WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 14:15:37 1 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:44.820 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight for Entirety, the 2 00:00:44.820 --> 00:00:47.579 only Doctor Who podcast that really does know how to snack. 3 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:49.200 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:49.259 --> 00:00:50.340 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:51.000 I'm Peter. 6 00:00:51.060 --> 00:00:52.439 And I'm Jack. 7 00:00:52.500 --> 00:00:56.640 Well, Christmas comes round again every year, but a final farewell 8 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:01.020 is something that can only ever happen once, or 2 or 3 times. 9 00:01:01.020 --> 00:01:06.120 So now it's time for River Songs last, last night in the Husbands 10 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:07.019 of River Song. 11 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:32.519 So how about that Ramon? 12 00:01:33.540 --> 00:01:35.700 My God. 13 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:36.780 He's pretty. 14 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:37.920 He is pretty. 15 00:01:37.980 --> 00:01:42.719 So he is in the survivors that stars. 16 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:43.980 That's him. 17 00:01:43.980 --> 00:01:44.640 Raveo. 18 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:46.319 Did not know where he was from. 19 00:01:46.379 --> 00:01:46.680 Yeah. 20 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:47.579 I knew him. 21 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:48.780 Oh, yes, okay. 22 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:50.400 Yeah, he was attractive in survivors. 23 00:01:50.459 --> 00:01:51.060 He was really great. 24 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:54.420 I remember his one line when he talked about what he most missed 25 00:01:54.420 --> 00:02:00.359 about the before time was his laptop, and I kind of thought, that's 26 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:02.280 exactly what I would say as well. 27 00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:04.379 Laptops, how can we podcast? 28 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:05.400 Exactly. 29 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:14.879 This is a really kind of funny episode in that the bulk of it is 30 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:18.419 overshadowed by the last 10 minutes. 31 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:26.280 And I'm going to call on us to do something formally complicated 32 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:30.240 which is we're not going to talk about the last 10 minutes until 33 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:30.960 the very end. 34 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:31.860 How about that? 35 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:35.639 No, I think it's easier to do that because as you say, it is such 36 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:39.060 a marked shift when it happens. 37 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:40.259 So yeah, I can do that. 38 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:43.740 The one thing I am going to say is that I recently saw the last 10 39 00:02:43.740 --> 00:02:47.219 minutes on YouTube, and I think I sort of pre-cried before 40 00:02:47.219 --> 00:02:49.199 pressing the play button. 41 00:02:49.259 --> 00:02:54.479 But then when I think back on it, I always kind of find it hard to 42 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:59.219 remember what actually happened in the 45 minutes leading up to 43 00:02:59.219 --> 00:02:59.400 it. 44 00:02:59.460 --> 00:03:01.020 Turns out quite a lot. 45 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:01.379 Yeah. 46 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:02.939 A few jokes. 47 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:04.500 Some action? 48 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:06.060 Recycled set? 49 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:07.560 A bit of romantic comedy. 50 00:03:07.620 --> 00:03:08.699 Yep, yep. 51 00:03:08.819 --> 00:03:10.860 I mean, Moffat. 52 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:15.539 This is this is really what he's done the 2nd year in a row with 53 00:03:15.539 --> 00:03:19.979 Capaldi, which is that we've had a sort of fairly bleak season 54 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:24.960 finale and then followed it up just a couple of weeks later with 55 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:26.759 some fun. 56 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:30.840 And last Christmas was really very great and properly scary and 57 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.379 stuff, but was also just fun and warm and solved many of the 58 00:03:34.379 --> 00:03:37.379 problems that existed at the end of series 8. 59 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:39.300 Does this do the same thing? 60 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:43.319 I think that's very right, because particularly in series 8, I 61 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.979 think there was an eagerness to capture the darkness that, you 62 00:03:46.979 --> 00:03:49.620 know, Peter Capaldi has demonstrated he can bring to the role. 63 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:51.840 And kind of everybody assumed he would bring. 64 00:03:51.900 --> 00:03:55.560 He does come from a very strong comedy background with a very high 65 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.139 pedigree and it's quite a Serbic comedy. 66 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:03.120 Um, but it's really nice to um, uh, see him do something that's 67 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.180 quite charming and sweet and romantic, which I don't think you've 68 00:04:06.180 --> 00:04:07.379 really seen from him up until this point. 69 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:15.240 Yeah, I love what Peter Capaldi's given to do in this because by 70 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:21.240 forgetting Clara, It relieves him a lot of the baggage of the last 71 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:26.759 2 series, and that's not a veiled insult at Jenna Coleman, who's 72 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:31.740 brilliant, or even at the character, because the character's 73 00:04:31.740 --> 00:04:35.160 really great as well, but it seems like Stephen Moffat has kind of 74 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:37.740 gone, well, what would the doctor be like if he hadn't met Clara? 75 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:41.699 And he's still got a bit of the irascibility, you know, the bit 76 00:04:41.699 --> 00:04:43.319 with the reindeer antlers. 77 00:04:43.379 --> 00:04:46.620 Because the TARDIS knows what's happened, so the TARDIS is trying 78 00:04:46.620 --> 00:04:47.639 to cheer him apart. 79 00:04:47.699 --> 00:04:51.060 I love the description of it as a holodramatic antlers. 80 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:52.199 Yes. 81 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.500 Maybe the Tarlist just knows he's going to be a bit horny this 82 00:04:55.500 --> 00:04:55.860 episode. 83 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:02.040 I think possibly the moment where the character of the doctor 84 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:05.519 gives into the comedy of the situation is after they've teleported 85 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.000 out and fallen down and hydroflex is in the bag yelling at them 86 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.759 and he just starts laughing and Rivers's like, it's not funny. 87 00:05:11.819 --> 00:05:13.740 And he's like, we're being threatened by a bag. 88 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:17.399 Well, he actually says I haven't laughed for a long time. 89 00:05:17.459 --> 00:05:18.600 Yeah, that's true. 90 00:05:18.660 --> 00:05:23.339 And I mean, it doesn't, doesn't, maybe it's in deep breath as 91 00:05:23.339 --> 00:05:25.560 early as deep breath where Clara tells him not to smile. 92 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.800 Because, you know, I'll tell you when to smile. 93 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:33.360 Because he's smile, he's a bit scary. has the line where he says 94 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:34.139 don't look in the mirror. 95 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:34.860 It's fury. 96 00:05:35.699 --> 00:05:42.060 So that is a fun thing to see, but he still gets to be irascible 97 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:43.139 but in a more comedy way. 98 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:44.459 Like, I think we get it right. 99 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.740 I think Carol singers will be criticised. 100 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:48.000 Criticised. absolutely. 101 00:05:48.060 --> 00:05:49.139 Absolutely. 102 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:50.519 Very warm irascibility. 103 00:05:50.579 --> 00:05:51.000 Yeah. 104 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:51.959 Poor Carol. 105 00:05:54.899 --> 00:06:00.120 Even that really early moment where he just sort of half turns to 106 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:04.259 Matt Lucas and says, do you still really think I'm a surgeon? 107 00:06:05.100 --> 00:06:06.660 So great. 108 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:09.540 No, but doesn't he say, this might be an alarming question. 109 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:11.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 110 00:06:11.220 --> 00:06:12.540 Don't make puddles. 111 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:13.199 Dont make puddle. 112 00:06:13.259 --> 00:06:14.220 You might need a mop. 113 00:06:14.819 --> 00:06:18.899 Because Moffatt is at hard a sitcom rider. 114 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:23.100 And even when he's doing Doctor Who, it's most serious, you know 115 00:06:23.100 --> 00:06:26.819 the characters that he creates are sitcom characters who behave in 116 00:06:26.819 --> 00:06:29.819 predictable ways, they're well characterised, we know how they're 117 00:06:29.819 --> 00:06:32.699 going to respond to things and that's part of the fun and 118 00:06:32.699 --> 00:06:35.579 subverting that or playing with that or reinforcing it is what he 119 00:06:35.579 --> 00:06:35.699 does. 120 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:37.860 And 2 of the principal roles here. 121 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:42.240 You have Matt Lucas, a comedian, and Greg Davies, a comedian. 122 00:06:42.300 --> 00:06:47.100 You know, but Matt Lucas playing it a little bit for laughs, but 123 00:06:47.100 --> 00:06:48.839 not, it's kind of weird. 124 00:06:48.899 --> 00:06:50.939 You know, he's not winking at the audience. 125 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:52.379 This character is just a bit silly. 126 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:58.319 And Greg Davies is sort of, you know, from the Graham Crowden 127 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.560 school of villainy, that I have no problem with that whatsoever. 128 00:07:01.620 --> 00:07:02.339 Yeah. 129 00:07:02.339 --> 00:07:03.180 Yeah. 130 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:04.800 No, he's perfect at Christmas, I think. 131 00:07:04.860 --> 00:07:10.259 And I also think too, there was a time where people said we're 132 00:07:10.259 --> 00:07:13.439 really kind of out of ideas as far as Christmas is concerned. 133 00:07:13.500 --> 00:07:16.319 And I think that this gets it completely right. 