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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast with a hat so big that not even our

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closest friends can recognise us.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Adrian, and I'm a long-shanked rogue with a mighty nose and a

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thingy for Errol Flynn for this one.

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Well, it's a bright and sunny autumn in Nottingham and wafting

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gently on the breeze is the smell of burning peasant, but soon a

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quintessentially British hero will be along to overthrow the

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villain and save the day, or maybe even 2 of them.

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It's robot of Sherwood.

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So, Todd, have you had an experience with this episode?

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I always have an experience with this episode, Nathan.

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I have a good experience with this episode.

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I've always loved this episode.

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Always.

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Right from the day one.

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You weren't angry about the gold arrow.

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A lot of anger about the gold arrow out there, I think.

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Okay, that was the one thing that I probably didn't like, but I

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accept it now, but I really loved this after last week's episode

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into the Dalek, which I find really harsh and quite humourless.

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And here, for the 1st time, actually marry the humour with the

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grumpiness of the Capaldi doctor and his annoyance at humans who

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don't understand his plans, you know, and what he's doing.

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And in deep breath, there's humour, in isolation from the

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grumpiness, but not really together.

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Whereas here it's a marriage.

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And I really just love it from the beginning.

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Actually, I think it's the scene where he where Capaldi is going

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around the merry men and doing his whole analysis.

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That's where I just went, you've nailed it. is where I want this

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to go.

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That's actually stolen from the moon base, isn't it?

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Doesn't Troughton do that?

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He goes around sort of testing people's clothing and chopping bits

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off their very much does.

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He very much does, as does Alan Ladd Sr. in the original 1938

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edition of Robot. of Sherwood, starring Errol Flynn, and Basil

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Rathbone, and Olivia de Haviland, and that corn gold score.

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This is the 1st time, I know we're jumping around, but hey, it's

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the podcast.

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It's really, you know, did everyone come to find Murraygold a

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little bit, oh, you're still here.

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But he really knows his musicology in music history, and there

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isn't a composer who doesn't love corn gold, and he just, he does

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a few little revs.

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Oh, I love you for this, including that scene where the doctor and

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Robin meet each other on the log is absolutely shot for shot

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almost shot for shot, the same scene in 1938's Robin Hood and

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beautifully done.

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And the spoon, a lovely pot to Sylvester McCoy, he's not

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forgotten.

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And Michael Curtiz is beautiful.

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I just remember the director.

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Michael Cortiz is beautiful, beautiful, Errol Flynn discovery.

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He had a very big talent.

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I think that's what he was going to say in this.

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He said ego, I think.

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But yes, he was probably intending to say.

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Syphilitic history.

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Yes, well, yes.

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Tag.

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There's the episode time.

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He went to Scott's.

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Did you know that?

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Errol Flynn.

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But yeah, he did actually.

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Yeah, he did.

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He grew up in Tasmania?

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No, he was fishing down there.

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He was a posh boy who didn't really need to work and then he just

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like ladies.

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Unlike this podcast.

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Come on.

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Do you remember your 1st experience of watching this, Adrian?

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I did not appreciate this episode nearly as much the 1st time

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around.

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I enjoyed it, but I think it was completely shackled by the weight

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of expectations about who is this new doctor, what can this new

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doctor do?

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What is the dynamic between this doctor and that companion?

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Whereas I think this time around, I watched it thinking, it's

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actually just a really fun episode.

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In a Star Trek world, it would be a holiday episode.

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Um, and because it doesn't have um, a huge complexities to the

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storyline.

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It's actually just really fun and good at what it does.

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Yeah, I think that's right.

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Star Trek actually does do a Robin Hood episode, but it's not a

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holiday one.

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It's Q, isn't it?

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It's Cupid where Q makes, I think, makes Picard Robin and Vash

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Mate Marian.

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I actually just watched that this year and it's just it's really

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good fun, but it's not as good as this.

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No, it's not as good as this.

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That's right.

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I think I think for a particular type of fan who wants Doctor Who

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to take place in a sort of sensible, consistent world, this is not

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going to be fun because it really makes no attempt to not be the

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doctor turns up in the story of Robin Hood.

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And it explicitly says that a bunch of times.

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And so there's a very sort of paper thin idea that he's only ever

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remembered as a legend, but he's a real person, but, you know, he's

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as real as the doctor, as he says.

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Well, I just love the fact in the beginning, like, you know, Clara

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wants to meet Robin Hood and Capaldi is so grumpy about it.

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There's no such thing and, you know, and then they come out of the

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TARDIS.

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He says it's interesting as Robin Hood and there's an arrow and

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then Robin's winks and, you know.

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Oh, I just love Robin.

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I just love it.

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And the party looks so appalled. and from that moment I'm just so

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into it.

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It's just, I just have a joy for this episode.

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And, well, you know, Richard's mentioned the whole jewel on the on

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the log over the water.

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It's great, isn't it?

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Is that originally him and Little John?

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Robert and Little?

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It's Alan H.

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Sr.

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Alan Hale Jr. was the skipper on Gilligan's Island.

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And they look exactly the same.

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It's 1938 once 1965.

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But you cannot tell the difference.

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He was also the original bear.

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As in a calendar bearer, as in, it's a whole queer history of Alan

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Hayle, Senior, and then junior on, you know, catalogues.

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No, you couldn't hire him on him.

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But anyway, he was he was one of the original pin-ups for that

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community.

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And it's a beautifully shot thing.

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And yes, that is the scene on the log and he falls in and then the

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other one comes up from underneath and pushes Alan Howell comes in

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from underneath him.

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It's almost the same shop, but then to do it with a spoon, it's

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just so good.

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It's adorably daft. isn't it?

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I actually think the way that they sell it too is when in the

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opening scene he's in the TARDIS and that spoon just comes into

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shot and Capoldi licks it because he's been eating ice cream or

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something and we haven't seen that and then he pockets it.

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I think that's really great.

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And I also think what's great is that that scene gets reenacted

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with the Sheriff of Nottingham over the Big Vaz of molten gold.

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And I think they look at each other, don't they?

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I think Capaldi kind of nods approvingly at Robin stealing his

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moves.

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You know what that original scene was, don't you?

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Yeah.

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Cut.

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Yes.

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Pardon the pun.

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So it was a beheading scene. although they didn't use guillotines

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they used axes, but it was written, said, I don't know, might just

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be the note, says Guillotine, but yes, Ben Miller was going to be

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decapitated.

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But then there was, of course, the Islamic setting of 2

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journalists.

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I remember this really well.

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So there was, it was, yeah, so it was a British journalist, I

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think, who was beheaded by Islamic extremists and the video as

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sometimes happened, went up.

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And so the week before they announced, So I think Ben Miller's

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character, the sheriff of Nottingham, was killed by, you know, I

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think just a sword chopped his head off.

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And I think we're prepared for that by the line because he says

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he's a new type of man, half engine, half human.

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And that doesn't go anywhere, and the reason that line doesn't go

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anywhere is the beheading got cut.

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Right.

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Yes.

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Boom.

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Block.

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It doesn't affect the story, I don't think, at all.

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No, I like that there's a bit of mystery to the Ben Miller

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character.

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How good is Ben Miller?

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He's also Miller from Armstrong and Miller.

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He is Armstrong.

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With Alan Armstrong, who is in Dr. Widow and the Wardrobe, and he

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was also in Primeval.

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Is he on, uh, would I lie to you or something?

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Is it here?

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He does a lot of those radio things I know from that.

