WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 15:16:08 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:44.399 Hello, De, listen, welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast with an inexhaustible supply of milk. 2 00:00:44.460 --> 00:00:46.320 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:47.340 I'm Todd. 4 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:48.240 I'm Simon. 5 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:53.399 And I'm Nina, your meta powdered egg protein supplement for this one. 6 00:00:53.460 --> 00:00:57.899 Well, a lot has happened since the last episode of Flight through Entirety. 7 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:05.340 Simon and his husband have discovered that they cannot conceive children, and both Todd and Richard aren't speaking to me for some reason. 8 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:08.400 Is this the sort of thing that Doctor Who can fix? 9 00:01:08.459 --> 00:01:12.540 Let's find out as we visit the asylum of the Daleks. 10 00:01:34.500 --> 00:01:39.480 So we're back for what is a bit of a weird year of Doctor Who, I think. 11 00:01:39.540 --> 00:01:40.980 Yes, the weirdest, perhaps. 12 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:41.519 Do you think? 13 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.159 Well, certainly, it's not really one year. 14 00:01:44.219 --> 00:01:45.060 It's sort of 2 years, really. 15 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:45.659 Yeah. 16 00:01:45.659 --> 00:01:46.680 Yeah. 17 00:01:46.739 --> 00:01:52.859 And we've kind of decided, I think, to drop the serialisation. 18 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:58.799 So we don't quite have a big arc in the same sense that we did last year. 19 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:04.500 And I have a theory it's because Stephen Moffat always reacts against what he did the previous year. 20 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.319 And do you have how lucky we were? 21 00:02:07.379 --> 00:02:08.879 Do you think? 22 00:02:08.939 --> 00:02:11.039 Well, I just watched Flux, haven't I? 23 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:13.560 What could have been? 24 00:02:13.620 --> 00:02:19.080 Yeah, but it's nice to sort of go back to a series of completely self-contained episodes. 25 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:19.979 It's a change. 26 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:22.800 Why not do that, given that we've had 2 like that. 27 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:31.740 But I also like the factor, it's interesting that there's a large gap of time, not just between this episode and the previous episode, but also between each episode from now, really. 28 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:39.780 Yeah, there's like 10 months between this episode and the next one, according to Amy. from her points of view. 29 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:46.560 And so that's the other thing that's happening here, is that we have part-time companions for the 1st time. 30 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:53.879 We have kind of companions who go on trips and then go home for a bit and then go on another trip and stuff. 31 00:02:53.939 --> 00:03:03.300 This feels like, I don't, I'd like to talk about how you received Rory and Amy at the beginning of this at the time and now. 32 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:08.219 So I'm really interested in everyone's opinions, but I'm feeling as to umbrella it. 33 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:12.060 This feels very much informed by the new adventures. 34 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:14.340 We were just talking about one of Codleman's beautiful books. 35 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:21.780 They're all beautiful, but the characterisations and the acrimony and also the separation in time thing feels very new adventures. 36 00:03:21.900 --> 00:03:25.439 It's also like normal television in a way. 37 00:03:25.500 --> 00:03:31.500 Like, you know, Well, there's often a gap between seasons. 38 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:43.020 We come back to, you know, series two, episode one. and some time has passed and the relationships between the characters have changed a little bit and we spend the 1st episode kind of looking into that. 39 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:45.900 I mean, that's sort of because in sort of normal American television. 40 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:52.919 You know, the last episode went out in June and the next one's going out in September and so they have to move time forward in order to get to the Christmas episode. 41 00:03:55.979 --> 00:04:17.040 I have to say, and I know that this isn't a popular opinion, but I like what happens to Amy and Rory in the inter, not interregnum, but in the interval between the 2 seasons, the fact that they have a, well, that they're breaking up. 42 00:04:17.100 --> 00:04:21.300 I mean, it starts with Rory delivering divorce papers. 43 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:26.879 Does this have anything to do with the fact that we are broadcasting live from Oswin's crucible? 44 00:04:27.660 --> 00:04:29.939 Looking around the room of stuff. 45 00:04:30.300 --> 00:04:33.000 Yes, this is... 46 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:40.079 FTE Studios is a place where I like to retire to and make... 47 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.199 But Richard, which one of us is Oswald? 48 00:04:43.620 --> 00:04:45.360 all are today. 49 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:52.199 Well, we will get to Oswin, because I do think that that is a really clever and surprising thing to have happened. 50 00:04:52.259 --> 00:04:53.819 Do you remember the shock you felt? 51 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:56.519 Yeah. saw her. they kept it so well. 52 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:01.259 I was debating that with Brian when we were watching it the other day as to, did we remember? 53 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:03.720 Did we know who she was when we were watching this? 54 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:04.620 She's been in the magazine. 55 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:04.920 Yeah. 56 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:06.480 Be in the next, so we knew she was car. 57 00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:10.560 She knew we knew she was cast and I remember the shock at, 0 my goodness, what is going on? 58 00:05:10.620 --> 00:05:11.339 She's in this. 59 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.720 Did they kind of fudge it and sort of say, oh, well, you know, she was so good in this. 60 00:05:15.779 --> 00:05:17.220 We then decided to cast her as the companion. 61 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:18.240 Was it like that? 62 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:19.620 No, no, no. 63 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:20.939 It was always intentional. 64 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.680 So it is part of, so I know it was intentional, but was that the kind of the cover story they gave us? 65 00:05:25.740 --> 00:05:32.519 So I think there are 2 loose arcs in series 7 or at least in the beginning and end of series 7. 66 00:05:32.579 --> 00:05:43.079 So the series 7 A arc is Amy and Rory's relationship, which is why we start with them broken up, and the series 7 B arc is obviously about Clara. 67 00:05:43.139 --> 00:05:44.819 That's the Golga French and mark. 68 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:46.439 Yeah, the BR. 69 00:05:47.100 --> 00:05:49.319 Where all of us are. 70 00:05:49.379 --> 00:05:51.060 Me anyway. 71 00:05:52.980 --> 00:05:56.819 Yeah, I teach a dead language to rich children, I'm essentially. 72 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.779 Have we wiped these marks? 73 00:06:00.779 --> 00:06:02.100 I just want to check. 74 00:06:03.779 --> 00:06:10.019 So this kind of introduces that that 7BR, who the hell is Clara? 75 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:16.860 Why is this person that we saw at the casting call taking publicity photos with Matt Smith? 76 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:17.759 Why is she here already? 77 00:06:17.819 --> 00:06:19.680 But only the audience knows. 78 00:06:19.740 --> 00:06:20.459 Yes. 79 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:22.920 Not the doctor, not Amy, not Rory. 80 00:06:22.980 --> 00:06:27.180 Of course it's very cleverly written in that the doctor never sees her. 81 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:28.740 Of course. 82 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:29.279 Yeah. 83 00:06:29.339 --> 00:06:30.839 So he only hears her voice. 84 00:06:30.899 --> 00:06:32.759 He never actually gets to see her. 85 00:06:32.819 --> 00:06:35.579 What sort of name is Oswin? 86 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:36.420 Can I just ask that? 87 00:06:36.540 --> 00:06:39.480 Like, like, I don't even know the origin of the name. 88 00:06:39.540 --> 00:06:40.860 Like I've never heard it before. 89 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.879 Like, you know, you can have old English ladies names, but I'd never heard of this. 90 00:06:44.939 --> 00:06:46.920 Like it just seems so... 91 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:53.339 It just seems so random, you know, and I guess we'll talk about the Clara arc later on. 92 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:58.620 I don't know if at this point Steven's got it fully in his mind what he wants to do with that. 93 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.160 Yeah, it does a similar, there's a similar name for Oliver's name, isn't there? 94 00:07:02.220 --> 00:07:07.019 I think we need to look at Moffatt's early schoolboy diaries and discover who she actually is. 95 00:07:07.139 --> 00:07:15.000 Well, she does later on, I think, as Clara say something like Clara Oswald for the win or something. 96 00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:19.560 There is some dialogue, which suggests that that's where the name comes from. 97 00:07:20.100 --> 00:07:25.740 And obviously, like the mystery is enhanced by the fact that she's not Clara. 98 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:31.980 We know that this character is going to be called Clara, the press release and the whole thing has already happened. 99 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:35.279 So I think it just adds an extra layer, who the hell is this? 100 00:07:35.339 --> 00:07:38.160 And I think that that is really great. 101 00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:40.139 But let's go into it a little bit later. 102 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.860 Let's get back to Amy and Rory's marriage. 103 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.100 How did you feel about it breaking down between seasons, Todd? 104 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.800 I was not impressed at all. 105 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:52.139 I really hated it at the time. 106 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:55.259 I just thought this is a plot device. 107 00:07:55.319 --> 00:08:00.060 We've made a decision to keep them on his companions for a bit longer. 108 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.220 And so we need some sort of hook. 109 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:11.819 And I certainly think with what happens to them in 5 episodes time, I think, especially when it talks about that she can't have children, I just think that's really nasty. 