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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast that has a pointed stick here and

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isn't afraid to use it.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Simon.

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And I'm your smelly old uncle's canary in a dodge and car hurtling

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20 feet through fear and faeces for this one.

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Well, the doctor's moral conundrum continues this week as he

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wrestles with the possibility that rescuing a child on a

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battlefield is morally necessary, even if the child is a bit whiny

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and has a very dirty face.

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But let's take a look at the moral issues he tramples over on the

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way as we continue last week's fun in the witches familiar.

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So I think that last week, when we were talking about this, I

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discovered what's really happening here, and I want to share my

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theory with a whole new audience.

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So buckle up.

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I think the doctor is ashamed for abandoning he's ashamed about

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abandoning Davros on the battlefield. so the pre-credit sequence

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is happening in time.

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It's not a flashback.

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He's the 1st thing that happens in the episode.

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Then he thinks that Davros knows about it.

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And because he's ashamed of it, he goes to see Davros and has

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decided that if it's a trap, he's not going to do anything about

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it.

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Then he goes back and we see him go back in this episode.

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And from Davros's point of view, that always happens.

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So he goes back, saves the kid, introduces the concept of mercy to

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the Daleks in that way.

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And that was always Davros's experience.

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So Davros called him back because he remembers that the doctor

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saved him as a little boy and he wants to get the doctor to admit

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that compassion like that is a bad idea.

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I have a slightly alternative view.

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Which is sort of like that.

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But I think it's one of those things that it's rather like in a

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Christmas carol, as time is rewritten, that has a sort of a

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gradual flow on a flex through time.

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So the original thing is the doctor abandons the child Davros and

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he is absolutely worried, then that that is what has actually set

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the Daleks in train.

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Yeah.

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He's been abandoned in this minefield and it wasn't rescued.

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Like someone was there and could have rescued him and didn't.

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And so that basically set Davros on the pathway of evil.

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And it's only then when we get to the present, the now present

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where there is a mercy moment.

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And that's kind of the 2nd thing, because the doctor only goes

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back and rescues Davros after this story.

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Yes.

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And so basically that's the effect of that flowing through that

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kind of afterthought, then flowing through and kind of making the

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current time stream work.

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Yeah, I think that's I think that's the same thing.

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So at the end of last week's episode, when Colony Saft picks them

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up in the shuttle, he explains to Clara who Davros is and says, how

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scared would you have to be to put every one of your people into a

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tank?

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You know, Davros made the Daleks, but who made Davros, and he

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means him.

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So, this is, in many ways, Genesis of the Daleks.

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This is his genesis of the Daleks.

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And of course, it's done in a completely moffety way.

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Protogenesis.

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Yeah, Genesis of Dabro.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And one of the things we picked up last week was that the Dalek in

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the Big Bang begs for mercy from River Song.

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Correct.

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Yeah, and we all think, why is a Dalek begging for mercy?

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They don't know the word pissy.

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We know that, that's canonical.

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How come they know it's near synonym mercy?

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And it turns out that many years later we haven't answered that

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question.

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He does play the long game.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I think also he goes back and sees what he's done and then

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kind of thinks of things to do with that.

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Stephen has spent a lot of time writing this one.

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I had a Todd experience.

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With this one.

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I did enjoy it the 1st time.

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It's much, much more interesting the 2nd time around and you need

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to watch.

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I love TV that expects you to pay attention.

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And of course, when Missy's on, he holds all his powder for when

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Missy's on screen and that's when you get, oh, and also with Peter

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and Julian, but that's when you get the, the exposition and the

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old points and the little secrets and who is her daughter?

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I mean, there's a lot, there is a lot, there is a lot to unpack

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and unfold here, and lots of mirrors within mirrors and lots of

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literary and theatre references, which I will talk to you with

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when you get up to.

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Yeah, I think it's tremendous.

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I think you had a tight experience as well, Todd.

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As always.

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Sounds a bit wrong, doesn't it, when you say that?

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Having the experience right now, what happens with the Sonic?

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Does the Sonic get left with Davros?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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So he just puts it in a cupboard for all those years.

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Is that right in a box?

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Yes.

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I don't think we need to think about it too much, but yes.

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I think it's in one of those little slots in his chair next to the

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hypodermic. fondling it in episode one.

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But he only has that revelation now, not...

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Yeah, so he remembers.

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I don't think.

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I mean, obviously he doesn't remember the doctor.

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So he never sees the TARDIS in Genesis of the Daleks because

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despite what the LP says, TARDIS is not there.

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So he never sees that.

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The doctor never calls himself the doctor in the rescue attempt at

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the beginning of episode one. called the rescue.

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And so and so he doesn't put 2 and 2 together, I think, until

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later.

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And remember, it's only Ronson that confiscates the Sonic

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Scrooge.

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Yeah, so he never sees that.

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I don't think it gets, it's always in that plastic little plastic

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box on nonsense bears.

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Where they retrieve it later.

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Where they retrieve it later, too.

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Which later.

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He doesn't have his sonic screwdriver when he's talking to Davros

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at all.

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Yeah, if you knew the future and blah, blah, blah.

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The tiny pressure on my thumb speech.

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Sonic.

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And that's why he creates the Sonic sunglasses because he doesn't

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have his Sonic screwdriver.

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I think too, Moffat gets sick of stuff that he's been doing a lot

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and, you know, he constantly...

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Like people.

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And I think the Sonic Sunglasses are pretty great because they

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kind of fit with this outfit, this more kind of trashy version of

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the magician's costume from last season with the hoodie and stuff

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and with the Fender Stratocaster and things.

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And it's a little bit more kind of, he's not quite a boomer

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Capaldi, or is he?

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But it is, yeah, but he, you know, like it's a kind of old...

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He is a boomer.

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No, he's top end of Gen X, isn't he?

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No, Gen X starts with both pigs. because he was 13 when he was

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writing in.

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We're mid-Gen X. Yeah, okay.

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Gen X goes to about 7980.

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Okay.

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Yeah, but do you remember we saw Capoldi?

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Yes.

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And he and Moffat.

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Capaldi Moffat and Ingrid Oliver were there.

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It was a Doctor Who event in about the 51st season.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because Australia.

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And someone got up and said to Stephen Moffatt that everyone hates

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the Sonic sunglasses.

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And Stephen Moffatt said, no, that's ridiculous.

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And it means that anyone who has a pair of sunglasses can play at

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being the doctor.

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And that's absolutely, you know, Moffatt is very, very aware of

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the effect that the show has on children and how children take it

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and how he took it as a child.

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And I think the Sonic sunglasses are great.

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And obviously they work very well next year in the sort of monk, 3

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Carter, too.

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Listeners, just and Nathan, everybody in this room, just to

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reference myself yet again.

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My experience.

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Yes.

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The 1st time round was I wasn't enamoured with the sunglasses or

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the riding in on the tank tank or the Qatar.

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But I love it now.

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Right?

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I love it.

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I know I'm going back to the previous episode.

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I love so much of that episode.

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I just love how the cold open.

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I love the fact that Kate has a new offsider Jay, who's going to

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appear later on in the season, I love the fact that Missy and

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Clara have to find, well, get to the doctor and and then they're

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all together, like, and that spark is wonderful for those

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sequences.

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And I love, I love the guitar, the fact that in 2 episodes time

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they squander the opportunity to keep a guitar theme rather than

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this tinny one that we've got.

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They could have kept that.

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And I love the guitar later in the season and the whole reveal of

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Scaro.

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Like, I love all that in all the buildup in that 1st episode.

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I'm not so enamoured with the whole extermination of Clara and

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Missy.

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I do feel like it's like Stephen's gone in this episode and said

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well, I need to explain why it was exterminated and vaporised at

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the end of last season.

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So I'm going to have them shot here so that I can then explain it

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in the cold open.

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You know, there's this reverse engineering of stuff, you know?

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And I feel a lot of that in this episode, you've just discussed

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some really great things that I never really thought about like in

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terms of where the doctor was and coming back to Ross.

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And I think that's so clever and all the mercy stuff.

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But I do feel in this episode like we're reverse engineering some

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things, like we have to introduce the age of dalek so we can, and

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he does that all the time.

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He introduces some new concept early in the episode, which comes

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into play.

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Well, that's the law of the conservation of information, isn't

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it?

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It's the 2nd law, which means the more explanation you put in, the

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less you get out of it.

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You know, we need that get out of jail free card.

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And so the Missy Clara stuff in this episode is just, isn't it

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delicious?

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It is fantastic, but I do feel like some of the doctor Davostov is

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marking time, like, really?

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Because I thought that was all very G.K. Chesterton and very

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Cathgar-S. I like all the 1st stuff where he dumps Davros out of

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his chair.

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Like, I think...

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Well, who does?

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brilliant.

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I just think later on, I just think they're not playing for time

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but I do find it like, you know, Izzy lying and, you know, it just

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goes on and on and on.

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Like for me anyway.

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Yeah, no, I find those sequences longer than they need to be.

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Did Stephen suddenly say, I want I want Michelle to say the

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bitches back.

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Like, is that his catalyst for this episode?

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You know where he got it from?

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Dynasty?

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Joan Collins line.

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Oh, it's what they use.

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She didn't say it, but it's what they used back in the 80s.

