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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through

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Entirety.

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The only Doctor Who podcast with no memory at all of anything

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that's happened in the last 5 years.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Peter.

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And I'm Simon.

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Well, it's time for Clara's 2nd date with Danny, and this time

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it's the doctor's turn to come along and ruin everything.

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And so now we're in the most secure bank in the universe with

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literally no idea of how we got here or what we're supposed to do

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next.

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It's Ocean's 4 with a couple of horny pachyderms in time heist.

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So, again, here we are in sort of part five of Is the Doctor a

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good person or not?

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And here we're getting our fifth iteration of that idea, and it's

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different each time.

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Boring manufactured character never goes anywhere.

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Do you think?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think it is a very moffity thing and it's very central

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to the way the doctor has been portrayed by Moffatt even during

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the Smith era.

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Here, I guess we get the sort of self-hatred thing, don't we?

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The doctor hates the architect, and that's how the doctor works

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out that he's the architect because the doctor hates himself.

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Is that how he works out?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Do you remember the speech at the very end where he talks about

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how he's manipulative and arrogant and he thinks he's smarter than

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everyone in the room and the sort of penny starts to drop?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But that's not self-hatred per se. just him recognising that he's

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all of those things.

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But that's how he knows that he hates the architect, the architect

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him because he's all the things that the doctor hates about

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himself.

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I guess.

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The self-hatred line is lampshaded.

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Yeah.

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But other than that, this is fairly straightforward, I think.

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I mean, in a good way, I think.

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I think it's 3rd time lucky for Stephen Thompson.

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He previously gave us Doctor Who's Pirate movie and then Doctor

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Who's Expedition movie, and neither of them really progressed

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beyond the actual premise.

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There was no development of it.

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This, I think, is quite a good keeper movie.

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And it's really the 1st time the Doctor Who's done it.

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Which one's the expedition movie?

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Journey to the centre of the Tartars.

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Oh, right, I see.

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Yeah, I think, like, it is a sort of caper, and I think Douglas

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McKinnon thinks it's a caper.

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He's trying to do all of these little sort of guy Richie ticks and

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stuff like that.

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But I guess the big difference between this heist and a normal TV

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heist is that in a normal TV heist, we see the action take place

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twice.

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So we have the plan, which is explained as a voiceover while we

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see it going right.

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Perfectly correct.

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And then we see it again where it goes wrong at the crucial

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moment.

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Or more frequently.

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More crucial moments, lots of crucial.

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Yes, yeah, it goes wrong and they save it.

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Yeah, that's right.

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But then it goes catastrophically wrong. at some point.

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Here, we don't have that and they don't know what they're doing.

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Look, I mean, I think that this is a very good episode, which is

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very entertaining, but I think it is, as you kind of allude to

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there.

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I think it is actually slightly wasted because I think given that

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it's a time heist, You could actually be actually doing it twice

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using time traveller as a result.

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I think it's saved to be really good by a really good production

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and really good performances because I think it doesn't actually

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quite land at the end.

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I want kind of more out of it, even though I really enjoy it and I

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love it.

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I think we get, you know, the kind of reverse where we actually do

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see Capaldi turn up, presumably in his TARDIS, although that's not

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made explicit, and putting all the cases everywhere.

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I mean, that sort of 7th doctor, New Adventure, sort of way.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And also keeper movies rise and fall on the quality of their

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characters.

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And I think this episode, and also listened last week, were the

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1st ones which felt like they were tailored towards Capaldi's

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character.

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It wouldn't have worked quite so well with Matt Smith.

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I just don't think it would have been entertaining without that

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mercurial capaldi quality, but also the 2 guest performance and

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their characters are really quite engaging in a way that it put me

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in the mind of ghost monument, which we'll come to in X number of

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years, where you have the same thing of like the Tartars team and

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2 characters added on and they're doing some kind of trip or

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quest.

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And those characters were utterly forgettable in their

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characterisation and their performances.

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Whereas here, you really want to spend more time with Sire and

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Sabre.

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Yeah.

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So science, Jonathan Bailey.

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If you put each other.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He gets better himself to this.

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He gets to have sex with Phoebe Wallerbridge in series 2 of

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Broadchurch.

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And he gets to have sex with me in about 3 years.

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So actually, I think what's kind of delightful is.

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Obviously in Bridgerton, you know, it's an American TV production

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in which he has to take his shirt off.

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And so he is absolutely shredded.

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But here he's got a little bit of sort of pudgy puppy fats in his

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face.

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I think he's adorable.

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He still is poured into that leather suit quite beautifully.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, I think he looks great.

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I'm not objecting at all I think he's...

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I haven't.

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And then say, bro, I kept, if I looked away from the screen, I

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think she just sounds like exactly like Jenny, you know, Faster

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and Jenny.

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She's got the same accent.

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She's got the same kind of voice.

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And so I kept hearing Jenny whenever I saw her.

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I think they're both really good.

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And they make that transition well from the start of the episode

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where you don't know if they're friend or foe. just been thrown

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together and they're a bit hostile towards the end of the episode

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in that last scene where it's really quite nice.

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You think, I could go with this extended TARDS team.

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It's actually really fun, isn't it?

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So they are kind of designed to fit into the plot.

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And I think the sort of telling moment is where we get 2

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consecutive scenes of them talking, delivering the exposition

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that's needed to explain what it is they're being paid with.

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And so I think we get the scene between Clara and Cy where he

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talks about deleting his family.

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And then immediately after that, we get Sabre and the doctor

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talking about how she can't have a relationship, because...

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Because she always ends up looking like them.

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That standard rogue from X-Men, kind of.

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Yeah, it's a little bit something.

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But it's also used to see the looking at into your own eyes

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thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, the self-hatred thing.

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Yeah, that they bring in with Carabraxos and Mrs. Delfox.

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And the doctor.

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And the doctor and the architect.

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But that's a little bit rightly.

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It's a little bit kind of not something anyone would actually ever

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say.

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Yeah, and you can sort of follow the threads of the plot being put

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together, you know.

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We could highlight this thematically.

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It's like, uh-huh.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I think that where those characters do come into their own is

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that extended sequence, at the end, which is super unusual for

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Doctor Who, and we've had a doctor now for a few episodes who is

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really brusque and not very good with people and a bit obnoxious

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having these sort of scenes of joking and eating Chinese food with

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sabra and psy in the TARDIS, which I think is lovely.

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And like super unusual in any era, I think.

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And kind of, those scenes are usually quite annoying where you

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have, you know, the team together at the end.

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Someone cracks a not very funny joke and everyone else laughs

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themselves silly over it, but it suits the end of a caper movie

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because it's all about the one between those characters where they

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work together.

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We're getting a gang together.

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Yeah exactly.

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Another trip getting the gang back together.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I'm getting vibes of Peter Davison standing around with

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everyone else in the store at the end of the Awakening going on

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about TV.

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Exactly about the awakening.

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Only this bit's entertaining.

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I really love the start, the precredit sequence.

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And we had it last week as well.

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We listen where it's a slightly different start to an episode.

