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Hello, Delissa, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety.

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The only Doctor Who podcast that really knows where its trowel

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is.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Fiona.

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Well, we've rounded up a gang for some reason, and we're off to

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investigate a giant spaceship hurtling towards planet Earth, as

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usual.

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It's all fun and games until David Bradley murders a Triceratops

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in dinosaurs on a spaceship.

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I'm going to nail my colours to the mask straight away and say, I

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really like this episode.

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Am I wrong?

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Yes.

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Am I a bad person?

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Yes.

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No, I quite enjoyed this one as well.

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I enjoyed it at the time and have enjoyed it on each viewing since

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coming to it with a slightly more critical eye this time, I have

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questions, but we'll get into those.

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Okay.

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Are they about Brian's balls?

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Oddly no.

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So we start, I think, in a very odd way, which is the getting the

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gang together, like a heist movie or something.

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We're doing that.

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How do we think that works as an idea?

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Yeah, it was a little bit strange.

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I'd actually, because I only rewatched it this morning and I'd had

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actually forgotten that bit about how they got everybody

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together.

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No, I think it was okay, but it was a bit kind of...

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The bit where they get the ponds is beautiful.

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I think that's really, really great.

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And I also like the fact that my 1st impressions with Queen

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Nefatiti and Matt.

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She's got him up against the TARDIS kind of, you know, being very

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very forward and I like the way he's, he's not doing the, oh, I'm

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sort of sexy kind of the doctor back.

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He's just kind of like, oh, ha, ha, doing the whole sort of, oh

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get me out of here kind of thing.

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Yeah, which I, which I think is great.

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I think it would be a bit if he kind of got all sexy back and went

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hey, you know, hot woman, this is great.

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I'm, I, sexy.

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I think that would be a bit, but because he's playing the whole

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never seen a girl before kind of line.

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This is a bit awkward.

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I think that works really well.

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It's quite funny.

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I think Russell's doctor is sexually confident, surprisingly, and

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Moffatt's isn't.

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And I think that, you know, that's basically it, isn't it?

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Which is surprising.

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Yeah, you would expect it to be the other way around.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, that's right.

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But I mean, if you think about Eccleston, perhaps the only time

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that we really talk about sex with Eccleston is in the 2 episodes

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that Moffatt writes, and he's a bit awkward about sex in those.

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I mean, I'd also say Jabe.

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Yeah, they're totally cross-pollinated.

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Oh, no, he's super confident with Jane.

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That was my 1st impression when you said that comment was, Jabe.

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Yeah he's very confident in there.

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Yeah, he's definitely a man who has experience.

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And obviously, tenants doctor is insufferably sexually confident.

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There is the, you know, still got it, sort of thing that he always

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has, that sort of feeling.

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And Matt always reacts like this to being hit on, which I think is

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delightful.

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Yeah, I love it. means that it's kind of okay.

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I will also say for his doctor so far, kisses have generally been

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bad news.

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So like Amy kisses him and he immediately knows that he's almost

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broken up a wedding.

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River kisses him and it's like 1st time for everything and a

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last.

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River kisses him again because he's on the edge of death.

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Well, River kisses him again and kills him and then kisses him

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again and brings him back to live.

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And then kisses him again and the universe reboots again.

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He's probably expecting the whole pyramid to come down on top of

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that.

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Yeah, that's fair enough.

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Euphemism and a half.

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Yeah.

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And then we get the very, very, very beautiful Rupert Graves as

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Riddell, and he's really fun as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There's something...

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Because all of that's played for kind of screwball comedy.

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It does have a very moffity feel to it.

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It's a little bit like getting the gang together, you know, a

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demon's run.

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It's kind of a thing that we've sort of done before, but it's

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absolutely played for laughs.

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And I think it does an important job of establishing that the

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doctor has relationships and friendships with other people, which

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is important thematically, I think, here.

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Yeah, I really love that once they've gotten to the Indian space

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agency, which I remember in 2012 thinking, of course, that's a

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brilliant idea.

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Because you think it's the international space agency because it's

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the ISA, right?

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Yeah.

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And incidentally, I think the main the main prerequisite.

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Well, the secondary prerequisite for working at the Indian Space

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Agency, the main prerequisite is, of course, that you know about

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space stuff.

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The secondary prerequisite seems to be that you have to be really

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hot.

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All the men and women in the Indian space agency are really

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noticeably hot and, you know, it...

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Sorry, distracted.

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But the thing I love in that scene is the doctor and Nefertiti

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have been travelling for a while together because he calls her

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nephew and she knows about screens and what have you.

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And it's actually a lovely bit of shorthand from a writer who

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sometimes overwrites character explanations.

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And so I thought that was absolutely lovely.

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I think Indian Space Agency, in retrospect, turns out to be

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classic Chibnol, doesn't it?

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He's showrunner when we have our 1st story set outside Europe

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since what, the Aztecs or something?

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So, so, so I think the Indian Space Agency is very cheap, Milly

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and it is really good because it gives us the chance to have some

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representation, and we get the gag where we think initially ISA is

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International Space Agency, it turns out to be Indian.

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And they're really great.

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There's that wonderful line, isn't it?

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Because he brings Nefatiti to the ISA and the woman there says

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we're going to fire missiles at the ship.

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And he says, oh, I really liked you until you said the word in his

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eyes.

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She's fabulously talked to her.

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Chicken, I think, can do comedy and we will see that later this

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season, won't we?

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Well, there's some great comedy moments throughout this episode.

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Yeah, I think so too.

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In fact, primarily, I think what it does is just be a hilarious

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romp with dinosaurs.

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It absolutely does what it says on the tin.

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So I just think it's terrifically enjoyable.

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So you did get the title wrong at the beginning of the episodes.

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It's dinosaurs.

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On a space?

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's what we say leading into the credits.

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I noticed there was a comment there in the subtitles when I was

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watching it before.

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Should have been an ellipse.

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I feel like that's one of times where, you know, you can accuse

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Chris Chipnall of overwriting, but this is one of those occasions

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where no one else would have done anything different.

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No, you had to do that.

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That's happening.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But doesn't Matt just perfectly encapsulate exactly what's going

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in your inside your brain when you read that title for the 1st

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time and you just have that childish reaction going dinosaurs on a

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spaceship and he just like...

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He's just articulating exactly what all of us are thinking because

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I mean, every who didn't love dinosaurs when you were a kid and

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you still do love dinosaurs.

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I mean, yeah, you couldn't get much nicer than that dinosaurs and

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a spaceship.

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And it reminded me a little bit of his bit in the 1st episode back

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in that season where the last season where he puts the helmet on

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with the space helmet and he's like, look at this cool stuff.