134 00:07:16.379 --> 00:07:19.379 It's literally on the planet Zog, isn't it? 135 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:24.540 Like it's, you know, 2 name kind of vaguely Latinate planet in the 136 00:07:24.540 --> 00:07:27.420 54th century or something Christmas day. 137 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:29.939 Like we just literally don't care where it is. 138 00:07:30.180 --> 00:07:34.500 And, and, you know, we have sort of Christmas decorations and 139 00:07:34.500 --> 00:07:38.339 stuff and we have the spaceship that looks like a Christmas bauble 140 00:07:38.339 --> 00:07:41.279 and we have snow and stuff and I think that's kind of all you 141 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:41.519 need. 142 00:07:41.579 --> 00:07:45.540 I think the only person from the actual planet, which all we know 143 00:07:45.540 --> 00:07:48.540 is in the future and it's a human colony. 144 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:52.500 We just get the surgeon who turns up and then we never see him 145 00:07:52.500 --> 00:07:52.740 again. 146 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.579 I think that's the only person on the planet we see. other than 147 00:07:56.579 --> 00:07:57.300 Matt Lucas. 148 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:58.379 Yeah, yeah. 149 00:07:58.439 --> 00:07:59.879 We literally don't care, do we? 150 00:07:59.939 --> 00:08:02.639 No, no, actually, I was one of those people who was complaining 151 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.459 that every 13th episode of Doctor Who was about Christmas. 152 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.480 But around about the time of the snowmen, I think Stephen got it 153 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.259 right where Doctor 2 stopped doing Christmas on Christmas Day and 154 00:08:13.259 --> 00:08:15.420 just did a Christmassy feeling. 155 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.779 Obviously, last Christmas accepted because that had actual Santa 156 00:08:18.779 --> 00:08:19.620 Claus in it. 157 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:23.579 But the snowman and this, they feel right for Christmas without 158 00:08:23.579 --> 00:08:24.360 being about Christmas. 159 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:28.019 Yeah, I guess the snowman has the advantage of being sort of set 160 00:08:28.019 --> 00:08:31.920 in Victorian times where most of our Christmas iconography comes 161 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:33.240 from... 162 00:08:33.299 --> 00:08:35.519 Yeah, here we're in the 54th century. 163 00:08:35.580 --> 00:08:37.620 That seems less Christmassy on the face of it. 164 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:40.379 But it's just sort of terrific that it happens. 165 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:46.679 I'm really, you know, we're releasing this on Christmas Day and 166 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.039 the Christmas special is back and I'm really happy about that. 167 00:08:50.100 --> 00:08:51.659 I think it is a great thing. 168 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.899 And it makes Doctor Who big, I think. 169 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.799 Jack, how old were you when you saw this? 170 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:11.460 Ooh, we're coming out with the big questions, are we? 171 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.860 You can fudge it a little if you want. 172 00:09:14.100 --> 00:09:18.240 I was in university if that makes people feel a little better. 173 00:09:18.299 --> 00:09:18.840 Okay, fine. 174 00:09:18.899 --> 00:09:22.860 I was just wondering how, you know, kids, like the teenagers would 175 00:09:22.860 --> 00:09:25.379 have responded to something, which is essentially a love story. 176 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:26.519 It's a romance. 177 00:09:26.580 --> 00:09:30.000 And in its early segments, it's a screwball romance. 178 00:09:30.059 --> 00:09:34.200 But as with all screwball comedies, the romance is at the heart of 179 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:35.879 it and that's sort of what gives way. 180 00:09:36.059 --> 00:09:37.980 I remember really enjoying it. 181 00:09:37.980 --> 00:09:43.860 I think I was in my 2nd year of uni and I really love series 9. 182 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.860 I love the darkness in it, particularly at the end of it. 183 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:49.440 I loved Heavensend and Hellbent as well. 184 00:09:49.500 --> 00:09:52.500 And I remember finding it a really wonderful reprieve. 185 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:57.179 I think for me, um, I, I, been enjoying Stephen Moffat in this 186 00:09:57.179 --> 00:10:01.860 very serious big thesis statement register where he's coming up 187 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:05.460 with these very big statements about what the show is and what the 188 00:10:05.460 --> 00:10:06.840 show can be and what it could be. 189 00:10:06.899 --> 00:10:11.279 And it's really quite nice to see him kind of, not retreat 190 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.220 entirely into his comfort zone, but he's in a much more familiar 191 00:10:14.220 --> 00:10:18.899 register of like, it's essentially a series of romantically linked 192 00:10:18.899 --> 00:10:19.440 sketches. 193 00:10:19.500 --> 00:10:22.139 It's a lot of farcical scenarios. 194 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.100 They barter the head of a dead king to his own servants. 195 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:30.419 The whole premise of the multiple husbands is kind of very space 196 00:10:30.419 --> 00:10:31.559 sitcoming as well. 197 00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:33.899 Don't forget the falling through the floor. 198 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:35.159 Falling through the floor. 199 00:10:35.220 --> 00:10:38.519 It's all very frothy and very silly and very witty, and there are 200 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:41.159 lots of little clever jokes throughout it, and it is very much 201 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:45.179 guided by that romantic chemistry that Alex Kingston, Peter 202 00:10:45.179 --> 00:10:45.840 Capaldi have. 203 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:49.500 I remember finding it really nice to see the show embrace that 204 00:10:49.500 --> 00:10:53.879 because up until this point, there had been this kind of anti 205 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:58.259 romantic streak in the doctor, like overcompensating for the David 206 00:10:58.259 --> 00:10:59.639 Tennant and Matt Smith year. 207 00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:03.059 So it was quite nice to see him in this much cosier, cuter 208 00:11:03.059 --> 00:11:03.539 register. 209 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.720 I think wasn't there that quote that Stephen Moffatt emails 210 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:10.379 Russell T. Davis saying he'd got Alex Kingston and Peter Capaldi 211 00:11:10.379 --> 00:11:13.500 for a special and he said, oh, think of it, the sex storm that's 212 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:13.740 coming. 213 00:11:15.419 --> 00:11:17.399 Good advice always. 214 00:11:17.460 --> 00:11:19.379 It is really wonderful, isn't it? 215 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:22.379 We'll get there, but they never actually kiss, but the romance 216 00:11:22.379 --> 00:11:25.799 stuff is really good, and it's actually the one really sort of 217 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:27.419 heartbreaking thing. 218 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:29.220 We still not talking about the last 10 minutes. 219 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:33.899 Because what we get here is something that we never get to see, and 220 00:11:33.899 --> 00:11:39.059 it's a very strange depiction of what rivers, life is like 221 00:11:39.059 --> 00:11:40.679 because... 222 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:43.980 So we learn here that she's 200 years old. 223 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:53.460 We know that we go straight from here to the story that she tells 224 00:11:53.460 --> 00:11:58.139 the 10th doctor when she's sort of chained herself to the wall or 225 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:01.440 whatever in silence in the library in Forest of the Dead. 226 00:12:01.500 --> 00:12:05.820 So we know it's it's the end coming. 227 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:10.200 And what doesn't seem to have happened is that the doctor doesn't 228 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:17.039 seem to have made her better. that when the doctor's not there, her 229 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:21.779 life is sort of weird and kind of a bit bad, you know, she's 230 00:12:21.779 --> 00:12:24.899 marrying people in order to get diamonds off them. 231 00:12:25.019 --> 00:12:29.399 She, you know, hires a surgeon to sort of scoop all the brains out 232 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.259 of Greg Davies head and stuff. 233 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.720 Like, it does seem strange. 234 00:12:33.779 --> 00:12:34.980 Yeah. 235 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:36.000 Yeah. 236 00:12:36.059 --> 00:12:40.860 I really like this depiction because we got hints of it in the 237 00:12:40.860 --> 00:12:43.799 Matt Smith era if Matt Smith was in the other room. 238 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.240 You know, she, that's when, you know, she makes a Dalek beg for 239 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.899 mercy or shoots all the silence and says to Rory, don't tell him 240 00:12:51.899 --> 00:12:52.860 indoors, basically. 241 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:53.879 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 242 00:12:53.940 --> 00:12:59.639 And just the sort of anguished look on Peter Capaldi's face when 243 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:01.080 she's going through all this. 244 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:04.980 And I think it's then a bit of a strange choice where, you know 245 00:13:04.980 --> 00:13:07.500 she originally explains she's getting the diamond because it was 246 00:13:07.500 --> 00:13:09.720 stolen from other people and she's going to return it, but then 247 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:11.100 she's just going to sell it. 248 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:15.299 And I think I think maybe we needed another twist there where 249 00:13:15.299 --> 00:13:18.179 she's like, and then I'll give the money to the people. 250 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:19.860 What do they need a diamond for? 251 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:20.399 you know. 252 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.840 But that being said, I think the uncomfortableness is kind of a 253 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:26.940 bit more true to the character. 254 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:27.840 Yeah. 255 00:13:27.899 --> 00:13:30.059 Because, you know, she is a trained assassin. 256 00:13:30.419 --> 00:13:35.639 And I think it's the game that the episode is playing in the 1st 257 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.000 half because it, the 1st half of the, well, most of the episode is 258 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.299 built on the idea that we're seeing the bits of Rivers life that 259 00:13:42.299 --> 00:13:44.700 the doctor doesn't see because she doesn't know he's there. 