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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight to Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who podcast that didn't expect Doctor Who to lift its

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sexy Leonide Messimorph game so drastically after 1980.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Simon, and I'm an abandoned thyral nursing pink eye and a

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grudge for this one.

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Do you remember when you could recall names, birthdays, and the

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words for things?

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When you knew how many nieces and nephews you had and what their

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names and genders were.

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When you had any memory at all of anything that happened before

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1997?

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Well, neither do we, which is why we have so much in common with

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the woman who lived.

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I think that there are a lot of good ideas in this episode, and

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the previous episode, which obviously go together, but I just

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think that that potential is wasted by not doing anything

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particularly interesting with it by leaning too heavily into the

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silliness, uh, and inconsequential silliness.

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And I think that whilst there are some nice moments, I'm thinking

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the scene where me is explaining to the doctor, you know, what

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being immortal is like, that still, she still has a human sized

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brain, she can't possibly remember 800 odd years of incident.

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And the whole journal thing is lovely.

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But then everything else about it is so lightweight and trite.

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I just can't care.

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But I actually think that there's a deliberate attempt to be Lysa

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in this 2 parter.

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I'm sure it's deliberate.

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And, and, you know, the 1st two-parter was very, you know, it was

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very talky and there were obviously funny bits because it was

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written by Stephen Moffat and Michelle Gomez was in it, but it had

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a kind of weight to it and was all very overwrought.

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You know, the doctor thinks Clara Missia dead.

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You know, the doctor's gonna die, all of this sort of stuff.

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And then you've got the 2 part, which is a sort of very standard

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base under siege and hasn't that much comedy in it.

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Whereas last week's, I think was just an out and out comedy.

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And deliberately so because the point of Doctor Who is to be more

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fun than his adversaries.

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No, it's not.

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It's to be clever.

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No, he wins because he's cleverer than he's at.

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He outwits that. more fun.

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I'm not saying, yeah, wit, but not stupid.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And I think I think that, and I don't, I love, I love a good comic

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moment.

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I love a good comic character, but you know, you need the comic

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relief and everything, but I think this, this is just where the

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show starts.

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And I don't mind like an episode from time to time, which is

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that.

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But I think that they're missing the opportunity with this

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character and this story to do something which is a little bit a

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little bit more thoughtful, a little bit more interesting and

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that's why...

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What way were you looking for character development here from...

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It already character development per se.

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It's more, both the, well, I suppose what they are, in fact, the B

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plots of both episodes, you know, the invading Norse pseudo god in

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the 1st episode and now the fact that, you know, there's this line

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in the forest that she's trying to help and ends up double

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crossing her, et Tetra, Tetra.

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Those are very low...

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They're very thin.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They're very, they're very thin, right?

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So, so, I mean, there is so much more interesting stuff you could

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do with the concept of this person who's who dies and then he's

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brought back to life to then live forever and then what that

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actually is like.

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I agree.

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With some actual interesting story behind.

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And the whole, you know, what is he, Jack Swift, the quick

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whatever it is.

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I mean, that's all kind of painful, that character.

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Sam Swift, I beg you.

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Because I have to not call him Sam Smith. is the thing.

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Oh, I see, right, okay, okay.

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Yeah, Sam Swift.

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And I'm not saying the doctor has to be deathly serious all the

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time.

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I am not saying that at all, but basically that the comic relief

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moments need to be the aside, not the driving narrative, and I

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worry that there's too much of that in these episodes to satisfy

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me.

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I think this one, though, while it does have comic beards and, you

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know, the whole kind of opening where they reenact that scene from

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Blackout of the third.

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Oh, is that actually from?

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Well, don't you think?

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I can't remember.

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Miranda, reaching out of the Ted for ages.

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Miranda Richardson is the highwayman and she does the voice.

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Oh, right, okay.

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There's even a sort of.

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I completely forgotten that.

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I'm the chipmunks. squirrels.

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But yeah, that's right.

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But all of that's fun. like Capoli is really great in that scene

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and there's that sort of stuff where it's like, oh, look, I meant

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to listen.

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You know, he's being.

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Yes, and I promise I'm listening.

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Yeah, I really try to listen, but I just ended up not listening.

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And all of that stuff is really fun.

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And I think the comedy breaking into the Fanshaw's house. when he

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comes out, you know, and he's snoring on the couch and stuff.

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Like all of that is kind of fun.

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But I don't think that's the focus of the episode.

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Isn't the focus of the episode just getting Capaldi and Williams

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into scenes together so that they can act?

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Yes, but that doesn't, for me, drive my interest.

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That's an interesting diversion for watching them in a scene.

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And the fact that you're kind of detailing multiple scenes there

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which are all comic relief moments.

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The fact that there are so many of them in a single 45 minute

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episode, that's kind of why I'm kind of losing interest in what's

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being shown.

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Because, I mean, the central thing is, and this is what I think is

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going on in this 2 parter and in this series, I think this series

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is doing another thing that you don't like very much, which is

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focussing on dissecting the character of the doctor.

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And so, uh, episodes one and 2 have, you know, his relationship to

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Davros, his relationship to the Daleks, his role in creating the

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Daleks.

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You know, it redoes Genesis of the Daleks.

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The next 2 parter is about showing us Capaldi in a classic base

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under siege, a classic sort of Doctor Who environment.

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Here, we see 2 sides of the doctor's character.

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One is, he's the comedy hero who takes this sort of slightly

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crummy group of people and encourages them to be brave enough to

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overcome a sort of terrible foe and to do it not with violence but

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by being sort of fun and funny and clever.

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Here, though, we get another take on the doctor, because the thing

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about Maisie Williams character is that she's like the doctor.

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And so this thing about the doctor that we got, even as early as

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RTD, that the doctor has lived too long, that he keeps seeing

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people that he loves, leave him or die.

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And I guess it's more moffity, you know, that he's so old that he

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doesn't remember some things.

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Remember the original idea of the lodger where it was Meglos who

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was behind it?

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Oh, really?

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The doctor was going to remember who...

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That would be cute.

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But it's that same thing. you know what I mean?

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Everything that we learn about Maisie Williams character is really

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telling us about the doctor.

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And, you know, the doctor is good at everything, not just because

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he's a time law, but because he's been around for a long time and

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has had the chance to learn it.

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We've seen this doctor struggle to care.

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We even saw him last week consulting his 2000 year diary to work

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out who the Maya were.

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You know, like he is like her.

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Oh yeah, no, I get the parallel.

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I absolutely get what they're trying to say there.

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Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

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There some great things in this.

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But then it's like, I don't care.

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Todd, you've been oddly son.

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I haven't been in since the Dalek 2 part.

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Yeah.

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And I gave that 8.4.

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Oh, right.

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Yes, yes.

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I wondered where it lost the point one.

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I like the 1st episode more than I like the second.

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Right.

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And then we had the bass under siege, which I adore that story.

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8.9, but I like the 1st episode a bit more than the second. right?

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And I think that is the best in season 2 parter, not written by

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Stephen Moffatt since Family of Blood.

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Like that's how that's how much I really, really enjoy it.

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And then coming into this two-parter.

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I'm in the same boat where I think the 1st episode is better than

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the 2nd and I think significantly better.

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Um, I really have enjoyed that 1st part a lot more um, watching it

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this time through.

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I think the point of it is that there's a lot of just Dr. and

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Clara scenes talking.

