WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 14:01:33 1 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.320 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through 2 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:43.920 Entirety. 3 00:00:43.979 --> 00:00:47.700 The only Doctor Who podcast recorded with the unreserved approval 4 00:00:47.700 --> 00:00:50.039 of all of our husbands and boyfriends. 5 00:00:50.100 --> 00:00:51.539 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:53.039 I'm Brendan. 7 00:00:53.100 --> 00:00:57.840 I'm Si, and I'm your mystery shopper for today in Adam Richards 8 00:00:57.840 --> 00:00:58.320 vice. 9 00:00:59.579 --> 00:01:03.000 Well, there's really only one show in the history of television 10 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.299 that would do an alien soldier mummy on the Orient Express in 11 00:01:06.299 --> 00:01:09.359 space, and so naturally, that's what Doctor Who is doing this 12 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:09.659 week. 13 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:13.019 But will it be enough to keep Clara from leaving? 14 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:16.140 Let's find out as we discuss Mummy on the Orient Express. 15 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:36.420 So this is actually really good, isn't it? 16 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:37.319 Oh, yeah. 17 00:01:37.379 --> 00:01:38.159 Mm. 18 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:41.879 And right from the very beginning, I think, so this is directed by 19 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.640 Paul, I want to say, Paul Wilmshurst. 20 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:45.480 Yes. 21 00:01:45.540 --> 00:01:46.140 That's it. 22 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:48.599 So he's already done Killer Moon, which everyone thinks is 23 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.480 fantastic and we were unanimous in our praise of that. 24 00:01:51.540 --> 00:01:55.019 So he did that and he'll come back for last Christmas, but this 25 00:01:55.019 --> 00:01:57.900 has a really, really striking opening, doesn't it? 26 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.719 And it does something that Doctor Who, I think, has never, ever 27 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.680 done before, which is that on screen, countdown, which I just 28 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:09.360 think is so amazing and so brilliant, because it's like an old 29 00:02:08.580 --> 00:02:10.740 fashioned sort of cyberpunk thing. 30 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:12.300 You know, it's got the rolling numbers. 31 00:02:12.419 --> 00:02:15.539 It's not stupid or digital or sort of matted on. 32 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.340 It's like it's a bit of a machine. 33 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:22.500 And I'm not quite sure why we're suddenly allowed to do this on 34 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:24.900 Doctor Who, but I'm awfully glad that we are. 35 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:29.939 What I loved about the countdown was that it fitted the setting. 36 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.300 It felt like it belonged on the Orient Express. 37 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.099 So it wasn't out of place at all. 38 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:36.360 Yeah, yeah. 39 00:02:36.419 --> 00:02:37.020 Yeah. 40 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.539 And I thought this sort of thing, you were only allowed to do it 41 00:02:39.539 --> 00:02:42.180 if you were projecting numbers onto Louise Pedro's face. 42 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.000 Yes, but they were diagetic. 43 00:02:45.060 --> 00:02:46.199 Yeah. 44 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:48.479 Hi, Louise. 45 00:02:51.539 --> 00:02:54.300 But I mean, the whole look of it is pretty amazing, isn't it? 46 00:02:54.419 --> 00:03:00.780 And I guess it comes to us via Voyage of the Damned, and it's sort 47 00:03:00.780 --> 00:03:02.099 of basically the same idea. 48 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:06.180 Although I think this is Earth future or something, not that we 49 00:03:06.180 --> 00:03:07.319 really care at all. 50 00:03:07.379 --> 00:03:13.560 I think Mrs. Pitt very early on says, is this a fancy dress night 51 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.979 and she's told, no, it isn't, even though everyone's dressed like 52 00:03:16.979 --> 00:03:19.319 it's the 1920s and they're on BRA Express. 53 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:20.520 So it's all terribly silly. 54 00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:24.719 And in the 1st version of me actually saying this, which we've 55 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:30.120 carefully edited out, I suddenly saw Richard leaning over saying, I 56 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:33.900 don't know what happens to girls like you, Dangria Lally's down at 57 00:03:33.900 --> 00:03:36.659 Maiden's point. at this time of an evening. 58 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.000 I had literally never known that. 59 00:03:39.060 --> 00:03:44.460 And I actually copied the cast list off the time. page into my 60 00:03:44.460 --> 00:03:47.280 notes and didn't even notice Janet Henfrey's name. 61 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:48.539 You know what's so freaky? 62 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:50.039 You know what's so freaky? 63 00:03:50.099 --> 00:03:51.960 She looks exactly the same. 64 00:03:52.020 --> 00:03:53.819 Yeah, well, she's got that. 65 00:03:54.060 --> 00:03:57.180 Yeah, she has that life preserver thing under a chair. those 66 00:03:57.180 --> 00:03:59.460 bandages stretch a long way, don't they? 67 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:06.780 And she'll continue looking exactly the same for Sill, the devil 68 00:04:06.780 --> 00:04:09.840 seeds of Arador in a few years. 69 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:13.800 Well, that's tremendous. 70 00:04:13.860 --> 00:04:14.699 That's made my evening. 71 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.319 I don't think we even need to talk about this. 72 00:04:16.379 --> 00:04:19.800 I thought this was a suburb episode and now it's got N-free in 73 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:19.920 it. 74 00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:23.279 I don't think it could be possibly any better. 75 00:04:23.459 --> 00:04:29.879 It's a pretty incredibly well-directed and beautifully done pre 76 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:30.360 credit sequence. 77 00:04:30.420 --> 00:04:31.740 Yeah. 78 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.980 I'm just imagining, you know, Janet Henry gets the script and it's 79 00:04:34.980 --> 00:04:37.980 like the undead monster touches her face and she died. 80 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:38.699 Oh, not again. 81 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.319 She's really good. 82 00:04:46.379 --> 00:04:50.220 I desperately hope Andy Pryor like picked her because he loved her 83 00:04:50.220 --> 00:04:53.879 work in Curse of Fenrick and just thought, yeah, she's perfect for 84 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:54.480 me. 85 00:04:54.540 --> 00:04:55.500 I shall have her. 86 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:08.279 That's glorious. so good This episode and Flatline are double 87 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:11.699 banked, which is why Clara spends half of this episode locked in a 88 00:05:11.699 --> 00:05:14.040 room and the doctor will spend half of an episode locked in a room 89 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:14.639 next week. 90 00:05:14.939 --> 00:05:19.740 Originally, you know, Clara gets teleported to a pyramid and put 91 00:05:19.740 --> 00:05:24.240 into a sarcophagus and wrapped in similar photohole bandages and 92 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.779 there were a whole bunch of foretolds and what have you. 93 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:29.519 And a bit like, we'll hear next week. 94 00:05:29.579 --> 00:05:32.519 Stephen Moffat said, okay, Jamie, this is great, but television 95 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:33.660 doctor in your budget. 96 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:35.100 Smaller. 97 00:05:35.819 --> 00:05:38.819 No, we're not going to crash the train into a planet. 98 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.959 It's actually amazingly simple and straightforward, isn't it? 99 00:05:43.019 --> 00:05:45.899 It really is exactly what it says on the tin. 100 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.959 And the monster is fantastic. 101 00:05:49.019 --> 00:05:51.180 I mean, it's just beautifully well designed. 102 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.519 The performance is really great. 103 00:05:53.579 --> 00:05:58.800 It's properly terrifying and it kills what 5 people, 4 or 5 people 104 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:00.180 during the course. 105 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.139 It felt like it should have been the Christmas special or a part 106 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:06.180 of one of the Christmas things anyway. 107 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:10.920 And as you say, like a big box of McRobinson's quality street and 108 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.759 a reassuring amount of old people die, which is just what you 109 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:16.620 often want at Christmas. 110 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:22.740 Well, I mean, it does have that sort of voyage of the damned thing 111 00:06:22.740 --> 00:06:23.399 about it. 112 00:06:23.459 --> 00:06:30.600 And obviously the idea of the Orient Express in space is an idea 113 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:37.319 that Moffatt had burned up once before at the end of Big Bang. 114 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:40.740 And he does have a line of dialogue in here to kind of make that 115 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:42.300 okay and like whatever. 116 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:43.620 I'm sure that that's fine. 117 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:48.540 But was it an Egyptian goddess on the Orient Express last time? 118 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:49.620 That's right. 