WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 13:45:00 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:40.380 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight to Entirety, the 2 00:00:40.380 --> 00:00:43.560 only Doctor Who podcast that's really worried about having Richard 3 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:45.479 E. Grant living in our plumbing. 4 00:00:45.539 --> 00:00:47.100 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:48.359 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:48.420 --> 00:00:49.259 I'm James. 7 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:50.280 I'm Peter. 8 00:00:50.340 --> 00:00:53.820 Well, it's the 1st episode of a new season, sort of. 9 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.700 And so the doctor's back on earth meeting his new companion for 10 00:00:56.700 --> 00:00:58.079 the 1st time, sort of. 11 00:00:58.140 --> 00:00:59.820 It's 2013. 12 00:01:00.060 --> 00:01:03.420 We're living in a Wi-Fi soup and Habo Hotel is the biggest thing 13 00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:04.319 on the internet. 14 00:01:04.379 --> 00:01:08.640 And it turns out that the ringing in our ears is the bells of St. 15 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:09.239 John. 16 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:31.560 Or as I like to call it, what Claudia Bing did next. 17 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:37.739 Yeah, we finally have Celia, Emory, Star Wars, Celia, Emory. 18 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:39.480 Celia Emory of Bing, bing, bing, bing. 19 00:01:39.540 --> 00:01:46.079 So she does actually fly one of those Naboo spaceships in the 20 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:47.579 Phantom Menace. 21 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:52.680 Her son Angus is 0 on Star Trek prodigy. 22 00:01:52.739 --> 00:01:57.060 So this is a pretty serious kind of... was her grandmother and the 23 00:01:57.060 --> 00:01:57.599 tomorrow people. 24 00:01:57.659 --> 00:01:58.319 Yeah, yeah. 25 00:01:58.859 --> 00:02:00.540 Every scene. 26 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:03.060 She was the Clara of the tomorrow people. 27 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:04.260 She was Taiso. 28 00:02:05.459 --> 00:02:07.620 Such a versatile actress. 29 00:02:08.099 --> 00:02:12.840 Yeah, I feel like Celia Imory's casting in this is Moffat going 30 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.780 all right, yes, I should have given Olivia Coleman more to do 31 00:02:15.780 --> 00:02:16.139 here. 32 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:21.120 Have Celia Emory. being just fabulous and evil and delicious. 33 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:26.879 So she is kind of the Miss Foster of this episode because I think 34 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:31.139 everyone more or less says that this is like an RTD season 35 00:02:31.139 --> 00:02:31.740 opener. 36 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:32.939 Yeah, totally. 37 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.680 Like, it's a modern day story. 38 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:38.159 We get to see what Clara's life is like through a montage at the 39 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:41.939 beginning before, you know, the doctor gets involved. 40 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.159 We've got major London landmarks. 41 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:46.080 Yeah. 42 00:02:46.139 --> 00:02:47.039 I thinking about that. 43 00:02:47.099 --> 00:02:50.639 Is it actually the 1st time we visited modern day recognisable 44 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.060 central London since aliens of London, World War III? 45 00:02:54.180 --> 00:02:55.979 Central London. 46 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.139 Yeah, recognisable St. 47 00:02:58.139 --> 00:02:59.580 Paul's Cathedral, Charlotte. 48 00:02:59.639 --> 00:02:59.879 Yeah. 49 00:02:59.879 --> 00:03:03.719 I mean, you know, I remember at the time thinking that I missed 50 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:07.439 London during the early Moffat era around about this time, that 51 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:11.099 there was something, there was something sort of +and optimistic 52 00:03:11.099 --> 00:03:14.879 and exciting about having Doctor Who and having Doctor Who in 53 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:18.659 recognisable London rather than somewhere cheaper or somewhere 54 00:03:18.659 --> 00:03:20.099 kind of less interesting. 55 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:22.860 That's right, the sidemen marching down the steps of, you know 56 00:03:22.860 --> 00:03:26.520 Chichester cathedral. wouldn't quiet work with it. 57 00:03:26.580 --> 00:03:28.860 Yes, of course, this is pre-break, isn't it? 58 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:32.099 You know, I think that's the thing, James, because when Doctor 2 59 00:03:32.099 --> 00:03:35.580 1st came back, it was all that kind of new labour, kind of a 60 00:03:35.580 --> 00:03:39.479 British brand and all of that, whereas, you know, after 2010, it 61 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.840 had all kind of soured slightly, so we just didn't visit London as 62 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:43.020 much. 63 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:49.319 Although this was produced around when London had the Olympics. 64 00:03:49.379 --> 00:03:50.340 Oh, yeah. 65 00:03:50.340 --> 00:03:53.939 And there's been a lot of talk since the Brexit vote, it's like 66 00:03:53.939 --> 00:03:58.500 you know, in 2012, all eyes were on the UK and we were this 67 00:03:58.500 --> 00:04:01.439 shining beacon of culture and sport and multiculturalism. 68 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:02.879 And then 4 years later, this happens. 69 00:04:02.939 --> 00:04:03.599 Yeah, yeah. 70 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:07.919 And I think that sort of attitude and that sort of pride is sort 71 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.860 of typified by the scene where they land on the south bank and the 72 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:14.039 doctor pulls out his fez and he's taken back because you see 73 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:15.900 buskers on the south bank all the time in London. 74 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:21.240 But it's a confident thing of showing off Doctor Who in its 50th 75 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:23.939 anniversary year, showing off, you know, this is a British 76 00:04:23.939 --> 00:04:27.060 institution, and this is a proudly British institution. 77 00:04:27.060 --> 00:04:31.560 And when I was rewatching this episode, I remembered that scene 78 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:35.279 coming up and I'm like, I want to see if this is smug, if this is 79 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:35.759 too much. 80 00:04:35.819 --> 00:04:38.100 And I'm like, no, I think this is pitch just right. 81 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:39.839 This is pride in the series. 82 00:04:39.899 --> 00:04:40.620 Yeah. 83 00:04:40.620 --> 00:04:47.040 Not, um, this isn't a bragging moment, but this is a we're here 84 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:48.660 and this show is fabulous moment. 85 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:53.819 I was kind of taken back to Rose by that scene on the South Bank. 86 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:58.920 But I also think there's something to be said for going back as 87 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:04.740 far as things like the invasion and the war machines. 88 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:08.220 And also, given the great intelligence connection, the web of fear 89 00:05:08.220 --> 00:05:09.660 obviously, you're going to be in central London. 90 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:10.500 Yeah, yeah. 91 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:15.480 So the web of fear had been just rediscovered in the previous few 92 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:16.079 months or something? 93 00:05:16.139 --> 00:05:18.779 I don't think we knew then officially. 94 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:19.560 Ah. 95 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:21.240 BBC New, but weird. 96 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:25.800 Ah, so hence Moffatt knew, which is why we're doing this sort of 97 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:26.100 thing. 98 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.139 I mean, the shard. 99 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.379 And I remember seeing the shard for the 1st time and actually not 100 00:05:31.379 --> 00:05:35.279 really believing it and like, I can't remember when I had 101 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:39.000 previously been to London, but it was a few years before the shard 102 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:39.600 existed. 103 00:05:39.660 --> 00:05:42.420 And so there's the shard in this. 104 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.959 And then, you know, 5 years later, I think is the most recent time 105 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:50.459 I've been in London, thanks to various circumstances beyond our 106 00:05:50.459 --> 00:05:50.939 control. 107 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.399 And just seeing the shard down the end of the street. 108 00:05:53.459 --> 00:05:54.779 It's so strange, isn't it? 109 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.720 Our CBD. and point at it and go, shut. 110 00:05:57.779 --> 00:06:03.120 Well, it's our CBD in Sydney is just full of skyscrapers like any 111 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:04.920 kind of New World City. 112 00:06:04.980 --> 00:06:09.660 And London is surprisingly different. increasingly so. 113 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.000 Yeah, yeah, but, you know, in really upsetting way. 114 00:06:12.060 --> 00:06:14.759 But also it's a South Bank skyscraper and you don't get them. 115 00:06:14.819 --> 00:06:15.240 Right. 116 00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:17.819 There's very few skyscrapers south of the river. 117 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:22.319 I think it's a grading inclusion because it is like the way that 118 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:28.259 Russell included the Gherkin in Christmas invasion and that that 119 00:06:28.259 --> 00:06:30.360 clock tower in aliens of London. 120 00:06:30.420 --> 00:06:33.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah, with a backwards block face. 121 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:34.740 Whatever it's called. 122 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.519 Oh, and you know, like putting unit under the Tower of London and 123 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:43.079 having the Thames flood things house the Raknos and all of that 124 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:43.860 sort of stuff. 125 00:06:43.980 --> 00:06:49.079 We talked in our rise of the psidemen episode about having all of 126 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:52.259 the population of London walk into Battersea Power Station to be 127 00:06:52.259 --> 00:06:52.860 sawn up. 128 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.319 You know, like all of that stuff was great. 129 00:06:55.379 --> 00:06:59.399 I really, really missed it because I think at the time I said, this 130 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:03.360 is Russell Enchanting London, you know, making London a place 131 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.180 where lots of Doctor Who stories have happened. 