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You get a lot about the doctor, but also about Clara.

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And in this episode, there's just a lot of doctor and shielder

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scenes and it's you're getting a lot about shielder and the

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doctor.

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And so they're quieter episodes.

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And more comic, you know, which I agree with you with you on.

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And certainly in that last episode, I really enjoyed Maisie so

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much, like she certainly was cast well in terms of doing the same

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character or similar character as to Game of Thrones, where she's

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a square peg in a round hole.

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And I think she did that really well in the last episode.

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That's one of the things that I really enjoyed.

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And of course, the other big thing was, of course, the doctor's

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revelation of why he chose that face.

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And so that 1st part has improved a lot for me.

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The 7.5 to 8, just want to say, in case you'll keep being scored.

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So coming into this.

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And we were talking off off mic before.

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At the end of last episode, you've got that incredible shot of

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time passing with the character of a shielder.

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And I guess the point is that she doesn't change and all of that

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background changes.

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But I struggle with the fact that she doesn't change.

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Like her outfit doesn't change.

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Her facial expression barely changes.

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Oh, I think it changes quite a lot, do you?

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I think there's a really, really good thing.

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But the time it comes around.

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Yeah, so the 2nd time it comes around, she's suffered grief and

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then just at the very last moment while the camera's on her face

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it hardens and something else.

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Her face is hardens.

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But I won't agree with you that I think it changes that much.

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And her hairstyle, nothing changes.

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We come into this, and I love the fact that she looks different

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with her being the nightmare, and I think the 1st 20 minutes of

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every scene in the dark is fabulous, like, you know, played for

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comedy or whatever, and I love the breaking of the house, and I

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love that stagecoach stuff. really, really enjoy that.

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That's where I think, for me, the episode then begins to sort of

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ebb away, the moment that she has to get changed into Lady me.

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I don't think she is old enough to pull it off.

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I mean, you've said the point is that she's supposed to look young

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but I think they needed an actress who was older, who looked

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younger in the 1st part, so that she could look a bit more older

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and I just then find that she just, from that point on, I just

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find that she just complains about having to take the low road, and

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not to say that there's some great scenes in there, but I just

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can't buy her in that makeup, and I just find the character so

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grating that it's just complaint, complaint, complaint, and I know

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about portals, and I know that it takes 10,000 hours to do this

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and I suddenly all quite knowledgable.

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But I have to write everything else down, so I just got selected

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memory.

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Now you're going to just completely disagree with me and take my

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points apart.

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So I struggle with the 2nd half of this episode quite a lot, and

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I'm not to say that Maisie Williams is a bad actress or anything

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like that, but I just don't buy a lot of the things, whether it be

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the flashbacks to her doing all these learning all these skills.

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Oh, and then you have like one of the worst sequences ever in the

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show. which is like the horse riding sequence, which is as

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convincing as Tom Baker jumping onto the horse in the mask of

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Mandranga.

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You know, there's a very...

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Yeah, it's a sort of Terry Walsh level stunt double stuff.

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Sorry, I do die.

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He doesn't punch the horse in the...

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I was about to say, the worst sequence in the history of the show

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is a very high point.

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A lot of competition there.

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Sorry.

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Maybe not the, you know, we're stuck double.

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Okay.

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One of the worst stunt doubles.

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John's got Martin in a zombie suit.

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Reads a sigh of relief.

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Final vindication.

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I guess I don't buy it. don't buy a lot of it.

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That's my problem.

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I haven't watched Game of Thrones because it's too rapey and

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violent for me and I just can't bear that sort of thing.

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So, and I'm not going to.

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I'm sure that it's for other people to enjoy.

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That's fine.

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Yeah.

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But, so I didn't sort of come away with any particular expectation

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about how Maisie Williams was going to play it.

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But the way it's played, I think, is interesting, because, remember

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last week, she was young, she was really kind of like open-hearted

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remember how she greets the returning Vikings and how happy she is

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that they're all back and they're all safe and she's hugging them

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all?

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And she seems to have this relationship with everyone in the

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village.

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Like she, she later on goes on to tell us why she feels she

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belongs in the village and stuff like that.

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But we've seen it.

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We've seen her doing that.

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And she's, she's thoughtful and a bit odd.

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And also there's something about her not conforming to gender

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norms as well.

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Remember that the girls thought she was a boy and the boys said

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she was only a girl.

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And so there's that.

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She's an outsider and stuff and she loves the village.

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And that scene, that moment, that exchange between the doctor and

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her where the doctor says, anyone in that village would have died

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for you.

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And she says, well, they're all dead now.

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So I guess everything worked out or whatever.

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Like it's kind of horrible because we come fresh from seeing that

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last week and she's forgotten it.

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But when she's playing it now, she's playing it as someone who's

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much more sophisticated, she's not a villager, she's a lady.

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She has a posha accent, she is much more controlled.

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She's much more feminine, like just much more obviously feminine.

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None of the tomboy stuff, is there?

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And there's a level of sophistication.

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She's as smart as the doctor because she's been around.

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She's been learning things.

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It's Malcolm Gladwell's outliers that sets the, uh, 10,000 hours

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figure for getting good at anything, which is clearly nonsense, I

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guess.

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Oh, is that actually is?

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Yeah, reference to something else.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But, you know, she's good at doing a man's voice.

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She's good at sort of shooting people.

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She's good at all sorts of things.

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She's sort of terribly clever.

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But it still comes in that sort of very, very odd, baby faced, you

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know, soft cheeked, round faced look that she has.

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And there's a level of detachment as well.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like she's posh and so she's not showing any emotions, but the one

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exception is when she finally turns on the doctor and says, why

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won't you take me with you?

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What are you doing?

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You know, and she gets really properly angry with him.

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I think that's the turning point.

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Yeah.

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And so I like I buy her performance.

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And I think that the amount of stuff in this episode, like that

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that's actually probably a good thing.

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Both of these episodes read like short stories rather than Doctor

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Who adventures.

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They're not doing what a Doctor Who adventure does.

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So not very much happens in this.

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You know, the doctor arrives, meets her.

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They talk overnight, then at lunchtime the next day.

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They go for the hanging and, you know, the whole thing gets

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resolved.

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And so I kind of like that.

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I like the small scale of that, which gives us enough time to just

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talk.

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Look, I guess I just can't get over the fact that she's got that

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horrible bun on her head.

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Like Clara had back in the Crimson Horror, and I hated that look

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at the time as well.

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So it just puts me behind the 8 ball, but you're saying like

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everything's in this episode.

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Like for me, I kind of feel like I needed to see some sort of

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progression between the last episode and this episode in the

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background of other episodes.

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I know the progressions there.

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Oh, you wanted like a gap between the two?

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But having her in the background to pick up pieces of things, like

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but then we'd have to have so many adventures set in the past.

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That still just wouldn't work.

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But I just feel like I don't see that progression to that and I

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just don't buy it and I don't feel it.

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I get it gets talked about.

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And yes, it's in my books and all this, but I just don't feel it.

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Because I think I think that this is pulling the same trick that

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the arc pulls between episodes 2 and three.

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So it keeps us in the same place and then we see the consequence

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of 100s of years or something.

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The consequences of the doctor's actions.

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And the consequence of the doctor's actions as well.

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Dodo's actions, really.

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It's all about the dodoes. about the girl who sneezed.

