WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 15:23:02 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.780 Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:47.399 The only Doctor Who podcast, still annoyed about John Pertwee's complete inability to correctly pronounce the name Metabolus 3. 3 00:00:47.579 --> 00:00:49.079 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:50.159 I'm Corey. 5 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:51.119 I'm Pete. 6 00:00:51.179 --> 00:00:52.380 And I'm sorry. 7 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:57.659 Well, nothing's more terrifying than love, and this week we've got it in spades. 8 00:00:57.719 --> 00:00:58.679 Alec loves Emma. 9 00:00:58.740 --> 00:01:06.959 Clara and the doctor need one another and the crooked man wants to do unspeakable things to the crooked lady immediately after this week's credits role. 10 00:01:07.019 --> 00:01:13.620 So the only question left to answer is do we love this season's haunted house episode, hide. 11 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.780 So can someone answer this question for me? 12 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:27.000 Why is it called hide? 13 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:33.540 That is the bigger question than Doctor Who, which the season goes on and on about. 14 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:39.060 Because you can't run, because you've got a thick one. 15 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:40.260 I don't know. 16 00:01:40.500 --> 00:01:47.819 So, yeah, so firstly, is it a verb or is it the noun meaning the skin of an animal? 17 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:48.959 I guess that's probably it. 18 00:01:49.019 --> 00:01:52.799 But there's no one to hide from because it turns out everyone's lovely. 19 00:01:52.859 --> 00:01:55.379 Maybe you can't hide from love. 20 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.280 There we go. you old romantic Pete. 21 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:03.540 Do you know, I actually think you're pretty close to the market, Pete. 22 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:08.939 I think this is about people who are hiding from their feelings and hiding from themselves, I think. 23 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:15.719 I mean, Alec, I think, is hiding from himself and his past and what happened during the war. 24 00:02:15.780 --> 00:02:19.080 So I think that's where for me, the title rests. 25 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:30.419 I think there's that moment too, where Emma very, very nearly gets Alec to admit that he has feelings for her or something. 26 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.840 Like there's that bit where she moves her hand towards him. 27 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:40.199 And then when he doesn't react, she has to kind of withdraw it in this embarrassed way and we're all sort of super awkward for a moment. 28 00:02:40.259 --> 00:02:41.939 Maybe that's it. 29 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.020 Maybe it is about hiding your feelings. 30 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.259 It's, it's odd. 31 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:55.020 There is something going on here, I think, but I just am not sure how clear it is. 32 00:02:56.699 --> 00:02:59.520 It seems to me that you've got a few couples. 33 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:15.900 You have Alec and Emma, you have the doctor and Clara, who have sort of secrets from each other, and you have the strange 2 aliens that we discover were in love all along. 34 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.960 But I'm not sure that we go anywhere with it. 35 00:03:19.020 --> 00:03:20.699 It does seem to be kind of resonant. 36 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.280 It does tie the whole thing together a bit. 37 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.400 But I don't know whether it says anything in particular. 38 00:03:26.819 --> 00:03:33.479 Is the story saying that there's a parallel between Emma and Alec and the doctor and Clara? 39 00:03:33.539 --> 00:03:38.099 And if that is the case, I'm not sure it quite works, I think. 40 00:03:38.099 --> 00:03:51.719 There's just the slightest hint when Emma is talking to Clara about the doctor that Clara might have some feelings for the doctor or some interest in the doctor, but it's not taken any further. 41 00:03:51.780 --> 00:03:53.879 Yeah, it's teasing us with that, I think. 42 00:03:53.939 --> 00:03:55.319 She warns her off. 43 00:03:55.379 --> 00:04:09.659 She says he's got nice in his heart in what I thought was actually quite good. gave me unquiet dead vibes for a 2nd with Gwen and, you know, the doctor and the big bad wolf and stuff. 44 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:11.219 And there's a twist within. 45 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:17.279 I like the twist within the twist, there's a twist, the right word, towards the end, where it's just a development, not a twist. 46 00:04:17.339 --> 00:04:22.740 Sorry, someone put putting it out on Twitter the other day, but people always say twist when they actually mean development and now I'm paranoid. 47 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:29.339 But, um, uh, it is revealed or that, that she, um, she doesn't answer. 48 00:04:29.459 --> 00:04:32.339 So the doctor's like, ah, actually, I've come here to find out all about Clara. 49 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:37.319 And then our empath friend pretty much lies to him and doesn't, because she doesn't trust him. 50 00:04:37.379 --> 00:04:38.519 She doesn't think he's trustworthy. 51 00:04:38.579 --> 00:04:46.560 So she just says Clara's just an ordinary girl, which either she's a rubbish empath and is telling the truth or she's a good empath and is lying. 52 00:04:46.620 --> 00:04:48.000 Isn't she telling the truth? 53 00:04:48.060 --> 00:04:48.779 guess. 54 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:57.360 I think I thought she came across like she was telling the truth there, that actually there isn't anything mysterious or unusual about Clara. 55 00:04:57.420 --> 00:05:01.439 It's sort of the destiny that is different. 56 00:05:01.500 --> 00:05:15.060 So, but Clara herself is just an ordinary person, although she's not necessarily written as anyone who's at all ordinary in any way whatsoever, particularly in this episode, but maybe we'll come back to that. 57 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:15.839 Yeah. 58 00:05:15.899 --> 00:05:26.459 I tend to agree that that Emma is telling the truth, that I actually don't think that, um, as far as Clara is concerned, she's anything but an ordinary, ordinary young woman. 59 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:30.779 So yes, we'll, we find it, find out the truth of that later on in the season, of course. 60 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.980 It's the Moffat thing of hiding the solution to the mystery in plain sight. 61 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.339 It turns out that the mystery was what it always had to be. 62 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.040 Missy was always going to be the master. 63 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:50.040 And here we get the solution to the problem that the doctor is trying to solve in this episode, that there's nothing extraordinary about Clara. 64 00:05:50.100 --> 00:05:54.360 She's clever, she's brave, but she isn't anything else. 65 00:05:54.420 --> 00:06:00.660 And the doctor doesn't believe her because he's had the experience of seeing her diet, Christmas and all of that sort of thing. 66 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.240 But as far as Clara herself is concerned. 67 00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:08.759 In fact, this is, is this her 1st episode, is this Jenna's 1st episode? 68 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:10.800 Yes, of course. 69 00:06:10.860 --> 00:06:11.040 Yeah. 70 00:06:11.100 --> 00:06:13.079 Like before even the snowmen, right? 71 00:06:13.139 --> 00:06:14.040 Yes, it is. 72 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.060 Oh, right. 73 00:06:15.060 --> 00:06:17.519 Daleks, obviously. before the snowman. 