132 00:07:06.180 --> 00:07:09.060 And so it's nice to see Moffatt borrowing that as well. 133 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:11.639 It's the double-edged sword. 134 00:07:11.699 --> 00:07:13.500 Much like the shard. 135 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:20.279 You know, you see Moffat kind of go, okay, I'm going to show you 136 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.699 what regional England looks like with Ledworth and what have you. 137 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.819 Later Chris Chipner will say, well, what about Sheffield? 138 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.879 And Moffatt, of course, will say, well, what about Bristol? 139 00:07:29.939 --> 00:07:32.579 And, you know, it's kind of like, yes, all these places, their 140 00:07:32.579 --> 00:07:34.800 centres of culture and learning and what have you. 141 00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:37.980 But a lot of international audiences look at it and go, where's 142 00:07:37.980 --> 00:07:38.220 London? 143 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:38.939 Yeah. 144 00:07:38.939 --> 00:07:41.040 You know, and I think I think that's a great shame. 145 00:07:41.100 --> 00:07:43.620 I haven't been to Sheffield, but I have been to Bristol and 146 00:07:43.620 --> 00:07:45.480 Bristols. bloody wonderful. 147 00:07:45.540 --> 00:07:47.399 And you've never been to me. 148 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:51.360 That was the previous season. 149 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:57.779 But the, I mean, you know, Ledworth isn't a real place and it is a 150 00:07:57.779 --> 00:07:59.100 village from a storybook. 151 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:04.199 I mean, it is, you know, series 5 moves Doctor Who out of the real 152 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:04.500 world. 153 00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:10.079 Yeah, but London of Doctor Who is not... is a romanticised London 154 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:12.420 because it's based around all these landmarks as well. 155 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:15.360 It's just trying to do that in other places. 156 00:08:15.420 --> 00:08:19.500 An international audience doesn't recognise it as much as London. 157 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.079 It's like torchwood making can't have happened. 158 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:25.740 It's why rom-coms are set in New York and not in, I don't know 159 00:08:25.740 --> 00:08:26.399 Philadelphia. 160 00:08:26.459 --> 00:08:27.660 Yeah. 161 00:08:27.660 --> 00:08:31.019 No, Antonio Badderas. 162 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:32.159 Tom Hanks, laugh a minute. 163 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:39.480 I think that that shot of Matt Smith riding the motorcycle up the 164 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:43.080 side of the shard is absolutely superb. 165 00:08:43.139 --> 00:08:46.919 And, you know, I was actually expecting it to be a little bit 166 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:51.419 crummy just from my memory of it, but I think it just falls on the 167 00:08:51.419 --> 00:08:53.820 right side of what we're able to do. 168 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:57.720 There was a feeling I had coming back to this season that it was a 169 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:58.440 season of excess. 170 00:08:58.559 --> 00:08:59.700 You know, the show's on a high. 171 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:01.500 It's building up to the 50th anniversary. 172 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.320 I had a feeling, oh, you know, there's going to be moments where 173 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.779 they go too far and they should have been someone tapping Stephen 174 00:09:06.779 --> 00:09:09.120 on the shoulder and saying, no, rein it in, rein it in. 175 00:09:09.179 --> 00:09:11.940 But I think that scene of going up the shard is a great example of 176 00:09:11.940 --> 00:09:16.139 the fact that he was still in control because now, 1st of all, it 177 00:09:16.139 --> 00:09:19.679 would have been very difficult to financially afford the shot of 178 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:21.659 the doctor breaking through the glass on the motorcycle. 179 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:22.320 Yeah, yeah. 180 00:09:22.379 --> 00:09:25.740 But I think the bigger reason they don't do it is it would have 181 00:09:25.740 --> 00:09:29.340 been irresponsible to show it, you know, because that is an 182 00:09:29.340 --> 00:09:33.720 imitable stunt that a child could do on attempt to do on their 183 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:34.080 bike. 184 00:09:34.139 --> 00:09:36.240 And it's like, no, no, no, we're going to do it with sound effects 185 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:39.000 and we're going to show that it's dangerous because there's going 186 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:40.259 to be a wind whipping through and whatnot. 187 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.200 It's like, okay, no, that is actually some very subtle thought 188 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:43.919 going into that. 189 00:09:43.980 --> 00:09:46.620 But as a sitcom writer. 190 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:51.899 Moffatt must know the importance of the offscreen comedy smashing 191 00:09:51.899 --> 00:09:52.259 noise. 192 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:55.799 You know, like that is, and it is properly funny. 193 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:57.120 Spearhead from Space. 194 00:09:57.179 --> 00:10:00.840 But, you know, then this Kiselet comes into the office and says 195 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:01.799 sorry about the draft. 196 00:10:04.019 --> 00:10:05.820 Yeah, it's great. 197 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.940 And I think that in series seven, the technology is caught up with 198 00:10:08.940 --> 00:10:09.899 the HD as well. 199 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.659 You've had a couple of rupee effects in the previous seasons 200 00:10:12.659 --> 00:10:15.899 through no faults of their own, but they're kind of, they're 201 00:10:15.899 --> 00:10:16.500 writing the ship now. 202 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.039 Yeah, I mean, I think this is slightly ropey and no one watching 203 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:20.340 it. 204 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:21.179 Doctor Who rope. 205 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:21.779 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 206 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.059 No one watching it is going to think that Matt Smith is really 207 00:10:24.059 --> 00:10:26.639 riding a motorcycle vertically up the side of the shard. 208 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:27.600 Probably. 209 00:10:27.659 --> 00:10:29.100 Oh, you've destroyed it. 210 00:10:30.299 --> 00:10:33.360 They actually laid the shard down. 211 00:10:33.419 --> 00:10:35.039 And tilted the camera. 212 00:10:35.100 --> 00:10:37.980 It came in when they were constructing it before it was hoisted 213 00:10:37.980 --> 00:10:38.159 up. 214 00:10:38.220 --> 00:10:39.779 Yeah, okay, fair enough. 215 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.600 Bert Ward was actually hanging behind him in the 1st take. 216 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:44.519 Suddenly Davis. 217 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:45.179 Jr. 218 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:47.759 I never saw any of this on confidential. 219 00:10:48.539 --> 00:10:51.960 Well, you see, it's only on the original broadcast version and 220 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:54.960 then they cuddle that out for DVD and they don't put in enough 221 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:55.919 Danny Hargreaves. 222 00:10:55.980 --> 00:10:57.120 Yeah. 223 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.059 It's no such thing as enough, Tannyhark. quite. 224 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.740 Wait, where was I? 225 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:23.340 This is also obviously, as an RTD season opener, our chance to 226 00:11:23.340 --> 00:11:25.500 meet a new companion. 227 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:31.559 So how do we feel about how Clara ends up coming across in this 228 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:32.220 1st episode? 229 00:11:32.340 --> 00:11:35.340 I don't hate Clara in this 1st episode? 230 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:37.679 And at some undetermined point in the future? 231 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:39.419 I do stop liking her, but not here. 232 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:40.200 Yeah. 233 00:11:40.259 --> 00:11:42.480 Well, as Brendan puts it. 234 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.279 Which Clara? 235 00:11:44.340 --> 00:11:45.240 Yeah. 236 00:11:45.299 --> 00:11:46.019 All of them. 237 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:46.440 Yeah. 238 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.600 Like there are so many Claras. 239 00:11:48.659 --> 00:11:52.500 Yeah, like I've always been of the opinion that Clara is written 240 00:11:52.500 --> 00:11:56.700 as a different character in each of her 3 series and always 241 00:11:56.700 --> 00:12:00.179 brilliantly played by Jenna, but I adore this one. 242 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:02.159 She is funny. 243 00:12:02.220 --> 00:12:07.139 She's capable of, you know, being a bit caustic without being 244 00:12:07.139 --> 00:12:07.679 mean. 245 00:12:07.740 --> 00:12:12.059 There's that beautiful bit, which is, I think, is only a 2nd or 246 00:12:12.059 --> 00:12:14.879 3rd line when she's sort of gently pushing Angie. 247 00:12:14.940 --> 00:12:15.600 Oh, have you done this? 248 00:12:15.659 --> 00:12:16.080 Have you done that? 249 00:12:16.139 --> 00:12:18.480 And Angie says, you're not my mum and Clara says, and I'm not 250 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:18.960 trying to be. 251 00:12:19.019 --> 00:12:19.860 Yeah, yeah. 252 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:22.980 And it's a really sweet and sensitive moment that tells you what's 253 00:12:22.980 --> 00:12:25.620 happened before she has to explain it to the doctor at the end. 254 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:32.460 Yeah, I think Jenna makes a great impression this episode. 255 00:12:32.460 --> 00:12:36.600 And somehow, you know, manages to do all those likeable things 256 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:39.720 without becoming unreal. 257 00:12:39.779 --> 00:12:45.120 There's a lightness of touch to the characterisation, which maybe 258 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.120 gets lost in later seasons with different versions of the 259 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:48.419 character. 260 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:49.440 Yeah. 261 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:49.980 Yeah. 262 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.480 I think that she's the absolutely generic companion in this 263 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.379 episode and this season, and I don't mean that as a bad thing. 264 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:03.419 I think she's, she's kind of Sarah Jane Smith redux in the fact 265 00:13:03.419 --> 00:13:07.379 that she just, she comes in, she does all the perfect companion 266 00:13:07.379 --> 00:13:07.679 things. 267 00:13:07.740 --> 00:13:08.759 She's played really well. 268 00:13:08.820 --> 00:13:12.059 She doesn't have a whole lot of character, and that's actually a 269 00:13:12.059 --> 00:13:13.259 classic series companion. 270 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:14.460 It's powered by the performance. 