WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 14:15:44 1 00:00:40.500 --> 00:00:44.700 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flights for Entirety, the 2 00:00:44.700 --> 00:00:48.539 only Doctor Who podcast, which is just too stupid to be allowed to 3 00:00:48.539 --> 00:00:48.960 continue. 4 00:00:49.020 --> 00:00:50.820 And yet here we are. 5 00:00:50.939 --> 00:00:52.259 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:53.340 I'm Brendan. 7 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:54.840 I'm Peter and I'm Adam. 8 00:00:54.899 --> 00:00:59.399 Well, it's been a whole year since we last saw the doctor, or 24 9 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:01.679 years, depending on how you count these things. 10 00:01:01.740 --> 00:01:06.359 And in all that time, we've loved and lost and maybe nipped out to 11 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:09.480 the cinema to see Wanda Ventham's boy in one of those Marvel 12 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:10.680 superhero films. 13 00:01:10.980 --> 00:01:15.480 But now it's time for the doctor to come back or in other words 14 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:18.719 it's time for the return of Dr. Mysterio. 15 00:01:42.780 --> 00:01:46.200 I remember going to the cinema to see this, Brenda. 16 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:46.799 We did. 17 00:01:46.859 --> 00:01:47.760 Oh. 18 00:01:47.819 --> 00:01:52.560 So, you, me, Richard, I think maybe James. 19 00:01:52.620 --> 00:01:53.760 Calvin came. 20 00:01:53.819 --> 00:01:54.599 Calvin came. 21 00:01:54.659 --> 00:01:59.579 Rod came, and I remember that is the thing I've mentioned on the 22 00:01:59.579 --> 00:02:03.060 podcast before, sitting next to Richard in a Doctor Who screening 23 00:02:03.060 --> 00:02:04.439 in a cinema is an experience. 24 00:02:05.340 --> 00:02:10.500 Because you will have your arm grabbed very forcefully at exciting 25 00:02:10.500 --> 00:02:10.860 moment. 26 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:11.879 Oh, no, it's delightful. 27 00:02:11.939 --> 00:02:12.599 It's delightful. 28 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:15.060 And you did have to ask him to stop. 29 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.520 Yeah, I did have to say, that's your armrest. 30 00:02:17.580 --> 00:02:18.599 That's my oh. 31 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:21.780 I was going to say, did anything exciting happen in this episode 32 00:02:21.780 --> 00:02:23.280 that warranted enough? 33 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.080 Also, are you sure you're not misremembering watching 1978 34 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:29.400 Superman? 35 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:35.099 Well, 1978 Superman didn't have a five-minute section before the 36 00:02:35.099 --> 00:02:38.580 episode spoiling how they do the special effect that leads into 37 00:02:38.580 --> 00:02:39.479 the opening title. 38 00:02:39.659 --> 00:02:41.699 Sharmil film. 39 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.819 Oh, I'm pretty sure it also didn't have an erection joke. 40 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:45.479 There we go. 41 00:02:46.379 --> 00:02:48.360 Rod didn't like it. 42 00:02:48.419 --> 00:02:49.379 I seem to remember. 43 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.860 As I was leaving the flat this morning. 44 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:54.360 He said to me, which one are you doing? 45 00:02:54.419 --> 00:02:57.479 I said, the Peter Capaldi Christmas one with the superhero. 46 00:02:57.539 --> 00:02:59.340 He says, 0 yeah, the stupid one. 47 00:03:00.060 --> 00:03:02.819 It's fun, but it's really stupid. 48 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:04.259 Yeah. 49 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:05.460 I think that's fair. 50 00:03:06.300 --> 00:03:10.800 We were talking earlier, Peter and I, about how Doctor Who 51 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.099 sometimes comes in with the very new thing about 5 years too 52 00:03:14.099 --> 00:03:14.340 late. 53 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:15.900 Oh, yeah, yeah. 54 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:17.460 And this is very much that. 55 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:22.379 In fact, it seems to be completely unaware of anything that's 56 00:03:22.379 --> 00:03:24.240 going on in the Marvel cinematic universe. 57 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:25.740 Absolutely unaware. 58 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:26.400 Yeah. 59 00:03:26.460 --> 00:03:28.560 Like frightfully unaware. 60 00:03:28.620 --> 00:03:33.060 And it's so weird because the previous showrunner was a comic 61 00:03:33.060 --> 00:03:37.080 obsessive and basically did pastiches of Marvel comics all the 62 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:37.319 time. 63 00:03:37.379 --> 00:03:42.419 And Stephen Moffat is cribbing from the 1978 Superman movie. 64 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:43.620 Yeah, which is not a comic. 65 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:44.219 No. 66 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:45.360 No, no. 67 00:03:45.419 --> 00:03:48.780 And he actually says, like, I did read some of the sort of stuff 68 00:03:48.780 --> 00:03:52.919 around the publicity where Moffat talks about having been a great 69 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.879 fan of comic books, but I don't think that that can be the case. 70 00:03:56.939 --> 00:03:59.219 Or at least not for quite some time. 71 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:03.599 Yeah, he's what he thinks he remembers about comic books. 72 00:04:03.659 --> 00:04:05.819 Just like what he thinks he remembers about Doctor Who? 73 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.520 Yeah, yeah. 74 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:13.860 Well, I mean, it is, it's the 1978 Superman film, which I did go 75 00:04:13.860 --> 00:04:14.759 and see in the cinema. 76 00:04:14.819 --> 00:04:16.800 My father, my grandmother took me. 77 00:04:16.860 --> 00:04:18.600 Yeah, my dad all of an age. 78 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:24.300 Brandon, you saw it on... 79 00:04:24.300 --> 00:04:25.500 You're a foetus. 80 00:04:26.819 --> 00:04:28.379 No. 81 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:30.779 No, no, no. 82 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:31.920 No, he's got a point. 83 00:04:34.980 --> 00:04:39.660 No, no, I saw the Superman films on television. 84 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:41.100 I'm just trying to think. 85 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:46.019 I think the 1st superhero film I saw in the cinema was the 1st X 86 00:04:45.540 --> 00:04:46.199 Men film. 87 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:46.860 Oh, okay. 88 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.379 Because of course, I've been obsessed with the cartoon. 89 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:51.779 Oh, I thought you were just a Hugh Jackman. 90 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:54.300 I'd been to Sunset Boulevard. 91 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:55.019 It was amazing. 92 00:04:55.259 --> 00:04:57.720 For me it was James Marsden. 93 00:04:57.899 --> 00:04:59.939 James Mars, yeah. 94 00:05:00.420 --> 00:05:04.199 But the other thing, I think this crib's a lot from visually. 95 00:05:04.259 --> 00:05:05.819 So maybe this is Ed Bez will get. 96 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.240 Yes. is the Raimy Spider-Man films. 97 00:05:09.300 --> 00:05:10.019 Yes. 98 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:10.439 Yeah. 99 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:12.240 Yeah. some pretty obvious nods. 100 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:12.959 Yeah. 101 00:05:13.019 --> 00:05:16.139 I think there's a sort of the way that the ghost is designed as 102 00:05:16.139 --> 00:05:21.180 well is a little bit kind of Tim Burton's Batman as well and the 103 00:05:21.180 --> 00:05:22.019 voice and stuff. 104 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:25.199 So there is some more recent stuff, but Moffatt's not responsible 105 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:25.500 for that. 106 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:30.000 And Ed, do we know Ed's previous work? 107 00:05:30.060 --> 00:05:32.339 In previous work, Adam, in the vapours. 108 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:33.000 Yes. 109 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.160 The band that recorded turning Japanese. 110 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:37.500 Oh my god. 111 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:38.639 No, I did not. 112 00:05:38.699 --> 00:05:39.959 Yes. 113 00:05:40.019 --> 00:05:40.740 Yeah. 114 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:41.339 Wow. 115 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.180 So he did he did a few earlier Doctor Who's. 116 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:48.480 He did the girl who died and the woman who lived, he will go on to 117 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:52.319 do a few episodes of class, but yes, he was a member of the 118 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:56.160 vapours who had a hit with turning Japanese in 1980. 119 00:05:56.339 --> 00:05:57.779 Which was a euphemism. 120 00:05:57.839 --> 00:05:58.259 Yes. 121 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:02.160 He delivered the woman who lived and they said, I know, let's get 122 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:02.939 him back for Christmas. 123 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:04.139 Is this what you're saying? 124 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:05.160 I think so. 125 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:10.560 I mean, I have to say that I thought perhaps alone among people. 126 00:06:10.620 --> 00:06:13.920 I thought that those 2 episodes were actually pretty good, and 127 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:17.819 particularly the 1st one, and it is a kind of standard thing where 128 00:06:17.819 --> 00:06:21.360 Moffatt picks a director from the previous year and gets them to 129 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:22.980 do the Christmas special. 130 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:27.360 Most famously, I think, Saul Metstein for the snowman, right? 131 00:06:27.420 --> 00:06:32.040 And I think this is sort of reasonably, like this is kind of 132 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:37.259 reasonably well done, but the actual sort of superhero thing is 133 00:06:37.259 --> 00:06:42.420 just from that rooftop scene in Superman 1978. 134 00:06:42.660 --> 00:06:47.220 Oh, yeah. where I think it even has the thing where Lois asks 135 00:06:47.220 --> 00:06:51.480 Clark about whether he can see her underwear or something like 136 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:51.720 that. 137 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:55.740 Yeah, all of that. and they're taking off of the glasses, like the 138 00:06:55.740 --> 00:06:59.939 you know, revealing the thing and then deciding against it. 139 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.220 It's like this whole thing is lifted. 140 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:04.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, off into the sky with Lucy. 141 00:07:04.860 --> 00:07:07.560 It's the whole, you know, you've got me who's got you. 142 00:07:07.620 --> 00:07:09.