WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 15:46:49 1 00:00:40.500 --> 00:00:52.439 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight to Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that didn't expect Doctor Who to lift its sexy Leonide Messimorph game so drastically after 1980. 2 00:00:52.619 --> 00:00:54.479 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:54.539 --> 00:00:55.679 I'm Todd. 4 00:00:55.740 --> 00:01:01.560 I'm Simon, and I'm an abandoned thyral nursing pink eye and a grudge for this one. 5 00:01:01.859 --> 00:01:06.780 Do you remember when you could recall names, birthdays, and the words for things? 6 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:11.879 When you knew how many nieces and nephews you had and what their names and genders were. 7 00:01:11.939 --> 00:01:17.099 When you had any memory at all of anything that happened before 1997? 8 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:22.799 Well, neither do we, which is why we have so much in common with the woman who lived. 9 00:01:39.540 --> 00:01:59.099 I think that there are a lot of good ideas in this episode, and the previous episode, which obviously go together, but I just think that that potential is wasted by not doing anything particularly interesting with it by leaning too heavily into the silliness, uh, and inconsequential silliness. 10 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:11.819 And I think that whilst there are some nice moments, I'm thinking the scene where me is explaining to the doctor, you know, what being immortal is like, that still, she still has a human sized brain, she can't possibly remember 800 odd years of incident. 11 00:02:11.819 --> 00:02:13.860 And the whole journal thing is lovely. 12 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:18.719 But then everything else about it is so lightweight and trite. 13 00:02:18.780 --> 00:02:19.680 I just can't care. 14 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:26.759 But I actually think that there's a deliberate attempt to be Lysa in this 2 parter. 15 00:02:26.819 --> 00:02:27.960 I'm sure it's deliberate. 16 00:02:28.020 --> 00:02:45.900 And, and, you know, the 1st two-parter was very, you know, it was very talky and there were obviously funny bits because it was written by Stephen Moffat and Michelle Gomez was in it, but it had a kind of weight to it and was all very overwrought. 17 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.300 You know, the doctor thinks Clara Missia dead. 18 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:51.000 You know, the doctor's gonna die, all of this sort of stuff. 19 00:02:51.060 --> 00:02:57.180 And then you've got the 2 part, which is a sort of very standard base under siege and hasn't that much comedy in it. 20 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:01.439 Whereas last week's, I think was just an out and out comedy. 21 00:03:01.500 --> 00:03:10.139 And deliberately so because the point of Doctor Who is to be more fun than his adversaries. 22 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:11.580 No, it's not. 23 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.340 It's to be clever. 24 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.500 No, he wins because he's cleverer than he's at. 25 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:17.939 He outwits that. more fun. 26 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:22.379 I'm not saying, yeah, wit, but not stupid. 27 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:23.159 Do you know what I mean? 28 00:03:23.219 --> 00:03:26.639 And I think I think that, and I don't, I love, I love a good comic moment. 29 00:03:26.699 --> 00:03:32.580 I love a good comic character, but you know, you need the comic relief and everything, but I think this, this is just where the show starts. 30 00:03:32.580 --> 00:03:35.639 And I don't mind like an episode from time to time, which is that. 31 00:03:35.699 --> 00:03:45.240 But I think that they're missing the opportunity with this character and this story to do something which is a little bit a little bit more thoughtful, a little bit more interesting and that's why... 32 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:49.020 What way were you looking for character development here from... 33 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:50.580 It already character development per se. 34 00:03:50.639 --> 00:04:07.080 It's more, both the, well, I suppose what they are, in fact, the B plots of both episodes, you know, the invading Norse pseudo god in the 1st episode and now the fact that, you know, there's this line in the forest that she's trying to help and ends up double crossing her, et Tetra, Tetra. 35 00:04:07.139 --> 00:04:09.479 Those are very low... 36 00:04:09.539 --> 00:04:10.319 They're very thin. 37 00:04:10.379 --> 00:04:10.860 Yeah, yeah. 38 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:13.020 They're very, they're very thin, right? 39 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:23.819 So, so, I mean, there is so much more interesting stuff you could do with the concept of this person who's who dies and then he's brought back to life to then live forever and then what that actually is like. 40 00:04:24.060 --> 00:04:25.560 I agree. 41 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.019 With some actual interesting story behind. 42 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.199 And the whole, you know, what is he, Jack Swift, the quick, whatever it is. 43 00:04:31.259 --> 00:04:33.779 I mean, that's all kind of painful, that character. 44 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:34.800 Sam Swift, I beg you. 45 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:37.019 Because I have to not call him Sam Smith. is the thing. 46 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:38.699 Oh, I see, right, okay, okay. 47 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:39.420 Yeah, Sam Swift. 48 00:04:39.540 --> 00:04:41.579 And I'm not saying the doctor has to be deathly serious all the time. 49 00:04:41.699 --> 00:04:51.899 I am not saying that at all, but basically that the comic relief moments need to be the aside, not the driving narrative, and I worry that there's too much of that in these episodes to satisfy me. 50 00:04:51.959 --> 00:05:00.779 I think this one, though, while it does have comic beards and, you know, the whole kind of opening where they reenact that scene from Blackout of the third. 51 00:05:02.939 --> 00:05:05.100 Oh, is that actually from? 52 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:05.819 Well, don't you think? 53 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:06.600 I can't remember. 54 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:08.160 Miranda, reaching out of the Ted for ages. 55 00:05:08.220 --> 00:05:11.579 Miranda Richardson is the highwayman and she does the voice. 56 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:12.959 Oh, right, okay. 57 00:05:13.019 --> 00:05:14.160 There's even a sort of. 58 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.100 I completely forgotten that. 59 00:05:17.100 --> 00:05:19.620 I'm the chipmunks. squirrels. 60 00:05:19.740 --> 00:05:21.240 But yeah, that's right. 61 00:05:22.139 --> 00:05:29.579 But all of that's fun. like Capoli is really great in that scene and there's that sort of stuff where it's like, oh, look, I meant to listen. 62 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:30.779 You know, he's being. 63 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:32.519 Yes, and I promise I'm listening. 64 00:05:32.579 --> 00:05:35.040 Yeah, I really try to listen, but I just ended up not listening. 65 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.100 And all of that stuff is really fun. 66 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:45.660 And I think the comedy breaking into the Fanshaw's house. when he comes out, you know, and he's snoring on the couch and stuff. 67 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.459 Like all of that is kind of fun. 68 00:05:47.579 --> 00:05:50.100 But I don't think that's the focus of the episode. 69 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:57.240 Isn't the focus of the episode just getting Capaldi and Williams into scenes together so that they can act? 70 00:05:57.420 --> 00:06:01.980 Yes, but that doesn't, for me, drive my interest. 71 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.220 That's an interesting diversion for watching them in a scene. 72 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:10.860 And the fact that you're kind of detailing multiple scenes there, which are all comic relief moments. 73 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:18.779 The fact that there are so many of them in a single 45 minute episode, that's kind of why I'm kind of losing interest in what's being shown. 74 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:31.319 Because, I mean, the central thing is, and this is what I think is going on in this 2 parter and in this series, I think this series is doing another thing that you don't like very much, which is focussing on dissecting the character of the doctor. 75 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:41.100 And so, uh, episodes one and 2 have, you know, his relationship to Davros, his relationship to the Daleks, his role in creating the Daleks. 76 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:43.860 You know, it redoes Genesis of the Daleks. 77 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:52.379 The next 2 parter is about showing us Capaldi in a classic base under siege, a classic sort of Doctor Who environment. 78 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:55.139 Here, we see 2 sides of the doctor's character. 79 00:06:55.199 --> 00:07:13.139 One is, he's the comedy hero who takes this sort of slightly crummy group of people and encourages them to be brave enough to overcome a sort of terrible foe and to do it not with violence but by being sort of fun and funny and clever. 80 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:22.379 Here, though, we get another take on the doctor, because the thing about Maisie Williams character is that she's like the doctor. 81 00:07:22.500 --> 00:07:37.019 And so this thing about the doctor that we got, even as early as RTD, that the doctor has lived too long, that he keeps seeing, people that he loves, leave him or die. 82 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:41.699 And I guess it's more moffity, you know, that he's so old that he doesn't remember some things. 83 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:47.699 Remember the original idea of the lodger where it was Meglos who was behind it? 84 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:48.480 Oh, really? 85 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:54.240 The doctor was going to remember who... 86 00:07:56.819 --> 00:07:58.560 That would be cute. 87 00:07:58.620 --> 00:08:01.019 But it's that same thing. you know what I mean? 88 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:06.060 Everything that we learn about Maisie Williams character is really telling us about the doctor. 