271 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:15.659 Yeah, yeah. 272 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:16.559 I think that that's it. 273 00:13:16.620 --> 00:13:19.500 I'm not super convinced that we have lots of different Claras 274 00:13:19.500 --> 00:13:22.980 because I do think that Jenna is holding it all together with her 275 00:13:22.980 --> 00:13:27.179 performance and, you know, how many different nieces do we have? 276 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:30.299 And Tegans and so on. 277 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:34.500 You know, because we're not riding to a sort of template. 278 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:40.799 Moffat wants his companions to be smarter than the doctor on the 279 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:41.220 whole. 280 00:13:41.340 --> 00:13:48.240 And here we have Clara calling him you Clever Boy, which she's 281 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.980 done in her previous 2 appearances, which kind of, it's not 282 00:13:52.980 --> 00:13:56.519 patronising, but it is her putting herself in a sort of situation 283 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:00.360 where she can assess him and where she calls him a boy. 284 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:05.039 And the bit at the end where she says, actually, no, I'm not 285 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.299 running off with you. come back at 7 tomorrow, and we'll see how 286 00:14:09.299 --> 00:14:10.980 that plays out in the next episode. 287 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:17.580 So Moffatt wants both Amy and Clara to be in charge of the doctor 288 00:14:17.580 --> 00:14:22.320 in some sort of way or to be better at some things than the 289 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:22.679 doctor. 290 00:14:22.740 --> 00:14:26.460 It's how he evens up the traditional doctor companion imbalance. 291 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:27.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 292 00:14:27.899 --> 00:14:32.340 We're stuck in a situation where the lead is male and then the 293 00:14:32.340 --> 00:14:35.580 secondary character is female. 294 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.159 And in fact, he tends to de-emphasize the doctor. 295 00:14:38.220 --> 00:14:39.480 I think a bit in this story. 296 00:14:39.539 --> 00:14:43.559 There's even a line in this story about, she's very intelligent 297 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:44.820 but not very good with computers. 298 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:45.419 Yeah. 299 00:14:45.419 --> 00:14:49.379 Like it's clearly stated this is an like an intelligent, clever 300 00:14:49.379 --> 00:14:49.679 person. 301 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:54.899 I have to say, I mean, I do enjoy this episode very much, but 302 00:14:54.899 --> 00:14:56.220 that's one of my problems with that. 303 00:14:56.220 --> 00:14:58.860 And possibly one of my problems with Clara in this episode that 304 00:14:58.860 --> 00:15:02.460 this episode is all about sort of middle class technophobia. 305 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:04.980 You know, there's an internet and people can watch you. 306 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:08.879 They can track you down on social media and things like that. 307 00:15:08.940 --> 00:15:11.100 But the factions of their webcam. 308 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:11.820 Well, exactly. 309 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:13.139 I mean, I think that does happen. 310 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:15.779 But see, QED, yeah. 311 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.720 But the fact, I mean, that's quite funny. 312 00:15:18.779 --> 00:15:22.200 I think Moffat's poking fun at himself as well slightly with 313 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:22.500 that. 314 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:26.159 But the fact that he projects out onto Clara and initially makes 315 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.360 her a bit of a dunce with technical things is a bit kind of ho 316 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:30.360 hum. 317 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:32.700 I actually do know people. 318 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.399 So Clara's, what, 24? 319 00:15:35.460 --> 00:15:41.399 I know people who are kind of bad at technology, even though 320 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.379 they're sort of substantially younger than me. 321 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:45.120 It isn't unbelievable. 322 00:15:45.179 --> 00:15:46.500 Yeah. 323 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.220 Well, I was just going to say, like, usually in these kind of 324 00:15:50.220 --> 00:15:53.639 things, it'll be the younger character who gets the technology and 325 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:55.919 the older character who's left floundering going, huh? 326 00:15:55.980 --> 00:15:56.340 What? 327 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:58.379 I actually see that as a nice subversion. 328 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:03.240 And I think what makes it work is Clara treats the computer like 329 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:04.440 it's the stupid thing. 330 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:05.940 You know? 331 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.000 And there is a line in the draft script where when she's 332 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:09.539 struggling it. 333 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:11.100 She says, what even are you? 334 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:12.779 A television you can type on? 335 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:13.919 Who needs that? 336 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.659 Yeah, it is another one of these things where Moffatt is 337 00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:22.679 absolutely a middle-aged guy who doesn't know how the internet 338 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:23.879 works. 339 00:16:23.940 --> 00:16:25.620 Oh, no, he introduced the internet. 340 00:16:25.620 --> 00:16:26.759 Impress gang. 341 00:16:26.820 --> 00:16:28.080 He did too. 342 00:16:28.139 --> 00:16:31.200 Has anyone checked with Chris bid me to see if he lapped this up? 343 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.220 It is very funny. 344 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:36.120 Yeah. 345 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:40.919 I've mentioned before that with Asylum of the Daleks, I was 346 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:45.720 fortunate enough to go see that at the BFI, and there was a chat 347 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:51.000 afterwards with Matt, Karen and Arthur, and it came up that Matt 348 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.039 Smith hates Twitter. 349 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:58.320 And that's where the, the, the line about you knew nothing about 350 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:01.740 computers 2 hours ago and you just made a joke about Twitter. 351 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:04.619 Clara's like, it's people screaming into the voice. 352 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:08.519 There's such vehemence in the way he pronounces the word Twitter. 353 00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:09.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 354 00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:11.819 I think someone asked Karen about her social media. 355 00:17:11.940 --> 00:17:14.279 I think she had quite an active Instagram at the time. 356 00:17:14.339 --> 00:17:19.079 And Karen's like, oh, do you guys have Instagram? 357 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.539 And I was like, oh, I've got an Instagram, but I don't really use 358 00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:21.720 it. 359 00:17:21.779 --> 00:17:22.799 And that's like, no. 360 00:17:23.339 --> 00:17:26.220 No, I've got I've got Facebook. 361 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:28.079 I might get Instagram one day. 362 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.140 I'm not getting on. 363 00:17:31.259 --> 00:17:32.819 Twitter. 364 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:34.980 He's a man after my own. 365 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:38.519 Did Moffat get hounded off Twitter? 366 00:17:38.579 --> 00:17:40.200 Yeah, that was another thing. 367 00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:43.740 Yeah, which is probably another place that like come from a people 368 00:17:43.740 --> 00:17:45.240 screaming into the void. 369 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:46.559 Oh, yeah. 370 00:17:47.099 --> 00:17:48.420 Yeah. a huge gentleist. 371 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:50.339 You're very attractive. 372 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:51.779 Yes, special to us. 373 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:53.940 Speaking of people screaming into the void. 374 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.220 That teaser, which is really great. 375 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.660 All I can see as it pulls out, is it next to the central guy who's 376 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:04.920 been talking throughout the teaser on his left is Scotty Hancock. 377 00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:06.359 My friend's cut. 378 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:10.019 I was thinking, because I think he was the production secretary at 379 00:18:10.019 --> 00:18:10.319 the time. 380 00:18:10.380 --> 00:18:13.319 And so that's why he's making a brain of Morbius style cameos. 381 00:18:13.380 --> 00:18:16.200 But I was thinking, I must zoom with Scott one of these days so I 382 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:20.339 can personalise the experience. just edited into the episode. 383 00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:28.440 It is one of the things that makes this not a pure RTD season 384 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:33.539 opener, is that the actual threat is pure Moffat, isn't it? 385 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.779 It's, you know, don't click on the thing. 386 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:41.400 There's this thing that inhabits something that is around you 387 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:41.819 every day. 388 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:46.319 There's a thing about it that causes you to have a catchphrase 389 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:47.460 when it attacks you. 390 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:48.900 Whatever you do don't click. 391 00:18:49.019 --> 00:18:50.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 392 00:18:50.339 --> 00:18:51.119 Yeah. 393 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:52.140 Good advice. 394 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.039 But it is that, you know, I don't know where I am. 395 00:18:56.099 --> 00:18:59.940 And it is a sort of weird conceptual thing, like some things 396 00:18:59.940 --> 00:19:01.440 living in the Wi-Fi. 397 00:19:01.500 --> 00:19:06.000 It's not, you know, rhino policeman or anything like that. 398 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.500 The thing is, when I watched it 1st back in 2013, I thought, oh 399 00:19:10.500 --> 00:19:13.559 this is a bit silly, and Moffatt doesn't really understand what Wi 400 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:13.859 Fi is. 401 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:18.420 It's not living in the Wi-Fi, actually, living in the internet 402 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:19.440 sitting here like this. 403 00:19:19.500 --> 00:19:21.900 And, you know, I misunderstood what the spoonheads were. 404 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:26.160 I'm like, oh, so what Clara's router has suddenly grown legs and 405 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.319 just like, no, no, no, it is explained in the story. 