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You know, the bit of opening credits, which turns into the tumble

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dryer and, yeah, giving a bit of a monologue.

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I quite like stylistically how where they were going with these.

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And then I was kind of disappointed that they didn't kind of keep

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going because I think it was a really nice new way of doing the 45

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minute episodes.

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Also, interestingly, they used the sting from series one to four

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the beginning of the titles.

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Oh, really?

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No reason.

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For no reason.

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It only improved it.

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No, if only they had for the rest of the series.

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Like that sting works really well there.

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And they also did it on robots of Sherwood. as well.

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Yes.

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So wonder why they accidentally used, probably.

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Well, I mean, we've just had a whole episode, which is largely

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about the rom-com subplot of the season.

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So listen takes place entirely during Danny and Clara's 1st date.

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And I've said before, uh, this season that I like the rom-com

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sunplot because I think it's funny.

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I think it's something that Moffa can do really well.

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It gives Clara something normal to do rather than be the

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impossible girl.

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She just gets to be a person and she kind of gets to be a

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character in chalk or press gang or something like that.

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You know, something that Moffa can ride in his sleep.

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And, you know, that's clearly the reason he keeps getting these

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writing co-credits because of that.

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And so here we have the doctor just giving a Florana speech, isn't

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he?

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to her while he's sort of staring into the tumble dryer, looking

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at her under things, I guess.

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And this is the 2nd date, which he interrupts.

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I think what's really terrifically good is the way that he picks

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up the phone from the TARDIS and then suddenly he screams and puts

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down a memory worm.

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And that's a very Moffat thing as well, isn't it?

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Using the memory worm to explain the jump from one place to

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another and why we haven't seen the action.

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Yeah, like...

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We're experiencing the missing time that they've experienced.

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Yeah, like what happens with the silence, right?

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Yeah, same kind of thing.

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Same kind of thing.

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It's very, very cleverly done.

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And it gets you straight into it.

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It's a great way of doing it.

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But I think even if the story were longer, I think you'd still do

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that, because you don't want to have it all happen twice.

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Well, we do want to happen at all and happen twice, but any

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different way.

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And visually, the jump cut really works.

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Yeah, and the direction as a whole really works.

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And, you know, we said Stephen Thompson, it might be 3rd time

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lucky.

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Douglas McKinnon, I was not swept away by his 1st efforts on the

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show, which was the Santaran 2-parter from series 4.

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I thought that was a bit ham fisted, actually, but he is director

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who comes good as he goes along, and this is expertly done, I

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think.

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So he he has done the Santaran 2 Pada, he does Power of 3 and Cold

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War.

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He did listen last week, and maybe that story's kind of worst

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feature, I think, is probably McKinnon's direction.

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But he does flatline later, which is also good, I think.

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He's kind of hit and miss, but when he hits, he hits.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he's helped long here.

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There's some unmissable things that you would have to do if you

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were any kind of director and you're directing Doctor Who's heist

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episode, but he gets them all right.

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Maybe because in this, he's got a lot of references in from other

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films, the Asians films, particularly. to go to, whereas when he's

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doing some of those early things like this and Taranti part, he

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doesn't really know what's going on, how do I do this?

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How do I cover this?

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And that's why it kind of all looks a bit crappy.

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It's a shorthand that is known in in production in filmmaking that

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you can go to with a heist movie.

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Exactly, but you can get these beats.

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Yeah, but we need to do those beats.

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Otherwise it isn't doing what we want it to do.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The tone meeting is evident on Shantar and two-paso.

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It's like, what tone are they going for?

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We're not sure. never made clear.

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Whereas here, it's absolutely evident from the outset what you

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should be going for.

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I heard that Steve Thompson decided to do a monster that was a

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practical effect, and I think that the teller is a pretty good

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costume.

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Although it doesn't.

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From a man in a rubber suit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And sort of articulated and things, you know, there's a lot of

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animatronics or puppetry going on there.

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It's got mandral feet.

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Yes, particularly in the final scene where it goes off with Mrs

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Teller. you know, into the wilderness.

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They've both got mandal feet.

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It's a bit heteronormatively reductive.

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Well, she is given she her pronouns in the script.

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So I'm going to go with that.

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Her name is Penn.

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It's pen and pen.

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Terrible.

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The little tails that they have.

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Yeah, they do.

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I think the tales are there to cover their butt cracks, actually.

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Modesty.

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Modesty.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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But I think that's really good.

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And then that enables the bank to be a little bit more impressive

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except that it's not, but the lobby is...

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The lobby sets the scene and because it's not one CGI shot.

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You know, it's not nightmare in silver, where you're setting up an

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entire fairground, then you go into a corner of the studio. because

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they actually spend some time there and you do get a lot of shots

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and it's very nicely lit.

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That's all you really need.

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Then they can descend into the usual tunnels and vault, which was

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part of the millennium stadium or whatever.

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Yeah.

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The bits outside the bank in the big forecourt.

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That's rolled D Plus.

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All right.

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Where, sorry?

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The big plaza, like public square, where the torch tower, the

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tower, the water tower.

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Yeah, that's the square outside torchwood.

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With a lot of CTI around.

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A lot of green screens, GGI around it to cover it up, but

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that's...

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Suppose they just find an open space and then CGI, all the crap

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around it that they do.

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Yeah, they just hang up giant green screens around the square.

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Because, I mean, that final scene too, where the doctor and Clara

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drop Mr. and Mrs. Taylor off at the end. doesn't for a 2nd look

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like they're actually there, but it's still very well done.

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Oh, it's very well done.

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Yes, yeah.

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Yeah, sort of fairy tale landscape.

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I want to know where Mr. and Mrs. Teller are going to get all

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their food because then they feed off all that mental energy of

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other creatures.

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I don't know, but they were kind of exhausted by all of that.

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I mean, that was the kind of idea is that it's part of the way

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that we sell that Madame Carabrak sauce has been sort of torturing

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him is by making him upset that he has to listen to all of that

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noise.

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And so now it's just the 2 of them together.

350
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Right, yes, yeah.

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Like they may feed off mental energy, but she's been forcing him

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to use his food source to kill people.

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Another example of that sort of flattened head that we saw in

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Bells of St.

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John. and silence in the library.

356
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It's like, let's do that effect again.

357
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Yeah, he gets really into that because he does it in Husbands of

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River song and then again in the following episode, I think, too.

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So he's constantly doing sort of CGI heads.

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And notice that I think there's 4 people on the screen.

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There's the guy who gets attacked by the teller in the lobby and

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then we see a screen with him and and 2 of them have shaved heads

363
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in order to make that read more clearly.

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Watch out, Nathan and James.

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This is why this is why you're keeping your hair.

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That can't be used for that kind of effect.

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But going back to the heist movie thing, the other thing that

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makes it a sort of real heist movie is that, you know, in the

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oceans films, you know, when they're robbing a casino or whatever

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the hell it is, and George Clooney is telling you about all the

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stuff that they have to get through, there's always these

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ridiculously over the top security measures, bizarre security

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measures that they have to get through.