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I got to agree with you on the casting.

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Now, I am not a Game of Thrones viewer.

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I got into 3 episodes and found it all a little jejune.

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Can I say apart from the hitty wacky rapey stuff, which I wasn't

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even along for?

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anyway, but I'd enjoyed the books.

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Honestly, what I was getting from this was a whole lot of Wildy

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and Dorian Gray notes in that and why how we see ageing and I was

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taken back to Capaldi's introduction and how we see age and what

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is age and the judgement of appearances and I bought it.

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I don't know Maisie Williams work, but I think she absolutely

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holds the scenes, and I kind of like the tension between someone

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who, as Todd said, is just so damn rosy cheeked, but then I have

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never been a teacher, so I don't find that quality offensive

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however I can see why it would be.

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She really does sort of maintain that tension of discomfiture and

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look, it could possibly be, I don't know how, you know, how strong

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her performances are in other things.

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I do agree with Simon that the narrative for what it's aiming to

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achieve falls short on many beats.

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I would have liked a little more debt and a little more flesh in

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those scenes.

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I think Capaldi's working, as he always does, to his absolute

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steaming best.

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And I think she actually does very well with the passive, grumpy

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face that she does.

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It's nowhere near as effective as Jenna Coleman's icy stairs.

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I cut out an expletive there, but so you don't have to.

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But yeah, look, I don't know.

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It all comes down to the quality and temperature of the actor's

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own abilities in those scenes, and don't forget they do shoot

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these quickly.

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It's not like a theatre piece.

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And I kind of think this would have been one of those ones like

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wild.

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Did anyone here, I don't know if the listeners would have had a

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chance to see the one woman show that STC put on of Dorian Gray

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and how good that was.

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I believe it's heading or headed to Broadway or the West End.

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Not at all surprised, because they're the dissonance that of

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gender and age and all the rest of that. get real hints of that

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here.

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To me, and I agree with both Todd and Simon that I feel it falls

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short, but that's probably only because it needed more time to

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explore the actual size of the concepts and scenes that it's

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dealing with. didn't quite get there.

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I'm just sick of the stylistic choices they keep making with the

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comedy music.

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Too many scenes being played for comedy, the comedy Welsh guards.

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How many times do we have comedy watch guys?

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I mean isn't it kind of almost offensive that the Welsh acts?

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Only one of them.

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Oh, I thought they both had Welshakes.

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There was one Welsh actually very strong.

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The other one was that sort of, you know, tries to be played for

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lives.

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All the robbery scenes are all kind of stupid and the fact that

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the woman in that opening sequence in the carriage is quite

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clearly got the hots for the nightmare and wants to be ravished by

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from the source material.

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Yes, exactly.

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And so that loses me.

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As soon as it keeps going back to those kind of style, stylistic

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choices, I then really start to lose interest and I'm really

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struggling.

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Not saying that there are some great moments.

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I think the sequence in the study, you know, all those

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conversations about immortality and so on, 10,000 hours and all

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that sort of stuff.

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I actually think that's the strongest part of the episode because

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it's actually played straight.

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And actually later where she's saying, why won't you take me with

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you?

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And so on.

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I think that's also the strong part, but it's all this other stuff

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which just really is driving me to drink.

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But more so.

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Also, just with Maisie Williams, you guys aren't Game of Thrones

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watches.

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Todd, you've seen it all through, haven't you?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I like her in that.

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I'm not actually convinced she's that good an actress.

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And I actually don't think she's that good in this.

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She's fine, but there is a limit to what she can do.

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Do you think that she's she's good at one thing and she delivers

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that?

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In Game of Thrones, basically.

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Look, maybe.

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I think it's just...

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I don't know whether it's particularly her.

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I don't know whether it's the fact that she's trying to deal with

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this the incredible complexities of this character in 45 minutes.

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Because, of course, in the 1st episode, she's playing a generic

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character.

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She's playing a Viking from whatever the year it is, whereas in

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the 2nd episode, that's where she's having to play something which

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is completely outside the norm.

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And I think that's where we have a problem.

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I mean, I think that there is a kind of real world analogue for

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this, which is just ageing, isn't it?

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It's no coincidence that Moffatt has cast Capoldi as his 2nd

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doctor.

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So, sort of grumpy, grumpy old Scotsman, who of a certain age.

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And so he's aware of that age and the kind of the way that you're

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less likely to care.

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I don't know whether I'm a terrible person, but people keep, you

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know, coming up to me at school with problems.

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I say, whatever, I don't care.

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You know.

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And I care much less, I think, about certain things than I used

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to.

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And I can't remember people's names or anything.

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So I think that there is a real thing there.

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Do you know what I mean?

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So it's something that you can identify with.

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It's not the end of journeys end where Billy's left on a beach

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with a...

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Yeah, with a replica of the doctor and I have literally no idea of

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how to feel about that.

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Is that a good thing or a bad thing or is that actually a little?

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I know a bit icky.

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Who knows?

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Who can say?

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Whereas this is clearly identifiably a thing that actually does

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happen.

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Dr. Snuff Puppet.

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But we've actually, you know, we've seen the doctor behaving like

496
00:23:49.619 --> 00:23:49.859
this.

497
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.180
We've seen her behaving like this.

498
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:55.140
I think all of that's really good And I think too, that she comes

499
00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:58.200
back twice more this season, doesn't she?

500
00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:03.779
And certainly, I remember her in Face the Raven and she's

501
00:24:03.779 --> 00:24:05.339
different again, isn't she?

502
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.799
I think she's great.

503
00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:08.640
You're right, okay.

504
00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:11.940
So it's this middle one that you don't like. that I have a problem

505
00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:12.240
with.

506
00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:16.380
And I just think it's seeing that progression to this point.

507
00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:19.440
And I just struggle with it, you know?

508
00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:22.380
Not, and again, not to say there aren't great scenes because there

509
00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:26.940
are, like, I actually love all the comedy stuff, especially with

510
00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:31.440
sans, quick, and the doctor, like, it's against puns and grandpa

511
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.680
and all that sort of stuff, and Capaldi is just, he's comedy

512
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:35.160
gold.

513
00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:36.660
He's really good, isn't he?

514
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.599
And they're giving him more and more comedy stuff to do.

515
00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:44.039
Because those 2 comedy scenes too, at the middle, the one where we

516
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:48.599
are going into the Fanshaw's place to steal the thing back and

517
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.619
then the one where we confronted by Sam Swift, the real serious

518
00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:57.720
business is that she wants to kill someone in order to get out of

519
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.140
the situation and she thinks that's okay because everyone kind of

520
00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:03.299
lives for such a short time anyway.

521
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:04.680
So why?

522
00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:06.059
And she seems so many people die.

523
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

524
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:07.799
Yeah.

525
00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:09.180
And it's that thing.

526
00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.940
The doctor has that great line about I didn't know that your heart

527
00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:14.519
would rust because it had been beating so long.

528
00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:18.720
Like there's some beautiful dialogue in there, like some...

529
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:19.319
That's what I'm saying.

530
00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:19.799
There is great stuff.

531
00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:22.859
That, the, uh, you didn't save my life.

532
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:25.319
You trapped me inside it and I think it's very good.

533
00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:27.180
Like, I think all of that stuff's great.