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It's what's on the TV week cover kind of thing.

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Exactly.

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It's what Aaron spelling used to say that, you know, they're

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renewed. and it's now a classic line.

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Don't you wish that Missy had actually been called Mercy?

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No.

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We did have the villainess called Mercy. in the next doctor.

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We did.

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I guess what I delete that from my mind.

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I guess what I was trying to say is that this is this is a great

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episode and I think all the Missy Clara stuff is wonderful and

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there's wonderful moments, but I actually enjoyed the 1st episode

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a little bit more than this one.

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That's just me.

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I probably agree with you there.

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I enjoy the 1st one a bit more than the 2nd one.

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I think the 2nd one, I don't want to use the word plods because

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that would be unfair, but it is not as dynamic, perhaps.

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Well, I mean, you've but that's because you have 4 characters.

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Exactly.

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And in fact, what I noted yesterday morning when I was watching it

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that the end credits, there's not very many casts. as you say.

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But look, I, I, I, very busy, and I certainly enjoyed it more than

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the first.

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Yes, I really enjoy this.

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I certainly enjoyed it more than when it was on 10 or so years ago

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when I thought it was kind of fine.

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And there's so much good stuff in it.

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It is brilliant.

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And, you know, Michelle Gomez steals absolutely every scene.

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She's even enhanced her ability to just throw these little lines

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away and make them so memorable as a result.

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But I just think the whole thing is a little bit random and a

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little bit kind of, I wish it had gone a slightly different way.

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Having said that, I think it's really entertaining, but

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unfulfilling, if I can put it that way.

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Do you know what I think?

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I'm going to say the opposite of what people say all the time

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about new Doctor Who.

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I think this would be better as a single partter because I think

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basically it has the structure of a short story.

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And so all of the kind of lead up, all of the kind of faffing that

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gets us here in episode one, which is terribly enjoyable and gives

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it a bit of scale and stuff.

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I think that could go away and that we just have an encounter with

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Davros that ends with the doctor leaving and abandoning him and

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then interaction between the doctor and Danfrost, and then we have

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another encounter where the doctor is inspired to go back and save

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him.

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And we have Tom Baker's dialogue in the last episode about, you

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know, a dictator that would destroy 1000000s of lives.

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Could you then kill that child?

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And so that conundrum gets played out.

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And I think that that works well, but I think that it demands

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something a little bit tighter, you know, a bit closer focus.

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I entirely agree.

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And that's, I think, my main thing is one of my main issues, even

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though there's lots of great fun stuff in the 1st episode, and I

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do actually like the tank bit much more than I did the 1st time

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around.

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And I love the Missy and Spain or wherever the hell she is.

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The whole sequence there. brilliant.

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And, you know, it's a dramatic open with all of the planes

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stopping in midair, but none of that has anything to do with the

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rest of the story.

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And whilst I like the sense of epic where you go from place to

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place and the story moves and evolves.

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This doesn't feel like it's doing that.

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It's just here's a whole lot of stuff.

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Oh, and now here's this episode that I actually wanted to do.

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So I agree with that.

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I really like both of your observations.

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That's really a great point, Nathan.

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Everything could be one episode, but we're now repeating what

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we've done with Matt Smith.

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The 2nd season of the next doctor is a two-part story.

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And we're trying to introduce the confession dial, the hybrid.

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We want to play with Missy, Michelle's not going to be back for

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ages.

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You know, there's a whole melting pot of stuff.

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And what you were saying, Simon, in this episode, there's only

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those characters.

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I'm gonna borrow from the publicity of the season, same old, same

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old, you know.

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Does it feel exciting and new?

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Like, I think later in the season, the Zygon 2 parter is also the

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same old same old, where in the 2nd part, because Clara is the

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villain.

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You only have the same characters. that doesn't feel new, right?

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And it's something that, as I've been watching this season.

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I really enjoyed so much of this, like even the dud episode, and

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you may not know what that one is.

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But it just doesn't feel fresh.

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Like he's trying to do something fresh.

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But there's something I'm just, maybe it's not this story, but

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there's something that I'm just finding that isn't quite reaching

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out to the masses.

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It is much more looking at us as fans, I feel.

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That's exactly what I felt too, but I loved it for that and the

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introspection and that this season is about looking inwards and

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hybridisation.

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He tells you what he's going to do.

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There's the hybridisation of Clara Osmond and Daleks, which you've

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seen into the Dalek and it's properly exposed when she's in the

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Dolgin cart.

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There's Missy and the doctor, Davros and the doctor.

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Well, he's can we have compassion without experiencing that which

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compassion must exist with.

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You cannot perform an act of compassion, without the act of, shall

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we say, violence and whatever is going on here.

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I would say actually indifference.

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What did Hannah Arent said, the root of all evil is banality, when

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she was talking about the Nuremberg trials.

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There's even notes to that.

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There's notes to so many films and so many texts and there's a lot

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of stoicism.

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He's actually quoting Marcus Aurelius in some of the literal

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moments between Dar Ross.

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Can't say it any other way.

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And um, It's just like, yes, yes, the mirroring of what is good

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and what is, we're not good and how am I a good man?

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And it's even explicitly stated.

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I love how Davros mirrors into the Dalek class last season. you

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know, are you a good doctor?

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Yeah, but he says he asks himself, is he a good man?

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I think none of that lands quite as well as the incredible

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conversation between Davros and Tom Baker's doctor, which inspires

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this episode. which I just think is incredible.

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And it's actually very rare for me to say, here is something that

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the classic series nailed and that actually hasn't been surpassed

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in this episode.

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Yeah, just to extend on what was being said before about what Todd

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you were saying about the fact that some of those scenes drag.

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I think that's just it.

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It was a single scene.

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A long scene, but a single scene.

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I think the problem here is we keep coming back to them chatting

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and it's just come on, get on with it.

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It doesn't quite have the focus that that other one does.

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And so that other scene, which is about power.

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And what you can do with power.

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And of course, the could I then kill this child isn't part of a

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conversation with Davros, is it?

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Is it?

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Well, there are 2 conversations later with Sarah.

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Oh, of course it is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So the conversations that they have, you know, the tiny pressure

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on my thumb.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, you all be.

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Yeah, that's in our minds.

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But also, I mean, my big bugbear, of course, is sound design.

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And one of the things that that scene does so well is the fact

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that it's quiet for most of it, apart from when you gradually get

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the incidental music kind of encroaching at the end.

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Whereas, of course, everything now has to be loud and forceful in

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terms of the music.

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Are you loving the torture porn?

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Really, if he'd had Liz Slatin, you know, if Russell hadn't

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brought back Liz and Stephen Moffatt had, this is what we would

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have been seeing.

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And it's not that far off what Philip Hinchcliffe was doing to

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Sarah Jane anyway.

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Oh, no, but it's much better because Missy's doing it.

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Shot opens up with the rotating.

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And then it turns out she's tighter upside down.

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But don't forget who is the...

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No, it's not.

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I want to keep saying it's Brian Miller who's ghost script writing

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but it's not.

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It's Brian Minchin.

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But it's just glorious, isn't it?

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I should also add the bitch's back is actually off Elton John's 74

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album, Caribou.

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It's where it actually actually comes from, yeah.

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Just to extend what you were saying, Richard, about it becoming a

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bit more introspective.

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That for me at the time, I was an alarm bell, and I'm sure we'll

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come to the discussion of ratings later.

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But I question whether that sort of style of writing, which has

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been encroaching more into the series since the 50th anniversary

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particularly, rather than being introspective within the current

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season or the current seasons, we're now being more introspective

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into the 50-year history of the show.

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Danger, danger, danger.

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It's exactly where the show started going wrong.

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Danger, Ian Levine.

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Yeah, no, and I think whilst that's something you can do at the

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end of a season, I really worry with opening a season, which is

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something which is exploring, I know it's doing more than just

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exploring one scene from a story that was 30 years earlier, 40

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years earlier, 30 years earlier, 40 years earlier.

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Nearly 40 years earlier.

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You know, I worry.

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I think that that needs to be taken into consideration.

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I think it also opens with that scene, which is another analysis

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of the doctor's character, but I actually think that works

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amazingly well.

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So that's the missy, telling the flashback, where Tom Baker is the

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doctor briefly, and then we just set along Capoli.

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And just say, well, we've got it.

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We got him.

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And it does 2 jobs.

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I think it is a really good assessment of the doctor's character.

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The doctor wins because he just doesn't envisage himself losing.

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Oh, that's great, yeah.

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It's the advice that he gives Davros at the beginning where he

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says, forget about the 1000, think about the one.

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All you need is one chance in a 1000, but it also, at the same

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time, does the job of explaining what happened to Missy in death

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in heaven and explaining what happened to Clara and Missy in the

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previous episode.

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And also, I think, rather brilliantly, may hear it always possible

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that anyone in Doctor Who who's been shot by a laser beam can then

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be brought back because it was a teleport.

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Yes, but we saw that in like Bad Wolf.

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Yeah, yeah, bad wolf.

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That's actually, I thought of Bad Wolf more before I thought of

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until it then came back to be when I was watching the previous

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episode.

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I was thinking more of Bad Wolf than it being, you know, a way of

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explaining Missy.

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But what we didn't see was the little pile of zanium on the floor

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which we saw in Bad War.

