WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 15:37:27 1 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.920 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:43.979 --> 00:00:50.039 The only Doctor Who podcast recorded with the unreserved approval of all of our husbands and boyfriends. 3 00:00:50.100 --> 00:00:51.539 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:53.039 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:53.100 --> 00:00:58.320 I'm Si, and I'm your mystery shopper for today in Adam Richards vice. 6 00:00:59.579 --> 00:01:09.659 Well, there's really only one show in the history of television that would do an alien soldier mummy on the Orient Express in space, and so naturally, that's what Doctor Who is doing this week. 7 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:13.019 But will it be enough to keep Clara from leaving? 8 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:16.140 Let's find out as we discuss Mummy on the Orient Express. 9 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:36.420 So this is actually really good, isn't it? 10 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:37.319 Oh, yeah. 11 00:01:37.379 --> 00:01:38.159 Mm. 12 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:44.640 And right from the very beginning, I think, so this is directed by Paul, I want to say, Paul Wilmshurst. 13 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:45.480 Yes. 14 00:01:45.540 --> 00:01:46.140 That's it. 15 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:51.480 So he's already done Killer Moon, which everyone thinks is fantastic and we were unanimous in our praise of that. 16 00:01:51.540 --> 00:01:57.900 So he did that and he'll come back for last Christmas, but this has a really, really striking opening, doesn't it? 17 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:10.740 And it does something that Doctor Who, I think, has never, ever done before, which is that on screen, countdown, which I just think is so amazing and so brilliant, because it's like an old-fashioned sort of cyberpunk thing. 18 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:12.300 You know, it's got the rolling numbers. 19 00:02:12.419 --> 00:02:15.539 It's not stupid or digital or sort of matted on. 20 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.340 It's like it's a bit of a machine. 21 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:24.900 And I'm not quite sure why we're suddenly allowed to do this on Doctor Who, but I'm awfully glad that we are. 22 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:29.939 What I loved about the countdown was that it fitted the setting. 23 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.300 It felt like it belonged on the Orient Express. 24 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.099 So it wasn't out of place at all. 25 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:36.360 Yeah, yeah. 26 00:02:36.419 --> 00:02:37.020 Yeah. 27 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:42.180 And I thought this sort of thing, you were only allowed to do it if you were projecting numbers onto Louise Pedro's face. 28 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.000 Yes, but they were diagetic. 29 00:02:45.060 --> 00:02:46.199 Yeah. 30 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:48.479 Hi, Louise. 31 00:02:51.539 --> 00:02:54.300 But I mean, the whole look of it is pretty amazing, isn't it? 32 00:02:54.419 --> 00:03:02.099 And I guess it comes to us via Voyage of the Damned, and it's sort of basically the same idea. 33 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:07.319 Although I think this is Earth future or something, not that we really care at all. 34 00:03:07.379 --> 00:03:19.319 I think Mrs. Pitt very early on says, is this a fancy dress night and she's told, no, it isn't, even though everyone's dressed like it's the 1920s and they're on BRA Express. 35 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:20.520 So it's all terribly silly. 36 00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:36.659 And in the 1st version of me actually saying this, which we've carefully edited out, I suddenly saw Richard leaning over saying, I don't know what happens to girls like you, Dangria Lally's down at Maiden's point. at this time of an evening. 37 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.000 I had literally never known that. 38 00:03:39.060 --> 00:03:47.280 And I actually copied the cast list off the time. page into my notes and didn't even notice Janet Henfrey's name. 39 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:48.539 You know what's so freaky? 40 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:50.039 You know what's so freaky? 41 00:03:50.099 --> 00:03:51.960 She looks exactly the same. 42 00:03:52.020 --> 00:03:53.819 Yeah, well, she's got that. 43 00:03:54.060 --> 00:03:59.460 Yeah, she has that life preserver thing under a chair. those bandages stretch a long way, don't they? 44 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:09.840 And she'll continue looking exactly the same for Sill, the devil seeds of Arador in a few years. 45 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:13.800 Well, that's tremendous. 46 00:04:13.860 --> 00:04:14.699 That's made my evening. 47 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.319 I don't think we even need to talk about this. 48 00:04:16.379 --> 00:04:19.920 I thought this was a suburb episode and now it's got N-free in it. 49 00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:23.279 I don't think it could be possibly any better. 50 00:04:23.459 --> 00:04:30.360 It's a pretty incredibly well-directed and beautifully done pre-credit sequence. 51 00:04:30.420 --> 00:04:31.740 Yeah. 52 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:37.980 I'm just imagining, you know, Janet Henry gets the script and it's like the undead monster touches her face and she died. 53 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:38.699 Oh, not again. 54 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.319 She's really good. 55 00:04:46.379 --> 00:04:54.480 I desperately hope Andy Pryor like picked her because he loved her work in Curse of Fenrick and just thought, yeah, she's perfect for me. 56 00:04:54.540 --> 00:04:55.500 I shall have her. 57 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:14.639 That's glorious. so good This episode and Flatline are double banked, which is why Clara spends half of this episode locked in a room and the doctor will spend half of an episode locked in a room next week. 58 00:05:14.939 --> 00:05:27.779 Originally, you know, Clara gets teleported to a pyramid and put into a sarcophagus and wrapped in similar photohole bandages and there were a whole bunch of foretolds and what have you. 59 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:29.519 And a bit like, we'll hear next week. 60 00:05:29.579 --> 00:05:33.660 Stephen Moffat said, okay, Jamie, this is great, but television, doctor in your budget. 61 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:35.100 Smaller. 62 00:05:35.819 --> 00:05:38.819 No, we're not going to crash the train into a planet. 63 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.959 It's actually amazingly simple and straightforward, isn't it? 64 00:05:43.019 --> 00:05:45.899 It really is exactly what it says on the tin. 65 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.959 And the monster is fantastic. 66 00:05:49.019 --> 00:05:51.180 I mean, it's just beautifully well designed. 67 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.519 The performance is really great. 68 00:05:53.579 --> 00:06:00.180 It's properly terrifying and it kills what 5 people, 4 or 5 people during the course. 69 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:06.180 It felt like it should have been the Christmas special or a part of one of the Christmas things anyway. 70 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:16.620 And as you say, like a big box of McRobinson's quality street and a reassuring amount of old people die, which is just what you often want at Christmas. 71 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:23.399 Well, I mean, it does have that sort of voyage of the damned thing about it. 72 00:06:23.459 --> 00:06:37.319 And obviously the idea of the Orient Express in space is an idea that Moffatt had burned up once before at the end of Big Bang. 73 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:42.300 And he does have a line of dialogue in here to kind of make that okay and like whatever. 