WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 14:00:38 1 00:00:40.619 --> 00:00:45.240 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight to Entirety, the 2 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:48.359 only Doctor Who podcast you sneak out to listen to in private 3 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:51.299 during dinner dates with your attractive new boyfriend. 4 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:53.100 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:54.060 I'm James. 6 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:55.200 Pete. 7 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:56.280 I'm Hannah. 8 00:00:56.340 --> 00:01:00.840 Well, it sort of paid off 3 years ago and it kind of paid off the 9 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:01.560 year after that. 10 00:01:01.619 --> 00:01:02.939 And so here we are again. 11 00:01:03.060 --> 00:01:06.420 The doctor's doing his best to save the world while hiding from 12 00:01:06.420 --> 00:01:09.180 everyone around him, the fact that he's really the star of a 13 00:01:09.180 --> 00:01:11.579 science fiction TV show from the 1960s. 14 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:13.620 Will it pay off this time? 15 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:17.400 Let's find out as we discuss the caretaker. 16 00:01:44.459 --> 00:01:49.739 I want to start with things that are a bit less controversial or a 17 00:01:49.739 --> 00:01:51.719 little bit less heavy, this episode. 18 00:01:51.780 --> 00:01:56.760 So, Hannah, I'm going to ask you, what did you think of the Skovox 19 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:57.359 blitzer? 20 00:01:57.540 --> 00:01:59.939 I wish it was more threatening. 21 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.840 I think visually, I quite like him. 22 00:02:03.900 --> 00:02:08.639 The look of it, I like the sort of doctor's method of lowering it 23 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:13.620 in and I like seeing it blown up because I like seeing stuff blown 24 00:02:13.620 --> 00:02:13.919 up. 25 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:19.439 But I sort of kept questioning the fact of why hasn't it had a bit 26 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:20.159 more buildup. 27 00:02:20.219 --> 00:02:24.240 It's the part of the episode that sort of takes a backseat and 28 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.060 feels like it needed fleshing out more. 29 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.300 We only see one person get killed by it. 30 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.520 Well, we don't actually even see them killed. really, do we? 31 00:02:32.580 --> 00:02:36.300 And I kept feeling like those opportunities to get rid of people 32 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:39.599 kill some of the kids off, say there's been kids gone missing. 33 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:44.039 Or if you're a bit squeamish about murdering some children. 34 00:02:44.099 --> 00:02:45.780 Um, teachers. 35 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:50.280 The previous caretaker felt like when we could have a really 36 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:51.479 obvious one to get rid of. 37 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:57.539 So, I wanted more from it. and um, also, why now? 38 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:00.060 Why is it a threat just right at this moment? 39 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.500 Yeah, I wanted a bit more from it to for it to be a bit more 40 00:03:04.500 --> 00:03:05.819 intimidating. 41 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:11.099 I was getting vibes of the big robot at the beginning of Blake 7 42 00:03:11.099 --> 00:03:12.300 like in series one. 43 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:13.439 Yeah. 44 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.639 But I also think there's a real kind of mechanoid thing going on 45 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.400 there in that it's like big and round. 46 00:03:20.460 --> 00:03:23.819 It's sort of too big to comfortably get through doors or be in 47 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:24.419 spaces. 48 00:03:24.419 --> 00:03:28.500 And then it keeps narrating what it's doing, but including sort of 49 00:03:28.500 --> 00:03:30.900 random numbers and stuff in there all the time. 50 00:03:31.860 --> 00:03:35.759 And it does sound like the sort of thing that Gareth Roberts might 51 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:36.240 go for. 52 00:03:36.300 --> 00:03:38.219 It's very retro. 53 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.379 And it has got a name that sounds like a cold sore ointment. 54 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:41.819 That's the main thing that I just count. 55 00:03:42.659 --> 00:03:45.599 I would just see that being marketed in chemists up and down. 56 00:03:46.020 --> 00:03:49.919 But it's almost like it's almost defying you to say, this 57 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:51.780 obviously isn't really an episode about this. 58 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.939 This is a romantic comedy episode. 59 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:55.500 Yeah, here's a monster. fine, there you go. 60 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.860 Like the absorbel of in Love and Monsters actually turned out to 61 00:03:58.860 --> 00:04:00.000 be have a much bigger role. 62 00:04:00.060 --> 00:04:03.120 There were layers to that, whereas in this, it's much more like 63 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:03.360 this. 64 00:04:03.419 --> 00:04:06.840 This is the comedy episode about, well, we'll talk about what it's 65 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:06.960 about. 66 00:04:07.020 --> 00:04:08.400 What is it really about? 67 00:04:08.460 --> 00:04:13.740 It feels like it is a, you know, sitcom, rom-com, and then they've 68 00:04:13.740 --> 00:04:16.379 gone, oh, wait, we've got to make it a Doctor Who episode and put 69 00:04:16.379 --> 00:04:17.339 some sci-fi in. 70 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.399 Yeah, I wonder which direction the script went in to get there 71 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.459 because I understand this is one of those where the and between 72 00:04:23.459 --> 00:04:25.980 the 2 scriptwriters' names is pretty much an argument. 73 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.279 It feels like you're watching a script, but there was an argument 74 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:30.779 between 2 different writers who are pulling in. 75 00:04:30.899 --> 00:04:34.800 I suspect Roberts tends to write these very comical episodes. 76 00:04:34.860 --> 00:04:38.399 Moffatt was really wanted to go into the darkness of the doctor's 77 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.100 character and relationships and things and maybe that's how it 78 00:04:41.100 --> 00:04:43.019 ended up sort of having the shape that it did. 79 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:47.100 It's definitely one where I'd like to soon like how the multiple 80 00:04:47.100 --> 00:04:48.000 drafts developed. 81 00:04:48.060 --> 00:04:52.139 I get the impression that Moffatt's giving himself co-writing 82 00:04:52.139 --> 00:04:55.319 credits all the way through this year because he's offered writing 83 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.779 the romantic comedy subplot. 84 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:02.759 So, you know, which is definitely there in something like into the 85 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.939 dalek, well, very much there, and you can see which things Phil 86 00:05:05.939 --> 00:05:08.879 Ford has written and which things Moffat has written here because 87 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:12.060 it's largely about those central relationships. 88 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:16.980 I think there is some tension between the 2 approaches. 89 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:22.620 And I do think that the Skovox Blitzer does tap into a theme that 90 00:05:22.620 --> 00:05:24.300 we've had all year about soldiers. 91 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:26.579 So it's something that's awaiting orders. 92 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:27.600 It's a killing machine. 93 00:05:27.660 --> 00:05:30.360 It's, you know, like a super soldier. 94 00:05:30.420 --> 00:05:35.579 Here we have a big dumb robot soldier, and that exemplifies all of 95 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:39.180 the things that the doctor's been saying about soldiers all 96 00:05:39.180 --> 00:05:39.839 season. 97 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:46.199 And he defeats it by tricking it into believing that he's its 98 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:50.759 commanding officer, which is exactly the thing that Danny accused 99 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:55.019 him of being in their fight in the TARDIS earlier. 100 00:05:55.079 --> 00:06:00.540 So I think it is trying to have some thematic link to the main 101 00:06:00.540 --> 00:06:01.259 plot. 102 00:06:01.379 --> 00:06:05.819 It kills that guy who's called Matthew, I think, in the credits. 103 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:11.459 And you see his hand, like this charred hand fall into shock. 104 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:16.620 Like, a charred arm with detached from the body. 105 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:18.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 106 00:06:18.660 --> 00:06:22.560 Oh, yeah, yeah, it's not like it's just the hand. kind of 107 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:22.920 forearm. 108 00:06:22.980 --> 00:06:23.759 Just the forearm. 109 00:06:23.819 --> 00:06:25.079 Yeah, yeah, it's pretty brutal. 110 00:06:25.139 --> 00:06:28.139 What does it make Danny pink a dentist or a florist? 111 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:32.519 That could have just as easily come with that as the thing. could 112 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:33.540 have been more comic potential in that. 113 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.839 We've talked a little bit about this in previous episodes because 114 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:37.980 it's come up all year. 115 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:42.540 Suddenly the doctor comes along and he doesn't like soldiers and 116 00:06:42.540 --> 00:06:44.939 that's not out of nowhere. 117 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.939 Like, that is a sort of plausible character trait. 118 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.939 And you know, each new doctor has different character traits, but 119 00:06:50.939 --> 00:06:52.319 they run this so hard. 120 00:06:53.100 --> 00:06:56.579 Yeah, and like, and obviously the thing people will say is, but 121 00:06:56.579 --> 00:06:59.579 yeah, he was friends with unit and everything, but he wasn't at 122 00:06:59.579 --> 00:06:59.939 the start. 123 00:07:00.540 --> 00:07:04.620 End of episode 7, Silurians, Doctor, is not, is not best pals with 124 00:07:04.620 --> 00:07:05.040 the bigger. 125 00:07:05.100 --> 00:07:07.500 So it's not a place that the doctor could never go to, but it does 126 00:07:07.500 --> 00:07:10.680 just land with a massive flood at the beginning of this era. 127 00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:12.120 Your face just keeps me. 128 00:07:12.180 --> 00:07:12.899 I don't like soldiers. 