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Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to Fly Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that can be both dead and pregnant and not pregnant, all at the same time.

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I'm Nathan.

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I pregnant.

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I'm not pregnant.

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I am or am not the wife you've been looking for for this season.

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Well, 3 months ago we attended the doctor's funeral, and a week ago, we were guests at his wedding.

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In the meantime, we've met Richard Nixon, some pirates, the doctor's wife, twice, belligerent goo people, a scary turf, Hitler, a time travelling, shape shifting robot operated by miniaturised cross people, dollies, malfunctioning medical technology twice, a sexy Minotaur, and James Corden.

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Can we make any sense of all of this?

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Let's find out in our series 6 retrospective.

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Sexy Minotaur James Corden.

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Yeah, that's an edit that's not gonna...

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Thanks, Nathan.

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Well, we always start with the hard-hitting questions here, so here we go.

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Snog, Mario, void.

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Peter.

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Peter, Elsie, Jen Gibbons.

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Well, you couldn't snog Elsie, because her hips would give way.

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Give us, you could just put him in the closet and he'd look scared.

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That would be fine.

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And who's the other one?

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Jen.

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Oh, that's not Rory, is it?

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I would avoid her at all costs as I would the gangers.

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Okay, thank you.

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Dry date, that one.

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Alrighty.

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So one of our listeners, the human palindrome at Mark Cochram.

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Ask this.

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Can you ever have too much of Alex Kingston?

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I'm going to say no.

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I have to say that there is something about the episodes that she's in, and it's not just her performance.

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It is also just the fact that the doctor has a friend who's a recurring character, a returning meme.

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Yeah, and who works really well with the other regular cast, I think.

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I think about the Angels 2 parter from last year.

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So much of that was about her relationship with a doctor and her relationship with Amy.

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And having her back over and over again for the arc episodes this year is just great, I think.

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That is such a good point.

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Would young Matt have hit his strides so well if it weren't for Alex Kingston in that opening story, really showing him tone.

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Because actors for actors, it's the feel of the piece.

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It's the feel in the space of the piece, is it not?

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You've both acted, so.

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Yeah, I mean, people play off one another and respond to one another.

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Yeah, and raising the tone to a sassy screwball 30s, Preston Sturgis comedy type thing, which, you know, Kingston is a fan of, and so is our lovely Stephen.

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I think you can have far too much of River song, but that which elevates whoever song is Alex Kingston.

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I think what you're saying about Time of Angels, just go back to last season is correct because she was there in Matt and Karen's very 1st scenes on the beach and I think they kind of imprinted on her and she was a really valuable presence.

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Rubbing the oil of performance. amelioration into each other.

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Come on.

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And I think every time she turns up this season, you kind of cheer at the screen.

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And so when she fires the gun and knocks the Stetson off the doctor's head.

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You just, you know it's going to be her before you see her and it's just amazing. you're looking forward to it The only time I think you can get maybe a little bit too much of River is in Let's Kill Hitler, which is an otherwise interesting episode, but I think it asks a little bit too much of her charisma in the same way as it does of Matt's.

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And so that's the only point where I find her presence a little bit wearing, but she's phenomenal.

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And the actors had to work.

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Real horrid in that one to get the charm factors up, didn't they?

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Because there was not a lot of charm happening.

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Yeah, there was a lot of quirk.

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A lot of interest.

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Yeah, but yeah, totally.

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Yes, I do agree on that point.

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I've been listening to you guys talk about those episodes, which I was not in, and it was very interesting listening to you, Nathan, in your points of view on Let's Kild, Hitler, and certainly Alex's performance in that as she performs as Mel's.

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And for me, it's always slightly off-putting.

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Like, it doesn't feel like River Song.

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And I struggle with the whole Mel's concept anyway.

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Again, you put forward a really good sort of defence about how we, well, a defence, a point of view.

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Like we drop into the Amy and Rory's storyline, and we only see bits and pieces, and it's okay not to know about mills, and you sort of did it as a parallel to Wilf.

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But I see it a bit differently because we have Donna for an episode, and then we have Wilfred episode, and then they're both in it together.

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And it's not like we have a whole season of Donna without Will being mentioned.

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Right.

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And so if they'd mentioned Mills in a piece of dialogue back in season 5 at some point, just something between Amy and Rory, I really would have paid it off.

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Whereas in this season, I feel that, to me, it comes across like I'm desperately trying to rescue the whole plot that I've set up to make it more palatable for people, you know, or some quirky tricks.

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So for me, it just doesn't pay off the same way.

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But you were also talking about in an episode about the test selector, which I didn't like the 1st time through.

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Because again, I just thought it was a get out of jail free card and we're just introducing it in this episode because we have to, would it be better to introduce it previously and seed that sort of thing.

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But I'm now completely, that's under 180 on that, because I think if you'd seeded at like the previous season, then people would have just said, oh, yeah, he's going to use that.

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Whereas Stephen putting it in that episode, like, yeah, it actually is a good thing.

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You know, I think, but it happens too much this season where it's sort of like, we need the gangers, so they're in that episode to explain what's happening to Amy and we need Mel's to explain that and we need the test selector.

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So it's just the same trick for me happening in the same episodes.

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But it was really good listening to your points of view.

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Well, you see, I think this is clearly the most complex and ambitious arc that the show ever attempts, and it never goes back again.

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And you can see Moffatt reacting against it next year with series 7 where it's a series of movies that have no sort of linked arc.

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And that's not quite true.

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There are character arcs in series 7, but nevertheless, he doesn't ever do this again.

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And having each episode somehow contribute to the arc, while not being an arc story, like the gangers, for instance, which we didn't think was very successful, but introduces an important concept, I think that's actually quite good.

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And I don't think the arc is as complex as everyone says.

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I think it is reasonably straightforward.

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Is that right?

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I think it's pretty straightforward, but you can see the parts moving with it.

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It doesn't mesh to the rest of the season all that well.

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So we keep returning to it, to reiterate it because it doesn't feel organic to the rest of the story.

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It's like it's been imposed on top of the season.

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And so you've got banner episodes which do deal with it.

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And on the episodes which don't.

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You keep having to jimmy it in with kind of scenes in the TARDIS where they'll talk about Amy's pregnancy or the fact that the doctor died and he doesn't know.

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So it just feels like it's a little bit of hard work, not much, but a little bit.

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Yeah.

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I think he kind of is anxious about the ark.

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And so that's where...

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It's really racist.

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Because, yeah, not me.

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It's like he keeps having these scenes which are just completely unnecessary.

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And I think I have a sort of shrieking fit earlier on this season on FDA where I complain that an episode begins with exactly the same scene that had ended the previous episode with Rory and Amy talking about the doctor being dead.

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And it's kind of like, come on, you know.

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Fireside chat by that stuff, isn't it?

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Yeah, we bet you can always do it previously on Doctor Who.

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Like, you don't have to give us this stuff over and over again.

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I think that's the break and accelerator feeling we have with this season.

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It's so contemporaneous.

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It felt so fresh at the time and it is.

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And the way it's filmed and the way it's performed.

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Everything about the production values is so now then.

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But the concepts are actually Hugo Gurn's back apart from the phantom pregnancy thing, which is maybe a bit more ray-brebery, but they're all 40s, 50s. tropes.

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They really are, all those things.

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The gangers, the robot monster man.

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These are pulp fiction, 30s, 40s, golden age ideas.

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There's nothing really bling in this.

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And maybe that actually helps because if they had been proper meta, current SF as you're getting in short stories and, you know, as you've been getting in SF writing now for 30 years, I don't think you'd keep the audience.

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Oh, we're up to flux.

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Well, I mean, the thing is that neither Moffatt nor Davies are really interested in science fiction.