74 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:43.620 I'm sure that that's fine. 75 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:48.540 But was it an Egyptian goddess on the Orient Express last time? 76 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:49.620 That's right. 77 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:49.980 Yeah. 78 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:54.600 Who had broken out and was, yeah, he was supposed to go off and investigate that. 79 00:06:54.660 --> 00:07:05.339 There was a sort of a feeling that that was going to be the Christmas special for Matt's 1st Christmas special for a little while and then a Christmas carol happened instead and it was just never followed up on. 80 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:11.939 So to finally sort of get here, felt like it'd been a long time coming and they're actually going to do it. 81 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:12.720 Okay, this is great. 82 00:07:12.779 --> 00:07:25.920 You know, it's absolutely impossible for me to imagine that a Christmas carol is the only thing that Moffatt ever imagined doing for his 1st ever Christmas special and that he'd been dreaming of doing it since he was five. 83 00:07:25.980 --> 00:07:31.620 Like it's, uh, it's so exactly what you would expect him to do. 84 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:40.920 But, you know, Moffat is a big one for recycling his own ideas. and I'm absolutely happy that he's done that here. 85 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:52.439 It does make me wonder though, given that we know what does happen immediately after the Big Bang, what was it exactly that distracted the doctor? 86 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.959 Because we know what happens in those bunk beds immediately after the big bank. 87 00:07:58.019 --> 00:08:00.120 Yes, we do know that. 88 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:05.759 So do you think there was sort of banging on the walls of his bedroom and... 89 00:08:05.819 --> 00:08:13.199 He thinks a solenoid needs realigning and so he goes and tinkers with something and they end up on the planet Christmas. 90 00:08:13.259 --> 00:08:13.800 No. 91 00:08:13.860 --> 00:08:15.420 No, Christmas is... 92 00:08:15.420 --> 00:08:16.379 Christmas is... 93 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:21.959 Sonic Town. that's right They end up on a futuristic Stephen Moffatt planet that is Christmas themed. 94 00:08:22.019 --> 00:08:23.459 Yes, exactly. 95 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:24.660 One of many. 96 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:25.680 One of many. 97 00:08:25.740 --> 00:08:38.460 Of course, what it does give is a really good chance for Capaldi and Jenna Coleman to dress up beautifully. doesn't Jenna look amazing in the 20s style clothing? 98 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:42.360 And the beautiful, her hair looks amazing. 99 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:54.480 And Capaldi is looking very pert we season seven, particularly the bow tie, and the very dark clothing, and they both look absolutely like they belong in this space. 100 00:08:54.539 --> 00:08:55.200 It's wonderful. 101 00:08:55.740 --> 00:09:19.799 For me, I think maybe the most interesting thing about this, and we're going to say something fairly similar next week, I think, probably, is that although this has a strong monster and a strong mystery and works very well as a Doctor Who story, the other thing that it does very well is to carry on what we've been doing over the past few weeks with the Doctor and Clara's relationship. 102 00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:29.820 And we said last week that that scene where Clara breaks up with a doctor is magnificent, like just a beautifully acted scene from Jenna. 103 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:33.240 And I really think that they deal with it perfectly. 104 00:09:33.299 --> 00:09:34.799 So some time has passed. 105 00:09:34.860 --> 00:09:49.019 We don't have to see the immediate fallout of that, but it has had fallout and they've decided that this is the end, that they're just going for one last adventure before saying goodbye. 106 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.200 And I think that it sold really well. 107 00:09:52.259 --> 00:10:00.000 There's that great conversation quite early on where the doctor wants to talk about planets and the planet that's made of shrubs and all of that sort of thing. 108 00:10:00.059 --> 00:10:07.980 And Clara wants to talk about their relationship, um, which is a very sort of, it's very moffety, isn't it? 109 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:11.220 That kind of conception of relationships between men and women. 110 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:22.740 Yeah, so I think we're in a situation where Jamie Matheson either knows Moffat's obsessions very well or is being nudged in that direction by Moffat. 111 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.440 But I think it works really well. 112 00:10:25.500 --> 00:10:33.720 Like I really properly buy that and I'm glad that that had a proper outcome and that it was properly picked up. 113 00:10:34.259 --> 00:10:45.120 What I loved was they both absolutely desperate to have an adventure, but neither of them want to be the one to say, let's just go with this and let's get swept along with it. 114 00:10:45.179 --> 00:10:55.139 And there's all that sort of unspoken tension and the fact that they're both creeping off to investigate stuff behind each other's backs because they want to know what's going on. 115 00:10:55.200 --> 00:11:02.100 It's a very dysfunctional relationship because they can't actually talk to each other in the way that they desperately need to. 116 00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:14.639 And so all of this is going on all the time and it sort of comes to a head right at the end of the story when Clara gives in and says she's she's on board, she's coming for the adventure, like it or not. 117 00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:15.899 She's she's there. 118 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:19.139 But this is sort of them both working that out. 119 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:27.899 In fact, does Clara react badly to the discovery that the doctor knew that something was going on here, that he'd been invited here before. 120 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:29.700 Oh, yeah, yeah. 121 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:31.679 She's like, you knew this was a thing. 122 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:33.240 And he says, well, hoped. 123 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.500 But something I really love about that early discussion. 124 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:44.279 When he's talking about the planets, it's not the Florana speech. 125 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:48.960 It's just him sharing this stuff he finds really fascinating. 126 00:11:49.019 --> 00:11:54.360 He's a little kid showing off his rock collection in that moment. 127 00:11:54.419 --> 00:12:07.080 And I think that is why Clara then opens up about how she's feeling because she gets that, you know, the doctor is expressing his emotions in the way he can and then he's really uncomfortable. 128 00:12:07.139 --> 00:12:08.879 He's like, can I talk about the planets again now? 129 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.340 because that's very, that's coming back too. 130 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.799 And she rewards, yes, you can. 131 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:19.139 You've listened to my girl stuff and now we'll go back to the planets. 132 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:21.960 I love the line wage. 133 00:12:22.019 --> 00:12:23.460 He's looking at the black hole. 134 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:26.399 He just turned around and says, I remember when all this was planned. 135 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.080 And those are brilliant. 136 00:12:34.139 --> 00:12:56.100 So this is the thing where Clara discovers that she actually can't do without the giant adventures and without the, and it's not, it's not, she doesn't express it in terms of planets and creatures and things, the way that Rose might have described her time with a doctor, what she likes is the being able to make the big decision. 137 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:01.259 Like, there's a kind of moral hazard that she finds attractive. 