129 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:15.600 I don't like soldiers and it's like, yes, you said that. go 130 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:16.139 somewhere with it. 131 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.779 Well, I was just casting my mind back to them and remembering that 132 00:07:21.779 --> 00:07:25.019 that was a period in Britain where the whole, are you wearing a 133 00:07:25.019 --> 00:07:29.939 poppy, the whole post, but we want post, mid-Iraq wall, the post 134 00:07:29.459 --> 00:07:34.139 beginning of the Iraq war, um, thing was was putting the country's 135 00:07:34.139 --> 00:07:38.399 relationship with its military into a sort of new mode, and it was 136 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:40.500 like, is this trying to comment on that? 137 00:07:40.500 --> 00:07:43.259 Are we becoming more American in the way that we treat our 138 00:07:43.259 --> 00:07:45.360 military and is Doctor Who trying to engage with that, but then 139 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:47.279 the way it ends up being resolved at the end of the season? 140 00:07:47.339 --> 00:07:50.579 Is it that the doctor has learnt to not be nasty to soldiers? 141 00:07:50.579 --> 00:07:54.180 Or, and so I, I don't know if it's got a, it doesn't. 142 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:55.019 Yeah, I'm not sure. 143 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:56.220 I don't know why they're doing it. 144 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:59.100 Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't seem to work. 145 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:00.720 It seems confused. 146 00:08:00.779 --> 00:08:06.480 And like, I don't think it can possibly be on the doctor's side 147 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:11.579 because the doctor is so kind of nasty whenever he's doing it. 148 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:15.779 And I think, you know, refusing to take Journey Blue on board the 149 00:08:15.779 --> 00:08:18.120 TARDIS at the end of Into the Dalek. 150 00:08:18.180 --> 00:08:21.540 It seems really unpleasant and unreasonable. 151 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:25.620 And it just seems to be there to set up this conflict between 152 00:08:25.620 --> 00:08:27.120 Danny and the doctor. 153 00:08:27.180 --> 00:08:31.920 Do you think that's hanging a lantern on the fact that at the end 154 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:36.179 of the season spoilers, Missy turns up with the whole army for 155 00:08:36.179 --> 00:08:36.360 him? 156 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:40.500 Oh, I think that that's why that happens, you know, because that's 157 00:08:40.500 --> 00:08:42.299 playing into that thing. 158 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:46.919 And here we already get the sort of accusation from Danny that the 159 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.399 doctor doesn't like soldiers, but he's the sort of person who 160 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.960 orders soldiers to go and shoot people, like he's the person who 161 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.700 lights the fire. 162 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:57.899 Yeah. 163 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:01.620 So there is that, but I just think it's sort of confused and it 164 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:05.879 just makes the doctor seem unreasonably awful. 165 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:13.259 I feel like it needed more nuance because If you look back 166 00:09:13.259 --> 00:09:16.860 arguably the doctor has acted as a soldier in the past. 167 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:21.059 But I feel the distinction you would want to make there is that 168 00:09:21.059 --> 00:09:27.720 he's more or less been a reluctant soldier rather than one by 169 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.059 choice, which he looks upon someone like Danny. 170 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:35.460 And I'm just looking ahead to, when you're mentioning the Scobox 171 00:09:35.460 --> 00:09:39.480 split, it made me think of the mummy on the Orient Express, who is 172 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:43.139 a kind of reluctant soldier who has been stuck in this role for 173 00:09:43.139 --> 00:09:48.179 centuries and is just waiting to be told that the sort of war ends 174 00:09:48.179 --> 00:09:54.480 um, Discover split is ends because of it, hearing its leader, that 175 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:57.779 ends because it's his from its enemy that they surrender. 176 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:02.340 There's a theme running through the season with that, but it's not 177 00:10:02.340 --> 00:10:06.360 necessarily coming across in the most nuanced way. 178 00:10:06.419 --> 00:10:10.440 Yeah, I think that the show doesn't know what it's trying to say 179 00:10:10.500 --> 00:10:11.279 here. 180 00:10:11.340 --> 00:10:14.940 And I wonder if it's trying to say anything. 181 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.360 You know, this is the episode where a roundabout midway through 182 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.299 the season and we're setting up this conflict between the doctor 183 00:10:21.299 --> 00:10:22.019 and Danny. 184 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:23.039 They meet for the 1st time. 185 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:26.220 You know, it's a big revelation and they don't like one another. 186 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.740 And Moffatt's given the doctor a reason not to like him because 187 00:10:31.740 --> 00:10:33.659 he's a soldier. 188 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:38.220 And I think we reject that reason, and Danny's the one who calls 189 00:10:38.220 --> 00:10:42.480 attention to the idea that the doctor doesn't like Danny because 190 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:46.080 he fears he won't be good enough for Clara. 191 00:10:46.139 --> 00:10:51.179 But it just seems like a lot of work and a lot of trouble to get 192 00:10:51.179 --> 00:10:55.259 this episode to work and I just wonder whether it works at all. 193 00:10:55.740 --> 00:10:59.220 Yeah, sometimes it just feels like they watched the 1st episode of 194 00:10:59.220 --> 00:11:01.620 Twin Dilemma and decided what it really needed was to be extended 195 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:06.480 for 12 weeks and and like have this season, has this archive, does 196 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.700 Clara even want to travel with this horrible man anymore? 197 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:11.100 And I'd always spent 12 weeks finding that out. 198 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:15.299 You know, it's an interesting place to go to, but to just stay in 199 00:11:15.299 --> 00:11:18.960 that place rather than travelling through it fairly briskly and 200 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:19.860 getting on with things. 201 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:22.980 And then the series that when we come to her her story comes to 202 00:11:22.980 --> 00:11:24.899 that conclusion whether she has that perfect leaving scene and 203 00:11:24.899 --> 00:11:26.399 then decides to stay for another year anyway. 204 00:11:26.460 --> 00:11:29.879 So that back projects onto this episode, the fact that they're 205 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.399 banned, and the doctor is, the doctor is so horrible to her. 206 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:36.600 Sometimes, and it's always for a punchline, and, and, but their 207 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:37.799 punch lines at the same level. 208 00:11:37.860 --> 00:11:40.679 It's not like a comedy that has a really big laugh, and then you 209 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:43.740 rain back a bit, and then another, it's just like, snip, snip, snip 210 00:11:43.740 --> 00:11:43.980 sn. 211 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:46.620 And some of them are, the joke's on, obviously, on him because 212 00:11:46.620 --> 00:11:49.320 he's, you know, the thing about, oh, he can't tell that she's 213 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:49.620 beautiful. 214 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.320 She's obviously beautiful, therefore when he sort of insults her 215 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:52.740 appearance. 216 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:54.480 It's funny because the joke's on him. 217 00:11:54.539 --> 00:11:55.440 Okay, we can take that. 218 00:11:55.500 --> 00:11:58.740 But then the bit where he pops up in the window for extremely 219 00:11:58.740 --> 00:12:00.840 small class of only 12 children, which... 220 00:12:01.019 --> 00:12:02.220 I counted about 14. 221 00:12:03.299 --> 00:12:07.080 Like, why is this not twice the size and overcrowded? 222 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:08.519 That's the real history. 223 00:12:08.580 --> 00:12:11.460 I could a lot of points I could pick apart about the realism of 224 00:12:11.460 --> 00:12:11.879 this school. 225 00:12:11.940 --> 00:12:18.120 You see, for me though, like, I'm a school teacher, and one of the 226 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:21.299 things that I like about this season is that it's said in a school 227 00:12:21.299 --> 00:12:25.860 and there are things that it gets right. 228 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:30.899 And we talked in our listen episode about the way that the 1st 229 00:12:30.899 --> 00:12:34.559 date between Danny and Clara only really starts to work when 230 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:38.399 they're telling war stories about Courtney and laughing and stuff 231 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.500 and that's what really breaks the ice. 232 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:41.879 And that seemed very real. 233 00:12:41.940 --> 00:12:47.340 And there are things here which I think work. 234 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.340 Like, you know, he started his career writing about kids in a 235 00:12:50.340 --> 00:12:52.500 school and he's sort of comfortable there. 236 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:58.500 And I think probably that's not a bad thing for him to go back 237 00:12:58.500 --> 00:12:59.580 to. 238 00:12:59.580 --> 00:13:04.919 And also I kind of like that Doctor Who is set somewhere again. 239 00:13:04.980 --> 00:13:09.539 We haven't had that for a while, and maybe not since the Russell T 240 00:13:09.539 --> 00:13:14.460 Davis era, has the show had such a close link to a particular time 241 00:13:14.460 --> 00:13:17.460 and place on Earth, and that's one of the things that I loved 242 00:13:17.460 --> 00:13:19.019 about the RTD era. 243 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:20.279 So I kind of like that here. 244 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.419 Despite my problems with this episode, I'd have quite happily seen 245 00:13:24.419 --> 00:13:28.440 us, like come back here and keep seeing the doctor carrying on as 246 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:31.919 a caretaker, you know, just taking over whenever the old guy's on 247 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.340 holiday and or sending him off again, just when there's something 248 00:13:35.340 --> 00:13:36.539 up going on near the school. 249 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.840 It does work quite nicely as a sitcom setting. 