406 00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:29.460 I'm not going there, James. 407 00:19:30.420 --> 00:19:32.640 How do English people? 408 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:34.559 How do we English? 409 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:35.339 She would be amused. 410 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:39.000 How do English people manage to call it a rooter with a straight 411 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:40.259 face? 412 00:19:42.299 --> 00:19:45.240 That's the thing I love about Australian English. 413 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:50.460 We call a root, a root, and a router, a router. 414 00:19:50.460 --> 00:19:52.259 To differentiate. 415 00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:53.819 Yeah. very strange. 416 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:56.099 And the combination of the 2 is a roto. 417 00:19:58.140 --> 00:20:01.619 Yeah, I want death to the dialect style root problem. 418 00:20:02.339 --> 00:20:06.420 I think we're getting the beginning of his sort of weird doing CGI 419 00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:08.940 manipulations with heads on the aliens as well. 420 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.400 So you've got the sort of weird spoonheads turning around. 421 00:20:11.460 --> 00:20:13.920 Later on, we'll have people who can sort of zip their heads 422 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:15.720 diagonally and stuff like that. 423 00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:18.180 I mean, all of this is very morford. 424 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:21.779 It is, I have to say, even though, again, I'm at pains to say I do 425 00:20:21.779 --> 00:20:25.200 enjoy this episode, it feels slightly warmed over, the concepts in 426 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:25.380 this. 427 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.279 I think, um, it all feels like a bit silent in the library. 428 00:20:29.339 --> 00:20:35.279 The spoonheads are a bit nude-like. and I don't know where I am 429 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:37.019 sort of took me back there as well. 430 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:40.619 It all feels a little bit like he didn't have a very strong idea 431 00:20:40.619 --> 00:20:41.339 for the episode. 432 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:42.299 No. 433 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:43.980 It's super thin, isn't it? 434 00:20:44.099 --> 00:20:44.460 Yeah. 435 00:20:44.460 --> 00:20:44.819 Yeah. 436 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:49.859 Yeah, but I think that's also part of the RTDness of it. 437 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:50.640 Yeah. 438 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:54.599 In that RTD's season openers are deliberately thin. 439 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:56.279 Especially partners in crime. 440 00:20:56.579 --> 00:21:00.000 Especially partners in crime, especially Smith and Jones. 441 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:02.700 Like, Smith and Jones ends 10 minutes before the ending. 442 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:04.380 So you can have the character moment. 443 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.519 They're there to serve a purpose, which is to be accessible and to 444 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:11.519 get someone involved, who doesn't necessarily want to get bogged 445 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:13.559 down with all of the backplot. 446 00:21:13.619 --> 00:21:14.160 Yeah. 447 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:19.200 There's an accessibility about these season openers, which maybe 448 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:23.400 goes missing in later seasons and I think that's the right 449 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:23.640 choice. 450 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:24.839 Yeah. 451 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:25.440 Yeah. 452 00:21:25.500 --> 00:21:26.700 Yeah, I agree. 453 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.000 The other thing, though, I mean, the RTD openers all have 454 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.720 reasonably thin plots, but one thing that they do have that this 455 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:38.759 doesn't have is kind of interesting characters. 456 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:44.759 There's a guy, is he called Marla, the guy with glasses, the other 457 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:46.920 guy, the other guy who's called Alexi. 458 00:21:46.980 --> 00:21:52.200 So there are 2 people who are in the office with Miss Kisler. 459 00:21:52.259 --> 00:21:56.640 But Miss Kislett's really the only person there, and we don't 460 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:58.440 really get to meet anyone else at all. 461 00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:01.740 And when you think about, say, partners in crime. 462 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:04.859 Is it Stacy, that Donna goes to visit? 463 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:05.819 Yeah, there's Stacy. 464 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:06.480 Penny. 465 00:22:06.539 --> 00:22:09.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got Sylvia and the girls. 466 00:22:10.019 --> 00:22:14.279 Yeah, yeah, being reintroduced. like there's lots of fun people 467 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:17.400 and it's not what Moffatt does here at all. 468 00:22:17.460 --> 00:22:18.960 There's nearly no one at all. 469 00:22:19.019 --> 00:22:23.099 We get to see Angie and Artie and I think their father, Mr 470 00:22:23.099 --> 00:22:25.259 Maitland, whose 1st name I don't even know. 471 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:28.440 They've got very, very minor roles to just... 472 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:28.920 I don't know. 473 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:30.539 There's a couple of lines each, you know. 474 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:31.500 Captain. 475 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:32.579 He's from the sense, right? 476 00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:46.440 That's actually part of my issue with this episode, is that it's 477 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:48.599 not quite as fun as you anticipate it will be. 478 00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:51.240 And so we've got Celia Emory of Bing, Bing, Bing, and Bing. 479 00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:54.480 And she's fantastic, but I think the character's a bit thin. 480 00:22:54.539 --> 00:22:56.700 And so she's not quite as fantastic as I thought she might be. 481 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:57.359 Yeah. 482 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.680 This feels a lot like season 24 to be. 483 00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:06.480 Which you all know out there, dear listeners, I love season 24. 484 00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:10.799 And when you say, you know, Clara being a sort of generic 485 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:14.400 companion and being a Sarah Jane, I actually see her a lot like 486 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:15.000 Mel. 487 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:21.000 She's slightly sarky, but she's there to have fun. and she's 488 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.599 totally happy to say to the doctor, you're being stupid now, you 489 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:27.240 know, you're being stupid and waving your fez around and whatnot. 490 00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:31.380 But yeah, in terms of the supporting characters, yeah, Marla and 491 00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:33.960 Alexi are not terribly interesting. 492 00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:38.279 There's a line that I'm very glad Moffatt cut out, which during 493 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:42.119 the bit where she's manipulating Marla to make him more 494 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:42.599 compliant. 495 00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:47.339 He basically wanders off and she just moves to herself, who knew 496 00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:48.599 he was gay when he came in? 497 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:53.220 And now, but now she's convinced him he has a wife and whatnot. 498 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:57.599 And I think Moffatt's idea was she can change anything about you. 499 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:02.640 But there's no record I could find of why that line was removed 500 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:05.160 but I think it was probably removed because he went, actually, no 501 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:06.599 hold on. terrible. 502 00:24:06.660 --> 00:24:08.160 That's kind of terrible. 503 00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:11.400 And there's something he'll do next week as well, which I will 504 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.819 cover at the time, which again was cut out of the script. 505 00:24:14.819 --> 00:24:19.259 And I don't know from reading it if it was Moffatt or Neil Cross 506 00:24:19.259 --> 00:24:22.079 but someone kind of went, oh, actually, no, I can see what you're 507 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.059 going for there, but listen. 508 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:24.539 Yeah. 509 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:28.319 It does give Celia a bit of a chance to shine. 510 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:31.319 And it's kind of like a lot of what you see Celia in. 511 00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:34.680 She has, of course, played villains in the past, but quite often 512 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.579 even when she's Claudia Bing, you know, she's only a villain in so 513 00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:41.339 much as she's the antagonist to Eddie, but it's not like Eddie's a 514 00:24:41.339 --> 00:24:42.299 nice person. 515 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:42.900 You know what I mean? 516 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:46.140 Claudia Bing's probably altogether more professional. 517 00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:47.160 Yeah, absolutely. 518 00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:51.240 And, you know, Celia is most famous for acorn antiques, probably 519 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:54.900 but has done sort of period dramas since then and what have you 520 00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:59.279 and is usually sort of a kindly matron or aunt sort of figure. 521 00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:03.720 So to have her here unrelentingly sinister. 