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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that just makes things up to pass the time while other people are talking.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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And I'm a Khaled supreme lasagna that needs a good damn pricking for this episode.

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I'm the allegedly fabulous set of Richard.

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Oh, Adam.

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Well, we met the new doctor properly a week ago, mere moments before he roughed up a tramp and pushed a guy out the window.

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But is he a good man?

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Let's try to find out as we follow him into the Dalek.

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Well, James and I have turned up, both of us, embarrassingly, in Raquel Welsh's white latex bikini.

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Fantastic voyage for that.

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And annoyingly, one of us wears it better than the other, and I'm not saying who.

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Sorry, Richard.

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So I'm very sad there wasn't a Donald Pleasance in this episode.

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I wanted someone to be banging on the door going, Yeah, no only a good point.

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No one sabotages it, do they?

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No, that's actually a good point.

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I don't know whether we want to start off by saying whether we love this or not and maybe let's just work up the way that we get there.

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But that's a very good point.

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Structurally.

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I mean, we all saw fantastic voyage.

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As little kids on Bill Collins.

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A deadly antibodies.

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They're also...

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I live through that era. still doing it.

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But the whole thing of, do you remember that?

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The score, that amazing drum score that was very Dalek invasion of Earth and the boom, boom, boom, boom, the very $6000000 man.

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This is a really serious movie about science and Recca Welsh's jug.

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And that fabulous little speed racer submarine shit that, you know, I mean...

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She was a serious scientist who'd been shrunken them.

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You know, this was her breakout career move.

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Hi, Jenna.

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How's it going?

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But yeah, that cast.

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The reason that film worked.

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And yes, we need to add that Robbie Schumann and Fantastic Voyage is probably the 2 big influences.

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Yeah.

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But I maybe shouldn't say that I possibly think this is the best Dalek story now of the whole era, whereas the 1st time I watched it, I did not offer bits.

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Well, you had the Todd experience.

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Not personally.

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I have, he's a married man now, but I have, I've got to say that I can really see what they're doing and I want to hear what everyone else is.

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So there is an explicit reference, isn't there, at a fantastic void?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, because I think it probably says.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He says that'd make a fantastic movie.

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It's not quite as good as his alien gag this coming Christmas, but it isn't too bad.

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Yeah.

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You know what?

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I watched, for my podcast, I watched Journey to the Centre of the Tartars, which I enjoyed way more than I expected to.

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Okay.

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Um, because once I became unburdened by who Clara was meant to be, and whatever her story was, and this is like, like, this is what is this, Clara 4.0 or 5.0, like, this is a new Clara.

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Now she's a school teacher all of a sudden.

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Yeah.

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And the same with this one.

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Now that I'm unburdened by whatever's meant to be going on with Clara.

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What is this overarching story that we're never told.

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So we get to the end of Clara's story and we're like, I still don't know who she was meant to be.

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And once that's gone, I got to enjoy the rest of it.

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Yeah.

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Because I feel like a lot of the Moffat stories were trying to tell this ongoing storyline that never finished that he never got to the end of or would just abandon and start something else.

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And once you get rid of that, once you ignore that part of it, it's like, oh, there's a nice little adventure going on here.

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I get a real kind of Tom and Liz in season 12. vibe where it's the hips, isn't it?

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I mean, she'll start dressing like Sarah and she's got the same accent.

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But she works better with Capaldi, I think, than she does.

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Yeah, much better.

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So it's interesting you say that because the script was written with Tom as a placeholder doctor, they had not cast.

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What?

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Capaldi, when Phil Forbid is writing this story, he hadn't been told who the new doctor was.

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They hadn't cast a new doctor.

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So he wrote it picturing Tom Baker.

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And he'd already been writing Sarah Jane adventures for so long.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So he obviously had, you know, Liz Slayton in his head and like, well, whoever the companion is, it can be Sarah.

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Yeah, and she is supposed to be a Sarah Jane Smith analogue.

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Yeah, a shot of it.

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Adam probably knows.

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You know, Clara is Lou Slatin's middle name.

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That's why he chose it, yeah.

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So there is something sort of very distinctive about this doctor, and I think we're coming to a thing that's going to happen throughout the beginning of the season, where the show kind of wants to interrogate who the doctor is.

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And either it's doing a very clever job of coming at it different ways in each episode or it's making a sort of massive hash of it and doing something completely different every episode for no sort of particular reason.

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But here, we sort of start with the doctor, asking Clara, if he's a good man, and the hint that he might not be a good man, sort of comes halfway through, but until then, he's prickly and difficult, and that mostly just comes across in these sort of outrageously fantastic quips and put downs that he does.

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Do you think Moffat on some level was trying to go, look, I don't think the 6th doctor was a bad idea.

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I can do it better.

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Yeah.

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I'm really glad you raised that because that was my reading the whole 1st episode and thinking, I don't think it's working here either.

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This 2nd episode, yeah, it kind of softens a bit.

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Also, I think the questioning kind of throws the 1st episode into relief.

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It makes you go, oh, okay, so you know you've been a dickhead.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, I mean, the big moment, I think, isn't so much roughing up the tramp and pushing the guy out the window.

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Both of which are strongly implied.

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Miss Slater's husband.

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How awkward.

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Yeah, yeah.

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How meta and how died.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it's when he abandons Clara.

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And leaves her to the half-faced man.

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And that's softened by the fact that we learn that Clara expects him still to be there and he is, when she reaches back for him.

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But still, it's a, it's a problem.

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Shades of Clara, isn't it?

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Here, I think the big problem is the moment where he goes, oh, well, I've been proved right, the Dalek's evil.

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We're all just going to stand around and die while I kind of feel miserable about it.

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Well, no, enjoy being smug about being right, you know.

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And that's when she slaps him.

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But, but the rest of the time it's just these quips and I think it's, like, Phil Ford is funny.