250 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.500 There's something actually quite nice next week, how he's just 251 00:13:43.500 --> 00:13:47.399 there in his normal magician's costume, you know, wandering around 252 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:50.220 the school with Clara for no readily apparent reason. 253 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.340 It's kind of like he's just sort of here all the time now. 254 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.019 I kind of, I kind of like that. 255 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:59.519 With the relationship between the doctor and Clara. 256 00:13:59.580 --> 00:14:02.700 Because those are so obviously sitcom punchlines and because 257 00:14:02.700 --> 00:14:05.820 Clara's never phased by them, like she just thinks it's an idiot 258 00:14:05.820 --> 00:14:09.299 she's not hurt or anything, it's not causing any harm. 259 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:14.159 I don't find those things quite as upsetting as whenever he does 260 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:19.919 it to other people and like the way he treats Danny, this episode 261 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:21.480 is so awful. 262 00:14:22.019 --> 00:14:25.559 I find that scene so awkward to watch. 263 00:14:25.620 --> 00:14:31.860 It's really horrible and even seeing the doctor sort of like the 264 00:14:31.860 --> 00:14:34.379 way he spoke to like Journey Blue similarly. 265 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.559 It's, We're only here for an episode. 266 00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:41.460 Clara can apologise, but she's doing an awful lot of apologising 267 00:14:41.460 --> 00:14:46.559 and it's not really acceptable when it's, I feel watching both 268 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:47.820 Danny and the doctor. 269 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:54.059 That scene where they're in the TARDIS and Danny's sort of milding 270 00:14:54.059 --> 00:14:55.139 off about him being a lord. 271 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:58.679 I look at them both and think neither of you know one another. 272 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:03.720 Why are you jumping to conclusions so much and instantly being so 273 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.279 harsh about one another? 274 00:15:05.340 --> 00:15:08.100 You're both as bad as one another here. 275 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:11.039 I think that's also the problem, isn't it? 276 00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:14.399 Because Danny's really pretty and like he was sort of adorably 277 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:16.919 awkward in the early episodes of the season. 278 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:21.000 And when he's shouting and stuff at the doctor, he just sort of 279 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:22.379 seems unpleasant. 280 00:15:22.500 --> 00:15:29.700 And then that scene after that where Danny kind of gets cross at 281 00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:34.320 Clara for not confiding in him about the doctor. 282 00:15:34.379 --> 00:15:37.259 That seemed a bit unreasonable as well. 283 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.100 Like there's a, there's, it's really sort of a standard moral 284 00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:44.700 principle that if you have a secret alien friend. 285 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:47.039 You really should tell the people you love about them. 286 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.580 Like, how, like, how is she to know what, you know, is there a 287 00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:50.879 rule? 288 00:15:50.940 --> 00:15:54.779 They're also, there's an implication here that they have been 289 00:15:54.779 --> 00:15:59.279 dating for about a year and a half because it's not said in 290 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:04.200 dialogue, but he is a new teacher, like at the beginning of the 291 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.139 season, he's just started working at the school with her. 292 00:16:07.139 --> 00:16:12.120 And then in this episode, there's a reference to, oh, last. 293 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.279 Courtney's last... 294 00:16:14.340 --> 00:16:19.799 Yeah, so like literally this, this is now said. a year or more 295 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:23.700 after Danny and Clara Ahmet. 296 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:24.840 So they've been dating a long time. 297 00:16:24.899 --> 00:16:27.600 She's been keeping this secret from him for a long time. 298 00:16:28.019 --> 00:16:31.980 I do think they need to be a bit more explicit about that length 299 00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:36.419 of time, though, because it's not, you know, within a Doctor Who M 300 00:16:36.419 --> 00:16:37.019 series. 301 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:40.440 We are thinking of it as being under a year and it does feel like 302 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:45.600 it's, they're still in that early whirlwind phase of romance, which 303 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:50.100 is why him overreacting, well, it seems like he's overreacting 304 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:51.600 that she's kept this secret for so long. 305 00:16:51.659 --> 00:16:55.860 But likewise her coming out suddenly and saying, oh, I love him 306 00:16:55.860 --> 00:16:57.240 feels like a bit. 307 00:16:57.299 --> 00:16:58.440 Oh, that's a bit soon. 308 00:16:58.500 --> 00:17:01.860 We, you know, you, it feels like there should be signs that you're 309 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:04.559 further along in this relationship, you know, maybe they're 310 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.140 talking about moving in together or something, but none of that's 311 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:07.319 there. 312 00:17:07.380 --> 00:17:09.960 Yeah, it's the pulling in 2 directions again, things. 313 00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:12.119 We're just getting to know each other jokes. 314 00:17:12.180 --> 00:17:15.059 So they've got to go in, even though the plot has to say, we know 315 00:17:15.059 --> 00:17:18.059 each other really well at the same time. it kind of stumbles. 316 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.400 I've been watching quite a lot Buffy the Vampire Slayer lately. 317 00:17:20.460 --> 00:17:21.420 And it suddenly struck me. 318 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:25.140 Danny Pink is Riley for a month from series 4 and must be the 319 00:17:25.140 --> 00:17:26.039 military boyfriend. 320 00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:29.099 He's very pretty too. 321 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:30.839 Very good, yeah. 322 00:17:31.019 --> 00:17:34.740 They don't have unpleasant character attributes in general. 323 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:39.660 But they collide with the story rather than flowing through it. 324 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:43.619 And, you know, we do get to see Capoli having great sparky 325 00:17:43.619 --> 00:17:47.039 interaction with a character who meets him at his own level and 326 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:50.759 and I think Courtney Woods is going to be a fantastic companion. 327 00:17:50.819 --> 00:17:52.619 I can't see how it's going to go wrong. 328 00:17:52.619 --> 00:17:56.039 Because when she's being as nasty to him as he is that she's the 329 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.859 only person who just talks to him in exactly the same way he talks 330 00:17:58.859 --> 00:18:02.279 to her and it really clicks. that one scene where she comes for 331 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:03.359 the for the blue role. 332 00:18:03.420 --> 00:18:06.480 Um, but, uh, particularly. especially that one scene. 333 00:18:06.539 --> 00:18:09.000 It's suddenly like, oh, these 2 are clicking. 334 00:18:09.059 --> 00:18:11.339 It just really stands out at me in a way that with the Clara 335 00:18:11.339 --> 00:18:11.700 stuff. 336 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:13.140 And yet the bit through the window. 337 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:16.200 That's the bit where when he's correcting her over a lesson. 338 00:18:16.259 --> 00:18:19.140 That's the bit where, oh, hang, no, he's not just getting confused 339 00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:20.220 about social mores. 340 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.039 He's deliberately choosing to humiliate her in front of a class by 341 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:24.960 telling her she's wrong while she's teaching them. 342 00:18:25.019 --> 00:18:27.660 That's not the same as saying I haven't noticed you put makeup 343 00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:27.900 on. 344 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:31.140 That's a nasty... him being a bastard. 345 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:31.619 Yeah. 346 00:18:31.619 --> 00:18:32.220 Yeah. 347 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:33.539 I like with Courtney. 348 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:37.019 It's nice to meet you disruptive influence. 349 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:42.900 And also just throw away and I may have a vacancy, but she loves 350 00:18:42.900 --> 00:18:43.980 to come apart. 351 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.119 Capaldi's reaction to her saying she's a disruptive influence is 352 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.299 just fantastic because of course the doctor's a disruptive 353 00:18:51.299 --> 00:18:53.519 influence and he's got to respect that. 354 00:18:53.579 --> 00:18:54.839 I think that's really quite sweet. 355 00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:56.220 And that is great. 356 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:58.380 And I also thought it was delightful. 357 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:02.339 It was just the doctor and Courtney and the TARDIS dropping the 358 00:19:02.339 --> 00:19:06.119 Scobox blitzer off at the end and that's sort of unexpected and 359 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:07.200 actually rather great. 360 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.680 I sort of like the fact that that tag scene clearly takes place 361 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:12.059 quite a bit later. 362 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:16.380 And I'm not a fan of children, Doctor Who. never was. 363 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:18.119 When I was a kid, I liked Dr. Hooks who didn't have annoying 364 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:18.720 children in it. 365 00:19:18.779 --> 00:19:22.259 And there's a lot of them in this era, but yeah, she makes me 366 00:19:22.259 --> 00:19:22.440 laugh. 367 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:23.400 I think she's good. 368 00:19:23.460 --> 00:19:26.400 And I think she'll do quite well next week too. she was great. 369 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:29.220 I actually like that she throws up in the TARDIS. 370 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.700 I think, yeah, why wouldn't you, someone occasionally get space 371 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:33.839 sickness, you know? 372 00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:35.160 Clearly not for everyone. 