WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 13:58:29 1 00:00:40.259 --> 00:00:44.399 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety 2 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:47.939 the only Doctor Who podcast that just makes things up to pass the 3 00:00:47.939 --> 00:00:49.799 time while other people are talking. 4 00:00:49.979 --> 00:00:51.479 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:51.539 --> 00:00:52.439 I'm James. 6 00:00:52.500 --> 00:00:58.799 And I'm a Khaled supreme lasagna that needs a good damn pricking 7 00:00:58.799 --> 00:00:59.520 for this episode. 8 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.579 I'm the allegedly fabulous set of Richard. 9 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:04.140 Oh, Adam. 10 00:01:07.260 --> 00:01:10.439 Well, we met the new doctor properly a week ago, mere moments 11 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:13.379 before he roughed up a tramp and pushed a guy out the window. 12 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:15.180 But is he a good man? 13 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.560 Let's try to find out as we follow him into the Dalek. 14 00:01:37.620 --> 00:01:41.579 Well, James and I have turned up, both of us, embarrassingly, in 15 00:01:41.579 --> 00:01:44.159 Raquel Welsh's white latex bikini. 16 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:46.799 Fantastic voyage for that. 17 00:01:46.980 --> 00:01:51.060 And annoyingly, one of us wears it better than the other, and I'm 18 00:01:51.060 --> 00:01:51.840 not saying who. 19 00:01:51.900 --> 00:01:53.400 Sorry, Richard. 20 00:01:56.459 --> 00:02:01.019 So I'm very sad there wasn't a Donald Pleasance in this episode. 21 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:05.700 I wanted someone to be banging on the door going, Yeah, no only a 22 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:06.000 good point. 23 00:02:06.060 --> 00:02:07.980 No one sabotages it, do they? 24 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:09.300 No, that's actually a good point. 25 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:12.060 I don't know whether we want to start off by saying whether we 26 00:02:12.060 --> 00:02:16.319 love this or not and maybe let's just work up the way that we get 27 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:16.620 there. 28 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:18.300 But that's a very good point. 29 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:19.439 Structurally. 30 00:02:19.500 --> 00:02:21.240 I mean, we all saw fantastic voyage. 31 00:02:21.300 --> 00:02:23.759 As little kids on Bill Collins. 32 00:02:23.819 --> 00:02:24.840 A deadly antibodies. 33 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:25.860 They're also... 34 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:30.120 I live through that era. still doing it. 35 00:02:30.180 --> 00:02:32.939 But the whole thing of, do you remember that? 36 00:02:32.939 --> 00:02:36.840 The score, that amazing drum score that was very Dalek invasion of 37 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:39.360 Earth and the boom, boom, boom, boom, the very $6000000 man. 38 00:02:39.419 --> 00:02:43.020 This is a really serious movie about science and Recca Welsh's 39 00:02:43.020 --> 00:02:43.500 jug. 40 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:49.020 And that fabulous little speed racer submarine shit that, you know 41 00:02:49.020 --> 00:02:49.680 I mean... 42 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:52.020 She was a serious scientist who'd been shrunken them. 43 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:53.939 You know, this was her breakout career move. 44 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:55.500 Hi, Jenna. 45 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:57.719 How's it going? 46 00:02:57.780 --> 00:02:59.759 But yeah, that cast. 47 00:02:59.879 --> 00:03:01.080 The reason that film worked. 48 00:03:01.139 --> 00:03:05.520 And yes, we need to add that Robbie Schumann and Fantastic Voyage 49 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.460 is probably the 2 big influences. 50 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:09.000 Yeah. 51 00:03:09.060 --> 00:03:14.219 But I maybe shouldn't say that I possibly think this is the best 52 00:03:14.219 --> 00:03:18.419 Dalek story now of the whole era, whereas the 1st time I watched 53 00:03:18.419 --> 00:03:20.159 it, I did not offer bits. 54 00:03:20.219 --> 00:03:23.099 Well, you had the Todd experience. 55 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:25.560 Not personally. 56 00:03:25.620 --> 00:03:30.960 I have, he's a married man now, but I have, I've got to say that I 57 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.900 can really see what they're doing and I want to hear what everyone 58 00:03:33.900 --> 00:03:34.500 else is. 59 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:37.680 So there is an explicit reference, isn't there, at a fantastic 60 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:38.099 void? 61 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:38.580 Oh, yeah. 62 00:03:38.580 --> 00:03:40.620 Yeah, because I think it probably says. 63 00:03:40.620 --> 00:03:41.939 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 64 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:44.159 He says that'd make a fantastic movie. 65 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:48.840 It's not quite as good as his alien gag this coming Christmas, but 66 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:49.800 it isn't too bad. 67 00:03:49.860 --> 00:03:50.639 Yeah. 68 00:03:50.699 --> 00:03:51.479 You know what? 69 00:03:51.539 --> 00:03:55.199 I watched, for my podcast, I watched Journey to the Centre of the 70 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:58.919 Tartars, which I enjoyed way more than I expected to. 71 00:03:58.979 --> 00:03:59.460 Okay. 72 00:03:59.460 --> 00:04:05.819 Um, because once I became unburdened by who Clara was meant to be 73 00:04:05.819 --> 00:04:10.259 and whatever her story was, and this is like, like, this is what 74 00:04:10.259 --> 00:04:13.680 is this, Clara 4.0 or 5.0, like, this is a new Clara. 75 00:04:13.740 --> 00:04:15.539 Now she's a school teacher all of a sudden. 76 00:04:15.780 --> 00:04:17.160 Yeah. 77 00:04:17.220 --> 00:04:18.839 And the same with this one. 78 00:04:18.899 --> 00:04:21.779 Now that I'm unburdened by whatever's meant to be going on with 79 00:04:21.779 --> 00:04:22.319 Clara. 80 00:04:22.379 --> 00:04:25.560 What is this overarching story that we're never told. 81 00:04:25.620 --> 00:04:28.680 So we get to the end of Clara's story and we're like, I still 82 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:29.819 don't know who she was meant to be. 83 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:34.019 And once that's gone, I got to enjoy the rest of it. 84 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:34.860 Yeah. 85 00:04:34.860 --> 00:04:37.620 Because I feel like a lot of the Moffat stories were trying to 86 00:04:37.620 --> 00:04:42.779 tell this ongoing storyline that never finished that he never got 87 00:04:42.779 --> 00:04:45.720 to the end of or would just abandon and start something else. 88 00:04:45.779 --> 00:04:49.560 And once you get rid of that, once you ignore that part of it, it's 89 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.259 like, oh, there's a nice little adventure going on here. 90 00:04:52.319 --> 00:05:00.899 I get a real kind of Tom and Liz in season 12. vibe where it's the 91 00:05:00.899 --> 00:05:01.560 hips, isn't it? 92 00:05:01.980 --> 00:05:05.339 I mean, she'll start dressing like Sarah and she's got the same 93 00:05:05.339 --> 00:05:06.660 accent. 94 00:05:06.779 --> 00:05:11.279 But she works better with Capaldi, I think, than she does. 95 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:12.240 Yeah, much better. 96 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:16.319 So it's interesting you say that because the script was written 97 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:20.639 with Tom as a placeholder doctor, they had not cast. 98 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:21.779 What? 99 00:05:21.779 --> 00:05:26.579 Capaldi, when Phil Forbid is writing this story, he hadn't been 100 00:05:26.579 --> 00:05:27.720 told who the new doctor was. 101 00:05:27.779 --> 00:05:28.920 They hadn't cast a new doctor. 102 00:05:28.980 --> 00:05:32.639 So he wrote it picturing Tom Baker. 103 00:05:32.699 --> 00:05:35.220 And he'd already been writing Sarah Jane adventures for so long. 104 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:36.060 Yeah, yeah. 105 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.480 So he obviously had, you know, Liz Slayton in his head and like 106 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.120 well, whoever the companion is, it can be Sarah. 107 00:05:42.180 --> 00:05:46.319 Yeah, and she is supposed to be a Sarah Jane Smith analogue. 108 00:05:46.379 --> 00:05:47.339 Yeah, a shot of it. 109 00:05:47.459 --> 00:05:48.120 Adam probably knows. 110 00:05:48.180 --> 00:05:49.920 You know, Clara is Lou Slatin's middle name. 111 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:52.439 That's why he chose it, yeah. 112 00:05:52.500 --> 00:05:57.240 So there is something sort of very distinctive about this doctor 113 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.699 and I think we're coming to a thing that's going to happen 114 00:05:59.699 --> 00:06:02.759 throughout the beginning of the season, where the show kind of 115 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:05.279 wants to interrogate who the doctor is. 116 00:06:05.339 --> 00:06:10.139 And either it's doing a very clever job of coming at it different 117 00:06:10.139 --> 00:06:14.220 ways in each episode or it's making a sort of massive hash of it 118 00:06:14.220 --> 00:06:17.519 and doing something completely different every episode for no sort 119 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:18.300 of particular reason. 120 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:24.839 But here, we sort of start with the doctor, asking Clara, if he's 121 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:29.759 a good man, and the hint that he might not be a good man, sort of 122 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:34.740 comes halfway through, but until then, he's prickly and difficult 123 00:06:34.740 --> 00:06:37.920 and that mostly just comes across in these sort of outrageously 124 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.199 fantastic quips and put downs that he does. 125 00:06:40.259 --> 00:06:45.060 Do you think Moffat on some level was trying to go, look, I don't 126 00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:46.680 think the 6th doctor was a bad idea. 127 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:48.779 I can do it better. 128 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:49.680 Yeah. 129 00:06:49.740 --> 00:06:53.639 I'm really glad you raised that because that was my reading the 130 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:55.980 whole 1st episode and thinking, I don't think it's working here 131 00:06:55.980 --> 00:06:56.399 either. 132 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:00.360 This 2nd episode, yeah, it kind of softens a bit. 133 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:05.339 Also, I think the questioning kind of throws the 1st episode into 134 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:05.879 relief. 135 00:07:05.939 --> 00:07:09.300 It makes you go, oh, okay, so you know you've been a dickhead. 136 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:10.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 137 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.939 Well, I mean, the big moment, I think, isn't so much roughing up 138 00:07:14.939 --> 00:07:17.100 the tramp and pushing the guy out the window. 139 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:18.959 Both of which are strongly implied. 140 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:20.399 Miss Slater's husband. 141 00:07:20.459 --> 00:07:20.939 How awkward. 142 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:22.079 Yeah, yeah. 143 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:23.939 How meta and how died. 144 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:24.