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I don't think they're SFO, can't they?

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No, no, I don't think Moffat, Stephen Moffat is.

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ITD would probably dabble in the.

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It's now so esoteric and speculative.

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And it's been so gender fluid, actually, for at least 2 decades that really the only current SF that I've been getting in Doctor Who really since the 70s is the Jody season now.

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But that's getting ahead of ourselves, isn't it?

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way ahead.

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Yeah, but no, I think that maybe there's a certain comfort level in this.

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If they hadn't done the pregnancy thing, what do you think?

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If they hadn't done that, everyone would have felt a little, well, not just a little.

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It would have fitted better.

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It would have might have been a bit more Trad.

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If you're going to go way out there, be careful where you go.

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Yeah, I think I observe that when I heard Amy was pregnant when she tells the doctor in that. opening 2 parter.

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It's in the 1st episode, isn't it?

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That I thought that this is something a show would be unlikely to be able to actually deal with and guess what?

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You know?

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Do you think it's a failure or do you think it is just a misstep or...

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So remember that Moffat doesn't mind being cruel to his characters because they're fictional, right?

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So no person was harmed in the making of this episode.

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So he does terrible things to Bill.

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He does terrible things to Clara.

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He does terrible things to Amy.

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But...

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I just think the pregnancy thing was a lapse in taste.

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I think that's the problem.

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There's an ick factor to it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it's kind of...

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There is something about a heterosexual man watching their partner be pregnant, that sometimes people find alienating.

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You know, like your wife is going through this thing, but you're external too.

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And it's all kind of, it's like she's put in a tube and you know, it kind of experimented on.

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Like it's weird and I just think some of that stuff is leaking into the show.

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There's a kind of ickiness about pregnancy that's being expressed here, which I just think is unfortunate.

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Can you not use words like leaking and expressing?

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Yeah, there is there is a Nick factor.

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And I think it permeates the rest of the season as well because this season, well, I'm at pains to say it is still pretty good in a lot of places.

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It lacks the fun light touch that last year had.

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So it feels like some of the fun has been drained out of it.

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And that affects a whole lot of different things.

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It affects the storytelling.

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It affects the performances of the leads, I think, who are still giving immaculate performances, but just not quite as much of a light touch as they had last year.

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Yeah, I think that's right.

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I mean, last year's plot was all about Amy fleeing her wedding in order to have fun with her imaginary friend.

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And so there is sort of huge lightness about it and it's about childhood and all of that sort of thing.

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Now it becomes sort of miserably about adulthood in, you know, a sort of Buffy series 6 kind of way.

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And it just is sort of slightly unpleasant.

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And I do think that scene where Amy's baby collapses into a pile of sick.

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You know, maybe that seemed better on the page.

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But once, once you see Karen Gillen reacting to it in a way that, you know, a classic series actor would not have, I'm seeing Nicola Bryant setting fire to the studio.

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Yeah, well, yeah, no, I mean, Nicola Bryant, again, has the same problem, doesn't she, in case she's a Nasani?

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She's too good.

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And I think Karen is too good for that scene and so the distress is too real.

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And even though it's a sort of science fiction thing that could never happen.

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Her reaction brings such reality to it.

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It's too close to everything, you know, who's a couple or a single person who's had a miscarriage.

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It's just too damn close.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So that sort of leads to a question here from one of our listeners, Fluxa Gregory, champion of the damned, at Felix Fraser.

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As this to say, what 3 things, and it can be anything from behind the scenes to what was broadcast, would you change about this series?

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So it sounds like the whole pregnancy storyline is certainly one thing that we would consider.

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Yeah.

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Could you have kept the pregnancy though?

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You see, this is the sad thing is it's one of the current missing episodes and that I do remember seeing it a very long time ago, this story that we're talking about, but I actually have no real recollection of how it hangs together.

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And I just feel that feel that if we, you know, maybe we could do a reconstruction of it and sort of rewrite it.

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I told the Celestial Toymaker is a great story too.

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The massacre.

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Go back and say, yes.

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Well, I guess.

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No, pregnancy is not, you know, the giving of life or the most emotional experience you can possibly go through is not something that we should divert ourselves from, but we should tackle it with, as you said, with taste.

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But I think that's also the pressures of the time of the writing, you know, when you're under the hammer to get things out.

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You know, I think Stephen in the past when he's been in the Russell T era.

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He's had time to reflect and polish, and here it's sort of like, here's my 1st or 2nd draft.

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I can't take a state back because I've got to deal with other things, you know?

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And so he has the ability to still deliver really interesting dialogue and complex stories, but you don't have time to replace scripts or you don't, do you know what I'm saying?

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And we said last season as well, one of the problems that Stephen faces is that he doesn't have a Stephen.

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He doesn't have another reliable person who's delivering someone every season. to give him that sort of little break.

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That little respite.

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Well, we can look in the past.

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What would Terrence Dix have done?

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I mean, whether it be Liz Shaw or Romani, you just boot him out at the 1st time.

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I'm getting up there.

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Or a more victorious case, tosser to the seaweed.

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Or you'll hire Bob Baker and Dave Martin and all your problems are solved.

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Oh.

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No, couldn't hire him now.

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No, no.

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I like the idea that Amy is River Song's mother.

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And yeah, I like that.

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And I like her getting to take revenge on Madame Cavare in the finale.

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I think it's great scene.

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So good.

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Wedding of River Song is actually much better than people think it is.

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Much better than we remember, isn't it?

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Yeah, we were really positive about it.

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I haven't heard that podcast yet.

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Yeah, it's good.

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It's good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Interrupting you with another question from one of our listeners.

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Simon Hart says this.

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It's been a series of highs and lows, but which story do you think rise so high and which one feels so low?

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And I think the wedding of River song for me is the episode that actually rised so high.

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Yeah I agree too.

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I liked it more than I expected.

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I liked let's kill Hitler more than I expected. even though I think that there's some scenes that I don't enjoy watching. watching towards the end of it.

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Um, I think that Night Terrace has very little to recommend it, and I think Curse of the Black Spot is much worse than I remember, and it's because of those goddamn space corridors.

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It promises pirates and just gives us the most dingy, low effort space corridors imaginable.

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It's miserable.

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Your 1st attempt at interpretive theatre in the school gym.

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If only they'd shot it at the paper mill.

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Richard, do you highs and lows, which rise so high?

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I want to be original, but nah.

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Exactly what you said.

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My lowest still lets kill Hitler because I cannot escape that which Mr. Moffat should have considered.

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I don't know. come back to that.

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I agree with Nathan, but what would you have done with the pregnancy arc, Peter and Todd?

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What would you have written instead?

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Would you have had the baby at all?

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Well, I know you can't because your insides are all wrong, but what would you?

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Well, considering that the plot line is River Song is going to be her child, there is no escaping that, really, is there?

239
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Well, I mean, you could have her not pregnant and still discover that later on she gets pregnant and has, because it's also the abduction of the baby as well.

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That's right.

241
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The thing that I find uncomfortable is kind of the forced Bertha aspect of the whole thing.

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That's quite true.

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So maybe more in a girl who waited universe. could have had the child and perhaps there would have been something, they could have been a gentler way of doing it.

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I think that he does make attempts to fix it.

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And they work on a story kind of level on a fictional level.

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But if you're watching these imagining real people going through it, then it's absolutely unsatisfactory.

247
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The fact that, you know, she's a little girl dying of tuberculosis or something in New York at the end of episode two.

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Like it's miserable. terrible.

249
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And then she's got to get herself across to England many years later and I assume that she would have regenerated into an adult and then regenerated back into a small child so she could then live as Mel's.

250
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Yeah, that's right.

251
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She is a small child, isn't she?

