WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 13:47:01 1 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.780 Hello, dear listen, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:44.039 The only Doctor Who podcast, still annoyed about John Pertwee's 3 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:47.399 complete inability to correctly pronounce the name Metabolus 3. 4 00:00:47.579 --> 00:00:49.079 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:50.159 I'm Corey. 6 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:51.119 I'm Pete. 7 00:00:51.179 --> 00:00:52.380 And I'm sorry. 8 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:56.280 Well, nothing's more terrifying than love, and this week we've got 9 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:57.659 it in spades. 10 00:00:57.719 --> 00:00:58.679 Alec loves Emma. 11 00:00:58.740 --> 00:01:02.159 Clara and the doctor need one another and the crooked man wants to 12 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:05.700 do unspeakable things to the crooked lady immediately after this 13 00:01:05.700 --> 00:01:06.959 week's credits role. 14 00:01:07.019 --> 00:01:11.459 So the only question left to answer is do we love this season's 15 00:01:11.459 --> 00:01:13.620 haunted house episode, hide. 16 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.780 So can someone answer this question for me? 17 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:27.000 Why is it called hide? 18 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:32.760 That is the bigger question than Doctor Who, which the season goes 19 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:33.540 on and on about. 20 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:39.060 Because you can't run, because you've got a thick one. 21 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:40.260 I don't know. 22 00:01:40.500 --> 00:01:46.620 So, yeah, so firstly, is it a verb or is it the noun meaning the 23 00:01:46.620 --> 00:01:47.819 skin of an animal? 24 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:48.959 I guess that's probably it. 25 00:01:49.019 --> 00:01:52.500 But there's no one to hide from because it turns out everyone's 26 00:01:52.500 --> 00:01:52.799 lovely. 27 00:01:52.859 --> 00:01:55.379 Maybe you can't hide from love. 28 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.280 There we go. you old romantic Pete. 29 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:03.299 Do you know, I actually think you're pretty close to the market 30 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:03.540 Pete. 31 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.959 I think this is about people who are hiding from their feelings 32 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:08.939 and hiding from themselves, I think. 33 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:13.500 I mean, Alec, I think, is hiding from himself and his past and 34 00:02:13.500 --> 00:02:15.719 what happened during the war. 35 00:02:15.780 --> 00:02:19.080 So I think that's where for me, the title rests. 36 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:25.979 I think there's that moment too, where Emma very, very nearly gets 37 00:02:25.979 --> 00:02:30.419 Alec to admit that he has feelings for her or something. 38 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.840 Like there's that bit where she moves her hand towards him. 39 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:37.080 And then when he doesn't react, she has to kind of withdraw it in 40 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.960 this embarrassed way and we're all sort of super awkward for a 41 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:40.199 moment. 42 00:02:40.259 --> 00:02:41.939 Maybe that's it. 43 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.020 Maybe it is about hiding your feelings. 44 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.259 It's, it's odd. 45 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.819 There is something going on here, I think, but I just am not sure 46 00:02:53.819 --> 00:02:55.020 how clear it is. 47 00:02:56.699 --> 00:02:59.520 It seems to me that you've got a few couples. 48 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:05.039 You have Alec and Emma, you have the doctor and Clara, who have 49 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:13.680 sort of secrets from each other, and you have the strange 2 aliens 50 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.900 that we discover were in love all along. 51 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.960 But I'm not sure that we go anywhere with it. 52 00:03:19.020 --> 00:03:20.699 It does seem to be kind of resonant. 53 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.280 It does tie the whole thing together a bit. 54 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.400 But I don't know whether it says anything in particular. 55 00:03:26.819 --> 00:03:31.500 Is the story saying that there's a parallel between Emma and Alec 56 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:33.479 and the doctor and Clara? 57 00:03:33.539 --> 00:03:38.099 And if that is the case, I'm not sure it quite works, I think. 58 00:03:38.099 --> 00:03:43.680 There's just the slightest hint when Emma is talking to Clara 59 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:47.879 about the doctor that Clara might have some feelings for the 60 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.419 doctor or some interest in the doctor, but it's not taken any 61 00:03:51.419 --> 00:03:51.719 further. 62 00:03:51.780 --> 00:03:53.879 Yeah, it's teasing us with that, I think. 63 00:03:53.939 --> 00:03:55.319 She warns her off. 64 00:03:55.379 --> 00:03:59.340 She says he's got nice in his heart in what I thought was actually 65 00:03:59.340 --> 00:04:07.080 quite good. gave me unquiet dead vibes for a 2nd with Gwen and, you 66 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.659 know, the doctor and the big bad wolf and stuff. 67 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:11.219 And there's a twist within. 68 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:13.979 I like the twist within the twist, there's a twist, the right word 69 00:04:13.979 --> 00:04:17.279 towards the end, where it's just a development, not a twist. 70 00:04:17.339 --> 00:04:20.339 Sorry, someone put putting it out on Twitter the other day, but 71 00:04:20.339 --> 00:04:22.079 people always say twist when they actually mean development and 72 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:22.740 now I'm paranoid. 73 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:29.100 But, um, uh, it is revealed or that, that she, um, she doesn't 74 00:04:29.100 --> 00:04:29.339 answer. 75 00:04:29.459 --> 00:04:31.620 So the doctor's like, ah, actually, I've come here to find out all 76 00:04:31.620 --> 00:04:32.339 about Clara. 77 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:36.420 And then our empath friend pretty much lies to him and doesn't 78 00:04:36.420 --> 00:04:37.319 because she doesn't trust him. 79 00:04:37.379 --> 00:04:38.519 She doesn't think he's trustworthy. 80 00:04:38.579 --> 00:04:43.079 So she just says Clara's just an ordinary girl, which either she's 81 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:46.019 a rubbish empath and is telling the truth or she's a good empath 82 00:04:46.019 --> 00:04:46.560 and is lying. 83 00:04:46.620 --> 00:04:48.000 Isn't she telling the truth? 84 00:04:48.060 --> 00:04:48.779 guess. 85 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:52.199 I think I thought she came across like she was telling the truth 86 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:56.399 there, that actually there isn't anything mysterious or unusual 87 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:57.360 about Clara. 88 00:04:57.420 --> 00:05:01.439 It's sort of the destiny that is different. 89 00:05:01.500 --> 00:05:06.720 So, but Clara herself is just an ordinary person, although she's 90 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.740 not necessarily written as anyone who's at all ordinary in any way 91 00:05:10.740 --> 00:05:14.459 whatsoever, particularly in this episode, but maybe we'll come 92 00:05:14.459 --> 00:05:15.060 back to that. 93 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:15.839 Yeah. 94 00:05:15.899 --> 00:05:20.819 I tend to agree that that Emma is telling the truth, that I 95 00:05:20.819 --> 00:05:23.939 actually don't think that, um, as far as Clara is concerned, she's 96 00:05:23.939 --> 00:05:26.459 anything but an ordinary, ordinary young woman. 97 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:30.120 So yes, we'll, we find it, find out the truth of that later on in 98 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:30.779 the season, of course. 99 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.379 It's the Moffat thing of hiding the solution to the mystery in 100 00:05:34.379 --> 00:05:34.980 plain sight. 101 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.339 It turns out that the mystery was what it always had to be. 102 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.040 Missy was always going to be the master. 103 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:45.240 And here we get the solution to the problem that the doctor is 104 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:48.540 trying to solve in this episode, that there's nothing 105 00:05:48.540 --> 00:05:50.040 extraordinary about Clara. 106 00:05:50.100 --> 00:05:54.360 She's clever, she's brave, but she isn't anything else. 107 00:05:54.420 --> 00:05:57.420 And the doctor doesn't believe her because he's had the experience 108 00:05:57.420 --> 00:06:00.660 of seeing her diet, Christmas and all of that sort of thing. 109 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.240 But as far as Clara herself is concerned. 110 00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:08.220 In fact, this is, is this her 1st episode, is this Jenna's 1st 111 00:06:08.220 --> 00:06:08.759 episode? 112 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:10.800 Yes, of course. 113 00:06:10.860 --> 00:06:11.040 Yeah. 114 00:06:11.100 --> 00:06:13.079 Like before even the snowmen, right? 115 00:06:13.139 --> 00:06:14.040 Yes, it is. 116 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.060 Oh, right. 117 00:06:15.060 --> 00:06:17.519 Daleks, obviously. before the snowman. 