138 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.519 And you remember that she says to the doctor, you know, do you love it? 139 00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:12.179 Do you love being the person who gets up and makes that decision, who makes that bad decision? 140 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.299 And, you know, because he's never given it up. 141 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:17.460 And so that's what she's here for. 142 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:26.700 And I think by the end of the story, she's not staying there because she loves the doctor. 143 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.860 She's staying there because she loves the stuff, the stuff that happens. 144 00:13:31.860 --> 00:13:38.220 And she absolutely lies to the doctor about why she's there. 145 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:45.360 And even lies by saying that it was Danny's idea that they stopped seeing one another. 146 00:13:45.899 --> 00:13:48.480 Yeah, it's fascinating, isn't it? 147 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:53.039 Because she's the one who's called the doctor out for lying all the way through this adventure. 148 00:13:53.399 --> 00:14:06.720 She is really on that and pulling him up on that all the time, and then she does the ultimate lie at the very end because she can't give this up, as she said, is it like an addiction? 149 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:12.960 And for Clara, I think from this point onwards, it really is. is something she has to do. 150 00:14:13.019 --> 00:14:14.460 She can't she can't stop. 151 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:17.460 Is that the ultimate lie, though, Si? 152 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:21.779 I thought you were going to say, and that was a really interesting thread for me. 153 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:45.539 I thought you were going to say, she behaves as the moral compass of the show, not just for the doctor, his caretaker, in other words, and she's nominated, but she actually declares that the whole reason she wants to leave is that he does not display a moral human, so-called centre, and then she lies to a woman to drag her to her death because it will precede the narrative. 154 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.620 Yeah, he gets her to do it and she blames him for doing that. 155 00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:56.460 And that's the point is that she is all ego and he is all child whatever else. 156 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:01.320 And I'd love to touch on the ASD autism spectrum disorder thing. 157 00:15:01.379 --> 00:15:06.960 I have a friend who has all of this and I've been learning about that this year and watching Capaldi. 158 00:15:07.019 --> 00:15:11.399 I haven't shown him yet because he refuses to watch anything with egg cartons and silver paint. 159 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:17.940 And he's got no manners anyway, and he knows who we are. talking about. 160 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:19.080 It's true. 161 00:15:19.139 --> 00:15:20.940 But, I mean, what a rude thing to say. 162 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:31.379 But the point is, I have seen reflections of that, and I think Capaldi's betrayal of the doctor is just extraordinary spot on knowing people with the similar thing. 163 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:37.500 But even so, there is still that sense of morality and knowing truth. 164 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:43.860 And then Clara, centre of the moral universe, goes and fricking lies because, well, you tell me why she does it. 165 00:15:43.919 --> 00:16:00.120 Well, I mean, I think that she, look, this is in some senses a two-parter, because Matheson writes both of them, and we're at a crucial point in the overall arc of the series. 166 00:16:00.179 --> 00:16:09.720 And the arc of the series isn't missy and the never sphere, the arc of the series is this relationship between Clara and the doctor, complicated by her relationship with Danny. 167 00:16:09.779 --> 00:16:14.580 Moffatt's arcs aren't about key words or anything like that. 168 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:16.620 They're about relationships between the characters. 169 00:16:16.740 --> 00:16:21.659 So she gets to play the doctor and lies. 170 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:28.200 So she says to Maisie, come to the, you know, the lab, we think you're next, but we think we can save you. 171 00:16:28.259 --> 00:16:33.240 And the doctor says that as well, the doctor makes her say that. 172 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:38.460 And there's something about that call that she likes having made. 173 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:55.980 And so next week we're going to see the situation, obviously, where the doctor's indisposed and she has to play the role of the doctor, but there's a real consistency and theme between these 2 episodes, where the doctor's role is seen to be lying, even though it's for the greater good. 174 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:05.700 And I think, I think, you know, within this episode, the doctor gets saved morally by his preparedness to just take Maisie's to take, yeah, you know. 175 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:07.380 So it was the next part I was trying to go to. 176 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:12.539 The doctor just says, no, I'll be Maisie and I'll take the attack that's meant for her. 177 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:13.380 Exactly. 178 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:23.099 And when Clara plays the part of the doctor and performs that as she does in each story this year, she still doesn't reach that point, not to for me anyway, and I'm not going to jump ahead. 179 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.920 But you tell me what you all think. 180 00:17:25.980 --> 00:17:27.779 I think she's falling short. 181 00:17:27.900 --> 00:17:34.980 And I think that's exactly how Moffatt succeeds so well with his writing for others than the doctor. 182 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:36.299 I can't say companions anymore. 183 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:53.519 I don't know what the term is anymore. caretakers, but he does, he really, by pushing all of Clara's faults up to the front and centre of the screen, I guess we come to feel for her or love her more or whatever else we do with these characters. 184 00:17:53.579 --> 00:17:56.579 But I can't see Sarah Jane doing the same thing. 185 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.940 Yeah, I mean, on whom she's based, as we've discussed. 186 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:09.480 No, but I think that I think that the companions now are more complex and more interestingly characterised than they were in the classic series, the classic series. 187 00:18:09.539 --> 00:18:12.839 You would have an outline and then the actor would bring their performance. 188 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.500 The actors would do their stuff in rehearsal, which would make it worse. 189 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:22.200 I can't see Clara taking being blind and pushed down a flight of mediaeval stairs and taking that world. 190 00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:22.559 No. 191 00:18:22.619 --> 00:18:29.940 Well, I mean, she's not blind when Missy pushes her down that pit, but... 192 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:30.599 That's funny, though. 193 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:31.380 That is fair. 194 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:37.920 I mean, I mean, this laden falling down a gentle incline is also funny, but for different reasons. 195 00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:47.640 That's true. that's true This actually reminds me of something I wanted to mention this episode because, dear, this is the way we sort of record these is we do a batch and then we start releasing. 196 00:18:47.700 --> 00:19:03.420 So at the time of recording, I think I've done Listen and Kill the Moon so far, this series, I hadn't yet heard the 1st 2 episodes in which the panellists discuss the doctor mugging poor Brian Miller and stealing his coat. 197 00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:12.059 However, I would like to point out a line of dialogue. where Clara asks the doctor where his pocket watch is. 198 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.759 He exchanges the pieces for the coat. 199 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:18.480 He's lying I think we're meant to play, he's lying. 