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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that has a pointed stick here and isn't afraid to use it.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Simon.

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And I'm your smelly old uncle's canary in a dodge and car hurtling 20 feet through fear and faeces for this one.

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Well, the doctor's moral conundrum continues this week as he wrestles with the possibility that rescuing a child on a battlefield is morally necessary, even if the child is a bit whiny and has a very dirty face.

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But let's take a look at the moral issues he tramples over on the way as we continue last week's fun in the witches familiar.

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So I think that last week, when we were talking about this, I discovered what's really happening here, and I want to share my theory with a whole new audience.

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So buckle up.

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I think the doctor is ashamed for abandoning he's ashamed about abandoning Davros on the battlefield. so the pre-credit sequence is happening in time.

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It's not a flashback.

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He's the 1st thing that happens in the episode.

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Then he thinks that Davros knows about it.

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And because he's ashamed of it, he goes to see Davros and has decided that if it's a trap, he's not going to do anything about it.

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Then he goes back and we see him go back in this episode.

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And from Davros's point of view, that always happens.

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So he goes back, saves the kid, introduces the concept of mercy to the Daleks in that way.

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And that was always Davros's experience.

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So Davros called him back because he remembers that the doctor saved him as a little boy and he wants to get the doctor to admit that compassion like that is a bad idea.

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I have a slightly alternative view.

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Which is sort of like that.

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But I think it's one of those things that it's rather like in a Christmas carol, as time is rewritten, that has a sort of a gradual flow on a flex through time.

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So the original thing is the doctor abandons the child Davros and he is absolutely worried, then that that is what has actually set the Daleks in train.

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Yeah.

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He's been abandoned in this minefield and it wasn't rescued.

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Like someone was there and could have rescued him and didn't.

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And so that basically set Davros on the pathway of evil.

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And it's only then when we get to the present, the now present where there is a mercy moment.

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And that's kind of the 2nd thing, because the doctor only goes back and rescues Davros after this story.

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Yes.

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And so basically that's the effect of that flowing through that kind of afterthought, then flowing through and kind of making the current time stream work.

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Yeah, I think that's I think that's the same thing.

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So at the end of last week's episode, when Colony Saft picks them up in the shuttle, he explains to Clara who Davros is and says, how scared would you have to be to put every one of your people into a tank?

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You know, Davros made the Daleks, but who made Davros, and he means him.

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So, this is, in many ways, Genesis of the Daleks.

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This is his genesis of the Daleks.

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And of course, it's done in a completely moffety way.

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Protogenesis.

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Yeah, Genesis of Dabro.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And one of the things we picked up last week was that the Dalek in the Big Bang begs for mercy from River Song.

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Correct.

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Yeah, and we all think, why is a Dalek begging for mercy?

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They don't know the word pissy.

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We know that, that's canonical.

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How come they know it's near synonym mercy?

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And it turns out that many years later we haven't answered that question.

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He does play the long game.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I think also he goes back and sees what he's done and then kind of thinks of things to do with that.

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Stephen has spent a lot of time writing this one.

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I had a Todd experience.

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With this one.

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I did enjoy it the 1st time.

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It's much, much more interesting the 2nd time around and you need to watch.

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I love TV that expects you to pay attention.

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Yeah.

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And of course, when Missy's on, he holds all his powder for when Missy's on screen and that's when you get, oh, and also with Peter and Julian, but that's when you get the, the exposition and the old points and the little secrets and who is her daughter?

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I mean, there's a lot, there is a lot, there is a lot to unpack and unfold here, and lots of mirrors within mirrors and lots of literary and theatre references, which I will talk to you with, when you get up to.

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Yeah, I think it's tremendous.

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I think you had a tight experience as well, Todd.

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As always.

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Sounds a bit wrong, doesn't it, when you say that?

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Having the experience right now, what happens with the Sonic?

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Does the Sonic get left with Davros?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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So he just puts it in a cupboard for all those years.

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Is that right in a box?

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Yes.

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I don't think we need to think about it too much, but yes.

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I think it's in one of those little slots in his chair next to the hypodermic. fondling it in episode one.

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But he only has that revelation now, not...

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Yeah, so he remembers.

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I don't think.

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I mean, obviously he doesn't remember the doctor.

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So he never sees the TARDIS in Genesis of the Daleks because despite what the LP says, TARDIS is not there.

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So he never sees that.

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The doctor never calls himself the doctor in the rescue attempt at the beginning of episode one. called the rescue.

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And so and so he doesn't put 2 and 2 together, I think, until later.

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And remember, it's only Ronson that confiscates the Sonic Scrooge.

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Yeah, so he never sees that.

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I don't think it gets, it's always in that plastic little plastic box on nonsense bears.

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Where they retrieve it later.

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Where they retrieve it later, too.

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Which later.

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He doesn't have his sonic screwdriver when he's talking to Davros at all.

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Yeah, if you knew the future and blah, blah, blah.

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The tiny pressure on my thumb speech.

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Sonic.

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And that's why he creates the Sonic sunglasses because he doesn't have his Sonic screwdriver.

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I think too, Moffat gets sick of stuff that he's been doing a lot and, you know, he constantly...

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Like people.

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And I think the Sonic Sunglasses are pretty great because they kind of fit with this outfit, this more kind of trashy version of the magician's costume from last season with the hoodie and stuff and with the Fender Stratocaster and things.

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And it's a little bit more kind of, he's not quite a boomer Capaldi, or is he?

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But it is, yeah, but he, you know, like it's a kind of old...

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He is a boomer.

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No, he's top end of Gen X, isn't he?

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No, Gen X starts with both pigs. because he was 13 when he was writing in.

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We're mid-Gen X. Yeah, okay.

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Gen X goes to about 7980.

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Okay.

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Yeah, but do you remember we saw Capoldi?

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Yes.

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And he and Moffat.

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Capaldi Moffat and Ingrid Oliver were there.

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It was a Doctor Who event in about the 51st season.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because Australia.

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And someone got up and said to Stephen Moffatt that everyone hates the Sonic sunglasses.

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And Stephen Moffatt said, no, that's ridiculous.

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And it means that anyone who has a pair of sunglasses can play at being the doctor.

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And that's absolutely, you know, Moffatt is very, very aware of the effect that the show has on children and how children take it and how he took it as a child.

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And I think the Sonic sunglasses are great.

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And obviously they work very well next year in the sort of monk, 3 Carter, too.

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Listeners, just and Nathan, everybody in this room, just to reference myself yet again.

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My experience.

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Yes.

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The 1st time round was I wasn't enamoured with the sunglasses or the riding in on the tank tank or the Qatar.

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But I love it now.

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Right?

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I love it.

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I know I'm going back to the previous episode.

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I love so much of that episode.

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I just love how the cold open.

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I love the fact that Kate has a new offsider Jay, who's going to appear later on in the season, I love the fact that Missy and Clara have to find, well, get to the doctor and and then they're all together, like, and that spark is wonderful for those sequences.

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And I love, I love the guitar, the fact that in 2 episodes time they squander the opportunity to keep a guitar theme rather than this tinny one that we've got.

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They could have kept that.

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And I love the guitar later in the season and the whole reveal of Scaro.

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Like, I love all that in all the buildup in that 1st episode.

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I'm not so enamoured with the whole extermination of Clara and Missy.

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I do feel like it's like Stephen's gone in this episode and said, well, I need to explain why it was exterminated and vaporised at the end of last season.

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So I'm going to have them shot here so that I can then explain it in the cold open.

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You know, there's this reverse engineering of stuff, you know?

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And I feel a lot of that in this episode, you've just discussed some really great things that I never really thought about like in terms of where the doctor was and coming back to Ross.

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And I think that's so clever and all the mercy stuff.

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But I do feel in this episode like we're reverse engineering some things, like we have to introduce the age of dalek so we can, and he does that all the time.

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He introduces some new concept early in the episode, which comes into play.

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Well, that's the law of the conservation of information, isn't it?