373 00:19:35.220 --> 00:19:38.220 I actually quite like the doctor's reaction to that too, because 374 00:19:38.220 --> 00:19:41.339 he's been a caretaker lately and he just repeats a line about a 375 00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:44.039 spillage from earlier on in the episode and that's quite good 376 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:44.339 too. 377 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:47.519 And go away humans. 378 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:49.799 Never lose your temperature while writing a sign. 379 00:19:49.859 --> 00:19:51.480 That feels very moffin. 380 00:19:51.539 --> 00:19:52.799 Yeah, that's a line. 381 00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:54.660 That's a laugh out loud moment for me. 382 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:59.700 It's like the sign in Husbands of River song, the Carollers will 383 00:19:59.700 --> 00:20:02.940 be criticised sign that he puts on the Tartar store. 384 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.400 It's the same kind of thing. 385 00:20:26.460 --> 00:20:31.680 My favourite thing about the episode is before it starts go wrong 386 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:35.339 and that's the precredit sequence, which I just think is so much 387 00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:40.980 fun and so propulsive, and it's throwing away a whole series of 388 00:20:40.980 --> 00:20:45.119 adventures, and the lines are really funny and the camera work is 389 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.420 really quick, you know, and it has her leaping out of a Doctor Who 390 00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:50.700 adventure and then just turning up to meet Danny. 391 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:55.319 And like the 1st shot even has that shot of Vazquez rocks from, you 392 00:20:55.319 --> 00:21:00.059 know, arena in Star Trek, you know, like it's a CGI version of 393 00:21:00.059 --> 00:21:02.099 that that they're chained up in front of. 394 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.039 And, you know, the fish people, what are they like? 395 00:21:05.099 --> 00:21:09.180 They're like fish and people. took her to see the underwater 396 00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:09.599 menace. 397 00:21:09.660 --> 00:21:10.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 398 00:21:10.859 --> 00:21:11.759 The underwater man is. 399 00:21:11.819 --> 00:21:14.099 Like all of that stuff is actually really fun and funny. 400 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.839 And I have to think that her coming back later in the day with a 401 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:26.460 tan has got to be a reference to the Sensorites. when Barbara. 402 00:21:26.579 --> 00:21:30.480 But that links to the, if you're doing that, then, well, no, we'll 403 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:31.980 get there in a bit, but there's a bit where later where she says 404 00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:34.980 we're doing a play, which is what Barbara says in the Crusade. 405 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.920 Well, she doesn't say it is what he's doing and that she rolls 406 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:38.880 with it in the crusade. 407 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:40.619 Clara's Barbara, I haven't thought it. 408 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:45.660 I actually got the, she says, what are you doing here to Danny in 409 00:21:45.660 --> 00:21:48.359 exactly the same, like in a Barbara voice. 410 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:50.279 Like, it's absolutely there. 411 00:21:50.339 --> 00:21:54.960 That's why I think that's why I'm convinced that the, uh, the 1st 412 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:58.799 draft had the Skovox splits it as a meganoid because it's just so 413 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:01.200 full of this sort of 1st doctor star. 414 00:22:01.259 --> 00:22:05.759 Also, like the school principal, the head teacher was originally 415 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.819 Miss Coburn in the 1st draft. 416 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:10.200 There go. 417 00:22:10.259 --> 00:22:13.619 Is it in this or in class that there's a sign outside saying chair 418 00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:15.539 of the governor's, Mr. Chesterton? 419 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:16.619 The doctor. 420 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:17.880 Obviously to the doctor. 421 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:18.240 Well, okay. 422 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:20.640 So we can still say, ah, so they could have called in the 423 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.039 governor's board for a meeting to defeat the Mecca. 424 00:22:24.059 --> 00:22:27.839 Why does the doctor lure it to the school to destroy it though? 425 00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:28.980 It's kind of quick. 426 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:30.059 What expediency? 427 00:22:30.660 --> 00:22:33.480 I mean, is it is it that it's empty at night that it's coming back 428 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:35.160 at night that he's doing it at night? 429 00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:37.200 He says it's the only I don't know. 430 00:22:37.259 --> 00:22:40.380 He's got a sense of nostalgia because his granddaughter went... 431 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:43.140 That must have been a leisure centre nearby somewhere. 432 00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:47.700 Well, you could find an empty tennis court or a swimming pool 433 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:48.779 somewhere overnight. 434 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.799 Yeah, I just think we wanted an episode in a school, didn't we? 435 00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:55.019 And we didn't want to think too much about it, I guess. 436 00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:57.180 But which school this is filmed in four? 437 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:00.240 Well, so that's a tradition, isn't it? 438 00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:03.420 I like the fact that he as a caretaker. 439 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.359 I know it's partly like, oh, we've seen him as a teacher before 440 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:11.039 but I realise watching him getting up to various things throughout 441 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.299 the episode that the caretaker anywhere is someone who can go and 442 00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:19.799 walk around, go wherever they want, unimpeded, and generally no 443 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:22.019 one will ask too much about what they're up to. 444 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.500 They'll just presume that they, Yeah, they're fixing something. 445 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:28.019 Yeah, they're putting something back in place. 446 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:32.519 And although we have the scene of Danny and Adrian watching him 447 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:34.559 fiddle with the electrics, they then have to go off and teach 448 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:35.039 classes. 449 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:36.660 So they're out of the way quite quickly. 450 00:23:36.660 --> 00:23:40.980 So it does quite quite well as a role for him to have in the 451 00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:41.099 school. 452 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.140 Is there a double meaning? 453 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:44.460 There's usually a double meaning. 454 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:48.839 Because like Danny taking care of Clara or the doctor's taking 455 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.259 care of Clara or something or she's... 456 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:57.720 Yeah, um, Sorry, it's always been carry on. 457 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:02.519 I was so angry at the end of that one that he didn't take Zoe 458 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:03.240 Ashton with him. 459 00:24:03.299 --> 00:24:03.960 She my favourite. 460 00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:04.680 She's great. 461 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:05.519 During the year. 462 00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:06.359 She's so good in it. 463 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:07.680 It's my Abigail cast. 464 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.680 Imagining up the Dalek is like up the Pompeii. 465 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:11.940 So, up Pompeii. 466 00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:12.900 Up the Pompeii. 467 00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:23.339 So we kind of alluded to this episode, when we were talking last 468 00:24:23.339 --> 00:24:29.339 year about journey to the centre of the TARDIS, and I think that 469 00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:39.000 this episode, probably unintentionally, unintentionally, ends up 470 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:42.420 doing some problematic things with race. 471 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.660 Yeah, it's just so cringy. 472 00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:48.539 And I'm sure I think I'm sure it is accidental, but then you can 473 00:24:48.539 --> 00:24:52.559 say that a lot a lot of it is, and that's that's the problem in in 474 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:54.779 reality, that's the problem, but, you know, unconsciousness and 475 00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:55.200 not not. 476 00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:57.839 And because they're conscious, they've got a show that's got 2 477 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.480 leads who are both white, that they're clearly making the effort 478 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.059 to make sure that they are conscious, they want to cast a more 479 00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:03.900 diverse gas. 480 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.019 But that means the people that they interact with, who are not our 481 00:25:07.019 --> 00:25:09.539 heroes, are going to be disproportionately. 482 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:13.019 I don't know, it can just blunder into something like this. 483 00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.859 And the whole, I mean, I get, I don't know if I'm, if it's the age 484 00:25:16.859 --> 00:25:19.799 you have to be, to get the, um, the soldier becomes a PE teacher 485 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:21.180 thing or is that a universal thing? 486 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.640 Because even like in the 70s when I was little at school, that was 487 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.019 a thing a PE teacher's work. 488 00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:26.220 Yeah, that was lost for me. 489 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:27.180 Ah, right, right. 490 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:27.420 Yeah. 491 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:27.660 Yeah. 492 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:31.079 So that's that was a thing that it was the job that an ex soldier 493 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:32.220 could easily get. 494 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:33.960 And often they were quite scary. 