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 145 00:07:24.899 --> 00:07:27.600 But it's when he abandons Clara. 146 00:07:27.660 --> 00:07:30.839 And leaves her to the half-faced man. 147 00:07:30.899 --> 00:07:34.680 And that's softened by the fact that we learn that Clara expects 148 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.939 him still to be there and he is, when she reaches back for him. 149 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.399 But still, it's a, it's a problem. 150 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:42.959 Shades of Clara, isn't it? 151 00:07:43.019 --> 00:07:47.819 Here, I think the big problem is the moment where he goes, oh, well 152 00:07:47.819 --> 00:07:49.620 I've been proved right, the Dalek's evil. 153 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:53.939 We're all just going to stand around and die while I kind of feel 154 00:07:53.939 --> 00:07:54.600 miserable about it. 155 00:07:54.660 --> 00:07:58.139 Well, no, enjoy being smug about being right, you know. 156 00:07:58.199 --> 00:07:59.759 And that's when she slaps him. 157 00:07:59.819 --> 00:08:03.420 But, but the rest of the time it's just these quips and I think 158 00:08:03.420 --> 00:08:06.839 it's, like, Phil Ford is funny. 159 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.959 But Moffatt's a sitcom writer. 160 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:10.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 161 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:16.500 And he is absolutely, you know, making sure that Capaldi has funny 162 00:08:16.500 --> 00:08:19.560 things to say after his turn is sort of Malcolm Tucker. 163 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:22.860 Yeah, and that, you know, that was his last big role, I guess 164 00:08:22.860 --> 00:08:27.899 before this, is like he's known throughout the UK. the, you know 165 00:08:27.899 --> 00:08:29.639 the man with the foulest mouth on television. 166 00:08:29.699 --> 00:08:31.980 And now he's going to be in children's television. 167 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:33.899 It's like, whoa. 168 00:08:33.899 --> 00:08:36.659 But I mean, I just can't get over the line. 169 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:40.379 You know, where poor old Ross gets hoovered up and dumped in the 170 00:08:40.379 --> 00:08:44.399 thing and someone says, is Ross here in this pile of sort of human 171 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:48.360 soup and he says, he's the top layer, if anyone wants to say a few 172 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:53.820 words, which I just think is so brutal and so funny. 173 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.679 Like just tremendously great. 174 00:08:55.740 --> 00:09:00.360 And also that moment where he makes him have the pill and they're 175 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:01.559 like, I thought that was going to save him. 176 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:02.759 He goes, no, no, no, he was doomed. 177 00:09:02.820 --> 00:09:03.720 I just wanted to know where he was going. 178 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:07.799 Great, isn't it? 179 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:12.720 And all the stuff about like the 2nd time he turns up with Clara 180 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:18.000 on the Aristotle and he doesn't really know who anyone is. 181 00:09:18.059 --> 00:09:21.059 Like he might be the same person as before, the general. 182 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:25.679 I think he's her uncle, but I might have just made that up while 183 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:27.600 they were talking in order to pass the time. 184 00:09:27.659 --> 00:09:30.059 Even though she calls him uncle 17 times. 185 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.720 That's right Like all of that stuff is so great. 186 00:09:33.779 --> 00:09:38.759 And he starts calling him Uncle stupid over the radio. 187 00:09:38.820 --> 00:09:42.480 Like I think that stuff is really, really great. 188 00:09:42.539 --> 00:09:47.100 And also it's kind of serving a purpose for the ongoing storyline 189 00:09:47.100 --> 00:09:50.759 which is we've just met Danny Pink, who's a soldier, and it's like 190 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:55.740 showing the doctor's absolute animosity and horror of soldiers. 191 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:59.279 So it's kind of like it's it's doing double duty. 192 00:09:59.340 --> 00:10:00.120 It's being fun. 193 00:10:00.179 --> 00:10:04.500 It's being enjoyable, but also it's a huge character moment that 194 00:10:04.500 --> 00:10:07.080 feeds into why Clara keeps him secret for so long. 195 00:10:07.139 --> 00:10:07.620 Yeah. 196 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:09.539 Which is, I think, is really deftly handled. 197 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:13.320 Although I kind of feel like it comes out of nowhere a little 198 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:13.620 bit. 199 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:19.200 Like the doctor's antipathy towards soldiers is really laid on 200 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.860 very thick here and it's not necessarily something we've had 201 00:10:22.860 --> 00:10:23.100 before. 202 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:26.460 And especially given that, you know, Capaldi's the 1st person 203 00:10:26.460 --> 00:10:30.000 since Pertwig, to have gray hair on the TARDIS, and he's spent a 204 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:30.779 lot of time with soldiers. 205 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 206 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:34.019 What did Mike friendly? 207 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:35.519 What did Mike Yates do? 208 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.340 Mike Gates has done something horrible. 209 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:38.940 Yeah. 210 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:40.740 It's an interesting point. 211 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.379 I don't want to, because it was just one of the things I wanted to 212 00:10:43.379 --> 00:10:44.460 ask all 3 of you. 213 00:10:44.820 --> 00:10:48.419 Watching this again, and like, Adam, it's the 1st time I've 214 00:10:48.419 --> 00:10:49.980 watched it since broadcast. 215 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:53.220 Bad fan, bad fan. it didn't really work for me. at the time. 216 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.820 And now I'm just saying, okay, you've really not strayed far from 217 00:10:56.820 --> 00:10:57.720 Malcolm Tucker. 218 00:10:57.779 --> 00:11:01.620 And I also mean stylistically performance wise, the actor's 219 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:02.039 tricks. 220 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:03.480 Have we said tropes yet? 221 00:11:03.539 --> 00:11:05.639 No. someone else say it. 222 00:11:05.700 --> 00:11:07.679 But I wonder if that's a safety thing. 223 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:11.279 I wonder if they're just sort of easing if that's a look. 224 00:11:11.340 --> 00:11:14.940 Let's just default to this and then the Colin Baker scenario that 225 00:11:14.940 --> 00:11:17.700 Adam mentioned that we'll work into making you. 226 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:21.720 It relies a lot on a committed audience, which they now know they 227 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:23.340 have after the 50th anniversary. 228 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:24.240 Yeah, yeah. 229 00:11:24.299 --> 00:11:27.179 They are relying on goodwill after the 50th anniversary. 230 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.220 I think it's something that's always been in Moffat's head. 231 00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:34.799 And I think the thing is that the 11th doctor is not a good person 232 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:36.240 in all sorts of ways. 233 00:11:36.299 --> 00:11:39.120 Oh, but doesn't he veil it well? 234 00:11:39.179 --> 00:11:39.659 He does. 235 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:40.379 Charming. 236 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:41.220 He's charming. 237 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.259 It's very southern counties. 238 00:11:43.379 --> 00:11:45.059 Well, yeah. 239 00:11:45.059 --> 00:11:46.139 Super posh. 240 00:11:46.379 --> 00:11:49.919 You know, we've got the self-hatred thing with the Dreamlord in 241 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:53.460 Amy's choice, which gets sort of hinted at and never brought up 242 00:11:53.460 --> 00:11:54.000 again. 243 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:55.440 The presages this doctorate. 244 00:11:55.500 --> 00:11:58.799 Well, yeah, and then you get him keeping secrets, you know, we get 245 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:02.220 him keeping secrets about Amy's pregnancy and about the crack in 246 00:12:02.220 --> 00:12:02.580 the wall. 247 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:07.740 We get him inviting everyone to see him shot dead by Lake Silencio 248 00:12:07.740 --> 00:12:08.759 hilariously. 249 00:12:08.820 --> 00:12:12.779 Like, he's kind of mean and he is a bit of a problem. 250 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:17.340 And even as far back as Russell, the doctor's a problem. 251 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:21.779 You think about the 1st episode or about Jackie's speech in Army 252 00:12:21.779 --> 00:12:22.320 of Ghosts. 253 00:12:22.379 --> 00:12:26.039 So the doctor's potentially a problem or potentially a bad 254 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:26.759 influence. 255 00:12:26.820 --> 00:12:33.120 And Moffatt always has this because, I mean, his 1st sitcom is 256 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.799 joking apart. 257 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:40.440 And joking apart is basically an autobiographical sitcom about how 258 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.240 he ruined his 1st marriage. 259 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:49.500 And we go from him blaming his wife for infidelity when it becomes 260 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:52.139 clear that the reason that she's with someone else is that he's 261 00:12:52.139 --> 00:12:53.100 just insufferable. 262 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:56.519 So Moffatt has this sort of thing where I'm the smartest person in 263 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:01.259 the room, but I'm also a bit awful and he brings that to both of 264 00:13:01.259 --> 00:13:01.980 his doctors. 265 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:05.580 And I think, so Capaldi, that's, I think, where Capaldi's thing 266 00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:06.000 comes from. 267 00:13:06.059 --> 00:13:10.080 It's not just Malcolm Tucker, but it is Moffatt's conception of 268 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:12.480 the character and Moffatt sort of self-inserting himself. 269 00:13:12.539 --> 00:13:16.139 I think also one of the problems with Capaldi is, like you were 270 00:13:16.139 --> 00:13:18.240 saying, he was very Malcolm Tucker in this series, and I think 271 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.200 they worked out how to write for him until he gets that big speech 272 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.820 in the Zygon 2 partter. 273 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:27.480 Yeah, they're like, oh, he's great at a monologue. 274 00:13:27.539 --> 00:13:31.559 And it's like, why is it taking you like a year and a half to work 275 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:32.940 out how to write for this character? 276 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:34.259 Then series 10. 