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But he's one of those Oxbridge magnifiosi who just really can do

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anything and he's polyglot, polymath, all the rest of it.

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Quite annoying enough.

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Was he coming off death in paradise?

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Didn't you do the 1st 2 series of that?

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And then, oh, okay.

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Leave that.

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I thought it was quite soon after that.

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I could be misremembering things, but I do know that he was doing

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that around this time or just finished it.

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I remember Paul Cornell wrote an episode of Primeval, and I just

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remember that he had, I think Ben Miller wandering around the base

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with a machine gun being hunted by dinosaurs and I just remember

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thinking, that's why we have television so that we can see that

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kind of thing.

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But I love it.

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I love that he can do anything but he's chosen to do this.

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He's really good in it too.

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And he's a very agreeable with deciding to chew the scenery when

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you absolutely need to lean in to the world in the world.

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He is really great.

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That scene.

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That scene where it's like 1st Nottingham, then Lincoln.

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Derby.

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Worksop.

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So great.

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So terrific.

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Yeah, he was the 1st DI, wasn't he?

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I thought in in Death in Paradise.

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He's a physicist.

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He's a bloody physicist, but he didn't finish his PhD because he

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met Alexander Armstrong and they just did what physicists do and

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fell mightily in love over their sub-equations and, you know, But

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yeah, look, I'm surprised he does cranky face really well.

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He doesn't overdo it.

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He's not the Alan Cummings of this season, is he?

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No, no.

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It's actually really marvellous, that scene.

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The very 1st scene that introduces him and then introduces Mr

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Quail and Mr. Quail's ward, whose identity is revealed at the end

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of the episode, and he doesn't overplay it there.

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And in fact, it's that, you know, you'll live to regret this

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always seemed to me to be a sort of rather crappy threat because

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you know, at least you live, I guess.

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But then he goes, you won't live to regret this.

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It just sort of stabs him, which is terrific.

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No, it's very good.

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You mentioned Master Crow's ward, Marion.

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I think it's the one thing in the episode where I would have liked

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looking back at it now to have beefed her roll up a bit and you

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actually see her talking to the doctor when she meets the doctor

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later on and have a bit more there so that the doctor makes it

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clear who she is and just involve her a little bit more in the

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story.

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She seems to be sidelined in the in the B plot that, you know, yes

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at the end, the doctor's going to give Robin a surprise by

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revealing Marion standing behind the Tartar or whatever happens to

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be.

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Yeah.

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But I would have liked having watched it again.

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It's the one thing that seems to, I think, suffering here.

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Marion's role needs to be a bit more substantial, I think.

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Yeah, there's no payoff there because we haven't actually, it

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hasn't sort of earned like that storyline.

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Yeah, I think they make an attempt, don't they, where she is there

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upset over the older man who can't work.

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But I have to confess that I found myself wondering whether she

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was the same person, you know, like, and I think part of the

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problem is that she's much more well known in the UK than she is

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here.

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So I think she would have been more readily identifiable to the

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audience.

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We've already got our Marion. in Clara.

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Doesn't Clara look stunning in her marrying outfit and how excited

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she is to see Robin and just the one.

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No more in there.

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But yeah, you know, seeing her just involved with that and just

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her interactions with the doctor in this episode are really quite

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good.

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Like, I mean, that sounds like a terrible thing to say, but I

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think last episode, they're just so harsh and not nice.

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Whereas here they seem to be getting along a lot better, even

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though she gets annoyed, obviously, at the bickering between Robin

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and the doctor, which I just find hilarious.

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And, you know, she takes control.

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She's with the sheriff, but I just think this is where I find it's

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really important that a companion and doctor need to have a good

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dynamic, and this is the 1st time, I think, in the Capaldi era

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that I really feel like it's beginning to work.

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Like this is a better, much better balance.

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So they're kind of oppositional in deep breath, in a way that I

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think is funny.

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Like, I think that that, the scene in the restaurant where she

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meets him and speaks to him properly for the 1st time, I think, is

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brilliantly written.

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And then there's the scene where he kind of disappears and looks

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like he's abandoned her.

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And then last week, I actually liked the dynamic last week because

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I thought that it was, it was funny, like the dialogue was

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properly funny, but it was a little bit, like I can understand

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people not liking it.

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And so this is the 1st time where it is.

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Maybe it is a bit of a relief.

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Oh, I just think the whole thing is delightful in this episode.

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It feels like the whole dynamic is just light and playful.

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And, you know, I was watching that prison scene thinking, it does

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go on for a bit too long.

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But I don't mind because again, the bickering between the boys and

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her then leaping in to save the day or break them up.

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It's actually just really fun to watch.

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It's that very Moffat thing about men being stupid.

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I mean, I know this is this is from our gators, but, you know, men

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are stupid.

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So Clara is there to sort of adjudicate between these 2 stupid

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man.

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I'd like to ask, how much of this is Gatus and how much is

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Moffat?

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Because the stings feel very Moffat, especially Capaldi's lines.

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But then we also know Gators and Moffat were working together on

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Sherlocks.

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They definitely know each other's stings.

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I think that's right.

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I mean, I can't believe that that entire scene, which is so

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moffity in its concerns.

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I can't believe that Moffat's just written that and he's been

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giving himself co-writing credits all the way through the season

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or it will be, because he's writing the Danny Clara romance.

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So he doesn't give himself a co-writing credit here.

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I think that I think nor should he be.

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No, yeah.

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Yeah, but I think that I think that Datis just knows him very well

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that they do work well together.

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Is this Mark Godis's best script for Doctor Who?

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He wrote Crimson Horror, which I think is probably his best script

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but I really like this one.

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And I also like the I swear one in season...

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I really like that too.

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Empress of Mars.

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So it's a solid effort from him.

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That scene.

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Come on.

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It's laughing time.

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That's so good.

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And their plans, you know, and Clara's going, oh, does it involve

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a sonic screwdriver?

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I think he soared himself and all that sort of stuff. just

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hilarious.

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It's so funny I think I agree with Adrian though, that that scene

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probably goes on a little bit too long.

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And I think it does make the doctor a bit stupider than I really

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want him to be.

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It's not where we end up going with the character.

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It's an early episode.

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It's just his trigger and he behaves.

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We can see that the doctor is still an adolescent and maybe a new

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soul even though he's an old man. and that his temperament.

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I actually see it as a mellowing of the 1st 2 episodes of this

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character.

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And he's now, you can see him in the school playground.

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It's such a lovely dynamic.

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Everyone says, every critic says, just reading through some of the

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old reviews in the press at the times, that there seems to be a

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common threat.

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Gatus doesn't get enough time.

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So his characters require richness and exploration.

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I'm sorry, they are rich and they require exploration.

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We're not served like that again, because Tottenham, one Tottenham

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my favourite episodes, of course, is victory of the Daleks.

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Why do you just like riding me up?

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I really love that story.

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Be yourself.

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But again, there are characters in that that definitely needed

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development.

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The girls in the war room.

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I just wanted a whole episode of At a girl or, you know.

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I think I think, though, that that's okay.

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Like, I kind of like, like, this story is very simple, as you

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pointed out, and I do think the resolution of the robots where

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it's just show reflective surfaces at them and they'll fire

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straight at them because they're stupid.

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Like, that's incredibly simple, incredibly straightforward doesn't

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require any sort of exposition or technobabble.

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That's great.

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And the fact that maybe you want more of the characters than you

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get isn't such a bad thing.

