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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flighter Entirety.

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The only Doctor Who podcast that got thrown out of this morning's

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Christmas service for taking the doctor's advice too seriously.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Peter.

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I'm James.

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Well, it's Christmas Day again, embarrassing relatives, unfunny

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Christmas crackers, and a turkey, so undercooked that a decent vet

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would give it an even chance.

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But all the time, far away on trendsolore, whole centuries have

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been passing.

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It's the time of the doctor.

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I think this is another one of those episodes where a lot of

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people really dislike it a lot, and we're going to find ourselves

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saying how great we think it is, is that right?

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I had a journey with this episode.

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The Todd experience, the Todd journey.

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It kind of was the Todd experience.

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We talked in our snowman episode about the importance of context

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to enjoying an episode.

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And so when I watched this first, I was at home in London on

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Christmas Day in 2013 and I wasn't blown away by it.

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I kind of channelled my inner Jeremy Bentham.

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I was like, yeah, a bit of a curate, say, good in parts.

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But, you know, the roof was leaking and I think Emmerdale had been

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tedious and the chicken was undercooked or whatever.

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And I just didn't have a particularly good time and I didn't

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appreciate it for what it was.

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But then I went back to it a couple of months later and I thought

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I misjudged this.

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This is pretty good.

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And then I went back to it a year later and, you know, maybe

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something had changed.

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Maybe Emmerdale was good and maybe the chicken was cooked and the

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roof was fixed and stuff like that.

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But I thought, wow, this is really something special.

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Yeah, I love it.

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What about you, Tom?

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I think the anniversary sort of celebrations overshadowed this.

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So I was very much in the headspace of I loved day of the doctor

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the 5 doctors reboot, and, of course, an adventure in time and

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space.

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Space and time. get it wrong every time.

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And so they were all very much in my thoughts as being just

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glorious trio of adventures.

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And then this came along and, you know, I knew Matt was going and

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it was sort of like, oh, yeah, I liked it, but it was just sort of

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like it didn't blow me away.

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It was sort of like we're just tying off all the loose ends and

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we're getting to the end and I was just a little fanboy waiting

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for the next doctor really to arrive.

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I feel a bit like sort of the morning after the party.

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Maybe.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I just kind of, oh, yes, we're going to have.

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Oh, here are the Daleks and here are the cybermen.

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Here's the angels and here's the Santarans.

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Here's a crack in the wall.

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Yeah, and here are the silence.

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We're just putting everything we can in.

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And we don't have River song.

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We've got another character, strong female character who the

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doctor knows who can buy the Tartars, and I always quite liked it

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but it was sort of like, well, I can't believe it's not River song

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or somebody else.

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And so it's sort of like, you know, Matt's not returning.

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We've got to just wrap everything up and yeah, so I, you know, I

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liked it.

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But now, I love it.

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Ding, ding.

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James.

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I also had the Todd experience, I think.

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You're one of many.

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It's very popular.

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At the time, like it wasn't a great time in my life, like I had

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just gone through a really rough breakup.

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And so I think everything I watched on television from that time

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was coloured by that and I've never gone back to rewatch it until

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last night.

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Wow, okay.

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Because it just was tarnished by a really negative time in my

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life.

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And I really, really enjoyed it.

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I, yes, I mean, I think we all talk about this. you know, it's

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Moffatt desperately trying to wrap up all the plot strands from

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the last few years.

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It feels like a shopping list. but it's wonderfully directed

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gorgeously acted and fantastically scripted.

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I like it, and I think it is much better than most people say it

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is, but I do think there are elements of kind of Moffat failure

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mode visible in it.

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And so I think a lot of the sort of sitcom stuff at the beginning

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the voiceover, like papering over centuries with just all of

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Brady's voiceover, all of those seem like the sort of thing that

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you would do if you were kind of flailing to get the script done

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structurally it's a bit 1st draft.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I think what's there, though, is actually pretty great, and I

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think it needs to be kind of bumped up a bit, because this is a

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little bit like the girl in the fireplace in reverse, where you

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have Clara has a Christmas Day, in which she nips back to the

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planet Transzolore maybe 3 times at different times in the

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doctor's life.

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And so the doctor experiences centuries on this one day, but for

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Clara, it's just one Christmas day.

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And so I think it needed to be told from Clara's point of view

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rather than the doctor's point of view.

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And I guess it's Matt Smith Swan song and you want as much Matt in

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it as possible.

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But I do think that it kind of falls between 2 stools.

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It isn't quite what it could be.

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But I think what it is is pretty great.

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I mean, the plot is all a bit chuck it in and hold decides.

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But I honestly don't care.

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That's not what I'm here for in this episode.

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All of the answers that are given and all of the plot threads that

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are has to be said very loosely tied up.

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Don't really matter to me.

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I'm here for what the episode is for and that's Matt's farewell.

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Yeah, I don't think I would have minded if we didn't get those

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plot threads wrapped up.

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Same.

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And I don't quite know what Moffatt's doing here.

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Is he kind of making fun of the desire to have all of this sort of

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stuff sorted out?

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So, you know, he makes the silence genetically engineered

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priests.

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And, you know, he has all of Brady deal with all of the lingering

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plot threats from series 5 and 6 in just one reasonably short

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speech, which is kind of something that we could have worked out

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for ourselves.

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Maybe we didn't really need it.

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I think it's like the audience.

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We come to it, and we think, well, what about all those plot

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threads?

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And then when you're watching the episode, you realise it doesn't

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matter.

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What you're here for is the emotion of Matt leaving.

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And so what the story does, I think, is it boils down who the

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doctor is just to one very, very simple scenario.

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And this is what the doctor's life has always been, isn't it?

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He's looking after some people, silly people who are wandering

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around, living their lives and just wave after wave of ridiculous

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Doctor Who monsters attack them, and the doctor fights them off

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and then eventually he dies of old age.

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And in a sense, that's the doctor's story absolutely boiled down

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to its very essence.

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It's kind of like the pert we era, but instead of pert we

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defending the earth.

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It's the doctor defending this one village.

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Yeah, and we just get one episode of it too.

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And it's Moffatt actually really, really properly breaking the

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connection between the show and the doctor's life.

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So Matt Smith is the doctor for maybe a millennium, right?

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So he is the doctor for sort of 300 years between seasons 5 and

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six.

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Then we get 300 years. in the middle here.

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And then we get another whole bunch of 100s of years with the old

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doctor.

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And so the doctor's life looks nothing like the program.

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That's no way to talk about pinnacle.

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And handles is the doctor's longer serving companion.

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He's the doctor's companion for longer than anyone else at all.

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Yeah, more charisma than Vicky and prettier than Dodo.

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So handles is played, can I say?

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By my celebrity boyfriend, Cave Novak, who plays Nandor, the

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Relentless, in what we do in the shadows?

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Who's your ex, Chameleon?

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Gerald Flood was my ex.

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Yeah, and he's terrific.

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He's really good.

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It's a very kind of thankless part, but that bit where he dies, you

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know, waiting for the dawn is actually so great.

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It's got more impact than Adrick.

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Yeah, it's really good.

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It's because it's mad.

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You're on a role with one minus, Peter.

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I've got more impact than Patrick and he crashed into the

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dinosaur.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And he still didn't give any good information on the way out.

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No, it's that thing.

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It's the callback where the last thing that handles says is the

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you know, the reminder to connect the telephone to the console

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again.

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Clearly the random number was something like 157000000 um minutes

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between the doctor giving the reminder and him finally giving it.

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That's the end.

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And then Matt, the Matt, the way that Matt says, thanks, mate, or

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good on you, mate, or something like that is so touching and so

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understated.

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It is actually, it's kind of Moffatt kind of going, look, I can

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make you cry when a stupid cyberman head prop dies.

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Look at what I am capable of.

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Yeah, it's like, I think you've got a tear now, wait another 15

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minutes.

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Obviously, Stephen got my memo that he had to wrap up all the

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plot.

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And I lived for that.

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You were here for.

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That's what I was here for.

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And when that happened, it was like, oh, thank you.

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Just hand it to me on a plate.

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You've done a wonderful job.

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I don't care about anything else.

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But it's funny, isn't it, that it's done so quickly.

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And so efficiently.

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There wasn't really that much dangling, turns out.

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No, but I mean...

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I guess in the whole episode, you've got all the big monsters.

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And again, Stephen's not really interested in them.

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No.

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And I'm all about the hair, really.

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Can I just say Matt's hair, that wig is absolutely appalling.

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I just want to say that all I could...

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What about Clara's?

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Did you spot it as a wig or did you know going in that he would be

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wearing a wig?

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I think we knew, didn't we?

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We knew, and at the time, I didn't mind it, but coming back to it

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this time, all I could fixate on was the week.

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It was so stupid.