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 143 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:09.360 Yeah. 144 00:07:09.420 --> 00:07:12.839 I hope this won't put you off a career in journalism. recipes are 145 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:13.860 from the helicopter. yeah. 146 00:07:14.459 --> 00:07:19.319 And like stealing from the best, it is a superbly good film 147 00:07:19.379 --> 00:07:21.480 absolutely brilliant. 148 00:07:21.540 --> 00:07:23.519 Yeah, it's Richard Donner. great director. 149 00:07:23.579 --> 00:07:25.139 We know if Russell had been in charge. 150 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:26.459 You would equipped from Superman 2. 151 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:27.300 Yes. 152 00:07:27.300 --> 00:07:29.399 He would have proved from Supergirl. 153 00:07:29.459 --> 00:07:30.899 Oh, my God. 154 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.300 The campest film ever made. 155 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:40.019 Speaking of a different iteration of Supergirl, I think that, yes 156 00:07:40.019 --> 00:07:42.660 this is showing its roots and it shows Moffat's age. 157 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:47.160 But also this was the age of the CW superhero show. 158 00:07:47.220 --> 00:07:48.060 Oh yes. 159 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.540 So this is absolutely grounded in like the Flash. 160 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.079 Yeah, on CW, which I think started a couple of years before, yeah. 161 00:07:55.139 --> 00:07:57.180 Arab, which just started a couple of years before this. 162 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:00.240 And I think there's got to be the hero grant has got to be named 163 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.819 after Grant Gustin, who it's the Flash. 164 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:03.839 Oh, okay. 165 00:08:03.899 --> 00:08:05.699 And so I think that's what I was trying. 166 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.839 The problem is, it's quite charming and quite inoffensive, but 167 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.120 doesn't really stretch for anything. 168 00:08:12.180 --> 00:08:15.180 And so it ends up not so much feeling like Doctor Who's version of 169 00:08:15.180 --> 00:08:17.759 that show, but like a fairly middling episode of one of those 170 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:18.180 shows. 171 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:19.079 Yeah, right. 172 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:19.560 Yeah. 173 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:21.600 Like Doctor Who does great pastiche. 174 00:08:21.660 --> 00:08:27.300 Like, you know, Gothic horror and, you know, comedy and slapstick 175 00:08:27.300 --> 00:08:30.779 and all that kind of stuff, but it just feels like this is not so 176 00:08:30.779 --> 00:08:35.879 much a pastiche as a, almost like a half baked parody. 177 00:08:35.940 --> 00:08:37.620 Yeah, it felt like there was a lot more. 178 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:38.700 It could have been reaching for. 179 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:41.460 Whereas most of the things that does, you know, hanging upside 180 00:08:41.460 --> 00:08:44.340 down Spider-Man, et cetera. just feels like the lowest hanging 181 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:45.120 fruits possible. 182 00:08:45.179 --> 00:08:46.919 Maybe Motha was tired. 183 00:08:46.980 --> 00:08:49.980 But also like even the direction, like that scene where it's all 184 00:08:49.980 --> 00:08:52.980 split screen and it goes like Angley's Hulk and you're like, yeah 185 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:56.460 I get that you're trying to do comic panels on the screen, but in 186 00:08:56.460 --> 00:08:57.960 the scene where everyone's just having a chat. 187 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:02.340 Like, is that the scene to break up with little weird panels? 188 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:03.299 Like it was... 189 00:09:03.299 --> 00:09:05.340 I did like the appearance of the baby in the panels. 190 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.320 Yeah, reaction shot from baby. 191 00:09:07.379 --> 00:09:10.440 But I think the baby is there just to indicate their concern about 192 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:10.919 the baby. 193 00:09:10.980 --> 00:09:13.980 Like when the subtext moves on to talking about the baby, the baby 194 00:09:13.980 --> 00:09:16.799 appears in one of the panels and stuff. did laugh at that. 195 00:09:16.860 --> 00:09:17.820 Yeah, yeah. 196 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:19.019 I mean, yes. 197 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:19.919 I think that's it. 198 00:09:19.980 --> 00:09:23.100 You know, Doctor Who crashes itself into various stories and 199 00:09:23.100 --> 00:09:25.440 various genres and stuff and that's the thing that it does. 200 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:28.559 You know, what if X but Doctor Who? 201 00:09:28.620 --> 00:09:31.379 And that's absolutely what Doctor Who is for. 202 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:34.620 And so this was kind of inevitable, but Moffatt's not the person 203 00:09:34.620 --> 00:09:39.659 to do it because unlike Russell, you know, Russell and Moffatt are 204 00:09:39.659 --> 00:09:40.620 similar ages, aren't they? 205 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:41.279 Yeah. 206 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:41.580 Yeah. 207 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.480 But I think just, I don't know, is it being gay, not having 208 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:45.840 children? 209 00:09:45.899 --> 00:09:50.399 There's something about Russell is up to date. 210 00:09:50.460 --> 00:09:53.940 He just has his finger on the zeitgeist more than, you know, the 211 00:09:53.940 --> 00:09:55.259 zeitgeist flows from him. 212 00:09:55.320 --> 00:10:00.179 He just, he is more versed in kind of the way that the modern 213 00:10:00.179 --> 00:10:00.720 world works. 214 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:03.960 So when you've got kind of social media, Russell will give you dot 215 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:04.559 and bubble. 216 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:08.639 When you're looking at Wi-Fi, Motha will give you the bell sip 217 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:09.059 syndrome. 218 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.879 Yeah, where he doesn't really quite understand why WiFi is. 219 00:10:11.940 --> 00:10:14.700 Or where, you know, we're grandmother. 220 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:15.600 Yeah exactly. 221 00:10:15.659 --> 00:10:17.279 Oh, you're going to pay money. 222 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:18.539 Do you know what I mean? 223 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:23.639 To license some song and Russell will do scissor sisters or soft 224 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.379 sell or something like that. 225 00:10:25.980 --> 00:10:28.919 And Moffat will do an Englishman in New York. you know, like just 226 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.919 the most basic thing that can possibly be imagined. 227 00:10:31.980 --> 00:10:36.299 I, yeah, it was weird because I was so hopeful when it started out 228 00:10:36.299 --> 00:10:40.200 with, you know, an actual John Byrne Superman comic. 229 00:10:40.259 --> 00:10:41.580 I was like, 0 my God, this is amazing. 230 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:42.960 Then he drew on it and I was horrified. 231 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:44.519 I think that was deliberate. 232 00:10:45.299 --> 00:10:47.820 Like, look at me ruining your childhood. 233 00:10:47.940 --> 00:10:49.320 With this show. 234 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.059 But it was that moment I was like, oh, this is exciting. 235 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:57.840 And then the doctor not understanding the whole Clark Lois Lane 236 00:10:57.840 --> 00:10:58.080 thing. 237 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:02.039 And I'm like, I feel like we just had, you know, 6 years of the 238 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:04.860 doctor being so up on pop culture. 239 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:08.220 How has it all just fallen out of his head? 240 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:14.580 It is also, I think, and it's at that point where it 1st starts 241 00:11:14.580 --> 00:11:20.039 this is a reimagining of Capaldi's doctor now that we don't have 242 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:21.299 Clara anymore. 243 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:27.419 And he is much sillier and much goofier and perhaps a little bit 244 00:11:27.419 --> 00:11:30.840 more, not in the way he acts or, you know, appears, but a little 245 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:32.039 bit more like Matt Smith. 246 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:38.159 And, you know, his response to Grant telling him everyone knows 247 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:42.779 that Clark Kent and Superman are the same person. 248 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:48.960 He goes, well, Lois Lane doesn't know and she's a reporter. which 249 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:53.940 is absolutely, you know, silly and a Matt Smith kind of thing, a 250 00:11:53.940 --> 00:11:54.659 childish thing. 251 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.059 Even where he kind of refers to himself as the main one. 252 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:58.379 You know, I'm the doctor. 253 00:11:58.440 --> 00:11:59.940 I'm the main one. 254 00:12:00.059 --> 00:12:02.759 That's very Matt Smith as well. 255 00:12:02.820 --> 00:12:06.059 And so I think we're moving away from that sort of grumpy 256 00:12:06.059 --> 00:12:10.679 unlikeable doctor just back to Moffatt's original conception of 257 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:11.759 what the doctor's going to be like. 258 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:14.820 Yeah, welcome to the best version of the Capaldi doctor because 259 00:12:14.820 --> 00:12:18.840 even though he's been great in the past and magnificent at various 260 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:19.200 times. 261 00:12:19.259 --> 00:12:21.779 This, he really catches the alchemy here. 262 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.419 I think he gets it really right and this continues in series 10. 263 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:35.220 So I have a weird history with this episode in that I had given up 264 00:12:35.220 --> 00:12:36.299 on Doctor Who. 265 00:12:36.419 --> 00:12:37.799 I was like, yeah, it's not for me anymore. 266 00:12:37.860 --> 00:12:39.179 I've outgrowing it. 267 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:40.379 This episode. 268 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.480 I think I watched sometime in January. 269 00:12:42.539 --> 00:12:43.320 Oh, wow. 270 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.620 Like, you know, I saw it on Boxing Day on the screen at a pub and 271 00:12:46.620 --> 00:12:47.460 I was like, oh, that's right. 272 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:48.120 Doctor Who's on. 273 00:12:48.179 --> 00:12:52.080 Like I was at that and probably would not have watched season 10 274 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.240 had it not become my job to watch season 10. 275 00:12:54.419 --> 00:12:54.899 Yeah. 276 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:55.980 Oh, of course. 