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Hello, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only

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Doctor Who podcast who would actually rather have a dance than go

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for a pint.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm exactly who you'd expect me to be.

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Well, that's some good news, because you know what, chaps, I think

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we've been on Earth for far too long.

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So I think it's time to head off into space, maybe even find a

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nice little planet to settle down and build a colony in space.

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Now That's awful.

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I thought that was bad.

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Here's my other joke for colony in space.

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And that's so that I, well, I really enjoy John Ringham's

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performance in this, I actually wish that the William Hartnell era

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act that they'd gotten back was Leonard Sachs, so I could say this

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was the Admiral de Coligny in space.

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Oh, dear.

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There we are, massacre joke for you, man.

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Can you cut all that?

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I'm a big fan.

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I'm a I'm an enormous fan of in space episodes.

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Do you know what I mean?

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I think frontier in space?

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It does promise a level of excitement, like the wheel in space.

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Wheeling space, frontier in space.

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And I always think it's a great disappointment.

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We used to sort of say, wouldn't it be great if there'd been a

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Doctor Who story called The Planets in Space.

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This is almost that.

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This would be fun.

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Yeah, yeah, it is.

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And look, I am just gonna broach my problem with this story

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because, as was hinted at last episode...

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And the episode before, you've been going on about it.

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It's getting tiresome.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's almost as if, you know, a story from 1966 that someone

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happened not to like very much and never stops talking about.

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Well, only someone crazy with it.

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Yeah, I know, I know.

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But also yesterday at your housewarming party, Nathan, we were

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talking to friends of the podcast, Brian and Simon.

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And when they spoke to me, they said, now you said you didn't like

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colony in space.

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And we take issue with that because we really like it.

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And I said, well, there's one major problem with it.

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I'm going to get that out of the way now because there's still a

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lot.

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There's still a lot I like about this story.

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But this is our 1st Doctor Who story, since the show has been to

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colour, that the TARDIS has travelled off earth to another

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planet.

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We had a brief bit of travel at the end of Cause of Axos, but

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nothing major.

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So, you know, this is the 1st time we're returning to the formula

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of the 60s, if doctor goes to an alien planet and gets embroiled

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in the local problems there.

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After that year and a half .

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Our 1st ball colour planet is this beige sand quarry filled with

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people in tie, almost tie-dye green jumpsuits, 70s, pick a

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moustache, and stick it on disguises, what have you.

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It's so disappointing.

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We've already discussed.

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This is like the year of the 2nd reboot of Doctor Who.

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Last year was a dress rehearsal for this reboot.

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And there's so much they've got rights this year or more right, I

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suppose. in that, you know, Katie Manning's Joe Grant is a more

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effective companion.

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I've said it before and I said it again, I love Liz, but Joe fits

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this mould on the show.

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Exactly.

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We've expanded the military roster.

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So the brigadier has sort of a trusted central team and then lots

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of people around him.

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We have a charismatic villain who, of course, you don't want to

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win, but really you rather like him.

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And it's just a shame that when Doctor Who finally steps out into

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space again.

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They don't use the same amount of aplomb, if you like.

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There isn't the joy de vivre that we've had with the last few

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stories of reinvention.

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But you know, the thing is this.

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We've been on Earth for so long in this production team, I feel, is

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used to, if they haven't really done anything away from Earth

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before.

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So they're finding their feet.

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So I think, you know, that is the one aspect of this production

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that might be lacking and that they might make up for in the

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future.

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Because it is, I mean, it's a throwback to the my old show, the

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one that they cancelled at the early 1969.

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There's even a little shout out to the dialects, I think, because

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Joe picks up a flower soon after arriving on our 1st alien

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planet.

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Yeah, which is exactly what Susan did.

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So yeah, there is that sort of respect to the past.

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But do you want to know what the radio times write-up that this

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episode was, this 1st episode of Comedy in space?

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Oh, God.

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So the 1st time Doctor Who's going back out into space in almost 2

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years.

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And the way the production team at the radio times choose to

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announce that is...

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The doctor faces unknown danger on an alien planet.

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Well, Statney of Idols isn't that exciting.

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Well, he hasn't done it for a long time.

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He really hasn't faced on no danger in an alien planet for ages.

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You know, something like this happened to Russell T. Davis and he

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wrote a very funny column about it in Doctor Who magazine.

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He was flicking through his electronic program guide and he came

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across Doctor Who.

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There was no story title, and it was, the write-up was Doctor Who

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Defends the Humans from Alien Attack..

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It's just so generic and it's such a shame.

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But that's not to say I hate this story.

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It's just that's a big bugware, and it is a hard thing to get over

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because we're going to spend a lot of time on this planet.

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Look, I actually think that that's a pretty reasonable criticism.

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This is my favourite story of the season.

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But the setting is drab and it is that is disappointing and it's

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particularly just that that gray quarry where it's been raining

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and there's all that gray mart and stuff that is boring to look

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at.

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They do go out of their way to be a bit more sort of visual and

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interesting inside the city.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, that's one thing that's going for it.

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The internal sets, the um, the city, the colonists areas, the IMC

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spaceship, even the master's TARDIS are all very visually

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interesting.

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The 3rd doctor's new TARDIS.

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Unfortunately, you still have that those 60s photographic blow

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ups.

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Yeah, that's terrible.

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They get worse and worse in colour.

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There's some lovely new pieces.

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We have my favourite version of the classic series console.

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The refurbished old version.

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It's still a bit pale green because a lot of people were watching

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in colour, but you've got that lovely central column.

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Well, you can't quite see what's going on because there's so many

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layers of perspective.

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I really like that.

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It was always green, wasn't it?

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So that it looked wise.

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Exactly.

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Exactly, exactly.

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But this, gentleman, is a 1st for another reason.

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It's something involved in this artist, and I don't mean the

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popping effect, which just happened because the director, Michael

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E. Bryant, wasn't sure how the TARDIS fade in and out worked, so

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he just popped it.

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This is the 1st use of the phrase, coined by Mac Hook

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dimensionally transcendental.

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Oh, really?

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Wasn't it always, though?

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This is the 1st story that implies that the TARDIS interior is

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different dimension to the exterior.

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Because, of course, we saw in Patrick Tran's last story, for

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instance, they land under the sea and water starts dripping onto

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the console.

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Right, yeah. you know, whereas this, it's dimensionally transended

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we have transcended dimensions and that's it, speaker.

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And that becomes a big part of the story.

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The interior is not a different dimension.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's amazing.

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I didn't realise it was as late as that.

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It's part of his legacy of Doctor Who, that Terrence Dix and

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Baronets in their master plan have come up with this season.

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Or it's just a happy accident. accident, I think.

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It is actually a lot I like about the story.

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For me, it is a solid 6 out of 10.

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Because we have Matt Hawkes' great writing and great

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characterisation.

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It is really, really terrific.

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And Mac Hulk, we've talked about him before.

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He was a member of the Communicipality, and so this is a story

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that is suspicious of corporate behaviour.

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And so this is set in 500 years time, no, a 1000 years time. 500

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years time. set in the 25th century.

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Okay, so it's set in 500 years time.

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And the Earth is a sort of terrible dystopia where the whole place

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is sort of massively overcrowded.

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I think there's 100000000000 people on earth.

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Yeah, he says 100,000 million, doesn't he?

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That's a great number, isn't it?

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100,000 gigs.

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It sounds are much bigger than one billion.

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It's a 100 billion.

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So there's a 100 people, a 100000000000 people living on Earth.

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There's nowhere for them to live, like they're building floating

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cities in the middle of the ocean.

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The whole place is sort of polluted and terrible and it's an

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oppressive totalitarian sort of political government where you

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can't dissent and all of that sort of thing.

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So these people are refugees from that, uh, and they all wear sort

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of vaguely hippie-ish.

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little house on the prairie or something, you know, Mary

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particular.

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But it's a sort of vague hippie sort of thing and they've all got

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sort of longer share and moustaches and stuff.

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spacesuits from last season.

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Not really.

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It's like everyone else has kind of gone, oh, we're on a planet

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you know, we'll get into our day quotes now. he's like, I'm not

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getting out of my space.

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We could have to leave at any time.

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It's rather amusing to see them wander around the background, like

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stay puff the marshmallow, man.

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But it's quite nice to see in the background there are other

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female columnists.

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There's not more men.

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And I actually like the leisurely pace of this story.

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I think the 1st episode sets things up really well.

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Again, they talk about the mask, they talk about the time on its

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exile.

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This has been reinforced to the audience.

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Joe's 1st time in the time.

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She's so tentative about going outside and the doctor is coaxing

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her out there and allaying her fears.

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I think that there's some really nice stuff in this 1st half of

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the episode.

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And I actually think there's a change in the 3rd doctor in this

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story.

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He's not as obnoxious.

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Thank you. for the word, Nathan.

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He's not he's not as nararchy.

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And certainly when it comes to the commerce at first, there is

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this bristling effect.

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I was thinking, oh, no, not again.

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But then he decides to work with Ash and he's really helpful.

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And he's really helpful. this is the 1st time we're really seeing

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this come through.

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Look, he does he does get to do some blustering outrage, but he

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does it against IMC.

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And even before he's landed, IMC have been sort of menacing.

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That's all right.

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There's the clink of glasses all the way through this podcast.

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It's one of our things.

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Sorry, it's okay.

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Oh, I've done it again.

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IMC have been being evil and they will kill someone, 2 people

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during the course of episode one.

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And so by the time the doctor meets them, we know that they're

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evil and so he does yell at them and accuse them of just being

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motivated by profit and all of that sort of thing.

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And so here having a proper target, not just someone who's come in

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and tried to help someone who is just evil and self-serving.

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The blustering outrage really works.

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I think.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's so much that's great in the setup of this story

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the way the way it's all, the way the world is created, the way

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this universe of the future of humanity is created.

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I think sort of in terms of definable years, this is the furthest

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we've been into the future.

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Of course, the arc is very, very far into the future.

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But typically when we've been given a date in the black and white

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Doctor Who eras.

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We've sort of looked at 22nd and 23rd century.

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But now we're really, really far into the future and there's been

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that huge population explosion.

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So coming back to something you were saying, Todd, about the way

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that Joe and the doctor's relationship is presented and how she's

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not quite sure she wants to go out.

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I think it's such a great development to the doctor's character

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that he's not just coaxing her.

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He's saying, please come with me, you know, I trust you with

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this.

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And she's the audience identification figure because, like, you

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know, we hadn't been.

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There might be members of the audience who haven't been outside

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the times, you know, outside of Earth, you know, if they've come.

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Almost all of them have never been outside of Earth.

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Oh, dear.

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It's one of those afternoons. encountered an adventure.

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You know, the show has been on life support in terms of ratings

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for a while.

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You know, it's certainly been making inroads over the last year

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and a half .

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Has it?

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Yes, it's actually holding its own between about 7 and 8000000 in

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fact, the story averaged about 9000000 viewers.

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This one was incredibly popular.

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Episode 3, it's 9.500000 viewers, right?

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Which is last season there was a 9.3.

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And the previous high over 9000000 was What, gentlemen?

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Was it the Web Planet?

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Is it something like 13?

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No, no, no, in terms of over 9000000 viewers.

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The last time we got over 9000000 viewers was...

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Space Pirates, episode four.

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Episode three, of the Celestial Troy Maker.

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Goodness.

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Pat got to 9000000 for Croton's episode one, but that's the

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highest he got to.

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This story does something else.

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And actually in terms of chant position, there's got 2 to the top

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25 in episode 5 for the 1st time since the Daleks master plan.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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But I think what was happening, like, you know, in terms of what's

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happening this season and momentum that they're gaining and what

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they're doing, it goes through this story into the next as well.

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And you know, I mean, just as a bit of an aside, the demons, the

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last episode of the demons come 17th for the week, the 1st time

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Doctor Who has been in the top 20 since Galaxy 4.

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I love the Galaxy 4, always in the top 20.

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Episode 2 or 3 or something like that.

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But at the end of last season, the last 10 episodes fell away, the

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last 10 episodes or 15 episodes of Trout also fell away down to

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like, you know, under 5 million.

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Here it doesn't.

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Here it holds around 8000000 for the 1st time and the show is

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moving up the chart.

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So this is crucial, this story, I guess, for the future of the

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show.

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Yeah, I mean, I suppose this is the 1st season since season 5

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where Doctor Who's future is assured, because we've discussed that

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Doctor Who was almost cancelled after season 6, but Derek Sherwin

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said, look, we can, we can change the format, we can make a more

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exciting, lots of lovely colour, a fewer episodes, that sort of

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thing.

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We ring the budget in.

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It was almost cancelled at the end of season 7 and the only reason

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it wasn't was they couldn't develop a good enough idea to replace

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it.

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So it kind of got renewed by default.

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But I think this is the 1st time where Doctor Who is secure for

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another season.

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It's actually secure for much longer than that because it secures

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itself here.

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They come back with the Daleks the following season.

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That gives it boost, then it's the 10th anniversary, then it's, you

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know, Katie's leading and it's the new companion.

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So you dropped her, you suddenly got this flow and effect that

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just keeps on flowing for the next 4 or 5 years.

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So everything that happens at the beginning of this season and

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want their big building to in these stories.

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I think secures the future of Doctor Who.

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It's not just this 8 season one day. suddenly going to run after

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this season for about 12 or 13 years.

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It's so it is so good because I love this season in context

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whereas I always used to like season 7 better.

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And so it's nice to think that this reboot did the job.

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It was a success.

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It's working And the BBC was starting to get quite canny with

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their programming because each episode of Colony in Space, I think

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with one exception was followed by an old Western movie.

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Very often picking up on the same kind of land claim ideas or um

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the ideas of there's great wealth in this area.

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We just need to find it and having someone coming in and trying to

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take the wealth from the people who, quote unquote, rightfully

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owned it.

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There's also one other thing.

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This story is broadcast an hour later at 6.15.

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Yes, they did push it back because of the violence in earlier

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stories, which, you know, worked, obviously, in favour of Doctor

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Who.

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Now, of course, one thing the story is really heavily about is

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mining as well, which is still quite relevant, especially for us

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in Australia, because we've recently had a mining boom, which, a

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lot of balance, say, is coming to an end just this week.