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That is true, yes, yes.

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I'm quite happy to talk about ratings right now.

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When are you not?

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But it's interesting.

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There is a step down, isn't there?

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There is.

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6.500000 for last week.

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That by far is the lowest opener.

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Mostly openers are like 8000000 or more or about that throughout

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the entire... time of year is it?

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It's mid-September.

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Right.

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Right.

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And so like last year, last year, last season.

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Although last year started slightly earlier.

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Right.

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August, I think, yeah.

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Very early.

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Yeah.

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But this week falls to 5.7.

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Okay?

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And, I mean, the AIs are still very good. 84 and 83 very similar

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to what they were getting last year.

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And the whole season is hovering around that 6 million, like

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either just under or just over.

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But that is a step down from previous where basically most of the

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season tends to be over 7 or just under 7.

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So it's a good 1000000 plus 10000 to a 1000000 and a half less on

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average for most of the year.

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And the overnight, like this week's overnight was only 3.71.

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So suddenly 2000000 more.

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So there's a big shift in the audience.

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00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:50.759
There is a big shift in the way people are watching, which I think

502
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:51.599
there are a few steps in that.

503
00:23:51.660 --> 00:23:55.680
And I don't think it's fully reflected in how the ratings are

504
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.579
calculated yet, you know, with streaming and iPlayer and all

505
00:23:59.579 --> 00:24:00.420
that's not added in.

506
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:06.180
I mean, the 2015 World Cup rugby is on and there's a number of

507
00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:06.900
major matches.

508
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.140
Now, I'm not saying that's going to influence things greatly, like

509
00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:13.259
you might get, you know, some television sets in a house not

510
00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:15.900
getting turned on, but there is like a 1000000 less people

511
00:24:15.900 --> 00:24:16.559
easily.

512
00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:18.960
I mean, the weather is so important over there.

513
00:24:19.019 --> 00:24:23.279
Because, you know, as you're heading into autumn and still in

514
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:27.180
September, even into October, you can have these still gloriously

515
00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:28.920
late afternoons.

516
00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:31.740
And what wins the show on 630 or 7 o'clock or something?

517
00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:35.220
I mean, you know, that's also a factor in people not watching it.

518
00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:38.339
But also, doesn't this, doesn't the series?

519
00:24:38.460 --> 00:24:41.579
my concern is that you'd expect a gradual increase in the figures

520
00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:44.819
at this time of the year as you get together into November and so

521
00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:45.000
on.

522
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.160
It bounces around a bit for this season.

523
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:51.960
Like it does pick up to 6.5 , but then it drops back down to 5.6

524
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:53.099
and then it's back up to six.

525
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:57.119
So there's really not much movement, but by about half a 1000000

526
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:58.140
throughout the entire season.

527
00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.000
What's interesting looking at the figures that I have here.

528
00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:07.619
The percentage of audience is generally, either the low to mid 20s

529
00:25:07.619 --> 00:25:13.140
like 25%, 22%, that's one of the lowest ones, this week was only

530
00:25:13.140 --> 00:25:13.980
22.9.

531
00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:16.980
But if you look back in the history of things, Doctor Who was

532
00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:18.240
around 30%.

533
00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:20.880
That's the percentage of people watching television at that

534
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:21.119
moment.

535
00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:21.720
That's correct.

536
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:25.920
And if you go back, it's usually the high 20s to mid-30s.

537
00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:27.779
Yeah, so that is the more meaningful figure in some ways.

538
00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:29.700
So there is there is the change here.

539
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.319
Sorry to get bogged down with that.

540
00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:31.980
No, no.

541
00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.859
I mean, I just kind of wonder whether it is that introspective

542
00:25:34.859 --> 00:25:36.960
thing. and whether it's 2 partters.

543
00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:39.960
I mean, part of the problem with two-parters is, if you miss

544
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:44.339
episode one, you might not tune into episode two, but they

545
00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:45.900
always...

546
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:47.339
No, that's true.

547
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:52.019
But the fact that episode one this year is down by a million plus

548
00:25:52.019 --> 00:25:53.460
is significant.

549
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.400
And I think that is this lag from the 50th.

550
00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:59.339
Let me discuss this, you know, the hangover from that.

551
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:01.079
The fact that people can now tune out.

552
00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:04.440
There's the same old, same old trailer, you know?

553
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:08.400
Do you think it's also that we've got someone with Dar Ross's own

554
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:10.500
face, as it's pointed out?

555
00:26:10.619 --> 00:26:14.519
I honestly do think part of that 1000000 is the not the young, not

556
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:16.380
we, saying, oh, tell me, look at that.

557
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:17.940
Well, I want to look at that.

558
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.420
General sort of people going, we're used to having young pretty

559
00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:21.839
doctor.

560
00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:22.559
Yes, you know?

561
00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:23.279
Really?

562
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.539
That's the...

563
00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:27.660
Yeah, I mean, I'm less inclined to think that, but I can see it.

564
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:29.819
I think that's how casual views.

565
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:35.519
I was wanting Stephen Moffatt to put a paper bag over Dear Peter's

566
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:39.180
face and have him smoke underneath it just as Michael did in

567
00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:41.460
Genesis of Catholics between takes.

568
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.920
We get a couple, see, daff put a paper bag of everything.

569
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:45.240
He did get the cup of tea.

570
00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:48.420
It was very Denny Kay. always do that in Britain when he was on

571
00:26:48.420 --> 00:26:48.720
stage.

572
00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:49.440
Everyone hated it.

573
00:26:49.500 --> 00:26:51.180
There are lots of those twee moments.

574
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.480
I actually think it's cost, really, it's just ageism.

575
00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:56.339
It may be ages.

576
00:26:56.339 --> 00:26:57.119
Scripts are so interesting.

577
00:26:57.180 --> 00:26:58.259
They look beautiful.

578
00:26:58.319 --> 00:26:59.039
It looks gorgeous.

579
00:26:59.099 --> 00:26:59.700
Do you not agree?

580
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.640
It just looks I agree. looks gorgeous, but I don't think the

581
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.579
scripts are interesting to a general audience.

582
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.339
They require...

583
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:12.180
We always have something sort of fun and light and set on earth

584
00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:15.000
pretty much as our 1st episode.

585
00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:17.880
If it's not set on earth, it's like set on new earth or something

586
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:19.799
like that, you know, the Russell approach.

587
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:23.039
I'm just concentrating on the new character, we don't have that

588
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:23.819
this year.

589
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.539
Concentrating on the new character, doing something fun and light

590
00:27:27.539 --> 00:27:31.799
and relatable and something that, you know, your mum can watch.

591
00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:33.900
Whereas this, I think, isn't that?

592
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:35.279
It's too dark, yeah.

593
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:37.799
In fact, a friend in Britain, because actually, that's right.

594
00:27:37.859 --> 00:27:39.779
I was actually in Britain when this was on.

595
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.240
We were on Monday there and that's right.

596
00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:46.019
And I remember a British friend saying it had gone far too far

597
00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:49.980
with Daros having been pulled out of the chair at the beginning of

598
00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:53.759
this episode and basically writhing on the ground with his, you

599
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:55.920
know, nothing on his bottom half.

600
00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:59.400
Basically, he felt that that was a bit too gross for the purposes

601
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.180
of the audience.

602
00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:02.640
It's interesting because when I was watching it this time, I kind

603
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.119
of, that moment sort of stuck with me and I went, I just kind of

604
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:07.440
went, that is quite nasty.

605
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.700
I bet there are people who see the doctor pulling Davros out of

606
00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:13.740
his wheelchair and then driving off with it.

607
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:15.480
And his Davros like, screw it.

608
00:28:15.539 --> 00:28:16.619
Oh, yes, he did.

609
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:17.160
I wouldn't care.

610
00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:19.680
But it does seem very bad.

611
00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:24.420
And also, yeah, basically, and also him, the doctor being in the

612
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:25.079
chair as well.

613
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:28.859
There's something slightly icky about that in terms of, yeah, if

614
00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:31.259
Matt Smith or David Tennant had done it, would we be batting an

615
00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:31.740
eyelid?

616
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:32.220
my question.

617
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:33.839
Well, I still would be, yeah.

618
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:36.059
I don't think it's a capaldi thing.

619
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:40.200
I think it is funny and I think it is clever at work. dark

620
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:40.440
though.

621
00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:44.880
Yeah, but when he says, this is clearly the place on Scaro best

622
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.319
defended against Daleks.

623
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:49.319
I think that that's actually quite a good thought.

624
00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:52.619
Yeah, I mean, I think the case for a fluffy opener is perfectly

625
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:53.759
understandable and perfectly fine.

626
00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:56.940
But one of my favourites, I think, my favourite opener would be

627
00:28:56.940 --> 00:28:59.819
the Impossible Astronaut 2 parter, I think it is, it does

628
00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:02.220
everything that I want Doctor Who to do, and I think it is also

629
00:29:02.220 --> 00:29:03.900
accessible to it. the regular audience.

630
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:05.279
Exactly.

631
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:05.819
Exactly.

632
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.400
Massive scale. and that's the one that feels like this is what I

633
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.359
want Doctor Who to be.

634
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:12.119
But it's also said on Earth, which I think is much more relatable

635
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:13.259
than some other planet.