277 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:36.659 It's just like a speech a week and they're all incredible. 278 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:39.779 But they should have known he was gracious to monologue had they 279 00:13:39.779 --> 00:13:40.679 watched the thick of it. 280 00:13:40.740 --> 00:13:42.779 Like, sure, that model was full of swearing. 281 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:45.840 Yeah, this is a fanboy homage to thick of it. 282 00:13:45.899 --> 00:13:48.779 I want to know if Armando Ianucci had watched this one because I'm 283 00:13:48.779 --> 00:13:50.879 sure the ship is named after Onassis. 284 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:56.460 I mean, we've got the same poor engineer lying on the floor of the 285 00:13:56.460 --> 00:13:58.440 TARDIS swearing exactly the same way. 286 00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:02.700 It just doesn't happen to be too lorry that she's swearing at, but 287 00:14:02.700 --> 00:14:04.139 it's so avenue five. 288 00:14:04.860 --> 00:14:06.960 Except the sets. 289 00:14:07.019 --> 00:14:09.899 Oh, I want to talk about the direction as well, but I'll let you 290 00:14:09.899 --> 00:14:12.000 guys about the direction of this episode. 291 00:14:12.059 --> 00:14:16.500 So it's Ben Wheatley and the set shoes. that's what actually made 292 00:14:16.500 --> 00:14:17.220 it flat for me. 293 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:21.419 Oh, I kind of like some of, like, I like the way the Daleks have 294 00:14:21.419 --> 00:14:22.799 been directed. 295 00:14:22.860 --> 00:14:24.480 I think Wheatley has gone. 296 00:14:24.539 --> 00:14:28.559 I'm going to blow up a lot of Daleks is going to look incredible. 297 00:14:28.620 --> 00:14:32.700 So a lot of those action scenes are actually radio controlled 12 298 00:14:32.700 --> 00:14:33.299 inches. 299 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:33.659 No. 300 00:14:33.659 --> 00:14:34.500 No. 301 00:14:34.500 --> 00:14:36.000 I like this. 302 00:14:36.059 --> 00:14:36.360 Yes. 303 00:14:36.659 --> 00:14:40.320 I got one of those for free when I took myself on a Doctor Who 304 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:41.220 trip to Cardiff. 305 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.759 It gave me like a remote control dalek. 306 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:46.980 And I was like, how am I meant to get this back to Australia? 307 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:50.759 I had to buy a suitcase and tickle them out without all the bits 308 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:51.360 dropping on. 309 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:54.899 Stop talking after about 3 weeks. 310 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:57.960 The ice stalk popped out. 311 00:14:58.019 --> 00:15:01.559 No, the ice stalks remain kind of intact. 312 00:15:01.620 --> 00:15:04.200 That's actually what the listeners wanted. 313 00:15:04.379 --> 00:15:06.720 How's the eye stalk going? 314 00:15:06.779 --> 00:15:08.100 It's bit droopy. 315 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:16.139 So I got real Resurrection of the Daleks vibe from that. 316 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:17.639 And I hate resurrection. 317 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:21.360 But I thought it was done really well. 318 00:15:21.419 --> 00:15:23.100 And I thought that they were really scary. 319 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.799 And I thought, you know, the corridors are kind of dressed. 320 00:15:25.860 --> 00:15:28.080 It's not just an abandoned hospital that they've just sort of 321 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.139 bunged some cameras in and told everyone to sort of a mose in 322 00:15:31.139 --> 00:15:31.620 front of. 323 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:36.720 And there's that scene where Uncle Stupid and his mates are all 324 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:41.519 sort of lined up to watch the Dalek cut through the metal door in 325 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:43.620 you know, the traditional time honoured fashion. 326 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:48.120 But it's all it's all sort of the set's all dressed with kind of 327 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:49.919 future space hospital things. 328 00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:52.980 That's an MOD facility. 329 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:53.820 Yeah, okay. 330 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:54.360 Yeah, yeah. 331 00:15:54.419 --> 00:15:55.019 Oh okay. 332 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:56.399 But it gives it a scale. 333 00:15:56.460 --> 00:15:57.360 It means you can run through it. 334 00:15:57.419 --> 00:16:00.299 It means you can have a lots of interesting things. 335 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:04.440 Yeah, I mean, I kind of miss the Dalek backgrounds that were all 336 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.539 the same burnished metal and stuff that they were. 337 00:16:06.659 --> 00:16:07.679 And the cardboard darling. 338 00:16:07.740 --> 00:16:08.340 Yeah, yeah. 339 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:09.419 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 340 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:15.000 Originally in the 1st draft of the scripts, there was only one 341 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:15.779 Dalek. 342 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.779 They didn't have... all of the sequence. 343 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.360 Yeah, like he was just David Dalek. 344 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:22.620 We're going to the Dalek. 345 00:16:22.740 --> 00:16:25.919 Well, Phil Ford had been writing, you know, Sarah Jane Adventure 346 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.080 so he'd probably gone, oh, I probably got 2 sets. 347 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:35.220 At some point, he went, oh, this might be unfavourably compared to 348 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:35.759 Dalek. 349 00:16:35.820 --> 00:16:39.960 I think I'll add in the invasion of the ship at the end. 350 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:44.039 It is very, very dalek, isn't it? 351 00:16:44.100 --> 00:16:45.179 Robert Sheman, darling. 352 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.080 Yeah, so it even has that line, there's a callback to it. 353 00:16:49.139 --> 00:16:52.799 Like, I think an explicit callback to it. because you have this 354 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:57.299 comparison of the doctor and the dalek, which is at the centre of 355 00:16:57.299 --> 00:16:59.159 Rob Shearman's story. 356 00:16:59.220 --> 00:17:04.680 And in Dalek, the Dalek says to the doctor, you would make a good 357 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:05.700 dalek. 358 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:09.480 And here I think the Dalek says to the doctor, you are a good 359 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:10.200 dalek. 360 00:17:10.259 --> 00:17:16.079 Capaldi says that the Dalek isn't a good Dalek, but his reply is 361 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:17.279 that, well, you are. 362 00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:20.759 I think the Dalek actually says, I am not a good Dalek. 363 00:17:20.819 --> 00:17:22.019 You are a good darling. 364 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:22.500 That's right. 365 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:22.799 Yeah. 366 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:23.220 Yeah. 367 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.619 Yeah, so it is sort of very deliberately that. 368 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.619 And we've got this sort of central question about, is the doctor a 369 00:17:28.619 --> 00:17:29.160 good person? 370 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:35.099 And I'm not sure. that it properly pays off either. 371 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:40.920 So I think it takes the doctor into a place that's sort of that's 372 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.880 beyond what at least this script and possibly the show can kind of 373 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.420 manage because you get him giving up. 374 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:53.640 He has to be slapped by Clara before he moves into action. 375 00:17:53.700 --> 00:17:56.460 And then the whole thing is solved, not by the fact that the 376 00:17:56.460 --> 00:17:59.220 doctor has a sense of the beauty and the wonder of the universe 377 00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:01.980 but because the doctor really hates the Daleks and has defined 378 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:05.819 himself against the Daleks ever since his 1st trip to Scaro. 379 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:10.319 So at the end of it, Clara says, I don't know if you're a good man 380 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:11.400 but I think you try to be. 381 00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:14.940 And I kind of just got the feeling that that was a little bit too 382 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:18.299 pat, and I don't know what he does, that gives her that 383 00:18:18.299 --> 00:18:18.779 impression. 384 00:18:18.900 --> 00:18:23.579 You know, the whole placement of Clara in this episode feels 385 00:18:23.579 --> 00:18:24.180 forced. 386 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.480 Like, it's like, oh, we want to set up this thing with her and 387 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.420 Danny Pink falling in love and get that sorted out. 388 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:36.059 And so the doctor's going to leave what is a dramatically exciting 389 00:18:36.059 --> 00:18:40.440 moment to then go back to Cohill, pick her up and take her back 390 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:41.519 into the narrative. 391 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:43.380 Like it's a weird... 392 00:18:43.380 --> 00:18:45.839 She feels kind of out of place from there on in. 393 00:18:45.900 --> 00:18:49.019 And I know we're meant to, you know, she's the co-star of the show 394 00:18:49.019 --> 00:18:53.460 that's been a co-headlining show for ever since 2005. 395 00:18:53.700 --> 00:18:56.099 But it just feels like the weirdest thing in the world. 396 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:00.779 Like wasn't there an easier way of doing that without having to 397 00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:02.160 leave and then come back. 398 00:19:02.220 --> 00:19:03.779 And you're like, I don't know. 399 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.839 And Moffatt does that a lot where it feels like he breaks the 400 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:11.579 dramatic tension by using the TARDIS in an almost magical way. that 401 00:19:11.579 --> 00:19:16.140 you kind of go, oh, I feel like you've just pulled the plug on all 402 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:17.460 the tension that we were building up. 403 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.880 Because he papers over it, doesn't he, by doing it in flashbacks? 404 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:23.880 So the doctor appears to pick her up and then we see the 405 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.539 conclusion of the scene, you know, what happens after the doctor 406 00:19:27.539 --> 00:19:29.460 you know, meets the dalek or whatever. 407 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:33.180 He does seem to Moffatt does seem to see women more as Advent 408 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:35.759 calendar treats, doesn't it? 409 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:40.740 And you don't quite know what you're going to eat day because it's 410 00:19:40.740 --> 00:19:42.299 going to be radically different from the day before. 