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It's the 2nd law, which means the more explanation you put in, the less you get out of it.

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You know, we need that get out of jail free card.

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And so the Missy Clara stuff in this episode is just, isn't it delicious?

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It is fantastic, but I do feel like some of the doctor Davostov is marking time, like, really?

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Because I thought that was all very G.K. Chesterton and very Cathgar-S. I like all the 1st stuff where he dumps Davros out of his chair.

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Like, I think...

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Well, who does?

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brilliant.

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I just think later on, I just think they're not playing for time, but I do find it like, you know, Izzy lying and, you know, it just goes on and on and on.

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Like for me anyway.

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Yeah, no, I find those sequences longer than they need to be.

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Did Stephen suddenly say, I want I want Michelle to say the bitches back.

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Like, is that his catalyst for this episode?

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You know where he got it from?

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Dynasty?

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Joan Collins line.

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Oh, it's what they use.

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She didn't say it, but it's what they used back in the 80s.

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It's what's on the TV week cover kind of thing.

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Exactly.

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It's what Aaron spelling used to say that, you know, they're renewed. and it's now a classic line.

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Don't you wish that Missy had actually been called Mercy?

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No.

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We did have the villainess called Mercy. in the next doctor.

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We did.

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I guess what I delete that from my mind.

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I guess what I was trying to say is that this is this is a great episode and I think all the Missy Clara stuff is wonderful and there's wonderful moments, but I actually enjoyed the 1st episode a little bit more than this one.

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That's just me.

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I probably agree with you there.

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I enjoy the 1st one a bit more than the 2nd one.

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I think the 2nd one, I don't want to use the word plods because that would be unfair, but it is not as dynamic, perhaps.

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Well, I mean, you've but that's because you have 4 characters.

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Exactly.

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And in fact, what I noted yesterday morning when I was watching it, that the end credits, there's not very many casts. as you say.

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But look, I, I, I, very busy, and I certainly enjoyed it more than the first.

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Yes, I really enjoy this.

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I certainly enjoyed it more than when it was on 10 or so years ago, when I thought it was kind of fine.

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And there's so much good stuff in it.

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It is brilliant.

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And, you know, Michelle Gomez steals absolutely every scene.

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She's even enhanced her ability to just throw these little lines away and make them so memorable as a result.

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But I just think the whole thing is a little bit random and a little bit kind of, I wish it had gone a slightly different way.

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Having said that, I think it's really entertaining, but unfulfilling, if I can put it that way.

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Do you know what I think?

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I'm going to say the opposite of what people say all the time about new Doctor Who.

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I think this would be better as a single partter because I think basically it has the structure of a short story.

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And so all of the kind of lead up, all of the kind of faffing that gets us here in episode one, which is terribly enjoyable and gives it a bit of scale and stuff.

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I think that could go away and that we just have an encounter with Davros that ends with the doctor leaving and abandoning him and then interaction between the doctor and Danfrost, and then we have another encounter where the doctor is inspired to go back and save him.

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And we have Tom Baker's dialogue in the last episode about, you know, a dictator that would destroy 1000000s of lives.

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Could you then kill that child?

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And so that conundrum gets played out.

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And I think that that works well, but I think that it demands something a little bit tighter, you know, a bit closer focus.

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I entirely agree.

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And that's, I think, my main thing is one of my main issues, even though there's lots of great fun stuff in the 1st episode, and I do actually like the tank bit much more than I did the 1st time around.

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And I love the Missy and Spain or wherever the hell she is.

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The whole sequence there. brilliant.

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And, you know, it's a dramatic open with all of the planes stopping in midair, but none of that has anything to do with the rest of the story.

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And whilst I like the sense of epic where you go from place to place and the story moves and evolves.

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This doesn't feel like it's doing that.

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It's just here's a whole lot of stuff.

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Oh, and now here's this episode that I actually wanted to do.

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So I agree with that.

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I really like both of your observations.

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That's really a great point, Nathan.

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Everything could be one episode, but we're now repeating what we've done with Matt Smith.

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The 2nd season of the next doctor is a two-part story.

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And we're trying to introduce the confession dial, the hybrid.

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We want to play with Missy, Michelle's not going to be back for ages.

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You know, there's a whole melting pot of stuff.

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And what you were saying, Simon, in this episode, there's only those characters.

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I'm gonna borrow from the publicity of the season, same old, same old, you know.

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Does it feel exciting and new?

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Like, I think later in the season, the Zygon 2 parter is also the same old same old, where in the 2nd part, because Clara is the villain.

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You only have the same characters. that doesn't feel new, right?

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And it's something that, as I've been watching this season.

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I really enjoyed so much of this, like even the dud episode, and you may not know what that one is.

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But it just doesn't feel fresh.

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Like he's trying to do something fresh.

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But there's something I'm just, maybe it's not this story, but there's something that I'm just finding that isn't quite reaching out to the masses.

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It is much more looking at us as fans, I feel.

221
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That's exactly what I felt too, but I loved it for that and the introspection and that this season is about looking inwards and hybridisation.

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He tells you what he's going to do.

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There's the hybridisation of Clara Osmond and Daleks, which you've seen into the Dalek and it's properly exposed when she's in the Dolgin cart.

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There's Missy and the doctor, Davros and the doctor.

225
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Well, he's can we have compassion without experiencing that which compassion must exist with.

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You cannot perform an act of compassion, without the act of, shall we say, violence and whatever is going on here.

227
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I would say actually indifference.

228
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What did Hannah Arent said, the root of all evil is banality, when she was talking about the Nuremberg trials.

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There's even notes to that.

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There's notes to so many films and so many texts and there's a lot of stoicism.

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He's actually quoting Marcus Aurelius in some of the literal moments between Dar Ross.

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Can't say it any other way.

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And um, It's just like, yes, yes, the mirroring of what is good and what is, we're not good and how am I a good man?

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And it's even explicitly stated.

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I love how Davros mirrors into the Dalek class last season. you know, are you a good doctor?

236
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Yeah, but he says he asks himself, is he a good man?

237
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I think none of that lands quite as well as the incredible conversation between Davros and Tom Baker's doctor, which inspires this episode. which I just think is incredible.

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And it's actually very rare for me to say, here is something that the classic series nailed and that actually hasn't been surpassed in this episode.

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Yeah, just to extend on what was being said before about what Todd you were saying about the fact that some of those scenes drag.

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I think that's just it.

241
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It was a single scene.

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A long scene, but a single scene.

243
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I think the problem here is we keep coming back to them chatting and it's just come on, get on with it.

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It doesn't quite have the focus that that other one does.

245
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And so that other scene, which is about power.

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And what you can do with power.

247
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And of course, the could I then kill this child isn't part of a conversation with Davros, is it?

248
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Is it?

249
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Well, there are 2 conversations later with Sarah.

250
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Oh, of course it is.

251
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Yeah.

252
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Yeah.

253
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So the conversations that they have, you know, the tiny pressure on my thumb.

254
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, you all be.

256
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Yeah, that's in our minds.

257
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But also, I mean, my big bugbear, of course, is sound design.

258
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And one of the things that that scene does so well is the fact that it's quiet for most of it, apart from when you gradually get the incidental music kind of encroaching at the end.

259
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Whereas, of course, everything now has to be loud and forceful in terms of the music.

260
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Are you loving the torture porn?

261
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Really, if he'd had Liz Slatin, you know, if Russell hadn't brought back Liz and Stephen Moffatt had, this is what we would have been seeing.

262
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And it's not that far off what Philip Hinchcliffe was doing to Sarah Jane anyway.

263
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Oh, no, but it's much better because Missy's doing it.

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Shot opens up with the rotating.

265
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And then it turns out she's tighter upside down.

266
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But don't forget who is the...

267
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No, it's not.

268
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I want to keep saying it's Brian Miller who's ghost script writing, but it's not.

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It's Brian Minchin.

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But it's just glorious, isn't it?

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I should also add the bitch's back is actually off Elton John's 74 album, Caribou.