89 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:13.139 And, you know, the doctor is good at everything, not just because he's a time law, but because he's been around for a long time and has had the chance to learn it. 90 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.439 We've seen this doctor struggle to care. 91 00:08:16.500 --> 00:08:21.720 We even saw him last week consulting his 2000 year diary to work out who the Maya were. 92 00:08:21.779 --> 00:08:24.300 You know, like he is like her. 93 00:08:24.420 --> 00:08:27.240 Oh yeah, no, I get the parallel. 94 00:08:27.300 --> 00:08:29.519 I absolutely get what they're trying to say there. 95 00:08:29.579 --> 00:08:31.199 Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. 96 00:08:31.259 --> 00:08:32.159 There some great things in this. 97 00:08:32.220 --> 00:08:34.320 But then it's like, I don't care. 98 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.740 Todd, you've been oddly son. 99 00:08:37.980 --> 00:08:42.419 I haven't been in since the Dalek 2 part. 100 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:42.840 Yeah. 101 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:44.759 And I gave that 8.4. 102 00:08:45.059 --> 00:08:46.620 Oh, right. 103 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:47.279 Yes, yes. 104 00:08:47.340 --> 00:08:48.899 I wondered where it lost the point one. 105 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:52.320 I like the 1st episode more than I like the second. 106 00:08:52.379 --> 00:08:52.799 Right. 107 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:56.519 And then we had the bass under siege, which I adore that story. 108 00:08:56.580 --> 00:09:00.600 8.9, but I like the 1st episode a bit more than the second. right? 109 00:09:00.659 --> 00:09:07.559 And I think that is the best in season 2 parter, not written by Stephen Moffatt since Family of Blood. 110 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:10.440 Like that's how that's how much I really, really enjoy it. 111 00:09:10.500 --> 00:09:13.019 And then coming into this two-parter. 112 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:19.860 I'm in the same boat where I think the 1st episode is better than the 2nd and I think significantly better. 113 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:26.519 Um, I really have enjoyed that 1st part a lot more um, watching it this time through. 114 00:09:26.580 --> 00:09:31.080 I think the point of it is that there's a lot of just Dr. and Clara scenes talking. 115 00:09:31.139 --> 00:09:33.419 You get a lot about the doctor, but also about Clara. 116 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:41.039 And in this episode, there's just a lot of doctor and shielder scenes and it's you're getting a lot about shielder and the doctor. 117 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:42.779 And so they're quieter episodes. 118 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:43.740 Yeah. 119 00:09:43.740 --> 00:09:48.779 And more comic, you know, which I agree with you with you on. 120 00:09:48.840 --> 00:10:03.299 And certainly in that last episode, I really enjoyed Maisie so much, like she certainly was cast well in terms of doing the same character or similar character as to Game of Thrones, where she's a square peg in a round hole. 121 00:10:03.299 --> 00:10:05.580 And I think she did that really well in the last episode. 122 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:07.559 That's one of the things that I really enjoyed. 123 00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:12.179 And of course, the other big thing was, of course, the doctor's revelation of why he chose that face. 124 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.120 And so that 1st part has improved a lot for me. 125 00:10:15.179 --> 00:10:20.159 The 7.5 to 8, just want to say, in case you'll keep being scored. 126 00:10:20.220 --> 00:10:21.480 So coming into this. 127 00:10:22.740 --> 00:10:26.460 And we were talking off off mic before. 128 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:34.559 At the end of last episode, you've got that incredible shot of time passing with the character of a shielder. 129 00:10:34.620 --> 00:10:38.220 And I guess the point is that she doesn't change and all of that background changes. 130 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:41.460 But I struggle with the fact that she doesn't change. 131 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:42.779 Like her outfit doesn't change. 132 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.360 Her facial expression barely changes. 133 00:10:45.419 --> 00:10:46.980 Oh, I think it changes quite a lot, do you? 134 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:48.600 I think there's a really, really good thing. 135 00:10:48.659 --> 00:10:49.379 But the time it comes around. 136 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:57.840 Yeah, so the 2nd time it comes around, she's suffered grief and then just at the very last moment while the camera's on her face, it hardens and something else. 137 00:10:57.899 --> 00:11:00.059 Her face is hardens. 138 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.039 But I won't agree with you that I think it changes that much. 139 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:05.460 And her hairstyle, nothing changes. 140 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:21.600 We come into this, and I love the fact that she looks different with her being the nightmare, and I think the 1st 20 minutes of every scene in the dark is fabulous, like, you know, played for comedy or whatever, and I love the breaking of the house, and I love that stagecoach stuff. really, really enjoy that. 141 00:11:21.659 --> 00:11:30.419 That's where I think, for me, the episode then begins to sort of ebb away, the moment that she has to get changed into Lady me. 142 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.659 I don't think she is old enough to pull it off. 143 00:11:33.720 --> 00:12:03.899 I mean, you've said the point is that she's supposed to look young, but I think they needed an actress who was older, who looked younger in the 1st part, so that she could look a bit more older, and I just then find that she just, from that point on, I just find that she just complains about having to take the low road, and not to say that there's some great scenes in there, but I just can't buy her in that makeup, and I just find the character so grating that it's just complaint, complaint, complaint, and I know about portals, and I know that it takes 10,000 hours to do this, and I suddenly 144 00:12:03.899 --> 00:12:05.820 all quite knowledgable. 145 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.659 But I have to write everything else down, so I just got selected memory. 146 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:12.960 Now you're going to just completely disagree with me and take my points apart. 147 00:12:13.019 --> 00:12:27.600 So I struggle with the 2nd half of this episode quite a lot, and I'm not to say that Maisie Williams is a bad actress or anything like that, but I just don't buy a lot of the things, whether it be the flashbacks to her doing all these learning all these skills. 148 00:12:27.659 --> 00:12:41.940 Oh, and then you have like one of the worst sequences ever in the show. which is like the horse riding sequence, which is as convincing as Tom Baker jumping onto the horse in the mask of Mandranga. 149 00:12:42.059 --> 00:12:44.279 You know, there's a very... 150 00:12:44.340 --> 00:12:47.100 Yeah, it's a sort of Terry Walsh level stunt double stuff. 151 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:48.779 Sorry, I do die. 152 00:12:48.779 --> 00:12:52.320 He doesn't punch the horse in the... 153 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:58.679 I was about to say, the worst sequence in the history of the show is a very high point. 154 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:01.320 A lot of competition there. 155 00:13:01.740 --> 00:13:03.179 Sorry. 156 00:13:03.179 --> 00:13:06.960 Maybe not the, you know, we're stuck double. 157 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:07.679 Okay. 158 00:13:07.740 --> 00:13:09.000 One of the worst stunt doubles. 159 00:13:09.059 --> 00:13:10.860 John's got Martin in a zombie suit. 160 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.559 Reads a sigh of relief. 161 00:13:13.620 --> 00:13:15.000 Final vindication. 162 00:13:15.059 --> 00:13:18.840 I guess I don't buy it. don't buy a lot of it. 163 00:13:18.899 --> 00:13:19.440 That's my problem. 164 00:13:19.500 --> 00:13:25.799 I haven't watched Game of Thrones because it's too rapey and violent for me and I just can't bear that sort of thing. 165 00:13:25.860 --> 00:13:27.120 So, and I'm not going to. 166 00:13:27.179 --> 00:13:29.460 I'm sure that it's for other people to enjoy. 167 00:13:29.580 --> 00:13:30.240 That's fine. 168 00:13:30.299 --> 00:13:30.779 Yeah. 169 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:36.179 But, so I didn't sort of come away with any particular expectation about how Maisie Williams was going to play it. 170 00:13:36.299 --> 00:13:57.179 But the way it's played, I think, is interesting, because, remember last week, she was young, she was really kind of like open-hearted, remember how she greets the returning Vikings and how happy she is that they're all back and they're all safe and she's hugging them all? 171 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.899 And she seems to have this relationship with everyone in the village. 172 00:14:00.899 --> 00:14:05.940 Like she, she later on goes on to tell us why she feels she belongs in the village and stuff like that. 173 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:07.200 But we've seen it. 174 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:08.759 We've seen her doing that. 175 00:14:08.820 --> 00:14:13.500 And she's, she's thoughtful and a bit odd. 176 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:17.639 And also there's something about her not conforming to gender norms as well. 177 00:14:17.700 --> 00:14:24.120 Remember that the girls thought she was a boy and the boys said she was only a girl. 178 00:14:24.179 --> 00:14:26.220 And so there's that. 179 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:29.039 She's an outsider and stuff and she loves the village. 180 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:36.179 And that scene, that moment, that exchange between the doctor and her where the doctor says, anyone in that village would have died for you. 181 00:14:36.179 --> 00:14:38.340 And she says, well, they're all dead now. 182 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:40.799 So I guess everything worked out or whatever. 183 00:14:40.860 --> 00:14:48.299 Like it's kind of horrible because we come fresh from seeing that last week and she's forgotten it. 184 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:56.580 But when she's playing it now, she's playing it as someone who's much more sophisticated, she's not a villager, she's a lady. 185 00:14:56.700 --> 00:15:00.059 She has a posha accent, she is much more controlled. 186 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:04.559 She's much more feminine, like just much more obviously feminine. 187 00:15:04.620 --> 00:15:06.360 None of the tomboy stuff, is there? 188 00:15:06.419 --> 00:15:08.940 And there's a level of sophistication. 189 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.940 She's as smart as the doctor because she's been around. 