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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast with a hat so big that not even our closest friends can recognise us.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Adrian, and I'm a long-shanked rogue with a mighty nose and a thingy for Errol Flynn for this one.

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Well, it's a bright and sunny autumn in Nottingham and wafting gently on the breeze is the smell of burning peasant, but soon a quintessentially British hero will be along to overthrow the villain and save the day, or maybe even 2 of them.

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It's robot of Sherwood.

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So, Todd, have you had an experience with this episode?

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I always have an experience with this episode, Nathan.

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I have a good experience with this episode.

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I've always loved this episode.

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Always.

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Right from the day one.

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You weren't angry about the gold arrow.

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A lot of anger about the gold arrow out there, I think.

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Okay, that was the one thing that I probably didn't like, but I accept it now, but I really loved this after last week's episode into the Dalek, which I find really harsh and quite humourless.

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And here, for the 1st time, actually marry the humour with the grumpiness of the Capaldi doctor and his annoyance at humans who don't understand his plans, you know, and what he's doing.

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And in deep breath, there's humour, in isolation from the grumpiness, but not really together.

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Whereas here it's a marriage.

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And I really just love it from the beginning.

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Actually, I think it's the scene where he where Capaldi is going around the merry men and doing his whole analysis.

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That's where I just went, you've nailed it. is where I want this to go.

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That's actually stolen from the moon base, isn't it?

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Doesn't Troughton do that?

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He goes around sort of testing people's clothing and chopping bits off their very much does.

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He very much does, as does Alan Ladd Sr. in the original 1938 edition of Robot. of Sherwood, starring Errol Flynn, and Basil Rathbone, and Olivia de Haviland, and that corn gold score.

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This is the 1st time, I know we're jumping around, but hey, it's the podcast.

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It's really, you know, did everyone come to find Murraygold a little bit, oh, you're still here.

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But he really knows his musicology in music history, and there isn't a composer who doesn't love corn gold, and he just, he does a few little revs.

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Oh, I love you for this, including that scene where the doctor and Robin meet each other on the log is absolutely shot for shot, almost shot for shot, the same scene in 1938's Robin Hood and beautifully done.

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And the spoon, a lovely pot to Sylvester McCoy, he's not forgotten.

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And Michael Curtiz is beautiful.

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I just remember the director.

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Michael Cortiz is beautiful, beautiful, Errol Flynn discovery.

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He had a very big talent.

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I think that's what he was going to say in this.

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He said ego, I think.

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But yes, he was probably intending to say.

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Syphilitic history.

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Yes, well, yes.

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Tag.

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There's the episode time.

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He went to Scott's.

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Did you know that?

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Errol Flynn.

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But yeah, he did actually.

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Yeah, he did.

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He grew up in Tasmania?

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No, he was fishing down there.

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He was a posh boy who didn't really need to work and then he just like ladies.

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Unlike this podcast.

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Come on.

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Do you remember your 1st experience of watching this, Adrian?

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I did not appreciate this episode nearly as much the 1st time around.

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I enjoyed it, but I think it was completely shackled by the weight of expectations about who is this new doctor, what can this new doctor do?

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What is the dynamic between this doctor and that companion?

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Whereas I think this time around, I watched it thinking, it's actually just a really fun episode.

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In a Star Trek world, it would be a holiday episode.

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Um, and because it doesn't have um, a huge complexities to the storyline.

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It's actually just really fun and good at what it does.

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Yeah, I think that's right.

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Star Trek actually does do a Robin Hood episode, but it's not a holiday one.

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It's Q, isn't it?

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It's Cupid where Q makes, I think, makes Picard Robin and Vash, Mate Marian.

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I actually just watched that this year and it's just it's really good fun, but it's not as good as this.

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No, it's not as good as this.

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That's right.

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I think I think for a particular type of fan who wants Doctor Who to take place in a sort of sensible, consistent world, this is not going to be fun because it really makes no attempt to not be the doctor turns up in the story of Robin Hood.

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And it explicitly says that a bunch of times.

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And so there's a very sort of paper thin idea that he's only ever remembered as a legend, but he's a real person, but, you know, he's as real as the doctor, as he says.

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Well, I just love the fact in the beginning, like, you know, Clara wants to meet Robin Hood and Capaldi is so grumpy about it.

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There's no such thing and, you know, and then they come out of the TARDIS.

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He says it's interesting as Robin Hood and there's an arrow and then Robin's winks and, you know.

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Oh, I just love Robin.

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I just love it.

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And the party looks so appalled. and from that moment I'm just so into it.

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It's just, I just have a joy for this episode.

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And, well, you know, Richard's mentioned the whole jewel on the on the log over the water.

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It's great, isn't it?

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Is that originally him and Little John?

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Robert and Little?

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It's Alan H.

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Sr.

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Alan Hale Jr. was the skipper on Gilligan's Island.

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And they look exactly the same.

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It's 1938 once 1965.

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But you cannot tell the difference.

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He was also the original bear.

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As in a calendar bearer, as in, it's a whole queer history of Alan Hayle, Senior, and then junior on, you know, catalogues.

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No, you couldn't hire him on him.

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But anyway, he was he was one of the original pin-ups for that community.

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And it's a beautifully shot thing.

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And yes, that is the scene on the log and he falls in and then the other one comes up from underneath and pushes Alan Howell comes in from underneath him.

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It's almost the same shop, but then to do it with a spoon, it's just so good.

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It's adorably daft. isn't it?

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I actually think the way that they sell it too is when in the opening scene he's in the TARDIS and that spoon just comes into shot and Capoldi licks it because he's been eating ice cream or something and we haven't seen that and then he pockets it.

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I think that's really great.

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And I also think what's great is that that scene gets reenacted with the Sheriff of Nottingham over the Big Vaz of molten gold.

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And I think they look at each other, don't they?

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I think Capaldi kind of nods approvingly at Robin stealing his moves.

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You know what that original scene was, don't you?

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Yeah.

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Cut.

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Yes.

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Pardon the pun.

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So it was a beheading scene. although they didn't use guillotines, they used axes, but it was written, said, I don't know, might just be the note, says Guillotine, but yes, Ben Miller was going to be decapitated.

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But then there was, of course, the Islamic setting of 2 journalists.

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I remember this really well.

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So there was, it was, yeah, so it was a British journalist, I think, who was beheaded by Islamic extremists and the video as sometimes happened, went up.

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And so the week before they announced, So I think Ben Miller's character, the sheriff of Nottingham, was killed by, you know, I think just a sword chopped his head off.