200 00:19:18.539 --> 00:19:19.920 So yeah. 201 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.559 So that's another thing too. 202 00:19:22.619 --> 00:19:35.819 So we did talk about that in deep breath, where there are 2 crucial moments where the doctor beats up Brian Miller and takes his code and the other one where he pushes the half-faced man out of the out of the restaurant to his death. 203 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:44.759 And we don't see either of them happen, which means to some degree, we're being asked to decide what we think happens. 204 00:19:44.819 --> 00:19:49.680 Not even Missy, who's watching the episode, gets to see what happens. 205 00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:53.940 She doesn't know either whether the doctors push the half-faced manner out of the door. 206 00:19:53.940 --> 00:20:02.279 And I think because we conclude that the watch thing is a lie to cover the fact that the doctor beat up Brian Miller and took his coat. 207 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:08.039 That crimes us to think that he did push the guy out the window. 208 00:20:08.099 --> 00:20:13.500 Now, what is it that we're prevented from seeing this time? 209 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:18.779 What we prevented from seeing is what happens after Clara passes out and while she's unconscious? 210 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:19.680 Yeah. 211 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:41.039 And the fact that Perkins is alive at the end suggests that the doctor is telling the truth, but I think the reason that scene is so uncomfortable is that the doctor actually says, oh, you know, I rescued everyone and then he says, oh, no, I just let them all suffocate. ha ha. 212 00:20:41.099 --> 00:20:48.299 And Clara doesn't even push back because she is now so on board that maybe she doesn't care so much. 213 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.259 There is something really, really uncomfortable about that choice. 214 00:20:52.319 --> 00:21:01.319 And we're all allowed to fill it in with the idea that the doctor did just do what he said, you know, but we're not permitted to see that. 215 00:21:01.380 --> 00:21:02.880 It never happens on screen. 216 00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:19.259 Yeah, I think, I think, though, what sort of mollifies that is the doctor explains that the reason he was so cruel about getting Clara to bring Maisie is because it's been established that Gus is monitoring the phone calls. 217 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:20.759 Yeah. 218 00:21:20.819 --> 00:21:21.779 You know? 219 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:30.299 Yeah, no, but he also needed to her to be in the lab so that they could get the telemetry or whatever by observing another death. 220 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:30.960 Oh, totally. 221 00:21:31.019 --> 00:21:36.299 But if it had gone after Maisie and she wasn't in the lab, she would have died. 222 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:38.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 223 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:40.619 And there's the line, isn't there? 224 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:46.079 where the doctor says sometimes the only choices you've got are bad choices, but you still have to choose. 225 00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:49.500 And so he has his moral compass. 226 00:21:49.500 --> 00:21:52.019 And he said, this is for the greater good. 227 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:55.259 This is to save the few people who are still alive. 228 00:21:55.319 --> 00:22:02.819 And he says I would have kept sacrificing person after person after person to get the answer so that I could rescue whoever was left. 229 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.000 So he does have a moral compass. 230 00:22:06.059 --> 00:22:09.299 It might be an uncomfortable moral compass, but it is there. 231 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:24.599 You see, I think that what's central to the problem is that the doctor lies. and the thing that makes it seem that he's doing a terrible thing is when he gets Clara to lie to Maisie to say the doctor can save you. 232 00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:29.880 And so he lures her into the lab with sort of false hope. 233 00:22:29.940 --> 00:22:36.779 And so when you look at it just from a pure body count point of view, it's fine. 234 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:42.059 The doctor's, what the doctor does is probably morally obligatory, he probably has to do that. 235 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:49.859 It's the right thing to do, but is just giving people false hope, is lying to people all the time the right thing to do. 236 00:22:49.920 --> 00:23:14.220 And I think that characterising the doctor and Clara's relationship is being about being furtive and lying and not telling each other the truth, culminating in just a big massive lie that Clara tells the doctor at the very end, you know, that's interesting, and it's something that Moffat's doctor has been doing for a long time. 237 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:18.180 Offence doctor lies about why he takes Amy on board. 238 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.779 He's interested in the crack, but he tells her some story. 239 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:24.599 You know, he doesn't tell her about her pregnancy. 240 00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:30.299 Moffatt's doctor is a liar and that's what we're looking at here, I think. 241 00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:43.380 I just had Tom Baker's voice in my head for some reason. 242 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.420 Well, of course, the doctor is a liar. 243 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.160 He doesn't read the script pages. 244 00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:47.880 He's not in. 245 00:23:48.059 --> 00:23:49.380 You can't know these things. 246 00:23:52.440 --> 00:24:11.579 But like for me, you know, the best version of the grumpy problematic doctor is always my go-to, which is Tom in horror fang rock, you know, because he's really, really horrible to all of those people. and really kind of contemptuous of them, even as he's trying to save them. 247 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:27.059 But he doesn't do to them what he does here in this story. you know, like that, but at the end where um, Leila asks what's happened to skin sale and he just says died with honour. 248 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:42.059 And it's a sort of throwaway line, but here you get Capaldi, who is kind of openly contemptuous about people dying like he is in Into the Dalek, and kind of like he is with the professor here, where he can't save the professor. 249 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:43.799 He doesn't intend to save the professor. 250 00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:53.940 He's just going to get as much information as he can off the professor and he just openly says that to him and fails to empathise in any way with him about his impending death. 251 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.500 So he's worse, I think. than Tom then. 252 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:10.619 I'm glad you mentioned the professor because his relationship with the professor and his relationship with Captain Quell is very interesting because with Captain Quell, he's super dismissive on him. 253 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:20.160 Captain Quayle is the one that believes the doctor is a mystery shopper until he arrests him. which I'm sure a lot of retail people want to do with mystery shoppers. 254 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:28.799 But him being dismissive of Captain Quell does have some little barbs in there about soldiering again. 255 00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:30.660 Yeah, yeah. 256 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:37.859 Whereas, yeah, whereas Professor Morehouse, which along with Maisie is a name that was originally dropped from Flatline, which was written before this. 257 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:42.480 Um, with Professor Morehouse, like the professor is a fellow academic. 