260 00:13:44.940 --> 00:13:51.179 And it kind of posits this idea that that river song has secretly 261 00:13:51.179 --> 00:13:53.340 been stringing the doctor along the entire time. 262 00:13:54.779 --> 00:13:58.500 And like, you know, she says, you know, there's the joke about him 263 00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:02.759 being damsel, because he needs a lot of rescuing. when there's 264 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:06.600 that bit a little bit later where she says he's nobody special but 265 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:08.519 terribly useful every once in a while. 266 00:14:08.580 --> 00:14:14.639 And it does feel, in some way, a kind of response to a line of 267 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.100 criticism to the character of her song, which is that her life is 268 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:21.720 entirely built around the doctor and she's entirely codependent 269 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.960 and he is the centre of her life. 270 00:14:25.019 --> 00:14:28.019 And this kind of flips that a little bit to be like, no, actually 271 00:14:28.019 --> 00:14:28.799 he's the help. 272 00:14:28.860 --> 00:14:32.159 He, you know, he helps me do the things I want to do. 273 00:14:32.220 --> 00:14:36.179 And he kind of gets away thinking, oh, she's a lovely, kind 274 00:14:36.179 --> 00:14:36.960 beautiful person. 275 00:14:37.019 --> 00:14:41.220 I love the idea that she is constantly sneaking into the Tartars 276 00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:42.779 taking it away. 277 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:43.200 Oh, yeah. 278 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:44.039 Just dropping it back. 279 00:14:44.100 --> 00:14:46.740 And the doctor never finds out about it. 280 00:14:46.860 --> 00:14:49.919 And even that thing where the doctor says, well, what if he found 281 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:51.840 out about it now, you know? 282 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:57.720 And that also gives us the opportunity to do that incredible thing 283 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:03.000 where he goes in there and properly does the bigger on the inside 284 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:07.139 of the outside speech, how he thinks it should always be done. 285 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:08.700 And that was so good. 286 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:10.620 Finally, it's my turn. 287 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:11.519 Yeah, yeah. 288 00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:15.419 Well, it's, you know, like everyone is aware that everyone writing 289 00:15:15.419 --> 00:15:19.440 the companion's 1st scene in the TARDIS has to do it and has to 290 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:20.700 find a way of doing it. 291 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.120 And, you know, you have Donna who sees the inside of the Tartars 292 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:28.679 1st and comments on how small it is outside and you have Martha 293 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.799 saying it's made of wood and you have that wonderful scene with 294 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:32.220 Rose. 295 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:34.320 Like there are so many ways of doing it, but it's a thing that you 296 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:34.799 have to do. 297 00:15:34.860 --> 00:15:38.820 And so having the doctor know that rule as well. 298 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.539 And actually, it makes up the fact that River, to my knowledge, has 299 00:15:42.539 --> 00:15:43.320 never had that scene. 300 00:15:43.379 --> 00:15:44.519 We've never seen that. 301 00:15:45.419 --> 00:15:48.659 And also, it's that twist on the companion thing that the new 302 00:15:48.659 --> 00:15:51.539 series does where travelling with the doctor makes you a better 303 00:15:51.539 --> 00:15:52.379 person. 304 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:56.100 It makes River a better person when she's with him, but is she a 305 00:15:56.100 --> 00:15:57.179 better person when she's not with him? 306 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:57.960 I really like that. 307 00:15:58.019 --> 00:15:58.679 Yeah. 308 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.580 And the one thing I will quickly say on that joke is that it is 309 00:16:02.580 --> 00:16:05.580 one of those scenes and one of those jokes that you think, how has 310 00:16:05.580 --> 00:16:06.600 this never been done before? 311 00:16:06.659 --> 00:16:07.740 It's such a fun idea. 312 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.159 But the great button on it is that he does his grandstanding and 313 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.559 he does his little speech and then River pulls open a panel that 314 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:17.700 reveals a whole cabinet of alcohol that he's never seen before. 315 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.899 Or the button, he says you might want to press that button and she 316 00:16:21.899 --> 00:16:23.580 says it clears the weight tank. 317 00:16:23.580 --> 00:16:24.840 Oh, on deck seven. 318 00:16:24.899 --> 00:16:25.259 Yeah. 319 00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:25.500 Yeah. 320 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.500 Yeah, and he's like, best to avoid decks. 321 00:16:28.620 --> 00:16:30.360 Does he know anyway? 322 00:16:30.419 --> 00:16:31.259 He leaves the brakes on. 323 00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:33.720 So good. 324 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:38.220 I think my favourite line in that speech from Capaldi, and I'm not 325 00:16:38.220 --> 00:16:40.980 going to get it verbatim, but it's like, the laws of Euclidean 326 00:16:40.980 --> 00:16:44.340 geometry have been scribbled on, torn up, and then snogged to 327 00:16:44.340 --> 00:16:44.580 death. 328 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:48.539 He's been practising it in the mirror. 329 00:17:03.779 --> 00:17:08.579 That bit where River is saying, like, she's just using the doctor 330 00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:12.480 the big finish audios kind of play with that, and she'd started 331 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:13.740 making them already at this point. 332 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:18.119 Alex Kingston thought after, um, name of the doctor. 333 00:17:18.180 --> 00:17:19.259 She's like, well, that's it. 334 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:23.160 Like, I've done death, I've done post-death, not going to invite 335 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:23.759 me back again. 336 00:17:23.819 --> 00:17:25.980 So she started making these with Big Finish. 337 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.039 And one of the recurring themes in the big finish plays is people 338 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:33.480 trying to get at the doctor and her convincing them he's not as 339 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:36.180 important as they think he is. 340 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:36.660 Right. 341 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:41.039 And, you know, it all culminates in that beautiful speech she 342 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:44.640 gives about, you know, you don't expect the stars themselves to 343 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:45.119 love your back. 344 00:17:45.180 --> 00:17:46.859 It's so good, isn't it? 345 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:47.819 Because... 346 00:17:47.819 --> 00:17:52.559 And because she's starting to say the thing. because it's a sitcom 347 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.339 and because it relies on her having insufficient information. 348 00:17:56.940 --> 00:18:01.200 And so she's saying all this stuff about there's no way he is 349 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:06.000 stupid or sentimental enough to be here right now just because I 350 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.079 need rescuing. 351 00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:10.920 And it becomes clear that all that stuff that she said about the 352 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.460 doctor and why the doctor's not important and how the doctors are 353 00:18:14.460 --> 00:18:19.259 occasionally useful is all defensive because she thinks that the 354 00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:21.000 doctor doesn't really love her. 355 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:22.799 And she's wrong about it. 356 00:18:22.859 --> 00:18:23.519 She's wrong. 357 00:18:23.579 --> 00:18:26.339 Yeah, it's written all over Peter Capaldi's face. 358 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:26.940 It's quite beautiful. 359 00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:32.160 I feel like it's the kind of performance. 360 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:37.259 That as good as Matt Smith is, he could never give that kind of 361 00:18:37.259 --> 00:18:41.460 performance simply because of age and personal lived experience. 362 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:46.259 And, you know, Peter Capaldi's doctor has that big chunky ring on 363 00:18:46.259 --> 00:18:49.799 his wedding finger because he refuses to take off his real-life 364 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:50.400 wedding ring. 365 00:18:50.460 --> 00:18:53.039 Didn't we see the close-up of it in his announcement video? 366 00:18:53.099 --> 00:18:54.240 Yes, exactly. 367 00:18:54.299 --> 00:18:58.680 You know, and so Peter Capaldi is a massive romantic and there's 368 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:02.039 that video of him being told at a convention that he's a silver 369 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.460 fox and having to ask the interviewer what a silver fox is. 370 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:08.400 And getting terribly embarrassed to say, well, I think my wife 371 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:09.119 must think so. 372 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:14.819 And he looks at her the way we all want someone to look at us. 373 00:19:15.539 --> 00:19:20.039 And it's one of the things where her relationship with Matt Smith 374 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:22.859 Rivers's relationship was always played for laughs because there 375 00:19:22.859 --> 00:19:24.000 was the age difference. 376 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:28.680 And they've shied away from giving the 12th doctor any of that 377 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.500 kind of sexual chemistry with his companions just because of the 378 00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:32.339 age difference again. 379 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.220 In fact, early on they were making some icky jokes about old man 380 00:19:35.220 --> 00:19:37.319 and how old he is, which just didn't really fly. 381 00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:40.799 But here they're able to move that on from being a screwball 382 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:43.799 comedy to being an actual romance, just because he and Alex 383 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:47.880 Kingston look age appropriate, look right together, and have that 384 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.579 level of sophistication, where they can actually play it as a 385 00:19:50.579 --> 00:19:52.200 proper romance.. 