110 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:13.620 I still think it's really nasty and awful. 111 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:21.899 I can see now, having rewatched it, the whole dynamics and to give the doctor something to fix. 112 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:23.939 We've talked about this, Nathan. 113 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:30.000 But I still feel like it's something in the episode that just doesn't sit well with me. 114 00:08:30.060 --> 00:08:32.279 I just, I've mentioned in the last few episodes. 115 00:08:32.340 --> 00:08:40.379 I really like the fact that they were sort of being let go by the doctor and they're right out at the end of the last season and now it's sort of like, well, how do we get them back in? 116 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:50.759 Like, because quite frankly, it's very generous of the Daleks to go and get them and bring them to be with the doctor because he needs his companions out of, you know, some sort of structural need of the story. 117 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.419 Did we need to actually have that extra layer in there, right? 118 00:08:54.480 --> 00:09:03.779 We could have had them separated, which they are for the most thing, but it's sort of like Stephen needs to have some colour in the relationship. 119 00:09:03.779 --> 00:09:08.460 If they were just together and separated, you wouldn't have all of that sort of interplay. 120 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.940 So I think from a structural point of view, I have problems with it. 121 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.100 It's sort of like a means to an end, right? 122 00:09:14.220 --> 00:09:17.519 But it doesn't stop my enjoyment of the episode and I liked it a lot more this time. 123 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:19.679 What do you think of it, Simon? 124 00:09:19.740 --> 00:09:27.840 Well, leaving aside that I probably would have preferred the Amy and Rory thing to have been wrapped up at the end of the previous season because it was so beautifully done and neat. 125 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:31.019 I just went with it when it came on. 126 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:34.320 I thought, oh, yes, okay, so we're, we've got relationship problems. 127 00:09:34.379 --> 00:09:35.580 We're doing you win exactly. 128 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.460 We're doing this now, because essentially it's resolved by the end of the episode anyway. 129 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:40.980 I mean, he goes back inside the house and. 130 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:43.860 But I just thought it was unnecessary. 131 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:45.240 No, fair enough. 132 00:09:45.299 --> 00:09:49.679 And I just, I guess that the biggest thing for me, Simon, is the whole, she can't have kids. 133 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:50.820 Yeah, right? 134 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:54.240 to try and make all that happened last season even worse. 135 00:09:54.299 --> 00:09:57.539 Well, interestingly, she says she can't have kids. 136 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:00.720 What she should have said is she can't have any more kids. 137 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:01.919 They actually have a daughter. 138 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:04.139 And it's kind of a bit rude. 139 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:05.639 It's like we're now deleting River song. 140 00:10:05.700 --> 00:10:06.659 Like she doesn't count anymore. 141 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:16.799 I know they didn't get to raise her as a child in the traditional sense, but it was nice the way it resolved at the end of the previous season with River arriving and River calling her mother and all that sort of stuff. 142 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:17.759 I get it. 143 00:10:17.820 --> 00:10:19.559 I get that you don't like that and that's fair enough. 144 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:26.460 I just feel with Todd that maybe with Simon as well, I wanted some continuity and characterisation. 145 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:33.659 I understand that Mr. Moffatt finds that narcissistic sociopathic women very attractive. 146 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.919 I, however, found that really on the nose at the time. 147 00:10:37.980 --> 00:10:40.080 And I still now I just find it unnecessary. 148 00:10:40.139 --> 00:10:44.039 It's an artificial point to raise drama where I don't think it needs to be. 149 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:46.080 I expect more emotional summary. 150 00:10:46.139 --> 00:10:50.399 I expect more emotional intelligence from these characters. certainly seeing where we've been before. 151 00:10:50.460 --> 00:10:51.840 That's a great point. 152 00:10:51.899 --> 00:10:55.200 More emotional intelligence because I really felt that they were in such a great place. 153 00:10:55.860 --> 00:11:01.320 And their relationship was so strong that they could never actually get to this and I just don't quite buy it. 154 00:11:01.379 --> 00:11:03.600 And they also look just so glamorous now. 155 00:11:03.659 --> 00:11:04.740 And so well grew. 156 00:11:04.860 --> 00:11:06.360 Rory's wearing great clothes. 157 00:11:06.419 --> 00:11:09.240 Yeah, so gray hair. 158 00:11:09.899 --> 00:11:12.240 But yeah, no, I think that's the perfect point. 159 00:11:12.299 --> 00:11:17.639 It is the fact that I don't buy the fact that we're here already, given the love between them. 160 00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:21.179 No, you're going to get to this point where you're divorcing maybe 12 months later. 161 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:22.019 No way. 162 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.419 And so it's I don't buy it. 163 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.100 I think it's it's lazy. 164 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:31.620 I think that it's unpleasant to watch because we love them and we've been rooting for them for 2 years. 165 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.120 I think that that's a problem. 166 00:11:33.179 --> 00:11:39.059 I do think, though, this episode is barely about the Daleks at all. 167 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:42.179 It's not particularly interested in Daleks. 168 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.340 Best Dialect stories are barely about the Dialect. 169 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.080 Yeah, no, I agree. complaining. 170 00:11:46.500 --> 00:11:48.659 Did you mention the chase? 171 00:11:49.799 --> 00:12:06.960 But it is interesting that Stephen doesn't really ever want to write Daleks necessarily, even cyber them up to this point because all we've had is back in series, end of series five, a dalek in that final episode, right? 172 00:12:07.019 --> 00:12:07.500 Going around. 173 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.740 He hasn't written really any other dalek Dalek things. 174 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:11.159 And here. 175 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:13.620 And I think it's in his writing. 176 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:15.779 He always wants to do different things with them. 177 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:20.519 Like we've got the human dalek thing, which is different, you know, with the unfortunate. 178 00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:21.659 Oh, okay. 179 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:27.960 And with the cyberman, like back in again, series five, that one cyberman. 180 00:12:28.019 --> 00:12:38.460 But he was doing something different with that side and with, you know, down in the um, under stone hinge, like how it sort of was going to eject its skull and take over Amy. 181 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:39.179 That was something different. 182 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.320 He's not interested in doing the cybermen or the Daleks, as we know. 183 00:12:43.379 --> 00:12:44.820 It's always different thing. 184 00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:50.639 And here we've got the human daleks and we're not, we've got the Oswin dalek. 185 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:58.919 Yeah, yeah, yeah. egg and we're not really interested too much in the new paradigm daleks, which have now been shunted off to one memory hold. 186 00:12:58.980 --> 00:13:04.740 You know, with the Parliament and the Prime Minister and all of the Russell T Daleks there. 187 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:05.460 Yeah. 188 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:22.860 So I think that the Amy and Rory relationship breakdown does 2 good things, which is that it gives us more consequences for the things of series 6, which we sort of complained about before. 189 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:30.960 Like Amy undergoes this horrific torture and then is off on a jolly adventure the next week and that's a problem. 190 00:13:31.019 --> 00:13:34.320 So it makes those events have more consequences. 191 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:45.899 And it's a baseline because the thing that we're going to see is a relationship that is much more mature and has weathered a lot of stuff. 192 00:13:45.960 --> 00:14:01.019 And what we actually find here is, I think, Rory and Amy growing up to the point where the doctor kind of realises that they don't really need him anymore. 193 00:14:01.019 --> 00:14:07.259 And that culminates in Amy's big decision at the end of Angels Take Manhattan. 194 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.340 She doesn't need the doctor anymore, but she does need Rory. 195 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:25.980 And so giving that relationship a bit more history, taking it from something that is, you know, the very beginning of a marriage where they're all sort of totally into one another, into a sort of more solid domestic relationship, I think is a good thing. 196 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:33.480 Just shaking my head because every time I say something about how I dislike this and how it's not any good. 197 00:14:33.539 --> 00:14:44.460 You then come up with all these wonderful voices to say the consequences of this and there's so much payoff and there's actually really good things coming out of something that I don't. 198 00:14:44.580 --> 00:14:47.460 You know, I acknowledge that it's unpleasant to watch. 199 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.139 I think it is unpleasant to watch. 200 00:14:49.139 --> 00:14:58.559 And what, like, Simon and Richard said about it, like, I thought it was a very TV writer. 201 00:14:58.860 --> 00:15:06.539 And I suppose that's why I just accept it and move on because I know that they do things in TV which aren't real. especially in a program like this. 202 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:07.440 But yeah. 203 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:09.240 Yeah, yeah, I think I agree. 204 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.620 So, let's go back to Oswin then. 205 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:28.500 And the big question is, I remember this. 206 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:30.059 Do you remember this at the time, Richard? 