74 00:06:17.579 --> 00:06:17.939 Yep. 75 00:06:17.939 --> 00:06:20.519 And I think she is really generic here. 76 00:06:20.579 --> 00:06:37.560 I think there's, we said last week, there's a kind of Sarah Janeness to her performance where it's just the plucky young gal who is mostly defined by the actor's performance and she doesn't really have anything by way of backstory here at all. 77 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:42.540 Yeah, I've got it down as like just at this point, and I'm casting my mind back to watching it at this point. 78 00:06:42.660 --> 00:06:50.519 I was getting frustrated that she was just this perfectly companion shaped thing that I didn't have a connection to. 79 00:06:50.519 --> 00:07:01.199 And I was enjoying the mystery at the same time as thinking, I don't know how they're going to wreck on her into being a believable real person, having started out with her being not that. 80 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:03.420 And for me, they never really did. 81 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.360 It never quite, that's why Clara never landed with me. 82 00:07:06.420 --> 00:07:14.100 I think this is looking back from now, because at the time it was like she's going through all the motions of being a perfect companion, but it's not built on anything. 83 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:32.459 And you can explore that, but then it's like a retcon when it gets put in and maybe she's got grandparents, maybe she's posh, maybe she's from Blackpool, because that doesn't matter in terms of what Clara is there to be, that there's an emotional cost to that, I guess, in terms of investment in the character. 84 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:36.180 I must confess, I'm a really lazy Doctor Who fan. 85 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:38.879 And I just wanted her to be. 86 00:07:38.939 --> 00:07:39.959 I just wanted to be a companion. 87 00:07:40.019 --> 00:07:49.740 I just want her to be, I just wanted to be a companion without this sort of crazy mystery that never really, for me, is satisfying. 88 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:52.920 I just, yeah, I just wanted her to be a companion. 89 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:54.899 I just wanted to be Sarah Jane Smith. 90 00:07:54.959 --> 00:08:03.000 So, you know, not literally Sarah Jane Smith, obviously, but to function in that way, so we could just get on with the stories, that's how I felt about it. 91 00:08:03.060 --> 00:08:13.079 I think that we have something about the way that Moffatt approaches companions, which is different from the way that Russell approaches them, which is different from the way the classic series did. 92 00:08:13.139 --> 00:08:23.100 And what happened with Russell was that they were kind of well-rounded TV people. 93 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:30.779 So they weren't really the sort of person that you would actually meet, but they were the sort of person that you would see on TV in other shows. 94 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:37.559 So it was easy to know how they would react and you could do fun things with them because they were sort of very clearly defined. 95 00:08:37.620 --> 00:08:43.860 And then Moffatt wants to do something a bit more high concept with his 1st companion. 96 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:53.159 And so he does that with Amy and really kind of binds the whole doctor's personality with Amy and then suddenly Amy's gone. 97 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:55.679 I think the doctors did a bit of a loose end. 98 00:08:55.740 --> 00:09:08.460 And so you've got what is essentially a classic series companion comes in who's just a person who, you know, is plucky and faces the monsters and helps and wanders off or doesn't wander off last week, actually. 99 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:10.980 And that's really all we have. 100 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:16.139 But the doctor thinks it's a weird, timey, whimey companion that he's got. 101 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.059 He thinks he's got a Moffat style companion. 102 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.500 But in reality, all he's got is just a normal classic series companion. 103 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:28.919 And I think it's telling that Moffatt then dumps that whole idea completely for Bill and she's just a person. 104 00:09:28.980 --> 00:09:31.320 Yeah, exactly. 105 00:09:31.379 --> 00:09:33.720 It's really odd, I find. 106 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:42.360 Chris, she's written very generically, but she's also written really oddly at times. the moment where she says, I'm not happy. 107 00:09:42.419 --> 00:09:56.279 It's like she's never felt anything at all other than happiness in her life, and she's read about feelings, and suddenly she's got this weird, really strange feeling for the 1st time ever, like, oh, what is this? 108 00:09:56.340 --> 00:09:58.080 I don't understand this. 109 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:07.500 And then you've got the cup of tea moment, which is very definitely a Sarah Jane Smith callback where no alcohol or cup of tea is going to solve everything. 110 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:09.179 It's a good murder one. 111 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:09.899 Exactly. 112 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:19.559 You know, and it's just that trying to make her ordinary, but also just it doesn't quite work because the writing is just all over the place for her. 113 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:21.480 You're dead right. 114 00:10:21.539 --> 00:10:27.419 There's moments where they feel like there's then Steed and Mrs. Peel vibe to it, sort of junior. 115 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:30.419 And then it's like, oh, are they flirting? 116 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:38.639 And that plays it nicely. the bit at the end where he puts his arm around her and then suddenly pulls away, but it's like also, will they, won't they? 117 00:10:38.700 --> 00:10:44.639 has been done a lot in Doctor Who, by this point, and I'm quite happy for it to just be they won't and just get on with the stories. 118 00:10:44.700 --> 00:10:48.059 But, but they, but they work with it and they're trying to. 119 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:52.860 I read somewhere that they, the original script, they tone the way it was originally written. 120 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:58.500 They said that Clara seemed too bitchy, and so they toned that down to make her less so. 121 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:10.559 Deal Cross himself said that he'd turn that down because he'd only based it on her appearance in asylum, where she's much more sort of prickly, I guess, or, you know, Quippy. 122 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:16.019 I mean, the way she, I mean, she just functions like an ordinary companion, doesn't she, in the stories? 123 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.940 And she knows she's a companion, doesn't she? 124 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.139 Yeah, that's the thing. 125 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:32.759 It's a very knowing performance and I think that's what sort of almost alienates you from her because it's like she knows almost that she's in a TV show and they're visiting a haunted house and all the tropes are going to be there. 126 00:11:32.820 --> 00:11:50.460 We've got a thundery, rainy evening for a start, right from the beginning, right through to the morning where the sun comes back out, and it's, it's exactly what you'd expect, and she is performing in exactly the way you'd expect, and she knows she's performing in exactly the way. 127 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:57.000 I don't know if that's from Jenna Coleman or from the script, but it doesn't always come across as very likeable. 128 00:11:57.299 --> 00:11:59.399 I think it's the script. 