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And we do have that with the breathing thing and the DNA.

375
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Yeah, you get incinerated if you...

376
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And the special skills, you know, like everyone in the... brings a

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particular thing, yes.

378
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Yeah, yeah.

379
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So we have Sabra disguising herself as a white guy.

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And it's kind of actually funny.

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You know, he's this sort of very straight laced looking grey

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haired person about Capaldi's age.

383
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He looks like Capaldi.

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But he looks much less kind of, like, Capaldi still manages to

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look like the doctor, you know, hair of an idiot in context with

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someone else in the same shot as him sort of roughly the same

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age.

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Again, I think we're continuing to with giving Capaldi really sort

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of fantastic dismissive lines.

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There's that thing where they're all sort of terrified. going to

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be blown up in the room and Clara points out, you know, if we let

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the bomb off in here, we'll all be killed or whatever.

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And he says something about pessimism and, you know, kind of

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wrecking the group's morale and stuff.

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Like, I think all of that works really well with Capoldi, and I'm

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not finding that that portrayal of the character is tiresome or

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needs retooling.

398
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No, it's great.

399
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I think the stuff which is a little bit greeting on that is where

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I don't know if there's some residual channelling of Malcolm

401
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Tucker in there, but in the scene where the doctor is putting it

402
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all together, and he has that line shut up, shutterty up, up, up.

403
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It's a little bit.

404
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Oh, come on.

405
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That's tiny, whiny.

406
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But it is...

407
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That's more that's more Moffat than than...

408
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It is, but it's Moffat doing Malcolm Tucker.

409
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It is, yeah, yeah.

410
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Well, I think isn't isn't the kind of the promise of Capaldi

411
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wasn't it kind of being a bit Malcolm Tucker anyway?

412
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He's a bit aggressive and, you know, telling people to shut up.

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And then D shut up when he wants them to speak.

414
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Well, I did like that.

415
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I love that.

416
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You D shut up.

418
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Yes.

419
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I do.

420
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But I love I love the throwaway insults because they're not really

421
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they're not, they're not overly cutting.

422
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They're not they're not too cutting.

423
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They're just really rapid fire quips and I do think they work

424
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really, really well.

425
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I actually don't mind.

426
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I find myself this time through not really minding the insults

427
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about Clara's appearance.

428
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And it's partly, I think, because Clara knows she's hot. you know

429
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and she's looking at her own bum and stuff like that.

430
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You know, Capaldi doesn't respond to the outfit that she turns up

431
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in... why he's taller.

432
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Why is your face coloured in?

433
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Is this the episode undermining her in any way?

434
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No, because he looks like an idiot. a joke against you.

435
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Yes, exactly.

436
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You know, we had that joke with Matt Smith who couldn't tell that

437
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Amy was pregnant in Amy's choice.

438
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He didn't know what that was.

439
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And so we just have that with Capaldi.

440
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And I think you kind of need something like that.

441
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Like, I think that's partly motivated from a desire not to have

442
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any kind of sexual attraction between them.

443
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It makes it clear that nothing's going to go on.

444
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Yeah.

445
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So it's a nice refreshing change from that sort of tenant era.

446
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But also it's just easy laughs.

447
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I mean, it's the same trick that Moffat does with Stracts.

448
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The thing that makes Strax funny is he's completely blithe to

449
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everything about him.

450
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He can't tell if Clara is a girl or a boy.

451
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Yeah, can't tell if she's wearing a hat or a coat.

452
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The one with the not the one with the enormous head.

453
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It is all sort of reminiscent of the, you're a very beautiful

454
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woman problem.

455
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Yes, I think that that's the genesis of it actually.

456
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Yeah, yeah.

457
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It had been long enough since I watched this that I actually

458
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forgot the twist.

459
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Yes, me too.

460
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And so...

461
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Yeah, well, I think it's a reasonable twist, and we have had it

462
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before.

463
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I don't mean the twist, the doctor's the architect.

464
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I did remember that and I remember that he'd organised it, although

465
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perhaps not quite to what extent he'd done it, but it's the

466
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shredders, the molecular shredders.

467
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And I actually genuinely, this time for a little while thought

468
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that Sabre had been killed.

469
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Yeah.

470
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And that's the other point in the episode where the, is the doctor

471
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a good person thing comes up because I think the doctor's quite

472
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reasonable to round on Cy and tell him we're not going to worry

473
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about Sabra's death right now because we need to do this thing in

474
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order to stay alive ourselves.

475
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And it's certainly a thing that I can imagine Tom's doctor

476
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saying.

477
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It doesn't seem too excessive or too callous.

478
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Olympian detachment.

479
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Yeah, but it's also...

480
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We don't have time for this now.

481
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It's not the afterwards.

482
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It's the beforehand.

483
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It's the if we assume that the character genuinely believes that

484
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this is effectively a suicide pill because the fate you are about

485
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to suffer is worse than killing yourself right now.

486
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It was that that I was a bit worried about the way he hands at the

487
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thing and, you know, the exit strategy and so on.

488
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I found that a bit.

489
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I'd like to think that he actually knows that this is actually a

490
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teleport or strongly suspects that this is a teleport.

491
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The same thing in Into the Dalek, where that other soldier gets

492
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vaporised.

493
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A couple of them get vaporised by the antibodies.

494
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And the doctor doesn't in advance, the doctor doesn't seem to care

495
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about it.

496
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I think that is different to afterwards saying, we can't deal with

497
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this now, we need to move on.

498
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Yeah, yeah.

499
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Although, I mean, he does in Into the Dart.

500
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He does say he was dead already.

501
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There was nothing I could do about it.

502
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And then in the second, the 2nd time he's there, actually

503
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comforting her and reassuring her that he's going to make her

504
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sacrifice worthwhile.

505
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:54.900
And that's the flip in that episode.

506
00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:59.819
Here, I think that's the bit where Cy kind of gets terribly cross

507
00:22:59.819 --> 00:23:02.819
and tells him off and stuff like that.

508
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:05.759
But I don't think he's being that much of a problem here.

509
00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:09.059
No, and it's like any early doctor story.

510
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:12.059
We can look at the example of robot with Tom, we were talking

511
00:23:12.059 --> 00:23:12.900
about just a moment ago.

512
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.180
Everything's a bit over-egged.

513
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:17.819
They're coming in a bit strong on everything and then they sort

514
00:23:17.819 --> 00:23:19.079
out what works and it settles down.

515
00:23:19.140 --> 00:23:21.720
So that element of Capaldi stays all the way through.

516
00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:25.079
And I'm thinking of the moment in thin ice where Bill tells him

517
00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:27.660
off because the guy's being dragged into the ice and he's got the

518
00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:30.359
Sonic and he makes the guy believe that if he can just chuck him

519
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:31.920
the Sonic, maybe he can save him.

520
00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:33.660
But after he's like, no, there was no saving him.

521
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:34.799
I just didn't want to lose the sonic.

522
00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:36.420
I quite like that.

523
00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:37.319
That's good.

