WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 13:42:58 1 00:00:36.060 --> 00:00:40.140 Hello, day listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety 2 00:00:40.140 --> 00:00:43.859 the only Doctor Who podcast. that has no problem at all with 3 00:00:43.859 --> 00:00:45.420 calling it Brian's Log. 4 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:46.920 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:46.979 --> 00:00:47.880 I'm James. 6 00:00:47.939 --> 00:00:48.899 I'm Peter. 7 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:50.100 And I'm Adam. 8 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:54.060 Well, Amy and Rory will be leaving us next week, but before they 9 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:57.719 go, we get to spend a year living with them as they go to work 10 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:01.979 have a barbeque, throw out some expired yoghurt, and deal with 11 00:01:01.979 --> 00:01:04.260 history's slowest alien invasion. 12 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:06.299 Cue the chicken dance. 13 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:07.859 It's the power of three. 14 00:01:23.459 --> 00:01:27.959 So, Adam, you have been on the podcast talking about Amy and Rory 15 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:28.379 before. 16 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:28.980 Yes. 17 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.640 And how are you feeling about them generally now that they're 18 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:33.540 nearing their end? 19 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.280 You know what's weird is because I think I've ignored them for so 20 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:38.700 long. 21 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:42.840 Like I've kind of had them not in my life and not gone, like 22 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:48.000 season 7 is my least favourite Doctor Who season with Matt Smith. 23 00:01:49.260 --> 00:01:54.180 And so going back, I was like, oh, I kind of missed you guys. 24 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:56.459 I was like, I was enjoying them. 25 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:57.239 I love Brian. 26 00:01:57.299 --> 00:01:58.200 Yeah. 27 00:01:58.260 --> 00:02:00.480 Like, you know, the dad is fun. 28 00:02:00.540 --> 00:02:04.500 Um, and it was kind of like, it was, it was sort of sweet, and 29 00:02:04.500 --> 00:02:08.099 knowing what happens in the next episode, you're like, like the 30 00:02:08.099 --> 00:02:10.620 1st time you saw this, it was, I remember hating it. 31 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:11.879 I was like, oh, this is terrible. 32 00:02:11.939 --> 00:02:14.099 Why am I being subjected to this? 33 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:15.419 Why is Stephen Burkoff in it? 34 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:16.800 Like he's amazing. 35 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:18.300 He's got nothing to do. 36 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:20.580 Little did I know a couple of episodes later. 37 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:22.379 David Warner would be getting the same treatment. 38 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:26.340 Like, let's get some famous people in and give them nothing to do 39 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:29.460 put on a silly voice and stand in the corner. 40 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:30.900 Pretend they like pop music. 41 00:02:31.139 --> 00:02:32.759 Like what? 42 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:34.139 He's got one line and it's terrible. 43 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:39.000 But yeah, so Stephen Berkoff like just going, yeah, yeah, I'm 44 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:39.360 getting paid. 45 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:40.080 I don't care. 46 00:02:40.139 --> 00:02:40.979 Yeah. 47 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:44.400 I mean, we'll get to the Stephen Burkoff ending because I gather 48 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:49.199 that there's a production story behind why it's so terrible and 49 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:49.860 perfunctory. 50 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:55.860 But I have to say that this is actually the kind of episode that I 51 00:02:55.860 --> 00:02:59.460 like because 16 minutes in, nothing has really happened except for 52 00:02:59.460 --> 00:03:03.360 the cubes and they're not very interesting, so they don't occupy 53 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:04.379 much of our attention. 54 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.539 And so we just get to hang out with the characters. 55 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:10.680 And I'm thinking things like Boomtown or in the classic series 56 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:13.800 things that Peter Grimway had writes. 57 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:20.580 Like Mortred Undead and Planet of Fire. where there isn't a really 58 00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:24.120 propulsive plot and it is just us kind of hanging around with the 59 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:24.419 characters. 60 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.539 Like the 1st episode of Android Invasion, where you're like, 0 61 00:03:27.539 --> 00:03:28.860 yeah, we're just going to hang out in a town. 62 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:30.719 Yeah, we've just gone to this place. 63 00:03:30.780 --> 00:03:32.039 You know, whatever. 64 00:03:32.099 --> 00:03:37.199 But I actually like that and I kind of, I kind of think that 21st 65 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.560 century Doctor Who has kind of missed a beat doing that. 66 00:03:40.620 --> 00:03:44.039 It doesn't have to be a giant alien adventure each time. 67 00:03:44.099 --> 00:03:48.419 It can be about the characters. especially when you've got 68 00:03:48.419 --> 00:03:53.580 characters who they've spent a lot of time giving backstories. 69 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:54.180 Yeah. 70 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:58.199 And then you don't have enough time to actually investigate them. 71 00:03:58.259 --> 00:03:58.740 Yeah. 72 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:02.159 And although they, you know, like much of the Moffat era, they're 73 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:04.259 given a backstory in a sentence. 74 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:06.300 It's like, I don't remember them living in this house in this 75 00:04:06.300 --> 00:04:08.520 particular, Oh, there's a sentence saying that's why they don't 76 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:09.120 live in that village anymore. 77 00:04:09.180 --> 00:04:10.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 78 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:13.860 We've rebooted their lives so many times. 79 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.620 You know, they don't have a coherent plot. 80 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:18.899 That entire village went the way of the duck pond. 81 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:25.680 But yeah, I kind of liked seeing it felt like the most Russell T 82 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:27.839 Davis episode of the Moffat era. 83 00:04:27.899 --> 00:04:30.120 Like it's, you know, very kitchen sink. 84 00:04:30.180 --> 00:04:33.779 It's very soap opera, like there's just, there's lots of weird 85 00:04:33.779 --> 00:04:38.220 guest stars on television, like Brian Cox and Alan Sugar. 86 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:39.360 Yeah, yeah. 87 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:40.439 What is going on here? 88 00:04:40.500 --> 00:04:42.240 Like, I feel like I'm watching Doomsday again. 89 00:04:42.300 --> 00:04:42.839 Yeah, yeah. 90 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.360 And actually, Adam, both you and Nathan have put your finger on 91 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:49.800 why I really quite like this episode because you do just sort of 92 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:52.680 spend time with Amy and Rory and you need that time at the start 93 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.019 of the episode because we are nostalgic about them. 94 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.060 They've been in the series for a long time. 95 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.879 So like them or not particularly like them. 96 00:04:59.939 --> 00:05:00.660 They're old friends. 97 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.480 And so you just want to spend some time with them a bit like the 98 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:03.779 doctor. 99 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:05.879 You know, you're like coming back to them like the doctor does. 100 00:05:05.939 --> 00:05:10.079 And I think, Nathan, you like it because you're nostalgic for the 101 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:13.199 Russell T. Davies era, and this evokes that quite well. 102 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.360 I mean, I love this crew. 103 00:05:15.420 --> 00:05:19.680 Like, I really like Amy Rory and Matt Smith's doctor together. 104 00:05:19.740 --> 00:05:20.519 Matt Smith is amazing. 105 00:05:20.579 --> 00:05:22.800 Yeah, like even in terrible, terrible episodes. 106 00:05:22.860 --> 00:05:23.519 He's amazing. 107 00:05:23.579 --> 00:05:24.240 Yeah. 108 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.600 Like, he's really compelling and exciting and it's like I just 109 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:29.939 want to watch him just go to the shops. 110 00:05:30.180 --> 00:05:34.500 That little sequence where he does the lawns and that kind of, I 111 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:36.600 mean, that would not be as entertaining with any other doctor. 112 00:05:37.139 --> 00:05:40.139 How long have I been at that? 113 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:40.860 About an hour. 114 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.259 Yeah, it's so funny, is it? 115 00:05:43.620 --> 00:05:47.339 playing with the football, which we, you know, because you know 116 00:05:47.339 --> 00:05:50.759 outside of the show, he was almost a professional footballer. 117 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:52.439 So it's like, oh, this is fun. 118 00:05:52.500 --> 00:05:53.879 This is like he's getting to do his thing. 119 00:05:53.939 --> 00:05:54.540 Yeah. 120 00:05:54.540 --> 00:05:57.000 You know, like just like David Tennant gets to do the acting. 121 00:05:58.019 --> 00:05:59.699 Is that his? 122 00:05:59.819 --> 00:06:01.439 I'm kidding. 123 00:06:01.500 --> 00:06:02.220 I like him. 124 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.279 I always thought it was because he was trying to keep his teeth in 125 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:05.579 his head. 126 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:10.800 It's just he's such a ball of energy and this episode's a bit of a 127 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:11.579 ball of energy. 