119 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:49.980 Yeah. 120 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:53.699 Who had broken out and was, yeah, he was supposed to go off and 121 00:06:53.699 --> 00:06:54.600 investigate that. 122 00:06:54.660 --> 00:06:57.240 There was a sort of a feeling that that was going to be the 123 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:01.439 Christmas special for Matt's 1st Christmas special for a little 124 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.139 while and then a Christmas carol happened instead and it was just 125 00:07:04.139 --> 00:07:05.339 never followed up on. 126 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:09.720 So to finally sort of get here, felt like it'd been a long time 127 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:11.939 coming and they're actually going to do it. 128 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:12.720 Okay, this is great. 129 00:07:12.779 --> 00:07:16.680 You know, it's absolutely impossible for me to imagine that a 130 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.879 Christmas carol is the only thing that Moffatt ever imagined doing 131 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:24.360 for his 1st ever Christmas special and that he'd been dreaming of 132 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:25.920 doing it since he was five. 133 00:07:25.980 --> 00:07:31.620 Like it's, uh, it's so exactly what you would expect him to do. 134 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:37.259 But, you know, Moffat is a big one for recycling his own ideas. and 135 00:07:37.259 --> 00:07:40.920 I'm absolutely happy that he's done that here. 136 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:46.319 It does make me wonder though, given that we know what does happen 137 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:51.240 immediately after the Big Bang, what was it exactly that 138 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:52.439 distracted the doctor? 139 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.300 Because we know what happens in those bunk beds immediately after 140 00:07:57.300 --> 00:07:57.959 the big bank. 141 00:07:58.019 --> 00:08:00.120 Yes, we do know that. 142 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:03.420 So do you think there was sort of banging on the walls of his 143 00:08:03.420 --> 00:08:05.759 bedroom and... 144 00:08:05.819 --> 00:08:10.139 He thinks a solenoid needs realigning and so he goes and tinkers 145 00:08:10.139 --> 00:08:13.199 with something and they end up on the planet Christmas. 146 00:08:13.259 --> 00:08:13.800 No. 147 00:08:13.860 --> 00:08:15.420 No, Christmas is... 148 00:08:15.420 --> 00:08:16.379 Christmas is... 149 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.100 Sonic Town. that's right They end up on a futuristic Stephen 150 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:21.959 Moffatt planet that is Christmas themed. 151 00:08:22.019 --> 00:08:23.459 Yes, exactly. 152 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:24.660 One of many. 153 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:25.680 One of many. 154 00:08:25.740 --> 00:08:30.120 Of course, what it does give is a really good chance for Capaldi 155 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:34.379 and Jenna Coleman to dress up beautifully. doesn't Jenna look 156 00:08:34.379 --> 00:08:38.460 amazing in the 20s style clothing? 157 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:42.360 And the beautiful, her hair looks amazing. 158 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:47.519 And Capaldi is looking very pert we season seven, particularly the 159 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:52.259 bow tie, and the very dark clothing, and they both look absolutely 160 00:08:52.259 --> 00:08:54.480 like they belong in this space. 161 00:08:54.539 --> 00:08:55.200 It's wonderful. 162 00:08:55.740 --> 00:09:00.360 For me, I think maybe the most interesting thing about this, and 163 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.059 we're going to say something fairly similar next week, I think 164 00:09:03.059 --> 00:09:07.259 probably, is that although this has a strong monster and a strong 165 00:09:07.259 --> 00:09:10.740 mystery and works very well as a Doctor Who story, the other thing 166 00:09:10.740 --> 00:09:17.100 that it does very well is to carry on what we've been doing over 167 00:09:17.100 --> 00:09:19.799 the past few weeks with the Doctor and Clara's relationship. 168 00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:24.600 And we said last week that that scene where Clara breaks up with a 169 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:29.220 doctor is magnificent, like just a beautifully acted scene from 170 00:09:29.220 --> 00:09:29.820 Jenna. 171 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:33.240 And I really think that they deal with it perfectly. 172 00:09:33.299 --> 00:09:34.799 So some time has passed. 173 00:09:34.860 --> 00:09:39.539 We don't have to see the immediate fallout of that, but it has had 174 00:09:39.539 --> 00:09:43.440 fallout and they've decided that this is the end, that they're 175 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:49.019 just going for one last adventure before saying goodbye. 176 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.200 And I think that it sold really well. 177 00:09:52.259 --> 00:09:55.019 There's that great conversation quite early on where the doctor 178 00:09:55.019 --> 00:09:57.899 wants to talk about planets and the planet that's made of shrubs 179 00:09:57.899 --> 00:10:00.000 and all of that sort of thing. 180 00:10:00.059 --> 00:10:05.460 And Clara wants to talk about their relationship, um, which is a 181 00:10:05.460 --> 00:10:07.980 very sort of, it's very moffety, isn't it? 182 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:11.220 That kind of conception of relationships between men and women. 183 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.000 Yeah, so I think we're in a situation where Jamie Matheson either 184 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:19.860 knows Moffat's obsessions very well or is being nudged in that 185 00:10:19.860 --> 00:10:22.740 direction by Moffat. 186 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.440 But I think it works really well. 187 00:10:25.500 --> 00:10:30.000 Like I really properly buy that and I'm glad that that had a 188 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.720 proper outcome and that it was properly picked up. 189 00:10:34.259 --> 00:10:38.759 What I loved was they both absolutely desperate to have an 190 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:42.179 adventure, but neither of them want to be the one to say, let's 191 00:10:42.179 --> 00:10:45.120 just go with this and let's get swept along with it. 192 00:10:45.179 --> 00:10:48.120 And there's all that sort of unspoken tension and the fact that 193 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:52.559 they're both creeping off to investigate stuff behind each other's 194 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.139 backs because they want to know what's going on. 195 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.620 It's a very dysfunctional relationship because they can't actually 196 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:02.100 talk to each other in the way that they desperately need to. 197 00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:06.899 And so all of this is going on all the time and it sort of comes 198 00:11:06.899 --> 00:11:10.620 to a head right at the end of the story when Clara gives in and 199 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:14.279 says she's she's on board, she's coming for the adventure, like it 200 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:14.639 or not. 201 00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:15.899 She's she's there. 202 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:19.139 But this is sort of them both working that out. 203 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:24.000 In fact, does Clara react badly to the discovery that the doctor 204 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.659 knew that something was going on here, that he'd been invited here 205 00:11:27.659 --> 00:11:27.899 before. 206 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:29.700 Oh, yeah, yeah. 207 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:31.679 She's like, you knew this was a thing. 208 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.240 And he says, well, hoped. 209 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.500 But something I really love about that early discussion. 210 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:44.279 When he's talking about the planets, it's not the Florana speech. 211 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:48.960 It's just him sharing this stuff he finds really fascinating. 212 00:11:49.019 --> 00:11:54.360 He's a little kid showing off his rock collection in that moment. 213 00:11:54.419 --> 00:11:58.860 And I think that is why Clara then opens up about how she's 214 00:11:58.860 --> 00:12:03.179 feeling because she gets that, you know, the doctor is expressing 215 00:12:03.179 --> 00:12:06.480 his emotions in the way he can and then he's really 216 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:07.080 uncomfortable. 217 00:12:07.139 --> 00:12:08.879 He's like, can I talk about the planets again now? 218 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.340 because that's very, that's coming back too. 219 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.799 And she rewards, yes, you can. 220 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:18.600 You've listened to my girl stuff and now we'll go back to the 221 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:19.139 planets. 222 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:21.960 I love the line wage. 223 00:12:22.019 --> 00:12:23.460 He's looking at the black hole. 224 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:25.799 He just turned around and says, I remember when all this was 225 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:26.399 planned. 226 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.080 And those are brilliant. 227 00:12:34.139 --> 00:12:37.679 So this is the thing where Clara discovers that she actually can't 228 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.519 do without the giant adventures and without the, and it's not, it's 229 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:46.860 not, she doesn't express it in terms of planets and creatures and 230 00:12:46.860 --> 00:12:49.740 things, the way that Rose might have described her time with a 231 00:12:49.740 --> 00:12:54.960 doctor, what she likes is the being able to make the big 232 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:56.100 decision. 233 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:01.259 Like, there's a kind of moral hazard that she finds attractive. 