207 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:37.019 I thought that she had had an egg whisk in her hand at some point? 208 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:37.980 remember that as well. 209 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.019 But it doesn't happen, does it? 210 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:46.980 And I think we, it so should have happened that we just imagine that it happened. 211 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.100 Well, because like a 60s dialect sometimes have egg whisks on... 212 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.139 Well, she's making souffles. 213 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:53.580 And she's a dalek. 214 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:57.600 And they don't have a scene where she has an egg whisk in her hand. 215 00:15:57.659 --> 00:15:59.639 They're only in the they're always in the oven. 216 00:16:00.179 --> 00:16:02.279 See, flaves are always in the oven. 217 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:04.379 Whilst unblocking the sink with the right hand. 218 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:05.639 Yeah. 219 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.039 Mr. trick. 220 00:16:08.100 --> 00:16:09.659 It would have been so good. 221 00:16:10.379 --> 00:16:16.379 I love the plumbing. pardon the pun of Grim Fairy stories for this one. 222 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.539 I want to talk a bit about metas. 223 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.139 That's a thing that we now live in, Mr. Zuckerberg. 224 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.000 Did anyone else pick up all of that? 225 00:16:24.059 --> 00:16:38.879 They're really ploughing the Grimm's fairy stories and not just Oswin being the sleeping beauty who slept for a year in this case, but in the sepulchra of her own lovely imaginings. 226 00:16:38.940 --> 00:16:43.139 But, um, my favourite moment visually in this. 227 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:47.220 And I think it's beautifully shot and so well lit. 228 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:49.980 And it's so well directed that this one. 229 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:54.120 I think that's really why it works because I think we're all probably thinking along the same lines. 230 00:16:54.179 --> 00:16:55.860 It's actually kind of a thin story. 231 00:16:55.919 --> 00:17:04.200 And there's a lot of very artificial TV jerks to get the things to happen the way that they happen. 232 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.720 And it's not just Amy and Rory. 233 00:17:06.779 --> 00:17:13.259 It's really all of the incidents and I find the Parliament of Daleks, as Greg Miller said, are delightful carols by candlelight. 234 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:16.079 I would have loved to have been there. 235 00:17:16.140 --> 00:17:22.079 But there's a lovely, my favourite moment is when Amy is delirious and looks out and says they're just people. 236 00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:23.880 Oh, there's a lonely sequence. 237 00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:24.539 It's gorgeous. 238 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:25.619 And you know where it's lifted from? 239 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:26.579 And I had another look. 240 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:27.599 It's cocktail. 241 00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:34.079 Jean cocktails, belle la bet, you know, the 1946 film, 47 film, with Jean Marais. 242 00:17:34.140 --> 00:17:39.900 Again, lit the same way, the mere lighting and deliberately so. 243 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:43.859 And just the way that reality layers into fantasy. 244 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:45.299 I was like, where have I seen all this before? 245 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:50.099 And that kind of language soupy density atmosphere. 246 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:53.700 I feel as if the air is thicker on the planet. 247 00:17:53.759 --> 00:18:00.720 I also love the descent onto the ice planes and that the young man who they meet is wearing camo gear that's white. 248 00:18:00.779 --> 00:18:01.920 It just looks spectacular. 249 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:03.180 Yeah, looks very nice. 250 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.160 So it's Nick Curran again. 251 00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:13.799 So girl who waited God complex. and he is absolutely maybe the best director of the Moffat era. 252 00:18:13.859 --> 00:18:17.220 Certainly it's the visual style consistent. full throughout. 253 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:18.359 He's really good. 254 00:18:18.420 --> 00:18:20.339 I think this is less showy than those. 255 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.019 Yes, it's definitely less showy. 256 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:29.819 But I, actually, it's interesting that you mentioned the girl who waited because, Richard, you sort of suggest that the plot's a bit thin or the story has been thin. 257 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:35.579 Well, you see, for me, it feels like the kind of plot that you need in what is a 45 minute self-container. 258 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:45.240 I brought it up in that episode, the girl who waited as well, in that the floor of some modern episodes is that they're trying to do an old style 4 parter in 45 minutes. 259 00:18:45.299 --> 00:18:47.220 And so you all rush through all this stuff and then it's over. 260 00:18:47.279 --> 00:19:03.180 Whereas this and the girl who waited are good examples of how much content you need, and the kind of story you need, to take you through a 45 minute episode, and get all the nice stuff in that you want, like, you know, Amy's sequence where she's hallucinating, the people, which is quite gorgeous. 261 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:14.279 You do actually need to let the actors and the artists involved with the directors, the lighting crew, the designers, to have scope to create a narrative that isn't just on the page. 262 00:19:14.339 --> 00:19:15.059 So, yeah. 263 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:21.480 I mean, I think this is fundamentally about Rory and Amy's relationship and about Clara. 264 00:19:21.539 --> 00:19:23.880 And I don't think the Daleks... 265 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.700 That's actually good Yeah, it's like making sourdough. 266 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:31.079 It's a bit spooky, though. 267 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:39.839 Yeah, I think the Daleks are something that Moffat isn't interested in beyond their mere iconography. 268 00:19:39.900 --> 00:19:43.259 And so he doesn't care about the history of the Daleks, particularly. 269 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:46.920 He doesn't want to create a Dalek story where Daleks do Dalek things. 270 00:19:46.980 --> 00:19:51.539 He wants to just use the imagery in a story. 271 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:55.019 And so there is essentially no Dalek story here. 272 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.859 It's just, you know, the Dalek send him down a thing. 273 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:00.359 He wanders around for a while. 274 00:20:00.420 --> 00:20:01.619 He finds Oz when. 275 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:03.420 He beams back and then escapes. 276 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:05.700 You know, there's not really that much Dalek business. 277 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:18.660 And the new Dalek thing where they have the eye stalk and the gun, both of which are iconic Dalek things bursting out of people's heads absolutely makes no sense. 278 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:20.099 So Daleks can do that now. 279 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:28.859 They can just be people with sort of guns coming out of their hands, but it is using Dalek imagery in a new way and that's what he's interested in. 280 00:20:28.859 --> 00:20:29.460 That's right. 281 00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:30.180 Yeah. 282 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.619 I just don't like it though. 283 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:35.519 I think it's twee and looks awful and it's a bit embarrassing. 284 00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:36.720 I find it a bit embarrassing. 285 00:20:36.779 --> 00:20:41.519 I like the concept of the people being taken over by the Daleks, but through the nano bots or whatever they are. 286 00:20:41.579 --> 00:20:45.720 I love the, well, but effectively it's like a modern take on the Roberman. 287 00:20:45.779 --> 00:20:46.440 Yeah, yeah. 288 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:48.779 It's people being taken over by the dogs. 289 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:54.779 I just think the ice stock coming out of the forehead in particular, it just makes me cringe. 290 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:57.240 But I like that grotesqueness. 291 00:20:57.299 --> 00:21:01.559 It's not the grotesqueness. cringing because I think it's just, it's like, what the hell does that mean? 292 00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:02.640 What is that about? 293 00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:03.599 Why is that necessary? 294 00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:10.319 I liked it actually when, I can't remember the character's name, but the woman that's in the pre-credit sequence with Matt. 295 00:21:10.380 --> 00:21:13.680 Later when she's in the Parliament of the Dalek ship. 296 00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:17.519 She's just got more of a blue glow up there rather than the ice talk up there. 297 00:21:17.579 --> 00:21:18.779 I think that's nice. 298 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.680 That's kind of suggests there's something implanted in your brain or growing in your brain. 299 00:21:22.740 --> 00:21:27.779 And even the gun coming out of the hand is... 300 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:33.420 I saw coming out of the forest and it happens several times in the future and I just go, please, why did that? 301 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:35.400 I love the bus driver. 302 00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:37.019 Remember when Rory gets on the bus? 303 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:38.160 But that doesn't make any sense. 304 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:38.759 Why the bus? 305 00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:40.200 It makes sense to Amy's assistant. 306 00:21:40.980 --> 00:21:46.019 It's taken over by the Daleks because he's working with Amy every day. 307 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.359 How do the Daxies know that Rory's going to get on that exact bus? 308 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:49.680 But it's so good. 309 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:51.900 They take over all the bus drivers. 310 00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:52.319 They do. 311 00:21:52.500 --> 00:21:55.319 You don't actually see it happen, do you? 312 00:21:55.380 --> 00:21:58.079 You just see him looking scary in the bus revision. 