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The Impossible Astronaut.

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Yeah, yeah, he finds that with a NASA gear and puts it on and he's

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like, oh, this is so cool.

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Like just geeking out and you're like, yeah, I'd do the same thing

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if I was there.

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Like, that's what you'd want to do is like put try it on and see

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what it looks like.

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Yeah, have fun.

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Well, I think it's one of the best things about Matt is how much

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he enjoys himself, like how much he loves his staff.

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I did that at the Kennedy Space Museum.

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Oh, did he?

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You put the thing on?

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Did Karen Gillen shoot you in the head?

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And you said thank you.

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You know, this is a great shot.

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Now, this is something I've read, and I'm not sure if this was a

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stage direction or if this was dialogue that was cut out of the

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script, but apparently, according to the script, Brian, when he

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sees the dinosaurs, believes that Rory and Amy have drugged him

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and taken him to Alton Towers, which is a theme park in the UK and

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that he was going to start wittering on about, you had to drug me

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and bring me here because I hated it so much the 1st time and I

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got sick on the road.

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Okay, I'm running.

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He is like absolutely incredible.

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So we have actual Mark Williams from Red Dwarf, from Red Dwarf.

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Harry Potter?

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Yep, yeah. about that anymore.

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Father Brown.

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Yeah, yes, yes.

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Yes. 10 seasons.

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He's magnificent.

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He's so great and he's so much your dad as well.

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I know.

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He was great hosting the Doctor Who symphonic spectacular.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's right.

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He did that with...

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Alex King.

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That's right.

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Sydney yeah.

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Yeah, no, I mean, he is just so tremendous.

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And so the doctor materialises around him, which I just think is

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terrific.

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And Rory's reaction, like, why can't you phone ahead like a normal

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person?

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Yeah, it's like the doctor picks up Riddell and it's nice enough

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to park the Titus a safe distance away and come along and sit down

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and, hey, how you doing?

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With Amy and Royal.

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They'll want to come.

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What can they be doing that's more important?

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Of course, Matt, doesn't know you.

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The doctor doesn't notice that he's picked him up until

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afterwards.

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And then and then he goes, oh, you thought I was stupid.

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You thought I wouldn't notice, which is precisely what he did.

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But he knew his name.

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He caught him Brian.

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Did you notice that?

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He called him Brian.

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Not Rory's dad.

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He says Brian.

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I think that here's the thing that we obviously don't care about

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which is that we didn't see Rory's dad at the wedding and Rory's

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dad doesn't know who the doctor is despite his spectacular

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appearance at the wedding.

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And I think at this point it's just like, ah, who cares?

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You know, we had to explain...

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We had to explain why Bernard Cribbins wasn't in the runaway

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bride.

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And we sort of did that, but what did it had Spanish flu or

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something?

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Yeah, yeah, something stupid.

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And so now we're just not even bothering with that at this point.

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No, we don't care because we've got Mark Williams and his wife.

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Well, exactly.

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What if they said, oh, well, we can't have Rory's dad in that

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because it would introduce a continuity error.

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So call Mark Williams up and tell him he's not needed.

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I kind of wish you'd been playing this Olaf Peterson.

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Yeah, not a pocket full of golf balls, a pocket full of lager

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cans.

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I developed a bit of a theory watching this and I was just kind of

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watching it go.

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And because Brian narrates what he's going through all the time

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I'm riding a dinosaur.

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I'm flying a spaceship.

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I can say...

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And I kind of went, well, you know, that's something Chris

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Chibnell does.

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He often has characters saying what they're doing in disbelief.

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But then I thought, hold on, is he Chris Chibnall?

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And then reading a bit like Christian.

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Reading an interview, Chris Chipnell says, I'm afraid that I am

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Brian, or at least that's what I will turn into, and that's where

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the character came from.

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It's like, yeah, exactly.

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There's that moment at the very end where Rory is fixing the light

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fitting and he also comes to the conclusion that it's the fitting

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another bulb and then like, 0 my god, I'm turning into Brian. you

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know I think it's just perfect. he'll come up later in the

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season.

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And perhaps if anything, be even more magnificent, I think.

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And I just think the bit where he's injured and Rory is treating

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him is one of the emotional highlights of this 1st half of the

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season.

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And it's a really emotional 1st half of the season with Amy and

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Rory's relationship, but it's just really brilliantly

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underplayed.

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And there's been this subtle thing throughout of Brian's sort of

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dissing Rory because he can't repair a light fitting.

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He doesn't carry a trowel, you know, put it on your Christmas

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list.

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But here there's just that quiet moment of respect of, oh, okay, no

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you're good at other things, which I think for children watching

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at home is probably a very sweet moment if they're into something

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say, like Doctor Who, that their parents might not be.

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But also like something which is misogynistically typically

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considered to be a female industry.

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Yeah, yeah. has at times in the scriptwriting of this show been

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used to emasculate him.

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Yeah.

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As a joke.

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Yep.

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And then played against.

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That's actually a really powerful message to say to kids.

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Like especially young, young boys, you can do this job.

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It doesn't make you less for man.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think that's good.

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That's a really good point.

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Yeah.

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There's something about adult children as well. that our parents

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don't necessarily understand what it is that we're good at and

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don't get the opportunity to see us doing that.

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And so I found that quite affecting as well.

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You know, and it, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Uh, same.

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I related chat really heavily because um, for starters, like, you

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know how, like, I'm into horses and riding and all that, like, my

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parents have virtually never, ever watched me ride kind of thing

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like, they've just, and even when they come, the rare occasions

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where they come and stay with me, like, I go and ride and they

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never come and watch sort of thing, and I kind of, part of me

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wishes they take an interest, and then for work a couple of times

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a year, I get to do PowerPoint presentations of my research in

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front of people, and I had to drag my son along recently kicking

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and screaming and I literally got quite upset.

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I said, can't you, for, you know, just one time a year, be proud

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of what I do?

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Like, you know, like just, I want you to come and like just go, mom

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is cool, you know, because I...

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Yeah, and I but it was really like for me, it was a really big

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deal for him to actually be in the audience and for me to kind of

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show my stuff and go, hey, this is what I'm good at, baby.

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Like, yeah.

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So it is a big, it is a big thing.

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Yeah, it's a very Doctor Who thing, I think, to have that family

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relationship moment being caused by like a big stupid robot on a

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giant spaceship and stuff.

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You know, the setting is absurd.

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But there's a little moment of kind of real human connection there

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which I think is terrifically good.

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Love it.

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I'd like to say something about Riddell, because the 1st time

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watching this series, Like this series was publicised as we're

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doing a feature film every week, and you sort of get swept up with

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that.