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And I think we're prepared for that by the line because he says he's a new type of man, half engine, half human.

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And that doesn't go anywhere, and the reason that line doesn't go anywhere is the beheading got cut.

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Right.

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Yes.

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Boom.

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Block.

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It doesn't affect the story, I don't think, at all.

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No, I like that there's a bit of mystery to the Ben Miller character.

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How good is Ben Miller?

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He's also Miller from Armstrong and Miller.

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He is Armstrong.

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With Alan Armstrong, who is in Dr. Widow and the Wardrobe, and he was also in Primeval.

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Is he on, uh, would I lie to you or something?

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Is it here?

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He does a lot of those radio things I know from that.

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But he's one of those Oxbridge magnifiosi who just really can do anything and he's polyglot, polymath, all the rest of it.

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Quite annoying enough.

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Was he coming off death in paradise?

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Didn't you do the 1st 2 series of that?

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And then, oh, okay.

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Leave that.

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I thought it was quite soon after that.

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I could be misremembering things, but I do know that he was doing that around this time or just finished it.

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I remember Paul Cornell wrote an episode of Primeval, and I just remember that he had, I think Ben Miller wandering around the base with a machine gun being hunted by dinosaurs and I just remember thinking, that's why we have television so that we can see that kind of thing.

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But I love it.

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I love that he can do anything but he's chosen to do this.

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He's really good in it too.

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And he's a very agreeable with deciding to chew the scenery when you absolutely need to lean in to the world in the world.

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He is really great.

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That scene.

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That scene where it's like 1st Nottingham, then Lincoln.

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Derby.

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Worksop.

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So great.

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So terrific.

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Yeah, he was the 1st DI, wasn't he?

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I thought in in Death in Paradise.

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He's a physicist.

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He's a bloody physicist, but he didn't finish his PhD because he met Alexander Armstrong and they just did what physicists do and fell mightily in love over their sub-equations and, you know, But yeah, look, I'm surprised he does cranky face really well.

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He doesn't overdo it.

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He's not the Alan Cummings of this season, is he?

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No, no.

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It's actually really marvellous, that scene.

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The very 1st scene that introduces him and then introduces Mr. Quail and Mr. Quail's ward, whose identity is revealed at the end of the episode, and he doesn't overplay it there.

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And in fact, it's that, you know, you'll live to regret this. always seemed to me to be a sort of rather crappy threat because, you know, at least you live, I guess.

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But then he goes, you won't live to regret this.

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It just sort of stabs him, which is terrific.

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No, it's very good.

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You mentioned Master Crow's ward, Marion.

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I think it's the one thing in the episode where I would have liked looking back at it now to have beefed her roll up a bit and you actually see her talking to the doctor when she meets the doctor later on and have a bit more there so that the doctor makes it clear who she is and just involve her a little bit more in the story.

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She seems to be sidelined in the in the B plot that, you know, yes, at the end, the doctor's going to give Robin a surprise by revealing Marion standing behind the Tartar or whatever happens to be.

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Yeah.

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But I would have liked having watched it again.

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It's the one thing that seems to, I think, suffering here.

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Marion's role needs to be a bit more substantial, I think.

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Yeah, there's no payoff there because we haven't actually, it hasn't sort of earned like that storyline.

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Yeah, I think they make an attempt, don't they, where she is there upset over the older man who can't work.

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But I have to confess that I found myself wondering whether she was the same person, you know, like, and I think part of the problem is that she's much more well known in the UK than she is here.

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So I think she would have been more readily identifiable to the audience.

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We've already got our Marion. in Clara.

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Doesn't Clara look stunning in her marrying outfit and how excited she is to see Robin and just the one.

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No more in there.

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But yeah, you know, seeing her just involved with that and just her interactions with the doctor in this episode are really quite good.

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Like, I mean, that sounds like a terrible thing to say, but I think last episode, they're just so harsh and not nice.

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Whereas here they seem to be getting along a lot better, even though she gets annoyed, obviously, at the bickering between Robin and the doctor, which I just find hilarious.

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And, you know, she takes control.

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She's with the sheriff, but I just think this is where I find it's really important that a companion and doctor need to have a good dynamic, and this is the 1st time, I think, in the Capaldi era, that I really feel like it's beginning to work.

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Like this is a better, much better balance.

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So they're kind of oppositional in deep breath, in a way that I think is funny.

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Like, I think that that, the scene in the restaurant where she meets him and speaks to him properly for the 1st time, I think, is brilliantly written.

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And then there's the scene where he kind of disappears and looks like he's abandoned her.

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And then last week, I actually liked the dynamic last week because I thought that it was, it was funny, like the dialogue was properly funny, but it was a little bit, like I can understand people not liking it.

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And so this is the 1st time where it is.

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Maybe it is a bit of a relief.

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Oh, I just think the whole thing is delightful in this episode.

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It feels like the whole dynamic is just light and playful.

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And, you know, I was watching that prison scene thinking, it does go on for a bit too long.

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But I don't mind because again, the bickering between the boys and her then leaping in to save the day or break them up.

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It's actually just really fun to watch.

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It's that very Moffat thing about men being stupid.

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I mean, I know this is this is from our gators, but, you know, men are stupid.

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So Clara is there to sort of adjudicate between these 2 stupid man.

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I'd like to ask, how much of this is Gatus and how much is Moffat?

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Because the stings feel very Moffat, especially Capaldi's lines.

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But then we also know Gators and Moffat were working together on Sherlocks.

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They definitely know each other's stings.

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I think that's right.

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I mean, I can't believe that that entire scene, which is so moffity in its concerns.

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I can't believe that Moffat's just written that and he's been giving himself co-writing credits all the way through the season, or it will be, because he's writing the Danny Clara romance.

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So he doesn't give himself a co-writing credit here.

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I think that I think nor should he be.

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No, yeah.

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Yeah, but I think that I think that Datis just knows him very well. that they do work well together.

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Is this Mark Godis's best script for Doctor Who?

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He wrote Crimson Horror, which I think is probably his best script, but I really like this one.

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And I also like the I swear one in season...

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I really like that too.

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Empress of Mars.

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So it's a solid effort from him.

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That scene.

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Come on.

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It's laughing time.

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That's so good.

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And their plans, you know, and Clara's going, oh, does it involve a sonic screwdriver?

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I think he soared himself and all that sort of stuff. just hilarious.