522 00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:06.960 While still being Celia Imri. 523 00:25:07.019 --> 00:25:10.680 You know, it's really, it's really powerful and she has that 524 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:14.640 wonderful line of no one loves cattle more than Burger King. 525 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:16.380 That's so good, isn't it? 526 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:20.759 And it's a, well, it's amazing that they could get away with 527 00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:22.380 pointing at pointing at a brand like that. 528 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:22.740 That it. 529 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:24.779 Other hamburger places are also available. 530 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:25.319 Yes. 531 00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:43.799 Can we just talk briefly about how her character ends that final 532 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:44.160 scene? 533 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:45.960 It's heartbreaking? 534 00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:50.339 Well, it's the sort of thing that isn't horrible if you're a kid 535 00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:51.059 watching it. 536 00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:52.019 Right. 537 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.220 But it's conceptually really terrifying if you're an adult. 538 00:25:56.339 --> 00:26:00.000 It's the same thing as in the snowmen's note with the corrupting 539 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.519 influence of the great intelligence on the children. 540 00:26:02.579 --> 00:26:03.420 Yeah, that's right. 541 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.960 It's also Emery's performance, I think, in that scene when she's 542 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.000 being the little girl because she's so good. 543 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.660 And that could come off ridiculous. 544 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.480 That could easily have flopped that scene, I think. 545 00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:17.279 But I don't think it does. 546 00:26:17.339 --> 00:26:21.420 And it is this sort of terrifying thing where a nine-year-old girl 547 00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:25.079 suddenly wakes up and her parents are dead and she's an old woman 548 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:25.500 you know. 549 00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:30.599 What's also quite deep about that scene is you get everyone else 550 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.779 in the office 1st and they're just kind of like, oh, hold on. 551 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.000 I came in to fix the loop. 552 00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:37.319 Yeah, that was Marl, I wasn't. 553 00:26:37.380 --> 00:26:38.880 Yeah, that's why I can't even fix the loop. 554 00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:39.359 Where am I? 555 00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:41.339 It's like, oh, you soldiers, can you help me? 556 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:43.440 And it's kind of like, okay, these people have maybe lost a couple 557 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:43.799 of months. 558 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.480 The person responsible for it has lost more. 559 00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:52.019 And so there's a sense of sacrifice in what she's done. 560 00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:57.779 But also a sense of justice and it's kind of, it's kind of 561 00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:00.779 horrible and kind of uncomfortable in that way that Doctor Who 562 00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:03.299 does, where it's like sometimes a villain will get a comeuppance 563 00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:07.319 and you go, actually was that, was that what we should have done? 564 00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:09.960 Was that what should have happened to Solomon in dinosaurs on a 565 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:10.319 spaceship? 566 00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:10.859 Yes. 567 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.299 When, yeah. 568 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:16.380 When Terence Dix writes the novelisation of the sun makers, he has 569 00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:19.799 the workers regret throwing the gatherer off the roof. 570 00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:21.119 They're like, it went a little bit far. 571 00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:22.740 Yeah, nearly as funny. 572 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:24.599 No, what a class trader. 573 00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:25.319 Yeah, yeah. 574 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.980 The thing is, he doesn't condemn, but he kind of goes, these 575 00:27:28.980 --> 00:27:32.160 people are human and that guy is human even if he's a horrible 576 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.299 monster, you know what I mean? 577 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:38.460 Just in a couple of lines, it's showing moral complexity, as well 578 00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:42.059 as character, as well as giving Celia, as you say, a great moment 579 00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:43.200 which she pictures perfectly. 580 00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:44.880 It would have been so easy to overdo. 581 00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:48.299 Yeah. especially seeing as so far, you know, her character has 582 00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:49.140 been quite arch. 583 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:56.220 But as an actress, she just really strips it down to a very 584 00:27:56.220 --> 00:27:57.299 believable. 585 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.140 And as you say, very, very scary level, which to a kid, a kid 586 00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:04.319 would understand what happened, but a kid hasn't grown into an 587 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.240 adult, so doesn't know what's been lost. 588 00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:06.900 Yeah, really. 589 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:07.799 Yeah. 590 00:28:07.859 --> 00:28:11.460 I mean, she was going to kill Alexi after he came back from his 591 00:28:11.460 --> 00:28:12.299 holiday. 592 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:13.079 Oh, yeah. 593 00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:16.799 My conscience says that we should probably kill him. 594 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.220 I also like the fact that at the end, even though I have slight 595 00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:26.039 misgivings about the episode before that, I really like that it's 596 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.400 got one of those moth at twists, which you don't see coming where 597 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.119 the doctor who rides up the side of the shine. turns out to be a 598 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.579 spoonhead and he's got the helmet on, so you don't know. 599 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.259 It's vintage Moffat. 600 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:37.740 Yeah, yeah. 601 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:38.400 Yeah, yeah. 602 00:28:38.460 --> 00:28:41.579 And something I also love about it, because I'd actually forgotten 603 00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:44.819 that watching this time. something I love about it as well is when 604 00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:48.779 he's riding up there, I'm like, Clara is all alone and dying. you 605 00:28:48.779 --> 00:28:50.819 know, and then, of course, no, she's not. 606 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.700 You know, he won't leave her alone. 607 00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:55.319 And then when he knows she's safe. 608 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.559 He kind of just rubs her head a bit and walks off. 609 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.039 And my reading of that is him going, I've saved her this time. 610 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.160 And she's not in danger now and I can go away. 611 00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:08.579 And then obviously a day or so later, he's like, well, if she's 612 00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:12.299 safe now, she, you know, we can be friends. 613 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:13.200 Yeah. 614 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:16.559 Matt is one of the finest actors to ever play the doctor and he 615 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.599 just picks out such nuance. 616 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:19.740 Great. 617 00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:21.000 It's really nice, isn't it? 618 00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:27.059 It's interesting that one of the ways that the misdirect works is 619 00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:31.079 that that's the doctor's hero moment for the episode and it gets 620 00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:35.039 given to the spoonhead disguise as the doctor and even Murray is 621 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.759 doing the kind of hero music as he rides up the skyscraper and 622 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:39.059 everything. 623 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.220 So it surprised me as well. 624 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.359 I'd forgotten too. 625 00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:46.140 And you get a proud bear holding a bag of chips, getting to be 626 00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:46.859 celia. 627 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:48.299 So great. 628 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:49.559 It's my drink. 629 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.859 I was like, good. 630 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:54.180 Lord. 631 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.880 He's really great, isn't he? 632 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:13.799 I really like one of the classic moth at lines there. 633 00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:15.960 Your dad called mainly about the government. 634 00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:17.339 He's very cross at it. 635 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.579 That is every phone call I have with my dad. 636 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:21.240 It's great. 637 00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:23.640 It's so funny, isn't it? 638 00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:27.900 And he's even, so he's reading the answering machine messages that 639 00:30:27.900 --> 00:30:29.819 have happened while Clara was asleep. 640 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:34.799 And there's one from Angie as well and he repeats this, you know 641 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:36.720 so just get off her back, will you? 642 00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:40.259 Like, he's really funny reading that stuff out and it is classic 643 00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:42.359 Moffatt sitcom stuff, isn't it? 644 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:46.079 There's another bit that I'm glad Moffat cut out there. 645 00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:49.440 Which is, you know, um, Clara's unconscious. 