386 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.200 River has that line where she's like, hush, mummy and daddy are 387 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:59.640 talking, which, which, which, I imagine works a lot better with 388 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:01.200 Peter Capaldi than Matt Smith? 389 00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:03.839 Although that would be funny with him. 390 00:20:04.140 --> 00:20:06.539 Oh, my comedy cutaway. 391 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:07.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 392 00:20:08.460 --> 00:20:10.980 Mummy and 2nd husband at all. 393 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:16.619 So I think Ramon's only the husband just to justify the plural, I 394 00:20:16.619 --> 00:20:16.920 think. 395 00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:19.440 I think we want just more than 2 husbands if it's going to be 396 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:21.420 called husbands of River Song. 397 00:20:21.539 --> 00:20:21.720 Yes. 398 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:22.380 Yeah, yeah. 399 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:23.400 So now we have three. 400 00:20:23.460 --> 00:20:28.140 And also, you know, it's a matter of if Ramon's around, you're 401 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:29.279 going to, yeah, yeah. 402 00:20:29.339 --> 00:20:34.440 That scene where, like, he's reacting to them kissing and kind of 403 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:38.279 you know, dismissing kissing is something where there's not a sort 404 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:39.240 of lot of variety. 405 00:20:39.299 --> 00:20:40.740 You just the one thing. 406 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:42.480 That's really great. 407 00:20:42.539 --> 00:20:46.740 And he, you know, just his constant reaction to her extra 408 00:20:46.740 --> 00:20:47.579 husbands. 409 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:54.240 I guess maybe the extra husbands are, like, a kind of symbol or a 410 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:59.640 you know, an epitome of this weird different life that she leads 411 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.500 that he's completely unaware of. 412 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:06.119 Even the gag at the end before the opening credits where he says, I 413 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:07.980 think I'm going to need a bigger flow track. 414 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:12.000 Which again is super brilliant because everyone was doing flow 415 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.900 charts of how the relationship between the doctor and river 416 00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:19.079 intersects, you know, throughout the different episodes. 417 00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:21.000 But it's also a reflection of that. 418 00:21:21.059 --> 00:21:23.099 She's married to the doctor and the doctor is all different 419 00:21:23.099 --> 00:21:23.339 people. 420 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:25.259 So she's had multiple husbands. 421 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:26.519 She just, yeah. 422 00:21:26.579 --> 00:21:31.259 Yeah, I do think one of the really nice details about the husbands 423 00:21:31.259 --> 00:21:32.400 of River song in particular. 424 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:35.519 Because, you know, by this point, River song's timeline on 425 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:41.880 television alone is so complicated and so nonlinear that it is 426 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:42.660 hard to keep track of. 427 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:47.039 And the episode is constructed, it's very conscious of where this 428 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:52.079 falls in rivers, personal timeline, and it does kind of, uh 429 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:55.259 position it through a lot of very careful lines of dialogue, but 430 00:21:55.259 --> 00:21:59.039 it doesn't, it also doesn't get bogged down too much in, you know 431 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:01.980 the last time we met, we did this, we did that, uh, it does 432 00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:04.500 because you were in Manhattan, you're about to go here, and it 433 00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:07.019 tips its hat to where she will be going back too. 434 00:22:07.259 --> 00:22:12.839 In fact, there's a line very, very early on when he 1st meets her 435 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:17.519 and doesn't even know who she is because she's wearing the cow and 436 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:23.220 he says new suit, new hair car, which is a quote from Forest of 437 00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:23.759 the Dead. 438 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.279 And I wondered why that came in. 439 00:22:26.339 --> 00:22:30.539 And I guess it comes in because then she gets to react to his 440 00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:34.500 actual suit when when the date happens at the end of the episode. 441 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:38.339 But it does for those of us who are watching, put it in a 442 00:22:38.339 --> 00:22:40.319 particular place straight away, I think. 443 00:22:40.380 --> 00:22:41.339 Yeah, yeah. 444 00:22:41.339 --> 00:22:45.900 I think the detail, uh, that mo, which is, it's very Stephen 445 00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:50.339 Moffat, um, but again, not to, not to jump ahead too much, but 446 00:22:50.339 --> 00:22:53.039 right at the end, uh, Alex Kingston just says, do you remember 447 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:57.299 that time there were 2 of you, which is a reference to uh, one of 448 00:22:57.299 --> 00:22:59.519 the series 6 minisodes, I think. 449 00:22:59.579 --> 00:23:00.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 450 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:02.640 Good night last night. 451 00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:03.299 Bad night. 452 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:03.779 Yeah. 453 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:05.640 Yeah, from the DVD. 454 00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:09.119 Yeah, so this is, and she alludes to it. 455 00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:12.900 I mean, the script alludes to the fact that they've occasionally 456 00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:18.539 arranged dates on durelium before, but the doctor's cancelled. 457 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.920 And, you know, Moffatt is an inveterate recycler of his own staff 458 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:27.539 and his own ideas and, you know, Sally Sparrow, for instance, is 459 00:23:27.539 --> 00:23:30.000 perhaps the most obvious example of that. 460 00:23:30.059 --> 00:23:33.839 And so he's not going to not do something because he's done it in 461 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:38.940 a DVD extra. particularly because when he does this, it's so 462 00:23:38.940 --> 00:23:39.599 amazingly good. 463 00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:40.920 Yeah. 464 00:23:55.980 --> 00:24:01.440 Is it worth talking about how, I don't know how much we want to 465 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:04.140 talk about this, how this was originally going to be Stephen 466 00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:06.359 Moffat's intended last episode? 467 00:24:06.420 --> 00:24:11.700 So we have been talking about that over the last few episodes of 468 00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:19.079 series 9 that this is him winding up the River song Arc and 469 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:24.660 actually kind of going out where he comes in because when Silence 470 00:24:24.660 --> 00:24:28.200 of the Library and Forest of the Dead go out, we know that he's 471 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:29.220 the next showrunner. 472 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:30.960 Yeah, already. 473 00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:33.480 And so that's kind of the start of his era. 474 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:36.779 And obviously it's the start of his era because we're getting that 475 00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:41.400 picture from River of what the doctor is going to be like in the 476 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:44.819 Matt Smith era and the Capoli era. 477 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:50.880 And so he is very definitely winding up something that needed to 478 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:54.779 be properly finalised and kind of closing the circle, I think. 479 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:58.140 And so this is his kind of victory round, isn't it? 480 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:01.079 You know, with heaven sent and then hell bent, you know, following 481 00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:05.579 up his triumphing day of the doctor, both in the Zygon episode and 482 00:25:05.579 --> 00:25:09.960 in the season finale, and now just coming back for a romantic 483 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.019 comedy, which is also where his career starts. 484 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:20.759 And it's also from a sort of writing and production point of view 485 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.640 Chris Chibnell has already been approached as his successor. 486 00:25:23.700 --> 00:25:28.799 So Stephen Moffat has gone, okay, Gallifre's back, and we know 487 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:29.279 where it is. 488 00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:32.099 Clara has left the show. 489 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.380 Clara has left the show. 490 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.960 We've wrapped up the river song story. 491 00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:41.460 Here is your blank palette. 492 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:42.660 Yeah. 493 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:47.400 And then, of course, he has dinner with Chris Chibnall. 494 00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:51.359 And so the BBC have already sounded out Chris Chibnall, and he 495 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.579 says, yes, I'd love to take over when Stephen finishes. 496 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:55.920 Didn't tell him when Stephen was finishing. 497 00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:58.440 So he has dinner with Chris Gentleman says, so can you take over 498 00:25:58.440 --> 00:25:59.099 for Sirius 10? 499 00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:01.019 And Chris Chipnell says, I'm making Broadchurch season three? 500 00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:04.619 That's when everyone involved kind of goes, oh, maybe we should 501 00:26:04.619 --> 00:26:06.779 have confirmed schedules with each other. 502 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:10.619 But even without that, there was going to be a break. 503 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:15.059 Capaldi injures his knee during the Zygon 2 parter and has to go 504 00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:18.240 in for surgery, which I think puts him out of filming for 8 505 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:18.599 months. 