411 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:45.059 I think we're getting a little window into Mr. Moffat's own home 412 00:19:45.059 --> 00:19:45.420 life. 413 00:19:45.420 --> 00:19:47.400 I think we might be before. 414 00:19:47.460 --> 00:19:50.940 I mean, here it's the usual thing where the doctor is kind of 415 00:19:50.940 --> 00:19:54.480 being useless and the reason that Clara needs to be there is to be 416 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.779 the grown-up in the situation, I guess, to be his carer. 417 00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:58.680 So he doesn't have to. 418 00:19:58.740 --> 00:20:00.539 Which is one of my favourite lines. 419 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.180 So he goes, I don't want to say assistant, which is kind of like 420 00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:04.500 what they've been called for. 421 00:20:04.500 --> 00:20:06.119 Yeah. time immemorial. 422 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:08.880 At least she's the one who says care. 423 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:12.480 Like, because you're a crazy old man and he's the subject. 424 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:13.920 Okay, so why don't you? 425 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:17.700 Later on they decide they're not even going to call them 426 00:20:17.700 --> 00:20:18.240 companions. 427 00:20:18.299 --> 00:20:19.140 Yeah. 428 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:20.519 They say friends. 429 00:20:20.579 --> 00:20:26.700 Because companion sounds like code for, you know, the policeman 430 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:28.319 the policeman says an aliens of London. 431 00:20:28.380 --> 00:20:29.519 Was this a sexual relationship? 432 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:32.700 Escort or? 433 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:34.980 I've been reading a lot of Agatha Christie. 434 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:38.700 And you're like, oh, you're looking after a maiden aunt. 435 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:39.180 Yeah. 436 00:20:39.180 --> 00:20:43.680 Do you remember the shock when McCoy's doctor referred to Ace, my 437 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:44.400 friend Ace? 438 00:20:44.460 --> 00:20:45.359 It was a revelation. 439 00:20:46.380 --> 00:20:48.720 Tom says she's my best friend. 440 00:20:48.779 --> 00:20:49.920 Yes, Sarah. 441 00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:51.000 Not 2nd best friend. 442 00:20:51.059 --> 00:20:52.680 That would be K9, I think. 443 00:21:07.740 --> 00:21:11.160 I mean, while we're on the subject of Clara, let's talk about the 444 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:15.240 romcom that is slowly breaking out over the course of the season. 445 00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:18.720 Oh, Danny Pink on my giant television. 446 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.000 He is a pretty man, isn't he? 447 00:21:21.059 --> 00:21:21.960 pretty Yeah. 448 00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:24.299 His voice is more plummy than I remember it. 449 00:21:24.420 --> 00:21:27.960 I thought he was a bit more rough, but no, he's very posh. 450 00:21:28.019 --> 00:21:29.039 R rough. 451 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:30.119 Yeah, right or rough. 452 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:32.640 That's a slightly growly voice, though. 453 00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:35.700 There is a little bit of kind of, I'm, you know, I think he's 454 00:21:35.700 --> 00:21:35.940 beautiful. 455 00:21:36.059 --> 00:21:39.180 But when he's ordering the cadets around, I'm like, oh, this are 456 00:21:39.180 --> 00:21:40.200 we in a World War one? 457 00:21:40.259 --> 00:21:42.720 Are we in the trenches? 458 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:45.299 No, because he wouldn't be an officer. 459 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:46.200 No, I know that. 460 00:21:46.259 --> 00:21:51.180 It's perfect, though, because it is, and it's going to happen 461 00:21:51.180 --> 00:21:51.900 throughout the season. 462 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.980 Moffat was a teacher and his 1st thing is press gang obviously 463 00:21:55.980 --> 00:21:56.819 said in a school. 464 00:21:56.940 --> 00:21:59.759 And he knows about teachers. 465 00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:04.859 And so everything that he does when he portrays Clara as a teacher 466 00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:06.420 which starts in day of the doctor. 467 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:09.720 Because she's a new character, all of us. 468 00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:10.380 Yes, that's right. 469 00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:14.039 We better give her something, another new father. 470 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.420 Another mother, even though her mother was dead. 471 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.180 Oh no, that was Linda, the wicked stepmother. 472 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:21.960 Was that who that was? 473 00:22:22.019 --> 00:22:22.380 Yeah, yeah. 474 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:23.460 Does she have an... 475 00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:28.259 I'm terrible that I don't want to see the crackers It's his 476 00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:30.240 attempt to do Annalise or Neres. 477 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:34.440 But it just ends up Clara fur combination, doesn't it? 478 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:35.819 I just feel like it's soup. 479 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:37.380 I had no idea. 480 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:40.619 Yeah, her family feel like, yeah, that's pantsuit. 481 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.720 So that thing where Danny is with the kids. 482 00:22:45.779 --> 00:22:50.579 And he does that sort of really cheesy dad joke about, you know 483 00:22:50.579 --> 00:22:51.599 what are you children? 484 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:53.099 And the kid goes, yes, sir. 485 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:56.039 And he goes, you know, I suppose you think you're funny, Fleming. 486 00:22:56.099 --> 00:22:58.079 And it says, yes, sir. 487 00:22:58.140 --> 00:23:01.619 And his response is, yeah, so do I. You're dismissed. 488 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:03.059 And so he kind of gets it. 489 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.539 And there is that scene, which is very sort of heavy handedly 490 00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:11.339 exposition, you know, about how he's killed civilians and we 491 00:23:11.339 --> 00:23:13.980 become aware of that. 492 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:16.079 But that just rings really true to me. 493 00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:19.079 Like that does seem like the way a classroom behaves. 494 00:23:19.140 --> 00:23:22.619 Yeah, like the unthinking way that children behave. 495 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.859 No, because the other children are shocked by the question or even 496 00:23:25.859 --> 00:23:27.299 a little bit annoyed by it. 497 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:32.460 And then the kid himself. is shocked by the response and everyone 498 00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:33.299 goes quiet. 499 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.240 It makes me think of that 1st episode of Beautiful People where 500 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:41.099 the kid asks the teacher and says, who does your hair miss the 501 00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:41.519 council? 502 00:23:41.579 --> 00:23:42.359 The counsellor. 503 00:23:43.500 --> 00:23:45.000 So great. 504 00:23:45.539 --> 00:23:47.819 And I'm like, oh, that's right. 505 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.500 British children are. 506 00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:54.779 But even the stuff, even the stuff in the staff room rings true 507 00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:57.960 and can we just sort of pour one out for the headmaster who is 508 00:23:57.960 --> 00:23:59.940 going to be horrifically killed? 509 00:23:59.940 --> 00:24:01.859 episode of class later on? 510 00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:05.880 I forgot about class. 511 00:24:05.940 --> 00:24:07.500 Yeah, yeah, same headmaster. 512 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:08.160 Yeah, it is. 513 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:08.640 It is. 514 00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:10.740 Bleak. 515 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.380 I think he's in Day of the Doctor, isn't he? 516 00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:13.980 Or is he? 517 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:14.640 I can't remember. 518 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:16.440 But so he introduces them here. 519 00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:18.539 But I think all of that stuff really works very well. 520 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:20.579 And in fact, this is the 1st episode. 521 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:27.180 So we get the 1st interaction between Clara and Danny goes away 522 00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:29.039 into a classroom and bangs his head on the table. 523 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:30.420 Very sitcom. 524 00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:31.920 And you're very Moffat. 525 00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:32.759 Very Moffat. 526 00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:35.400 And intercutting between that interaction and then the 527 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:36.059 consequences. 528 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:39.599 And then he'll do the same thing from Clara's direction, in listen 529 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.619 where Clara stuffs up their 1st date and we get to intercut 530 00:24:43.619 --> 00:24:47.700 between her reaction to that and it happening in real time. 531 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.200 So it's a thing that he does. 532 00:24:49.259 --> 00:24:52.740 It is, that's why Moffatt, I think, gets the co-writing credit on 533 00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:54.000 some. 534 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.240 Yeah, I think he was writing all the ongoing storylines and the 535 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:00.660 other writers were writing the half hour action series. 536 00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:03.779 It's interesting, though. 537 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:08.160 They had initially in the early draft of the scripts been 538 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.039 intending for the characters to already be dating. 539 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:12.420 Oh, okay. 540 00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:15.839 And so you would have lost all of that fabulous sort of sitcom. 541 00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:17.279 Oh, no, you need to meet cute. 542 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:18.119 Yeah. 543 00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:18.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 544 00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:22.859 It was the right decision to... to actually show them meeting. 545 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:24.960 But it completely... 546 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.920 I love it and I think it's great, but it's it comes weirdly out of 547 00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.740 nowhere when you're in the middle of a thrust of what is an 548 00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:32.940 exciting Doctor Who episode. 