646 00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:52.019 The doctor puts her to bed and then sits outside because it's the 647 00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:52.920 gentlemanly thing to do. 648 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:59.160 In the original script, Clara wakes up and she's like, whose 649 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:00.000 nightdress is this? 650 00:31:00.059 --> 00:31:02.880 And the doctor says, Martahari's. 651 00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:03.839 She gave it to me. 652 00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:05.460 She said it was her only one. 653 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:06.480 I have no idea why. 654 00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:09.720 And I'm just like, yeah, but Moffatt realises the implication is 655 00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:14.220 that the doctor has like undressed Clara put her in and he's kind 656 00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:15.240 of gone, maybe not. 657 00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:19.500 In fact, that's adorable, that scene where he sort of parked 658 00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:23.579 himself out the front in his mobile phone and he's sitting in the 659 00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:27.839 chair in front of it and stuff and they're chatting via the 660 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:28.259 window. 661 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.839 I think that is really, really terrific. 662 00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:34.920 And she kind of says, you know, you're guarding me, aren't you? 663 00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:36.480 And he says yes. 664 00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:37.500 That's really. 665 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:38.460 Yeah, it's really good. 666 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.440 And he's invented the quadricycle. 667 00:31:40.500 --> 00:31:42.059 And he's included the quadricycle. 668 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.700 Max delivery of that is so perfect. 669 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:45.599 Honey. 670 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:46.740 Oh my god. 671 00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:48.000 What an idiot. 672 00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:49.200 It's so funny. 673 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.859 I have that bizarre little set piece afterwards, which doesn't 674 00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:54.839 quite fit, but it's quite fun where they're suddenly in the 675 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.420 cockpit of a plane which she prevents from crashing. 676 00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:59.640 I was thinking, when was the last time the doctor was in a cockpit 677 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:00.000 of a plane? 678 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:00.839 Time flight. 679 00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:03.000 This is better than time slide. 680 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:03.660 Yes it is. 681 00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:06.839 Again, I really like that. 682 00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:08.759 I think that's really terrific. 683 00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:10.740 We just have one scene in the plane. 684 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.359 And I think it's nearly a hitchhiker's quote. isn't isn't it? 685 00:32:15.420 --> 00:32:17.759 It's the, can you fly a plane? 686 00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:20.279 No, neither can I, all right, let's do it together. 687 00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:21.359 Is that it? 688 00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:24.180 Yeah, when they take manual control of the heart of gold in 689 00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:24.960 hitchhikers. 690 00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:28.200 Zaphord, Ford, and trillion have that exchange. 691 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:29.039 Yeah, yeah. 692 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.140 And then from across the room, Arthur says, I can't fly it 693 00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:31.440 either. 694 00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:32.160 No one asks. 695 00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:33.779 Okay. 696 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:34.380 I guess. 697 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:35.039 I guess that. 698 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:38.759 Now, the thing is, as I was watching that plane scene this time 699 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:43.380 I'm like, I know now why I like this episode so much, this feels 700 00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:47.220 like the colour series of the Avengers. 701 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.380 Like it's fast paced. 702 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:50.400 It's frenetic. 703 00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:53.519 You don't see them travelling to from location to location a lot. 704 00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:57.299 And when they do, you know, it's exposition about what they're 705 00:32:57.299 --> 00:33:00.059 going to do. like when Steed and Emma are in the Bentley. 706 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.019 It's like, oh where are we going? 707 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:01.619 We're going here. 708 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.220 Why are we going there? 709 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:03.720 They serve really good crumpets, steed. 710 00:33:03.779 --> 00:33:04.259 Okay. 711 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:05.460 There's a dead scientist. 712 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:06.000 You know. 713 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.200 Do you think that that's the dynamic that Moffat was going for 714 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:11.700 with the doctor and Clara in this season? 715 00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:13.740 I think quite possibly, yes. 716 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:20.880 And I think that feeds into the quasi-romantic element of that. 717 00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:24.779 And I think the quasi-romantic element works this time because 718 00:33:24.779 --> 00:33:30.059 it's not Amy who is engaged to Rory, but throwing herself at the 719 00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:30.420 doctor. 720 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.380 It's a young woman who is confident in her own attraction and 721 00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:37.319 sexuality, like when she thinks the doctor is coming onto her. 722 00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:40.680 Her message is basically, don't assume, but also don't not 723 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.339 assume. 724 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:42.059 Yeah, yeah. 725 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:43.319 It's kind of just down boy. 726 00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:49.980 Yeah, and so there is a real sort of quirk between them. 727 00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.380 And then when she's sort of flirting with him, but also being rude 728 00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:57.420 to him in the cafe, and he's just like, I do not have, what is, I 729 00:33:57.420 --> 00:34:00.359 uh, uh, uh, with... 730 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:00.779 Coffee. 731 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:01.140 Okay. 732 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.519 And again, that's very Avengers as well, in that Steed would flirt 733 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.219 with Mrs. Peel, and she kind of rebuff him, and occasionally she'd 734 00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:09.840 flirt with him, and he'd just look up like, what? 735 00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:10.320 I'm sorry? 736 00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:13.619 Can we, uh, okay, no, you're hitting someone now. 737 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:14.340 All right, fine. 738 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.940 It's really the whole dynamic is the reverse of the tenant doctor 739 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:20.940 is it, where he was sexually confident and the companions would be 740 00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:21.780 a bit taken aback. 741 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.659 Whereas now it's always the companions who are sexually confident 742 00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:26.099 the doctor's like, um... 743 00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:31.139 I did have one more thing to mention. 744 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.179 Now, of course, as we mentioned earlier, the BBC were aware that 745 00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:39.420 the web of fear was coming back, but by this point, the problems 746 00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:42.420 had happened, which I'll get into. 747 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.199 But if you look at Miss Kislett's badge, it's 2 circles. 748 00:34:46.260 --> 00:34:46.800 Her what? 749 00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:47.940 Her back. 750 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:49.920 Oh, dear. 751 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.920 If you look at Miss Gislet's brooch. 752 00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:54.119 Peter. 753 00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:58.320 You've got a ring inside another ring. 754 00:34:58.380 --> 00:34:59.460 So oh, oh. 755 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:00.840 Oh. 756 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.860 And Doctor Who story codes back in the classic series started A 757 00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:08.159 through to Z, and then A, through to ZZ, and so on and so forth. 758 00:35:08.219 --> 00:35:09.900 And then there's 3 bars. 759 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.659 And what episode of the web of fear is missing? 760 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.519 Episode three? 761 00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:19.320 And this would be such a great reference, if OO was not, in fact 762 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:20.099 the ice warrior. 763 00:35:20.099 --> 00:35:22.619 And I'm totally misleading. 764 00:35:23.099 --> 00:35:25.500 So what is the web affair? 765 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.380 Oh, um, look, no, sorry. 766 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:29.519 I thought you knew these. 767 00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:30.239 NN. 768 00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:31.079 Back in the day. 769 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.300 It's it's NN. 770 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:34.800 No. hold on. 771 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:36.599 Oh, oh, PP, Cuckoo. 772 00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:37.260 Oh okay. 773 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.119 What's NM, enemy of the world? 774 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.360 NNN, is there? 