128 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:13.079 It suits his doctor. 129 00:06:13.139 --> 00:06:14.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 130 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:16.199 And because he's frustrated? 131 00:06:16.259 --> 00:06:19.259 Like, because you get those moments of him, like, you got, you're 132 00:06:19.259 --> 00:06:21.600 like, oh, this is why you can't sit still. 133 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:23.100 This is why you're always running. 134 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:26.579 Like, it's like as a character piece for the for the character of 135 00:06:26.579 --> 00:06:26.939 the doctor. 136 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.220 It's like, oh, you really can't rest. 137 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.639 Like, you're not, you're not like John Pertwee's doctor who is 138 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:34.800 happy with a bottle of red wine sitting in a mansion for 4 days. 139 00:06:34.860 --> 00:06:37.199 Yeah, waiting for someone to turn up. 140 00:06:37.259 --> 00:06:39.839 Touch sardonic, but not cynical. 141 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:55.019 So what we have here, too, is a new character. 142 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.300 He's only been in dinosaurs on a spaceship, and that's Mark 143 00:06:57.300 --> 00:07:01.379 Williams's Brian Williams, which is kind of delightful. 144 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:05.459 And he is really, really properly gray, I think. 145 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:06.420 Oh, so fun. 146 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:10.980 And he has a tendency to bear ham. in other things. 147 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:12.480 So I was really... 148 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:13.379 We've all seen Harry Potter. 149 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:14.699 We've all seen Harry Potter. 150 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:15.240 Yeah, yeah. 151 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:16.259 And the fast show. 152 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:17.939 Like there's, you know, when you're playing 42 different 153 00:07:17.939 --> 00:07:21.360 characters a week, like you can go a bit crazy with some of them 154 00:07:21.420 --> 00:07:24.420 and not know when to pull it back, but he's really restrained in 155 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:24.660 this. 156 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:26.759 I think the direction's quite good. 157 00:07:26.939 --> 00:07:29.100 Which I'm surprised by. 158 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:30.899 I'm surprised that you're surprised. 159 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.300 I know, because it's Douglas McKinnon I normally hate. 160 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:36.720 Yeah, yeah, you put the boot into him on the... 161 00:07:36.779 --> 00:07:41.220 Hate it, but I was like, oh, this is actually, I feel like he's 162 00:07:41.220 --> 00:07:43.139 maybe because it's so kitchen sink. 163 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:43.860 Yeah, yeah. 164 00:07:43.860 --> 00:07:46.800 And he's not having like, because the space pits are a bit... 165 00:07:46.860 --> 00:07:47.160 Yeah. 166 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:52.680 McKinnon gets better as he goes along with Doctor Who. 167 00:07:52.740 --> 00:07:56.399 Like he doesn't quite get it at the beginning. 168 00:07:56.459 --> 00:07:57.120 Yeah. 169 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.420 But by the time you get to say husbands of River's song. 170 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:03.839 Yeah Like he's actually quite proficient. 171 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:05.100 You're saying it's the Ron Jones effect. 172 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.439 I mean, he does quite a few Capaldi ones. 173 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:11.819 He's going to be with us for a while. 174 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:12.899 He does listen, doesn't he? 175 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:13.800 Yeah, yeah. 176 00:08:13.860 --> 00:08:14.459 Yeah, he does. 177 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:17.939 But yeah, like I think it's, yeah, maybe he's just, maybe it's 178 00:08:17.939 --> 00:08:19.920 that, oh, okay, I can get a handle on this. 179 00:08:19.980 --> 00:08:21.660 It's mostly in houses and hospitals. 180 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:27.000 I don't know if he's done a bunch of casualties. everyone has. 181 00:08:27.060 --> 00:08:27.899 Everyone has. 182 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:30.959 But yeah, it's like, you know, and it's just when it gets to outer 183 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:32.879 space, it's like, ah, you know, a bit lost here. 184 00:08:32.940 --> 00:08:35.639 And I've got Stephen Berkoff, who's probably terrified of 185 00:08:35.700 --> 00:08:37.080 realistically. 186 00:08:37.139 --> 00:08:38.580 I think he'd worked with him before. 187 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:39.000 Right. 188 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:39.659 Hadn't he? 189 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:40.799 That sits my mind. 190 00:08:40.860 --> 00:08:43.259 I might be wrong on that But it's interesting what you say, it's 191 00:08:43.259 --> 00:08:46.379 all set in houses and hospitals because so is the 11th hour. 192 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.840 So this is quite a nice bookending. 193 00:08:48.899 --> 00:08:50.700 Yeah, Amy and Rory. 194 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:51.000 Yeah. 195 00:08:51.059 --> 00:08:52.679 No, it's interesting. 196 00:08:52.740 --> 00:08:57.000 Brian Williams, I think Mark Williams brings so much to that 197 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.220 character because truth be told, I think the character is a little 198 00:08:59.220 --> 00:08:59.639 bit thin. 199 00:08:59.700 --> 00:09:03.539 I don't think there's much there on the page, but he just, he 200 00:09:03.539 --> 00:09:05.039 inhabits the character so well. 201 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:08.820 And that scene where he's set to work watching the cube is so 202 00:09:08.820 --> 00:09:10.919 charming just because of his performance. 203 00:09:10.980 --> 00:09:13.080 So cute, writing it all down. 204 00:09:13.139 --> 00:09:15.539 And that's like, that is proper metafiction. 205 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.360 Like that is a Doctor Who fan, watching every episode, writing 206 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:19.200 down everything that happened. 207 00:09:19.259 --> 00:09:20.039 Yeah, yeah. 208 00:09:20.100 --> 00:09:22.799 I had a friend when I was in primary school who used to write down 209 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.080 the cliffhanger, how long it went for. 210 00:09:25.139 --> 00:09:29.159 He would draw a little picture for the cliffhanger, like all the 211 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:29.519 details. 212 00:09:30.179 --> 00:09:35.700 Noting down the tint on the title sequence with the bluer or 213 00:09:35.700 --> 00:09:36.240 browner. 214 00:09:36.299 --> 00:09:37.860 What is it this week? 215 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:42.120 You know, we've not talked about the series 7A title sequence and 216 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:43.139 I really hate it. 217 00:09:43.860 --> 00:09:45.419 That's fine. 218 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.360 I've made a version of it for every week of the Monica. 219 00:09:48.419 --> 00:09:49.679 So bad. 220 00:09:49.740 --> 00:09:52.740 This is the one with the little, like the cubes in the doctor. 221 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:54.840 Yeah, this is one of the good ones. 222 00:09:54.899 --> 00:09:56.700 Those cumes actually... 223 00:09:56.700 --> 00:09:57.419 They kind of work. 224 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.399 And they don't like... 225 00:09:59.820 --> 00:10:00.720 Yeah, the stalic one works. 226 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:04.919 Yeah, but the black on red in this title sequence, I actually 227 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:06.419 think works quite well. 228 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.759 Unlike the rest of. 229 00:10:08.820 --> 00:10:11.340 Yeah, well, I think what they've done is they've grown weary of 230 00:10:11.340 --> 00:10:15.600 the terrible tidal sequence they had for series 5 and 6 and they 231 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.539 have no money to do a new one at the moment. 232 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:19.860 I have no money to do the series 5. 233 00:10:20.340 --> 00:10:22.500 Isn't there a story about that? 234 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.000 We can't talk about that. 235 00:10:24.059 --> 00:10:24.720 Okay. 236 00:10:25.139 --> 00:10:27.360 I want to hear this story. 237 00:10:27.419 --> 00:10:29.820 They didn't have any money for series 5 title sequence. 238 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:30.419 Okay. 239 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.299 But, you know, like basically what they've done is put a sort of 240 00:10:33.299 --> 00:10:36.480 filter over it in Adobe After Effects or something and just made 241 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:37.559 it look worse. 242 00:10:37.620 --> 00:10:40.620 I think it's quite a nice idea, but it doesn't work practically. 243 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.139 If it had been done well. 244 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:44.759 But how do you do it well? 245 00:10:44.820 --> 00:10:46.080 It's the story of dog two. 246 00:10:46.139 --> 00:10:47.100 It would be great if it was done well. 247 00:10:48.419 --> 00:10:51.779 Occasionally it's brilliant, even though it's not done well. 248 00:10:52.019 --> 00:10:55.799 But I think timeline should have been great if it had been done 249 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:56.159 well. 250 00:10:56.220 --> 00:10:59.460 Wow, just watch the season 22 box there. 251 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.159 Time lash actually is great, just so you know. 252 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.679 Look, I love when Doctor Who is cheap because you kind of go, well 253 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:09.299 you have to lean on performances. 254 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:12.480 You have to lean on, you know, doing everything small. 255 00:11:12.539 --> 00:11:16.860 And I think this one gets away with it in that you go, oh, let's 256 00:11:16.860 --> 00:11:20.220 do it all in a kitchen and we'll do it all at the hospital. 257 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:21.899 And they're the fun scenes. 