234 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.100 And you remember that she says to the doctor, you know, do you 235 00:13:05.100 --> 00:13:05.519 love it? 236 00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:10.320 Do you love being the person who gets up and makes that decision 237 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.179 who makes that bad decision? 238 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.299 And, you know, because he's never given it up. 239 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.460 And so that's what she's here for. 240 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:24.120 And I think by the end of the story, she's not staying there 241 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:26.700 because she loves the doctor. 242 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.379 She's staying there because she loves the stuff, the stuff that 243 00:13:31.379 --> 00:13:31.860 happens. 244 00:13:31.860 --> 00:13:38.220 And she absolutely lies to the doctor about why she's there. 245 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:44.399 And even lies by saying that it was Danny's idea that they stopped 246 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:45.360 seeing one another. 247 00:13:45.899 --> 00:13:48.480 Yeah, it's fascinating, isn't it? 248 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:51.419 Because she's the one who's called the doctor out for lying all 249 00:13:51.419 --> 00:13:53.039 the way through this adventure. 250 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:58.559 She is really on that and pulling him up on that all the time, and 251 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.419 then she does the ultimate lie at the very end because she can't 252 00:14:03.419 --> 00:14:06.720 give this up, as she said, is it like an addiction? 253 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:11.879 And for Clara, I think from this point onwards, it really is. is 254 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:12.960 something she has to do. 255 00:14:13.019 --> 00:14:14.460 She can't she can't stop. 256 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:17.460 Is that the ultimate lie, though, Si? 257 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.820 I thought you were going to say, and that was a really interesting 258 00:14:20.820 --> 00:14:21.779 thread for me. 259 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:25.799 I thought you were going to say, she behaves as the moral compass 260 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:29.159 of the show, not just for the doctor, his caretaker, in other 261 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:33.240 words, and she's nominated, but she actually declares that the 262 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.019 whole reason she wants to leave is that he does not display a 263 00:14:37.019 --> 00:14:41.759 moral human, so-called centre, and then she lies to a woman to 264 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:45.539 drag her to her death because it will precede the narrative. 265 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.620 Yeah, he gets her to do it and she blames him for doing that. 266 00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:55.320 And that's the point is that she is all ego and he is all child 267 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:56.460 whatever else. 268 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:01.320 And I'd love to touch on the ASD autism spectrum disorder thing. 269 00:15:01.379 --> 00:15:04.620 I have a friend who has all of this and I've been learning about 270 00:15:04.620 --> 00:15:06.960 that this year and watching Capaldi. 271 00:15:07.019 --> 00:15:09.480 I haven't shown him yet because he refuses to watch anything with 272 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.399 egg cartons and silver paint. 273 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:17.580 And he's got no manners anyway, and he knows who we are. talking 274 00:15:17.580 --> 00:15:17.940 about. 275 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:19.080 It's true. 276 00:15:19.139 --> 00:15:20.940 But, I mean, what a rude thing to say. 277 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:25.139 But the point is, I have seen reflections of that, and I think 278 00:15:25.139 --> 00:15:29.100 Capaldi's betrayal of the doctor is just extraordinary spot on 279 00:15:29.100 --> 00:15:31.379 knowing people with the similar thing. 280 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:37.259 But even so, there is still that sense of morality and knowing 281 00:15:37.259 --> 00:15:37.500 truth. 282 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.519 And then Clara, centre of the moral universe, goes and fricking 283 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:43.860 lies because, well, you tell me why she does it. 284 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:51.720 Well, I mean, I think that she, look, this is in some senses a two 285 00:15:50.940 --> 00:15:56.279 parter, because Matheson writes both of them, and we're at a 286 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.120 crucial point in the overall arc of the series. 287 00:16:00.179 --> 00:16:03.600 And the arc of the series isn't missy and the never sphere, the 288 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:06.659 arc of the series is this relationship between Clara and the 289 00:16:06.659 --> 00:16:09.720 doctor, complicated by her relationship with Danny. 290 00:16:09.779 --> 00:16:14.580 Moffatt's arcs aren't about key words or anything like that. 291 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.620 They're about relationships between the characters. 292 00:16:16.740 --> 00:16:21.659 So she gets to play the doctor and lies. 293 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:26.220 So she says to Maisie, come to the, you know, the lab, we think 294 00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:28.200 you're next, but we think we can save you. 295 00:16:28.259 --> 00:16:33.240 And the doctor says that as well, the doctor makes her say that. 296 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:38.460 And there's something about that call that she likes having made. 297 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.580 And so next week we're going to see the situation, obviously, where 298 00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:44.700 the doctor's indisposed and she has to play the role of the doctor 299 00:16:44.700 --> 00:16:50.879 but there's a real consistency and theme between these 2 episodes 300 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:55.139 where the doctor's role is seen to be lying, even though it's for 301 00:16:55.139 --> 00:16:55.980 the greater good. 302 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:59.759 And I think, I think, you know, within this episode, the doctor 303 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:04.500 gets saved morally by his preparedness to just take Maisie's to 304 00:17:04.500 --> 00:17:05.700 take, yeah, you know. 305 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:07.380 So it was the next part I was trying to go to. 306 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.579 The doctor just says, no, I'll be Maisie and I'll take the attack 307 00:17:11.579 --> 00:17:12.539 that's meant for her. 308 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:13.380 Exactly. 309 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.920 And when Clara plays the part of the doctor and performs that as 310 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.099 she does in each story this year, she still doesn't reach that 311 00:17:20.099 --> 00:17:23.099 point, not to for me anyway, and I'm not going to jump ahead. 312 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.920 But you tell me what you all think. 313 00:17:25.980 --> 00:17:27.779 I think she's falling short. 314 00:17:27.900 --> 00:17:31.980 And I think that's exactly how Moffatt succeeds so well with his 315 00:17:31.980 --> 00:17:34.980 writing for others than the doctor. 316 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:36.299 I can't say companions anymore. 317 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:40.019 I don't know what the term is anymore. caretakers, but he does, he 318 00:17:40.019 --> 00:17:44.460 really, by pushing all of Clara's faults up to the front and 319 00:17:44.460 --> 00:17:50.700 centre of the screen, I guess we come to feel for her or love her 320 00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:53.519 more or whatever else we do with these characters. 321 00:17:53.579 --> 00:17:56.579 But I can't see Sarah Jane doing the same thing. 322 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.940 Yeah, I mean, on whom she's based, as we've discussed. 323 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.819 No, but I think that I think that the companions now are more 324 00:18:02.819 --> 00:18:07.920 complex and more interestingly characterised than they were in the 325 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:09.480 classic series, the classic series. 326 00:18:09.539 --> 00:18:12.299 You would have an outline and then the actor would bring their 327 00:18:12.299 --> 00:18:12.839 performance. 328 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.259 The actors would do their stuff in rehearsal, which would make it 329 00:18:16.259 --> 00:18:16.500 worse. 330 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:20.099 I can't see Clara taking being blind and pushed down a flight of 331 00:18:20.099 --> 00:18:22.200 mediaeval stairs and taking that world. 332 00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:22.559 No. 333 00:18:22.619 --> 00:18:27.539 Well, I mean, she's not blind when Missy pushes her down that pit 334 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:29.940 but... 335 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:30.599 That's funny, though. 336 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:31.380 That is fair. 337 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.900 I mean, I mean, this laden falling down a gentle incline is also 338 00:18:36.900 --> 00:18:37.920 funny, but for different reasons. 339 00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:41.640 That's true. that's true This actually reminds me of something I 340 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.819 wanted to mention this episode because, dear, this is the way we 341 00:18:44.819 --> 00:18:47.099 sort of record these is we do a batch and then we start 342 00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:47.640 releasing. 343 00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:51.359 So at the time of recording, I think I've done Listen and Kill the 344 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:56.819 Moon so far, this series, I hadn't yet heard the 1st 2 episodes in 345 00:18:56.819 --> 00:19:02.220 which the panellists discuss the doctor mugging poor Brian Miller 346 00:19:02.220 --> 00:19:03.420 and stealing his coat. 347 00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:09.779 However, I would like to point out a line of dialogue. where Clara 348 00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:12.059 asks the doctor where his pocket watch is. 349 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.759 He exchanges the pieces for the coat. 350 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:18.480 He's lying I think we're meant to play, he's lying. 