506 00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:22.200 So there was always going to be a long gap anyway, but I think it 507 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.160 was more that it was going to be a year rather than a year and a 508 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:26.339 half . 509 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:27.180 Yeah. 510 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:31.740 I mean, this is the longest gap between episodes in New Who, is it 511 00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:31.920 not? 512 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:33.240 Up until this point. 513 00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:33.660 Yeah. 514 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.720 Yeah, 365 days between the same mysterio. 515 00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:37.259 Yeah. 516 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:42.059 Yeah, and it does affect series 10 because series 10 can't really 517 00:26:42.059 --> 00:26:43.140 do anything. 518 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:47.400 I mean, he's gotten our doll and he's got messy still to do stuff 519 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:53.700 with. and they get an arc and they get to be kind of concluded in 520 00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:55.140 a sort of satisfactory way. 521 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:55.859 So there's that. 522 00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:00.660 But in a way, I think there's something interesting coming up 523 00:27:00.660 --> 00:27:05.220 about how Moffatt works when he doesn't have this sort of big plan 524 00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:08.220 and this massive toy box and stuff. 525 00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:12.720 And it actually, I think, probably has an interesting effect on 526 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:13.740 what he produces. 527 00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:14.579 Yeah. 528 00:27:14.579 --> 00:27:20.160 I do think it's kind of darkly humourous how many times Stephen 529 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:25.200 Moffatt tries to leave because, you know, originally he was like 530 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:29.160 I'll do 3 seasons and then, you know, day of the doctor comes 531 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.220 along and all the contractual issues and Matt Smith may be staying 532 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:33.359 for series 8 and maybe not. 533 00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:36.240 And then when Matt Smith decides to go, Moffatt's like, well, I 534 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.420 can't have someone who's like, I know how difficult it is to start 535 00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:40.019 totally fresh. 536 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:41.339 I'll stay on for one more year. 537 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.740 Oh, God, we've got Peter Capaldi. stay on. 538 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.779 And then he's going to leave with last Christmas. 539 00:27:45.779 --> 00:27:47.279 And, oh, Jenna's staying on. 540 00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:50.940 I'd better stay on rather than really a 1000000000 years over a 541 00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:51.539 1000000000 years. 542 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.680 There is a venerable tradition in Doctor Who of the producer being 543 00:27:58.680 --> 00:27:59.700 persuaded to stay. 544 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:01.019 Yes. 545 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.680 I think my favourite version of that story was, I think they had 546 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:09.180 wrapped on series 10, uh, or were close to, and uh, he was like 547 00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:10.019 all right, I'm done. 548 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.819 We're finished with series 10, I'm done. 549 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.480 And I think he was at a BBC party and they go up into him and say 550 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.000 Chris doesn't want to do the Christmas special. he's like, what do 551 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:19.440 you mean he doesn't want to do the Christmas special? 552 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.500 And then he's like, all right, give me 2 more glasses of red wine 553 00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:24.299 and I'll convince Peter to stay on too. 554 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:41.519 Let's talk a little bit about the ship, which is called, I think 555 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.420 Harmony and Redemption. and the villains that we have. 556 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:50.640 So the villains are called 3 random nouns that don't seem to have 557 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:51.960 anything to do with anything. 558 00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:54.960 The shoal of the Winter Harmony. 559 00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:56.759 There's 2 definite articles in there. 560 00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:58.740 Okay, it's not the harmony of the Winter Shoal. 561 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.140 No, I'm pretty sure it's the shoal of the winter harmony. 562 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:02.339 Impossible to tell. 563 00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:04.740 They do come back, actually. 564 00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:05.759 Immediately. 565 00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:06.480 Yeah. 566 00:29:06.539 --> 00:29:06.839 Yeah. 567 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.880 Yeah. and and then never again. 568 00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:11.940 Like, I thought they were setting up a Chris Gibnall thing. 569 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:13.019 Right, right. 570 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.980 You know, but no, I think I think Moffatt learns with the 571 00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:19.799 spoonheads that you can do CG with people's heads. 572 00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:21.720 Yeah, that's what they remind me of. 573 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.079 And you could do weird head stuff. 574 00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:28.259 And that moment where the guy reaches into his own head. 575 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.140 So the guy who comes up to her scratch. 576 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:31.980 So gooey. 577 00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.640 Yeah, everything is gooey and then the thing that he pulls out is 578 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:42.059 really gooey and so River has to put a napkin under it in order to 579 00:29:42.059 --> 00:29:42.420 take it. 580 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.660 And Capaldi's going, I wouldn't do that in a restaurant. 581 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.799 I don't know what that means. 582 00:29:46.859 --> 00:29:48.240 Does he mean that he... 583 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.200 It's unhygienic. 584 00:29:49.259 --> 00:29:51.599 Oh, I thought it might mean someone thinks there's raw meat 585 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:52.259 somewhere. 586 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.400 If there wasn't before, there is no. 587 00:29:57.180 --> 00:29:59.339 It's great. 588 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.740 That guy does that stupid voice, though. 589 00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:02.819 Yeah. 590 00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:04.019 I think he's got scratch? 591 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.700 He's called scratch. 592 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:06.240 Yeah, yeah. 593 00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:12.720 And he's got a really sort of weird and definite look, but as you 594 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:17.339 alluded to before, Brendan, it is Mancini's restaurant, isn't it? 595 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.140 From Deep Bread. 596 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:19.619 Yes. 597 00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:22.500 And we have the moment where we look around and discover that 598 00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:25.380 they're all scratch, you know. 599 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:30.960 So he is, as we said before, recycling his own ideas a little 600 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:31.259 bit. 601 00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.380 But of course, he's not the best villain in the scene. 602 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.559 The best villain in the scene is the splendidly camp concierge. 603 00:30:37.619 --> 00:30:38.400 Hemmy. 604 00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:39.299 Oh, Fleming. 605 00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:40.440 Fleming. 606 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:40.980 Fleming. 607 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:41.880 Yeah, Fleming. 608 00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:42.839 He is amazing. 609 00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:43.980 That dialogue. 610 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:49.680 There's something because it's not just that she wants to murder 611 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.759 Hydro flags. 612 00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:53.819 It's also that she seems to be sort of hanging around with the 613 00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:57.180 most evil people in existence. 614 00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:01.140 And I think one of the reasons they're evil is just for plot 615 00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:04.200 reasons, so we don't have to save them at the end. 616 00:31:04.259 --> 00:31:08.039 You know, so we're quite happy with them crashing on Derelium and 617 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.380 everyone's dead and we don't have to kind of worry about that. 618 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:14.160 So I think there's a very simple sort of say Wadi and we don't 619 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.940 need them anymore, but we give a moral reason for kind of killing 620 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:18.119 them. 621 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:21.359 Yeah, I think the doctor actually says he has a line at the end 622 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.519 where he's like, oh, and I think if anybody on board that ship 623 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:24.900 probably wasn't worth saving anyway. 624 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:26.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 625 00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:27.900 He says it to Alphonse at the end. 626 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:29.880 But he also says it to River. 