495 00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:37.920 Oh, because they didn't like that. the endurance and the physical 496 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:39.059 training and all that sort of stuff. 497 00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:39.660 Yeah. 498 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:40.799 So that's where that comes from. 499 00:25:40.859 --> 00:25:42.900 But landing on top of what's already gone before, yeah. 500 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:46.619 The doctor's best friend was a soldier who became a maths 501 00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:47.279 teacher. 502 00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:51.420 And he was surprised, admittedly, when he discovered that. 503 00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:55.500 But just the repetition of it. 504 00:25:55.559 --> 00:26:00.059 And so it's not just that he's being insulting because sometimes 505 00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:04.079 that's funny and because of, as I said, because of the way he 506 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.680 plays off Clara and Clara reacts to it, it doesn't seem to kind of 507 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:08.880 seem particularly wounding. 508 00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:16.079 But because Danny's kind of annoyed and just because it makes it 509 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:22.259 look like he thinks Danny is stupid, and we've also hinted, perhaps 510 00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:26.940 in the opening that Clara sometimes thinks he's stupid, you know 511 00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:30.660 there's that thing where the doctor's being mysterious and Clara 512 00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:34.200 says, it's a mistake very clever people make when they think 513 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:35.640 everyone else is stupid. 514 00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:40.319 And then Danny says the same thing to her when she's mysterious as 515 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:40.740 well. 516 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.180 And so having them think that he's stupid and sure. 517 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:46.920 It a one off, if it's a one off thing. 518 00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:51.240 But then you have the 2 naughty boys who get approached by Matthew 519 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.059 the evil policeman for bunking off school. 520 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:59.519 You have Courtney, who's a disruptive influence in school, and the 521 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:03.900 doctor sends her off to do shoplifting or something at the end of 522 00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:04.740 their conversation. 523 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:10.680 I'd also add in Courtney's parents into that, in that you might 524 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.440 have expected them to almost be absent parents or, you know 525 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.079 something wrong going on at home, but they're just kind of 526 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:20.039 presented as quite dim, really, I think. 527 00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:24.839 They seem kind of more affluent, but thick, don't they? 528 00:27:24.900 --> 00:27:26.519 Like, yeah, yeah. 529 00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:27.660 Yeah, or something. 530 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:31.200 And look, they're trying to be more modern in the way they can't 531 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.000 and more diverse in the way that they cast. 532 00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:37.799 And all of that is absolutely laudable, but you have to be 533 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:40.559 conscious about what you're doing then, I think. 534 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:44.279 I think it's Peter was having this conversation with me a while 535 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:44.700 ago. 536 00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:50.039 Colorblank casting is laudable, obviously, and it's good that 537 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:54.720 there is more diversity in the casting of this show, but you need 538 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:55.799 to be conscious of that. 539 00:27:55.859 --> 00:28:02.099 You need to be aware that this script could be read in a way which 540 00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:03.180 is racist. 541 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.319 Like, you know, like you have to be aware that that character 542 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:11.160 there is going to be read through multiple levels of 543 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.079 understanding. 544 00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:17.579 And if you're treating, like all those minds, you know, like that 545 00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:22.259 repeated line, I'm a maths teacher, no, I'm not just not getting 546 00:28:22.259 --> 00:28:22.500 it. 547 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:27.119 Just reads as, you're an ex-soldier, and you're black, and 548 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.720 therefore, I think you couldn't possibly be a math teacher. 549 00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:34.920 I know that's not the intention, but it comes across as really 550 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:36.359 quite racist. 551 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:39.059 And we've also had the line. 552 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:43.019 Even Adrian has said, oh, he used to be an engineer and deal with 553 00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:44.220 electronics. 554 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:45.960 So he's got skills. 555 00:28:46.019 --> 00:28:49.019 It's not just like, you know, he spent years. 556 00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:52.500 Yeah, which is, you know, very mature. 557 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:57.720 The implication from everything, like the doctor's, I'm saying, I 558 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:01.200 feel like even when you've got Adrian there like reinforcing 559 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.980 backing, aim him up, like, yes, he definitely was. 560 00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:09.299 The repetition of it just becomes really irritating. 561 00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:15.359 I think too, it's disappointing because Stephen Moffatt in his 1st 562 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:21.000 TV show actually had the same problem, and that's the character of 563 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:26.759 Fraz, who is the person that they cast as black, and he was the 564 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.039 dimwit on the Juni Gazette. 565 00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:30.420 He was the dumbest kid. 566 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.440 And I've heard Moffat in interviews say that he was kind of 567 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:39.000 horrified that, you know, our one black role went to the dimwit 568 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:39.539 child. 569 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:45.779 And so he pulled back on that aspect eventually of the character 570 00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:50.400 and he just became sort of more disengaged from the job and kind 571 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.240 of rather sweet and likeable, but they didn't emphasise him being 572 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.380 dim. 573 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.640 And one of my favourite episodes of the show unexpected from a 574 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:01.019 later season. 575 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.279 You know, he's one of us. 576 00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:05.160 He's a fanboy and all of that sort of thing. 577 00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:08.160 You know, he's, uh, he's a super likeable character. 578 00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:09.299 It works out well in the end. 579 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:14.220 But it just strikes me that if in his youth, he was aware that 580 00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:20.400 this was a problem, I don't know why no one's bells rang, and, like 581 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:23.579 we'll talk more about this next week because it continues with 582 00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:27.900 Courtney and Kill the Moon, and, of course, in Flatline. 583 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.720 You know, when they go to cast a graffiti artist, he's going to be 584 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:35.700 a superb, like a truly superb actor who I'm glad has that role. 585 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:41.160 But again, it's just a little bit of a pattern, I think, in this 586 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.779 season and it's a problem. 587 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:44.940 Yeah, it's kind of thoughtlessly. 588 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.559 Well, hopefully, thoughtlessly, it's leaning into all these 589 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:50.400 stereotypes. 590 00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:51.059 Yeah. 591 00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:58.079 Towards the end of the episode. 592 00:30:58.140 --> 00:31:01.740 We have that sort of final scene once it's all been resolved. 593 00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:03.480 And so Danny's saved the world. 594 00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:07.140 Do we have a comment on his his leap over the scope of his 595 00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:07.920 skills? 596 00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:09.900 It's amazing. 597 00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:11.339 Polly Langford herself couldn't have done that. 598 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.400 Hey, come on. 599 00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:20.519 And she could have sung the theme tune as the music. 600 00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:21.599 I'm going to talk about music. 601 00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:23.220 I know you like Marigold a lot more than I do. 602 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.680 The music at the start is just right. 603 00:31:25.740 --> 00:31:26.279 It's funny. 