277 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:00.720 But yeah, I was completely checked out and thought, oh, this will 278 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:01.139 be really good. 279 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.159 I'll get to go back and, you know, maybe reinvest in this show and 280 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:07.259 I still hate it. 281 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.279 But adored Capaldi. 282 00:13:11.340 --> 00:13:14.820 Like, you know, like, you know, in some of our least favourite 283 00:13:14.820 --> 00:13:16.019 Doctor 2 episodes ever. 284 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.179 The lead actor is amazing. 285 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:19.620 Yeah, time hash. 286 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:20.100 Yeah. 287 00:13:20.220 --> 00:13:24.000 Incredible. thing is, they think I'm joking. 288 00:13:24.059 --> 00:13:26.159 That's great. inscribable. 289 00:13:26.220 --> 00:13:28.980 But yeah, it's like Capaldi is just great. 290 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:33.360 Like, and you know, you've got Matt Lucas, they're trying to chew 291 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:34.620 on a bit of the scenery in the corner. 292 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:36.179 He's like, I won't be letting you have that. 293 00:13:37.139 --> 00:13:39.480 I'm gonna eat that before you get there. 294 00:13:39.779 --> 00:13:43.860 I mean, I think part of it is the presence of Matt Lucas as 295 00:13:43.860 --> 00:13:44.399 Nardol. 296 00:13:44.460 --> 00:13:48.840 It brings out a different aspect of Capaldi's doctor and it gives 297 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:51.899 him license to be freer and funnier because you've got this other 298 00:13:51.899 --> 00:13:54.120 presence in the screen who's being really big and huge. 299 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.580 And so it allows him that room to move. 300 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.940 But it's also the thing that happens when Romana comes along with 301 00:13:59.940 --> 00:14:03.720 Tom Baker because Tom Baker works because he has someone to rebel 302 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.519 against. in Romana. 303 00:14:05.580 --> 00:14:08.940 So sometimes he's this sort of austere authority figure. like in 304 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:10.379 horror fang rock or something like that. 305 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:13.980 But it's also fun to see Tom on the back foot and Tom sulking and 306 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:17.340 Tom being petty and stuff because he's got a grown-up in charge. 307 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:21.899 And you kind of have that a little bit with Nadol, like, and 308 00:14:21.899 --> 00:14:24.120 particularly going forward into series 10. 309 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:27.960 And so the doctor has someone to be kind of silly and reaction 310 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:28.259 to. 311 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:29.340 And I think it works really well. 312 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:33.840 I also think like Nadol is literally the weirdest companion that 313 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:34.799 the show has ever had. 314 00:14:34.860 --> 00:14:36.000 It was a head. 315 00:14:36.059 --> 00:14:37.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 316 00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:39.720 So we don't see him arrive. 317 00:14:39.779 --> 00:14:42.659 Like we saw him last episode a year ago. 318 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:47.039 Yeah, in the Husbands of River Song. 319 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:47.759 As ahead. 320 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:49.500 With Ramon. 321 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:51.899 Also ahead. 322 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.379 And I put those 2 things together in my head as well. 323 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:57.779 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 324 00:14:57.840 --> 00:14:58.259 Oh, yeah. 325 00:14:58.500 --> 00:15:01.080 So we never see him arrive. 326 00:15:01.139 --> 00:15:06.960 He's sort of not really around in the 1st half of the season. 327 00:15:07.019 --> 00:15:10.259 He sort of comes in a little bit and then they gradually sort of 328 00:15:10.259 --> 00:15:10.799 bring him in. 329 00:15:10.860 --> 00:15:14.159 But he doesn't fit in the sort of list of the doctor's companions 330 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:19.679 alongside Harry or Leila. like Nadol, you know, like... 331 00:15:19.740 --> 00:15:20.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 332 00:15:20.700 --> 00:15:24.720 Yeah, it's very strange and it is kind of Moffatt's way of kind of 333 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.860 deconstructing the shape of the program or something like that. 334 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:30.360 He's kind of canine. 335 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:31.740 He's kind of a pet. 336 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.759 Like, it's like weirdly competent, you know, thing. 337 00:15:35.820 --> 00:15:37.259 Yeah, the tin dog. 338 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:38.039 Yeah, yeah. 339 00:15:38.100 --> 00:15:41.700 But also, part of that is because for the way that they shot it 340 00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:44.820 because they shot half of series, roughly, half of series 10 341 00:15:44.820 --> 00:15:46.139 before they shot the Christmas episode. 342 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:50.580 And so they retrofit Nadol into the Christmas episode to introduce 343 00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:52.500 him into a season that he's already been filming. 344 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:53.159 Right, okay. 345 00:15:53.220 --> 00:15:54.179 Yeah, exactly. 346 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.820 They'd shot the 1st four, possibly 5 episodes. 347 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.480 And they really loved what Matt Lucas was doing, and the very 348 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:04.139 early scripts of Dr. Mysterio have Capaldi by himself. 349 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.120 Oh, he's not in there at all. 350 00:16:06.179 --> 00:16:08.759 And then they write in Matt Lucas, and that's kind of why he pops 351 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:09.779 in and out of scenes. 352 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:14.100 You know, he doesn't real, like he doesn't have his own plot line 353 00:16:14.100 --> 00:16:16.440 except for like being at the press conference at the beginning 354 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:19.379 because it's kind of like, okay, we've already got the structure 355 00:16:19.379 --> 00:16:19.860 of the plot. 356 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:22.500 We need to introduce Matt Lucas without him disrupting things. 357 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.899 And of course, then you get Matt Lucas coming on set and ad 358 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:24.899 libbing. 359 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:27.960 Like, things like, ooh, elephant, complete adlid. 360 00:16:28.019 --> 00:16:28.799 That's adorable. 361 00:16:28.860 --> 00:16:30.960 Capaldi said an interview. 362 00:16:31.019 --> 00:16:32.879 He's like, I love Matt Lucas's outlips. 363 00:16:32.940 --> 00:16:36.480 The only problem is, you don't know they're coming, and he's Matt 364 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.220 Lucas, so you burst out laughing. 365 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.379 It's great. 366 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:41.460 He was never part of the story. 367 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:45.720 He's just a 3rd draft Oh my god. 368 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:47.580 Imagine if he'd had that line at some point. 369 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.500 No, I'll do this. 370 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:54.240 I'm only a 3rd draft I mean, he does need to be there in the story 371 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.659 as we have it because around about halfway through the doctor gets 372 00:16:57.659 --> 00:17:00.960 shunted off into that kind of exploring the spaceship plot. 373 00:17:01.019 --> 00:17:04.200 He's doing something that's keeping him occupied, but keeping him 374 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:05.700 away from kind of the main plot. 375 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:09.660 And so he does need someone to talk to while that's happening, I 376 00:17:09.660 --> 00:17:09.779 think. 377 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:13.619 Well, you know, I'm sure Moffatt originally had him constantly 378 00:17:13.619 --> 00:17:15.839 talking to Grant on the thing. 379 00:17:15.900 --> 00:17:19.319 Yeah, weird, absolutely. ear thing while he's in 4 different 380 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:20.160 places at once. 381 00:17:20.220 --> 00:17:22.319 Yeah, that sounds that sounds plausible. 382 00:17:22.380 --> 00:17:24.119 Isn't Grant cute? 383 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:28.619 Yes Iish. 384 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.579 Listeners, in case you were wondering in our spare time, we all 385 00:17:32.579 --> 00:17:34.859 fly around in blue rubber suits with big cheese on the front. 386 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:39.180 I'm wearing mine now That costume is terrible. 387 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:40.200 Oh, yeah. 388 00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:43.319 And the mask is just a bafflingly weird idea. 389 00:17:43.380 --> 00:17:48.299 This is how you know A, Moffat is not gay and B, not really into 390 00:17:48.299 --> 00:17:52.319 what's going on with superhero comics and superhero TV shows 391 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:57.900 because we would have had at least 3 scenes of grant with no 392 00:17:57.900 --> 00:17:59.220 clothes on whatsoever. 393 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:03.180 Like, look how muscly I am despite not wearing the suit. 394 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:04.920 Yes, which is what they do. 395 00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:06.539 It's like, I'm into the gym 400 times. 396 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:07.440 I'm showing off my apps. 397 00:18:07.500 --> 00:18:09.839 That Simpsons joke isn't a pure Adam West. 398 00:18:10.740 --> 00:18:12.240 It is. 399 00:18:12.299 --> 00:18:15.240 You need to see there's a superhero under the superhero suit. 400 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.299 Yeah, yeah, because the superhero suit is all sort of quilted and 401 00:18:18.299 --> 00:18:20.880 padded and stuff, so there's no muscles. 402 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:25.079 So, and then the, like, what the hell is going on with the mask? 403 00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:26.160 It's so bad. 404 00:18:26.220 --> 00:18:28.799 Well, it's because he's good looking and you've got to hide that. 405 00:18:28.859 --> 00:18:30.839 This is unrecognisable. 406 00:18:30.900 --> 00:18:33.119 But I mean, we've all... 407 00:18:33.180 --> 00:18:36.839 Haven't we lampshade at the idea of glasses and no glasses? 408 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.299 And the glasses and no glasses thing keeps coming. 409 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.599 So it doesn't look like the mask is actually necessary. 410 00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:44.400 Why is it even there? 