272
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It's where it actually actually comes from, yeah.

273
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Just to extend what you were saying, Richard, about it becoming a bit more introspective.

274
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That for me at the time, I was an alarm bell, and I'm sure we'll come to the discussion of ratings later.

275
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But I question whether that sort of style of writing, which has been encroaching more into the series since the 50th anniversary, particularly, rather than being introspective within the current season or the current seasons, we're now being more introspective into the 50-year history of the show.

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Danger, danger, danger.

277
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It's exactly where the show started going wrong.

278
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Danger, Ian Levine.

279
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Yeah, no, and I think whilst that's something you can do at the end of a season, I really worry with opening a season, which is something which is exploring, I know it's doing more than just exploring one scene from a story that was 30 years earlier, 40 years earlier, 30 years earlier, 40 years earlier.

280
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Nearly 40 years earlier.

281
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You know, I worry.

282
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I think that that needs to be taken into consideration.

283
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I think it also opens with that scene, which is another analysis of the doctor's character, but I actually think that works amazingly well.

284
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So that's the missy, telling the flashback, where Tom Baker is the doctor briefly, and then we just set along Capoli.

285
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And just say, well, we've got it.

286
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We got him.

287
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And it does 2 jobs.

288
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I think it is a really good assessment of the doctor's character.

289
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The doctor wins because he just doesn't envisage himself losing.

290
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Oh, that's great, yeah.

291
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It's the advice that he gives Davros at the beginning where he says, forget about the 1000, think about the one.

292
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All you need is one chance in a 1000, but it also, at the same time, does the job of explaining what happened to Missy in death in heaven and explaining what happened to Clara and Missy in the previous episode.

293
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And also, I think, rather brilliantly, may hear it always possible that anyone in Doctor Who who's been shot by a laser beam can then be brought back because it was a teleport.

294
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Yes, but we saw that in like Bad Wolf.

295
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Yeah, yeah, bad wolf.

296
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That's actually, I thought of Bad Wolf more before I thought of... until it then came back to be when I was watching the previous episode.

297
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I was thinking more of Bad Wolf than it being, you know, a way of explaining Missy.

298
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But what we didn't see was the little pile of zanium on the floor, which we saw in Bad War.

299
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That is true, yes, yes.

300
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I'm quite happy to talk about ratings right now.

301
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When are you not?

302
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But it's interesting.

303
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There is a step down, isn't there?

304
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There is.

305
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6.500000 for last week.

306
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That by far is the lowest opener.

307
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Mostly openers are like 8000000 or more or about that throughout the entire... time of year is it?

308
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It's mid-September.

309
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Right.

310
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Right.

311
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And so like last year, last year, last season.

312
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Although last year started slightly earlier.

313
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Right.

314
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August, I think, yeah.

315
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Very early.

316
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Yeah.

317
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But this week falls to 5.7.

318
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Okay?

319
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And, I mean, the AIs are still very good. 84 and 83 very similar to what they were getting last year.

320
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And the whole season is hovering around that 6 million, like either just under or just over.

321
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But that is a step down from previous where basically most of the season tends to be over 7 or just under 7.

322
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So it's a good 1000000 plus 10000 to a 1000000 and a half less on average for most of the year.

323
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And the overnight, like this week's overnight was only 3.71.

324
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So suddenly 2000000 more.

325
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So there's a big shift in the audience.

326
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There is a big shift in the way people are watching, which I think there are a few steps in that.

327
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And I don't think it's fully reflected in how the ratings are calculated yet, you know, with streaming and iPlayer and all that's not added in.

328
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I mean, the 2015 World Cup rugby is on and there's a number of major matches.

329
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Now, I'm not saying that's going to influence things greatly, like you might get, you know, some television sets in a house not getting turned on, but there is like a 1000000 less people easily.

330
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I mean, the weather is so important over there.

331
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Because, you know, as you're heading into autumn and still in September, even into October, you can have these still gloriously late afternoons.

332
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And what wins the show on 630 or 7 o'clock or something?

333
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I mean, you know, that's also a factor in people not watching it.

334
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But also, doesn't this, doesn't the series?

335
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my concern is that you'd expect a gradual increase in the figures at this time of the year as you get together into November and so on.

336
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It bounces around a bit for this season.

337
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Like it does pick up to 6.5 , but then it drops back down to 5.6 and then it's back up to six.

338
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So there's really not much movement, but by about half a 1000000 throughout the entire season.

339
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What's interesting looking at the figures that I have here.

340
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The percentage of audience is generally, either the low to mid 20s, like 25%, 22%, that's one of the lowest ones, this week was only 22.9.

341
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But if you look back in the history of things, Doctor Who was around 30%.

342
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That's the percentage of people watching television at that moment.

343
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That's correct.

344
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And if you go back, it's usually the high 20s to mid-30s.

345
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Yeah, so that is the more meaningful figure in some ways.

346
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So there is there is the change here.

347
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Sorry to get bogged down with that.

348
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No, no.

349
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I mean, I just kind of wonder whether it is that introspective thing. and whether it's 2 partters.

350
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I mean, part of the problem with two-parters is, if you miss episode one, you might not tune into episode two, but they always...

351
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No, that's true.

352
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But the fact that episode one this year is down by a million plus is significant.

353
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And I think that is this lag from the 50th.

354
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Let me discuss this, you know, the hangover from that.

355
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The fact that people can now tune out.

356
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There's the same old, same old trailer, you know?

357
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Do you think it's also that we've got someone with Dar Ross's own face, as it's pointed out?

358
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I honestly do think part of that 1000000 is the not the young, not we, saying, oh, tell me, look at that.

359
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Well, I want to look at that.

360
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General sort of people going, we're used to having young pretty doctor.

361
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Yes, you know?

362
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Really?

363
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That's the...

364
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Yeah, I mean, I'm less inclined to think that, but I can see it.

365
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I think that's how casual views.

366
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I was wanting Stephen Moffatt to put a paper bag over Dear Peter's face and have him smoke underneath it just as Michael did in Genesis of Catholics between takes.

367
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We get a couple, see, daff put a paper bag of everything.

368
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He did get the cup of tea.

369
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It was very Denny Kay. always do that in Britain when he was on stage.

370
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Everyone hated it.

371
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There are lots of those twee moments.

372
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I actually think it's cost, really, it's just ageism.

373
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It may be ages.

374
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Scripts are so interesting.

375
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They look beautiful.

376
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It looks gorgeous.

377
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Do you not agree?

378
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It just looks I agree. looks gorgeous, but I don't think the scripts are interesting to a general audience.

379
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They require...

380
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We always have something sort of fun and light and set on earth pretty much as our 1st episode.

381
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If it's not set on earth, it's like set on new earth or something like that, you know, the Russell approach.

382
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I'm just concentrating on the new character, we don't have that this year.

383
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Concentrating on the new character, doing something fun and light and relatable and something that, you know, your mum can watch.

384
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Whereas this, I think, isn't that?

385
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It's too dark, yeah.

386
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In fact, a friend in Britain, because actually, that's right.

387
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I was actually in Britain when this was on.

388
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We were on Monday there and that's right.

389
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And I remember a British friend saying it had gone far too far with Daros having been pulled out of the chair at the beginning of this episode and basically writhing on the ground with his, you know, nothing on his bottom half.

390
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Basically, he felt that that was a bit too gross for the purposes of the audience.

391
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It's interesting because when I was watching it this time, I kind of, that moment sort of stuck with me and I went, I just kind of went, that is quite nasty.

392
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I bet there are people who see the doctor pulling Davros out of his wheelchair and then driving off with it.

393
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And his Davros like, screw it.

394
00:28:15.539 --> 00:28:16.619
Oh, yes, he did.

395
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I wouldn't care.

396
00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:19.680
But it does seem very bad.

397
00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:25.079
And also, yeah, basically, and also him, the doctor being in the chair as well.