534
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:31.079
And so there's that great comedy moment at the end of that scene

535
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.980
where, you know, Sam Swift has said, oh, you've brought your dad

536
00:25:34.980 --> 00:25:38.279
along as your sidekick and the doctor's saying, you know, come on

537
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:38.700
tell him.

538
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:43.920
I'm not your dad, and she calls him dad, obviously, just irritate

539
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:44.039
him.

540
00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:49.200
But then at the end, you know, um, he says it's wrong to kill.

541
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.660
And her reply is, you're not my dad.

542
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.240
You know, like it's, it's, it's well done.

543
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:58.619
There's something going on during those comedy scene.

544
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.619
So they're not just nothing, I think.

545
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:03.359
I absolutely give you that.

546
00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:06.599
I really like the comedy scenes in this, and I really love Rufus

547
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:10.440
Hound, and I didn't recognise his florid scrofularity in this one

548
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.759
because he's such a jinge.

549
00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:13.440
You know him for...

550
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:14.160
Which one's he, sorry?

551
00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:15.960
So he's Sam, not Smith.

552
00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:17.099
Sam Smith.

553
00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:17.339
Sam Smith.

554
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:17.640
Yeah.

555
00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:19.619
So he's in he's in a lot of things.

556
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:25.019
He's, he's, well, he's the meddling monk in the latest audios.

557
00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:25.619
How funny?

558
00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:28.500
Against Tom and a few others, and that was one of my picks of the

559
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:29.880
week because he's great.

560
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.339
And he's a big ginge with a Mo.

561
00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:34.440
I think his real name's Robert Simpson or something.

562
00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:37.740
But anyway, he just plays that character every damn time he's on

563
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:37.980
the radio.

564
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.420
I think there's something very nice.

565
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.740
Like, at that dad joke scene at the end, where he's doing these

566
00:26:58.740 --> 00:27:02.400
jokes, and then at the very end, later when they're in the swan

567
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:08.400
with 2 necks, the pub at the very end, and the doctor says to me

568
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:13.019
take a look at him, you know, even when he was about to die, he

569
00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:16.559
was making every moment before then count.

570
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:20.160
And you see him, you know, and he's laughing and he's patting the

571
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:24.000
hangman on the back, like they're, they're laughing with one

572
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:24.660
another together.

573
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.799
And like I thought that that illustrated very well a point.

574
00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:33.480
You know the scene in Father's Day where it's the young married

575
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.539
couple and she's pregnant and the doctor says, oh, you know, like

576
00:27:36.539 --> 00:27:39.900
I've never snogged someone up against the wall in an alley outside

577
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:43.259
a nightclub or some terrible thing and it's just like, oh, come on

578
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.380
you know we're trying to make the point that even trashy people

579
00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:48.539
have worthwhile lives or something.

580
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.900
I thought you were going to say in an apse of a derelict church

581
00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:54.839
but what goes on between Delgado and Berkeley is their business.

582
00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:58.920
But here, I thought that made that point really tremendously

583
00:27:58.920 --> 00:27:59.220
well.

584
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:00.240
Yeah, it did.

585
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.680
And those jokes.

586
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:07.559
Like, I did laugh out loud just at Capaldi's delivery where Swift

587
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:13.019
sees him and says, doctor, doctor, I'm a thief or something, and

588
00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:16.980
then it takes him a while to work it out and then he delivers to

589
00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:19.319
have you taken anything for it, which I was thinking.

590
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:25.619
So bad and so adorable and just sort of so well sold, Michael

591
00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:26.279
Paldi.

592
00:28:26.339 --> 00:28:28.319
I think that seems the weakest.

593
00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:31.619
I think the big climax is probably the weakest scene in the

594
00:28:31.619 --> 00:28:34.680
episode, but I think there's still plenty to like about it.

595
00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:38.819
Could this be postmodern analysis of the quality of fame itself in

596
00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:39.359
the UK?

597
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:44.700
Well, you know, the highwaymen were the pop stars and celebrities

598
00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:48.420
of their day and life is so evanescent, is it not?

599
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.579
And then, of course, I know that's a thorough.

600
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:51.960
I don't care what anybody says.

601
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.079
No, he is sex.

602
00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:57.180
I think we're all on the same page.

603
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.500
Yeah, yeah, no, he is sexy.

604
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.099
So he played Lord Boreal in his dark materials.

605
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:07.380
So, yeah, he was Ruth Wilson's evil sidekick and he was super

606
00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:08.700
terrifying in that.

607
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:16.319
Um, and I, you know, like he's, It's that thing where her

608
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.839
sophistication is kind of played as a class thing.

609
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:20.039
You know, she's lady meat.

610
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:23.220
She wears dresses, she has horrific hairstyle.

611
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.180
You know, she has a valets and all of that sort of thing.

612
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.839
And so this guy is dressed as a king and he's very mythological

613
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.920
like he's from a planet around the star Delta Leonis, which is a

614
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.079
real star, as you would know.

615
00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:41.880
And, and, you know, he breathes fire and he's got, like all of

616
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.460
that sort of stuff makes him a sort of mythological character.

617
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.119
There's something a little bit astrological about his backstory

618
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.259
which, again, is sort of correct for the period, I guess.

619
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.240
What's his name, Leon?

620
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.079
Leandro.

621
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.180
Which I just...

622
00:29:57.539 --> 00:30:03.779
And he is the rock star, but again, the nod to the cursory nature

623
00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:04.440
of fame.

624
00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:06.000
He's basically ballless.

625
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:07.799
He's completely ineffectual.

626
00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:09.660
Well, he's all just puff and appearance.

627
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:14.279
And in the end, you know, just takes, doesn't take much to defeat

628
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:14.759
him, does it?

629
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:15.900
No, I...

630
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:17.339
It's very Astro boy ending, actually.

631
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:22.140
There's a lot of ADR in that scene, like a lot of ADR.

632
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.019
Things like, you mean the fact that purple is the colour of death

633
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.420
which is like, why, it's like, that's almost like we needed to put

634
00:30:27.420 --> 00:30:30.240
that, that, that for me smacked of, we need something to explain

635
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:31.079
what the hell's going on.

636
00:30:31.140 --> 00:30:32.460
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

637
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.299
So, and and his disappearance like Leandro's disappearance at the

638
00:30:36.299 --> 00:30:38.339
end is really just sort of cursory and stuff.

639
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.519
And I just wonder whether something went horribly wrong on the

640
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:41.880
issue.

641
00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:43.500
Oh, they didn't cover it properly.

642
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:44.099
Yeah, yeah.

643
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.539
Yes, yes, possibly.

644
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.740
Because I think that these 2 episodes are quite well directed, and

645
00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:54.900
Moffatt does his usual thing where he gets a director that he's

646
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:59.579
impressed by, like Met Steen or Nick Curran or something back that

647
00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:02.640
year to do the Christmas special.

648
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:04.319
And so he does that.

649
00:31:04.380 --> 00:31:07.200
So this guy does return of Dr. Mysterio.

650
00:31:07.259 --> 00:31:08.940
So that's the following year, isn't it?

651
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.039
But he gets to do a Christmas special.

652
00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:15.539
But I do think that there's pretty clear onscreen evidence that

653
00:31:15.539 --> 00:31:18.000
something's gone horribly wrong in that last scene.

654
00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:21.420
No, you are right because I remember watching it going, oh, that's

655
00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:21.960
an open up.

656
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:22.559
That's an overnight.