411 00:18:44.460 --> 00:18:45.420 And it looks bad. 412 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:47.279 It's, yeah. 413 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:52.019 Method of transformation is Wonder Woman kind of spin thing. 414 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:53.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 415 00:18:53.099 --> 00:18:53.880 It's pretty gray. 416 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.940 And just even the sort of thing where, you know, like the glasses 417 00:18:56.940 --> 00:18:59.640 will just sort of land on the table in the foreground of the shot 418 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.319 as he sort of disappears and stuff. 419 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:05.279 I think it probably needed bigger casting than Justin Chatwin. 420 00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:08.579 This episode felt like it was, especially for Christmas, crying 421 00:19:08.579 --> 00:19:13.019 out for big stunt casting for both for both grant and Lucy, and 422 00:19:13.019 --> 00:19:15.240 that would have made much more of the romance as well. 423 00:19:15.299 --> 00:19:17.519 It all feels a little bit sedate. 424 00:19:17.579 --> 00:19:21.000 But having said that, I think he's quite charming, especially when 425 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.700 he's playing Grant rather than, oh, yeah. 426 00:19:23.700 --> 00:19:24.720 I want to say the Flash. 427 00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:26.940 The ghost, the ghost. 428 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:28.680 Especially playing craft. 429 00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:30.359 Like a forgettable name for a superhero. 430 00:19:31.380 --> 00:19:32.640 It's a bad name, isn't it? 431 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:34.440 Like Ghost Man would have been better. 432 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:35.279 Yeah. 433 00:19:35.339 --> 00:19:38.940 Like, I remember at the time thinking that he was going to call 434 00:19:38.940 --> 00:19:40.019 himself Doctor Mysterio. 435 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:43.200 But of course, Mysterio could have got them in trouble with Marvel 436 00:19:43.259 --> 00:19:44.640 unfortunately. 437 00:19:44.700 --> 00:19:47.880 So we know the origin of the title, Doctor Mysterio, don't we? 438 00:19:47.940 --> 00:19:48.420 Yes. 439 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:48.839 Yes. 440 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:49.259 Yes. 441 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:52.680 So in Spanish, the show is called Dr. Mysterio? 442 00:19:52.740 --> 00:19:53.400 That's right. 443 00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:57.119 And Peter Capaldi discovered that on that publicity world tour 444 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.720 that happened in, I think, 2014, they were in Mexico, actually, and 445 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.000 he discovered it was called Dr. Mysterio there. 446 00:20:03.059 --> 00:20:06.000 And according to Stephen Moffat, he's like, Capaldi just would not 447 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.220 stop saying Dr. Mysterio for 3 weeks. 448 00:20:08.339 --> 00:20:11.039 The way he 1st says it and he does that little thing. 449 00:20:11.579 --> 00:20:15.900 I'll have that, you know, like he really gets into it. 450 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.980 Again, that opening scene too, there he is with Little Grant as a 451 00:20:19.980 --> 00:20:21.779 kid, Little Grant is okay. 452 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:24.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 453 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:26.220 I mean, Moffatt's obsessed with child actors. 454 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:27.240 Yeah, yeah. 455 00:20:27.299 --> 00:20:30.359 Look, I mean, I have a theory about children in Doctor Who. 456 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:31.619 They're terrible. 457 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.380 Well, children on television, generally. 458 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:37.619 But having just made 10 episodes of Hardquick's kids, I can 459 00:20:37.619 --> 00:20:37.859 agree. 460 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.440 Oh, wow. television are horrific. 461 00:20:40.980 --> 00:20:43.079 That's 40 children. 462 00:20:46.859 --> 00:20:51.240 But again, it's that softening the doctor's character, isn't it? 463 00:20:51.299 --> 00:20:53.640 softening the doctor's character by having him with a child by 464 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.059 having him be silly by having him be Santa. 465 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:01.980 And I just watching it again last night and seeing how the doctor 466 00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:05.579 like gives him the little, you know, D-12. 467 00:21:05.579 --> 00:21:06.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 468 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:08.519 And says, take this. 469 00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:12.180 After giving him water, like it is so sort of brilliant. 470 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:13.079 Yeah, yeah. 471 00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:15.779 And unlike a lot of Moffat things where it's like, well, of course 472 00:21:15.779 --> 00:21:16.559 I meant the other thing. 473 00:21:16.619 --> 00:21:19.140 It's like, no, that is actually totally believable. 474 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:19.980 Yes, yeah. 475 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.339 And it's actually Grant who says it. you told me to take it. 476 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:24.480 And you're a doctor. 477 00:21:24.539 --> 00:21:25.500 You're an doctor. 478 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:26.700 I've got a cough. 479 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:27.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 480 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.359 It's the thing about Moth at Christmas specials. 481 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:33.299 Even the lesser entries like this and the doctor, the widow and 482 00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:36.660 the wardrobe have a cracking opening to them, which really works 483 00:21:36.660 --> 00:21:36.960 well. 484 00:21:37.019 --> 00:21:40.619 I've been thinking about the, like, kids in Doctor Who, because 485 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:43.200 Russell stays well away from them. 486 00:21:43.259 --> 00:21:43.859 Yeah. 487 00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:48.720 And I think it's because as kids, when we watched this show, there 488 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:49.740 were no kids in it. 489 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:54.000 And we were kids and it was a grown-up show, but it was a kids 490 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:56.279 show, but it felt like we were watching grown-up TV. 491 00:21:56.339 --> 00:21:59.279 But as soon as you put kids in it, it's like, oh, no, this is a 492 00:21:59.279 --> 00:21:59.700 kid's show. 493 00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:01.740 Four kids with kids in it. 494 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:04.319 I think, though, the reason that it never had kids in the classic 495 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:07.799 series was that it never engaged properly with the real world, you 496 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:10.619 know, so if it was Earth in the present day, we were on a 497 00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:14.940 scientific base, you know, do you remember when the guy, is it 498 00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:18.839 Watson calls home in hand of fear and says, say good night to the 499 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:19.319 kids for me? 500 00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:20.940 It's kind of like, oh, wait, he has children. 501 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:21.539 That's the thing. 502 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:26.819 Because Doctor Who never deals with anything domestic and real. 503 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:30.839 And when Russell comes along, he starts having like adult human 504 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:35.819 relationships, which is a new sort of thing for the show to do. 505 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:36.900 Yeah, consequences. 506 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:37.619 Yeah, yeah. 507 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.279 And then and then we get children, which I think is is doing that 508 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:42.299 a little bit further. 509 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:43.440 Yeah. 510 00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:47.700 So it's bringing Doctor Who into our world in a definite kind of 511 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:47.880 way. 512 00:22:47.940 --> 00:22:50.940 It's weird. now gone back to no kids. 513 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:52.319 Has that a year of no kids? 514 00:22:52.380 --> 00:22:55.140 Oh no, we had that terrible child in Boo. 515 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:56.400 That was a Moffat episode. 516 00:22:56.460 --> 00:22:57.299 Oh, yeah, that's great. 517 00:22:58.259 --> 00:23:01.920 There was also a practical reason because in classic Doctor, of 518 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:03.420 course, Leah was shot at night in the studio. 519 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:04.799 And they're expensive. 520 00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:07.440 Yeah, that's why I can tell you. can't have kids around for too 521 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:07.619 long. 522 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:08.579 Yeah, exactly. 523 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:09.539 You know, doing long days. 524 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:11.279 No, because they become annoying. 525 00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:18.059 Believe me, I used to work on high 5 surrounded by 400 or 5 year 526 00:23:18.059 --> 00:23:18.539 olds. 527 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:20.940 I'd never go in there. 528 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:28.619 Like, they say it's the law, but really, it's like, oh, no, get 529 00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:28.920 them out. 530 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:32.099 They've turned crazy after 6 PM. 531 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:35.940 Well, to give you an idea of what this set was like for children. 532 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.559 So we've got young Grant. 533 00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:40.920 We've got teenage grant, both of whom could only be on the set for 534 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:41.759 7 hours at a time. 535 00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:42.839 And an infant. 536 00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:45.059 You had Jennifer, little Jennifer? 537 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.400 Or infants playing Jennifer. 538 00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:48.900 Wow. 2 cents of twins. 