258 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:24.360 Like, I find the bits where they, you know, the bit where Amy 259 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.399 almost gets married to... 260 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.019 King Henry the 8th. 261 00:11:28.139 --> 00:11:32.519 I'm like, is this like a 1st draft for David Tennant, Mary? 262 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:35.399 Elizabeth? 263 00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:36.179 Like, what is this? 264 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.240 Like, there's so many things in this episode that I'm like, I feel 265 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:42.059 like this has all been strip mined a bit later on by Moffat. 266 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:48.240 Well, I really like the idea, though, that, um, And again, we do 267 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:51.240 see it later, don't we, particularly in that terrible Gareth 268 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:56.759 Roberts episode, the caretaker, where, in the classic series, we 269 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.279 just kind of assumed that we got to see all of the doctor's 270 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:02.879 adventures and that the doctor's life was essentially what was 271 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:03.779 appearing on screen. 272 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:06.480 And one of the things that Moffat does is separate those 2 273 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:06.779 things. 274 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.779 So he's 1,200 years old at this point. 275 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:12.600 And we have specifically, so he can sell his characters to be 276 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:13.259 finished. 277 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:14.940 I don't think that's the reason. 278 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.720 No, no, he said it in interviews and confidential. 279 00:12:18.779 --> 00:12:20.340 Yeah, rule one, Moffat Line. 280 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.539 So he's interested in narrative. 281 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.320 And so what we have here is like a whole set of adventures, like 7 282 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.980 weeks that happen in no time at all that we get to see 2 tiny 283 00:12:31.980 --> 00:12:34.620 excerpts of, both of which are played for comedy. 284 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:38.879 I really like the scene where they're outside in the snow, and 285 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:43.259 Matt is inexplicably doing something with like a cabbage, and I 286 00:12:43.259 --> 00:12:49.259 like, and half of the Savoy staff turn out to have been zygons or 287 00:12:49.259 --> 00:12:49.500 something. 288 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:53.879 And you kind of think, wow, that's our 1st zigons adventure in the 289 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:55.019 new series, and we never see it. 290 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:56.220 Again, strip mind. 291 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 292 00:12:57.059 --> 00:13:00.840 But it's really, like, that's really kind of fun and propulsive 293 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:08.399 and stuff, but it's almost like, uh, what's happened over the 294 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:12.179 course of this season is that the doctor, even though we see the 295 00:13:12.179 --> 00:13:15.059 doctor, Amy and Rory every week, it's made clear to us that there 296 00:13:15.059 --> 00:13:16.860 are months and months between these episodes. 297 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:19.500 Oh, they say it's been 10, they think it's been 10 years. 298 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:21.600 Overall, since Ledworth. 299 00:13:21.659 --> 00:13:24.539 So 10 years since the 11th hour in their lives. 300 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:30.600 And there's something about that that I really, really like. 301 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:35.580 Remember that series 5, and I've said this 100s of times, was all 302 00:13:35.580 --> 00:13:40.019 about Amy avoiding adulthood by running off with her imaginary 303 00:13:40.019 --> 00:13:41.820 friend as a child. 304 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:43.740 And now we see adulthood. 305 00:13:43.860 --> 00:13:47.820 Like as arrived, and there's even a moment, a wonderful acting 306 00:13:47.820 --> 00:13:53.879 moment from Matt, where Amy is talking to the doctor about real 307 00:13:53.879 --> 00:14:02.100 life, and the doctor looks at her and says, look at you all grown 308 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:05.399 up, and he's sad about it. 309 00:14:05.460 --> 00:14:09.539 Like you, you get that you never want to do that thing about 310 00:14:09.539 --> 00:14:13.679 growing up, that the doctor says, and he's sort of sad and 311 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.440 disappointed, and it's also earned. 312 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:21.539 He's known this character since she was sort of, yeah, tan or 313 00:14:21.539 --> 00:14:21.779 whatever. 314 00:14:22.379 --> 00:14:24.360 And you can believe that. 315 00:14:24.419 --> 00:14:25.019 Yeah. 316 00:14:25.019 --> 00:14:28.379 But it's also a statement about the series and about companions. 317 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.919 The doctor always has young companions because he's childlike. 318 00:14:31.980 --> 00:14:36.000 And so even though he's 1250 years old or whatever it is. 319 00:14:36.059 --> 00:14:38.639 He surrounds himself with young people because they have that 320 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:42.299 Ishwa de Viv, and the series never really, apart from the return 321 00:14:42.299 --> 00:14:45.360 of Sarah Jane in the Sarah Jane adventures, which does it really 322 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:45.600 well. 323 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:49.500 The series never really looks at what happens to companions once 324 00:14:49.500 --> 00:14:52.379 they get beyond that childlike stage when they're in the series. 325 00:14:52.500 --> 00:14:54.779 I mean, there is something nice. 326 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:59.639 This season starts with Amy and Rory aren't travelling with a 327 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:05.340 doctor anymore and haven't been since the God Complex and they're 328 00:15:05.340 --> 00:15:10.740 just at home and it's been like, is it 2 years or something? 329 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:14.159 There's a considerable amount of time that's passed between them 330 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.039 seeing the doctor presumably at the end of Dr. Widow and the 331 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:22.139 wardrobe and them seeing him in asylum of the Daleks. 332 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.460 And, you know, last week, we get that it's been months again. 333 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.840 So it's been long periods of time where the doctor just hasn't 334 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:31.320 been there. 335 00:15:31.379 --> 00:15:33.659 Like he's weaning them off. 336 00:15:33.779 --> 00:15:34.320 Yeah, yeah. 337 00:15:34.379 --> 00:15:38.639 Yeah, and in fact, he is a bit reluctant about it. 338 00:15:38.700 --> 00:15:43.679 There is that beautiful scene, I think, with Matt and Karen. 339 00:15:43.740 --> 00:15:44.940 Gorgeous. 340 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:46.440 It's so good, isn't it? 341 00:15:46.500 --> 00:15:52.799 Where she says that she feels like travelling with a doctor is now 342 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:55.740 like running away from her responsibilities. 343 00:15:55.740 --> 00:16:01.200 And we've seen that her relationships have suffered and, you know 344 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.740 she's there for that young woman's wedding. 345 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.799 You know, she gets asked to be a bridesmaid, but that woman says 346 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:10.259 to her, you just haven't turned up to things. 347 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 348 00:16:12.059 --> 00:16:15.720 And then Rory as well at work with that handsome other nurse, you 349 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:15.899 know. 350 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:17.580 Do you want a full-time job? 351 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:20.700 I'll give you a full-time job. 352 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:27.299 But she, she says that she feels like she's running away from kind 353 00:16:27.299 --> 00:16:29.159 of proper life from adulthood. 354 00:16:29.220 --> 00:16:32.340 And then the doctor reacts really badly to that and he says, no 355 00:16:32.340 --> 00:16:33.240 I'm not running away. 356 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.059 There are fantastic things to be seen. 357 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.580 And I really I like that. 358 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:40.679 And then he says, no, I'm actually running to something. 359 00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:44.820 I know that you're not going to be here for much longer and I want 360 00:16:44.820 --> 00:16:46.740 to make sure that I keep seeing you. 361 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:52.620 Do you think this is trying to tell hardcore fans of our age, just 362 00:16:52.620 --> 00:16:54.179 grow up and stop watching a kids show? 363 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.960 Yeah, I wondered about that too. for kids. are you doing? 364 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.120 Well just leave us. 365 00:17:00.179 --> 00:17:02.340 We're trying to make a TV show and you're making it really 366 00:17:02.340 --> 00:17:03.000 difficult for us. 367 00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:04.559 Crazy old man. 368 00:17:05.339 --> 00:17:07.740 You can say it worked. 369 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:10.140 They're right. 370 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:12.539 We mean you, Ian Levine. 371 00:17:12.779 --> 00:17:14.759 That has to be cut out. 372 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:20.700 I have to say, I think this episode is a little bit about that. 373 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:24.660 It's about the way that viewers and fans engage with Doctor Who 374 00:17:24.660 --> 00:17:27.059 because seeing it through Amy and Rory's eyes. 375 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:29.160 They're just going about their everyday business. 376 00:17:29.220 --> 00:17:33.000 And when they hear the TARDIS, It's like everything looks up and 377 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.579 adventure comes into their life and it's beautiful. 