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But Moffatt's a sitcom writer.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he is absolutely, you know, making sure that Capaldi has funny things to say after his turn is sort of Malcolm Tucker.

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Yeah, and that, you know, that was his last big role, I guess, before this, is like he's known throughout the UK. the, you know, the man with the foulest mouth on television.

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And now he's going to be in children's television.

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It's like, whoa.

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But I mean, I just can't get over the line.

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You know, where poor old Ross gets hoovered up and dumped in the thing and someone says, is Ross here in this pile of sort of human soup and he says, he's the top layer, if anyone wants to say a few words, which I just think is so brutal and so funny.

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Like just tremendously great.

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And also that moment where he makes him have the pill and they're like, I thought that was going to save him.

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He goes, no, no, no, he was doomed.

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I just wanted to know where he was going.

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Great, isn't it?

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And all the stuff about like the 2nd time he turns up with Clara on the Aristotle and he doesn't really know who anyone is.

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Like he might be the same person as before, the general.

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I think he's her uncle, but I might have just made that up while they were talking in order to pass the time.

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Even though she calls him uncle 17 times.

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That's right Like all of that stuff is so great.

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And he starts calling him Uncle stupid over the radio.

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Like I think that stuff is really, really great.

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And also it's kind of serving a purpose for the ongoing storyline, which is we've just met Danny Pink, who's a soldier, and it's like showing the doctor's absolute animosity and horror of soldiers.

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So it's kind of like it's it's doing double duty.

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It's being fun.

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It's being enjoyable, but also it's a huge character moment that feeds into why Clara keeps him secret for so long.

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Yeah.

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Which is, I think, is really deftly handled.

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Although I kind of feel like it comes out of nowhere a little bit.

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Like the doctor's antipathy towards soldiers is really laid on very thick here and it's not necessarily something we've had before.

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And especially given that, you know, Capaldi's the 1st person since Pertwig, to have gray hair on the TARDIS, and he's spent a lot of time with soldiers.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What did Mike friendly?

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What did Mike Yates do?

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Mike Gates has done something horrible.

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Yeah.

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It's an interesting point.

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I don't want to, because it was just one of the things I wanted to ask all 3 of you.

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Watching this again, and like, Adam, it's the 1st time I've watched it since broadcast.

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Bad fan, bad fan. it didn't really work for me. at the time.

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And now I'm just saying, okay, you've really not strayed far from Malcolm Tucker.

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And I also mean stylistically performance wise, the actor's tricks.

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Have we said tropes yet?

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No. someone else say it.

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But I wonder if that's a safety thing.

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I wonder if they're just sort of easing if that's a look.

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Let's just default to this and then the Colin Baker scenario that Adam mentioned that we'll work into making you.

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It relies a lot on a committed audience, which they now know they have after the 50th anniversary.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They are relying on goodwill after the 50th anniversary.

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I think it's something that's always been in Moffat's head.

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And I think the thing is that the 11th doctor is not a good person. in all sorts of ways.

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Oh, but doesn't he veil it well?

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He does.

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Charming.

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He's charming.

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It's very southern counties.

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Well, yeah.

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Super posh.

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You know, we've got the self-hatred thing with the Dreamlord in Amy's choice, which gets sort of hinted at and never brought up again.

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The presages this doctorate.

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Well, yeah, and then you get him keeping secrets, you know, we get him keeping secrets about Amy's pregnancy and about the crack in the wall.

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We get him inviting everyone to see him shot dead by Lake Silencio hilariously.

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Like, he's kind of mean and he is a bit of a problem.

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And even as far back as Russell, the doctor's a problem.

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You think about the 1st episode or about Jackie's speech in Army of Ghosts.

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So the doctor's potentially a problem or potentially a bad influence.

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And Moffatt always has this because, I mean, his 1st sitcom is joking apart.

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And joking apart is basically an autobiographical sitcom about how he ruined his 1st marriage.

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And we go from him blaming his wife for infidelity when it becomes clear that the reason that she's with someone else is that he's just insufferable.

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So Moffatt has this sort of thing where I'm the smartest person in the room, but I'm also a bit awful and he brings that to both of his doctors.

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And I think, so Capaldi, that's, I think, where Capaldi's thing comes from.

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It's not just Malcolm Tucker, but it is Moffatt's conception of the character and Moffatt sort of self-inserting himself.

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I think also one of the problems with Capaldi is, like you were saying, he was very Malcolm Tucker in this series, and I think they worked out how to write for him until he gets that big speech in the Zygon 2 partter.

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Yeah, they're like, oh, he's great at a monologue.

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And it's like, why is it taking you like a year and a half to work out how to write for this character?

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Then series 10.

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It's just like a speech a week and they're all incredible.

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But they should have known he was gracious to monologue had they watched the thick of it.

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Like, sure, that model was full of swearing.

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Yeah, this is a fanboy homage to thick of it.

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I want to know if Armando Ianucci had watched this one because I'm sure the ship is named after Onassis.

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I mean, we've got the same poor engineer lying on the floor of the TARDIS swearing exactly the same way.

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It just doesn't happen to be too lorry that she's swearing at, but it's so avenue five.

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Except the sets.

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Oh, I want to talk about the direction as well, but I'll let you guys about the direction of this episode.

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So it's Ben Wheatley and the set shoes. that's what actually made it flat for me.

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Oh, I kind of like some of, like, I like the way the Daleks have been directed.

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I think Wheatley has gone.

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I'm going to blow up a lot of Daleks is going to look incredible.

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So a lot of those action scenes are actually radio controlled 12 inches.

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No.

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No.

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I like this.

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Yes.

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I got one of those for free when I took myself on a Doctor Who trip to Cardiff.

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It gave me like a remote control dalek.

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And I was like, how am I meant to get this back to Australia?

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I had to buy a suitcase and tickle them out without all the bits dropping on.

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Stop talking after about 3 weeks.

