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Hello, De, listen, welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who podcast with an inexhaustible supply of milk.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Simon.

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And I'm Nina, your meta powdered egg protein supplement for this

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one.

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Well, a lot has happened since the last episode of Flight through

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Entirety.

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Simon and his husband have discovered that they cannot conceive

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children, and both Todd and Richard aren't speaking to me for some

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reason.

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Is this the sort of thing that Doctor Who can fix?

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Let's find out as we visit the asylum of the Daleks.

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So we're back for what is a bit of a weird year of Doctor Who, I

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think.

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Yes, the weirdest, perhaps.

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Do you think?

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Well, certainly, it's not really one year.

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It's sort of 2 years, really.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And we've kind of decided, I think, to drop the serialisation.

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So we don't quite have a big arc in the same sense that we did

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last year.

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And I have a theory it's because Stephen Moffat always reacts

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against what he did the previous year.

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And do you have how lucky we were?

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Do you think?

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Well, I just watched Flux, haven't I?

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What could have been?

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Yeah, but it's nice to sort of go back to a series of completely

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self-contained episodes.

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It's a change.

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Why not do that, given that we've had 2 like that.

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But I also like the factor, it's interesting that there's a large

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gap of time, not just between this episode and the previous

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episode, but also between each episode from now, really.

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Yeah, there's like 10 months between this episode and the next one

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according to Amy. from her points of view.

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And so that's the other thing that's happening here, is that we

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have part-time companions for the 1st time.

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We have kind of companions who go on trips and then go home for a

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bit and then go on another trip and stuff.

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This feels like, I don't, I'd like to talk about how you received

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Rory and Amy at the beginning of this at the time and now.

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So I'm really interested in everyone's opinions, but I'm feeling

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as to umbrella it.

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This feels very much informed by the new adventures.

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We were just talking about one of Codleman's beautiful books.

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They're all beautiful, but the characterisations and the acrimony

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and also the separation in time thing feels very new adventures.

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It's also like normal television in a way.

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Like, you know, Well, there's often a gap between seasons.

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We come back to, you know, series two, episode one. and some time

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has passed and the relationships between the characters have

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changed a little bit and we spend the 1st episode kind of looking

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into that.

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I mean, that's sort of because in sort of normal American

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television.

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You know, the last episode went out in June and the next one's

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going out in September and so they have to move time forward in

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order to get to the Christmas episode.

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I have to say, and I know that this isn't a popular opinion, but I

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like what happens to Amy and Rory in the inter, not interregnum

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but in the interval between the 2 seasons, the fact that they have

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a, well, that they're breaking up.

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I mean, it starts with Rory delivering divorce papers.

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Does this have anything to do with the fact that we are

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broadcasting live from Oswin's crucible?

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Looking around the room of stuff.

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Yes, this is...

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FTE Studios is a place where I like to retire to and make...

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But Richard, which one of us is Oswald?

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all are today.

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Well, we will get to Oswin, because I do think that that is a

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really clever and surprising thing to have happened.

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Do you remember the shock you felt?

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Yeah. saw her. they kept it so well.

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I was debating that with Brian when we were watching it the other

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day as to, did we remember?

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Did we know who she was when we were watching this?

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She's been in the magazine.

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Be in the next, so we knew she was car.

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She knew we knew she was cast and I remember the shock at, 0 my

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goodness, what is going on?

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She's in this.

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Did they kind of fudge it and sort of say, oh, well, you know, she

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was so good in this.

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We then decided to cast her as the companion.

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Was it like that?

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No, no, no.

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It was always intentional.

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So it is part of, so I know it was intentional, but was that the

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kind of the cover story they gave us?

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So I think there are 2 loose arcs in series 7 or at least in the

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beginning and end of series 7.

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So the series 7 A arc is Amy and Rory's relationship, which is why

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we start with them broken up, and the series 7 B arc is obviously

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about Clara.

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That's the Golga French and mark.

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Yeah, the BR.

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Where all of us are.

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Me anyway.

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Yeah, I teach a dead language to rich children, I'm essentially.

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Have we wiped these marks?

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I just want to check.

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So this kind of introduces that that 7BR, who the hell is Clara?

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Why is this person that we saw at the casting call taking

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publicity photos with Matt Smith?

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Why is she here already?

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But only the audience knows.

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Yes.

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Not the doctor, not Amy, not Rory.

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Of course it's very cleverly written in that the doctor never sees

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her.

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Of course.

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So he only hears her voice.

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He never actually gets to see her.

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What sort of name is Oswin?

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Can I just ask that?

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Like, like, I don't even know the origin of the name.

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Like I've never heard it before.

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Like, you know, you can have old English ladies names, but I'd

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never heard of this.

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Like it just seems so...

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It just seems so random, you know, and I guess we'll talk about

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the Clara arc later on.

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I don't know if at this point Steven's got it fully in his mind

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what he wants to do with that.

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isn't there?

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I think we need to look at Moffatt's early schoolboy diaries and

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discover who she actually is.

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Well, she does later on, I think, as Clara say something like

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Clara Oswald for the win or something.

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There is some dialogue, which suggests that that's where the name

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comes from.

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And obviously, like the mystery is enhanced by the fact that she's

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not Clara.

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We know that this character is going to be called Clara, the press

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release and the whole thing has already happened.

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So I think it just adds an extra layer, who the hell is this?

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And I think that that is really great.

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But let's go into it a little bit later.

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Let's get back to Amy and Rory's marriage.

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How did you feel about it breaking down between seasons, Todd?

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I was not impressed at all.

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I really hated it at the time.

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I just thought this is a plot device.

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We've made a decision to keep them on his companions for a bit

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longer.

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And so we need some sort of hook.

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And I certainly think with what happens to them in 5 episodes time

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I think, especially when it talks about that she can't have

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children, I just think that's really nasty.

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I still think it's really nasty and awful.

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I can see now, having rewatched it, the whole dynamics and to give

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the doctor something to fix.

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We've talked about this, Nathan.

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But I still feel like it's something in the episode that just

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doesn't sit well with me.

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I just, I've mentioned in the last few episodes.

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I really like the fact that they were sort of being let go by the

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doctor and they're right out at the end of the last season and now

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it's sort of like, well, how do we get them back in?

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Like, because quite frankly, it's very generous of the Daleks to

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go and get them and bring them to be with the doctor because he

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needs his companions out of, you know, some sort of structural

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need of the story.

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Did we need to actually have that extra layer in there, right?

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We could have had them separated, which they are for the most

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thing, but it's sort of like Stephen needs to have some colour in

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the relationship.

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If they were just together and separated, you wouldn't have all of

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that sort of interplay.

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So I think from a structural point of view, I have problems with

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it.

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It's sort of like a means to an end, right?

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But it doesn't stop my enjoyment of the episode and I liked it a

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lot more this time.

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What do you think of it, Simon?

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Well, leaving aside that I probably would have preferred the Amy

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and Rory thing to have been wrapped up at the end of the previous

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season because it was so beautifully done and neat.

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I just went with it when it came on.

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I thought, oh, yes, okay, so we're, we've got relationship

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problems.

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We're doing you win exactly.

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We're doing this now, because essentially it's resolved by the end

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of the episode anyway.

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I mean, he goes back inside the house and.

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But I just thought it was unnecessary.

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No, fair enough.

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And I just, I guess that the biggest thing for me, Simon, is the

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whole, she can't have kids.