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What do you rips it off?

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Karen is wearing a wig, yes.

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Because she'd been nebula.

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And the doctor had been in something else.

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Matt had been in something else and so he had to have a buzz card

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or something like that.

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But it's kind of hilarious how how Stephen Moffatt just goes, all

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right, we're putting it in and we're going to make a joke about

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it.

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And the idea that the doctor was bored, and so he shaved his head

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just out of sheer bored.

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Yeah, like a perian mindwalk.

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Oh, bull.

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It's all happening here, everyone.

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But he does have delicate eyebrows.

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The delicate.

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So do I. He's really kind of a little bit embarrassed by that.

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No, they're just delicate.

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It's really funny.

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And also the thing where Clara says that the doctor has ears like

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rocket fins and he really likes that.

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Oh, I know.

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It's so great.

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But I'm wearing a wig thing.

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Like the way that the truth field is established is, again, in

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another really, really funny sitcom scene where he meets those

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people.

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They've got their stories all sorted out.

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And then the doctor just blurts out his entire backstory and then

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ends with, and I'm wearing a wig.

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It's so good.

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What's your name?

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Bossy control freak.

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He just has this snack, doesn't he?

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To be able to give you that humour.

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And give you information and set it all up.

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Like, it's just the way he covers his mouth like a child when he's

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just said something.

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It's such an unselfconscious performance, like right to the end. so

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good And the nudity thing, like the nakedness thing is clearly

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that Moffat went, oh, Matt's leaving, we have to have a scene

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where he's naked because all the fans will love it.

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Yeah, yeah, better on Corey McMahon.

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But also, he kind of thinks, you know, it's he described Matt

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Smith as an old man in the body of an underwear model.

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I'm sure that I've heard him say me as well.

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I wonder if Sheila Reid will be as amorous to you as she was to

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hear.

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Oh my god, I love her.

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They'll be coming round for you, coating twice and using someone

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else's voting box, both criminal offences.

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She is so good in that.

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And so we've got the nudity scene, which is just clearly just

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wanted to...

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But what they've done is they've made this stupid rule that you

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have to be naked at church for kind of no reason and then we just

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get all this sort of comedy nonsense about the nudity.

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And it's so hilarious where we come in and, you know, watching it

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now knowing what's going on.

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The doctor has created hologram clothes that are projected

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directly onto Clara's visual cortex, but not onto anyone else's.

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And so when he walks in, everyone's reaction to seeing him naked

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which we don't know is happening at the time is so funny

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particularly the father. he's hilarious Yeah, because Matt's like

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right next to him so he can't look a little to his right.

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Yeah, yeah, he's trying to look away.

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It's so wonderful.

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It's just terrific Is that really the same dad who was quite nice

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in the wings of Aakutan?

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It's a it's recast. isn't it Well, yes, isn't the dad in the rings

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a contend, like young?

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Young and short.

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He seems quite nice in the Rings of Actan. a bit of curmudgeon.

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Steens are not interested in Clara's parenting really.

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He's not interested in anyone's parents.

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Well, that's right, James.

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And so here again, it's just played for comedy.

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I do love the fact that the stepmother is just not liked by Clara

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or Gran, like that's very funny.

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But I do want to say something about like Stephen makes this whole

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nudity thing.

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Stephen makes things quite sexual and quite adult, right, in some

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ways.

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And I actually think, oh, I'm such a prude.

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Like, I do find it funny their reactions and everything like that

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but I just kind of go, oh, really?

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Like you have to make the doctor that stupid as to not, like we're

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going to Clara's family, Christmas.

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Surely they're going to walk around on the street.

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Surely he would not be that dumb.

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Well, he notices that it's causing some tension, the fact that

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he's naked.

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He eventually notices.

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But you know what I'm you know what I'm saying?

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Like surely would just say, okay, I'll just put a holographic

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thing on me and everybody will see it.

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Were you on board with the turkey being naked?

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I mean, the whole reason he's naked is for that comedy scene.

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I know, I know.

327
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I'm just being.

328
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Yeah, yeah.

329
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I'm just being mean.

330
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No, no.

331
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But where I just kind of, like, I just think it's a bit nap, like

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and I kind of bit over it.

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Like I just went, oh, we have to have a comedy mat moment where

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he's like, oh, all goofy and all that sort of stuff.

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It'll be over quite soon.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah, that's nearly done.

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So I'm just being a bit negative for a moment, but I do find it

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quite funny.

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Do you think Pertwee's doctor would occasionally just get up in

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the morning and forget to put clothes on while he was...

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When he's in that shower and Spearhead from Space, he's fully

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clothed. just don't know.

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That's right.

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I think that's the really funny.

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Joe Grant never minded.

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So we have this whole joke about nudity and the doctor and Clara

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both being naked, but we never see it because we see the projected

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clothes that aren't there.

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I just hear them talking about being naked.

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And again, it's Moffat playing with the difference between a

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television show and what's happening to the characters, which is

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kind of fun.

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Yeah.

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And like, you know, when they go to church and, you know, on

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Christmas morning. you know, thanking them for being naked and

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seeing chambers.

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Well, I mean, Jenna's got her arms crossed across her despite the

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fact that we see her wearing that top, particularly when she's

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menaced by the silence.

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We see her with her arms crossed.

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So she's playing it as if she thinks of herself being naked, which

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I think is kind of cute.

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So Tasha Lem, I guess, is here to kind of give some sort of

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background to the church that we 1st see in time of angels.

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She's kind of like the good flip side of Madame Cavarian, isn't

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she?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, and we learn that the Kavarian sect broke off from the church

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and travel back in time to fiddle about in series 6, I guess.

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I kind of love that whole, I know it's him wrapping up all these

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plot devices, but the fact that his last story is tied to his 1st

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season.

374
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Yeah, it's all the way back to series five, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that series 6 causes series five.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah Yes, that's really clever, isn't it?

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It's interesting.

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I think her performance is absolutely wonderful and it's such a

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shame that we don't get to see her earlier than what we do.

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We only get this one story, you know, and so she's not River

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song.

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She's not Madame Vastra.

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She's the next female in the doctor's life who's slightly older

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than what he is and knows how to pilot the TARDIS.

389
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Yeah, it has to be said she's not a 1000000 miles from River

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song.

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And there's sexual tension between them.

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Oh, definitely.

393
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Well, yes, certainly.

394
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And is it all over, babe?

395
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Is it all of Brady?

396
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Yeah, all of Brady.

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I've seen her in something recently, I think.

398
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Yeah, she's in Star Trek Picard.

399
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She's the Irish Romulan in Star Trek.

400
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She's only 12 years old.

401
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She's against ageing.

402
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She's fabulous in that.

403
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

404
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Yeah, yeah.

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I kept thinking, where have I seen you before?

406
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And then when I made back to this.

407
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Yeah.

408
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Yeah.

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No, I think she's a great character and it's such a shame that she

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has to be turned has to die as a dalek. and is only in this one

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episode.

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I really like that too.

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That's so moffity, though, isn't it?

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It's just like, and then I died.

415
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Oh, funny, the things that sleep your mind.

416
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Yeah, I died screaming your name.

417
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Yeah.

418
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Yeah.

419
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Yeah.

420
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And apparently she's died over and over again there.

421
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But again, that's series 7, right, back to the beginning of series

422
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7, where the Dalek suddenly can live inside people, which, again

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is sort of slightly stupid or whatever and not anything that we've

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ever gone back to, but it does make for pretty great visuals, I

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think.

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And also the body horror of that.

427
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Yeah.

428
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Yeah.

429
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I mean, from then on, she's got that little thing in her forehead

430
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where the Dalek eye stalk came out.

431
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And has been fighting off the Dalek inside her for 100s of years.

432
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Yeah, yeah.

433
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We talked about the structure of this episode earlier, but I quite

434
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like the fact that it starts off quite plotty and quite light and

435
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fun, and kind of gathers melancholy as it goes along.

436
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And so by this, you know, that 1st scene with the church is really

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played for laughs with the doctor and Tasha M. But when you come

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back, suddenly, as you said, it is body horror and it is quite

439
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grim and it feels like the episode stakes are getting higher.

440
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And for me, it's a journey through this episode.

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It starts off as your regular Christmas episode, and then it

442
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becomes something much deeper and more affecting.

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I think that the invention of trendsolore was a really, really

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great one.

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And it is completely tied up here.

446
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But the doctor has a starting point on Galifre, and then an ending

447
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point on Transalore, and we know that at some point the doctor's

448
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going to die, like that's definitely a thing that has to happen.

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And so having the doctor know about it here.

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And I think 2 trezilore is a good word.

451
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It is not a bad...

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Such a great name.

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And it's got the same rhythm as the name Gallifrey from Gallifrey

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to Trezilore.