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A house is sold in Port Headland, which is, of course, a big

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mining community, but it was also a place where they had to get a

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lot of fly in, fly out workers because it was too expensive to

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live there.

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There was a house sold in Port Headland 4 years ago, a little 3

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bedroom fibro home sold for $130000 at the peak of the mining

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boom.

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It was resold this week.

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Any any guesses as to what it was sold for?

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300,000?

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360,000.

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It's lost $1000000 in 4 years.

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So, you know, this, this idea of, no, you can't have this land to

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live on.

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We need to get the rocks out of it.

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It's far more valuable than as living space.

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It's still very topical.

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And at this point in the 70s. of course, we later saw in the

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decade the incredibly popular, the good life, which was all about

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self-sufficiency.

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So going back to self-sufficiency, getting away from big business

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was a big theme of the 70s.

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And it's a theme that Matt Cork will come back to time and time

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again.

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Along with a theme of giant lizards.

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Along with...

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So you can I just say that. about the giant lizards in this

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story.

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I think Mac Hawk is also having a little bit of fun with the

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format of the show because the giant lizards look like a crap

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special effect because...

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They're supposed to be, actually.

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It's a wonderful twist.

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Best twist since Coquillian, who you were very rude about last

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episode.

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But I like the fact that you actually, I actually get involved

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with the columns and this fight against the minors and Captain

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Dent, who apparently Richmond was supposed to be a woman.

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Not Captain Dent.

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Morgan was supposed to be the number two.

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Yeah, who ends up being played by Tony Cornter, not particularly

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well, but he was brought in the last minute. you can kind of

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forget.

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Do you know who that woman was?

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No, tell me.

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Susan Jameson?

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who went on to play Mrs. Widzed in the Hornet's Nest, Demon's

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Crest, Serpent, Serpent, Crest, Serpent.

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No, it's your, in the Paul Mars next cottage audios.

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Right.

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Alongside Tom Baker.

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And she's absolutely wonderful in those.

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You know what?

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I have to say, I actually quite like Morgan, the evil number two.

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Just a sidekick, isn't he?

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He's murderous.

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It's murderous.

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He's actually quite sort of...

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I don't know, there's something about him.

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Oh, please cut back.

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You fancy him.

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I must, I must.

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It's really quite interesting how like, it's really quite

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interesting how all the columnists have like, you know, the beards

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and all the beards.

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And then you've got everybody on the spaceship. all clean shaven

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but they're evil, except for the one guy who's good, who actually

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has the moustache.

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Yeah, it's a great thing of shorthand.

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Little behind the scenes story because they were wearing all this

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false hair.

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For the for the 1st for the 1st producer's rump, they collaborated

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with the makeup designer who sort of put extra moustaches on

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people's chins and whatnot, et cetera, et cetera.

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And then the moustaches on their chins, that would be very odd.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But that's the thing.

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They were having a bit of a joke.

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And Barry Letts came down and gave them all the bollocking for

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wasting studio resources.

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And then Maurice Perry walked in his page boy week, and Barry

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turned around and bollocked him.

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And Maurice said, but this is...

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This is the week I'm meant to be wearing.

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And the backup to the one was like, yeah, that's his actual, that's

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his character's hair and Barry's like, oh, God, I'm so sorry.

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But you know what?

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It is ridiculous.

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I just got I just caught up.

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I got caught up in the whole story of them and then what's going

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on in the planet with these aliens.

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Like, I just got engrossed by it, and I forgot that the master was

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going to appear at some point.

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That's brilliant, actually, because it's, it's, it's established

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right at the beginning of episode one in that scene, with the time

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lords, that, um, that the master is going to be in it.

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He's stolen the files, and then the brigadier comes in, he's

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talking about looking for the master, it was the Spanish

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ambassador.

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Yes, yeah, that's a quotation where it's like, yeah, he all these

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Spanish people look alike to me.

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Yeah, a little bit ruby, Mac.

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Or Terence, but that's probably Terence.

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So, um, we will, there is actually some weird racial politics in

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this which we'll get to.

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But we know that the master's coming along.

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But by the time he turns up and he turns up, I think, in episode

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four, we've actually forgotten about him.

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And it is really funny, isn't it?

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Santa for theorises that we expect the master to be to be behind

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the giant lizards.

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And then we discover it's IMC.

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And so we then kind of forget about the master.

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And so even though we've been explicitly told he's going to be in

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it, it's a surprise when he turns out.

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And even when the adjudicator actually replies because it's so

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distorted, you know, unless you're really listening for it the 1st

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time through.

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You know, it doesn't click.

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And then there's this wonderful shop where he walks in, but I

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think the back is to the camera, so you don't actually see it.

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And then, you know, if he turns around and you just think.

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And you get his music.

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Do you get his music here?

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But he's just there and just kind of think, oh, great.

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I just go, yes, you know, this is getting more and more, you know

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there's layers on this.

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This is great, you know?

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I do think this leads us, though, to another slight problem in the

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plot, but it's hard to criticise because not every story can be

501
00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:00.779
the same.

502
00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:05.759
So we have this story about the colonists and the fact that the

503
00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:10.559
planet has been classified for both mining and for colonisation.

504
00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:14.759
The colonists, of course, are not having much work planting their

505
00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:15.240
crops.

506
00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:18.000
And we think, for instance, oh, well, that must be the IMC

507
00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:18.299
people.

508
00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:21.240
You know, they're doing something, but it turns out to be the

509
00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.880
radiation from this super weapon, which is what the masters come

510
00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:24.240
to find.

511
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:28.019
But that's the only crossover that we have between the 2 plots.

512
00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:29.220
You know what I mean?

513
00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:33.299
For instance, the colonists could have used the weapon to defend

514
00:22:33.299 --> 00:22:34.980
themselves, but no, it's destroyed at the end.

515
00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:38.039
It just feels like the 2 stories are a bit too disparate.

516
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:42.660
But that being said, it does mean there's a lot of variety within

517
00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:46.259
the plot. a small, there's a small plot, if you like, because the

518
00:22:46.259 --> 00:22:48.539
stake of who gets the planet is quite small.

519
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:50.940
We care about these characters because they're Mount Cole

520
00:22:50.940 --> 00:22:52.140
characters, you know?

521
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:58.079
But you then got this bigger plot of the master has something, has

522
00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:01.440
found a weapon which can destroy hot stars. interestingly enough.

523
00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:04.740
He says it was tested on the crabhead nebula.

524
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.200
I did a little bit of research and that would mean that it was

525
00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:10.500
tested in Earth's history in the 11th century.

526
00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:13.980
Yeah, they've seen the supernova that caused.

527
00:23:13.980 --> 00:23:15.299
It's the crab nebula, right?

528
00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:16.380
The crab nebula.

529
00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:19.259
Oh, sorry, I was I was conflating...

530
00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:22.680
But yeah, no, that happened like in in the last millennium.

531
00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:22.980
Yeah.

532
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.519
Look, I was just so surprised by this as I was watching it.

533
00:23:26.579 --> 00:23:29.700
Like, I mean, I came into this thinking that this would be my

534
00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:30.900
least favourite story of the season.

535
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.420
In fact, it's my favourite of this season.

536
00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.119
I just enjoyed the whole thing all the way through.

537
00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:40.259
Yeah, there's some gunfights in that confined space between IMC

538
00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:42.900
and the colonists, which at times you're thinking, this is

539
00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:43.380
ridiculous.

540
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.440
People should be dropping dead every 5 seconds, you know?

541
00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:48.900
They've obviously been trained by the same school as

542
00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:49.740
Stormtroopers.

543
00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:53.220
But, you know, besides that, you know, it's a bit slower paced

544
00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:57.000
because it's a 6 parter, so you see the doctor travelling on the

545
00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.279
buggy here and there and that sort of thing.

546
00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:00.599
Those buggies are amazing.

547
00:24:00.660 --> 00:24:01.740
I really like them.

548
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:02.759
I do like want one.

549
00:24:02.819 --> 00:24:04.380
Yeah, they're great.

550
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:06.720
And you know, then you've got the whole Joe's going to be tied to

551
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:07.500
the bomb business.

552
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.259
You know, I love tying Joe to a bomb.

553
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:11.579
I think that is an awesome thing.

554
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:13.079
If you can possibly do that in a story.

555
00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:18.180
And I actually think that does slightly undermine the political

556
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:20.880
sort of allegory, not quite an allegory, but political commentary

557
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:25.200
he's doing in that, the corporate villains are so, so terribly

558
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:27.599
evil that they tie Joe to a bomb.

559
00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:29.460
You know, like that's how evil they are.

560
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:32.880
Like, Katie's so wonderful just throughout, throughout the whole

561
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:33.720
thing, like this.

562
00:24:33.779 --> 00:24:36.779
She has her own little subplot going on with the colonists and

563
00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:38.640
then she's got, you know, she's got the whole thing.

564
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:41.460
And then the only reason she gets captured is because she's been

565
00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:44.160
proactive and she's like, let's get the dirt on them.

566
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:49.980
Whereas, you know, quite often, um, Liz only really got her own

567
00:24:49.980 --> 00:24:52.980
plot in, say, ambassadors of death because she was just minding

568
00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:55.920
our own business and got kidnapped, you know, or she walked into a

569
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:56.220
trap.

570
00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:59.759
Whereas Joe does get to be a lot more proactive in that regard.

571
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.599
I mean, I do love the sequence where her and the doctor wriggle

572
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:05.339
into the master's TARDIS.

573
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:07.259
Like crawling on their on their back.

574
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:08.099
On their backs it.

575
00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:10.920
It's another thing where I think Terrence Dix has gone, Okay, you

576
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:12.420
know, this is my little joke for the week.

577
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.700
Let's see John and Katie do this this week, you know?

578
00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:18.000
So I have a race problem again.

579
00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:19.799
Okay, explain.

580
00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:21.539
So it's with the premises, right?

581
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:25.619
I think it's for a story that is so clearly left wing, clearly

582
00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:26.640
anti-capitalist.

583
00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:29.400
I think the primitives are a blind spot.

584
00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:33.000
Their call primitives, you know, in the 1st place, which is

585
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:34.019
slightly problematic.

586
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:40.440
And we never really once seem concerned that the colonists are

587
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:42.900
occupying someone else's planet.

588
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:48.599
And so the colonists are seen as the rightful owners of this

589
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:50.759
planet, not the miners.

590
00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:53.400
It's the colonists who properly belong here.

591
00:25:53.579 --> 00:25:56.940
So it's this sort of like, you know, British imperialism?

592
00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:01.019
Yeah, and it just seems it, like, and I don't think he properly

593
00:26:01.019 --> 00:26:02.099
sort of justifies it.

594
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:04.559
I think the story, it's just a blind spot in the story.

595
00:26:04.619 --> 00:26:09.119
And there's scenes where the handyman guy, the electrical guy who

596
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:15.119
gets killed by Norton, where he's with his primitive helper.

597
00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:17.819
Yeah, and the primitive is basically his servant, like his hand

598
00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:18.599
against things.

599
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:24.420
And, you know, like I, they do try and make it as if it's kind of

600
00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:27.299
the primitive people's fault because they develop this weapon and

601
00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:29.460
their culture degenerated and stuff like that.

602
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:34.619
But I still, it's just, it's an unfortunate note in what I think

603
00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:36.599
is a pretty, is a pretty good story.

604
00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:38.640
And I don't think it's helped by how the primitives look.

605
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:40.319
And like, are they naked?

606
00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:41.519
Is that meant to be their skin?

607
00:26:41.579 --> 00:26:45.059
Because it has lots of, like, wrinkles in it.

608
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.160
They're wearing long cloths.

609
00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:49.079
So I think that's meant to be their skin and it just looks

610
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:49.680
terrible.

611
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.660
And they've got these sort of lumpy heads.

612
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.220
The masks, you know?

613
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:54.900
Oh, yeah, and they are bad.

614
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:57.779
And then you've got like their masks, then you've got the next

615
00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:01.140
step up masks, those big plan heads or whatever.

616
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:04.680
And then you've got that little creep.

617
00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:08.220
It doesn't seem to work properly and his mouth doesn't work.

618
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:10.319
And it jumps to a lot of conclusions very quickly.

619
00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:11.339
This will happen now.

620
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.480
You will need or die.

621
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:14.519
It's very... knows what it's want.

622
00:27:14.579 --> 00:27:15.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

623
00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:17.099
He's a Muppet with a mind of its own.

624
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:19.859
No, it really doesn't because so it says you will be put to death

625
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:21.000
because you came to our city.

626
00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:23.160
Well, we didn't know coming to us if you would maybe get put to

627
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:23.400
death.

628
00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:24.539
That is not an excuse.

629
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:28.319
Oh, and pretty much the doctor says, oh, well, I thought you were

630
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.900
a civilised man, but if you're not fine, you can go free.

631
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:32.220
Yeah, yeah.

632
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.920
Okay, so... does change its mind.

633
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:37.859
It does, but it changes its mind so capriciously.

634
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.460
Pretty much the doctor does the reverse of if you think you're so

635
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:41.759
strong.

636
00:27:41.819 --> 00:27:45.059
No, I don't think you could move this boulder that's trapping me.

637
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:51.000
Yeah, it's that sort of old biblical Aesop's fable kind of kind of

638
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:51.359
logic.

639
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:57.059
I like the idea of the 3 tiered alien society because so often

640
00:27:57.059 --> 00:28:01.140
when we see aliens in Doctor Who, there doesn't seem to be any

641
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:03.240
social structure to speak of.

642
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.539
What if they kind of had about the, um, sensorized?

643
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.380
Yes, I'm sorry. trying to get that out before you said it.

644
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:11.160
I looked at you.

645
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:12.240
You knew exactly what.

646
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:17.640
That is an example of how Doctor Who has denuded social structures

647
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:21.779
in alien cultures before by very simple signifiers.

648
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.299
It's sort of been a sash, a sash.

649
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:30.180
It's sort of been expanded upon with slur and his ice warriors who

650
00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:30.960
look very different.

651
00:28:31.019 --> 00:28:33.299
But this is the 1st time we get it.

652
00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:37.920
And it's not only denuding by clothing or social order.

