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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight for Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that really does know how to snack.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Peter.

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And I'm Jack.

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Well, Christmas comes round again every year, but a final farewell is something that can only ever happen once, or 2 or 3 times.

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So now it's time for River Songs last, last night in the Husbands of River Song.

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So how about that Ramon?

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My God.

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He's pretty.

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He is pretty.

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So he is in the survivors that stars.

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That's him.

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Raveo.

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Did not know where he was from.

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Yeah.

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I knew him.

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Oh, yes, okay.

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Yeah, he was attractive in survivors.

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He was really great.

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I remember his one line when he talked about what he most missed about the before time was his laptop, and I kind of thought, that's exactly what I would say as well.

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Laptops, how can we podcast?

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Exactly.

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This is a really kind of funny episode in that the bulk of it is overshadowed by the last 10 minutes.

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And I'm going to call on us to do something formally complicated, which is we're not going to talk about the last 10 minutes until the very end.

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How about that?

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No, I think it's easier to do that because as you say, it is such a marked shift when it happens.

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So yeah, I can do that.

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The one thing I am going to say is that I recently saw the last 10 minutes on YouTube, and I think I sort of pre-cried before pressing the play button.

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But then when I think back on it, I always kind of find it hard to remember what actually happened in the 45 minutes leading up to it.

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Turns out quite a lot.

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Yeah.

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A few jokes.

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Some action?

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Recycled set?

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A bit of romantic comedy.

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Yep, yep.

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I mean, Moffat.

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This is this is really what he's done the 2nd year in a row with Capaldi, which is that we've had a sort of fairly bleak season finale and then followed it up just a couple of weeks later with some fun.

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And last Christmas was really very great and properly scary and stuff, but was also just fun and warm and solved many of the problems that existed at the end of series 8.

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Does this do the same thing?

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I think that's very right, because particularly in series 8, I think there was an eagerness to capture the darkness that, you know, Peter Capaldi has demonstrated he can bring to the role.

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And kind of everybody assumed he would bring.

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He does come from a very strong comedy background with a very high pedigree and it's quite a Serbic comedy.

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Um, but it's really nice to um, uh, see him do something that's quite charming and sweet and romantic, which I don't think you've really seen from him up until this point.

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Yeah, I love what Peter Capaldi's given to do in this because by forgetting Clara, It relieves him a lot of the baggage of the last 2 series, and that's not a veiled insult at Jenna Coleman, who's brilliant, or even at the character, because the character's really great as well, but it seems like Stephen Moffat has kind of gone, well, what would the doctor be like if he hadn't met Clara?

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And he's still got a bit of the irascibility, you know, the bit with the reindeer antlers.

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Because the TARDIS knows what's happened, so the TARDIS is trying to cheer him apart.

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I love the description of it as a holodramatic antlers.

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Yes.

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Maybe the Tarlist just knows he's going to be a bit horny this episode.

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I think possibly the moment where the character of the doctor gives into the comedy of the situation is after they've teleported out and fallen down and hydroflex is in the bag yelling at them and he just starts laughing and Rivers's like, it's not funny.

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And he's like, we're being threatened by a bag.

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Well, he actually says I haven't laughed for a long time.

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Yeah, that's true.

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And I mean, it doesn't, doesn't, maybe it's in deep breath as early as deep breath where Clara tells him not to smile.

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Because, you know, I'll tell you when to smile.

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Because he's smile, he's a bit scary. has the line where he says, don't look in the mirror.

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It's fury.

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So that is a fun thing to see, but he still gets to be irascible, but in a more comedy way.

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Like, I think we get it right.

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I think Carol singers will be criticised.

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Criticised. absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Very warm irascibility.

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Yeah.

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Poor Carol.

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Even that really early moment where he just sort of half turns to Matt Lucas and says, do you still really think I'm a surgeon?

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So great.

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No, but doesn't he say, this might be an alarming question.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Don't make puddles.

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Dont make puddle.

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You might need a mop.

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Because Moffatt is at hard a sitcom rider.

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And even when he's doing Doctor Who, it's most serious, you know, the characters that he creates are sitcom characters who behave in predictable ways, they're well characterised, we know how they're going to respond to things and that's part of the fun and subverting that or playing with that or reinforcing it is what he does.

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And 2 of the principal roles here.

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You have Matt Lucas, a comedian, and Greg Davies, a comedian.

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You know, but Matt Lucas playing it a little bit for laughs, but not, it's kind of weird.

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You know, he's not winking at the audience.

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This character is just a bit silly.

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And Greg Davies is sort of, you know, from the Graham Crowden school of villainy, that I have no problem with that whatsoever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, he's perfect at Christmas, I think.

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And I also think too, there was a time where people said we're really kind of out of ideas as far as Christmas is concerned.

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And I think that this gets it completely right.

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It's literally on the planet Zog, isn't it?

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Like it's, you know, 2 name kind of vaguely Latinate planet in the 54th century or something Christmas day.

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Like we just literally don't care where it is.

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And, and, you know, we have sort of Christmas decorations and stuff and we have the spaceship that looks like a Christmas bauble and we have snow and stuff and I think that's kind of all you need.

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I think the only person from the actual planet, which all we know is in the future and it's a human colony.

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We just get the surgeon who turns up and then we never see him again.

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I think that's the only person on the planet we see. other than Matt Lucas.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We literally don't care, do we?