398
00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:31.740
There's something slightly icky about that in terms of, yeah, if Matt Smith or David Tennant had done it, would we be batting an eyelid?

399
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:32.220
my question.

400
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:33.839
Well, I still would be, yeah.

401
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:36.059
I don't think it's a capaldi thing.

402
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:40.440
I think it is funny and I think it is clever at work. dark though.

403
00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:46.319
Yeah, but when he says, this is clearly the place on Scaro best defended against Daleks.

404
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:49.319
I think that that's actually quite a good thought.

405
00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:53.759
Yeah, I mean, I think the case for a fluffy opener is perfectly understandable and perfectly fine.

406
00:28:53.819 --> 00:29:03.900
But one of my favourites, I think, my favourite opener would be the Impossible Astronaut 2 parter, I think it is, it does everything that I want Doctor Who to do, and I think it is also accessible to it. the regular audience.

407
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:05.279
Exactly.

408
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:05.819
Exactly.

409
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Massive scale. and that's the one that feels like this is what I want Doctor Who to be.

410
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:13.259
But it's also said on Earth, which I think is much more relatable than some other planet.

411
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:16.920
And you've also got the doctor being killed off quite early.

412
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So there's this hook about, Oh, there's an immediate hook.

413
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And there's also lots of just fun hanging out with River and Rory and Amy and the doctor and those are characters that we know well and that we generally like, I think.

414
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And you've got these other characters and you've got a sort of a sense of epic what's going to happen and you've got the silence which is just so superb.

415
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So anyway, point being that this does not do that.

416
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Yes, it's entertaining and all that, but I don't think it speaks to the general audience the same way.

417
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And I don't think there's a substitute.

418
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Like, I can't think of anything else this season that you could have brought forward to do that job because it's all a little bit dark and a little bit slow because we're all doing 2 parters all the time.

419
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Am I right?

420
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My memory of this.

421
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I don't think the two-parter thing is necessarily the issue, hence the impossible astronaut example.

422
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Yeah.

423
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The impossible astronaut works because you've got the hook as Todgers said.

424
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This has a sort of a hook, I suppose, because you've got the Davros thing.

425
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But at the same time, yeah, I know the general audience.

426
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You're almost certain they're going to know who Davros is.

427
00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:18.660
Yeah, well, the most famous.

428
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:19.619
Yes, absolutely.

429
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:26.519
And that show, you know, journey's end, you stole an earthen journey's end rated its socks off and he's from the very heyday of the show.

430
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:27.480
Yeah.

431
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:44.519
That got me like having Davros in that cold open, having Skaro, like all that stuff in that for this episode really saying to me, but is that as a Doctor Who fan of many years, as opposed to, like, it's hard to know, really, without talking to someone in the general public.

432
00:30:44.579 --> 00:30:48.539
Now, we're having this conversation, which seems to be poo-pooing this episode.

433
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.039
And I just want to say that's not the case.

434
00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:54.059
I really love I really like this a lot.

435
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.819
This is an 8.4, right?

436
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.019
The whole story overall.

437
00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:59.339
Where did it lose a .1?

438
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:04.019
Because last episode was 8.5 and this is 8.3 because it gets bogged out.

439
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:05.519
Oh, the whole story is 8.4.

440
00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:06.180
Yeah that's right.

441
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.480
But I'm just saying, yes, keep laughing, Nathan.

442
00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:13.380
Like next week, the next 2 part, 8.9.

443
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:14.759
Where am I pulling this out from?

444
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:15.779
I'm just damn, you know?

445
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:31.140
I wonder, I think what you've said, been very interesting about ratings and the viewers and how people take this on, and I wonder if it's a cultural or forgive the term millennial way of viewing or experiencing, because I'm thinking of the traditional writers using characters.

446
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.539
Not just Agatha Christie mudgering Allingham.

447
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:44.880
Anyway, when a writer progresses with, as Stephen Moffat has done, over so many seasons, it's the natural state to become introspective with your character after exploring the outer world what is left.

448
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:46.319
Again, it's very stoic.

449
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:52.920
So we come back in and we write of our response to our experiences of previous novels.

450
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.740
And for the long-term viewer.

451
00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:00.839
I would think that would be inviting, but it is how people watch.

452
00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:11.279
And with what Simon and Todd is saying, perhaps people at this stage, Todd, you probably know more about this, are watching on devices individually rather than on TV or as a family.

453
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.619
I'm not sure how it still works in the UK.

454
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:21.180
But I found this more intriguing and inviting because of the invitation to come into the characters.

455
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:31.740
Yeah, I don't think the issue is necessarily that you've got episodes that require you to have seen the previous episode and the story because that's how people are watching television more and more, whether they're crushing up.

456
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.920
You know, you commit, you are, you're either going to watch a season or something or you're not.

457
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:37.980
You're not just going to watch a random episode of it as a rule, right?

458
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.799
Even if it's on broadcast television, because you've got iPlayer and all that kind of stuff.

459
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:46.259
I'm not talking about the fact it's 2 part in the fact that it's referencing each other episode or even an episode from the previous season.

460
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:57.240
It's the fact that it's kind of trying to too deeply reference the whole arc of the program or at least it's reaching back too far into the depths of history to open the season with.

461
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:58.980
That's my observation.

462
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.740
There are loads of people that don't watch the original series.

463
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:03.299
Yeah, 0 yeah, I think so too.

464
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:09.359
I mean, I think the reason that we like this is because it's doing precisely what you say.

465
00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:20.099
This is a single, you know, 45 minute story that has 4 characters, all of whom have been in the show for a long time, even Clara, who's the most recent arrival.

466
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:28.980
I mean, you've got the doctor, Davros, and the master who've all been in it since, you know, it began all the 1970s or whatever.

467
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:30.660
So we like it.

468
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:37.319
But what I think is that it just doesn't have enough fun, shiny things happening.

469
00:33:37.380 --> 00:33:41.519
It all looks a bit bleak, it's a little bit lacking in incident.

470
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:47.940
It's a lot of people standing around and talking, which, again, talking urgently. that we like.

471
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.359
No, the lighter moments are all missy.

472
00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:54.059
The light, all the fun is missy and Clara.

473
00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:55.680
And missy's lines.

474
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:59.940
Yeah, yeah Pushing it down the ears.

475
00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:00.839
Oh, yeah, yeah.

476
00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:04.920
The smile where she says get in. and then she has this wonderful smile.

477
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:13.619
I want a pointy stick. make your own No, she gets rid of that the dalek with her...

478
00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:13.980
Yeah, yes.

479
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.019
Stopping around and just poking it.

480
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:16.619
Yeah, yeah.

481
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:17.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

482
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:24.360
Well, when she talks about the TARDIS last week and says that it's the dog's unmentionable to then start stroking the dog.

483
00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:26.699
Derrick Beamler.

484
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:31.860
But it's the dwarf star alloy brooch, isn't it, where she's poking?

485
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.900
I'm poking How could she lift that thing?

486
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:34.679
How heavy would it be?

487
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:36.420
works out.

488
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.880
Did you know that?

489
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:50.400
A certain bit that I loved and watching her face because she's not actually delivering anything at this moment is in that climax scene where basically Capaldi's destroying them all by saying, you know, the sewers are revolting and all that sort of stuff.

490
00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:54.539
And she's just watching him do it and loving it and that's actually where they bond.

491
00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:02.400
Because she is, that is what she does, but she obviously is more evil, whereas he's actually doing exactly what she wants to do.

492
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:03.360
Yeah.

493
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:08.280
Well, he's that imp, you know, he's the imp who falls out of the sky and tears down your world.

494
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:09.420
The master's got to love that.

495
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:10.260
Exactly.

496
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.900
And that's the part of the doctor that the master associates with. yeah.

497
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.079
I love how she does poke Davros in the eye.

498
00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:16.739
Yes, it is.

499
00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:20.579
Like, she says she was going to scratch his eye out last week.

500
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:25.260
The doctor said that, you know, he was his arch enemy.