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Yeah, right?

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to try and make all that happened last season even worse.

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Well, interestingly, she says she can't have kids.

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What she should have said is she can't have any more kids.

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They actually have a daughter.

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And it's kind of a bit rude.

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It's like we're now deleting River song.

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Like she doesn't count anymore.

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I know they didn't get to raise her as a child in the traditional

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sense, but it was nice the way it resolved at the end of the

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previous season with River arriving and River calling her mother

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and all that sort of stuff.

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I get it.

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I get that you don't like that and that's fair enough.

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I just feel with Todd that maybe with Simon as well, I wanted some

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continuity and characterisation.

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I understand that Mr. Moffatt finds that narcissistic sociopathic

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women very attractive.

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I, however, found that really on the nose at the time.

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And I still now I just find it unnecessary.

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It's an artificial point to raise drama where I don't think it

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needs to be.

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I expect more emotional summary.

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I expect more emotional intelligence from these characters

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certainly seeing where we've been before.

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That's a great point.

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More emotional intelligence because I really felt that they were

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in such a great place.

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And their relationship was so strong that they could never

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actually get to this and I just don't quite buy it.

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And they also look just so glamorous now.

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And so well grew.

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Rory's wearing great clothes.

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Yeah, so gray hair.

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But yeah, no, I think that's the perfect point.

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It is the fact that I don't buy the fact that we're here already

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given the love between them.

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No, you're going to get to this point where you're divorcing maybe

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12 months later.

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No way.

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And so it's I don't buy it.

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I think it's it's lazy.

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I think that it's unpleasant to watch because we love them and

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we've been rooting for them for 2 years.

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I think that that's a problem.

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I do think, though, this episode is barely about the Daleks at

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all.

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It's not particularly interested in Daleks.

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Best Dialect stories are barely about the Dialect.

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Yeah, no, I agree. complaining.

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Did you mention the chase?

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But it is interesting that Stephen doesn't really ever want to

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write Daleks necessarily, even cyber them up to this point because

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all we've had is back in series, end of series five, a dalek in

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that final episode, right?

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Going around.

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He hasn't written really any other dalek Dalek things.

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And here.

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And I think it's in his writing.

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He always wants to do different things with them.

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Like we've got the human dalek thing, which is different, you know

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with the unfortunate.

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Oh, okay.

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And with the cyberman, like back in again, series five, that one

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cyberman.

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But he was doing something different with that side and with, you

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know, down in the um, under stone hinge, like how it sort of was

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going to eject its skull and take over Amy.

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That was something different.

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He's not interested in doing the cybermen or the Daleks, as we

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know.

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It's always different thing.

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And here we've got the human daleks and we're not, we've got the

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Oswin dalek.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. egg and we're not really interested too much in

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the new paradigm daleks, which have now been shunted off to one

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memory hold.

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You know, with the Parliament and the Prime Minister and all of

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the Russell T Daleks there.

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Yeah.

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So I think that the Amy and Rory relationship breakdown does 2

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good things, which is that it gives us more consequences for the

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things of series 6, which we sort of complained about before.

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Like Amy undergoes this horrific torture and then is off on a

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jolly adventure the next week and that's a problem.

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So it makes those events have more consequences.

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And it's a baseline because the thing that we're going to see is a

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relationship that is much more mature and has weathered a lot of

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stuff.

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And what we actually find here is, I think, Rory and Amy growing

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up to the point where the doctor kind of realises that they don't

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really need him anymore.

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And that culminates in Amy's big decision at the end of Angels

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Take Manhattan.

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She doesn't need the doctor anymore, but she does need Rory.

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And so giving that relationship a bit more history, taking it from

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something that is, you know, the very beginning of a marriage

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where they're all sort of totally into one another, into a sort of

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more solid domestic relationship, I think is a good thing.

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Just shaking my head because every time I say something about how

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I dislike this and how it's not any good.

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You then come up with all these wonderful voices to say the

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consequences of this and there's so much payoff and there's

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actually really good things coming out of something that I don't.

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You know, I acknowledge that it's unpleasant to watch.

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I think it is unpleasant to watch.

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And what, like, Simon and Richard said about it, like, I thought

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it was a very TV writer.

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And I suppose that's why I just accept it and move on because I

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know that they do things in TV which aren't real. especially in a

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program like this.

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But yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, I think I agree.

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So, let's go back to Oswin then.

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And the big question is, I remember this.

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Do you remember this at the time, Richard?

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I thought that she had had an egg whisk in her hand at some

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point?

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remember that as well.

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But it doesn't happen, does it?

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And I think we, it so should have happened that we just imagine

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that it happened.

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Well, because like a 60s dialect sometimes have egg whisks on...

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Well, she's making souffles.

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And she's a dalek.

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And they don't have a scene where she has an egg whisk in her

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hand.

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They're only in the they're always in the oven.

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See, flaves are always in the oven.

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Whilst unblocking the sink with the right hand.

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Yeah.

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Mr. trick.

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It would have been so good.

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I love the plumbing. pardon the pun of Grim Fairy stories for this

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one.

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I want to talk a bit about metas.

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That's a thing that we now live in, Mr. Zuckerberg.

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Did anyone else pick up all of that?

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They're really ploughing the Grimm's fairy stories and not just

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Oswin being the sleeping beauty who slept for a year in this case

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but in the sepulchra of her own lovely imaginings.

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But, um, my favourite moment visually in this.

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And I think it's beautifully shot and so well lit.

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And it's so well directed that this one.

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I think that's really why it works because I think we're all

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probably thinking along the same lines.

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It's actually kind of a thin story.

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And there's a lot of very artificial TV jerks to get the things to

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happen the way that they happen.

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And it's not just Amy and Rory.

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It's really all of the incidents and I find the Parliament of

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Daleks, as Greg Miller said, are delightful carols by

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candlelight.

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I would have loved to have been there.

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But there's a lovely, my favourite moment is when Amy is delirious

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and looks out and says they're just people.

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Oh, there's a lonely sequence.

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It's gorgeous.

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And you know where it's lifted from?

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And I had another look.

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It's cocktail.

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Jean cocktails, belle la bet, you know, the 1946 film, 47 film

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with Jean Marais.

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Again, lit the same way, the mere lighting and deliberately so.

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And just the way that reality layers into fantasy.

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I was like, where have I seen all this before?

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And that kind of language soupy density atmosphere.

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I feel as if the air is thicker on the planet.

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I also love the descent onto the ice planes and that the young man

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who they meet is wearing camo gear that's white.

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It just looks spectacular.

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Yeah, looks very nice.

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So it's Nick Curran again.

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So girl who waited God complex. and he is absolutely maybe the

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best director of the Moffat era.

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Certainly it's the visual style consistent. full throughout.

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He's really good.

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I think this is less showy than those.

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Yes, it's definitely less showy.

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But I, actually, it's interesting that you mentioned the girl who

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waited because, Richard, you sort of suggest that the plot's a bit

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thin or the story has been thin.

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Well, you see, for me, it feels like the kind of plot that you

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need in what is a 45 minute self-container.

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I brought it up in that episode, the girl who waited as well, in

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that the floor of some modern episodes is that they're trying to

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do an old style 4 parter in 45 minutes.

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And so you all rush through all this stuff and then it's over.