118 00:06:17.579 --> 00:06:17.939 Yep. 119 00:06:17.939 --> 00:06:20.519 And I think she is really generic here. 120 00:06:20.579 --> 00:06:24.300 I think there's, we said last week, there's a kind of Sarah 121 00:06:24.300 --> 00:06:28.860 Janeness to her performance where it's just the plucky young gal 122 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:33.600 who is mostly defined by the actor's performance and she doesn't 123 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:37.560 really have anything by way of backstory here at all. 124 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:41.220 Yeah, I've got it down as like just at this point, and I'm casting 125 00:06:41.220 --> 00:06:42.540 my mind back to watching it at this point. 126 00:06:42.660 --> 00:06:45.779 I was getting frustrated that she was just this perfectly 127 00:06:45.779 --> 00:06:50.519 companion shaped thing that I didn't have a connection to. 128 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:54.360 And I was enjoying the mystery at the same time as thinking, I 129 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:56.939 don't know how they're going to wreck on her into being a 130 00:06:56.939 --> 00:07:00.899 believable real person, having started out with her being not 131 00:07:00.899 --> 00:07:01.199 that. 132 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:03.420 And for me, they never really did. 133 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.360 It never quite, that's why Clara never landed with me. 134 00:07:06.420 --> 00:07:10.139 I think this is looking back from now, because at the time it was 135 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:11.879 like she's going through all the motions of being a perfect 136 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:14.100 companion, but it's not built on anything. 137 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:19.079 And you can explore that, but then it's like a retcon when it gets 138 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:22.680 put in and maybe she's got grandparents, maybe she's posh, maybe 139 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:27.000 she's from Blackpool, because that doesn't matter in terms of what 140 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:31.079 Clara is there to be, that there's an emotional cost to that, I 141 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:32.459 guess, in terms of investment in the character. 142 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:36.180 I must confess, I'm a really lazy Doctor Who fan. 143 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:38.879 And I just wanted her to be. 144 00:07:38.939 --> 00:07:39.959 I just wanted to be a companion. 145 00:07:40.019 --> 00:07:43.740 I just want her to be, I just wanted to be a companion without 146 00:07:43.740 --> 00:07:49.019 this sort of crazy mystery that never really, for me, is 147 00:07:49.019 --> 00:07:49.740 satisfying. 148 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:52.920 I just, yeah, I just wanted her to be a companion. 149 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:54.899 I just wanted to be Sarah Jane Smith. 150 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:59.100 So, you know, not literally Sarah Jane Smith, obviously, but to 151 00:07:59.100 --> 00:08:01.439 function in that way, so we could just get on with the stories 152 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.000 that's how I felt about it. 153 00:08:03.060 --> 00:08:06.420 I think that we have something about the way that Moffatt 154 00:08:06.420 --> 00:08:08.639 approaches companions, which is different from the way that 155 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.879 Russell approaches them, which is different from the way the 156 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:13.079 classic series did. 157 00:08:13.139 --> 00:08:21.120 And what happened with Russell was that they were kind of well 158 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:23.100 rounded TV people. 159 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.100 So they weren't really the sort of person that you would actually 160 00:08:26.100 --> 00:08:29.399 meet, but they were the sort of person that you would see on TV in 161 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:30.779 other shows. 162 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.159 So it was easy to know how they would react and you could do fun 163 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.559 things with them because they were sort of very clearly defined. 164 00:08:37.620 --> 00:08:42.299 And then Moffatt wants to do something a bit more high concept 165 00:08:42.299 --> 00:08:43.860 with his 1st companion. 166 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:49.019 And so he does that with Amy and really kind of binds the whole 167 00:08:49.019 --> 00:08:53.159 doctor's personality with Amy and then suddenly Amy's gone. 168 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:55.679 I think the doctors did a bit of a loose end. 169 00:08:55.740 --> 00:08:59.399 And so you've got what is essentially a classic series companion 170 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:04.500 comes in who's just a person who, you know, is plucky and faces 171 00:09:04.500 --> 00:09:07.799 the monsters and helps and wanders off or doesn't wander off last 172 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:08.460 week, actually. 173 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:10.980 And that's really all we have. 174 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.539 But the doctor thinks it's a weird, timey, whimey companion that 175 00:09:15.539 --> 00:09:16.139 he's got. 176 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.059 He thinks he's got a Moffat style companion. 177 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:21.720 But in reality, all he's got is just a normal classic series 178 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:22.500 companion. 179 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.399 And I think it's telling that Moffatt then dumps that whole idea 180 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.919 completely for Bill and she's just a person. 181 00:09:28.980 --> 00:09:31.320 Yeah, exactly. 182 00:09:31.379 --> 00:09:33.720 It's really odd, I find. 183 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.799 Chris, she's written very generically, but she's also written 184 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:42.360 really oddly at times. the moment where she says, I'm not happy. 185 00:09:42.419 --> 00:09:46.740 It's like she's never felt anything at all other than happiness in 186 00:09:46.740 --> 00:09:50.580 her life, and she's read about feelings, and suddenly she's got 187 00:09:50.580 --> 00:09:55.620 this weird, really strange feeling for the 1st time ever, like, oh 188 00:09:55.620 --> 00:09:56.279 what is this? 189 00:09:56.340 --> 00:09:58.080 I don't understand this. 190 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:01.500 And then you've got the cup of tea moment, which is very 191 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:06.480 definitely a Sarah Jane Smith callback where no alcohol or cup of 192 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:07.500 tea is going to solve everything. 193 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:09.179 It's a good murder one. 194 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:09.899 Exactly. 195 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:14.940 You know, and it's just that trying to make her ordinary, but also 196 00:10:14.940 --> 00:10:18.840 just it doesn't quite work because the writing is just all over 197 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:19.559 the place for her. 198 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:21.480 You're dead right. 199 00:10:21.539 --> 00:10:24.840 There's moments where they feel like there's then Steed and Mrs 200 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:27.419 Peel vibe to it, sort of junior. 201 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:30.419 And then it's like, oh, are they flirting? 202 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.720 And that plays it nicely. the bit at the end where he puts his arm 203 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.919 around her and then suddenly pulls away, but it's like also, will 204 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:38.639 they, won't they? 205 00:10:38.700 --> 00:10:42.299 has been done a lot in Doctor Who, by this point, and I'm quite 206 00:10:42.299 --> 00:10:44.279 happy for it to just be they won't and just get on with the 207 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:44.639 stories. 208 00:10:44.700 --> 00:10:48.059 But, but they, but they work with it and they're trying to. 209 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.179 I read somewhere that they, the original script, they tone the way 210 00:10:51.179 --> 00:10:52.860 it was originally written. 211 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.220 They said that Clara seemed too bitchy, and so they toned that 212 00:10:56.220 --> 00:10:58.500 down to make her less so. 213 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:02.399 Deal Cross himself said that he'd turn that down because he'd only 214 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.960 based it on her appearance in asylum, where she's much more sort 215 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.559 of prickly, I guess, or, you know, Quippy. 216 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:14.159 I mean, the way she, I mean, she just functions like an ordinary 217 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.019 companion, doesn't she, in the stories? 218 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.940 And she knows she's a companion, doesn't she? 219 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.139 Yeah, that's the thing. 220 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.679 It's a very knowing performance and I think that's what sort of 221 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:27.539 almost alienates you from her because it's like she knows almost 222 00:11:27.539 --> 00:11:31.259 that she's in a TV show and they're visiting a haunted house and 223 00:11:31.259 --> 00:11:32.759 all the tropes are going to be there. 224 00:11:32.820 --> 00:11:37.139 We've got a thundery, rainy evening for a start, right from the 225 00:11:37.139 --> 00:11:40.259 beginning, right through to the morning where the sun comes back 226 00:11:40.259 --> 00:11:44.519 out, and it's, it's exactly what you'd expect, and she is 227 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:48.480 performing in exactly the way you'd expect, and she knows she's 228 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:50.460 performing in exactly the way. 229 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.299 I don't know if that's from Jenna Coleman or from the script, but 230 00:11:54.299 --> 00:11:57.000 it doesn't always come across as very likeable. 