501
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.420
And so she does actually follow through.

502
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:29.760
Talking of eyes.

503
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:31.619
Now, everybody.

504
00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:33.900
Listen to me. listen to me.

505
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.400
You need to all close your eyes now.

506
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.860
In the next 10,000 years.

507
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:43.019
And then the conjunctivitis that you would have, you're trying to open them back.

508
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:43.800
Yes, yes.

509
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:50.099
Like, I mean, it's very emotive and you really see into Davros's song.

510
00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:51.599
Like those eyes are so striking.

511
00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:53.639
So you're accusing Dr. not being realistic.

512
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.880
Do we close our eyes and then open them?

513
00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:58.139
I don't know at the time.

514
00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:59.219
I'm quite happy with it.

515
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.300
Well, that was the regenerative energy, wasn't it, that Irish...

516
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:03.780
Oh, okay.

517
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:12.599
Well, so really he's been, I, look, also, Julian Bleach is only slightly more terrifying out of costume, is in, if you've ever seen him.

518
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:15.719
It's forever though, changed the way I can look at that mask.

519
00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:22.199
Yeah, seeing the dead eye sockets and then suddenly seeing the dead eye sockets open with the blue light at the top.

520
00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:25.260
It's like, oh, now suddenly it's a man in a mask.

521
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:31.500
So, yeah, we'd always just assumed his eyes were burnt out, which was what was the most terrific thing about that.

522
00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:33.480
About the original...

523
00:36:33.539 --> 00:36:37.199
Terry Malloy mask, which looks much more like that's what's going on.

524
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.260
I...

525
00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:41.039
How do you feel?

526
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:44.639
Well, like, it's a very moffety thing.

527
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:50.219
It's, you know, this is something that you know Well, I'm going to reinterpret it and let's see what happens.

528
00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:55.500
We have it with the doctor leaving Galafray gets reinterpreted.

529
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:59.400
It's kind of like, yes, the canonical reason is he was bored.

530
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:04.559
And we have Davros pointing out, well, actually, that doesn't really work, does it?

531
00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:05.760
Why do you keep running then?

532
00:37:05.820 --> 00:37:09.300
No one runs that far or that fast because of boredom.

533
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.760
Here, we're just reevaluating Davros.

534
00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:14.099
It turns out Davros can see.

535
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:22.619
And remember that he can't open his eyes the next morning and whether he's bunging it on in order to get the regeneration energy, who can tell at this point.

536
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:30.360
But the idea is that it's effortful and painful and, you know, his eyes are still there, but they don't kind of work.

537
00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:46.559
This is as much speaking of hybrids. hybridisation of Genesis of the Daleks and curse of fatal death as it is anything else. running down corridors and plummeting through, as I've mentioned, in the opening of plummeting through the graveyard sewers.

538
00:37:46.619 --> 00:37:47.219
Yes.

539
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:48.000
Yes.

540
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:53.699
I really do wonder why he didn't bring Jonathan Price back in a cameo.

541
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.119
Just in a reflection, just in one of those doorways, the lift doors.

542
00:37:57.179 --> 00:37:58.199
He's missing from Doctor Who.

543
00:37:58.260 --> 00:37:59.820
He's missing from all of our lives.

544
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:08.039
I would have liked missy to just pass a piece of polished stain of steel in the Dalek city and just seen Jonathan Price's face staring back at her say, that's Canon.

545
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:10.860
He could have been in the Dr. Falls.

546
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.159
Oh, but I'm quite serious.

547
00:38:14.219 --> 00:38:17.699
I think Mr. Moffat is pulling because of...

548
00:38:17.699 --> 00:38:26.519
Forgive the cesspit analogies, but pulling everything he's done that he most loves and throwing it back at us as a pizza supreme, saying, what do you want to do with this kids?

549
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.260
He does love that, doesn't he?

550
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.219
He's quite that exponential style of writing that he does.

551
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.260
So are you liking the eyes or not?

552
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:41.039
I think that it does successfully generate pity for Davros, which is what he's going for at that point.

553
00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:43.500
And I do like the little moment.

554
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.440
It's digetic in Brendan...

555
00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:55.199
But I also like the moment where they are on the same side together, even though later we discover they're not really, but that is kind of nice.

556
00:38:55.260 --> 00:39:18.119
Like, like, you buy Davros being sincere because he's happy for the doctor, for kind of Nazism reasons, you know, everyone needs. iPhone needs home soil and a race, you know, like, and so he's happy for the doctor, but he expresses it in kind of, like, Nazi kind of terms.

557
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:27.300
Rent talks about this in the Eichmann trial, you know, her or her book on Speer, the great journalist who documented the neural.

558
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.239
Did anyone see child, what was it called?

559
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:32.460
The Nuremberg trial in the 1962 film?

560
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:34.139
No, it's called trial at Newenberg.

561
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:34.500
Thank you.

562
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:35.039
Have you seen it?

563
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:35.519
Yes.

564
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:36.420
Years and years ago.

565
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:41.099
This makes Missy Judy Garland, I think. that one.

566
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:42.119
Don't remember that one.

567
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.219
It's got it's got everyone in it.

568
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:48.599
But there's that very subtle play of, I mean, they don't, I don't know how well they're carried off.

569
00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:52.139
I haven't seen it since, you know, but that thing of who is the inquisitor.

570
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:53.159
It's very the prisoner.

571
00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:59.760
Leo McCern and Patrick McGuin as Capaldi and Bleach in this and the duality, I feel like.

572
00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:02.280
I mean, it's actually a very simple concept and it goes back.

573
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:03.719
It's Roman, isn't it?

574
00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:07.860
This dialogue of who is actually the better man.

575
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.960
But when we start looking at R our morals and our ethics. actually defined as the same thing.

576
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:23.099
And when we separate them, do we not create artificial descriptions of ourselves or artificial monickers of ourselves, which then separate us even further from our truth and what is our truth?

577
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.420
There's some really high concept in this, which is probably why casual viewers would go.

578
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.860
Well, I think I think it kind of rejects any overarching theory of morality too.

579
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.239
Yeah, just asks you to question it.

580
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:40.619
Yeah, yeah, because I think eventually the doctor says, I am just a guy who travels around and on a good day.

581
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:41.940
I'm the doctor.

582
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.760
And he's the doctor when he does a good thing.

583
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:59.519
And, you know, we've talked about Doctor Who rejecting utilitarianism, in a sense, if you wanted to reduce the amount of suffering in the universe, you leave Davros to die on the battlefield, which is what the doctor does.

584
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:06.300
But the doctor then becomes the sort of person who abandons a child to die on the battlefield, and that's a problem.

585
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:23.280
And in fact, he finds a way of, you know, it's what the doctor was supposed to do in Genesis of the Daleks, which was either of their creation or affect their evolution, so they become less aggressive creatures.

586
00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:24.059
You see?

587
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:25.860
Yeah, you know it off my heart.

588
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:27.840
We all do.

589
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.179
Well, we know 60 minutes enough.

590
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.300
And that's what he does.

591
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:40.559
He goes back and introduces the idea of mercy into the Dalek vocabulary.

592
00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:47.460
And as I said before, it's a near synonym of the word that Davros eliminated from their vocabulary.

593
00:41:47.519 --> 00:42:01.980
And so he goes back to bring more mercy and compassion into the universe in a kind of weird hope that that will spread or that that will have good consequences and it does.

594
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:06.780
And I think that's interesting and that's what this is doing.

595
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:14.519
That's how I think this is relitigating the ideas in Genesis of the Daleks, but in a vastly different type of story.

596
00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:15.179
It's interesting.

597
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:28.500
The one thing that's not really negated in that theory is the notion in Genesis of the Daleks in that the wires speech about some things will be better with the Daleks future worlds will become allies just because of their fear of the Daleks.

598
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:34.079
So basically the notion of just preventing their creation at all is actually possibly not the best solution.

599
00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:35.760
And that's not actually touched on.

600
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:37.079
No, no.