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It's so funny I think I agree with Adrian though, that that scene probably goes on a little bit too long.

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And I think it does make the doctor a bit stupider than I really want him to be.

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It's not where we end up going with the character.

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It's an early episode.

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It's just his trigger and he behaves.

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We can see that the doctor is still an adolescent and maybe a new soul even though he's an old man. and that his temperament.

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I actually see it as a mellowing of the 1st 2 episodes of this character.

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And he's now, you can see him in the school playground.

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It's such a lovely dynamic.

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Everyone says, every critic says, just reading through some of the old reviews in the press at the times, that there seems to be a common threat.

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Gatus doesn't get enough time.

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So his characters require richness and exploration.

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I'm sorry, they are rich and they require exploration.

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We're not served like that again, because Tottenham, one Tottenham, my favourite episodes, of course, is victory of the Daleks.

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Why do you just like riding me up?

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I really love that story.

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Be yourself.

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But again, there are characters in that that definitely needed development.

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The girls in the war room.

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I just wanted a whole episode of At a girl or, you know.

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I think I think, though, that that's okay.

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Like, I kind of like, like, this story is very simple, as you pointed out, and I do think the resolution of the robots where it's just show reflective surfaces at them and they'll fire straight at them because they're stupid.

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Like, that's incredibly simple, incredibly straightforward doesn't require any sort of exposition or technobabble.

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That's great.

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And the fact that maybe you want more of the characters than you get isn't such a bad thing.

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The funny thing is, I think the 1st time I watched this, for some reason, I kept comparing it to Battlefield.

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In my brain, I just, I wanted it to be battlefield, actually.

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But I think a point of difference for me was that with battlefields, there is character exploration and you have these lovely side characters where you go, you know what?

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We don't see you for very long, but Ben Oranovich does make something of them.

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You don't quite get that.

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And that's probably what I was missing the 1st time I watched this, whereas I think this time around, rewatched it and I just appreciated it for what it was.

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Yeah.

247
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Yeah, I think that's actually a good comparison, isn't it?

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Because you've got Merlin and you've got Robin Hood and they're both sort of classic figures from English mythology and so on.

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But it's one of those things that in the classic series, you've got time to explore characters when you've got 45 minutes.

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You don't necessarily get that, so you get Robin, you get the sheriff and everybody else gets a little bit of time, but not as much as perhaps you want.

251
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You're all about the hair, Todd.

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Robin's wig.

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Tom Rogers.

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We need to talk about Tom Riley's hair.

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Tom Riley's hair.

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Tom Riley is fantastic.

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I just love him.

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I love him so much from the beginning to the end.

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He's just a joy.

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And there is a journey there with the doctor.

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You know, they are so adversarial and but there's a big payoff at the end with them talking about, you know, I'm just as real as you are.

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So there is some, there's a little bit of weight there at the end, which I really do appreciate.

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But Tom Riley, I just think is gorgeous.

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He's got such a wonderful chemistry with Clara and eventually once the doctor and he escape and they begin to get on, you know, it really picks up and I just think he sells the merry men and everything like that and come on, the whole archery scene is just totally ridiculous.

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But just wonderful.

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And again, a spin on Michael Cotese's scene with with Errol Flynn and...

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I mean, it's the story of Robin Hood, isn't it?

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It's a trap.

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She knows it's a trap where you know it's a trap.

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They know it's a trap.

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I love the reveal that Capaldi Cheats.

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Like the doctor cheated by using homing arrows.

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That's awesome.

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All I want is.

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And I thought, of course it's your Capaldi.

276
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You can't see Matt Smith at all.

277
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Yeah, there aren't many other doctors.

278
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Well, Tom would have, but you know, he wouldn't have admitted it.

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Do you know how he got this part, Tom Riley?

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Just on 28 episodes of da Vinci's demons as Leonardo da Vinci.

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And I'm just thinking what a fantastic spin to a finally, a little segue.

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I wanted one of Moffat's little moments of, you know, those 5 minute scenes where you go back exactly to the set straight after San Martino.

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Leonardo, I'm here.

284
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I've signed all your pictures and you just have Tom Riley in the da Vinci wig just kicking him out. destroying all the campuses.

285
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Wow.

286
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And he's in Centrinians.

287
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Oh, okay.

288
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So we own him.

289
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He's in the late one with, of course, Carol Anne Ford because she's in everything.

290
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He is very pretty without the wig, I have to say.

291
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I did spend some time browsing pictures on the internet for some research.

292
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Yeah, that's right.

293
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Do you know the last film he did just while we're there?

294
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Todd?

295
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Adrian?

296
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Do you know the last film he did?

297
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It's called Ghostlight.

298
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Oh, okay.

299
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Spooky.

300
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And he plays the Tonga Ingram and the Scottish King.

301
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I have not seen it He plays John Hallam as live.

302
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Correct.

303
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Yeah.

304
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In the voice.

305
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He's doing her voice. doing the accent.

306
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So one of the things that's happening early in this season is there's an investigation of whether the doctor is a hero or not.

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And we do it in quite different ways.

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One of the things I think you notice as you watch the 1st part of this season is all of the episodes address that in some way, but they all do it from sort of vastly different angles.

309
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And whether that's kind of a mess or whether that's interesting, I'm not quite sure.

310
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It's probably both.

311
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But here, I think, you know, the doctor's antipathy towards Robin isn't just that he laughs.

312
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It's that he's a hero and maybe it's that he's a hero that Clara admires at a time where the doctor is questioning whether he's a good person or not.

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And for me, I think the best bit of that thread is the bit where Robin is telling the story of an aristocrat who could no longer tolerate hearing the cries of the poor, and then him saying, so, you know, he stole a TARDIS and left Gallifrey.

314
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And I think that's so so good.

315
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And there's a real attempt, isn't there, here to say that Doctor Who is like Robin Hood, not just because he's a hero, but because of his status as a long-running fictional character.

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I found that so refreshing after David Tennant's God and Matt Smith's fairy tale hero, where I think that kind of meta exploration of, you know, what is the hero and what is Doctor Who to us fans, got a bit twee for my liking.

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Here, it's it's just lovely and it's almost like a little throwaway line in a throwaway scene at the very end of the episode where we're sort of asked to consider, you know, what are the stories that we like to tell ourselves that inspire people in the real world to do good things.

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Yeah.

319
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And then it's done.

320
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Yeah, I think that's really good.

321
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And I think they, you know, they anticipate it with that scene in the ship, where you've got Patrick Troughton as Robin Hood.