231 00:11:57.299 --> 00:11:59.399 I think it's the script. 232 00:11:59.460 --> 00:12:02.879 I mean, some of the dialogue she's saddled with, it's, um, yeah 233 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:05.519 you can see very quickly they work out that's not going to work 234 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.000 for the rest of the season if we keep, keep giving her words like 235 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:09.659 that. 236 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.919 I mean, I did write one down, if you'll indulge me, where she says 237 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.659 whiskey is the 11th most disgusting thing ever invented. 238 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.600 I mean, who says, who says that? 239 00:12:21.659 --> 00:12:23.460 Not being a whiskey drinker. 240 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.299 I don't know, but I'll take a word on it, that's for sure. 241 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.360 Yeah, and it's funny because you can see it's a note. 242 00:12:30.419 --> 00:12:33.179 It almost okay. was made to think she's the sort of person who has 243 00:12:33.179 --> 00:12:34.919 lists of things like that. 244 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:37.919 That would be a quirk, that would be an interesting quirk. 245 00:12:37.980 --> 00:12:39.899 And it's just forgotten. 246 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:45.000 It's a glimpse of a real odd person, which would be interesting 247 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.039 except it nothing hangs on it. 248 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:49.080 And she hates Carlisle. 249 00:12:49.139 --> 00:12:50.460 I think the Carlisle joke. 250 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:55.019 Oh, yes, Paul Mark McManus, friend of the podcast, who lives in 251 00:12:55.019 --> 00:12:56.759 Carlisle. felt for him there. 252 00:12:57.659 --> 00:13:00.539 That's a bit desperate, that line. 253 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:04.980 That's a, let's just insert place name here for, because we want a 254 00:13:04.980 --> 00:13:06.419 punchline for what's the opposite of place. 255 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:09.480 I had literally no idea what that could possibly mean. 256 00:13:09.539 --> 00:13:13.200 And yeah, I remember loads of online debate about it. 257 00:13:13.259 --> 00:13:15.240 Does everyone in the UK hate Carlisle? 258 00:13:15.299 --> 00:13:16.500 No, not really. 259 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.399 It's quite near Blackpool, and she's from Blackpool, so I guess 260 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:21.960 they were going for a local rivalry. 261 00:13:22.019 --> 00:13:25.980 I have not that near, an hour and a half away, but it's babies 262 00:13:25.980 --> 00:13:28.500 ever going for a regional rivalry thing, like they do with Dan 263 00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:30.600 from Liverpool slagging off Manchester. 264 00:13:30.659 --> 00:13:34.919 I just remember that joke being done much better with a lead stamp 265 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:36.960 the big Leeds stamp, you know. 266 00:13:39.659 --> 00:13:43.860 Look, I mean, Moffatt wants to write sitcom characters because he 267 00:13:43.860 --> 00:13:49.019 writes comedy dialogue and he wants characters to be witty and so 268 00:13:49.019 --> 00:13:54.480 he does throw jokes in and he will sometimes let character slide 269 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:55.620 for the sake of a joke. 270 00:13:55.679 --> 00:14:01.620 And I don't know that that's always a bad instinct to give into. 271 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:04.019 Sometimes I think the line is sort of worth it. 272 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:09.659 But, you know, this is this is Neil Cross's 1st script for the 273 00:14:09.659 --> 00:14:14.460 show and he is asked to do Rings of Ackerton on the strength of 274 00:14:14.460 --> 00:14:15.899 this, I think. 275 00:14:15.899 --> 00:14:17.759 Obviously, they haven't shot that yet. 276 00:14:17.820 --> 00:14:23.399 And I don't know that either of his scripts is particularly 277 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:28.500 successful despite the fact that he is a very successful and 278 00:14:28.500 --> 00:14:31.200 highly regarded TV writer. 279 00:14:31.259 --> 00:14:31.919 Is that fair? 280 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:38.220 I think that's fair because, I mean, I think I've watched it 4 281 00:14:38.220 --> 00:14:43.440 times, and when the closer you look, um, the more the shortcomings 282 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:47.100 in the dialogue and the writing are revealed. 283 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:50.519 I mean, one of the strengths of the episode is that it's a chamber 284 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.539 piece and that this small ensemble cast, the actors, it's the 285 00:14:54.539 --> 00:14:58.019 casting and the way it's directed that really lift it up from 286 00:14:58.019 --> 00:15:02.460 perhaps possibly a mediocre script, I think. 287 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.580 I mean, the actors are just doing a fantastic job and they all 288 00:15:05.580 --> 00:15:06.899 come together brilliantly in it. 289 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:10.379 And the way it's been shot and edited, the way it's lit 290 00:15:10.379 --> 00:15:13.320 particularly, both in the house, but also in the pocket universe 291 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:13.980 forest. 292 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.379 I just think that's what really makes this episode a success. 293 00:15:16.620 --> 00:15:21.659 Yeah, I think, um, Doug Gray Scott and Jessica Rain are doing a 294 00:15:21.659 --> 00:15:24.840 lot of heavy lifting to bring something to their characters that 295 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:30.000 aren't there on the page, and they are doing a lot of work sort of 296 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.299 in their body language, particularly when they're in the scenes 297 00:15:33.299 --> 00:15:38.159 together, um, and they're playing it very close, and you can see 298 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:39.120 the tension in it. 299 00:15:39.179 --> 00:15:41.399 There isn't necessarily there in the script. 300 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:42.840 I think they're doing great work there. 301 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:48.240 Yeah, she's and Jessica Rain is on my list of future doctors and 302 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.360 was, in this episode, I did kind of end up wishing that she, she 303 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:52.139 was the companion. 304 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:55.919 She just has that, she's got an edge to her and obviously her 305 00:15:55.919 --> 00:16:00.360 verity Lambert is a spectacular creation a few years after this. 306 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:07.320 But yet, so, and this, so Hyde and Rings are my favourite, this is 307 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.360 my favourite episode of this season, and Rings is my least 308 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:09.779 favourite. 309 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:14.759 So I'm not, I can't make a complete even judgement on the 310 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.120 scripting in that sense because they pressed different buttons in 311 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:18.539 different ways. 312 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.240 But this definitely, I think this is my favourite next time 313 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:22.259 trailer of the season. 314 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:24.779 I'll tell you that, at the end of Cold War, when this, like, we're 315 00:16:24.779 --> 00:16:27.179 in a haunted house next week, there's wood panelling, there's 316 00:16:27.179 --> 00:16:29.759 candles, it's got a sapphire and steel vibe. 317 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.399 I think I'd just done a sapphire and steel rewatch, and that got 318 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.639 me really stoked for this episode, and it didn't blow me away 319 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:40.320 entirely on landing, but it still, because we don't hadn't had a 320 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:41.399 proper haunted house for a while. 321 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.159 Is this New Who's 1st haunted house? 322 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:45.840 I'm forgetting something massive, aren't I? 323 00:16:45.899 --> 00:16:49.740 No, we had one last year, didn't we? 324 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:54.120 Is the council estate in um night terrors of haunted house? 325 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:55.919 And certainly the haunted house. 326 00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:57.720 The dolls house is a haunted house. 327 00:16:57.779 --> 00:16:59.039 Yeah, of course, yeah. 328 00:16:59.100 --> 00:16:59.399 Yeah. 329 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.860 I've erased that from my memory, Nathan. 330 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:03.000 I don't know what you're talking about. 331 00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:03.899 Oh, you are on that one. 332 00:17:04.500 --> 00:17:06.180 That's right. 333 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:14.519 Also the children's home in day of the moon as well with the 334 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:15.839 thunder and yeah. 335 00:17:15.900 --> 00:17:21.180 So this is, but this is our 1st sort of retro straight down the 336 00:17:21.180 --> 00:17:21.420 line. 337 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.940 It's literally an old big old haunted house in the countryside one 338 00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:27.420 for a long time and it's nice to have them running with that. 339 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:34.319 The, um, the, the lightning sound effect seemed a bit, was it like 340 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:35.700 being deliberately cheesy? 