653
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:42.359
It's also denuding by we are the same species, but we are

654
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.460
different permutations of that species.

655
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.420
It's not explored that much, but I actually think that's a good

656
00:28:48.420 --> 00:28:51.599
thing because it's just sort of presented and not demystified.

657
00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:54.660
It raises some questions and even though those questions aren't

658
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:55.200
answered.

659
00:28:55.259 --> 00:28:57.480
How did this splitting off happen?

660
00:28:57.539 --> 00:29:01.259
Yeah, it's vaguely referred to by the doctor and the master, but

661
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:02.039
just a supposition.

662
00:29:02.099 --> 00:29:04.140
They're sort of looking at the mosaic and going, well, it could

663
00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:06.059
mean this and it could mean that and da da da.

664
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.799
It's nice.

665
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.519
Both of them there together, sort of, you know, working this out

666
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.940
you're talking about things and they have a great relationship

667
00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:18.299
because despite everything else, they respect one another's

668
00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:19.019
intellect.

669
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.119
I think they're a little bit in love.

670
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:24.119
Marry me and together, we can rule the universe.

671
00:29:24.180 --> 00:29:25.079
Yeah, yeah.

672
00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:25.859
Do you know what I mean?

673
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:28.980
They do work terrifically well together.

674
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.099
And I've said so far this season that the master's much nicer and

675
00:29:32.099 --> 00:29:35.160
seems to be much better company than perch, where he's much less

676
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:35.819
obnoxious.

677
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.180
It kills people from time to time, but who doesn't have a bad day

678
00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:40.559
you know, so often.

679
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.579
But the 2 of them work terrifically well together and there is a

680
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:45.539
mutual respect.

681
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.160
I think all of that.

682
00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:52.799
I think it actually brings out some of the best in John Po twin

683
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.720
just his whole presence and that sort of thing.

684
00:29:54.779 --> 00:29:57.359
There's just something when he's in those scenes with Roger. that

685
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:57.960
I really like.

686
00:29:58.019 --> 00:30:02.339
Is there a thematic parallel between that scene and the story

687
00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:05.640
which you said was too far separate from it, the story of the

688
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.700
colonists and the, and the minors.

689
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:13.019
So the doctor wants to see the universe and the master wants to

690
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:13.440
own it.

691
00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:14.519
Do you know what I mean?

692
00:30:14.579 --> 00:30:16.380
And so, um, That's a good point.

693
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.460
Like, you know, IMC, these people, the reason that they've become

694
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.380
colonists is they want to go outside.

695
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:23.220
Do you know what I mean?

696
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:24.359
They want to grow things.

697
00:30:24.420 --> 00:30:28.920
They want to experience life in a way that's denied to them by

698
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.380
their overcrowded, polluted world.

699
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:36.359
And there's IMC that just profits from their being an overcrowded

700
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:37.259
world.

701
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.559
The whole, the whole point of mining the planet is to create more

702
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.339
houses for, you know, the increasingly and unsustainably

703
00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:45.720
overpopulated earth.

704
00:30:45.779 --> 00:30:48.839
Maybe there is a little parallel there.

705
00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:53.099
And certainly pertly helping the colonists is really lovely.

706
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:54.900
I mean it really is so good.

707
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.460
And he just sort of jumps in.

708
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.039
He's like, you know, he's really missed helping people out in

709
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.359
space.

710
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.420
It could have been called helping in space.

711
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:04.259
Helping in there.

712
00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:07.680
He uses a sonic screwdriver in this story, doesn't he?

713
00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:11.940
In episode five. something to do with them getting into the

714
00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:13.019
Master's Titus, is it?

715
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:17.099
Um, I think it's, I think it's to do with like the master's filing

716
00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:19.200
cabinets and whatnot because he's still got the key to the

717
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.200
master's TARDIS that he stole in terror of the autops. other

718
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.299
little..

719
00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:28.259
But this is the 1st appearance of the Sonic Screwdriver, as we

720
00:31:28.259 --> 00:31:31.559
mostly know it in the classic series, the little silver tube in

721
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:35.339
this case with the yellow swirl alongside and the conical head

722
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:36.539
inside the circle.

723
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:39.839
Previous to this, it's just been a pen torch, you know, under

724
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:40.380
Patrick.

725
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.960
So, yeah, we didn't have this one screwed over at all in series

726
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:43.380
7.

727
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:44.519
We had the door handle.

728
00:31:44.579 --> 00:31:46.140
It does get mentioned.

729
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.799
The Sonic screwdriver. in Solurians.

730
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:50.880
Yes, yeah.

731
00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:53.160
He says, oh, I forgot.

732
00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:56.279
Yeah, so it does get mentioned, but it doesn't appear at that

733
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:56.400
point.

734
00:31:56.460 --> 00:32:02.339
Bernard Kay, who died quite recently and he played Saladin and he

735
00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:02.759
played.

736
00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:03.960
Who else did he play?

737
00:32:04.019 --> 00:32:08.160
Oh, Inspector, slightly Scottish guy from the face faceless ones.

738
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:08.759
Yeah.

739
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.420
And of course, um, Tyler in Darlic Invasion of Earth?

740
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:12.900
Of course.

741
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.640
And he plays Cordwell.

742
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:15.119
Caldwell.

743
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.220
And Caldwell is the moral centre of this story.

744
00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:18.660
I guess we alluded to it before.

745
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.339
He's the only miner with a moustache.

746
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.559
Because he's the engineer, isn't he?

747
00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:24.180
Yeah, so he's a mining engineer.

748
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.319
He has to do what IMC says because IMC owns the world.

749
00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:33.420
Dent also tells him that he knows how in debt he is.

750
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.039
He's up to his he is in debt.

751
00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:39.000
And so he kind of has to do what Dent says.

752
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:42.119
But Dent is really pretty openly murdering a whole bunch of

753
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:42.420
people.

754
00:32:42.539 --> 00:32:45.059
He's so terrific, by the way.

755
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.220
Just a quick parathetic. he's great.

756
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:51.420
Great voice, just underplays it to the point of fabulous

757
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:52.380
camposity.

758
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.299
You know, he really is terribly good.

759
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:58.740
And so Caldwell sort of goes along with this, but then eventually

760
00:32:58.740 --> 00:33:03.000
you know, like he helps Winton to escape from being gunned down by

761
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.480
the guards and then eventually just jump ship.

762
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:08.819
And so the story is...

763
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:10.440
Yeah, it's a story of his redemption.

764
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:13.140
He's kind of at the moral centre of it. makes the right choice.

765
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:17.759
Yeah, I think it's really interesting that on the other side of

766
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.700
that, you have Winton, who starts off, yeah, all Winton wants to

767
00:33:20.700 --> 00:33:21.779
do is punch people in the face.

768
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:22.619
Yes.

769
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.319
And again, and he does sort of save everyone at the end by

770
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:26.940
punching Terry Walsh in the face a lot.

771
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.079
It's a really, it's Terry Walsh with a rare sort of...

772
00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:33.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. like front and sanitarium, well, take it

773
00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:33.960
out.

774
00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:37.740
But Winton also comes around to be more thoughtful because, of

775
00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:40.259
course, by the end of the story, he's the leader of the colony, so

776
00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:41.640
he has to be a more thoughtful character.

777
00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:45.660
Also, a little mentioned for the actor Nicholas Fennel.

778
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:50.640
In rod score for their story, which was 6 out of 10. 5 of those

779
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.920
points, Arthur Nicholas Fennel's bottom.

780
00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:55.319
And if you want to go back and watch the three.

781
00:33:55.380 --> 00:33:56.400
It's quite a nice bottom.

782
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:57.779
He's also played very well.

783
00:33:57.779 --> 00:34:03.059
And even he is such a strong and proactive part of the plot

784
00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:05.579
because it's him saying, we need to go into INT and take their

785
00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:08.639
weapons and then he finds the evidence, but stops up and the

786
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.139
evidence is destroyed and what have you.

787
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.800
It does lead to a bit of a loop story here, which is, of course, a

788
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:18.360
favourite of Malcolm Thorke and Terroristics in that face steal

789
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.280
the INC's weapons and have a shootout.

790
00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:25.019
And then INC weapon takes weapons back one episode later and has a

791
00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:25.980
shootout.

792
00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:29.579
And I think in both instances, at least a cliffhanger, just like

793
00:34:29.579 --> 00:34:32.400
the 1st 2 cliffhaggers of the story are the same.

794
00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:34.199
It's the doctor being menaced by the robot.

795
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:36.179
He gets to gurn again, you know?

796
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.159
Yeah, another girl. added to the list.

797
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:42.539
Interesting story that shows how much John Pertwee sort of put

798
00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:44.099
consideration into his character.

799
00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:47.340
There are photos from the story, which are quite famous, which is

800
00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:49.679
John Pertwee sort of lying on that broken table with the robot

801
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.159
above him. photographer was giving him directional. can you look

802
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:53.400
like this?

803
00:34:53.460 --> 00:34:54.000
Can you look like that?

804
00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:57.539
And John Kirby was asked, can you look terrified?

805
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:58.019
said, no.

806
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.380
The Doctor Who cannot look terrified because of Doctor Who looks

807
00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:02.760
terrified, it's too scary for children.

808
00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:04.800
The doctor has to look confident.

809
00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:06.480
I can look worried, I can look scared.

810
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:09.300
I won't look terrified because Doctor Who should never be

811
00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:09.719
terrified.

812
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:13.980
And yeah, it's kind of like, don't necessarily agree, I think, if

813
00:35:13.980 --> 00:35:17.820
the doctor looks terrified that shows how bad things are, but

814
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:19.920
certainly it shouldn't be terrified by that robot.

815
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.460
In fact, it is part of the problem with Perjury's character, isn't

816
00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:23.639
it?

817
00:35:23.699 --> 00:35:25.860
And we've said it before, he just never really seems like he's in

818
00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:26.280
danger.

819
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:29.639
And, you know, where he was terrified in Inferno, that was really

820
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:30.179
effective.

821
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.239
But he just kind of strides through the thing without being

822
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.099
particularly affected by it.

823
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.219
And, you know, as I've said before, when he retires from acting

824
00:35:38.219 --> 00:35:39.059
quite soon.

825
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.960
Um, that will make him, that will make him even more difficult to

826
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:43.139
us.

827
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:44.280
I think you are cool.

828
00:35:44.340 --> 00:35:46.860
I think he's actually had quite a lot of stuff in this season

829
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:49.800
that's forcing to be arrogant.

830
00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:51.239
He's had comedy moments.

831
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.639
He's had to be sympathetic.

832
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:55.139
He's had a whole range of things.

833
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.219
There's another comedy ending to this story where they come back

834
00:35:59.219 --> 00:36:01.980
in the brigadier moves out of the way of the time.

835
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:05.519
Last episode we had a last story, we had a comedy ending, I think

836
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.460
with his TARDIS not being able to get away, and so he's stuck

837
00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:11.880
there on earth in terribly autons, you know, he turns, turns

838
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.340
around, I'm stuck here on the earth with you, Brigadier, and it's

839
00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:14.940
ho, ho, ho.

840
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.480
Terrence loves his little comedy endings at the end of each of the

841
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:18.719
stories.

842
00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:22.079
I will talk about this more next story, but in this one it really

843
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.800
cements that Doctor Who is becoming about, in a way, the evolution

844
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:26.820
of Joe Grant.

845
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.539
Because, you know, Joe starts off literally bumbling in and

846
00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:33.300
wrecking experiments, in terror of the autopsy, in just a few

847
00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:33.840
short stories.

848
00:36:33.900 --> 00:36:37.679
She's proven herself capable of joining in with a revolution and

849
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.420
going from, I don't want to go outside.

850
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.280
I've got complete cock to shock.

851
00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:43.139
I'm terrified to when she comes back.

852
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.380
The doctor puts his arm around her and says, oh, don't tell him.

853
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:47.280
He'll never believe you.

854
00:36:47.340 --> 00:36:51.300
And it's like, suddenly again, we've got that special heart of

855
00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:54.000
Doctor Who, which is, this is a special thing and it takes a

856
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.219
special person to understand or do.

857
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:59.820
It takes a special person to be this adventurous, and it's sort of

858
00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:03.599
saying to fans, that means you're a special person too, to me, that

859
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.280
you know, that means you're a special person to Doctor Who.

860
00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:06.719
And it's been building to this moment.

861
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:07.619
Yeah, absolutely.

862
00:37:07.739 --> 00:37:10.079
And it will continue in the next story as well.

863
00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:13.559
Before we go on, can I talk about the novelisation?

864
00:37:13.619 --> 00:37:18.059
Can you talk about the plot where suddenly everything ends because

865
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:21.480
they've got that self-destruct button switched then that just

866
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.599
happens to be sitting there for this weapon that's been sitting

867
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:26.880
there the whole time and then we just get to push it.

868
00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:28.260
Yeah, it is a bit crummy.

869
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.599
But the thing is, when you think about it, the primitives are very

870
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.340
stupid.

871
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:33.599
So they wouldn't know how to use it.

872
00:37:33.659 --> 00:37:36.420
The priests are blind, so they wouldn't know how to use it.

873
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.760
And poor little, you know, squidgy puppet man.

874
00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:40.500
His arms are too short, so he can't use it.

875
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.780
They have to have someone else to do. brilliant.

876
00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:43.440
Okay.

877
00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:45.239
Okay, no, that makes that makes sense.

878
00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:49.019
So the normalisation solves a lot of the problems that the

879
00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:50.219
production has.

880
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:56.280
So the primitives look less stupid in the novel, like they're 6

881
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:59.280
fingered and they just have sort of curly hair and they kind of

882
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.739
read like, you know, like native populations.

883
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.400
I think they've got green hair or blue hair or something.

884
00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:07.079
They look a bit more like the swampies.

885
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:09.119
Yeah, so they look a bit better.

886
00:38:09.179 --> 00:38:12.300
The priests have otter heads, you know, they look like otters.

887
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.780
So rather than looking like clan heads, do you know what I mean?

888
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:16.800
Don't actually say that.

889
00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:17.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

890
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:24.179
And the puppet, the stupid puppet, is a glowing child size figure

891
00:38:24.179 --> 00:38:25.860
you know, that appears in flames.