604 00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:30.240 Yes, here we are, a montage of hijinks and escapades, but then as 605 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.160 it progresses and there's the bit where she's in the school and 606 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.740 the music is just yelling at me that this bit's funny and wacky 607 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:37.440 and actually it isn't any unfunny and wackier than the previous 608 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:37.859 bit. 609 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.460 And so the music is trying to escalate the Madcap caper vibe. 610 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.420 Well, what's on screen isn't escalating and so that splitting of 611 00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:49.079 where it's at flips it and makes it less funny because the music's 612 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.839 trying to tell me it's that a moderate punchline is a huge 613 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:52.500 punchline. 614 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.720 The action scenes have got cooking. 615 00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:56.160 I'm not entirely dunking on it. 616 00:31:56.220 --> 00:32:00.660 Actually, I am going to dunk on it a little bit because he uses 617 00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:04.559 the doctor's theme, the, the, the new doctor's theme, which I 618 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.980 think is magnificent for Clara wandering around distracted the 619 00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:10.380 covoc splitzer, and I'm not quite sure why that is. 620 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:15.059 And then he seems, oh, maybe it's a madman in a box is the music. 621 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:20.099 There's an old series 5 music cue when he shows Danny the TARDIS 622 00:32:20.099 --> 00:32:21.240 perhaps, and maybe that's okay. 623 00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:26.039 But I do think Murray has a habit of over egging comedy scenes 624 00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:31.859 which is a problem, and I do think that sometimes he reuses cues 625 00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:35.579 in, he's a busy man, I guess. 626 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:39.660 But he does reuse cues sometimes when they just don't seem to be 627 00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:41.759 really that appropriate. 628 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:46.200 I mean, that resolution is just as complicated as it needed to be 629 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.099 for the episode to work, I guess, given what the episode is really 630 00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:50.460 about. 631 00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:55.980 But I have to say that I also found that final scene where Clara's 632 00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:59.160 lying in Danny's arms while they're watching TV at the end. 633 00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:04.079 I actually found that also extremely uncomfortable. 634 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:12.720 Well, I just kind of think that Danny has come off now as 635 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:17.519 unpleasant and controlling as well, and like I always wanted to 636 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:20.279 like Danny because again, you know, pretty, and he was in the 637 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:23.160 history boys and all of that, that always turns out well. 638 00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:25.859 Turns up in Gavin and Stacy as well. 639 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.200 Yes, I have none of Gavin's friends. 640 00:33:28.259 --> 00:33:30.599 Very strong memory. forgotten that. 641 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.000 There's a scene of him having sex with a bridesmaid at the wedding 642 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.460 and I've never, ever forgotten it. 643 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:43.859 But because now the doctor and Danny are both quite unpleasant and 644 00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:48.720 they've spent the episode jockeying after Clara, I'm not normally 645 00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.019 worried about Clara because I think she gives as good as she gets 646 00:33:52.019 --> 00:33:56.819 and she's proven herself able to cope with lots of things, but now 647 00:33:56.819 --> 00:34:00.420 it's kind of like the 2 most important people in the show are both 648 00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:01.619 kind of horrible. 649 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:03.359 Toxic and controlling. 650 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.039 Yeah, like there's that line. 651 00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:09.480 I want you to be honest with me, like, because, you know, I would 652 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.239 never want to not be able to help you or something like that. 653 00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:16.440 Oh, if you break that promise, we're finished, you know, like 654 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.099 there's a threat and then there's, there's a kind of implicit, you 655 00:34:20.099 --> 00:34:23.760 know, you need to tell me things because I need to help you and it 656 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.099 was, it's kind of almost infantilising as well. 657 00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.300 It's... 658 00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:31.800 It's unfair of him as well because he's hiding things from her 659 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.239 which doesn't really come out for her until the finale. 660 00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:39.780 And it comes back to that thing as well of it doesn't feel like 661 00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:41.099 they've been together that long. 662 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.440 They haven't shared absolutely everything with one another. 663 00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:49.019 You know, we know he never shares his soldier experiences with her 664 00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:49.920 in that much detail. 665 00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:53.219 In fact, we've never seen him discuss any of it whatsoever. 666 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.300 It's clearly a closed book. 667 00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:59.699 He does mention the 23 wells he dug on the 1st date. 668 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.940 I think that I think that's maybe the problem. 669 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:04.139 You mentioned that he's a soldier. 670 00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:08.039 But I think that's maybe the problem is that because he's ashamed 671 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:09.599 of that, he doesn't share it. 672 00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:13.380 And so she maybe doesn't even think of him as a soldier. 673 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.300 Well, she says that. 674 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.820 She says he's not a soldier, he's a maths teacher. 675 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.679 Yeah, and but to her, because he's kept that part of his life worn 676 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:27.179 off to her, she doesn't see how the doctor would find it so 677 00:35:27.179 --> 00:35:32.039 problematic despite his well-established kind of for the last 4 678 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:32.579 episodes. 679 00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:35.099 Uh, issue with soldiers. 680 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:39.119 I've been watching this season all the way through and I keep 681 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.300 expecting that revelation to have happened already. 682 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.780 The revelation about what Danny did in Afghanistan. 683 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.519 It's made clear to us that something happened that he kills 684 00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:51.239 civilians. 685 00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:55.380 We know that by Into the Dalek from that 1st scene in the school 686 00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:58.380 where the kid asks him and he doesn't answer the question. 687 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:02.400 But I had thought the revelation, that we at least knew by now 688 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:06.659 exactly what it was, but I obviously misremembered. 689 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:10.739 Yeah, I mean, it's so lampshaded that we know we've already filled 690 00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:13.380 in the blank sort of it and it's just a case, I mean, the detail. 691 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.480 It doesn't come as it's not a shock when he reveals it. 692 00:36:15.539 --> 00:36:16.440 Okay, fine. 693 00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:19.260 And yeah, I guess with like you said, the weirdness about him and 694 00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:22.980 Clara's stance at him being threatening to leave her. is supposed 695 00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:25.679 to be teeing things up to say, we haven't resolved this 696 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:26.219 relationship now. 697 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:27.599 You know, we've got a good few episodes to go. 698 00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:28.980 Yeah, what's going to happen next? 699 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:30.960 And it's like, I hate them all. 700 00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:32.280 I don't care. 701 00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:36.119 I want to see Courtney be arguing with the doctor. 702 00:36:36.179 --> 00:36:39.960 Um, because the quip ratio has to be kept up and that means that 703 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:41.039 all the constant digs at each other. 704 00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:42.059 Yeah. 705 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.360 I mean, I think I've got a sort of higher tolerance for the sort 706 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.780 of Moffat quippery, um, than, than you do. 707 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.260 But Moffatt kind of learns throughout his career. 708 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:53.699 And I think he does get better. 709 00:36:53.760 --> 00:37:00.179 And I think things like coupling, which are also sort of weirdly 710 00:37:00.179 --> 00:37:04.920 gender essentialist and very kind of heteronormative. listen to me 711 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:05.400 talking. 712 00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:10.619 Um, uh, you know, like he moves away from that, he gets better at 713 00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:11.460 representation. 714 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.579 He is the 1st person to introduce a queer regular character into 715 00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:19.079 the show, like a proper queer regular who is superb and who 716 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.679 doesn't have a weird problematic relationship with a doctor is 717 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.300 just, you know, one of the best companions of the new series. 