539 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:53.039 And so sometimes if it was a short day, just one set of twins 540 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.380 would be called, if it was a longer day, both sets would be called 541 00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:56.640 at different times. 542 00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:58.140 So lots of juggling there. 543 00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:01.440 You're forgetting one five-year-old standing on the shoulders of 544 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:03.059 another five-year-old playing Nadol. 545 00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:07.380 That's how he holds his head up. 546 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.319 He was firm, but fair. 547 00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.440 I met Matt Lucas. lovely. 548 00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:18.000 Yeah, I get that impression. 549 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:35.759 I love to read between the lines of, like, what's going on in 550 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:41.759 production, and I like to imagine that at some point when Moffatt 551 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.359 was, you know, starting out, that David Williams being the 552 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.940 deranged Doctor Who fan that he is. 553 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:49.799 Yeah, upset Moffat. don't know why. 554 00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:52.380 And so he cast Matt Lucas to look at him. 555 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:52.680 Yeah. 556 00:24:52.740 --> 00:24:55.200 You can have one episode, David. 557 00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:58.680 Yeah, I'm giving him the whole tense series. 558 00:24:58.740 --> 00:24:59.460 Yes, yes. 559 00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:03.599 He is great and we do love him, but going back to what we were 560 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.240 saying about Docs who being about 5 years behind the curve. 561 00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:08.700 Matt Lucas was huge about 5 years. 562 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:10.140 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 563 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:10.619 Yeah. 564 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:13.380 Yeah, he would have been far more affordable at this point. 565 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:20.039 I do feel like another sort of superhero touchstone for these is 566 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:23.339 the 1940s Max Fleischer, Superman cartoons. 567 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:27.119 And particularly, I was thinking this morning, what is it about 568 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.160 this episode that falls a bit flat? 569 00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:33.839 And I think it's that the harmony show is villains. 570 00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:37.559 They're not really Doctor Who villains because they just ran into 571 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:39.660 the doctor incidentally last episode. 572 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:40.200 Yes. 573 00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:42.240 And they're not villains for the ghost. 574 00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:44.880 Like, he's not like, ah, yes, my old enemy's the Harmony show. 575 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:45.839 Ah, yes. 576 00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:48.180 And, you know, that's what you see a lot in the Max Fleischer 577 00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:48.660 cartoons. 578 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.660 You know, he's up against gangsters or robots. 579 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.599 He's not up against, and I don't know if these people were in 580 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.420 Superman's world at the time, but he's not up against Bizarro or 581 00:25:57.420 --> 00:26:01.859 Brainiac or needed a big sort of... 582 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.559 Yeah, and someone the ghost had fought before. 583 00:26:04.619 --> 00:26:07.980 Like, it seems like the ghost is out there repairing Ferrous 584 00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:11.279 wheels and saving people from fires, which is great and amazing 585 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.819 but it's like, that's the 1st half hour of Sam Raimi's Spider 586 00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:14.819 Man. 587 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.539 Yep, you know, and what we're there for is the fight with the 588 00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:18.960 goblin. 589 00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:19.619 Yeah. 590 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:20.279 Yeah. 591 00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:24.720 And so the harmony show have always been weird to me because they 592 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:25.980 come out of nowhere. 593 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.380 They get a cliffhanger ending here and then we never see or hear 594 00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:29.339 from them again. 595 00:26:29.339 --> 00:26:32.279 Also, the ghost hasn't gone anywhere. 596 00:26:32.339 --> 00:26:35.039 Like he still exists. technically. 597 00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:38.640 But the doctor says that he'll take over. 598 00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:43.440 The reason that the ghost has a role is because the doctor's been 599 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.180 on Derylium for 24 years. 600 00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:48.240 And because we haven't seen the doctor for a year as well. 601 00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:51.420 So there's been this gap that hasn't had the doctor, which has 602 00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:54.299 allowed the ghost sometime to sort of do things. 603 00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:57.779 And so I think we understand that the ghost problem is kind of 604 00:26:57.779 --> 00:26:58.259 solved. 605 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.559 He can't stop him from being a superhero, but he can take away the 606 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:02.880 need for there to be a superhero. 607 00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:05.519 So I think that's going to be a 14th doctor. going to be 608 00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:06.240 domestic. 609 00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:07.859 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 610 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.619 And, you know, not not to mention the other consequence of this 611 00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:13.079 doctor taking year off is Ram loses a leg. 612 00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:16.440 He gets one back. 613 00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:20.099 God, class. 614 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:22.980 Sorry. 615 00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:25.259 Still haven't finished. 616 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.880 So, I mean, the harmony shoals in a way works really well for an 617 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.059 episode like this because it's brains in jars and... 618 00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:34.319 Not a patch on the Keys of Marinas. 619 00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:36.359 It's people who love the Keys of Mariners. 620 00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:37.859 We know. 621 00:27:37.859 --> 00:27:40.500 Brains in jars are awesome. 622 00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:43.319 Why aren't they the brains from the Keys of Mariners? 623 00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:46.799 If you're going to have brains in Giles, Just go, yep, the harmony 624 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.660 show with the brains of morpho all along. 625 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.759 Oh my god, I would have loved that. 626 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.039 And then the doctor goes, I'm sorry, who? 627 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:57.420 I just love the little eyes in it as well, like that where the 628 00:27:57.420 --> 00:27:58.440 little eyes appear. 629 00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:00.720 You know, not the big eyes on socks, but the little eyes looking 630 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:01.319 out of the brain. 631 00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:02.519 I think all of that's really great. 632 00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:05.160 I think that the surgeon's advancing on people is really great. 633 00:28:05.220 --> 00:28:08.880 I think that the scar, head scar, like Moffatt's sort of 634 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.359 discovered that we can do this with computer generated things and 635 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.579 we can have the backs of people's heads off or whatever. 636 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.039 Icky, sort of... 637 00:28:17.099 --> 00:28:17.759 Yeah, yeah. 638 00:28:17.819 --> 00:28:19.559 Like, but that's proper Doctor Who should be too. 639 00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:21.599 Keeping the gun in there was amazing. 640 00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:22.380 Yeah, yeah. 641 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:23.220 Just really... 642 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.259 Not where Captain Jack kept here. 643 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:32.940 So, I mean, they are kind of fun, but you're right. 644 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.220 They don't belong in the superhero episode. 645 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.099 No, it's hard to know what's going on here. 646 00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:41.279 Yeah, and their plan seems to be, what? 647 00:28:41.339 --> 00:28:42.000 is their plan? 648 00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:49.019 So their plan is to blow up New York with a rocket ship because 649 00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:51.539 that's what people do to New York with a bomb all the time. 650 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:59.039 And then all of the world leaders run into the Harmony Shoals 651 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:03.720 offices for safety because they've been built to stand a nuclear 652 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.200 explosion. 653 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:12.599 And then they get their brains replaced by other brains and step 3 654 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:13.140 profit. 655 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:13.740 Yeah. 656 00:29:13.740 --> 00:29:19.319 So it's it's the Slovene... the sabine again. meets the autons 657 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.180 from the spearhead from space. 658 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:23.279 Okay, the autons have the right idea. 659 00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:25.740 Human Anaquins in a corner of the studio. 