341 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:37.680 I'm not sure it is the same one off that. 342 00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:41.039 There's a there was a sound effect, LP from the BBC, real death 343 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:44.460 and horror sound effects, and I used it in school plays when I was 344 00:17:44.460 --> 00:17:49.079 a teenager, and it would still, and I recognised that lightning 345 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:50.700 bolt and that wolf howl. 346 00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:54.599 And then it is not that lightning bolt in this one, but it is 347 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.480 right through any BBC thing up to the 90s. 348 00:17:57.539 --> 00:18:00.480 It's the same wolf howl and the same clap of thunder that was on 349 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.859 this record that came out in the 60s. 350 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:02.400 It's amazing. 351 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:06.000 The standard issue, BBC sound effects record that they've gone to 352 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.619 for the... 353 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:09.660 Yeah, but no, but with this one they have. 354 00:18:09.660 --> 00:18:11.099 Maybe because we're in HD now. 355 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:12.420 But it did look, yeah. 356 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.240 We don't see a lightning bolt going across the sky. 357 00:18:15.299 --> 00:18:18.299 We just see the outside of the house with a light flashing on it 358 00:18:18.299 --> 00:18:21.900 which is a bit, has it gone a bit more with that, but I'm, but I 359 00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:23.880 still, I'm, I'm loving the vibe. 360 00:18:23.940 --> 00:18:24.599 I'm loving the vibe. 361 00:18:24.779 --> 00:18:29.039 I get real image of the Fendal vibes from it. 362 00:18:29.099 --> 00:18:33.000 And one of the things that I enjoyed watching it this time was 363 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:37.619 seeing something that you could easily imagine them doing in the 364 00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:43.680 70s on Doctor Who, but with, you know, decent lighting and a, you 365 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:45.720 know, expanded budget and things like that. 366 00:18:45.779 --> 00:18:50.220 And I think it's deliberately set in 1976 for that reason. 367 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:55.920 And it also has the kind of tension killing trip to the TARDIS in 368 00:18:55.920 --> 00:19:00.839 episode three. you know, in both stories. 369 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:06.900 And like I have to say that I don't object that much to that 370 00:19:06.900 --> 00:19:12.059 sequence, but it is odd. 371 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:16.259 We complained with curse of the black spot, among other things 372 00:19:16.259 --> 00:19:20.759 that the doctor and Captain Avery just head off to the TARDIS to 373 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:25.740 do some exposition and kind of low-level character work when we're 374 00:19:25.740 --> 00:19:28.380 expecting piratry to be going on. 375 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:31.799 And I do think it's a kind of a shame that we lose the haunted 376 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:36.059 house for just, you know, appearing over and over and again in the 377 00:19:36.059 --> 00:19:37.980 same place for some reason. 378 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:39.180 It is odd. 379 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:43.319 Well, I can see why they put that into the episode. 380 00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:46.920 I think because there's something really fundamental missing in 381 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:48.359 the haunted house sequences. 382 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.539 And that's the fact that the doctor doesn't go and check out a 383 00:19:51.539 --> 00:19:53.579 well stocked larder with cheese and wine. 384 00:19:54.660 --> 00:19:56.880 And there isn't an old lady. 385 00:19:56.940 --> 00:19:58.140 We need a witchy old lady. 386 00:19:58.200 --> 00:19:59.460 That's the one. 387 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.279 Maybe she's in charge of stocking the larder with the wine, yeah. 388 00:20:02.339 --> 00:20:04.319 Well, in fact, we don't have a ghost. 389 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:07.019 Like, it is a haunted house where there's no ghost and the ghost 390 00:20:07.019 --> 00:20:10.799 is in fact from the future rather than from the past and is 391 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.799 someone who's experiencing distress, but hasn't actually died. 392 00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:18.779 So I think that the episode sort of leans into the haunted house 393 00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:24.720 tropes and kind of images as much as possible in order to sell 394 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:28.559 that surprise, that contrast turns out it's not a ghost after 395 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:29.039 all. 396 00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:32.880 So it has to be super ghosty with, you know, writing on the wall 397 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:37.200 in cold spots and a mysterious hand and all of that sort of 398 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:37.380 thing. 399 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.119 How did she do the help me? 400 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:42.000 Yeah, she actually doesn't that up. 401 00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:46.319 This is not the 1st time that that sort of thing has happened to 402 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:46.859 Doctor Who. 403 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:48.359 We just rolling with it. 404 00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:50.099 Ghost reasons. 405 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:51.000 Ghost. 406 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:51.720 Ghost. 407 00:20:51.779 --> 00:20:54.660 Yeah, but even more powerful than space reasons are usually 408 00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:57.660 explained by space reasons, very hastily at the end of episode 409 00:20:57.660 --> 00:20:57.960 four. 410 00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:13.319 Shall we talk about Interstellar? 411 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.420 The Christopher Nolan film? 412 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:16.619 Oh, yes, okay, yeah. 413 00:21:16.740 --> 00:21:17.759 Go for it. 414 00:21:17.819 --> 00:21:21.059 Because I think this is where this episode falls down, and that's 415 00:21:21.059 --> 00:21:25.380 the idea that time in the pocket universe operates at a different 416 00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:27.059 speed to our universe. 417 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.900 And I think the doctor says that 3 minutes in the pocket universe 418 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:35.160 equates to several 100000 years. in our universe. 419 00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:40.799 And yet when he goes in there and he, he rescues Hiller, where I, I 420 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:43.619 mean, after rewatching it, I guess they're there for not more than 421 00:21:43.619 --> 00:21:49.799 about 3 minutes, but, um, it feels like he's there for a whole lot 422 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:55.140 longer and yet time in our universe doesn't really change at all. 423 00:21:56.700 --> 00:22:00.180 Yes, I think the... 424 00:22:00.180 --> 00:22:02.339 Yes, I think there's something about the narrative. 425 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:03.180 Do you know what I mean? 426 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:07.680 once we have the doctor there while all of our other characters 427 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:10.140 are somewhere else, we can't do that anymore. 428 00:22:10.259 --> 00:22:14.279 And he will actually, and Moffatt will successfully do something 429 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:18.539 similar in world enough in time where he has one character 430 00:22:18.539 --> 00:22:22.380 experiencing time at a different rate from everyone else in a way 431 00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:24.240 that just about works. 432 00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:28.380 But I sort of understood that her whole experience was like 3 433 00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:31.799 minutes, but she seems to have been there at the beginning. 434 00:22:31.859 --> 00:22:33.059 Oh, I guess that's, you know. 435 00:22:33.420 --> 00:22:35.640 Yeah, because otherwise, at the end, she'd be like, oh, it's no 436 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:36.059 big deal, actually. 437 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:36.839 I was only there for 2 minutes. 438 00:22:36.900 --> 00:22:37.980 I mean, thanks for the rest of me. 439 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.640 Honestly, I've spent longer in a lift, you know. 440 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:46.619 Quite pinned down what her experience. 441 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:48.599 Yeah. 442 00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:51.299 And there's a lot of realisation moments. 443 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:52.140 Of course. 444 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:53.460 I've been such a fool. 445 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:55.740 It's obviously not the monster's not trying to eat everybody. 446 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:58.019 It's just in love because that's the theme of this episode. 