322
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And I think he's the 1st person to play Robin Hood on television.

323
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I thought Richard Greer might have been.

324
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Oh, okay.

325
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Richard Green does in the in the late 50s.

326
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Okay, it is very early though, I think.

327
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He is also...

328
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Well, you could be right, actually. to play St.

329
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Paul on television, turns out. without the homophobia.

330
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Yeah, a hero of another kind.

331
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But I love that, but I do love that control room scene is the doctor is still trying to prove that Robin is a fraud and everything is a fraud. not letting go of that.

332
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Yeah.

333
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Until the end of that scene with obviously Robin rescuing Clara or jumping out the window.

334
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But I love that entire scene, you know, linking to the Promised Land, seeing Patrick Troughton's picture.

335
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It's just little nuggets of information that's linking this to Doctor Who mythology this season and all of it.

336
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I got such a massive visitation vibe from that scene.

337
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I can see why Yeah, yeah.

338
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Yeah.

339
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And then to have, you know, the sheriff storm in and blow the door in.

340
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Doesn't he doesn't he storm in with the robots?

341
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Yeah, yeah.

342
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Does he really need to do that if he owns the ship?

343
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Yeah, just open it.

344
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Open the door.

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Use your swipe card.

346
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Just making a dramatic entrance.

347
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And of course, then, you know, yes, it does.

348
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And then and then the doctor gets knocked out and is taken downstairs to Marion to sort out the robots downstairs.

349
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I do, you know.

350
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But this is, again, this thing that we talked about last time in a Crimson horror, where we said that Mark Gatis knows the classic series, so wow, and he knows what works in it.

351
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And we're starting to get these pert we references now now that we have Capaldi.

352
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And so that line that you alluded to earlier on in your introduction, Richard, about a long-shanked rascal with a mighty nose from the time warrior.

353
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I think next week.

354
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Is it next week where we get the doctor waking up and saying the brontosaurus is large placid and stupid, which is like from episode one of robots?

355
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Like Gatus knows this staff.

356
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And so we get a real kind of time warrior vibe from it's it's like Jenna has seen the time warrior and so she knows what's happened to the sheriff of Nottingham and it's like the thing that's happened to the sheriff of Nottingham is the thing that happened to Iron Gron in the Time Warrior, but we don't get to see that where we sort of join the story a bit later on.

357
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I am grown up, my heart missed a beat just then.

358
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I think that's really insightful, Nathan.

359
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Because, like, I do get that vibe from the scene downstairs, like, you know, with the doctor making friends with Marion, and she calls him the clever one, and then he's bantering with all the people.

360
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He's totally against bantering, but I just love that lot.

361
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It's just so the 12th doctor.

362
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It's just so huge.

363
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I would have loved to see like that with pertly.

364
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Yeah, yeah.

365
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In the day, locked up with who...

366
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Well, but Portley was too grand to probably be shackled down.

367
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He ruffled his plumes.

368
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Did anyone else have a moment?

369
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Thanks for reminding me, Todd.

370
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There's definitely Mark and Stephen are saying, what did we most love?

371
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That moment when the TARDIS appears in the forest and then that angle of the doctor opening the door and I had a little moment watching it again and I really was hoping he'd say right on target for once.

372
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Do you remember that?

373
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Because that was a huge thing for me. just that lovely moment as a little boy when the TARDIS appears and pert we pats the door and for some reason that's just one of those iconic moments that is the TARDIS and is the doctor and I really wanted him to do it.

374
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But because again, I thought, oh, yes, yes, so there's all these lovely moments back, I should also add, Nathan, as usual, is correct.

375
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Pat Troughton was the 1st BBC, right?

376
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In 1953, only for 6 episodes, and Richard Green then did, I think, 4 or 5 years from 55 to the end of the 50s.

377
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FTE.

378
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We're here to be your frontal lobe, so you don't. right.

379
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Gosh, how do I know all this?

380
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You just know stop.

381
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But yeah, there were lots of other little moments for folk our age, and I'm hoping they were doing that to sow the seeds for young people watching this now to really look back on that because there's so much joy and fun and it's just very fast, and I forget that audiences now are okay with watching things that quickly, whereas we were brought up to take 4 episodes to get to the same point.

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I think that there's really only one script where Gatus kind of goes off and sort of out of his wheelhouse, and I think that that's sleep no more, but otherwise he's, and it's not tried exactly because I think he does a good job of pacing a 45 minute episode.

383
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And he doesn't feel like he's squeezing 4 episodes into that time.

384
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He kind of knows what he's doing as a TV writer, but he also knows what's memorable because he remembers it. you know because he's one of us, I think.

385
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So, hey, just, I'm just thinking, so with all of those references to Pertry and Trouton, do you think that their doctors would also have retained that kind of antipathy towards Robin Hood that Capaldi leans into so much?

386
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Or is that a quirk of Capaldi?

387
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I mean, I think that it's part of this thread about Capaldi not believing in heroes.

388
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And so he has to kind of conclude that Robin's a robot or that Robin Robin's fake.

389
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And Robin is fake, but he's fake in the same way that the doctor is fake, that the doctor is in some ways a front or an attempt to do the right thing.

390
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And so there's some kind of self-hatred, I think, there, which I don't think you would get with pertui or trout, and their doctors just aren't introspective enough, I think, for that.

391
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But I can see Trout in doubting the situation and doing that entire merry men scene and going through, as you've said, Nathan, and, you know, examining hair and sandals and blood analysis and, oh, you've only got 6 months to that.

392
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But that's hilarious.

393
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That's the brutality that we had last week, but just a little bit lighter, I think.

394
00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:05.759
And that's the key to it, keeping it a bit lighter and a bit more humourous and a bit more mellow actually works.

395
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I think this is the ying to the yang, or the flip side of the coin, I find last week quite dark, and it goes on one side of the line, which I don't like, whereas this way it goes the other way, which I actually like a lot more.

396
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I guess I could see perch. been a bit annoyed with things.

397
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Certainly season seven.

398
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Like, I mean, I see Capaldi's journeys, the doctor very much like John's journeys, the doctor.

399
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Short hair to begin with.

400
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Massive hair, hair of an idiot by the end.

401
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.700
And there's a middle ground, right?

402
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And I think, well, this week, actually, I'm going to say that Capaldi's hair is looking really good because this was in the 3rd Block Bay film.

403
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So it's actually longer than the 1st 2 stories.

404
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So, straight away, bit longer hair, bit mellower.