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No, no, actually, I was one of those people who was complaining that every 13th episode of Doctor Who was about Christmas.

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But around about the time of the snowmen, I think Stephen got it right where Doctor 2 stopped doing Christmas on Christmas Day and just did a Christmassy feeling.

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Obviously, last Christmas accepted because that had actual Santa Claus in it.

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But the snowman and this, they feel right for Christmas without being about Christmas.

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Yeah, I guess the snowman has the advantage of being sort of set in Victorian times where most of our Christmas iconography comes from...

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Yeah, here we're in the 54th century.

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That seems less Christmassy on the face of it.

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But it's just sort of terrific that it happens.

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I'm really, you know, we're releasing this on Christmas Day and the Christmas special is back and I'm really happy about that.

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I think it is a great thing.

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And it makes Doctor Who big, I think.

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Jack, how old were you when you saw this?

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Ooh, we're coming out with the big questions, are we?

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You can fudge it a little if you want.

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I was in university if that makes people feel a little better.

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Okay, fine.

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I was just wondering how, you know, kids, like the teenagers would have responded to something, which is essentially a love story.

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It's a romance.

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And in its early segments, it's a screwball romance.

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But as with all screwball comedies, the romance is at the heart of it and that's sort of what gives way.

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I remember really enjoying it.

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I think I was in my 2nd year of uni and I really love series 9.

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I love the darkness in it, particularly at the end of it.

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I loved Heavensend and Hellbent as well.

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And I remember finding it a really wonderful reprieve.

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I think for me, um, I, I, been enjoying Stephen Moffat in this very serious big thesis statement register where he's coming up with these very big statements about what the show is and what the show can be and what it could be.

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And it's really quite nice to see him kind of, not retreat entirely into his comfort zone, but he's in a much more familiar register of like, it's essentially a series of romantically linked sketches.

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It's a lot of farcical scenarios.

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They barter the head of a dead king to his own servants.

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The whole premise of the multiple husbands is kind of very space sitcoming as well.

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Don't forget the falling through the floor.

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Falling through the floor.

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It's all very frothy and very silly and very witty, and there are lots of little clever jokes throughout it, and it is very much guided by that romantic chemistry that Alex Kingston, Peter Capaldi have.

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I remember finding it really nice to see the show embrace that because up until this point, there had been this kind of anti-romantic streak in the doctor, like overcompensating for the David Tennant and Matt Smith year.

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So it was quite nice to see him in this much cosier, cuter register.

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I think wasn't there that quote that Stephen Moffatt emails Russell T. Davis saying he'd got Alex Kingston and Peter Capaldi for a special and he said, oh, think of it, the sex storm that's coming.

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Good advice always.

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It is really wonderful, isn't it?

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We'll get there, but they never actually kiss, but the romance stuff is really good, and it's actually the one really sort of heartbreaking thing.

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We still not talking about the last 10 minutes.

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Because what we get here is something that we never get to see, and it's a very strange depiction of what rivers, life is like, because...

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So we learn here that she's 200 years old.

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We know that we go straight from here to the story that she tells the 10th doctor when she's sort of chained herself to the wall or whatever in silence in the library in Forest of the Dead.

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So we know it's it's the end coming.

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And what doesn't seem to have happened is that the doctor doesn't seem to have made her better. that when the doctor's not there, her life is sort of weird and kind of a bit bad, you know, she's marrying people in order to get diamonds off them.

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She, you know, hires a surgeon to sort of scoop all the brains out of Greg Davies head and stuff.

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Like, it does seem strange.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I really like this depiction because we got hints of it in the Matt Smith era if Matt Smith was in the other room.

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You know, she, that's when, you know, she makes a Dalek beg for mercy or shoots all the silence and says to Rory, don't tell him indoors, basically.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And just the sort of anguished look on Peter Capaldi's face when she's going through all this.

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And I think it's then a bit of a strange choice where, you know, she originally explains she's getting the diamond because it was stolen from other people and she's going to return it, but then she's just going to sell it.

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And I think I think maybe we needed another twist there where she's like, and then I'll give the money to the people.

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What do they need a diamond for?

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you know.

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But that being said, I think the uncomfortableness is kind of a bit more true to the character.

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Yeah.

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Because, you know, she is a trained assassin.

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And I think it's the game that the episode is playing in the 1st half because it, the 1st half of the, well, most of the episode is built on the idea that we're seeing the bits of Rivers life that the doctor doesn't see because she doesn't know he's there.

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And it kind of posits this idea that that river song has secretly been stringing the doctor along the entire time.

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And like, you know, she says, you know, there's the joke about him being damsel, because he needs a lot of rescuing. when there's that bit a little bit later where she says he's nobody special but terribly useful every once in a while.

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And it does feel, in some way, a kind of response to a line of criticism to the character of her song, which is that her life is entirely built around the doctor and she's entirely codependent and he is the centre of her life.

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And this kind of flips that a little bit to be like, no, actually, he's the help.

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He, you know, he helps me do the things I want to do.

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And he kind of gets away thinking, oh, she's a lovely, kind, beautiful person.

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I love the idea that she is constantly sneaking into the Tartars taking it away.

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Oh, yeah.

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Just dropping it back.

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And the doctor never finds out about it.

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And even that thing where the doctor says, well, what if he found out about it now, you know?