447 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:00.779 The doctor just realises that, doesn't it? 448 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.779 Which, again, that's what happens in this show a lot, but it's 449 00:23:03.779 --> 00:23:08.039 always a bit risky when you try to just carry it. in that way. 450 00:23:08.099 --> 00:23:10.200 Or have I missed an egg right there though? 451 00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:11.099 Why is it there? 452 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:12.720 It's really odd, isn't it? 453 00:23:12.779 --> 00:23:13.920 Because we don't resolve it either. 454 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:19.079 Like, it's kind of like that new plot thing gets introduced right 455 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.160 at the end after everything else is resolved, and then it doesn't 456 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:24.180 get resolved itself. 457 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:25.920 We just stop midway through. 458 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:27.900 And I liked that ending. 459 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:30.359 I think more Doctor Who should end like that. 460 00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:33.539 I don't think it should be, you know, the usual thing where we 461 00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:36.119 don't say goodbye and the TARDIS disappears or whatever. 462 00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:38.400 I quite like it finishing in the middle of the action. 463 00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:42.299 It's a bit like I'm a bit like the end of Pirate Planet episode 464 00:23:42.299 --> 00:23:42.779 four. 465 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.759 Oh, I'd be like, shock as well. 466 00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:49.019 Beryl Reeds floating around in an escape pod. 467 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.359 It's just like, no, we'll get back there. 468 00:23:53.339 --> 00:23:58.619 I'm just, I guess I'm just cold of heart because I just don't, I 469 00:23:58.619 --> 00:24:01.200 just don't know why it's there and it undermines the rest of the 470 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:02.220 episode, really. 471 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.720 And I just, um, it just reminded me of Time Heist, of course, which 472 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:07.380 is to come. 473 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.579 I'm surprised it didn't cut to an image of the monsters walking 474 00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:14.819 off into the distance holding claws or whatever it is they'd 475 00:24:14.819 --> 00:24:15.119 hold. 476 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.000 Well, they only made one, I think would be the answer to that. 477 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:23.460 Well, yeah, and I mean, I've probably whined before about romance 478 00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:26.039 being the last thing I want in Doctor Who, because it's everywhere 479 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:29.579 and it's not, but, and so the reason I, I, I, one of the things I 480 00:24:29.579 --> 00:24:32.220 do, I like about this story, is it, it does stuff that normally 481 00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:34.799 annoys me, but it doesn't annoy me as much as it normally does 482 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.599 because of a lot of the other stuff that it's coming in with. 483 00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:40.799 Uh, does, does, does carry it in a way that it sometimes doesn't. 484 00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:45.599 And yeah, and I keep going back to remembering at this point, yeah 485 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.019 the doctor's awareness of the sexiness of Clara is just something 486 00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:51.299 that's handled. 487 00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:55.259 I mean, very differently to the same thing with Amy. 488 00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:00.839 But it's still, it's always skirting a difficult area when, and 489 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:05.460 the idea that Emma is in sort of almost inevitably in love with 490 00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:09.660 the professor who she looks up to, it's a bit of a, I don't know 491 00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:13.859 that, that an assistant will always, it's, so Sherlock is going on 492 00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:17.160 at the same time as this, obviously, and I'm already annoyed at 493 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:21.240 this point by the way Sherlock Scott, the simpering woman who's in 494 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.980 love with him, in the same way that we later get Osgood, who's in 495 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.380 in love and all klutzsy around the doctor. 496 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:32.039 And that's a real motif of these 2 shows that was getting on my 497 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:32.700 nerd at this point. 498 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:32.940 Sorry. 499 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:34.859 And I started out, this was, this was me listing things I like 500 00:25:34.859 --> 00:25:37.980 about this story and now I've gone off on one, which is not, and 501 00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:39.539 it's not, it's not a main line of it. 502 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.099 It's just, but it is a thread through it. 503 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:41.759 Yeah. 504 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.299 I actually like the way that that romance is resolved because 505 00:25:45.299 --> 00:25:48.180 there is all this kind of slightly irritating. 506 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:49.740 Will they, won't they, about it? 507 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.980 And then the doctor just comes in and says, oh, he's healer, she's 508 00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:56.519 your great, great, great, great, great, great. that's both of you 509 00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:56.700 right? 510 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.880 So go off and make it. you know. 511 00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:01.859 Yeah, and he lands the joke. 512 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:03.960 That's the thing, that's that's one of those things that's on a 513 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:04.500 knife edge. 514 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.980 Matt Smith's, you know, but you already knew that. 515 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:08.819 Oh, you didn't? 516 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.960 That little moment really works and does it very nicely, which if 517 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:14.700 that had just not been quite like that. 518 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.740 It could have been a big old clunk, I think. 519 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.380 Yeah, that's his doctor in a nutshell, isn't it? 520 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.440 That's the kind of thing he does and does brilliantly. 521 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:35.160 I'm getting a real kind of, I'm getting a real sense that Matt's 522 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.339 performance is starting to run out at this point. 523 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:42.480 And there's a lot of stuff that I still like, like a lot of 524 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:42.839 stuff. 525 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:45.960 I love his stupid reaction with his hands. 526 00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:49.859 You know, where Clara says, you don't need to hold my hand. 527 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.220 And then he kind of looks at his hands and then goes, I'm not 528 00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:55.500 holding your hand and then he kind of waves him about and stuff. 529 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.539 And like, I think that's really funny. 530 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:01.200 I think there's still some really funny physical awkwardness, but 531 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:05.099 he's not surprising me with what he's doing quite so much 532 00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:06.000 anymore. 533 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:12.240 And yeah, it is that thing where they start to write crazy Matt 534 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:16.079 Smith things for Matt Smith to do instead of writing things and 535 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.740 then letting Matt Smith do Matt Smith things with them. 536 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:24.900 And I'm also just getting a kind of pertwe in series 11 kind of 537 00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:29.700 feel where all his playmates are gone and now he's just kind of 538 00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:31.740 waiting for the 50th to happen. 539 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.440 Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. 540 00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:38.460 I think this is where we get those criticisms of Matt coming in 541 00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:40.859 where he's just doing it by the numbers. 542 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.079 He's a quirky doctor. 543 00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:46.980 He's being written as quirky and he does his stick. 544 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.619 So he does the spinning around on the spot. 545 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:51.839 He does the hands waving all over the place. 