636
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:16.920
And you've also got the doctor being killed off quite early.

637
00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:19.799
So there's this hook about, Oh, there's an immediate hook.

638
00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:23.099
And there's also lots of just fun hanging out with River and Rory

639
00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:25.740
and Amy and the doctor and those are characters that we know well

640
00:29:25.740 --> 00:29:27.839
and that we generally like, I think.

641
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.319
And you've got these other characters and you've got a sort of a

642
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:34.440
sense of epic what's going to happen and you've got the silence

643
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:35.519
which is just so superb.

644
00:29:35.579 --> 00:29:38.039
So anyway, point being that this does not do that.

645
00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:41.279
Yes, it's entertaining and all that, but I don't think it speaks

646
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.500
to the general audience the same way.

647
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:45.839
And I don't think there's a substitute.

648
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:48.660
Like, I can't think of anything else this season that you could

649
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:52.859
have brought forward to do that job because it's all a little bit

650
00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:57.839
dark and a little bit slow because we're all doing 2 parters all

651
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:58.200
the time.

652
00:29:58.259 --> 00:29:59.279
Am I right?

653
00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:00.660
My memory of this.

654
00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:02.880
I don't think the two-parter thing is necessarily the issue, hence

655
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.019
the impossible astronaut example.

656
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:04.500
Yeah.

657
00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:07.140
The impossible astronaut works because you've got the hook as

658
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:07.920
Todgers said.

659
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.819
This has a sort of a hook, I suppose, because you've got the

660
00:30:11.819 --> 00:30:13.200
Davros thing.

661
00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:15.900
But at the same time, yeah, I know the general audience.

662
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:17.519
You're almost certain they're going to know who Davros is.

663
00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:18.660
Yeah, well, the most famous.

664
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:19.619
Yes, absolutely.

665
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.160
And that show, you know, journey's end, you stole an earthen

666
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.279
journey's end rated its socks off and he's from the very heyday of

667
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:26.519
the show.

668
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:27.480
Yeah.

669
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:32.339
That got me like having Davros in that cold open, having Skaro

670
00:30:32.339 --> 00:30:35.099
like all that stuff in that for this episode really saying to me

671
00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:41.099
but is that as a Doctor Who fan of many years, as opposed to, like

672
00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:43.980
it's hard to know, really, without talking to someone in the

673
00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:44.519
general public.

674
00:30:44.579 --> 00:30:47.579
Now, we're having this conversation, which seems to be poo-pooing

675
00:30:47.579 --> 00:30:48.539
this episode.

676
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.039
And I just want to say that's not the case.

677
00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:54.059
I really love I really like this a lot.

678
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.819
This is an 8.4, right?

679
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.019
The whole story overall.

680
00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:59.339
Where did it lose a .1?

681
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.539
Because last episode was 8.5 and this is 8.3 because it gets

682
00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:04.019
bogged out.

683
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:05.519
Oh, the whole story is 8.4.

684
00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:06.180
Yeah that's right.

685
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.480
But I'm just saying, yes, keep laughing, Nathan.

686
00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:13.380
Like next week, the next 2 part, 8.9.

687
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:14.759
Where am I pulling this out from?

688
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:15.779
I'm just damn, you know?

689
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.720
I wonder, I think what you've said, been very interesting about

690
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.200
ratings and the viewers and how people take this on, and I wonder

691
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.460
if it's a cultural or forgive the term millennial way of viewing

692
00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:29.759
or experiencing, because I'm thinking of the traditional writers

693
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:31.140
using characters.

694
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.539
Not just Agatha Christie mudgering Allingham.

695
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.440
Anyway, when a writer progresses with, as Stephen Moffat has done

696
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.440
over so many seasons, it's the natural state to become

697
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:43.619
introspective with your character after exploring the outer world

698
00:31:43.619 --> 00:31:44.880
what is left.

699
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:46.319
Again, it's very stoic.

700
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:50.579
So we come back in and we write of our response to our experiences

701
00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:52.920
of previous novels.

702
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.740
And for the long-term viewer.

703
00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:00.839
I would think that would be inviting, but it is how people watch.

704
00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:04.559
And with what Simon and Todd is saying, perhaps people at this

705
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.380
stage, Todd, you probably know more about this, are watching on

706
00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:11.279
devices individually rather than on TV or as a family.

707
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.619
I'm not sure how it still works in the UK.

708
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:18.839
But I found this more intriguing and inviting because of the

709
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.180
invitation to come into the characters.

710
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.480
Yeah, I don't think the issue is necessarily that you've got

711
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.720
episodes that require you to have seen the previous episode and

712
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.059
the story because that's how people are watching television more

713
00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:31.740
and more, whether they're crushing up.

714
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:33.720
You know, you commit, you are, you're either going to watch a

715
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:34.920
season or something or you're not.

716
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:37.680
You're not just going to watch a random episode of it as a rule

717
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:37.980
right?

718
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.259
Even if it's on broadcast television, because you've got iPlayer

719
00:32:40.259 --> 00:32:40.799
and all that kind of stuff.

720
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:43.859
I'm not talking about the fact it's 2 part in the fact that it's

721
00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:45.599
referencing each other episode or even an episode from the

722
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:46.259
previous season.

723
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.980
It's the fact that it's kind of trying to too deeply reference the

724
00:32:49.980 --> 00:32:53.880
whole arc of the program or at least it's reaching back too far

725
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.240
into the depths of history to open the season with.

726
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:58.980
That's my observation.

727
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.740
There are loads of people that don't watch the original series.

728
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:03.299
Yeah, 0 yeah, I think so too.

729
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:07.980
I mean, I think the reason that we like this is because it's doing

730
00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:09.359
precisely what you say.

731
00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:14.339
This is a single, you know, 45 minute story that has 4 characters

732
00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:18.779
all of whom have been in the show for a long time, even Clara

733
00:33:18.779 --> 00:33:20.099
who's the most recent arrival.

734
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:24.119
I mean, you've got the doctor, Davros, and the master who've all

735
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.980
been in it since, you know, it began all the 1970s or whatever.

736
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:30.660
So we like it.

737
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:36.299
But what I think is that it just doesn't have enough fun, shiny

738
00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:37.319
things happening.

739
00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:41.519
It all looks a bit bleak, it's a little bit lacking in incident.

740
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:45.539
It's a lot of people standing around and talking, which, again

741
00:33:45.539 --> 00:33:47.940
talking urgently. that we like.

742
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.359
No, the lighter moments are all missy.

743
00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:54.059
The light, all the fun is missy and Clara.

744
00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:55.680
And missy's lines.

745
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:59.940
Yeah, yeah Pushing it down the ears.

746
00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:00.839
Oh, yeah, yeah.

747
00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:04.200
The smile where she says get in. and then she has this wonderful

748
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:04.920
smile.

749
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:10.619
I want a pointy stick. make your own No, she gets rid of that the

750
00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:13.619
dalek with her...

751
00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:13.980
Yeah, yes.

752
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.019
Stopping around and just poking it.

753
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:16.619
Yeah, yeah.

754
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:17.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

755
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.179
Well, when she talks about the TARDIS last week and says that it's

756
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:24.360
the dog's unmentionable to then start stroking the dog.

757
00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:26.699
Derrick Beamler.

758
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:31.500
But it's the dwarf star alloy brooch, isn't it, where she's

759
00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:31.860
poking?

760
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.900
I'm poking How could she lift that thing?

761
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:34.679
How heavy would it be?

762
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:36.420
works out.

763
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.880
Did you know that?

764
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.539
A certain bit that I loved and watching her face because she's not

765
00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:45.000
actually delivering anything at this moment is in that climax

766
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.480
scene where basically Capaldi's destroying them all by saying, you

767
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.400
know, the sewers are revolting and all that sort of stuff.

768
00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:53.639
And she's just watching him do it and loving it and that's

769
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:54.539
actually where they bond.

770
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.159
Because she is, that is what she does, but she obviously is more

771
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.400
evil, whereas he's actually doing exactly what she wants to do.

772
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:03.360
Yeah.

773
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.719
Well, he's that imp, you know, he's the imp who falls out of the

774
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.280
sky and tears down your world.

775
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:09.420
The master's got to love that.

776
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:10.260
Exactly.

777
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.659
And that's the part of the doctor that the master associates with

778
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:12.900
yeah.

779
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.079
I love how she does poke Davros in the eye.

780
00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:16.739
Yes, it is.

781
00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:20.579
Like, she says she was going to scratch his eye out last week.

782
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:25.260
The doctor said that, you know, he was his arch enemy.

783
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.420
And so she does actually follow through.

784
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:29.760
Talking of eyes.

785
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:31.619
Now, everybody.

786
00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:33.900
Listen to me. listen to me.

787
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.400
You need to all close your eyes now.

788
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.860
In the next 10,000 years.

789
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.059
And then the conjunctivitis that you would have, you're trying to

790
00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:43.019
open them back.

791
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:43.800
Yes, yes.

792
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:49.860
Like, I mean, it's very emotive and you really see into Davros's

793
00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:50.099
song.

794
00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:51.599
Like those eyes are so striking.

795
00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:53.639
So you're accusing Dr. not being realistic.

796
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.880
Do we close our eyes and then open them?

797
00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:58.139
I don't know at the time.