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And that also gives us the opportunity to do that incredible thing where he goes in there and properly does the bigger on the inside of the outside speech, how he thinks it should always be done.

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And that was so good.

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Finally, it's my turn.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, it's, you know, like everyone is aware that everyone writing the companion's 1st scene in the TARDIS has to do it and has to find a way of doing it.

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And, you know, you have Donna who sees the inside of the Tartars 1st and comments on how small it is outside and you have Martha saying it's made of wood and you have that wonderful scene with Rose.

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Like there are so many ways of doing it, but it's a thing that you have to do.

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And so having the doctor know that rule as well.

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And actually, it makes up the fact that River, to my knowledge, has never had that scene.

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We've never seen that.

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And also, it's that twist on the companion thing that the new series does where travelling with the doctor makes you a better person.

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It makes River a better person when she's with him, but is she a better person when she's not with him?

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I really like that.

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Yeah.

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And the one thing I will quickly say on that joke is that it is one of those scenes and one of those jokes that you think, how has this never been done before?

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It's such a fun idea.

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But the great button on it is that he does his grandstanding and he does his little speech and then River pulls open a panel that reveals a whole cabinet of alcohol that he's never seen before.

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Or the button, he says you might want to press that button and she says it clears the weight tank.

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Oh, on deck seven.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and he's like, best to avoid decks.

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Does he know anyway?

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He leaves the brakes on.

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So good.

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I think my favourite line in that speech from Capaldi, and I'm not going to get it verbatim, but it's like, the laws of Euclidean geometry have been scribbled on, torn up, and then snogged to death.

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He's been practising it in the mirror.

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That bit where River is saying, like, she's just using the doctor, the big finish audios kind of play with that, and she'd started making them already at this point.

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Alex Kingston thought after, um, name of the doctor.

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She's like, well, that's it.

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Like, I've done death, I've done post-death, not going to invite me back again.

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So she started making these with Big Finish.

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And one of the recurring themes in the big finish plays is people trying to get at the doctor and her convincing them he's not as important as they think he is.

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Right.

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And, you know, it all culminates in that beautiful speech she gives about, you know, you don't expect the stars themselves to love your back.

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It's so good, isn't it?

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Because...

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And because she's starting to say the thing. because it's a sitcom and because it relies on her having insufficient information.

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And so she's saying all this stuff about there's no way he is stupid or sentimental enough to be here right now just because I need rescuing.

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And it becomes clear that all that stuff that she said about the doctor and why the doctor's not important and how the doctors are occasionally useful is all defensive because she thinks that the doctor doesn't really love her.

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And she's wrong about it.

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She's wrong.

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Yeah, it's written all over Peter Capaldi's face.

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It's quite beautiful.

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I feel like it's the kind of performance.

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That as good as Matt Smith is, he could never give that kind of performance simply because of age and personal lived experience.

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And, you know, Peter Capaldi's doctor has that big chunky ring on his wedding finger because he refuses to take off his real-life wedding ring.

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Didn't we see the close-up of it in his announcement video?

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Yes, exactly.

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You know, and so Peter Capaldi is a massive romantic and there's that video of him being told at a convention that he's a silver fox and having to ask the interviewer what a silver fox is.

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And getting terribly embarrassed to say, well, I think my wife must think so.

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And he looks at her the way we all want someone to look at us.

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And it's one of the things where her relationship with Matt Smith, Rivers's relationship was always played for laughs because there was the age difference.

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And they've shied away from giving the 12th doctor any of that kind of sexual chemistry with his companions just because of the age difference again.

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In fact, early on they were making some icky jokes about old man and how old he is, which just didn't really fly.

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But here they're able to move that on from being a screwball comedy to being an actual romance, just because he and Alex Kingston look age appropriate, look right together, and have that level of sophistication, where they can actually play it as a proper romance..

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River has that line where she's like, hush, mummy and daddy are talking, which, which, which, I imagine works a lot better with Peter Capaldi than Matt Smith?

226
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Although that would be funny with him.

227
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Oh, my comedy cutaway.

228
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Mummy and 2nd husband at all.

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So I think Ramon's only the husband just to justify the plural, I think.

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I think we want just more than 2 husbands if it's going to be called husbands of River Song.

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Yes.

233
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Yeah, yeah.

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So now we have three.

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And also, you know, it's a matter of if Ramon's around, you're going to, yeah, yeah.

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That scene where, like, he's reacting to them kissing and kind of, you know, dismissing kissing is something where there's not a sort of lot of variety.

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You just the one thing.

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That's really great.

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And he, you know, just his constant reaction to her extra husbands.

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I guess maybe the extra husbands are, like, a kind of symbol or a, you know, an epitome of this weird different life that she leads that he's completely unaware of.

241
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Even the gag at the end before the opening credits where he says, I think I'm going to need a bigger flow track.

242
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Which again is super brilliant because everyone was doing flow charts of how the relationship between the doctor and river intersects, you know, throughout the different episodes.

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But it's also a reflection of that.

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She's married to the doctor and the doctor is all different people.

245
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So she's had multiple husbands.

246
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She just, yeah.

247
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Yeah, I do think one of the really nice details about the husbands of River song in particular.

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Because, you know, by this point, River song's timeline on television alone is so complicated and so nonlinear that it is hard to keep track of.