546 00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:53.099 He does that. 547 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.940 I'm a bit weird. and this is all a bit strange and kooky when he's 548 00:27:56.940 --> 00:27:59.579 on the mysterious other time. 549 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:00.960 All of those things. 550 00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:03.240 We've seen him do better before. 551 00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:06.660 It's like he's not quite engaged with the material here. 552 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.799 And I do wonder whether he's uneasy because he's just, this is the 553 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.980 1st one without Matt and Karen. other than the Christmas 554 00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:14.700 specials. 555 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:16.859 He's got a new companion in. 556 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.559 Maybe he doesn't know what the dynamic is going to be. 557 00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:22.440 And if they're going to work together well. 558 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.200 And I think there's a feeling of trepidation in a lot of the 559 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.619 scenes with the doctor and Clara, where neither of the 2 of them 560 00:28:28.619 --> 00:28:33.059 quite know how to play with each other, if you see what I mean, and 561 00:28:33.059 --> 00:28:36.000 how the scenes are going to go and how to do this yet. 562 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:41.220 Yeah, I mean, I think the, the, um, the journey of the 11th doctor 563 00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:46.500 is, is so closely linked to that of uh, the ponds, or more 564 00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:51.299 specifically Amy, that when Amy and Rory leave, I think his 565 00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:53.640 emotional arc is done. 566 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:55.980 I mean, the 11th doctor is done. 567 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:57.599 He's ready. 568 00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:59.700 And I totally agree with you, Nathan. 569 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:08.099 It feels like 7A is Pertweis season 10 and 7B is season 11, for 570 00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:08.339 sure. 571 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:14.400 It's almost as if he's trying to create an imaginative backstory 572 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:19.980 for Clara because all there is is she's someone he met, you know 573 00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:25.680 whereas he was his previous companion's imaginary childhood friend 574 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.960 and he just doesn't have that role. 575 00:29:28.019 --> 00:29:30.900 And later on it'll get bigger and whatever and then we'll forget 576 00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:31.799 it and do something else. 577 00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:36.180 But there is something a little bit sort of clutching at straws 578 00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:41.039 that he's doing that is reflected in where we are with the show 579 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:42.119 right now, I think. 580 00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:43.259 Yep. 581 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.619 And yet you're absolutely right, Nathan, there are moments of 582 00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:47.819 brilliance. 583 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:52.019 The moment I'd noted down was, you were the only mystery worth 584 00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:52.680 solving. 585 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:57.180 And she plays it with such almost sadness. 586 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:02.099 But also, is it that Clara is the mystery worth solving, or is it 587 00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:05.579 the human race is the mystery worth solving, and you don't know. 588 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:09.119 But he plays that sort of nicely enigmatically. 589 00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:13.200 Yeah, it's clear that Clara takes it one way and that we as the 590 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:14.940 audience take it a different way. 591 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.859 And it is the 11th doctor lying to his companions about why 592 00:30:19.859 --> 00:30:20.819 they're there. 593 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:25.259 You know, Amy's there in series 5 because of the crack in her wall 594 00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:27.900 in series 6. 595 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.759 He doesn't tell her that she's pregnant. 596 00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:33.839 He doesn't say why he went to the gangers factory, that weird 597 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:38.099 factory in the monastery. going there to find out about gangers 598 00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:40.200 because he already knows Amy is one. 599 00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:45.720 And then here, you know, he's come to see Emma, not the haunted 600 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.359 house because he wants to know who Clara is. 601 00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:53.220 And that consistent thing about Matt is where he seems really 602 00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:58.440 jolly and lovely, but he's actually a bit of a liar and a bit 603 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:03.660 manipulative in a way that isn't reflected in his performance 604 00:31:03.660 --> 00:31:04.140 particularly. 605 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.119 He never seems that he's being devious. 606 00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:08.460 I kind of like that. 607 00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:14.579 And I have a thing where I want my doctors to be a bit unlikeable 608 00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:18.299 and Matt just gets there, I think. 609 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.099 But he also does the alien doctor really brilliantly. 610 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:28.559 He still manages to really capture that quality of the 11th 611 00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:28.920 doctor. 612 00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:30.900 I mean, when Emma says, will it hurt? 613 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:35.880 And he says, no, yes, probably a bit, well, quite a lot, et 614 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:36.359 cetera. 615 00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:39.539 You know, I just, I just think that's great, the way he plays 616 00:31:39.539 --> 00:31:39.900 that. 617 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.220 Yeah, he doesn't overdo it. 618 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:41.759 You're right. 619 00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:45.779 In amongst the Matt's silliness, there are still those sort of 620 00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:48.839 essential length doctor qualities there, which is great to see. 621 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.220 I guess because there's no villain, he doesn't get to do angry and 622 00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:57.000 Matt angry is my absolutely favourite thing. because you never 623 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.119 know how he's going to do it and sometimes he does it just 624 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:00.839 remarkably well. 625 00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:06.359 But this is an episode with no villain and turns out, no threat. 626 00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:08.759 That's good, I guess. 627 00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:09.599 Is that good? 628 00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:11.039 I think that's probably good. 629 00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:11.880 It's different. 630 00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:12.960 Yeah, it's true, yeah, yeah. 631 00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:14.460 Yeah, we don't want to be that predictable. 632 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:14.940 Yeah, yeah. 633 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:16.259 It's nice for a change. 634 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:17.759 I guess so. 635 00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:18.839 Yeah. 636 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.160 But yeah. 637 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:24.240 If there was just an old witch lady living in a house next door. 638 00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:26.339 That was just elevated for you. 639 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.720 Then we're in the... 640 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.400 Yeah, then wouldn't be tough here. 641 00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:32.400 What do we think about Clara's relationship with the TARDIS, which 642 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.880 obviously is going to be explored a lot more next week, but this 643 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:36.180 one. 644 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.019 The thing with the TARDIS suddenly doing talking to her. 645 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:41.339 I was a little bit... 646 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:44.519 In fact, I remember the roller coaster. why does that suddenly 647 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:44.880 come from? 648 00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:46.440 How can I companion? 