351 00:19:18.539 --> 00:19:19.920 So yeah. 352 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.559 So that's another thing too. 353 00:19:22.619 --> 00:19:25.380 So we did talk about that in deep breath, where there are 2 354 00:19:25.380 --> 00:19:28.740 crucial moments where the doctor beats up Brian Miller and takes 355 00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:33.240 his code and the other one where he pushes the half-faced man out 356 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.819 of the out of the restaurant to his death. 357 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:41.339 And we don't see either of them happen, which means to some degree 358 00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:44.759 we're being asked to decide what we think happens. 359 00:19:44.819 --> 00:19:48.660 Not even Missy, who's watching the episode, gets to see what 360 00:19:48.660 --> 00:19:49.680 happens. 361 00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:52.559 She doesn't know either whether the doctors push the half-faced 362 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:53.940 manner out of the door. 363 00:19:53.940 --> 00:19:57.599 And I think because we conclude that the watch thing is a lie to 364 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:01.859 cover the fact that the doctor beat up Brian Miller and took his 365 00:20:01.859 --> 00:20:02.279 coat. 366 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:08.039 That crimes us to think that he did push the guy out the window. 367 00:20:08.099 --> 00:20:13.500 Now, what is it that we're prevented from seeing this time? 368 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.099 What we prevented from seeing is what happens after Clara passes 369 00:20:17.099 --> 00:20:18.779 out and while she's unconscious? 370 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:19.680 Yeah. 371 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.940 And the fact that Perkins is alive at the end suggests that the 372 00:20:23.940 --> 00:20:30.299 doctor is telling the truth, but I think the reason that scene is 373 00:20:30.299 --> 00:20:36.539 so uncomfortable is that the doctor actually says, oh, you know, I 374 00:20:36.539 --> 00:20:39.779 rescued everyone and then he says, oh, no, I just let them all 375 00:20:39.779 --> 00:20:41.039 suffocate. ha ha. 376 00:20:41.099 --> 00:20:44.759 And Clara doesn't even push back because she is now so on board 377 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.299 that maybe she doesn't care so much. 378 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.900 There is something really, really uncomfortable about that 379 00:20:51.900 --> 00:20:52.259 choice. 380 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:55.740 And we're all allowed to fill it in with the idea that the doctor 381 00:20:55.740 --> 00:21:01.079 did just do what he said, you know, but we're not permitted to see 382 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:01.319 that. 383 00:21:01.380 --> 00:21:02.880 It never happens on screen. 384 00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:08.640 Yeah, I think, I think, though, what sort of mollifies that is the 385 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:12.900 doctor explains that the reason he was so cruel about getting 386 00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:17.940 Clara to bring Maisie is because it's been established that Gus is 387 00:21:17.940 --> 00:21:19.259 monitoring the phone calls. 388 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:20.759 Yeah. 389 00:21:20.819 --> 00:21:21.779 You know? 390 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:25.440 Yeah, no, but he also needed to her to be in the lab so that they 391 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:30.299 could get the telemetry or whatever by observing another death. 392 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:30.960 Oh, totally. 393 00:21:31.019 --> 00:21:35.880 But if it had gone after Maisie and she wasn't in the lab, she 394 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:36.299 would have died. 395 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:38.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 396 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:40.619 And there's the line, isn't there? 397 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:43.380 where the doctor says sometimes the only choices you've got are 398 00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:46.079 bad choices, but you still have to choose. 399 00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:49.500 And so he has his moral compass. 400 00:21:49.500 --> 00:21:52.019 And he said, this is for the greater good. 401 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:55.259 This is to save the few people who are still alive. 402 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:58.980 And he says I would have kept sacrificing person after person 403 00:21:58.980 --> 00:22:02.519 after person to get the answer so that I could rescue whoever was 404 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:02.819 left. 405 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.000 So he does have a moral compass. 406 00:22:06.059 --> 00:22:09.299 It might be an uncomfortable moral compass, but it is there. 407 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:13.559 You see, I think that what's central to the problem is that the 408 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:20.220 doctor lies. and the thing that makes it seem that he's doing a 409 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:23.279 terrible thing is when he gets Clara to lie to Maisie to say the 410 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:24.599 doctor can save you. 411 00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:29.880 And so he lures her into the lab with sort of false hope. 412 00:22:29.940 --> 00:22:34.680 And so when you look at it just from a pure body count point of 413 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.779 view, it's fine. 414 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:40.740 The doctor's, what the doctor does is probably morally obligatory 415 00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:42.059 he probably has to do that. 416 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:47.279 It's the right thing to do, but is just giving people false hope 417 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.859 is lying to people all the time the right thing to do. 418 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:55.019 And I think that characterising the doctor and Clara's 419 00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:59.940 relationship is being about being furtive and lying and not 420 00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:03.960 telling each other the truth, culminating in just a big massive 421 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:09.119 lie that Clara tells the doctor at the very end, you know, that's 422 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:13.079 interesting, and it's something that Moffat's doctor has been 423 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:14.220 doing for a long time. 424 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:18.180 Offence doctor lies about why he takes Amy on board. 425 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.779 He's interested in the crack, but he tells her some story. 426 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:24.599 You know, he doesn't tell her about her pregnancy. 427 00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:30.059 Moffatt's doctor is a liar and that's what we're looking at here, I 428 00:23:30.059 --> 00:23:30.299 think. 429 00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:43.380 I just had Tom Baker's voice in my head for some reason. 430 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.420 Well, of course, the doctor is a liar. 431 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.160 He doesn't read the script pages. 432 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:47.880 He's not in. 433 00:23:48.059 --> 00:23:49.380 You can't know these things. 434 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:57.660 But like for me, you know, the best version of the grumpy 435 00:23:57.660 --> 00:24:02.339 problematic doctor is always my go-to, which is Tom in horror fang 436 00:24:02.339 --> 00:24:06.660 rock, you know, because he's really, really horrible to all of 437 00:24:06.660 --> 00:24:10.019 those people. and really kind of contemptuous of them, even as 438 00:24:10.019 --> 00:24:11.579 he's trying to save them. 439 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:18.480 But he doesn't do to them what he does here in this story. you 440 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:23.460 know, like that, but at the end where um, Leila asks what's 441 00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:27.059 happened to skin sale and he just says died with honour. 442 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:31.079 And it's a sort of throwaway line, but here you get Capaldi, who 443 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:35.400 is kind of openly contemptuous about people dying like he is in 444 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:39.480 Into the Dalek, and kind of like he is with the professor here 445 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.059 where he can't save the professor. 446 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:43.799 He doesn't intend to save the professor. 447 00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:47.099 He's just going to get as much information as he can off the 448 00:24:47.099 --> 00:24:50.460 professor and he just openly says that to him and fails to 449 00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:53.940 empathise in any way with him about his impending death. 450 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.500 So he's worse, I think. than Tom then. 451 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:02.279 I'm glad you mentioned the professor because his relationship with 452 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:06.779 the professor and his relationship with Captain Quell is very 453 00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:10.200 interesting because with Captain Quell, he's super dismissive on 454 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:10.619 him. 455 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:14.099 Captain Quayle is the one that believes the doctor is a mystery 456 00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:18.299 shopper until he arrests him. which I'm sure a lot of retail 457 00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:20.160 people want to do with mystery shoppers. 