190 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:13.200 She's been learning things. 191 00:15:13.259 --> 00:15:23.159 It's Malcolm Gladwell's outliers that sets the, uh, 10,000 hours figure for getting good at anything, which is clearly nonsense, I guess. 192 00:15:23.220 --> 00:15:24.299 Oh, is that actually is? 193 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.220 Yeah, reference to something else. 194 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:27.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 195 00:15:27.299 --> 00:15:29.820 But, you know, she's good at doing a man's voice. 196 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:31.320 She's good at sort of shooting people. 197 00:15:31.379 --> 00:15:32.700 She's good at all sorts of things. 198 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:33.899 She's sort of terribly clever. 199 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:45.299 But it still comes in that sort of very, very odd, baby faced, you know, soft cheeked, round faced look that she has. 200 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.600 And there's a level of detachment as well. 201 00:15:48.659 --> 00:15:49.379 Do you know what I mean? 202 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:59.940 Like she's posh and so she's not showing any emotions, but the one exception is when she finally turns on the doctor and says, why won't you take me with you? 203 00:16:00.059 --> 00:16:00.419 What are you doing? 204 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.700 You know, and she gets really properly angry with him. 205 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:04.799 I think that's the turning point. 206 00:16:04.860 --> 00:16:05.159 Yeah. 207 00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:07.799 And so I like I buy her performance. 208 00:16:07.860 --> 00:16:13.620 And I think that the amount of stuff in this episode, like that that's actually probably a good thing. 209 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:19.440 Both of these episodes read like short stories rather than Doctor Who adventures. 210 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:21.600 They're not doing what a Doctor Who adventure does. 211 00:16:21.659 --> 00:16:23.759 So not very much happens in this. 212 00:16:23.820 --> 00:16:26.340 You know, the doctor arrives, meets her. 213 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.700 They talk overnight, then at lunchtime the next day. 214 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.059 They go for the hanging and, you know, the whole thing gets resolved. 215 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.159 And so I kind of like that. 216 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:39.720 I like the small scale of that, which gives us enough time to just talk. 217 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:50.759 Look, I guess I just can't get over the fact that she's got that horrible bun on her head. 218 00:16:50.820 --> 00:16:56.220 Like Clara had back in the Crimson Horror, and I hated that look at the time as well. 219 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:01.500 So it just puts me behind the 8 ball, but you're saying like everything's in this episode. 220 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:10.319 Like for me, I kind of feel like I needed to see some sort of progression between the last episode and this episode in the background of other episodes. 221 00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:12.240 I know the progressions there. 222 00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:13.859 Oh, you wanted like a gap between the two? 223 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:20.279 But having her in the background to pick up pieces of things, like, but then we'd have to have so many adventures set in the past. 224 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:21.539 That still just wouldn't work. 225 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:28.859 But I just feel like I don't see that progression to that and I just don't buy it and I don't feel it. 226 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:30.420 I get it gets talked about. 227 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.440 And yes, it's in my books and all this, but I just don't feel it. 228 00:17:34.500 --> 00:17:42.900 Because I think I think that this is pulling the same trick that the arc pulls between episodes 2 and three. 229 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:49.079 So it keeps us in the same place and then we see the consequence of 100s of years or something. 230 00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:51.299 The consequences of the doctor's actions. 231 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.400 And the consequence of the doctor's actions as well. 232 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.339 Dodo's actions, really. 233 00:17:56.460 --> 00:18:00.420 It's all about the dodoes. about the girl who sneezed. 234 00:18:00.539 --> 00:18:03.660 I got to agree with you on the casting. 235 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.000 Now, I am not a Game of Thrones viewer. 236 00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:09.299 I got into 3 episodes and found it all a little jejune. 237 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:13.559 Can I say apart from the hitty wacky rapey stuff, which I wasn't even along for? 238 00:18:13.619 --> 00:18:15.180 anyway, but I'd enjoyed the books. 239 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:34.200 Honestly, what I was getting from this was a whole lot of Wildy and Dorian Gray notes in that and why how we see ageing and I was taken back to Capaldi's introduction and how we see age and what is age and the judgement of appearances and I bought it. 240 00:18:34.259 --> 00:18:50.579 I don't know Maisie Williams work, but I think she absolutely holds the scenes, and I kind of like the tension between someone who, as Todd said, is just so damn rosy cheeked, but then I have never been a teacher, so I don't find that quality offensive. however I can see why it would be. 241 00:18:50.819 --> 00:19:02.640 She really does sort of maintain that tension of discomfiture and look, it could possibly be, I don't know how, you know, how strong her performances are in other things. 242 00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:10.380 I do agree with Simon that the narrative for what it's aiming to achieve falls short on many beats. 243 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.680 I would have liked a little more debt and a little more flesh in those scenes. 244 00:19:13.740 --> 00:19:19.140 I think Capaldi's working, as he always does, to his absolute steaming best. 245 00:19:19.140 --> 00:19:26.160 And I think she actually does very well with the passive, grumpy face that she does. 246 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:31.259 It's nowhere near as effective as Jenna Coleman's icy stairs. 247 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.559 I cut out an expletive there, but so you don't have to. 248 00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:36.900 But yeah, look, I don't know. 249 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:43.799 It all comes down to the quality and temperature of the actor's own abilities in those scenes, and don't forget they do shoot these quickly. 250 00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:45.720 It's not like a theatre piece. 251 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.599 And I kind of think this would have been one of those ones like wild. 252 00:19:48.660 --> 00:19:58.259 Did anyone here, I don't know if the listeners would have had a chance to see the one woman show that STC put on of Dorian Gray and how good that was. 253 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:01.319 I believe it's heading or headed to Broadway or the West End. 254 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:08.099 Not at all surprised, because they're the dissonance that of gender and age and all the rest of that. get real hints of that here. 255 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:21.599 To me, and I agree with both Todd and Simon that I feel it falls short, but that's probably only because it needed more time to explore the actual size of the concepts and scenes that it's dealing with. didn't quite get there. 256 00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:38.880 I'm just sick of the stylistic choices they keep making with the comedy music. 257 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:43.079 Too many scenes being played for comedy, the comedy Welsh guards. 258 00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:44.640 How many times do we have comedy watch guys? 259 00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:46.980 I mean isn't it kind of almost offensive that the Welsh acts? 260 00:20:46.980 --> 00:20:47.880 Only one of them. 261 00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:49.500 Oh, I thought they both had Welshakes. 262 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:51.240 There was one Welsh actually very strong. 263 00:20:51.299 --> 00:20:54.240 The other one was that sort of, you know, tries to be played for lives. 264 00:20:54.299 --> 00:21:06.359 All the robbery scenes are all kind of stupid and the fact that the woman in that opening sequence in the carriage is quite clearly got the hots for the nightmare and wants to be ravished by... from the source material. 265 00:21:06.420 --> 00:21:07.740 Yes, exactly. 266 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:09.359 And so that loses me. 267 00:21:09.420 --> 00:21:17.400 As soon as it keeps going back to those kind of style, stylistic choices, I then really start to lose interest and I'm really struggling. 268 00:21:17.460 --> 00:21:18.900 Not saying that there are some great moments. 269 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:24.960 I think the sequence in the study, you know, all those conversations about immortality and so on, 10,000 hours and all that sort of stuff. 270 00:21:25.019 --> 00:21:28.740 I actually think that's the strongest part of the episode because it's actually played straight. 271 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.619 And actually later where she's saying, why won't you take me with you? 272 00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:32.519 And so on. 273 00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:39.900 I think that's also the strong part, but it's all this other stuff, which just really is driving me to drink. 274 00:21:40.859 --> 00:21:42.599 But more so. 275 00:21:42.660 --> 00:21:46.079 Also, just with Maisie Williams, you guys aren't Game of Thrones watches. 276 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:47.400 Todd, you've seen it all through, haven't you? 277 00:21:47.460 --> 00:21:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 278 00:21:48.059 --> 00:21:49.019 I like her in that. 279 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:52.019 I'm not actually convinced she's that good an actress. 