313 00:21:58.140 --> 00:22:01.859 Maybe there's a bit of a thing on the bubble on it. bubble of patters on his head, yeah. 314 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:02.460 Yeah. 315 00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:04.319 I mean, all of that stuff's just terribly fun. 316 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:09.299 And it is, the trouble with the blue glow on the forehead is that it's subtle? 317 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:12.539 Yes, it's not daleky enough. 318 00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:26.400 But I think keeping the Daleks as, as you say, as a motif, I think, is when they are most successful for me, because Diaz has been brought up many times before, conversations between Daleks are tiresome. 319 00:22:26.460 --> 00:22:31.859 In the extreme, conversations between cybermen are tiresome, in the extreme. 320 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:37.980 So you use them sparingly rather than en masse because of the fact that they are more interesting sparingly. 321 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:39.599 Yeah. 322 00:22:39.660 --> 00:22:41.640 And they're great because they're frightening. creepy. 323 00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:42.779 They're creepy. 324 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:50.460 Having, however, many bazillions of them CGI'd into the Parliament of the Daleks, is just, it's just for the fact that it's the opening episode. 325 00:22:50.460 --> 00:22:52.799 Yeah, it creates the pre-credits teacher and that's all that it's about. 326 00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:56.579 But talking of the parliament, I wouldn't understand some more because we do have a prime minister of the dialects. 327 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.380 So is there a leader of the opposition? 328 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:01.019 Do they have divisions? 329 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:02.640 You know, is there a pairing system? 330 00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:03.720 So many questions. 331 00:23:03.779 --> 00:23:05.519 It's odd, isn't it? 332 00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:12.240 It's almost like he's kind of gesturing towards some kind of political point, but I don't know what it is. 333 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.940 Yeah, yeah, it doesn't actually get developed. 334 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:15.960 What was he trying to say? 335 00:23:16.019 --> 00:23:16.680 I don't know. 336 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:19.799 Trying to remember what was happening when this was being written. 337 00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:24.180 You're right about the partisanship of the Darlings. 338 00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:39.180 I think it was just an excuse to have a lovely big rotunda, but it was also, I felt a little bit of a tiny Mick duration against our dear Russell's final episode for Eccleston's doctor. 339 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:43.559 So the god emperor Dalek is now a Vaseline jar. 340 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:44.880 Yeah. 341 00:23:44.940 --> 00:23:46.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 342 00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:47.519 So he's the prime minister. 343 00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:52.380 I mean, because Parliament's actually a good word because I can't remember what animal... 344 00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:52.740 Owls. 345 00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:53.759 Owls. 346 00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:54.299 There you are. 347 00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:56.700 So owls have a collective noun is a parliament. 348 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.660 So I just thought it was maybe the collective noun have done it, which is, which would be so good. 349 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:01.619 Which is fine. 350 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.359 But then they call the... 351 00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:04.920 I mean this is prime minister doesn't make any sense. 352 00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:06.539 But you know, who cares? 353 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:07.440 Yeah, yeah. 354 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:12.539 It's been a while since we've had a non-evil Prime Minister of Great Britain and perhaps that's it. 355 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:16.680 Maybe that's the point, but it doesn't seem like a very interesting point to make. 356 00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:19.259 And it's certainly not developed in any way. 357 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:19.980 So, you know. 358 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:30.900 I think he's more interested in the outcome at the end where they're all just, they forget about the doctor, which has been an ongoing thing in the master episodes, which, of course, is conveniently dropped after this. 359 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:32.759 No, it will come up again next week. 360 00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:33.900 Oh, okay. 361 00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:34.500 Yeah. 362 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:39.359 So that's that's a thing too, because we start with the doctor being dead. 363 00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:41.400 And so when he turns up on Skaro. 364 00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:42.180 And that's another thing. 365 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.660 Moffatt isn't interested in the fact that the doctor blew up Scaro. 366 00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:46.319 He doesn't care. 367 00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:47.400 He's Scaro. 368 00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:49.680 We're going to be on Scaro because I literally don't care. 369 00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:50.640 A different point in time. 370 00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:51.839 Well, yeah, I suppose. 371 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:52.680 Well, the future. 372 00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:58.440 Where he's, he, no one knows who he is and he's disappeared. 373 00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:01.680 His his kind of his death has taken. 374 00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:02.940 People think he's dead. 375 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.640 Isn't that the implication of that conversation? 376 00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:11.039 Like he's surprised that whatever her name is knows about him or knows who he is. 377 00:25:11.099 --> 00:25:12.480 There is some reference to that. 378 00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:13.200 Yes. 379 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:21.960 But of course, the dalek's no, you know, him and they know his companion's addresses and they know what bus Rory catches, obviously. 380 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.460 And then by the end of it, they've never heard of him. 381 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:36.839 But it's interesting that, you know, this has been like was a big point at the end of last season and is here again and as you said next week. 382 00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:41.160 But after that, it seems to be somewhat dropped. 383 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.279 Well, I mean, I've said this before, but the show has done this before. 384 00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:56.339 At the end of World War III. the doctor gives a CD to Mickey with a computer virus on it that will wipe out all of the mentions of the doctor from the records and stuff. 385 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.460 There's always been this sort of weird thing. 386 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:00.720 Is the doctor famous or not? 387 00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:02.160 And then they bottle out of it. 388 00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:11.099 The thing that I find disappointing, because several times they've done that, as I think I said, at the end of Wedding of River Song. several times they've done that and they've always bottled out of it. 389 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:12.900 Not just in the new series, been the old series as well. 390 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:18.359 And I think they missed an opportunity on each occasion by not then running with it and doing a bit of a reset. 391 00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:19.140 Yeah. 392 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:19.680 Yeah. 393 00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:22.799 I mean, you can always have the doctor just not be known in a particular place. 394 00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:23.579 Exactly. 395 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:24.480 The universe is a big place. 396 00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:25.740 Yeah, so time is long. 397 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:26.759 Yeah, that's right. 398 00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:30.539 He could be famous if the story needs it and unknown if it doesn't. 399 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:31.319 Yeah. 400 00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:41.759 I mean, even Chris Chibnall, who kind of tries to reset Doctor Who to just be a traveller rather than a superhero, has her bragging about her backstory by about episode three. 401 00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.579 So it doesn't take with him either. 402 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:50.700 I think it's a thing that Doctor Who has had to do ever since, what, the savages occasionally is famous. 403 00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:10.619 I still want to talk a little bit more about Jenna. 404 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.980 I mean, she is doing an absolutely spectacular job. 405 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.019 She is one of the best things. 406 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:17.099 She is so good. 407 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.660 The delivery is fantastic. 408 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:29.519 And basically, I assume she's basically performing all of these takes without anyone else there by herself with just some stage hand reading off the other dialogue. 409 00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:31.019 She is so good. 410 00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:39.960 And but when the credits finish and she suddenly is there in the red dress with Carmen going on in the background and the souffle is coming out of the oven and she's got the little monologue. 411 00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:46.559 That is such a great sequence and beautiful and it just suddenly changes the tempo and style of the program almost. 412 00:27:46.619 --> 00:27:51.900 Like, I feel like I felt like at the time and I felt like watching it when I was watching it again the other day, how fresh it suddenly was. 413 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.880 And she's so vibrant. 