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The funny thing is, I think the 1st time I watched this, for some

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reason, I kept comparing it to Battlefield.

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In my brain, I just, I wanted it to be battlefield, actually.

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But I think a point of difference for me was that with

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battlefields, there is character exploration and you have these

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lovely side characters where you go, you know what?

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We don't see you for very long, but Ben Oranovich does make

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something of them.

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You don't quite get that.

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And that's probably what I was missing the 1st time I watched this

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whereas I think this time around, rewatched it and I just

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appreciated it for what it was.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think that's actually a good comparison, isn't it?

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Because you've got Merlin and you've got Robin Hood and they're

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both sort of classic figures from English mythology and so on.

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But it's one of those things that in the classic series, you've

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got time to explore characters when you've got 45 minutes.

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You don't necessarily get that, so you get Robin, you get the

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sheriff and everybody else gets a little bit of time, but not as

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much as perhaps you want.

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You're all about the hair, Todd.

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Robin's wig.

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Tom Rogers.

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We need to talk about Tom Riley's hair.

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Tom Riley's hair.

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Tom Riley is fantastic.

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I just love him.

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I love him so much from the beginning to the end.

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He's just a joy.

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And there is a journey there with the doctor.

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You know, they are so adversarial and but there's a big payoff at

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the end with them talking about, you know, I'm just as real as you

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are.

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So there is some, there's a little bit of weight there at the end

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which I really do appreciate.

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But Tom Riley, I just think is gorgeous.

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He's got such a wonderful chemistry with Clara and eventually once

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the doctor and he escape and they begin to get on, you know, it

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really picks up and I just think he sells the merry men and

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everything like that and come on, the whole archery scene is just

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totally ridiculous.

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But just wonderful.

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And again, a spin on Michael Cotese's scene with with Errol Flynn

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and...

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I mean, it's the story of Robin Hood, isn't it?

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It's a trap.

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She knows it's a trap where you know it's a trap.

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They know it's a trap.

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I love the reveal that Capaldi Cheats.

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Like the doctor cheated by using homing arrows.

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That's awesome.

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All I want is.

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And I thought, of course it's your Capaldi.

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You can't see Matt Smith at all.

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Yeah, there aren't many other doctors.

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Well, Tom would have, but you know, he wouldn't have admitted it.

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Do you know how he got this part, Tom Riley?

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Just on 28 episodes of da Vinci's demons as Leonardo da Vinci.

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And I'm just thinking what a fantastic spin to a finally, a little

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segue.

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I wanted one of Moffat's little moments of, you know, those 5

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minute scenes where you go back exactly to the set straight after

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San Martino.

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Leonardo, I'm here.

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I've signed all your pictures and you just have Tom Riley in the

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da Vinci wig just kicking him out. destroying all the campuses.

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Wow.

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And he's in Centrinians.

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Oh, okay.

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So we own him.

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He's in the late one with, of course, Carol Anne Ford because

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she's in everything.

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He is very pretty without the wig, I have to say.

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I did spend some time browsing pictures on the internet for some

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research.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Do you know the last film he did just while we're there?

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Todd?

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Adrian?

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Do you know the last film he did?

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It's called Ghostlight.

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Oh, okay.

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Spooky.

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And he plays the Tonga Ingram and the Scottish King.

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I have not seen it He plays John Hallam as live.

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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In the voice.

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He's doing her voice. doing the accent.

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So one of the things that's happening early in this season is

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there's an investigation of whether the doctor is a hero or not.

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And we do it in quite different ways.

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One of the things I think you notice as you watch the 1st part of

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this season is all of the episodes address that in some way, but

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they all do it from sort of vastly different angles.

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And whether that's kind of a mess or whether that's interesting

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I'm not quite sure.

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It's probably both.

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But here, I think, you know, the doctor's antipathy towards Robin

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isn't just that he laughs.

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It's that he's a hero and maybe it's that he's a hero that Clara

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admires at a time where the doctor is questioning whether he's a

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good person or not.

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And for me, I think the best bit of that thread is the bit where

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Robin is telling the story of an aristocrat who could no longer

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tolerate hearing the cries of the poor, and then him saying, so

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you know, he stole a TARDIS and left Gallifrey.

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And I think that's so so good.

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And there's a real attempt, isn't there, here to say that Doctor

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Who is like Robin Hood, not just because he's a hero, but because

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of his status as a long-running fictional character.

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I found that so refreshing after David Tennant's God and Matt

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Smith's fairy tale hero, where I think that kind of meta

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exploration of, you know, what is the hero and what is Doctor Who

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to us fans, got a bit twee for my liking.

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Here, it's it's just lovely and it's almost like a little

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throwaway line in a throwaway scene at the very end of the episode

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where we're sort of asked to consider, you know, what are the

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stories that we like to tell ourselves that inspire people in the

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real world to do good things.

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Yeah.

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And then it's done.

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Yeah, I think that's really good.

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And I think they, you know, they anticipate it with that scene in

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the ship, where you've got Patrick Troughton as Robin Hood.

501
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.039
And I think he's the 1st person to play Robin Hood on television.

502
00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:52.680
I thought Richard Greer might have been.

503
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:53.579
Oh, okay.

504
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.160
Richard Green does in the in the late 50s.

505
00:23:56.339 --> 00:23:58.319
Okay, it is very early though, I think.

506
00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:00.180
He is also...

507
00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:01.740
Well, you could be right, actually. to play St.

508
00:24:01.740 --> 00:24:05.160
Paul on television, turns out. without the homophobia.

509
00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:06.839
Yeah, a hero of another kind.

510
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.259
But I love that, but I do love that control room scene is the

511
00:24:10.259 --> 00:24:12.359
doctor is still trying to prove that Robin is a fraud and

512
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.579
everything is a fraud. not letting go of that.

513
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:15.240
Yeah.

514
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:20.039
Until the end of that scene with obviously Robin rescuing Clara or

515
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:21.539
jumping out the window.

516
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.779
But I love that entire scene, you know, linking to the Promised

517
00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:27.900
Land, seeing Patrick Troughton's picture.

518
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:32.099
It's just little nuggets of information that's linking this to

519
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:35.160
Doctor Who mythology this season and all of it.

520
00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:39.119
I got such a massive visitation vibe from that scene.

521
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.900
I can see why Yeah, yeah.

522
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:43.859
Yeah.

523
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.339
And then to have, you know, the sheriff storm in and blow the door

524
00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:47.579
in.

525
00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:49.319
Doesn't he doesn't he storm in with the robots?

526
00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:49.980
Yeah, yeah.

527
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:51.660
Does he really need to do that if he owns the ship?

528
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:52.559
Yeah, just open it.

529
00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:53.339
Open the door.

530
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:55.619
Use your swipe card.

531
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.099
Just making a dramatic entrance.

532
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.240
And of course, then, you know, yes, it does.

533
00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:05.880
And then and then the doctor gets knocked out and is taken

534
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:09.720
downstairs to Marion to sort out the robots downstairs.

535
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.460
I do, you know.

536
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.119
But this is, again, this thing that we talked about last time in a

537
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.900
Crimson horror, where we said that Mark Gatis knows the classic

538
00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:21.779
series, so wow, and he knows what works in it.

539
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:26.640
And we're starting to get these pert we references now now that we

540
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:27.539
have Capaldi.

541
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.000
And so that line that you alluded to earlier on in your

542
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.960
introduction, Richard, about a long-shanked rascal with a mighty

543
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.299
nose from the time warrior.