405
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Yeah, still can be crotchety and all that sort of thing, but it's working for me.

406
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.940
And I see that over the next few episodes.

407
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Like, I mean, obviously I've watched the whole season and I see it in, listen, I see it definitely in time host.

408
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I enjoy the caretaker.

409
00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:05.579
Yeah, the PE thing you will talk about, but there's Capaldi is very funny in that.

410
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And even like, you know, we'll get past Kill the Moon, but the Mummy on the Orient Express flatline and Darrow's saying the Forest of the Night.

411
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He is actually really quite funny through this entire season and there's these, Stephen keeps putting back the, you know, am I a good man in these dark sort of shades at certain points, which we all sort of remember and I remember from their time.

412
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Yes, he might be struggling with being a hero, but I actually think what people see in season 9 is actually here in season 8 and a lot sooner, we just choose to remember the darker things.

413
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It's funny, isn't it?

414
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The normal comparison is with Colin, who starts off unlikeable and ends up cuddly over just 2 years.

415
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But Pertwee is actually maybe a better comparison.

416
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And you also get the late era change of companion that Pertui has.

417
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:58.559
Pertuis is super obnoxious in series seven.

418
00:31:58.619 --> 00:31:59.880
It's interesting.

419
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.259
I think you're onto it.

420
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:07.740
I also, if you compare it to Kong quite a lot because you actually see his performance in the 1st 3 or 4 stories, right?

421
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.920
And then suddenly after the 2 doctors, there's a change in the 2nd half of the season.

422
00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:15.059
And then there's the whole cuddly thing in season 23 for the most part.

423
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.140
So I do see those 3 stages in his doctor as well.

424
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.240
But I think because John goes on longer.

425
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:25.980
We've discussed it way back when. and I mention it.

426
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:35.640
But here I just think that in this episode, I actually see right here is the Capaldi doctor that we see in series 10 is there, right?

427
00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:40.079
But he's just got to come to the realisation himself that he's there.

428
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.299
And that happens.

429
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:46.140
I'm getting hit of myself much later in the season, but it's through there.

430
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.000
And I think it's an important observation.

431
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:51.299
I just really enjoy this, these run of episodes that are coming up.

432
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:59.039
And, you know, seeing Peter work with Jenna so well here, his sparring with Robin and go back to Ben Miller.

433
00:32:59.099 --> 00:32:59.940
Let's...

434
00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:00.539
Yeah, yeah.

435
00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:04.859
The scene with Jenna again and Clarke...

436
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:06.180
Yeah.

437
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:15.779
His banter with the doctor, you know, or be a bit briefer, but the doctor actually, you know, saying that Robin's a legend, getting to that point, another wonderful thing.

438
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.980
There's so much to like in this, you know, from Capaldi and from the guest stars.

439
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.519
Sorry, I've just sort of done a bit of a, that's all right.

440
00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:26.279
Capaldi's your favourite new series doctor, isn't he?

441
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.500
And it was at this point.

442
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:33.180
It was in this episode that I went, he could outdo Matt Smith, right?

443
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:37.380
And that, this was this episode, which, I don't know, says something.

444
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:38.640
That's why enjoy it so much.

445
00:33:50.700 --> 00:34:00.119
They're a whole bunch of sort of tonal shifts, this character, and I think we see this quite a lot in this season where he's just trying to sort of lay the groundwork for his doctor's personality.

446
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:13.920
And on the one hand, you see that sort of archly dismissive, cynical side, which absolutely I can sort of correlate back to Collins, doctor, and a bit of poetry as well.

447
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:17.099
But then there's that also loveably cantankerous side.

448
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:20.519
And I agree with you 100% that that loveably cantankerous side.

449
00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:22.380
We can already see in this episode.

450
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.139
Because I was watching ahead, like, as well.

451
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:25.679
Yeah.

452
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.780
In time heist, it's so there.

453
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:28.559
Yeah, you know?

454
00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:34.260
And in the caretaker, it's so there, I suddenly was seeing things, they hadn't seen for the 1st time through.

455
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:38.340
I've you can probably gather that I've really enjoyed watching this series.

456
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:41.699
I think it's a really good series.

457
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:43.440
I am a big fan.

458
00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:51.360
But I actually like him being obnoxious because it's really funny.

459
00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:53.940
And there is less of it this episode.

460
00:34:54.000 --> 00:35:05.760
The comedy is much more straightforward, but, you know, Moffat's cast, someone, like Moffat's cast, Malcolm Tucker from The Thick of it, who is incredibly funny.

461
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:08.219
He knows that he can do comedy.

462
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:09.840
And Moffatt is a sitcom writer.

463
00:35:09.900 --> 00:35:10.860
He can do comedy.

464
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:16.320
And I think that that's something that he leans into even more than he does with Matt Smith.

465
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:28.980
But, I mean, that whole thing about him not letting go of this idea that Robin is a robot, and absolutely, it can't be trusted because he's a hero is ridiculous, but it's also so wonderfully petty.

466
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.920
Yes, wonderfully petty. great.

467
00:35:31.980 --> 00:35:36.059
So just a question to Adrian. typical of this doctor for you?

468
00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:43.019
I don't know if it's his baseline, but it's something that I feel like he comes sort of back to throughout.

469
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:48.420
Like, it's not a consistent character quirk, but it's something that pops up every now and then.

470
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.280
Is it the base of this doctor?

471
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.039
watching it for the 1st time and again?

472
00:35:53.099 --> 00:35:54.119
That's to you and Todd.

473
00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:57.000
Is that where he's coming from, is you like?

474
00:35:57.059 --> 00:36:07.920
Because I had never thought about the pert we parallel other than looking at all of Capaldi's gorgeous little drawings as a 13-year-old boy that he sent to the production album and everything and it's always the pert we stuff.

475
00:36:07.980 --> 00:36:09.360
So yeah, maybe.

476
00:36:09.420 --> 00:36:10.139
Maybe.

477
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:13.199
Perby doesn't start off charming unless you're a Delphon.

478
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:13.800
Yeah.

479
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:18.059
I just love your expression Adrian.

480
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:18.840
Wonderfully petty.

481
00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:23.099
That is something that he hangs on to at so many times throughout this era.

482
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.039
Who is your new series favourite doctor?

483
00:36:26.099 --> 00:36:27.119
Like, do you have one or?

484
00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:34.079
It's funny because I think at the time I thought Matt Smith, and I think in retrospect, Capaldi.