249
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And the episode is constructed, it's very conscious of where this falls in rivers, personal timeline, and it does kind of, uh, position it through a lot of very careful lines of dialogue, but it doesn't, it also doesn't get bogged down too much in, you know, the last time we met, we did this, we did that, uh, it does because you were in Manhattan, you're about to go here, and it tips its hat to where she will be going back too.

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In fact, there's a line very, very early on when he 1st meets her and doesn't even know who she is because she's wearing the cow and he says new suit, new hair car, which is a quote from Forest of the Dead.

251
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And I wondered why that came in.

252
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And I guess it comes in because then she gets to react to his actual suit when when the date happens at the end of the episode.

253
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But it does for those of us who are watching, put it in a particular place straight away, I think.

254
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Yeah, yeah.

255
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I think the detail, uh, that mo, which is, it's very Stephen Moffat, um, but again, not to, not to jump ahead too much, but right at the end, uh, Alex Kingston just says, do you remember that time there were 2 of you, which is a reference to uh, one of the series 6 minisodes, I think.

256
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

257
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Good night last night.

258
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Bad night.

259
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Yeah.

260
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Yeah, from the DVD.

261
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Yeah, so this is, and she alludes to it.

262
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I mean, the script alludes to the fact that they've occasionally arranged dates on durelium before, but the doctor's cancelled.

263
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And, you know, Moffatt is an inveterate recycler of his own staff and his own ideas and, you know, Sally Sparrow, for instance, is perhaps the most obvious example of that.

264
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And so he's not going to not do something because he's done it in a DVD extra. particularly because when he does this, it's so amazingly good.

265
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Yeah.

266
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Is it worth talking about how, I don't know how much we want to talk about this, how this was originally going to be Stephen Moffat's intended last episode?

267
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So we have been talking about that over the last few episodes of series 9 that this is him winding up the River song Arc and actually kind of going out where he comes in because when Silence of the Library and Forest of the Dead go out, we know that he's the next showrunner.

268
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Yeah, already.

269
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And so that's kind of the start of his era.

270
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And obviously it's the start of his era because we're getting that picture from River of what the doctor is going to be like in the Matt Smith era and the Capoli era.

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And so he is very definitely winding up something that needed to be properly finalised and kind of closing the circle, I think.

272
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And so this is his kind of victory round, isn't it?

273
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You know, with heaven sent and then hell bent, you know, following up his triumphing day of the doctor, both in the Zygon episode and in the season finale, and now just coming back for a romantic comedy, which is also where his career starts.

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And it's also from a sort of writing and production point of view, Chris Chibnell has already been approached as his successor.

275
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So Stephen Moffat has gone, okay, Gallifre's back, and we know where it is.

276
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Clara has left the show.

277
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Clara has left the show.

278
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We've wrapped up the river song story.

279
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Here is your blank palette.

280
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Yeah.

281
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And then, of course, he has dinner with Chris Chibnall.

282
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And so the BBC have already sounded out Chris Chibnall, and he says, yes, I'd love to take over when Stephen finishes.

283
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Didn't tell him when Stephen was finishing.

284
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So he has dinner with Chris Gentleman says, so can you take over for Sirius 10?

285
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And Chris Chipnell says, I'm making Broadchurch season three?

286
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That's when everyone involved kind of goes, oh, maybe we should have confirmed schedules with each other.

287
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But even without that, there was going to be a break.

288
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Capaldi injures his knee during the Zygon 2 parter and has to go in for surgery, which I think puts him out of filming for 8 months.

289
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So there was always going to be a long gap anyway, but I think it was more that it was going to be a year rather than a year and a half .

290
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Yeah.

291
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I mean, this is the longest gap between episodes in New Who, is it not?

292
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Up until this point.

293
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Yeah.

294
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Yeah, 365 days between the same mysterio.

295
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Yeah.

296
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Yeah, and it does affect series 10 because series 10 can't really do anything.

297
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I mean, he's gotten our doll and he's got messy still to do stuff with. and they get an arc and they get to be kind of concluded in a sort of satisfactory way.

298
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So there's that.

299
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But in a way, I think there's something interesting coming up about how Moffatt works when he doesn't have this sort of big plan and this massive toy box and stuff.

300
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And it actually, I think, probably has an interesting effect on what he produces.

301
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Yeah.

302
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I do think it's kind of darkly humourous how many times Stephen Moffatt tries to leave because, you know, originally he was like, I'll do 3 seasons and then, you know, day of the doctor comes along and all the contractual issues and Matt Smith may be staying for series 8 and maybe not.

303
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And then when Matt Smith decides to go, Moffatt's like, well, I can't have someone who's like, I know how difficult it is to start totally fresh.

304
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I'll stay on for one more year.

305
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Oh, God, we've got Peter Capaldi. stay on.

306
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And then he's going to leave with last Christmas.

307
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And, oh, Jenna's staying on.

308
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I'd better stay on rather than really a 1000000000 years over a 1000000000 years.

309
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There is a venerable tradition in Doctor Who of the producer being persuaded to stay.

310
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Yes.

311
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I think my favourite version of that story was, I think they had wrapped on series 10, uh, or were close to, and uh, he was like, all right, I'm done.

312
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We're finished with series 10, I'm done.

313
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And I think he was at a BBC party and they go up into him and say, Chris doesn't want to do the Christmas special. he's like, what do you mean he doesn't want to do the Christmas special?