458 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:26.519 But him being dismissive of Captain Quell does have some little 459 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:28.799 barbs in there about soldiering again. 460 00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:30.660 Yeah, yeah. 461 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:34.500 Whereas, yeah, whereas Professor Morehouse, which along with 462 00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:37.079 Maisie is a name that was originally dropped from Flatline, which 463 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:37.859 was written before this. 464 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.940 Um, with Professor Morehouse, like the professor is a fellow 465 00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:42.480 academic. 466 00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:44.039 So he's sort of chummy, chummy, chummy. 467 00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:47.579 But during the death scenes, Professor Morehouse is useless 468 00:25:47.579 --> 00:25:52.559 whereas Captain Quell reports until the very last 2nd because he 469 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:54.539 understands how important the information is. 470 00:25:54.539 --> 00:26:00.720 And the doctor is actually chastened by Perkins when the doctor 471 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.000 starts jumping around and doing his rationalisation thing and 472 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:08.160 Perkins is like, he's just died, you know, and I just found that 473 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.279 so interesting that the doctor, again, is siding with an academic 474 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.500 over a soldier and dismissing the soldier, but it's actually the 475 00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:19.559 soldier who is the more noble character in that moment of death. 476 00:26:19.859 --> 00:26:22.799 So he's properly redeemed, isn't he? 477 00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:25.440 So this is David Bamba who always plays kind of Weasley 478 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:26.160 characters. 479 00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:32.700 So he's, you know, Cicero in Rome and his Mr. Collins famously in 480 00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:33.779 Pride and Prejudice. 481 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:39.539 And so he is kind of pathetic. but he is redeemed, isn't he? 482 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:41.759 By the way that he faces his death. 483 00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.759 And, you know, he even feels redeemed. 484 00:26:44.819 --> 00:26:50.640 Like he feels like he's somehow paid for being quite so pathetic 485 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:51.119 early on. 486 00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:53.579 So I think he's really terrific. 487 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.759 And that is another thing as well, because one of the things about 488 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:02.700 this series is the soldier thing, and the number of aliens that 489 00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:08.759 are soldiers, so the mummy is a soldier, the Skovox blitzer is a 490 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:09.359 soldier. 491 00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:14.039 In both cases, the doctor defeats the monster by responding to it 492 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:19.019 as a soldier, whether it's the enemy who surrenders or the 493 00:27:19.019 --> 00:27:22.259 commanding officer who tells him to stand down. 494 00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:29.640 And I am still not sure that this whole soldier thing works or 495 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:33.420 what the intention of it is or where it's going or why it's 496 00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:37.740 suddenly here, but it is striking that you've got 2 soldiers here 497 00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:39.960 the mummy and Quell. 498 00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:44.460 And you might add the doctor, at least in the way he plays that 499 00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:49.440 scene, is a very understanding person of authority. 500 00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:52.559 I mean, that's exactly how an officer is supposed to. 501 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:57.359 Yeah, and yeah, and Danny kind of accuses him of being like an 502 00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.519 officer in caretaker. 503 00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:01.019 Exactly. and you are a good dalek. 504 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:05.160 This is a whole series of mirrors and opposites and similarities. 505 00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:07.380 So Clara is actually the anti-doctor. 506 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.700 By now we're seeing all the flaws that she's pointed out in this 507 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:14.640 doctor are actually her own, a whole lot of projection and 508 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:15.059 reflection. 509 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:20.940 I should mention that David Bamber also played Hitler in was it 510 00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:21.839 Brian Singer? 511 00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:23.279 Anyway, in Valkyrie. 512 00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:27.059 Did anyone watch camping, Julia Davis's camping? 513 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.000 Because he was, oh, God, it's the darkest thing. 514 00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:31.859 You think 90 90 is dark. 515 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.480 And he plays Noel. 516 00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:38.039 So that would be my pick of the week for tragic circumstances. 517 00:28:38.099 --> 00:28:41.519 But yeah, he always has that gorgeous soft face that looks like 518 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.920 you just want to squish it in and put a currant in it, don't you? 519 00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:45.599 Glaze it. 520 00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:49.500 It's really odd because he turned up recently in an episode of 521 00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:52.980 Endeavour, which is the Inspector Morse prequel that we've got in 522 00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:57.779 the UK, and he looks exactly like Staff Sergeant Arnold from the 523 00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:00.960 web of fear in that day, a police officer. 524 00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:06.180 He has turned into what's his face, whose name has now... 525 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.079 Jack Walgart. 526 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.880 He has absolutely the great big bushy sideburns the whole lot. 527 00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:13.259 It was wonderful to see. 528 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:18.359 That's glorious. so good Also in the cast. 529 00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:22.200 I'd like to mention, as the, as I previously mentioned, Professor 530 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:27.779 Morehouse, who is Christopher Villiers, with a long acting career 531 00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:31.140 one of the early roles of which was in Doctor Who, the King's 532 00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:31.799 Demons. 533 00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:34.920 Yes, he played the sarcophagus, no. 534 00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:36.480 Yes, he was huge. 535 00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:37.740 There was one in that as well. 536 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:39.180 Yes, he was huge. 537 00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:40.680 He's lost his hair. 538 00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:43.559 He's lost his highlights in the years. 539 00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:45.599 Really serious highlights, did he? 540 00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:46.500 We all, yeah. 541 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:51.839 The mediaeval times, they were quite impressive. was the 80s. 542 00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:56.220 Yeah, Gene Marsh just occasionally run those fingernails through. 543 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.420 Phileas has had a great career too, but Emmerdale, he was in 544 00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:03.900 Emmerdale. 545 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:05.519 I think that's where he made his big name, isn't it? 546 00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:06.420 We didn't really see it here. 547 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:11.279 Asach, but he's the descendant of the 1st Earl of Clarendon, isn't 548 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:11.400 he? 549 00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:13.079 Oh there you go. 550 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:13.859 Yes. 551 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.619 So, you know, love I love it when they crawl up from the depths 552 00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:18.119 and make it on the turtle. 553 00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:24.180 I mean, also in the cast, we've got Frank Skinner. 554 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:24.720 Yes. 555 00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:28.920 The biggest doctor fan of all time, allegedly. 556 00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:32.519 It's a very interesting performance from Frank Skinner, isn't it? 557 00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:34.680 Because he starts off. playing himself. 