485
00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:43.019
Matt Smith's my favourite, but I am willing for him to be dethroned and it could because I do think Kapoli is really great.

486
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:56.219
The one thing that hampers Peter Cavodi is the fact that I think that the number of the stories aren't quite as Matt's got some stories that are, I think, on average, probably better.

487
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.679
But I'm thinking about series nine.

488
00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:02.039
So it's going to be interesting to see what I think of that when it comes to the end.

489
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:02.639
Yeah.

490
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:06.420
So maybe it's because Moffatt's fresher with Matt.

491
00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:08.280
I don't know.

492
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:08.820
I don't know.

493
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:09.780
Maybe that's not the case.

494
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:14.519
But I, yeah, I didn't think Matt was going to be dethroned when I came into this era.

495
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:22.800
And then it's a funny thing, though, because I think there are so many great stories in Matt Smith's era, but I think because I've watched them so many times.

496
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:37.679
The overwhelming sort of feeling for me now is they're so kind of ornate and rococo, there's sorts of season-long narratives that I kind of just want to hang with these sort of one-off episodes that's compelled these 1st season and it's refreshing for me.

497
00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:43.679
I think that he reacts against series 6 in series 7.

498
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:51.659
So series 6 has the ornate complex plot arc and series 7 has 2 very light plot arcs.

499
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:57.840
But I think series 7 has some sort of boring episodes in it, and I'm not so sure about the back half of it.

500
00:37:57.900 --> 00:37:59.820
Whereas here, I think he resets.

501
00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:08.699
And I think what's happening is that having Capaldi along gives him the chance to reevaluate. like now what's the doctor going to be like?

502
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:20.880
And it's the sort of thought that you don't really get in the classic series because I think in the classic series, you just rely on the actor to come along and give the sort of performance that you're going to get from that actor and that informs it.

503
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:27.900
And I think maybe Sylvester McCoy has a little bit more thought going into his character at the time.

504
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:37.980
But overwhelmingly, it's just, oh, I met this guy at a wedding reception and he was really funny and now he's going to be the doctor and he's going to dress like me or whatever.

505
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:43.679
Here I think Moffatt gets to reset and go, all right, well, what's the doctor like now?

506
00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:48.960
And I also think, and I've said this before, He doesn't want to embarrass himself in front of Peter Capaldi.

507
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.619
But there's a lot going on in this season.

508
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:58.199
There's the whole Danny Clara comedy romance with the doctor being set up to be her space dad.

509
00:38:58.260 --> 00:38:59.760
You've got the whole missy element.

510
00:38:59.820 --> 00:39:01.980
You've got the whole doctor questioning, is your hero.

511
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.539
There's actually more than I ever realised before.

512
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:17.880
I thought it was just, oh, Missy and the doctor being crabby and a bit of a romance for Clara, but I think there's, although not a focus in this episode per se, you still got links to it.

513
00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:23.340
And I think it, you know, there's a lot more in this series 8, then I realised even.

514
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.000
It's that thing where Moffatt's arcs tend to be about the characters.

515
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.380
And so here the big arc, I think, in series 8 is the Danny Clara romance.

516
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.940
Which is not really evident in this episode because she's going to be a bit more in love with Robert this week.

517
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.400
And it'll ramp up, obviously, next week.

518
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:41.099
Coming back to sort of the conclusion of the episode.

519
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:47.039
I think when the doctor says that he's leaving a present for Robin.

520
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:50.460
It actually shows that he actually does care, right?

521
00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:56.099
And I think one of the biggest complaints is that, you know, well, from last week, she's my carer.

522
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:57.300
She cares so I don't have to.

523
00:39:57.420 --> 00:39:59.340
But he actually, underneath it all does.

524
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:10.980
And you're going to see that a number of times in the episodes coming up that he actually, although he may appear to be harsh, he's doing it for a reason to save her and hopefully others, but unsure that he's going to be able to do it.

525
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:28.320
But here, with Robin, despite all that's happened, here is Marion, she has found you and he's the conduit for that, you know, and it shows a lighter side than perhaps what people or the general public or whoever perceived or even myself at that time.

526
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:43.320
Why does Robin shoot a big arrow up into the air after he hugs up?

527
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:45.239
Am I reading too much into that?

528
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:47.219
Are we on foot again?

529
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:48.599
Not at all.

530
00:40:48.900 --> 00:41:01.380
Haven't they just done it a few scenes ago with that the statue of Nemesis, sorry, the arrow of the arrow into the spaceship and just by hitting the outside of the spaceship is suddenly on the target.

531
00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:02.460
And there's a target?

532
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:03.420
that's awesome.

533
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:09.360
But just by that, then they can reach maximum power or whatever it happens to be.

534
00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:11.340
Explode safely in space or something.

535
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:12.719
He's excited.

536
00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:14.760
It's like when people jump into me.

537
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.019
It is. the guns.

538
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:16.679
He got the arrow.

539
00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:17.039
Yes.

540
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.059
He's very excited.

541
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:22.079
You know, the poor peasant or animal creature that lands on?

542
00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:22.860
Well, you know?

543
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:28.320
People did hate that ending and people did say that it wasn't possible.

544
00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.380
And you just kind of think, come on, like it doesn't matter.

545
00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:33.300
In this context, it doesn't really matter.

546
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:44.159
If you have had an episode where you're talking about Errol Flynn's enormous ego, you're talking about a golden arrow and that archery competition, that the prison wrangling between the two.

547
00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:50.820
Isn't this the only conclusion that you could have for an episode that's full of fallocentric energy?

548
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:57.119
Lego technic castle spaceships at, um, and I was really hoping.

549
00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:58.079
It really is, isn't it?

550
00:41:58.139 --> 00:42:01.380
I was hoping for an Androids of Tara moment, but it's carefully.

551
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:08.219
Carehilly Castle, which is made of cream cheese, I believe. according to the brand name.

552
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.320
We've seen it before, haven't we?

553
00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:10.920
Adrian?

554
00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:12.659
Ker Philly Castle, Todd?

555
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.039
It's been in other episodes anyway.

556
00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:16.380
But more recent series, not the traditional series.

557
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:17.760
It does look very good.

558
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:19.380
Like, I think that that's the other thing.

559
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:20.820
It looks pretty great.

560
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:26.579
And this is an episode directed by Paul Murphy who just does this and the caretaker.

561
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:27.840
He's very good.

562
00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:28.860
I feel.