657
00:31:22.619 --> 00:31:23.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

658
00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:26.039
Why there's so many pieces of dialogue you could tell that have

659
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:26.640
been added in.

660
00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:27.180
Yeah.

661
00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:30.059
So, yeah. recorded under the flight path or something.

662
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.140
But they're not even saying it like it's...

663
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:34.680
Oh, yes.

664
00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:36.299
Oh, you mean they're not their lips don't match.

665
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:36.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

666
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.019
It's like they're saying it like back to camera or whatever.

667
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.740
It may be. maybe there's a missing shot a short or 2 or maybe it's

668
00:31:43.740 --> 00:31:45.119
just the fact that once they put it all together, they thought

669
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:45.900
this doesn't make any sense.

670
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.900
Yeah, it's sort of simple, isn't it?

671
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.960
Like, it's an idea that the death opens a portal.

672
00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:53.880
So bringing him back to live clothes, is it?

673
00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:58.079
Like, it's not something that required a stack of exposition or

674
00:31:58.079 --> 00:31:58.680
anything like that.

675
00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:01.259
But they didn't have enough confidence in it.

676
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:02.819
Maybe they didn't have enough confidence in it.

677
00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:04.319
Or maybe they were worried that there was just far too long

678
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.019
without a line of dialogue. you know, who knows?

679
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:08.220
It's a weird thing.

680
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.019
I know why you like this.

681
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.099
Why?

682
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.759
Because it mentions the great fire and the terror...

683
00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:27.420
Right.

684
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.160
So great, isn't it?

685
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:32.700
I love how they're doing that stuff.

686
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:33.960
We don't care.

687
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.980
Yeah.

688
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.099
I think it's kind of nice to have a bit of a break from Clara

689
00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:38.640
too.

690
00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:43.019
Like somebody else for Peter to play off and that's also going to

691
00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:48.240
obviously come up in the next 2 partner where he has Ingrid Oliver

692
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:48.900
to play off.

693
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:54.660
Yeah. and and even in the, under the lake. before the flood, like

694
00:32:54.660 --> 00:32:57.240
he's playing off other characters in that 2nd 2 parter as well.

695
00:32:57.299 --> 00:33:00.839
So it is interesting to see this doctor with other people other

696
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.660
than Clara because she's back with the same old, same old.

697
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:07.500
But, I mean, I do like, you know, the ending is moving things

698
00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:10.980
forward, like having a shielder in the background and I love that

699
00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:15.480
shot of her, her facial expression, you know, um, with the selfie

700
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.299
and it's like, I'm not going anywhere, bitch.

701
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:23.519
Yeah, I have to be very careful saying this as a graphic designer

702
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.440
but why is the retouching always so rubbish?

703
00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:26.640
Yeah, it's really bad.

704
00:33:26.819 --> 00:33:30.000
It's like given the fact that they would deliberately set that

705
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:30.240
up.

706
00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:32.339
I mean, that they need to create that visual.

707
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:34.680
You'd think that they'd be able to make sure they photograph her

708
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.559
with the right kind of lighting and so on and not make it look

709
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.960
like, you know, someone had done it on their phone.

710
00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:44.460
Well, I also think that what's kind of weird is that I don't think

711
00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:49.079
that making the phone, like I don't think that...

712
00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:52.440
Yeah, the zooming in, the pinch to zoom thing doesn't really seem

713
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.480
to do what it's supposed to do.

714
00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:58.380
I wasn't convinced by that, as if it was like a video that he was

715
00:33:58.380 --> 00:33:59.519
just moving his hand.

716
00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:00.660
Oh, right.

717
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:02.160
Like, it just didn't.

718
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:03.059
He was going to do it anyway.

719
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.220
But I do like that scene quite a lot.

720
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:06.359
Yeah, I like it.

721
00:34:06.420 --> 00:34:07.980
Yeah, and I agree.

722
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.900
It's nice to not have Clara there.

723
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.139
And it also sells the idea that it is like a short story.

724
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.239
You know, it's just like, oh, Clara's not here.

725
00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:17.699
She off doing taekwondo.

726
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:21.000
I actually like the excuse.

727
00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:24.179
She's teaching the year 7 taekwondo, which is kind of awesome.

728
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.820
And, you know, in this period you can do that.

729
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.519
It's kind of a shame that we didn't do it more, given that she

730
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:34.139
sort of, uh, but that scene, like, what does she say?

731
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:35.760
She comes in and says, did you miss me?

732
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.760
And he says be more specific, who are you again?

733
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:43.320
which I just think is, again, absolutely terrific, and the sort of

734
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.480
gag that he's been doing anyway.

735
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.820
You know, the, I'm not listening to you.

736
00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:51.719
All that I'm not listening to you stuff just gets picked up in

737
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.219
me's character, doesn't it?

738
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.119
Like, she's like that.

739
00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:58.079
All of that, he's just not particularly interested in anyone else

740
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.699
is that running gag, and we end with that after having examined

741
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:03.840
that feature of his character.

742
00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:07.260
But, you know, she hugs him and stuff.

743
00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:12.539
And the final shot isn't the final shot. him looking at her?

744
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.760
Yes, she says I'm not going anywhere.

745
00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:16.260
She says, I'm not going anywhere.

746
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:17.159
And he just gives this.

747
00:35:17.219 --> 00:35:17.820
Yes.

748
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:19.559
He goes, no, you are.

749
00:35:19.619 --> 00:35:22.800
He knows that she is because that's what that's all been about.

750
00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:26.159
Like, me says how many Claras have there been?

751
00:35:26.219 --> 00:35:30.480
And the whole bringing me back to life as well when he described

752
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:31.320
it last week.

753
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.400
He said, you know, I look at your face and the way you smile and

754
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:40.199
the things that you say, and I know that there'll be a time where

755
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.860
it hurts so much to remember those things that I can barely

756
00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:44.519
breathe.

757
00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:49.440
You know, he does that to a shilder because he's terrified of

758
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:50.699
losing Clara.

759
00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:55.860
And then he's reminded about how short Clara's life is compared to

760
00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:56.579
his.

761
00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:02.340
And so that final scene is him, you know, and it's Capoli, he's

762
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:03.179
such an incredible actor.

763
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:07.500
You can see that he's going, Yes, you are going somewhere and I

764
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.400
know that's happening.

765
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.940
You know, it's the foreshadowing and we know that there's only so

766
00:36:11.940 --> 00:36:12.659
much time left.

767
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.219
Yeah, with Clara.

768
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.079
I mean she's been on the show for such a long time.

769
00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:19.679
You know, her time is coming to an end and he knows that whatever

770
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.340
way it's going to go and he's suspecting it's not going to be

771
00:36:23.340 --> 00:36:28.619
great because of her actions that are sort of appearing more and

772
00:36:28.619 --> 00:36:29.340
more out of control.

773
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.000
What do you think of the name me, her choosing me?

774
00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:36.719
Like, do you think it's very naturesque, isn't it?

775
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:38.460
Yeah.

776
00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:43.139
Not that you could come up with a different name and yes, after so

777
00:36:43.139 --> 00:36:47.219
long, you know, I don't want to call myself a shielder or whatever

778
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:50.880
like fair enough after 100s of years, but she could have been kind

779
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.460
of like, you know, O'Connor to Orcom sort of thing.

780
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.099
It could have been, Ishield, it could have been. you know

781
00:36:56.099 --> 00:36:56.579
Camilla.