129 00:11:59.460 --> 00:12:09.659 I mean, some of the dialogue she's saddled with, it's, um, yeah, you can see very quickly they work out that's not going to work for the rest of the season if we keep, keep giving her words like that. 130 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:18.659 I mean, I did write one down, if you'll indulge me, where she says, whiskey is the 11th most disgusting thing ever invented. 131 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.600 I mean, who says, who says that? 132 00:12:21.659 --> 00:12:23.460 Not being a whiskey drinker. 133 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.299 I don't know, but I'll take a word on it, that's for sure. 134 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.360 Yeah, and it's funny because you can see it's a note. 135 00:12:30.419 --> 00:12:34.919 It almost okay. was made to think she's the sort of person who has lists of things like that. 136 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:37.919 That would be a quirk, that would be an interesting quirk. 137 00:12:37.980 --> 00:12:39.899 And it's just forgotten. 138 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:47.039 It's a glimpse of a real odd person, which would be interesting, except it nothing hangs on it. 139 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:49.080 And she hates Carlisle. 140 00:12:49.139 --> 00:12:50.460 I think the Carlisle joke. 141 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:56.759 Oh, yes, Paul Mark McManus, friend of the podcast, who lives in Carlisle. felt for him there. 142 00:12:57.659 --> 00:13:00.539 That's a bit desperate, that line. 143 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:06.419 That's a, let's just insert place name here for, because we want a punchline for what's the opposite of place. 144 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:09.480 I had literally no idea what that could possibly mean. 145 00:13:09.539 --> 00:13:13.200 And yeah, I remember loads of online debate about it. 146 00:13:13.259 --> 00:13:15.240 Does everyone in the UK hate Carlisle? 147 00:13:15.299 --> 00:13:16.500 No, not really. 148 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:21.960 It's quite near Blackpool, and she's from Blackpool, so I guess they were going for a local rivalry. 149 00:13:22.019 --> 00:13:30.600 I have not that near, an hour and a half away, but it's babies ever going for a regional rivalry thing, like they do with Dan from Liverpool slagging off Manchester. 150 00:13:30.659 --> 00:13:36.960 I just remember that joke being done much better with a lead stamp, the big Leeds stamp, you know. 151 00:13:39.659 --> 00:13:55.620 Look, I mean, Moffatt wants to write sitcom characters because he writes comedy dialogue and he wants characters to be witty and so he does throw jokes in and he will sometimes let character slide for the sake of a joke. 152 00:13:55.679 --> 00:14:01.620 And I don't know that that's always a bad instinct to give into. 153 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:04.019 Sometimes I think the line is sort of worth it. 154 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:15.899 But, you know, this is this is Neil Cross's 1st script for the show and he is asked to do Rings of Ackerton on the strength of this, I think. 155 00:14:15.899 --> 00:14:17.759 Obviously, they haven't shot that yet. 156 00:14:17.820 --> 00:14:31.200 And I don't know that either of his scripts is particularly successful despite the fact that he is a very successful and highly regarded TV writer. 157 00:14:31.259 --> 00:14:31.919 Is that fair? 158 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:47.100 I think that's fair because, I mean, I think I've watched it 4 times, and when the closer you look, um, the more the shortcomings in the dialogue and the writing are revealed. 159 00:14:47.159 --> 00:15:02.460 I mean, one of the strengths of the episode is that it's a chamber piece and that this small ensemble cast, the actors, it's the casting and the way it's directed that really lift it up from perhaps possibly a mediocre script, I think. 160 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:06.899 I mean, the actors are just doing a fantastic job and they all come together brilliantly in it. 161 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:13.980 And the way it's been shot and edited, the way it's lit, particularly, both in the house, but also in the pocket universe forest. 162 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.379 I just think that's what really makes this episode a success. 163 00:15:16.620 --> 00:15:39.120 Yeah, I think, um, Doug Gray Scott and Jessica Rain are doing a lot of heavy lifting to bring something to their characters that aren't there on the page, and they are doing a lot of work sort of in their body language, particularly when they're in the scenes together, um, and they're playing it very close, and you can see the tension in it. 164 00:15:39.179 --> 00:15:41.399 There isn't necessarily there in the script. 165 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:42.840 I think they're doing great work there. 166 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:52.139 Yeah, she's and Jessica Rain is on my list of future doctors and was, in this episode, I did kind of end up wishing that she, she was the companion. 167 00:15:52.200 --> 00:16:00.360 She just has that, she's got an edge to her and obviously her verity Lambert is a spectacular creation a few years after this. 168 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:09.779 But yet, so, and this, so Hyde and Rings are my favourite, this is my favourite episode of this season, and Rings is my least favourite. 169 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:18.539 So I'm not, I can't make a complete even judgement on the scripting in that sense because they pressed different buttons in different ways. 170 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.259 But this definitely, I think this is my favourite next time trailer of the season. 171 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:29.759 I'll tell you that, at the end of Cold War, when this, like, we're in a haunted house next week, there's wood panelling, there's candles, it's got a sapphire and steel vibe. 172 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:41.399 I think I'd just done a sapphire and steel rewatch, and that got me really stoked for this episode, and it didn't blow me away entirely on landing, but it still, because we don't hadn't had a proper haunted house for a while. 173 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.159 Is this New Who's 1st haunted house? 174 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:45.840 I'm forgetting something massive, aren't I? 175 00:16:45.899 --> 00:16:49.740 No, we had one last year, didn't we? 176 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:54.120 Is the council estate in um night terrors of haunted house? 177 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:55.919 And certainly the haunted house. 178 00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:57.720 The dolls house is a haunted house. 179 00:16:57.779 --> 00:16:59.039 Yeah, of course, yeah. 180 00:16:59.100 --> 00:16:59.399 Yeah. 181 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.860 I've erased that from my memory, Nathan. 182 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:03.000 I don't know what you're talking about. 183 00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:03.899 Oh, you are on that one. 184 00:17:04.500 --> 00:17:06.180 That's right. 185 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:15.839 Also the children's home in day of the moon as well with the thunder and yeah. 186 00:17:15.900 --> 00:17:21.420 So this is, but this is our 1st sort of retro straight down the line. 187 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:27.420 It's literally an old big old haunted house in the countryside one for a long time and it's nice to have them running with that. 188 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:35.700 The, um, the, the lightning sound effect seemed a bit, was it like being deliberately cheesy? 189 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:37.680 I'm not sure it is the same one off that. 190 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:50.700 There's a there was a sound effect, LP from the BBC, real death and horror sound effects, and I used it in school plays when I was a teenager, and it would still, and I recognised that lightning bolt and that wolf howl. 191 00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:57.480 And then it is not that lightning bolt in this one, but it is right through any BBC thing up to the 90s. 192 00:17:57.539 --> 00:18:01.859 It's the same wolf howl and the same clap of thunder that was on this record that came out in the 60s. 193 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:02.400 It's amazing. 