660 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:30.480 The thing that I was surprised by was when we were suddenly in 661 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:35.099 Harmony Shoals, Tokyo, and it's exactly the same set, but looking 662 00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:36.180 out into Tokyo. 663 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.700 Yeah, you can tell because of the Tokyo cityscape outside. 664 00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:39.720 Oh, look, there's the tower. 665 00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:40.619 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 666 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:41.700 There's more throng. 667 00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:46.319 But you have to think, well, that's the same idea that Tobias 668 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.680 Vaughan had, and we didn't could have mentioned that for some 669 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:54.180 reason, but because the invasion is so much better. invasion is 670 00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:54.359 great. 671 00:29:54.420 --> 00:30:00.779 That Tokyo scene actually leads into one of my favourite cut bits 672 00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:03.119 that is so unfortunate that we lost. 673 00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:06.779 So after he's flooded the foyer with Pokemon to get rid of 674 00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:09.480 everyone, which, you know, you kind of go, actually, at the time 675 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.960 Pokemon Go. At the time, that would have been, yeah. one person in 676 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:14.880 the office does come up to him and say, you can't do that. 677 00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:16.019 And he's like, well, I am. 678 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:17.579 Oh, okay. 679 00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.799 And then the doctor turns to him and says, do you fancy a cup of 680 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:20.039 tea? 681 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:20.940 And the guy's like, yes. 682 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:21.420 Me too. 683 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:22.619 If you're making one, off you go. 684 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:24.960 And that's the tea that the doctor adopted. 685 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.599 Not a dollar drinking. 686 00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:30.480 So the thing is, that still works as a really cool moment. 687 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:35.160 But in even earlier drafts, they then dragged around this poor 688 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:39.119 Japanese technician for the rest of the story. making them tea. 689 00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:40.799 Maybe that's what the doctor was speaking to. 690 00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:42.119 The doctor was talking to. 691 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:43.680 I think I think possibly. 692 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:45.900 But yeah, it's just kind of like 5 minutes later they go, what are 693 00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:46.259 you doing here? 694 00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:47.819 Tell me to folly. 695 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.779 So, the other thing that I want to talk about is what this is 696 00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:10.440 doing, because we've talked a lot, I think, about Moffat and his 697 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:14.400 you know, his interest in sort of gender politics and stuff 698 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.480 usually Moffat's men are sort of incompetent and there's a 699 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.960 competent woman who kind of bosses them around and kind of puts up 700 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:22.680 with them and that kind of thing. 701 00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:24.059 And that's not, which is his real life. 702 00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:28.319 Like, you know, he's always had many wives slash producers telling 703 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:29.460 you, yeah, yeah. 704 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.599 Wives, mothers-in-law. 705 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:32.640 Julia Swala. 706 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:32.940 Yeah. 707 00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:33.839 Yeah. 708 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:35.400 Well, yes, yeah. 709 00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:41.220 And so here, though, we do have a man who is incredibly competent 710 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:44.700 and dedicated. 711 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.839 So him being a superhero is essentially him being a nanny. 712 00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:52.680 You know, there's that moment at the end where she says, I want 713 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:54.599 you to put your superhero costume on. 714 00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.579 And it's the glasses. 715 00:31:57.059 --> 00:31:58.500 Yeah. 716 00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.759 It's cute. 717 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.180 It's one of the only bits I liked. 718 00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:09.240 Something I really like about that whole thing and the love 719 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:09.779 triangle. 720 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.140 Some sort of picks up on something in Lois and Clark, because when 721 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:19.140 Lois finds out Clark is Superman, she's more hurt by him not 722 00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:21.720 trusting her enough to tell her than she is by the actual 723 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:22.440 deception itself. 724 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:26.519 And she's like, her whole thing is, I still would have cared for 725 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.559 you if you were just Clark. 726 00:32:28.619 --> 00:32:29.339 Yeah. 727 00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.500 You know, but to care for Clark and Superman. 728 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.539 I was kind of dividing myself when I didn't have to. 729 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:39.240 And here, Moffat in his Christmas specials often has a tragic 730 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:39.720 romance. 731 00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:46.920 So you've got Kazran and Abigail and, you know, Kazran has saved 732 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.660 but also wasted their time together. 733 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:49.799 You know what I mean? 734 00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:55.200 You've got Madge and Reg, and they, like, they think it's all gone 735 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.319 wrong, but then it's fine, and that sort of tells doctor, no 736 00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:59.880 you're allowed to care about people, et cetera. 737 00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:01.619 You've got River and the doctor last year. 738 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:06.359 You've got Clara having to choose between like a fantasy life with 739 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:07.740 Danny or real life. 740 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:08.519 Yeah. 741 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.220 You'll have the 12th doctor and the 1st doctor next. 742 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.480 Yes, that's right. 743 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:19.980 But in this one, you know, I think that line from the doctor, some 744 00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:21.599 things are far too stupid to continue. 745 00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:25.680 The doctor knows what it is like to ignore that connection and 746 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:26.160 that love. 747 00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:28.920 And he's sort of putting his foot down and saying, you are not 748 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:29.759 making my mistakes. 749 00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:33.180 And it goes back to what he says to Kazran. like, it's either kiss 750 00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:36.180 the girl or lock yourself in the room and make a new screwdriver. 751 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:37.440 Yeah, yeah. 752 00:33:37.500 --> 00:33:42.000 And that's something I find is really lovely, especially for 753 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.259 Capaldi's doctor, having been so emotionally distant early on 754 00:33:46.259 --> 00:33:52.859 recognises that this relationship is important and needs to be 755 00:33:52.859 --> 00:33:53.819 saved and protected. 756 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:54.599 Yeah. 757 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:58.680 And to me, that's what sells it, is the doctor's interest in it. 758 00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:01.500 Like, no, and I mean, no disrespect to grant or charity's 759 00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:01.920 performances. 760 00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:03.839 There's nothing wrong with that, and I do believe the romance 761 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:04.500 between them. 762 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:09.719 But the doctor telling us how important it is that really sells it 763 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:10.619 to me. 764 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.260 And it sort of puts a button on that whole thing Moffatt's had 765 00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:14.699 with tragic romances. 766 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.980 I think I think the line. 767 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.340 There are some things, some situations that are too stupid to be 768 00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:23.880 allowed to continue, which is absolutely one of my favourite ever 769 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:25.019 Doctor Who line. 770 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:29.400 Yes, in the whole run of the show is a kind of metatextual thing 771 00:34:29.460 --> 00:34:34.920 because the mistaken identity thing is so dumb. and so obvious. 772 00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:38.699 And like they're so stupid for not being able to pick up on it. 773 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:40.980 And the doctor kind of can't believe it. 774 00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:44.099 But I do like, you know, there's that moment where they're sitting 775 00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:48.239 out on the fire escape and the doctor raises his drink and says 776 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:52.019 you know, thanks to the universe because he's not the worst person 777 00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:57.119 at romantic relationships, like in BC, which is really great. 