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The ice stalk popped out.

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No, the ice stalks remain kind of intact.

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That's actually what the listeners wanted.

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How's the eye stalk going?

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It's bit droopy.

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So I got real Resurrection of the Daleks vibe from that.

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And I hate resurrection.

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But I thought it was done really well.

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And I thought that they were really scary.

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And I thought, you know, the corridors are kind of dressed.

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It's not just an abandoned hospital that they've just sort of bunged some cameras in and told everyone to sort of a mose in front of.

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And there's that scene where Uncle Stupid and his mates are all sort of lined up to watch the Dalek cut through the metal door in, you know, the traditional time honoured fashion.

218
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But it's all it's all sort of the set's all dressed with kind of future space hospital things.

219
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That's an MOD facility.

220
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Yeah, okay.

221
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Yeah, yeah.

222
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Oh okay.

223
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But it gives it a scale.

224
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It means you can run through it.

225
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It means you can have a lots of interesting things.

226
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Yeah, I mean, I kind of miss the Dalek backgrounds that were all the same burnished metal and stuff that they were.

227
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And the cardboard darling.

228
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Yeah, yeah.

229
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

230
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Originally in the 1st draft of the scripts, there was only one Dalek.

231
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They didn't have... all of the sequence.

232
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Yeah, like he was just David Dalek.

233
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We're going to the Dalek.

234
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Well, Phil Ford had been writing, you know, Sarah Jane Adventure, so he'd probably gone, oh, I probably got 2 sets.

235
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At some point, he went, oh, this might be unfavourably compared to Dalek.

236
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I think I'll add in the invasion of the ship at the end.

237
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It is very, very dalek, isn't it?

238
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Robert Sheman, darling.

239
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Yeah, so it even has that line, there's a callback to it.

240
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Like, I think an explicit callback to it. because you have this comparison of the doctor and the dalek, which is at the centre of Rob Shearman's story.

241
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And in Dalek, the Dalek says to the doctor, you would make a good dalek.

242
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And here I think the Dalek says to the doctor, you are a good dalek.

243
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Capaldi says that the Dalek isn't a good Dalek, but his reply is that, well, you are.

244
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I think the Dalek actually says, I am not a good Dalek.

245
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You are a good darling.

246
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That's right.

247
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Yeah.

248
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Yeah.

249
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Yeah, so it is sort of very deliberately that.

250
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And we've got this sort of central question about, is the doctor a good person?

251
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And I'm not sure. that it properly pays off either.

252
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So I think it takes the doctor into a place that's sort of that's beyond what at least this script and possibly the show can kind of manage because you get him giving up.

253
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He has to be slapped by Clara before he moves into action.

254
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And then the whole thing is solved, not by the fact that the doctor has a sense of the beauty and the wonder of the universe, but because the doctor really hates the Daleks and has defined himself against the Daleks ever since his 1st trip to Scaro.

255
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So at the end of it, Clara says, I don't know if you're a good man, but I think you try to be.

256
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And I kind of just got the feeling that that was a little bit too pat, and I don't know what he does, that gives her that impression.

257
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You know, the whole placement of Clara in this episode feels forced.

258
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Like, it's like, oh, we want to set up this thing with her and Danny Pink falling in love and get that sorted out.

259
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And so the doctor's going to leave what is a dramatically exciting moment to then go back to Cohill, pick her up and take her back into the narrative.

260
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Like it's a weird...

261
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She feels kind of out of place from there on in.

262
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And I know we're meant to, you know, she's the co-star of the show that's been a co-headlining show for ever since 2005.

263
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But it just feels like the weirdest thing in the world.

264
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Like wasn't there an easier way of doing that without having to leave and then come back.

265
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And you're like, I don't know.

266
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And Moffatt does that a lot where it feels like he breaks the dramatic tension by using the TARDIS in an almost magical way. that you kind of go, oh, I feel like you've just pulled the plug on all the tension that we were building up.

267
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Because he papers over it, doesn't he, by doing it in flashbacks?

268
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So the doctor appears to pick her up and then we see the conclusion of the scene, you know, what happens after the doctor, you know, meets the dalek or whatever.

269
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He does seem to Moffatt does seem to see women more as Advent calendar treats, doesn't it?

270
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And you don't quite know what you're going to eat day because it's going to be radically different from the day before.

271
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I think we're getting a little window into Mr. Moffat's own home life.

272
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I think we might be before.

273
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I mean, here it's the usual thing where the doctor is kind of being useless and the reason that Clara needs to be there is to be the grown-up in the situation, I guess, to be his carer.

274
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So he doesn't have to.

275
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Which is one of my favourite lines.

276
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So he goes, I don't want to say assistant, which is kind of like what they've been called for.

277
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Yeah. time immemorial.

278
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At least she's the one who says care.

279
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Like, because you're a crazy old man and he's the subject.

280
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Okay, so why don't you?

281
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Later on they decide they're not even going to call them companions.

282
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Yeah.

283
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They say friends.

284
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Because companion sounds like code for, you know, the policeman, the policeman says an aliens of London.

285
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Was this a sexual relationship?

286
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Escort or?

287
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I've been reading a lot of Agatha Christie.

288
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And you're like, oh, you're looking after a maiden aunt.

289
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Yeah.

290
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Do you remember the shock when McCoy's doctor referred to Ace, my friend Ace?

291
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It was a revelation.

292
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Tom says she's my best friend.

293
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Yes, Sarah.

294
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Not 2nd best friend.

295
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That would be K9, I think.

296
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I mean, while we're on the subject of Clara, let's talk about the romcom that is slowly breaking out over the course of the season.

297
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Oh, Danny Pink on my giant television.

298
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He is a pretty man, isn't he?

299
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pretty Yeah.

300
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His voice is more plummy than I remember it.

301
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I thought he was a bit more rough, but no, he's very posh.

302
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R rough.

303
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Yeah, right or rough.