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Whereas this and the girl who waited are good examples of how much

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content you need, and the kind of story you need, to take you

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through a 45 minute episode, and get all the nice stuff in that

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you want, like, you know, Amy's sequence where she's hallucinating

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the people, which is quite gorgeous.

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You do actually need to let the actors and the artists involved

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with the directors, the lighting crew, the designers, to have

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scope to create a narrative that isn't just on the page.

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So, yeah.

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I mean, I think this is fundamentally about Rory and Amy's

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relationship and about Clara.

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And I don't think the Daleks...

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That's actually good Yeah, it's like making sourdough.

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It's a bit spooky, though.

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Yeah, I think the Daleks are something that Moffat isn't

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interested in beyond their mere iconography.

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And so he doesn't care about the history of the Daleks

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particularly.

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He doesn't want to create a Dalek story where Daleks do Dalek

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things.

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He wants to just use the imagery in a story.

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And so there is essentially no Dalek story here.

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It's just, you know, the Dalek send him down a thing.

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He wanders around for a while.

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He finds Oz when.

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He beams back and then escapes.

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You know, there's not really that much Dalek business.

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And the new Dalek thing where they have the eye stalk and the gun

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both of which are iconic Dalek things bursting out of people's

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heads absolutely makes no sense.

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So Daleks can do that now.

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They can just be people with sort of guns coming out of their

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hands, but it is using Dalek imagery in a new way and that's what

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he's interested in.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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I just don't like it though.

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I think it's twee and looks awful and it's a bit embarrassing.

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I find it a bit embarrassing.

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I like the concept of the people being taken over by the Daleks

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but through the nano bots or whatever they are.

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I love the, well, but effectively it's like a modern take on the

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Roberman.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's people being taken over by the dogs.

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I just think the ice stock coming out of the forehead in

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particular, it just makes me cringe.

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But I like that grotesqueness.

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It's not the grotesqueness. cringing because I think it's just

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it's like, what the hell does that mean?

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What is that about?

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Why is that necessary?

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I liked it actually when, I can't remember the character's name

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but the woman that's in the pre-credit sequence with Matt.

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Later when she's in the Parliament of the Dalek ship.

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She's just got more of a blue glow up there rather than the ice

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talk up there.

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I think that's nice.

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That's kind of suggests there's something implanted in your brain

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or growing in your brain.

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And even the gun coming out of the hand is...

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I saw coming out of the forest and it happens several times in the

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future and I just go, please, why did that?

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I love the bus driver.

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Remember when Rory gets on the bus?

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But that doesn't make any sense.

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Why the bus?

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It makes sense to Amy's assistant.

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It's taken over by the Daleks because he's working with Amy every

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day.

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How do the Daxies know that Rory's going to get on that exact

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bus?

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But it's so good.

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They take over all the bus drivers.

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They do.

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You don't actually see it happen, do you?

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You just see him looking scary in the bus revision.

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Maybe there's a bit of a thing on the bubble on it. bubble of

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patters on his head, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, all of that stuff's just terribly fun.

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And it is, the trouble with the blue glow on the forehead is that

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it's subtle?

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Yes, it's not daleky enough.

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But I think keeping the Daleks as, as you say, as a motif, I think

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is when they are most successful for me, because Diaz has been

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brought up many times before, conversations between Daleks are

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tiresome.

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In the extreme, conversations between cybermen are tiresome, in

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the extreme.

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So you use them sparingly rather than en masse because of the fact

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that they are more interesting sparingly.

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Yeah.

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And they're great because they're frightening. creepy.

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They're creepy.

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Having, however, many bazillions of them CGI'd into the Parliament

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of the Daleks, is just, it's just for the fact that it's the

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opening episode.

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Yeah, it creates the pre-credits teacher and that's all that it's

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about.

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But talking of the parliament, I wouldn't understand some more

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because we do have a prime minister of the dialects.

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So is there a leader of the opposition?

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Do they have divisions?

491
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You know, is there a pairing system?

492
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So many questions.

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It's odd, isn't it?

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It's almost like he's kind of gesturing towards some kind of

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political point, but I don't know what it is.

496
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Yeah, yeah, it doesn't actually get developed.

497
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What was he trying to say?

498
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I don't know.

499
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Trying to remember what was happening when this was being

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written.

501
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You're right about the partisanship of the Darlings.

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I think it was just an excuse to have a lovely big rotunda, but it

503
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was also, I felt a little bit of a tiny Mick duration against our

504
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dear Russell's final episode for Eccleston's doctor.

505
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So the god emperor Dalek is now a Vaseline jar.

506
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Yeah.

507
00:23:44.940 --> 00:23:46.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

508
00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:47.519
So he's the prime minister.

509
00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:51.119
I mean, because Parliament's actually a good word because I can't

510
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:52.380
remember what animal...

511
00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:52.740
Owls.

512
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:53.759
Owls.

513
00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:54.299
There you are.

514
00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:56.700
So owls have a collective noun is a parliament.

515
00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:58.980
So I just thought it was maybe the collective noun have done it

516
00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:00.660
which is, which would be so good.

517
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:01.619
Which is fine.

518
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.359
But then they call the...

519
00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:04.920
I mean this is prime minister doesn't make any sense.

520
00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:06.539
But you know, who cares?

521
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:07.440
Yeah, yeah.

522
00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:10.619
It's been a while since we've had a non-evil Prime Minister of

523
00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:12.539
Great Britain and perhaps that's it.

524
00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.660
Maybe that's the point, but it doesn't seem like a very

525
00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:16.680
interesting point to make.

526
00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:19.259
And it's certainly not developed in any way.

527
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:19.980
So, you know.

528
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:23.460
I think he's more interested in the outcome at the end where

529
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:26.460
they're all just, they forget about the doctor, which has been an

530
00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:29.519
ongoing thing in the master episodes, which, of course, is

531
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:30.900
conveniently dropped after this.

532
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:32.759
No, it will come up again next week.

533
00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:33.900
Oh, okay.

534
00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:34.500
Yeah.

535
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:38.579
So that's that's a thing too, because we start with the doctor

536
00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:39.359
being dead.

537
00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:41.400
And so when he turns up on Skaro.

538
00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:42.180
And that's another thing.

539
00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.059
Moffatt isn't interested in the fact that the doctor blew up

540
00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:45.660
Scaro.

541
00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:46.319
He doesn't care.

542
00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:47.400
He's Scaro.

543
00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:49.680
We're going to be on Scaro because I literally don't care.

544
00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:50.640
A different point in time.

545
00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:51.839
Well, yeah, I suppose.

546
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:52.680
Well, the future.

547
00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:58.440
Where he's, he, no one knows who he is and he's disappeared.

548
00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:01.680
His his kind of his death has taken.

549
00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:02.940
People think he's dead.

550
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.640
Isn't that the implication of that conversation?

551
00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:10.140
Like he's surprised that whatever her name is knows about him or

552
00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:11.039
knows who he is.

553
00:25:11.099 --> 00:25:12.480
There is some reference to that.

554
00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:13.200
Yes.

555
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:18.240
But of course, the dalek's no, you know, him and they know his

556
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.599
companion's addresses and they know what bus Rory catches

557
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:21.960
obviously.

558
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.460
And then by the end of it, they've never heard of him.

559
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:32.400
But it's interesting that, you know, this has been like was a big

560
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:36.420
point at the end of last season and is here again and as you said

561
00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:36.839
next week.

562
00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:41.160
But after that, it seems to be somewhat dropped.