627 00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:33.180 He says there's not one person on the ship who is worth you and 628 00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:34.559 she says the same thing to him. 629 00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:39.059 But, you know, these are very evil people. 630 00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:43.380 And the way that Fleming is described as evil is sort of sort of 631 00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:47.400 weirdly racist in a way, because it's to do with the way that, you 632 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.140 know, his species reproduces. 633 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:52.619 It's that just tremendous, you know, how are the twins of, very 634 00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:54.359 well, still digesting their mother. 635 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.380 It was a lovely service. 636 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:00.420 Yeah, so good. 637 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.079 Like all of that stuff is really funny and they're really sort of 638 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:05.039 gross and horrible. 639 00:32:05.099 --> 00:32:08.279 Basically, every villain this episode is just some kind of ick. 640 00:32:08.339 --> 00:32:09.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 641 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.380 And we have that dialogue, which is just ludicrously over the top 642 00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:17.339 you know, even the people who are serving the dinner have to have 643 00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:20.400 lots of confirmed slaughters, so we don't have to worry about 644 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:20.640 that. 645 00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:22.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 646 00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:23.880 It's not like platform one. 647 00:32:23.940 --> 00:32:24.660 Do you know what I mean? 648 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.180 Where all the rich come and then there are poor people who we have 649 00:32:27.180 --> 00:32:27.960 to sort of care about. 650 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.579 We hate all of them. 651 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:30.839 They're all murderers. 652 00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:33.420 They're all bad, and so we can kill them all at the end. 653 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:34.859 And that's just the nice people. 654 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:39.299 And there's that great line where River says something like, you 655 00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:42.839 know, en-suites are reserved for planet burners, do try the fish. 656 00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:47.460 So much fun. 657 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.259 Well, we all know Jim the Fish. 658 00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:51.779 That's the other thing. 659 00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.740 We do get the scene where we synchronise diaries, sort of, don't 660 00:32:55.740 --> 00:32:55.980 we? 661 00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.980 But it's it's Fleming going around just reading it out. 662 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.339 And apparently there was a film with a crash of the Byzantium. 663 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.759 Which, uh, would have been great. 664 00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:06.180 Yeah. 665 00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:07.619 I'm Angels. 666 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.740 But it is when they are in the in the dining room, and they have 667 00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:17.519 that little scene at the table where the episode begins to 668 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:23.099 signpost that the tone is slightly shifting. because you do have 669 00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:23.640 that moment. 670 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.640 And again, it's one of those Stephen Moffatt things that is like 671 00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:30.660 you know, a very pithy and beautiful in a very concise way where 672 00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:35.339 she mentions that her diary, you know, is almost out and the man 673 00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:37.619 who gave her the diary is the kind of person who knew how many 674 00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:39.059 pages you would need in a diary. 675 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:43.980 Because it does the thing that Moffat always does, which is he 676 00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:44.640 fixes it. 677 00:33:44.700 --> 00:33:48.059 We think the story is going to have a bad ending and he finds a 678 00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:48.599 way to fix it. 679 00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:53.519 And the way that he does that in the 1st story that we see River 680 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.480 Song in is by having the doctor in the future. 681 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.779 Give River the Sonic screwdriver. 682 00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:07.799 And use it to save her so that she can be uploaded to the virtual 683 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.440 reality that's at the heart of the planet. 684 00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:17.519 And, obviously, we see that moving into place gear. 685 00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:21.239 But he does more, I think, to fix it, doesn't he? 686 00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:25.320 So we get the dialogue saying that river is 200 years old. 687 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.980 So we, this isn't a life tragically cut short. 688 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:29.699 Yeah. 689 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:30.300 Yeah, yeah. 690 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:35.460 Um, and also we have had in, I think it was let's kill Hitler. 691 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.360 She makes a comment that she can make like minor alterations to 692 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:40.079 her physical appearance. 693 00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:42.480 Like, you know, I'll knock off a few years over a few decades and 694 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.039 keep people confused or something like that. 695 00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:45.480 Yeah, that's my philosophy. 696 00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:47.579 You do it so well, darling. 697 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:49.739 Yes, yes. 698 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:56.280 And I think also where the doctor starts to fix it is once he 699 00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.940 realises that river was bluffing with all that stuff about him not 700 00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:04.019 being important, there's no further judgement of her actions. 701 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.820 Because she doesn't have a TARDIS, she has to make her way in the 702 00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:09.360 universe. 703 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.880 And... 704 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:16.199 Regardless of her reasons for why she's married Hydroflex and 705 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:19.260 whatnot, he is a genocidal maniac. 706 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:20.880 But I mean, I mean, the thing. 707 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.320 There's no way to talk about Stephen Fry. 708 00:35:25.380 --> 00:35:29.219 But I think the thing is that the doctor realises that he has 709 00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:33.539 allowed River to believe that he doesn't love her. 710 00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:34.260 Yes. 711 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.980 And so it's down to him, you know. 712 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.420 So that final 10 minutes is him making up for it. 713 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.440 Isn't it? 714 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:48.539 You know, yeah, so he takes the diamond, he convinces Alphonse to 715 00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:49.380 build the restaurant. 716 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:53.219 He then tries to get a preservation. okay, well, in 4 years, he's 717 00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:54.000 like, oh, fine then. 718 00:35:54.059 --> 00:35:55.619 I'll come I'll come back. 719 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.280 It's such a splendidly moffat thing leading into that. 720 00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:02.699 We've never had the action sequence before, where the doctrine 721 00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:06.000 companion leap into the TARDIS and shut the doors on a crash 722 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.019 that's about to happen. 723 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:12.239 Feel it inside, and then move on in time to, they open the doors. 724 00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:13.019 There's nothing there. 725 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:14.280 They set something in train. 726 00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:16.320 He just like moves to lever very slightly. 727 00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:18.539 You get very slight tartis wheezing and groaning. 728 00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.360 He opens the doors again, and you're aware, you think you will 729 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:21.599 be. 730 00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:23.159 And it's really nice. 731 00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:26.400 It's really Stephen Moffati leading into a very quiet Stephen 732 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:27.239 Moffatt moment. 733 00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:31.380 It reminds me a little bit of the beginning of Hellbent, where we 734 00:36:31.380 --> 00:36:35.340 have that story where different groups of people come to the 735 00:36:35.340 --> 00:36:40.380 doctor until the doctor manages to overthrow the government. 736 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:41.699 It like a short story. 737 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.579 Like it has an absolute short story structure. 738 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:48.360 So that 10 minutes at the end is almost something separate. 739 00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:50.820 And you can imagine him just writing that. 740 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.340 But that's the final night that they have. 741 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:58.139 Oh, and I think, Brendan, you're quite right. 742 00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:01.559 Just talking about that sequence, I love the idea of the doctor 743 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.139 just giving somebody the most valuable diamond in the universe. 744 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:05.159 He just says restaurant. 