258 00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:44.039 So he's sort of chummy, chummy, chummy. 259 00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:54.539 But during the death scenes, Professor Morehouse is useless, whereas Captain Quell reports until the very last 2nd because he understands how important the information is. 260 00:25:54.539 --> 00:26:19.559 And the doctor is actually chastened by Perkins when the doctor starts jumping around and doing his rationalisation thing and Perkins is like, he's just died, you know, and I just found that so interesting that the doctor, again, is siding with an academic over a soldier and dismissing the soldier, but it's actually the soldier who is the more noble character in that moment of death. 261 00:26:19.859 --> 00:26:22.799 So he's properly redeemed, isn't he? 262 00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:26.160 So this is David Bamba who always plays kind of Weasley characters. 263 00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:33.779 So he's, you know, Cicero in Rome and his Mr. Collins famously in Pride and Prejudice. 264 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:39.539 And so he is kind of pathetic. but he is redeemed, isn't he? 265 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:41.759 By the way that he faces his death. 266 00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.759 And, you know, he even feels redeemed. 267 00:26:44.819 --> 00:26:51.119 Like he feels like he's somehow paid for being quite so pathetic early on. 268 00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:53.579 So I think he's really terrific. 269 00:26:53.640 --> 00:27:09.359 And that is another thing as well, because one of the things about this series is the soldier thing, and the number of aliens that are soldiers, so the mummy is a soldier, the Skovox blitzer is a soldier. 270 00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:22.259 In both cases, the doctor defeats the monster by responding to it as a soldier, whether it's the enemy who surrenders or the commanding officer who tells him to stand down. 271 00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:39.960 And I am still not sure that this whole soldier thing works or what the intention of it is or where it's going or why it's suddenly here, but it is striking that you've got 2 soldiers here, the mummy and Quell. 272 00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:49.440 And you might add the doctor, at least in the way he plays that scene, is a very understanding person of authority. 273 00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:52.559 I mean, that's exactly how an officer is supposed to. 274 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:59.519 Yeah, and yeah, and Danny kind of accuses him of being like an officer in caretaker. 275 00:27:59.579 --> 00:28:01.019 Exactly. and you are a good dalek. 276 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:05.160 This is a whole series of mirrors and opposites and similarities. 277 00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:07.380 So Clara is actually the anti-doctor. 278 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:15.059 By now we're seeing all the flaws that she's pointed out in this doctor are actually her own, a whole lot of projection and reflection. 279 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:21.839 I should mention that David Bamber also played Hitler in was it Brian Singer? 280 00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:23.279 Anyway, in Valkyrie. 281 00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:27.059 Did anyone watch camping, Julia Davis's camping? 282 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.000 Because he was, oh, God, it's the darkest thing. 283 00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:31.859 You think 90 90 is dark. 284 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.480 And he plays Noel. 285 00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:38.039 So that would be my pick of the week for tragic circumstances. 286 00:28:38.099 --> 00:28:43.920 But yeah, he always has that gorgeous soft face that looks like you just want to squish it in and put a currant in it, don't you? 287 00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:45.599 Glaze it. 288 00:28:45.660 --> 00:29:00.960 It's really odd because he turned up recently in an episode of Endeavour, which is the Inspector Morse prequel that we've got in the UK, and he looks exactly like Staff Sergeant Arnold from the web of fear in that day, a police officer. 289 00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:06.180 He has turned into what's his face, whose name has now... 290 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.079 Jack Walgart. 291 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.880 He has absolutely the great big bushy sideburns the whole lot. 292 00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:13.259 It was wonderful to see. 293 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:18.359 That's glorious. so good Also in the cast. 294 00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:31.799 I'd like to mention, as the, as I previously mentioned, Professor Morehouse, who is Christopher Villiers, with a long acting career, one of the early roles of which was in Doctor Who, the King's Demons. 295 00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:34.920 Yes, he played the sarcophagus, no. 296 00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:36.480 Yes, he was huge. 297 00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:37.740 There was one in that as well. 298 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:39.180 Yes, he was huge. 299 00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:40.680 He's lost his hair. 300 00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:43.559 He's lost his highlights in the years. 301 00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:45.599 Really serious highlights, did he? 302 00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:46.500 We all, yeah. 303 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:51.839 The mediaeval times, they were quite impressive. was the 80s. 304 00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:56.220 Yeah, Gene Marsh just occasionally run those fingernails through. 305 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.900 Phileas has had a great career too, but Emmerdale, he was in Emmerdale. 306 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:05.519 I think that's where he made his big name, isn't it? 307 00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:06.420 We didn't really see it here. 308 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:11.400 Asach, but he's the descendant of the 1st Earl of Clarendon, isn't he? 309 00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:13.079 Oh there you go. 310 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:13.859 Yes. 311 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:18.119 So, you know, love I love it when they crawl up from the depths and make it on the turtle. 312 00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:24.180 I mean, also in the cast, we've got Frank Skinner. 313 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:24.720 Yes. 314 00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:28.920 The biggest doctor fan of all time, allegedly. 315 00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:32.519 It's a very interesting performance from Frank Skinner, isn't it? 316 00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:34.680 Because he starts off. playing himself. 317 00:30:34.740 --> 00:30:41.579 Yeah, because he starts off almost a bit sinister and a bit too knowing and a bit too, I know. 318 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:42.180 Like I said. 319 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:53.700 And then he sort of, but it's quite a naturalistic performance and quite flat in lots of ways as well. 320 00:30:53.759 --> 00:31:02.700 And I can never quite get a handle on whether it's a really great performance and he's really sort of inhabiting the character and it being, or he's just not very good. 321 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.779 Have you heard his radio stuff site? 322 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:16.980 There's a really gorgeous thing on BBC 4, probably 4 extra now that our Antipodines listen to because there's no longer an outpost sharder, darn it. 323 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.579 And that's, um, and that's Frank Skinner's. 324 00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:22.140 Oh, it's look, you can Google it. 325 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.240 It's one of those things where he does it, the worst of the world. 