314
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And then he's like, all right, give me 2 more glasses of red wine and I'll convince Peter to stay on too.

315
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Let's talk a little bit about the ship, which is called, I think, Harmony and Redemption. and the villains that we have.

316
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So the villains are called 3 random nouns that don't seem to have anything to do with anything.

317
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The shoal of the Winter Harmony.

318
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There's 2 definite articles in there.

319
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Okay, it's not the harmony of the Winter Shoal.

320
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No, I'm pretty sure it's the shoal of the winter harmony.

321
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Impossible to tell.

322
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They do come back, actually.

323
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Immediately.

324
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Yeah.

325
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Yeah.

326
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Yeah. and and then never again.

327
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Like, I thought they were setting up a Chris Gibnall thing.

328
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Right, right.

329
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You know, but no, I think I think Moffatt learns with the spoonheads that you can do CG with people's heads.

330
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Yeah, that's what they remind me of.

331
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And you could do weird head stuff.

332
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And that moment where the guy reaches into his own head.

333
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So the guy who comes up to her scratch.

334
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So gooey.

335
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Yeah, everything is gooey and then the thing that he pulls out is really gooey and so River has to put a napkin under it in order to take it.

336
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And Capaldi's going, I wouldn't do that in a restaurant.

337
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I don't know what that means.

338
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Does he mean that he...

339
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It's unhygienic.

340
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Oh, I thought it might mean someone thinks there's raw meat somewhere.

341
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If there wasn't before, there is no.

342
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It's great.

343
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That guy does that stupid voice, though.

344
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Yeah.

345
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I think he's got scratch?

346
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He's called scratch.

347
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Yeah, yeah.

348
00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:17.339
And he's got a really sort of weird and definite look, but as you alluded to before, Brendan, it is Mancini's restaurant, isn't it?

349
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From Deep Bread.

350
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Yes.

351
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And we have the moment where we look around and discover that they're all scratch, you know.

352
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So he is, as we said before, recycling his own ideas a little bit.

353
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But of course, he's not the best villain in the scene.

354
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The best villain in the scene is the splendidly camp concierge.

355
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Hemmy.

356
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Oh, Fleming.

357
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Fleming.

358
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Fleming.

359
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Yeah, Fleming.

360
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He is amazing.

361
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That dialogue.

362
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There's something because it's not just that she wants to murder Hydro flags.

363
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It's also that she seems to be sort of hanging around with the most evil people in existence.

364
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And I think one of the reasons they're evil is just for plot reasons, so we don't have to save them at the end.

365
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You know, so we're quite happy with them crashing on Derelium and everyone's dead and we don't have to kind of worry about that.

366
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So I think there's a very simple sort of say Wadi and we don't need them anymore, but we give a moral reason for kind of killing them.

367
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Yeah, I think the doctor actually says he has a line at the end where he's like, oh, and I think if anybody on board that ship probably wasn't worth saving anyway.

368
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

369
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He says it to Alphonse at the end.

370
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But he also says it to River.

371
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He says there's not one person on the ship who is worth you and she says the same thing to him.

372
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But, you know, these are very evil people.

373
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And the way that Fleming is described as evil is sort of sort of weirdly racist in a way, because it's to do with the way that, you know, his species reproduces.

374
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It's that just tremendous, you know, how are the twins of, very well, still digesting their mother.

375
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It was a lovely service.

376
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Yeah, so good.

377
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.039
Like all of that stuff is really funny and they're really sort of gross and horrible.

378
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Basically, every villain this episode is just some kind of ick.

379
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

380
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And we have that dialogue, which is just ludicrously over the top, you know, even the people who are serving the dinner have to have lots of confirmed slaughters, so we don't have to worry about that.

381
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

382
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It's not like platform one.

383
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Do you know what I mean?

384
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Where all the rich come and then there are poor people who we have to sort of care about.

385
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We hate all of them.

386
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:30.839
They're all murderers.

387
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They're all bad, and so we can kill them all at the end.

388
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And that's just the nice people.

389
00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:42.839
And there's that great line where River says something like, you know, en-suites are reserved for planet burners, do try the fish.

390
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So much fun.

391
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.259
Well, we all know Jim the Fish.

392
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That's the other thing.

393
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We do get the scene where we synchronise diaries, sort of, don't we?

394
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But it's it's Fleming going around just reading it out.

395
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.339
And apparently there was a film with a crash of the Byzantium.

396
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Which, uh, would have been great.

397
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Yeah.

398
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I'm Angels.

399
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But it is when they are in the in the dining room, and they have that little scene at the table where the episode begins to signpost that the tone is slightly shifting. because you do have that moment.

400
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:39.059
And again, it's one of those Stephen Moffatt things that is like, you know, a very pithy and beautiful in a very concise way where she mentions that her diary, you know, is almost out and the man who gave her the diary is the kind of person who knew how many pages you would need in a diary.

401
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:44.640
Because it does the thing that Moffat always does, which is he fixes it.

402
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We think the story is going to have a bad ending and he finds a way to fix it.

403
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:57.480
And the way that he does that in the 1st story that we see River Song in is by having the doctor in the future.

404
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Give River the Sonic screwdriver.

405
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And use it to save her so that she can be uploaded to the virtual reality that's at the heart of the planet.

406
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And, obviously, we see that moving into place gear.