798
00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:59.219
I'm quite happy with it.

799
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.300
Well, that was the regenerative energy, wasn't it, that Irish...

800
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:03.780
Oh, okay.

801
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.500
Well, so really he's been, I, look, also, Julian Bleach is only

802
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:12.300
slightly more terrifying out of costume, is in, if you've ever

803
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:12.599
seen him.

804
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:15.719
It's forever though, changed the way I can look at that mask.

805
00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:19.860
Yeah, seeing the dead eye sockets and then suddenly seeing the

806
00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:22.199
dead eye sockets open with the blue light at the top.

807
00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:25.260
It's like, oh, now suddenly it's a man in a mask.

808
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.159
So, yeah, we'd always just assumed his eyes were burnt out, which

809
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.500
was what was the most terrific thing about that.

810
00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:33.480
About the original...

811
00:36:33.539 --> 00:36:36.960
Terry Malloy mask, which looks much more like that's what's going

812
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:37.199
on.

813
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.260
I...

814
00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:41.039
How do you feel?

815
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:44.639
Well, like, it's a very moffety thing.

816
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:48.300
It's, you know, this is something that you know Well, I'm going to

817
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:50.219
reinterpret it and let's see what happens.

818
00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:55.500
We have it with the doctor leaving Galafray gets reinterpreted.

819
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:59.400
It's kind of like, yes, the canonical reason is he was bored.

820
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:03.719
And we have Davros pointing out, well, actually, that doesn't

821
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:04.559
really work, does it?

822
00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:05.760
Why do you keep running then?

823
00:37:05.820 --> 00:37:09.300
No one runs that far or that fast because of boredom.

824
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.760
Here, we're just reevaluating Davros.

825
00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:14.099
It turns out Davros can see.

826
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:17.820
And remember that he can't open his eyes the next morning and

827
00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:20.880
whether he's bunging it on in order to get the regeneration energy

828
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:22.619
who can tell at this point.

829
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:28.619
But the idea is that it's effortful and painful and, you know, his

830
00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:30.360
eyes are still there, but they don't kind of work.

831
00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:35.940
This is as much speaking of hybrids. hybridisation of Genesis of

832
00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:40.079
the Daleks and curse of fatal death as it is anything else. running

833
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.260
down corridors and plummeting through, as I've mentioned, in the

834
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:46.559
opening of plummeting through the graveyard sewers.

835
00:37:46.619 --> 00:37:47.219
Yes.

836
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:48.000
Yes.

837
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:52.980
I really do wonder why he didn't bring Jonathan Price back in a

838
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:53.699
cameo.

839
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.760
Just in a reflection, just in one of those doorways, the lift

840
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:57.119
doors.

841
00:37:57.179 --> 00:37:58.199
He's missing from Doctor Who.

842
00:37:58.260 --> 00:37:59.820
He's missing from all of our lives.

843
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:03.300
I would have liked missy to just pass a piece of polished stain of

844
00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:05.760
steel in the Dalek city and just seen Jonathan Price's face

845
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.039
staring back at her say, that's Canon.

846
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:10.860
He could have been in the Dr. Falls.

847
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.159
Oh, but I'm quite serious.

848
00:38:14.219 --> 00:38:17.699
I think Mr. Moffat is pulling because of...

849
00:38:17.699 --> 00:38:20.579
Forgive the cesspit analogies, but pulling everything he's done

850
00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:24.719
that he most loves and throwing it back at us as a pizza supreme

851
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:26.519
saying, what do you want to do with this kids?

852
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.260
He does love that, doesn't he?

853
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.219
He's quite that exponential style of writing that he does.

854
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.260
So are you liking the eyes or not?

855
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:39.000
I think that it does successfully generate pity for Davros, which

856
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.039
is what he's going for at that point.

857
00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:43.500
And I do like the little moment.

858
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.440
It's digetic in Brendan...

859
00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:50.159
But I also like the moment where they are on the same side

860
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.159
together, even though later we discover they're not really, but

861
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.199
that is kind of nice.

862
00:38:55.260 --> 00:39:03.360
Like, like, you buy Davros being sincere because he's happy for

863
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:07.800
the doctor, for kind of Nazism reasons, you know, everyone needs

864
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.559
iPhone needs home soil and a race, you know, like, and so he's

865
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:17.400
happy for the doctor, but he expresses it in kind of, like, Nazi

866
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:18.119
kind of terms.

867
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:22.559
Rent talks about this in the Eichmann trial, you know, her or her

868
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:27.300
book on Speer, the great journalist who documented the neural.

869
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.239
Did anyone see child, what was it called?

870
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:32.460
The Nuremberg trial in the 1962 film?

871
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:34.139
No, it's called trial at Newenberg.

872
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:34.500
Thank you.

873
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:35.039
Have you seen it?

874
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:35.519
Yes.

875
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:36.420
Years and years ago.

876
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:41.099
This makes Missy Judy Garland, I think. that one.

877
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:42.119
Don't remember that one.

878
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.219
It's got it's got everyone in it.

879
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.699
But there's that very subtle play of, I mean, they don't, I don't

880
00:39:47.699 --> 00:39:48.599
know how well they're carried off.

881
00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:51.420
I haven't seen it since, you know, but that thing of who is the

882
00:39:51.420 --> 00:39:52.139
inquisitor.

883
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:53.159
It's very the prisoner.

884
00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:57.539
Leo McCern and Patrick McGuin as Capaldi and Bleach in this and

885
00:39:57.539 --> 00:39:59.760
the duality, I feel like.

886
00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:02.280
I mean, it's actually a very simple concept and it goes back.

887
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:03.719
It's Roman, isn't it?

888
00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:07.860
This dialogue of who is actually the better man.

889
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:11.820
But when we start looking at R our morals and our ethics. actually

890
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:12.960
defined as the same thing.

891
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:15.960
And when we separate them, do we not create artificial

892
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.260
descriptions of ourselves or artificial monickers of ourselves

893
00:40:19.260 --> 00:40:22.619
which then separate us even further from our truth and what is our

894
00:40:22.619 --> 00:40:23.099
truth?

895
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.920
There's some really high concept in this, which is probably why

896
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:27.420
casual viewers would go.

897
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.019
Well, I think I think it kind of rejects any overarching theory of

898
00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:31.860
morality too.

899
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.239
Yeah, just asks you to question it.

900
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:37.679
Yeah, yeah, because I think eventually the doctor says, I am just

901
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.619
a guy who travels around and on a good day.

902
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:41.940
I'm the doctor.

903
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.760
And he's the doctor when he does a good thing.

904
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:49.320
And, you know, we've talked about Doctor Who rejecting

905
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.820
utilitarianism, in a sense, if you wanted to reduce the amount of

906
00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:57.300
suffering in the universe, you leave Davros to die on the

907
00:40:57.300 --> 00:40:59.519
battlefield, which is what the doctor does.

908
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:03.300
But the doctor then becomes the sort of person who abandons a

909
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:06.300
child to die on the battlefield, and that's a problem.

910
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:12.360
And in fact, he finds a way of, you know, it's what the doctor was

911
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:18.659
supposed to do in Genesis of the Daleks, which was either of their

912
00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:22.739
creation or affect their evolution, so they become less aggressive

913
00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:23.280
creatures.

914
00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:24.059
You see?

915
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:25.860
Yeah, you know it off my heart.

916
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:27.840
We all do.

917
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.179
Well, we know 60 minutes enough.

918
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.300
And that's what he does.

919
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:39.300
He goes back and introduces the idea of mercy into the Dalek

920
00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:40.559
vocabulary.

921
00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:45.360
And as I said before, it's a near synonym of the word that Davros

922
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.460
eliminated from their vocabulary.

923
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:53.760
And so he goes back to bring more mercy and compassion into the

924
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:59.639
universe in a kind of weird hope that that will spread or that

925
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.980
that will have good consequences and it does.

926
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:06.780
And I think that's interesting and that's what this is doing.

927
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:11.460
That's how I think this is relitigating the ideas in Genesis of

928
00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:14.519
the Daleks, but in a vastly different type of story.

929
00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:15.179
It's interesting.

930
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:17.940
The one thing that's not really negated in that theory is the

931
00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:23.519
notion in Genesis of the Daleks in that the wires speech about

932
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.400
some things will be better with the Daleks future worlds will

933
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.500
become allies just because of their fear of the Daleks.

934
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.559
So basically the notion of just preventing their creation at all

935
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:34.079
is actually possibly not the best solution.

936
00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:35.760
And that's not actually touched on.

937
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:37.079
No, no.

938
00:42:37.139 --> 00:42:39.360
I mean, it can't be done, can it?

939
00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:39.659
You know?

940
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:40.860
No, no, of course.

941
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:42.059
But I don't know.

942
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.360
I know what you're saying, but yeah, nah.

943
00:42:58.860 --> 00:43:01.320
We've talked about Genesis of the Dialects.

944
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:02.639
We haven't talked about is the dark.

945
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:03.480
Oh, isn't it exciting?

946
00:43:03.539 --> 00:43:05.340
Or the dead planet or the mutants or whatever we were supposed to

947
00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:05.579
call it.

948
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:06.840
Although they're the wrong colour.

949
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:11.039
No, no, but the city itself. isn't it beautiful?