549 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.099 Like there's a Dalek that's been revealed. 550 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:37.019 Oh my god, what are we going to do? 551 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.359 We're going to shrink people and stick them in the Dalek and then 552 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:42.599 I know we're going to go back and have some school hijinks now. 553 00:25:42.660 --> 00:25:44.700 And then come back and be excited again. 554 00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:45.720 And it's like, no. 555 00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:48.000 Like there's no ads in this show. 556 00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:49.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 557 00:25:49.859 --> 00:25:50.519 That's the point. 558 00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:52.559 I was thinking when you were saying that before. 559 00:25:52.619 --> 00:25:56.339 Is he, is this metoriting for these generation that has an iPad 560 00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:58.079 and a phone and a TV at the same time? 561 00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:00.839 And they don't mind the jump cutting because I find it really 562 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:01.319 distracting. 563 00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:04.920 Yeah, maybe he's been watching so many YouTube videos, people 564 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.859 talking about his shows, that he's gone, oh yeah, people don't 565 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:08.039 care. 566 00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:10.799 Like people don't care if there's jump cuts in the middle of a 567 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:11.099 sentence. 568 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:12.779 And maybe the under 30s don't. 569 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:13.440 Maybe. 570 00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:18.000 But, I mean, once the once Clara turns up on the Aristotle, we're 571 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.740 pretty much just there on the Aristotle. 572 00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:20.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 573 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:26.099 And the only episodes, like I haven't watched all the way through 574 00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:28.440 the season again, but the only episode... 575 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:29.940 Well, I have but not for a while. 576 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.259 The only episodes, I think, where we really focus on that is 577 00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:39.960 listen, which is taking place during their 1st date and then going 578 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:44.460 to various other places, sort of, and then the caretaker, which is 579 00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:46.319 obviously where the whole thing kind of comes to a head. 580 00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:49.079 The moment of Missy also was a delight. 581 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.599 Like, anytime I see Michelle Gomez. 582 00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:53.279 I just I melt. 583 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.559 And directed by Rachel Talele. 584 00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:56.039 Yeah, yeah. 585 00:26:56.099 --> 00:27:00.180 Oh, so she did she do all of the missy scenes to observe another 586 00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:00.660 summer. 587 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:01.380 She didn't. 588 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:04.859 Ben Wheatley wasn't available to do the scenes in deep breath and 589 00:27:04.859 --> 00:27:08.880 in into the Dalek and so she just took his notes and did them. 590 00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:11.519 I'm really sad he didn't get to do any more Doctor Who. 591 00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:14.460 Like he only did these 2 and then went off and made high rise. 592 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.259 Ah, okay. 593 00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:20.759 Like he, but yeah, I, I just think, because so many of the 594 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:23.880 directors in the Moffat era don't understand story. 595 00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:28.619 And he obviously has a real handle on the cut and thrust of how 596 00:27:28.619 --> 00:27:31.559 this works, as does Talalay. 597 00:27:31.619 --> 00:27:32.220 Like she's great. 598 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:33.599 You're right. 599 00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:36.359 Direction is excellent on this and it was actually set design. 600 00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:38.339 Oh, the set design is dull. 601 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.140 It's just so white. 602 00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:43.740 And coming from that background myself, I always notice. 603 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.599 I thought, I'll be back in the 80s, it's so white. 604 00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:46.920 But it's so many levels. 605 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:50.099 But it's because the script says hospital and hospital says 606 00:27:50.099 --> 00:27:50.640 white. 607 00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:54.000 And I don't understand why it was a hospital ship that had become 608 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:54.660 a warship. 609 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.240 Like I kind of felt like that was something they were trying to 610 00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:57.720 labour. 611 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.960 I think it's so that they have a reason to have the shrinking 612 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:02.039 device on board. 613 00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:07.200 But also an excuse to have the 1st T and Aristotle will be the Red 614 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:07.500 Cross. 615 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.440 Yeah, and it just it just all felt like excuses. 616 00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:13.019 Like, you know, there's there are a lot of excuses in this episode 617 00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:17.700 for like, oh, let's have an excuse to have weird, like, eyeballs 618 00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:18.720 shooting at us in the corridor. 619 00:28:18.779 --> 00:28:20.579 They're antibodies. 620 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.799 What do you think of the inside of the Dalek? 621 00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:24.359 It's weird. 622 00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:27.960 It was weirdly Star Trekian. 623 00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:29.940 Very, thank you. 624 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.200 It was very TNG. 625 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.779 Oh, I'm not going to be unkind and say enterprise, but it was very 626 00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:34.500 tangent. 627 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.079 But I've got to say this time around, and I thought it was flat at 628 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.059 the time, but this time around paying attention. 629 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:42.000 I can really see, especially when you look into its bowels. 630 00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:46.140 And Matt Berry would say, that's a great shot for that budget. 631 00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:46.980 I'm really impressed. 632 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.859 I think Clara crawling up and pressing all the buttons. 633 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.920 Yeah, that was an impressive. like dynamic bit of work. 634 00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:54.420 That's the power station. 635 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:59.160 I mean, the way that they sort of, you know, Matt in the Dalek 636 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.180 balls and sort of grills and stuff and give it a kind of sort of 637 00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:06.240 verticality, which I think they sell. 638 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:07.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 639 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.640 And I think just using those design elements and, you know, it 640 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.059 enables them to create sort of what seem like quite large spaces. 641 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.619 But also, like, again, sometimes I feel like Moffat just gets a 642 00:29:19.619 --> 00:29:22.680 bit lazy and goes, oh, you know what was really good in the 2nd 643 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.119 episode of Matt Smith is everyone fell down a pipe into a bowl of 644 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:27.420 poo. 645 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.460 Oh, we'll do it again. 646 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:30.900 Because that's a good character moment. 647 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:32.160 People falling in a bucket of poo. 648 00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:33.599 It's the 2nd episode as well. 649 00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:34.559 Second episode. 650 00:29:34.619 --> 00:29:38.880 Well, I think Russell does it in New Earth, which is tenant, 2nd 651 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:39.180 episode. 652 00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.779 And I think it is something about just breaking out of the studio 653 00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:43.380 a bit. 654 00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:45.660 Like if everyone's in a big puddle. 655 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.500 You know, then we're not, then we're not in, we're not in the 656 00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:49.799 studio. 657 00:29:49.859 --> 00:29:53.279 I got to tell you, filming when you're wet is the most terrific 658 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:53.700 thing in the world. 659 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:59.579 I just, I spent my entire 2nd watch through, just working out how 660 00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:01.500 damp they were at each point. 661 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:04.920 And he does say the thing where we're going through this heated 662 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.519 you know, like a decontamination tunnel and it's hot. 663 00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:13.079 So to justify the fact that, because he looks, he looks like an 664 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:14.099 insane old man. 665 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.240 He goes hair all sticking up in all these horns and stuff. 666 00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.220 It's like he's just washed your cat. 667 00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:24.359 And you've got Clara talking about just what a crazy old man he is 668 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:25.980 as well at the same time. 669 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:26.880 I think that's really great. 