194 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:07.619 The standard issue, BBC sound effects record that they've gone to for the... 195 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:09.660 Yeah, but no, but with this one they have. 196 00:18:09.660 --> 00:18:11.099 Maybe because we're in HD now. 197 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:12.420 But it did look, yeah. 198 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.240 We don't see a lightning bolt going across the sky. 199 00:18:15.299 --> 00:18:23.880 We just see the outside of the house with a light flashing on it, which is a bit, has it gone a bit more with that, but I'm, but I still, I'm, I'm loving the vibe. 200 00:18:23.940 --> 00:18:24.599 I'm loving the vibe. 201 00:18:24.779 --> 00:18:29.039 I get real image of the Fendal vibes from it. 202 00:18:29.099 --> 00:18:45.720 And one of the things that I enjoyed watching it this time was seeing something that you could easily imagine them doing in the 70s on Doctor Who, but with, you know, decent lighting and a, you know, expanded budget and things like that. 203 00:18:45.779 --> 00:18:50.220 And I think it's deliberately set in 1976 for that reason. 204 00:18:50.279 --> 00:19:00.839 And it also has the kind of tension killing trip to the TARDIS in episode three. you know, in both stories. 205 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:12.059 And like I have to say that I don't object that much to that sequence, but it is odd. 206 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:28.380 We complained with curse of the black spot, among other things, that the doctor and Captain Avery just head off to the TARDIS to do some exposition and kind of low-level character work when we're expecting piratry to be going on. 207 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:37.980 And I do think it's a kind of a shame that we lose the haunted house for just, you know, appearing over and over and again in the same place for some reason. 208 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:39.180 It is odd. 209 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:43.319 Well, I can see why they put that into the episode. 210 00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:48.359 I think because there's something really fundamental missing in the haunted house sequences. 211 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:53.579 And that's the fact that the doctor doesn't go and check out a well stocked larder with cheese and wine. 212 00:19:54.660 --> 00:19:56.880 And there isn't an old lady. 213 00:19:56.940 --> 00:19:58.140 We need a witchy old lady. 214 00:19:58.200 --> 00:19:59.460 That's the one. 215 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.279 Maybe she's in charge of stocking the larder with the wine, yeah. 216 00:20:02.339 --> 00:20:04.319 Well, in fact, we don't have a ghost. 217 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:13.799 Like, it is a haunted house where there's no ghost and the ghost is in fact from the future rather than from the past and is someone who's experiencing distress, but hasn't actually died. 218 00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:29.039 So I think that the episode sort of leans into the haunted house tropes and kind of images as much as possible in order to sell that surprise, that contrast turns out it's not a ghost after all. 219 00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:37.380 So it has to be super ghosty with, you know, writing on the wall in cold spots and a mysterious hand and all of that sort of thing. 220 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.119 How did she do the help me? 221 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:42.000 Yeah, she actually doesn't that up. 222 00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:46.859 This is not the 1st time that that sort of thing has happened to Doctor Who. 223 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:48.359 We just rolling with it. 224 00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:50.099 Ghost reasons. 225 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:51.000 Ghost. 226 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:51.720 Ghost. 227 00:20:51.779 --> 00:20:57.960 Yeah, but even more powerful than space reasons are usually explained by space reasons, very hastily at the end of episode four. 228 00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:13.319 Shall we talk about Interstellar? 229 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.420 The Christopher Nolan film? 230 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:16.619 Oh, yes, okay, yeah. 231 00:21:16.740 --> 00:21:17.759 Go for it. 232 00:21:17.819 --> 00:21:27.059 Because I think this is where this episode falls down, and that's the idea that time in the pocket universe operates at a different speed to our universe. 233 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:35.160 And I think the doctor says that 3 minutes in the pocket universe equates to several 100000 years. in our universe. 234 00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:55.140 And yet when he goes in there and he, he rescues Hiller, where I, I mean, after rewatching it, I guess they're there for not more than about 3 minutes, but, um, it feels like he's there for a whole lot longer and yet time in our universe doesn't really change at all. 235 00:21:56.700 --> 00:22:00.180 Yes, I think the... 236 00:22:00.180 --> 00:22:02.339 Yes, I think there's something about the narrative. 237 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:03.180 Do you know what I mean? 238 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:10.140 once we have the doctor there while all of our other characters are somewhere else, we can't do that anymore. 239 00:22:10.259 --> 00:22:24.240 And he will actually, and Moffatt will successfully do something similar in world enough in time where he has one character experiencing time at a different rate from everyone else in a way that just about works. 240 00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:31.799 But I sort of understood that her whole experience was like 3 minutes, but she seems to have been there at the beginning. 241 00:22:31.859 --> 00:22:33.059 Oh, I guess that's, you know. 242 00:22:33.420 --> 00:22:36.059 Yeah, because otherwise, at the end, she'd be like, oh, it's no big deal, actually. 243 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:36.839 I was only there for 2 minutes. 244 00:22:36.900 --> 00:22:37.980 I mean, thanks for the rest of me. 245 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.640 Honestly, I've spent longer in a lift, you know. 246 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:46.619 Quite pinned down what her experience. 247 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:48.599 Yeah. 248 00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:51.299 And there's a lot of realisation moments. 249 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:52.140 Of course. 250 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:53.460 I've been such a fool. 251 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:55.740 It's obviously not the monster's not trying to eat everybody. 252 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:58.019 It's just in love because that's the theme of this episode. 253 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:00.779 The doctor just realises that, doesn't it? 254 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:08.039 Which, again, that's what happens in this show a lot, but it's always a bit risky when you try to just carry it. in that way. 255 00:23:08.099 --> 00:23:10.200 Or have I missed an egg right there though? 256 00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:11.099 Why is it there? 257 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:12.720 It's really odd, isn't it? 258 00:23:12.779 --> 00:23:13.920 Because we don't resolve it either. 