544
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.039
I think next week.

545
00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:41.880
Is it next week where we get the doctor waking up and saying the

546
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.599
brontosaurus is large placid and stupid, which is like from

547
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.640
episode one of robots?

548
00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:51.599
Like Gatus knows this staff.

549
00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:58.140
And so we get a real kind of time warrior vibe from it's it's like

550
00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:03.420
Jenna has seen the time warrior and so she knows what's happened

551
00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:07.440
to the sheriff of Nottingham and it's like the thing that's

552
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:09.480
happened to the sheriff of Nottingham is the thing that happened

553
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:13.019
to Iron Gron in the Time Warrior, but we don't get to see that

554
00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:15.660
where we sort of join the story a bit later on.

555
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.000
I am grown up, my heart missed a beat just then.

556
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.480
I think that's really insightful, Nathan.

557
00:26:21.539 --> 00:26:24.839
Because, like, I do get that vibe from the scene downstairs, like

558
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.440
you know, with the doctor making friends with Marion, and she

559
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.599
calls him the clever one, and then he's bantering with all the

560
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:30.779
people.

561
00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:34.559
He's totally against bantering, but I just love that lot.

562
00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:37.019
It's just so the 12th doctor.

563
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:38.099
It's just so huge.

564
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:40.259
I would have loved to see like that with pertly.

565
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:41.160
Yeah, yeah.

566
00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:43.380
In the day, locked up with who...

567
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.200
Well, but Portley was too grand to probably be shackled down.

568
00:26:46.259 --> 00:26:48.000
He ruffled his plumes.

569
00:26:48.059 --> 00:26:49.680
Did anyone else have a moment?

570
00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:51.180
Thanks for reminding me, Todd.

571
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.440
There's definitely Mark and Stephen are saying, what did we most

572
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:55.859
love?

573
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.880
That moment when the TARDIS appears in the forest and then that

574
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:02.759
angle of the doctor opening the door and I had a little moment

575
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:05.819
watching it again and I really was hoping he'd say right on target

576
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:06.420
for once.

577
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.579
Do you remember that?

578
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:12.180
Because that was a huge thing for me. just that lovely moment as a

579
00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:15.059
little boy when the TARDIS appears and pert we pats the door and

580
00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:18.240
for some reason that's just one of those iconic moments that is

581
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.880
the TARDIS and is the doctor and I really wanted him to do it.

582
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.900
But because again, I thought, oh, yes, yes, so there's all these

583
00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:28.319
lovely moments back, I should also add, Nathan, as usual, is

584
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:28.680
correct.

585
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:33.299
Pat Troughton was the 1st BBC, right?

586
00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:37.559
In 1953, only for 6 episodes, and Richard Green then did, I think

587
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.680
4 or 5 years from 55 to the end of the 50s.

588
00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:42.000
FTE.

589
00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:46.500
We're here to be your frontal lobe, so you don't. right.

590
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.660
Gosh, how do I know all this?

591
00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:50.039
You just know stop.

592
00:27:50.099 --> 00:27:54.779
But yeah, there were lots of other little moments for folk our age

593
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:57.779
and I'm hoping they were doing that to sow the seeds for young

594
00:27:57.779 --> 00:28:01.980
people watching this now to really look back on that because

595
00:28:01.980 --> 00:28:06.720
there's so much joy and fun and it's just very fast, and I forget

596
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:10.619
that audiences now are okay with watching things that quickly

597
00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:14.759
whereas we were brought up to take 4 episodes to get to the same

598
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:15.119
point.

599
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:19.859
I think that there's really only one script where Gatus kind of

600
00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:23.460
goes off and sort of out of his wheelhouse, and I think that

601
00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:28.019
that's sleep no more, but otherwise he's, and it's not tried

602
00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:31.500
exactly because I think he does a good job of pacing a 45 minute

603
00:28:31.500 --> 00:28:32.400
episode.

604
00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:36.839
And he doesn't feel like he's squeezing 4 episodes into that

605
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:37.140
time.

606
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.440
He kind of knows what he's doing as a TV writer, but he also knows

607
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.180
what's memorable because he remembers it. you know because he's

608
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:46.079
one of us, I think.

609
00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:49.859
So, hey, just, I'm just thinking, so with all of those references

610
00:28:49.859 --> 00:28:54.059
to Pertry and Trouton, do you think that their doctors would also

611
00:28:54.059 --> 00:28:58.200
have retained that kind of antipathy towards Robin Hood that

612
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.960
Capaldi leans into so much?

613
00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:03.599
Or is that a quirk of Capaldi?

614
00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:09.119
I mean, I think that it's part of this thread about Capaldi not

615
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:10.380
believing in heroes.

616
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.180
And so he has to kind of conclude that Robin's a robot or that

617
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:16.799
Robin Robin's fake.

618
00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:20.220
And Robin is fake, but he's fake in the same way that the doctor

619
00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:25.619
is fake, that the doctor is in some ways a front or an attempt to

620
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:26.700
do the right thing.

621
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:31.319
And so there's some kind of self-hatred, I think, there, which I

622
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:35.460
don't think you would get with pertui or trout, and their doctors

623
00:29:35.460 --> 00:29:37.559
just aren't introspective enough, I think, for that.

624
00:29:37.619 --> 00:29:42.240
But I can see Trout in doubting the situation and doing that

625
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:46.799
entire merry men scene and going through, as you've said, Nathan

626
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.680
and, you know, examining hair and sandals and blood analysis and

627
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:51.359
oh, you've only got 6 months to that.

628
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.160
But that's hilarious.

629
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:58.740
That's the brutality that we had last week, but just a little bit

630
00:29:58.740 --> 00:29:59.640
lighter, I think.

631
00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:03.180
And that's the key to it, keeping it a bit lighter and a bit more

632
00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:05.759
humourous and a bit more mellow actually works.

633
00:30:05.819 --> 00:30:09.599
I think this is the ying to the yang, or the flip side of the coin

634
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.599
I find last week quite dark, and it goes on one side of the line

635
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:14.640
which I don't like, whereas this way it goes the other way, which

636
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:15.720
I actually like a lot more.

637
00:30:15.779 --> 00:30:18.900
I guess I could see perch. been a bit annoyed with things.

638
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.220
Certainly season seven.

639
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.579
Like, I mean, I see Capaldi's journeys, the doctor very much like

640
00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:25.259
John's journeys, the doctor.

641
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:26.819
Short hair to begin with.

642
00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:30.359
Massive hair, hair of an idiot by the end.

643
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.700
And there's a middle ground, right?

644
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.579
And I think, well, this week, actually, I'm going to say that

645
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:38.519
Capaldi's hair is looking really good because this was in the 3rd

646
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:39.839
Block Bay film.

647
00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:41.940
So it's actually longer than the 1st 2 stories.

648
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:47.160
So, straight away, bit longer hair, bit mellower.

649
00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:51.059
Yeah, still can be crotchety and all that sort of thing, but it's

650
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:51.779
working for me.

651
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.940
And I see that over the next few episodes.

652
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.220
Like, I mean, obviously I've watched the whole season and I see it

653
00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:58.559
in, listen, I see it definitely in time host.

654
00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:00.359
I enjoy the caretaker.

655
00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:04.559
Yeah, the PE thing you will talk about, but there's Capaldi is

656
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:05.579
very funny in that.