304
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That's a slightly growly voice, though.

305
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There is a little bit of kind of, I'm, you know, I think he's beautiful.

306
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But when he's ordering the cadets around, I'm like, oh, this are we in a World War one?

307
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Are we in the trenches?

308
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No, because he wouldn't be an officer.

309
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No, I know that.

310
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It's perfect, though, because it is, and it's going to happen throughout the season.

311
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Moffat was a teacher and his 1st thing is press gang obviously said in a school.

312
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And he knows about teachers.

313
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And so everything that he does when he portrays Clara as a teacher, which starts in day of the doctor.

314
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Because she's a new character, all of us.

315
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Yes, that's right.

316
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We better give her something, another new father.

317
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Another mother, even though her mother was dead.

318
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Oh no, that was Linda, the wicked stepmother.

319
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Was that who that was?

320
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Yeah, yeah.

321
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Does she have an...

322
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I'm terrible that I don't want to see the crackers It's his attempt to do Annalise or Neres.

323
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But it just ends up Clara fur combination, doesn't it?

324
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I just feel like it's soup.

325
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I had no idea.

326
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Yeah, her family feel like, yeah, that's pantsuit.

327
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So that thing where Danny is with the kids.

328
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And he does that sort of really cheesy dad joke about, you know, what are you children?

329
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And the kid goes, yes, sir.

330
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And he goes, you know, I suppose you think you're funny, Fleming.

331
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And it says, yes, sir.

332
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And his response is, yeah, so do I. You're dismissed.

333
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And so he kind of gets it.

334
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And there is that scene, which is very sort of heavy handedly exposition, you know, about how he's killed civilians and we become aware of that.

335
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But that just rings really true to me.

336
00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:19.079
Like that does seem like the way a classroom behaves.

337
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Yeah, like the unthinking way that children behave.

338
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No, because the other children are shocked by the question or even a little bit annoyed by it.

339
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And then the kid himself. is shocked by the response and everyone goes quiet.

340
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It makes me think of that 1st episode of Beautiful People where the kid asks the teacher and says, who does your hair miss the council?

341
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The counsellor.

342
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So great.

343
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And I'm like, oh, that's right.

344
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British children are.

345
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But even the stuff, even the stuff in the staff room rings true. and can we just sort of pour one out for the headmaster who is going to be horrifically killed?

346
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episode of class later on?

347
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I forgot about class.

348
00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:07.500
Yeah, yeah, same headmaster.

349
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Yeah, it is.

350
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It is.

351
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Bleak.

352
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I think he's in Day of the Doctor, isn't he?

353
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Or is he?

354
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I can't remember.

355
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But so he introduces them here.

356
00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:18.539
But I think all of that stuff really works very well.

357
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And in fact, this is the 1st episode.

358
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So we get the 1st interaction between Clara and Danny goes away into a classroom and bangs his head on the table.

359
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Very sitcom.

360
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And you're very Moffat.

361
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Very Moffat.

362
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And intercutting between that interaction and then the consequences.

363
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And then he'll do the same thing from Clara's direction, in listen, where Clara stuffs up their 1st date and we get to intercut between her reaction to that and it happening in real time.

364
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So it's a thing that he does.

365
00:24:49.259 --> 00:24:54.000
It is, that's why Moffatt, I think, gets the co-writing credit on some.

366
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Yeah, I think he was writing all the ongoing storylines and the other writers were writing the half hour action series.

367
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It's interesting, though.

368
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They had initially in the early draft of the scripts been intending for the characters to already be dating.

369
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Oh, okay.

370
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And so you would have lost all of that fabulous sort of sitcom.

371
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Oh, no, you need to meet cute.

372
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Yeah.

373
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

374
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It was the right decision to... to actually show them meeting.

375
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But it completely...

376
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I love it and I think it's great, but it's it comes weirdly out of nowhere when you're in the middle of a thrust of what is an exciting Doctor Who episode.

377
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Like there's a Dalek that's been revealed.

378
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Oh my god, what are we going to do?

379
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We're going to shrink people and stick them in the Dalek and then I know we're going to go back and have some school hijinks now.

380
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And then come back and be excited again.

381
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:45.720
And it's like, no.

382
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Like there's no ads in this show.

383
00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:49.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

384
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That's the point.

385
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:52.559
I was thinking when you were saying that before.

386
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Is he, is this metoriting for these generation that has an iPad and a phone and a TV at the same time?

387
00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:01.319
And they don't mind the jump cutting because I find it really distracting.

388
00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:08.039
Yeah, maybe he's been watching so many YouTube videos, people talking about his shows, that he's gone, oh yeah, people don't care.

389
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:11.099
Like people don't care if there's jump cuts in the middle of a sentence.

390
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And maybe the under 30s don't.

391
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Maybe.

392
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:19.740
But, I mean, once the once Clara turns up on the Aristotle, we're pretty much just there on the Aristotle.

393
00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:20.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

394
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:28.440
And the only episodes, like I haven't watched all the way through the season again, but the only episode...

395
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:29.940
Well, I have but not for a while.

396
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:46.319
The only episodes, I think, where we really focus on that is listen, which is taking place during their 1st date and then going to various other places, sort of, and then the caretaker, which is obviously where the whole thing kind of comes to a head.

397
00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:49.079
The moment of Missy also was a delight.

398
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.599
Like, anytime I see Michelle Gomez.

399
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I just I melt.

400
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.559
And directed by Rachel Talele.

401
00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:56.039
Yeah, yeah.

402
00:26:56.099 --> 00:27:00.660
Oh, so she did she do all of the missy scenes to observe another summer.

403
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:01.380
She didn't.

404
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:08.880
Ben Wheatley wasn't available to do the scenes in deep breath and in into the Dalek and so she just took his notes and did them.

405
00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:11.519
I'm really sad he didn't get to do any more Doctor Who.