563
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.980
Well, I mean, I've said this before, but the show has done this

564
00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:44.279
before.

565
00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:50.099
At the end of World War III. the doctor gives a CD to Mickey with

566
00:25:50.099 --> 00:25:54.420
a computer virus on it that will wipe out all of the mentions of

567
00:25:54.420 --> 00:25:56.339
the doctor from the records and stuff.

568
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.460
There's always been this sort of weird thing.

569
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:00.720
Is the doctor famous or not?

570
00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:02.160
And then they bottle out of it.

571
00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:05.400
The thing that I find disappointing, because several times they've

572
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.799
done that, as I think I said, at the end of Wedding of River Song

573
00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:10.980
several times they've done that and they've always bottled out of

574
00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:11.099
it.

575
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:12.900
Not just in the new series, been the old series as well.

576
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:16.259
And I think they missed an opportunity on each occasion by not

577
00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:18.359
then running with it and doing a bit of a reset.

578
00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:19.140
Yeah.

579
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:19.680
Yeah.

580
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:22.259
I mean, you can always have the doctor just not be known in a

581
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:22.799
particular place.

582
00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:23.579
Exactly.

583
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:24.480
The universe is a big place.

584
00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:25.740
Yeah, so time is long.

585
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:26.759
Yeah, that's right.

586
00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:30.180
He could be famous if the story needs it and unknown if it

587
00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:30.539
doesn't.

588
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:31.319
Yeah.

589
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:34.500
I mean, even Chris Chibnall, who kind of tries to reset Doctor Who

590
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:39.059
to just be a traveller rather than a superhero, has her bragging

591
00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:41.759
about her backstory by about episode three.

592
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.579
So it doesn't take with him either.

593
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:48.180
I think it's a thing that Doctor Who has had to do ever since, what

594
00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:50.700
the savages occasionally is famous.

595
00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:10.619
I still want to talk a little bit more about Jenna.

596
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.980
I mean, she is doing an absolutely spectacular job.

597
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.019
She is one of the best things.

598
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:17.099
She is so good.

599
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.660
The delivery is fantastic.

600
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.380
And basically, I assume she's basically performing all of these

601
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:27.119
takes without anyone else there by herself with just some stage

602
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.519
hand reading off the other dialogue.

603
00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:31.019
She is so good.

604
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.740
And but when the credits finish and she suddenly is there in the

605
00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:37.200
red dress with Carmen going on in the background and the souffle

606
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:39.960
is coming out of the oven and she's got the little monologue.

607
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:43.380
That is such a great sequence and beautiful and it just suddenly

608
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:46.559
changes the tempo and style of the program almost.

609
00:27:46.619 --> 00:27:48.779
Like, I feel like I felt like at the time and I felt like watching

610
00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:51.359
it when I was watching it again the other day, how fresh it

611
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:51.900
suddenly was.

612
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.880
And she's so vibrant.

613
00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:55.140
She's such a vibrant person.

614
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:55.619
She's great.

615
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.200
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Jenna.

616
00:27:58.259 --> 00:28:00.180
I really, really like her performance.

617
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:04.319
I think she's charismatic, she's charming.

618
00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:08.279
I think she's a little bit more subtle and versatile maybe than

619
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:13.740
Karen, who we have quite a high opinion of, I think, after the

620
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:14.339
last few years.

621
00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:16.619
Looks at me.

622
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:20.279
Well, no, I've grown to love Karen, but straight away, I'm totally

623
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:21.720
drawn to Jenna.

624
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:23.099
She looks stunning.

625
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:30.119
Every piece of dialogue, every, every look to the camera or not

626
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.359
everything that she does in this episode is just sublime.

627
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.980
I get the feeling that she's had a lot more experience than

628
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:38.579
Karen.

629
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:40.500
Yeah, it may not be right.

630
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.380
Well, I mean, she was on Emmerdale for a few years.

631
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.400
So, I mean, she certainly cut her chops in having to do episode 8

632
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:47.819
television.

633
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.619
So she can come straight into something.

634
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.319
At a fast pace where you're doing a lot of shooting. television.

635
00:28:52.380 --> 00:28:56.400
She's also just very, very good at Moffatt's dialogue as well.

636
00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:59.039
Now, that's an interesting thing because I looked up when I wanted

637
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.259
to find out, did we know that she was going to be the companion

638
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:05.700
when it came out and I found a little kind of a factoid in there

639
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:09.000
that apparently one of the reasons Moffatt said he cast her was

640
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.839
because she could talk faster than Matt Smith and makes sense.

641
00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:14.579
And I think it works so well.

642
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.539
You get the sense that she, whether it's the actress or the

643
00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:22.440
character, she's keeping up with the doctor. almost like the way

644
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:22.980
River song does.

645
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:23.700
Yeah.

646
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.400
And I think she manages to do it with both doctors as well.

647
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.299
Like she absolutely holds her own against 2 different doctors

648
00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:30.900
during her run.

649
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.259
Yes, but I actually think that she's best in the Matt Smith

650
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:35.220
episodes.

651
00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:38.279
And I think she, the character works best with Matt.

652
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:41.220
And I think it's fine with Capaldi, but I think it may be just for

653
00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:45.299
me more the way they change the character developer character that

654
00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:48.900
I start to lose interest in her as we move into the Capaldi era

655
00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:50.039
but I think she's strongest at the start.

656
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:54.359
Yeah, I think we will complain about the way the character works

657
00:29:54.359 --> 00:30:01.019
because she does tend to be jerked around by whatever the...

658
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

659
00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:04.019
And that is a little bit of a problem.

660
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:09.299
But, you know, we used to, the classic series where, you know, the

661
00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:13.019
character has a paragraph long description and...

662
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:15.480
Computer programming, peace popping, that's right, and nothing

663
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.480
else, and the whole thing just relies on the actor's performance

664
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.400
and I think that's what's happening here.

665
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.680
The whole thing is tied together by Jenna's performance.

666
00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:25.980
It's funny that you mention that because, I mean, I'm jumping

667
00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:26.279
ahead.

668
00:30:26.339 --> 00:30:30.839
Like, we do get about 4 different Claras throughout the time, but

669
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.079
I also think if you look back in classic, you also get 3 different

670
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.740
Sarah Jane Smith, in my opinion, when you look at it, and it's

671
00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:40.019
Elizabeth Stadden, who holds that all together.

672
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.839
And here, I think again, with Jenna's performance is the thing

673
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:46.079
that holds Clara together throughout all of that.

674
00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:47.759
But I certainly agree with you, Simon.

675
00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:50.940
And I certainly think that, well, this is Oswald.

676
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.880
My favourite Clara is yet to come and she's only in one episode.

677
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:54.900
Yeah, right?

678
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.619
I wonder if that's the same one as mine.

679
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.180
I think it might be.

680
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:01.259
I think it might be.

681
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:05.339
But she's just a breath of fresh air in this.

682
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:09.480
And it says a lot about the writing and her performance and the

683
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.900
direction in the fact that she's trapped in this room and she's

684
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:16.380
been there, but you don't really think about that for a while.

685
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:20.279
You begin to question it, but then, whether it be the performance

686
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.339
of the dialogue or whatever, you then get distracted and it's only

687
00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:27.299
towards perhaps the last little for me anyway, the last 15 minutes

688
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:29.519
or so where you start to go, well, how does this actually work?