778 00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.400 Like, that's really great because it's the 1st time you get 779 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:00.119 Capoli. 780 00:35:00.179 --> 00:35:04.139 Well, no, I mean, we had the most romantic moment, maybe in Doctor 781 00:35:04.139 --> 00:35:08.519 Who's history, which is that end, you know, the final bit of last 782 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:13.199 year's Christmas special, which allows Capaldi to be romantic in a 783 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.980 way that he hadn't been able to be at all in those years. 784 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.500 So it's kind of finally allows River to be age appropriate. 785 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:21.659 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 786 00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:26.039 I thought this was endearing, but it's sort of the story of the 787 00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:28.079 episode and that it wasn't really striving for very much. 788 00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:31.739 The reason I wasn't invested was because there's really no edge to 789 00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:33.239 either Grant or Lucy. 790 00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:35.099 They're both just quite nice people. 791 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.400 And there's nothing really to root for them to turn it around. 792 00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:41.880 They just sort of, she just has to realise that he has him. 793 00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:42.360 He's him. 794 00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:43.440 Yeah, that's it. 795 00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.360 It's almost like they've gone. 796 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:46.320 Can they do the accent? 797 00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:47.159 That'll do. 798 00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:48.420 Yeah, yeah. 799 00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:49.440 He is American. 800 00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:50.219 Yeah, he is. 801 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:51.900 Maybe she should have been, I'm just saying. 802 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:56.039 But it's just, yeah, I also get really, I don't know what it is 803 00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.380 when there's too many Americans in an episode of Doctor Who. 804 00:35:58.440 --> 00:35:59.579 Sales less light doctor. 805 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:00.659 What am I watching? 806 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:01.800 This is not my show. 807 00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:04.739 What's that that location? 808 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:09.780 The thing where Grant and Lucy live. 809 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.900 It's an outdoor sound stage in Bulgaria. 810 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:13.739 Right, okay. 811 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:14.400 Yeah, okay. 812 00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:19.440 And Justin and Charity, when they heard, oh, overseas shoot, they 813 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:20.280 thought they were going to New York. 814 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:21.960 Yeah, no problem. 815 00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:25.320 It's like we're going to Bulgaria because A, it's closer and also 816 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.139 B, it's a film set and we don't have to close down a New York City 817 00:36:28.139 --> 00:36:28.679 block. 818 00:36:28.739 --> 00:36:30.059 Do you have any idea how much that cost? 819 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:30.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 820 00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:32.519 Doctor Who was not going to be out? 821 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:37.440 And then they hired a local actor there for to double for Capaldi 822 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.960 in the long shots of like him on the... 823 00:36:40.019 --> 00:36:43.019 There's a cut line from that bit on the fire escape when he's 824 00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:47.519 chatting to Grant about the situation and the doctors have 825 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:48.420 something wrong lines off. 826 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:49.380 So let me get this straight. 827 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.340 Your cunning plan in looking after your unrequited high school 828 00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:56.820 sweetheart's baby is to then disguise yourself as a superhero, to 829 00:36:56.820 --> 00:36:57.780 distract her from you. 830 00:36:58.380 --> 00:37:01.320 And it goes, yeah, that's about it. 831 00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.780 There are some situations they're too stupid. 832 00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:11.639 I think too, when I was a kid, I just loved Margot Kidder. 833 00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:14.159 Oh, she was so so superb. 834 00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:18.000 And there was just that sort of slight hysterical edge and the 835 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.079 chain smoking. 836 00:37:19.139 --> 00:37:21.539 The chain smutching. for God sake. 837 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.780 Like when he looks at her lungs and goes, oh, not yet, but it's 838 00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:25.500 not great. 839 00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:28.800 Unbelievable. 840 00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:30.599 She was so, so superb. 841 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.079 And we do, there is a sort of an attempt. 842 00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:37.079 She was of that era, wasn't she? 843 00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:39.960 She's like, Marion Ravenwood in Raiders of the Lost Us. 844 00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:40.739 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 845 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.500 They sort of the female lead with real gumption. 846 00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:44.579 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 847 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.880 It's like, I am not a damsel in distress. 848 00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:49.019 Please don't save me. 849 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:49.920 Yeah, yeah. 850 00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:53.400 Whereas, I mean, I think Lucy's quite good. 851 00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:58.380 And I don't dislike the Mr. Huffle scene, which everyone else 852 00:37:58.380 --> 00:37:59.820 seems to sort of really hate. 853 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:00.539 Really strange. 854 00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:01.679 It is very strange. 855 00:38:01.739 --> 00:38:03.840 It would have been improved if she was doing it to Nadal, not 856 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:04.440 this. 857 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:04.679 Yeah. 858 00:38:04.739 --> 00:38:08.699 I mean, I think the point is, like, no one quite knows how to play 859 00:38:08.699 --> 00:38:11.400 it, and clearly there's a toy that Moffat's discovered and he 860 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:12.719 wants to do a beer. 861 00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:16.380 And so because it makes this sort of human squealing. you know, the 862 00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:16.860 doctor is. 863 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.639 It's a bit like Tom saying that he can't bear to be tortured by 864 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:25.139 someone with cold hands. where what's his face? 865 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:25.860 Peter Halliday. 866 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.440 Peter Halliday's using the thumbscrews on him. 867 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.280 So it's a little bit like that, you know, like it's got a sort of 868 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.380 human squeal, but it's sort of quiet work. 869 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:39.539 But so she is a bit kind of demented, you know, like and a bit 870 00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:43.860 she's fierce, but it doesn't really properly land for some 871 00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:44.099 reason. 872 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.059 Yeah. 873 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.199 It's, you know what? 874 00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:47.820 I think that I don't know. 875 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:49.500 You guys went to see it at the cinema. 876 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.940 It feels weird as an episode when you think there was nothing for 877 00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:55.079 an entire year. 878 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:55.920 Yeah, yeah. 879 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:57.780 This is your 1st Doctor Who back. 880 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.480 And you're like, this isn't really Doctor Who. 881 00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:01.199 Yeah. 882 00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:03.539 This is like a superhero thing with Doctor Who in it. 883 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.900 Like, it's not, and everyone's behaving really strangely. 884 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:08.519 Well, and they shunt him to the side. 885 00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:11.159 Yeah, like he's off fascing about on that space. 886 00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:12.179 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 887 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.340 Yeah, I think I think that's that's the thing. 888 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.079 Like, there's so many different things in this. 889 00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:19.019 It's a superhero thing and it's a Doctor Who thing and it's a 890 00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:20.880 screwball comedy and it's a romance. 891 00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:23.760 And we haven't had Doctor Who on for a year. 892 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:28.860 This suffers, I think, a bit from what I call legend of the sea 893 00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:29.699 devil syndrome. 894 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:30.179 Yeah. 895 00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:31.860 In that, it's not crap. 896 00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:34.559 Wow. 897 00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:40.860 If this was episode 7 of a full season, I think we would feel 898 00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:45.420 about it a lot more fondly, as as a fun romp, because that's the 899 00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:48.059 thing, all of the things I look at this and go, oh, that's not 900 00:39:48.059 --> 00:39:48.360 great. 