563
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:41.460
I think it's that thing too, where it's the opposite of Alan Bromley in the Time Warrior, where he can't do any special effects and everything has fixed in the special edition DVT release.

564
00:42:41.820 --> 00:42:44.219
Tennis ball and a bit of tint.

565
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:45.420
That's right.

566
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:51.900
Whereas I think that this works really well and the big shots of inside the castle and the sort of crowds and stuff.

567
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:57.420
You know, they don't look like they would in a feature film, but they look pretty good for TV.

568
00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:58.860
They look amazing.

569
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:10.980
And let's just, because we've done this before, but Alan Bromley's character work and his work with the cast, especially with Iron Grown and his and his little mate, blood.

570
00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:12.119
Very good.

571
00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:13.320
Blood, blood.

572
00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:16.679
I just superb.

573
00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:18.179
Just superb.

574
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.460
So is there parallel here with like Alan of Dale?

575
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.679
Don't they tell him to stop singing or something?

576
00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:23.460
Give it up.

577
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:28.139
Oh, can we mention, again, this is the frustrating thing for me with Gurtis.

578
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:29.880
The guest cast is superb.

579
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:31.739
The casting is brilliant.

580
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.360
There isn't one person I would criticise and we often do, don't we, Todd?

581
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.400
Oh, that was a rush.

582
00:43:38.460 --> 00:43:39.300
That was a rush job.

583
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.940
But no, there's no one here that the merry men are perfect.

584
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.420
I would have been very happy with another episode just seeing the characters fleshed out.

585
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:46.320
Yeah.

586
00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:49.139
They are better than they need to be.

587
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:49.800
I think.

588
00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:51.719
Yeah, given how little I get to do.

589
00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:52.980
They seem to get the brief.

590
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.

591
00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:56.340
No, you're quite right.

592
00:43:56.460 --> 00:44:13.320
Like, I mean, if the merry men and Marion, and even seeing the sheriff become the sheriff, like, a la time warrior, you could have expanded everything to 2 episodes if you wanted to, but that could have ended up like that horrendous dialect story back in that.

593
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:15.420
We really liked. which you really like, but I don't.

594
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:21.000
I seem to recall the time, Todd's saying, you might well have convinced me of it.

595
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:22.559
It makes me a lot more fun than I thought.

596
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:23.760
We had a Todd experience.

597
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:32.519
I've just remembered Carefully Castle is also used for shots in Vampire and Venice, and another one of Todd and my favourites, Nightmare in Silver.

598
00:44:32.579 --> 00:44:34.440
Oh, wow.

599
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.579
That's why we blocked it out.

600
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.139
That's why we blocked it out.

601
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.000
Well, actually, the castle's used okay.

602
00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:39.900
Yeah.

603
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.119
I mean, the castle in this looks really great.

604
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:50.159
And you get long shots of it and the spaceship, you know, coming up out of it. it's all really good I was getting sort of Thunderbirds vibes from the start.

605
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:51.059
Oh stop.

606
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:52.800
No, I was just beating hot.

607
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:54.360
It is, yeah.

608
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:55.920
It's very, very thunder, but.

609
00:44:55.980 --> 00:44:59.699
But actually, we haven't had a rocket come out of a castle before in Doctor Who, have we?

610
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.679
We must have done.

611
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:04.079
We must have thought I cannot remember.

612
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:05.460
Doesn't it blow up?

613
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:06.420
doesn't it blow up?

614
00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:09.300
We see them blow up a lot, but I don't see a spaceship come out of it.

615
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:10.679
Doesn't the space...

616
00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:12.000
Isn't there a rocket coming out?

617
00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:13.739
No, no, no, no, wait, but that's not a castle.

618
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.840
No, no, come on the Time Warrior.

619
00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:21.059
It doesn't, no, it doesn't lynx's spaceship launch from inside.

620
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.139
We just don't see it.

621
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:23.880
Well, we can't afford that.

622
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:25.139
But it does.

623
00:45:25.139 --> 00:45:26.519
Explode the thing.

624
00:45:26.579 --> 00:45:26.820
Yeah.

625
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.159
So there you go. to do a proper version.

626
00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:29.579
Thank you.

627
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.300
Another nod to ride on target. to the time worrying.

628
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:33.840
My goodness.

629
00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:34.980
There's so many of them.

630
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:42.179
Yeah, well, I think because the time warrior is Bob Holmes and because Bob Holmes didn't want to do any historical research at all.

631
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:54.239
So he just decided he would set it in sort of, you know, merry England in the mediaeval period, which is where Robin Hood lives, I guess, in a sort of fictional past.

632
00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:57.780
So he's just hauling that up because he knows it works.

633
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:01.679
Gatus knows what stuff works from his knowledge of the classic series.

634
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:06.059
It's really surprising that it's taken this long to get a Robin Hood story.

635
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.059
I suppose the Tom Mario is a resort.

636
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:10.739
Yeah, yeah, you've got Howley Archer.

637
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:14.820
Oh, yes, Boba Fett before he regenerated.

638
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.380
We've got to Demo era, Morrison.

639
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:17.699
We've got June Brown.

640
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:27.000
You've got June Brown, having a fag, castle battlements. having a sniff at whatever he's making with his wolf weeds over there.

641
00:46:27.059 --> 00:46:33.539
She was up for whatever little potent morsels, but we was brewing up, you could tell.

642
00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:37.800
She know, I'll put that in me roll up and have a drag on that little.

643
00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:40.619
God, I love time where I. What are we doing today?

644
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:41.639
Which story is this?

645
00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:45.420
Well, I love this, Richard, and I'm giving it 8.5 out of 10.

646
00:46:45.659 --> 00:46:49.019
And so for a throwaway episode, that's pretty good for me.

647
00:46:49.139 --> 00:46:54.900
Like, I mean, most sort of fluffy episodes, if they get an 8 solid, but I really just love it.

648
00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:57.179
And sounds like Adrian, you do too.

649
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.039
Yeah, I think I'll give it Nate as well.

650
00:46:59.099 --> 00:47:00.420
I think everything is just lovely.

651
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:03.900
There's nothing that's missing that you resent, that you regret about this episode.

652
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:04.500
It's just fun.

653
00:47:04.739 --> 00:47:08.400
I'm surprised watching it now 3 times.

654
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:17.940
So I usually just watch them once and then, now, again, how much fun it was, how good the throwaway lines are and how old I am because I'm not used to watching at this pace.

655
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.280
I actually have to watch them again to catch the lines.