407
00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:21.239
But he does more, I think, to fix it, doesn't he?

408
00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:25.320
So we get the dialogue saying that river is 200 years old.

409
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.980
So we, this isn't a life tragically cut short.

410
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Yeah.

411
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Yeah, yeah.

412
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:35.460
Um, and also we have had in, I think it was let's kill Hitler.

413
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:40.079
She makes a comment that she can make like minor alterations to her physical appearance.

414
00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:44.039
Like, you know, I'll knock off a few years over a few decades and keep people confused or something like that.

415
00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:45.480
Yeah, that's my philosophy.

416
00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:47.579
You do it so well, darling.

417
00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:49.739
Yes, yes.

418
00:34:49.800 --> 00:35:04.019
And I think also where the doctor starts to fix it is once he realises that river was bluffing with all that stuff about him not being important, there's no further judgement of her actions.

419
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:09.360
Because she doesn't have a TARDIS, she has to make her way in the universe.

420
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.880
And...

421
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:19.260
Regardless of her reasons for why she's married Hydroflex and whatnot, he is a genocidal maniac.

422
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:20.880
But I mean, I mean, the thing.

423
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.320
There's no way to talk about Stephen Fry.

424
00:35:25.380 --> 00:35:33.539
But I think the thing is that the doctor realises that he has allowed River to believe that he doesn't love her.

425
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:34.260
Yes.

426
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.980
And so it's down to him, you know.

427
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.420
So that final 10 minutes is him making up for it.

428
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.440
Isn't it?

429
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:49.380
You know, yeah, so he takes the diamond, he convinces Alphonse to build the restaurant.

430
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:54.000
He then tries to get a preservation. okay, well, in 4 years, he's like, oh, fine then.

431
00:35:54.059 --> 00:35:55.619
I'll come I'll come back.

432
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.280
It's such a splendidly moffat thing leading into that.

433
00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:07.019
We've never had the action sequence before, where the doctrine companion leap into the TARDIS and shut the doors on a crash that's about to happen.

434
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:12.239
Feel it inside, and then move on in time to, they open the doors.

435
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:13.019
There's nothing there.

436
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:14.280
They set something in train.

437
00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:16.320
He just like moves to lever very slightly.

438
00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:18.539
You get very slight tartis wheezing and groaning.

439
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.599
He opens the doors again, and you're aware, you think you will be.

440
00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:23.159
And it's really nice.

441
00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:27.239
It's really Stephen Moffati leading into a very quiet Stephen Moffatt moment.

442
00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:40.380
It reminds me a little bit of the beginning of Hellbent, where we have that story where different groups of people come to the doctor until the doctor manages to overthrow the government.

443
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:41.699
It like a short story.

444
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.579
Like it has an absolute short story structure.

445
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:48.360
So that 10 minutes at the end is almost something separate.

446
00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:50.820
And you can imagine him just writing that.

447
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.340
But that's the final night that they have.

448
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:58.139
Oh, and I think, Brendan, you're quite right.

449
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:04.139
Just talking about that sequence, I love the idea of the doctor just giving somebody the most valuable diamond in the universe.

450
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:05.159
He just says restaurant.

451
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.760
It's a restaurant to happen.

452
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:23.159
But I think you are right, because there's that bit where, you know, the Tartar goes haywires and it lands and he picks up the diamond and kind of, she mutters to himself, marry the diamond, and he makes that choice to end his story with her.

453
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:25.860
And there's all throughout the entire Moffat era.

454
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:41.519
There's always been this through line of the doctor will do anything to even in this story, he's, you know, he will do anything to avoid endings, and then he makes the choice himself to proactively and decisively end the story with the woman he loves.

455
00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:57.539
But then that final line is just unbelievable and it's Moffat doing what he always does, that her last night is 24 years long and that they will spend those 24 years together.

456
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:11.099
Watching this last night and leading up to that scene, I thought to myself, I'm so glad that we don't do these Christmas episodes as commentaries anymore because no one needs to hear me ugly cry and sob for the next 20 minutes.

457
00:38:11.219 --> 00:38:14.219
That ending always destroys me.

458
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.139
It is so, it is so beautiful.

459
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:21.360
It's from like the scene earlier with her thinking she doesn't love him.

460
00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:23.099
That gets me.

461
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.099
But what was it last night?

462
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:32.579
I think it was it was from, it was from the moment where she's saying, you know, you always change things.

463
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:39.000
You can always, and he, and he's playing it like, no, no, tomorrow morning, you're off to the library.

464
00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:42.659
And that's a recurrent theme this season with Clara and Face the Raven.

465
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:47.460
Yes, but but it's so good because she says you always do something.

466
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.320
Tell me how I'm going to get out of this.

467
00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:54.059
And by that point, he's already scanned her with the screwdriver.

468
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.719
And I think I only properly registered that this time through.

469
00:38:57.780 --> 00:38:59.579
I've watched this over and over again.

470
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.039
But, you know, he gives it the screwdriver.

471
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.599
And we get the silence in the library music from Murray at that point.

472
00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:07.980
Clem Murray.

473
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:08.639
Yeah, yeah.

474
00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:16.079
And then he sort of waves at her like an idiot. that's him scanning her for the purposes of uploading her.

475
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.659
So he has already found a way out.

476
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.440
He clocked that.