252
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We do see flashback males in sort of like Matt Smith Capaldi in reverse.

253
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What about you, Peter?

254
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Like, are there any stories that you think?

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rows so high or anything that fell down for you?

256
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I think the god complex is clearly the best episode of the season, not because of what it's attempting, but just because it's a really good old-fashioned, traditional, excellent story, which is really well made, and we're a bit short on those this season.

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What I would change, and going back to our previous reader's question as well, about 3 things you change about the season, all 3 of mine would be the gangers two-parter.

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It's just this big mushy ganga's shaped hole in the middle of season.

259
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Did we ever find out if they have those, by the way?

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I'm crossing my legs.

261
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We got to cover that, didn't we, Peters?

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We've been in that.

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In that congee.

264
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Yeah, that narrative congee, yes.

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It didn't work.

266
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There's a lot of failures in this season for a lot of to equal the high points, yeah.

267
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It's that thing where people say, oh, I don't like the arc episodes, but I do like the individual episodes. you kind of go, well, what have you got?

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You know, girl who waited and God complex.

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The other individual.

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Oh, doctor's wife. his wife.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But the others are not that great, I think.

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Yeah, I kind of think last year, those episodes were like above the seven, for me, whereas this year they're falling below that, right?

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And so it's just a dip.

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And I don't like the gang of stuff I would change that.

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I think that Metsk Hitler has Matt's worst performances.

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Yes, yep.

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Where he has so much being asked of him.

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But that whole dying sequence with the cane and all of that on the floor, it just doesn't work for me.

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It just, that is the Nadir of his performance to the doctor.

282
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And I think he's absolutely brilliant.

283
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And that on top of my dislike of the whole Mel storyline.

284
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But I do like all the Tesla Electa stuff and that sort of thing.

285
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It just doesn't work for me.

286
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The gangers doesn't work for me.

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Although I like a lot of good man goes towards ruined by stuff at the end.

288
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And then we head into night terrors, which I just, like I just wanted to turn it off.

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Poor night terror.

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But for me, the story that really did come up, in my opinion, was the wedding of the song.

291
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And that sort of rescued a lot of the whole arc and I understand that really surprising, you know?

292
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He's so clever he does pull it together.

293
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Yeah, yeah.

294
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And it's great too, because we're used to the big dumb explosive finale and this one deals with the arc as a kind of throwaway gag at the end of the episode.

295
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It's really, there's a lightness of touch to it because we've already had the doctor dying in episode one and it's all overwrought and you've got, you know, again, Karen's reaction to it, really selling it.

296
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And so to have it a joke at the end, like, it's fun.

297
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Yeah.

298
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And it feels like the 1st fun that Stevens had this season.

299
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I said last season that I would be interested to see Stephen Moffatt fail, and that's not because I wanted him to produce a bad episode, but I thought, he's been so consistently brilliant up until this point, that I wanted to see an episode where he doesn't quite make it work and how interesting that would be.

300
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And all of his episodes this season include the opening 2 parter in this, but certainly a good man goes to war and lets kill Hitler.

301
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He doesn't quite make it work even though all of the episodes are packed with interest and cleverness.

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And yet by the wedding of River song.

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I think he has made it work. has that lightness of touchback.

304
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I was going to ask you, Peter, like, about Stephen Moffatt failures because that was something on my list.

305
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Like, you know, how do you feel about his failures this season?

306
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I mean, you'd rather watch a Stephen Moth at failure over Curse of the Black Spot any day.

307
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Oh, yeah.

308
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Yeah, at all.

309
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's just, it's, it's the inverse of last season where last season you looked forward to every arc episode because you knew that Stephen Moffatt was going to be writing it, and it was invariably going to be great.

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Whereas this season, as we said, some of the single episodes are the best episodes.

312
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And so it feels a little bit topsy-turvy.

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I find that I like the girl who waited a lot more than I expected, and it was a little bit like Amy's choice last year where I just sort of thought it's sort of very high concept and very Star Trek and stuff like that, and I wasn't sort of super into it, but I do think that the girl who waited is so lifted by Nick Curran, that it is one of the best episodes of the series.

314
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It's one of the very few Doctor Who episodes where you can tangibly see the input of the director and how he was raised to the material, which is already good.

315
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Well, I think the god complex is the same.

316
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Yep.

317
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Yeah.

318
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I like girl who waited this time around because we get to see how good Karen is.

319
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Yeah.

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And I've forgotten that 1st time around.

321
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I was conflating, you know, the narrative with the actor, but now I can see, she she really convinced me.

322
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Yeah.

323
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Well, Richard, like we're on the same wavelength because I've said it a 1000 times now.

324
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Like, I really didn't like Karen the 1st time through, and looking at things now, it's more a case of the character of Amy at times rather than actually Karen, whose performances, I think, really do elevate stuff, and I really like her so much more.

325
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In so many episodes, this season and the Madame Kavarian scene is just like the pinnacle of all of those things.

326
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But I'm not going to discount, like, I think Arthur Darvel is the unsung hero of so many things.

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He's just there all the time and I think his performances are spot on and I really, really adore him.

328
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So I'm just going to talk about the 3 who, you know, and of course, man is stunning and this team are really, really strong.

329
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And it's a shame in a, I was going to say, it's a shame in a way, but it's sort of like Stephen doesn't want to let them go.

330
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No.

331
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And I think narratively, the whole exit of Amy and Rory towards the end of the season, and then the doctor revisiting them in closing time and then seeing them in the Christmas special as we leave a place for you, and the fact that, you know, they know that he's alive because River has told her parents.

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To me, it's sort of like it could be a nice place to leave them as a positive, like, you know, that our friend, the doctor's still out there and he will still visit us, but we will move on with our lives.

333
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We can let go of my imaginary friends.

334
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But we have to come back next year and we have to have a different ending and it has to not be good or happy or happy families.

335
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Do you know what I mean?

336
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You've already touched on the fact what will happen to other companions.

337
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It's like Stephen can give his companions no joy.

338
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Nobody and maybe Russell set it up a bit too, is that, you know, you travel with a doctor and it's all going to end not in a happy place.

339
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And it's sort of like I would really like that to happen, you know?

340
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I really do like the fact that the doctor lets Amy and Rory go to an extent and we see them again in closing time.

341
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I really do like that.

342
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And if that was all we saw of them in the end, like in the Christmas special, then I would be really, really happy with their arc.

343
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And that scene at the end of the God complex is fantastic.

344
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It's really really good.

345
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Yeah, yeah.

346
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Yeah, it's a great companion departure.

347
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I think that Russell does have the idea that the companion should be better off having travelled with a doctor.

348
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Rose's family gets fixed and they're wealthy and her dad is back.

349
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Martha has been through something, but she's a strong person and is deciding to leave on her own terms to look after her family.

350
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And I guess we feel bad because Donna's sort of robbed of that.

351
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But we still see that she's marrying someone nice who, and they're going to win the lottery and all of that sort of thing.

352
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So they're kind of going to be better off.

353
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That's very true.

354
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There is positives in Russell's.

355
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There are some negatives as well getting to that point.

356
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Yeah, yeah.

357
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Moffatt doesn't do that.

358
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You know, like 2 of the companions become a doctor or are dead and become the doctor.

359
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And then Amy and Rory are trapped somewhere miserable with no Wi-Fi for the rest of their lives.

360
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I just think it's terrible.

361
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Rose says it, doesn't she?

362
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in Parting of the Way.

363
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She says the doctor shows you a better way of living your life.

364
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Yeah.

365
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And yeah, no one can make that claim for Amy and Rory or Clara, you know.

366
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Closing time. is another one that I was a bit down on previously, and I actually like it as a nice little light story at the end of the season.