892
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.340
Oh, which is what Matt, Matt Hawk originally wanted in the

893
00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:29.699
script.

894
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.780
And Terry said, we come.

895
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.760
We achieve that bad.

896
00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:33.420
What are you talking about?

897
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:34.559
puppet instead.

898
00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:38.519
But more than that, and it's what Hulk does all the time in his

899
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:42.000
novelisations is it gives just stacks and stacks of interesting

900
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:43.079
backstory.

901
00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:47.579
The Leasons who are the 1st couple to be killed by giant lizards.

902
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:51.480
Yeah, they have that one line in the story about on earth we

903
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.880
didn't even have a room and now we have our own room and we have

904
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.760
land and that's expanded into it, I think, almost a whole chat.

905
00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:58.619
We find out how they 1st met.

906
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.900
We learn all about what conditions are like on Earth.

907
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.960
You know, it's really, really, really good.

908
00:39:04.019 --> 00:39:07.139
And he changes the beginning of the story too.

909
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:08.159
Do you remember this?

910
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:13.980
Joe arrives and joins unit and is bored for ages and ages.

911
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.780
The other 3 stories don't happen.

912
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:17.820
And this is the 1st time.

913
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:19.800
Because this was the 1st one that was written and published.

914
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:23.820
Yeah, Mac was told, okay, we need the introduction for Joe in the

915
00:39:23.820 --> 00:39:24.179
same way.

916
00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:26.340
Dr. Had an exciting adventure in the dark.

917
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.559
So does he give her any parents?

918
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.139
No, no, I don't think so.

919
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.019
I don't remember her parents, but oh, that's not true.

920
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.320
There are stories of her as a little girl and she wanted to be a

921
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:38.159
secret agent or something.

922
00:39:38.219 --> 00:39:38.940
Yes, yes.

923
00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:40.380
But it's so good.

924
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.860
It really is so good and you get, you get a chapter from dense

925
00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:44.699
point of view.

926
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:49.199
We learn that the company sort of pimps, you know, like picks you

927
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.739
a wife and you come home and there's a wife there for you and, you

928
00:39:52.739 --> 00:39:53.760
know, that's...

929
00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:56.219
And he's like, you know, we hit along very well.

930
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.039
There's no romance, but she's a nice woman and understands what a

931
00:39:59.039 --> 00:39:59.579
career is.

932
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.000
Yeah, it's really, it's, it's really terrific.

933
00:40:03.059 --> 00:40:08.039
And and the best bit, do you remember Ash, Ash has a book, and

934
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.059
it's the story about someone called God, who he's never heard of.

935
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:17.400
And the 2nd half of the book has 4 stories about a man who gives

936
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.920
up his life to save other people.

937
00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:24.179
And so clearly religion and the Bible and things don't exist in

938
00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:26.099
this sort of future 500 years from now.

939
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:32.159
But it's that book that prompts Ash to sacrifice himself in order

940
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:33.300
to save the colony.

941
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:38.519
And it's, it's so, so well done and so much more interesting, uh

942
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:39.900
than what we get on screen.

943
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:41.880
And like I'm a huge fan of this story.

944
00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:43.500
But I love the novelisation.

945
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.380
So did that enhance your enjoyment of this story?

946
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.179
Yeah, yeah, because you've got that backstory.

947
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.219
I mean, there's enough in the actual story on screen.

948
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.280
You do get enough of an impression from the dialogue of what the

949
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.800
world was like, but it's kind of nice to be able to see it in the

950
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:56.159
novel.

951
00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:59.579
And the way I recently read it was some Jeffrey Beaver's audio

952
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:01.739
reading on it, which is wonderful.

953
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.099
I especially like both the moment in the doll and the way that

954
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:09.000
Jeffrey Beavers reads it in the TV version, when the Leasons are

955
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:13.380
killed, incidentally, Mrs. Leason, Sheila Grant, the infamous

956
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:14.340
voice of the Quox.

957
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:18.000
But...

958
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:23.579
But when that happens in the TV version, the sort of winter comes

959
00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:27.539
back in and says to Ash, and you know, I buried the bodies up on

960
00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:29.639
their land and that's the only thing we hear about it.

961
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:32.340
In the book, there is a beautiful service.

962
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.219
So if everyone's doing it on automatic pilot because, of course, in

963
00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:38.519
this highly compartmentalised world they've come from, they've

964
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:39.420
never had to bury anyone.

965
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:41.820
You know, and they don't know what to do.

966
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:46.260
And so the doctor is just very gently saying to Ash, okay, what

967
00:41:46.260 --> 00:41:48.659
you need to do is you need to dig a hole in the ground.

968
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.840
Maybe, maybe their land and put them in there and fill them in

969
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:52.260
with that.

970
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:56.219
And once that's done, you just talk about them. describe what they

971
00:41:56.219 --> 00:41:56.880
were like to know.

972
00:41:56.940 --> 00:41:59.820
And it's, it's this lovely moment.

973
00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:01.920
And the way that Jeffrey Bieber's read it because he's got such a

974
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.599
beautiful voice just enhances it.

975
00:42:03.659 --> 00:42:07.980
And I think that is even tied in later with the fact that Ash has

976
00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:10.619
this book about goad.

977
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:12.480
And Jesus.

978
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:15.179
It is that is beautiful, that scene.

979
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:16.679
And the doctor just underplays it.

980
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:17.940
He tells Ash.

981
00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:20.880
And, you know, they have a wake afterwards and they all meet and

982
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.659
they have tea and they laugh and they're enjoying themselves

983
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.360
doctor pretty much says now you have a party. and in the book

984
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.460
that's when Ash finally turns around and says, what?

985
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:31.199
It's so good.

986
00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:34.139
It's kind of undermined, I think, in the thing because, you know, a

987
00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:36.659
bunch of people have been killed already, in fact, discovered.

988
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.800
But that funeral scene is breathtakingly good.

989
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:46.619
Look, I'm just very impressed with this entire story and I've just

990
00:42:46.619 --> 00:42:47.519
I really enjoyed it.

991
00:42:47.579 --> 00:42:50.099
And it is, and as I've just said, he's my favourite of the season

992
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:52.860
and I was really surprised that this would be the one that would

993
00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:53.159
be.

994
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:54.960
Yeah, I had exactly the same experience.

995
00:42:55.019 --> 00:42:56.880
I didn't think this would be my favourite story.

996
00:42:56.940 --> 00:42:59.699
Cornell Day and Hopping describe it as like watching socially

997
00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:00.900
aware paints dry.

998
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.039
But if you watch it as 6 episodes in one hit. going to have that

999
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:05.340
call?

1000
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.679
I mean, I think terror of the autons maybe.

1001
00:43:08.219 --> 00:43:11.340
Maybe that's my favourite, but certainly this is vying for top

1002
00:43:11.340 --> 00:43:11.820
place.

1003
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.579
It's still my least favourite story of the season.

1004
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.400
But I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would.

1005
00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:19.619
It's due to good performances.

1006
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.199
I can't really fault the performance of anyone.

1007
00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:24.659
I don't think Tony Korn was that great, but at the same time, he

1008
00:43:24.659 --> 00:43:26.280
doesn't have a huge part, so that's fine.

1009
00:43:26.340 --> 00:43:29.820
But I think it's pretty much down to Matt Hawk's script.

1010
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.599
Yeah.

1011
00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:34.139
Yeah, Mac Hook cannot write a bad script, in my opinion.

1012
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:35.159
Ooh.

1013
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:36.960
Well, playing with that.

1014
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:38.219
We'll see about that.

1015
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.960
But we're going on to a script writer who may be mad or myth in

1016
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:43.679
the demons.

1017
00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:58.320
So, um, Nathan, this is yours, Teresa.

1018
00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:01.320
I'm just going to go up on, uh, up on Devil's Hump.

1019
00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:02.579
Like you do.

1020
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:03.480
Like you do.

1021
00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:05.219
So, this is John Pertee's favourite story.

1022
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:05.940
Yes.

1023
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:08.280
Yeah, and it's a story that the production team really liked.

1024
00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:11.579
It's written by Barry Letts and Robert Sloman, and I think they

1025
00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:12.119
do...

1026
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.300
Do they do the season finale, like every year for the next four

1027
00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:15.599
years?

1028
00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:17.099
Yeah, I do indeed.

1029
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:21.300
I think the next two, though, are Time Monster and Green Death are

1030
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:24.000
just credited to Robert Sloan, and I think he wrote them and Barry

1031
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.500
Ree Wrote them, whereas this one they did.

1032
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:27.780
Put it out under the name Guy Leopold.

1033
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.440
Yeah, which I think is like a middle name and a child's name or

1034
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:31.920
something like that.

1035
00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:35.159
And it's directed by Lets or am I mad?

1036
00:44:35.219 --> 00:44:36.719
No, it's directed by Christopher Barry.

1037
00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:37.440
Oh, okay.

1038
00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:37.860
All right.

1039
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:39.840
He will go on to direct, though, won't he?

1040
00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:41.280
Let's direct...

1041
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:42.239
Terror of the Autrons.

1042
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.539
Yeah, he directed the Autons this year, and next year, he will

1043
00:44:45.539 --> 00:44:46.860
direct the time.

1044
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.019
Yeah, he does start directing the finales, doesn't he?

1045
00:44:49.139 --> 00:44:50.820
He'd explain that to the spiders and stuff.

1046
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.860
So this is going to be an annual kind of event.

1047
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:54.480
It's going to be the big lets moment.

1048
00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:57.599
It's his story and Robert Sloman working together.

1049
00:44:57.659 --> 00:45:01.559
So you can see that it's very much what Lets wants to do with the

1050
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.920
program and that's kind of been the story of this year, you know.

1051
00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:10.500
He only got He only got to really plan half a season last time

1052
00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:12.000
this time he's got the proper season.

1053
00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:15.420
But I have to say that I think that the reason that this is per to

1054
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:20.699
his favourite story is that everyone had such a lovely time, you

1055
00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:22.800
know, on location for 2 weeks.

1056
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.079
Kurt, we got a ride around on a motorbike.

1057
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:28.559
Yeah, you know, they just seem to really terrifically enjoy, you

1058
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:30.900
know, hanging out of that village and all of that sort of thing.

1059
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.800
But what really ends up on screen is actually not that great.

1060
00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:38.579
And it does have fun moments, and it does introduce a pretty

1061
00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:44.039
significant new element to the show, but it's a giant mess plot

1062
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:48.900
wise, and it makes many, many puzzling creative choices, I think.

1063
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.239
So let's start positive.

1064
00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:52.079
Okay.

1065
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:56.099
It starts with, you know, that fun sequence with the doctor

1066
00:45:56.099 --> 00:46:00.300
patronising Joe and being terribly obnoxious to her, which is

1067
00:46:00.300 --> 00:46:01.019
always fun.

1068
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:05.400
And she's talking about the age of Aquarius and stuff like that.

1069
00:46:05.460 --> 00:46:09.000
And so the Age of Aquarius is obviously just a reference to the

1070
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:09.599
musical hair.

1071
00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:10.380
Yes.

1072
00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:10.860
Yeah.

1073
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.139
You know, because she says the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

1074
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:14.639
I mean that's the, but it really is.

1075
00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:16.679
Yeah, I think she's talking about hair and how it's actually

1076
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:16.980
happening.

1077
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:17.760
Yeah, yes.

1078
00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.079
So and it's about magic.

1079
00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:22.559
There hadn't been magic in Doctor Who before, and the doctor is

1080
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:26.340
staunchly opposed to magic and, you know, tells Joe that she

1081
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:29.460
should be a scientist and all of that sort of thing and then does

1082
00:46:29.460 --> 00:46:31.559
the magic thing with the car and stuff.

1083
00:46:32.699 --> 00:46:33.900
That's very true.

1084
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:37.920
And the doctor's identified as a scientist, sort of quite a lot.

1085
00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:40.920
And then they're even sort of wearing a lab coat, isn't it?

1086
00:46:40.980 --> 00:46:42.960
It's science versus magic.

1087
00:46:43.019 --> 00:46:48.000
Then, of course, they're watching the dig on television, which is

1088
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:48.539
terrific.

1089
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:50.639
I love BBC 3 everything.

1090
00:46:50.699 --> 00:46:51.719
Oh, 1970s.

1091
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:53.400
They're great. so funny.

1092
00:46:53.460 --> 00:46:57.119
It is, and this is a kind of lazy exposition thing that they've

1093
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.300
done before where they've had, you know, like a reporter short

1094
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:02.579
into camera like they did in Ambassadors of Dare.

1095
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:04.619
It's a big favourite of Malcolm Hook.

1096
00:47:05.099 --> 00:47:08.940
If you look at each of his stories for pert week, he uses

1097
00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:12.360
television or some kind of televised thing to summarise what's

1098
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:12.599
happened.

1099
00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:13.679
He does it in solar ends.

1100
00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:15.059
He did it in colony and he'll do it again.

1101
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.320
Yeah, so Colony in Space, the doctor was in that room watching the

1102
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.139
you know, what earth looks like these days on television.

1103
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.559
It's like the reminder room in the invasion of the dark.

1104
00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:29.940
Yes, the Solurians look at the development of Apes, the finishing

1105
00:47:29.940 --> 00:47:30.960
with Major Baker, yeah.

1106
00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:31.500
Yeah.

1107
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:35.400
So, but the reporter talking to camera for exposition, you know

1108
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.019
that's ambassadors of death.

1109
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.420
And that is kind of lazy here, but they do kind of manage to make

1110
00:47:39.420 --> 00:47:39.840
it fun.

1111
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:45.300
But the surprising thing is that crazy old Olive Hawthorne, bless

1112
00:47:45.300 --> 00:47:45.599
her.

1113
00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:46.380
Don't we love her?

1114
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:47.340
She's great.

1115
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:48.480
She is awesome.

1116
00:47:48.539 --> 00:47:50.219
Damaris Damon.

1117
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.519
And so she's clearly mad and going on about the devil and all of

1118
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:54.119
that sort of thing.

1119
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.179
And the doctor immediately goes, that woman's completely right.

1120
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:58.619
We must go down and stop.

1121
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.860
And so we've had all this anti-magic thing, but suddenly the

1122
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:04.920
doctor suddenly believes in magic all of a sudden and is off to

1123
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:05.280
stop it.