670 00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:29.940 But just gradually everything's sort of very neat and clean to the 671 00:30:29.940 --> 00:30:32.519 point where I was surprised that Clara even bothered to change 672 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:32.940 clothes. 673 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.400 It's very Rick and Morty, that sure. 674 00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:36.960 Yeah, it really is. 675 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.200 I'm just 2 months out of the Pasolini festival. 676 00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:44.819 So any discussion of Salo is still really redolent when I watch 677 00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:45.000 this. 678 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.539 It's just like the practicalities of filming something like that 679 00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:51.119 is it's like, okay, we're going to set up for a wide shot now. 680 00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:55.619 And it's taken you all day to do like 5 or 6 minutes of a show and 681 00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:57.960 someone has to come and apply more wet. 682 00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:00.539 So you're just sitting there. 683 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.220 It's like, we're just going to spray, you know, with water. 684 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:03.480 It's like I've been damp all day. 685 00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:04.079 Thanks. 686 00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:05.880 I just can't wait to be more damp. 687 00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:07.380 Moisturise. 688 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:08.640 You spend the whole day wet. 689 00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:09.720 It is gross. 690 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:15.299 And I regret ever writing. rain into my TV show. 691 00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:17.940 But do you why do you think they do it here? 692 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.039 Like, I think is it? 693 00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:21.000 I think because it's easy. 694 00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:22.619 It's like it's a funny moment. 695 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.599 Kids are going to laugh because they're in poo. 696 00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:25.319 Yeah, yeah. 697 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:26.640 Like, it's implied that it's poo. 698 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.019 It's dalek poo. 699 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:32.460 It's just, you know, what do kids love more than anything is pull 700 00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:32.940 my finger. 701 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:36.359 He's going to really lean into that next year for the Dalek 2 702 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:37.079 partner. 703 00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:39.180 The sewers are revolting in that. 704 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.039 It's all a bit you can't do that on television. 705 00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:42.180 Yeah, yeah. 706 00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:42.779 Slime. 707 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:43.259 It's marked. 708 00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:46.559 It's just, it's, it's a guffaw moment for a 10 year old. 709 00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:48.539 It's like, ah, they're covered in poo. 710 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.920 I mean, I still think Capaldi's line in that is absolutely genius 711 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:53.160 though. 712 00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:55.859 It's so brutal and so cruel. 713 00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:56.880 Oh, yeah. 714 00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:58.559 That's the other thing I find weird. 715 00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:03.000 It's like these moments of very low humour in, you know, we've 716 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:04.259 fallen into a bucket of poo. 717 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:09.119 And then these really grown up very cynical jokes. 718 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.819 Like, I love that they're brought in Phil Ford, who's been writing 719 00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:15.480 a kids' show for the last 4 or 5 years and tried to make something 720 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.039 that's a bit more accessible because Moffatt had, you know, gone 721 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.799 off the reservation and had started writing the most grown-up 722 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:24.599 science fiction ever. 723 00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:28.680 And it was like people were enjoying it, but I feel like if you 724 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.720 were a kid, it's just confusing. 725 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:31.380 It makes no sense. 726 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.319 And here it's like, oh, no, let's get back to the things that kids 727 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.259 love, which is falling in a bucket of poo and shrinking people and 728 00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:38.099 injecting them in. 729 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.859 Like, you know, when I was a kid, that's fantastic for you, which 730 00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:41.339 is amazing. 731 00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:42.539 Like you love all that stuff. 732 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:48.000 And so it's got all these big, silly, crazy science fiction ideas 733 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:48.779 that kids love. 734 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:54.000 But then this kind of nasty, cynical dialogue and you're like, and 735 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.460 it's, you know, it's almost like it's set at a school just to go 736 00:32:56.460 --> 00:32:58.140 oh, yeah, no, it's a kids show. 737 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.400 But I mean, I guess that's pretty close to what Doctor Who should 738 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:03.660 be doing, isn't it? 739 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:08.819 So it's the juxtaposition of the everyday life with something 740 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.000 alien and operating on several levels, you know, Tom's thing, Tom's 741 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.420 old speech about how the kids are watching this and saying, isn't 742 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:18.779 this wonderful? 743 00:33:18.779 --> 00:33:21.660 And the older brothers, they're laughing at it and the parents are 744 00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:22.440 loving it as well. 745 00:33:22.500 --> 00:33:26.400 And so having, you know, very broad humour and very obvious things 746 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:30.180 and then combining it with this sort of meditation on whether the 747 00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:31.079 doctor's a hero or not. 748 00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:33.000 That comes back to what Adam was saying. 749 00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:34.259 It's just clicked for me. 750 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:39.180 That all works. when the centrifuge, the hub has charisma and 751 00:33:39.180 --> 00:33:40.559 charm and you adore him. 752 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.920 And I think that's the problem in the 1st part of this season. 753 00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:46.500 Maybe the rating figures reflected at Jameson. 754 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.319 But we are not... still quite high at this point. 755 00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:52.319 Yeah, but we're not being allowed to, and I get it. 756 00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:57.779 It's Tucker in an undertaker's coat, but do we love him? 757 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.240 Is he a good man means, do we adore you yet? 758 00:34:00.299 --> 00:34:04.859 Tom, it was, we adored him from the 1st moment he called Harry 759 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:06.299 imbassy. 760 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:10.019 Yes, and skipped and did all. 761 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:10.980 It's only qualified. 762 00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.219 Indeed. 763 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.320 I miss it. miss all that. 764 00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:20.760 And maybe actually having more of Danny Pink earlier on in the 765 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:26.219 sort of in the alpha Mickey Smith kind of role might have 766 00:34:26.219 --> 00:34:27.000 alleviated that. 767 00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:31.860 But when the doctor is working against or his own charm offensive 768 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.480 It's quite hard to hug the show, isn't it, in the same way. 769 00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:40.440 So I think that we have this sort of weird situation where sort of 770 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.780 2 episodes after Clara's told the time lords off for not loving 771 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:46.380 the doctor. 772 00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:50.099 And then 2 episodes later, she can't say whether he's a good man 773 00:34:50.099 --> 00:34:50.579 or not. 774 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.019 I think, I mean, I think there is that, and I guess we just sort 775 00:34:55.019 --> 00:34:57.840 of assume the doctor's a different person now that Capoldi's been 776 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.900 cast and, you know, all previous bets are off. 777 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:01.980 I don't know. 778 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.440 Like as an adult now, I actually really like this doctor. 779 00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:11.219 And I guess the bit where I'm not on board is the bit where he has 780 00:35:11.219 --> 00:35:15.239 to be slapped into kind of behaving properly. 781 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.159 But, you know, we get the contrast between the way that he reacts 782 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.880 to Ross's death by throwing him the battery and then just letting 783 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:28.079 him get killed and then the way he responds to Gretchen's death 784 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.360 where she nobly sacrifices herself. 785 00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:35.099 And he promises to name something amazing after her. 786 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.619 Like, he's really on board by the end of the episode. 787 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.199 I think that's what they're trying to do, not just with this 788 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:41.820 episode, but with his character. 