718 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.880 Yeah, and wonderfully actually played by a queer actress as well. 719 00:37:29.940 --> 00:37:31.260 Yeah, yeah. 720 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:32.820 So he gets there. 721 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:39.420 But this is him and probably Gareth Roberts are not the 2 people 722 00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:43.500 to write this sort of stuff together because I just think all 3 of 723 00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:47.280 the characters or at least the doctor and Danny come off as just 724 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:49.679 deeply unpleasant people at the end of it. 725 00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:53.340 And I think that's a problem. 726 00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:57.960 I do find myself wondering why any of them are choosing to spend 727 00:37:57.960 --> 00:37:59.099 more time with one another. 728 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:04.679 Even Clara and the doctor at this point, it feels like, are you 729 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:06.420 just sticking with him to have adventures? 730 00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:10.739 And it's not a healthy relationship and it makes me think, it's 731 00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:13.500 not as bad, but like Perry and the 6th doctor. 732 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:19.739 The line between and quite unpleasant comments just seems to be 733 00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:21.300 getting more blurred at times. 734 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:25.559 You know, it's the kind of thing where you, I don't know about you 735 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.940 but when I was a kid, I always identified with a companion. 736 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.320 And, you know, I know that I think Russell T. Dave is the same. 737 00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:38.039 That's why he named Rose after himself and why they share the same 738 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.199 birthday and all of that kind of thing. 739 00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:44.639 You know, like I was Sarah Jane when I was watching it for the 1st 740 00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.260 time and that was who I wanted to be. 741 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.019 I wanted to travel with a doctor like she does and have 742 00:38:49.019 --> 00:38:49.800 adventures. 743 00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:54.300 And I think the new series wants to interrogate the premise of the 744 00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:57.000 show and it does that, you know, all the way back in school 745 00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:57.780 reunion. 746 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.360 Maybe the doctor's a bad person for leaving these people behind 747 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.699 now that he knows how to go back for them. 748 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.639 You know, Moffatt's interrogated the doctor as someone who every 749 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:10.139 week blows up a whole bunch of people, you know, and then leaves. 750 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:11.760 And I think all of that stuff's worth doing. 751 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.980 And that's sort of fun and interesting. 752 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:19.619 But I do think the idea that Clara is using the doctor just to 753 00:39:19.619 --> 00:39:21.659 have adventures. 754 00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:25.860 And that's not fully here yet, but it's going to be, isn't it? 755 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.599 And particularly next year, or that the relationship is going to 756 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.139 destroy her or something, that the relationship's a problem. 757 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:38.519 Like making that relationship problematic to the degree that this 758 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:39.179 one is. 759 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.380 I think might be a mistake or might be one of the reasons why 760 00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:46.980 people lose sympathy with this, this pairing. 761 00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:52.739 It's interesting thinking to the finale when the doctor and Clara 762 00:39:52.739 --> 00:39:56.940 are parting and they're both lying to one another. 763 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.980 She says she's going to go off with Danny. 764 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.280 He's trying to reassure her that he's not going to be on his own 765 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.199 because he's found Gallifrey. 766 00:40:04.260 --> 00:40:06.360 He's cottoned on. 767 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:10.980 Perhaps that she doesn't want to be with him and is kind of 768 00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:12.179 filling some obligation. 769 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.000 Um, I don't know. 770 00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:19.440 It's, it's, difficult to sort of weigh that up at that point. 771 00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:23.219 I mean, we'll get to that, but that is so upsetting and such a 772 00:40:23.219 --> 00:40:26.579 problem that Moffatt has to have Nick Frost break in on the 773 00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:29.519 closing credits to reassure the children at home that everything's 774 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:33.239 going to be okay for Christmas, you know, like even he recognises 775 00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:37.440 that that ending is really a bit unpleasantly downbeat, I think. 776 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:41.159 Yeah, but it does sort of, it is where we're heading. 777 00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:42.239 Yeah. 778 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.820 There's that moment where she, um, they were bickering in the 779 00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:47.219 TARDIS. and then Clara City shows us the invisibility watch and 780 00:40:47.219 --> 00:40:48.420 Clara's face literally lights up. 781 00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:49.980 Yeah, actually put a... 782 00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:52.199 And and and it's like, this is what we're doing. 783 00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:52.980 This is why we're doing it. 784 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:57.420 Um, which is a, on its own is a nice moment, but then, but in the 785 00:40:57.420 --> 00:40:59.219 broader context, the rest of the time she just hates him. 786 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.679 So she just hit it for the for the gadgets. 787 00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:02.460 I just hate it. 788 00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:05.579 I mean, I think she is genuinely having fun in that opening 789 00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:06.300 sequence. 790 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:11.219 I think, you know, fish people and sand piranhas and all of that 791 00:41:11.219 --> 00:41:14.639 sort of thing is clearly something that's just really fun. 792 00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:18.239 And even though she and the doctor are bickering at the beginning 793 00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.579 there, she's not kind of upset by it. 794 00:41:20.579 --> 00:41:24.300 That does make adventuring with a doctor look terrifically good 795 00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:24.659 fun. 796 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:29.639 I like that the directing between that opening, it's all really 797 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:33.119 fast cut and like weird angles and the music. 798 00:41:33.179 --> 00:41:38.039 That and the scene where they're like annihilating the Blitz is 799 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:43.800 really similar and it mirrors that excitement and even though it's 800 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.639 frightening and scary, it's what she lived for with the doctor. 801 00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:59.639 So, at the end of this one, we have a mystery lady appearing again 802 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:00.539 somewhat briefly. 803 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.519 I think somewhat CGI'd in, I've got to say. 804 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.820 Green screened in. green screen. 805 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:07.739 We all know it's green screen, but suddenly we all start saying 806 00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:08.219 CGI. 807 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:13.199 It's madness With a very annoying assistance, played by another 808 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:14.460 member of the thick of it cast. 809 00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:18.179 I can't remember. 810 00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.460 I wasn't engaging on the internet much back then, so I didn't know 811 00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:22.739 if people were already guessing who she was. 812 00:42:22.860 --> 00:42:26.940 Was it kind of seen as obvious or was there a, is it the Rani? 813 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:27.960 Is it a new character? 814 00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:31.260 I think a lot of people were leaning towards the Rani because the 815 00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:37.079 idea of it still seemed very controversial, the idea of like a 816 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.900 time lord sort of like changing gender at the time. 817 00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:43.380 And so I think most people going, oh, they won't do that or they 818 00:42:43.380 --> 00:42:44.760 won't be like brave enough to do that. 819 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.219 And they were thinking, oh, they'll do something new and have the 820 00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:47.699 Rani. 821 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:51.300 I was pretty sure it was the master. 822 00:42:51.300 --> 00:42:57.420 And I think because the big episode 11 Revelation that it was 823 00:42:57.420 --> 00:43:01.260 actually the Rani would have just fallen completely flat, like who 824 00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:02.039 the hell is that? 825 00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:03.239 You know? 826 00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:07.320 So it really had to be, it could only be the master, I think 827 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.400 because we'd seen 2 masters before, this is now Moffatt's been on 828 00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:17.159 the character and I just, you know, I think that casting, I think 829 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.519 Michelle Gomez is the best master without a doubt. 