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So the words work as a pair.

456
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And it wasn't all sorted out in name of the doctor.

457
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It's still out there waiting.

458
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And so it turns out that this silly comedy planet with its

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ridiculous inhabitants is trendsilore, which is going to turn into

460
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this terrible battlefield.

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And it's the Moffat thing as usual of saying, no, screw that.

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This might be destiny.

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It might be unalterable.

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This might be where the story has to go, but we're not doing it.

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We're going to have a better ending.

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And I really like that.

467
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The episode starts to slow down as it goes along.

468
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And so it starts off quite frenetic and quite plotty, and you

469
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think, is this going to go to the place where we're just dealing

470
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with all of the plot threads and things like that, but it goes to

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somewhere completely different.

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The weight of what's about to happen kind of bears down on the

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story, and it sort of narrows its focus down to the doctor and

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Clara, and then eventually just to the doctor, and there's

475
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something quite beautiful about it.

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Speaking of beauty, I think it is beautifully, beautifully shot.

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There's just some wonderful shots of the town Christmas.

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Like a bit from the tower all coming into it that I just think are

479
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just absolutely gorgeous.

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And whether they'd been attacked by angels as well, that entire

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sequence or wooden cybermen.

482
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You know?

483
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I just think that's one of the most beautiful things in this.

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The ageing makeup.

485
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Well, I think is done quite well.

486
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Are we talking about Clara again?

487
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I'll take that back.

488
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I think she's at her best here and her hair Tod is wonderful.

489
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Her hair is to die for, Peter.

490
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And I actually really love this and day of the doctor as stories

491
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for Clara after a strong start.

492
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She then went companion generic for quite a few episodes and I

493
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think these 2 have been really great for her character.

494
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Yeah, she resolves both of them.

495
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Doesn't she?

496
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Yeah, I really do like them a lot.

497
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And I kind of, by the way through this, I kind of wished that we'd

498
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had another 5 or 6 episode run with her and Matt leading up to

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this, right?

500
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I don't know how you could do it, but I just thought after day the

501
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doctor and the strength here as well, it would have been nice just

502
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to see that relationship develop and her character develop without

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the impossible girl thing hanging over ahead.

504
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And of course, the timing doesn't work because, you know, one's in

505
00:23:55.019 --> 00:23:58.259
November and one's in December and, you know, Matt's going.

506
00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:02.519
So I think it's a shame that we didn't get at least another bit of

507
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:03.539
a run with them together.

508
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:06.839
She's kind of at her most Sarah Jane here, isn't she?

509
00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:11.579
She's her most generic companion and she's brilliant. like the

510
00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:12.599
performance powers it.

511
00:24:12.660 --> 00:24:17.099
And Sean of all that kind of impossible girl, Blanus.

512
00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:20.160
She's just there to be the best companion she can be.

513
00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:21.599
And I'm on board with it.

514
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:26.519
That scene at the end, it's, remember she runs back to get a

515
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:30.299
Christmas cracker from the table, one of Linda's terrible

516
00:24:30.299 --> 00:24:34.140
Christmas crackers, which have poems rather than jokes in them.

517
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.859
Oh, pay that one. so appallingly good.

518
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.240
So good.

519
00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:43.799
And then the doctor is so frail that he can't pull the other end

520
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:48.900
of the Christmas cracker and she, you know, grabs his hand, grabs

521
00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:51.119
his end of the cracker and helps him to do it.

522
00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:55.380
And all of that, like the ageing makeup, I don't think ever really

523
00:24:55.380 --> 00:25:01.799
works properly, but because Matt's performance changes 300 years

524
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.859
later and then at his death, like they're quite distinct

525
00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:06.299
performances.

526
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.319
And because Matt does that so well, I think that helps sell the

527
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.720
ageing makeup, which I'm not a big fan of.

528
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:13.680
Absolutely.

529
00:25:13.740 --> 00:25:15.720
I mean, it's a tour de force from Matt.

530
00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:16.859
Yeah, yeah.

531
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:18.420
That'd be so great.

532
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:24.119
Yeah, so changing his performance throughout the entire story and

533
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:27.240
just little moments, like even when Clara comes back hugging the

534
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:31.440
TARDIS and that moment with them in front of it where they appear

535
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.119
to be cross and then they're not, you know?

536
00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:34.440
It's beautiful.

537
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:36.900
And that line, no wonder she's late dragging you around.

538
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.839
We should think ourselves lucky, though, with this makeup, because

539
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.420
we could have got a CG Dobby doctor again.

540
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:46.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

541
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.119
Oh, look, it's very old.

542
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:52.740
Well, even the tenant ageing makeup in that story is much worse

543
00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:55.140
than this ageing makeup.

544
00:25:55.259 --> 00:25:59.039
Tenant's not as much of an aesthetic old man as Matt is.

545
00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:02.099
Yeah, it's also he's sort of shrivelled and weird and like

546
00:26:02.099 --> 00:26:03.420
impossibly old and stuff.

547
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:05.339
And this is just Matt dying of old age.

548
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:10.619
And I think that's another interesting take as well, that the

549
00:26:10.619 --> 00:26:18.539
doctor just lives on until Christmas is safe and then he can die.

550
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.259
And so choosing to have him die of old age.

551
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.019
Like, did you ever have one of those sort of mental lists?

552
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:28.980
You know, it was like, well, uh, old age and then sentenced to

553
00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:35.279
regenerate by the time lords and then spider radiation and then

554
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:35.819
you know what I mean?

555
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:36.539
Did you ever have that?

556
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:37.680
Only ever in my head.

557
00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:41.819
And then it's kind of like where he just dies of old age, defending

558
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:42.180
this thing.

559
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.240
He defends it for all of his life and then dies.

560
00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:48.180
Yeah, we hit the end of time and my fanboy went, what, dying of

561
00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:49.200
radiation twice.

562
00:26:49.259 --> 00:26:49.740
Ben.

563
00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:53.279
It's simply not allowed.

564
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:58.500
I really liken this, the throwback to one of the most affecting

565
00:26:58.500 --> 00:27:02.400
moments in series one, which is the doctor sending Rose home

566
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:04.380
against her will.

567
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:07.380
And that packed a gut punch in parting of the ways.

568
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.839
And it does it again here twice.

569
00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:10.380
Twice.

570
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.240
She's so thick.

571
00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:15.359
And it hits differently because she falls for it.

572
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:16.259
Yeah, yeah.

573
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:20.940
It hits differently because Clara thwarts the 1st attempt and then

574
00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:24.299
she and we get tricked again the 2nd time.

575
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:25.200
You're not expecting it.

576
00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:27.660
And when she walks outside to see the towel block.

577
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:28.680
It just it really hits you.

578
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:31.859
I think that's one of the tower blocks that was used in the series

579
00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:32.460
one.

580
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.059
Yeah, I think that's the parting of the way he's fake rose tower

581
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:36.480
book.

582
00:27:36.539 --> 00:27:36.779
Yeah.

583
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.500
Yeah, it was one of the ones that was used for the power state.

584
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:40.859
Yeah.

585
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:41.460
Yeah.

586
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.579
And that line, I will never send you home again.

587
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:45.359
Yes.

588
00:27:45.420 --> 00:27:45.960
Yeah.

589
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.799
Yeah, she makes him say it and he just lies to her.

590
00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:50.940
Well, he's not lying.

591
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.099
He's already done it Yeah, yeah.

592
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:53.640
Yeah.

593
00:27:53.700 --> 00:27:54.299
Yeah.

594
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.160
But you're right, Todd.

595
00:27:56.220 --> 00:27:58.200
The episode looks absolutely beautiful.

596
00:27:58.259 --> 00:27:59.519
That location is amazing.

597
00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:02.519
And there's a really good look to the whole story.

598
00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:03.660
The costumes are great.

599
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.220
So all the inhabitants of Christmas look really great and not in

600
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:10.380
you know, they could have been in space overalls, but they're

601
00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:10.559
not.

602
00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:13.859
It's got a really distinctive visual style this episode.

603
00:28:13.980 --> 00:28:17.339
It's a little bit like a Christmas carol, I think.

604
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.779
It's sort of slightly Victorian.

605
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:19.559
Yeah, yeah.

606
00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:20.039
Yeah, yeah.

607
00:28:20.099 --> 00:28:20.460
Yeah.

608
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:21.900
Can we even get child actors?

609
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:22.619
Barnable.

610
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:23.940
Barnable, who's pretty good.

611
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.200
He is okay.

612
00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:26.039
That's a great name.

613
00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:27.180
It is fun book.

614
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.640
Is Bunnable a reference to 12th Night?

615
00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:32.519
No, I think I think it's a reference to Barnable Edwards.

616
00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:34.440
I think that's it.