782
00:36:56.579 --> 00:36:57.179
Camilla.

783
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:57.780
Yes, exactly.

784
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.880
Her name gradually changes.

785
00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:02.340
You know, it's one of those things where it's suddenly on me.

786
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:08.579
But isn't that, like, your name is what a group of people call

787
00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:09.000
you.

788
00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:09.719
Yes.

789
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.500
Like some people that I know call me sir, some people that I know

790
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:15.480
call me Nathan.

791
00:37:15.539 --> 00:37:16.559
That's it, really.

792
00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:18.780
Yes, I think.

793
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.340
Mr. Bottomley sometimes.

794
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:21.000
Yeah, that happens.

795
00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:25.380
But there what a group of people call you and and you know that

796
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:28.679
thing, like, there are some people that you never call by name

797
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.579
like, I have friends who I'm conscious that I never actually

798
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:35.820
address them by their name, and it's that sort of weird thing

799
00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:38.699
because there's a sort of closeness and you're together and all of

800
00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:38.880
that.

801
00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:40.199
Like it doesn't sort of come up.

802
00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:46.559
So the fact that there's no one that she doesn't have anyone, any

803
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:47.519
anyone at all.

804
00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:52.320
Uh, she doesn't have a name because there's no one for her

805
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:52.860
anything.

806
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:57.539
So calling her me because she's her only person.

807
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.940
So what do I call myself?

808
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.340
Me, an name I call myself.

809
00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:04.260
And so that's why she's called me.

810
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.119
It's like when you ring someone, you go, hi, it's me.

811
00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:07.800
Well, you do.

812
00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:09.780
It's how you go, hi, it's me.

813
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.119
Well, isn't that that's the gang as well?

814
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.820
Yeah, Sam Smith, Sam Smith, yeah.

815
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.340
Where Sam Swift says, oh, you know, um, a last kiss for anyone and

816
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:21.539
they all go, me, me.

817
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.400
And he goes, ah, so it must be you.

818
00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:24.420
Like, yes.

819
00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:30.000
So, so...

820
00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:32.519
She keeps her lips pursed.

821
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:33.539
Oh, she does.

822
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:34.860
It's a very chaste kiss.

823
00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:40.139
I reckon I'm imagining them getting it on later though.

824
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:41.219
Do you know what I mean?

825
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:42.420
I think she probably likes it.

826
00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:43.679
You know he has a job. tattoo.

827
00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:45.960
Rufus Hound has a daleic tattoo.

828
00:38:46.019 --> 00:38:49.440
And if you've watched the Blu-ray, he does the Rufus Cam, because

829
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:54.000
he was such a fan, he was doing his little vox into his phone and

830
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.760
the BBC put some of them onto the Blu-ray set.

831
00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:59.699
And they're also you can hashtag Rufus Cam. can watch them all.

832
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:00.420
Oh, wonderful.

833
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:02.940
I think he's adorable.

834
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.260
Have you heard the missy things?

835
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.599
Maybe that'll be a pick of the week because he's up against, he

836
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.679
does the missy audios.

837
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:09.480
Oh, of course, because he's your time now.

838
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.739
And they're really funny together.

839
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.940
Although it's a bit manic because you're kind of both pitching it

840
00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:15.360
the same way.

841
00:39:15.420 --> 00:39:16.380
I can imagine.

842
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:17.159
Sounds great.

843
00:39:17.579 --> 00:39:20.760
I found this discussion.

844
00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:21.780
Very interesting.

845
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.139
Nathan and Richard and Simon.

846
00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:28.019
Can I say I found it unsurprising?

847
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:37.619
No, I found it interesting to hear both sides of the coin.

848
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:41.340
Imagine, though, an episode which was pitched in the same way that

849
00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:45.480
the upcoming heaven sent was pitched, a little bit more mature, a

850
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.460
bit darker, a bit more serious.

851
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:49.860
I'm not asking for, and that's what I'm sort of talking about when

852
00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:53.219
I'm wanting more because the comedy stuff is just fluff, it's

853
00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:53.639
disposable.

854
00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:57.300
It's entertaining, but it's it's gone, right?

855
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.139
Whereas something like that episode stays with you. you think

856
00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:01.619
about it.

857
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:02.519
You know.

858
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:07.500
There's so much in this concept of me of a shield of becoming me

859
00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:12.960
that is so much interesting about that that is barely touched.

860
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:15.719
And I think it is still in the remit of the show.

861
00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:17.159
It's not too big a deal.

862
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:18.239
Pete too big an idea.

863
00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:21.179
I mean, I know it's a family show, but I think heaven sent

864
00:40:21.179 --> 00:40:25.739
demonstrates the kind of thing you can do with those concepts

865
00:40:25.739 --> 00:40:28.500
which ends up with a much more fulfilling and interesting

866
00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:29.699
outcome.

867
00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:33.239
I absolutely don't want heaven sent every week though.

868
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:34.920
I don't think it should be every week, no.

869
00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:38.579
And I think that one thing the Doctor Who...

870
00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:39.900
But I want it more than once a season.

871
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:41.579
Yeah, maybe, maybe.

872
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:42.179
Yeah, yeah.

873
00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:42.900
That's my problem.

874
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.360
At the moment, those episodes are only once a season when I'm

875
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:45.599
lucky.

876
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:49.380
And I want those episodes to be much more frequent.

877
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.280
So I was thinking about how RTD does these big moment things.

878
00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:58.860
You know, something like turn left or midnight, both of which are

879
00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:00.599
funny all the way through.

880
00:41:00.659 --> 00:41:02.219
Like they have funny lines.

881
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:03.900
They have interesting character things.

882
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:06.059
It's called also devastating.

883
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:06.900
Exactly.

884
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:13.920
Um, and maybe this, because Moffatt's era is more sitcommy

885
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.519
comedy.

886
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:16.920
It's, yeah.

887
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:19.739
Well, Moffat's got more of the clever one liners.

888
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.800
I suppose the retorts, those kind of, no one would actually

889
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.860
realistically ever say that you'd have to be, you need a script

890
00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:27.059
writer in order to say those lies.

891
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:28.920
But that's okay because it's part of the conceit.

892
00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:30.780
It's TV that works.

893
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.039
But yes, but I still think you can do an episode like this with

894
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.699
some comic relief in it, but just much more dark.

895
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:41.340
I want I want to ramp up the darkness a bit.

896
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:45.539
Maybe the thing is like last week wasn't very dark, right?

897
00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:49.679
And so, because it was, I'll say lighter.

898
00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:50.219
Yeah.

899
00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:50.940
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

900
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:54.239
After the 1st 4 episodes, which I found quite sort of full on.

901
00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:54.840
Full on, yeah.

902
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:56.460
Go, go, go, yeah, yeah.

903
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:57.599
So it was lighter.

904
00:41:57.659 --> 00:42:02.639
Maybe this week. could have worked and made more impact for you

905
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:08.039
and maybe for me in terms of satisfaction if it had taken that

906
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:12.900
more darker tone and and I would have looked at the gravitas of it

907
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:13.199
more.

908
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:16.139
And but it's not to say that I don't like it.

909
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.860
I understand, like, I look at this 2 part and I just think that I

910
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:25.019
find them much more low key episodes, and I mean low key in

911
00:42:25.019 --> 00:42:28.139
compared to what the next 2 episodes and the previous 2 episodes.