558 00:30:34.740 --> 00:30:38.519 Yeah, because he starts off almost a bit sinister and a bit too 559 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.579 knowing and a bit too, I know. 560 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:42.180 Like I said. 561 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:50.519 And then he sort of, but it's quite a naturalistic performance and 562 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.700 quite flat in lots of ways as well. 563 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:57.539 And I can never quite get a handle on whether it's a really great 564 00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.660 performance and he's really sort of inhabiting the character and 565 00:31:00.660 --> 00:31:02.700 it being, or he's just not very good. 566 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.779 Have you heard his radio stuff site? 567 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:12.180 There's a really gorgeous thing on BBC 4, probably 4 extra now 568 00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:15.119 that our Antipodines listen to because there's no longer an 569 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:16.980 outpost sharder, darn it. 570 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.579 And that's, um, and that's Frank Skinner's. 571 00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:22.140 Oh, it's look, you can Google it. 572 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.000 It's one of those things where he does it, the worst of the 573 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:24.240 world. 574 00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:26.039 It's like Charlie Brooker's stuff. 575 00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:30.420 But that is him, and that is his tone, and his cynicism and his 576 00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:33.779 dryness, and his stand-up as always, and he was a pretty big stand 577 00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:36.119 up guy, you know, of a decade or so ago. 578 00:31:36.180 --> 00:31:37.319 He was yeah. 579 00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:41.279 I think that final scene where with just him and the doctor. 580 00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:44.880 Yeah, and it's obviously important because it's telling us that 581 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.079 the doctor was telling the truth. 582 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.079 But it also does talk about the cost. 583 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:52.980 There's some kind of subtext about the cost of doing what it is 584 00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:54.000 the doctor does. 585 00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:58.319 And it's kind of like a throwaway line about, you know, if I was 586 00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:02.400 to hang around down under your console and fix it. 587 00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:05.400 That's the sort of thing that would take forever and doing that 588 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:06.720 would change a man. 589 00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:11.759 And Capaldi makes some gag about regeneration, like, but there is 590 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:15.539 something just at the very end about the cost of being the doctor 591 00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:16.740 I think. 592 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:21.299 And yeah, like I think that that's, that he's, he's reasonably 593 00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:21.599 good. 594 00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:25.619 What we do have as well is John's session. 595 00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:27.599 Oh yes, is gust. 596 00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:30.059 Oh, thank you. 597 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:31.619 Yeah, it's on the list. 598 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.359 The late great John Sessions. 599 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:34.259 What do you mean late? 600 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:35.220 Don't tell me. 601 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.200 I didn't realise we had lost it. 602 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:37.859 Yeah, in a while ago. 603 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.720 In the last 12 months, I think. 604 00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:43.740 Because I listened to him on BBC 4 as we're entertained by the 605 00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:46.980 dead, as Nathan went off and said, all the time. have you seen his 606 00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:48.299 screen test for the 8th doctor? 607 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.559 Oh, no, really? 608 00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:50.160 Really? 609 00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:50.819 You haven't seen it? 610 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:51.660 It's fantastic. 611 00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:56.579 And that's, and you know, he did the, he did the audio death comes 612 00:32:56.579 --> 00:32:57.000 to time. 613 00:32:57.059 --> 00:33:00.660 I think it led on, apart from the fact that he's known as it, not 614 00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:04.740 only, he's he almost, whatever, spectrum, but he's genius at 615 00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:08.279 recollection, he's always winning quiz shows for his knowledge of 616 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:12.660 the classics and for British literature, but he's also, um 617 00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:17.220 fantastic for voices and he could do anybody. so to speak. 618 00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:20.160 And they often did. 619 00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:22.259 It's the theatre after all. 620 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.920 But he's his death comes to time performance is fantastic, but 621 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.440 honestly, please have a look at his screen test. 622 00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:29.700 You think, you should have been a doctor. 623 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.339 Like, it's a very strange sort of performance. 624 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.039 It is only the voice, but it's not treated in any way. 625 00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:37.319 It does, so it's not a computer voice. 626 00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:39.059 It just sounds like a person's voice. 627 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.579 And the symbol appears to be a monocle. 628 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:42.539 Is that right? 629 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:47.220 As if he's like Gus is an older guy who's wearing a monocle and 630 00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:50.279 that's sort of trying to characterise him in some way. 631 00:33:50.339 --> 00:33:54.059 We never find out who that is and that's okay, right? 632 00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:56.220 Is that okay? 633 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:57.420 Yeah, that's absolutely fine. 634 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:02.220 I think it was cited by a lot of fans at the time of, oh, well, who 635 00:34:02.220 --> 00:34:02.940 was behind this? 636 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:03.599 What was this? 637 00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:06.779 This is a big problem, but actually, it doesn't really matter 638 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.019 unless it was going to be a big thing later on. 639 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:11.340 It doesn't matter at all. 640 00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:12.719 It's something that happened. 641 00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:16.139 And I love the way that Gus has spent lots of time trying to get 642 00:34:16.139 --> 00:34:19.739 the doctor interested and get him on the ship to try and sort this 643 00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:22.260 out sort of over the years, which is great. 644 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.380 No, he did the phone call at the end of the Big Bang. 645 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:26.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 646 00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:29.039 So I think he's the Rani. 647 00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:34.860 You know, the Rani's obviously regenerated into gust. 648 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.639 That seems perfectly reasonable and consistent with the theme of 649 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:40.019 the season as a whole. 650 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:40.920 Yeah. 651 00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:47.460 I believe that thanks to Fox's performance of don't stop me now 652 00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:51.960 that this may be the only televised Doctor Who to feature the term 653 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:52.980 sex machine. 654 00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:55.559 Yeah, although... 655 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.679 Yeah, Billy and Sir Charles and the War Machines. 656 00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:01.559 I mean, it got very heated. 657 00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:03.780 That's war machine. 658 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:05.219 That's your version. 659 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:09.000 Look, I think it's almost certain to happen again in series 14. 660 00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:10.980 So you don't get too excited. 661 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.179 Well, yeah, we've all seen that tailoring. 662 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.039 Exactly. 