326 00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:26.039 It's like Charlie Brooker's stuff. 327 00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:36.119 But that is him, and that is his tone, and his cynicism and his dryness, and his stand-up as always, and he was a pretty big stand-up guy, you know, of a decade or so ago. 328 00:31:36.180 --> 00:31:37.319 He was yeah. 329 00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:41.279 I think that final scene where with just him and the doctor. 330 00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:46.079 Yeah, and it's obviously important because it's telling us that the doctor was telling the truth. 331 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.079 But it also does talk about the cost. 332 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:54.000 There's some kind of subtext about the cost of doing what it is the doctor does. 333 00:31:54.119 --> 00:32:02.400 And it's kind of like a throwaway line about, you know, if I was to hang around down under your console and fix it. 334 00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:06.720 That's the sort of thing that would take forever and doing that would change a man. 335 00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:16.740 And Capaldi makes some gag about regeneration, like, but there is something just at the very end about the cost of being the doctor, I think. 336 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:21.599 And yeah, like I think that that's, that he's, he's reasonably good. 337 00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:25.619 What we do have as well is John's session. 338 00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:27.599 Oh yes, is gust. 339 00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:30.059 Oh, thank you. 340 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:31.619 Yeah, it's on the list. 341 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.359 The late great John Sessions. 342 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:34.259 What do you mean late? 343 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:35.220 Don't tell me. 344 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.200 I didn't realise we had lost it. 345 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:37.859 Yeah, in a while ago. 346 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.720 In the last 12 months, I think. 347 00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:48.299 Because I listened to him on BBC 4 as we're entertained by the dead, as Nathan went off and said, all the time. have you seen his screen test for the 8th doctor? 348 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.559 Oh, no, really? 349 00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:50.160 Really? 350 00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:50.819 You haven't seen it? 351 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:51.660 It's fantastic. 352 00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:57.000 And that's, and you know, he did the, he did the audio death comes to time. 353 00:32:57.059 --> 00:33:17.220 I think it led on, apart from the fact that he's known as it, not only, he's he almost, whatever, spectrum, but he's genius at recollection, he's always winning quiz shows for his knowledge of the classics and for British literature, but he's also, um, fantastic for voices and he could do anybody. so to speak. 354 00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:20.160 And they often did. 355 00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:22.259 It's the theatre after all. 356 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:28.440 But he's his death comes to time performance is fantastic, but honestly, please have a look at his screen test. 357 00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:29.700 You think, you should have been a doctor. 358 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.339 Like, it's a very strange sort of performance. 359 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.039 It is only the voice, but it's not treated in any way. 360 00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:37.319 It does, so it's not a computer voice. 361 00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:39.059 It just sounds like a person's voice. 362 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.579 And the symbol appears to be a monocle. 363 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:42.539 Is that right? 364 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:50.279 As if he's like Gus is an older guy who's wearing a monocle and that's sort of trying to characterise him in some way. 365 00:33:50.339 --> 00:33:54.059 We never find out who that is and that's okay, right? 366 00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:56.220 Is that okay? 367 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:57.420 Yeah, that's absolutely fine. 368 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:02.940 I think it was cited by a lot of fans at the time of, oh, well, who was behind this? 369 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:03.599 What was this? 370 00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:10.019 This is a big problem, but actually, it doesn't really matter. unless it was going to be a big thing later on. 371 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:11.340 It doesn't matter at all. 372 00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:12.719 It's something that happened. 373 00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:22.260 And I love the way that Gus has spent lots of time trying to get the doctor interested and get him on the ship to try and sort this out sort of over the years, which is great. 374 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.380 No, he did the phone call at the end of the Big Bang. 375 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:26.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 376 00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:29.039 So I think he's the Rani. 377 00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:34.860 You know, the Rani's obviously regenerated into gust. 378 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:40.019 That seems perfectly reasonable and consistent with the theme of the season as a whole. 379 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:40.920 Yeah. 380 00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:52.980 I believe that thanks to Fox's performance of don't stop me now, that this may be the only televised Doctor Who to feature the term sex machine. 381 00:34:53.219 --> 00:34:55.559 Yeah, although... 382 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.679 Yeah, Billy and Sir Charles and the War Machines. 383 00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:01.559 I mean, it got very heated. 384 00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:03.780 That's war machine. 385 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:05.219 That's your version. 386 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:09.000 Look, I think it's almost certain to happen again in series 14. 387 00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:10.980 So you don't get too excited. 388 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.179 Well, yeah, we've all seen that tailoring. 389 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.039 Exactly. 390 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:34.920 Oh my goodness, Jenna, in your tiny little tableau, our thing that you're wearing that looks like it's been nicked off an altar and just thrown off. 391 00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:35.519 It really does. 392 00:35:35.579 --> 00:35:36.360 I can't... 393 00:35:36.420 --> 00:35:36.900 There's not a lot. 394 00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:40.800 There's not a lot of mystery and that said as game and sitting here. 395 00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:43.559 Imagine how the little straight boys in the audience were managing it. 396 00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:48.179 Si, I want to know what you think if you're an Avengers fan like what Brandy and I are. 397 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.360 But I just keep looking at her thinking, there's the new Emma Peel. 398 00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:52.619 There's the new appeal. 