617
00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:37.980
I think it's just sort of changed the name Barnaby or Barnaby

618
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:43.140
slightly to make it a sort of Bob Holmes kind of space name, I

619
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:43.380
think.

620
00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:45.359
Which are often the best space names.

621
00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:46.680
Oh, yeah, I know, absolutely.

622
00:28:46.740 --> 00:28:47.759
Well, like trends a lot.

623
00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:51.299
You can imagine homes coming up with trends of law, because it

624
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:54.180
just has a real rhythm to it and seems like a real word.

625
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.299
This episode just wouldn't have been the same if, you know, the

626
00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:59.819
doctor died on Rand's Core Av Coloss.

627
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:00.839
Exactly.

628
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:19.859
That village is, um, it's mostly real.

629
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:21.059
Wow, okay.

630
00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:22.859
It's a, what do they call it?

631
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:28.440
like a Fibua, a fighting in built up areas, training facility from

632
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:29.279
the Cold War.

633
00:29:29.339 --> 00:29:30.000
Oh, wow.

634
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.940
Based on like a German village.

635
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:33.599
Wow.

636
00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:37.559
So when you say that, do you mean like a fake town that soldiers

637
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:39.960
storm to practice for real towns?

638
00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:40.500
Yes.

639
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:41.039
Oh, I see.

640
00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:47.160
And it's interesting you say that you enjoyed the angels in the

641
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:47.640
forest.

642
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.599
That's puzzlewood from Time of Angels.

643
00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:52.740
Okay.

644
00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:54.119
It's flesh and stone.

645
00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:56.700
The forest in the middle of the space, yeah.

646
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.220
I remember our really interesting discussion about whether that

647
00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:00.539
was studio or location.

648
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.180
It was location.

649
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.819
They took the door out on location to the wood.

650
00:30:05.940 --> 00:30:07.079
Oh, wow.

651
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:09.839
So it really is a sort of greatest hits thing.

652
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:13.440
And I think that that's okay because it's not just cheap.

653
00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:16.859
It's not just, oh, here are some set pieces that we've done

654
00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:17.339
before.

655
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:23.640
It is, this is what the doctor's life is like and what he does.

656
00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:28.500
And I think that's absolutely the perfect thing to do to celebrate

657
00:30:28.500 --> 00:30:29.400
the end of an era.

658
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.900
I've forgotten about the Comedy Son Torrance, like their brief

659
00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:36.839
appearance because we'd had the tickerbox list of everything else

660
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.019
and then, you know, we just have to have them in there as well.

661
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.240
And it's 2 Dan Starkeys, isn't it?

662
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:42.960
I think so.

663
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:44.759
Both from the same gene pool.

664
00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:48.599
Yeah, the way they're shot by the church.

665
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:51.960
The church of the people means, what is it?

666
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:54.779
Church of the Silence apologises for your death.

667
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:58.859
And the relevant afterlives have been informed, I think, as well.

668
00:30:59.220 --> 00:31:03.900
That's like, uh, you will experience a tinkling sensation and then

669
00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:04.200
death.

670
00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:08.880
Don't we have reverse the polarity of the neutron flowers?

671
00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:13.259
No, so this is actually quite a clever beard and it's one last go

672
00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:16.079
at the, it doesn't do wood joke.

673
00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:18.000
It doesn't do turkey either.

674
00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:24.000
So he tells the cyberman that he's reversed the polarity of the

675
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:29.339
weapon so that the weapon will fire back at him and then the

676
00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:34.619
sideman goes, oh, okay, he's telling the truth, I will turn my

677
00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:35.759
weapon around again.

678
00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:39.839
But that's when the cyberman actually turns the weapon to face

679
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:40.259
himself.

680
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.859
So he tricks the sideman verbally into blowing a hole in the

681
00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:44.759
middle of himself.

682
00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:48.779
He doesn't actually do anything with the Sonic screwdriver because

683
00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:49.500
it doesn't do wood.

684
00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:51.480
I think that's sort of cool.

685
00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:55.200
And I think the wooden cybermen are just a brilliant visual and

686
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:56.640
why not use them here?

687
00:31:56.700 --> 00:32:00.059
Well, that likes doing different things with Simon, doesn't he?

688
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.420
So he had sort of, you know, the snapping helmet from Pandora

689
00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:06.539
opens and just the arm that was crawling around by itself and now

690
00:32:06.539 --> 00:32:06.960
they're wood.

691
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:09.779
Is that a very nice way to talk about Karen Gillan?

692
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:11.039
Now, now.

693
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.279
The crack in the wall is back.

694
00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:15.480
Yeah.

695
00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:19.500
And so we now know that that's been caused by Madame Cavarian.

696
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:25.259
So she sets series 5 in motion and it's the destiny paradox.

697
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:29.819
It's exactly what the people in Day of the Daleks experience that

698
00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:32.880
their attempts to thought something actually end up causing it.

699
00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:35.039
And so it's the one crack that's left.

700
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:41.339
Yes, which on the other side of that crack is Galifre.

701
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:42.000
Yes.

702
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.099
Which is why can bones.

703
00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:45.299
What?

704
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.099
That's why Ken Bones is doing the voiceover.

705
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:47.940
It is.

706
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:48.660
It's Ken Bones.

707
00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:49.740
Who's Ken Bones?

708
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:51.960
The general from Day of the Doctor.

709
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:52.859
Oh my goodness.

710
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:53.579
Is that?

711
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:54.059
Yeah.

712
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.039
Who will then show up in Hellbent?

713
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:56.519
Yeah.

714
00:32:56.579 --> 00:32:57.420
Yeah, heaven sent.

715
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.220
And regenerates into Tsai Miller.

716
00:32:59.279 --> 00:32:59.940
Yeah, wonderful.

717
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.519
So that's interesting, isn't it?

718
00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:06.299
Because now what is at risk is that the time war starts again

719
00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:07.920
after he fixed it.

720
00:33:08.099 --> 00:33:09.539
Is it?

721
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:10.859
Yeah, yeah.

722
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.599
So he fixes it in the previous story in Day of the Doctor, and

723
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.700
then he goes searching for Gallifrey.

724
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.559
And I think that that is why it might have been nice to have

725
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.900
another season with Matt.

726
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:26.940
Switching for Gala.

727
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.559
Yeah, because that looks like where we're heading.

728
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.740
Oh, because Handel says the planet's Galaframe.

729
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:36.420
Therefore, he's sensing the crack or galafre behind in the other

730
00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:38.099
realm or whatever it happens to be.

731
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.380
Yeah, the message is from Gallifrey.

732
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.440
So he assumes the planet is Gallifrey because the message is

733
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.039
Gallifrey.

734
00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:48.660
And come on, we've got the seal of wrestle on... from the 5

735
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:49.980
doctors, you know?

736
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:55.440
I just think all these tie backs, like not only from this era, but

737
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.519
from way back, it's very fanboy and it's very clever.

738
00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:04.319
And we've said it's a shopping list, but the structure of it, all

739
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.920
the lines, everything leaning to this point is just brilliant.

740
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.599
I think as well.

741
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:12.960
They could so easily have made the seal of Gallifrey look

742
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:13.800
completely different.

743
00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:16.559
And it does look better than it did in the 5 doctors.

744
00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:18.239
Ring of pearls.

745
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:19.739
Ring of pearls around the outside.

746
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.679
Like it's still supposed to be the same prop and he does steal it

747
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.599
from the master in the death zone on Gallifrey.

748
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:27.480
It such a perfect reference and they could have stuffed it up.

749
00:34:27.539 --> 00:34:32.880
They could have metabolist 3D. That's what's so hilarious is that

750
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:36.300
pertby takes it, therefore he's got that seal from that point.

751
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:39.360
It's been in his pocket for over 300 years, 100s.

752
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:40.980
Just occasionally going, oh, oh.

753
00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:46.500
The seal of Wrestleon, James.

754
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:48.059
I got the joke.

755
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.579
So what we have is the time war threatening to break out again

756
00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:56.699
after we fixed it in the previous story.

757
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.219
And so that just makes this even more important.

758
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:03.480
And there's one moment, the musical cue, that incredible musical

759
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:03.960
cue.

760
00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:05.219
Oh my god, the music in this.

761
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:06.360
Oh, it's good.

762
00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:11.519
It's so good because Murray gets to do all of his themes for, you

763
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:12.480
know, Clara.

764
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:13.679
Murray's greatest hits.

765
00:35:13.739 --> 00:35:14.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

766
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:16.380
He gets to do the Dalek theme.

767
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:18.900
He gets to do the music from Rings of Acherson when the

768
00:35:18.900 --> 00:35:20.039
regeneration happens.

769
00:35:20.099 --> 00:35:21.780
All of that stuff is all there.