259 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:24.180 Like, it's kind of like that new plot thing gets introduced right at the end after everything else is resolved, and then it doesn't get resolved itself. 260 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:25.920 We just stop midway through. 261 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:27.900 And I liked that ending. 262 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:30.359 I think more Doctor Who should end like that. 263 00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:36.119 I don't think it should be, you know, the usual thing where we don't say goodbye and the TARDIS disappears or whatever. 264 00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:38.400 I quite like it finishing in the middle of the action. 265 00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:42.779 It's a bit like I'm a bit like the end of Pirate Planet episode four. 266 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.759 Oh, I'd be like, shock as well. 267 00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:49.019 Beryl Reeds floating around in an escape pod. 268 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.359 It's just like, no, we'll get back there. 269 00:23:53.339 --> 00:24:02.220 I'm just, I guess I'm just cold of heart because I just don't, I just don't know why it's there and it undermines the rest of the episode, really. 270 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:07.380 And I just, um, it just reminded me of Time Heist, of course, which is to come. 271 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:15.119 I'm surprised it didn't cut to an image of the monsters walking off into the distance holding claws or whatever it is they'd hold. 272 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.000 Well, they only made one, I think would be the answer to that. 273 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:36.599 Well, yeah, and I mean, I've probably whined before about romance being the last thing I want in Doctor Who, because it's everywhere, and it's not, but, and so the reason I, I, I, one of the things I do, I like about this story, is it, it does stuff that normally annoys me, but it doesn't annoy me as much as it normally does because of a lot of the other stuff that it's coming in with. 274 00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:40.799 Uh, does, does, does carry it in a way that it sometimes doesn't. 275 00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:51.299 And yeah, and I keep going back to remembering at this point, yeah, the doctor's awareness of the sexiness of Clara is just something that's handled. 276 00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:55.259 I mean, very differently to the same thing with Amy. 277 00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:28.380 But it's still, it's always skirting a difficult area when, and the idea that Emma is in sort of almost inevitably in love with the professor who she looks up to, it's a bit of a, I don't know, that, that an assistant will always, it's, so Sherlock is going on at the same time as this, obviously, and I'm already annoyed at this point by the way Sherlock Scott, the simpering woman who's in love with him, in the same way that we later get Osgood, who's in in love and all klutzsy around the doctor. 278 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:32.700 And that's a real motif of these 2 shows that was getting on my nerd at this point. 279 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:32.940 Sorry. 280 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:39.539 And I started out, this was, this was me listing things I like about this story and now I've gone off on one, which is not, and it's not, it's not a main line of it. 281 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.099 It's just, but it is a thread through it. 282 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:41.759 Yeah. 283 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:48.180 I actually like the way that that romance is resolved because there is all this kind of slightly irritating. 284 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:49.740 Will they, won't they, about it? 285 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:56.700 And then the doctor just comes in and says, oh, he's healer, she's your great, great, great, great, great, great. that's both of you, right? 286 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.880 So go off and make it. you know. 287 00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:01.859 Yeah, and he lands the joke. 288 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.500 That's the thing, that's that's one of those things that's on a knife edge. 289 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.980 Matt Smith's, you know, but you already knew that. 290 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:08.819 Oh, you didn't? 291 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:14.700 That little moment really works and does it very nicely, which if that had just not been quite like that. 292 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.740 It could have been a big old clunk, I think. 293 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.380 Yeah, that's his doctor in a nutshell, isn't it? 294 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.440 That's the kind of thing he does and does brilliantly. 295 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:38.339 I'm getting a real kind of, I'm getting a real sense that Matt's performance is starting to run out at this point. 296 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:42.839 And there's a lot of stuff that I still like, like a lot of stuff. 297 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:45.960 I love his stupid reaction with his hands. 298 00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:49.859 You know, where Clara says, you don't need to hold my hand. 299 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:55.500 And then he kind of looks at his hands and then goes, I'm not holding your hand and then he kind of waves him about and stuff. 300 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.539 And like, I think that's really funny. 301 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:06.000 I think there's still some really funny physical awkwardness, but he's not surprising me with what he's doing quite so much anymore. 302 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:19.740 And yeah, it is that thing where they start to write crazy Matt Smith things for Matt Smith to do instead of writing things and then letting Matt Smith do Matt Smith things with them. 303 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:31.740 And I'm also just getting a kind of pertwe in series 11 kind of feel where all his playmates are gone and now he's just kind of waiting for the 50th to happen. 304 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.440 Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. 305 00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:40.859 I think this is where we get those criticisms of Matt coming in, where he's just doing it by the numbers. 306 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.079 He's a quirky doctor. 307 00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:46.980 He's being written as quirky and he does his stick. 308 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.619 So he does the spinning around on the spot. 309 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:51.839 He does the hands waving all over the place. 310 00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:53.099 He does that. 311 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:59.579 I'm a bit weird. and this is all a bit strange and kooky when he's on the mysterious other time. 312 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:00.960 All of those things. 313 00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:03.240 We've seen him do better before. 314 00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:06.660 It's like he's not quite engaged with the material here. 315 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:14.700 And I do wonder whether he's uneasy because he's just, this is the 1st one without Matt and Karen. other than the Christmas specials. 