367
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I don't think it's as good as episode last year.

368
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It needed a Leela, didn't it?

369
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It would have been over in 7 minutes.

370
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No, we do get the cyber mats.

371
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Yeah, good.

372
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Love the cyber thingies.

373
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Do you know what I really would have liked in that episode?

374
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I would have liked to see Cole where James Corden, even though I think he's very good in the lodger, leaves at the start and the doctor has the episode with Daisy Haggard.

375
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Daisy Haggard and Stormageddon.

376
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Absolutely, with Stormageddon.

377
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It does get a bit boys club.

378
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I can see why because we're showing a Gormous boy who is, you know, has never really managed his life.

379
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He's got a lot of confidence issues and therefore he's the fanboy of many who's watching it.

380
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I'm not going to use the word I always use.

381
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But 2 men and a baby, isn't it?

382
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Exactly.

383
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That kind of thing.

384
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And I think with, but yeah, I'd rather, I'd rather have Daisy.

385
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Stephen could have written a sequel.

386
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How about 2 men and a goo baby with the doctor and Rory and the goo baby and the TARDIS?

387
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That would be amazing.

388
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Oh, no, it's splattered on the floor.

389
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Amy.

390
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I think that was written from Stephen having to deal with the children's. being vomited on.

391
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That milky flow.

392
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Well, qua...

393
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Baby spew.

394
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Yes.

395
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.180
So speaking of which, snog marry, avoid.

396
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The silence, the gangers, the test selector.

397
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Wow, I think you marry the Tesla Ector, because...

398
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Ouch, though.

399
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It's still got hard edges.

400
00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:27.900
Well, I don't know, you know, like one day he's Tom Hardy, you know, one day he's Nantor from what we do in the shadows.

401
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I can see it.

402
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.380
One day he's Agrorian from Blake 7.

403
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:35.339
Absolutely.

404
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Oh, wait.

405
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Am I snogging or marrying him?

406
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I'm marrying him and then repeatedly snogging him.

407
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I would snog the silence because however horrific it is, I wouldn't remember it when I turned away.

408
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We've all been to...

409
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We've all...

410
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We've all been to conventions in a year.

411
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That's right That's right.

412
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That's what alcohol's for.

413
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And what's the other one?

414
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The gangers. the gangers because they're in a terrible two-part story.

415
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I think I'd have to marry the silence because that would be amazing.

416
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You come home after a busy day and not have to say anything.

417
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Blessed silent.

418
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DJ Alpha T, scarfunk, soul beats.

419
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Ask this.

420
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Do you think there was anything left unresolved?

421
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I always thought the silence tunnels under the earth were a dangling plot point?

422
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And what's the revelation as to what the silence are in the day of the doctor or misstep?

423
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We won't talk about that last bit till we get there.

424
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But at this point, were there any points left unsold, and of course, the tunnels under the earth was a dangling plot point?

425
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.480
Well, you know the tractators could have used them.

426
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:45.900
Exactly.

427
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:48.660
Leaves us open for another tractor invasion.

428
00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:50.940
Another visit to Kolkakron.

429
00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:52.920
My favourite planet.

430
00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:58.980
Maybe Madame Cavarian, because, like, although she's killed in the, well, left to die in the alternative timeline.

431
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.180
We never do see her again.

432
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:00.660
Do we?

433
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.200
No, but I think she's dead because we saw her dead on telly.

434
00:33:04.259 --> 00:33:09.960
You know, Stephen brings characters back when they're dead because he doesn't care because he knows it's all made up.

435
00:33:10.019 --> 00:33:15.420
But I think having seen her die and kind of plead for mercy and stuff is so great.

436
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:21.059
I'm just saying that happened, even if the alternate timeline gets erased or whatever, she's totally dead.

437
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:25.920
I think that the silence, and I think we said it at the time.

438
00:33:25.980 --> 00:33:45.359
It is that thing where suddenly the silence have been with us, because, did I say it's like Scaroth's day off or the Fendal's day off, you know, you know, influencing human history and evolution, and there's no way to square that with anything else that's ever happened in Doctor Who.

439
00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:47.400
But I kind of don't care.

440
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.259
So, yes, there's tunnels under the earth and we're all repeatedly.

441
00:33:52.319 --> 00:34:02.940
This is the thing that we keep running across silence in our everyday lives and we kill them and then we forget about it and we've all done it.

442
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:03.960
Todds killed bunches of them.

443
00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:08.639
Oh, yes, you know how I like the odd genocide.

444
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:19.019
I do like that idea, though, that it points in human history, Theo Ransom and the silence are facing off over who's going to influence WAP bit.

445
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.000
That's right and scare us.

446
00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:22.800
They going, I invented the wheel.

447
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:23.760
I invented the wheel.

448
00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:34.860
I still want to know how the Botswain got taken to that horrible space corridor ship with the AI.

449
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:36.900
That's my plot point.

450
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:47.519
Yeah, well, that's the scene where Lee Ross gets just edited out by mistake and disappears and it is a massive flaw in that episode.

451
00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:54.539
Like it's a kind of act of incompetence that I think we're fairly seen in the new series. up to this point Yeah.

452
00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:00.840
It's something about the grammar of television that just doesn't, doesn't happen and yet does in that episode.

453
00:35:00.900 --> 00:35:07.440
And so it leaves you feeling a little bit uneasy about kind of the decisions that are being made and how much focus is being put on things.

454
00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:12.300
All right, Blaine Coglan asks this.

455
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:22.559
Given that the climax of a good man goes to war is more revelation than actual cliffhanger, would the almost people have provided a more shocking midseason finale?

456
00:35:22.619 --> 00:35:27.840
I don't think you can go to a mid-season break with Amy collapsing into goo.

457
00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:29.099
It's just too traumatic.

458
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.460
And that cliffhanger is horrible because then she wakes up in the tube.

459
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:37.139
I just don't want to have that unresolved for 6 weeks, I think.

460
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.280
It would have been more shocking.

461
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:48.659
I'm a big fan of the cliffhanger that's a revelation or, you know, what are we going to do next rather than just sort of straightforward peril, I think.

462
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:50.519
And so I like that.

463
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:56.280
You know, the doctor is searching for melody during the mid-season break.

464
00:35:56.340 --> 00:36:07.679
You know, the doctor goes off with a mission and then we check in on his mission and it's been months since we've watched the show and we imagine the doctor on that quest during that time.

465
00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:12.360
See, that's interesting because like, I wanted to see that quest.

466
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.000
That's the things I want to see.

467
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:21.420
When we have time junks where we're suddenly at a point further along the track, it all just seems so simple.

468
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:28.739
And certainly with the cybermen, just been relegated to a scene, right?

469
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:35.760
And getting to that point would have been quite difficult, but it makes it just seem so easy to defeat them, you know, with big explosions and everything like that.

470
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:51.000
So part of my dislike of that whole plot thing is that I would have liked to have seen peril and deadly danger for the doctor and Rory as a team to find out where his companion and his wife are, you know.

471
00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:53.460
And I think that would have paid off for me so much more.

472
00:36:53.639 --> 00:37:04.260
But that's obvious, you know, that's not the narrative that modern television necessarily or Stephen wants to go in, but for me, that's one of the changes that I would have liked, you know?

473
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:22.800
And yes, Amy may not have been around, but even if we'd had a two-parter and and, you know, something to do with, say, Vastra, Strax and Jenny and seeing an introduction to have actually met the doctor and that sort of thing rather than, I mean, it's great that they've been introduced and their characters like Stephen likes introducing these characters.

474
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:31.380
Oh, yes, with potential, and we're going to see them again, and they might play things of Stephen for a little while, you know, but that's what I would have liked to have seen.