657
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:09.059
And even like, you know, we'll get past Kill the Moon, but the

658
00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:12.900
Mummy on the Orient Express flatline and Darrow's saying the

659
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:13.980
Forest of the Night.

660
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.460
He is actually really quite funny through this entire season and

661
00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:20.460
there's these, Stephen keeps putting back the, you know, am I a

662
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:23.460
good man in these dark sort of shades at certain points, which we

663
00:31:23.460 --> 00:31:26.160
all sort of remember and I remember from their time.

664
00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:28.799
Yes, he might be struggling with being a hero, but I actually

665
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:32.279
think what people see in season 9 is actually here in season 8 and

666
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.660
a lot sooner, we just choose to remember the darker things.

667
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.579
It's funny, isn't it?

668
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:43.200
The normal comparison is with Colin, who starts off unlikeable and

669
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.480
ends up cuddly over just 2 years.

670
00:31:45.539 --> 00:31:50.579
But Pertwee is actually maybe a better comparison.

671
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.420
And you also get the late era change of companion that Pertui

672
00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:54.779
has.

673
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:58.559
Pertuis is super obnoxious in series seven.

674
00:31:58.619 --> 00:31:59.880
It's interesting.

675
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.259
I think you're onto it.

676
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:03.539
I also, if you compare it to Kong quite a lot because you actually

677
00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:07.740
see his performance in the 1st 3 or 4 stories, right?

678
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.200
And then suddenly after the 2 doctors, there's a change in the 2nd

679
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:10.920
half of the season.

680
00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:14.759
And then there's the whole cuddly thing in season 23 for the most

681
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:15.059
part.

682
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.140
So I do see those 3 stages in his doctor as well.

683
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.240
But I think because John goes on longer.

684
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:25.980
We've discussed it way back when. and I mention it.

685
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:30.000
But here I just think that in this episode, I actually see right

686
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.859
here is the Capaldi doctor that we see in series 10 is there

687
00:32:34.859 --> 00:32:35.640
right?

688
00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:39.779
But he's just got to come to the realisation himself that he's

689
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:40.079
there.

690
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.299
And that happens.

691
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.480
I'm getting hit of myself much later in the season, but it's

692
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.140
through there.

693
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.000
And I think it's an important observation.

694
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:51.059
I just really enjoy this, these run of episodes that are coming

695
00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:51.299
up.

696
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:56.220
And, you know, seeing Peter work with Jenna so well here, his

697
00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:59.039
sparring with Robin and go back to Ben Miller.

698
00:32:59.099 --> 00:32:59.940
Let's...

699
00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:00.539
Yeah, yeah.

700
00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:04.859
The scene with Jenna again and Clarke...

701
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:06.180
Yeah.

702
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.799
His banter with the doctor, you know, or be a bit briefer, but the

703
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.859
doctor actually, you know, saying that Robin's a legend, getting

704
00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:15.779
to that point, another wonderful thing.

705
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.019
There's so much to like in this, you know, from Capaldi and from

706
00:33:19.019 --> 00:33:19.980
the guest stars.

707
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.519
Sorry, I've just sort of done a bit of a, that's all right.

708
00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:26.279
Capaldi's your favourite new series doctor, isn't he?

709
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.500
And it was at this point.

710
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.700
It was in this episode that I went, he could outdo Matt Smith

711
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:33.180
right?

712
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.960
And that, this was this episode, which, I don't know, says

713
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:37.380
something.

714
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:38.640
That's why enjoy it so much.

715
00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:54.059
They're a whole bunch of sort of tonal shifts, this character, and

716
00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:56.940
I think we see this quite a lot in this season where he's just

717
00:33:56.940 --> 00:33:59.519
trying to sort of lay the groundwork for his doctor's

718
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:00.119
personality.

719
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:05.460
And on the one hand, you see that sort of archly dismissive

720
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:10.019
cynical side, which absolutely I can sort of correlate back to

721
00:34:10.019 --> 00:34:13.920
Collins, doctor, and a bit of poetry as well.

722
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:17.099
But then there's that also loveably cantankerous side.

723
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:20.519
And I agree with you 100% that that loveably cantankerous side.

724
00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:22.380
We can already see in this episode.

725
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.139
Because I was watching ahead, like, as well.

726
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:25.679
Yeah.

727
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.780
In time heist, it's so there.

728
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:28.559
Yeah, you know?

729
00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:31.320
And in the caretaker, it's so there, I suddenly was seeing things

730
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.260
they hadn't seen for the 1st time through.

731
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.860
I've you can probably gather that I've really enjoyed watching

732
00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:38.340
this series.

733
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:41.699
I think it's a really good series.

734
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:43.440
I am a big fan.

735
00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:50.699
But I actually like him being obnoxious because it's really

736
00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:51.360
funny.

737
00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:53.940
And there is less of it this episode.

738
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.079
The comedy is much more straightforward, but, you know, Moffat's

739
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:03.059
cast, someone, like Moffat's cast, Malcolm Tucker from The Thick

740
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:05.760
of it, who is incredibly funny.

741
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:08.219
He knows that he can do comedy.

742
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:09.840
And Moffatt is a sitcom writer.

743
00:35:09.900 --> 00:35:10.860
He can do comedy.

744
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.460
And I think that that's something that he leans into even more

745
00:35:14.460 --> 00:35:16.320
than he does with Matt Smith.

746
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:20.340
But, I mean, that whole thing about him not letting go of this

747
00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:25.079
idea that Robin is a robot, and absolutely, it can't be trusted

748
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:28.440
because he's a hero is ridiculous, but it's also so wonderfully

749
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:28.980
petty.

750
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.920
Yes, wonderfully petty. great.

751
00:35:31.980 --> 00:35:36.059
So just a question to Adrian. typical of this doctor for you?

752
00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:39.960
I don't know if it's his baseline, but it's something that I feel

753
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.019
like he comes sort of back to throughout.

754
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:47.099
Like, it's not a consistent character quirk, but it's something

755
00:35:47.099 --> 00:35:48.420
that pops up every now and then.

756
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.280
Is it the base of this doctor?

757
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.039
watching it for the 1st time and again?

758
00:35:53.099 --> 00:35:54.119
That's to you and Todd.

759
00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:57.000
Is that where he's coming from, is you like?

760
00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:59.940
Because I had never thought about the pert we parallel other than

761
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:04.019
looking at all of Capaldi's gorgeous little drawings as a 13-year

762
00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:06.119
old boy that he sent to the production album and everything and

763
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:07.920
it's always the pert we stuff.

764
00:36:07.980 --> 00:36:09.360
So yeah, maybe.

765
00:36:09.420 --> 00:36:10.139
Maybe.

766
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:13.199
Perby doesn't start off charming unless you're a Delphon.

767
00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:13.800
Yeah.

768
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:18.059
I just love your expression Adrian.

769
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:18.840
Wonderfully petty.

770
00:36:18.900 --> 00:36:22.500
That is something that he hangs on to at so many times throughout

771
00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:23.099
this era.

772
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.039
Who is your new series favourite doctor?

773
00:36:26.099 --> 00:36:27.119
Like, do you have one or?

774
00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:31.500
It's funny because I think at the time I thought Matt Smith, and I

775
00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:34.079
think in retrospect, Capaldi.

776
00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:38.519
Matt Smith's my favourite, but I am willing for him to be

777
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:43.019
dethroned and it could because I do think Kapoli is really great.

778
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:47.159
The one thing that hampers Peter Cavodi is the fact that I think

779
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:52.139
that the number of the stories aren't quite as Matt's got some

780
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:56.219
stories that are, I think, on average, probably better.