689
00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:32.460
Exactly, despite despite the fact that you know that she can't be

690
00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:33.599
there.

691
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:34.500
You just don't think it.

692
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.180
Well for me, you just don't think about it.

693
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.240
Despite all the hints that get dropped, it is still a terrible

694
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.660
shock and the station when it's revealed that she's a dalek at the

695
00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:42.839
end.

696
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:46.799
Because I think when you're watching a program like this, I'm

697
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.319
spotting things and then I'm kind of dismissing slash forgiving

698
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.200
them, thinking that either it's an error of production or it's

699
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.740
just they just stuffed up the writing or it was the wrong person

700
00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:56.579
on the wrong day.

701
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.420
And so even if it's flagged, it's still a surprise. for me.

702
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:03.180
So are you talking about the where does she get the milk for the

703
00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:03.779
souffle?

704
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:04.259
What is it from?

705
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.779
I think that's...

706
00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:07.680
Don't they have replicators?

707
00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:10.140
It's a throwaway gag, is it?

708
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:14.099
Like it's a joke and it looks like a meta joke about how Doctor

709
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:17.400
Who kind of doesn't make sense often about that kind of stuff.

710
00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:19.440
Like, none of us would have been...

711
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.440
Oh, I don't know, maybe people would be writing angry letters to

712
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.180
the production team about the milk problem.

713
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:25.319
It's like, where's the milk?

714
00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:25.799
Where are the eggs?

715
00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:26.400
Where everything else?

716
00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:27.900
What else are you eating?

717
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.480
Like basically that's why I thought it was just the running joke

718
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.059
because if she doesn't have milk, then she doesn't have anything

719
00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:33.420
else either.

720
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:37.140
But that's but that's how the doctor realises that this is not

721
00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:37.440
real.

722
00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:38.759
Like that's an important thing.

723
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:40.079
It's not just a throwaway line.

724
00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:41.400
He brings it up again.

725
00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:44.039
So I think that's really clever.

726
00:32:44.099 --> 00:32:46.859
She's like, what is she?

727
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:47.819
She's really smart.

728
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:52.319
She's super flirty with both the doctor and Rory, which I really

729
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:53.160
like, actually.

730
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:55.559
Yeah, no, it's gorgeous.

731
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.140
The nose and the chin.

732
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:04.140
But it's yet another female character that Moffat's created to

733
00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:06.539
insult and tease the doctor.

734
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:07.079
Yeah.

735
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.059
She's another Julie Solala.

736
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:10.200
Yeah, well that's right.

737
00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:14.460
He's always been trying to recreate Linda Day, hasn't he?

738
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.160
I think this is more like Julius Swala.

739
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:20.940
She even starts to dress like Linda Day a little bit as well.

740
00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:24.900
With sort of leggings and short skirts and stuff like that. like

741
00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:26.220
Linda ends up wearing.

742
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:31.019
Brendan Jones and I had a lovely Diana Rigg flashback when we 1st

743
00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:31.440
saw this.

744
00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:33.720
She's a modern day M appeal.

745
00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:34.440
Yeah.

746
00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:36.660
Yeah, she's pretty and smart and cool.

747
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:41.339
Yeah, I mean, not to belabour the point, but the hair, the dress

748
00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:45.539
the makeup, is all so elegantly sophisticated.

749
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.579
It's just lovely.

750
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.759
And even though she's in this little, what is supposed to be in

751
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.980
her mind, at least, an escape pod from the Alaska.

752
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:56.759
And she just looks so glamorous and fantastic and I buy it

753
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:57.180
completely.

754
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:58.140
Yeah, yeah.

755
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.079
And she has that thing about not being distressed by this

756
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.519
difficult situation that she's in, which is solution orientated.

757
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.980
All of us during lockdown.

758
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.420
Yeah, all of us here.

759
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:13.980
And in the absence of an egg whisk, what hints do we have apart

760
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:15.119
from where's the milk?

761
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:19.199
I guess there's a round porthole that she looks at through.

762
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:24.599
And there's, I think there might be other sort of semicircular... was

763
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:25.559
the 1st big giveaway.

764
00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:26.579
Yeah, yeah.

765
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.239
Yeah, that's right.

766
00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:27.780
That's right.

767
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:29.639
She speaks to the dog.

768
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.159
Very Star Wars, that I thought, that's something out of the snow.

769
00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:32.880
Yeah, yeah.

770
00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:34.500
In fact, all of that stuff is great.

771
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:35.639
We're in Spain, aren't we?

772
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:36.840
Oh is that where it is?

773
00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:37.800
Yeah, yeah.

774
00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:39.599
I'm in Spain It's awesomely beautiful.

775
00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:40.619
Yes, lovely.

776
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:41.880
Yeah amazing.

777
00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:42.900
And gloves.

778
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.639
Spanish gloves.

779
00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:48.719
Well, I think this episode and town called Mercy might be shot in

780
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:49.440
Spain as well.

781
00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:50.340
That's right in Spain.

782
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.019
Oh, tackled Mercy Spain, right?

783
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:52.679
Yeah, yeah.

784
00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:54.000
So the gunfighter?

785
00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:57.239
The gunfighters, in a studio set in Spain.

786
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.519
Time met.

787
00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:03.420
Well, it's not Spirit and Campbell, Iridius Falcon.

788
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:03.960
Excellent.

789
00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:08.699
I can say, yes, they pronounce spirit on wrong as well.

790
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.619
Inspiredon, but that's not what's said in the dialogue.

791
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.920
So Sylvester McCoy pronounces it Spiriton.

792
00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:17.639
Spirit on.

793
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.639
And so does, so does Jenna.

794
00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:22.019
She pronounces it Spiriton.

795
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.880
So that confirms my theory.

796
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:25.679
What are they saying, planet of the Dialects?

797
00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:26.940
They say spirad on.

798
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.539
So my theory is that John Pertwee mispronounces the names of all

799
00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:33.360
of these planets and...

800
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:34.380
Yeah that's right.

801
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:35.639
Like metabolis 3.

802
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:40.320
It really is metabolis 3 and per twig just mispronounced.

803
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:42.179
The balance of evidence, Planet of the Daleks is wrong.

804
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:43.199
Yes, clearly.

805
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:46.199
In other ways, so...

806
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.659
Go back to that.

807
00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:51.179
Previous comments about Dalek centric stories not being

808
00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:51.420
interesting.

809
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.420
What do you mean there's Bernard Horseful in?

810
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:54.900
that's true.

811
00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:06.480
You know all the hallucination, like of all the different Daleks

812
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.139
and their characters, like, is that in her mind or is that sort of

813
00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:13.320
showing us like these were the people behind these dialects?

814
00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:14.159
or the characteristics?

815
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:15.000
I think it's beautiful.

816
00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:17.159
I just, like, what's the imagery?

817
00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:18.239
What's the?

818
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.599
I got the impression that she is reading the Daleks as people

819
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.400
because she's becoming a dalek.

820
00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:26.159
And they all had their own little...

821
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:27.659
And that's who they were.

822
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:28.500
I don't know about that.

823
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.659
They're all from the 1920s or whatever.

824
00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:32.760
They're all kind of like it just, it is.

825
00:36:32.820 --> 00:36:34.320
We're all at a party.

826
00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:38.099
That's right, a lovely party. garden party in the 1920s.

827
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.639
No, I just think it's what Richard said.