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But this time watching it, I'm like, why is the doctor such good

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friends with a big game hunter?

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Yeah.

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And I thought that's really weird. that has been brought up.

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Yeah, and Amy refers to that in the dialogue too.

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Doesn't she?

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Because she says like, you know, when he's being a bit misogynist

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and sort of going, like, I don't take orders from women and all

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that and she said, well, you know, you're just some twat, who, who

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shoots to poor defenceless animals, you know, why would I respect

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you kind of thing?

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Yeah.

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So she totally stands up to him.

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Yeah, well, when when he says, I don't take orders from women, I

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think Nefertiti responds by saying, well, learn.

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You know, like...

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But notice that by the end of it, he and Nefertiti are together

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and they're both using the tranquilliser stun guns on the animals

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by the end.

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So he learns not to be a big gamer.

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And that was his idea too.

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That's the thing, isn't it?

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The doctor makes people better.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's the getting a character who is flawed and making them become

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a better person.

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Yeah.

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But not totally changing who he is.

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So he's still, you know, he's still hunting.

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What I found interesting when I read up on his character was that

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much like Nefetiti, this character was originally going to be a

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real historical figure.

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Ah okay.

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And he was going to be Charles Buffalo Jones, who was Buffalo.

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A buffalo.

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In America, in the 1800s.

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In the Wild West.

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In the Wild West.

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Yes.

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And he initially started out hunting Buffalo, but then realised

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what wonderful creatures they were and worked on both preserving

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and conserving them and the possibility of crossbreeding them with

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cattle to make a hardier cow, which basically didn't work.

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The offspring couldn't reproduce, and they were just as wilful as

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the buffalo with no domestic qualities.

395
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Oh, so like mules?

396
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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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And the reason that was scuppered was this was being filmed with a

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town called Mercy and would have gone out back to back and Moffatt

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said, I'm sorry, Chris, we can't have to, we can't have 2 Wild

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West characters in a row.

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Yeah, so in choosing Redell and choosing for him to come from 1902

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Chibnell's view was, let's take him from the end of that part of

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the empire.

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So he's on the way out anyway.

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So he has to change.

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And again, it's not overwritten for once.

408
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No.

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Yeah.

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No, I mean, and he's mostly played for comedy.

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Like he is, you know, charming and pretty, but absolutely

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inappropriate all the time and he's constantly being lectured by

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both Nefertiti and Amy.

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And, you know, it turns out okay in the end.

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I think it's, I think it's all right.

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I have heard people object to him and particularly to him ending

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up with their fatigue when he's been so kind of relentlessly awful

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all the way through.

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But I think he does learn. and I think he does get better and it's

420
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Rupert Graves and he's charming as hell.

421
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I almost didn't recognise him, not an EM Forster.

422
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Well, it's Freddie.

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He'll be in Sherlock, yeah.

424
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Yeah, he is super pretty.

425
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Freddie in A Room with a View, Helena Bottom Carter's Little

426
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Brother, and he's... was so attractive.

427
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Oh, he's so gorgeous.

428
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That's where I 1st...

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Floppy hair.

430
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Yeah, he was...

431
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Yeah, very loveable.

432
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Very loveable.

433
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Yeah.

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I didn't have a problem with him ending up with Queen Nefertiti at

435
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all because I think because she was, she's obviously very sexually

436
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confident and he is as well.

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And so it wasn't like, you know, he was either seducing her or

438
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kind of throwing himself on her, like we had the other bit where

439
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it is, sexual harassment with, um, David Bradley's character who's

440
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just repulsive.

441
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Yeah, Solomon, the, um, where it is basically, like, there's all

442
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this stuff about, you know, rape and and definitely, you know

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sexual assault that's really quite dark and horrible.

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And Matt, at one stage, you can see on his face, he's just

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repulsed by this character.

446
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Like, but he, he's got that thing where he just wants to just kill

447
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this guy, but he can't at that stage.

448
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He can't do anything about it.

449
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Um, but she's, Yeah, she's obviously confident in herself.

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So for her ending up with redoubt at the end, it's like a

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partnership.

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They like equals.

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I don't have an issue with that at all because it's something that

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she's chosen to.

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Whereas when Solomon takes her. very much against her will, but

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she's brave enough to make that sacrifice because she feels that

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it will save the others.

458
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So, very powerful woman.

459
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And and then free herself as well.

460
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

461
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She's the one that she attacks him with the crutch.

462
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Yeah.

463
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Yeah.

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It's not the doctor rescuing her.

465
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No, no.

466
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That rescue underwent many changes.

467
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Right.

468
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So initially, uh, the doctor was going to sort of push Neffi out

469
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lock the door and he was going to be, I'm going to stay on the

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ship with Solomon because, you know, that's the thing to do.

471
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Then there was a version where Nefi pushed the doctor out and said

472
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I will make sure the missiles hit us because, of course, Nefiti

473
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kind of disappears from history in real history.

474
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Okay.

475
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And then the doctor was going to land the TARDIS around them and

476
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Stephen Moffatt said, no, it needs to be a bit more proactive than

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that.

478
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And so Stephen Moffat and Chris Chip altogether, came up with, well

479
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hold on.

480
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She is the queen of Egypt, she can fight.

481
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We've seen that this episode.

482
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Why doesn't she take him out, and then the doctor does the science

483
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y stuff, and then they both leave.

484
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Yeah.

485
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And I think that ending is perfect.

486
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And I'm someone who has complained a lot about the last few years

487
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of Doctor Who where the doctor just seems to let the villains

488
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wander off.

489
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And here we have the doctor leaving David Bradley in the spaceship

490
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that's going to be hit by the missiles because he's put that

491
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dodecahedron thing there for the missiles to home in on.

492
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And I think it's great.

493
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It is great.

494
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I wanted him dead and I wanted the doctor to do something.

495
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And he says beforehand, he says, did the Siderians beg you to

496
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stop?

497
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you know.

498
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And one of the things that Chibill does too, is he inadvertently

499
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sometimes includes things that are utterly, utterly horrible in

500
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his stories without really kind of addressing them.

501
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So for example, does the dog die.com in episode 6 or whatever of

502
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flux.

503
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So we have 7000000000 dogs die off screen and sort of nothing

504
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really comes of that.

505
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I think Carbon is to house and then we all get on with our lives.

506
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Here, he does address the genocide of the Silurians, that David

507
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Bradley and Mitchell and Webb have systematically killed 1000s of

508
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Silurians.

509
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:08.940
And so he makes us feel that.

510
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.400
And I think once he kills Tracy.

511
00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:11.940
That's it.

512
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.000
You know, he kills it is another...

513
00:24:15.059 --> 00:24:15.900
That was unforgivable.