781
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.679
But I'm thinking about series nine.

782
00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:01.320
So it's going to be interesting to see what I think of that when

783
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:02.039
it comes to the end.

784
00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:02.639
Yeah.

785
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:06.420
So maybe it's because Moffatt's fresher with Matt.

786
00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:08.280
I don't know.

787
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:08.820
I don't know.

788
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:09.780
Maybe that's not the case.

789
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.559
But I, yeah, I didn't think Matt was going to be dethroned when I

790
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:14.519
came into this era.

791
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.820
And then it's a funny thing, though, because I think there are so

792
00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:21.659
many great stories in Matt Smith's era, but I think because I've

793
00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:22.800
watched them so many times.

794
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:26.340
The overwhelming sort of feeling for me now is they're so kind of

795
00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:31.619
ornate and rococo, there's sorts of season-long narratives that I

796
00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:34.500
kind of just want to hang with these sort of one-off episodes

797
00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:37.679
that's compelled these 1st season and it's refreshing for me.

798
00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:43.679
I think that he reacts against series 6 in series 7.

799
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:49.679
So series 6 has the ornate complex plot arc and series 7 has 2

800
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.659
very light plot arcs.

801
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.679
But I think series 7 has some sort of boring episodes in it, and

802
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.840
I'm not so sure about the back half of it.

803
00:37:57.900 --> 00:37:59.820
Whereas here, I think he resets.

804
00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:03.960
And I think what's happening is that having Capaldi along gives

805
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:07.500
him the chance to reevaluate. like now what's the doctor going to

806
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:08.699
be like?

807
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.639
And it's the sort of thought that you don't really get in the

808
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:14.880
classic series because I think in the classic series, you just

809
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.460
rely on the actor to come along and give the sort of performance

810
00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:20.880
that you're going to get from that actor and that informs it.

811
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:24.840
And I think maybe Sylvester McCoy has a little bit more thought

812
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.900
going into his character at the time.

813
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:32.159
But overwhelmingly, it's just, oh, I met this guy at a wedding

814
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.099
reception and he was really funny and now he's going to be the

815
00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:37.980
doctor and he's going to dress like me or whatever.

816
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.719
Here I think Moffatt gets to reset and go, all right, well, what's

817
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:43.679
the doctor like now?

818
00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:46.619
And I also think, and I've said this before, He doesn't want to

819
00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:48.960
embarrass himself in front of Peter Capaldi.

820
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.619
But there's a lot going on in this season.

821
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:56.579
There's the whole Danny Clara comedy romance with the doctor being

822
00:38:56.579 --> 00:38:58.199
set up to be her space dad.

823
00:38:58.260 --> 00:38:59.760
You've got the whole missy element.

824
00:38:59.820 --> 00:39:01.980
You've got the whole doctor questioning, is your hero.

825
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.539
There's actually more than I ever realised before.

826
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.380
I thought it was just, oh, Missy and the doctor being crabby and a

827
00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:14.400
bit of a romance for Clara, but I think there's, although not a

828
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.880
focus in this episode per se, you still got links to it.

829
00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:21.840
And I think it, you know, there's a lot more in this series 8, then

830
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:23.340
I realised even.

831
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.400
It's that thing where Moffatt's arcs tend to be about the

832
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.000
characters.

833
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.599
And so here the big arc, I think, in series 8 is the Danny Clara

834
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:31.380
romance.

835
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.139
Which is not really evident in this episode because she's going to

836
00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:35.940
be a bit more in love with Robert this week.

837
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.400
And it'll ramp up, obviously, next week.

838
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:41.099
Coming back to sort of the conclusion of the episode.

839
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:45.719
I think when the doctor says that he's leaving a present for

840
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.039
Robin.

841
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:50.460
It actually shows that he actually does care, right?

842
00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:53.699
And I think one of the biggest complaints is that, you know, well

843
00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:56.099
from last week, she's my carer.

844
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:57.300
She cares so I don't have to.

845
00:39:57.420 --> 00:39:59.340
But he actually, underneath it all does.

846
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.739
And you're going to see that a number of times in the episodes

847
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:05.460
coming up that he actually, although he may appear to be harsh

848
00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:09.179
he's doing it for a reason to save her and hopefully others, but

849
00:40:09.179 --> 00:40:10.980
unsure that he's going to be able to do it.

850
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:14.639
But here, with Robin, despite all that's happened, here is Marion

851
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:20.400
she has found you and he's the conduit for that, you know, and it

852
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:24.900
shows a lighter side than perhaps what people or the general

853
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:28.320
public or whoever perceived or even myself at that time.

854
00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:43.019
Why does Robin shoot a big arrow up into the air after he hugs

855
00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:43.320
up?

856
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:45.239
Am I reading too much into that?

857
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:47.219
Are we on foot again?

858
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:48.599
Not at all.

859
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:54.119
Haven't they just done it a few scenes ago with that the statue of

860
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:58.860
Nemesis, sorry, the arrow of the arrow into the spaceship and just

861
00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:01.019
by hitting the outside of the spaceship is suddenly on the

862
00:41:01.019 --> 00:41:01.380
target.

863
00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:02.460
And there's a target?

864
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:03.420
that's awesome.

865
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:08.340
But just by that, then they can reach maximum power or whatever it

866
00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:09.360
happens to be.

867
00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:11.340
Explode safely in space or something.

868
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:12.719
He's excited.

869
00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:14.760
It's like when people jump into me.

870
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.019
It is. the guns.

871
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:16.679
He got the arrow.

872
00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:17.039
Yes.

873
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.059
He's very excited.

874
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:22.079
You know, the poor peasant or animal creature that lands on?

875
00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:22.860
Well, you know?

876
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.780
People did hate that ending and people did say that it wasn't

877
00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:28.320
possible.

878
00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:31.380
And you just kind of think, come on, like it doesn't matter.

879
00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:33.300
In this context, it doesn't really matter.

880
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.420
If you have had an episode where you're talking about Errol

881
00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:40.679
Flynn's enormous ego, you're talking about a golden arrow and that

882
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.159
archery competition, that the prison wrangling between the two.

883
00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:47.760
Isn't this the only conclusion that you could have for an episode

884
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.820
that's full of fallocentric energy?

885
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:57.119
Lego technic castle spaceships at, um, and I was really hoping.

886
00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:58.079
It really is, isn't it?

887
00:41:58.139 --> 00:42:01.380
I was hoping for an Androids of Tara moment, but it's carefully.

888
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:06.420
Carehilly Castle, which is made of cream cheese, I believe

889
00:42:06.539 --> 00:42:08.219
according to the brand name.

890
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.320
We've seen it before, haven't we?

891
00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:10.920
Adrian?

892
00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:12.659
Ker Philly Castle, Todd?

893
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.039
It's been in other episodes anyway.

894
00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:16.380
But more recent series, not the traditional series.

895
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:17.760
It does look very good.

896
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:19.380
Like, I think that that's the other thing.

897
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:20.820
It looks pretty great.

898
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.320
And this is an episode directed by Paul Murphy who just does this

899
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:26.579
and the caretaker.

900
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:27.840
He's very good.

901
00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:28.860
I feel.

902
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.800
I think it's that thing too, where it's the opposite of Alan

903
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.519
Bromley in the Time Warrior, where he can't do any special effects

904
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:41.460
and everything has fixed in the special edition DVT release.