950
00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:12.059
so beautiful.

951
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:13.739
It's very TV 21.

952
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:14.760
Yes, yes.

953
00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:17.280
Well, no, but I think there were 2 model versions of the Dialect

954
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.199
City and the 1st one was rejected or something.

955
00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:20.699
It's Jerry Bentham's the beginning.

956
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.679
Oh, is it actually more like the original model?

957
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.440
Well, it's kind of a mixture between the two, but it's more like

958
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.300
the, it's more like the one that appears.

959
00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:29.519
But it's a television version, not the film version, definitely.

960
00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:30.000
Yeah.

961
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:31.619
And I love the angle doors.

962
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:32.460
Oh, yes.

963
00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:35.519
And the doors that come down in a circle and stuff.

964
00:43:35.579 --> 00:43:39.179
And I talked last week about the Dalek control room, which is a

965
00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:41.760
bit more massive than anything we see in the Daleks.

966
00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:47.760
But it does have an excitingly Sir Ken Adam slanted roof, which...

967
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:49.860
The 20 something degrees and the 7 degrees.

968
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:53.639
Is this the 1st time I had an epiphany as a fanboy, you just take

969
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:54.300
it all on board?

970
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.880
Why did I never get Womp Womp?

971
00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:01.019
Is the heart of the Daleks and the meaning of the Daleks and it's

972
00:44:01.019 --> 00:44:04.320
been right there since episode 5 of Doctor Who.

973
00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:06.599
It's what Moffat does, though, isn't it?

974
00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:08.039
Like he creates.

975
00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:12.360
He takes this thing that has been in Doctor Who and then gives it

976
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:13.860
gives it an interpretation.

977
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.780
Maybe they just left on the parking brakes as well.

978
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:17.159
Okay, that.

979
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.039
You know, I love that.

980
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:24.780
Like, especially Missy saying, like, the cyberman suppress

981
00:44:24.780 --> 00:44:25.320
emotion.

982
00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:27.000
Yes, the Daleks channel it.

983
00:44:27.059 --> 00:44:28.079
Isn't that gorgeous?

984
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:29.219
It is.

985
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.500
You've never really thought about that in your head before

986
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:31.800
perhaps.

987
00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:34.260
Product differentiation between...

988
00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:34.920
But that's it.

989
00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:38.519
So they say exterminate because they're recharging their weapons.

990
00:44:38.579 --> 00:44:41.880
Yeah, the expression of that hatred recharges the weapons for

991
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:42.119
them.

992
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:43.440
I think it's really great.

993
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:49.019
Yeah, that whole thing, that whole thing where she gets put where

994
00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:52.619
Clara gets put in the dalek, like Ian Chesterton is, you know

995
00:44:52.619 --> 00:44:53.099
before her.

996
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.079
Yeah, that's true.

997
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.059
Ian doesn't get the little probes into his...

998
00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:57.360
No.

999
00:44:57.420 --> 00:45:01.139
Which is why that dialect can't sort of properly speak, but it's

1000
00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:02.699
very crowded. just the way you talk.

1001
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:07.980
You know, you're different from me. comes out as exterminate.

1002
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.260
I love you, comes out as exterminate.

1003
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:11.099
It's so good.

1004
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:14.219
Yeah, I buy that for some of them, but I, yeah.

1005
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.500
Well, you know, it's very brightly.

1006
00:45:16.500 --> 00:45:17.159
Yes, exactly.

1007
00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:19.019
Mr. Moffatt has been married a long time.

1008
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:26.099
But it leads up to the final scene with Clara in that Dalek.

1009
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:29.039
The doctor and Missy saying, oh, you know, Clara's dead.

1010
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:31.920
This is the one that killed her. the tension that you feel at that

1011
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:32.400
point in time.

1012
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:35.340
I love how the doctor just tells her to run as well.

1013
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.940
It's, you know, that's his that's his response.

1014
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.940
You know, she's tried to trick him into killing Clara.

1015
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.199
And he just says Ron and she kind of realises, yes, actually, I

1016
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:46.559
better.

1017
00:45:46.860 --> 00:45:49.079
What happens to her at the end?

1018
00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:51.900
She ends up there with the Daleks and that's it, really.

1019
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.619
Yes. as I recall.

1020
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:56.880
What does she say?

1021
00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:57.659
She says something.

1022
00:45:58.739 --> 00:46:01.440
She's surrounded by Daleks.

1023
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:04.860
And she said, I've just had a very clever idea.

1024
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:05.880
What is her idea?

1025
00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:08.760
to be continued.

1026
00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:11.519
Well, it's that usual thing that you have to do with the master

1027
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:12.000
now.

1028
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.119
Well, you always kind of had to do in the 80s, which has just put

1029
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.699
them in an impossible situation and then forget about it.

1030
00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.139
Yes, I mean, whether it's her.

1031
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.659
Hurtling into the distant parts or distant future or whatever

1032
00:46:21.659 --> 00:46:25.500
happens to him and the Rani or he ends up with the axons, you know

1033
00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:29.280
surrounded by the axons, being attacked by the people of Castra

1034
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:30.300
Valver, whom he created.

1035
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:31.559
For example, yes.

1036
00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:34.980
As it all collapses around.

1037
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah. love that.

1038
00:46:38.340 --> 00:46:39.659
No, you need that sort of thing.

1039
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:41.699
And I prefer the ones that are like that rather than the ones

1040
00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:43.679
where he gets, you know, burnt to a crisp within the planet of

1041
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:43.860
fire.

1042
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.179
Yeah, that was a bit of a problem.

1043
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:45.960
Oh, yes.

1044
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:48.599
Well, no, but in terms of like you want to, you need the little

1045
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:50.400
window out, yes.

1046
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:54.179
I do like the doctor saying to Deveros, moron.

1047
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:55.260
Sewers.

1048
00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:55.920
Two words.

1049
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.000
So, I mean, what is that?

1050
00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:02.460
There's a sort of Marxist revolution at the end.

1051
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.880
The sewers are revolting, the lower orders are rising up through

1052
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.820
the thing and killing everyone, which again is a very kind of

1053
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:12.719
Moffatt thing, and I guess it gets him to do the revolting

1054
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:13.380
partner.

1055
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:14.280
Yeah.

1056
00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:18.480
But the doctor has to use his regeneration energy a bit of it to

1057
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:19.739
you know, and suddenly it's a trap.

1058
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.239
I don't like when they use the regeneration energy for things like

1059
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:24.539
this.

1060
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.000
I think it diminishes the regenerations.

1061
00:47:27.059 --> 00:47:29.219
Well, he's small.

1062
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.460
Like when the 17th doctor is really small.

1063
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:33.539
Now we'll know why.

1064
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.179
Because he says I'll be shorter or I'll lose an arm or something.

1065
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.699
No, I get I wasn't getting awful.

1066
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:42.480
I don't know.

1067
00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:45.300
I just kind of like the regeneration energy for regenerations.

1068
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.519
I just kind of think, well, we can just turn it on and off as we

1069
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:47.760
need to.

1070
00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:48.719
Yeah, exactly.

1071
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:49.679
And just use this little bit.

1072
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:51.059
Get out of jail free card.

1073
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:51.539
I don't know.

1074
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.900
It's just something, one little thing that doesn't kind of sit

1075
00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:59.880
with me. sort of like, well, I need a way to destroy the city and

1076
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:04.260
thus this is my get out of jail free card by having introduced the

1077
00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:07.320
old Daleks in the sewers and then the energy's going to go...

1078
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.900
And back to my point about reverse engineering the pot.

1079
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.920
Yeah, well, like the stuff about how the Daleks don't ever die

1080
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.940
like their genetically engineered not to be able to die and they

1081
00:48:17.940 --> 00:48:21.719
just turn into sort of living sentient sludge down in the bottom

1082
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:22.320
of the thing.

1083
00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:27.179
Like that's kind of revolting, but it is absolutely reverse

1084
00:48:27.179 --> 00:48:30.900
engineering so that regenerating them all gets them to come alive

1085
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:34.980
and kill everyone, which obviously they don't because the Daleks

1086
00:48:34.980 --> 00:48:35.460
will be back.

1087
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:39.059
I do like the fact that Missy gets to sort of save the day a bit

1088
00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:41.639
by shooting colony salve.

1089
00:48:41.699 --> 00:48:42.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1090
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:44.039
Is that how you manage his name?

1091
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:45.900
Yes, I can quite work it out.

1092
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.219
South, South, South.

1093
00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:47.760
South.

1094
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:49.559
He's from South London.

1095
00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:50.699
I was going to say, yeah.

1096
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:52.260
Yeah.

1097
00:48:52.260 --> 00:48:53.699
Very, very effective, though.

1098
00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:55.679
I mean, obviously he's more in the 1st episode than the second, but

1099
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:56.760
the snake thing is really, really well.

1100
00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:58.380
Really nice, isn't it?

1101
00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:00.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah. quite, maybe.

1102
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:00.840
Yeah.

1103
00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:03.059
I still don't like levitating Daleks.

1104
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:07.920
I mean, basically, the show has become so paranoid or it's got

1105
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.079
it's got this, what's, what's the word?