770
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.860
But that triumphant moment where the crack appears in the sky, and

771
00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:27.719
we get that this is gala frame music.

772
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:32.579
There is that, but then that moment just before when Clara is

773
00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:39.840
talking to the crack and that swell of music behind it, if you

774
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.139
love him, and you should help him.

775
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.699
So good, isn't it?

776
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.300
Because they've been waiting there for 100s and 100s of years to

777
00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:48.840
come through.

778
00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:54.659
They're waiting for the doctor to give them his name and he

779
00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:55.559
doesn't do it.

780
00:35:55.619 --> 00:36:03.179
And then when Clara speaks to them, they go, yes, you're right, we

781
00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:06.780
just can't get through this time, we have to help him.

782
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.280
And so they abandon.

783
00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:13.079
They do the right thing and abandon their plans to come through

784
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.780
into our universe this way.

785
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:20.820
You know, they cause the problem and they decide to fix it after

786
00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:21.960
Clara speaks to them.

787
00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:27.480
And I also think that speech is unbelievably great because it

788
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.699
answers the name of the doctor question too.

789
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.500
His name is the doctor. that he's called that because that's what

790
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:35.039
he does.

791
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.880
That moment gets me every time.

792
00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:42.599
I've seen people online talking about crying at moments in Doctor

793
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:44.519
Who too frequently in my opinion.

794
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:46.860
If you're after an emotional catharsis, This is not the program

795
00:36:46.860 --> 00:36:47.280
for you.

796
00:36:47.340 --> 00:36:48.960
You know, get a grip.

797
00:36:49.019 --> 00:36:50.400
But I will pay that moment.

798
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:55.199
If you love him and you should, yeah, help him, that's speaking to

799
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:57.360
the audience as well, if you love him and you should.

800
00:36:57.420 --> 00:37:02.159
And I think it also is testament to Jenna's acting.

801
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:03.000
Oh, yeah.

802
00:37:03.059 --> 00:37:03.599
Yeah.

803
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:06.119
Like we can say what we want about how the character's written.

804
00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:11.400
But I just think she just continually nails it time and time

805
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:11.639
again.

806
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:13.860
She's emoting like hell to a green screen.

807
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:14.820
Yeah.

808
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:15.719
Yeah, yeah.

809
00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:17.519
She's talking to the wall, you know.

810
00:37:17.579 --> 00:37:20.639
But even early, I think when, doesn't she say now it's time for

811
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.940
one last bow, 11th hour is over now.

812
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.619
The clock is striking 12. isn't that?

813
00:37:25.619 --> 00:37:26.340
Is that her dialogue?

814
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.239
Does she read it?

815
00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:27.900
She does.

816
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:29.519
She reads the the cracker message.

817
00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:31.440
Yeah, from the fake poet.

818
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:33.059
I think that's so funny.

819
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.539
So the way that's set up is that Linda has brought these classy

820
00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:37.800
Christmas crackers.

821
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.079
And, like, shout out to Linda for a second.

822
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:44.519
Moffat doesn't normally do the sort of Annalise Neres kind of

823
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:45.239
character.

824
00:37:45.300 --> 00:37:48.420
But this is probably as close as he gets with Linda.

825
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:54.059
And we had all that stuff about Ellie, like Clara's mother dies

826
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:58.320
and we see the grave side and all of that sort of thing early in

827
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:03.119
series 7B, and now he's her father with this horrible, horrible

828
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:04.139
stepmother.

829
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:08.159
Such a shame we don't get those 5 or 6 episodes looking for

830
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.300
Galafray and having them as and Gran as supporting characters.

831
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:13.679
Hollow, big finish.

832
00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:18.960
That's the missed opportunity for me is that the structure of

833
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:24.780
series 7. means that you get that mini season, then a big gap, then

834
00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:29.280
the 2nd half, then the anniversary, then the Christmas special.

835
00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:33.960
If only maybe they'd push things back and we could have had more

836
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:39.420
episodes between the anniversary and the next Christmas special. so

837
00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:40.860
that there would be more room to breathe.

838
00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:45.420
I guess the problem is, isn't it that Moffatt wasn't expecting

839
00:38:45.420 --> 00:38:46.860
Smith to leave?

840
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:50.699
and everything was kind of falling to the ground a bit.

841
00:38:50.699 --> 00:38:54.000
Even though he told him, I will only do 3 years and he was not

842
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.980
contracted after name of the doctor.

843
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:56.579
Yeah.

844
00:38:56.579 --> 00:38:59.940
I mean, I could be wrong on this, but as far as I'm aware, Matt

845
00:38:59.940 --> 00:39:03.719
wasn't contracted beyond his 3 seasons and so he did the day of

846
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.300
the doctor as a favour, basically.

847
00:39:06.300 --> 00:39:08.460
He didn't have to do that. contractually obliged.

848
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.460
And I think Matt might have wanted to leave in Day of the Doctor

849
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:14.280
so he might have wanted to come back and go and Stephen kind of

850
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.099
twisted the friendship arm a little bit and said, no, no, let's do

851
00:39:17.099 --> 00:39:18.780
another episode like Christmas episode.

852
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:19.860
I will write you a really good story.

853
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.099
And Matt, again, just because he's a good guy and he had

854
00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:25.679
allegiance to the program, Stephen said, yeah, okay, I'll do

855
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:25.860
that.

856
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.099
And so we were really lucky that we got this episode to say

857
00:39:29.099 --> 00:39:29.940
goodbye to Matt.

858
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.139
I agree with you.

859
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.619
I think everything that Stephen's been doing is leading up to this

860
00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:35.880
50th anniversary.

861
00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:39.840
All the problems with that and the way he got around it and how

862
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:41.460
that ties together.

863
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:45.000
And we've mentioned like this is, well, Nathan, you talked about

864
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.599
the fact that there's kind of Moffat failures within this and this

865
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:53.400
could be a 1st draft, but even if it is a 1st or 2nd draft, it's

866
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:57.539
still quite amazing how we can then leapfrog onto this and bring

867
00:39:57.539 --> 00:40:01.980
all of this stuff together format for everybody and do it in a way

868
00:40:01.980 --> 00:40:07.199
that I think perhaps only he or even Russell can do, you know?

869
00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:11.760
Yeah, I mean, I think he does a better job than Russell does

870
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:15.599
because I think Russell, in the end of time, parts one and 2 is

871
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:17.880
running on fumes at that point as well.

872
00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:22.079
And both Moffat and Russell can write really great stuff under

873
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:23.880
really trying circumstances.

874
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.659
But I have to say that I like this a lot more than I like the end

875
00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:28.139
of time.

876
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:31.920
And I like the end of time quite a lot more than other people do, I

877
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:32.099
think.

878
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.320
That's your 1st draft.

879
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.480
Yeah, I mean, I 1st draft.

880
00:40:36.539 --> 00:40:37.980
I think I think...

881
00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:41.880
Yeah, I think there are the sort of things that disappear, like

882
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:44.699
artificers like voiceovers and stuff like that.

883
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:45.840
Oh, no, no.

884
00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:50.460
But what I'm saying is this is a rush job. written at the 11th

885
00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:50.880
hour.

886
00:40:50.940 --> 00:40:55.260
You're struggling to get this out in time because you're running

887
00:40:55.260 --> 00:40:58.980
on fumes and you've had all these production problems. is still

888
00:40:58.980 --> 00:40:59.880
bloody good.

889
00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:00.900
Oh, yeah, yeah.

890
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.199
Like, that's testament to his ability as a writer.

891
00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:10.440
Sandophus thing about how Bob Holmes could write Doctor Who in his

892
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.599
sleep and...

893
00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:13.980
We know that.

894
00:41:15.059 --> 00:41:17.579
I think that that's the same thing here.

895
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.900
Moffat's mission more...

896
00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:23.460
Holmes ever did.

897
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:28.500
He hasn't quite reached that point here, but he will reach that

898
00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:32.340
point in Capaldi's 2nd season where he's written more Doctor Who

899
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:33.059
than anyone else.

900
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:38.039
So I'm not willing to say that this is the best thing that Stephen

901
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:39.780
Moffat has ever written.

902
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:44.039
Comes close in parts, but I think what it is is the most heartfelt

903
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:44.400
thing.

904
00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:47.940
It's not only about his love affair with the show and the doctor

905
00:41:47.940 --> 00:41:52.199
as well as Clara's and ours, but it's informed by Stephen's

906
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.880
friendship with Matt.

907
00:41:53.940 --> 00:41:57.719
And he's kind of his disconsolation at losing him from Doctor

908
00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:58.139
Who.

909
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.139
And because Clara feels the same and because we in the audience

910
00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:04.800
feel the same, the episode kind of transcends your typical goodbye

911
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:05.699
to a doctor.