663 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:31.500 Oh my goodness, Jenna, in your tiny little tableau, our thing that 664 00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:34.139 you're wearing that looks like it's been nicked off an altar and 665 00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:34.920 just thrown off. 666 00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:35.519 It really does. 667 00:35:35.579 --> 00:35:36.360 I can't... 668 00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:36.900 There's not a lot. 669 00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:40.320 There's not a lot of mystery and that said as game and sitting 670 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:40.800 here. 671 00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:43.380 Imagine how the little straight boys in the audience were managing 672 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:43.559 it. 673 00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:46.860 Si, I want to know what you think if you're an Avengers fan like 674 00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:48.179 what Brandy and I are. 675 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.940 But I just keep looking at her thinking, there's the new Emma 676 00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:51.360 Peel. 677 00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:52.619 There's the new appeal. 678 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.599 No, she'd be Perth. 679 00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:56.159 She looks like a young rig. 680 00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:58.320 And, you know, it's from the same part of the UK. 681 00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:02.579 I just know that she would have loved to toss all of these men off 682 00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:10.800 her shoulder. and do it adroitly and with great elan and I think 683 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.219 you know, great satisfaction hearing their spines crunch as they 684 00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:15.059 hit the deck of the train. 685 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.440 Yeah, this sounds almost exactly like the... 686 00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:23.039 No, the tag for this week's episode of Flight 3 and Time. 687 00:36:23.099 --> 00:36:23.639 Oh, really? 688 00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:25.920 Which you forgotten recording, but was all of that. 689 00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:26.699 Yes. 690 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.099 It's a good point. 691 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.219 Except it was her beating up Ben Miller, which would be even more 692 00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:35.940 satisfying. 693 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.920 Never say no, never say no. 694 00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:39.719 Is she underserved here? 695 00:36:39.780 --> 00:36:43.980 I got a sense of the, you know, to, again, to step outside, the 696 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:46.739 actor herself is somewhat frustrated, but I don't think there's 697 00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:49.199 any reason to be because, you know, this is what the show does. 698 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.760 I think she had an incredible thing last week and I think that she 699 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.940 has a really central role here that gives her proper things to 700 00:36:56.940 --> 00:36:57.119 do. 701 00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:57.840 Okay. 702 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.980 And, you know, like companions who complained about falling over 703 00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:04.320 and screaming at the monsters and all of that sort of thing. 704 00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:06.539 Like she doesn't really do any of that. 705 00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.719 It is all about her relationship with Danny, her relationship with 706 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:10.260 the doctor. 707 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.579 It's something interesting and also the moral peril that she's in 708 00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:17.460 by admiring the doctor and wanting to be the doctor. 709 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.079 No, and even when she's locked up, she's still got lots of agency 710 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.800 and she's still investigating and she's still working things out. 711 00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:29.280 So she does the whole thing with the sarcophagus, which is vital 712 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.079 to what's coming as well. 713 00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:34.079 So it's that missing piece of the puzzle for the doctor. 714 00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:38.699 So it's not like she's, she's just sat in a cell whimpering. 715 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.599 She's she's investigating and she's helping Maisie through that 716 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:43.500 whole thing as well. 717 00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.119 That's great. 718 00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:46.559 That's sarcophagus, isn't it? 719 00:37:46.619 --> 00:37:50.639 Because you think it's generating them, mommy. she's just popping 720 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:51.300 the bubble wrap. 721 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:52.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 722 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.199 They're supposed to put the mummy in it once they catch it. 723 00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:56.219 Yeah, brilliant. 724 00:37:56.820 --> 00:38:01.380 Yeah, I think I think in terms of Jenna's ability. 725 00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:05.039 Like, she's definitely a lead. 726 00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:06.960 Oh, yeah. 727 00:38:07.019 --> 00:38:10.019 I get the feeling that in order to keep her, they give her a 728 00:38:10.019 --> 00:38:11.280 really interesting arc this year. 729 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:15.659 And then she asks to stay on and Stephen Moffatt and Peter Cabell 730 00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:19.980 to go, of course, you know, the wisdom of that decision we'll 731 00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:20.880 discuss next season. 732 00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:24.599 But it's kind of like when you have someone that good and they 733 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:26.159 want to stay, you don't want to let them go. 734 00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:30.119 And at the same time, I feel like to want to stick around, she 735 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.960 must have been for the most part satisfied with the material. 736 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.739 And of course, we've seen since then she's gone from strength to 737 00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:38.219 strength. 738 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.820 She came out here and did that that miniseries that was amazing 739 00:38:41.820 --> 00:38:46.679 and right now I think she's on stage in the West End, as we 740 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:47.280 record. 741 00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:52.920 Um, she's kind of got that quality where, you know, with modern 742 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:56.460 Doctor Who, we've said it before, the companion is a co-lead to 743 00:38:56.460 --> 00:38:59.579 the series, but they are still 2nd billing. 744 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.079 Yeah, yeah. 745 00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:02.880 And she will get topbelling this year. 746 00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:08.880 I think Murray Gold's having a really good week this week and is 747 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.980 taking his cues from Christopher Gunning's schools for Poirot. 748 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.960 So he's really... 749 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.219 He's really hits it. 750 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.699 So it doesn't feel like a Murray gold score. 751 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.639 It feels like an ITV's Agafa Christie's score. 752 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.739 So it feels slightly, slightly up above what he's usually doing. 753 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.400 So I think it really fits the setting and he really, he's having a 754 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:32.820 great week. 755 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:33.960 So true. 756 00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:37.320 I love the Doctor Who's got to the point where they can just say 757 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.059 uh, it's in space and everyone's dressing like the 1920s and if 758 00:39:42.059 --> 00:39:45.000 you don't like it or if you want an explanation, you can just get 759 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:45.599 staffed. 760 00:39:45.659 --> 00:39:46.739 Exactly. 761 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.940 One of the scientists is just Albert Einstein. 762 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.800 That's the air. 763 00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:53.760 Yeah, yeah. 764 00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:56.579 And things like that. a little throwaway gadge. 765 00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:02.219 I like the bald guy, the bald ginger guy with a big... 766 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.139 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 767 00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:06.119 And the hipster moustache should be. 768 00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:07.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah. brilliant. 769 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.659 One unfortunate thing that comes about when they condense the plot 770 00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:16.619 and condense the characters is originally Maisie was a scientist. 771 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.059 Oh, okay. 772 00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:19.260 And one of the researchers. 773 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.099 And while there are 2 women scientists, they don't get any 774 00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:23.579 dialogue. 