406
00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:14.460
Like he only did these 2 and then went off and made high rise.

407
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.259
Ah, okay.

408
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:23.880
Like he, but yeah, I, I just think, because so many of the directors in the Moffat era don't understand story.

409
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:31.559
And he obviously has a real handle on the cut and thrust of how this works, as does Talalay.

410
00:27:31.619 --> 00:27:32.220
Like she's great.

411
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:33.599
You're right.

412
00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:36.359
Direction is excellent on this and it was actually set design.

413
00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:38.339
Oh, the set design is dull.

414
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.140
It's just so white.

415
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:43.740
And coming from that background myself, I always notice.

416
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.599
I thought, I'll be back in the 80s, it's so white.

417
00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:46.920
But it's so many levels.

418
00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:50.640
But it's because the script says hospital and hospital says white.

419
00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:54.660
And I don't understand why it was a hospital ship that had become a warship.

420
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.720
Like I kind of felt like that was something they were trying to labour.

421
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:02.039
I think it's so that they have a reason to have the shrinking device on board.

422
00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:07.500
But also an excuse to have the 1st T and Aristotle will be the Red Cross.

423
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.440
Yeah, and it just it just all felt like excuses.

424
00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:18.720
Like, you know, there's there are a lot of excuses in this episode for like, oh, let's have an excuse to have weird, like, eyeballs shooting at us in the corridor.

425
00:28:18.779 --> 00:28:20.579
They're antibodies.

426
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.799
What do you think of the inside of the Dalek?

427
00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:24.359
It's weird.

428
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:27.960
It was weirdly Star Trekian.

429
00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:29.940
Very, thank you.

430
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.200
It was very TNG.

431
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.500
Oh, I'm not going to be unkind and say enterprise, but it was very tangent.

432
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:39.059
But I've got to say this time around, and I thought it was flat at the time, but this time around paying attention.

433
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:42.000
I can really see, especially when you look into its bowels.

434
00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:46.140
And Matt Berry would say, that's a great shot for that budget.

435
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:46.980
I'm really impressed.

436
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.859
I think Clara crawling up and pressing all the buttons.

437
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.920
Yeah, that was an impressive. like dynamic bit of work.

438
00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:54.420
That's the power station.

439
00:28:54.480 --> 00:29:06.240
I mean, the way that they sort of, you know, Matt in the Dalek balls and sort of grills and stuff and give it a kind of sort of verticality, which I think they sell.

440
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:07.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

441
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:15.059
And I think just using those design elements and, you know, it enables them to create sort of what seem like quite large spaces.

442
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:27.420
But also, like, again, sometimes I feel like Moffat just gets a bit lazy and goes, oh, you know what was really good in the 2nd episode of Matt Smith is everyone fell down a pipe into a bowl of poo.

443
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.460
Oh, we'll do it again.

444
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:30.900
Because that's a good character moment.

445
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:32.160
People falling in a bucket of poo.

446
00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:33.599
It's the 2nd episode as well.

447
00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:34.559
Second episode.

448
00:29:34.619 --> 00:29:39.180
Well, I think Russell does it in New Earth, which is tenant, 2nd episode.

449
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:43.380
And I think it is something about just breaking out of the studio a bit.

450
00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:45.660
Like if everyone's in a big puddle.

451
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.799
You know, then we're not, then we're not in, we're not in the studio.

452
00:29:49.859 --> 00:29:53.700
I got to tell you, filming when you're wet is the most terrific thing in the world.

453
00:29:53.759 --> 00:30:01.500
I just, I spent my entire 2nd watch through, just working out how damp they were at each point.

454
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:08.519
And he does say the thing where we're going through this heated, you know, like a decontamination tunnel and it's hot.

455
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:14.099
So to justify the fact that, because he looks, he looks like an insane old man.

456
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.240
He goes hair all sticking up in all these horns and stuff.

457
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.220
It's like he's just washed your cat.

458
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:25.980
And you've got Clara talking about just what a crazy old man he is as well at the same time.

459
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:26.880
I think that's really great.

460
00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:32.940
But just gradually everything's sort of very neat and clean to the point where I was surprised that Clara even bothered to change clothes.

461
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.400
It's very Rick and Morty, that sure.

462
00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:36.960
Yeah, it really is.

463
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.200
I'm just 2 months out of the Pasolini festival.

464
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:45.000
So any discussion of Salo is still really redolent when I watch this.

465
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:51.119
It's just like the practicalities of filming something like that is it's like, okay, we're going to set up for a wide shot now.

466
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:57.960
And it's taken you all day to do like 5 or 6 minutes of a show and someone has to come and apply more wet.

467
00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:00.539
So you're just sitting there.

468
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.220
It's like, we're just going to spray, you know, with water.

469
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:03.480
It's like I've been damp all day.

470
00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:04.079
Thanks.

471
00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:05.880
I just can't wait to be more damp.

472
00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:07.380
Moisturise.

473
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:08.640
You spend the whole day wet.

474
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:09.720
It is gross.

475
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:15.299
And I regret ever writing. rain into my TV show.

476
00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:17.940
But do you why do you think they do it here?

477
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.039
Like, I think is it?

478
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:21.000
I think because it's easy.

479
00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:22.619
It's like it's a funny moment.

480
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.599
Kids are going to laugh because they're in poo.

481
00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:25.319
Yeah, yeah.

482
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:26.640
Like, it's implied that it's poo.

483
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.019
It's dalek poo.

484
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:32.940
It's just, you know, what do kids love more than anything is pull my finger.

485
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:37.079
He's going to really lean into that next year for the Dalek 2 partner.

486
00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:39.180
The sewers are revolting in that.

487
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.039
It's all a bit you can't do that on television.

488
00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:42.180
Yeah, yeah.

489
00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:42.779
Slime.

490
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:43.259
It's marked.

491
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:46.559
It's just, it's, it's a guffaw moment for a 10 year old.