514
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:17.640
Yeah, does the dog die.com again.

515
00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:19.799
You know, he just shoots the triceratops.

516
00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:21.359
That was a...

517
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:22.559
That was a lot of dogs.

518
00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:24.480
Yeah.

519
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:26.400
Yeah.

520
00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:30.900
So I'm super on board with him just leaving him to be got by the

521
00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:31.440
missiles.

522
00:24:31.500 --> 00:24:32.160
He deserves it.

523
00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:35.940
But how one, please, does Matt play it as well?

524
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.819
Because he's very calm and measured.

525
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:40.980
He's not at all hysterical about it.

526
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.519
And I was sort of thinking about, you know, with a bit about like

527
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:46.680
oh, did the Silurians beg for mercy?

528
00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:51.299
I was thinking of Christopher Eccleston's confrontation with the

529
00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:54.359
Dalek, you know, when he was torturing the Dalek, and he's just

530
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.779
that little bit at that stage, he is a bit hysterical because he's

531
00:24:57.779 --> 00:25:03.240
very much wounded and he has that, um, you know, like, ah, little

532
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:06.000
you know, you know, and whereas now he's just very calm and

533
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:09.599
measured and just said, you know, you've done something awful.

534
00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:12.480
Think about it because, yeah.

535
00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:16.380
And it's just like he just draws that line and says that's it

536
00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:18.000
buddy. you've you had your chance.

537
00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:22.920
And, yeah, um, but he's, he doesn't make it, he doesn't.

538
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:23.940
I imagine tenant playing that.

539
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:25.980
Oh, it would be all kind of...

540
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.519
Yeah. behind him.

541
00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:32.099
Yeah, giant teeth. slow motion.

542
00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:35.099
Did they beg for mercy?

543
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:36.779
Tell me.

544
00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:42.960
In a sort of metatextual way.

545
00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:45.480
I think the other reason Solomon has to die, and I'm going to be

546
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.660
on record as saying it's absolutely brilliant, and I remember in

547
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:51.599
2012 sitting there going, ooh, yeah.

548
00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:52.799
And I'm like, no, I like this.

549
00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:59.339
In a metatextual kind of way, everyone else in the story is heroic

550
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.000
and a bit funny.

551
00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:05.099
Even the robots are kind of comedy robots, and they don't actually

552
00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:08.339
want to hurt you at all, and when they don't succeed in hurting

553
00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:10.859
you, it's just, oh, we definitely used to be faster.

554
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.759
You know, and they're really funny.

555
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:21.000
Whereas Solomon is almost a new adventures kind of villain.

556
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:25.559
And it's almost like the script is going, well, no, you don't

557
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:26.819
belong in the Doctor Who universe.

558
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:27.420
Bugger off.

559
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.279
We're having fun with dinosaurs. you.

560
00:26:29.339 --> 00:26:30.660
Excuse me.

561
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:35.160
And yeah, he just doesn't fit in that way.

562
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:39.240
And in a way, it's good that he doesn't fit because the scene

563
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.579
where he's asking the doctor to treat him.

564
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.000
And the doctor, you know, kind of charmingly says, well, you know

565
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.400
yes, I'll happily treat you like, how about you tell me about what

566
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.740
you're doing on this ship and Solomon's response is immediately

567
00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:50.519
shoot one of them.

568
00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:53.460
Yeah, injure the older one or something like that.

569
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:54.059
It's really.

570
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:59.819
Yeah, and it underlines, okay, this is not your, this is not a fun

571
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:01.259
Doctor Who villain.

572
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:05.759
Like, I would say he's possibly more ruthless in execution than

573
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.519
Madame Cavarian who is at least having fun with what she's doing.

574
00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:09.779
Yeah.

575
00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:10.500
You know?

576
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:16.019
But it's such a brilliant performance from David Bradley.

577
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:20.279
And it's sort of amazing that this is his kneebrock's moment where

578
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:25.740
Stephen Moffatt goes, hey, you'd be good as William Hartnell.

579
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:27.839
He would definitely shoot people in the face.

580
00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:30.779
At least hit them over the back of the head with a rock.

581
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:37.440
Apparently he's just the nicest, sweetest, cuddliest guy in real

582
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.079
life, but he just plays this.

583
00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:42.539
He's made a, you know, a career out of playing repulsive

584
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:47.039
characters. like he's just always, always, even the 1st doctor.

585
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:49.500
I shouldn't say that.

586
00:27:50.220 --> 00:27:53.579
It's almost a Harry Potter reunion.

587
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:54.839
Yeah.

588
00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:57.660
I think the one problem.

589
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:04.619
And again, it's a typically chibnal thing is having our

590
00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:10.200
acquisitive, money hungry person given a Jewish name.

591
00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:13.500
Oh, I didn't pick up on that.

592
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:14.880
It might have been.

593
00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:17.880
Yeah, I think it might have been better to go for a space name.

594
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:19.799
I think it is a bit unfortunate.

595
00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:22.319
Yeah, I was so good at that. space name.

596
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:24.420
He is a cheap little space name.

597
00:28:25.019 --> 00:28:29.700
Now, I have heard that objection to this episode before.

598
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:34.319
And something that struck me was the director is Saul Metzky.

599
00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:34.920
Yeah, yeah.

600
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:39.599
And so not only is he of Jewish heritage, but his father, Izzy

601
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:47.640
Metzstein, was in Berlin in 1938 and he and his 4 siblings, their

602
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:50.400
mother got them out of the country, sent them to England and

603
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.180
joined them and they settled in Scotland and that's where Saul was

604
00:28:54.180 --> 00:28:55.140
sort of brought up as well.

605
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:59.700
And so I have to think that if that consideration was there by the

606
00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:02.640
production team, You do at least have a Jewish director.

607
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.880
Yeah, someone's voice was heard about it and clearly he was okay

608
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:06.420
with it.

609
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:10.319
That doesn't mean necessarily that it's okay, but certainly, you

610
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.920
know, like it's something on which people might differ.

611
00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:14.940
I think.

612
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:19.380
Or possibly it's because of the connotations of the name Solomon.

613
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:20.940
Yeah.

614
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.960
See, you see, I heard the name Solomon and just thought we're

615
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.140
juxtaposing with the traditional wisdom of the character and

616
00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:31.559
taking it to a ridiculous extreme of what if he actually meant

617
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:35.400
cutting the baby in half and just saw it as a possession.

618
00:29:51.059 --> 00:29:55.799
We actually talked in last week's episode a little bit about how

619
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.160
the doctor disappears himself from the database at the very end

620
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:02.940
and noticed that he's not there in Solomon's database.