601
00:42:37.139 --> 00:42:39.360
I mean, it can't be done, can it?

602
00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:39.659
You know?

603
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:40.860
No, no, of course.

604
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:42.059
But I don't know.

605
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.360
I know what you're saying, but yeah, nah.

606
00:42:58.860 --> 00:43:01.320
We've talked about Genesis of the Dialects.

607
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:02.639
We haven't talked about is the dark.

608
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:03.480
Oh, isn't it exciting?

609
00:43:03.539 --> 00:43:05.579
Or the dead planet or the mutants or whatever we were supposed to call it.

610
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:06.840
Although they're the wrong colour.

611
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:11.039
No, no, but the city itself. isn't it beautiful?

612
00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:12.059
so beautiful.

613
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:13.739
It's very TV 21.

614
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:14.760
Yes, yes.

615
00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:19.199
Well, no, but I think there were 2 model versions of the Dialect City and the 1st one was rejected or something.

616
00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:20.699
It's Jerry Bentham's the beginning.

617
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.679
Oh, is it actually more like the original model?

618
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:27.300
Well, it's kind of a mixture between the two, but it's more like the, it's more like the one that appears.

619
00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:29.519
But it's a television version, not the film version, definitely.

620
00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:30.000
Yeah.

621
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:31.619
And I love the angle doors.

622
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:32.460
Oh, yes.

623
00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:35.519
And the doors that come down in a circle and stuff.

624
00:43:35.579 --> 00:43:41.760
And I talked last week about the Dalek control room, which is a bit more massive than anything we see in the Daleks.

625
00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:47.760
But it does have an excitingly Sir Ken Adam slanted roof, which...

626
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:49.860
The 20 something degrees and the 7 degrees.

627
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:54.300
Is this the 1st time I had an epiphany as a fanboy, you just take it all on board?

628
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.880
Why did I never get Womp Womp?

629
00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:04.320
Is the heart of the Daleks and the meaning of the Daleks and it's been right there since episode 5 of Doctor Who.

630
00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:06.599
It's what Moffat does, though, isn't it?

631
00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:08.039
Like he creates.

632
00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:13.860
He takes this thing that has been in Doctor Who and then gives it gives it an interpretation.

633
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.780
Maybe they just left on the parking brakes as well.

634
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:17.159
Okay, that.

635
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.039
You know, I love that.

636
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:25.320
Like, especially Missy saying, like, the cyberman suppress emotion.

637
00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:27.000
Yes, the Daleks channel it.

638
00:44:27.059 --> 00:44:28.079
Isn't that gorgeous?

639
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:29.219
It is.

640
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.800
You've never really thought about that in your head before, perhaps.

641
00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:34.260
Product differentiation between...

642
00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:34.920
But that's it.

643
00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:38.519
So they say exterminate because they're recharging their weapons.

644
00:44:38.579 --> 00:44:42.119
Yeah, the expression of that hatred recharges the weapons for them.

645
00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:43.440
I think it's really great.

646
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:53.099
Yeah, that whole thing, that whole thing where she gets put where Clara gets put in the dalek, like Ian Chesterton is, you know, before her.

647
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.079
Yeah, that's true.

648
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.059
Ian doesn't get the little probes into his...

649
00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:57.360
No.

650
00:44:57.420 --> 00:45:02.699
Which is why that dialect can't sort of properly speak, but it's very crowded. just the way you talk.

651
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:07.980
You know, you're different from me. comes out as exterminate.

652
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.260
I love you, comes out as exterminate.

653
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:11.099
It's so good.

654
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:14.219
Yeah, I buy that for some of them, but I, yeah.

655
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.500
Well, you know, it's very brightly.

656
00:45:16.500 --> 00:45:17.159
Yes, exactly.

657
00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:19.019
Mr. Moffatt has been married a long time.

658
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:26.099
But it leads up to the final scene with Clara in that Dalek.

659
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:29.039
The doctor and Missy saying, oh, you know, Clara's dead.

660
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:32.400
This is the one that killed her. the tension that you feel at that point in time.

661
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:35.340
I love how the doctor just tells her to run as well.

662
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.940
It's, you know, that's his that's his response.

663
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.940
You know, she's tried to trick him into killing Clara.

664
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.559
And he just says Ron and she kind of realises, yes, actually, I better.

665
00:45:46.860 --> 00:45:49.079
What happens to her at the end?

666
00:45:49.139 --> 00:45:51.900
She ends up there with the Daleks and that's it, really.

667
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.619
Yes. as I recall.

668
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:56.880
What does she say?

669
00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:57.659
She says something.

670
00:45:58.739 --> 00:46:01.440
She's surrounded by Daleks.

671
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:04.860
And she said, I've just had a very clever idea.

672
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:05.880
What is her idea?

673
00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:08.760
to be continued.

674
00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:12.000
Well, it's that usual thing that you have to do with the master now.

675
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:17.699
Well, you always kind of had to do in the 80s, which has just put them in an impossible situation and then forget about it.

676
00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.139
Yes, I mean, whether it's her.

677
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:30.300
Hurtling into the distant parts or distant future or whatever happens to him and the Rani or he ends up with the axons, you know, surrounded by the axons, being attacked by the people of Castra Valver, whom he created.

678
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:31.559
For example, yes.

679
00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:34.980
As it all collapses around.

680
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah. love that.

681
00:46:38.340 --> 00:46:39.659
No, you need that sort of thing.

682
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:43.860
And I prefer the ones that are like that rather than the ones where he gets, you know, burnt to a crisp within the planet of fire.

683
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.179
Yeah, that was a bit of a problem.

684
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:45.960
Oh, yes.

685
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.400
Well, no, but in terms of like you want to, you need the little window out, yes.

686
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:54.179
I do like the doctor saying to Deveros, moron.

687
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:55.260
Sewers.

688
00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:55.920
Two words.

689
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.000
So, I mean, what is that?

690
00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:02.460
There's a sort of Marxist revolution at the end.

691
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:13.380
The sewers are revolting, the lower orders are rising up through the thing and killing everyone, which again is a very kind of Moffatt thing, and I guess it gets him to do the revolting partner.

692
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:14.280
Yeah.

693
00:47:14.340 --> 00:47:19.739
But the doctor has to use his regeneration energy a bit of it to, you know, and suddenly it's a trap.

694
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.539
I don't like when they use the regeneration energy for things like this.

695
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.000
I think it diminishes the regenerations.

696
00:47:27.059 --> 00:47:29.219
Well, he's small.

697
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.460
Like when the 17th doctor is really small.

698
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:33.539
Now we'll know why.

699
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.179
Because he says I'll be shorter or I'll lose an arm or something.

700
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:41.699
No, I get I wasn't getting awful.

701
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:42.480
I don't know.

702
00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:45.300
I just kind of like the regeneration energy for regenerations.

703
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.760
I just kind of think, well, we can just turn it on and off as we need to.

704
00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:48.719
Yeah, exactly.

705
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:49.679
And just use this little bit.

706
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:51.059
Get out of jail free card.

707
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:51.539
I don't know.

708
00:47:51.599 --> 00:48:07.320
It's just something, one little thing that doesn't kind of sit with me. sort of like, well, I need a way to destroy the city and thus this is my get out of jail free card by having introduced the old Daleks in the sewers and then the energy's going to go...

709
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.900
And back to my point about reverse engineering the pot.

710
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:22.320
Yeah, well, like the stuff about how the Daleks don't ever die, like their genetically engineered not to be able to die and they just turn into sort of living sentient sludge down in the bottom of the thing.

711
00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:35.460
Like that's kind of revolting, but it is absolutely reverse engineering so that regenerating them all gets them to come alive and kill everyone, which obviously they don't because the Daleks will be back.

712
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:41.639
I do like the fact that Missy gets to sort of save the day a bit by shooting colony salve.

713
00:48:41.699 --> 00:48:42.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

714
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:44.039
Is that how you manage his name?