1124
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.559
And so for a long time in those 1st 2 episodes.

1125
00:48:07.619 --> 00:48:10.139
You don't quite know why the doctor's behaving in this way.

1126
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.260
And it does take a while for the other shoe to drop, I think.

1127
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:14.280
Yeah.

1128
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:18.719
And I think it's quite interesting as the 1st episode because

1129
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:23.940
Every other episode this season, by the end of the 1st episode, the

1130
00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:25.920
doctor is well and truly entrenched in the plot.

1131
00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:29.340
If we look back at episode one cliffhangers, terribly autumns, he's

1132
00:48:29.340 --> 00:48:32.340
about to get blown up by a bomb, the mind of evil, he's in the

1133
00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:33.840
room when the killer machine activates.

1134
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:38.099
Claws of Axos, he's inside the Axe on spaceship and Joe's being

1135
00:48:38.099 --> 00:48:43.079
menaced, Colony in space, he's being attacked by the robot.

1136
00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:46.800
But in this, he is directly threatened in the Cliffhanger.

1137
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.440
You know, roof comes down on him, but he's only arrived on the

1138
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.380
scene about 2 minutes before that, and the rest of the plot has

1139
00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:53.820
happened without him there.

1140
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:57.179
And we haven't seen that kind of plot development without the

1141
00:48:57.179 --> 00:49:00.119
doctor since the days of, you know, William on Patrick Trouton

1142
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:00.900
going off on a holiday.

1143
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.599
But I think to have that once in a while is okay.

1144
00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:04.739
The world's being built up.

1145
00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:08.760
And part of the tension is the doctor can't get there in time to

1146
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:09.300
stop it.

1147
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:12.539
And one of the reasons, can I say, that he can't get there in time

1148
00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:16.320
to stop it, is he goes into the palm, asks for directions to the

1149
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:20.699
dig, is instantly obnoxious and appalling to everyone.

1150
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:21.960
And so no one wants to tell him.

1151
00:49:22.019 --> 00:49:22.679
Yes.

1152
00:49:22.739 --> 00:49:25.679
And in that local park, like, they talk about, Oh, we love the

1153
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:26.699
costume and the wig.

1154
00:49:27.780 --> 00:49:29.340
You know, it's very funny, you know.

1155
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.860
Terence Dix is having a dig or 2 at this.

1156
00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:33.659
How nice to see you, Miss Arthur.

1157
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:37.320
But then of course, then you've got Joe in there and that sort of

1158
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:37.500
thing.

1159
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.159
And I do think that that is an indication of, perhaps, Barry

1160
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.800
that's the way he writes the doctor and doesn't let the doctor

1161
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.679
evolve when he gets his hand on and things like this.

1162
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:49.619
We'll see it again in a year's time in the time monster.

1163
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:51.179
He's going to be obnoxious.

1164
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.780
As opposed to the rest of the season where I think he's less so

1165
00:49:54.780 --> 00:49:55.559
but that's another story.

1166
00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:56.159
Right.

1167
00:49:56.219 --> 00:50:00.179
We also see it at the moment with Peter Capaldi, and it was even

1168
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:04.139
explicitly pointed out in into the Dalek.

1169
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:05.820
She's my carer.

1170
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:07.199
She cares, so I don't have to.

1171
00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:10.260
And whilst, you know, I think that's very good characterisation.

1172
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.659
I always felt that line was really clunky because I'm like, oh

1173
00:50:12.659 --> 00:50:14.880
John Poe and Katie Manning just did it with acting.

1174
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.619
That whole 1st episode is about getting there and I think it's

1175
00:50:19.619 --> 00:50:20.219
quite hilarious.

1176
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.380
You know, they have to use maps.

1177
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:26.280
There's no sat, NAV, there's no little, the science spin around

1178
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:26.880
and that sort of thing.

1179
00:50:26.940 --> 00:50:29.940
When they're running through the field, they abandon the car and

1180
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:31.980
because a branch falls on that thing.

1181
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:34.380
Stop that dick. not that dick.

1182
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.139
And in the background, Katie just goes, whoa.

1183
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:38.099
It falls over.

1184
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.059
It's hilarious.

1185
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:39.900
Pizza stop up.

1186
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:40.559
Keeps on going.

1187
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.800
I used to say, our old friend Peter McTire used to say that she

1188
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.239
tripped over a sleeping cow.

1189
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:47.460
Sleeping cow.

1190
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.219
Yeah, yeah, that's what that was. was appalled.

1191
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.820
Can I just say there's one thing I don't like about this story?

1192
00:50:53.820 --> 00:50:58.380
And it's when Miss Hawthorne meets Mr. Magister, and it's the

1193
00:50:58.380 --> 00:50:58.739
most.

1194
00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:03.360
I audibly groaned when I was watching this.

1195
00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:06.599
I had no problem with the master being in any other story this

1196
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:10.019
year and I know, you know, the whole story about, you know

1197
00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:13.260
Terrence Dixon Baronets say they overdid the master during this

1198
00:51:13.260 --> 00:51:15.179
season and up to this point.

1199
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:16.679
I didn't agree with that.

1200
00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:19.920
But I just went, oh, no, not him again.

1201
00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:23.099
Like, I mean, Roger's fine, you know, he's great.

1202
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:25.739
But it's sort of like, I already know the outcome.

1203
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:26.880
You're not going to win.

1204
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:28.920
He's really incompetent.

1205
00:51:28.980 --> 00:51:30.179
Shockingly bad.

1206
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:33.420
And in this story too, he actually begins to get more and more

1207
00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:38.159
agitated with people who do not fall underneath his spell, like, I

1208
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:39.840
think the squire gets it from him.

1209
00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:42.179
Like, you know, normally he's quite controlled, you know, he can

1210
00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:43.860
deal with these primitive apes.

1211
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.739
But in this story, he's beginning to lose his patience.

1212
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:48.719
I think he's just been on earth for far too long.

1213
00:51:48.780 --> 00:51:52.739
Something that is great about the story, though, are those minor

1214
00:51:52.739 --> 00:51:53.280
characters.

1215
00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:58.440
So the BBC 3 presenter, Alistair Ferguson, Alistair Ferguson.

1216
00:51:59.159 --> 00:51:59.880
Fergie, yeah.

1217
00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:01.980
I think someone actually calls him Fergie at one point.

1218
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.440
Like, he's he's got his slightly camp.

1219
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:06.059
He's producer?

1220
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:07.139
It's like the camp producer.

1221
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:08.519
This is to Professor Horner.

1222
00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:11.699
If you could do, if you could break through the wall just on the

1223
00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:15.179
street for me, that will be absolutely, well, I'll try my best to

1224
00:52:15.179 --> 00:52:17.159
be absolutely super mad.

1225
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.139
I like him where he goes.

1226
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.099
Quiet everybody.

1227
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:21.360
Lots of lovely hush.

1228
00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:23.760
Yeah.

1229
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.659
But it's nice like the way that both with that happening and then

1230
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:32.699
you've got Mike and Benson back in base, you know, going to

1231
00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:36.900
football, needing to turn over the brigs off, doing whatever.

1232
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:41.699
In fact, I was quite surprised how much the brigadier is actually

1233
00:52:41.699 --> 00:52:43.980
sidelined in this story up until the last episode.

1234
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.099
He doesn't really get him, like, you know, he's on the outer, plot

1235
00:52:46.500 --> 00:52:47.579
wise or whatever.

1236
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:52.440
And a lot of the action stuff is left to Mike Yates and Sergeant

1237
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:56.579
Benton, you know, in the chopper and then hideous jacket that

1238
00:52:56.579 --> 00:52:57.599
might be out.

1239
00:52:58.019 --> 00:52:58.980
What the hell is that?

1240
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:02.280
Look, I actually think that this is where the story's problems

1241
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:06.179
come in and they are things like sidelining the brigadier for a

1242
00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:07.260
long time.

1243
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:08.460
Joe gets very little to do.

1244
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.219
Both Joe and the doctor spend a week in bed.

1245
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.019
Yes, you know, 2 hearts.

1246
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:13.800
They get back to that too.

1247
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:15.780
That's that's mentioned.

1248
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.260
I do have less of a problem with that, though, because it goes

1249
00:53:19.260 --> 00:53:22.800
back to something I was saying last podcast, which is you now have

1250
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:24.480
a main cast of six.

1251
00:53:24.539 --> 00:53:28.500
And as with any ensemble show, this is the year that Doctor Who is

1252
00:53:28.500 --> 00:53:32.219
an ensemble show, you emphasise and D emphasise different

1253
00:53:32.219 --> 00:53:33.659
characters in different places.

1254
00:53:34.139 --> 00:53:37.920
And this story particularly emphasises Captain Yates, but I think

1255
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.440
even more so, it emphasises Sergeant Benton, because it constantly

1256
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:43.139
pairs him up with Ollie Hawthorne, which is hilarious.

1257
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:44.639
They're having tea.

1258
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:47.460
So then they get to go and investigate underneath in the crypton

1259
00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:52.380
and he steps on that the square and has a bit of a condition.

1260
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.019
But it's also to the point that this was meant to be the story

1261
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:56.639
where the brigadier's wife would appear.

1262
00:53:56.699 --> 00:54:01.619
On paper, he had a wife called Fiona, Fiona Lethbridge Stewart, and

1263
00:54:01.619 --> 00:54:04.440
she was just going to appear briefly, pretty much when he's woken

1264
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:06.659
up on the phone and he's saying, right, bring around my car.

1265
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:08.340
Right, well, bring around my other car.

1266
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:09.300
Well, wake up the doctor.

1267
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:10.019
Where is everyone?

1268
00:54:10.139 --> 00:54:14.340
Apparently, there was just going to be this slinky female arm come

1269
00:54:14.340 --> 00:54:17.460
across and try and pull him back into bed, but the BBC had a

1270
00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:20.219
serial and said, no, you can't pull that out instead.

1271
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.139
And you have to have him in pyjamas.

1272
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.780
No, Nick can't show up his medallions, et cetera, et cetera.

1273
00:54:25.139 --> 00:54:29.039
Yeah, I don't think it's a problem, but it de-emphasizes the

1274
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.099
brigadier and he literally gets stuck outside the action because

1275
00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:33.960
he's stuck on the other side of the thing.

1276
00:54:34.019 --> 00:54:37.860
I'd like the action man stuff for Bentamin Yates.

1277
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:38.940
I actually really like that.

1278
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.619
They do come up 2nd best at times.

1279
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.260
I mean, Mike is a fist fight.

1280
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.139
You know, then he has the motorcycle, you know, chase.

1281
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:47.639
I'm going, 0 yeah, right, great.

1282
00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:50.280
Mike Yates, man of mystery or whatever.

1283
00:54:50.340 --> 00:54:51.539
I mean, he's an idiot.

1284
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.400
He leaves the keys to the chop...

1285
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:54.840
Yeah, in the chopper.

1286
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:59.159
So that evil villager can go and, you know, menace the doctor.

1287
00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:02.460
And we can have some lovely stock footage from Russia with love

1288
00:55:02.460 --> 00:55:03.900
when the helicopter explodes.

1289
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:04.500
Really?

1290
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:04.800
Yes.

1291
00:55:04.860 --> 00:55:06.840
Yeah, they didn't explode an actual...

1292
00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:08.159
I actually was about to take it.

1293
00:55:08.219 --> 00:55:09.900
The proper explosion was great.

1294
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:11.039
It's here in my nose.

1295
00:55:11.099 --> 00:55:13.320
It's because I'm in Russia with love.

1296
00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:15.780
Just the light one in Enemy of the World.

1297
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:18.179
Both chosen by Barry Letts.

1298
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:20.820
You'll have to wait until Battlefield before they blow up a

1299
00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:22.380
practical helicopter, I'm afraid.

1300
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.360
Okay, it's quite my way.

1301
00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:27.900
I like the whole heap barrier thing, the way they try and charring

1302
00:55:27.900 --> 00:55:29.099
the ground and that sort of thing.

1303
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:30.360
The heat haze thing.

1304
00:55:30.420 --> 00:55:33.000
Yeah, I think that works quite well and there's a pretty effective

1305
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.500
sound effect that accompanies it.

1306
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:39.480
But it is another opportunity for her tweet to be obnoxious.

1307
00:55:39.539 --> 00:55:44.159
So you've got Sergeant Osgood, who seems to be quite sweet, um, and

1308
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:46.980
he's trying desperately to...

1309
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:49.920
He's having a very bad day, the poor man.

1310
00:55:49.980 --> 00:55:50.820
I think he does escape.

1311
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:51.360
He escapes.

1312
00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:54.539
He blows up, but he has sort of the comedy black, maybe. sort.

1313
00:55:54.539 --> 00:55:58.559
And so he's trying to understand from the doctor how to create

1314
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.679
this machine and pertry is sort of shouting instructions through

1315
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:04.860
the heat barrier at him and he's really dismissive and unpleasant

1316
00:56:04.860 --> 00:56:08.519
to someone who is trying to help him as usual.

1317
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:13.559
Uh, and it, Pertwee's arrogant so often punches down.

1318
00:56:13.619 --> 00:56:19.679
You know, he's often rude to people who, he is in a higher social

1319
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:22.619
position, man, and that's what makes him obnoxious.

1320
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.239
When he's angry at IMC.

1321
00:56:24.300 --> 00:56:25.500
Do you know what I mean?

1322
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:26.099
That's okay.

1323
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.320
That seems to be well-directed, righteous anger.

1324
00:56:28.380 --> 00:56:32.400
But just being dismissive and unpleasant to Sergeant Osgood.

1325
00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:34.380
It just makes him look mean.

1326
00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:34.800
I think.

1327
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:40.260
Do you think that he's more so quite dismissive of people who are

1328
00:56:40.260 --> 00:56:43.199
actually trying to help him and that also gets you back up at

1329
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:43.559
sometimes?