492
00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:48.539
It's like, ah, they're covered in poo.

493
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:53.160
I mean, I still think Capaldi's line in that is absolutely genius, though.

494
00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:55.859
It's so brutal and so cruel.

495
00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:56.880
Oh, yeah.

496
00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:58.559
That's the other thing I find weird.

497
00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:04.259
It's like these moments of very low humour in, you know, we've fallen into a bucket of poo.

498
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:09.119
And then these really grown up very cynical jokes.

499
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:24.599
Like, I love that they're brought in Phil Ford, who's been writing a kids' show for the last 4 or 5 years and tried to make something that's a bit more accessible because Moffatt had, you know, gone off the reservation and had started writing the most grown-up science fiction ever.

500
00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:30.720
And it was like people were enjoying it, but I feel like if you were a kid, it's just confusing.

501
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:31.380
It makes no sense.

502
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:38.099
And here it's like, oh, no, let's get back to the things that kids love, which is falling in a bucket of poo and shrinking people and injecting them in.

503
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.339
Like, you know, when I was a kid, that's fantastic for you, which is amazing.

504
00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:42.539
Like you love all that stuff.

505
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:48.779
And so it's got all these big, silly, crazy science fiction ideas that kids love.

506
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:58.140
But then this kind of nasty, cynical dialogue and you're like, and it's, you know, it's almost like it's set at a school just to go, oh, yeah, no, it's a kids show.

507
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:03.660
But I mean, I guess that's pretty close to what Doctor Who should be doing, isn't it?

508
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:18.779
So it's the juxtaposition of the everyday life with something. alien and operating on several levels, you know, Tom's thing, Tom's old speech about how the kids are watching this and saying, isn't this wonderful?

509
00:33:18.779 --> 00:33:22.440
And the older brothers, they're laughing at it and the parents are loving it as well.

510
00:33:22.500 --> 00:33:31.079
And so having, you know, very broad humour and very obvious things and then combining it with this sort of meditation on whether the doctor's a hero or not.

511
00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:33.000
That comes back to what Adam was saying.

512
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:34.259
It's just clicked for me.

513
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:40.559
That all works. when the centrifuge, the hub has charisma and charm and you adore him.

514
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.920
And I think that's the problem in the 1st part of this season.

515
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:46.500
Maybe the rating figures reflected at Jameson.

516
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.319
But we are not... still quite high at this point.

517
00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:52.319
Yeah, but we're not being allowed to, and I get it.

518
00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:57.779
It's Tucker in an undertaker's coat, but do we love him?

519
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.240
Is he a good man means, do we adore you yet?

520
00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:06.299
Tom, it was, we adored him from the 1st moment he called Harry. imbassy.

521
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:10.019
Yes, and skipped and did all.

522
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:10.980
It's only qualified.

523
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.219
Indeed.

524
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.320
I miss it. miss all that.

525
00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:27.000
And maybe actually having more of Danny Pink earlier on in the sort of in the alpha Mickey Smith kind of role might have alleviated that.

526
00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:36.480
But when the doctor is working against or his own charm offensive, It's quite hard to hug the show, isn't it, in the same way.

527
00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:46.380
So I think that we have this sort of weird situation where sort of 2 episodes after Clara's told the time lords off for not loving the doctor.

528
00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:50.579
And then 2 episodes later, she can't say whether he's a good man or not.

529
00:34:50.639 --> 00:35:00.900
I think, I mean, I think there is that, and I guess we just sort of assume the doctor's a different person now that Capoldi's been cast and, you know, all previous bets are off.

530
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:01.980
I don't know.

531
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.440
Like as an adult now, I actually really like this doctor.

532
00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:15.239
And I guess the bit where I'm not on board is the bit where he has to be slapped into kind of behaving properly.

533
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:30.360
But, you know, we get the contrast between the way that he reacts to Ross's death by throwing him the battery and then just letting him get killed and then the way he responds to Gretchen's death, where she nobly sacrifices herself.

534
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:35.099
And he promises to name something amazing after her.

535
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.619
Like, he's really on board by the end of the episode.

536
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.820
I think that's what they're trying to do, not just with this episode, but with his character.

537
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:56.639
They're trying to do that Colin Baker type portrayal, but soften him through the series and earn, earn, like, earn him the right to call ins off the doctor again, I guess, is probably, you know, a basic way of looking at it.

538
00:35:56.699 --> 00:36:09.179
And by the time you get to series 10, like he is a much more likeable character, you do go on a journey with this character, but are they laying it on too thick here?

539
00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:21.719
I think also maybe that was kind of the intention of the, the war doctor was meant to be a prickly kind of nasty doctor, but John Hurt just plays it with, he's so cuddly.

540
00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:23.039
Such.

541
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.320
You're just like, I want to love you.

542
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:28.980
I want to watch all of these episodes that we never saw.

543
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:30.179
What a delight.

544
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.559
Yeah, he's adorable.

545
00:36:31.619 --> 00:36:33.059
That scene with him and Jenna.

546
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.380
It's so great.

547
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.059
He's very sweet.

548
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:49.980
Yeah, I, like, there is some discourse around the Capoldi doctor's portrayal and one of the writers of the series suggests that they weren't going into it with any intention of doing that.

549
00:36:50.039 --> 00:37:04.440
Just as I think Collins claimed that, you know, the layers of the onion were going to be peeled back and we would discover the Colin was lovely, there's no way anyone in the production or right, like Saywood's not coming up with that as a long-term theme is not going to happen.

550
00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:06.840
And so there are characters that never meet the doctor.

551
00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:11.159
It was basically Colin saying, I was hoping that they would.

552
00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:11.460
Yeah.

553
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:11.820
Yeah.

554
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:13.619
So I don't think they were doing that.

555
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:24.059
I do think that they were going to have a Doctor Who was a bit more kind of Tom in horror fang rock. which is an absolutely valid way of being the doctor and a way of being the doctor that I really like.