280 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.720 And I actually don't think she's that good in this. 281 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:58.920 She's fine, but there is a limit to what she can do. 282 00:21:58.980 --> 00:22:03.900 Do you think that she's she's good at one thing and she delivers that? 283 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:05.759 In Game of Thrones, basically. 284 00:22:05.819 --> 00:22:07.859 Look, maybe. 285 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.160 I think it's just... 286 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:13.859 I don't know whether it's particularly her. 287 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:22.079 I don't know whether it's the fact that she's trying to deal with this the incredible complexities of this character in 45 minutes. 288 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:25.680 Because, of course, in the 1st episode, she's playing a generic character. 289 00:22:25.740 --> 00:22:32.819 She's playing a Viking from whatever the year it is, whereas in the 2nd episode, that's where she's having to play something which is completely outside the norm. 290 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.559 And I think that's where we have a problem. 291 00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:42.000 I mean, I think that there is a kind of real world analogue for this, which is just ageing, isn't it? 292 00:22:42.059 --> 00:22:49.019 It's no coincidence that Moffatt has cast Capoldi as his 2nd doctor. 293 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:54.960 So, sort of grumpy, grumpy old Scotsman, who of a certain age. 294 00:22:55.019 --> 00:23:02.579 And so he's aware of that age and the kind of the way that you're less likely to care. 295 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:07.500 I don't know whether I'm a terrible person, but people keep, you know, coming up to me at school with problems. 296 00:23:07.619 --> 00:23:09.180 I say, whatever, I don't care. 297 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:10.140 You know. 298 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:14.519 And I care much less, I think, about certain things than I used to. 299 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.000 And I can't remember people's names or anything. 300 00:23:18.059 --> 00:23:19.859 So I think that there is a real thing there. 301 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:21.059 Do you know what I mean? 302 00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:23.579 So it's something that you can identify with. 303 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:29.700 It's not the end of journeys end where Billy's left on a beach with a... 304 00:23:29.819 --> 00:23:33.779 Yeah, with a replica of the doctor and I have literally no idea of how to feel about that. 305 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.839 Is that a good thing or a bad thing or is that actually a little? 306 00:23:36.900 --> 00:23:37.500 I know a bit icky. 307 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:38.039 Who knows? 308 00:23:38.099 --> 00:23:39.059 Who can say? 309 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.539 Whereas this is clearly identifiably a thing that actually does happen. 310 00:23:42.539 --> 00:23:44.460 Dr. Snuff Puppet. 311 00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:49.859 But we've actually, you know, we've seen the doctor behaving like this. 312 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.180 We've seen her behaving like this. 313 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:58.200 I think all of that's really good And I think too, that she comes back twice more this season, doesn't she? 314 00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:05.339 And certainly, I remember her in Face the Raven and she's different again, isn't she? 315 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.799 I think she's great. 316 00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:08.640 You're right, okay. 317 00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:12.240 So it's this middle one that you don't like. that I have a problem with. 318 00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:16.380 And I just think it's seeing that progression to this point. 319 00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:19.440 And I just struggle with it, you know? 320 00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:35.160 Not, and again, not to say there aren't great scenes because there are, like, I actually love all the comedy stuff, especially with sans, quick, and the doctor, like, it's against puns and grandpa and all that sort of stuff, and Capaldi is just, he's comedy gold. 321 00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:36.660 He's really good, isn't he? 322 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.599 And they're giving him more and more comedy stuff to do. 323 00:24:39.660 --> 00:25:03.299 Because those 2 comedy scenes too, at the middle, the one where we are going into the Fanshaw's place to steal the thing back and then the one where we confronted by Sam Swift, the real serious business is that she wants to kill someone in order to get out of the situation and she thinks that's okay because everyone kind of lives for such a short time anyway. 324 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:04.680 So why? 325 00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:06.059 And she seems so many people die. 326 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 327 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:07.799 Yeah. 328 00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:09.180 And it's that thing. 329 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:14.519 The doctor has that great line about I didn't know that your heart would rust because it had been beating so long. 330 00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:18.720 Like there's some beautiful dialogue in there, like some... 331 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:19.319 That's what I'm saying. 332 00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:19.799 There is great stuff. 333 00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:22.859 That, the, uh, you didn't save my life. 334 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:25.319 You trapped me inside it and I think it's very good. 335 00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:27.180 Like, I think all of that stuff's great. 336 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:38.700 And so there's that great comedy moment at the end of that scene where, you know, Sam Swift has said, oh, you've brought your dad along as your sidekick and the doctor's saying, you know, come on, tell him. 337 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:44.039 I'm not your dad, and she calls him dad, obviously, just irritate him. 338 00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:49.200 But then at the end, you know, um, he says it's wrong to kill. 339 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.660 And her reply is, you're not my dad. 340 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.240 You know, like it's, it's, it's well done. 341 00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:58.619 There's something going on during those comedy scene. 342 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.619 So they're not just nothing, I think. 343 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:03.359 I absolutely give you that. 344 00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:11.759 I really like the comedy scenes in this, and I really love Rufus Hound, and I didn't recognise his florid scrofularity in this one because he's such a jinge. 345 00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:13.440 You know him for... 346 00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:14.160 Which one's he, sorry? 347 00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:15.960 So he's Sam, not Smith. 348 00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:17.099 Sam Smith. 349 00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:17.339 Sam Smith. 350 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:17.640 Yeah. 351 00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:19.619 So he's in he's in a lot of things. 352 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:25.019 He's, he's, well, he's the meddling monk in the latest audios. 353 00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:25.619 How funny? 354 00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:29.880 Against Tom and a few others, and that was one of my picks of the week because he's great. 355 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.339 And he's a big ginge with a Mo. 356 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:34.440 I think his real name's Robert Simpson or something. 357 00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:37.980 But anyway, he just plays that character every damn time he's on the radio. 358 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.420 I think there's something very nice. 359 00:26:54.480 --> 00:27:16.559 Like, at that dad joke scene at the end, where he's doing these jokes, and then at the very end, later when they're in the swan with 2 necks, the pub at the very end, and the doctor says to me, take a look at him, you know, even when he was about to die, he was making every moment before then count. 360 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:24.660 And you see him, you know, and he's laughing and he's patting the hangman on the back, like they're, they're laughing with one another together. 361 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.799 And like I thought that that illustrated very well a point. 362 00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:48.539 You know the scene in Father's Day where it's the young married couple and she's pregnant and the doctor says, oh, you know, like I've never snogged someone up against the wall in an alley outside a nightclub or some terrible thing and it's just like, oh, come on. you know we're trying to make the point that even trashy people have worthwhile lives or something. 363 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:54.839 I thought you were going to say in an apse of a derelict church, but what goes on between Delgado and Berkeley is their business. 364 00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:59.220 But here, I thought that made that point really tremendously well. 365 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:00.240 Yeah, it did. 366 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.680 And those jokes. 367 00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:19.319 Like, I did laugh out loud just at Capaldi's delivery where Swift sees him and says, doctor, doctor, I'm a thief or something, and then it takes him a while to work it out and then he delivers to have you taken anything for it, which I was thinking. 368 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:26.279 So bad and so adorable and just sort of so well sold, Michael Paldi. 369 00:28:26.339 --> 00:28:28.319 I think that seems the weakest. 