912
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.000
But they're both better than I thought.

913
00:42:30.059 --> 00:42:35.280
Like even this, I'm still saying it's at least a 7 for me, whereas

914
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.800
last season you had in the Forest of the Night, and that's never

915
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:38.639
going to get to that point.

916
00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:40.079
Not even close.

917
00:42:40.139 --> 00:42:43.139
So...

918
00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:47.400
And I think these 2 get a bump, both these episodes get a get a

919
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.280
bad rap, and I think it's not fair that they both get it.

920
00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:54.659
I think, as I said last week, is actually pretty good, and this

921
00:42:54.659 --> 00:42:57.960
week is much better than what I think people believe it to be.

922
00:42:58.019 --> 00:42:59.039
Yeah.

923
00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:00.420
I mean I think it's interesting.

924
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:05.219
I think that humour is absolutely central to who the doctor is as

925
00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:05.880
a character.

926
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:10.619
And given that both of these stories, I think, are an examination

927
00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:12.059
of the doctor's character.

928
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:16.139
I think, you know, coming to the conclusion in each case that

929
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:20.579
humour is the right solution works, given that context.

930
00:43:20.699 --> 00:43:25.860
The attitude to life that Sam Swift has is the correct one, not

931
00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:29.340
the attitude that lady me has or that the doctor has.

932
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.260
And I kind of like that.

933
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.320
I think that's part of Bob Holmes' legacy, isn't it?

934
00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:39.059
You know, the doctor is funnier and more fun and the hide bound

935
00:43:39.059 --> 00:43:42.179
although they're pretty funny as well, but the hide bound kind of

936
00:43:42.179 --> 00:43:44.519
enemies that he faces, I think.

937
00:43:44.579 --> 00:43:47.340
That's very magnanimous of you, Magnus.

938
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:02.579
All right, it's part 2 of a two-part story, and so it's time for

939
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:03.840
picks of the week.

940
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:05.639
Todd.

941
00:44:05.699 --> 00:44:10.260
Well, my pick of the week is going to be an episode of Torchwood

942
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:13.920
also written by Catherine Tregenna, who wrote this episode, and

943
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.440
it's going to be the episode Captain Jack Hartness.

944
00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:20.460
I think it's a beautiful episode and I think it really shows what

945
00:44:20.460 --> 00:44:25.679
she can do with dialogue and a bit more gravitas to a situation.

946
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:29.039
She rides meat as well.

947
00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:31.800
Is that the one that Owen gets killed at the end of?

948
00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:37.800
Oh, with the whale that the giant whale that they're carving bits

949
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:38.340
off and eating.

950
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:39.960
I can't remember. can't remember.

951
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:43.260
I just have sort of strong memories of watching that in the UK.

952
00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:46.260
And since Brendan's not here, I thought I'd mention that.

953
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:47.699
Do you want me to look it up?

954
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:48.719
No, no.

955
00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:51.960
But she writes meat as well, and I think that's a really great

956
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:52.320
episode.

957
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:56.639
And I just think if this episode isn't quite doing it for you in

958
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.460
terms of that gravitas, go and have a look at those 2 and see what

959
00:44:59.460 --> 00:45:00.539
she can do, right?

960
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.639
She does Adam as well.

961
00:45:02.699 --> 00:45:06.059
And Adam is like, you know, Star Trek, the Next Generation

962
00:45:06.059 --> 00:45:11.400
conundrum, where a character that, and I think there's an X-Files

963
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.860
episode, a late X-Files episode that does this as well.

964
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:17.760
It's a sort of genre staple where there's a new character on the

965
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.059
show and everyone in the show behaves like they've always been

966
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:21.599
that great?

967
00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:22.739
Yes, yes, yes.

968
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.599
I'm surprised, Doctor, he hasn't actually properly done that

969
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:24.719
yeah.

970
00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:25.980
Yeah, but Torch would manage it.

971
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:27.239
Yeah, with Adam.

972
00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:30.599
So yeah, check out her torchwood episodes, but that's probably

973
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.239
Captain Jack Hartness is the one that immediately springs to

974
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:33.480
mind.

975
00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:34.860
But those other 2 are very good as well.

976
00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:36.480
Simon.

977
00:45:36.539 --> 00:45:39.599
I just want to read as a sort of a sort of an extra pick.

978
00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:42.480
I just want to reiterate what Richard mentioned earlier about the

979
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.719
Sydney Theatre Company version of a picture of Dorian Gray, which

980
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.500
is done as a one-woman show, which is now touring.

981
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.380
I't know with the same actress, but if it does come to a region

982
00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:54.239
near you, definitely go and see it.

983
00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:55.079
You won't regret it.

984
00:45:55.139 --> 00:45:58.199
My actual pick, though, is something I haven't seen.

985
00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:02.159
It's a film called The Beast, which was in competition at the

986
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:04.860
Venice Film Festival, and unfortunately overnight, as we're

987
00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:07.260
recording this, failed to win the award.

988
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.380
I was hoping I was going to be able to announce that, but alas

989
00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:10.679
not.

990
00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:15.239
It's in French and English, and the actress Leah Stou, who people

991
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.960
may know as Madeline Swan in some of the Daniel Craig James Bond

992
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:19.380
films.

993
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.559
So the premise of the film is in the near future, the not too

994
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:23.159
distant future.

995
00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:26.880
Emotions have become a threat, and our lead character decides to

996
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.639
purify her DNA in a machine that will immerse her in her past

997
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.519
lives and rid her of her strong feelings.

998
00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:34.320
And then she meets a character.

999
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:37.619
So it's a film it's set in 3 time zones, the not too distant

1000
00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:40.260
future, the not too distant pass, and then the Belapocch era of

1001
00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:40.679
Paris.

1002
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:44.340
And then she obviously meets the same people in each, you know

1003
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:47.820
it's like that thing in her life is split. a bit count Scarlione.

1004
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.420
You know, she splits across the things.

1005
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.420
Anyway, it sounds absolutely fascinating and definitely will be on

1006
00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:55.679
my list of films to watch.

1007
00:46:55.739 --> 00:46:56.699
So that's The Beast.

1008
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:58.199
So I assume it'll be out.

1009
00:46:58.260 --> 00:47:00.480
I don't think there's a release date yet, but I imagine they'll be

1010
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:01.800
out around Christmas, one assumes.

1011
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.539
I only had Rufus Hound and Big Finish because I'd like to plug

1012
00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:08.820
them because I just hope people listen to them.

1013
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:11.760
So the missy adventures are definitely worth listening to.

1014
00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:13.800
And he's our new time meddler.

1015
00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:19.199
He is, he is the monk, um, Ford, with David Bradley, with Tim

1016
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.739
Trelora's Purwee. and Katie.

1017
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:24.719
He and Katie are great together.

1018
00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:25.679
They really are.

1019
00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:26.760
He just plays this.

1020
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.639
I mean, he plays the same part every everything he does.

1021
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:30.719
He's in cucumber.

1022
00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:31.199
Do you remember?

1023
00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:32.159
No.

1024
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:32.760
Yeah.

1025
00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:34.559
He's in Robert, does he play?

1026
00:47:34.619 --> 00:47:35.880
I can't remember it so long ago.

1027
00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:37.679
Yeah, I haven't seen it for ages as well.