556
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:37.980
And so having a doctor who's not sentimental and is a bit rude in the way that he, I mean, that thing about, I must have been making that up to pass the time while other people were talking.

557
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:39.360
That's Tom, isn't it?

558
00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:42.300
Tom not reading the pages of the script that he's not in.

559
00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:44.159
You know.

560
00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:53.699
So I think that that's what we're going for, and I think that's quite good, but I think that probably the beginning of the season goes at it from so many different directions.

561
00:37:53.820 --> 00:38:03.360
I mean, next week, we're going to have the is the doctor a hero thing and that's going to be much lighter and fluffier than this version.

562
00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:05.099
And also that weird jealousy that he's got going.

563
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:06.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

564
00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:12.659
I also, I think I see what you're saying about that, but it kind of, it still makes no sense of him going and getting Clara.

565
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:19.739
Like, just that action makes no sense of this character in this episode.

566
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.039
It's like like, yes, he's got those coffee cups.

567
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:27.960
But like when was the last time the doctor actually finished anything he meant to start?

568
00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:28.500
Yeah.

569
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:33.360
That's just, it's just weird that he goes and gets her and brings her back.

570
00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:38.099
It just felt like a really strange...

571
00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:38.699
With the coffee.

572
00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:44.940
That he's forgotten and remembers in the middle of a Dalek adventure, he has to get the coffee he forgot from 3 weeks ago.

573
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.760
Yeah, he hasn't seen her since Deep Breath.

574
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:51.900
He's sent off for coffee after deep breath ends, I think.

575
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:52.739
Yeah.

576
00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:57.960
So like the last thing she's had, last interaction she's had with him was Matt Smith ringing her up on the phone.

577
00:38:58.019 --> 00:38:58.980
Yeah.

578
00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:02.820
And now he's just turned up and dragged her inside a dale.

579
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:08.579
Also, there's that kind of almost a callback to Clara Jane's leaving.

580
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.539
Like I saw you 3 weeks ago in Glasgow.

581
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:13.260
Yes.

582
00:39:13.739 --> 00:39:17.400
And fortunately, Moffatt is allowed to write the line.

583
00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:28.320
Glasgow, that's dead in a ditch. which is yet another thing about Glasgow that he's another way he's dissed Glasgow in the last few episodes.

584
00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:31.199
Look, it's a little plate class, guy.

585
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:57.119
So, there is a sort of parallel, isn't there, where the doctor materialises around Journey Blue and rescues her from death, and then Gretchen gets rescued from death or she's dead, but then she's rescued by Missy.

586
00:39:57.179 --> 00:40:00.000
But I mean, then obviously the sort of being parallel, isn't it?

587
00:40:00.059 --> 00:40:02.159
Between Danny and the doctor.

588
00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:07.980
So they're not just being set up to oppose one another by the doctor's sudden antipathy towards soldiers.

589
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.119
We're setting up the question of what their heroism entails.

590
00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:12.900
Yeah.

591
00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:24.239
I feel like sometimes Moffatt just has like a little bag on his table with, you know, storylines in it, which is doctor appears and saves someone, like, because it's night of the doctor again.

592
00:40:24.300 --> 00:40:28.019
Yeah, turning up and just saving some random person from a Dalek attack.

593
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:30.360
Fridge magnet script drive.

594
00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:32.639
It kind of feels like that sometimes.

595
00:40:32.699 --> 00:40:43.199
It's like, oh, I need to make a Doctor Who episode, but I really want to write this romantic comedy about Clara and Danny Pink, but I've got to do some Dalek thing because I've contractually obligated to put them in once a year.

596
00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:53.280
So they've really missed a trick, they're not having one of those magnet games, which has elements of Doctor Who scripts and you make your own Doctor Who script on the fridge.

597
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.420
And submitted to Big Finish.

598
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.639
As a whole box set.

599
00:40:56.699 --> 00:40:58.440
Maybe that's how they do it.

600
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.320
Trinity Wells.

601
00:41:02.699 --> 00:41:04.980
The further adventures.

602
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:06.960
I should say it 3 times.

603
00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:10.019
There's no way Nick Briggs listens to this.

604
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.260
They did do one.

605
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:17.519
Nathan making a joke once in this about Trinity Wells having her own big finish.

606
00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:18.480
I was like, oh, hilarious.

607
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:22.320
And I was listening to, I think it's a Captain Jackbox set and she has a whole episode.

608
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:23.460
What?

609
00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:26.099
It really does.

610
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:28.619
Just say it 3 times.

611
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.139
The new suite has got her own show.

612
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.860
I think that this is like Moffat's most RTD season.

613
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.780
And Moffat can't do soap opera characters the way that Russell can.

614
00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:45.599
But Moffatt can do sitcom dialogue.

615
00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:49.079
And so he just puts those 2 into a romantic comedy.

616
00:41:49.199 --> 00:42:01.380
And I think at the end of the series, that doesn't quite work because, you know, horrible tragedy happens in episode 11 spoilers, which doesn't fit into the romantic comedy genre at all.

617
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.400
It's horrible.

618
00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:09.900
But I think he does quite a good job of the romantic comedy and I think that there is quite a lot of mileage out of it.

619
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.019
I think that setting it up this way isn't a bad idea.

620
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:23.579
I feel like the characters now belong somewhere and operating in a world and I didn't feel like that about series 7. at all, you know.

621
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:33.659
Again, like I said earlier, I, I, once I unhook myself from what is going on with Clara, who she meant to be, like what is this ongoing storyline?

622
00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:46.260
Also, I feel like apparently when Capaldi was cast, he said, I don't want any storylines that are hanging over. from before.

623
00:42:46.320 --> 00:43:07.440
Like, he, like, as I think Moffat had intended to drag that crack in the wall thing all the way through to the end, which is why that final Matt Smith episode feels like 17 episodes jammed into one because he had kind of been given this edict of, I want a fresh page other than carrying over Clara.