370 00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:34.680 I think the big climax is probably the weakest scene in the episode, but I think there's still plenty to like about it. 371 00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:39.359 Could this be postmodern analysis of the quality of fame itself in the UK? 372 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:48.420 Well, you know, the highwaymen were the pop stars and celebrities of their day and life is so evanescent, is it not? 373 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.579 And then, of course, I know that's a thorough. 374 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:51.960 I don't care what anybody says. 375 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.079 No, he is sex. 376 00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:57.180 I think we're all on the same page. 377 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.500 Yeah, yeah, no, he is sexy. 378 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:02.099 So he played Lord Boreal in his dark materials. 379 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:08.700 So, yeah, he was Ruth Wilson's evil sidekick and he was super terrifying in that. 380 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:18.839 Um, and I, you know, like he's, It's that thing where her sophistication is kind of played as a class thing. 381 00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:20.039 You know, she's lady meat. 382 00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:23.220 She wears dresses, she has horrific hairstyle. 383 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.180 You know, she has a valets and all of that sort of thing. 384 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:37.079 And so this guy is dressed as a king and he's very mythological, like he's from a planet around the star Delta Leonis, which is a real star, as you would know. 385 00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:44.460 And, and, you know, he breathes fire and he's got, like all of that sort of stuff makes him a sort of mythological character. 386 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:52.259 There's something a little bit astrological about his backstory, which, again, is sort of correct for the period, I guess. 387 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.240 What's his name, Leon? 388 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.079 Leandro. 389 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.180 Which I just... 390 00:29:57.539 --> 00:30:04.440 And he is the rock star, but again, the nod to the cursory nature of fame. 391 00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:06.000 He's basically ballless. 392 00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:07.799 He's completely ineffectual. 393 00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:09.660 Well, he's all just puff and appearance. 394 00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:14.759 And in the end, you know, just takes, doesn't take much to defeat him, does it? 395 00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:15.900 No, I... 396 00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:17.339 It's very Astro boy ending, actually. 397 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:22.140 There's a lot of ADR in that scene, like a lot of ADR. 398 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:31.079 Things like, you mean the fact that purple is the colour of death. which is like, why, it's like, that's almost like we needed to put that, that, that for me smacked of, we need something to explain what the hell's going on. 399 00:30:31.140 --> 00:30:32.460 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. 400 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:38.339 So, and and his disappearance like Leandro's disappearance at the end is really just sort of cursory and stuff. 401 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.880 And I just wonder whether something went horribly wrong on the issue. 402 00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:43.500 Oh, they didn't cover it properly. 403 00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:44.099 Yeah, yeah. 404 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.539 Yes, yes, possibly. 405 00:30:45.599 --> 00:31:02.640 Because I think that these 2 episodes are quite well directed, and Moffatt does his usual thing where he gets a director that he's impressed by, like Met Steen or Nick Curran or something back that year to do the Christmas special. 406 00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:04.319 And so he does that. 407 00:31:04.380 --> 00:31:07.200 So this guy does return of Dr. Mysterio. 408 00:31:07.259 --> 00:31:08.940 So that's the following year, isn't it? 409 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.039 But he gets to do a Christmas special. 410 00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:18.000 But I do think that there's pretty clear onscreen evidence that something's gone horribly wrong in that last scene. 411 00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:21.960 No, you are right because I remember watching it going, oh, that's an open up. 412 00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:22.559 That's an overnight. 413 00:31:22.619 --> 00:31:23.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 414 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:26.640 Why there's so many pieces of dialogue you could tell that have been added in. 415 00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:27.180 Yeah. 416 00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:30.059 So, yeah. recorded under the flight path or something. 417 00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.140 But they're not even saying it like it's... 418 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:34.680 Oh, yes. 419 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:36.299 Oh, you mean they're not their lips don't match. 420 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:36.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 421 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.019 It's like they're saying it like back to camera or whatever. 422 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.900 It may be. maybe there's a missing shot a short or 2 or maybe it's just the fact that once they put it all together, they thought this doesn't make any sense. 423 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.900 Yeah, it's sort of simple, isn't it? 424 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.960 Like, it's an idea that the death opens a portal. 425 00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:53.880 So bringing him back to live clothes, is it? 426 00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:58.680 Like, it's not something that required a stack of exposition or anything like that. 427 00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:01.259 But they didn't have enough confidence in it. 428 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:02.819 Maybe they didn't have enough confidence in it. 429 00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:07.019 Or maybe they were worried that there was just far too long without a line of dialogue. you know, who knows? 430 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:08.220 It's a weird thing. 431 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.019 I know why you like this. 432 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.099 Why? 433 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.759 Because it mentions the great fire and the terror... 434 00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:27.420 Right. 435 00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.160 So great, isn't it? 436 00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:32.700 I love how they're doing that stuff. 437 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:33.960 We don't care. 438 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.980 Yeah. 439 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.640 I think it's kind of nice to have a bit of a break from Clara too. 440 00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:48.900 Like somebody else for Peter to play off and that's also going to obviously come up in the next 2 partner where he has Ingrid Oliver to play off. 441 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:57.240 Yeah. and and even in the, under the lake. before the flood, like he's playing off other characters in that 2nd 2 parter as well. 442 00:32:57.299 --> 00:33:03.660 So it is interesting to see this doctor with other people other than Clara because she's back with the same old, same old. 443 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:18.299 But, I mean, I do like, you know, the ending is moving things forward, like having a shielder in the background and I love that shot of her, her facial expression, you know, um, with the selfie and it's like, I'm not going anywhere, bitch. 444 00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:25.440 Yeah, I have to be very careful saying this as a graphic designer, but why is the retouching always so rubbish? 445 00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:26.640 Yeah, it's really bad. 446 00:33:26.819 --> 00:33:30.240 It's like given the fact that they would deliberately set that up. 447 00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:32.339 I mean, that they need to create that visual. 448 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:39.960 You'd think that they'd be able to make sure they photograph her with the right kind of lighting and so on and not make it look like, you know, someone had done it on their phone. 449 00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:49.079 Well, I also think that what's kind of weird is that I don't think that making the phone, like I don't think that... 450 00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:54.480 Yeah, the zooming in, the pinch to zoom thing doesn't really seem to do what it's supposed to do. 451 00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:59.519 I wasn't convinced by that, as if it was like a video that he was just moving his hand. 452 00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:00.660 Oh, right. 453 00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:02.160 Like, it just didn't. 454 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:03.059 He was going to do it anyway. 455 00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.220 But I do like that scene quite a lot. 456 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:06.359 Yeah, I like it. 457 00:34:06.420 --> 00:34:07.980 Yeah, and I agree. 458 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.900 It's nice to not have Clara there. 459 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.139 And it also sells the idea that it is like a short story. 460 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.239 You know, it's just like, oh, Clara's not here. 461 00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:17.699 She off doing taekwondo. 462 00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:21.000 I actually like the excuse. 463 00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:24.179 She's teaching the year 7 taekwondo, which is kind of awesome. 464 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.820 And, you know, in this period you can do that. 465 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:34.139 It's kind of a shame that we didn't do it more, given that she sort of, uh, but that scene, like, what does she say? 466 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:35.760 She comes in and says, did you miss me? 467 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.760 And he says be more specific, who are you again? 