1028
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:39.780
So I like, oh, yes.

1029
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:40.139
Yes.

1030
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:41.460
Always river sound.

1031
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:43.800
So at the end of episode two.

1032
00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:48.179
My pick of the week was Strange New Worlds series two.

1033
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:53.519
And then at the end of episode four, Fraser's pick of the week was

1034
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:55.019
also strange new ones.

1035
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.159
And so this time would be a bit excessive to do it again.

1036
00:47:59.219 --> 00:47:59.519
Yes.

1037
00:47:59.579 --> 00:48:03.480
I'm going to be Star Trek Lower Decks, which at the time of

1038
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:07.739
recording has just released its 1st 2 episodes, including one

1039
00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:08.940
called Two Vics.

1040
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:12.420
That's TWOVIX.

1041
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:12.960
Right.

1042
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:19.559
It's just terrifically fun, and if you sat through 100s and 100s

1043
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:24.000
and 100s of hours of 90s Star Trek, which we all did because...

1044
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:24.659
What else was it?

1045
00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:33.360
It's so much fun to have people who know and love it as much as we

1046
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:41.039
do and who know, like us, how incredibly ridiculous it all is. you

1047
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:44.039
know, to revisit all of that with us.

1048
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:44.820
So I really like that.

1049
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:48.719
And of course, discussed a few episodes on untitled Star Trek

1050
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:52.559
project, which is available at all good podcast vendors.

1051
00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:55.800
I've learned that bananas have bones.

1052
00:49:18.539 --> 00:49:21.659
Well, they listen, that's all the time that happens.

1053
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:25.980
We will be back next week to meet the Zygons who live among us in

1054
00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:27.539
the Zygon invasion.

1055
00:49:27.659 --> 00:49:31.079
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

1056
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.739
and you can keep up with us on our website, FlightthroughEntirety

1057
00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:37.739
com, where you'll find all our social media links, as well as

1058
00:49:37.739 --> 00:49:41.760
links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody interterra, maximum

1059
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.519
power, and untitled Star Trek project.

1060
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:49.019
Until next time, remember to make every last moment count.

1061
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.659
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1062
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:52.860
Good night.

1063
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.059
See you soon.

1064
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.500
Good thenings.

1065
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:04.500
That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley

1066
00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:05.699
Simon Moore, and Richard Stone.

1067
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.039
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

1068
00:50:08.099 --> 00:50:12.000
This episode, John Scott Martin in a zombie suit, was recorded on

1069
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.900
the 10th of September 2023, and released on the 22nd of October.

1070
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:21.059
As is now well known, the woman who lived is the first part of a

1071
00:50:21.059 --> 00:50:24.900
trilogy, alongside The Woman Who Fell to Earth, and next year's

1072
00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:28.320
Shooty Gatwa episode, The woman who was just not as well dressed

1073
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.980
as The Doctor, starring Gemma Redgrave, as Kate Stewart.

1074
00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:40.320
I've learned that bananas have bones.

1075
00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:44.940
Far out that second episode.

1076
00:50:44.940 --> 00:50:46.320
I've got to watch.

1077
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:47.219
I have not yet watched one.

1078
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:48.719
I forgot to watch that.

1079
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:50.699
No, no, no, I really want to.

1080
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.539
But I kind of need a block of time to be able to, you know...

1081
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:55.380
Have you seen the 1st two?

1082
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:56.880
No, I haven't yet.

1083
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.000
Is it a send-up of 2 days?

1084
00:51:00.059 --> 00:51:01.139
Yes, it's a sequel.

1085
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:02.699
Yes.

1086
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.099
And it's for real.

1087
00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:05.760
Oh, is that weird?

1088
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.119
Tuvok, Tuvok, and Neelix become the same person or something?

1089
00:51:09.179 --> 00:51:12.059
Yeah, same person. and you wish they had stayed that person.

1090
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:16.139
And then, and then, and then, who are the 2 in these?

1091
00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:18.780
No, you can't tell him.

1092
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:20.940
Oh, but we don't have to tell...

1093
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:21.659
Off Mike.

1094
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:23.039
Billip's and Tahana.

1095
00:51:23.099 --> 00:51:24.360
Right.

1096
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:25.199
To start with.

1097
00:51:25.260 --> 00:51:29.639
But my favourite scene is in the gym right at the beginning.

1098
00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:30.599
Oh, the scene of the gym.

1099
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.340
Oh my God. where they reenact.

1100
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.659
So Shacks, who's the big Burleys Bajoran security officer.

1101
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:37.380
Have watched any of it?

1102
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.480
Brendan's Crush. of low decks.

1103
00:51:39.539 --> 00:51:41.340
No, not a single...

1104
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.380
So Shax is a big mature and security officer.

1105
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:44.280
I think he's hot.

1106
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:48.780
He calls, he calls baby bear.

1107
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:49.739
He calls her.

1108
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:50.400
Yeah.

1109
00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:54.599
And and then Jerry O'Connell's massively ripped and buffed Captain

1110
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.119
Commander Ransom, who's the 2 I see.

1111
00:51:57.179 --> 00:52:05.159
They're in the gym in the same leotards as Deanna and Beverly in

1112
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:06.300
that scene from the price.

1113
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.900
And they're doing the same stretching.

1114
00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:14.760
Like, but it's like a proper scene that functions as a scene in

1115
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:15.420
the episode.

1116
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:17.579
It would have worked if you didn't know that.

1117
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.559
I have to show.

1118
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:20.400
Nut fudge sundaes.

1119
00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:22.739
Love it, love it, love it cheek day.

1120
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.179
Have you done the out.

1121
00:52:24.300 --> 00:52:24.960
No, he hasn't done that.

1122
00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:26.760
No, I just...

1123
00:52:26.820 --> 00:52:27.599
I'm going to watch it again.

1124
00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:29.099
No, it's brilliant.

1125
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:30.059
Let me show you. all right.

1126
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:33.960
Oh my goodness.

1127
00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:35.039
Okay, great.

1128
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.800
Including cartoon bulger.

1129
00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:39.360
So good.

1130
00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:40.800
So great. funny.

1131
00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:41.519
Are they both so cute?

1132
00:52:41.579 --> 00:52:41.940
Yes.

1133
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:43.980
Jerry O'Connell.

1134
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:45.780
Jerry O'Connell, Jerry O'Donnell.

1135
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.360
Jerry O'Connell.

1136
00:52:48.420 --> 00:52:50.579
He was the lead in sliders.

1137
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.079
Right.

1138
00:52:52.139 --> 00:52:56.880
And he's married to the woman who plays Una Chin Riley. in Star

1139
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:58.079
Trek Strangely Worlds.

1140
00:52:58.139 --> 00:52:59.460
Oh, right.

1141
00:52:59.519 --> 00:52:59.940
Okay, sure.

1142
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.980
So he's the number one.

1143
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.300
He's the voice another one, yeah. on Cerritos, and she's number

1144
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:10.559
one. on the on the Enterprise.

1145
00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:10.920
Right.

1146
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:17.460
And in fact, in the episode that the crossover episode, he does

1147
00:53:17.460 --> 00:53:23.280
get to say of Una that she's the hottest commander in Starfleet

1148
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:24.840
which is sort of adorable.

1149
00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:26.940
All right, I need to do the closing track because I forgot.

1150
00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:30.960
Well, dear listener, that's all the time we have for this week.