414 00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:55.140 She's such a vibrant person. 415 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:55.619 She's great. 416 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.200 Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Jenna. 417 00:27:58.259 --> 00:28:00.180 I really, really like her performance. 418 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:04.319 I think she's charismatic, she's charming. 419 00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:14.339 I think she's a little bit more subtle and versatile maybe than Karen, who we have quite a high opinion of, I think, after the last few years. 420 00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:16.619 Looks at me. 421 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:21.720 Well, no, I've grown to love Karen, but straight away, I'm totally drawn to Jenna. 422 00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:23.099 She looks stunning. 423 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:33.359 Every piece of dialogue, every, every look to the camera or not, everything that she does in this episode is just sublime. 424 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.579 I get the feeling that she's had a lot more experience than Karen. 425 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:40.500 Yeah, it may not be right. 426 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.380 Well, I mean, she was on Emmerdale for a few years. 427 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.819 So, I mean, she certainly cut her chops in having to do episode 8 television. 428 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.619 So she can come straight into something. 429 00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.319 At a fast pace where you're doing a lot of shooting. television. 430 00:28:52.380 --> 00:28:56.400 She's also just very, very good at Moffatt's dialogue as well. 431 00:28:56.460 --> 00:29:12.839 Now, that's an interesting thing because I looked up when I wanted to find out, did we know that she was going to be the companion when it came out and I found a little kind of a factoid in there that apparently one of the reasons Moffatt said he cast her was because she could talk faster than Matt Smith and makes sense. 432 00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:14.579 And I think it works so well. 433 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:22.980 You get the sense that she, whether it's the actress or the character, she's keeping up with the doctor. almost like the way River song does. 434 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:23.700 Yeah. 435 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.400 And I think she manages to do it with both doctors as well. 436 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.900 Like she absolutely holds her own against 2 different doctors during her run. 437 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:35.220 Yes, but I actually think that she's best in the Matt Smith episodes. 438 00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:38.279 And I think she, the character works best with Matt. 439 00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:50.039 And I think it's fine with Capaldi, but I think it may be just for me more the way they change the character developer character that I start to lose interest in her as we move into the Capaldi era, but I think she's strongest at the start. 440 00:29:50.099 --> 00:30:01.019 Yeah, I think we will complain about the way the character works because she does tend to be jerked around by whatever the... 441 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 442 00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:04.019 And that is a little bit of a problem. 443 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:13.019 But, you know, we used to, the classic series where, you know, the character has a paragraph long description and... 444 00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:20.400 Computer programming, peace popping, that's right, and nothing else, and the whole thing just relies on the actor's performance, and I think that's what's happening here. 445 00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.680 The whole thing is tied together by Jenna's performance. 446 00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:26.279 It's funny that you mention that because, I mean, I'm jumping ahead. 447 00:30:26.339 --> 00:30:40.019 Like, we do get about 4 different Claras throughout the time, but I also think if you look back in classic, you also get 3 different Sarah Jane Smith, in my opinion, when you look at it, and it's Elizabeth Stadden, who holds that all together. 448 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:46.079 And here, I think again, with Jenna's performance is the thing that holds Clara together throughout all of that. 449 00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:47.759 But I certainly agree with you, Simon. 450 00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:50.940 And I certainly think that, well, this is Oswald. 451 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.880 My favourite Clara is yet to come and she's only in one episode. 452 00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:54.900 Yeah, right? 453 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.619 I wonder if that's the same one as mine. 454 00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.180 I think it might be. 455 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:01.259 I think it might be. 456 00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:05.339 But she's just a breath of fresh air in this. 457 00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:16.380 And it says a lot about the writing and her performance and the direction in the fact that she's trapped in this room and she's been there, but you don't really think about that for a while. 458 00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:29.519 You begin to question it, but then, whether it be the performance of the dialogue or whatever, you then get distracted and it's only towards perhaps the last little for me anyway, the last 15 minutes or so where you start to go, well, how does this actually work? 459 00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:33.599 Exactly, despite despite the fact that you know that she can't be there. 460 00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:34.500 You just don't think it. 461 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.180 Well for me, you just don't think about it. 462 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:42.839 Despite all the hints that get dropped, it is still a terrible shock and the station when it's revealed that she's a dalek at the end. 463 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:56.579 Because I think when you're watching a program like this, I'm spotting things and then I'm kind of dismissing slash forgiving them, thinking that either it's an error of production or it's just they just stuffed up the writing or it was the wrong person on the wrong day. 464 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.420 And so even if it's flagged, it's still a surprise. for me. 465 00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:03.779 So are you talking about the where does she get the milk for the souffle? 466 00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:04.259 What is it from? 467 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.779 I think that's... 468 00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:07.680 Don't they have replicators? 469 00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:10.140 It's a throwaway gag, is it? 470 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:17.400 Like it's a joke and it looks like a meta joke about how Doctor Who kind of doesn't make sense often about that kind of stuff. 471 00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:19.440 Like, none of us would have been... 472 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:24.180 Oh, I don't know, maybe people would be writing angry letters to the production team about the milk problem. 473 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:25.319 It's like, where's the milk? 474 00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:25.799 Where are the eggs? 475 00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:26.400 Where everything else? 476 00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:27.900 What else are you eating? 477 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:33.420 Like basically that's why I thought it was just the running joke because if she doesn't have milk, then she doesn't have anything else either. 478 00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:37.440 But that's but that's how the doctor realises that this is not real. 479 00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:38.759 Like that's an important thing. 480 00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:40.079 It's not just a throwaway line. 481 00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:41.400 He brings it up again. 482 00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:44.039 So I think that's really clever. 483 00:32:44.099 --> 00:32:46.859 She's like, what is she? 484 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:47.819 She's really smart. 485 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:53.160 She's super flirty with both the doctor and Rory, which I really like, actually. 486 00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:55.559 Yeah, no, it's gorgeous. 487 00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.140 The nose and the chin. 488 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:06.539 But it's yet another female character that Moffat's created to insult and tease the doctor. 489 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:07.079 Yeah. 490 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.059 She's another Julie Solala. 491 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:10.200 Yeah, well that's right. 492 00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:14.460 He's always been trying to recreate Linda Day, hasn't he? 493 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.160 I think this is more like Julius Swala. 494 00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:20.940 She even starts to dress like Linda Day a little bit as well. 495 00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:26.220 With sort of leggings and short skirts and stuff like that. like Linda ends up wearing. 496 00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:31.440 Brendan Jones and I had a lovely Diana Rigg flashback when we 1st saw this. 497 00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:33.720 She's a modern day M appeal. 498 00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:34.440 Yeah. 499 00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:36.660 Yeah, she's pretty and smart and cool. 500 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:45.539 Yeah, I mean, not to belabour the point, but the hair, the dress, the makeup, is all so elegantly sophisticated. 501 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.579 It's just lovely. 502 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.980 And even though she's in this little, what is supposed to be in her mind, at least, an escape pod from the Alaska. 503 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.180 And she just looks so glamorous and fantastic and I buy it completely. 504 00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:58.140 Yeah, yeah. 505 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:05.519 And she has that thing about not being distressed by this difficult situation that she's in, which is solution orientated. 