524
00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:38.700
So it does stay, doesn't it?

525
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:40.200
That does stay all the way through.

526
00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:42.480
And I like that as well.

527
00:23:42.539 --> 00:23:49.079
I think there's hints of it with Eccleston too, where the Rose

528
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:52.920
Eccleston relationship, you know, Rose is supposed to bring the

529
00:23:52.920 --> 00:24:00.180
sort of human caring and the doctor has a more alien detached view

530
00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:01.079
on things.

531
00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:04.200
So it's not without precedent in Doctor Who.

532
00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:08.579
It's a pragmatism that the character has, but also a lack of time

533
00:24:08.579 --> 00:24:13.920
to waste in these situations with the humankindness.

534
00:24:13.980 --> 00:24:17.819
Yeah, which it sells the I'm not even remotely human.

535
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:18.599
Yeah.

536
00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:20.519
But it's always the doctor sees the big picture and the

537
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.680
companion's always seeing the micro picture.

538
00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:26.220
Yeah, I mean, I'm just trying to kind of work out how this is

539
00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:30.359
different from, and this has come up before, but how is this

540
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:35.759
different from Colin, for instance, because they try and make the

541
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:40.980
doctor unlikeable deliberately in that era, but I don't think they

542
00:24:40.980 --> 00:24:44.099
do it as skilfully or carefully.

543
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:45.960
I take issue with that premise.

544
00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.720
I don't think they're ever trying to make Colin Baker's doctor

545
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:49.440
unlikeable.

546
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:52.319
What they're trying to make him is spiky, which is the same as

547
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:53.039
what they're doing.

548
00:24:53.099 --> 00:24:53.519
Yeah.

549
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:58.140
Yeah, sort of... a slightly misbegotten idea of that that's what

550
00:24:58.140 --> 00:25:00.720
Hartnell was like when in fact Hartnell was nothing like that.

551
00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:01.799
Cuddly, as we know.

552
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:02.819
Well, that's not true, actually.

553
00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:04.859
He was like that at times He was cuddly at times.

554
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.880
Yeah, but was also going to throw them off the ship and, you know

555
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.279
was going to, you know, kill the caveman with a rock.

556
00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:14.279
Well, that 80s conception of, you know, the doctor used to be

557
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:14.759
edging.

558
00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:17.759
We want to get back to that is all taken from Hartnell in the 1st

559
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.420
couple of episodes before he's warmed up to Ian and Barbara, and

560
00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:22.980
we see that actually he does like these humans.

561
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:23.700
Yeah.

562
00:25:23.700 --> 00:25:27.660
So it's all taken from that initial harsh thing, which they lose

563
00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:30.059
in the program very quickly because it doesn't quite work.

564
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.200
And I think in the colon era and here, they lose those really

565
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.200
rough edges quite quickly because they recognise, again, it

566
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:37.740
doesn't work.

567
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.200
You need a softer form of that to be acceptable.

568
00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:47.579
I think too, that the writing is different as well because Capolda

569
00:25:47.579 --> 00:25:50.160
gets given really, really funny lines.

570
00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:54.119
Like Capaldi is funny and those lines are well written.

571
00:25:54.180 --> 00:25:56.759
Molfat's conception of it, not Anthony Stevens.

572
00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:58.140
Yeah, that's right Yeah, yeah.

573
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.799
I think that's where it falls down slightly in the Colin Baker era

574
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.380
is that the lines aren't as clever or funny.

575
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.400
But nevertheless, I still, and I still maintain to this day, I was

576
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:11.759
still absolutely loving that portrayal in 985, 6, et cetera

577
00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:13.019
absolutely adoring it.

578
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:17.160
So I think it's an excuse that's added later as to why the era was

579
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:19.619
less successful or, in fact, why the program had been cancelled

580
00:26:19.619 --> 00:26:22.019
which, of course, was for completely other reasons.

581
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:23.279
I agree.

582
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.759
And in this instance, it's a question of a very talented writer

583
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.339
like Moffat, recognising that perhaps it's gone a little bit too

584
00:26:29.339 --> 00:26:31.259
far and pulling it back to somewhere, which is good.

585
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.500
Whereas when they try to do that in the 80s when they try to make

586
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:37.559
Colin all cuddly and lose the abrasive edge completely in season

587
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:39.720
23, the characterisation goes off the cliff.

588
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:40.920
Yes, it's terrible.

589
00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:44.279
It looks like it's an overcorrection in a way.

590
00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:45.000
Yeah.

591
00:26:45.059 --> 00:26:49.019
I mean, I would have said the starkest difference between those 2

592
00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:52.440
characterisations, the doctors, that you don't make a Capaldi

593
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:53.400
strangle Clara.

594
00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:54.059
Yeah.

595
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:54.599
Yeah.

596
00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:55.680
Why not?

597
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:56.579
We ask...

598
00:26:56.940 --> 00:27:01.619
He does leave her to the machinations of the Clockwork Man.

599
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.440
Yeah, yeah, that's a striking moment.

600
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.539
That is effectively the same moment.

601
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.519
Yeah, but done, done better done.

602
00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:13.440
Well, because the thing is that Clara knows it turns out that the

603
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:17.400
doctor or is very certain that the doctor hasn't abandoned her.

604
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.640
She doesn't think the doctor's abandoned her and she reaches her

605
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:21.720
hand back and guess what?

606
00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:22.440
The doctor was there.

607
00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:24.240
She doesn't believe he would.

608
00:27:24.299 --> 00:27:28.440
But we do, but that sort of thing happens all throughout, you know

609
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.559
the history of this program and other programs where for a moment

610
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.680
you're supposed to be led to believe that the hero has turned

611
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:35.339
evil.

612
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.519
You know, I mean, for God's sake, the doctor, one of the latter

613
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.039
episodes of the war games, the cliffhanger is that he's basically

614
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:43.500
handed them all over to the war. you know.

615
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:45.000
And it's a cliffhanger.

616
00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:48.779
I mean, do we really seriously believe the doctor has changed to

617
00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:49.200
be evil?

618
00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:50.339
I mean, no, of course not.

619
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:52.980
And so it's just a story thing, you know.

620
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:59.579
I think like the version of Tom's doctor in Horror Fang Rock is

621
00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:03.359
the one that I keep mentioning, where he's utterly unsympathetic

622
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.440
and utterly unsentimental, because he has a job as well.

623
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:08.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

624
00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:09.359
Yes.

625
00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:14.400
Yeah, I can imagine Capaldi delivering the, you know, there's a

626
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.359
monster outside and by morning we may all be deadline with that

627
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:19.619
big smile at the end.

628
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.279
Like, I think that that's absolutely something that a very good

629
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.640
version of the program has managed to do successfully.

630
00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:29.640
And so I don't think it was a mistake for Moffatt to go back and

631
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:30.359
try and do it again.

632
00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:33.539
No, and it's not an easy progression through this season as well.

633
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:34.920
It kind of bobs up and down.

634
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:37.980
It's not like they start strong and then get it right, because as

635
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:40.799
we'll see from next week's episode, which might be the worst

636
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.579
iteration, like this version of the Capoldi Doctor.