624
00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:13.019
But like, but also Clara's ongoing storyline has stopped and she's starting. she a new person.

625
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.699
Yes, she's a new character, the same face.

626
00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:21.659
The only thing that's left over is the woman who gives Clara the number which she phones at the beginning of Els of St.

627
00:43:21.659 --> 00:43:23.820
John, which gets referenced in time high.

628
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:27.420
Yeah, in a way, that's like the master reaching back.

629
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:28.019
Yes.

630
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:28.559
Yes.

631
00:43:34.619 --> 00:43:45.840
The way this season is pulled together with all of this chaos is to have whatever that Game of Thrones tic-tac-toe thing is, the chaotics, Adam is Michelle Gomez.

632
00:43:45.900 --> 00:43:48.659
Well, Missy and Michelle Gomez, as we know, are the same person.

633
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:55.559
And to have her reach back complain to the Smith era or to reach forward, we are totally on board with that.

634
00:43:55.619 --> 00:44:09.659
And we actually need that level of chaos, and I would say that this doctor actually requires it in the same way that Pertwi's doctor just really needed a big brandy balloon to get his fingers around and high roger.

635
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:10.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

636
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:11.699
Yeah.

637
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:12.539
No, I think that's right.

638
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.880
I think that's the thing that makes this work.

639
00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:22.019
We had series 7, which, you know, had 2 arcs, but was kind of apologising for both of them and one of them wasn't very good.

640
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:30.960
And this one is, let's have the rom-com, which is something that Moffat can write, and let's have Michelle Gomez because she's incredibly great.

641
00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:38.159
And I think, you know, as most of these seasons have been suffer from Sherlock also being made at the same time.

642
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:41.639
Yeah, yeah, you know, I feel like someone's right off the ball.

643
00:44:41.699 --> 00:44:44.219
As you, I'm sure you'll all discussed.

644
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.500
We talked about metabilist.

645
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.940
Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week.

646
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:21.119
We'll be back next week to rob from the rich and give to filthy people with bad teeth in Robot of Sherwood.

647
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:39.480
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648
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.940
Adam, where can people find you?

649
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.219
Uh, in the toilet at the pub?

650
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:45.119
No.

651
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.119
Richard on Twitter.

652
00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:55.019
Or my podcast, Adam Richard has a theory, and me, I am a memoir, the meaning of the meaning of Mariah Carey.

653
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.539
That's my favourite.

654
00:45:59.099 --> 00:46:05.219
Until next time, remember that you must keep breathing normally during the podcast listening process.

655
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.559
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

656
00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:08.280
Good night.

657
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:09.239
Good night.

658
00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:09.900
Bye.

659
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:19.079
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Adam, Richard, James Selwood, and Richard Stone.

660
00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:21.300
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

661
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:27.960
This episode, animosity and horror was recorded on the 8th of January 2023 and released on the 23rd of April.

662
00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:43.980
For those of you who prefer your social media with a bit less racism and transphobia, flight through entirety now has a mastodon account, which you can check out at FDE podcast at mastodon.online.

663
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:44.940
See you there.

664
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:56.159
My theory is that John Pert, we can't pronounce planet names correctly.

665
00:46:56.219 --> 00:47:06.239
Because, so, of course, it's Spiriton, and per tweet pronounces it, spired on, so he's just got money.

666
00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:08.400
Do we have it out?

667
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:09.599
I think we probably have an hour.

668
00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:10.260
What do you think?

669
00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:12.420
And we're 56.

670
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:13.559
I think that's...

671
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:14.460
Plus, you went to the tour.

672
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.579
No, I didn't.

673
00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:18.780
That was Peter has arrived.

674
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.960
Yeah, I think we're done Yeah, cool.

675
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.639
Yeah, yeah, because I've already recorded the outro.

676
00:47:23.699 --> 00:47:25.559
All I need to...

677
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:25.980
Anything?

678
00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:26.820
Any more facts we need?

679
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.460
I don't know, right?

680
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:32.099
Like 7.29 million?

681
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:32.880
That's not bad.

682
00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:35.820
Which wasn't much less than the previous week.

683
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:36.599
Deep breath.

684
00:47:36.659 --> 00:47:37.079
Yeah.

685
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:37.380
Yeah.

686
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:42.059
No, everyone stops watching Doctor Who around about episode 6 or seven.

687
00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:43.920
The original edits.

688
00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:50.340
Yeah, had Rusty going up to the Dalek saucer. and blowing them all up.

689
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.639
And they went, no, let's cut that out.

690
00:47:53.699 --> 00:47:56.519
So we can bring him back at the end of Christmas.

691
00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:58.139
Yeah, I feel like, yeah.

692
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.380
I wanted I wanted a 3rd rusty.

693
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.300
Like, it's weird that Rusty just turns up one more time.

694
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.519
Well, it's just because he had nothing.

695
00:48:05.579 --> 00:48:08.940
That's him riding a completely on fumes.

696
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:10.860
He's got nothing.

697
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:12.300
Nothing in the team.

698
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:19.679
He's emptied his bag of magnets. that 10 minute speech of Capaldi's where he's hurling himself around the set.

699
00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:21.719
Only children can know your name.

700
00:48:21.780 --> 00:48:22.440
Christ.

701
00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:27.300
Capaldi mansplains to Jodie Whittaker how to play the doctor when she comes on.

702
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:39.000
There's, I, we had to watch that episode like months early and had, it had no special effects and Mark gave it wrestling with a green balloon.

703
00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:42.659
Like, one of the goodies being attacked by a gerbil.

704
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:44.579
Quite a delight.

705
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:45.420
There's the title.

706
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.280
Ad Kitten Kong.

707
00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:48.780
All right, I'm gonna...

708
00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:49.440
And that's the title.