775 00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:42.900 Hold on. 776 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:44.880 No, PP is the enemy. 777 00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:46.860 Please enjoy this, listeners. 778 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.840 Cutting all of this. 779 00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:50.639 Two Patros, this. 780 00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:55.320 Don't you know this? 781 00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:59.400 There's someone out there screaming at us because one of them is 782 00:35:59.400 --> 00:35:59.639 wrong. 783 00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:04.739 Screaming in joy and ecstasy that we are in fact discussing this. 784 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.300 Is that Simon? 785 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.800 And we haven't even talked about the cute title. 786 00:36:22.860 --> 00:36:28.860 Yeah, so all that weird thing in Cumbria in 1207 as well. 787 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.780 Just another little set piece that he's thrown. 788 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:32.340 Just so you can make that church. 789 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:33.780 Yeah, yeah. 790 00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:35.519 It's... 791 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.300 So it's another kind of Moffat thing that Russell would never do 792 00:36:39.300 --> 00:36:44.519 which is that, you know, we build a whole place and characters and 793 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.440 stuff and then kind of throw them away. 794 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.739 And yeah, I don't know. 795 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.900 I mean, I sort of like it. 796 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.940 And you do get that moment of, is it a demon? 797 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:54.539 It's a woman. 798 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:55.920 Genuflect. 799 00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:56.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 800 00:36:57.179 --> 00:37:00.900 But something I noticed this time around, which, of course, I 801 00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:04.260 couldn't have noticed because last time I hadn't seen, Heaven sent 802 00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:08.579 is that the doctor is sitting in the dark in a castle ruminating 803 00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:10.739 with a portrait of Clara he's painted. 804 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:12.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 805 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.519 Because she's died. 806 00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:22.079 I also think too, maybe there are elements of the 1st episode of 807 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:26.760 series 9 as well, where he hides himself in the past, doesn't he 808 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:28.079 to kind of... 809 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.300 I think Matt Smith could have pulled off playing an electric 810 00:37:30.300 --> 00:37:31.920 guitar on a, what was it, a tank? 811 00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:33.119 Yeah, yeah. 812 00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:35.340 To be fair, I think Peter does forward. 813 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.500 See, yeah, Matt Matt would have played it discordantly and 814 00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:42.119 suddenly go, oh, yeah, I can't play guitar. 815 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:42.659 What am I doing? 816 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.820 It's like that line. 817 00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:48.239 The line where he says he came last in the Gravity Olympics. 818 00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:49.500 You know, I came last. 819 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:54.119 I think it's just a chance for sort of more wacky sitcom dialogue 820 00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.860 and I guess that's as good a reason as any to have it. absolutely. 821 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.699 And also I just adore the fact that the episode is named after a 822 00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:04.380 silly throwaway gag. 823 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.719 We won't get that again until timeless children. 824 00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:20.340 This is part of Series 7, and Series 7's kind of remit is to be a 825 00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:24.179 feature film every week, and I think that we would probably agree 826 00:38:24.179 --> 00:38:27.900 that this doesn't quite hit that mark. 827 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:32.280 But what the idea seems to be is standalone episodes that are 828 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:33.360 fairly straightforward. 829 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:38.579 I think this does hit the mark in the way of it feels like a 830 00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:39.659 British invasion film. 831 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:40.320 Yeah. 832 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:43.920 You know, by which I mean the British sort of heist films. of the 833 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.099 70s because you have all those London settings. 834 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.400 And also, this is an episode clearly in love with Doctor Who's 835 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:51.659 past and with film. 836 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.980 And sci-fi films, like we get a Star Trek 4 reference of I can't 837 00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:56.639 tell the future. 838 00:38:56.699 --> 00:38:57.300 I just work there. 839 00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:58.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 840 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.239 Captain Kirk isn't from outer space. just works there. 841 00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:04.619 We've got the doctor and Clara on the motorcycle having a chat 842 00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:08.699 that is clearly a crib to the telly movie. 843 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:09.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 844 00:39:09.900 --> 00:39:13.079 We've got some balls in the background, which is, you know, a 845 00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:14.400 throwback to the invasion. 846 00:39:14.460 --> 00:39:15.719 And that's the weird thing. 847 00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:17.519 I find this episode derivative. 848 00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:21.840 But in a popcorn movie kind of thing. affectionate. 849 00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:24.300 Yeah, it's not being derivative because it can't come up with his 850 00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:24.780 own ideas. 851 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.820 It's being derivative because it's like these ideas are really 852 00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:28.679 good and we're going to arrange them in a new way for you. 853 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.760 Being referential and reverential. 854 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.260 Yes. 855 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.619 All you really needed was Miss Kislet played by Michael Kane in a 856 00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:37.860 wig. 857 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:43.199 It's funny that it's an episode that works absolutely on the level 858 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:47.280 of being a fun thing to watch and not really being designed for 859 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:51.059 like a bunch of dorks to sit around a coffee table podcasting 860 00:39:51.059 --> 00:39:51.420 about. 861 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.760 So why are you doing this? 862 00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:57.000 And yet somehow. somehow we manage. 863 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.360 I mean, it is fun and it is colourful. 864 00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:01.380 You can't hold anything against it. 865 00:40:29.699 --> 00:40:33.480 Well, Nelissa, that's all we have time for this week. 866 00:40:33.539 --> 00:40:37.380 We'll be back next week for the green screen extravaganza that is 867 00:40:37.380 --> 00:40:38.760 the Rings of Ackerton. 868 00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:42.539 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 869 00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:45.239 and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook 870 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.420 at FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website 871 00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:51.239 FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other 872 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:55.440 podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody Interterterra, maximum power, and 873 00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:57.360 Untitled Star Trek project. 874 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.739 Until next time, remember that if you're over 50 and posting 875 00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:05.760 political commentary on Twitter from your iPad, our base stations 876 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.739 will be around to harvest you directly. 877 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.380 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 878 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.179 I'm the little spoon. 879 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:12.599 Good night. 880 00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:13.800 Ta-ta. 881 00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:14.340 Good night. 882 00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:21.659 That was Flight for Entirety, sorry, Nathan Bottomley, Peter 883 00:41:21.659 --> 00:41:23.760 Griffiths, Brendan Jones, and James Selwood. 884 00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:25.920 Theme arrangement by Canon Lamb. 885 00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:29.340 This episode of Proud Bear, holding a bag of chips, getting to be 886 00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:33.659 Celia Imry, was recorded on the 29th of May 2022 and released on 887 00:41:33.659 --> 00:41:34.619 the 4th of September. 888 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.300 Of course, Stephen Moffat's hostility to the internet isn't just 889 00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:41.340 the result of middle class technophobia. 890 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:45.780 His upcoming autobiography details a horrifyingly awkward incident 891 00:41:45.780 --> 00:41:49.920 where he was contacted by an unsolicited Fendoline, who asked if 892 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.619 he could add him to his professional network on LinkedIn. 893 00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:56.639 And cut it to there. 894 00:41:56.699 --> 00:41:57.659 What do you reckon? 895 00:41:57.780 --> 00:42:02.099 Yeah, I think we're going to struggle to speak for this long. 896 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.780 Like that's probably a bit over 40 minutes. 