475
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:32.639
Yeah.

476
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:38.099
That would have been a more traditional arc if we'd seen that kind of quest storyline.

477
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:40.679
And Stephen's not interested in telling that this season, is he?

478
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:41.400
No.

479
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:48.300
And I think, too, that he is happy to just let us infer backstory.

480
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:57.179
I mean, there is a there's a kind of, is there an introduction to her somewhere buried on a DVD box set or something.

481
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:59.760
Anyway, I think there is some kind of backstory somewhere.

482
00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:02.699
But it's not what he's interested in.

483
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:06.420
The characters are here, you know, whatever, I think.

484
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.920
And I think that's okay.

485
00:38:07.980 --> 00:38:19.860
It's just that we want we want to be able to write our TARDIS WIKEA entry for them and he deliberately frustrates us at every point.

486
00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:20.400
I think.

487
00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:25.559
It's like the character of Lorna Bucket and a good man goes to war, isn't it?

488
00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:26.159
Exactly.

489
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:27.000
Yeah.

490
00:38:27.059 --> 00:38:39.719
She's kind of like she's there and she has backstory with him and she's actually not a very well developed character and so she's part of a disappointment of that episode because her death is built up to mean something and doesn't actually mean something.

491
00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:47.940
So maybe that's the story of this season where things are built up to mean something and don't quite hit, Lorna with an ill.

492
00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:53.219
Speaking of which, snog marry avoid.

493
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:59.219
Lorna Bucket, Val, or Joy.

494
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:08.460
Kind of like the idea of just getting them all together for a very exciting stock take after the doors after the shop's all closed.

495
00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:16.320
And Linda would have, you know, Linda would say, oh, I've just got some little tea cakes and just brings out this huge 2 litre bottle of duty-free gin.

496
00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:24.539
And then enjoy and joy would always clean up after herself always, even if she's made her own mess by scattering her body parts all over the room.

497
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.079
She would still be kind enough and thoughtful enough.

498
00:39:28.139 --> 00:39:30.300
And then the other one was was...

499
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:31.619
I have no memory of these women.

500
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:32.340
Are you sure?

501
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.260
These are the missing episodes.

502
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.980
Yeah, no, I think we could have a lot of cheeky fun and there'd be cybermats.

503
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:39.119
So you know, there'd be a chase.

504
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.219
There'd be fun.

505
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:42.480
It'd be like, you know, like a paper.

506
00:39:42.539 --> 00:39:44.820
No, I think I think we could all have a lot of fun in the room together.

507
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.920
Look, their hips would give way.

508
00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:49.679
You couldn't even get near to them to snog them let alone.

509
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:58.860
What do you think of Steven's treatment of gay characters this season in terms of having Canton?

510
00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:01.500
and then we've got the thin...

511
00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:02.940
The thin one in the fact?

512
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:05.340
It's all treated as a big fat boy.

513
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:05.820
Sorry, Peter.

514
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.679
Is it the big, fat, boring gaze?

515
00:40:08.099 --> 00:40:10.500
We're right here, are we?

516
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.780
feeling really attacked right now.

517
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.199
I don't like how he throws in in us.

518
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:19.739
Oh, look, we're throwing in a surprise and look how shocking and surprising this is.

519
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:35.880
I really, no, totally, or at least in the way it's structured in the story, using it as the startling revelation, it may not be that greater way to introduce a queer character and he does it, not just the wants, could forgive it if it was maybe just the ones.

520
00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:36.780
Oh, look, they're gay.

521
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:48.599
Yeah, and the point is, I actually don't mind the revelation that Canton is gay because we like him and we've seen him work with the doctor and he's funny and stuff.

522
00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:51.119
So we're disposed to like him and then we discover he's gay.

523
00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:56.579
And then we get Richard Nixon pulling the comedy face as well, which I just think is really hilarious.

524
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:58.260
That actor is superb.

525
00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:00.300
He is superb.

526
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:07.139
So I kind of like that because it also just kind of shows how unpleasant Nixon is as well.

527
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.579
Like it challenges Nixon.

528
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.079
What actually gets really accurate.

529
00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:10.800
We talked about this.

530
00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:16.260
It's actually really accurate to what we now know Nixon was like as a human being.

531
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:31.199
And if he wasn't, I don't want to use medical terms, but he was so dissociated from human involvement and understanding of human relations and emotions that he actually said to, this was before Watergate.

532
00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:36.179
He, you know, he said to one of the cameramen, did you enjoy a consummation this weekend?

533
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:39.360
of your relationship.

534
00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:41.760
It was actually used a word even more vulgar than that.

535
00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:42.960
But it was very clinical.

536
00:41:43.019 --> 00:41:50.219
And he really didn't understand the connection between, it was, it was, it was all very meta for our Mr. Nixon.

537
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:56.219
Well, he had been driven mad by the constant presence of the silence. and I kind of like that.

538
00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:03.179
They kind of rareify his paranoia and the constant phone calls at all hours from little girls.

539
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:11.519
And then the other one is the fat one and the thin one and the fat one gets killed and awesome.

540
00:42:11.579 --> 00:42:12.539
Are we doing Bondfinger?

541
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.900
Diamonds are forever.

542
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:17.460
Yes, that's right.

543
00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:34.619
And I just think, again, he has no idea about the church at all, and, you know, doesn't realise the Anglican church is populated by fat and thin gay people who are married to one another, and it's not absolutely that unusual.

544
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:36.179
So I don't know.

545
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:37.739
He's not very good at it.

546
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:38.400
He's trying.

547
00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:40.920
There were no queer people in series 5 at all.

548
00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:44.579
So he has at least nodded in our direction.

549
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.159
And we didn't mention Jenny and Vastra as well.

550
00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:47.760
Yeah.

551
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:59.760
I also like the constant mistaking of the doctor and Craig as a gay couple because it's done with charm. with warmth and it's sort of seen through Al's eyes.

552
00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:01.199
It's being something that's really nice.

553
00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:02.039
So I like that.

554
00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:03.900
Yeah, I think that one did work.

555
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:05.460
He got it right by the end, yeah.

556
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.860
Also two, those last 2 episodes.

557
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.780
There is that joy coming back.

558
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:19.739
Like there's a weight getting lifted after all of this, which is great at the end of the season, which is again going back to why I think I really do like that little run at the end.

559
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:21.000
The joy is coming back.

560
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:22.980
I must have missed Joy coming back.

561
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.099
She unexploded in the corner of the toilet.

562
00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:39.539
All right, snog marrying avoid.

563
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.960
Captain Avery, Idris, house.

564
00:43:43.019 --> 00:43:45.480
Idris is too bitey, no snogging.

565
00:43:45.539 --> 00:43:46.739
Ah, no.

566
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.019
It's like snogging only someone wins.

567
00:43:49.739 --> 00:43:52.559
Well, obviously, Captain Avery.

568
00:43:52.619 --> 00:43:53.519
Yeah, it's a no.

569
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:55.199
No, he's really hot.

570
00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:59.460
He seems to floss too, which is comfort in those times.

571
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:04.199
He has very good tea for the 17th century or whatever we are, the 16th century.

572
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:05.280
Does come with baggage, though.

573
00:44:05.340 --> 00:44:07.260
But he loses it very quickly.

574
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:19.199
He doesn't seem to be able to hold on to any family members for very, very length of time. making on for Downton Abbey now. his own personal life, which we're not going to go into.

575
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:20.579
And what about house?

576
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:22.019
Michael Sheen?

577
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.579
He's lovely.

578
00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:25.800
And sinister, but...

579
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.320
You can do a Kenneth Williams. you won't be bored.

580
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:29.760
No, I could marry him.

581
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.960
I don't think he'd last long.