378 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:39.960 And when we were growing up, Doctor Who was so important to us, but 379 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:41.220 it wouldn't be on all the time. 380 00:17:41.220 --> 00:17:44.460 Or you'd come home and you'd be waiting for 6.30 PM, which is when 381 00:17:44.460 --> 00:17:47.279 it was shown in Australia to come around and you were just waiting 382 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.559 for that sound of the Tartar so it could transport you. 383 00:17:49.619 --> 00:17:51.539 So there's just, there's something beautiful. 384 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:54.000 I don't know if it's meant to be, but this episode is kind of 385 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.599 about journeying with the doctor, whether that be in the fiction 386 00:17:57.599 --> 00:17:59.099 or as a viewer. 387 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:03.900 Yeah, it's, uh, but my only problem with any of this Amy and Rory 388 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:08.220 stuff is that, like, cause we're at this point in their journey 389 00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:12.779 and the last time I did a recording with you guys, her baby had 390 00:18:12.779 --> 00:18:13.559 been stole. 391 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:17.220 And I'm like, this is a goon baby. 392 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:18.359 Le Quoi? 393 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:19.319 Her baby is you. 394 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:21.660 Goopy goo, baby. 395 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:26.759 Like, it's like, it's a psychic scar on their relationship between 396 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:29.880 the 3 of them that never gets dealt with. 397 00:18:29.940 --> 00:18:36.000 It's never kind of, I don't feel satisfied in the way that that is 398 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:37.500 dealt with. 399 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:39.900 Yeah, I think the show isn't capable of dealing with it. 400 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:44.460 I just think this silly show can't deal with that properly. 401 00:18:44.579 --> 00:18:46.079 Why bring Why do it? 402 00:18:46.140 --> 00:18:48.180 Yeah, exactly. was a miscalculation. 403 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.200 And he does try and fix it, so he has Amy Kill, Madame Cavarian 404 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:53.160 which is pretty damn great. 405 00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:57.240 He has their relationship breakup over it in Asylum of the 406 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:57.779 Daleks. 407 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:01.079 So there are repercussions, but it's what we said in that 408 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:01.559 episode. 409 00:19:01.619 --> 00:19:04.859 Why doesn't she just punch the doctor in the face and never speak 410 00:19:04.859 --> 00:19:06.059 to him again after that happens. 411 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:07.319 Adopt. 412 00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:09.180 You always wanted children. 413 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:10.200 Well, adopt. 414 00:19:10.259 --> 00:19:10.740 Yeah, yeah. 415 00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:14.220 But isn't series 7, and in particular, series 7, 8 drawing a line 416 00:19:14.220 --> 00:19:16.680 under series 6 and going, we tried that. 417 00:19:16.740 --> 00:19:18.839 It didn't really work for a number of reasons. 418 00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:21.240 We're just going to go back to having fun adventures of the week. 419 00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:21.779 Yeah. 420 00:19:21.779 --> 00:19:25.980 And it is serialised, though, because it does have this changing 421 00:19:25.980 --> 00:19:31.440 relationship between Amy, Rory and the doctor. 422 00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:33.240 And I kind of like that. 423 00:19:33.299 --> 00:19:37.680 I think Moffatt's at his best where the arc isn't really about 424 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.400 space things, but it's about the relationships between the 425 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:41.940 characters. 426 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.240 And I think he does that in 8 and I think he does it in 9 as 427 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:45.480 well. 428 00:19:45.539 --> 00:19:50.460 And I think they're more successful perhaps than six. 429 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:54.779 And I still like the arc in series 6, I have to say. despite the 430 00:19:54.779 --> 00:19:55.559 goo baby. 431 00:19:55.619 --> 00:19:56.519 The gooby. 432 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:59.400 Any arc, which is river song. 433 00:19:59.700 --> 00:20:03.299 Any arc that's not to do with the characters is a space reasons 434 00:20:03.299 --> 00:20:03.660 arc. 435 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:05.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, much like the ark. 436 00:20:08.460 --> 00:20:10.619 Now with added racism. 437 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:33.660 So that beautifully shot scene where the doctor and Amy are framed 438 00:20:33.660 --> 00:20:38.099 against the London skyline is, I think, the linchpin scene of the 439 00:20:38.099 --> 00:20:42.059 episode, and it's just, it's so beautifully written, and it's 440 00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:43.440 performed with such warmth. 441 00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:47.400 I mean, you can tell that Karen Gillan and Matt Smith really like 442 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:51.119 each other. whatever you're watching, whichever episode you're 443 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:51.299 in. 444 00:20:51.420 --> 00:20:52.680 But here it really shines through. 445 00:20:52.740 --> 00:20:56.220 And, I mean, I'm not going to disc chibnal for this, even though 446 00:20:56.220 --> 00:20:57.420 that is favourite pastime. 447 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.720 But I think that that scene must have been written by Stephen 448 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:05.220 Moffat, because it is such a perfect encapsulation of what he 449 00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:11.640 wanted to say with this episode and series 7A. And he actually 450 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:13.799 refers back to that dialogue, doesn't he? 451 00:21:13.859 --> 00:21:17.039 Where he says you were the 1st face that this face saw. 452 00:21:17.099 --> 00:21:20.220 He says that just before he regenerates, which is like a key 453 00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:21.240 moment in the series. 454 00:21:21.299 --> 00:21:23.099 And it just it works for me. 455 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:27.359 The rest of the episode is enjoyable and has, you know, things to 456 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:30.359 recommend it, but that scene, I think, is fantastic. 457 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:34.920 You could almost say it's actually the linchpin of the entire Matt 458 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:36.960 Smith era up to that point. 459 00:21:37.019 --> 00:21:40.319 Like, it encapsulates not just what he wanted to do with that 460 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:44.880 season, but it encapsulates those 2 characters together. 461 00:21:45.539 --> 00:21:50.279 I think the other really standout scene is the one between Brian 462 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:56.279 and the doctor where Brian comes up to him and asks what happened 463 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:57.960 to the other people who travel with you. 464 00:21:58.019 --> 00:21:59.940 It's so good. 465 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:03.180 And the way Matt delivers it, because it's kind of funny because 466 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:06.420 you know, Matt's a young man and Brian's middle-aged. 467 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:11.759 But Matt seems older than him in that scene. 468 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:16.440 And the way that he delivers the line, it's like some of them, not 469 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:18.240 very many of them died. 470 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:24.059 And he's hesitant and he's aware of how that's going to be taken 471 00:22:24.059 --> 00:22:24.599 by Brian. 472 00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:27.960 That's a scene, I think, must have been written by Chim Nor 473 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.779 because Moffat always dips out on those scenes. 474 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.720 Always tries to throw in a gag. 475 00:22:33.779 --> 00:22:37.619 Like tries to, like the doctor would say something hilarious and 476 00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:41.099 fun and would never kind of sit in one of those moments kind of 477 00:22:41.099 --> 00:22:41.339 thing. 478 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:47.640 Like, and I also feel like Brian, looking back now, is absolutely 479 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:50.759 what Chibnall had in mind when he was writing Graham. 480 00:22:50.819 --> 00:22:51.900 Yeah, yeah. 481 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:53.160 You're right. 482 00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:54.299 Like, he's feeling right. 483 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.180 Oh, that character was so much fun with the doctor, like this 484 00:22:57.180 --> 00:23:02.339 older person who is confused by things, but, you know, needs to be 485 00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:06.900 around for gravitas and to kind of ground a younger energetic 486 00:23:06.900 --> 00:23:10.259 doctor and it's like, oh, those scenes work so well in those 2 487 00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:11.880 episodes I wrote back in season seven. 488 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.240 Let's get let's get Bradley Walsh. 489 00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:19.680 Let's do it You know, it's even more heartbreaking about that is 490 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:25.920 that Brian is the one that tells them to go with him. episode. 491 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:28.019 He knows that they might die. 492 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:30.900 He says, enjoy your adventures and then next week. 493 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:34.859 Yeah, we'll talk about next week, next week, but spoiler alert. 494 00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:35.339 I won't. 495 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:36.119 I'm really cross. 