316 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:16.859 He's got a new companion in. 317 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.559 Maybe he doesn't know what the dynamic is going to be. 318 00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:22.440 And if they're going to work together well. 319 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:36.000 And I think there's a feeling of trepidation in a lot of the scenes with the doctor and Clara, where neither of the 2 of them quite know how to play with each other, if you see what I mean, and how the scenes are going to go and how to do this yet. 320 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:53.640 Yeah, I mean, I think the, the, um, the journey of the 11th doctor is, is so closely linked to that of uh, the ponds, or more specifically Amy, that when Amy and Rory leave, I think his emotional arc is done. 321 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:55.980 I mean, the 11th doctor is done. 322 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:57.599 He's ready. 323 00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:59.700 And I totally agree with you, Nathan. 324 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:08.339 It feels like 7A is Pertweis season 10 and 7B is season 11, for sure. 325 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:27.960 It's almost as if he's trying to create an imaginative backstory for Clara because all there is is she's someone he met, you know, whereas he was his previous companion's imaginary childhood friend and he just doesn't have that role. 326 00:29:28.019 --> 00:29:31.799 And later on it'll get bigger and whatever and then we'll forget it and do something else. 327 00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:42.119 But there is something a little bit sort of clutching at straws that he's doing that is reflected in where we are with the show right now, I think. 328 00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:43.259 Yep. 329 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:47.819 And yet you're absolutely right, Nathan, there are moments of brilliance. 330 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:52.680 The moment I'd noted down was, you were the only mystery worth solving. 331 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:57.180 And she plays it with such almost sadness. 332 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:05.579 But also, is it that Clara is the mystery worth solving, or is it the human race is the mystery worth solving, and you don't know. 333 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:09.119 But he plays that sort of nicely enigmatically. 334 00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:14.940 Yeah, it's clear that Clara takes it one way and that we as the audience take it a different way. 335 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:20.819 And it is the 11th doctor lying to his companions about why they're there. 336 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:27.900 You know, Amy's there in series 5 because of the crack in her wall in series 6. 337 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.759 He doesn't tell her that she's pregnant. 338 00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:40.200 He doesn't say why he went to the gangers factory, that weird factory in the monastery. going there to find out about gangers because he already knows Amy is one. 339 00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:48.359 And then here, you know, he's come to see Emma, not the haunted house because he wants to know who Clara is. 340 00:30:48.420 --> 00:31:04.140 And that consistent thing about Matt is where he seems really jolly and lovely, but he's actually a bit of a liar and a bit manipulative in a way that isn't reflected in his performance, particularly. 341 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.119 He never seems that he's being devious. 342 00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:08.460 I kind of like that. 343 00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:18.299 And I have a thing where I want my doctors to be a bit unlikeable and Matt just gets there, I think. 344 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.099 But he also does the alien doctor really brilliantly. 345 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:28.920 He still manages to really capture that quality of the 11th doctor. 346 00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:30.900 I mean, when Emma says, will it hurt? 347 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:36.359 And he says, no, yes, probably a bit, well, quite a lot, et cetera. 348 00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:39.900 You know, I just, I just think that's great, the way he plays that. 349 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.220 Yeah, he doesn't overdo it. 350 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:41.759 You're right. 351 00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:48.839 In amongst the Matt's silliness, there are still those sort of essential length doctor qualities there, which is great to see. 352 00:31:49.319 --> 00:32:00.839 I guess because there's no villain, he doesn't get to do angry and Matt angry is my absolutely favourite thing. because you never know how he's going to do it and sometimes he does it just remarkably well. 353 00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:06.359 But this is an episode with no villain and turns out, no threat. 354 00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:08.759 That's good, I guess. 355 00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:09.599 Is that good? 356 00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:11.039 I think that's probably good. 357 00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:11.880 It's different. 358 00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:12.960 Yeah, it's true, yeah, yeah. 359 00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:14.460 Yeah, we don't want to be that predictable. 360 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:14.940 Yeah, yeah. 361 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:16.259 It's nice for a change. 362 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:17.759 I guess so. 363 00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:18.839 Yeah. 364 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.160 But yeah. 365 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:24.240 If there was just an old witch lady living in a house next door. 366 00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:26.339 That was just elevated for you. 367 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.720 Then we're in the... 368 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.400 Yeah, then wouldn't be tough here. 369 00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:36.180 What do we think about Clara's relationship with the TARDIS, which obviously is going to be explored a lot more next week, but this one. 370 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.019 The thing with the TARDIS suddenly doing talking to her. 371 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:41.339 I was a little bit... 372 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.880 In fact, I remember the roller coaster. why does that suddenly come from? 373 00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:46.440 How can I companion? 374 00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:47.460 Bang on the TARDIS door? 375 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.339 and then the TARDIS suddenly starts talking to them after all these years? 376 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:50.880 I hate that. 377 00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:59.039 And then 2 seconds later, she's in the TARDIS and flying, and the way that it's shot, with her just clinging onto a thing, and it's all, everything's just spinning around. 378 00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:00.599 I was like, okay, no, I like this now. 379 00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:02.039 That's way of doing that. 380 00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:13.019 So we have had the TARDIS's voice interface before in Let's Kill Hitler. and it appears as little Caitlin Blackwood. 381 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.859 Like after trying a few other recent new series companions on. 382 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:18.359 Yes, of course, I'd forgotten that. 383 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:19.380 And we have had that before. 