1330
00:56:43.619 --> 00:56:44.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1331
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.380
Look, I mean, I can I take your point and I can see that in the

1332
00:56:49.380 --> 00:56:52.139
character, but when I went into this season and watching it, I was

1333
00:56:52.139 --> 00:56:56.940
actively looking for positive things and I actually saw a journey

1334
00:56:56.940 --> 00:57:02.400
that the character began to mellow, and although at times I was

1335
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:06.239
irritated, through Joe and through the team and through what was

1336
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.780
happening, At the end of the season, I was far happier with where

1337
00:57:09.780 --> 00:57:11.820
the character was as opposed to the beginning.

1338
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:14.579
I do think there's some step backs in this story and I think that

1339
00:57:14.579 --> 00:57:16.619
comes from the writer from Let's.

1340
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:20.460
But I, you know, certainly as we head into season nine, I think

1341
00:57:20.460 --> 00:57:24.539
the character is, you know, if you look back at the beginning of

1342
00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:27.780
season seven, the character is in a very different place, I think

1343
00:57:27.780 --> 00:57:28.079
anyway.

1344
00:57:28.139 --> 00:57:29.280
It's improved.

1345
00:57:29.340 --> 00:57:33.719
It's still not ever going to be perfect or what perhaps you want.

1346
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:38.099
But I'm pleasantly surprised that I'm actually liking him a lot

1347
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:39.179
more than what I thought.

1348
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:39.539
Okay.

1349
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:43.559
He gets, you know, some moments in here to be the great wizard, the

1350
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:44.880
qui, qui, quad.

1351
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:46.679
Oh, which is Latin.

1352
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:48.659
Yes, for what is it Latin for?

1353
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:49.619
It's such a mystery.

1354
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:50.340
Who?

1355
00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:50.699
Yeah.

1356
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:51.900
Is it?

1357
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:52.739
No, no what?

1358
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:55.920
Well, it's actually who, then feminine who, then what?

1359
00:57:56.039 --> 00:58:00.179
It's the way that the word for who would have presented itself in

1360
00:58:00.179 --> 00:58:04.079
like a kid's vocabulary book, Latin, vocabulary book or a

1361
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:04.500
dictionary.

1362
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.440
So at least masculine, feminine, and neuter. off the word for

1363
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:07.679
who?

1364
00:58:07.739 --> 00:58:10.440
So he's a great wizard, Qui, Qui, Qui, which really brings us to

1365
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:13.380
another problem with the story, which is the villagers are just

1366
00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:15.480
terrible and kind of stupid.

1367
00:58:15.539 --> 00:58:19.380
And the qui quad things being used to get him out of being burned

1368
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:23.280
alive by a mob of angry villagers.

1369
00:58:23.340 --> 00:58:26.400
And it's been observed over and over again that they are the most

1370
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:30.480
bored looking mob of angry villagers that's ever been committed to

1371
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:30.780
film.

1372
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.380
They're all just standing around, looking listless and sort of

1373
00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:35.519
only vaguely interested.

1374
00:58:35.579 --> 00:58:39.119
You know what I think it is, except really for Bert McKillop and a

1375
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:40.559
couple of these cronies.

1376
00:58:40.619 --> 00:58:42.059
No one actually knows what's going on.

1377
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.420
They're just like, oh, this year's made procession is a bit out of

1378
00:58:45.420 --> 00:58:45.840
control.

1379
00:58:46.139 --> 00:58:50.159
You know, you even get a moment where there's a child standing out

1380
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.099
on a doorstep watching and mum sort of drags the child back in

1381
00:58:53.099 --> 00:58:54.179
very disapproving.

1382
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:54.840
Yes, yes.

1383
00:58:54.900 --> 00:58:55.440
What is it?

1384
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.920
Is that the, is it because the Maypole thing is kind of a...

1385
00:58:58.980 --> 00:59:00.420
It's a little bit pagan a little bit.

1386
00:59:00.420 --> 00:59:01.440
Yeah, okay. versatility.

1387
00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:04.019
Yeah, I think most people are just going, this is a bit weird.

1388
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.239
Why are they tying someone up?

1389
00:59:06.300 --> 00:59:08.340
I mean, why are they so stupid?

1390
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:09.719
Why are the villagers so stupid?

1391
00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:10.559
It is a big shame.

1392
00:59:10.619 --> 00:59:15.420
And, and, Can I just say, on the villages, those Morris dances and

1393
00:59:15.420 --> 00:59:16.320
all that May dancing?

1394
00:59:16.380 --> 00:59:20.340
Oh, I just wanted to like, I just, oh, I was just thinking, this

1395
00:59:20.340 --> 00:59:20.820
is padding.

1396
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.880
Well, it is, but it's also just sort of strange stereotonic

1397
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:24.119
things.

1398
00:59:24.179 --> 00:59:25.800
So this is actually our 1st English village.

1399
00:59:25.860 --> 00:59:28.920
And the English village, the sleepy English village becomes kind

1400
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:32.280
of one of the staples of the program, and we will see it sort of

1401
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:33.059
over and over again.

1402
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:39.179
And I think that the Maypole thing and credulous, uh, you know

1403
00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:44.099
gangs of witch burning hayseed hicks, is actually just sort of

1404
00:59:44.099 --> 00:59:47.099
more unpleasant stereotyping, but that's how, you know

1405
00:59:47.099 --> 00:59:52.320
sophisticated BBC people out, you know, like in the villages.

1406
00:59:52.380 --> 00:59:54.000
It is sort of somewhat unpleasable.

1407
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:58.199
So it's not an attempt to put something into the program that is

1408
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:02.219
familiar, like here are the villages, and you live in a village

1409
01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:04.500
and you're watching our program and this is you and you can

1410
01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:06.000
identify.

1411
01:00:06.059 --> 01:00:07.019
You're really stupid.

1412
01:00:07.139 --> 01:00:10.860
And let's see the ratings positive. like 2 million viewers.

1413
01:00:10.980 --> 01:00:15.119
But also the BBC do send themselves up in the character.

1414
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:20.400
Oh, yeah, yeah. in the character of Fergie and his and his...

1415
01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:21.119
Harry.

1416
01:00:21.179 --> 01:00:25.320
One of the things I do like about this is that the master gets a

1417
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:26.519
cliffhanger in episode three.

1418
01:00:26.579 --> 01:00:27.840
He's under threat.

1419
01:00:27.900 --> 01:00:31.800
It's not only that, he gets pretty much 2 unedable pleafangers, one

1420
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:32.400
after the other.

1421
01:00:32.460 --> 01:00:37.619
So Azal arrives, the master's in peril, Azal goes away and has a

1422
01:00:37.619 --> 01:00:38.159
bit of a sleep.

1423
01:00:38.219 --> 01:00:42.360
Then Azar arrives at the end of episode 4 and the Masters...

1424
01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:44.280
Well, the master's actually doing quite well by then.

1425
01:00:44.340 --> 01:00:45.659
But as I arrived.

1426
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.139
So we actually literally go back to the same position and we have

1427
01:00:49.139 --> 01:00:51.900
25 minutes of just sort of marking time.

1428
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.599
So it is a sort of giant plot.

1429
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.139
Mess, pacing wise, you know.

1430
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:01.139
Maybe they were struggling with the fact that it was 5 episodes

1431
01:01:01.139 --> 01:01:02.880
and not 6 or four.

1432
01:01:02.940 --> 01:01:05.159
Why is it 5 episodes?

1433
01:01:05.219 --> 01:01:07.679
Because they've still got 25 from the previous season and they

1434
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:09.000
haven't been given any budget.

1435
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.639
And now that they've proved themselves, they can be successful.

1436
01:01:11.699 --> 01:01:12.239
They get 26.

1437
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:12.900
They get 26.

1438
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:13.920
Yeah, exactly.

1439
01:01:13.980 --> 01:01:15.539
That's precisely why.

1440
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.420
Just to talk about where the story might have come from a little.

1441
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:22.920
The idea of the sleepy yet sinister English village had actually

1442
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.559
been explored quite a bit in the previous five years.

1443
01:01:25.619 --> 01:01:29.760
First of all, you had the publication of the novel Ritual, which 2

1444
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:31.980
years later would be used as a basis for the Wickerman.

1445
01:01:32.099 --> 01:01:36.360
You also had the novel The Owl Service, published in 1967, I

1446
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:41.820
believe, which in 1969 was adapted for television on ITV.

1447
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:46.260
And that was about an English village where a tragic debt that it

1448
01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:50.039
had occurred and 3 teenage characters were starting to act out.

1449
01:01:50.099 --> 01:01:52.019
So that had a magical element to it as well.

1450
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:56.219
And finally, one of the most popular episodes of The Avengers

1451
01:01:56.219 --> 01:01:59.159
which we can still come up to, take a drink, dear listener

1452
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:00.179
Murdersville.

1453
01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:03.539
I've seen that, actually. is all about a sleepy English village in

1454
01:02:03.539 --> 01:02:07.920
which you can pay the villagers a £10000, lure your business enemy

1455
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:10.380
there and kill them, and they'll dispose of the body for you.

1456
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:11.880
So that sounds great.

1457
01:02:11.940 --> 01:02:17.099
So in the years leading up to this, we had quite a few stories

1458
01:02:17.099 --> 01:02:23.280
quite a few popular stories, which, yeah, we're kind of saying, um

1459
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:24.900
village, village life.

1460
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:28.380
Oh, it's mysterious and it's odd because of the rise of

1461
01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:31.019
populations in cities and that's where people were watching

1462
01:02:31.019 --> 01:02:33.960
television and that's where people were buying lots of books.

1463
01:02:34.019 --> 01:02:37.440
The Doctor Who seems to have sort of jumped on the bandwagon

1464
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:37.800
there.

1465
01:02:37.860 --> 01:02:40.800
Can I tell you another band by that it's jumped on?

1466
01:02:40.860 --> 01:02:41.159
Yes.

1467
01:02:41.219 --> 01:02:47.099
So, um, in 1968, Eric von Denniken published chariots of the gods

1468
01:02:47.099 --> 01:02:51.059
which is a very famous book in which he suggested that aliens had

1469
01:02:51.059 --> 01:02:54.840
helped, you know, to construct the pyramids in Stonehenge and that

1470
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:56.880
it wasn't Peter Butterworth who did that after all.

1471
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:01.800
And that elements of the Old Testament and other human belief

1472
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.659
systems were influenced by aliens.

1473
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:09.000
And that is directly in this story, isn't it?

1474
01:03:09.059 --> 01:03:13.019
It turns out that magic isn't real, and the doctor explains it

1475
01:03:13.019 --> 01:03:22.260
using a lovely slideshow presentation with horns. brilliant.

1476
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:29.940
So, so, um, the doctor explains that what is magic is an alien

1477
01:03:29.940 --> 01:03:34.500
kind of uh, that feeds on sort of scionic energy or, or human

1478
01:03:34.500 --> 01:03:37.920
emotion or something like that, and that the rituals being used in

1479
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:41.760
the master ceremony are part of the sort of demons, you know

1480
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:43.139
ancient magic technology.

1481
01:03:43.619 --> 01:03:49.739
And Olive Hawthorne very sensibly says that, well, that is magic

1482
01:03:49.739 --> 01:03:51.300
then, isn't it?

1483
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:54.840
And because we like Olive Hawthorne and we're now inclined to

1484
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:55.679
believe what she says.

1485
01:03:55.739 --> 01:03:59.280
So I think this is the moment where the where Doctor Who gets to

1486
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:00.719
have magic now.

1487
01:04:00.780 --> 01:04:05.099
And all it has to do is say some sort of stupid hand wavy things

1488
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:08.820
about it being science and it can essentially do whatever it

1489
01:04:08.820 --> 01:04:09.179
wants.

1490
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:13.920
And now that's um, that's something that will, you know, continue

1491
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:15.539
into the present day.

1492
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.019
And the other thing that this story does for the 1st time, which

1493
01:04:19.019 --> 01:04:23.460
is a staple of Doctor Who, is the sleeping evil from the dawn of

1494
01:04:23.460 --> 01:04:27.480
time that influences, you know, the world's mythology or human

1495
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:28.559
evolution or something.

1496
01:04:28.619 --> 01:04:33.420
And so we get, you know, Kronos next year, pyramids of Mars, image

1497
01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:37.019
of the Fendal, state of decay, curse of Fendrick, the impossible

1498
01:04:37.019 --> 01:04:37.559
planet.

1499
01:04:37.619 --> 01:04:39.659
Like it happens over and over again.

1500
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:42.300
And so that's something that this story introduces.

1501
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.099
So that broadens the scope.

1502
01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.460
And I guess this is Santa for that broadens the scope of what this

1503
01:04:47.460 --> 01:04:48.840
show can actually now do.

1504
01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:53.579
And it also gives the the 2nd sinking of Atlantis.

1505
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:55.260
You just can't keep a good city down.

1506
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:55.980
No.

1507
01:04:55.980 --> 01:05:01.139
So really, it's not all that bad, if that's what it does.

1508
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:02.880
It's seminal. you know what I mean?

1509
01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:06.119
It introduces some elements to the show that haven't happened

1510
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:07.559
before.

1511
01:05:07.619 --> 01:05:10.199
It's a train wreck as far as pacing's concerned.

1512
01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:13.739
You know, like we did talk about the village, but maybe it's

1513
01:05:13.739 --> 01:05:16.500
really only Olive Hawthorne, who's of any interest.

1514
01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:19.559
I love the fact that what she carries in her handbag.

1515
01:05:20.340 --> 01:05:22.260
That's so funny.

1516
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:25.019
Hitch, he hits that guy with her reticule.

1517
01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:26.820
She should be killed.

1518
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:28.320
I mean, really?

1519
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.340
And she says, on these occasions, the outcome is a certain.

1520
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:34.320
She's terrific.

1521
01:05:34.380 --> 01:05:36.659
There is in this in this season.

1522
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:41.579
These little comic characters and comic elements much more so than

1523
01:05:41.579 --> 01:05:44.219
what happened, I think, the previous year.

1524
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:45.360
I think there's a lot more comedy.

1525
01:05:45.420 --> 01:05:47.579
And maybe than before.

1526
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:48.539
Yeah, yeah.

1527
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.480
And I think I think it's a lot better balanced than the comedy

1528
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:52.860
that came before as well.

1529
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:57.059
Because, you know, if we look at, say, the space pirates, that had

1530
01:05:57.059 --> 01:05:58.500
comic characters in it.