506 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.980 All of us during lockdown. 507 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.420 Yeah, all of us here. 508 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:15.119 And in the absence of an egg whisk, what hints do we have apart from where's the milk? 509 00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:19.199 I guess there's a round porthole that she looks at through. 510 00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:25.559 And there's, I think there might be other sort of semicircular... was the 1st big giveaway. 511 00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:26.579 Yeah, yeah. 512 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.239 Yeah, that's right. 513 00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:27.780 That's right. 514 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:29.639 She speaks to the dog. 515 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.159 Very Star Wars, that I thought, that's something out of the snow. 516 00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:32.880 Yeah, yeah. 517 00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:34.500 In fact, all of that stuff is great. 518 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:35.639 We're in Spain, aren't we? 519 00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:36.840 Oh is that where it is? 520 00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:37.800 Yeah, yeah. 521 00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:39.599 I'm in Spain It's awesomely beautiful. 522 00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:40.619 Yes, lovely. 523 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:41.880 Yeah amazing. 524 00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:42.900 And gloves. 525 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.639 Spanish gloves. 526 00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:49.440 Well, I think this episode and town called Mercy might be shot in Spain as well. 527 00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:50.340 That's right in Spain. 528 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.019 Oh, tackled Mercy Spain, right? 529 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:52.679 Yeah, yeah. 530 00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:54.000 So the gunfighter? 531 00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:57.239 The gunfighters, in a studio set in Spain. 532 00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.519 Time met. 533 00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:03.420 Well, it's not Spirit and Campbell, Iridius Falcon. 534 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:03.960 Excellent. 535 00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:08.699 I can say, yes, they pronounce spirit on wrong as well. 536 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.619 Inspiredon, but that's not what's said in the dialogue. 537 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.920 So Sylvester McCoy pronounces it Spiriton. 538 00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:17.639 Spirit on. 539 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.639 And so does, so does Jenna. 540 00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:22.019 She pronounces it Spiriton. 541 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.880 So that confirms my theory. 542 00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:25.679 What are they saying, planet of the Dialects? 543 00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:26.940 They say spirad on. 544 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:33.360 So my theory is that John Pertwee mispronounces the names of all of these planets and... 545 00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:34.380 Yeah that's right. 546 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:35.639 Like metabolis 3. 547 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:40.320 It really is metabolis 3 and per twig just mispronounced. 548 00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:42.179 The balance of evidence, Planet of the Daleks is wrong. 549 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:43.199 Yes, clearly. 550 00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:46.199 In other ways, so... 551 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.659 Go back to that. 552 00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:51.420 Previous comments about Dalek centric stories not being interesting. 553 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.420 What do you mean there's Bernard Horseful in? 554 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:54.900 that's true. 555 00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:13.320 You know all the hallucination, like of all the different Daleks and their characters, like, is that in her mind or is that sort of showing us like these were the people behind these dialects? 556 00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:14.159 or the characteristics? 557 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:15.000 I think it's beautiful. 558 00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:17.159 I just, like, what's the imagery? 559 00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:18.239 What's the? 560 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:23.400 I got the impression that she is reading the Daleks as people because she's becoming a dalek. 561 00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:26.159 And they all had their own little... 562 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:27.659 And that's who they were. 563 00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:28.500 I don't know about that. 564 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.659 They're all from the 1920s or whatever. 565 00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:32.760 They're all kind of like it just, it is. 566 00:36:32.820 --> 00:36:34.320 We're all at a party. 567 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:38.099 That's right, a lovely party. garden party in the 1920s. 568 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.639 No, I just think it's what Richard said. 569 00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:44.639 It's just an incredible piece of imagery. 570 00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:46.800 In Beauty and the Beast. 571 00:36:46.860 --> 00:36:53.099 Bell has to put on a glove to pass through into the other universe, which is a whole lot of other kink in it as well. 572 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:54.719 It's cocktail. 573 00:36:54.780 --> 00:37:01.619 And in here, of course, it's the nanites, but there's still that lovely sense if we pass into other realms and what is reality. 574 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:13.320 So it really has some little nods to film history and especially to French romantic fantasy that is really, I suppose, cocktail started, but anyway, 40s and early 50s just after the war. 575 00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:22.980 There's that lovely sense of, which Stephen Moffatt does very well of when he allows himself to indulge is we are not sure which reality we're in. 576 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:24.059 I really like that. 577 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:25.019 It should be that way. 578 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:25.860 It's Doctor Who. 579 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:26.820 Yeah. 580 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:31.139 Just going back to the references to the other planets, be they spirad on or spirit on. 581 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.480 There was a lot made at the time. 582 00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:36.300 I remember that we were going to see Dalek's... 583 00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:39.599 Every time Dalek was going to be there and we saw the special weapons dark. 584 00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:42.480 But apart from that, I didn't really get the impression you saw very many. 585 00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:55.380 But what I thought was disappointing is when we're going into intensive care, which were the Daleks that had survived the doctor, and they're from places that Todd mentioned, they're all just the RTD era daleks. 586 00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:02.639 That was the opportunity to have the retro looking Daleks from all the places and I just thought that was disappointing. 587 00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:04.500 So he decides. 588 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.380 I think Moffat decides that that didn't quite be bothered by then. 589 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:15.719 No, no, because he does it properly in the series 9 opener. and has a whole heap of well lit. 590 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.139 Daleks from the films and stuff like that. 591 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:20.880 Could have been a budget time thing. 592 00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:22.980 I just think that... 593 00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:25.679 Someone had a special weapons dialogue in their garage. 594 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.440 Yeah, Andrew Beach could not be bothered. 595 00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:36.300 I just think it's, let's do Dalek things and have things that look very daleky because that's really all he cares about the Daleks. 596 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.659 I mean, the Daleks didn't turn people into Daleks very much before. 597 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:41.699 I guess... revelation. 598 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.139 Is the M1 name. 599 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.659 Yeah, most of them, they just want to conquer and destroy. 600 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.780 They're normally too racist to turn you into a dalek, I think. 601 00:38:48.900 --> 00:39:02.400 Oh, I guess the humans were sifted and filleted and stuff in parting of the ways where we learn that the Daleks have been created through humans because there weren't enough Daleks around or whatever. 602 00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:18.179 In fact, there's, there are more instances where the using humans as Daleks goes horribly wrong with like the human factor in evil and um, and then uh, the, the, the Dalek, the new paradigm, not the new paradigm, the new um, the guy in evolution of the Daleks. 603 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:19.500 Yeah, yeah, Dalek sex. 604 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:20.280 Dalek sex, yeah. 605 00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:21.420 Makes sense. 606 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:22.920 We're post-emperor Dalek. 607 00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:25.679 We've seen the purity factor. 608 00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:31.559 I'm trying to remember the name of that little Easter egg that they cart about with them in the tobacco. 609 00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:33.360 Yeah, yeah. 610 00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:35.579 There's some nice, if you want to get fanboy about it. 611 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:41.579 There's some nice meta concepts of what the Daleks are proposing to be doing now and they have no longer have a god. 612 00:39:41.699 --> 00:39:43.440 Yeah, they have a parliament. 