649 00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:47.460 Bang on the TARDIS door? 650 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.039 and then the TARDIS suddenly starts talking to them after all 651 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:50.339 these years? 652 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:50.880 I hate that. 653 00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:54.059 And then 2 seconds later, she's in the TARDIS and flying, and the 654 00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:57.720 way that it's shot, with her just clinging onto a thing, and it's 655 00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.039 all, everything's just spinning around. 656 00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:00.599 I was like, okay, no, I like this now. 657 00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:02.039 That's way of doing that. 658 00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:06.119 So we have had the TARDIS's voice interface before in Let's Kill 659 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:13.019 Hitler. and it appears as little Caitlin Blackwood. 660 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.859 Like after trying a few other recent new series companions on. 661 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:18.359 Yes, of course, I'd forgotten that. 662 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:19.380 And we have had that before. 663 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:24.240 And there is that thing, there is something about Clara's 664 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.539 character where the person that she loves and trusts is her and 665 00:33:27.539 --> 00:33:31.140 that's like a dig at her and it turns out that's kind of where we 666 00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:33.119 end up going with a character, I think. 667 00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:35.519 So that actually works quite well. 668 00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:37.140 Yes it does. 669 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.599 Somehow I have forgotten that part of Let's kill Hitler 670 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:40.140 completely. 671 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:40.920 Okay, yeah. 672 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:43.980 I do like let me in, you grumpy old cow. 673 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:45.359 Yeah, yes. 674 00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:48.599 That's a thing that we've had before too, isn't it? 675 00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:55.319 The TARDIS kind of got stressed about Jack because Jack had been 676 00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.220 sort of rendered a fixed point in time or something by Rose at the 677 00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:00.299 end of series one. 678 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:05.220 And so obviously the Tartars can sense what's going to happen to 679 00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:10.679 Clara in the finale of this of this season, I guess. 680 00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:13.980 And yeah, because she's not a normal person, is she? 681 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.119 I mean, she's sort of... 682 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.940 She is now, but she won't be later. 683 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:23.039 And I mean, that's actually the, you know, what I think is the 684 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.940 best, most satisfying arc in new series, Doctor Who is series 3. 685 00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:32.039 And it is just because John Sim gets in the TARDIS in episode 11 686 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:37.860 and then travels back in time to the end of series 2 and then 687 00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:40.440 starts appearing in all of the episodes sort of. 688 00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:41.880 And I think that's really great. 689 00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:44.940 It's a low hanging fruit when you've got a time machine in the 690 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:45.300 show. 691 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.599 You can do that sort of quite easily, and I think that works 692 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:49.260 really well. 693 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.780 So I don't I kind of don't mind this. 694 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:56.760 I like the idea that even though we are given the answer to the 695 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:57.900 mystery by Emma. 696 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:02.039 There is still something going on that we aren't aware of. 697 00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:06.059 And of course, we've seen Asylum of Daleks and the snowmen as 698 00:35:06.059 --> 00:35:06.239 well. 699 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:24.539 So, can we talk about Village of the Angels? 700 00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:30.420 And you might wonder about this, but we've got a November setting 701 00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:35.340 in a spooky kind of haunted house where they're doing experiments 702 00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:36.719 into the unknown. 703 00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:41.639 We've got a war hero who's a bit lost and hasn't found his place 704 00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:42.840 in the world. 705 00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:48.719 We've got using someone's odd psychic powers to do these 706 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:52.679 experiments and a village on the edge of the world. 707 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:58.860 Oh, yeah, I hadn't thought about that cliff thing that surrounds 708 00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:01.800 the pocket universe is also in Village of the Angels. 709 00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:05.159 Oh, you're talking you're talking a chibnil story, aren't you? 710 00:36:05.219 --> 00:36:06.059 That's right. 711 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:06.840 I am. 712 00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:07.139 Yeah. 713 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.860 It's a complete remix of this adventure that I hadn't noticed 714 00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:12.420 until I watched Hyde again. 715 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:16.380 I think Angels does it better, but because it's because it's got a 716 00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:16.679 threat. 717 00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:18.719 I think it probably does, actually. 718 00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:19.619 Because it's got more of a threat. 719 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:20.340 The threat is real. 720 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.519 Yeah, other than, I mean, the biggest threat in this, ultimately 721 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.760 is that the doctor might go on to sing the racist versus of let's 722 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:28.500 do it, which fortunately he doesn't do. 723 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.800 We just, we just get the nice jelly one before he starts listing 724 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:33.719 all the ethnicities of the world in the different ways in which 725 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.599 they do it, which is not Cold Porter's finest hour. 726 00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:38.159 Yeah. 727 00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:38.880 No. 728 00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:42.420 We just get as far as fleas and I think it's the time to stop 729 00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:43.260 right there. 730 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:48.420 Yeah, I mean, I think Village of the Angels is a problem because 731 00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:51.719 it doesn't end up being a story because it has that cliffhanger 732 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.460 and then sort of never comes back from it. 733 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.760 And so it's not a story that has any kind of resolution. 734 00:36:56.820 --> 00:36:58.260 I think within flux. 735 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.800 It's one of the 2 strongest episodes, I think. 736 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:09.659 But I guess once we've done Hyde, there's nothing particularly 737 00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:13.500 surprising in Village of the Angels, although it does get some 738 00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:17.699 points for having the psychometrograph thing draw an angel. 739 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:18.840 I thought that was pretty great. 740 00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:23.099 Squiggly lines, basically. things doing squiggly lines in the 741 00:37:23.099 --> 00:37:23.400 past. 742 00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:27.480 And it's showing it, and this is the heritage of the stone tape 743 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.280 and the potential equator map. 744 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:35.159 Yes, crossover, which was in early drafts before copyright issues 745 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:36.300 were pointed out, I think. 746 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.320 Yeah, and Nigel Neal famously hated Doctor Who. 747 00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:43.320 So there's no way his estate would ever give them... 748 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:46.559 The character of Koitsamass, wouldn't they? 749 00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:49.860 Doctor Who's about frightening children. 750 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.440 He wants to write about, he wants to unsettle adults. 751 00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:53.760 I think is the quote. 