621
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.839
So Solomon has a database because of course he does that lists

622
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.920
everything in the whole world and how much it costs, but it

623
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:12.720
doesn't include the doctor somehow.

624
00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:18.359
I also like the feint that you kind of led to, oh, I don't know

625
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:19.079
where you found it.

626
00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:20.759
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

627
00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:22.440
You think he's going to say...

628
00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:24.180
Yeah, I thought it was the target.

629
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:28.200
Dehumanising her. referring to her as a thing.

630
00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:28.859
It yeah.

631
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:33.900
And and then it turns out it's Nefertiti and it's like, oh, this

632
00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:35.220
guy is real piece of work.

633
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:39.720
I mean, we already know by that point that he's cremated genocide

634
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:39.960
I think.

635
00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:42.599
Yeah, yeah, we know he's spaced to the soilureans.

636
00:30:42.660 --> 00:30:42.839
Yeah.

637
00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:43.380
Yeah, yeah.

638
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.559
Oh, speaking of solo ins, it just popped into my head.

639
00:30:46.619 --> 00:30:48.839
Amy says, scan for homo reptilia.

640
00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:50.700
That is so great.

641
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:51.539
Yeah.

642
00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:52.799
She has to be in the doctor.

643
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.680
New wrong name every time I appear.

644
00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:01.799
Yeah, we do know that straight up Solomon's Solomon's a nasty

645
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:02.279
piece.

646
00:31:02.339 --> 00:31:03.480
And I agree with you, James.

647
00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:05.880
I totally thought he was after the Tartars.

648
00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:07.740
You know, that kind of makes sense.

649
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.640
And it makes you wonder what else Oswin deleted last week.

650
00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:12.480
Yeah, yeah.

651
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.839
Because the Daleks don't react to the TARDIS last week either.

652
00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:18.599
Like, they don't say, oh, that's a, you know, even if they've

653
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.299
forgotten the doctor, they probably remember the time war, maybe.

654
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.819
But that's how Lurian we see on the screen in line with the last

655
00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:27.839
time Chibnall wrote them.

656
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:32.220
So he had Restack, who was a tribute to Terence Dix.

657
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:32.759
Yes.

658
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.940
We had Malocare, who was Malcolm Malcolm Hulk.

659
00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:39.420
This solar in name, never mentioned dialogue or written, but in

660
00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:40.799
the script, he's Blatell.

661
00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:44.160
He's Barry Letts..

662
00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:50.579
But yes, he is played by Richard Hope, who played Malakare.

663
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:52.680
And that was in the script.

664
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.400
Oh, because he's like part of the same gene thing or whatever.

665
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:58.740
Yeah, they have. thought he was really good.

666
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.740
I should work out our Sillyrian names.

667
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:03.359
Like we should...

668
00:32:04.380 --> 00:32:07.200
We'll get back to you.

669
00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:07.680
Yeah.

670
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:16.740
So like I was kind of delighted the Silurians were involved

671
00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:19.319
because when you have the sort of dinosaurs on a spaceship

672
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:19.799
premise.

673
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:23.700
I do think that we were kind of immediately thinking, what the

674
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:24.779
hell is this going to be?

675
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.740
And of course, giving the Silurians the ability to travel into

676
00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:31.859
interstellar space, like, okay, well, whatever, who cares?

677
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.339
Like they certainly didn't have that in the original conception

678
00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:36.000
but why not?

679
00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:39.119
Some of them hibernate underground and some of them head off into

680
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:39.420
space.

681
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:43.319
And so you get those really nice elements of the design, like all

682
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.420
of the vegetation and stuff everywhere.

683
00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:50.400
And the spaceship itself looks absolutely incredible, doesn't it?

684
00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:52.859
And so does David Bradley spaceship.

685
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.660
Like those effects look just amazing.

686
00:32:54.960 --> 00:33:00.900
I love the fact that even in a prehistoric era, the Salurians were

687
00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:06.119
environmentalists, they used wave technology.

688
00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:12.359
Yeah, spaceship, they have a giant ocean and beach which generates

689
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.400
the energy for their spaceship.

690
00:33:14.460 --> 00:33:16.799
That's a really fun, cool concept.

691
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:18.480
There's a bit forest in the middle.

692
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.660
Yeah, in the middle of the Byzantium.

693
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:22.740
Yeah, yeah.

694
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:26.279
And it gives us a chance to go back to that location again.

695
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:31.259
There's there's roses...

696
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.319
Is there another beach in Wales?

697
00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:37.740
There's got to be more than one beach in your house.

698
00:33:38.099 --> 00:33:43.259
I mean, it's a very beautiful beach, but yeah, it's stunning.

699
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.380
It's a stunning beach, but every time you go there, you're like

700
00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:47.220
yeah, bad one, mate.

701
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:51.119
Around this time this episode went out, actually.

702
00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:54.900
I was staying with my friends, Ed and Die, because I was sort of

703
00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:56.819
doing a farewell tour before I left the UK.

704
00:33:56.819 --> 00:33:59.640
And they took me to that beach.

705
00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:02.339
It's not that far from Cardiff.

706
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:03.779
I think it was less than an hour's drive.

707
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:04.920
Could be longer.

708
00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:06.000
My geography is terrible.

709
00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:10.139
But they did take a photo of me at the top of the cliffs.

710
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:12.239
I just sort of got close and looked down.

711
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:15.059
And then Ed's very good with Photoshop and he Photoshopped a

712
00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:15.480
drashing.

713
00:34:15.539 --> 00:34:17.579
I've seen that photo, I think.

714
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:23.519
Well, in fact, that scene is very carnival monsters, isn't it?

715
00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:28.139
Because they're in this environment inside a big machine and they

716
00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:31.139
run into a cave to escape the monsters that are attacking them.

717
00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:35.579
Like it does have a real proper sort of kind of monsters vibe, I

718
00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:35.699
think.

719
00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:39.239
And I will say something, and this is something very silly.

720
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:41.699
I noticed, like when they run into the cave, there's a close-up of

721
00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:45.179
Brian and there's a join line in the rock behind him, a very

722
00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:46.320
vertical join line.

723
00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:48.119
But I went, no, hold on.

724
00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:49.619
This is allowed to be fake.

725
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.420
It is fake.

726
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:52.019
This is fine.

727
00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:00.239
Did you wonder why, because I was sort of thinking, surely Amy and

728
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.940
Rory have seen Jurassic Park.

729
00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:06.179
And, you know, they've seen where they, with all the velociraptors

730
00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:07.500
is it velociraptors?

731
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:07.980
Yeah.

732
00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:09.420
Like these little...

733
00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:12.239
Yeah, they were bloody scary in Jurassic Park.

734
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:13.199
I was terrified.