613 00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:44.280 They have, yeah. 614 00:39:51.480 --> 00:40:01.139 Going back to the whole final reveal. that she's a Dalek and the horror on Matt's face, all of that sequence. 615 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.679 It's so heartbreaking and then just seeing her, the flashbacks to her. 616 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.500 Yeah, getting transformed. very powerful. 617 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.860 So we actually don't see what Matt sees for a while. 618 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:11.760 Do we? 619 00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:15.059 Like it's, we see his reaction before we see what his reaction. 620 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:16.139 I think we know what he's saying. 621 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:17.280 Yes, I think we do. 622 00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:19.320 But it's nice that they delay it. 623 00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:24.900 And before then, he has actually fixed Amy and Rory's marriage. 624 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:27.000 And he has done it deliberately. 625 00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:38.340 So when Amy 1st meets the doctor and and the doctor questions her about what happened and she says this isn't a thing that you can fix. 626 00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:40.380 You worry about the Daleks. 627 00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:41.400 This is not your thing. 628 00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:51.480 And then she also suggests that when the doctor fixes a problem, he's going to straighten his bow tie and sort of saunter off. there's that wonderful moment, isn't there? 629 00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:58.860 And it's beautifully directed where he leaves the 2 of them alone and he walks past security cameras. 630 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.719 Well, yeah, yeah, he leaves them alone. 631 00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:07.019 He actually taken his bracelet off and put it on Amy, which he could have done that earlier. 632 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.239 I don't know why I was thinking that myself. 633 00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:10.440 Maybe, uh, whatever. 634 00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:15.480 Maybe maybe he doesn't know that he's not going to be affected or it's kind of like I'm at the end game here. 635 00:41:15.539 --> 00:41:16.679 I can go without it for a bit. 636 00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:23.699 And then they're doing this sort of self-sacrifice thing and Rory saying, oh, it's the love, isn't it? 637 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:28.860 To turn you into a dalek, they drive out love and introduce anger into you. 638 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:34.679 And so Rory says, well, you're going to turn into a dalek before me because I love you more than you love me. 639 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:39.719 And she, you know, break, anyway, the whole thing sort of is resolved. 640 00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:46.380 And then, yes, the doctor Saunders passed a security camera and looks into it and then straightens. 641 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:47.699 It's so good. 642 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.500 Talking about the bracelet thing, actually. 643 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:57.719 It is a little flaw, which is sort of brought up at that moment where because it's brought up that the doctors slipped to her onto her wrist. 644 00:41:57.780 --> 00:42:00.900 It's like, well, actually, why didn't they share them around? 645 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.139 Why didn't they all have a turn for a little bit 10 minutes without without it? 646 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.840 This goes back to Belladabet as well. 647 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.719 So there's a similar thing with the glove and the mirrors. 648 00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:12.059 I suspect he's lifted it from that. 649 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:22.320 I think it's a little bit like the doctor's plan in Destiny of the Daleks to give Romana. the beeper that tells her when to take the pills but not any of the actual pills. 650 00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:25.380 Because that's just how Tom Roll. 651 00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:29.039 Yeah, things are not going well. 652 00:42:29.099 --> 00:42:31.440 Baker Ward household. 653 00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:33.119 Yes. 654 00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:36.119 She looks like she's got plenty of anti-radiation gloves, doesn't she? 655 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:50.579 They're going back to Amy and Rory in that whole sequence with them resolving and getting back together, I think, as much as I don't like necessarily some of the dialogue and that sort of thing, I think they sell the hell out of it. 656 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.159 They're both extraordinary sequence. 657 00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:56.159 It even always brought me to tears. 658 00:42:56.219 --> 00:42:57.659 Yeah, Arthur is so good. 659 00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:58.380 No, I know. 660 00:42:58.380 --> 00:43:01.019 And we've not diminished Karen, but Arthur is amazing. 661 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.400 And we've had 2 years with them where the show has been focussed on their relationship. 662 00:43:05.460 --> 00:43:07.800 We're really invested in it and it's good. 663 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:09.059 It works properly, I think. 664 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:21.539 I think it's really interesting that the audience appreciation for this episode was 89, like one of the highest season openers ever, like in terms of audience, liking things. 665 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:26.699 And when you look at it all, like it's Daleks and it's human Daleks and it's a whole heap of... 666 00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:27.780 And you can understand what's going on. 667 00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:30.539 If I may venture then. 668 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:31.800 Yes. 669 00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:33.539 Yeah, you can understand what's going on. 670 00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:42.480 And the audience is obviously invested in this team, you know, and they obviously know that Jenna's coming and she gives them one a performance. 671 00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:45.119 It's just incredible that they like it even more than I like. 672 00:43:45.179 --> 00:43:49.380 Well, the average punzer wouldn't necessarily know that she's going to be the companion moving on, but the point is they love her. 673 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:50.340 She's so brilliant, yeah. 674 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.340 Can I be perhaps needlessly cruel? 675 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:54.239 Yeah, please. 676 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.460 There's no such thing as needlessly cruel, apparently. 677 00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:57.539 Only needlessly kind. 678 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.019 Is anyone getting sick by now? 679 00:44:01.139 --> 00:44:03.840 of Nick Briggs' Dalek voices. 680 00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:05.219 Oh, wow. 681 00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.320 Controversial. 682 00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:10.920 Look, I think he starts brilliantly in the new series. 683 00:44:10.980 --> 00:44:20.280 He has a perfect undeniable understanding of Dalek inflections and all that happening on the kind of the various amateur things over the years, you know, back in the day. 684 00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:23.579 Well, he does Peter Hawkings and David Graham impersonations. 685 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:24.659 Like, he got to sell. 686 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:29.880 Yeah, and he's got he's able to do the, you know, the high fast one and then the loo-sloo one. 687 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.320 He totally... 688 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:40.079 But I wonder whether it's starting to become almost a parody of his own performance and a parody and a mocking of that style of thing. 689 00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:41.940 Is anyone feeling that? 690 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:55.920 I kind of, even though, yeah, he does do the modulations, I'm kind of looking for a 2nd person to be doing the voices as well. and you get a bit more variety then, it's not just the fact that there's one voice, and I think that's important for consistency. 691 00:44:55.980 --> 00:45:01.199 But, you know, the funny thing about the new series is whilst we can have new doctors and new companions and new theme tunes and new everything. 692 00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:05.639 The 2 things we can't seem to have are new Dalek voices and new incidental music. 693 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.000 Succession planning. 694 00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:10.559 There's no succession planning. 695 00:45:10.619 --> 00:45:12.300 It would be lovely to have somebody else doing it. 696 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.059 I mean, this is why I could only give this story 7.8 out of 10. 697 00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.260 7.8. 698 00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:18.239 Where did it lose the .2? 699 00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:20.460 Well, 7.8 to 8 out of 10. 700 00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:23.280 Right. 78 out of 100. 701 00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:26.340 No, I think it's good. 702 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:27.179 I think it's good. 703 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:27.900 But I do agree with you. 704 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:33.420 Like, we do get to a point where it's sort of like, we need a 2nd voice in there just for difference, I think. 705 00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:37.139 I think the thing that Nicks Briggs, Nicks Briggs. 706 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.460 Nick's Brigg. 707 00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:40.019 The thing. 708 00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:43.619 Briggs very proud of that, Nick. 709 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.199 He's very proud of that. 710 00:45:46.260 --> 00:45:49.139 The thing that Nick Briggs brings to it. 711 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:51.000 Chap with wings. 712 00:45:51.059 --> 00:46:01.860 Yeah. is, is that he does the dialect voices perfectly and then makes them express emotions, which they have never done before. 713 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:03.900 And so in Dalek. 