582
00:44:34.019 --> 00:44:36.360
Not in your current form anyway.

583
00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:37.559
No, well, there's that.

584
00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:42.300
Yeah, and avoid interest because of the biting.

585
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.900
I wonder how we'd go if these questions were about the writers.

586
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.360
It's not that.

587
00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:49.920
No we won't go there.

588
00:44:52.980 --> 00:44:54.420
But I do want to ask this question.

589
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.780
What do you think of the oldest question hidden in plain sight?

590
00:44:57.900 --> 00:44:59.760
Well, Revelation.

591
00:44:59.820 --> 00:45:01.199
Old since 1963.

592
00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:04.019
Yeah, it's in the opening credits of the 1st episode.

593
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:05.099
It's the 1st question.

594
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.920
That's what it means, hidden in plain sight. right there.

595
00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:10.619
Well, fortunately, Chibers has solved it all.

596
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:11.940
Yeah, he's going to answer it.

597
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.500
Okay, how did you feel about that?

598
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:20.219
That's a good question.

599
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:26.579
How did you feel about that as the season finale as the last and that lovely shot of Matt with the TARDIS behind him?

600
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:28.199
I was so excited.

601
00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:30.539
Like I actually felt an adrenaline rush.

602
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:35.340
It's sort of like we're going back to how it all began where the doctor's not known.

603
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:41.340
It's all going to be fresh and new and I just really love the referencing of that, you know?

604
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:49.860
If only we knew that Stephen didn't police punches because he keeps trying to reset the series to this and then fails when he comes up with his next brilliant idea.

605
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:50.820
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:45:50.880 --> 00:46:04.500
And like, I think that the acknowledgement that the doctor is famous is reasonable given that he's actually famous in the real world and the idea that he's a terrible threat.

607
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:09.780
Again, you know, there's been 100s of stories where he's blown people up and all of that kind of thing.

608
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:17.280
And so making that part of the narrative behaving as if that's actually really happened, you know, kind of interrogating the premise.

609
00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:22.500
The entire population of divsham is still experiencing afterglow, aren't they?

610
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.679
That's right And so, you know, like, I think it's unavoidable.

611
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:38.820
And the classic series, I think, does the doctor is famous every so often, but doesn't do the sort of he's a deadly threat to everyone in the entire universe.

612
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.980
Although Tom in his last season or two.

613
00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:41.880
Yeah.

614
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:42.599
Yeah.

615
00:46:42.659 --> 00:46:47.280
I have to take him to a whole other universe where no one knows who he is.

616
00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:50.940
Yeah, by the time the doctor is literally saving the universe.

617
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:52.079
He's got to have some level of fame.

618
00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:52.679
Yeah.

619
00:46:52.980 --> 00:47:02.820
In a season of many different guest stars, is there anybody that stands out for you in terms of performance or character?

620
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:14.699
I mean, there's, I mean, there's so many from Hugh Bonneville, to Saran Jones, I think Amarakara, who plays Rita, as a potential companion, I think, is very good.

621
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:18.300
Oh, I think she's easily the best guest actor in the entire thing.

622
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.659
I think she's absolutely extraordinary.

623
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.940
So good, so incredibly good.

624
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.880
She brings that character to absolute life.

625
00:47:26.940 --> 00:47:40.380
And also, I think Dmitri Leonidas, who plays Howie, is another, maybe slightly lesser example, because America is fantastic, but he also does sterling work with bringing that character to life in the gold complex.

626
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:49.920
It's a reason why I really like that episode because it has a number of really well-drawn, interesting characters played well, and you can't say that for every episode this season.

627
00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:55.980
David Williams, as Gibbess, I think, does a really good job of that character.

628
00:47:56.039 --> 00:48:02.340
Like, I mean, asking somebody to play under all that makeup too, you know, as a guest artist.

629
00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:04.619
I think it's really good that he did that, you know?

630
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.260
I think a lot of people would have turned it down based on that fact.

631
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.860
I don't think David Williams would have turned a role in Doctor Who down.

632
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:12.659
I think he's a big giant nerd.

633
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.119
And then, obviously, Matt Lucas gets to out doing it.

634
00:48:15.179 --> 00:48:15.539
That's right.

635
00:48:15.539 --> 00:48:20.340
I think part of Russell's upcoming master plan will be a Gibbonson nod all spinoff.

636
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:21.960
Maybe.

637
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:27.780
Rita needed to credibly be a possible companion for the episode to work.

638
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:29.280
The episode is kind of about that.

639
00:48:29.340 --> 00:48:32.039
It's a companion harvester, isn't it?

640
00:48:32.099 --> 00:48:34.139
Yeah, yeah, she's so good.

641
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:35.340
Holy crap.

642
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.019
She's unbelievably great.

643
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.780
Some of us were disappointed he didn't take them in a tour.

644
00:48:40.019 --> 00:48:41.400
Yes.

645
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:45.360
Some of us have been disappointed with that since the time monster.

646
00:48:46.980 --> 00:48:49.199
Or what, you, me?

647
00:48:50.699 --> 00:48:54.119
I didn't get to do the voice in that one neither.

648
00:48:54.179 --> 00:48:56.760
My new companion, Dave Prowse.

649
00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:59.880
So I don't know where they're using my voice for Darth Vader.

650
00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:12.480
All right, we've got a couple of, um, award nominations.

651
00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:14.099
And so we always do.

652
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:18.360
Do we have any Jenny Laird Award nominations this year?

653
00:49:19.619 --> 00:49:28.199
Yeah, mine goes to Stephen Moffatt, and it is for thinking that the pregnancy thing would work in Doctor Who.

654
00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:31.440
Yeah, we're all thinking the same thing.

655
00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:32.639
That's the major.

656
00:49:32.699 --> 00:49:33.840
That's the summit.

657
00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:36.000
That's the thing everyone's looking at thing.

658
00:49:36.059 --> 00:49:37.199
It's frosty up there, isn't it?

659
00:49:37.260 --> 00:49:38.340
Don't want to go up there, no.

660
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.980
It's littered and scattered with things you don't want to encounter.

661
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:42.599
Yeah, no, I agree.

662
00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:46.559
And then there's some poor creative choices of just the unevenness of a script.

663
00:49:46.619 --> 00:49:53.639
I think the reason, though, that stories like Knight Terrors and one of the other ones we didn't like so much just keeps coming back to me as an Nigeria.

664
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.099
Cursing the congees.

665
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:56.400
Yeah.

666
00:49:56.460 --> 00:49:59.280
It's simply that in a traditional season.

667
00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:02.159
So if you put this in season 15, they'd probably stood out.

668
00:50:02.219 --> 00:50:11.579
It's just that we're getting such highs and lows and that the expectations and production values and all the rest of it and the rapidity and wit in the scripts.

669
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.599
There's a lot more density dramatically now.

670
00:50:15.659 --> 00:50:18.719
And I think you've hit the nail on the head, the expectation.

671
00:50:18.780 --> 00:50:22.139
We had series 4, which really incredible.

672
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:31.380
And then we had series five, which, again, and so you just keep expecting that every year you're going to hit the mark and that doesn't happen. that's not reality.

673
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:35.460
You just can't keep that sustainability at that level all the time.

674
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:39.480
And if we don't meet those expectations, then you kind of are down on something.

675
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:45.900
Like I've said for quite a long time that this is probably my least light Stephen Moffat series. agree.

676
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.340
I don't know whether that's going to be the case.

677
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:53.639
I see so many more positives, but there are certain minefields to get through in season.

678
00:50:53.699 --> 00:50:57.960
And as we said earlier, there are some really great bits as well.