828
00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:44.639
It's just an incredible piece of imagery.

829
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:46.800
In Beauty and the Beast.

830
00:36:46.860 --> 00:36:50.460
Bell has to put on a glove to pass through into the other universe

831
00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:53.099
which is a whole lot of other kink in it as well.

832
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:54.719
It's cocktail.

833
00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:58.500
And in here, of course, it's the nanites, but there's still that

834
00:36:58.500 --> 00:37:01.619
lovely sense if we pass into other realms and what is reality.

835
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:06.360
So it really has some little nods to film history and especially

836
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.679
to French romantic fantasy that is really, I suppose, cocktail

837
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:13.320
started, but anyway, 40s and early 50s just after the war.

838
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:18.360
There's that lovely sense of, which Stephen Moffatt does very well

839
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:22.019
of when he allows himself to indulge is we are not sure which

840
00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:22.980
reality we're in.

841
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:24.059
I really like that.

842
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:25.019
It should be that way.

843
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:25.860
It's Doctor Who.

844
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:26.820
Yeah.

845
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.820
Just going back to the references to the other planets, be they

846
00:37:29.820 --> 00:37:31.139
spirad on or spirit on.

847
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.480
There was a lot made at the time.

848
00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:36.300
I remember that we were going to see Dalek's...

849
00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:38.099
Every time Dalek was going to be there and we saw the special

850
00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:39.599
weapons dark.

851
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:42.059
But apart from that, I didn't really get the impression you saw

852
00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:42.480
very many.

853
00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:45.360
But what I thought was disappointing is when we're going into

854
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.420
intensive care, which were the Daleks that had survived the doctor

855
00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:53.340
and they're from places that Todd mentioned, they're all just the

856
00:37:53.340 --> 00:37:55.380
RTD era daleks.

857
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.400
That was the opportunity to have the retro looking Daleks from all

858
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.639
the places and I just thought that was disappointing.

859
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:04.500
So he decides.

860
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.260
I think Moffat decides that that didn't quite be bothered by

861
00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:07.380
then.

862
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.840
No, no, because he does it properly in the series 9 opener. and

863
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.719
has a whole heap of well lit.

864
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.139
Daleks from the films and stuff like that.

865
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:20.880
Could have been a budget time thing.

866
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:22.980
I just think that...

867
00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:25.679
Someone had a special weapons dialogue in their garage.

868
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.440
Yeah, Andrew Beach could not be bothered.

869
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:32.820
I just think it's, let's do Dalek things and have things that look

870
00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:36.300
very daleky because that's really all he cares about the Daleks.

871
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.420
I mean, the Daleks didn't turn people into Daleks very much

872
00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:39.659
before.

873
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:41.699
I guess... revelation.

874
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.139
Is the M1 name.

875
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.659
Yeah, most of them, they just want to conquer and destroy.

876
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.780
They're normally too racist to turn you into a dalek, I think.

877
00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:53.639
Oh, I guess the humans were sifted and filleted and stuff in

878
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:58.739
parting of the ways where we learn that the Daleks have been

879
00:38:58.739 --> 00:39:01.679
created through humans because there weren't enough Daleks around

880
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:02.400
or whatever.

881
00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:06.780
In fact, there's, there are more instances where the using humans

882
00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:10.500
as Daleks goes horribly wrong with like the human factor in evil

883
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:15.179
and um, and then uh, the, the, the Dalek, the new paradigm, not

884
00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:18.179
the new paradigm, the new um, the guy in evolution of the Daleks.

885
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:19.500
Yeah, yeah, Dalek sex.

886
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:20.280
Dalek sex, yeah.

887
00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:21.420
Makes sense.

888
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:22.920
We're post-emperor Dalek.

889
00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:25.679
We've seen the purity factor.

890
00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:28.199
I'm trying to remember the name of that little Easter egg that

891
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.559
they cart about with them in the tobacco.

892
00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:33.360
Yeah, yeah.

893
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:35.579
There's some nice, if you want to get fanboy about it.

894
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.360
There's some nice meta concepts of what the Daleks are proposing

895
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.579
to be doing now and they have no longer have a god.

896
00:39:41.699 --> 00:39:43.440
Yeah, they have a parliament.

897
00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:44.280
They have, yeah.

898
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:57.599
Going back to the whole final reveal. that she's a Dalek and the

899
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:01.139
horror on Matt's face, all of that sequence.

900
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.500
It's so heartbreaking and then just seeing her, the flashbacks to

901
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:04.679
her.

902
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.500
Yeah, getting transformed. very powerful.

903
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.860
So we actually don't see what Matt sees for a while.

904
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:11.760
Do we?

905
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:15.059
Like it's, we see his reaction before we see what his reaction.

906
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:16.139
I think we know what he's saying.

907
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:17.280
Yes, I think we do.

908
00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:19.320
But it's nice that they delay it.

909
00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:24.900
And before then, he has actually fixed Amy and Rory's marriage.

910
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:27.000
And he has done it deliberately.

911
00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:33.780
So when Amy 1st meets the doctor and and the doctor questions her

912
00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:37.679
about what happened and she says this isn't a thing that you can

913
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:38.340
fix.

914
00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:40.380
You worry about the Daleks.

915
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:41.400
This is not your thing.

916
00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:45.360
And then she also suggests that when the doctor fixes a problem

917
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.900
he's going to straighten his bow tie and sort of saunter off

918
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.480
there's that wonderful moment, isn't there?

919
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:54.719
And it's beautifully directed where he leaves the 2 of them alone

920
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.860
and he walks past security cameras.

921
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.719
Well, yeah, yeah, he leaves them alone.

922
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:05.880
He actually taken his bracelet off and put it on Amy, which he

923
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.019
could have done that earlier.

924
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.239
I don't know why I was thinking that myself.

925
00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:10.440
Maybe, uh, whatever.

926
00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:13.079
Maybe maybe he doesn't know that he's not going to be affected or

927
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.480
it's kind of like I'm at the end game here.

928
00:41:15.539 --> 00:41:16.679
I can go without it for a bit.

929
00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:20.880
And then they're doing this sort of self-sacrifice thing and Rory

930
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.699
saying, oh, it's the love, isn't it?

931
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:28.440
To turn you into a dalek, they drive out love and introduce anger

932
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:28.860
into you.

933
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.219
And so Rory says, well, you're going to turn into a dalek before

934
00:41:32.219 --> 00:41:34.679
me because I love you more than you love me.

935
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:39.179
And she, you know, break, anyway, the whole thing sort of is

936
00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:39.719
resolved.

937
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:43.739
And then, yes, the doctor Saunders passed a security camera and

938
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:46.380
looks into it and then straightens.

939
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:47.699
It's so good.

940
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.500
Talking about the bracelet thing, actually.

941
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.500
It is a little flaw, which is sort of brought up at that moment

942
00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:57.119
where because it's brought up that the doctors slipped to her onto

943
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:57.719
her wrist.

944
00:41:57.780 --> 00:42:00.900
It's like, well, actually, why didn't they share them around?

945
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.300
Why didn't they all have a turn for a little bit 10 minutes

946
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:04.139
without without it?

947
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.840
This goes back to Belladabet as well.

948
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.719
So there's a similar thing with the glove and the mirrors.

949
00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:12.059
I suspect he's lifted it from that.