901 00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:50.519 It's not crap, as you say. 902 00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:51.480 It's not bad. 903 00:39:51.539 --> 00:39:52.800 We're laughing about it. 904 00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:54.300 And I think we're not laughing. 905 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.940 We're laughing about it more than we're laughing at it. 906 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.139 Yeah, you know. 907 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.500 And even the Mr. Huffle thing, which is so freaking bizarre. 908 00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:02.820 Yeah, so odd. 909 00:40:02.820 --> 00:40:03.900 And unnecessary. 910 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.480 Yeah. and then they make a Mr. Huffle toy. 911 00:40:06.539 --> 00:40:07.139 Oh yeah. 912 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.000 But do they make a ghost action figure? 913 00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:09.780 No, no. 914 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:11.579 Do they make another doll action figure? 915 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:12.000 No. 916 00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:14.039 Are they making action figures at this point? 917 00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:15.539 No, and I'm still not over it. 918 00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:21.420 The other thing that Mr. Huffle does is he's used as a symbol for 919 00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:25.079 Capaldi's heartbreak about losing him a song. 920 00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:29.820 And like this twice. where we kind of mention how he feels pain. 921 00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:32.340 And then we get a shot of Mr. Hartful. 922 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.139 Why are we doing that? 923 00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.119 Are you sure it was good? 924 00:40:36.179 --> 00:40:38.460 Are you sure it was a good choice for Ed to come back to 925 00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:39.059 directness? 926 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:40.440 Yeah, I don't know. 927 00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:43.320 But is this the tail wagging the dog? 928 00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:45.840 Does Mr. Huffle approved as a toy? 929 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.119 And they went, can we get it in the show? 930 00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:51.599 Maybe all their plans went wrong because true story. 931 00:40:51.659 --> 00:40:55.800 Someone had bought up the domain for Mr. Huffle.com so that the 932 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:56.760 BBC couldn't. 933 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.059 It wasn't me, by the way. 934 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.639 Joining the podcast family. 935 00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:08.340 It's just 50 minutes of squeaking. 936 00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:11.940 It's a commentary one. 937 00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.340 Watches whole episodes and just squeaks and bits that are 938 00:41:17.340 --> 00:41:17.639 annoying. 939 00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:21.780 Just squeaks and Simon saying I don't think it was very good. 940 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:26.579 7.34. 941 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.380 Well, dear listener, that's all time we've got for now. 942 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.320 We'll be back in a few weeks' time for the start of Peter 943 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:05.400 Capoldi's last year as the doctor, with a new job, a new mission 944 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.400 and a wonderful new companion in The Pilot. 945 00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:12.420 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts 946 00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:15.780 and you can keep up with us on our website, flightthroughentirety 947 00:42:14.460 --> 00:42:18.780 com, where you'll find our social media links, as well as links to 948 00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:22.980 all of our other podcasts, including our other Doctor Who podcasts 949 00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:26.880 500-year diary, and the 2nd grade and bountiful human empire. 950 00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:31.619 Until next time, remember man, you don't get a trophy for stacking 951 00:42:31.619 --> 00:42:33.000 the dishwasher correctly. 952 00:42:33.059 --> 00:42:35.519 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 953 00:42:35.579 --> 00:42:36.719 You get to live. 954 00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:37.500 Good night. 955 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.639 Good night. 956 00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:39.659 Good night. 957 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.480 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter 958 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.219 Griffith, Brendan Jones, and Adam Richard. 959 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.860 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 960 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.099 This episode, Finger on the Zeitgeist, was recorded on the 21st of 961 00:42:56.099 --> 00:42:59.039 July 2024 and released on the 25th of July. 962 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.500 Since we last spoke, Flight Through Entirety celebrated its 10th 963 00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:07.079 birthday on the 26th of May 2024. 964 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.619 To celebrate this milestone, we put together a history of the 965 00:43:10.619 --> 00:43:13.860 first 10 years of the podcast, which you can check out at 966 00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:16.860 flightthroughentirety.com slash 10th. 967 00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.360 The funny thing being, our dishwasher is just a cupboard because 968 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:26.039 rod has so much crockery. 969 00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:29.639 Oh, our oven's a cupboard. 970 00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:32.519 And the microwave is a cupboard. 971 00:43:32.579 --> 00:43:35.400 And the air fryer is also a cupboard. 972 00:43:35.460 --> 00:43:38.519 This is a bit of a drink. recording a company. 973 00:43:38.579 --> 00:43:38.940 Yeah, yeah. 974 00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:39.780 Cook in the closet. 975 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:42.480 I wonder what that jelly mould was doing there. 976 00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:45.179 When you brought up the dishwasher, I was like, 0 my God, are we 977 00:43:45.179 --> 00:43:46.860 doing it as time goes by podcast? 978 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.159 There's a lot of dishwasher chat in that show. 979 00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:53.159 Yeah, it was someone's topic on hard quiz. 980 00:43:53.219 --> 00:43:54.539 I had to watch a lot Oh wow. 981 00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:56.340 Dishwashers. 982 00:43:57.420 --> 00:44:00.420 No, as time goes by. 983 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.860 I hardly know it. 984 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:03.300 Oh my god. 985 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.539 That joke would be sophisticated and funny. 986 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.179 For that joke. 987 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:10.380 No, is it? 988 00:44:10.380 --> 00:44:12.539 It's Judy Dench and Jeffrey Palmer. 989 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:13.679 Oh, writing. 990 00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:14.940 Oh, wait, it's not the one. 991 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:18.840 What's the one where Geoffrey Palmer regenerates into Peter 992 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:20.400 Bowles? 993 00:44:20.460 --> 00:44:23.699 Oh no, that's the other way around, but that was... 994 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:24.599 No, yeah, it is. 995 00:44:24.659 --> 00:44:27.539 Yeah, no, because Peter Bowles is the person you get if you can't 996 00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:28.320 catch Jeffrey Palmer. 997 00:44:28.380 --> 00:44:29.880 Yeah, that was the Penelope Heath one. 998 00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:30.780 Executive stress? 999 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:31.500 Maybe. 1000 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:32.460 Yeah, yeah. 1001 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:33.239 Something like that. 1002 00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:36.539 As time goes by, as what they call a gentle British sitcom, which 1003 00:44:36.539 --> 00:44:38.219 means a joke race of like one every 5 minutes. 1004 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:39.000 Yeah. 1005 00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:40.739 Sometimes one every 5 episodes. 1006 00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:44.219 Maybe just the same joke over and over. 1007 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:49.019 Frequently it's Judy Dench, peeling potatoes or putting something 1008 00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:49.559 in the oven. 1009 00:44:49.619 --> 00:44:51.239 Well, now, you make me want to watch that. 1010 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.480 She does a lot of appealing. 1011 00:44:56.099 --> 00:45:01.679 There is actually early on a very gentle, gay panic subplot in 1012 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:05.280 there because Jeffrey Palmer thinks that his male publicist might 1013 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.340 have a crush on him, but it's diffused by the fact that the male 1014 00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:10.619 publicist's response is, I'm not by, lie. 1015 00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:12.900 Oh my God. 1016 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:14.639 Oh my goodness. 1017 00:45:14.699 --> 00:45:18.059 But like he's a 90s yuppie. the whole of the 1st season. 1018 00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:20.699 Actually, does he have a crush on the daughter, the secretary, or 1019 00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:21.420 is he gay? 1020 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:22.739 If he's gay. 1021 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.239 Why doesn't he have a crush on Judy Dent? 1022 00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:28.079 And the whole thing starts when Jeffrey Palmer goes out on a date 1023 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.559 with Judy Dencher's daughter and then realises he used to date 1024 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:32.099 them up. 1025 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:34.739 In the 40s. 1026 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:36.000 It's gross. 1027 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.820 All kinds of it. 1028 00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:44.400 I remember going to the cinema to see this, Brendan.