679
00:50:58.019 --> 00:51:04.139
Like doctor's wife, girl who waited, the god complex, but the good bits don't come where you expect that they will.

680
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:05.039
Yes.

681
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.380
Yeah, we're not meeting those expectations.

682
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:09.960
Any other nominations?

683
00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:22.079
I would nominate the whole of the gangers, just because already it's quite a problematic bland script, not really dealing well with the issues which it's trying to deal with, and then overlaid on that.

684
00:51:22.139 --> 00:51:27.000
I think the direction misses, and then on top of that, they drain the colour out of it also, it's difficult to watch.

685
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:32.280
So it's just a whole big mess of bad Jenny Ladd choices.

686
00:51:32.340 --> 00:51:44.340
In fact, maybe Jenny Laird award can go to the terrible lighting in the 1st half of the series. from Impossible Astronaut all the way through to the end of the Kangers 2 parter.

687
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.920
It's turned the goddamn lights on someone.

688
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:52.260
It might actually be post because I'm thinking back to film at the time too.

689
00:51:52.260 --> 00:52:04.500
When I did animation, which is now 20 years ago, the folk that ended up doing the best out of that and are still getting paid the highest are the folk that do the digital grading, the compositors at the end of it.

690
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:10.199
And the fashion at the time, you think about films around this time, 10, 11 years ago, everything was freaking drained.

691
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:10.800
Yeah.

692
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.860
And almost sepia. was so fashionable and chic.

693
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:16.199
And it's annoying.

694
00:52:16.260 --> 00:52:16.679
I agree.

695
00:52:16.739 --> 00:52:18.000
It's annoying.

696
00:52:18.059 --> 00:52:25.199
But it's interesting you're talking about the gangers episodes, which I haven't really commented on and now feel the need to.

697
00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:27.480
I really dislike Jen as a character.

698
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:33.360
And I really, I really dislike the CGI when she becomes a monster. builds for me.

699
00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:41.280
But, Nathan, you did talk about Cleave's journey, and it's something that has made me sort of reevaluate that aspect of the story.

700
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:57.360
There is a glimmer in there because in my notes, looking back on it, it was something that I did comment about, like too, not as articulated as what you did in the episode, but it's something that I did notice there was more to that, where I just sort of tarnished the whole thing with that one horrible brush.

701
00:52:57.420 --> 00:52:57.960
Yeah.

702
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:12.599
But nothing can save those 2 episodes for me, the whole baby goo thing, the whole melts into river and the appalling performance sequence with Matt Smith in that episode.

703
00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:16.380
Like those things are just front and century in my mind.

704
00:53:16.380 --> 00:53:20.880
But I've got to take myself out of that because there is so much to really like in this season.

705
00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:25.920
That said, though, you can always find things that you'll enjoy even in the bits that you don't.

706
00:53:25.980 --> 00:53:35.940
So when Matt comes out of the TARDIS to do that prolonged dying scene, which is asking far too much of any actor, he is dressed as Marlena Dietrich.

707
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:42.239
And of course, if you're going to come out of Latardis and do your big turn in pre-war Germany, that's what you're going to look like.

708
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:44.760
He's not doing Fred Astaire.

709
00:53:44.820 --> 00:53:46.679
Von Sternberg's Blue Angel.

710
00:53:46.739 --> 00:53:47.219
You're right.

711
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:48.360
He is okay.

712
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:51.300
He's the boys in the back room, they'll have.

713
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.639
You'd appreciate that, Richard.

714
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.699
I've got a trick hip.

715
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:57.360
Yes.

716
00:53:57.420 --> 00:53:58.619
Yeah.

717
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:02.519
There's a lot that needs rescuing in this season.

718
00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:03.480
Ooh.

719
00:54:03.539 --> 00:54:06.719
But on the flip side is the Bonnie Langford.

720
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.360
Startling discovery, is there?

721
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:10.679
Nick Horan.

722
00:54:10.739 --> 00:54:12.719
Sorry, I've stolen everyone else's.

723
00:54:12.900 --> 00:54:14.940
I think absolutely.

724
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:29.760
And you remember my reaction to the leisure hive, which is a story that is experimental visually and just so much better and more interesting than what's come before.

725
00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:32.760
I think Nick Curran does that with a god complex.

726
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:36.059
Yes, I think that's a really good nomination.

727
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:51.300
Mine is for Karen Gillan's hair. because she has wonderful hair throughout this entire season and I think that then affects the subtlety in her performance as well.

728
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:52.559
I think it just adds to that.

729
00:54:52.739 --> 00:54:54.539
It's like a hair.

730
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:56.400
Like I mean, it's all about the hair for me.

731
00:54:56.460 --> 00:54:58.199
Like if you talk about Sarah Jane Smith.

732
00:54:58.260 --> 00:55:02.760
I think Sarah Jane's hair in season 13 is the perfect length, right?

733
00:55:02.820 --> 00:55:10.800
And so Sarah goes through different phases from short, medium long and extra long right at the end, but she has this golden patch.

734
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:15.840
And so for me, with Karen's hair, it's sort of like, this is the revelation about how good she is.

735
00:55:15.900 --> 00:55:17.579
You also like Dodo's hair.

736
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:20.760
Just stop it.

737
00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:22.380
Just stop it.

738
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.260
This is why I've been pointing to it.

739
00:55:25.260 --> 00:55:26.340
The entire year.

740
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:33.900
It has to be said that Karen does have magical hair because even when she's aged 36 years, It still has that beautiful organ tune to it.

741
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:39.420
Well, they doll the red down, which as we know happens in real life for most of us as well.

742
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:40.260
Yes.

743
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:43.559
I was a lovely, almost virtual titian.

744
00:55:43.619 --> 00:55:46.079
I was never that light, but yeah, no, yeah.

745
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:51.900
Life, like cinematography tends to drain the colour out of us the longer the season we go.

746
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:53.340
Like the gangers.

747
00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:54.119
The gangers.

748
00:55:54.179 --> 00:55:54.900
Yes.

749
00:55:55.139 --> 00:56:12.179
It's a good point if we just come back to that, because actors do give a stronger or more cohesive performance if they feel confident in the role, and as P.G. Woodhouse, and Bo Brum will both say, if you put a good suit on them, put a good boiler on them, you're going to get a better show.

750
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:13.860
Clothes maketh man.

751
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:15.480
Yeah, I think there might be something too that.

752
00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:18.119
So finally, looking to the future.

753
00:56:18.179 --> 00:56:23.159
I always ask, where does series 7A slash 7B?

754
00:56:23.219 --> 00:56:27.539
Sit with you before we embark on that journey.

755
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:32.219
Um, I think there's some good stuff in it in both halves.

756
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:36.960
I don't like, we've talked about this before, possibly.

757
00:56:37.019 --> 00:56:43.739
I don't like the way that Amy and Rory leave at all, but I think they're sort of fun to be had.

758
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:47.340
I actually miss the complexity a bit.

759
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:54.239
But it's nice to try new things and, you know, I think there are some reasonably entertaining things in there.

760
00:56:54.300 --> 00:56:56.579
So I'm kind of looking forward to it.

761
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:58.019
Peter?

762
00:56:58.139 --> 00:57:06.179
I'm definitely looking forward to series 7 A because I think it regains some of the fun that's been a bit diminished this season.

763
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.420
And I think it's a series of very strongest. episodes.

764
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:14.159
I haven't seen them in a long time, so I may revise this opinion, but I think it's a series of strong episodes.

765
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:18.360
And I wouldn't have thought that I'd said that about a mini-season with 2 chipmil episodes, but there we go.

766
00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:19.860
Richard.

767
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:25.500
And I'm really looking forward to seeing what comes next because I haven't watched them since they 1st went out.

768
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:28.440
My memory is very dim.