1106
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.260
Like, um, post-traumatic stress disorder or something for the fact

1107
00:49:13.260 --> 00:49:16.079
that Daleks couldn't go upstairs until remembrance of the Daleks

1108
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:18.719
and it's been desperately trying to make up for it ever since.

1109
00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:22.920
Although I do actually like those exterior shots of the Dalek City

1110
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:26.039
with just like swarms of dialects around like that.

1111
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:26.940
That's what I'm talking about.

1112
00:49:26.940 --> 00:49:27.900
That I don't like that.

1113
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.239
It's like, it's too...

1114
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.699
I think it's the kind of thing that, okay, we need to get Daleks

1115
00:49:32.699 --> 00:49:34.559
upstairs and they need to be able to levitate and fly.

1116
00:49:34.619 --> 00:49:38.880
But like it is in Dalek, it should be kind of something that

1117
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:40.980
requires, it sort of suggests it's almost...

1118
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:42.659
They have to say elevate before they do it.

1119
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:43.920
Or it's an effort.

1120
00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:45.300
It requires a lot of energy.

1121
00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:46.199
It requires a lot of energy.

1122
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:47.280
You won't do it when you have to.

1123
00:49:47.340 --> 00:49:49.440
So when they're on the planet, their home planet, they're just

1124
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:50.039
around the corridor.

1125
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:51.960
Well, they're not just flying around going, whee.

1126
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.559
Yes, and where's the trans-solar discs, thank you.

1127
00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:57.360
Yeah, you need a little disc or something.

1128
00:49:57.420 --> 00:50:00.059
It's just like, you know, let's just get over the fact.

1129
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.539
Yes, the whole point is that they, you know, their design is so

1130
00:50:03.539 --> 00:50:04.079
beautiful.

1131
00:50:04.139 --> 00:50:07.019
I don't want to worry about the fact that they can't go upstairs.

1132
00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:11.099
I actually thought that the flying cyberman at the end of last

1133
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:12.000
season were worse.

1134
00:50:12.059 --> 00:50:13.559
I really didn't like that.

1135
00:50:13.619 --> 00:50:14.280
Yes.

1136
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:15.420
I agree with you.

1137
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.480
But these are very bad.

1138
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:21.900
But what is not very bad.

1139
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:23.340
It is the use of the head system.

1140
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:26.519
Oh, yeah, they have different.

1141
00:50:26.579 --> 00:50:30.719
So it's not the hostile action displacement system, which moves

1142
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:31.260
the TARDIS.

1143
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:33.000
It's the hostile action.

1144
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:37.260
Dispersal system, which spreads the tongue around the place, like

1145
00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:39.300
in front of you.

1146
00:50:42.059 --> 00:50:44.460
There's all these little Easter eggs in.

1147
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:45.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1148
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:48.480
And it is just like a throwaway line that's a gag that we enjoy

1149
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:52.139
and it's a fabulous special effect and stuff and, you know, deals

1150
00:50:52.139 --> 00:50:55.139
with the destroying the TARDIS thing that we had to have for some

1151
00:50:55.139 --> 00:50:57.119
reason at the end of episode one.

1152
00:50:57.179 --> 00:50:57.840
It looks good.

1153
00:50:57.900 --> 00:50:58.139
Yeah.

1154
00:50:58.679 --> 00:50:59.820
Even I accept that.

1155
00:50:59.940 --> 00:51:00.780
It did look great.

1156
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.099
That effect of it, you know, sort of swooping in and really

1157
00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:06.300
materialising around.

1158
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.940
But there's so much in the series about how indestructible the

1159
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:10.679
TARDIS is that you know that whenever it's destroyed.

1160
00:51:10.739 --> 00:51:12.300
It'll be fun.

1161
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:16.139
Again, I do love Missy say never believe a man about a vehicle.

1162
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.119
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

1163
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:19.260
Yes, please.

1164
00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:21.480
Oh, just sit here.

1165
00:51:21.539 --> 00:51:22.800
She's got so many wonderful lines.

1166
00:51:22.860 --> 00:51:26.280
It's just it just, that whole performance just overshadows so much

1167
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:27.179
of what else is going on.

1168
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:27.840
You know what I mean?

1169
00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:30.659
The fact Julian Beach is just wonderful as Deveros.

1170
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.139
And the stuff that Peter Capaldi is doing against him is at all

1171
00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:36.539
his little moments, all of Peter's little moments are just are

1172
00:51:36.539 --> 00:51:37.320
just beautiful.

1173
00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:40.980
And again, I'll go back to Jenna Coleman, who I just think is just

1174
00:51:40.980 --> 00:51:42.059
a tremendous actress.

1175
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:46.860
But when I walk away from this now, it's still all the missy stuff

1176
00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:48.360
that just sings.

1177
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.099
She's so good.

1178
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.480
Just so tremendous.

1179
00:51:51.539 --> 00:51:55.800
And it's absolutely telling that for the three, you know, the

1180
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:59.280
moment that he invents her, there's never a year that he doesn't

1181
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:00.179
have her back.

1182
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:06.179
And he absolutely makes a kind of 4th regular character. in series

1183
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:06.420
10.

1184
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:10.139
And she's stronger in this 2 part than she is in... dark water

1185
00:52:10.139 --> 00:52:10.440
one.

1186
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:14.159
I do think it's a shame that the fact that we've got the

1187
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.739
confession dial and her and Davros talking about the hybrid in

1188
00:52:16.739 --> 00:52:19.860
this, they're not back at the end of the season sort of to sort of

1189
00:52:19.860 --> 00:52:20.400
bookend it.

1190
00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:22.920
Like, you know, they're not involved with any of that.

1191
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:26.880
It's sort of, um, other people um, coming along.

1192
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.519
Yeah, I think that's a bit of a shame.

1193
00:52:29.579 --> 00:52:32.039
But we'll get to that when we get to it.

1194
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:47.579
So, it is the 2nd part of a two parter, and that means the long

1195
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:49.739
awaited return of picks of the week.

1196
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:51.300
Do you want to start us off, Simon?

1197
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:51.960
I can do that.

1198
00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:54.719
I don't think this has been mentioned before, but this is really

1199
00:52:54.719 --> 00:53:00.840
lovely 2021 science fiction film called After Yang, which is sort

1200
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.800
of very small scale. stars Colin Farrell, and it's basically set

1201
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.340
in one of those kind of non-determined, not too distant futures

1202
00:53:08.340 --> 00:53:10.920
where we have sentient androids.

1203
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:14.639
And the Androids, they're not services per se, but they're members

1204
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:15.480
of your household.

1205
00:53:15.539 --> 00:53:19.079
There is a suggestion that there aren't very many children or at

1206
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.380
least, you know, you only have a single child, but to keep them

1207
00:53:22.380 --> 00:53:24.960
company, you then get an Android as another sibling.

1208
00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:29.219
So Yang is the kind of like the older teenage brother.

1209
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:31.980
No.

1210
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:34.860
But it's all very mixed race.

1211
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:38.159
Like, like, it's an adoptive child from China or something.

1212
00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:40.920
I mean, I won't go into that, that sort of detail, but it's just a

1213
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:46.800
very quiet, beautiful film, because Yang, has a terrible

1214
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.880
malfunction and is effectively is dying or is dead.

1215
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.900
As far as an Android goes, and it's about the family coming to

1216
00:53:54.900 --> 00:53:58.619
terms with the fact that Yang is no longer going to be with them

1217
00:53:58.619 --> 00:54:01.619
and what are they going to do and what do you do with the body of

1218
00:54:01.619 --> 00:54:03.239
this Android and so on like that?

1219
00:54:03.300 --> 00:54:04.440
It's just really, really beautiful.

1220
00:54:04.500 --> 00:54:07.139
And again, it's one of those kind of, I wouldn't say dystopian

1221
00:54:07.139 --> 00:54:10.079
futures, but just kind of like a future where everyone kind of

1222
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.739
leaves in these very closed communities and it's, it's, it's very

1223
00:54:13.739 --> 00:54:14.820
quiet, as I, as I say.

1224
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:16.079
That sounds really lovely.

1225
00:54:16.260 --> 00:54:17.820
Todd?

1226
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.840
I guess my pick of the week is the reality television show

1227
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:22.440
Hunted.

1228
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:25.320
Oh, which I'm watching at the moment where you've got to hand in

1229
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.440
all of your devices and then you're on the run from the Victorian

1230
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.280
hunters.

1231
00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:32.400
You're in Victoria and they've got all your social media and

1232
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.219
you've got to stay, they're out to get you.

1233
00:54:35.219 --> 00:54:37.920
And can you survive?

1234
00:54:37.980 --> 00:54:41.039
And so they're using CCT footage and bugging your phones and all

1235
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.320
sorts of things and I just find it absolutely compelling.

1236
00:54:43.380 --> 00:54:47.880
There's 10 teams of 2 and the hunters have a headquarters and I'm

1237
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:48.539
just loving it.

1238
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.000
So it's not the Victorian police hunting you.

1239
00:54:51.059 --> 00:54:52.320
No, no, no. in Victoria.

1240
00:54:52.380 --> 00:54:52.860
Right.

1241
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:56.460
And it's, yeah, there's a UK series that you can find the UK

1242
00:54:56.460 --> 00:54:58.980
version, but I really love the Australian version.

1243
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.719
But what the idea is that you're supposed to be.