715
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:45.900
Yes, I can quite work it out.

716
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.219
South, South, South.

717
00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:47.760
South.

718
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:49.559
He's from South London.

719
00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:50.699
I was going to say, yeah.

720
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:52.260
Yeah.

721
00:48:52.260 --> 00:48:53.699
Very, very effective, though.

722
00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:56.760
I mean, obviously he's more in the 1st episode than the second, but the snake thing is really, really well.

723
00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:58.380
Really nice, isn't it?

724
00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:00.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah. quite, maybe.

725
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:00.840
Yeah.

726
00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:03.059
I still don't like levitating Daleks.

727
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:10.079
I mean, basically, the show has become so paranoid or it's got, it's got this, what's, what's the word?

728
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:18.719
Like, um, post-traumatic stress disorder or something for the fact that Daleks couldn't go upstairs until remembrance of the Daleks, and it's been desperately trying to make up for it ever since.

729
00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:26.039
Although I do actually like those exterior shots of the Dalek City with just like swarms of dialects around like that.

730
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:26.940
That's what I'm talking about.

731
00:49:26.940 --> 00:49:27.900
That I don't like that.

732
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.239
It's like, it's too...

733
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.559
I think it's the kind of thing that, okay, we need to get Daleks upstairs and they need to be able to levitate and fly.

734
00:49:34.619 --> 00:49:40.980
But like it is in Dalek, it should be kind of something that requires, it sort of suggests it's almost...

735
00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:42.659
They have to say elevate before they do it.

736
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:43.920
Or it's an effort.

737
00:49:43.980 --> 00:49:45.300
It requires a lot of energy.

738
00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:46.199
It requires a lot of energy.

739
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:47.280
You won't do it when you have to.

740
00:49:47.340 --> 00:49:50.039
So when they're on the planet, their home planet, they're just around the corridor.

741
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:51.960
Well, they're not just flying around going, whee.

742
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.559
Yes, and where's the trans-solar discs, thank you.

743
00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:57.360
Yeah, you need a little disc or something.

744
00:49:57.420 --> 00:50:00.059
It's just like, you know, let's just get over the fact.

745
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.079
Yes, the whole point is that they, you know, their design is so beautiful.

746
00:50:04.139 --> 00:50:07.019
I don't want to worry about the fact that they can't go upstairs.

747
00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:12.000
I actually thought that the flying cyberman at the end of last season were worse.

748
00:50:12.059 --> 00:50:13.559
I really didn't like that.

749
00:50:13.619 --> 00:50:14.280
Yes.

750
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:15.420
I agree with you.

751
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.480
But these are very bad.

752
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:21.900
But what is not very bad.

753
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:23.340
It is the use of the head system.

754
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:26.519
Oh, yeah, they have different.

755
00:50:26.579 --> 00:50:31.260
So it's not the hostile action displacement system, which moves the TARDIS.

756
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:33.000
It's the hostile action.

757
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:39.300
Dispersal system, which spreads the tongue around the place, like, in front of you.

758
00:50:42.059 --> 00:50:44.460
There's all these little Easter eggs in.

759
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:45.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

760
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:57.119
And it is just like a throwaway line that's a gag that we enjoy and it's a fabulous special effect and stuff and, you know, deals with the destroying the TARDIS thing that we had to have for some reason at the end of episode one.

761
00:50:57.179 --> 00:50:57.840
It looks good.

762
00:50:57.900 --> 00:50:58.139
Yeah.

763
00:50:58.679 --> 00:50:59.820
Even I accept that.

764
00:50:59.940 --> 00:51:00.780
It did look great.

765
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:06.300
That effect of it, you know, sort of swooping in and really materialising around.

766
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:10.679
But there's so much in the series about how indestructible the TARDIS is that you know that whenever it's destroyed.

767
00:51:10.739 --> 00:51:12.300
It'll be fun.

768
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:16.139
Again, I do love Missy say never believe a man about a vehicle.

769
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.119
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

770
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:19.260
Yes, please.

771
00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:21.480
Oh, just sit here.

772
00:51:21.539 --> 00:51:22.800
She's got so many wonderful lines.

773
00:51:22.860 --> 00:51:27.179
It's just it just, that whole performance just overshadows so much of what else is going on.

774
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:27.840
You know what I mean?

775
00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:30.659
The fact Julian Beach is just wonderful as Deveros.

776
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:37.320
And the stuff that Peter Capaldi is doing against him is at all his little moments, all of Peter's little moments are just are just beautiful.

777
00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:42.059
And again, I'll go back to Jenna Coleman, who I just think is just a tremendous actress.

778
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:48.360
But when I walk away from this now, it's still all the missy stuff that just sings.

779
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.099
She's so good.

780
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:51.480
Just so tremendous.

781
00:51:51.539 --> 00:52:00.179
And it's absolutely telling that for the three, you know, the moment that he invents her, there's never a year that he doesn't have her back.

782
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:06.420
And he absolutely makes a kind of 4th regular character. in series 10.

783
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:10.440
And she's stronger in this 2 part than she is in... dark water one.

784
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:20.400
I do think it's a shame that the fact that we've got the confession dial and her and Davros talking about the hybrid in this, they're not back at the end of the season sort of to sort of bookend it.

785
00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:22.920
Like, you know, they're not involved with any of that.

786
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:26.880
It's sort of, um, other people um, coming along.

787
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.519
Yeah, I think that's a bit of a shame.

788
00:52:29.579 --> 00:52:32.039
But we'll get to that when we get to it.

789
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:49.739
So, it is the 2nd part of a two parter, and that means the long awaited return of picks of the week.

790
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:51.300
Do you want to start us off, Simon?

791
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:51.960
I can do that.

792
00:52:52.019 --> 00:53:10.920
I don't think this has been mentioned before, but this is really lovely 2021 science fiction film called After Yang, which is sort of very small scale. stars Colin Farrell, and it's basically set in one of those kind of non-determined, not too distant futures, where we have sentient androids.

793
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:15.480
And the Androids, they're not services per se, but they're members of your household.

794
00:53:15.539 --> 00:53:24.960
There is a suggestion that there aren't very many children or at least, you know, you only have a single child, but to keep them company, you then get an Android as another sibling.

795
00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:29.219
So Yang is the kind of like the older teenage brother.

796
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:31.980
No.

797
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:34.860
But it's all very mixed race.

798
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:38.159
Like, like, it's an adoptive child from China or something.

799
00:53:38.219 --> 00:53:50.880
I mean, I won't go into that, that sort of detail, but it's just a very quiet, beautiful film, because Yang, has a terrible malfunction and is effectively is dying or is dead.

800
00:53:50.880 --> 00:54:03.239
As far as an Android goes, and it's about the family coming to terms with the fact that Yang is no longer going to be with them and what are they going to do and what do you do with the body of this Android and so on like that?

801
00:54:03.300 --> 00:54:04.440
It's just really, really beautiful.

802
00:54:04.500 --> 00:54:14.820
And again, it's one of those kind of, I wouldn't say dystopian futures, but just kind of like a future where everyone kind of leaves in these very closed communities and it's, it's, it's very quiet, as I, as I say.

803
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:16.079
That sounds really lovely.

804
00:54:16.260 --> 00:54:17.820
Todd?

805
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.440
I guess my pick of the week is the reality television show Hunted.

806
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:29.280
Oh, which I'm watching at the moment where you've got to hand in all of your devices and then you're on the run from the Victorian hunters.

807
00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:35.219
You're in Victoria and they've got all your social media and you've got to stay, they're out to get you.

808
00:54:35.219 --> 00:54:37.920
And can you survive?

809
00:54:37.980 --> 00:54:43.320
And so they're using CCT footage and bugging your phones and all sorts of things and I just find it absolutely compelling.

810
00:54:43.380 --> 00:54:48.539
There's 10 teams of 2 and the hunters have a headquarters and I'm just loving it.

811
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.000
So it's not the Victorian police hunting you.