775 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:24.599 No. 776 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.579 Like all the other experts and men. 777 00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:29.280 And again, I don't think it's a conscious thing because Maisie is 778 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:30.059 a strong role. 779 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:31.980 Clara has a strong role in this. 780 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.119 We'll have PC Forrest next week from Jamie Matherson, who's a very 781 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:38.280 quick role, but also a very strong role. 782 00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:43.139 But yeah, it's it's a bit like the problems in the caretaker where 783 00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:48.599 it seems like no one's thought about, Oh, actually maybe we need 784 00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:49.559 to tweak this slightly. 785 00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:56.099 In fact, next week, despite the detective constable, it's a very 786 00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:57.960 male cast as well. 787 00:40:58.019 --> 00:40:59.219 Yeah, yeah. 788 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:04.920 And I feel the need to mention this because Nathan, at the 789 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:06.900 beginning, you said, you know, Doctor's the only show where we can 790 00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:09.719 have this mummy in space and it's actually assault, da da. 791 00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:13.920 And I always feel the need to mention Babylon 5 so that Nathan can 792 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.159 say. 793 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.900 I've never heard of it. 794 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:16.980 Right. 795 00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:23.280 So the 1st proper episode of Babylon 5 in production, which ended 796 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:27.360 up being the 4th broadcasting is an episode called Infection, where 797 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:35.519 none other than Dave McCallum, a.k.a. um, brings aboard an alien 798 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:40.440 artefact which turns uh, someone into an alien undead super 799 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:44.039 soldier fighting a long forgotten war who is defeated by being 800 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.039 told that the war is over. and self-destructs. 801 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:48.719 Wow. 802 00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:51.360 And Jamie Matheson is a Babylon 5 fan. 803 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.920 Is this episode better than Matt Babylon 5 episode? 804 00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:56.639 Yes. 805 00:41:56.699 --> 00:41:57.420 Yeah. 806 00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:58.139 Yeah. 807 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:03.360 Like, even JMS looks at that Babylon 5 episode and says, we wanted 808 00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.300 to give the network a monster of the week episode, so they weren't 809 00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:11.280 too scared of us being all sort of political intrigue, and that's 810 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:12.599 also why we had the boxing episode. 811 00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:14.159 Oh my god. 812 00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:17.340 They had a boxing episode before Galactica did. 813 00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:18.659 Yeah. 814 00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:20.340 And unlike Battlesar Galactica. 815 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.139 There's no hugging, no learning. 816 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.019 It's just hitting me. hugging. 817 00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:55.860 Well, they whistle, that's all we have time for this week. 818 00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:00.599 We'll be back next week for a romance of many dimensions in flat 819 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:00.840 line. 820 00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:04.679 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 821 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.219 and you can keep up with us on our website, FlightthroughEntirety 822 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:11.039 com, where you'll find links to our accounts on Facebook, Twitter 823 00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.880 and Mastodon, as well as links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger 824 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.900 Jody Intertara, maximum power, and untitled Star Trek project. 825 00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:22.440 Until next time, remember that when there's a lethal spectral 826 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.920 mummy wandering around your workplace, it's perfectly reasonable 827 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.480 to crawl into a bottle. 828 00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:29.820 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 829 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.780 Good night. 830 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:31.619 Goodbye. 831 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:32.940 Yeah, good thening. 832 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:41.340 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley 833 00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:44.400 Siheart, Brendan Jones, and Richard Stone. theme arrangement by 834 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.360 Cameron Lamb. 835 00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:48.719 This episode, Dangle Yolallis, was recorded on the 30th of April 836 00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:51.179 2023, and released on the 4th of June. 837 00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:56.099 After this week's revelation about Janet Henfrey, we'll be 838 00:43:56.099 --> 00:43:59.460 petitioning Bad World Studios, to create a whole new Doctor Who 839 00:43:59.460 --> 00:44:03.239 subgenre, in which Janet Henfree confronts a series of undead 840 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:07.500 monsters, including Janet versus a Ghost, Janet versus the Bride 841 00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:10.980 of Frankenstein, and Janet versus John Pertween, Return from the 842 00:44:10.980 --> 00:44:12.599 Dead as a Cyberman. 843 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.719 Uh, I don't know. 844 00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:17.460 Does anyone have a closing statement? 845 00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:18.000 How are we doing? 846 00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:19.079 We've done very good. 847 00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:19.800 I feel like last night. 848 00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:20.280 Yeah. 849 00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:21.840 Have we left stuff out? 850 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.019 No, because it's all very straightforward. 851 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:26.880 The mummy comes and kills people until it stops. 852 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:28.440 We talked about... 853 00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:29.039 Christie. 854 00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:33.059 Have we talked about the universal, Charles, the Lemle horror film 855 00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:33.599 The Mummy? 856 00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:35.760 There's really, I watched it. 857 00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:37.199 There's really nothing to say other than it. 858 00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:44.760 This is completely different. refreshing. completely different. 859 00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:45.420 All right. 860 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:46.199 Well, I think we're done. 861 00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:47.400 I think I'll find a thing. 862 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:48.539 There's a thing. 863 00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.579 It can all be made into a thing. 864 00:44:50.699 --> 00:44:52.500 There was good stuff. 865 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:54.239 Good stuff. 866 00:44:54.300 --> 00:44:55.860 It's such a great episode. 867 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.300 Two really good episodes today. 868 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:58.500 It's funny, isn't it? 869 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.559 And the doctor gets to do the, are you my mummy joke as well? 870 00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:03.599 Oh, my God. again. 871 00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:07.860 Again, he does it in the poison sky as well, doesn't he? 872 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:08.340 Yeah. 873 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.519 Yeah. and I and I really loved, Oh, you really hated your grand. 874 00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.139 Oh, and she did poison your pony. 875 00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:13.619 You were right. 876 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.539 And your dog. 877 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:19.320 That's funny. 878 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.340 I am going to go and watch that immediately so that I can just 879 00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:29.219 take in all of her Janet Henfreeness, which I never know. can't 880 00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:29.699 believe it. 881 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.639 I think she is even into... 882 00:45:32.699 --> 00:45:34.619 I know, I know. crazy. 883 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.139 I think she is old lady. 884 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.880 And then didn't look at anyone. 885 00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:43.920 I think she is very briefly interviewed on the Doctor Who extra 886 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:49.019 and just kind of goes, you know, it's it's 25 years and I'm back 887 00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:49.800 on Doctor Who. 888 00:45:49.980 --> 00:45:51.480 Awesome. 889 00:45:51.539 --> 00:45:56.099 So good And she was magnificent in Fenrick as well. 890 00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:57.000 So great.