912
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.000
It's about growing older and it's about change being the only

913
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:09.659
constant.

914
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.260
You know, that line, we all change. all different people through

915
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:13.920
our lives.

916
00:42:13.980 --> 00:42:14.940
That's okay.

917
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.099
In this instance, in particular.

918
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:19.980
I don't think we're ready for things to change, and we're not

919
00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:22.440
ready for Matt to leave the program, so it hurts on a level.

920
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:25.440
And so seeing him reduced to a frail old man who's kind of

921
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.900
shouting at the Daleks to get off his lawn.

922
00:42:28.619 --> 00:42:32.280
Stephen just taps into that and there's no disguising the fact

923
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:33.659
that he's writing it from the heart.

924
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:34.380
Yeah.

925
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:39.480
It is that here is the doctor living out his life, fulfilling his

926
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.099
absolute mission statement and just getting the essence of the

927
00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:45.840
program happening in the story.

928
00:42:46.019 --> 00:42:53.039
There are moments in that final speech from Matt where it feels

929
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:58.619
like he can't look at the camera because he's on the verge of

930
00:42:58.619 --> 00:42:59.039
tears.

931
00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:03.000
That weird thing where he moves his hands around.

932
00:43:03.059 --> 00:43:06.300
Like he does some very strange... he makes some very strange

933
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:09.780
choices in that final speech and I think they're great.

934
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.139
There's a little pause there before he embarks on the very final

935
00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:15.420
bit of the speech where he just kind of looks at Clarence, like

936
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:17.639
he's gathering his strength to deliver those last lines.

937
00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:24.599
It's so much better than what Capoldi gets to do, which, again, is

938
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:29.039
another, will get there, but it's another Moffat running on empty

939
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:34.019
script where he just relies on the fact that Capoldi can give a 10

940
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:37.440
minute speech with no problems at all and then just flings one in

941
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:38.099
his direction.

942
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.420
Whereas this one is about who the doctor is every bit as much as

943
00:43:42.420 --> 00:43:47.760
Capoli's final speech is, but it's just a lot better.

944
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:07.800
And then we get the regeneration energy as like an atomic bomb.

945
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.860
Bigger and better than ever before.

946
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.360
Well, he's been holding it in.

947
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:14.639
You say that's what happens when you hold it in.

948
00:44:14.699 --> 00:44:18.599
And it's the 1st regeneration that sort of happened outside the

949
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:20.099
TARDIS as well.

950
00:44:20.219 --> 00:44:24.059
And I think that's really terrific.

951
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:26.099
It's just this tiny breath, isn't it?

952
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:27.000
He takes this.

953
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.840
It's this little breath, the crack opens, we get the music, that

954
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.800
little sort of tiny wisp of regeneration energy, and then it

955
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.380
suddenly it's like lava pouring out of his arms.

956
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:38.940
It's so tremendously gray.

957
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.719
That's because he got topped up with a fuel that he didn't

958
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:43.320
actually need.

959
00:44:43.619 --> 00:44:45.840
No, I refuse to...

960
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:46.980
No, that's not Canada.

961
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.760
So it's that, you know, whole new cycle of regeneration.

962
00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:52.380
That's something that we haven't talked about either.

963
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.780
We discover in this episode that Matt Smith has been the last

964
00:44:57.780 --> 00:44:59.820
doctor all along.

965
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:05.579
And it's clear that that's just an idea that he's had for this

966
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:09.780
story because there is talk of the possibility of him regenerating

967
00:45:09.780 --> 00:45:12.179
and things during the era.

968
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:18.900
So here we've decided that all along the doctor has known that

969
00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:21.239
this is his last go at things.

970
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.079
Because we've got the war doctor and 10 had a...

971
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:26.219
Another generation.

972
00:45:26.219 --> 00:45:27.300
Vanity issues.

973
00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:30.780
And I think that's genius.

974
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:32.099
I think that's so good.

975
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.760
So making the doctor dying of old age.

976
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:38.099
Like, this is the doctor dying.

977
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:41.880
It's not just, oh, Matt Smith's doctor will just regenerate and

978
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:42.480
it'll be different.

979
00:45:42.539 --> 00:45:45.179
This is him facing death in a way that Tenant wasn't.

980
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.539
Remember, Tennant had to give us that gloopy speech about how you

981
00:45:48.539 --> 00:45:51.000
die and then another man saunters away in your place.

982
00:45:51.059 --> 00:45:54.059
Here it's real actual death that he's facing.

983
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.340
But the other thing too is as fans.

984
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.460
Like if you just regenerated, then you'd be going, oh, well, this

985
00:45:59.460 --> 00:46:01.260
is the last regeneration.

986
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:01.860
That's it.

987
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.940
So is that going to be sort of looming over the series or the

988
00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:08.760
doctor and all of his moves for the next, you know, a couple of

989
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:09.059
years.

990
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:12.900
This way it's just sort of, well, yes, this is the last one and

991
00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:14.099
now we've solved that problem.

992
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:15.239
He's got a whole new cycle.

993
00:46:15.300 --> 00:46:15.659
Boom.

994
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.039
In fact, Russell sort of half-heartedly tries to solve the problem

995
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.119
in the Sarah Jane adventures because Clyde, I think, asks Matt

996
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:25.019
Smith's doctor.

997
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:26.579
Is it Matt Smith or tenants?

998
00:46:26.579 --> 00:46:27.599
He wants both of them.

999
00:46:27.659 --> 00:46:30.179
How many times do you get to generate?

1000
00:46:30.179 --> 00:46:32.579
And he says 506 or something.

1001
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:37.320
And, you know, the 12 regeneration limit was a throwaway line of

1002
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:42.599
exactly the same type, but it stuck and everyone, you know, it

1003
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:44.760
happened during a, it happened.

1004
00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:49.440
Well, so it's in deadly assassin that it comes up, but then we

1005
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.559
move to a version of the program that's in love with its own

1006
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:58.980
mythos, and so it turns that Bob Holmes throwaway line into, you

1007
00:46:58.980 --> 00:47:01.260
know, an inviolable canonical rule.

1008
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.539
And so it's nice that that goes away here.

1009
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:07.619
We don't need it anymore.

1010
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.380
And this is fanwank kind of done correctly.

1011
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:13.320
Yeah, something, which, you know, it's just fan law, which the

1012
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.260
wider public wouldn't care about, and which we really shouldn't

1013
00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:19.800
care about, but it becomes integral to the episode and it becomes

1014
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:21.780
part of the dramatic thrust of the episode.

1015
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.079
Well, I mean, it is the fact that the doctor is living out his

1016
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:25.619
life.

1017
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:28.619
He doesn't have a regeneration ahead of him.

1018
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:33.780
He's staying Christmas for 100s of years and he doesn't get to

1019
00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:36.539
turn into someone else and walk away once the problem's...

1020
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:37.980
I've had Christmas days like that.

1021
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.340
Maybe this should have been called the 12 Regenerations for

1022
00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:41.639
Christmas.

1023
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:44.159
It was originally going to be called 12th Night.

1024
00:47:44.219 --> 00:47:47.219
No, well, I think that that should have been what Capoldi's final

1025
00:47:47.219 --> 00:47:48.780
episode was called too.

1026
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.659
I was slightly disappointed by Twice upon a Time.

1027
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.400
Although that's nice.

1028
00:47:53.460 --> 00:47:56.639
This is such a lovely bookend to Matt Smith. would have been nice

1029
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.260
if it was 11th hour, 12th night.

1030
00:47:58.320 --> 00:47:58.619
Yeah.

1031
00:47:58.619 --> 00:47:58.920
Yeah.

1032
00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:00.420
Yeah, that would have been.

1033
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.920
So I think when you were saying earlier, Nathan, about Capaldi's

1034
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:06.780
regeneration can't really stack up to this one.

1035
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:11.159
I think making any comparison to this regeneration is pretty much

1036
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:12.239
a difficult thing to do.

1037
00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:13.320
I think this might be the best.

1038
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:16.920
And it starts from that moment where the doctor's on top of the of

1039
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:17.880
the church tower.

1040
00:48:17.940 --> 00:48:21.300
And then it all quietens down and we're left in the aftermath and

1041
00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:24.659
you've just got Clara with a lot of trepidation kind of picking

1042
00:48:24.659 --> 00:48:28.380
her way towards the TARDIS and going inside and we share that

1043
00:48:28.380 --> 00:48:29.039
trepidation.

1044
00:48:29.099 --> 00:48:30.960
We don't know what we're going to find.

1045
00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:36.179
And, like, you can feel it swelling up inside you because you know

1046
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:38.460
that you're approaching the moment of regeneration.

1047
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.760
And I don't think we've ever had that kind of that emotional

1048
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:42.780
catharsis.