496 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.640 You know, Brian has just spent the better part of a week staring 497 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:42.299 at some boxes. 498 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.400 No, which again? 499 00:23:44.460 --> 00:23:45.539 is the viewer experience. 500 00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:47.880 Exactly what we're doing. 501 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.700 So, you know, when he says go on the adventures, it's like, yeah 502 00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:53.039 look, I get it. fun. 503 00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:56.940 It's terrifying and dangerous, but you should do it because it's 504 00:23:56.940 --> 00:24:00.359 more fun than me sitting here making notes on what I'm looking 505 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:00.480 at. 506 00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:03.960 I like to think that in the 1st draft of the script, Brian went up 507 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:05.460 to the doctor and said, you know, what happened to your previous 508 00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:08.519 companions, he just listed it, you know, married Troilus, got 509 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.160 pushed out of an airlock, went off into the country. 510 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.660 Went to rule some space races. 511 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:19.980 Married Brian, blessed. 512 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.559 Or died with a brain in her head. 513 00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:23.279 I'm not sure. 514 00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:26.099 Went off with Tony Selby. 515 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:31.500 At Ice Plan. 516 00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:37.440 Which is it's a dodo that in the missing adventures gets given 517 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:38.460 syphilis. 518 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.259 No, it's a space sex virus. 519 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:42.000 A space syphilis. 520 00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:43.019 Space syphilis. 521 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:44.039 Spacefulness. 522 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.559 Is that what happened to her accent? 523 00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:49.799 Because you know, you can go crazy from syphilis? 524 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:54.480 You know, I think the doctor tells her to stop doing it in the ark 525 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:55.380 and so she does. 526 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.460 Well, if you stop doing it, you won't get space syphilis. 527 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.859 So, let's talk cubes. 528 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:21.119 What do we think of the cubes? 529 00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:26.759 Look, you know, as a device for people to be confused about their 530 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:33.059 fun. you know, it's like the ghosts in doomsday, they're a fun 531 00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:35.579 excuse to get celebrities in to point at stuff. 532 00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:39.539 Like it is a very, it feels like a very Russell T. Davis device. 533 00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:43.200 Like, you know, let's just pepper the world with cubes. 534 00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:44.160 Yeah, yeah. 535 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:47.759 We even get the, like, shots of, of, you know, famous landmarks 536 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.220 with cubes scattered around the front lot. 537 00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:54.240 Cubes being used to hold down napkins and forks and spoons, like 538 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.160 just, like everyday cubes. 539 00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:58.559 Yeah, it's really, I think it's fun. 540 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:04.740 And I also think that scene where Kate takes them through the unit 541 00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:07.680 headquarters under the Tower of London and we see all of the 542 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:09.960 different cubes doing different stupid things. 543 00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:12.240 That's the one that like makes people sad. 544 00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:15.720 I know, this person's stuck in a room crying. 545 00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:17.160 I know. 546 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.180 What are you doing? 547 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:23.160 If you ever wondered whether Kate was seriously, uh, on one hand 548 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:28.319 ruthless person running a COVID organisation, it's like, yeah, yeah 549 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.119 I made one of my stuff sit there and cry for a full day. 550 00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:35.400 It's like, there's not an inch between her and Yvonne Hartman. 551 00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:40.319 Can I just say that I think she's terrible? 552 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.960 You absolutely can say that. 553 00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:43.559 Yeah. 554 00:26:43.619 --> 00:26:44.099 Yeah, yeah. 555 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.079 She's phoning it in. 556 00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:48.059 Oh, she's, yeah, have you listened to her audio? 557 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:48.720 No. 558 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:49.619 Like, yeah. 559 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.000 She's literally playing. 560 00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:54.599 I mean, I have to say, I think it's the Brian Williams problem. 561 00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:58.380 I think that the idea of the character is fine, but there's it's 562 00:26:58.380 --> 00:26:58.740 thin. 563 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.640 There's not much to the character and, you know, I don't think 564 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:03.900 there's a whole lot to the performance either. 565 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:04.740 No. 566 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:09.359 But that's, I guess that's kind of what you want from, you know 567 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.660 you hire her because it's like I want someone who's patrician and 568 00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:18.000 kind of austere and then I'm not going to actually give them that 569 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.859 kind of dialogue. 570 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:24.720 So you're just like left with Gemma Redgrave just going, well, I 571 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:25.680 guess this is the character. 572 00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:26.640 Yeah. 573 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.220 Like, this is what I've got to work with. 574 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.519 I mean, I think she's likeable. it feels like it needed a bigger 575 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:33.000 performance. 576 00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:36.000 It feels like it needed someone like Mark Williams to come in and 577 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:36.900 inhabit the character. 578 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:37.559 Yes. 579 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:43.380 I think that's why next season you write Osgood in... to give her 580 00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:47.940 the driving plot elements and you just have Gemma Redgrave 581 00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:49.019 wandering around in the background. 582 00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:54.480 Yeah. kind of wondering what the script's about. 21st century 583 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.039 Doctor Who cannot get unit. 584 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:56.460 Right. 585 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.480 Now, it just cannot recapture that fun and that warmth of the 586 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.519 1970s because it's not trying to do that. 587 00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:06.660 The 1970s year note was the brigadier helped by Captain Yates 588 00:28:06.660 --> 00:28:10.019 Sergeant Benton, and Corporal Bell, getting attacked by blob 589 00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:12.240 monsters, you know, in a corner of the laboratory. 590 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.420 Whereas they try to make it a 21st century organisation. 591 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.400 And it doesn't work because of that. 592 00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:19.680 It just turns out to be soldiers running around. 593 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:23.160 And so it was the same problem that we had, if you remember, our 594 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.039 podcast on Santaran strategym, where you get that replacement 595 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.519 brigadier character and his sidekick and they make 0 impression. 596 00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:30.299 Yeah. 597 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.299 I mean, quite dull. except on each other's lips. 598 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:35.940 Oh, the kiss at the end, you. 599 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:41.460 You know, like they bring her back as recently as flux, for God's 600 00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:44.220 sake, to, for some reason. 601 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:46.079 Well, like you've had something to do. 602 00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:49.920 She had to go into the tunnels with everyone else. obsessed with 603 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:50.460 those tunnels. 604 00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.140 Like, that is a spinoff. want to write. 605 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.839 Williamson in his tunnels with Kate. 606 00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:57.420 No, phone big finish. 607 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:01.440 Some other people and they just go into tunnels and have 608 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:03.180 adventures and then pop back out again. 