905
00:42:41.820 --> 00:42:44.219
Tennis ball and a bit of tint.

906
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:45.420
That's right.

907
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.139
Whereas I think that this works really well and the big shots of

908
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:51.900
inside the castle and the sort of crowds and stuff.

909
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:55.980
You know, they don't look like they would in a feature film, but

910
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:57.420
they look pretty good for TV.

911
00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:58.860
They look amazing.

912
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.460
And let's just, because we've done this before, but Alan Bromley's

913
00:43:02.460 --> 00:43:07.559
character work and his work with the cast, especially with Iron

914
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.980
Grown and his and his little mate, blood.

915
00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:12.119
Very good.

916
00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:13.320
Blood, blood.

917
00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:16.679
I just superb.

918
00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:18.179
Just superb.

919
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.460
So is there parallel here with like Alan of Dale?

920
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.679
Don't they tell him to stop singing or something?

921
00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:23.460
Give it up.

922
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.480
Oh, can we mention, again, this is the frustrating thing for me

923
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:28.139
with Gurtis.

924
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:29.880
The guest cast is superb.

925
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:31.739
The casting is brilliant.

926
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.000
There isn't one person I would criticise and we often do, don't we

927
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:36.360
Todd?

928
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.400
Oh, that was a rush.

929
00:43:38.460 --> 00:43:39.300
That was a rush job.

930
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.940
But no, there's no one here that the merry men are perfect.

931
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.519
I would have been very happy with another episode just seeing the

932
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:45.420
characters fleshed out.

933
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:46.320
Yeah.

934
00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:49.139
They are better than they need to be.

935
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:49.800
I think.

936
00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:51.719
Yeah, given how little I get to do.

937
00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:52.980
They seem to get the brief.

938
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.

939
00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:56.340
No, you're quite right.

940
00:43:56.460 --> 00:44:00.059
Like, I mean, if the merry men and Marion, and even seeing the

941
00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:03.119
sheriff become the sheriff, like, a la time warrior, you could

942
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:09.119
have expanded everything to 2 episodes if you wanted to, but that

943
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.000
could have ended up like that horrendous dialect story back in

944
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:13.320
that.

945
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:15.420
We really liked. which you really like, but I don't.

946
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:19.920
I seem to recall the time, Todd's saying, you might well have

947
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:21.000
convinced me of it.

948
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:22.559
It makes me a lot more fun than I thought.

949
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:23.760
We had a Todd experience.

950
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:28.260
I've just remembered Carefully Castle is also used for shots in

951
00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:31.019
Vampire and Venice, and another one of Todd and my favourites

952
00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:32.519
Nightmare in Silver.

953
00:44:32.579 --> 00:44:34.440
Oh, wow.

954
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.579
That's why we blocked it out.

955
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.139
That's why we blocked it out.

956
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.000
Well, actually, the castle's used okay.

957
00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:39.900
Yeah.

958
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.119
I mean, the castle in this looks really great.

959
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:46.079
And you get long shots of it and the spaceship, you know, coming

960
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.420
up out of it. it's all really good I was getting sort of

961
00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:50.159
Thunderbirds vibes from the start.

962
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:51.059
Oh stop.

963
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:52.800
No, I was just beating hot.

964
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:54.360
It is, yeah.

965
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:55.920
It's very, very thunder, but.

966
00:44:55.980 --> 00:44:58.500
But actually, we haven't had a rocket come out of a castle before

967
00:44:58.500 --> 00:44:59.699
in Doctor Who, have we?

968
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.679
We must have done.

969
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:04.079
We must have thought I cannot remember.

970
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:05.460
Doesn't it blow up?

971
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:06.420
doesn't it blow up?

972
00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:09.059
We see them blow up a lot, but I don't see a spaceship come out of

973
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:09.300
it.

974
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:10.679
Doesn't the space...

975
00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:12.000
Isn't there a rocket coming out?

976
00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:13.739
No, no, no, no, wait, but that's not a castle.

977
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.840
No, no, come on the Time Warrior.

978
00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:21.059
It doesn't, no, it doesn't lynx's spaceship launch from inside.

979
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.139
We just don't see it.

980
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:23.880
Well, we can't afford that.

981
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:25.139
But it does.

982
00:45:25.139 --> 00:45:26.519
Explode the thing.

983
00:45:26.579 --> 00:45:26.820
Yeah.

984
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.159
So there you go. to do a proper version.

985
00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:29.579
Thank you.

986
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.300
Another nod to ride on target. to the time worrying.

987
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:33.840
My goodness.

988
00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:34.980
There's so many of them.

989
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:39.059
Yeah, well, I think because the time warrior is Bob Holmes and

990
00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:42.000
because Bob Holmes didn't want to do any historical research at

991
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:42.179
all.

992
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:47.159
So he just decided he would set it in sort of, you know, merry

993
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:52.019
England in the mediaeval period, which is where Robin Hood lives, I

994
00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:54.239
guess, in a sort of fictional past.

995
00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:57.780
So he's just hauling that up because he knows it works.

996
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:01.199
Gatus knows what stuff works from his knowledge of the classic

997
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:01.679
series.

998
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.519
It's really surprising that it's taken this long to get a Robin

999
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:06.059
Hood story.

1000
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.059
I suppose the Tom Mario is a resort.

1001
00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:10.739
Yeah, yeah, you've got Howley Archer.

1002
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:14.820
Oh, yes, Boba Fett before he regenerated.

1003
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.380
We've got to Demo era, Morrison.

1004
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:17.699
We've got June Brown.

1005
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:24.659
You've got June Brown, having a fag, castle battlements. having a

1006
00:46:24.659 --> 00:46:27.000
sniff at whatever he's making with his wolf weeds over there.

1007
00:46:27.059 --> 00:46:32.760
She was up for whatever little potent morsels, but we was brewing

1008
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:33.539
up, you could tell.

1009
00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:37.199
She know, I'll put that in me roll up and have a drag on that

1010
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:37.800
little.

1011
00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:40.619
God, I love time where I. What are we doing today?

1012
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:41.639
Which story is this?

1013
00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:45.420
Well, I love this, Richard, and I'm giving it 8.5 out of 10.

1014
00:46:45.659 --> 00:46:49.019
And so for a throwaway episode, that's pretty good for me.

1015
00:46:49.139 --> 00:46:53.460
Like, I mean, most sort of fluffy episodes, if they get an 8 solid

1016
00:46:53.460 --> 00:46:54.900
but I really just love it.

1017
00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:57.179
And sounds like Adrian, you do too.

1018
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.039
Yeah, I think I'll give it Nate as well.

1019
00:46:59.099 --> 00:47:00.420
I think everything is just lovely.

1020
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:03.179
There's nothing that's missing that you resent, that you regret

1021
00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:03.900
about this episode.

1022
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:04.500
It's just fun.

1023
00:47:04.739 --> 00:47:08.400
I'm surprised watching it now 3 times.

1024
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:12.119
So I usually just watch them once and then, now, again, how much

1025
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.599
fun it was, how good the throwaway lines are and how old I am

1026
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.940
because I'm not used to watching at this pace.

1027
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.280
I actually have to watch them again to catch the lines.

1028
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:25.139
So I can see why this is now a proper family drama again and kids

1029
00:47:25.139 --> 00:47:29.579
are so attuned to this speed of viewing and their parents would be

1030
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:30.599
my age or younger.

1031
00:47:30.659 --> 00:47:33.780
They're sort of, you know, catching it up on the 2nd and 3rd

1032
00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:34.139
viewing.