468 00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:45.480 which I just think is, again, absolutely terrific, and the sort of gag that he's been doing anyway. 469 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.820 You know, the, I'm not listening to you. 470 00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:53.219 All that I'm not listening to you stuff just gets picked up in me's character, doesn't it? 471 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.119 Like, she's like that. 472 00:34:54.179 --> 00:35:03.840 All of that, he's just not particularly interested in anyone else, is that running gag, and we end with that after having examined that feature of his character. 473 00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:07.260 But, you know, she hugs him and stuff. 474 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:12.539 And the final shot isn't the final shot. him looking at her? 475 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.760 Yes, she says I'm not going anywhere. 476 00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:16.260 She says, I'm not going anywhere. 477 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:17.159 And he just gives this. 478 00:35:17.219 --> 00:35:17.820 Yes. 479 00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:19.559 He goes, no, you are. 480 00:35:19.619 --> 00:35:22.800 He knows that she is because that's what that's all been about. 481 00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:26.159 Like, me says how many Claras have there been? 482 00:35:26.219 --> 00:35:31.320 And the whole bringing me back to life as well when he described it last week. 483 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:44.519 He said, you know, I look at your face and the way you smile and the things that you say, and I know that there'll be a time where it hurts so much to remember those things that I can barely breathe. 484 00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:50.699 You know, he does that to a shilder because he's terrified of losing Clara. 485 00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:56.579 And then he's reminded about how short Clara's life is compared to his. 486 00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:03.179 And so that final scene is him, you know, and it's Capoli, he's such an incredible actor. 487 00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:08.400 You can see that he's going, Yes, you are going somewhere and I know that's happening. 488 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:12.659 You know, it's the foreshadowing and we know that there's only so much time left. 489 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.219 Yeah, with Clara. 490 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.079 I mean she's been on the show for such a long time. 491 00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:29.340 You know, her time is coming to an end and he knows that whatever way it's going to go and he's suspecting it's not going to be great because of her actions that are sort of appearing more and more out of control. 492 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.000 What do you think of the name me, her choosing me? 493 00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:36.719 Like, do you think it's very naturesque, isn't it? 494 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:38.460 Yeah. 495 00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:53.460 Not that you could come up with a different name and yes, after so long, you know, I don't want to call myself a shielder or whatever, like fair enough after 100s of years, but she could have been kind of like, you know, O'Connor to Orcom sort of thing. 496 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.579 It could have been, Ishield, it could have been. you know, Camilla. 497 00:36:56.579 --> 00:36:57.179 Camilla. 498 00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:57.780 Yes, exactly. 499 00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.880 Her name gradually changes. 500 00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:02.340 You know, it's one of those things where it's suddenly on me. 501 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:09.000 But isn't that, like, your name is what a group of people call you. 502 00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:09.719 Yes. 503 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:15.480 Like some people that I know call me sir, some people that I know call me Nathan. 504 00:37:15.539 --> 00:37:16.559 That's it, really. 505 00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:18.780 Yes, I think. 506 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.340 Mr. Bottomley sometimes. 507 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:21.000 Yeah, that happens. 508 00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:38.880 But there what a group of people call you and and you know that thing, like, there are some people that you never call by name, like, I have friends who I'm conscious that I never actually address them by their name, and it's that sort of weird thing because there's a sort of closeness and you're together and all of that. 509 00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:40.199 Like it doesn't sort of come up. 510 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:47.519 So the fact that there's no one that she doesn't have anyone, any, anyone at all. 511 00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:52.860 Uh, she doesn't have a name because there's no one for her anything. 512 00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:57.539 So calling her me because she's her only person. 513 00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.940 So what do I call myself? 514 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.340 Me, an name I call myself. 515 00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:04.260 And so that's why she's called me. 516 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.119 It's like when you ring someone, you go, hi, it's me. 517 00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:07.800 Well, you do. 518 00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:09.780 It's how you go, hi, it's me. 519 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.119 Well, isn't that that's the gang as well? 520 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.820 Yeah, Sam Smith, Sam Smith, yeah. 521 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:21.539 Where Sam Swift says, oh, you know, um, a last kiss for anyone and they all go, me, me. 522 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.400 And he goes, ah, so it must be you. 523 00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:24.420 Like, yes. 524 00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:30.000 So, so... 525 00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:32.519 She keeps her lips pursed. 526 00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:33.539 Oh, she does. 527 00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:34.860 It's a very chaste kiss. 528 00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:40.139 I reckon I'm imagining them getting it on later though. 529 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:41.219 Do you know what I mean? 530 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:42.420 I think she probably likes it. 531 00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:43.679 You know he has a job. tattoo. 532 00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:45.960 Rufus Hound has a daleic tattoo. 533 00:38:46.019 --> 00:38:56.760 And if you've watched the Blu-ray, he does the Rufus Cam, because he was such a fan, he was doing his little vox into his phone and the BBC put some of them onto the Blu-ray set. 534 00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:59.699 And they're also you can hashtag Rufus Cam. can watch them all. 535 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:00.420 Oh, wonderful. 536 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:02.940 I think he's adorable. 537 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.260 Have you heard the missy things? 538 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.679 Maybe that'll be a pick of the week because he's up against, he does the missy audios. 539 00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:09.480 Oh, of course, because he's your time now. 540 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.739 And they're really funny together. 541 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.360 Although it's a bit manic because you're kind of both pitching it the same way. 542 00:39:15.420 --> 00:39:16.380 I can imagine. 543 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:17.159 Sounds great. 544 00:39:17.579 --> 00:39:20.760 I found this discussion. 545 00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:21.780 Very interesting. 546 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.139 Nathan and Richard and Simon. 547 00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:28.019 Can I say I found it unsurprising? 548 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:37.619 No, I found it interesting to hear both sides of the coin. 549 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:47.460 Imagine, though, an episode which was pitched in the same way that the upcoming heaven sent was pitched, a little bit more mature, a bit darker, a bit more serious. 550 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:53.639 I'm not asking for, and that's what I'm sort of talking about when I'm wanting more because the comedy stuff is just fluff, it's disposable. 551 00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:57.300 It's entertaining, but it's it's gone, right? 552 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.619 Whereas something like that episode stays with you. you think about it. 553 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:02.519 You know. 554 00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:12.960 There's so much in this concept of me of a shield of becoming me that is so much interesting about that that is barely touched. 555 00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:15.719 And I think it is still in the remit of the show. 556 00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:17.159 It's not too big a deal. 557 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:18.239 Pete too big an idea. 558 00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:29.699 I mean, I know it's a family show, but I think heaven sent demonstrates the kind of thing you can do with those concepts, which ends up with a much more fulfilling and interesting outcome. 559 00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:33.239 I absolutely don't want heaven sent every week though. 560 00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:34.920 I don't think it should be every week, no. 561 00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:38.579 And I think that one thing the Doctor Who... 562 00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:39.900 But I want it more than once a season. 