384 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:33.119 And there is that thing, there is something about Clara's character where the person that she loves and trusts is her and that's like a dig at her and it turns out that's kind of where we end up going with a character, I think. 385 00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:35.519 So that actually works quite well. 386 00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:37.140 Yes it does. 387 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.140 Somehow I have forgotten that part of Let's kill Hitler completely. 388 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:40.920 Okay, yeah. 389 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:43.980 I do like let me in, you grumpy old cow. 390 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:45.359 Yeah, yes. 391 00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:48.599 That's a thing that we've had before too, isn't it? 392 00:33:48.660 --> 00:34:00.299 The TARDIS kind of got stressed about Jack because Jack had been sort of rendered a fixed point in time or something by Rose at the end of series one. 393 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:10.679 And so obviously the Tartars can sense what's going to happen to Clara in the finale of this of this season, I guess. 394 00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:13.980 And yeah, because she's not a normal person, is she? 395 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.119 I mean, she's sort of... 396 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.940 She is now, but she won't be later. 397 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:26.940 And I mean, that's actually the, you know, what I think is the best, most satisfying arc in new series, Doctor Who is series 3. 398 00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:40.440 And it is just because John Sim gets in the TARDIS in episode 11 and then travels back in time to the end of series 2 and then starts appearing in all of the episodes sort of. 399 00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:41.880 And I think that's really great. 400 00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:45.300 It's a low hanging fruit when you've got a time machine in the show. 401 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.260 You can do that sort of quite easily, and I think that works really well. 402 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.780 So I don't I kind of don't mind this. 403 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:57.900 I like the idea that even though we are given the answer to the mystery by Emma. 404 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:02.039 There is still something going on that we aren't aware of. 405 00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:06.239 And of course, we've seen Asylum of Daleks and the snowmen as well. 406 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:24.539 So, can we talk about Village of the Angels? 407 00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:36.719 And you might wonder about this, but we've got a November setting in a spooky kind of haunted house where they're doing experiments into the unknown. 408 00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:42.840 We've got a war hero who's a bit lost and hasn't found his place in the world. 409 00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:52.679 We've got using someone's odd psychic powers to do these experiments and a village on the edge of the world. 410 00:35:53.039 --> 00:36:01.800 Oh, yeah, I hadn't thought about that cliff thing that surrounds the pocket universe is also in Village of the Angels. 411 00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:05.159 Oh, you're talking you're talking a chibnil story, aren't you? 412 00:36:05.219 --> 00:36:06.059 That's right. 413 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:06.840 I am. 414 00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:07.139 Yeah. 415 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.420 It's a complete remix of this adventure that I hadn't noticed until I watched Hyde again. 416 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.679 I think Angels does it better, but because it's because it's got a threat. 417 00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:18.719 I think it probably does, actually. 418 00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:19.619 Because it's got more of a threat. 419 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:20.340 The threat is real. 420 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:28.500 Yeah, other than, I mean, the biggest threat in this, ultimately, is that the doctor might go on to sing the racist versus of let's do it, which fortunately he doesn't do. 421 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:36.599 We just, we just get the nice jelly one before he starts listing all the ethnicities of the world in the different ways in which they do it, which is not Cold Porter's finest hour. 422 00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:38.159 Yeah. 423 00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:38.880 No. 424 00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:43.260 We just get as far as fleas and I think it's the time to stop right there. 425 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:53.460 Yeah, I mean, I think Village of the Angels is a problem because it doesn't end up being a story because it has that cliffhanger and then sort of never comes back from it. 426 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.760 And so it's not a story that has any kind of resolution. 427 00:36:56.820 --> 00:36:58.260 I think within flux. 428 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.800 It's one of the 2 strongest episodes, I think. 429 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:17.699 But I guess once we've done Hyde, there's nothing particularly surprising in Village of the Angels, although it does get some points for having the psychometrograph thing draw an angel. 430 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:18.840 I thought that was pretty great. 431 00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:23.400 Squiggly lines, basically. things doing squiggly lines in the past. 432 00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:29.280 And it's showing it, and this is the heritage of the stone tape and the potential equator map. 433 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:36.300 Yes, crossover, which was in early drafts before copyright issues were pointed out, I think. 434 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.320 Yeah, and Nigel Neal famously hated Doctor Who. 435 00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:43.320 So there's no way his estate would ever give them... 436 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:46.559 The character of Koitsamass, wouldn't they? 437 00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:49.860 Doctor Who's about frightening children. 438 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.440 He wants to write about, he wants to unsettle adults. 439 00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:53.760 I think is the quote. 440 00:37:53.820 --> 00:38:01.380 Yeah, I think, like Xander has this thing about how, basically, Quatumass is a bit reactionary. 441 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:10.800 You know, the that it's sort of foreigners and young people and stuff where the threat is located and Doctor Who is the opposite of that. 442 00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:16.440 And so perhaps it's just as well that Professor Quademass isn't in this one. 443 00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:18.900 Imagine him discovering that there's no threat. 444 00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:21.300 Nothing to see here. 445 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.340 In our head cannons. 446 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.679 Where do the monsters that aren't really monsters end up? 447 00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:32.400 Because, yeah, if this was Quaitamas, It would turn out that they were actually infesting humanity since the dawn of time and we'd all explode or something. 