637
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.200
They're still flailing around a little bit.

638
00:28:46.259 --> 00:28:47.160
Yeah, yeah.

639
00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:51.299
Well, I mean, each episode has done this differently in a

640
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:55.200
different way and some things get tried, which never get tried

641
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:55.799
again.

642
00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:58.859
And different right, a different directed day.

643
00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:02.160
And, you know, they perhaps realise after the fact, oh, actually

644
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.400
we did, that didn't quite work, but it only looks bad in the edit

645
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.200
suite, and it's too late to do anything about it.

646
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.079
It's a nice refreshing change though.

647
00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:12.900
I mean, when you have a program which changes the lead actor all

648
00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:16.200
the time and changing the character of the lead actor all the time

649
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:20.220
I think it is refreshing and it's something that they definitely

650
00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:24.000
needed to do because after you had slightly irascible Eccleston

651
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.539
you have the kind of the, you know, thinks you're so hot, tenant

652
00:29:27.539 --> 00:29:31.859
kind of doctor, then you have the public school boy, Matt Smith, I

653
00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:35.039
think this is a perfect next doctor from that.

654
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:39.660
Yeah, and I still think he has lots of things in common with Matt

655
00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:43.740
Smith's doctor because, as I've said, over and over again, you

656
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:48.000
know, both of Russell's doctors are Russell and both of Moffatt's

657
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.000
doctors are Moffatt, you know, the smartest man in the room, but

658
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:54.240
possibly a horrible person or someone who suspects that he's a

659
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.259
horrible person.

660
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.180
This man in the room and Scottish.

661
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:58.200
Scottish.

662
00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:01.859
See, that's the other Colin Baker thing, isn't it?

663
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.720
It's like J&T cast himself.

664
00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:08.519
And Moffatt casts himself as well, which is why I think he ups his

665
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:13.140
game with the witty dialogue as well. funny, isn't it, how J&T

666
00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:16.740
casts Davison, who is the opposite of what J&T is.

667
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.980
And Matt Smith, in many ways, is kind of opposite what Moffatt

668
00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:20.220
is.

669
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:22.980
And then they just go, oh, well, let's have to be me.

670
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.700
What does that say about Chipnall?

671
00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:37.079
But going back to the twist at the end, or twist, the various

672
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.160
twists in that final sequence, I still feel unsatisfied with the

673
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.299
way it resolves.

674
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:43.259
I want more.

675
00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:44.220
I think they could have been more.

676
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.519
Yes, it is all very noble for it to all be about rescuing the

677
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:51.480
Teller and Mrs. Teller, but I think there's more there that could

678
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:52.740
have been utilised in this concept.

679
00:30:52.799 --> 00:31:00.599
I think what the issue is, is that we don't know what led Mrs

680
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:04.980
Carabraxos to have a change of heart, that too.

681
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.299
Where does that come from?

682
00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:08.759
Is it meant to just be old age?

683
00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:10.140
Yeah, sort of.

684
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:10.920
Yeah.

685
00:31:10.980 --> 00:31:14.700
Oh, shout out to the ageing makeup too, which I think is actually

686
00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:15.539
not too bad.

687
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:16.920
It was actually pretty good.

688
00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:18.720
But that's what Keely Hawes looks like.

689
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:20.940
So it's the earlier scenes that are a makeup.

690
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.920
So Keely Hawes is fantastic, obviously, really great.

691
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:29.519
This is the program that made me like Keeley Hawes.

692
00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:30.960
I never liked her previously.

693
00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:33.900
I thought she gave no, well, like I came after.

694
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:39.359
She gave a series of cold, unlikeable performances in characters

695
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:40.319
that shouldn't have been that.

696
00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:42.119
So I'm thinking of ashes to ashes.

697
00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:46.079
I'm thinking of that awful reboot of upstairs downstairs that the

698
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:50.160
BBC did where she was the lady of the manor and utterly unlikeable

699
00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:52.920
whereas the character was written to be likeable, but for some

700
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.160
reason was this ice queen in the hands of Keeley Hawes.

701
00:31:56.220 --> 00:32:00.119
But come to this, she finally channels her inner diva, and from

702
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.400
this onwards, I've liked every performance she's ever given.

703
00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:08.400
I actually like Madame Carabraxos more than I like Mrs. Del Fox, I

704
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:08.940
have to say.

705
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.619
And Mrs. Delfox seemed to me to just be a kind of retread of Miss

706
00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:14.099
Foster.

707
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:15.839
Oh, for partner, he crying.

708
00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:16.440
Yeah, yeah.

709
00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:18.420
Even down to the glasses and things.

710
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:23.460
And she does a sort of Helen A feeding Fifi moment with the teller

711
00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:24.359
as well.

712
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.680
She doesn't really interact with the teller at all as Mrs

713
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.880
Carabraxos.

714
00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:32.880
She talks about him, but we don't see it.

715
00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:38.759
And so there's no kind of hint about why it is she has this change

716
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.500
of heart on her deathbed.

717
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.779
And I also think too, like people think that Moffat is less

718
00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:50.279
political than Russell, and I don't think that that's true.

719
00:32:50.339 --> 00:32:55.859
And Capaldi will go on to be in things like oxygen and thin ice.

720
00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:01.019
And here we have the richest woman in the galaxy and the most

721
00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:04.559
secure bank in the universe or whatever.

722
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:09.480
And still there's no politics, no real discussion of anything like

723
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:09.900
that.

724
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:14.279
And maybe that's not what we're doing here, but given that there's

725
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:19.259
not much else going on, I just kind of feel that there is

726
00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:22.920
something missing from the end from the end there.

727
00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:25.859
I mean, in terms of the policies of it, I think it's something

728
00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:28.980
that you can kind of bring your own conclusions too, when you

729
00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:31.920
watch it, I think the problem with some of those other instances

730
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.160
of politics that come to the program a bit later, the thin ice and

731
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:40.019
oxygen, there is so heavy handed, it is so heavy handed.

732
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:40.980
It's pathetic.

733
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:46.019
It's much better to just kind of do a gentle thing and gentle...

734
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.180
Isn't your favourite story of the dream death?

735
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:49.440
Yeah, exactly.

736
00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:50.759
No, but it's not.

737
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.220
It's handled with more subtlety.

738
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:55.319
The whole point of it, you're supposed to tell it through

739
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:57.599
allegories and through through parallels and so on like that.

740
00:33:57.660 --> 00:33:59.640
And I think that's what you can be doing in something like this

741
00:33:59.640 --> 00:33:59.819
one.

742
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:03.420
I think I'm quite happy that this episode is not actually about

743
00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:06.119
anything other than just trying to do a good keeper.

744
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.559
I like that.

745
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:09.179
Yeah, yeah.

746
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:09.599
Yeah.

747
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:11.280
But I still needed more twists at the end.

748
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:12.840
Or still something. just needed more.

749
00:34:12.900 --> 00:34:14.639
Yeah, I mean, it's still Stephen Thompson.