830 00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:22.920 I think she's absolutely superb at it. 831 00:43:22.980 --> 00:43:27.420 And I love seeing her sort of pop up every so often. 832 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.639 And we haven't seen her for a bit. 833 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:31.920 And we only barely see her here. 834 00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:35.219 I think that this arc is actually pretty good. 835 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.719 And I think that it's not the sort of arc that he's done before. 836 00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:43.619 He's done the 2 arcs previously, basically been about Amy. 837 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:48.239 And this is much more of a sort of science fiction-y sort of arc 838 00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:52.500 and I guess, about introducing a character who's important to the 839 00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:53.159 doctor. 840 00:43:53.219 --> 00:43:55.860 And I think this stuff's fun. 841 00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.139 Like Chris Addison's a great addition. 842 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.940 I think this end scene view of the Nether sphere or one of its 843 00:44:02.940 --> 00:44:03.659 other many names. 844 00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:08.820 It's my favourite one so far in the series because it's been 845 00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:11.880 hinted at and we kind of know what it is, but the people we've 846 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:15.599 seen that are all quite calm about it. 847 00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:21.780 I love that we get this PCSO's reaction and it's, it is one of 848 00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:25.800 absolute horror and they really lean into that dark aspect later. 849 00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:31.739 And, you know, it contrasts so well with just Chris's wonderfully 850 00:44:31.739 --> 00:44:34.019 cheery charmingness throughout. 851 00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:39.599 It's a wonderful, like, horrible revelation for this PCSO. 852 00:44:39.659 --> 00:44:42.659 I did do a little shaking my fist at it, though, when it was a 853 00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:43.139 Moffat. 854 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:44.280 They're not really dead again. 855 00:44:44.340 --> 00:44:47.219 You can't let anyone stay dead, can you, muffin? 856 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:11.159 Well, do whister, that's all we have time for this week. 857 00:45:11.219 --> 00:45:15.539 We'll be back next week for a sensible and utterly unremarkable 45 858 00:45:15.539 --> 00:45:18.000 minutes of television in Kill the Moon. 859 00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:22.619 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 860 00:45:22.619 --> 00:45:25.619 and you can keep up with us on our website, FlightthroughEntirety 861 00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:28.320 com, where you'll find links to our accounts on Facebook, Twitter 862 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.739 and Mastodon, as well as links to our other podcast, Bondfinger 863 00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:35.880 Jody Interterra, maximum power, and untitled Star Trek project. 864 00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:41.099 Until next time, may your partner always be kind and responsible 865 00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:43.559 enough to impress your space dad. 866 00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:46.079 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 867 00:45:46.139 --> 00:45:47.039 Good night. 868 00:45:47.099 --> 00:45:47.820 Good night. 869 00:45:47.940 --> 00:45:48.840 Good night. 870 00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:58.199 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Hannah 871 00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:01.440 Cooper, Pete Lambert, and James Selwood, theme arrangement by 872 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:02.340 Cameron Lamb. 873 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:06.000 This episode, both as bad as one another, was recorded on the 28th 874 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.179 of January 2023 and released on the 21st of May. 875 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:16.380 Well, that's flight through entirety over for this week. 876 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:19.019 If anyone needs to contact me, I'll be high up in the skies of 877 00:46:19.019 --> 00:46:22.199 high rule, collecting lizards and glueing fans to things. 878 00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:24.360 I'll see you in a couple of months. 879 00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:31.739 All right, well I think that was good. 880 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:32.340 What do you think? 881 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.559 We got to got our bitch on. 882 00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:35.400 It's been a while. 883 00:46:37.019 --> 00:46:40.860 I'm happy we found some positive things to say because their notes 884 00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:41.460 were all. 885 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.639 My notes were mainly questions of meat picking holes in it. 886 00:46:44.699 --> 00:46:47.519 And yeah, I felt bad about that because then I realised, well 887 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.860 actually when I just watch it and I'm not analysing it. 888 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:51.119 It's really fun story. 889 00:46:51.179 --> 00:46:53.400 Yeah, I thought, yeah, I agree. 890 00:46:53.460 --> 00:46:54.599 I mean, I had fun. 891 00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:57.420 I didn't hate it, but like it was, you know, yeah. 892 00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:58.079 Yeah. 893 00:46:58.139 --> 00:47:00.239 Yeah, I think there's none to be had, for sure. 894 00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:01.199 No, me too. 895 00:47:01.260 --> 00:47:06.780 I mean, I watch it when this is actually quite enjoyable, but I 896 00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:12.239 find it really difficult to enjoy because of, yeah, the sort of 897 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.239 uneven nature of the problematic racism. 898 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.840 I know one thing we haven't mentioned that I do like is the 899 00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.739 doctor's assumption that Clara fancies the guy. 900 00:47:22.739 --> 00:47:27.780 The young, handsome, dashing, time traveller. 901 00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:28.739 I do quite well. 902 00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:30.059 I like that they do that. 903 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.420 It just makes him look like an idiot. as well. 904 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.400 Like, it's more kind of just... 905 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:39.960 I think Clara looks idiotic as well when the doctor's there 906 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.659 smiling and, you know, cooing at them. 907 00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:45.360 It's like, surely, you know, he's crap at this stuff. 908 00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:46.559 You're meant to pick up on this. 909 00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:47.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 910 00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:48.780 Why hasn't she worked there? 911 00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.840 Why didn't she just go, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. 912 00:47:51.900 --> 00:47:52.559 Yeah. 913 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:53.099 Yeah. 914 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:53.880 Yeah. 915 00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:55.860 I mean, and there is that theme running through. 916 00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.699 And everyone's telling, you know, the hierarchy of cleverness that 917 00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:03.300 the 3 characters tell us about that sort of almost implies and at 918 00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:07.679 the top of this is is the showrunner is like even cleverer than 919 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:08.159 the doctor. 920 00:48:08.219 --> 00:48:12.119 And it's like, is the theme of this year what it's like when you 921 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:17.219 formerly used to be a young, clever boy that the impossible 922 00:48:17.219 --> 00:48:18.420 wonderful girls would flirt with. 923 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:22.440 And now you discover that you're a middle-aged Scotsman, um, as a 924 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.920 who is a time lord and or showrunner, who's having to reconcile 925 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.079 themselves to the fact that, you know, those brilliant girls are 926 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:29.820 actually affecting younger people than you instead. 927 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:35.760 Danny, I think Danny even asks, like, do you fancy him or 928 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:36.119 something? 929 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.000 And it made me kind of count up and realise, we have had every 930 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.659 single one of the modern companions as there's been, they have 931 00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:46.860 either fancied him or someone has like asked if they fancied like 932 00:48:46.860 --> 00:48:51.360 a couple as one another, which really feels odd and stand out 933 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:57.119 because it, it's like, surely we had, like even by 2005 reached 934 00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.699 the point of men and women can be friends without fancying one 935 00:48:59.699 --> 00:48:59.940 another. 936 00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:02.940 I mean, do you love him? 937 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.460 And she says, no. 938 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.019 And then he goes, come on. 939 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:08.519 And she says, well, not in that way. 940 00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:10.800 And he's like, what other way is there? 941 00:49:10.860 --> 00:49:13.679 It's like, let's do it again. everyone knows what people mean when 942 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:14.340 they say that. 943 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:15.960 You know, like... 944 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:17.880 It's like, yeah, he's like a brother. 945 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:19.199 He's my best friend. 946 00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:20.880 He's my space guy. 947 00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:21.480 Yeah, weird.