735
00:35:13.260 --> 00:35:17.940
I went to see that with friends of the podcast, Pete McTie and

736
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:19.199
Paul Masters when it came out.

737
00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:22.260
And we were all really, really scared.

738
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.539
And those were nasty.

739
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.960
So if you had actually seen Jurassic Park, and then you came

740
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.920
across and you were like, you'd be like, whoa, you'd be really

741
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.519
like, this isn't just a bit of fun, like with a gun.

742
00:35:35.579 --> 00:35:37.980
Yeah, just shoot a dinosaur, shoot a dinosaur.

743
00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:40.559
You'd be like, oh, I don't, I'm out of here.

744
00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:43.079
Yeah, these are nasty little.

745
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:46.320
It's all the same CG models that they use in primeval.

746
00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:48.420
Oh, okay.

747
00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:49.019
How come?

748
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:50.340
Because primeval's ITV.

749
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.360
Yeah, it's the mill.

750
00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:53.519
Ah, the mill did the...

751
00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:55.800
They own the they own the CG model.

752
00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:59.940
Ah, I mean, it's a mixture of puppetry and CG models, isn't it?

753
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.860
Well, apparently the only practical dinosaur was a large section

754
00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:06.900
of Tricey. jump on.

755
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.320
But isn't the, isn't the, no, there is a practical puppet, which

756
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.099
is the sleepy baby T-Rex, which they walk over. definitely a

757
00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:14.519
puppet.

758
00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:16.019
I did think that was a prop, yeah.

759
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:16.440
Yeah.

760
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:18.420
I mean, the puppetry is really great.

761
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.139
Often the often that dinosaur, you know, when they're riding it

762
00:36:22.139 --> 00:36:25.559
and stuff, it is CG and then they've got the puppet so that it can

763
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:27.360
kind of leak Brian's face.

764
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.760
It's so crazy.

765
00:36:32.820 --> 00:36:33.960
It's so good.

766
00:36:34.019 --> 00:36:37.260
His face is covered in swarf eager and he's kind of going, I want

767
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:37.679
to go home.

768
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.780
It's tremendous.

769
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.519
It's actually, um, that, so yes, they're writing a puppet. but

770
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.000
most of those scenes are then see, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

771
00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:49.619
CG mapped onto the...

772
00:36:49.619 --> 00:36:49.920
Yeah.

773
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:55.980
For the motion shots to cover that it's more just that you want

774
00:36:55.980 --> 00:37:00.119
the reference material, so you can get everything exactly right.

775
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.619
I could tell you too that as somebody who rides horses, there's no

776
00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:07.860
way that you would be able to sit on the back of that triceratops

777
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:08.760
without falling off.

778
00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:14.639
I love Matt going, how do you start a triceratops?

779
00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:17.639
And then him looking for the brakes later on.

780
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:19.019
So good.

781
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.380
Matt Smith does actually say in confidential.

782
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:26.639
Yeah, this is very, very different and bumpier than riding a

783
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:27.119
whore.

784
00:37:27.179 --> 00:37:30.539
Even just like the prop on wheels.

785
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.400
I mean, that thing is so much fun.

786
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.800
And, you know, we have a fantastic dinosaur story already in

787
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:41.519
Doctor Who.

788
00:37:41.579 --> 00:37:46.079
But, you know, the puppets are absolutely lamentably terrible.

789
00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:51.420
If only they could get the CG models from this and use them to do

790
00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:54.480
the special edition of Invasion of the Dinosaurs for this series.

791
00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:55.019
Oh, sorry.

792
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:56.340
Yeah, 11 Blu-ray.

793
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:56.699
Yeah.

794
00:37:56.699 --> 00:37:58.739
Get on it, Pete McKay.

795
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:06.480
But look, before he passed away for the Time Warrior DVD, which

796
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.260
had new effects.

797
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:11.340
Barry let's turn to the animator after seeing the new effects and

798
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:13.559
said, so about invasion of the dinosaur.

799
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.460
Barry wants it to happen.

800
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.739
I think it should happen.

801
00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:20.400
It should happen.

802
00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:24.360
I mean, I just think they're so fun and so effective.

803
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:25.920
They're incredibly good.

804
00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:28.440
And, you know, there are moments where you kind of think...

805
00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:30.659
Well, I mean, they look like special effects and of course they

806
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:30.900
do.

807
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:32.820
But they're hero special effects.

808
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.119
They're ones that you're supposed to look at and go, this is an

809
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.099
amazing effect and they really work.

810
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:40.199
So let's see, what do we have?

811
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:42.179
We have Angleosaurs at the beginning.

812
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:43.800
Baby T-Rex.

813
00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:46.500
A whole gaggle of velociraptors.

814
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:47.039
Yep.

815
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:48.480
Pterodactyls.

816
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:51.179
And triceratops. and triceratops.

817
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.820
Yeah, you know, 5 kinds of dinosaurs.

818
00:38:53.880 --> 00:39:01.679
And Chris Chibnall, Caro Skinner went into the mill and had a

819
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.000
discussion and an interview about, okay, what kind of dinosaurs

820
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.260
can we actually have?

821
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.239
And that then worked its way into the script.

822
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:11.519
Fiona, would you like to describe to the listener what your whole

823
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:12.780
card?

824
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.179
Is this Tri-C?

825
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:16.260
It's Tracy.

826
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.639
It's a, um, it's one of my dog's toys, but it's a little, it's

827
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.480
it's nearly as cute as Tricey, the dinosaurs on a spaceship

828
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:25.139
Tricey.

829
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:26.760
It's kind of a miniature version.

830
00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:29.519
A miniature version with kind of...

831
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:32.400
I think so, yeah, in the show notes, I think.

832
00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:36.059
But yeah, Tracy, unfortunately, has an injury.

833
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:41.340
Not a laser gun to the head, but a chewed horn.

834
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:46.079
One of his 3 horns has been... called Solomon by any other.

835
00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:48.179
No, no, Albert.

836
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:59.039
One thing I'd like to mention before we go is it's been 10 months

837
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:03.900
in universe since Asylum of the Daleks, which in itself has to be

838
00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:07.260
a few months after Wedding of River Song, and between those, you've

839
00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:09.239
got the doctor, the widow, and the wardrobe, where they hadn't

840
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:09.840
seen him for 2 years.

841
00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:10.500
Yeah.

842
00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:13.619
So if we assume the Wedding of River Song is late 2011.

843
00:40:13.860 --> 00:40:20.039
So then Christmas 2013 is Dr. Widow on the wardrobe, that scene.

844
00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:24.780
We are approaching Christmas 2014 in this episode, at least, if

845
00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:25.920
not early 2015.