745 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.760 It's a restaurant to happen. 746 00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:11.820 But I think you are right, because there's that bit where, you 747 00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:14.699 know, the Tartar goes haywires and it lands and he picks up the 748 00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:19.260 diamond and kind of, she mutters to himself, marry the diamond, and 749 00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:23.159 he makes that choice to end his story with her. 750 00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:25.860 And there's all throughout the entire Moffat era. 751 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.440 There's always been this through line of the doctor will do 752 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.440 anything to even in this story, he's, you know, he will do 753 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:36.960 anything to avoid endings, and then he makes the choice himself to 754 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:41.519 proactively and decisively end the story with the woman he loves. 755 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:49.019 But then that final line is just unbelievable and it's Moffat 756 00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:53.340 doing what he always does, that her last night is 24 years long 757 00:37:53.340 --> 00:37:57.539 and that they will spend those 24 years together. 758 00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.260 Watching this last night and leading up to that scene, I thought 759 00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:04.380 to myself, I'm so glad that we don't do these Christmas episodes 760 00:38:04.380 --> 00:38:09.000 as commentaries anymore because no one needs to hear me ugly cry 761 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.099 and sob for the next 20 minutes. 762 00:38:11.219 --> 00:38:14.219 That ending always destroys me. 763 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.139 It is so, it is so beautiful. 764 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:21.000 It's from like the scene earlier with her thinking she doesn't 765 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:21.360 love him. 766 00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:23.099 That gets me. 767 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.099 But what was it last night? 768 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:30.539 I think it was it was from, it was from the moment where she's 769 00:38:30.539 --> 00:38:32.579 saying, you know, you always change things. 770 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.380 You can always, and he, and he's playing it like, no, no, tomorrow 771 00:38:37.380 --> 00:38:39.000 morning, you're off to the library. 772 00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:42.300 And that's a recurrent theme this season with Clara and Face the 773 00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:42.659 Raven. 774 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:47.159 Yes, but but it's so good because she says you always do 775 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:47.460 something. 776 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.320 Tell me how I'm going to get out of this. 777 00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:54.059 And by that point, he's already scanned her with the screwdriver. 778 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:57.719 And I think I only properly registered that this time through. 779 00:38:57.780 --> 00:38:59.579 I've watched this over and over again. 780 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.039 But, you know, he gives it the screwdriver. 781 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.360 And we get the silence in the library music from Murray at that 782 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:06.599 point. 783 00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:07.980 Clem Murray. 784 00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:08.639 Yeah, yeah. 785 00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:13.679 And then he sort of waves at her like an idiot. that's him 786 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.079 scanning her for the purposes of uploading her. 787 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:18.659 So he has already found a way out. 788 00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.440 He clocked that. 789 00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.719 I never noticed that. 790 00:39:22.019 --> 00:39:26.880 And then, of course, he's already thought of a way of getting out 791 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.260 of it because it's 24 years. 792 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:29.699 It's not the last night. 793 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.300 She doesn't have to go off to the library in 8 hours. 794 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.239 She's got 24 years and she's spending them with him. 795 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.820 Yep, Yep, absolutely. 796 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.679 And something else I love about this scene is it sort of, it 797 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:48.239 repurposes a bit from Mummy on the Orient Express when Clara's 798 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:50.940 trying to talk about how she feels about ending their friendship 799 00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:53.400 and he's like, can I talk about the stars now, please? 800 00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:58.380 And River keeps trying to talk to him about change it, change it 801 00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:00.659 change it, and he's explaining how the music is made. 802 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.280 Yeah, you know. 803 00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:06.539 And the difference being that, you know, she doesn't try to stop 804 00:40:06.539 --> 00:40:06.900 him. 805 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.159 But the thing we, I think we sometimes forget about river issues. 806 00:40:11.219 --> 00:40:13.739 She is basically human with Time Lord element. 807 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:14.940 She's not a time lord. 808 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.000 She has real feelings and real emotions. 809 00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:20.159 However, she might try to mask them to protect herself. 810 00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:27.119 And Alex Kingston plays that vulnerability so beautifully. 811 00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:31.679 And even though it would have been breaking the rules, as it 812 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:31.920 were. 813 00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:35.159 I do deeply regret that we never got a story with her with Jodie 814 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:35.760 Whittaker. 815 00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:36.659 Yeah. 816 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.800 I mean, I do think that this closes the loop and we can't have her 817 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:41.699 back. totally. 818 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.960 And and then the other thing that I think is really good is that 819 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.000 it's a story, isn't it? 820 00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:52.739 And we end with, and they all lived happily ever after. and we 821 00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:56.400 have river reinterpreting that for us because as a human. 822 00:40:56.460 --> 00:41:00.179 She knows that happily ever after doesn't mean forever because 823 00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:01.860 there's never forever. 824 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.619 You know, everything ends at some point. 825 00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:07.679 It's not something the doctor would understand, but it's something 826 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.179 that she understands. 827 00:41:09.179 --> 00:41:14.880 And 24 years with the person you love is more than is granted to 828 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:16.619 many of us, I think. 829 00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:19.739 Yeah, yeah, I've been on dates that felt like they lasted 24 years 830 00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:22.260 and they weren't as beautiful and romantic. 831 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:23.159 I can tell you that. 832 00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:27.960 But it is such a beautiful bit of writing where that ending 833 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.039 couples itself thematically a little bit with last Christmas, the 834 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.500 doctor invokes, you know, every Christmas is last Christmas, and 835 00:41:34.500 --> 00:41:39.179 that for a moment, it looks like it's suggesting the doctor took 836 00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:43.739 kind of the wrong meaning from that in this kind of grim way. 837 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.280 And then and then Rivard says, you know, that has the wonderful 838 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.460 line of, you know, happily ever after, doesn't mean forever. 839 00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:51.539 It just means time. 840 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.039 Little time. 841 00:41:53.099 --> 00:41:56.099 And it's just, oh, it's gorgeous. beautifully written. 842 00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.099 And again, it's a recurrent theme this season. 843 00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:01.559 Like we were saying earlier with Clara and Face the Raven. 844 00:42:01.619 --> 00:42:04.320 Clara gets the long way round, so does River. 845 00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:04.980 Yeah. 846 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:05.519 Yeah. 847 00:42:32.579 --> 00:42:35.639 Well, new listener, that's all the time we have for now. 848 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.659 We'll be back for Christmas in July and the return of Dr 849 00:42:39.659 --> 00:42:40.260 Mysterio. 850 00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:44.099 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 851 00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:47.519 and you can keep up with us on our website, flightthroughentirety 852 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.519 com, where you'll find all our social media links, as well as 853 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.059 links to our other podcasts, including the 2nd great and bountiful 854 00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:58.559 Human Empire, Startling Barbara Bain, Maximum Power, and Untitled 855 00:42:58.559 --> 00:42:59.519 Star Trek Project. 856 00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:00.840 Now say it well drunk. 857 00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:02.099 I am drunk. 858 00:43:03.780 --> 00:43:08.039 Until next time, remember that when the wind stands fair and the 859 00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:08.820 night is perfect. 860 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.360 When you least expect it, but always when you need it the most 861 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:16.019 we'll be here, saying how tiresome it all is. 862 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.719 Thank you very much for listening, and good night. 