399 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.599 No, she'd be Perth. 400 00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:56.159 She looks like a young rig. 401 00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:58.320 And, you know, it's from the same part of the UK. 402 00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:15.059 I just know that she would have loved to toss all of these men off her shoulder. and do it adroitly and with great elan and I think, you know, great satisfaction hearing their spines crunch as they hit the deck of the train. 403 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.440 Yeah, this sounds almost exactly like the... 404 00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:23.039 No, the tag for this week's episode of Flight 3 and Time. 405 00:36:23.099 --> 00:36:23.639 Oh, really? 406 00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:25.920 Which you forgotten recording, but was all of that. 407 00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:26.699 Yes. 408 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.099 It's a good point. 409 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.940 Except it was her beating up Ben Miller, which would be even more satisfying. 410 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.920 Never say no, never say no. 411 00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:39.719 Is she underserved here? 412 00:36:39.780 --> 00:36:49.199 I got a sense of the, you know, to, again, to step outside, the actor herself is somewhat frustrated, but I don't think there's any reason to be because, you know, this is what the show does. 413 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:57.119 I think she had an incredible thing last week and I think that she has a really central role here that gives her proper things to do. 414 00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:57.840 Okay. 415 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:04.320 And, you know, like companions who complained about falling over and screaming at the monsters and all of that sort of thing. 416 00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:06.539 Like she doesn't really do any of that. 417 00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:10.260 It is all about her relationship with Danny, her relationship with the doctor. 418 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:17.460 It's something interesting and also the moral peril that she's in by admiring the doctor and wanting to be the doctor. 419 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:25.800 No, and even when she's locked up, she's still got lots of agency and she's still investigating and she's still working things out. 420 00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:31.079 So she does the whole thing with the sarcophagus, which is vital to what's coming as well. 421 00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:34.079 So it's that missing piece of the puzzle for the doctor. 422 00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:38.699 So it's not like she's, she's just sat in a cell whimpering. 423 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.500 She's she's investigating and she's helping Maisie through that whole thing as well. 424 00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.119 That's great. 425 00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:46.559 That's sarcophagus, isn't it? 426 00:37:46.619 --> 00:37:51.300 Because you think it's generating them, mommy. she's just popping the bubble wrap. 427 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:52.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 428 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.199 They're supposed to put the mummy in it once they catch it. 429 00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:56.219 Yeah, brilliant. 430 00:37:56.820 --> 00:38:01.380 Yeah, I think I think in terms of Jenna's ability. 431 00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:05.039 Like, she's definitely a lead. 432 00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:06.960 Oh, yeah. 433 00:38:07.019 --> 00:38:11.280 I get the feeling that in order to keep her, they give her a really interesting arc this year. 434 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:20.880 And then she asks to stay on and Stephen Moffatt and Peter Cabell to go, of course, you know, the wisdom of that decision we'll discuss next season. 435 00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:26.159 But it's kind of like when you have someone that good and they want to stay, you don't want to let them go. 436 00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:33.960 And at the same time, I feel like to want to stick around, she must have been for the most part satisfied with the material. 437 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.219 And of course, we've seen since then she's gone from strength to strength. 438 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:47.280 She came out here and did that that miniseries that was amazing and right now I think she's on stage in the West End, as we record. 439 00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:59.579 Um, she's kind of got that quality where, you know, with modern Doctor Who, we've said it before, the companion is a co-lead to the series, but they are still 2nd billing. 440 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:01.079 Yeah, yeah. 441 00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:02.880 And she will get topbelling this year. 442 00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:13.980 I think Murray Gold's having a really good week this week and is taking his cues from Christopher Gunning's schools for Poirot. 443 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.960 So he's really... 444 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.219 He's really hits it. 445 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.699 So it doesn't feel like a Murray gold score. 446 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.639 It feels like an ITV's Agafa Christie's score. 447 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.739 So it feels slightly, slightly up above what he's usually doing. 448 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.820 So I think it really fits the setting and he really, he's having a great week. 449 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:33.960 So true. 450 00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:45.599 I love the Doctor Who's got to the point where they can just say, uh, it's in space and everyone's dressing like the 1920s and if you don't like it or if you want an explanation, you can just get staffed. 451 00:39:45.659 --> 00:39:46.739 Exactly. 452 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.940 One of the scientists is just Albert Einstein. 453 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.800 That's the air. 454 00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:53.760 Yeah, yeah. 455 00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:56.579 And things like that. a little throwaway gadge. 456 00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:02.219 I like the bald guy, the bald ginger guy with a big... 457 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.139 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 458 00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:06.119 And the hipster moustache should be. 459 00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:07.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah. brilliant. 460 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:16.619 One unfortunate thing that comes about when they condense the plot and condense the characters is originally Maisie was a scientist. 461 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.059 Oh, okay. 462 00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:19.260 And one of the researchers. 463 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.579 And while there are 2 women scientists, they don't get any dialogue. 464 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:24.599 No. 465 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.579 Like all the other experts and men. 466 00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:30.059 And again, I don't think it's a conscious thing because Maisie is a strong role. 467 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:31.980 Clara has a strong role in this. 468 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:38.280 We'll have PC Forrest next week from Jamie Matherson, who's a very quick role, but also a very strong role. 469 00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:49.559 But yeah, it's it's a bit like the problems in the caretaker where it seems like no one's thought about, Oh, actually maybe we need to tweak this slightly. 