563 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:41.579 Yeah, maybe, maybe. 564 00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:42.179 Yeah, yeah. 565 00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:42.900 That's my problem. 566 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.599 At the moment, those episodes are only once a season when I'm lucky. 567 00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:49.380 And I want those episodes to be much more frequent. 568 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.280 So I was thinking about how RTD does these big moment things. 569 00:40:53.340 --> 00:41:00.599 You know, something like turn left or midnight, both of which are funny all the way through. 570 00:41:00.659 --> 00:41:02.219 Like they have funny lines. 571 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:03.900 They have interesting character things. 572 00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:06.059 It's called also devastating. 573 00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:06.900 Exactly. 574 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:14.519 Um, and maybe this, because Moffatt's era is more sitcommy comedy. 575 00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:16.920 It's, yeah. 576 00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:19.739 Well, Moffat's got more of the clever one liners. 577 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:27.059 I suppose the retorts, those kind of, no one would actually realistically ever say that you'd have to be, you need a script writer in order to say those lies. 578 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:28.920 But that's okay because it's part of the conceit. 579 00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:30.780 It's TV that works. 580 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:38.699 But yes, but I still think you can do an episode like this with some comic relief in it, but just much more dark. 581 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:41.340 I want I want to ramp up the darkness a bit. 582 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:45.539 Maybe the thing is like last week wasn't very dark, right? 583 00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:49.679 And so, because it was, I'll say lighter. 584 00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:50.219 Yeah. 585 00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:50.940 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 586 00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:54.239 After the 1st 4 episodes, which I found quite sort of full on. 587 00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:54.840 Full on, yeah. 588 00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:56.460 Go, go, go, yeah, yeah. 589 00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:57.599 So it was lighter. 590 00:41:57.659 --> 00:42:13.199 Maybe this week. could have worked and made more impact for you and maybe for me in terms of satisfaction if it had taken that more darker tone and and I would have looked at the gravitas of it more. 591 00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:16.139 And but it's not to say that I don't like it. 592 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:28.139 I understand, like, I look at this 2 part and I just think that I find them much more low key episodes, and I mean low key in compared to what the next 2 episodes and the previous 2 episodes. 593 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.000 But they're both better than I thought. 594 00:42:30.059 --> 00:42:38.639 Like even this, I'm still saying it's at least a 7 for me, whereas last season you had in the Forest of the Night, and that's never going to get to that point. 595 00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:40.079 Not even close. 596 00:42:40.139 --> 00:42:43.139 So... 597 00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:50.280 And I think these 2 get a bump, both these episodes get a get a bad rap, and I think it's not fair that they both get it. 598 00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:57.960 I think, as I said last week, is actually pretty good, and this week is much better than what I think people believe it to be. 599 00:42:58.019 --> 00:42:59.039 Yeah. 600 00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:00.420 I mean I think it's interesting. 601 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:05.880 I think that humour is absolutely central to who the doctor is as a character. 602 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:12.059 And given that both of these stories, I think, are an examination of the doctor's character. 603 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:20.579 I think, you know, coming to the conclusion in each case that humour is the right solution works, given that context. 604 00:43:20.699 --> 00:43:29.340 The attitude to life that Sam Swift has is the correct one, not the attitude that lady me has or that the doctor has. 605 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.260 And I kind of like that. 606 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.320 I think that's part of Bob Holmes' legacy, isn't it? 607 00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:44.519 You know, the doctor is funnier and more fun and the hide bound, although they're pretty funny as well, but the hide bound kind of enemies that he faces, I think. 608 00:43:44.579 --> 00:43:47.340 That's very magnanimous of you, Magnus. 609 00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:03.840 All right, it's part 2 of a two-part story, and so it's time for picks of the week. 610 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:05.639 Todd. 611 00:44:05.699 --> 00:44:16.440 Well, my pick of the week is going to be an episode of Torchwood, also written by Catherine Tregenna, who wrote this episode, and it's going to be the episode Captain Jack Hartness. 612 00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:25.679 I think it's a beautiful episode and I think it really shows what she can do with dialogue and a bit more gravitas to a situation. 613 00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:29.039 She rides meat as well. 614 00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:31.800 Is that the one that Owen gets killed at the end of? 615 00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:38.340 Oh, with the whale that the giant whale that they're carving bits off and eating. 616 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:39.960 I can't remember. can't remember. 617 00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:43.260 I just have sort of strong memories of watching that in the UK. 618 00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:46.260 And since Brendan's not here, I thought I'd mention that. 619 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:47.699 Do you want me to look it up? 620 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:48.719 No, no. 621 00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:52.320 But she writes meat as well, and I think that's a really great episode. 622 00:44:52.380 --> 00:45:00.539 And I just think if this episode isn't quite doing it for you in terms of that gravitas, go and have a look at those 2 and see what she can do, right? 623 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.639 She does Adam as well. 624 00:45:02.699 --> 00:45:13.860 And Adam is like, you know, Star Trek, the Next Generation conundrum, where a character that, and I think there's an X-Files episode, a late X-Files episode that does this as well. 625 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:21.599 It's a sort of genre staple where there's a new character on the show and everyone in the show behaves like they've always been. that great? 626 00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:22.739 Yes, yes, yes. 627 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.719 I'm surprised, Doctor, he hasn't actually properly done that, yeah. 628 00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:25.980 Yeah, but Torch would manage it. 629 00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:27.239 Yeah, with Adam. 630 00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:33.480 So yeah, check out her torchwood episodes, but that's probably Captain Jack Hartness is the one that immediately springs to mind. 631 00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:34.860 But those other 2 are very good as well. 632 00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:36.480 Simon. 633 00:45:36.539 --> 00:45:39.599 I just want to read as a sort of a sort of an extra pick. 634 00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:49.500 I just want to reiterate what Richard mentioned earlier about the Sydney Theatre Company version of a picture of Dorian Gray, which is done as a one-woman show, which is now touring. 635 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:54.239 I't know with the same actress, but if it does come to a region near you, definitely go and see it. 636 00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:55.079 You won't regret it. 637 00:45:55.139 --> 00:45:58.199 My actual pick, though, is something I haven't seen. 638 00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:07.260 It's a film called The Beast, which was in competition at the Venice Film Festival, and unfortunately overnight, as we're recording this, failed to win the award. 639 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.679 I was hoping I was going to be able to announce that, but alas not. 640 00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:19.380 It's in French and English, and the actress Leah Stou, who people may know as Madeline Swan in some of the Daniel Craig James Bond films. 641 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:23.159 So the premise of the film is in the near future, the not too distant future. 642 00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:32.519 Emotions have become a threat, and our lead character decides to purify her DNA in a machine that will immerse her in her past lives and rid her of her strong feelings. 643 00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:34.320 And then she meets a character. 644 00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:40.679 So it's a film it's set in 3 time zones, the not too distant future, the not too distant pass, and then the Belapocch era of Paris. 645 00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:47.820 And then she obviously meets the same people in each, you know, it's like that thing in her life is split. a bit count Scarlione. 646 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.420 You know, she splits across the things. 647 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:55.679 Anyway, it sounds absolutely fascinating and definitely will be on my list of films to watch. 648 00:46:55.739 --> 00:46:56.699 So that's The Beast. 649 00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:58.199 So I assume it'll be out. 650 00:46:58.260 --> 00:47:01.800 I don't think there's a release date yet, but I imagine they'll be out around Christmas, one assumes. 