897 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.079 I do have one more thing I could bring. 898 00:42:10.139 --> 00:42:10.920 Yeah, go on, say something. 899 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.739 So the woman in the shop. 900 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:15.239 Ah, yeah. 901 00:42:15.300 --> 00:42:18.239 So this is when we introduced the idea of the woman in the shop. 902 00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:21.239 And look, if you're watching the new series along with us and you 903 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.639 haven't seen forward from here, I'm not going to mention how that 904 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:24.599 plot resolves itself. 905 00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:26.159 Missy. 906 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:29.159 Spoilers. 907 00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:31.739 Linda Barron. 908 00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:35.340 You've got to wonder 9 years later. 909 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.920 Maybe they should have watched this. 910 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 911 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.300 Darth Vader is anarcha Skywalker, folks. 912 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.380 That smelly old man who just turned up in Ithaca is Odysseus. 913 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:54.840 But originally, she actually played a larger role in the plot, the 914 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.360 woman in the shop, in that the doctor was going to get 2 phone 915 00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:58.559 calls during the episode. 916 00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:04.260 And one of them was just basically, well, how's it going? 917 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:05.760 Have you met Clara? 918 00:43:05.820 --> 00:43:06.840 Right, right. 919 00:43:06.900 --> 00:43:07.320 Quick. 920 00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:09.480 Oh, actually, that would have paid off quite nicely. 921 00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:10.019 Yeah. 922 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:16.079 And then when he comes back at the end of the episode, just before 923 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.760 that, he was going to get a call saying, after everything you've 924 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.719 been through, are you sure you can trust her enough to find out 925 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:25.739 who she is? 926 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.360 And so this voice on the phone was going to be goading him. 927 00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:34.380 Now, now it was dropped in the early stage of the script. 928 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:36.539 It was originally conceived as something that could happen 929 00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:37.320 throughout the season. 930 00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:38.400 Right, okay. 931 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.159 And that makes more sense of calling the episode the Bells. 932 00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:42.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. because it's introducing the phone. 933 00:43:43.019 --> 00:43:44.039 Yeah. 934 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:48.719 Um, And I think I think it was dropped. 935 00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:54.599 So as not to put the cart before the horse, you know, we, I think 936 00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.139 at this stage, we want to believe that maybe this is or 937 00:43:58.139 --> 00:43:58.860 coincidence. 938 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.639 Maybe there's, you know, there, maybe there's nothing sinister 939 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:03.360 about Clara. 940 00:44:03.420 --> 00:44:05.039 Yeah, you know, kind of thing. 941 00:44:05.099 --> 00:44:07.980 And that would have told us, no, there is. 942 00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:12.059 Because the other big coincidence, I mean, the thing that 943 00:44:12.059 --> 00:44:18.059 convinces Matt that it is Clara isn't just that she calls him on 944 00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:22.739 the phone, but that the Wi-Fi password spells out, run you, Clever 945 00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:23.519 Boy, and remember. 946 00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:25.380 And I think the... 947 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:25.800 Yeah. 948 00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:28.019 Yeah, one, two, three. don't do that at home. 949 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.059 Just in case you didn't care. 950 00:44:30.539 --> 00:44:36.599 Like, I think that's a thing that will just never be explained and 951 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:37.079 that's fine. 952 00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:39.179 But we have this tension. 953 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.360 We'll talk more about it next week, I think, between Clara just 954 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:47.039 being a companion and Clara being a mystery or a puzzle box. 955 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:53.159 And I think that if this half season has a theme, it's probably 956 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:53.699 that. 957 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:54.719 Yeah. 958 00:44:54.780 --> 00:44:56.579 Yeah it's the impossible gut. 959 00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:57.179 Yeah, yeah. 960 00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:02.039 And, you know, that does lead us to that lovely scene of Clara 961 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:03.960 explaining why she's still living in the house. 962 00:45:04.019 --> 00:45:07.199 And the doctor has a really interesting line where he says, I wish 963 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:08.039 I was more like that. 964 00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:14.039 And it's kind of like, okay, but just before you lost Amy and Rory 965 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:15.119 you were exactly like that. 966 00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:18.900 You stayed for a year to see if the cubes were safe. 967 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:21.059 You know, you actually didn't run off. 968 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:26.639 Um, and I think I think it's sort of, it's a moment of dramatic 969 00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:27.000 irony. 970 00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:28.019 It's not the doctor being modest. 971 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.780 The doctor genuinely believes he couldn't do that and wouldn't do 972 00:45:30.780 --> 00:45:37.800 that, even though he has, you know, and it's fascinating to me 973 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:39.780 because, you know, he's the man who never says still. 974 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.679 She's a woman who willingly got stuck. 975 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:47.639 And that's something that's going to come back towards the end of 976 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:48.000 this season. 977 00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:50.940 What do you think then? 978 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.639 I've got 56 5 minutes. 979 00:45:53.699 --> 00:45:55.380 Is there anything anyone else wanted to add? 980 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.980 No, I made my joke of the beginning. 981 00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.840 Unspent. 982 00:46:02.460 --> 00:46:04.380 That's all I'm doing. 983 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.960 I should have just been silent for the rest of it. 984 00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:08.280 Yes, usually. 985 00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:10.019 When is Tom will be after editing? 986 00:46:10.980 --> 00:46:13.679 Well, I self-edited it. 987 00:46:13.739 --> 00:46:15.059 Nathan said everything I was going to. 988 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:16.739 So you didn't have to. 989 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.340 The Maitland's house is smoky as fuck. just full of smoke. 990 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:24.719 Is it? 991 00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:28.440 Yeah, you know, to give a kind of soft lighting effect, but it's 992 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.940 just really like smoky. 993 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:31.559 Oh, yeah, that sort of dust stream. 994 00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:32.099 Yeah. 995 00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:37.800 And I also like, you know, when Clara hacks into the network, it's 996 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.960 kind of like a reverse of the EastEnders title theme because 997 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:42.360 you're panning up and you get drum beats as... 998 00:46:44.219 --> 00:46:48.119 I love all of the kind of, it's like sort of JavaScript, a little 999 00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.239 bit of HDML, a little bit of just complete, you know. 1000 00:46:51.300 --> 00:46:52.860 Yeah, Pearl. 1001 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:55.320 Like it's all just nonsense. 1002 00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:58.920 Sorry, that's a very sophisticated joke about Pearl. 1003 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:01.260 Mackie. 1004 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.880 This isn't for the episode, obviously, but as you know, I'm 1005 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:07.980 currently obsessed with a game called the Stanley Parable. 1006 00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:14.099 And there's a great YouTube series called boundary break where 1007 00:47:14.099 --> 00:47:17.579 they take they hack a game, take and take the camera to view 1008 00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:19.019 details you can't usually view. 1009 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.719 And there's a bit in the Stanley Parable where there's this room 1010 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.420 full of screens, and one of them is flashing an error message, but 1011 00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:26.579 you're like 50 metres where you can't read it, and he zooms into 1012 00:47:26.579 --> 00:47:30.659 it, and it's like error, error, error, can't find file, error 1013 00:47:30.659 --> 00:47:31.500 error, error. 1014 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.300 Is anyone even reading this? 1015 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.659 Do you have any idea what it's like to have to make up a screen of 1016 00:47:36.659 --> 00:47:39.719 this era text knowing that no one will ever read it? 1017 00:47:39.780 --> 00:47:42.900 And he's like, well, this game came out 10 years ago and I hope 1018 00:47:42.900 --> 00:47:43.559 you're out there. 1019 00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:45.420 All right. 1020 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:46.860 I'm going to press stop. 1021 00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:47.820 What do you think? 1022 00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:49.139 Yeah, because you've already done the app. 1023 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:50.880 Nathan, they always know when you press stop.