789 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:47.159 They're trying to do that Colin Baker type portrayal, but soften 790 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.440 him through the series and earn, earn, like, earn him the right to 791 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.619 call ins off the doctor again, I guess, is probably, you know, a 792 00:35:55.619 --> 00:35:56.639 basic way of looking at it. 793 00:35:56.699 --> 00:36:03.119 And by the time you get to series 10, like he is a much more 794 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:07.199 likeable character, you do go on a journey with this character, but 795 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.179 are they laying it on too thick here? 796 00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:14.940 I think also maybe that was kind of the intention of the, the war 797 00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:19.320 doctor was meant to be a prickly kind of nasty doctor, but John 798 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.719 Hurt just plays it with, he's so cuddly. 799 00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:23.039 Such. 800 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.320 You're just like, I want to love you. 801 00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:28.980 I want to watch all of these episodes that we never saw. 802 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:30.179 What a delight. 803 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:31.559 Yeah, he's adorable. 804 00:36:31.619 --> 00:36:33.059 That scene with him and Jenna. 805 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.380 It's so great. 806 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.059 He's very sweet. 807 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:42.119 Yeah, I, like, there is some discourse around the Capoldi doctor's 808 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:48.059 portrayal and one of the writers of the series suggests that they 809 00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:49.980 weren't going into it with any intention of doing that. 810 00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:53.699 Just as I think Collins claimed that, you know, the layers of the 811 00:36:53.699 --> 00:36:56.460 onion were going to be peeled back and we would discover the Colin 812 00:36:56.460 --> 00:36:59.940 was lovely, there's no way anyone in the production or right, like 813 00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:04.139 Saywood's not coming up with that as a long-term theme is not 814 00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:04.440 going to happen. 815 00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:06.840 And so there are characters that never meet the doctor. 816 00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:11.159 It was basically Colin saying, I was hoping that they would. 817 00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:11.460 Yeah. 818 00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:11.820 Yeah. 819 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:13.619 So I don't think they were doing that. 820 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:15.900 I do think that they were going to have a Doctor Who was a bit 821 00:37:15.900 --> 00:37:21.360 more kind of Tom in horror fang rock. which is an absolutely valid 822 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.579 way of being the doctor and a way of being the doctor that I 823 00:37:23.579 --> 00:37:24.059 really like. 824 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:29.940 And so having a doctor who's not sentimental and is a bit rude in 825 00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:34.199 the way that he, I mean, that thing about, I must have been making 826 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.980 that up to pass the time while other people were talking. 827 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:39.360 That's Tom, isn't it? 828 00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:42.300 Tom not reading the pages of the script that he's not in. 829 00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:44.159 You know. 830 00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:47.760 So I think that that's what we're going for, and I think that's 831 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.659 quite good, but I think that probably the beginning of the season 832 00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:53.699 goes at it from so many different directions. 833 00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:58.440 I mean, next week, we're going to have the is the doctor a hero 834 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:02.219 thing and that's going to be much lighter and fluffier than this 835 00:38:02.219 --> 00:38:03.360 version. 836 00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:05.099 And also that weird jealousy that he's got going. 837 00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 838 00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:09.300 I also, I think I see what you're saying about that, but it kind 839 00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:12.659 of, it still makes no sense of him going and getting Clara. 840 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:19.380 Like, just that action makes no sense of this character in this 841 00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:19.739 episode. 842 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.039 It's like like, yes, he's got those coffee cups. 843 00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:26.639 But like when was the last time the doctor actually finished 844 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:27.960 anything he meant to start? 845 00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:28.500 Yeah. 846 00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:32.940 That's just, it's just weird that he goes and gets her and brings 847 00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:33.360 her back. 848 00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:38.099 It just felt like a really strange... 849 00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:38.699 With the coffee. 850 00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:42.300 That he's forgotten and remembers in the middle of a Dalek 851 00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:44.940 adventure, he has to get the coffee he forgot from 3 weeks ago. 852 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.760 Yeah, he hasn't seen her since Deep Breath. 853 00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:51.900 He's sent off for coffee after deep breath ends, I think. 854 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:52.739 Yeah. 855 00:38:52.739 --> 00:38:56.039 So like the last thing she's had, last interaction she's had with 856 00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.960 him was Matt Smith ringing her up on the phone. 857 00:38:58.019 --> 00:38:58.980 Yeah. 858 00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:02.820 And now he's just turned up and dragged her inside a dale. 859 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:08.219 Also, there's that kind of almost a callback to Clara Jane's 860 00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:08.579 leaving. 861 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.539 Like I saw you 3 weeks ago in Glasgow. 862 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:13.260 Yes. 863 00:39:13.739 --> 00:39:17.400 And fortunately, Moffatt is allowed to write the line. 864 00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:23.519 Glasgow, that's dead in a ditch. which is yet another thing about 865 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:27.599 Glasgow that he's another way he's dissed Glasgow in the last few 866 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:28.320 episodes. 867 00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:31.199 Look, it's a little plate class, guy. 868 00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:47.099 So, there is a sort of parallel, isn't there, where the doctor 869 00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:51.599 materialises around Journey Blue and rescues her from death, and 870 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.619 then Gretchen gets rescued from death or she's dead, but then 871 00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:57.119 she's rescued by Missy. 872 00:39:57.179 --> 00:40:00.000 But I mean, then obviously the sort of being parallel, isn't it? 873 00:40:00.059 --> 00:40:02.159 Between Danny and the doctor. 874 00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:05.699 So they're not just being set up to oppose one another by the 875 00:40:05.699 --> 00:40:07.980 doctor's sudden antipathy towards soldiers. 876 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.119 We're setting up the question of what their heroism entails. 877 00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:12.900 Yeah. 878 00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:16.679 I feel like sometimes Moffatt just has like a little bag on his 879 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:21.119 table with, you know, storylines in it, which is doctor appears 880 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.239 and saves someone, like, because it's night of the doctor again. 881 00:40:24.300 --> 00:40:27.780 Yeah, turning up and just saving some random person from a Dalek 882 00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:28.019 attack. 883 00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:30.360 Fridge magnet script drive. 884 00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:32.639 It kind of feels like that sometimes. 885 00:40:32.699 --> 00:40:35.579 It's like, oh, I need to make a Doctor Who episode, but I really 886 00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:39.480 want to write this romantic comedy about Clara and Danny Pink, but 887 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:41.880 I've got to do some Dalek thing because I've contractually 888 00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:43.199 obligated to put them in once a year. 889 00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:46.559 So they've really missed a trick, they're not having one of those 890 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:51.119 magnet games, which has elements of Doctor Who scripts and you 891 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.280 make your own Doctor Who script on the fridge. 892 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.420 And submitted to Big Finish. 893 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.639 As a whole box set. 894 00:40:56.699 --> 00:40:58.440 Maybe that's how they do it. 895 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.320 Trinity Wells. 896 00:41:02.699 --> 00:41:04.980 The further adventures. 897 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:06.960 I should say it 3 times. 898 00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:10.019 There's no way Nick Briggs listens to this. 899 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.260 They did do one. 900 00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:17.039 Nathan making a joke once in this about Trinity Wells having her 901 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:17.519 own big finish. 902 00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:18.480 I was like, oh, hilarious. 903 00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:21.719 And I was listening to, I think it's a Captain Jackbox set and she 904 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:22.320 has a whole episode. 905 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:23.460 What? 906 00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:26.099 It really does. 907 00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:28.619 Just say it 3 times. 908 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.139 The new suite has got her own show. 909 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.860 I think that this is like Moffat's most RTD season. 910 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.480 And Moffat can't do soap opera characters the way that Russell 911 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:42.780 can. 912 00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:45.599 But Moffatt can do sitcom dialogue. 