750
00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:16.860
And like I was saying about those earlier episodes, which was just

751
00:34:16.860 --> 00:34:18.300
one premise, which was undeveloped.

752
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.059
This is one premise which is partially developed.

753
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:21.539
Yeah.

754
00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:22.079
Yeah.

755
00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:22.679
Yeah.

756
00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:25.019
Going back to Kelly Hall's performance, though.

757
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.659
I mean, there is a, it's nice that there's a meaningful difference

758
00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:30.719
between her. and her is the underling.

759
00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:34.139
And in fact, the Calibraxus performance does feel like she's

760
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:37.500
playing a bit more of a real person, whereas the assistant does

761
00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:39.480
seem like I was thinking, oh, she's very cardboard.

762
00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:40.980
Well, she's cardboard because she's a client.

763
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:42.000
So that does work.

764
00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:45.719
But I am sort of sick of these cartoony characters.

765
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:49.260
You know, the women all dressed up with the sort of severe hair

766
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.019
and the big glasses and walking also precisely.

767
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.059
It is all quite one dimensional.

768
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.360
Well, yeah, and I think they're kind of accusing the counterfeit

769
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:02.820
guy of being naughty and, you know, going down to feed the tailor

770
00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:07.380
like, the chief caretaker going downstairs and feeding Cryagnon.

771
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.500
Like all of that stuff seems a little bit played.

772
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.179
Exactly at this point.

773
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:13.380
That's the word for it.

774
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.320
I want to see, I want to see reasons for the villainy.

775
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:18.480
I don't want to see just cardboard villainies.

776
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:18.960
Yeah.

777
00:35:19.019 --> 00:35:22.139
Whereas actually Carobraxos performance where she's actually

778
00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:23.699
really quite into it.

779
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:27.719
Like it seems to be a much, much more natural performance. and she

780
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:28.860
seems much more charming.

781
00:35:29.099 --> 00:35:30.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

782
00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:31.380
That's what you want.

783
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:32.039
Yeah, exactly.

784
00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:34.079
And that's natural just knocked up a bit.

785
00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:34.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

786
00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:35.280
Yeah.

787
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:43.920
We haven't talked about the hardware going into this sort of the

788
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.860
retro hardware going into size head.

789
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:48.420
Oh, my God, a lot of USPA.

790
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:51.179
Yes, he used the AI for it. which is great.

791
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.599
I mean, I know it should all be Wi-Fi or something, but it does

792
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.000
make it so much more, you know, gritty, doesn't it?

793
00:35:57.059 --> 00:36:00.840
It looks like at one point he's upgrading his max memory

794
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:01.559
capacity.

795
00:36:01.619 --> 00:36:02.579
Yeah, yeah.

796
00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:04.019
I've done that actually.

797
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.380
That's a... no, no.

798
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.920
Yeah, I mean, all of that stuff is sort of terribly cute, I

799
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:11.039
think.

800
00:36:11.099 --> 00:36:15.539
Yeah, it's very retro traditional elements of this story.

801
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.539
So all of that's quite fun, but also in the mounting of it, which

802
00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:19.079
is pretty good.

803
00:36:19.139 --> 00:36:22.500
You have that hoary old Blake 7 thing of we're on a different

804
00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:24.000
level because it's a different colour.

805
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.460
I really like.

806
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:31.320
There's not a great big kind of 7 behind little sinks, you know

807
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:32.400
being on what level they're going to.

808
00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:35.460
I was just expecting Gan to die any minute.

809
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:36.360
Yeah, yeah.

810
00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:38.219
Surfland was going to slap Travis.

811
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.820
I paid good money to see Cy on that jungle gym.

812
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:48.059
So I actually think that that part of the episode is visually a

813
00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:48.659
bit dull.

814
00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:54.840
So we've had the sort of very impressive lobby upstairs and even

815
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:59.940
that sort of room that you go into to get your case delivered is

816
00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:01.800
actually sort of quite nice or whatever.

817
00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:06.480
But then I was just getting very sort of 90s red dwarf vibes, you

818
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.019
know, and we're in a factory with various gels and stuff.

819
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.199
It's all shot in the same place that 42 was shot.

820
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.800
Yeah, yeah, the underworld of smile.

821
00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:19.500
Yeah, it's just pipes with a bit of dry ice.

822
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.980
It's like a classic series story where, you know, all the big

823
00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:25.739
location filming and stuff is all in episode one and then there's

824
00:37:25.739 --> 00:37:26.519
been an episode two.

825
00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:28.619
The time you get to episode three, they're just in the 3 sets in

826
00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:29.159
the studio.

827
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.440
Most of this is filmed in an ex-electronics factory.

828
00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:34.920
Okay.

829
00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:36.900
Maybe that's where they got all the tech for science.

830
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.000
Yeah, I just found it lying around the ground.

831
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:40.800
Ooh, we can make a great costume out of these.

832
00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:41.219
Exactly.

833
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:46.079
Yeah, so I think that that's a little bit tedious and a bit cheap

834
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.099
looking, I think.

835
00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:49.380
You've got the same.

836
00:37:49.380 --> 00:37:49.920
Generic.

837
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:50.400
Yeah.

838
00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:54.239
Whereas, I think that the, like once we go into the vault and we

839
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:58.440
start getting the goodies for Si and Sabre, you know, in the, in

840
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:02.219
the things, that looks really great, you know, and then where we

841
00:38:02.219 --> 00:38:04.440
finally meet Mrs. Carabraxos is pretty great.

842
00:38:04.500 --> 00:38:08.639
I don't know whether the word is lazy or unimaginative, but it's

843
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.980
one of those 2 things, which is why I think we end up with the

844
00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:13.739
that in between part being so...

845
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.380
And it's just the gels as well.

846
00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:19.380
Super 90s, isn't it?

847
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:21.659
Yeah, it is, we have a boring set.

848
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.599
Let's try and make it look more interesting by making everything

849
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:25.019
yellow.

850
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.360
And you don't really get a sense of place.

851
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:28.980
You don't get any sense of where you are.

852
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:33.420
And I think that's the failing of the direction there is that, say

853
00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:37.320
in pressure point in Blake 7, at least you, it's supposed to be

854
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.260
and that, I'm not saying that's great, by any means, but it is

855
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:42.360
it's supposed to, it's Blake 7.

856
00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:42.960
Of course it's good.

857
00:38:43.019 --> 00:38:46.440
But at least that's showing the descent through different levels

858
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:47.639
through the colour.

859
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.599
In this, there's like, it's that sense of place is lost.

860
00:38:51.659 --> 00:38:53.699
There's no indication that these are different levels.

861
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.480
They're just different coloured corridors, possibly on the same

862
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.639
floor, possibly flaws away from each other.

863
00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:01.320
You don't really know what's going on.

864
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:02.039
It's a mess.

865
00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:04.980
No, there's no sense of where you are within the complex.

866
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.320
And even the script does that.

867
00:39:07.380 --> 00:39:09.599
Let's split up for space reason.