1531
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:00.119
Exactly.

1532
01:06:00.179 --> 01:06:03.300
You know, that had Milo Clancy and Domacy Gree.

1533
01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:05.280
Two...

1534
01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:09.659
I'm not going to watch that. 2 unintelligible old men possibly

1535
01:06:09.659 --> 01:06:12.000
making jokes at each other who can say they could have been

1536
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:12.840
reading recipes.

1537
01:06:12.900 --> 01:06:16.139
But, you know, this is comedy that anyone can understand because

1538
01:06:16.139 --> 01:06:17.880
it's coming from recognisable characters.

1539
01:06:17.940 --> 01:06:21.539
You've got the whole team there who can make these little jokes

1540
01:06:21.539 --> 01:06:24.420
because they've got a bond and that sort of thing.

1541
01:06:24.420 --> 01:06:27.659
And then you've got the characters like, oh, Hawthorne who come in

1542
01:06:27.659 --> 01:06:31.380
and because Mikey, it's Mikey, it's some officer to dance with the

1543
01:06:31.380 --> 01:06:32.219
brigadier at the end.

1544
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:34.920
Oh, see, another little comedy ending to the season.

1545
01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:37.320
But before we get there, God.

1546
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:40.019
What resolution, the climax of the whole story.

1547
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:45.420
Oh, the wonderful Joe is going to sacrifice herself for the

1548
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:45.719
doctor.

1549
01:06:45.780 --> 01:06:46.619
Is that what we talking about?

1550
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:49.619
Yeah, so the doctor's doing a really crummy job of convincing

1551
01:06:49.619 --> 01:06:51.300
himself to destroy the earth.

1552
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:55.320
And one of the ways that he tries to convince us all is by saying

1553
01:06:55.320 --> 01:07:00.420
how bad humanity is, how we're polluting everything, how we could

1554
01:07:00.420 --> 01:07:02.159
blow up the world, we probably will.

1555
01:07:02.219 --> 01:07:06.179
It's like a really poorly written speech as well, and it's poorly

1556
01:07:06.179 --> 01:07:07.860
delivered by poetry news kind of thing.

1557
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:08.880
What the hell are you doing?

1558
01:07:08.940 --> 01:07:10.679
Say nice things about us.

1559
01:07:10.739 --> 01:07:12.599
You know, do you want him to destroy us?

1560
01:07:12.659 --> 01:07:15.480
It's like that Monty Python sketch.

1561
01:07:15.539 --> 01:07:17.039
I'm sorry about my wife.

1562
01:07:17.099 --> 01:07:20.280
She's horrid, short, and she doesn't conduct very good

1563
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:25.980
conversation, but on the other hand, Sorry, I forgot where I was

1564
01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:30.179
going, you know, that's exactly that kind of speech. terrible.

1565
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:35.460
And so Joe leaps in to sacrifice yourself a friend of the doctor.

1566
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.019
Yeah, don't kill him, kill me.

1567
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.380
And, you know, the logical pop thing would have been for us all to

1568
01:07:40.380 --> 01:07:43.800
go, you see, that's what I was looking for. humanity's capable of

1569
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:44.219
this, right?

1570
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:44.940
I'll bugger off.

1571
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.039
But instead of like...

1572
01:07:47.099 --> 01:07:49.380
It's like Zoe has spoken to him in our goal.

1573
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.119
And so he's going to explode.

1574
01:07:51.179 --> 01:07:52.980
It's like you're exactly right.

1575
01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:56.639
It would have been so simple for that that act of self-sacrifice

1576
01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:58.320
to convince us all.

1577
01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:00.840
But do we have to kill a monster and blow up the church.

1578
01:08:00.900 --> 01:08:03.239
You know, it'd have been no good if the monster had just gone, all

1579
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:04.199
right, well, I'm off then.

1580
01:08:04.260 --> 01:08:06.239
I'm the devil, but I'm going.

1581
01:08:06.300 --> 01:08:08.460
The thing is, see, that'd be quite nice, but...

1582
01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:09.480
You could have blown up the church.

1583
01:08:09.539 --> 01:08:11.940
I mean, it's like in the previous story, is that dent.

1584
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.679
Yes, and killed.

1585
01:08:13.739 --> 01:08:15.780
No, he isn't killed.

1586
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:18.479
But he, there will be consequences, but you don't see it here.

1587
01:08:18.539 --> 01:08:21.720
Here, as no one could say, right, well, you've proven your worth

1588
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:23.699
as a species, I shall now depart.

1589
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:25.920
It's like a Star Trek ending.

1590
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.539
Well, the thing is, how awesome would it have been for a result to

1591
01:08:30.539 --> 01:08:32.699
then go, yes, I will know the part.

1592
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:34.199
The thing is, he doesn't shrink.

1593
01:08:34.260 --> 01:08:37.500
He just grows and destroys the church and we have a Godzilla

1594
01:08:37.500 --> 01:08:40.439
ending where he stomps across back to devil's hump to the

1595
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:41.399
spaceship and goes home.

1596
01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:42.479
Never too.

1597
01:08:43.020 --> 01:08:46.680
Yeah, we could have actually had giant sizes are stomping on

1598
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.380
buildings as he goes and everyone go, ah, we're terrible

1599
01:08:49.380 --> 01:08:49.979
scarcity.

1600
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:51.300
That could have been great.

1601
01:08:51.420 --> 01:08:53.880
He has a few moments of CSO problem, doesn't he?

1602
01:08:53.939 --> 01:08:56.340
And he's another one that chest hair, I think.

1603
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:57.180
With horses, though.

1604
01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:00.479
But he's got he's got skin on his legs.

1605
01:09:00.539 --> 01:09:03.899
So he's clearly wearing stockings that probably he shops in the

1606
01:09:03.899 --> 01:09:05.279
same place as the primitives, I think.

1607
01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:06.659
Sorry.

1608
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:07.920
I think that might be the problem.

1609
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:09.659
And it is Stephen Thorne shouting.

1610
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:13.140
Okay, it adds the 1st appearance of Stephen Thorne. who will

1611
01:09:13.140 --> 01:09:15.600
become a regular guest star over the next 3 years.

1612
01:09:15.659 --> 01:09:16.739
He keeps coming back.

1613
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:18.659
So he's the only guy who else is in?

1614
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:19.380
wearing masks.

1615
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:20.460
He's Omega.

1616
01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:21.539
He's an Ogrom.

1617
01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:22.739
Oh, really?

1618
01:09:22.739 --> 01:09:25.979
He is also Eldred.

1619
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:27.600
Oh yes, of course he is.

1620
01:09:27.659 --> 01:09:30.359
Although you'd be forgiven for thinking he's Elder has played by

1621
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:30.960
Brian Blessett.

1622
01:09:31.020 --> 01:09:33.539
Stephen Thorn doing a very good Brian Blessed impersonation.

1623
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:35.279
He is rational, but we're getting ahead of that.

1624
01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:36.720
That's spoil.

1625
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:37.199
Yes.

1626
01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:41.880
I actually think the Damens is my favourite story of this season.

1627
01:09:41.939 --> 01:09:42.600
Okay.

1628
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:47.100
Just because it's almost mind of evil, but I think Damon's really

1629
01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:52.500
balances drama and comedy and character quite well.

1630
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:56.279
I know the brigadier doesn't get very much to do, but really, a

1631
01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:58.800
brigadier is a brigadier general.

1632
01:09:58.859 --> 01:10:00.659
He shouldn't always be in the field.

1633
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:02.159
He's got his 2 guys in the field.

1634
01:10:02.220 --> 01:10:03.359
They're running around in sippies.

1635
01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:04.680
So having a fabulous time.

1636
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:10.439
I know it's very sort of big in spectacle, but yeah, I can't help

1637
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:10.920
but like it.

1638
01:10:10.979 --> 01:10:14.939
Yeah, and you've got the whole team there having fun and that sort

1639
01:10:14.939 --> 01:10:15.239
of thing.

1640
01:10:15.300 --> 01:10:15.899
You know I like it.

1641
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:19.500
I can see, Nathan, what you're saying, there are problems with

1642
01:10:19.500 --> 01:10:19.739
it.

1643
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:25.020
But again, you know, I've come away from this season, enjoying all

1644
01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:27.659
the stories, some a little bit more than others.

1645
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:31.439
But really discovering something new and feeling quite positive

1646
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:33.539
about the journey that is ahead.

1647
01:10:33.659 --> 01:10:38.460
I think all 5 stories are pretty fun and they're all watchable.

1648
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:41.760
And I think, you know, Pertwee, you know, is always, you know, like

1649
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:46.439
he's never sort of, he's never bad to watch and it is nice having

1650
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:49.380
all those regular people around and hanging out with those

1651
01:10:49.380 --> 01:10:49.680
people.

1652
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:52.979
You know, even if they're not particularly spectacularly

1653
01:10:52.979 --> 01:10:53.699
characterised.

1654
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:58.319
But I would have to say that I, my opinion, is completely the

1655
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:02.100
opposite of yours, and my least favourite ones were mine of evil.

1656
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:04.619
And um, and, and this one.

1657
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:08.819
Um, just before we move on to our awards for the season.

1658
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:12.600
I just want to say that I think part of the reason I love this

1659
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.659
story so much is it wraps itself up and it wraps the whole season

1660
01:11:15.659 --> 01:11:16.380
up so well.

1661
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:19.380
I mean, I don't just mean the master being captured, but I mean

1662
01:11:19.380 --> 01:11:20.520
that beautiful last line.

1663
01:11:20.579 --> 01:11:23.340
I mean, everyone quotes, fancier dance, brigadier.

1664
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:24.060
No thanks, Captain.

1665
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:25.680
I'd rather have a pint, which is very sweet.

1666
01:11:25.739 --> 01:11:31.199
The closing line just sort of sums up that Doctor Who is back and

1667
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.560
it's finished reinventing itself when the doctor says to Joe, you

1668
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:36.720
know, Joe, perhaps there is magic in the world.

1669
01:11:36.779 --> 01:11:41.159
And everyone's just having great time. peace has been restored to

1670
01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:41.520
this village.

1671
01:11:41.579 --> 01:11:45.359
The world's been saved, the master's under lock and key, and the

1672
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.600
doctor, I think, in that moment, that's his final acceptance of

1673
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:50.220
Joe. That's lovely.

1674
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:52.500
Yeah, I think that's...

1675
01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:59.460
So, um, from that sort of a loveliness.

1676
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:05.279
Let's move on to our Jenny Laird awards and I've been having a

1677
01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:09.840
look at some dates and Terror of the Autons was recorded 9 months

1678
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:11.939
after Ambassadors of Death. roughly.

1679
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.539
Now, we know from Carolyn John that she was about 3 months

1680
01:12:15.539 --> 01:12:20.939
pregnant during Ambassador's death, which means she would have had

1681
01:12:20.939 --> 01:12:25.079
her child 3 months before terror of the auton started location

1682
01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:25.859
filming.

1683
01:12:26.460 --> 01:12:32.100
So my Jenny Laird award from those puzzling creative choice is

1684
01:12:32.100 --> 01:12:36.479
Could we not have had some way to have a leaving scene for this?

1685
01:12:36.539 --> 01:12:40.380
Some brief appearance in some way, shape, or form?

1686
01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:45.060
Now, Barry Letzer said, I didn't record a leaving scene for her

1687
01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:48.479
because I felt that the character hadn't been in the show long

1688
01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:50.880
enough to need a leaving scene.

1689
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.060
They'd already decided that she was leaving before they finished

1690
01:12:54.060 --> 01:12:55.079
recording Inferno.

1691
01:12:55.140 --> 01:12:56.340
She knew that was me.

1692
01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:57.779
She knew that was her last story.

1693
01:12:57.840 --> 01:12:58.859
I believe that's true.

1694
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:02.279
She was actually on the contract for the 1st 2 stories of season 7

1695
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:04.739
then was contracted separately for the last 2 and Barry already

1696
01:13:04.739 --> 01:13:06.420
had misgivings about the character at that point.

1697
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:06.899
Right.

1698
01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:11.939
I understand that it was mutual, and of course, that 3 month old

1699
01:13:11.939 --> 01:13:13.979
baby, you're probably not going to want to work.

1700
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:15.000
You want to spend time with your child.

1701
01:13:15.060 --> 01:13:20.159
But if she wasn't important enough, if you like, to warrant a

1702
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:23.399
leaving scene, why is she important enough to mention in the

1703
01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:25.199
script, it's either one way or the other.

1704
01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:28.859
So I think if they couldn't get her back, it might have even been

1705
01:13:28.859 --> 01:13:30.239
preferable not to say anything at all.

1706
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:35.579
It's that, it is that terrible 60s thing, isn't it, that they just

1707
01:13:35.579 --> 01:13:39.000
almost never get it right with getting rid of the characters, and

1708
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:44.939
the 2 exceptions are, obviously, Ian and Barbara, and, um, Debbie

1709
01:13:44.939 --> 01:13:47.640
Watling's character who might've completely forgotten, what was

1710
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:47.939
she called?

1711
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:48.479
Victoria?

1712
01:13:48.539 --> 01:13:49.260
Yeah, I've heard that.

1713
01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:52.859
Oh, and obviously Jamie and Zoe as well, you know, but the whole

1714
01:13:52.859 --> 01:13:54.300
show's...

1715
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:57.539
Yeah, actually, but mind you, Ben and Polly are written out

1716
01:13:57.539 --> 01:13:59.100
halfway through their leaving story.

1717
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:02.699
They get a decent enough scene saying goodbye to the doctor.

1718
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:04.560
But the final story is for me.

1719
01:14:04.619 --> 01:14:06.119
Yeah, yeah, it's a shame.

1720
01:14:06.180 --> 01:14:12.119
So it's a real problem, I think, because we're going to invest in

1721
01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:14.340
these characters and they're just going to throw them away.

1722
01:14:14.460 --> 01:14:17.460
But the thing is, you know, they are setting up a whole new

1723
01:14:17.460 --> 01:14:18.899
premise at the beginning of the season.

1724
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:22.800
And I think to have her there is just, would have been a jarring

1725
01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:23.039
moment.

1726
01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:26.579
And they just needed to just to have the new faces.