913 00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:49.079 And so he just puts those 2 into a romantic comedy. 914 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.139 And I think at the end of the series, that doesn't quite work 915 00:41:52.139 --> 00:41:57.840 because, you know, horrible tragedy happens in episode 11 spoilers 916 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.380 which doesn't fit into the romantic comedy genre at all. 917 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.400 It's horrible. 918 00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:07.619 But I think he does quite a good job of the romantic comedy and I 919 00:42:07.619 --> 00:42:09.900 think that there is quite a lot of mileage out of it. 920 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.019 I think that setting it up this way isn't a bad idea. 921 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:18.360 I feel like the characters now belong somewhere and operating in a 922 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:23.340 world and I didn't feel like that about series 7. at all, you 923 00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:23.579 know. 924 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:29.460 Again, like I said earlier, I, I, once I unhook myself from what 925 00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:32.400 is going on with Clara, who she meant to be, like what is this 926 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:33.659 ongoing storyline? 927 00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:41.940 Also, I feel like apparently when Capaldi was cast, he said, I 928 00:42:41.940 --> 00:42:46.260 don't want any storylines that are hanging over. from before. 929 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.980 Like, he, like, as I think Moffat had intended to drag that crack 930 00:42:49.980 --> 00:42:52.980 in the wall thing all the way through to the end, which is why 931 00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:58.199 that final Matt Smith episode feels like 17 episodes jammed into 932 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:04.920 one because he had kind of been given this edict of, I want a 933 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.440 fresh page other than carrying over Clara. 934 00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:11.639 But like, but also Clara's ongoing storyline has stopped and she's 935 00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.019 starting. she a new person. 936 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.699 Yes, she's a new character, the same face. 937 00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:19.320 The only thing that's left over is the woman who gives Clara the 938 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.659 number which she phones at the beginning of Els of St. 939 00:43:21.659 --> 00:43:23.820 John, which gets referenced in time high. 940 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:27.420 Yeah, in a way, that's like the master reaching back. 941 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:28.019 Yes. 942 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:28.559 Yes. 943 00:43:34.619 --> 00:43:38.400 The way this season is pulled together with all of this chaos is 944 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.659 to have whatever that Game of Thrones tic-tac-toe thing is, the 945 00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:45.840 chaotics, Adam is Michelle Gomez. 946 00:43:45.900 --> 00:43:48.659 Well, Missy and Michelle Gomez, as we know, are the same person. 947 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:53.579 And to have her reach back complain to the Smith era or to reach 948 00:43:53.579 --> 00:43:55.559 forward, we are totally on board with that. 949 00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:58.860 And we actually need that level of chaos, and I would say that 950 00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:03.539 this doctor actually requires it in the same way that Pertwi's 951 00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:07.019 doctor just really needed a big brandy balloon to get his fingers 952 00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:09.659 around and high roger. 953 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:10.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 954 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:11.699 Yeah. 955 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:12.539 No, I think that's right. 956 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.880 I think that's the thing that makes this work. 957 00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:19.380 We had series 7, which, you know, had 2 arcs, but was kind of 958 00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:22.019 apologising for both of them and one of them wasn't very good. 959 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:26.820 And this one is, let's have the rom-com, which is something that 960 00:44:26.820 --> 00:44:30.300 Moffat can write, and let's have Michelle Gomez because she's 961 00:44:30.300 --> 00:44:30.960 incredibly great. 962 00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:36.360 And I think, you know, as most of these seasons have been suffer 963 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.159 from Sherlock also being made at the same time. 964 00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:41.639 Yeah, yeah, you know, I feel like someone's right off the ball. 965 00:44:41.699 --> 00:44:44.219 As you, I'm sure you'll all discussed. 966 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.500 We talked about metabilist. 967 00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.940 Well, dear listener, that's all we have time for this week. 968 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.119 We'll be back next week to rob from the rich and give to filthy 969 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:21.119 people with bad teeth in Robot of Sherwood. 970 00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:25.019 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 971 00:45:25.019 --> 00:45:27.960 and you can keep up with us at flights or entirety on Facebook, at 972 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:32.219 FTE podcast on Twitter, and on our website, flightthroughentirety 973 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.159 com, where you'll find links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger 974 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:39.480 Jody interterra, maximum power, and untitled Star Trek project. 975 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.940 Adam, where can people find you? 976 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.219 Uh, in the toilet at the pub? 977 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:45.119 No. 978 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.119 Richard on Twitter. 979 00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:53.340 Or my podcast, Adam Richard has a theory, and me, I am a memoir 980 00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:55.019 the meaning of the meaning of Mariah Carey. 981 00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.539 That's my 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now has a mastodon 995 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:43.980 account, which you can check out at FDE podcast at mastodon 996 00:46:42.539 --> 00:46:43.980 online. 997 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:44.940 See you there. 998 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.559 My theory is that John Pert, we can't pronounce planet names 999 00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:56.159 correctly. 1000 00:46:56.219 --> 00:47:04.260 Because, so, of course, it's Spiriton, and per tweet pronounces it 1001 00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:06.239 spired on, so he's just got money. 1002 00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:08.400 Do we have it out? 1003 00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:09.599 I think we probably have an hour. 1004 00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:10.260 What do you think? 1005 00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:12.420 And we're 56. 1006 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:13.559 I think that's... 1007 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:14.460 Plus, you went to the tour. 1008 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.579 No, I didn't. 1009 00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:18.780 That was Peter has arrived. 1010 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.960 Yeah, I think we're done Yeah, cool. 1011 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.639 Yeah, yeah, because I've already recorded the outro. 1012 00:47:23.699 --> 00:47:25.559 All I need to... 1013 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:25.980 Anything? 1014 00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:26.820 Any more facts we need? 1015 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.460 I don't know, right? 1016 00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:32.099 Like 7.29 million? 1017 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:32.880 That's not bad. 1018 00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:35.820 Which wasn't much less than the previous week. 1019 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:36.599 Deep breath. 1020 00:47:36.659 --> 00:47:37.079 Yeah. 1021 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:37.380 Yeah. 1022 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:41.820 No, everyone stops watching Doctor Who around about episode 6 or 1023 00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:42.059 seven. 1024 00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:43.920 The original edits. 1025 00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:50.159 Yeah, had Rusty going up to the Dalek saucer. and blowing them all 1026 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:50.340 up. 1027 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.639 And they went, no, let's cut that out. 1028 00:47:53.699 --> 00:47:56.519 So we can bring him back at the end of Christmas. 1029 00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:58.139 Yeah, I feel like, yeah. 1030 00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.380 I wanted I wanted a 3rd rusty. 1031 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.300 Like, it's weird that Rusty just turns up one more time. 1032 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:05.519 Well, it's just because he had nothing. 1033 00:48:05.579 --> 00:48:08.940 That's him riding a completely on fumes. 1034 00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:10.860 He's got nothing. 1035 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:12.300 Nothing in the team. 1036 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:17.159 He's emptied his bag of magnets. that 10 minute speech of 1037 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.679 Capaldi's where he's hurling himself around the set. 1038 00:48:19.739 --> 00:48:21.719 Only children can know your name. 1039 00:48:21.780 --> 00:48:22.440 Christ. 1040 00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:26.940 Capaldi mansplains to Jodie Whittaker how to play the doctor when 1041 00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:27.300 she comes on. 1042 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:34.139 There's, I, we had to watch that episode like months early and had 1043 00:48:34.139 --> 00:48:38.460 it had no special effects and Mark gave it wrestling with a green 1044 00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:39.000 balloon. 1045 00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:42.659 Like, one of the goodies being attacked by a gerbil. 1046 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:44.579 Quite a delight. 1047 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:45.420 There's the title. 1048 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.280 Ad Kitten Kong. 1049 00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:48.780 All right, I'm gonna... 1050 00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:49.440 And that's the title.