609 00:29:03.299 --> 00:29:05.579 That sounds like a fast way to the space syphilis. 610 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.519 Yeah, I've got space syphilis in my tunnel. 611 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.880 Sure you can get a pill for that. 612 00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:16.440 Or an injection. 613 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.859 Yeah, probably now, but not back then because it's set in 614 00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:20.640 Victorian area. 615 00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:24.599 Oh, yeah, you've got to get stracks and men, men, ambassador 616 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:25.019 Jenny. 617 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:26.519 They're all going in the tunnel. 618 00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:35.519 I think the cubes look brilliant. 619 00:29:35.579 --> 00:29:36.119 Yeah. 620 00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:39.900 There's something very Apple about them and the fact that we call 621 00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:40.500 them devices. 622 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:44.279 She she compares them to iPads falling from the sky. 623 00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:48.839 So there is that it's sort of explicitly there, I think. 624 00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:51.960 When was the iPad introduced? 625 00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:52.920 Was it around that time? 626 00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:54.480 Yeah, no, it must be. 627 00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:56.579 It must be a reasonably new thing, I think at that point. 628 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:02.099 Yeah, I think it is a very Russell T. Davis thing, but I do think 629 00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:05.880 that what isn't very Russell T. Davis is what they're here to do. 630 00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:07.079 Oh, yeah. 631 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.000 Which I still don't understand. 632 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:10.440 Well... 633 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.819 So they're here to give everyone a heart attack. 634 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.920 I mean, it's so yucky. 635 00:30:16.980 --> 00:30:21.000 And it's like, there's a line of dialogue from Kate saying it's a 636 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.440 3rd of the population seems to have been affected by this. 637 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:30.720 And we get lots of sort of scenes, CCTV scenes of people kind of 638 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:35.579 rolling around on the floor, having heart attacks, which you. 639 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.279 And then it's all better and obviously there's no consequences. 640 00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:40.440 They defibrillate the entire population. 641 00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:42.900 Because that's such a precise thing. 642 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:47.880 That reminds me of Christmas invasion. 643 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:50.099 Yeah, but Christmas invasion's fun. 644 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.440 I think it is like the Christmas invasion, but remember what 645 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.799 happens in the Christmas invasion, is that everyone goes up and 646 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:59.279 stands on the corner of a roof, and that's weird. 647 00:30:59.339 --> 00:31:00.960 It's something you would never have thought of. 648 00:31:01.019 --> 00:31:03.059 It's a bit fantastic. 649 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.099 It leads to sort of interesting visual. 650 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:06.480 It's the Tower of London. 651 00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:07.259 Yeah, yeah. 652 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:08.819 But this is like heart attacks? 653 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.180 That's miserable, you know, and that's a chibnal thing. 654 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.720 That's right And what it reminded me of, actually, James was 655 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.319 partners in crime, where it's funny because you get, you know, a 656 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.259 3rd of the world's population collapsing as their fat detaches. 657 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.839 Yeah, you know, that's sort of, it's got a thing to it. 658 00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:27.119 Whereas heart attacks are a bit icky. 659 00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:29.519 Yeah, well, I think that's the difference between this and 660 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.579 Christmas invasion as well because there is that very specific 661 00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:37.259 line that Russell gives the doctor about, you know, you can't 662 00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:40.019 compel someone to commit suicide off the roof. 663 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.480 Like he makes it very clear that it was a feint. 664 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:46.740 Yes, you might be scary people by doing this, but you were never 665 00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:50.460 going to actually kill them all. whereas this is killing them 666 00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:50.700 all. 667 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:51.480 Yeah. 668 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.640 Like, those dogs. 669 00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:55.500 Yeah, like the dogs. 670 00:31:55.559 --> 00:32:00.059 I also think like, you know, from flux where all the dogs die. 671 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:00.779 All the dogs die. 672 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.500 I mean, that is a very, look, that is a very chibnal thing. writing 673 00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:08.819 is deceptively silly and fun, but it's really bleak. 674 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.720 Like all of the Silurians get killed in dinosaurs on a spaceship. 675 00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:14.700 It's a fun romp and it's great. 676 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.579 And then you get to the end, it's like, oh, there's been a 677 00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:18.180 genocide. 678 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:19.920 Yeah, for profit. 679 00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:21.299 It's very Eric Seyward. 680 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:22.079 Well, yeah. 681 00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:26.460 No, I think about the timeless children or whatever that rich. 682 00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:27.059 I try not to. 683 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.359 And like there's 7 human beings left. 684 00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:35.400 You know, like there is always a kind of like a horrible 685 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:36.119 bleakness. 686 00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:40.079 And, you know, there's a bleakness in Russell's writing that hides 687 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:41.160 under the surface. 688 00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:44.160 But he's kind of like personal apocalypse. 689 00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:44.640 Yeah. 690 00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:46.980 Whereas gyminal rights actual apocalypse. 691 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:49.140 Yeah, so it goes beyond bleakness to kind of nihilism. 692 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.579 Yeah, it's nasty. 693 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.900 Russell kind of keeps his bleakness under control most of the time 694 00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:59.039 unless he's, you know, hitting a deadline or something like that. 695 00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:01.559 He tortures individuals. 696 00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:05.460 Whereas Chibnall seems to just wipe out entire races. 697 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:05.940 Yeah. 698 00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:09.480 Like, he wipes out, like, all of the Daleks in the Cybermen and 699 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:10.259 the Sotaris. 700 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:11.460 Oh, well. 701 00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.859 And what's he got against the following week? 702 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.660 What's he got against reptiles? 703 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.900 He kills all the dinosaurs before they kills all the silurian. 704 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:19.740 Killing everyone. 705 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.000 Yeah. 706 00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:24.119 I think that that is a bit miserable. 707 00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:28.920 And there is a problem with Stephen Berkoff that actually ruins 708 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:29.819 the ending a bit. 709 00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:34.740 I mean, it's not very clear what happened because people sort of 710 00:33:34.740 --> 00:33:38.940 talk around it, but it seems that he wouldn't deliver the 711 00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:43.440 character as it was written and so actually didn't deliver some 712 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.900 lines or there were disagreements or something. 713 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:47.940 They just couldn't get the performance out of him that they 714 00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:48.299 needed. 715 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.319 And so they ended up basically cutting and running and going, okay 716 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:53.460 we'll just use what we've got. 717 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.819 And so they brought in either chibnal or Moffat to physically 718 00:33:56.819 --> 00:34:01.019 rewrite the climax of the episode to use the footage that they had 719 00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:03.900 of him, which is why suddenly he becomes a hologram. 