752 00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:58.860 Yeah, I think, like Xander has this thing about how, basically 753 00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:01.380 Quatumass is a bit reactionary. 754 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:05.639 You know, the that it's sort of foreigners and young people and 755 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:10.380 stuff where the threat is located and Doctor Who is the opposite 756 00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:10.800 of that. 757 00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:16.079 And so perhaps it's just as well that Professor Quademass isn't in 758 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:16.440 this one. 759 00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:18.900 Imagine him discovering that there's no threat. 760 00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:21.300 Nothing to see here. 761 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.340 In our head cannons. 762 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.679 Where do the monsters that aren't really monsters end up? 763 00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:28.440 Because, yeah, if this was Quaitamas, It would turn out that they 764 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.500 were actually infesting humanity since the dawn of time and we'd 765 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:32.400 all explode or something. 766 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.539 I think the doctor takes them to the planet of Kolkron again. 767 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.719 Yeah, everyone's there. 768 00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:41.760 Everyone says a big party going on. 769 00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:44.099 Yeah, yeah. 770 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.519 And the Grand Serpent's on Culcacron homes. absolutely. 771 00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:49.440 Not many people know that. 772 00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:52.619 If it was the stone tape, then that means Jessica Rain is playing 773 00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:56.159 Jane Asher's character from the stone tape, and Jane Asher, of 774 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.980 course, is a canonical Susan Foreman from the BBC's, whatever 775 00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:00.179 happened to Susan Foreman. 776 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.420 So there's a link there to, I like the idea of the actress who 777 00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:05.460 played Verity Lambert playing a character who's inspired by a 778 00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:08.519 character who was played by an actress. 779 00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:11.699 Oh, sorry, I lost, yeah, something like that, right? 780 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.619 I just like that. 781 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.539 She's Sarah Jane's replacement in whatever happened to she is. 782 00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:23.639 Well, it's basically an infinite universe. 783 00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:24.900 She is such a good actress. 784 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:25.320 Yeah. 785 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.820 And cake decorator too, which, I mean, what more could you want? 786 00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.099 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week. 787 00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:03.119 We'll be back next week to learn a valuable moral lesson about not 788 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.480 convincing your little brother he's a robot or something in 789 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.340 journey to the centre of the TARDIS. 790 00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:12.420 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 791 00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:15.539 and you can keep up with us at Flightthrough Entirety on Facebook 792 00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:18.599 at FTE Podcast on Twitter, and on our 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Which will very soon be the new series of maximum power, a Blake 7 806 00:41:02.219 --> 00:41:03.360 podcast of which you may have heard. 807 00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:06.179 And Si, where can people find you? 808 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:11.159 You can find me on Twitter, I'm at Psy underscore Heart. 809 00:41:11.219 --> 00:41:15.780 And you can also hear me on the new series of Maximum Power and 810 00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:17.639 many other Doctor Who podcasts. 811 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.659 Until next time, remember that I'm still a grown up and there's 812 00:41:21.659 --> 00:41:24.480 actually no need to keep holding my hand. 813 00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:26.159 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 814 00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:27.300 Good night. 815 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.559 Good night. 816 00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:29.340 Bye bye. 817 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:36.840 That was Flightthrough Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Siheart 818 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:38.400 Pete Lambert, and Corey McMahon. 819 00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:40.500 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 820 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:44.639 This episode, Ghost Reasons, was recorded on the 12th of June 2022 821 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:46.800 and released on the 25th of September. 822 00:41:47.340 --> 00:41:51.539 Most people don't know this, but many of Terry Nation scripts also 823 00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:53.579 had romantic endings that were changed in editing. 824 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.360 Imagine if we'd seen Android Sarah and Android Harry plugging in 825 00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.719 together, Battan and Severn walking off hand in hand into a 826 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.320 radioactive sunset, or Susan staying behind on Earth with someone 827 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:06.780 she actually had sexual chemistry with. 828 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.480 That could be an owl. 829 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.059 I've killed the podcast. 830 00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:18.599 Absolutely ultimate incoherent. 831 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.880 Just go out on Jane Asher and her cake. 832 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.980 It's an incoherent ramble that could break any podcast. 833 00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:27.420 That thing, in that Sarah Jane, in the in the Sarah Jane 834 00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:30.960 Adventures thing, kind of, she's a villain because she's replaced 835 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.780 Sarah Jane, and, you know, she's made a choice, and she's the 836 00:42:33.780 --> 00:42:37.559 choice is for her to live in Sarah Jane to die, and so she's bad. 837 00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:41.639 But there's that moment where she just says, it's my birthday. 838 00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.679 And I just... 839 00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:45.840 It's so heartbreaking. 840 00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:47.219 She's so good. 841 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.099 And Sarah says, when Sarah says you weren't meant to live, and 842 00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:52.980 she's like, well, do you mean I wasn't meant to live? 843 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.079 It's like, that's, yeah, yeah. 844 00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:55.980 Yeah. 845 00:42:56.460 --> 00:43:00.659 It's all of that time book too, which I really hate. 846 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.380 You know, that we have a moral responsibility to ensure that time 847 00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:05.820 goes the way that it goes. 848 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:13.619 It's just like the most miserable, centrist, you know, like... 849 00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:14.639 They just quote. 850 00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:17.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 851 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:18.239 That's it. 852 00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:19.800 Oh, dear. 853 00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:24.659 It's the one thing about Rosa that I don't like is that um, is 854 00:43:24.659 --> 00:43:27.719 that the doctor doesn't plant a bomb in the Alabama State House 855 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:33.780 and then just give the governor one chance and then he says no and 856 00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:35.940 then he gets the shit blown out of it. 857 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.059 That would be the other one. would improve that episode. 858 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.340 Yeah, of course, could at least do a happiness patrol and murder 859 00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:41.760 his pet. 860 00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:43.079 That would be the next best. 861 00:43:43.619 --> 00:43:45.179 Yeah, yeah. 862 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:46.739 He gets to find his dog. 863 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.300 Oh no, we can't do that. 864 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:54.840 I'm still upset about Mark of the Rani and obviously 7000000000 865 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.360 dogs at the end of Flux.