470 00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:57.960 In fact, next week, despite the detective constable, it's a very male cast as well. 471 00:40:58.019 --> 00:40:59.219 Yeah, yeah. 472 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:09.719 And I feel the need to mention this because Nathan, at the beginning, you said, you know, Doctor's the only show where we can have this mummy in space and it's actually assault, da da. 473 00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:14.159 And I always feel the need to mention Babylon 5 so that Nathan can say. 474 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.900 I've never heard of it. 475 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:16.980 Right. 476 00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:47.039 So the 1st proper episode of Babylon 5 in production, which ended up being the 4th broadcasting is an episode called Infection, where none other than Dave McCallum, a.k.a. um, brings aboard an alien artefact which turns uh, someone into an alien undead super soldier fighting a long forgotten war who is defeated by being told that the war is over. and self-destructs. 477 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:48.719 Wow. 478 00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:51.360 And Jamie Matheson is a Babylon 5 fan. 479 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.920 Is this episode better than Matt Babylon 5 episode? 480 00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:56.639 Yes. 481 00:41:56.699 --> 00:41:57.420 Yeah. 482 00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:58.139 Yeah. 483 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:12.599 Like, even JMS looks at that Babylon 5 episode and says, we wanted to give the network a monster of the week episode, so they weren't too scared of us being all sort of political intrigue, and that's also why we had the boxing episode. 484 00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:14.159 Oh my god. 485 00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:17.340 They had a boxing episode before Galactica did. 486 00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:18.659 Yeah. 487 00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:20.340 And unlike Battlesar Galactica. 488 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.139 There's no hugging, no learning. 489 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.019 It's just hitting me. hugging. 490 00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:55.860 Well, they whistle, that's all we have time for this week. 491 00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:00.840 We'll be back next week for a romance of many dimensions in flat line. 492 00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:18.900 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find links to our accounts on Facebook, Twitter, and Mastodon, as well as links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody Intertara, maximum power, and untitled Star Trek project. 493 00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:27.480 Until next time, remember that when there's a lethal spectral mummy wandering around your workplace, it's perfectly reasonable to crawl into a bottle. 494 00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:29.820 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 495 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.780 Good night. 496 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:31.619 Goodbye. 497 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:32.940 Yeah, good thening. 498 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:45.360 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Siheart, Brendan Jones, and Richard Stone. theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 499 00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:51.179 This episode, Dangle Yolallis, was recorded on the 30th of April 2023, and released on the 4th of June. 500 00:43:52.500 --> 00:44:12.599 After this week's revelation about Janet Henfrey, we'll be petitioning Bad World Studios, to create a whole new Doctor Who subgenre, in which Janet Henfree confronts a series of undead monsters, including Janet versus a Ghost, Janet versus the Bride of Frankenstein, and Janet versus John Pertween, Return from the Dead as a Cyberman. 501 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.719 Uh, I don't know. 502 00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:17.460 Does anyone have a closing statement? 503 00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:18.000 How are we doing? 504 00:44:18.059 --> 00:44:19.079 We've done very good. 505 00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:19.800 I feel like last night. 506 00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:20.280 Yeah. 507 00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:21.840 Have we left stuff out? 508 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.019 No, because it's all very straightforward. 509 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:26.880 The mummy comes and kills people until it stops. 510 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:28.440 We talked about... 511 00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:29.039 Christie. 512 00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:33.599 Have we talked about the universal, Charles, the Lemle horror film, The Mummy? 513 00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:35.760 There's really, I watched it. 514 00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:37.199 There's really nothing to say other than it. 515 00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:44.760 This is completely different. refreshing. completely different. 516 00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:45.420 All right. 517 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:46.199 Well, I think we're done. 518 00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:47.400 I think I'll find a thing. 519 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:48.539 There's a thing. 520 00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.579 It can all be made into a thing. 521 00:44:50.699 --> 00:44:52.500 There was good stuff. 522 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:54.239 Good stuff. 523 00:44:54.300 --> 00:44:55.860 It's such a great episode. 524 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.300 Two really good episodes today. 525 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:58.500 It's funny, isn't it? 526 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.559 And the doctor gets to do the, are you my mummy joke as well? 527 00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:03.599 Oh, my God. again. 528 00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:07.860 Again, he does it in the poison sky as well, doesn't he? 529 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:08.340 Yeah. 530 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.519 Yeah. and I and I really loved, Oh, you really hated your grand. 531 00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.139 Oh, and she did poison your pony. 532 00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:13.619 You were right. 533 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.539 And your dog. 534 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:19.320 That's funny. 535 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:29.699 I am going to go and watch that immediately so that I can just take in all of her Janet Henfreeness, which I never know. can't believe it. 536 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.639 I think she is even into... 537 00:45:32.699 --> 00:45:34.619 I know, I know. crazy. 538 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.139 I think she is old lady. 539 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.880 And then didn't look at anyone. 540 00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:49.800 I think she is very briefly interviewed on the Doctor Who extra and just kind of goes, you know, it's it's 25 years and I'm back on Doctor Who. 541 00:45:49.980 --> 00:45:51.480 Awesome. 542 00:45:51.539 --> 00:45:56.099 So good And she was magnificent in Fenrick as well. 543 00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:57.000 So great.