448 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.539 I think the doctor takes them to the planet of Kolkron again. 449 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.719 Yeah, everyone's there. 450 00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:41.760 Everyone says a big party going on. 451 00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:44.099 Yeah, yeah. 452 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.519 And the Grand Serpent's on Culcacron homes. absolutely. 453 00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:49.440 Not many people know that. 454 00:38:49.500 --> 00:39:00.179 If it was the stone tape, then that means Jessica Rain is playing Jane Asher's character from the stone tape, and Jane Asher, of course, is a canonical Susan Foreman from the BBC's, whatever happened to Susan Foreman. 455 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:08.519 So there's a link there to, I like the idea of the actress who played Verity Lambert playing a character who's inspired by a character who was played by an actress. 456 00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:11.699 Oh, sorry, I lost, yeah, something like that, right? 457 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.619 I just like that. 458 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.539 She's Sarah Jane's replacement in whatever happened to she is. 459 00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:23.639 Well, it's basically an infinite universe. 460 00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:24.900 She is such a good actress. 461 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:25.320 Yeah. 462 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.820 And cake decorator too, which, I mean, what more could you want? 463 00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.099 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week. 464 00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:08.340 We'll be back next week to learn a valuable moral lesson about not convincing your little brother he's a robot or something in journey to the centre of the TARDIS. 465 00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:28.500 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook, at FTE Podcast on Twitter, and on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody Interterterra, Maximum Power, and Untitled Star Trek Project. 466 00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:32.159 Corey, where can people find you? 467 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.340 I don't have a Twitter account. 468 00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:41.400 I must be the only one here who doesn't have one, but you can find me on Instagram at McMahon Corey. 469 00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:43.320 And Pete, where can people find you? 470 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:49.440 I'm currently Severity Lambert, which has suddenly become my, how was that available? 471 00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:52.320 Nobody, that's the ultimate drag name on Twitter. 472 00:40:52.380 --> 00:40:56.400 And I have a habit of popping up on podcasts, I'm afraid. 473 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:03.360 Which will very soon be the new series of maximum power, a Blake 7 podcast of which you may have heard. 474 00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:06.179 And Si, where can people find you? 475 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:11.159 You can find me on Twitter, I'm at Psy underscore Heart. 476 00:41:11.219 --> 00:41:17.639 And you can also hear me on the new series of Maximum Power and many other Doctor Who podcasts. 477 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:24.480 Until next time, remember that I'm still a grown up and there's actually no need to keep holding my hand. 478 00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:26.159 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 479 00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:27.300 Good night. 480 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.559 Good night. 481 00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:29.340 Bye bye. 482 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:38.400 That was Flightthrough Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Siheart, Pete Lambert, and Corey McMahon. 483 00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:40.500 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 484 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:46.800 This episode, Ghost Reasons, was recorded on the 12th of June 2022 and released on the 25th of September. 485 00:41:47.340 --> 00:41:53.579 Most people don't know this, but many of Terry Nation scripts also had romantic endings that were changed in editing. 486 00:41:53.639 --> 00:42:06.780 Imagine if we'd seen Android Sarah and Android Harry plugging in together, Battan and Severn walking off hand in hand into a radioactive sunset, or Susan staying behind on Earth with someone she actually had sexual chemistry with. 487 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.480 That could be an owl. 488 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.059 I've killed the podcast. 489 00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:18.599 Absolutely ultimate incoherent. 490 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.880 Just go out on Jane Asher and her cake. 491 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.980 It's an incoherent ramble that could break any podcast. 492 00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:37.559 That thing, in that Sarah Jane, in the in the Sarah Jane Adventures thing, kind of, she's a villain because she's replaced Sarah Jane, and, you know, she's made a choice, and she's the choice is for her to live in Sarah Jane to die, and so she's bad. 493 00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:41.639 But there's that moment where she just says, it's my birthday. 494 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.679 And I just... 495 00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:45.840 It's so heartbreaking. 496 00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:47.219 She's so good. 497 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:52.980 And Sarah says, when Sarah says you weren't meant to live, and she's like, well, do you mean I wasn't meant to live? 498 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.079 It's like, that's, yeah, yeah. 499 00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:55.980 Yeah. 500 00:42:56.460 --> 00:43:00.659 It's all of that time book too, which I really hate. 501 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:05.820 You know, that we have a moral responsibility to ensure that time goes the way that it goes. 502 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:13.619 It's just like the most miserable, centrist, you know, like... 503 00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:14.639 They just quote. 504 00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:17.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 505 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:18.239 That's it. 506 00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:19.800 Oh, dear. 507 00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:35.940 It's the one thing about Rosa that I don't like is that um, is that the doctor doesn't plant a bomb in the Alabama State House and then just give the governor one chance and then he says no and then he gets the shit blown out of it. 508 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.059 That would be the other one. would improve that episode. 509 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.760 Yeah, of course, could at least do a happiness patrol and murder his pet. 510 00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:43.079 That would be the next best. 511 00:43:43.619 --> 00:43:45.179 Yeah, yeah. 512 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:46.739 He gets to find his dog. 513 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.300 Oh no, we can't do that. 514 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:57.360 I'm still upset about Mark of the Rani and obviously 7000000000 dogs at the end of Flux.