720 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.359 Yeah, so he's a hologram that blips in and out. 721 00:34:06.420 --> 00:34:10.920 You've got Matt Smith given the task of a big speech explaining 722 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:12.000 what the hell is going on. 723 00:34:12.059 --> 00:34:16.139 You get the tally, which seems to make no sense. 724 00:34:16.139 --> 00:34:22.139 And another cheap no thing is trying to make things interesting by 725 00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:24.780 making them time Lord things. 726 00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:29.579 So the Shakri or whatever they're called are Time Lord monsters 727 00:34:29.579 --> 00:34:30.119 and stuff. 728 00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:32.460 Oh yeah, he thought they were a myth from his childhood. 729 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:33.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 730 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:37.619 Like, you know, the frog has to be from Time Lord mythology as 731 00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:42.719 well and it takes you away or whatever. plus the entirety of 732 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:43.380 Jody's era. 733 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.739 This is this is someone who grew up on 80s doctor. 734 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:47.400 Yeah, yeah. 735 00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:52.920 And that was like from about 1980 onwards, like the time lords got 736 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.360 mentioned in every single story. 737 00:34:54.420 --> 00:34:56.219 Like, I was sick of it and I was 10. 738 00:34:56.579 --> 00:34:57.179 Yeah. 739 00:34:57.179 --> 00:35:02.099 So yeah, I think that's just someone who's grown up thinking that 740 00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:04.440 that means the stakes are really high. 741 00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:06.780 And it's like, well, it doesn't have to. 742 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:08.280 Like the stakes can be low. 743 00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:12.179 It can, which for most of this episode they are, and it's really 744 00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:14.880 enjoyable, and it's when the stakes get ramped up that it's like 745 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.500 and I've stopped caring. 746 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:17.280 Yeah. 747 00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:21.119 But also it's just like an easy path to universe building. 748 00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:23.099 You know, everyone knows each other. 749 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:24.599 This is not a random monster. 750 00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:26.579 It's time, Lord Monster. et cetera. 751 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:28.500 But it is a mess. 752 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.300 Like, I think it is a problem. 753 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:35.280 The moment a normal Doctor Who episode kicks in, it all goes to 754 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:35.579 hell. 755 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:41.159 Like, I still don't know what those cube-faced people are... what's 756 00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:41.519 happening there? 757 00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:42.360 twins. 758 00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:42.659 Yeah. 759 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:43.559 Yeah. 760 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.000 Why are they kidnapping people? 761 00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:45.900 Yeah, yeah. 762 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:46.739 They're white. 763 00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:47.460 Did they get... 764 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:49.019 Like, I saw that they got Brian out. 765 00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.119 But the other people, did they get out of the space? 766 00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:51.900 I don't know. 767 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.159 Or they just blow up? 768 00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:55.139 yeah but we don't care. 769 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.000 At that moment. 770 00:35:57.059 --> 00:36:00.239 But at that moment, it's kind of like the production crew are all 771 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:05.219 just trying to stay alive until we get, what, 41 minutes out of 772 00:36:05.219 --> 00:36:10.440 the episode. short episode because the climax has been so horribly 773 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:11.639 butchered, I think. 774 00:36:11.699 --> 00:36:16.079 But fortunately, the important parts of the episode aren't that at 775 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:16.320 all. 776 00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:21.539 Like that's dumb and disposable and we end really well, I think. 777 00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:24.780 I mean, I think there is kind of a poetic justice in the fact that 778 00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:28.019 Chris Chipner went on television to criticise Pip and Jane Baker 779 00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:30.119 in the 1980s. 780 00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:31.260 How dare he? 781 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:32.340 And guess what? 782 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.760 They had to come in at the last minute and rewrite a climax to a 783 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.699 story using locations they already had, et cetera, et cetera. 784 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.840 Now it's your turn. they did it better. 785 00:36:43.739 --> 00:36:45.300 No, yeah. 786 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:46.619 I mean, it is a problem. 787 00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.320 This would be a much better episode if it felt like it had an 788 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:53.219 organic ending to it, as opposed to just kind of, you know, like 789 00:36:53.219 --> 00:36:56.460 Nathan said, the space things kick in, and then it just kind of 790 00:36:56.460 --> 00:36:57.539 flops. 791 00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.219 But it's not what the episode is about. 792 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.980 The episode's about Amy and Rory, and that doesn't impact on that 793 00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:02.219 I think. 794 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.099 And I think that happens a lot in Chibnell's era. 795 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.179 Like, you know, Rose is an amazing episode where the space racist 796 00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:13.619 has is there for plot expediency and then you go, why was he 797 00:37:13.619 --> 00:37:13.800 there? 798 00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:14.400 Yeah. 799 00:37:14.460 --> 00:37:15.480 And what was he doing? 800 00:37:15.539 --> 00:37:18.960 And you just go like, oh, he was just there to drive all these 801 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.219 great scenes that you've come up with. 802 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:21.900 And I think the same thing with this. 803 00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:24.480 It's like we've got all these great scenes that are going to be 804 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.539 driven by these weird boxes and then we have to have some space 805 00:37:27.539 --> 00:37:30.179 business at the end to finish it and we'll get around to that. 806 00:37:30.300 --> 00:37:30.840 Yeah. 807 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.940 It is kind of a nice idea. 808 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.199 It offers you good visuals with the cubes and a lot of fun scenes 809 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.840 like Nathan was saying earlier with kind of the cubes just doing 810 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:40.380 different things. 811 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.119 It carries you along. 812 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:46.500 And I think the idea of the slow invasion is a nice one because 813 00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:47.579 that is human nature. 814 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.699 People just get used to things, you know, bit by bit. 815 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.519 And I mean, I think they should have called it the slow invasion 816 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:54.900 except I've seen the slow invasion. 817 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.219 That was the invasion of time. 818 00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.860 So I'll go with the power of three. 819 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:03.780 I also, like, I know you mentioned it in the intro, but the 820 00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:04.559 chicken dance. 821 00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:07.559 The cube that's playing the chicken dance. 822 00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:13.139 I'm like that is insidious. evil. on a loop. on a loop. 823 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:13.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 824 00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:18.659 They have it in a soundproof booth. to protect everyone from. 825 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.360 But, you know, like, because there's been no kind of mention of 826 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.119 the motivation of these cubes, but when you hear that one, like, I 827 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.519 feel like the doctor should have been like, oh, no, they're evil 828 00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:27.420 and they need to be stopped. 829 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:48.659 It is really well shot, that last scene and the last shot. 830 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.619 And there's something heartwarming about it, just watching Amy and 831 00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:54.960 Rory go off on their adventures with the doctor. 832 00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:00.000 And I believe it was the last thing that Karen Gillen and Arthur 833 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:00.840 Darville shot for the series. 834 00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:01.559 Oh, wow. 835 00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:03.239 Wow, this is the actual final scene. 836 00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:04.079 That's right. 