1244
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:01.619
You're on the run.

1245
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:03.000
You're the fugitives?

1246
00:55:03.059 --> 00:55:04.800
But are you all working together as fugitives?

1247
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:05.519
You're all individual.

1248
00:55:05.579 --> 00:55:06.719
You're just a pair?

1249
00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:07.679
A pair.

1250
00:55:07.739 --> 00:55:09.599
And it's a question of you've got to be the last one found

1251
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.039
basically.

1252
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.159
You've got to get to the extraction point to win the money. right?

1253
00:55:14.219 --> 00:55:15.300
After 21 days.

1254
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:21.000
So they're on your tail and yeah, I just find it fascinating how

1255
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.119
they go about hunting you down with the social networks and CCT

1256
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.000
footage and just the luck that some of the hunters have.

1257
00:55:27.059 --> 00:55:29.699
And I'm never on the side of the actual fugitives.

1258
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:31.260
I always want the hunters to get the people.

1259
00:55:31.619 --> 00:55:33.420
Are they awful?

1260
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:34.739
No, no, no.

1261
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.019
Like some of them are really good, but others are quite annoying.

1262
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.260
I think they can outrun the hunters and they just do things that

1263
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:44.579
that's find it fascinating what they use in terms of technology.

1264
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.860
It's all about being in the 21st century.

1265
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:47.880
Can you actually stay hidden?

1266
00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:51.000
Yes, so because they use, oh, I see what you mean.

1267
00:55:51.059 --> 00:55:53.280
They use other people's social media.

1268
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:56.519
They use the close circuit television to be able to find, oh, they

1269
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.820
were in, you know, yeah.

1270
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:01.739
There's obviously constraints with the series where they actually

1271
00:56:01.739 --> 00:56:02.880
have to hand in their devices.

1272
00:56:02.940 --> 00:56:05.340
So it's, you know, it's fascinating.

1273
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.679
Yeah, no, I find... glimpse into the near future.

1274
00:56:07.739 --> 00:56:09.360
Our near future, probably.

1275
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:10.440
Well, yeah.

1276
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:12.719
Our actual president.

1277
00:56:12.780 --> 00:56:16.619
Well, yeah, if you're living in certain other parts of the world

1278
00:56:16.619 --> 00:56:17.099
yes, right now.

1279
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:21.179
I was going to be all sort of medium brow and say anything that

1280
00:56:21.179 --> 00:56:24.179
Gita, Serene, actually, ever wrote, which you can just find

1281
00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:27.900
anywhere really, but, um, you know, the, like the piece on Spear.

1282
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.539
Oh, indeed, judgement at Nuremberg. go home and watch that again.

1283
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:32.039
Sure, it's on YouTube.

1284
00:56:32.099 --> 00:56:35.940
But, um, I'd also quite like to watch Once Upon a Time and Fallout

1285
00:56:35.940 --> 00:56:39.179
again, the last 2 episodes of The Prisoner, because the dialogues

1286
00:56:39.179 --> 00:56:43.619
and the camera angles are very close, when, when Leo McCurn is

1287
00:56:43.619 --> 00:56:47.099
hunched in his globe chair and McGoon is sort of running about and

1288
00:56:47.099 --> 00:56:48.719
there's a, see?

1289
00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:51.420
Because I know I know Mr. Moffatt's a fan.

1290
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.800
Yeah, there's so much in this, so much good stuff in this.

1291
00:56:55.860 --> 00:56:58.380
And getting to push Clara down a well.

1292
00:56:58.440 --> 00:56:59.219
Brilliant.

1293
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:00.840
Nathan, what's your pick of the week?

1294
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:04.559
So I'm going to go sort of pop culture. going to pick Star Trek

1295
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:05.579
Strange New Worlds.

1296
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.840
It, as we're recording, is about to finish its 2nd season.

1297
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:16.019
And I have been doing the Star Trek podcast with Joe. And during

1298
00:57:16.019 --> 00:57:20.699
that time, I've actually found myself liking 90s Star Trek

1299
00:57:20.699 --> 00:57:24.539
considerably less than I did at the time.

1300
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:28.619
And I think Stranger Worlds is the best kind of Star Trek show

1301
00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:34.619
since the original to just be a bunch of people on a mission on a

1302
00:57:34.619 --> 00:57:36.059
starship.

1303
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.460
Everyone is much more relaxed, people are charming.

1304
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:41.039
There's lots of women in the cast rather than just two.

1305
00:57:41.099 --> 00:57:47.219
It's really just fun and enjoyable and it embraces everything that

1306
00:57:47.219 --> 00:57:50.639
it means to be Star Trek, which means it's not all just space

1307
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:51.480
problems.

1308
00:57:51.539 --> 00:57:54.000
Sometimes it's just absurd and ridiculous.

1309
00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:57.239
And there've been some really, really great episodes this season

1310
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.699
culminating in this week's musical episode.

1311
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:01.440
We had that one, okay.

1312
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:06.960
I think Peter described it as the true heir to the original series

1313
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:11.340
whereas now that you see this, you realised what 10G was not

1314
00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:13.019
doing.

1315
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.360
I think that TNG...

1316
00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:19.260
I think TNG has a bit of sort of post-traumatic stress disorder

1317
00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:24.420
from its 1st 2 seasons and then it clamps down very much on what

1318
00:58:24.420 --> 00:58:25.860
it's prepared to do.

1319
00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:31.860
And so it is a bit samey and a little bit visually uninteresting.

1320
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.440
And it's because of the sort of weird...

1321
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:35.400
Reflective of the period.

1322
00:58:35.460 --> 00:58:37.619
Yeah, yeah. production styles and so on.

1323
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:41.099
But it's so desperate to avoid the failures of the 1st 2 years.

1324
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:41.579
Yes.

1325
00:58:41.579 --> 00:58:44.639
It does raise the floor consistent of...

1326
00:58:44.699 --> 00:58:46.800
I preferred the words I prefer the word embarrassment.

1327
00:58:46.860 --> 00:58:48.840
Oh, yeah, no, catastrophes.

1328
00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:54.539
It raises the floor considerably, but the ceiling doesn't go.

1329
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:56.579
That's a great expression.

1330
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.000
Well, they listener, that's over time we have for this wheel.

1331
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.880
We'll be back next week to watch ghosts wandering around a

1332
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:29.340
submarine or something in under the lake.

1333
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:33.179
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1334
00:59:33.179 --> 00:59:36.599
and you can keep up with us on our website, flightthroughentirety

1335
00:59:35.099 --> 00:59:39.300
com, where you'll find all our social media links, as well as

1336
00:59:39.300 --> 00:59:42.960
links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody interterra, maximum

1337
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.539
power, and untitled Star Trek project.

1338
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:49.260
Until next time, remember that it's a prudent idea to put your

1339
00:59:49.260 --> 00:59:52.559
relatives into the 2nd least expensive aged care facility.

1340
00:59:52.619 --> 00:59:55.019
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1341
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:56.159
See you soon.

1342
00:59:56.219 --> 00:59:56.940
Bye for now.

1343
00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:58.500
And good then.

1344
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:08.519
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan

1345
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:10.500
Bottomley, Simon Moore, and Richard Stone.

1346
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.019
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

1347
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:17.519
This episode, a very busy Barnaby Edwards, was recorded on the 6th

1348
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:21.179
of August 2023 and released on the 24th of September.

1349
01:00:21.780 --> 01:00:26.159
Listeners are reminded that although the word mercy does appear in

1350
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:29.820
the Dalek databanks, there is still, of course, no entry for the

1351
01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:30.719
word gullible.

1352
01:00:39.780 --> 01:00:44.280
Yeah, so the other thing is, I don't know what social media things

1353
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:46.079
are going to exist either. you know what I mean?

1354
01:00:46.139 --> 01:00:48.239
Oh, in terms of X. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1355
01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:50.340
I'm not saying X. Are we on threads there?

1356
01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:50.579
Yeah.

1357
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:52.559
No, no, it doesn't even have to make it.

1358
01:00:52.619 --> 01:00:53.880
I'm on friends.

1359
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:54.960
Isn't that Twitter?

1360
01:00:55.019 --> 01:00:56.639
I don't read them very much.

1361
01:00:56.699 --> 01:01:00.239
Twitter without... without quite so many Nazis.

1362
01:01:00.300 --> 01:01:01.320
I just...

1363
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:02.340
But it's another...

1364
01:01:02.340 --> 01:01:02.940
I noticed something.

1365
01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:06.000
I'm like, it's already posted 24 hours ago and no one's going to

1366
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:07.079
care if I responded.

1367
01:01:07.139 --> 01:01:09.000
Is it owned by Facebook?

1368
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:09.900
Yes, it's Instagram.

1369
01:01:10.019 --> 01:01:13.619
It got 1000000 sign-ups in the 1st week.

1370
01:01:13.739 --> 01:01:15.599
Because it's not, blah, blah.

1371
01:01:15.659 --> 01:01:16.320
Yeah, yeah.

1372
01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:18.000
And because Twitter was shit itself that weekend.

1373
01:01:18.059 --> 01:01:19.619
All right. let's have a look at it.

1374
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:20.880
Okay.

1375
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:21.239
Okay.

1376
01:01:21.420 --> 01:01:22.980
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