656
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:30.599
So I can see why this is now a proper family drama again and kids are so attuned to this speed of viewing and their parents would be my age or younger.

657
00:47:30.659 --> 00:47:34.139
They're sort of, you know, catching it up on the 2nd and 3rd viewing.

658
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:40.019
This really improves like a fine wine with subsequent viewing.

659
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:53.460
And Tom Riley is just an absolute joy and really, and in fact, he and Jenna, you can really see whenever there's someone in the cast and the guest cast at that level, Jenna shines, just perfect, both of them.

660
00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:22.139
Well, new listener, that's all we have time for this week.

661
00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:28.199
We'll be back next week to find out how Clara and Danny's first date turns out in listen.

662
00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:46.860
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our accounts on Facebook, Twitter, and Mastodon, as well as links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody Interterra, Maximum Power, and Untitled Star Trek project.

663
00:48:47.099 --> 00:48:52.019
Until next time, it's probably time you considered shaving off that goatee.

664
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.480
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

665
00:48:54.539 --> 00:48:55.679
See you soon.

666
00:48:55.739 --> 00:48:56.639
Take care.

667
00:48:56.699 --> 00:48:57.659
Good then.

668
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:09.179
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Todd B. will be Nathan Bottomley, Adrian Poon, and Richard Stone.

669
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:10.980
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

670
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:17.460
This episode, Fallocentric Energy, was recorded on the 15th of January 2023, and released on the 30th of April.

671
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:34.019
Those of you who are missing father of the podcast, Brendan Jones will, of course, get to catch up with him later in the series, but in the meantime, check him and his friend BJ out as they tackle some independent games in the BJBJ game show.

672
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:35.940
There's a link in the show notes.

673
00:49:39.059 --> 00:49:40.260
I think that's it.

674
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:41.039
Yep.

675
00:49:41.099 --> 00:49:42.300
I think you're taking us out.

676
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.280
Hi, I think we're good.

677
00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:45.000
I think I'm good.

678
00:49:45.059 --> 00:49:47.579
I think we've got enough.

679
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:48.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

680
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:49.079
Yep, we're good.

681
00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:50.579
I have a question, but doesn't it?

682
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:51.539
Yeah, go on, ask me the question.

683
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.280
Adrian, are you at all an Avengers fan?

684
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.199
and you know what I mean when I say Avengers fan?

685
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.599
because you've heard the podcast that Brent, you're needed?

686
00:49:57.659 --> 00:49:58.199
Yeah, yeah.

687
00:49:58.260 --> 00:50:00.659
That's the only one.

688
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:06.480
You know that Stanley stole it. from the TV series because the original Avengers series is 1960.

689
00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:07.139
Right.

690
00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:08.159
So it's that old.

691
00:50:08.219 --> 00:50:10.980
Yeah, Stanley, because he thought, oh, it's never going to be shown in America.

692
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:13.260
And he used that for his comic series.

693
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:21.900
Brendan talks about that very with great skill when whatever episode, but she is the perfect M appeal.

694
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:23.219
And just watching this and her.

695
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:24.719
And it's not just the shape of the face.

696
00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:27.599
And I actually think that she needs 3 mirrors.

697
00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:38.039
We're talking about that next, and that is absolutely one of my favourite life. consulting and accurate.

698
00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:42.360
They both have a heart-shaped face, but I think they're actually from the same part of England.

699
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:45.300
They might even have genetic material.

700
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.179
She is a perfect...

701
00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:49.920
She looks like rig when she were young.

702
00:50:49.980 --> 00:50:52.679
Those little moments, the little looks, the little side eye.

703
00:50:52.739 --> 00:50:55.500
I just would have loved a series of the Avengers.

704
00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:00.239
She would, she's too big now, but just at the time with she and I don't know who I would have cast as steed.

705
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.900
That's probably a lot of...

706
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:13.139
Maybe Julian Wadham, someone we haven't seen before, but necessarily Doctor Who, but just, oh, it would be so much fun set in the 60s.

707
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:17.519
She's she's really got that fun it girl vibe.

708
00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:21.599
Well, I don't know what the 60s version of the girl was, the mod girl, I guess.

709
00:51:21.659 --> 00:51:23.280
God, she's good.

710
00:51:23.340 --> 00:51:24.420
She's not warm.

711
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:27.840
I think there's a lot of people who dislike her for that reason.

712
00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:29.280
But Rick wasn't warm.

713
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:30.119
Yeah.

714
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:32.039
And was Liz Slad and Warm?

715
00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:32.579
Yes, she was.

716
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:33.420
Yeah, she was.

717
00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:34.380
True moments of war.

718
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.059
Well, because she's playing it a bit young.

719
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:40.139
She's doing the Katie trick of playing it slightly like a child, you know?

720
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:41.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

721
00:51:41.219 --> 00:51:44.280
In that 1st season. overplaying.

722
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:47.820
You know, the playing it slightly big, like a cartoon character.

723
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:51.119
She's a bit hyper real, I think. played it younger than she was?

724
00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:52.739
didn't think that at the time.

725
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:53.639
Sometimes.

726
00:51:53.699 --> 00:51:57.000
If you if you watch it, it's what Katie does it backwards.

727
00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:09.780
Yeah, no, no, what I mean, what I mean is that she, she, not that she's playing it like a, like a child, but there's a slightly bigger child kids TV performance.

728
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.119
I know Katie definitely does. 11 as a person.

729
00:52:12.179 --> 00:52:15.480
Well, no, I think generally, I think, that she generally... she right?

730
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:17.099
And also a 70s way of working.

731
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:17.940
Yeah, yeah.

732
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:23.639
So it's time when she drops it where it's really kind of obvious. murder a cup of tea, which is her mind, apparently.

733
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:24.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

734
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:25.199
She threw that in.

735
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.320
Oh, could murder a cup of tea.

736
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.000
Because she's got the same accent as...

737
00:52:30.059 --> 00:52:31.320
Yeah, they're from the same pot.

738
00:52:31.380 --> 00:52:32.280
It's JR.

739
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:33.420
Apparently she threw that in.

740
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:34.860
That wasn't Bob Holmes said.

741
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:35.880
Bob Holmes laughed.

742
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:37.199
During the reading.

743
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:38.039
Yeah, keep it.

744
00:52:38.099 --> 00:52:39.300
Yeah.

745
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:41.280
Well, I think we're done.

746
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:42.000
Do you think we're done?

747
00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:42.420
Yep.

748
00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:42.719
Yep.

749
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:43.019
Okay.