1033
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:40.019
This really improves like a fine wine with subsequent viewing.

1034
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:44.400
And Tom Riley is just an absolute joy and really, and in fact, he

1035
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.579
and Jenna, you can really see whenever there's someone in the cast

1036
00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:53.099
and the guest cast at that level, Jenna shines, just perfect, both

1037
00:47:53.099 --> 00:47:53.460
of them.

1038
00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:22.139
Well, new listener, that's all we have time for this week.

1039
00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:25.980
We'll be back next week to find out how Clara and Danny's first

1040
00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:28.199
date turns out in listen.

1041
00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:32.280
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1042
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:35.760
and you can keep up with us on our website, FlightthroughEntirety

1043
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:38.760
com, where you'll find links to our accounts on Facebook, Twitter

1044
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:42.659
and Mastodon, as well as links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger

1045
00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:46.860
Jody Interterra, Maximum Power, and Untitled Star Trek project.

1046
00:48:47.099 --> 00:48:51.179
Until next time, it's probably time you considered shaving off

1047
00:48:51.179 --> 00:48:52.019
that goatee.

1048
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.480
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1049
00:48:54.539 --> 00:48:55.679
See you soon.

1050
00:48:55.739 --> 00:48:56.639
Take care.

1051
00:48:56.699 --> 00:48:57.659
Good then.

1052
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.780
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Todd B. will be Nathan

1053
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:09.179
Bottomley, Adrian Poon, and Richard Stone.

1054
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:10.980
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

1055
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.519
This episode, Fallocentric Energy, was recorded on the 15th of

1056
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.460
January 2023, and released on the 30th of April.

1057
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.940
Those of you who are missing father of the podcast, Brendan Jones

1058
00:49:23.940 --> 00:49:27.360
will, of course, get to catch up with him later in the series, but

1059
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.900
in the meantime, check him and his friend BJ out as they tackle

1060
00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:34.019
some independent games in the BJBJ game show.

1061
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:35.940
There's a link in the show notes.

1062
00:49:39.059 --> 00:49:40.260
I think that's it.

1063
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:41.039
Yep.

1064
00:49:41.099 --> 00:49:42.300
I think you're taking us out.

1065
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.280
Hi, I think we're good.

1066
00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:45.000
I think I'm good.

1067
00:49:45.059 --> 00:49:47.579
I think we've got enough.

1068
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:48.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1069
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:49.079
Yep, we're good.

1070
00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:50.579
I have a question, but doesn't it?

1071
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:51.539
Yeah, go on, ask me the question.

1072
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.280
Adrian, are you at all an Avengers fan?

1073
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.199
and you know what I mean when I say Avengers fan?

1074
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.599
because you've heard the podcast that Brent, you're needed?

1075
00:49:57.659 --> 00:49:58.199
Yeah, yeah.

1076
00:49:58.260 --> 00:50:00.659
That's the only one.

1077
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:04.980
You know that Stanley stole it. from the TV series because the

1078
00:50:04.980 --> 00:50:06.480
original Avengers series is 1960.

1079
00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:07.139
Right.

1080
00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:08.159
So it's that old.

1081
00:50:08.219 --> 00:50:10.199
Yeah, Stanley, because he thought, oh, it's never going to be

1082
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:10.980
shown in America.

1083
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:13.260
And he used that for his comic series.

1084
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:18.840
Brendan talks about that very with great skill when whatever

1085
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.900
episode, but she is the perfect M appeal.

1086
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:23.219
And just watching this and her.

1087
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:24.719
And it's not just the shape of the face.

1088
00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:27.599
And I actually think that she needs 3 mirrors.

1089
00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:33.179
We're talking about that next, and that is absolutely one of my

1090
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:38.039
favourite life. consulting and accurate.

1091
00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:40.739
They both have a heart-shaped face, but I think they're actually

1092
00:50:40.739 --> 00:50:42.360
from the same part of England.

1093
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:45.300
They might even have genetic material.

1094
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.179
She is a perfect...

1095
00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:49.920
She looks like rig when she were young.

1096
00:50:49.980 --> 00:50:52.679
Those little moments, the little looks, the little side eye.

1097
00:50:52.739 --> 00:50:55.500
I just would have loved a series of the Avengers.

1098
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.619
She would, she's too big now, but just at the time with she and I

1099
00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:00.239
don't know who I would have cast as steed.

1100
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.900
That's probably a lot of...

1101
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.900
Maybe Julian Wadham, someone we haven't seen before, but

1102
00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:12.239
necessarily Doctor Who, but just, oh, it would be so much fun set

1103
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:13.139
in the 60s.

1104
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:17.519
She's she's really got that fun it girl vibe.

1105
00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:20.820
Well, I don't know what the 60s version of the girl was, the mod

1106
00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:21.599
girl, I guess.

1107
00:51:21.659 --> 00:51:23.280
God, she's good.

1108
00:51:23.340 --> 00:51:24.420
She's not warm.

1109
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:27.840
I think there's a lot of people who dislike her for that reason.

1110
00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:29.280
But Rick wasn't warm.

1111
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:30.119
Yeah.

1112
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:32.039
And was Liz Slad and Warm?

1113
00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:32.579
Yes, she was.

1114
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:33.420
Yeah, she was.

1115
00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:34.380
True moments of war.

1116
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.059
Well, because she's playing it a bit young.

1117
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.179
She's doing the Katie trick of playing it slightly like a child

1118
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:40.139
you know?

1119
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:41.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1120
00:51:41.219 --> 00:51:44.280
In that 1st season. overplaying.

1121
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:47.820
You know, the playing it slightly big, like a cartoon character.

1122
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:51.119
She's a bit hyper real, I think. played it younger than she was?

1123
00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:52.739
didn't think that at the time.

1124
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:53.639
Sometimes.

1125
00:51:53.699 --> 00:51:57.000
If you if you watch it, it's what Katie does it backwards.

1126
00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:01.500
Yeah, no, no, what I mean, what I mean is that she, she, not that

1127
00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:04.860
she's playing it like a, like a child, but there's a slightly

1128
00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:09.780
bigger child kids TV performance.

1129
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.119
I know Katie definitely does. 11 as a person.

1130
00:52:12.179 --> 00:52:15.239
Well, no, I think generally, I think, that she generally... she

1131
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:15.480
right?

1132
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:17.099
And also a 70s way of working.

1133
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:17.940
Yeah, yeah.

1134
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.880
So it's time when she drops it where it's really kind of obvious

1135
00:52:20.940 --> 00:52:23.639
murder a cup of tea, which is her mind, apparently.

1136
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:24.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1137
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:25.199
She threw that in.

1138
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.320
Oh, could murder a cup of tea.

1139
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.000
Because she's got the same accent as...

1140
00:52:30.059 --> 00:52:31.320
Yeah, they're from the same pot.

1141
00:52:31.380 --> 00:52:32.280
It's JR.

1142
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:33.420
Apparently she threw that in.

1143
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:34.860
That wasn't Bob Holmes said.

1144
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:35.880
Bob Holmes laughed.

1145
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:37.199
During the reading.

1146
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:38.039
Yeah, keep it.

1147
00:52:38.099 --> 00:52:39.300
Yeah.

1148
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:41.280
Well, I think we're done.

1149
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:42.000
Do you think we're done?

1150
00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:42.420
Yep.

1151
00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:42.719
Yep.

1152
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:43.019
Okay.