477
00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.719
I never noticed that.

478
00:39:22.019 --> 00:39:28.260
And then, of course, he's already thought of a way of getting out of it because it's 24 years.

479
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:29.699
It's not the last night.

480
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.300
She doesn't have to go off to the library in 8 hours.

481
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.239
She's got 24 years and she's spending them with him.

482
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.820
Yep, Yep, absolutely.

483
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:53.400
And something else I love about this scene is it sort of, it repurposes a bit from Mummy on the Orient Express when Clara's trying to talk about how she feels about ending their friendship and he's like, can I talk about the stars now, please?

484
00:39:53.460 --> 00:40:00.659
And River keeps trying to talk to him about change it, change it, change it, and he's explaining how the music is made.

485
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.280
Yeah, you know.

486
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:06.900
And the difference being that, you know, she doesn't try to stop him.

487
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.159
But the thing we, I think we sometimes forget about river issues.

488
00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:13.739
She is basically human with Time Lord element.

489
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:14.940
She's not a time lord.

490
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.000
She has real feelings and real emotions.

491
00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:20.159
However, she might try to mask them to protect herself.

492
00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:27.119
And Alex Kingston plays that vulnerability so beautifully.

493
00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:31.920
And even though it would have been breaking the rules, as it were.

494
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:35.760
I do deeply regret that we never got a story with her with Jodie Whittaker.

495
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:36.659
Yeah.

496
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:41.699
I mean, I do think that this closes the loop and we can't have her back. totally.

497
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:48.000
And and then the other thing that I think is really good is that it's a story, isn't it?

498
00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:56.400
And we end with, and they all lived happily ever after. and we have river reinterpreting that for us because as a human.

499
00:40:56.460 --> 00:41:01.860
She knows that happily ever after doesn't mean forever because there's never forever.

500
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.619
You know, everything ends at some point.

501
00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:09.179
It's not something the doctor would understand, but it's something that she understands.

502
00:41:09.179 --> 00:41:16.619
And 24 years with the person you love is more than is granted to many of us, I think.

503
00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:22.260
Yeah, yeah, I've been on dates that felt like they lasted 24 years, and they weren't as beautiful and romantic.

504
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:23.159
I can tell you that.

505
00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:43.739
But it is such a beautiful bit of writing where that ending couples itself thematically a little bit with last Christmas, the doctor invokes, you know, every Christmas is last Christmas, and that for a moment, it looks like it's suggesting the doctor took kind of the wrong meaning from that in this kind of grim way.

506
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:50.460
And then and then Rivard says, you know, that has the wonderful line of, you know, happily ever after, doesn't mean forever.

507
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:51.539
It just means time.

508
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.039
Little time.

509
00:41:53.099 --> 00:41:56.099
And it's just, oh, it's gorgeous. beautifully written.

510
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.099
And again, it's a recurrent theme this season.

511
00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:01.559
Like we were saying earlier with Clara and Face the Raven.

512
00:42:01.619 --> 00:42:04.320
Clara gets the long way round, so does River.

513
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:04.980
Yeah.

514
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:05.519
Yeah.

515
00:42:32.579 --> 00:42:35.639
Well, new listener, that's all the time we have for now.

516
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.260
We'll be back for Christmas in July and the return of Dr. Mysterio.

517
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:59.519
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us on our website, flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find all our social media links, as well as links to our other podcasts, including the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire, Startling Barbara Bain, Maximum Power, and Untitled Star Trek Project.

518
00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:00.840
Now say it well drunk.

519
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:02.099
I am drunk.

520
00:43:03.780 --> 00:43:08.820
Until next time, remember that when the wind stands fair and the night is perfect.

521
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:16.019
When you least expect it, but always when you need it the most, we'll be here, saying how tiresome it all is.

522
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.719
Thank you very much for listening, and good night.

523
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:19.800
Good night.

524
00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:20.400
Good night.

525
00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:21.300
Good night.

526
00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:32.880
That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter Griffiths, Brendan Jones, and Jack Shanahan.

527
00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:35.159
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lann.

528
00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:42.840
This episode, he finds a way to fix it, was recorded on the 6th of December 2023 and released on Christmas Day.

529
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:50.820
FTE won't be back until Christmas in July next year.

530
00:43:50.940 --> 00:44:02.159
But we will be back before then in a newly bigenerated form as 500 year diary, with new people, new ideas, and new takes on the world of Doctor Who.

531
00:44:02.219 --> 00:44:06.000
We look forward to seeing you there, and have a Merry Christmas.

532
00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:35.159
Oh, I'm gonna cry now.

533
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:45.420
Like, it is the thing where I literally pre-cry, and there are a few TV things that even thinking about them will make me cry.

534
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.880
I'm not going to mention Jurassic Bark.

535
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:49.920
Yep.

536
00:44:49.920 --> 00:45:02.039
But this, like, and it was this sort of thing I hadn't seen it for ages, I knew it was coming up, like someone posted a link on Facebook or something and I followed it, and I just thought, this is kind of the best thing ever.

537
00:45:02.099 --> 00:45:03.179
He's really good.

538
00:45:03.300 --> 00:45:07.139
And writing romance is just his absolute thing.

539
00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:15.360
While I realise you will never watch Babylon 5 and don't even know what that is.

540
00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:18.480
What are you doing the Babylon 5 podcast?