950
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:16.260
I think it's a little bit like the doctor's plan in Destiny of the

951
00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:20.219
Daleks to give Romana. the beeper that tells her when to take the

952
00:42:20.219 --> 00:42:22.320
pills but not any of the actual pills.

953
00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:25.380
Because that's just how Tom Roll.

954
00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:29.039
Yeah, things are not going well.

955
00:42:29.099 --> 00:42:31.440
Baker Ward household.

956
00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:33.119
Yes.

957
00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:35.940
She looks like she's got plenty of anti-radiation gloves, doesn't

958
00:42:35.940 --> 00:42:36.119
she?

959
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.800
They're going back to Amy and Rory in that whole sequence with

960
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.940
them resolving and getting back together, I think, as much as I

961
00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:48.719
don't like necessarily some of the dialogue and that sort of thing

962
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:50.579
I think they sell the hell out of it.

963
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.159
They're both extraordinary sequence.

964
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:56.159
It even always brought me to tears.

965
00:42:56.219 --> 00:42:57.659
Yeah, Arthur is so good.

966
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:58.380
No, I know.

967
00:42:58.380 --> 00:43:01.019
And we've not diminished Karen, but Arthur is amazing.

968
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.619
And we've had 2 years with them where the show has been focussed

969
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:05.400
on their relationship.

970
00:43:05.460 --> 00:43:07.800
We're really invested in it and it's good.

971
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:09.059
It works properly, I think.

972
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.260
I think it's really interesting that the audience appreciation for

973
00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:18.119
this episode was 89, like one of the highest season openers ever

974
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:21.539
like in terms of audience, liking things.

975
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.300
And when you look at it all, like it's Daleks and it's human

976
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:26.699
Daleks and it's a whole heap of...

977
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:27.780
And you can understand what's going on.

978
00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:30.539
If I may venture then.

979
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:31.800
Yes.

980
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:33.539
Yeah, you can understand what's going on.

981
00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:37.739
And the audience is obviously invested in this team, you know, and

982
00:43:37.739 --> 00:43:42.000
they obviously know that Jenna's coming and she gives them one a

983
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:42.480
performance.

984
00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:45.119
It's just incredible that they like it even more than I like.

985
00:43:45.179 --> 00:43:47.460
Well, the average punzer wouldn't necessarily know that she's

986
00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:49.199
going to be the companion moving on, but the point is they love

987
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:49.380
her.

988
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:50.340
She's so brilliant, yeah.

989
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.340
Can I be perhaps needlessly cruel?

990
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:54.239
Yeah, please.

991
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.460
There's no such thing as needlessly cruel, apparently.

992
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:57.539
Only needlessly kind.

993
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.019
Is anyone getting sick by now?

994
00:44:01.139 --> 00:44:03.840
of Nick Briggs' Dalek voices.

995
00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:05.219
Oh, wow.

996
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.320
Controversial.

997
00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:10.920
Look, I think he starts brilliantly in the new series.

998
00:44:10.980 --> 00:44:16.559
He has a perfect undeniable understanding of Dalek inflections and

999
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:19.079
all that happening on the kind of the various amateur things over

1000
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:20.280
the years, you know, back in the day.

1001
00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:23.579
Well, he does Peter Hawkings and David Graham impersonations.

1002
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:24.659
Like, he got to sell.

1003
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.320
Yeah, and he's got he's able to do the, you know, the high fast

1004
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:29.880
one and then the loo-sloo one.

1005
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.320
He totally...

1006
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:36.000
But I wonder whether it's starting to become almost a parody of

1007
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.719
his own performance and a parody and a mocking of that style of

1008
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:40.079
thing.

1009
00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:41.940
Is anyone feeling that?

1010
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.300
I kind of, even though, yeah, he does do the modulations, I'm kind

1011
00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:49.440
of looking for a 2nd person to be doing the voices as well. and

1012
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.760
you get a bit more variety then, it's not just the fact that

1013
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.920
there's one voice, and I think that's important for consistency.

1014
00:44:55.980 --> 00:44:58.079
But, you know, the funny thing about the new series is whilst we

1015
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.599
can have new doctors and new companions and new theme tunes and

1016
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:01.199
new everything.

1017
00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:04.860
The 2 things we can't seem to have are new Dalek voices and new

1018
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:05.639
incidental music.

1019
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.000
Succession planning.

1020
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:10.559
There's no succession planning.

1021
00:45:10.619 --> 00:45:12.300
It would be lovely to have somebody else doing it.

1022
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.059
I mean, this is why I could only give this story 7.8 out of 10.

1023
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:16.260
7.8.

1024
00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:18.239
Where did it lose the .2?

1025
00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:20.460
Well, 7.8 to 8 out of 10.

1026
00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:23.280
Right. 78 out of 100.

1027
00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:26.340
No, I think it's good.

1028
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:27.179
I think it's good.

1029
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:27.900
But I do agree with you.

1030
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.019
Like, we do get to a point where it's sort of like, we need a 2nd

1031
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:33.420
voice in there just for difference, I think.

1032
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:37.139
I think the thing that Nicks Briggs, Nicks Briggs.

1033
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.460
Nick's Brigg.

1034
00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:40.019
The thing.

1035
00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:43.619
Briggs very proud of that, Nick.

1036
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.199
He's very proud of that.

1037
00:45:46.260 --> 00:45:49.139
The thing that Nick Briggs brings to it.

1038
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:51.000
Chap with wings.

1039
00:45:51.059 --> 00:45:58.980
Yeah. is, is that he does the dialect voices perfectly and then

1040
00:45:58.980 --> 00:46:01.860
makes them express emotions, which they have never done before.

1041
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:03.900
And so in Dalek.

1042
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.320
Well, I mean, they've done hysterical and panicky idiot and

1043
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:07.559
stuff.

1044
00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:12.659
But, you know, the way that that performance in Dalek is a proper

1045
00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:13.619
acting performance.

1046
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:21.239
And so by now, year, you know, 7 or whatever, it's the same old

1047
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:21.599
thing.

1048
00:46:21.659 --> 00:46:24.360
Oh, Nick is being sad, Dalek, we've heard this a lot before.

1049
00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:25.739
Yeah, maybe it's that.

1050
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.059
But I also wonder whether his performance is becoming too...

1051
00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:31.079
Not by rote.

1052
00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:32.219
It's not too rote.

1053
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.619
It's just too parody.

1054
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.559
Could you have had Jenna perform those lines?

1055
00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:41.340
Well, that would have been interesting.

1056
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:43.260
I mean, we have had a female...

1057
00:46:43.260 --> 00:46:43.980
With a voice treatment.

1058
00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:46.619
With a voice treatment. interesting to see how that sounded, that

1059
00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:50.039
might make it too obvious, but we only hear the voice, don't we

1060
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:51.840
after we know that it's Clara?

1061
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:53.219
Oh, I see what you mean.

1062
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:54.420
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

1063
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:55.079
Yes, yes.

1064
00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:57.840
But also in Stephen's writing, maybe that's why he introduces

1065
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:02.340
these human like daleks to have different voices for just to break

1066
00:47:02.340 --> 00:47:04.559
it up a bit rather than just having dialects, having the human

1067
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.820
people be dalek like and those emotions just to give a bit of

1068
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:10.199
variation.

1069
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:13.800
Oh, yeah, that's why, you know, the best Dalek stories always have

1070
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.739
the human surrogates, whether it's, you know, Nider and Davros or

1071
00:47:16.739 --> 00:47:18.900
Lytton or the robo man.