812
00:54:51.059 --> 00:54:52.320
No, no, no. in Victoria.

813
00:54:52.380 --> 00:54:52.860
Right.

814
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:58.980
And it's, yeah, there's a UK series that you can find the UK version, but I really love the Australian version.

815
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.719
But what the idea is that you're supposed to be.

816
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:01.619
You're on the run.

817
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:03.000
You're the fugitives?

818
00:55:03.059 --> 00:55:04.800
But are you all working together as fugitives?

819
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:05.519
You're all individual.

820
00:55:05.579 --> 00:55:06.719
You're just a pair?

821
00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:07.679
A pair.

822
00:55:07.739 --> 00:55:11.039
And it's a question of you've got to be the last one found, basically.

823
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:14.159
You've got to get to the extraction point to win the money. right?

824
00:55:14.219 --> 00:55:15.300
After 21 days.

825
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:27.000
So they're on your tail and yeah, I just find it fascinating how they go about hunting you down with the social networks and CCT footage and just the luck that some of the hunters have.

826
00:55:27.059 --> 00:55:29.699
And I'm never on the side of the actual fugitives.

827
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:31.260
I always want the hunters to get the people.

828
00:55:31.619 --> 00:55:33.420
Are they awful?

829
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:34.739
No, no, no.

830
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.019
Like some of them are really good, but others are quite annoying.

831
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:44.579
I think they can outrun the hunters and they just do things that that's find it fascinating what they use in terms of technology.

832
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.860
It's all about being in the 21st century.

833
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:47.880
Can you actually stay hidden?

834
00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:51.000
Yes, so because they use, oh, I see what you mean.

835
00:55:51.059 --> 00:55:53.280
They use other people's social media.

836
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:59.820
They use the close circuit television to be able to find, oh, they were in, you know, yeah.

837
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:02.880
There's obviously constraints with the series where they actually have to hand in their devices.

838
00:56:02.940 --> 00:56:05.340
So it's, you know, it's fascinating.

839
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.679
Yeah, no, I find... glimpse into the near future.

840
00:56:07.739 --> 00:56:09.360
Our near future, probably.

841
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:10.440
Well, yeah.

842
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:12.719
Our actual president.

843
00:56:12.780 --> 00:56:17.099
Well, yeah, if you're living in certain other parts of the world, yes, right now.

844
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:27.900
I was going to be all sort of medium brow and say anything that Gita, Serene, actually, ever wrote, which you can just find anywhere really, but, um, you know, the, like the piece on Spear.

845
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.539
Oh, indeed, judgement at Nuremberg. go home and watch that again.

846
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:32.039
Sure, it's on YouTube.

847
00:56:32.099 --> 00:56:48.719
But, um, I'd also quite like to watch Once Upon a Time and Fallout, again, the last 2 episodes of The Prisoner, because the dialogues and the camera angles are very close, when, when Leo McCurn is hunched in his globe chair and McGoon is sort of running about and there's a, see?

848
00:56:48.780 --> 00:56:51.420
Because I know I know Mr. Moffatt's a fan.

849
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.800
Yeah, there's so much in this, so much good stuff in this.

850
00:56:55.860 --> 00:56:58.380
And getting to push Clara down a well.

851
00:56:58.440 --> 00:56:59.219
Brilliant.

852
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:00.840
Nathan, what's your pick of the week?

853
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:05.579
So I'm going to go sort of pop culture. going to pick Star Trek Strange New Worlds.

854
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.840
It, as we're recording, is about to finish its 2nd season.

855
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:24.539
And I have been doing the Star Trek podcast with Joe. And during that time, I've actually found myself liking 90s Star Trek considerably less than I did at the time.

856
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:36.059
And I think Stranger Worlds is the best kind of Star Trek show since the original to just be a bunch of people on a mission on a starship.

857
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.460
Everyone is much more relaxed, people are charming.

858
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:41.039
There's lots of women in the cast rather than just two.

859
00:57:41.099 --> 00:57:51.480
It's really just fun and enjoyable and it embraces everything that it means to be Star Trek, which means it's not all just space problems.

860
00:57:51.539 --> 00:57:54.000
Sometimes it's just absurd and ridiculous.

861
00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:59.699
And there've been some really, really great episodes this season culminating in this week's musical episode.

862
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:01.440
We had that one, okay.

863
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:13.019
I think Peter described it as the true heir to the original series, whereas now that you see this, you realised what 10G was not doing.

864
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.360
I think that TNG...

865
00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:25.860
I think TNG has a bit of sort of post-traumatic stress disorder from its 1st 2 seasons and then it clamps down very much on what it's prepared to do.

866
00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:31.860
And so it is a bit samey and a little bit visually uninteresting.

867
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.440
And it's because of the sort of weird...

868
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:35.400
Reflective of the period.

869
00:58:35.460 --> 00:58:37.619
Yeah, yeah. production styles and so on.

870
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:41.099
But it's so desperate to avoid the failures of the 1st 2 years.

871
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:41.579
Yes.

872
00:58:41.579 --> 00:58:44.639
It does raise the floor consistent of...

873
00:58:44.699 --> 00:58:46.800
I preferred the words I prefer the word embarrassment.

874
00:58:46.860 --> 00:58:48.840
Oh, yeah, no, catastrophes.

875
00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:54.539
It raises the floor considerably, but the ceiling doesn't go.

876
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:56.579
That's a great expression.

877
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.000
Well, they listener, that's over time we have for this wheel.

878
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:29.340
We'll be back next week to watch ghosts wandering around a submarine or something in under the lake.

879
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:45.539
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us on our website, flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find all our social media links, as well as links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody interterra, maximum power, and untitled Star Trek project.

880
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:52.559
Until next time, remember that it's a prudent idea to put your relatives into the 2nd least expensive aged care facility.

881
00:59:52.619 --> 00:59:55.019
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

882
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:56.159
See you soon.

883
00:59:56.219 --> 00:59:56.940
Bye for now.

884
00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:58.500
And good then.

885
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:10.500
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley, Simon Moore, and Richard Stone.

886
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.019
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

887
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:21.179
This episode, a very busy Barnaby Edwards, was recorded on the 6th of August 2023 and released on the 24th of September.

888
01:00:21.780 --> 01:00:30.719
Listeners are reminded that although the word mercy does appear in the Dalek databanks, there is still, of course, no entry for the word gullible.

889
01:00:39.780 --> 01:00:46.079
Yeah, so the other thing is, I don't know what social media things are going to exist either. you know what I mean?

890
01:00:46.139 --> 01:00:48.239
Oh, in terms of X. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

891
01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:50.340
I'm not saying X. Are we on threads there?

892
01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:50.579
Yeah.

893
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:52.559
No, no, it doesn't even have to make it.

894
01:00:52.619 --> 01:00:53.880
I'm on friends.

895
01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:54.960
Isn't that Twitter?

896
01:00:55.019 --> 01:00:56.639
I don't read them very much.

897
01:00:56.699 --> 01:01:00.239
Twitter without... without quite so many Nazis.

898
01:01:00.300 --> 01:01:01.320
I just...

899
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:02.340
But it's another...

900
01:01:02.340 --> 01:01:02.940
I noticed something.

901
01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:07.079
I'm like, it's already posted 24 hours ago and no one's going to care if I responded.

902
01:01:07.139 --> 01:01:09.000
Is it owned by Facebook?

903
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:09.900
Yes, it's Instagram.

904
01:01:10.019 --> 01:01:13.619
It got 1000000 sign-ups in the 1st week.

905
01:01:13.739 --> 01:01:15.599
Because it's not, blah, blah.

906
01:01:15.659 --> 01:01:16.320
Yeah, yeah.

907
01:01:16.380 --> 01:01:18.000
And because Twitter was shit itself that weekend.

908
01:01:18.059 --> 01:01:19.619
All right. let's have a look at it.

909
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:20.880
Okay.

910
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:21.239
Okay.

911
01:01:21.420 --> 01:01:22.980
More the same.