714 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.559 Well, I mean, they've done hysterical and panicky idiot and stuff. 715 00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:13.619 But, you know, the way that that performance in Dalek is a proper acting performance. 716 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:21.599 And so by now, year, you know, 7 or whatever, it's the same old thing. 717 00:46:21.659 --> 00:46:24.360 Oh, Nick is being sad, Dalek, we've heard this a lot before. 718 00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:25.739 Yeah, maybe it's that. 719 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.059 But I also wonder whether his performance is becoming too... 720 00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:31.079 Not by rote. 721 00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:32.219 It's not too rote. 722 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.619 It's just too parody. 723 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.559 Could you have had Jenna perform those lines? 724 00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:41.340 Well, that would have been interesting. 725 00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:43.260 I mean, we have had a female... 726 00:46:43.260 --> 00:46:43.980 With a voice treatment. 727 00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:51.840 With a voice treatment. interesting to see how that sounded, that might make it too obvious, but we only hear the voice, don't we, after we know that it's Clara? 728 00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:53.219 Oh, I see what you mean. 729 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:54.420 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 730 00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:55.079 Yes, yes. 731 00:46:55.139 --> 00:47:10.199 But also in Stephen's writing, maybe that's why he introduces these human like daleks to have different voices for just to break it up a bit rather than just having dialects, having the human people be dalek like and those emotions just to give a bit of variation. 732 00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:18.900 Oh, yeah, that's why, you know, the best Dalek stories always have the human surrogates, whether it's, you know, Nider and Davros or Lytton or the robo man. 733 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.840 I mean, I think there are just so many great things about the episode. 734 00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:24.780 Jenna in particular and the overall plot revealing her to be a Dalek. 735 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:25.980 It's not just that, though. 736 00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.380 I think it's the production style, as Nathan was said earlier. 737 00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.380 All the regulars are on form, which they always are. 738 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.179 This team, I found. 739 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:38.039 But there are just those few things that annoy me and I think they annoy me more because everything else is so good. 740 00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:42.000 You know, I don't like the idea of the palm of the Daleks. 741 00:47:42.059 --> 00:47:42.599 It just for show. 742 00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:43.739 It just doesn't make any sense. 743 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:44.760 It's just a bit stupid. 744 00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:50.579 The ice stalk's popping out of people's head, as I've said, is I find it just almost unforgivably embarrassing. 745 00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:57.780 But, you know, whatever, you know, there are always things that one regrets about a Doctor Who episode. 746 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:07.079 Overall, I think it's an excellent, and Todd, what you're saying about the audience appreciation, I think it does indicate this is what people want and I think they should have it. great. 747 00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:08.579 It's a really solid episode. 748 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:19.260 And like you, I have niggly things like the whole Amy and Rory relationship is, and that structure forced upon us is the one thing that, for me, even now. 749 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:26.099 Like, I sit there going, okay, I get it, but it's just that little thing that takes away everything else. is just wonderful generally. 750 00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:27.840 I disagree with you about the eye stalks. 751 00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:29.159 I just like to see that. they're awesome. 752 00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:29.940 More of those. 753 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.559 I think it's sort of criminally underrated. 754 00:48:34.619 --> 00:48:35.699 I think people don't like it. 755 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.280 I don't. you think they don't like it or they just don't remember it? 756 00:48:38.340 --> 00:48:40.800 Well, no, I think that there are people who actively don't like it. 757 00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:46.019 But I actually think that it's really sort of solid and scary and entertaining. 758 00:48:46.139 --> 00:48:46.980 Does a good job. 759 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:48.000 Very solid piece of television. 760 00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:48.300 Yeah. 761 00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:49.500 I agree. 762 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:59.340 It's a very good opener for the season and it asks more questions than it answers, but not in a way that excludes us from the narrative. 763 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.159 It just invites us to enjoy it more. 764 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:07.320 And it's lovely at the end when Jenna turns to the camera and just says, and remember. 765 00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:08.639 Yeah, so good. 766 00:49:08.699 --> 00:49:11.699 I really wanted her to be doing her own Dalek voice, though. 767 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:13.139 I thought what an end. 768 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:18.059 Not only do you die horribly in the realisation that your life is artificial, but your voice is by Nick Briggs. 769 00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:47.579 Well, hey, listener, that's all we have time for this week. 770 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:53.280 We'll be back next week for a genocidal Silurian romp in dinosaurs on a spaceship. 771 00:49:53.340 --> 00:50:12.900 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook, at FTE Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody Interterterra, maximum power, and untitled Star Trek project. 772 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:19.139 Until next time, remember that you can't make a souffle if you've forgotten to bring your egg whisk. 773 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.360 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 774 00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:22.440 See you soon. 775 00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:25.500 Bye for now eggs. eggs. 776 00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:35.159 That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley, Simon, Moore and Richard Stone. 777 00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:37.500 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 778 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:44.159 This episode, unblocking the sync, was recorded on the 13th of March, 2022 and released on the 10th of April. 779 00:50:44.280 --> 00:51:05.340 To commemorate Doctor Who's Series 7 premiere, FTE Enterprises is releasing a totally non-infringing angry robot playsuit, consisting of a tricycle, a bowler hat, an egg whisk, and a sink plunger, together with a lifetime supply of cream of tartar, available Christmas 2022 for kids of all ages, so long as the warehouse doesn't burn down. 780 00:51:06.420 --> 00:51:10.860 Well, a lot has happened since the last episode of Flight for Entirety. 781 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.880 Simon and his husband have discovered that they count... 782 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.260 Tag. 783 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:16.920 Sorry. 784 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.159 I wish they you... 785 00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:24.360 I actually can conceive children instead of cannot. 786 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:27.300 Sorry. 787 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:33.420 A lot has happened since the last episode of Flight through Entirety. 788 00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:40.619 Simon and his husband have discovered that they cannot conceive children, and both Todd and Richard aren't speaking to me for some reason. 789 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:44.159 Is this the sort of thing that Doctor Who can fix? 790 00:51:44.219 --> 00:51:48.360 Let's find out as we visit the asylum of the Daleks. 791 00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:50.519 Is that all right? 792 00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:51.659 It's gorgeous. 793 00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.219 Marigold. 794 00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:54.719 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 795 00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:58.500 You've had a lovely cadence and a slight sibilance at the end, which I actually enjoy. 796 00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:02.099 Just a very slight... 797 00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:05.280 Just worried where you were heading until I realised where you were heading. 798 00:52:05.340 --> 00:52:05.639 Yeah. 799 00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.519 And Todd and Rich and I thought, no, no, Ash won't like this. 800 00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:13.980 They could have sat Todd and his husband, but, um, All right. 801 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.659 How do we start this? 802 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.099 I'm really disturbed by this Ronald McDonald. 803 00:52:20.099 --> 00:52:21.960 Handler, by thing in front of me. 804 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.360 It's a shrine. 805 00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:26.219 Well, there's a Sesame Street over there. 806 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.000 So many things. 807 00:52:27.059 --> 00:52:29.639 Big bird. many physical objects. 808 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.559 What I really want is the total destruction of all spatial objects. 809 00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:39.119 I'm like swarming as you. 810 00:52:41.699 --> 00:52:44.219 Does the doctor know you're out this later? 811 00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.940 It sounds like 60s doctor who died. 812 00:52:48.059 --> 00:52:48.719 He does. 813 00:52:48.780 --> 00:52:51.239 You must destroy all living matter. 814 00:52:55.980 --> 00:53:00.840 So we're back for what is a bit of a weird year of Doctor Who, I think. 815 00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:02.400 Yes, the weirdest, perhaps.