651 00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:08.820 I only had Rufus Hound and Big Finish because I'd like to plug them because I just hope people listen to them. 652 00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:11.760 So the missy adventures are definitely worth listening to. 653 00:47:11.820 --> 00:47:13.800 And he's our new time meddler. 654 00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:22.739 He is, he is the monk, um, Ford, with David Bradley, with Tim Trelora's Purwee. and Katie. 655 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:24.719 He and Katie are great together. 656 00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:25.679 They really are. 657 00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:26.760 He just plays this. 658 00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.639 I mean, he plays the same part every everything he does. 659 00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:30.719 He's in cucumber. 660 00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:31.199 Do you remember? 661 00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:32.159 No. 662 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:32.760 Yeah. 663 00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:34.559 He's in Robert, does he play? 664 00:47:34.619 --> 00:47:35.880 I can't remember it so long ago. 665 00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:37.679 Yeah, I haven't seen it for ages as well. 666 00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:39.780 So I like, oh, yes. 667 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:40.139 Yes. 668 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:41.460 Always river sound. 669 00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:43.800 So at the end of episode two. 670 00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:48.179 My pick of the week was Strange New Worlds series two. 671 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:55.019 And then at the end of episode four, Fraser's pick of the week was also strange new ones. 672 00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.159 And so this time would be a bit excessive to do it again. 673 00:47:59.219 --> 00:47:59.519 Yes. 674 00:47:59.579 --> 00:48:08.940 I'm going to be Star Trek Lower Decks, which at the time of recording has just released its 1st 2 episodes, including one called Two Vics. 675 00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:12.420 That's TWOVIX. 676 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:12.960 Right. 677 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:24.000 It's just terrifically fun, and if you sat through 100s and 100s and 100s of hours of 90s Star Trek, which we all did because... 678 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:24.659 What else was it? 679 00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:44.039 It's so much fun to have people who know and love it as much as we do and who know, like us, how incredibly ridiculous it all is. you know, to revisit all of that with us. 680 00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:44.820 So I really like that. 681 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:52.559 And of course, discussed a few episodes on untitled Star Trek project, which is available at all good podcast vendors. 682 00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:55.800 I've learned that bananas have bones. 683 00:49:18.539 --> 00:49:21.659 Well, they listen, that's all the time that happens. 684 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:27.539 We will be back next week to meet the Zygons who live among us in the Zygon invasion. 685 00:49:27.659 --> 00:49:44.519 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us on our website, FlightthroughEntirety.com, where you'll find all our social media links, as well as links to our other podcasts, Bondfinger, Jody interterra, maximum power, and untitled Star Trek project. 686 00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:49.019 Until next time, remember to make every last moment count. 687 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.659 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 688 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:52.860 Good night. 689 00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.059 See you soon. 690 00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.500 Good thenings. 691 00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:05.699 That was Flight 3 Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley, Simon Moore, and Richard Stone. 692 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.039 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 693 00:50:08.099 --> 00:50:15.900 This episode, John Scott Martin in a zombie suit, was recorded on the 10th of September 2023, and released on the 22nd of October. 694 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:31.980 As is now well known, the woman who lived is the first part of a trilogy, alongside The Woman Who Fell to Earth, and next year's Shooty Gatwa episode, The woman who was just not as well dressed as The Doctor, starring Gemma Redgrave, as Kate Stewart. 695 00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:40.320 I've learned that bananas have bones. 696 00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:44.940 Far out that second episode. 697 00:50:44.940 --> 00:50:46.320 I've got to watch. 698 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:47.219 I have not yet watched one. 699 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:48.719 I forgot to watch that. 700 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:50.699 No, no, no, I really want to. 701 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.539 But I kind of need a block of time to be able to, you know... 702 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:55.380 Have you seen the 1st two? 703 00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:56.880 No, I haven't yet. 704 00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.000 Is it a send-up of 2 days? 705 00:51:00.059 --> 00:51:01.139 Yes, it's a sequel. 706 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:02.699 Yes. 707 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.099 And it's for real. 708 00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:05.760 Oh, is that weird? 709 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.119 Tuvok, Tuvok, and Neelix become the same person or something? 710 00:51:09.179 --> 00:51:12.059 Yeah, same person. and you wish they had stayed that person. 711 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:16.139 And then, and then, and then, who are the 2 in these? 712 00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:18.780 No, you can't tell him. 713 00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:20.940 Oh, but we don't have to tell... 714 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:21.659 Off Mike. 715 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:23.039 Billip's and Tahana. 716 00:51:23.099 --> 00:51:24.360 Right. 717 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:25.199 To start with. 718 00:51:25.260 --> 00:51:29.639 But my favourite scene is in the gym right at the beginning. 719 00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:30.599 Oh, the scene of the gym. 720 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.340 Oh my God. where they reenact. 721 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.659 So Shacks, who's the big Burleys Bajoran security officer. 722 00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:37.380 Have watched any of it? 723 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.480 Brendan's Crush. of low decks. 724 00:51:39.539 --> 00:51:41.340 No, not a single... 725 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.380 So Shax is a big mature and security officer. 726 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:44.280 I think he's hot. 727 00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:48.780 He calls, he calls baby bear. 728 00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:49.739 He calls her. 729 00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:50.400 Yeah. 730 00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:57.119 And and then Jerry O'Connell's massively ripped and buffed Captain Commander Ransom, who's the 2 I see. 731 00:51:57.179 --> 00:52:06.300 They're in the gym in the same leotards as Deanna and Beverly in that scene from the price. 732 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.900 And they're doing the same stretching. 733 00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:15.420 Like, but it's like a proper scene that functions as a scene in the episode. 734 00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:17.579 It would have worked if you didn't know that. 735 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.559 I have to show. 736 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:20.400 Nut fudge sundaes. 737 00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:22.739 Love it, love it, love it cheek day. 738 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.179 Have you done the out. 739 00:52:24.300 --> 00:52:24.960 No, he hasn't done that. 740 00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:26.760 No, I just... 741 00:52:26.820 --> 00:52:27.599 I'm going to watch it again. 742 00:52:27.659 --> 00:52:29.099 No, it's brilliant. 743 00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:30.059 Let me show you. all right. 744 00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:33.960 Oh my goodness. 745 00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:35.039 Okay, great. 746 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.800 Including cartoon bulger. 747 00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:39.360 So good. 748 00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:40.800 So great. funny. 749 00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:41.519 Are they both so cute? 750 00:52:41.579 --> 00:52:41.940 Yes. 751 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:43.980 Jerry O'Connell. 752 00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:45.780 Jerry O'Connell, Jerry O'Donnell. 753 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.360 Jerry O'Connell. 754 00:52:48.420 --> 00:52:50.579 He was the lead in sliders. 755 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.079 Right. 756 00:52:52.139 --> 00:52:58.079 And he's married to the woman who plays Una Chin Riley. in Star Trek Strangely Worlds. 757 00:52:58.139 --> 00:52:59.460 Oh, right. 758 00:52:59.519 --> 00:52:59.940 Okay, sure. 759 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.980 So he's the number one. 760 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:10.559 He's the voice another one, yeah. on Cerritos, and she's number one. on the on the Enterprise. 761 00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:10.920 Right. 762 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:24.840 And in fact, in the episode that the crossover episode, he does get to say of Una that she's the hottest commander in Starfleet, which is sort of adorable. 763 00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:26.940 All right, I need to do the closing track because I forgot. 764 00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:30.960 Well, dear listener, that's all the time we have for this week.