1727
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:28.800
And you know, I'm glad she's at least mentioned.

1728
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:33.779
In fact, it's really interesting because they introduce Joe before

1729
01:14:33.779 --> 01:14:35.939
they tell us that Liz is leaving.

1730
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:39.180
And so you are kind of sitting there going, where's Liz?

1731
01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:39.840
Is she coming?

1732
01:14:39.899 --> 01:14:40.500
Where is she?

1733
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:44.039
You know, and then, you know, this woman comes in and, you know

1734
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:47.880
hand fisted bum vendor, which again, gosh, Pertu is obnoxious.

1735
01:14:47.939 --> 01:14:52.380
Um, uh, and then only then do we, like we start, I think, to

1736
01:14:52.380 --> 01:14:55.680
suspect maybe Lizzie's and coming back. then we get it confirmed.

1737
01:14:55.739 --> 01:14:58.439
I think that's when Sue, and the wife in space, says something

1738
01:14:58.439 --> 01:14:59.939
winds up, oh, this isn't going to like this.

1739
01:15:00.659 --> 01:15:04.920
But yeah, I mean, and the thing is, this is a minor nickel because

1740
01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:06.779
I don't have a problem with much in this season.

1741
01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:09.720
I was tempted to make my journey later war, you know, why is our

1742
01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:11.819
1st alien planet in 2 years, so crap.

1743
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:14.159
But I've already harped on about that.

1744
01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:17.760
So I'm just going to say, Don't try and hit the middle ground with

1745
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.100
a companion leaving scene, either have one or don't.

1746
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:22.619
They won't learn from this lesson, will they?

1747
01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:24.899
It will happen very badly again and again.

1748
01:15:25.140 --> 01:15:27.899
I don't think it ever happens quite this badly.

1749
01:15:28.020 --> 01:15:30.060
This production team will learn from this.

1750
01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:32.340
Oh, yeah, with Joe's leaving seems beautiful.

1751
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:33.300
Spoiler alert.

1752
01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:37.260
Yeah, maybe this is the worst.

1753
01:15:37.260 --> 01:15:38.640
We've had this conversation, haven't we?

1754
01:15:38.699 --> 01:15:42.300
We did decide it was Liz, that her leaving is worse than dodo.

1755
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:42.960
It's worse.

1756
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:44.220
Because we care about it more.

1757
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:45.239
Yeah I think that's it.

1758
01:15:45.300 --> 01:15:48.300
My Jenny Laird award goes to Michael Burtle.

1759
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:49.439
Who is that?

1760
01:15:49.500 --> 01:15:52.560
He is responsible for the costumes in colony in space.

1761
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:59.520
And it is that just the massively unflattering look of the

1762
01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:04.079
costumes that the IMC people wear that just make them all look

1763
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:06.659
paunchy and have big bums.

1764
01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:10.500
And then and then there's Dent, you know, who we've said is really

1765
01:16:10.500 --> 01:16:10.920
really good.

1766
01:16:10.979 --> 01:16:14.279
Like, I think he must be one of the best Doctor Who villains ever

1767
01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:17.640
who is just absolutely hamstrung by that wig.

1768
01:16:17.699 --> 01:16:19.439
The wig is so bad.

1769
01:16:19.500 --> 01:16:23.159
And you can see that it's like trying to be, you know, like

1770
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:25.619
Commander Straker from UFO or something.

1771
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:27.779
It's like he's got future hair.

1772
01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:31.500
You know, but it is he's more gay Ellis from UFO.

1773
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:33.060
It's really, really bad.

1774
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:36.960
So everyone looks sort of pigeon chested and so on.

1775
01:16:37.020 --> 01:16:41.819
So, uh, so Michael uh, gets my Jenny Laird award, uh, and he's

1776
01:16:41.819 --> 01:16:45.359
well and truly uh, in the running because he does come back in

1777
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.779
season 16 and do the costumes for the Armageddon factor.

1778
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:50.159
Oh, damn.

1779
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:52.260
Not a great track record.

1780
01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:52.739
No.

1781
01:16:52.739 --> 01:16:56.159
Well, I guess my Jenny Laird Award.

1782
01:16:56.220 --> 01:16:58.380
Oh, this is Todd's 1st Jenny Laird award.

1783
01:16:58.439 --> 01:16:59.819
Savour the moment.

1784
01:16:59.939 --> 01:17:00.960
Oh, save at the moment.

1785
01:17:01.020 --> 01:17:02.220
Gee, don't build it up too much.

1786
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.699
I've been fishing around in my head all sorts of options, but I

1787
01:17:05.699 --> 01:17:07.560
think it has to go to puff the magic dragon.

1788
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:12.239
I mean, what were they thinking, you know, and showing the whole

1789
01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:12.960
thing was a mistake.

1790
01:17:13.020 --> 01:17:15.060
A mistake, a mistake.

1791
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:16.020
Terrific?

1792
01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:16.680
Yeah, well done.

1793
01:17:16.739 --> 01:17:20.460
For my pick of the month. going back to my old stalwart big finish

1794
01:17:20.460 --> 01:17:22.800
and it kind of ties in with my Jenny Laird Award 2.

1795
01:17:22.979 --> 01:17:26.220
Set between terror of the autons and the mind of evil.

1796
01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:30.840
We have The Sentinels of the New Dawn, which is performed by Carol

1797
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:31.439
and John.

1798
01:17:31.500 --> 01:17:32.520
Oh wow.

1799
01:17:32.579 --> 01:17:33.659
What this is.

1800
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:38.520
This is a story during season 8 where Liz has encountered

1801
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:41.279
something sinister at Cambridge and calls the doctor for help.

1802
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:46.680
And as it's told in the story, rather than being a reunion of 2

1803
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:49.739
people saying, bitterly saying, why did you, why did you leave?

1804
01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:51.000
you know, da.

1805
01:17:51.060 --> 01:17:56.100
It's actually 2 colleagues meeting and it's written as a great

1806
01:17:56.100 --> 01:17:58.680
mutual respect and it's so wonderful to see you, you're doing so

1807
01:17:58.680 --> 01:17:59.039
well.

1808
01:17:59.100 --> 01:18:03.779
And the thing is, though, she gets a more season eight-ish alien

1809
01:18:03.779 --> 01:18:08.220
invasion, sinister organisation, trip on a speedboat kind of

1810
01:18:08.220 --> 01:18:08.819
plot.

1811
01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:10.739
So it's really, really good.

1812
01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:15.779
It's also a prequel to a later Doctor Who missing story Leviathan

1813
01:18:15.779 --> 01:18:16.380
which is very good.

1814
01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:20.640
But my recommendation is Doctor Who, the Companion Chronicles, the

1815
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:24.300
Sentinels of the New Dawn, because I haven't had enough Liz Shaw

1816
01:18:24.300 --> 01:18:24.479
yet.

1817
01:18:24.539 --> 01:18:25.800
Who has?

1818
01:18:25.859 --> 01:18:27.300
Indeed.

1819
01:18:27.420 --> 01:18:31.560
So my pick of the week is a completely self-serving one.

1820
01:18:31.619 --> 01:18:32.279
Hooray!

1821
01:18:32.340 --> 01:18:34.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah. randomiser again?

1822
01:18:34.739 --> 01:18:37.680
It's not the randomiser, although go and visit the randomiser.net

1823
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:40.140
if you want to not know what Doctor Who story you're going to

1824
01:18:40.140 --> 01:18:40.680
watch next.

1825
01:18:40.739 --> 01:18:44.039
No, my pick of the week is a new website, which has just only been

1826
01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:44.819
up for a few weeks.

1827
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:47.220
It's called Crater of Needles.

1828
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:47.760
Oh, yes.

1829
01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:51.539
And it's created, I think, by Stephen Wood.

1830
01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:54.000
So there are a few articles so far.

1831
01:18:54.060 --> 01:18:57.119
He's talked about heart, all he's talked about and compared it to

1832
01:18:57.119 --> 01:18:58.260
the beginning of the new season.

1833
01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:01.739
He's talked about Doctor Who marathons.

1834
01:19:01.739 --> 01:19:06.180
And in that context, he was kind enough to mention the podcast

1835
01:19:06.180 --> 01:19:11.520
favourably and talk about how we were chronicling the experience

1836
01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:13.979
of watching Doctor Who all the way through in order.

1837
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:15.539
And it was very sweet.

1838
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:20.100
It was, uh, it was uh, very nice to have such nice things set of

1839
01:19:20.100 --> 01:19:20.579
bounces.

1840
01:19:20.699 --> 01:19:24.539
So, uh, it's crater of needles.com, uh, and you can follow the

1841
01:19:24.539 --> 01:19:25.739
author, Stephen Wood.

1842
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:29.760
He's Stephen with a PH, Stephen Wood underscore UK on Twitter.

1843
01:19:29.819 --> 01:19:34.739
Yeah, well, I hope he's enjoyed season 8. interesting.

1844
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:39.420
My pick of the...

1845
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:41.640
I call it pick of the week, but that's crazy talk.

1846
01:19:41.699 --> 01:19:46.800
Okay, because the week is the big finish audio, The Feast of

1847
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:47.880
Axels.

1848
01:19:47.939 --> 01:19:51.300
Axel's climate, fuel system exhausted.

1849
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:53.100
Request immediate assistance.

1850
01:19:53.460 --> 01:19:56.159
We don't fall for that again, do we?

1851
01:19:56.220 --> 01:20:00.960
Well, you'll have to listen to it and find out what the 6th doctor

1852
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:05.939
Evelyn Smythe, and Bernard Holy, who was the voice of Axelos is

1853
01:20:05.939 --> 01:20:06.300
back.

1854
01:20:06.300 --> 01:20:07.199
Get up to.

1855
01:20:07.260 --> 01:20:08.640
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1856
01:20:08.699 --> 01:20:11.579
It's worth it just to hear him say those immortal minds.

1857
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:16.020
So it's strange that again, it was like having the zombie big

1858
01:20:16.020 --> 01:20:16.560
finish one.

1859
01:20:16.619 --> 01:20:17.340
Do you know what I mean?

1860
01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:17.880
kind of thing.

1861
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:23.760
This is so visual and so TV-ish that it would be a strange choice

1862
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:26.399
to kind of try and create a sequel to on audio.

1863
01:20:26.460 --> 01:20:27.000
Does it work?

1864
01:20:27.060 --> 01:20:29.579
I think it does, and I think it's because it's the voice of

1865
01:20:29.579 --> 01:20:30.420
Axels.

1866
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:31.199
Yeah, yeah.

1867
01:20:31.260 --> 01:20:32.520
And it just works.

1868
01:20:32.579 --> 01:20:34.619
I really like that one too.

1869
01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:37.560
And dear listener, if you do track down that story and listen to

1870
01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:37.739
it.

1871
01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:41.039
I highly recommend the Cliffhanger to episode three.

1872
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:43.800
I'm not gonna say anything more about it, but very, very

1873
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:44.279
effective.

1874
01:20:44.340 --> 01:20:45.659
Ooh, I'm intrigued.

1875
01:20:59.460 --> 01:21:05.340
Now, next time, it will be, uh, myself, Nathan, and Richard Todd

1876
01:21:05.340 --> 01:21:06.899
you will join us again for season 10, I believe.

1877
01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:08.039
NT.

1878
01:21:08.100 --> 01:21:11.100
However, the story allocations are as follows.

1879
01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:18.659
Nathan, for Season 9, you will be discussing the Mutants, and the

1880
01:21:18.659 --> 01:21:19.439
Time Monster.

1881
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:22.859
I actually don't mind the time also, that'll be fun.

1882
01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:27.119
I will again be on the Planet of Mac Hulk with the sea devils.

1883
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:29.460
More giant lizards, more giant lizards.

1884
01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:32.220
And Richard, if you're listening, and I hope you are.

1885
01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:35.159
You have got Day of the Daleks.

1886
01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:37.859
And the curse of Paladin.

1887
01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:42.539
Now, Todd, the next time you join us for season 10, you will be

1888
01:21:42.539 --> 01:21:45.479
mainlining the classic carnival of monsters.

1889
01:21:45.539 --> 01:21:47.039
Oh, no.

1890
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:48.779
That's her to his best story.

1891
01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:50.460
I love it.

1892
01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:52.319
Time to rewatch it.

1893
01:21:52.619 --> 01:21:55.979
As already proven, there are things that I've watched that I

1894
01:21:55.979 --> 01:21:59.159
thought I didn't like that I really like, so, you know?

1895
01:21:59.220 --> 01:22:00.300
He's hoping.

1896
01:22:00.420 --> 01:22:03.119
Well, it's bound to be a very interesting next 2 months.

1897
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:06.239
But until we see you again in 2 weeks, dear listener.

1898
01:22:06.300 --> 01:22:08.340
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1899
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:09.060
Good night.

1900
01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:09.659
Good night.

1901
01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:15.180
That was Flight 2 Entirety, with Todd Building, Nathan Bottomley

1902
01:22:15.180 --> 01:22:16.020
and Brandon New Jones.

1903
01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:19.199
This episode, punching Terry Walsh in the face, was reported on

1904
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:20.640
February the 1st, 2015.

1905
01:22:20.819 --> 01:22:23.579
The next episode will be released on March 15th.

1906
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:27.000
You can find us online at flight toentires.com, flight to entirety

1907
01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:30.000
on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter.

1908
01:22:30.060 --> 01:22:32.880
We dedicate this episode to memory of Bernard K, who played

1909
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:34.380
Caldwell in Colony and Space.

1910
01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:39.600
Try and truly.

1911
01:22:39.659 --> 01:22:40.260
No, that's okay.

1912
01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:42.300
I just pressed record so I could just sit down.

1913
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:45.960
So what should we talk about?

1914
01:22:46.020 --> 01:22:47.100
Blake seven.

1915
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:50.699
Oh, I want to get more notes.

1916
01:22:50.819 --> 01:22:54.239
We've got so many fascinating things to say about this.

1917
01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:57.180
Hmm, I'm a fascinating fellow.

1918
01:22:57.720 --> 01:22:59.760
You got a fascinator.

1919
01:23:00.539 --> 01:23:01.859
Sorry.

1920
01:23:01.859 --> 01:23:02.880
That's what I'm wearing now.