769
00:57:28.500 --> 00:57:34.260
I'm glad to hear they're not amongst the lost episodes and so we will be able to see them and review them next year.

770
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:36.900
Really no memory at all.

771
00:57:37.739 --> 00:57:47.280
Is there a giant squid in it and some and 7 sexy rituals and a methane extractor, I believe?

772
00:57:47.579 --> 00:57:49.320
Conflating that.

773
00:57:49.380 --> 00:57:50.579
Yeah, no, I have no memory.

774
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:51.780
And I like doing these.

775
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:53.639
I don't know if you've been doing them the same way.

776
00:57:53.699 --> 00:58:05.460
I know Nathan hasn't, but not watching them until we're going to do the stories and then you're, oh, ah, and that's when, like Todd, my opinions have been really revised to the point that it's just a flip.

777
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:06.780
It's a pancake flip.

778
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:07.739
Oh, I hated her.

779
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:08.820
I don't quite like her now.

780
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:14.039
Yeah, for me, I'm very much like you, Peter.

781
00:58:14.099 --> 00:58:24.420
I really think that that set of 5 episodes at the beginning of next season is quite strong consistently, and I'm with Nathan, the writing out of Amy and Rory is problematic.

782
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:35.880
In terms of Clara, like I really think that I really love Jenna Coleman in the 1st episode and in the Christmas, that those versions of golf Clara after that.

783
00:58:35.940 --> 00:58:50.579
Well, I still think she's a great actress, but am I going to find that I find the 2nd half of the season much more forgettable, although I will say this, that there is one episode in there which I absolutely detested beyond all imagining at the time.

784
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.860
Cold War hide.

785
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.239
That's your toy maker.

786
00:58:54.300 --> 00:58:57.539
It's not Journey to the Senator Tatars, which I still...

787
00:58:57.539 --> 00:58:58.260
Rings of Ackerton.

788
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.539
Yeah, which are absolutely detested at the time.

789
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:01.619
Yeah, I did too.

790
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.539
I'm looking forward to seeing what I think about.

791
00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:04.500
But I have seen it since.

792
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.679
And I reversed my opinion.

793
00:59:32.219 --> 00:59:35.699
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

794
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:42.239
We'll be back at Christmas to get our Narnia on in the doctor, the widow, and the wardrobe.

795
00:59:42.360 --> 01:00:02.340
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flight 3 Entirety on Facebook at FTE podcast on Twitter and on our website, flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody Interterterra, maximum power, and untitled Star Trek project.

796
01:00:02.460 --> 01:00:07.320
Until next time, sweetheart, I think Mummy might need another drink.

797
01:00:07.380 --> 01:00:10.079
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

798
01:00:10.139 --> 01:00:11.099
Good night.

799
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:12.179
See you soon.

800
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:13.139
Chin Chin.

801
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:22.139
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Beelby, Nathan Bottomley, Peter Griffithson, Richard Stone.

802
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:24.360
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

803
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:31.380
This episode, Playthings of Stephen, was recorded on the 28th of November 2021 and released on the 19th of December.

804
01:00:32.699 --> 01:00:39.659
That's the end of our Series 6 coverage, and so we'd like to thank everyone who's joined us on the couch over the last few weeks.

805
01:00:39.780 --> 01:00:51.480
Maxwell Coviello, Stephen and Dan from New To Who podcast, Simon Moore, Adam Richard, Kevin Bernard, Corey McMahon, Syhart, Conrad Westmus, Joe Ford and Jack Shanahan.

806
01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:56.820
What do you think of the child actors this season?

807
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.860
Besides Toby Avery?

808
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:02.400
Oscarloid is Toby Avery, who I think is a bit older?

809
01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:09.000
And if I was to include Lily Arnell from the Christmas special at the end of the season, who I actually think is quite good.

810
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:12.900
What do you think of the other assorted children?

811
01:01:13.860 --> 01:01:16.139
I thought George was sweet.

812
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:17.579
I really like George.

813
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:20.639
Yeah, I taught George sweet as well.

814
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.039
Damn him.

815
01:01:23.099 --> 01:01:24.239
He's just a kid.

816
01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:26.519
He's just a little boy.

817
01:01:26.579 --> 01:01:28.260
Don't blink, George.

818
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:34.980
No, but I mean, clearly, clearly... that is... grab that pillow and smother him, Todd.

819
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:36.420
These are awful.

820
01:01:36.539 --> 01:01:37.199
I hate it.

821
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.059
He and Cyril can team up.

822
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:41.039
Some bloody Cyril Arnold.

823
01:01:43.139 --> 01:01:47.940
I think I've been triggered. triggered.

824
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:50.880
We forget to the list here at home.

825
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:53.099
I hate the bit.

826
01:01:53.099 --> 01:01:54.659
They are terrible children.

827
01:01:54.659 --> 01:01:58.260
For the listener at home, we have to remember what our podcasters do for a living.

828
01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:04.800
It's so surprising that Toby delivered such a good performance because he'd been kicked in the ed buyer.

829
01:02:05.219 --> 01:02:12.780
I'm still laughing about that because I said it and your laughter at that point. episode.

830
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.699
I just kept going back.

831
01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:16.380
Oh, yeah, scintillating things.

832
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.019
Like, you know, dragged through a hedge and kicked.

833
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:25.019
Because when you say it, you don't realise how funny it is.

834
01:02:27.300 --> 01:02:30.119
So you deliver it completely straight.

835
01:02:30.179 --> 01:02:32.219
It's really great.

836
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.940
It's one of my favourite moments from this season to fly through entirety.

837
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:37.380
I think Stephen should have come up with that.

838
01:02:37.380 --> 01:02:40.980
I think that child actors could have been kicking their hair by our horse this season.

839
01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:41.699
Sorry.

840
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:43.980
Blackwood's very good.

841
01:02:44.099 --> 01:02:44.760
She is always.

842
01:02:44.820 --> 01:02:47.760
In fact, the 3 kids in the flashbacks are great.

843
01:02:47.820 --> 01:02:48.900
How can I just say?

844
01:02:48.900 --> 01:02:49.800
Except for Rory, maybe.

845
01:02:49.860 --> 01:02:52.860
No, that little Rory is so confusing.

846
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:55.559
He's so convincing is a little gory.

847
01:02:55.619 --> 01:02:57.420
He's too glormless.

848
01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:00.000
It just undermines Rory yet again.

849
01:03:00.059 --> 01:03:01.380
That's what I don't like about it.

850
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:03.539
I just think he's such a little dweeby thing.

851
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:06.840
It's sort of like, oh, please, you're going to have to cuddle this.

852
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:09.960
Oh, well look.

853
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.119
Child actors, they're not getting...

854
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:16.800
Exactly. damaged best psyche for their entire adult lives.

855
01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:17.219
Who knows?

856
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:18.300
Yeah that's right.

857
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:18.900
Perhaps.

858
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:22.139
All right, Baby Rory's robbed a convenience store now.

859
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.920
So he's got convention appearances.

860
01:03:25.980 --> 01:03:26.940
No I made that up.

861
01:03:27.059 --> 01:03:28.440
Allegedly.

862
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:31.619
Alright.

863
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:33.300
Keeping all this.

864
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:33.840
Yeah.

865
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:35.880
These are stayers.

866
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:37.139
Marry this guy.

867
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:38.039
This is the show.

868
01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:39.300
This is it.

869
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:40.559
You're doomed, all of you.

870
01:03:40.619 --> 01:03:44.280
All right, we've got a couple of award nominations.

871
01:03:44.340 --> 01:03:45.840
And so we always do.

872
01:03:45.900 --> 01:03:48.719
Do we have any Jenny Laird Award nominations?