863 00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:19.800 Good night. 864 00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:20.400 Good night. 865 00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:21.300 Good night. 866 00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:29.940 That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter 867 00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:32.880 Griffiths, Brendan Jones, and Jack Shanahan. 868 00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:35.159 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lann. 869 00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:39.900 This episode, he finds a way to fix it, was recorded on the 6th of 870 00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:42.840 December 2023 and released on Christmas Day. 871 00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:50.820 FTE won't be back until Christmas in July next year. 872 00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:56.400 But we will be back before then in a newly bigenerated form as 500 873 00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:01.260 year diary, with new people, new ideas, and new takes on the world 874 00:44:01.260 --> 00:44:02.159 of Doctor Who. 875 00:44:02.219 --> 00:44:06.000 We look forward to seeing you there, and have a Merry Christmas. 876 00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:35.159 Oh, I'm gonna cry now. 877 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:41.820 Like, it is the thing where I literally pre-cry, and there are a 878 00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:45.420 few TV things that even thinking about them will make me cry. 879 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.880 I'm not going to mention Jurassic Bark. 880 00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:49.920 Yep. 881 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:54.719 But this, like, and it was this sort of thing I hadn't seen it for 882 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.480 ages, I knew it was coming up, like someone posted a link on 883 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.480 Facebook or something and I followed it, and I just thought, this 884 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.039 is kind of the best thing ever. 885 00:45:02.099 --> 00:45:03.179 He's really good. 886 00:45:03.300 --> 00:45:07.139 And writing romance is just his absolute thing. 887 00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:13.980 While I realise you will never watch Babylon 5 and don't even know 888 00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:15.360 what that is. 889 00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:18.480 What are you doing the Babylon 5 podcast? 890 00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:20.639 Yeah, don't even say that. 891 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:27.659 There is a character in that who basically at one point is killed 892 00:45:27.659 --> 00:45:28.559 and then revived. 893 00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:32.519 And because there is a prophecy surrounding him, he knows he has 894 00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:33.360 20 years to live. 895 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:34.380 And that's it. 896 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.079 Well, what about what about Captain Pike? 897 00:45:37.139 --> 00:45:40.380 Well, yes, similar, similar, similar kind of thing. 898 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:43.559 And so the last episode of the series is set 20 years after 899 00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:48.119 everything else, and it's about him preparing for his death. 900 00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:53.400 And there is a similarly... a couple of sort of bookended moments 901 00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:58.019 with him and his wife realising that the end is now. 902 00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:03.059 And it involves a sunset. 903 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.519 I think there are some similar shots here. 904 00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:07.440 So Douglas McKinnon may have seen it. 905 00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:10.380 Yeah, it was a bit for 90s sci-fi. 906 00:46:12.539 --> 00:46:13.980 Sorry. 907 00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:16.920 There he is. 908 00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:17.760 There he is. 909 00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.980 And it's just like, oh, gels. 910 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.320 Gels. 911 00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:27.599 I'm coming to the conclusion. 912 00:46:27.780 --> 00:46:29.219 Okay. 913 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.079 Have you seen good omens? 914 00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:33.119 I've seen the 1st 2 episodes. 915 00:46:33.179 --> 00:46:33.780 Okay. 916 00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:35.639 And it did seem, it did, yeah. 917 00:46:35.699 --> 00:46:36.179 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 918 00:46:36.179 --> 00:46:38.579 Someone told them to lay off the journey. 919 00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:42.599 Maybe someone had just watched the Santaran stratagem and said 920 00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:43.199 never again. 921 00:46:43.260 --> 00:46:46.800 But he is doing it again years later. 922 00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:48.480 Purple gel. 923 00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:52.079 He single-handedly ruins listen because he doesn't understand the 924 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:52.679 script. 925 00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:58.079 Makes me so gross. we finished? 926 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.980 He had a big Christmas that year because he did this. 927 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.340 He did Husbands of River Song, and he did the Sherlock Victorian 928 00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:10.500 special that went out not long after. 929 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:11.940 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 930 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.380 That was a Christmas special, wasn't it? 931 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.840 I thought it was a New Year's, but I got big Robbie. 932 00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:17.099 I think it was New Year's special. 933 00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:17.460 Yeah. 934 00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:20.820 Which we know are inferior to Christmas specialty in every way. 935 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:21.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 936 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:22.619 Thank you. 937 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:23.519 Thank you, Christian. 938 00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:28.559 If you do want to cut that bit about Douglas McKinnon, I'll just 939 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:28.800 say. 940 00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:32.340 So it wouldn't surprise me if Douglas McKinnon had seen the finale 941 00:47:32.340 --> 00:47:33.420 of Babylon 5. 942 00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.460 And also, doesn't he use a lot of? 943 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:42.179 I think God wants us to say this. 944 00:47:42.179 --> 00:47:44.519 Look, as Katie Manning would say. 945 00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:51.539 I'd love to see the cut of this where it's shot like time heist. 946 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.519 Just in a deep green gel. 947 00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:57.960 Yeah, yeah. 948 00:47:58.019 --> 00:47:59.820 It shot like a pressure point. 949 00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:00.659 Exactly. 950 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:02.340 Time Heist follows the Blake 7 rule. 951 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.980 You can shoot on the same set and pretends it's a different level 952 00:48:04.980 --> 00:48:07.019 as long as you change the gel. 953 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.659 Works for Wild Blue yonder. 954 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:10.260 Yeah. 955 00:48:10.260 --> 00:48:11.039 Well, that's true. 956 00:48:11.099 --> 00:48:13.500 Yes, wild green yonder in places. green on it, yeah. 957 00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:14.460 God, that was good. 958 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:15.599 Wasn't it great? 959 00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:16.380 thinking about it. 960 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:17.099 Loved it. 961 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:17.519 Yes. 962 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.260 Amazing. 963 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.260 I was I did the a commentary with Joe for it. 964 00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:24.119 Yeah, this morning. 965 00:48:24.659 --> 00:48:27.719 And there's so many times already. 966 00:48:27.780 --> 00:48:28.139 Yeah. 967 00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:31.559 Yeah, no, I was trying to schedule that with Joe and he was, I was 968 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:32.519 like, can we do Sunday? 969 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.039 Anytime where I don't have work the next morning. 970 00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:37.019 And he's like, no, it has to go out this week. 971 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:37.800 I was like, you know what? 972 00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:38.099 Fine. 973 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:38.880 It's a good episode. 974 00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:43.559 I'll do it Every block of time you tried to put in, he said, no 975 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:44.820 I'm doing untitled stuff. 976 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.260 But I was watching it just going, oh, God. 977 00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.179 I kind of just want to watch this. 978 00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:53.099 Yeah, so good. 979 00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:54.659 It is so terrific. 980 00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:55.320 Yeah. 981 00:48:55.380 --> 00:48:57.119 Yeah, they've been both good, I think. 982 00:48:57.179 --> 00:48:58.260 Yes, yes. 983 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.559 And I look, I can't see the last one dropping the ball. 984 00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:02.579 No, I can't. 985 00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:04.079 Oh, neither Christmas, from what I've heard. 986 00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:04.800 Okay. 987 00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:05.579 Oh, good. 988 00:49:05.579 --> 00:49:08.940 But then again, Gemma Redgrave's back, so... 989 00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:10.320 I'm emoting in the corner. 990 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:12.659 Yeah, yeah. 991 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:13.320 Anyway. 992 00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:15.840 All right, well, we might finish up in that case.