846
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:31.980
So Amy and Rory have lived through cybermen rising from the graves

847
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:35.219
while a strange Scottish woman floats over the parasol.

848
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.820
You know, I really, really like this.

849
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:43.019
And we said last week, and again, in this episode, we've talked

850
00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:48.000
about how this is supposed to be like a series of movies, but it

851
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:54.659
does have an arc, and the arc is that Amy and Rory might not need

852
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:56.400
the doctor so much anymore.

853
00:40:56.460 --> 00:41:01.619
And it's beautifully done in Power of 3 where Amy actually does do

854
00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:02.820
the maths, doesn't she?

855
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.539
And or Rory, one of them does the maths and says, you know, I

856
00:41:06.539 --> 00:41:10.079
think we're probably 5 years older than we should be or something

857
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:10.980
like that, you know.

858
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:16.980
But the distances between their meetings with the doctor are being

859
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:18.000
spaced out.

860
00:41:18.059 --> 00:41:21.780
And I think the doctor's aware of it because there is that

861
00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:28.019
absolutely stunningly beautiful scene where Brian is sat with his

862
00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:32.280
legs dangling out of the TARDIS door, looking down on earth

863
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:38.460
drinking tea from a thermos and having a sandwich.

864
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.360
And that's beautiful because we've been told that all that Brian

865
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.940
does is go to the shops and plays golf.

866
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.139
He doesn't like travelling.

867
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.719
And then, yeah, you have to hang a lantern on that with the, let's

868
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.760
have lots of photos of him and postcards.

869
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:55.619
Oh, but that's a beautiful ending.

870
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:57.000
We'll get to that in a second.

871
00:41:57.059 --> 00:42:02.340
But the point I wanted to make here. is that Amy and Rory are

872
00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:07.920
looking out onto earth and smiling and the doctor notices it and

873
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.000
is crestfallen.

874
00:42:09.059 --> 00:42:12.239
Like he's starting to realise that they're growing.

875
00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:13.079
Yeah.

876
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:14.460
They're growing out of him.

877
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:14.820
Yeah.

878
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:19.440
And there's a change made to the original script to emphasise

879
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:19.739
that.

880
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:25.619
So the way Chibnall writes it is, 1st of all, Brian's there, and

881
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:29.219
then Amy and Rory come and sit with him in the doorway, and then

882
00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:31.380
the doctor brings the sandwiches in the thermos.

883
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:34.920
And Stephen Moffatt kind of said, well, no, the arc we're going

884
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:35.519
for is this.

885
00:42:35.579 --> 00:42:40.380
So can we change it to actually the doctors not quite a part of

886
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:40.619
this?

887
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:42.599
And it's like, yeah, great.

888
00:42:42.659 --> 00:42:47.340
And it's just interesting how 2 writers have the same idea, but

889
00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:50.519
just by changing who's responsible for the sandwiches and the

890
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.400
coffee and the actor's facial expressions changes the whole

891
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:54.059
meaning of the scene.

892
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.219
Yeah, it's a really, really good scene, I think.

893
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:57.900
It's a really pretty good scene.

894
00:42:58.019 --> 00:43:02.280
I think that scene also has a great emotional resonance for Brian

895
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:07.500
and for Amy and Rory, not just for the doctor realising that he's

896
00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:09.900
losing them and that they're growing out of him.

897
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:16.559
Um, Brian, you know, is established in this episode and power of 3

898
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:22.139
and he was going to return at the end of uh, angels take

899
00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:22.739
Manhattan.

900
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:29.340
And it shows how much that Rory and Amy love him.

901
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:35.280
Yeah, and that if they had made that the film that tiny little

902
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.219
scene at the end with him getting the letter from them from the

903
00:43:38.219 --> 00:43:43.800
past, that would have had a huge emotional payoff for the

904
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.860
character, you've grown, you've grown to love in just a few

905
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:47.159
episodes.

906
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:48.480
Yeah.

907
00:43:48.539 --> 00:43:53.519
Yeah, I really love that ending scene. it's just beautiful And I

908
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.480
think on the other side, Amy is worried that the doctor is losing

909
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:04.320
interest in her and she actually asks whether he's travelling with

910
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:11.460
Riddell and Nefertiti, the way that he travels with her and Rory.

911
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:15.420
And the doctor says, no, you know, you're the ponds, you're kind

912
00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:19.139
of special, and these are just sort of people that I'm, you know

913
00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:21.420
travelling around with a bit, but you're important.

914
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:28.320
And, and Brian gets to be an honorary pond because it's his, yeah

915
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:34.679
his, um, it's his insight that Rory and him constitute that gene

916
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:36.960
thingy you were just talking about.

917
00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:40.619
And so he's the one who actually saves the day and turns the

918
00:44:40.619 --> 00:44:41.280
spaceship around.

919
00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:43.139
And so he gets to be another pond.

920
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:47.820
And it's like Pond is this kind of honorific that the doctor, the

921
00:44:47.820 --> 00:44:51.780
reason that it's Rory Pond is that Rory is as important as Amy and

922
00:44:51.780 --> 00:44:53.099
now Brian is important.

923
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:58.980
And so he isn't letting go of her, but there is something where

924
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:00.300
they're kind of pulling apart.

925
00:45:00.539 --> 00:45:04.920
Yeah, that I love the scene with the just the 2 of them.

926
00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:10.260
Um, just the, the doctor and Amy, that little scene where he, she

927
00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:13.079
just says, oh, I just feel like you're weaning us off you.

928
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.260
And um, and yeah, he does a little kiss on the forehead.

929
00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:19.440
And I think there's, the relationship in that is, is just

930
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:19.920
gorgeous.

931
00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:24.360
And I love the fact that it's kind of that affectionate

932
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.719
relationship where he obviously like adores her, but it's not at

933
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:28.800
all sexualised.

934
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.340
Whereas with, when you get Clara, it becomes a bit more kind of

935
00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:36.539
sexualised and a little bit, uh, bit dodgy.

936
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.840
But with this, it's just kind of like, oh, you know, I just adore

937
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.559
this woman and she adores me, but, um, yeah.

938
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:46.019
And did you notice in the beginning, like, it's also a lovely

939
00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:48.840
episode for Amy and Rory's relationship.

940
00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:51.000
They're actually wearing matching clothes.

941
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.320
If you go back in the beginning.

942
00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:54.719
Yeah, she's got her horizontal stripes.

943
00:45:54.780 --> 00:45:58.380
He's actually the shirt underneath is horizontal stripes.

944
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:02.280
So they're actually wearing matching clothes and they really are

945
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:05.400
like working together beautifully after that conflict in the

946
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.119
previous episode where, you know, they're on the verge of

947
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:14.760
divorcing and they're just this beautiful little unit and a family

948
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:16.920
even, you know, with Brian in as well.