837 00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:05.280 And so it was the end of the day. 838 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:09.059 Obviously, Power of 3 was shot after Angels take Manhattan. 839 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.480 And so they just set it up so that they had those nice shots, no 840 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.679 lines where they look mistily towards the camera, i.e. Brian, and 841 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:18.840 then head off into the TARDIS and close the door. 842 00:39:18.900 --> 00:39:21.119 And there's something beautiful about that. 843 00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:25.860 It's just a nice synchronicity between real life and the fiction 844 00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:26.400 of the show. 845 00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:28.559 Yeah, it's really sweet. 846 00:39:28.619 --> 00:39:33.539 I mean, it's sad that, um, you know, Karen Gillen has had an 847 00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:37.619 amazing career in Hollywood because I feel like I would love her 848 00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:38.820 big finish story. 849 00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:46.679 Like Amy has like, you know, is one of the untapped characters. 850 00:39:46.739 --> 00:39:49.619 Like there's heaps of stuff being done with all the Russell T 851 00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:51.780 Davis characters, but I feel like the Moffatt characters other 852 00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:53.460 than, say, River song. 853 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.579 Oh, or Arthur Darville as the loaner. 854 00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:57.960 Yeah, he's got his own his own one. 855 00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:02.760 But yeah, I feel like she would be like so much fun. 856 00:40:02.820 --> 00:40:05.880 But, you know, she's a busy girl. 857 00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:08.699 I'd love to see her and Bill Potts team up. 858 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.159 Oh man. again, another one. 859 00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:12.840 Where's where's my Bill Potts being serious? 860 00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:13.920 Yeah, so great. 861 00:40:40.980 --> 00:40:43.980 Well, listen, that's all we have time for this week. 862 00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:48.360 We'll be back next week for an upsetting final goodbye in the 863 00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.219 Angels Takeman happening. 864 00:40:50.340 --> 00:40:53.579 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 865 00:40:53.579 --> 00:40:56.219 and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook 866 00:40:56.219 --> 00:41:00.480 at FTE podcast on Twitter and on our website, Flightthrough 867 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.900 Entirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts 868 00:41:03.900 --> 00:41:08.579 Bondfinger, Jody Interterterra, maximum power, and Untitled Star 869 00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:09.420 Trek project. 870 00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:11.579 Adam, where can people find you? 871 00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:15.000 Adam Richard has a theory where I talk about Doctor Who every day 872 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:15.659 of the week. 873 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.699 I'm an insane person. 874 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.579 And also I read Mariah Carey's memoir. 875 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.039 The meaning of Mariah Carey in my podcast, Me. 876 00:41:23.099 --> 00:41:25.980 I am a memoir, the meaning of the meaning of Mariah Carey. 877 00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:30.539 Brilliant. 878 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.920 Well, until next time, remember, don't mock the log. 879 00:41:34.980 --> 00:41:37.139 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 880 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.340 Good night. 881 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.059 Good night. 882 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:39.900 See you. 883 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:48.179 That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter 884 00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:50.099 Griffiths, Adam Richard, and James Selwood. 885 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.139 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lan. 886 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.800 This episode, Stop Watching a Kids show, was recorded on the 20th 887 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.619 of March 2022 and released on the 1st of May. 888 00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:03.300 By this time next week, a new Star Trek series will have ended the 889 00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:03.539 world. 890 00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:07.260 So to celebrate that momentous event, why not join me and Joe Ford 891 00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:09.059 at Untitled Star Trek Project? 892 00:42:09.059 --> 00:42:12.719 For 6 months of weekly episodes about nearly every Star Trek 893 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:13.260 series? 894 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.639 That's untitled Star Trek Project.com or wherever good podcasts 895 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:18.360 can be found. 896 00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:25.139 And I know like Capaldi's apparently got a thing where he won't. 897 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:28.679 No, he won't come back while Jody's there. 898 00:42:28.739 --> 00:42:32.340 Oh, that's a, that's like he was like, I don't want to come back 899 00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:34.920 while the very next one is there. 900 00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:37.380 Did you mean the big finish or did the show? 901 00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:40.500 I'm not coming back while Judy's done. 902 00:42:40.739 --> 00:42:44.159 No, it's like, you know, it's her time to be the doctor and I 903 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.800 don't want to, you know, be running around saying I'm the doctor 904 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:48.659 like 3 weeks after I finish being the doctor. 905 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:50.039 Makes sense. 906 00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:51.119 He's a fan. 907 00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:52.440 Yeah, because he's a fan. 908 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.139 Because he knows, you know, he will do it. 909 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.059 He will do it at some point. because he's a fan. 910 00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.860 He's also been quite busy. 911 00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:00.059 Yeah, yeah. 912 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.739 I mean, he's also now a big Hollywood star. 913 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:02.820 What's going on? 914 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.340 When did Doctor Who turn people into famous stuff? 915 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:06.840 Yeah, I know it used to ruin their careers. 916 00:43:06.900 --> 00:43:08.219 I liked it back then. 917 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:13.920 One of my favourite French and Saunders sketches is where... 918 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.380 Like Tilly, who will be familiar to people. 919 00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:17.760 Oh, Doctor Who. 920 00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:19.679 Helen Mirren. 921 00:43:19.739 --> 00:43:21.360 The master class. 922 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.500 Is that the episode with the there's nothing as stale as that 923 00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:26.940 woman's infinite variety? 924 00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:32.159 My favourite line from that, which I have said before in real life 925 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:36.300 and feel terrible about it, is when do I have to stop apologising 926 00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:37.079 for being famous? 927 00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:45.119 I mean, I am angry at the old series that it denied us Sarah 928 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.400 Sutton's Hollywood career. that's true. 929 00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:51.000 No one was coming back from terminus, though, were they? 930 00:43:54.059 --> 00:43:56.039 did a very slow strip tease in that episode. 931 00:43:56.340 --> 00:43:58.619 Of all of the... 932 00:43:58.619 --> 00:44:00.059 The year of the slow strict teas. 933 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:05.400 Of all of the lead cast from this version of the show, the one 934 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.659 that's had the least successful career in recent years is Matt. 935 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:10.860 He did the crown. 936 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:14.519 Yeah, he did Terminator Genesis and got completely kind of out. 937 00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:16.619 You see this Morbius thing that sounded good, yeah. 938 00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:18.599 He was holidaying in television. 939 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.280 Like, I mean, Darville got a lead role. 940 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.260 Well, before they got rid of it. 941 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:26.280 Well, they did. 942 00:44:26.340 --> 00:44:29.280 Yeah, he got he got a lead role as Doctor Who. 943 00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:34.500 He was, but he wasn't fake pretty enough to lead a, yeah, a CW 944 00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:34.860 show. 945 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.380 I think we're done. 946 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.519 Yeah, we're talking about your team. 947 00:44:41.579 --> 00:44:44.940 I think no, no. unless anyone's got any sort of thing urgent. 948 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:46.739 Don't forget the outro. 949 00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:50.460 You did the outro. 950 00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.019 See, I don't know how to end it now. 951 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.159 We just never stop talking. 952 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.179 Oh, Jesus Christ, I have literally done that. 953 00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:58.260 I'm going to press stop. 954 00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.880 I'm going to piss off.