868
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.280
That's the title of the episode.

869
00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:16.800
Which is good.

870
00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:18.900
I mean, we weren't missing a line to lampshader.

871
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.320
You needed Ms. Dell Fox to say something like guards to red level

872
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:23.639
guards to red level.

873
00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:24.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

874
00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:27.179
Actually, what's missing is a crappy model shot where the camera

875
00:39:27.179 --> 00:39:29.340
pans down to the next bit or something.

876
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.139
It's like a revelation of the Darl.

877
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:32.159
Yes, yes, yes.

878
00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:34.800
Well, given that he's doing those sorts of wipes and strange

879
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.639
things to go in between scenes because he's being Guy Ritchie.

880
00:39:38.699 --> 00:39:42.059
That would have worked actually quite well if we went down and saw

881
00:39:42.059 --> 00:39:42.780
them on another floor.

882
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.300
Yeah, then you could have had that sort of little caption. do not

883
00:39:45.300 --> 00:39:46.019
adjust just set.

884
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:49.320
All we needed was a voiceover going, Tarkis.

885
00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:54.000
I mean, I do really like it.

886
00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:57.539
I think we are being quite negative at this moment, but I am

887
00:39:57.539 --> 00:39:58.739
thoroughly entertained by it.

888
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.960
I think there's a lot.

889
00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:03.659
Well, no, we are talking more negatively than positively just

890
00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:06.480
because, you know, we're picking up on those floors that because

891
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:07.980
we want it to be better.

892
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.579
I think too, in the context of the season.

893
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:16.619
Like last week, we've been really kind of astoundingly

894
00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:17.820
experimental.

895
00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:23.940
And this week being so Trad is that, well, maybe it's not Trad.

896
00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:24.840
It's not really Trad.

897
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:27.000
It's quite, the program's never done this.

898
00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:28.199
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

899
00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:31.980
And it's not just the show's never done a heist, even though it

900
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:32.519
hasn't.

901
00:40:32.579 --> 00:40:36.000
It hasn't done the thing where we wake up having lost our memory

902
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.280
and we have to work out what's happening.

903
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:41.940
Well, it comes in horror kind of uses the same sorts of parts in a

904
00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:42.300
way.

905
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.860
So we have, in the 45 minute era, we have kind of trial these

906
00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:51.000
sorts of how do we get to into the story quickly methods.

907
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:55.739
At other times, it's devices which I find become very tiring, like

908
00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:58.260
you know, using things like the psychic paper and so on to get

909
00:40:58.260 --> 00:41:02.159
through doors and get to make sure episode one is only actually

910
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:03.900
the 1st 2 minutes of the episode.

911
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.679
Yeah, the doctor doesn't use the psychic paper too. very

912
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:08.039
refreshing.

913
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:09.659
He uses his eyebrows, doesn't he?

914
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:11.699
to immediately command their respect.

915
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.519
Yes, and there's actually very little Sonic screwdriver magic

916
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:14.820
wand.

917
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:18.960
Yeah, yeah. as well, which makes it feel feel like it's a bit

918
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:19.139
different.

919
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:21.659
No, I'm all for doing different things like this.

920
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.380
Yeah, and I think it might be a mistake to try to overlay more on

921
00:41:25.380 --> 00:41:26.460
this episode than is there.

922
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:30.000
I think it just sets out to be an action. to be what it is.

923
00:41:30.059 --> 00:41:32.219
Yeah, and we should appreciate a lot.

924
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:32.519
I do.

925
00:41:32.579 --> 00:41:33.119
Yeah, yeah.

926
00:41:33.179 --> 00:41:33.659
Yeah, absolutely.

927
00:41:43.139 --> 00:41:46.320
I mean, are we enjoying the thing which kind of started in the

928
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:48.840
Matt Smith era, where the companions aren't actually travelling

929
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:49.320
with the doctor.

930
00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:51.840
The companions are people that the doctor just goes and picks up

931
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:53.340
to then do this week's episode.

932
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.619
I actually really, really like that.

933
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:57.780
I think it will come into its own next week.

934
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:02.099
I think the opening sequence of next week is that done just

935
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:03.539
spectacularly.

936
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:04.440
It was like the power of three.

937
00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:05.400
Yeah, yeah.

938
00:42:05.460 --> 00:42:09.420
But I do kind of like that, and particularly since we've gone back

939
00:42:09.420 --> 00:42:13.440
to the conception of the doctor as the crazy old man who gets you

940
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:14.639
into scrapes.

941
00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:16.500
I think that works really well.

942
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:22.139
He just turns up at an inconvenient time like Uncle Arthur. causes

943
00:42:22.139 --> 00:42:23.280
mayhem and then leaves.

944
00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:25.440
Yes, it's the Rick and Morty concern.

945
00:42:25.500 --> 00:42:25.980
Yeah.

946
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:29.639
But also, it's taking you back to sort of the unit era where you

947
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.300
got the idea that Joe and Sarah had home lives and professional

948
00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:35.460
lives and weren't actually with the doctor every moment.

949
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.219
They'd have days or weeks, but they just come in and do their job

950
00:42:38.219 --> 00:42:40.260
before the doctor spirited them away to.

951
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:42.420
Yes, but the doctor was there...

952
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.420
Yeah, but the difference is the doctor was there too. in the Joe

953
00:42:45.420 --> 00:42:46.380
Granty or at least.

954
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.320
Well, he wasn't there when Sarah was selling it to Percy, you

955
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:49.500
know?

956
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:51.900
No, she had a life.

957
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:53.159
She was doing that's true.

958
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:53.880
That is true, actually.

959
00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:56.219
No, it's that beginning of Planet of the Spiders, actually, which

960
00:42:56.219 --> 00:42:56.880
is...

961
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:58.800
But the doctor is at unit HQ.

962
00:42:58.860 --> 00:43:00.719
The doctor is in the offworld at this time.

963
00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:03.840
That's, I think, the difference that we're experiencing here.

964
00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:04.860
But I like, I like the change.

965
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:05.460
I don't mind it.

966
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.460
I don't want it to go on forever, but it's a nice difference.

967
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:10.980
And like the calories, you know, the calories you consume with

968
00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:12.119
guitar, just don't count.

969
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.420
Well, in fact, last week couldn't have happened without that

970
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:18.420
because, you know, last week we see the doctor going kind of crazy

971
00:43:18.420 --> 00:43:23.940
because Clara's not around and sort of having to go and fetch her

972
00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:27.599
in order to kind of participate in his mad nonsense.

973
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.179
But it only works as well because the doctor can operate the

974
00:43:30.179 --> 00:43:31.019
charters perfectly.

975
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:32.579
Yeah, which most of the time.

976
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.320
Yeah, which is now the show.

977
00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:35.460
Which is out of the show.

978
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:35.699
Yeah.

979
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.800
He doesn't just, you know, I can take you anywhere you went. where

980
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:38.280
do you want to go?

981
00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:41.219
And it's never like, oh, sorry, I missed Heathrow Airport by 300

982
00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:42.300
years.