1072
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.420
I mean, I think there are just so many great things about the

1073
00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:21.840
episode.

1074
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:24.360
Jenna in particular and the overall plot revealing her to be a

1075
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:24.780
Dalek.

1076
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:25.980
It's not just that, though.

1077
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.380
I think it's the production style, as Nathan was said earlier.

1078
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.380
All the regulars are on form, which they always are.

1079
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.179
This team, I found.

1080
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.059
But there are just those few things that annoy me and I think they

1081
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:38.039
annoy me more because everything else is so good.

1082
00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:42.000
You know, I don't like the idea of the palm of the Daleks.

1083
00:47:42.059 --> 00:47:42.599
It just for show.

1084
00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:43.739
It just doesn't make any sense.

1085
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:44.760
It's just a bit stupid.

1086
00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:47.820
The ice stalk's popping out of people's head, as I've said, is I

1087
00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:50.579
find it just almost unforgivably embarrassing.

1088
00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:55.800
But, you know, whatever, you know, there are always things that

1089
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:57.780
one regrets about a Doctor Who episode.

1090
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.239
Overall, I think it's an excellent, and Todd, what you're saying

1091
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:03.119
about the audience appreciation, I think it does indicate this is

1092
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:07.079
what people want and I think they should have it. great.

1093
00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:08.579
It's a really solid episode.

1094
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:12.780
And like you, I have niggly things like the whole Amy and Rory

1095
00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:16.139
relationship is, and that structure forced upon us is the one

1096
00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:19.260
thing that, for me, even now.

1097
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.920
Like, I sit there going, okay, I get it, but it's just that little

1098
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.079
thing that takes away everything else. is just wonderful

1099
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:26.099
generally.

1100
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:27.840
I disagree with you about the eye stalks.

1101
00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:29.159
I just like to see that. they're awesome.

1102
00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:29.940
More of those.

1103
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.559
I think it's sort of criminally underrated.

1104
00:48:34.619 --> 00:48:35.699
I think people don't like it.

1105
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.039
I don't. you think they don't like it or they just don't remember

1106
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:38.280
it?

1107
00:48:38.340 --> 00:48:40.440
Well, no, I think that there are people who actively don't like

1108
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:40.800
it.

1109
00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:45.300
But I actually think that it's really sort of solid and scary and

1110
00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:46.019
entertaining.

1111
00:48:46.139 --> 00:48:46.980
Does a good job.

1112
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:48.000
Very solid piece of television.

1113
00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:48.300
Yeah.

1114
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:49.500
I agree.

1115
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:53.340
It's a very good opener for the season and it asks more questions

1116
00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:58.739
than it answers, but not in a way that excludes us from the

1117
00:48:58.739 --> 00:48:59.340
narrative.

1118
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.159
It just invites us to enjoy it more.

1119
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:06.000
And it's lovely at the end when Jenna turns to the camera and just

1120
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.320
says, and remember.

1121
00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:08.639
Yeah, so good.

1122
00:49:08.699 --> 00:49:11.699
I really wanted her to be doing her own Dalek voice, though.

1123
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:13.139
I thought what an end.

1124
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.900
Not only do you die horribly in the realisation that your life is

1125
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:18.059
artificial, but your voice is by Nick Briggs.

1126
00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:47.579
Well, hey, listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1127
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.440
We'll be back next week for a genocidal Silurian romp in dinosaurs

1128
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:53.280
on a spaceship.

1129
00:49:53.340 --> 00:49:57.239
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1130
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.360
and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook

1131
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:03.420
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1132
00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:06.300
FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other

1133
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:10.920
podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody Interterterra, maximum power, and

1134
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:12.900
untitled Star Trek project.

1135
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:17.400
Until next time, remember that you can't make a souffle if you've

1136
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:19.139
forgotten to bring your egg whisk.

1137
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.360
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1138
00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:22.440
See you soon.

1139
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:25.500
Bye for now eggs. eggs.

1140
00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:33.900
That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley

1141
00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:35.159
Simon, Moore and Richard Stone.

1142
00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:37.500
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

1143
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:41.460
This episode, unblocking the sync, was recorded on the 13th of

1144
00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:44.159
March, 2022 and released on the 10th of April.

1145
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:49.320
To commemorate Doctor Who's Series 7 premiere, FTE Enterprises is

1146
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:53.340
releasing a totally non-infringing angry robot playsuit, consisting

1147
00:50:53.340 --> 00:50:57.179
of a tricycle, a bowler hat, an egg whisk, and a sink plunger

1148
00:50:57.179 --> 00:51:00.659
together with a lifetime supply of cream of tartar, available

1149
00:51:00.659 --> 00:51:04.619
Christmas 2022 for kids of all ages, so long as the warehouse

1150
00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:05.340
doesn't burn down.

1151
00:51:06.420 --> 00:51:10.320
Well, a lot has happened since the last episode of Flight for

1152
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:10.860
Entirety.

1153
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.880
Simon and his husband have discovered that they count...

1154
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.260
Tag.

1155
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:16.920
Sorry.

1156
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.159
I wish they you...

1157
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:24.360
I actually can conceive children instead of cannot.

1158
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:27.300
Sorry.

1159
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.820
A lot has happened since the last episode of Flight through

1160
00:51:32.820 --> 00:51:33.420
Entirety.

1161
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.599
Simon and his husband have discovered that they cannot conceive

1162
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.260
children, and both Todd and Richard aren't speaking to me for some

1163
00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:40.619
reason.

1164
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:44.159
Is this the sort of thing that Doctor Who can fix?

1165
00:51:44.219 --> 00:51:48.360
Let's find out as we visit the asylum of the Daleks.

1166
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:50.519
Is that all right?

1167
00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:51.659
It's gorgeous.

1168
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.219
Marigold.

1169
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:54.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1170
00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:57.599
You've had a lovely cadence and a slight sibilance at the end

1171
00:51:57.599 --> 00:51:58.500
which I actually enjoy.

1172
00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:02.099
Just a very slight...

1173
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:04.920
Just worried where you were heading until I realised where you

1174
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:05.280
were heading.

1175
00:52:05.340 --> 00:52:05.639
Yeah.

1176
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.519
And Todd and Rich and I thought, no, no, Ash won't like this.

1177
00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:13.980
They could have sat Todd and his husband, but, um, All right.

1178
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.659
How do we start this?

1179
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.099
I'm really disturbed by this Ronald McDonald.

1180
00:52:20.099 --> 00:52:21.960
Handler, by thing in front of me.

1181
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.360
It's a shrine.

1182
00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:26.219
Well, there's a Sesame Street over there.

1183
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.000
So many things.

1184
00:52:27.059 --> 00:52:29.639
Big bird. many physical objects.

1185
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.079
What I really want is the total destruction of all spatial

1186
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:34.559
objects.

1187
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:39.119
I'm like swarming as you.

1188
00:52:41.699 --> 00:52:44.219
Does the doctor know you're out this later?

1189
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.940
It sounds like 60s doctor who died.

1190
00:52:48.059 --> 00:52:48.719
He does.

1191
00:52:48.780 --> 00:52:51.239
You must destroy all living matter.

1192
00:52:55.980 --> 00:53:00.659
So we're back for what is a bit of a weird year of Doctor Who, I

1193
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:00.840
think.

1194
00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:02.400
Yes, the weirdest, perhaps.