541
00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:20.639
Yeah, don't even say that.

542
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:28.559
There is a character in that who basically at one point is killed and then revived.

543
00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:33.360
And because there is a prophecy surrounding him, he knows he has 20 years to live.

544
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:34.380
And that's it.

545
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.079
Well, what about what about Captain Pike?

546
00:45:37.139 --> 00:45:40.380
Well, yes, similar, similar, similar kind of thing.

547
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:48.119
And so the last episode of the series is set 20 years after everything else, and it's about him preparing for his death.

548
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:58.019
And there is a similarly... a couple of sort of bookended moments with him and his wife realising that the end is now.

549
00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:03.059
And it involves a sunset.

550
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.519
I think there are some similar shots here.

551
00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:07.440
So Douglas McKinnon may have seen it.

552
00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:10.380
Yeah, it was a bit for 90s sci-fi.

553
00:46:12.539 --> 00:46:13.980
Sorry.

554
00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:16.920
There he is.

555
00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:17.760
There he is.

556
00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.980
And it's just like, oh, gels.

557
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.320
Gels.

558
00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:27.599
I'm coming to the conclusion.

559
00:46:27.780 --> 00:46:29.219
Okay.

560
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.079
Have you seen good omens?

561
00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:33.119
I've seen the 1st 2 episodes.

562
00:46:33.179 --> 00:46:33.780
Okay.

563
00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:35.639
And it did seem, it did, yeah.

564
00:46:35.699 --> 00:46:36.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

565
00:46:36.179 --> 00:46:38.579
Someone told them to lay off the journey.

566
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:43.199
Maybe someone had just watched the Santaran stratagem and said never again.

567
00:46:43.260 --> 00:46:46.800
But he is doing it again years later.

568
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:48.480
Purple gel.

569
00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:52.679
He single-handedly ruins listen because he doesn't understand the script.

570
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:58.079
Makes me so gross. we finished?

571
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.980
He had a big Christmas that year because he did this.

572
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:10.500
He did Husbands of River Song, and he did the Sherlock Victorian special that went out not long after.

573
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:11.940
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

574
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.380
That was a Christmas special, wasn't it?

575
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.840
I thought it was a New Year's, but I got big Robbie.

576
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:17.099
I think it was New Year's special.

577
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:17.460
Yeah.

578
00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:20.820
Which we know are inferior to Christmas specialty in every way.

579
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:21.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

580
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:22.619
Thank you.

581
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:23.519
Thank you, Christian.

582
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:28.800
If you do want to cut that bit about Douglas McKinnon, I'll just say.

583
00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:33.420
So it wouldn't surprise me if Douglas McKinnon had seen the finale of Babylon 5.

584
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.460
And also, doesn't he use a lot of?

585
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:42.179
I think God wants us to say this.

586
00:47:42.179 --> 00:47:44.519
Look, as Katie Manning would say.

587
00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:51.539
I'd love to see the cut of this where it's shot like time heist.

588
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.519
Just in a deep green gel.

589
00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:57.960
Yeah, yeah.

590
00:47:58.019 --> 00:47:59.820
It shot like a pressure point.

591
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:00.659
Exactly.

592
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:02.340
Time Heist follows the Blake 7 rule.

593
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:07.019
You can shoot on the same set and pretends it's a different level as long as you change the gel.

594
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.659
Works for Wild Blue yonder.

595
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:10.260
Yeah.

596
00:48:10.260 --> 00:48:11.039
Well, that's true.

597
00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:13.500
Yes, wild green yonder in places. green on it, yeah.

598
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:14.460
God, that was good.

599
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:15.599
Wasn't it great?

600
00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:16.380
thinking about it.

601
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:17.099
Loved it.

602
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:17.519
Yes.

603
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.260
Amazing.

604
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.260
I was I did the a commentary with Joe for it.

605
00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:24.119
Yeah, this morning.

606
00:48:24.659 --> 00:48:27.719
And there's so many times already.

607
00:48:27.780 --> 00:48:28.139
Yeah.

608
00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:32.519
Yeah, no, I was trying to schedule that with Joe and he was, I was like, can we do Sunday?

609
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.039
Anytime where I don't have work the next morning.

610
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:37.019
And he's like, no, it has to go out this week.

611
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:37.800
I was like, you know what?

612
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:38.099
Fine.

613
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:38.880
It's a good episode.

614
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:44.820
I'll do it Every block of time you tried to put in, he said, no, I'm doing untitled stuff.

615
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.260
But I was watching it just going, oh, God.

616
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.179
I kind of just want to watch this.

617
00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:53.099
Yeah, so good.

618
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:54.659
It is so terrific.

619
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:55.320
Yeah.

620
00:48:55.380 --> 00:48:57.119
Yeah, they've been both good, I think.

621
00:48:57.179 --> 00:48:58.260
Yes, yes.

622
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.559
And I look, I can't see the last one dropping the ball.

623
00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:02.579
No, I can't.

624
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:04.079
Oh, neither Christmas, from what I've heard.

625
00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:04.800
Okay.

626
00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:05.579
Oh, good.

627
00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:08.940
But then again, Gemma Redgrave's back, so...

628
00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:10.320
I'm emoting in the corner.

629
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:12.659
Yeah, yeah.

630
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:13.320
Anyway.

631
00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:15.840
All right, well, we might finish up in that case.