983
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:45.000
Yeah, sometimes that, but not very often.

984
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:46.320
Yeah, not very often.

985
00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:47.820
Only when the plot requires it.

986
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:48.119
Exactly.

987
00:43:48.179 --> 00:43:51.300
Well, but usually there's actually an excuse as to why, like

988
00:43:51.300 --> 00:43:54.179
there's some temporal disturbance with why the TARDIS has been

989
00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:55.800
thrown off course, blah, blah, blah, isn't there?

990
00:43:55.860 --> 00:43:58.260
Sure, that's just because she wants to take him there this week.

991
00:43:58.320 --> 00:43:58.800
Exactly.

992
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:02.820
Well, isn't that what they use in the... in this episode where, oh

993
00:44:02.820 --> 00:44:04.860
no, we can't use the TARDIS because of the solar storm or

994
00:44:04.860 --> 00:44:05.039
whatever.

995
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:06.000
Okay, thank you.

996
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:07.619
In fact, that works really well.

997
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:11.280
I was surprised by how well the plot fits together because I'm

998
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:16.440
still there going, but can this be right, given what we know?

999
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:19.800
And then we see the doctor who obviously has the Tartars because

1000
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:24.000
we don't have the storm. and sets it all up. before the storm

1001
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:24.480
happens.

1002
00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:26.519
Yeah, after they do the heist.

1003
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:28.320
Yeah, it's all quite new.

1004
00:44:28.380 --> 00:44:32.039
The storm being the thing that causes the plot to work.

1005
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:33.900
That's a clever plot beat.

1006
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.539
Well, they Lucille, that's all we have time for this week.

1007
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.539
We'll be back next week for television's most upsetting love

1008
00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:05.219
triangle in the Caretaker.

1009
00:45:05.340 --> 00:45:09.000
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1010
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.300
and you can keep up with us on our website, Flightthroughentirety

1011
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:15.179
com, where you'll find links to our accounts on Facebook, Twitter

1012
00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:18.780
and Mastodon, as well as links to our other podcast, Bondfinger

1013
00:45:18.780 --> 00:45:22.739
Jody Intetera, Maximum Power, and Untitled Star Trek Project.

1014
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:28.199
Until next time, remember that hatred is just self-hatred directed

1015
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.900
at other people, which is much more fun, really.

1016
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.300
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1017
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:34.440
Good night.

1018
00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:35.219
Good night.

1019
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:36.599
See you soon.

1020
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.659
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter

1021
00:45:45.659 --> 00:45:47.519
Griffith, Simon Moore, and James Selwood.

1022
00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:49.800
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

1023
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:53.340
This episode, Mr. and Mrs. Teller, was recorded on the 8th of

1024
00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:56.400
January 2023 and released on the 14th of May.

1025
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.980
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1026
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1028
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1029
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1030
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gravel.

1031
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:22.199
Why is there so little to say about?

1032
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:24.179
There's nothing to it, really.

1033
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:25.199
Because it's just a high speed.

1034
00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:27.059
Yeah, it doesn't have many pretensions.

1035
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.320
And, you know, like even the ongoing saga of what's the doctor

1036
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:31.920
like?

1037
00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:35.280
We haven't seem to be having a break from that this week as well.

1038
00:46:35.340 --> 00:46:38.579
It's thin, but in a good way, like Cassandra.

1039
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:42.659
Yeah.

1040
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:43.559
Yeah.

1041
00:46:43.619 --> 00:46:45.840
I mean, I don't know.

1042
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:51.179
We haven't recorded, uh, listen yet, and I think listen is much

1043
00:46:51.179 --> 00:46:51.539
better.

1044
00:46:51.539 --> 00:46:52.320
Far out.

1045
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:52.800
It's good.

1046
00:46:52.860 --> 00:46:54.420
It's a bit trippy, listen.

1047
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:56.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1048
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:57.599
It's like a short story.

1049
00:46:57.659 --> 00:46:58.980
It's not like a Doctor Who episode.

1050
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.260
It's more of the sort of thing that I want.

1051
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.440
It's like, no, no, don't just do a four-part episode crammed into

1052
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:05.460
a thing, do a 40.

1053
00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:06.179
Well, exactly.

1054
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:07.079
TV show.

1055
00:47:07.139 --> 00:47:09.900
And that's what you get in in listening in this.

1056
00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:12.360
And in something like into Darlic as well.

1057
00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:14.159
Use the length and structure to tell.

1058
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.340
To tell the right story, the right length, with the right plot

1059
00:47:17.340 --> 00:47:17.820
beats.

1060
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:22.559
But part of me wonders if the fact that you get very slightly

1061
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.639
generic stories like this is a reaction to the fact that as Moffat

1062
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.639
goes on, he becomes more experimental in his own storytelling.

1063
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:31.860
So you get episodes like this, and you'll get something like

1064
00:47:31.860 --> 00:47:37.199
heaven sent. next year and even that final two-parter in series 10

1065
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.599
world and oftentimes when the doctor falls.

1066
00:47:39.659 --> 00:47:42.840
And so it's almost like you can't have world enough and time in

1067
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.420
the doctor falls if you don't have the Empress of Mars before it

1068
00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:51.300
listens impact is heightened by the fact that you then return to

1069
00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:52.559
familiar territory.

1070
00:47:52.619 --> 00:47:53.880
On both sides of it.

1071
00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:55.739
They're fairly straightforward stories.

1072
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:56.820
Yeah, yeah.

1073
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:58.019
Yeah.

1074
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.679
Yeah, I was surprised by how impressed by that I was because I

1075
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.199
hadn't even chosen to go back and rewatch it.

1076
00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:04.679
Listen.

1077
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:05.340
Yeah, yeah.

1078
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.260
No, I remember loving it at the time.

1079
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:08.699
It's not the bit.

1080
00:48:08.699 --> 00:48:11.760
It's not as good as, you know, some of the other comparable

1081
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.159
episodes, whether it's, you know, the doctor's wife or blink or

1082
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:15.840
the girl in the fireplace.

1083
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.739
It's not as quite up to that level, but it is very, very good.

1084
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:24.239
That scene where like she's trying to have the 2nd go at her date

1085
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:27.480
and an astronaut walks into the...

1086
00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:28.019
Yes, yes.

1087
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.440
What's happening here?

1088
00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:34.980
There was just one thing that was really missing from this.

1089
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.760
I really needed a, this message for self-destruct in 5 seconds.

1090
00:48:38.820 --> 00:48:39.900
I mean, I did realise it.

1091
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:40.679
You're right.

1092
00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:41.099
You're right.

1093
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.280
Well, that's more kind of get smart than Mission Impossible.

1094
00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:45.719
It's more mission impossible than nations.

1095
00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:46.559
That's true.

1096
00:48:46.619 --> 00:48:48.239
There's more mission improbable.

1097
00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:50.699
That's good name from Emerson.

1098
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.860
All right, I think we done.

1099
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:53.519
What do you think?

1100
00:48:53.579 --> 00:48:55.679
I think that we have an hour at some point, I think.