1049
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.739
Maybe Planet of the Spiders in the classic series when the TARDIS

1050
00:48:46.739 --> 00:48:48.719
reappears and Sarah Jane and the Brigadier are there.

1051
00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:51.840
You know the moment of generation is coming and it's almost

1052
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:52.619
unbearable.

1053
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:56.159
It's interesting because like, you know, as they shoot it with him

1054
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.219
walking up the stairs in the Tartars.

1055
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:00.659
Like, I just expected it.

1056
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:03.239
I thought, well, is it?

1057
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:04.440
or is it Capaldi?

1058
00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:07.619
Like, I mean, surely, is that is going to be Matt in the old age

1059
00:49:07.619 --> 00:49:09.420
makeup is going to be the Matt we know?

1060
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:13.679
That energy's happened like based on what's happened twice before

1061
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:14.940
then he should have changed.

1062
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.019
So when you get that code of scene with him, you know, saying his

1063
00:49:19.019 --> 00:49:22.920
final lines, and then looking at the vision of the fake young

1064
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:28.500
Amelia, walking around, running around, where because Caitlin's a

1065
00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:28.920
teenager.

1066
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:29.940
She's too old.

1067
00:49:30.059 --> 00:49:31.320
Yeah, it's 82.

1068
00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:36.539
So it's like she's too small and she's too thin. for that.

1069
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:42.719
Every time I see that, I kind of go, mm, I just, I just go, mm

1070
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.599
could you have got a different child actor who was a bit more?

1071
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:46.739
Or just shock it slightly differently?

1072
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.019
Same body shape, like it just annoys me.

1073
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:53.760
But then looking up and when Karen suddenly comes into shot, like

1074
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:55.260
I mean, that just got to me.

1075
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:56.400
Yeah, totally.

1076
00:49:56.460 --> 00:49:57.539
It's funny.

1077
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:03.780
Do you think that we have Matt Smith in ageing makeup so that when

1078
00:50:03.780 --> 00:50:08.039
Matt regenerates into Capaldi, we're not kind of sort of horrified

1079
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:11.400
by the fact that he's suddenly aged 30 years?

1080
00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:14.760
Nathan, I look in the mirror every morning, nothing horrifies me.

1081
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:19.739
I don't Old manhands.

1082
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:20.639
What did that happen?

1083
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:27.239
Yeah, so I, like, I think that the decision he makes is right, that

1084
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:31.320
he gives Matt a final scene without the ageing makeup so that he

1085
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:35.940
can just be the Matt that we know, that he has some throwaway line

1086
00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:38.880
about how it's a reset or whatever, like who cares?

1087
00:50:38.940 --> 00:50:42.119
It's space reasons and we just deal with it really quickly.

1088
00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:46.500
The real reason is that we allow Matt to die of old age.

1089
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.019
We allow his doctor to die of old age.

1090
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:53.159
Then we get the mat that we know saying the farewell speech, and

1091
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:54.780
then we suddenly get Capaldi.

1092
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:59.460
But we get Karen, we get the bow tie coming off, you know, makes a

1093
00:50:59.460 --> 00:50:59.820
sound.

1094
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:03.179
Not a digetic sound, but it's a sound in the music when he pulls

1095
00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:05.760
the tie off and drops and then false the floor.

1096
00:51:05.820 --> 00:51:06.719
Yeah, it's so good.

1097
00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:10.559
All of his instincts are right in this regeneration scene.

1098
00:51:10.619 --> 00:51:14.099
It's just, it's so gorgeously written and it kind of gives full

1099
00:51:14.099 --> 00:51:17.880
expression to Stephen's sadness, I think, at losing Matt.

1100
00:51:17.940 --> 00:51:19.860
It's the saddest regeneration.

1101
00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:24.059
If there's something that can be said about the production of this

1102
00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:24.480
era.

1103
00:51:24.539 --> 00:51:31.260
This early era with Moffatt is that it was a family production.

1104
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:37.679
You know, like, he evidently got on very well with his leads, you

1105
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:45.300
know, like Matt, Karen and Arthur and Stephen were like really

1106
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:46.139
really close.

1107
00:51:46.139 --> 00:51:54.960
And really the show that he created in 2010 has been dying.

1108
00:51:55.019 --> 00:51:57.300
And I don't mean that in a negative way.

1109
00:51:57.360 --> 00:51:57.780
No, no, no.

1110
00:51:57.780 --> 00:52:01.019
Again, it's like pertly era kind of being stripped away a bit like

1111
00:52:01.019 --> 00:52:01.260
that.

1112
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:01.739
Yeah, exactly.

1113
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:08.340
This is an analogue to season 11, really. is that that version of

1114
00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:11.159
the show has been dying for the last season.

1115
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:16.019
Like, this has been a really drawn out kind of stripping away of

1116
00:52:16.019 --> 00:52:17.639
these characters.

1117
00:52:17.699 --> 00:52:19.079
Yeah, yeah.

1118
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.500
Yeah, we've lost River Song most recently.

1119
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:26.280
We even lost like, you know, the Tartis console room that we knew

1120
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:28.860
even though this one is better. you know, the bits being taken

1121
00:52:28.860 --> 00:52:29.099
away.

1122
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:29.699
Yeah.

1123
00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:31.320
Yeah, maybe that's it.

1124
00:52:31.380 --> 00:52:35.639
Maybe that's why the closest analogue is the... is the per to a

1125
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.820
era, because the per to year is the only era of the show with that

1126
00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:41.820
expanded regular cast and a home base.

1127
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:45.780
It's the only era of the show that has enough that you could

1128
00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:48.539
gradually strip it away and still have a functioning show.

1129
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.900
And when I said earlier that I think this is the saddest

1130
00:52:51.900 --> 00:52:55.139
regeneration, the only other contender, as I said, I think, is

1131
00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:57.179
planet of the spiders, and it's for the same reason.

1132
00:52:57.659 --> 00:53:02.699
Very true And then you get Peter appearing.

1133
00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:09.659
And I think that he looks really old. and haggard.

1134
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.239
Like, I really think he's badly lit in this.

1135
00:53:12.300 --> 00:53:16.079
Like, I just think he just looks washed out and appalling and he

1136
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.320
actually looks better later on in his run than at this point.

1137
00:53:19.380 --> 00:53:22.500
I don't know if it's the lighting of the Tardis or what.

1138
00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:25.619
But when I watch it again, it's like, oh, good grief.

1139
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.380
And I love him, but I'm thinking, what do people are going to

1140
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:31.260
think about this going from a really young hot doctor and having 2

1141
00:53:31.260 --> 00:53:34.679
young doctors in a row suddenly to somebody that is your grandpa.

1142
00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:36.599
He's 55.

1143
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.079
Or closer to Maya.

1144
00:53:41.940 --> 00:53:48.119
I mean, that's the often cited fact is that he's the same age as

1145
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:51.420
Hartnell was when he was cast as Doctor Who.

1146
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.340
I agree.

1147
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:57.960
Like he, he, he, it's not just the contrast between a 20 something

1148
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.980
year old actor and a 50 something year old actor.

1149
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:03.480
It is badly laid.

1150
00:54:03.539 --> 00:54:06.360
He looks so much better in series 8.

1151
00:54:06.420 --> 00:54:07.380
Right.

1152
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:08.940
And that's not an ages thing.

1153
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.400
Like, I just think it's, there's something going on with the

1154
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:12.000
lighting, maybe.

1155
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.119
Or the makeup or the makeup or they didn't have time.

1156
00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:17.760
It was a rush job.

1157
00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:20.579
I have to say, though, that I really like it.

1158
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:25.139
You remember when Davison turns into Colin Baker and it happens

1159
00:54:25.139 --> 00:54:29.820
just like that, like he's lying down in his Davis and then he sits

1160
00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:31.500
up and suddenly his baker.

1161
00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:33.300
Yes, you're right.

1162
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:34.320
That shocked me.

1163
00:54:34.380 --> 00:54:36.059
So much of the time it's like, boom.

1164
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.619
Suddenly I went, oh, that's it?

1165
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:38.400
That's the change.

1166
00:54:38.460 --> 00:54:39.119
Yeah, yeah.

1167
00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:41.099
Because we'd had all of that stuff before.

1168
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.559
We couldn't do another one of him standing there with stuff

1169
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.739
pouring out of him again because we already had that to destroy

1170
00:54:46.739 --> 00:54:47.579
the Tartars.

1171
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:51.179
So having the doctor just kind of fall out of frame and then

1172
00:54:51.179 --> 00:54:55.800
suddenly, suddenly look up and it's Capoldi is so shocking and so

1173
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:56.639
funny, I think.

1174
00:54:56.699 --> 00:54:58.320
With his attack eyebrows.

1175
00:54:58.380 --> 00:54:59.460
Yeah, yeah.