949
00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:21.599
Like it's, uh, I just love them all and I love the way too that

950
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.440
they've subtly with her makeup made her just look that bit more

951
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.199
grown up as well, just subtle changes.

952
00:46:28.739 --> 00:46:33.360
Because in viewing time, it's actually not that long, but in story

953
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:35.699
like you said, in story arc, it is a very long time.

954
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.119
They have done a really good way of making her look more like a

955
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.179
grown up because she's very, very young in the, in the 1st few

956
00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:42.659
episodes.

957
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:47.159
Apart from when she's Amelia Pond and played by Caitlin, of course

958
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:48.719
when she's definitely younger.

959
00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:57.000
I really think that that's the best thing about this year's Doctor

960
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:02.699
Who episodes. is the way that Amy and Rory's relationship settles

961
00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:07.260
down to be something that is just domestic, but it's a

962
00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:13.019
relationship that's been through a lot and the 2 of them

963
00:47:13.019 --> 00:47:14.880
absolutely have grown together.

964
00:47:14.940 --> 00:47:21.179
And it's the reason I think that maybe for me, town called Mercy

965
00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:25.320
is very, very good indeed, but I am a massive fan of the power of

966
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:29.340
3 because we just get so much of that in that episode.

967
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:33.900
The other thing I think the needs to be said from that, the scene

968
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:39.000
with the doctor and Amy is the bit where she says like, oh, you'll

969
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:39.900
be the deaf of me.

970
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.900
No, he'll be you'll be the deaf of me or said all vice.

971
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:47.760
And then he's, the doctor's face when she's, um, he thinks about

972
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:49.500
the fact that Amy could die.

973
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.179
Um, yeah.

974
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.099
And of course, it's all that foreshadowing.

975
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.380
But that's what I love about Matt Stock.

976
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.579
Do I get endlessly in arguments of Joe Ford because he thinks Matt

977
00:47:59.579 --> 00:48:01.199
is rubbish and can't act?

978
00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:04.380
And I'm like, are you a psychopath?

979
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:05.340
Like, this is just...

980
00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:08.519
But yeah, just like, how...

981
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:13.920
But he's one of those actors where he can say so much without

982
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.119
uttering a word, like it's all on his face and just those subtle.

983
00:48:18.179 --> 00:48:21.300
He can be completely goofy and hands everywhere one minute and

984
00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:27.239
then very still and reflective and deadly serious and next and

985
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:29.460
that's why he is my favourite doctor.

986
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:30.840
Love him.

987
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:31.559
Yeah.

988
00:48:31.619 --> 00:48:36.360
Yeah, I got god complex vibes from that moment where he's

989
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:39.360
remembering that the reason that he originally left her behind was

990
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:43.320
because he didn't want to be the death of her and like just the

991
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.940
how his face falls as if maybe he's falling back into bad habits

992
00:48:47.940 --> 00:48:48.480
or something.

993
00:48:48.539 --> 00:48:50.519
It's very good.

994
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.719
Well,ly listener, that's all we have time for this week.

995
00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:19.739
We'll be back next week for some moral quandaries and gunslinging

996
00:49:19.739 --> 00:49:21.539
in a town called Mercy.

997
00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:25.320
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998
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1000
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Bondfinger, Jody InterTara, Maximum Power, and Untitled Star Trek

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project.

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Until next time, remember, it's never a good idea to keep

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vegetable massa in your pants.

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Thank you very much for listening and good night.

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Courgettes, good night.

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Ta-ta.

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Good night.

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That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley

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Brendan Jones, James Selwood, and Fiona Tomney.

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Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode, his kneebrox moment was recorded on the 13th of

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March 2022 and released on the 17th of April.

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with updated CGI dinosaur effects, but only FDE can campaign for a

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version of dinosaurs on a spaceship with the CGI dinosaurs

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replaced by rod and wire puppets created by Rodney Fuller.

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Join our campaign on Twitter at hashtag MakeTriceyReal.

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Maybe kind of appropriate to mention that Mass Myth really plants

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one on Arthur Darwin.

1021
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I know this episode.

1022
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But then he slaps his face.

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Like it's like, oh, you did a good thing.

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Kiss.

1025
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Oh, you idiot, it didn't work.

1026
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And like it's one of those things where it's that slapping his

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face thing has got to be just mad.

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Like, there's no way that that's not business matters, Vincent.

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So good.

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Chris Chibnell's best script.

1031
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I think Power of 3, E, maybe, Power of 3, although this is very

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good.

1033
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This is up there.

1034
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Yeah, no, I agree, I agree.

1035
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It's worrying that his 2 best scripts are in this season.

1036
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Yeah, well, what's his best script for the, what's his best script

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for the 13th doctor, do you think?

1038
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Well, do you do you count the co-written script?

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Or do you count his soul?

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You are like fugitive of the jury?

1041
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because that's the thing.

1042
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I would say fugitive, but if we're doing solo, I would say War of

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the Centaurans.

1044
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Yeah, I would probably say War of the Sautarans too.

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It is pretty damn great.

1046
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Yeah.

1047
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But I was also going to say this is completely facetious, but

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between my 1st viewing of this episode and this current viewing

1049
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I've seen Matt Smith in Maplethorpe.

1050
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Oh, that, that's out.

1051
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I don't...

1052
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It's probably prosthetic G. To be honest, I think the sexual

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content in it is tamer than the American queer as folk.

1054
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Right, okay.

1055
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But he's still bloody excellent in it.

1056
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Wow, he's such a great actor.

1057
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And like the 1st shot is over his shoulder and Rod didn't tell me

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what we were watching.

1059
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First shot is over his shoulder.

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I'm like, I know that chin.

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Like, literally, I went, I know that chick.

1062
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Where's that chin going?

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Chinny.

1064
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Is it does John Hurt call him chinny?

1065
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Chinny and sand shoes?

1066
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Yeah, chinny and sand shoes.

1067
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Yeah.

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Oh, dear.

1069
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John Smith.

1070
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Did I say John Smith or John?

1071
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No, you said John Herbert.

1072
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I've got a Matt Smith chip.

1073
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No, you don't.

1074
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I've got a chin.

1075
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Cyra has it, Matt Smith's chin.

1076
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Yes.

1077
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Yeah, in discovering.

1078
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Oh, that was really fun.

1079
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Thank you for that.

1080
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Thank you for being on that.

1081
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I think there was a little bit of latency between...

1082
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Yeah, like I think you were hearing us again after we...

1083
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Yeah, but I can fix that. yeah fix it and post it.

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I am very skilled.