1176
00:54:59.460 --> 00:55:00.599
It's off putting.

1177
00:55:00.659 --> 00:55:01.380
Yeah.

1178
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.179
And I think it is deliberately, though.

1179
00:55:03.300 --> 00:55:06.840
The same way that Colin Baker's initial appearance is meant to be

1180
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:07.380
off putting.

1181
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:11.460
It gives you the right energy for Capaldi's 1st moments because

1182
00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:14.400
he's really intense and it would be difficult to go to that from a

1183
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:17.400
lying on the ground, energy pouring out of him.

1184
00:55:17.460 --> 00:55:18.539
You would need to snap into it.

1185
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:19.559
Yeah, yeah.

1186
00:55:19.619 --> 00:55:20.639
And it is really funny.

1187
00:55:20.699 --> 00:55:22.619
I'm not sure about the kidneys line.

1188
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.260
I think it is perhaps... somewhere...

1189
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.119
I read somewhere that those lines were improvised.

1190
00:55:27.179 --> 00:55:27.719
Oh really?

1191
00:55:27.780 --> 00:55:29.400
Yeah, which seems strange.

1192
00:55:29.460 --> 00:55:31.980
Surely you wouldn't just leave your leading actor to improvise

1193
00:55:31.980 --> 00:55:32.880
their 1st line.

1194
00:55:32.940 --> 00:55:37.260
But the can you fly this thing, like ending it that way and just

1195
00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:40.380
the shock on Clara's face at what's just happened.

1196
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:45.119
Which we will be discussing in the future.

1197
00:55:45.179 --> 00:55:49.079
We will. that's right But it may mean, you know, everything is set

1198
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:53.880
up here, you know, um, Clara walking to the Tartars and finding

1199
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:54.480
the phone.

1200
00:55:54.539 --> 00:55:56.699
Yeah, yeah, hanging the phone up.

1201
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:57.719
Hanging the phone up.

1202
00:55:57.780 --> 00:55:59.159
Oh, and he must have fixed the phone.

1203
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.679
When Handel said, that's right.

1204
00:56:01.739 --> 00:56:02.699
Yeah, he's fixed the phone.

1205
00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:07.860
So there's, you know, Stephen is clever and there's things in this

1206
00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:09.960
that will pay off next time.

1207
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:12.539
And it's what I like when there's little things like this rather

1208
00:56:12.539 --> 00:56:17.639
than suddenly out of the blue, having to retrofit things into

1209
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:18.360
plot.

1210
00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:21.480
When little things like this are set up and the woman in the shop

1211
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:27.000
several episodes ago, moving forward, there's going to be a payoff

1212
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:28.980
and I like that, you know?

1213
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:33.659
You know, Stephen is sometimes labelled a clever clogs writer, and

1214
00:56:33.659 --> 00:56:35.699
actually, like I said, Todd, he's just clever.

1215
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.420
His detractors try to make out that he's kind of a bit cynical and

1216
00:56:39.420 --> 00:56:42.780
a bit plot twisty and that's his thing and he can be.

1217
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:43.679
He is those things.

1218
00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:48.420
But here he's those things, but he's also kind of genuine and

1219
00:56:48.420 --> 00:56:50.099
rawly emotional.

1220
00:56:50.099 --> 00:56:52.739
And I think that's what powers this episode for me.

1221
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:54.179
It's what makes it one of the best.

1222
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.280
Well, there, listener, that's all we have time for this

1223
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:17.880
Christmas.

1224
00:57:17.940 --> 00:57:21.300
We'll be back on New Year's Day to bring the 11th hour to an end

1225
00:57:21.300 --> 00:57:23.460
in our Matt Smith retrospective.

1226
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:29.400
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1227
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.099
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1228
00:57:32.099 --> 00:57:35.639
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1229
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.820
Entirety.com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts

1230
00:57:38.820 --> 00:57:42.960
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1231
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:43.860
Trek project.

1232
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:48.000
Until next time, may you never forget all the people that you used

1233
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:48.360
to be.

1234
00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:51.059
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1235
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.199
See you soon.

1236
00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:53.219
Merry Christmas.

1237
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:54.599
Raggedy man.

1238
00:57:54.659 --> 00:57:55.500
Good night.

1239
00:57:59.940 --> 00:58:03.780
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Wilby, Nathan

1240
00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:05.820
Bottomley, Peter Griffith, and James Selwood.

1241
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:07.920
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lann.

1242
00:58:07.980 --> 00:58:11.820
This episode, to have a better ending, was recorded on the 11th of

1243
00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:14.639
September 2022 and released on Christmas Day.

1244
00:58:18.179 --> 00:58:21.179
Thank you, dear listener for joining us this year.

1245
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:26.099
We'll see you again on New Year's Day, but until then, as always, a

1246
00:58:26.099 --> 00:58:27.719
happy Christmas to all of you at home.

1247
00:58:36.780 --> 00:58:38.400
I'm gonna press record.

1248
00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:39.179
That way, we have to talk.

1249
00:58:40.500 --> 00:58:50.940
The, uh, the tag is, uh, you talking about, no, you talking, like

1250
00:58:50.940 --> 00:58:54.840
I think Brandon says, because there's 2 grandfathers in Rings of

1251
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:55.619
Ackerton, right?

1252
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:58.619
And, uh, most gracious.

1253
00:58:58.679 --> 00:58:59.519
Exactly.

1254
00:58:59.579 --> 00:59:03.360
Because the doctor mentions that he's a grandfather, and then

1255
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:04.500
there's grandfather.

1256
00:59:04.500 --> 00:59:07.619
And...

1257
00:59:07.619 --> 00:59:09.000
Is there a Susan joke in there somewhere?

1258
00:59:09.059 --> 00:59:10.079
Yes.

1259
00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:15.000
And there's also there's a Stephen a Dodo joke naturally as well.

1260
00:59:15.059 --> 00:59:22.139
But you, Brendan says, but the doctor's a giver, not a taker.

1261
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:31.500
And then you repeat it in the most appallingly way, and then we go

1262
00:59:31.500 --> 00:59:38.639
back to talking about Miss Kislett's badge. have no memory of

1263
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:39.059
this.

1264
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:43.920
Well, Ms. Kislett's badge was nearly the title of the Rebels of

1265
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:44.159
St.

1266
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:44.699
Tron one.

1267
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:48.840
He innocently goes, if you look closely at Miss Kislet's badge, I'm

1268
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:49.320
like, oh what?

1269
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:53.880
Yes, when I was listening to that, I went, oh my god.

1270
00:59:53.940 --> 00:59:55.920
That was nearly the title.

1271
00:59:55.980 --> 00:59:59.280
There was a lot that you cut out after that, wasn't there?

1272
00:59:59.340 --> 01:00:00.420
I did.

1273
01:00:00.539 --> 01:00:02.639
Yes, I did tone that down.

1274
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.559
Yeah, we were very rude.

1275
01:00:04.619 --> 01:00:07.139
It makes it really funny, James, is that you're expiring in the

1276
01:00:07.139 --> 01:00:07.500
background.

1277
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:08.639
You're going, oh, no.

1278
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.199
It's not usually where I react.

1279
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:18.480
I also talk about the pan Babylonians. that they're Babylonians

1280
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.820
but they are not very picky about who they have sex with.

1281
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:24.840
We have fun.

1282
01:00:24.900 --> 01:00:26.099
All right.

1283
01:00:27.420 --> 01:00:30.119
This is Rings of Ackerton, just a sec.

1284
01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:33.119
Time of the doctor.

1285
01:00:33.659 --> 01:00:36.179
Directed by Jamie Payne.

1286
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:36.780
Yeah.

1287
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:37.800
Who did hide?

1288
01:00:38.699 --> 01:00:40.139
Yeah.

1289
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:43.980
We also slam hide in that episode.

1290
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:45.780
The doctor's well directed, though.

1291
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:46.739
Yeah, yeah.

1292
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:48.900
Yeah, I think Hyde looks pretty good.

1293
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:49.980
Yeah.

1294
01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:51.719
If only something was happening.

1295
01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:52.440
Boring.

1296
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:58.739
I tentative about saying this, but just put it when you pick that

1297
01:00:58.739 --> 01:01:00.360
up and put it down, make sure no one's talking.

1298
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:04.139
I was probably not going to actually drink more of it.

1299
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:05.400
Okay, all right.

1300
01:01:05.460 --> 01:01:05.820
Here goes.

1301
01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:08.340
Oh, order.

1302
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:10.559
Nathan Todd, Peter James.

1303
01:01:10.619 --> 01:01:12.300
No, Nathan, what order?

1304
01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:12.599
Yeah.

1305
01:01:12.659 --> 01:01:14.280
Yeah, okay.

1306
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:21.360
Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight for Entirety.