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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast consisting of 2 tones of different

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frequencies presented separately to each ear, which elicits the

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sensation of a 3rd tone oscillating at the difference frequency of

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the 1st 2 tones.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Peter and I'm Simon.

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Well, we haven't had a haunted house around here since 2013.

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If you don't count those scenes in that episode in 2014, and so

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we're just about due for another one.

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David Suchet's not busy, so we'll get him in.

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And we've got some thrilling new audio technology.

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One of the sound guys wants to try out.

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So let's see what happens when we mix that all down as we discuss

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knock knock.

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I've got nothing.

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You know, it does concern me that people who say that Doctor Who's

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budget should be cut and you'd have every week a haunted house and

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it would be amazing.

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We might just be setting ourselves up for a whole season of knock

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knocks.

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What I actually found it doing quite a lot was reminding me of a

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much better Doctor Who story and that's ghost light.

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And so the exteriors of the house have a fake computer generated

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tower, sort of charting up from the middle of it.

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And then we had fake computer generated lightning for a lot of it

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for atmosphere.

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The corridors, I think, were very, very similar with all of that

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dark wood and stuff.

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But somehow, a haunted house, I think, really lives or dies on

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atmosphere, and it's hard to tell because I haven't got any real

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concrete claims to make, but I just didn't feel the atmosphere

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here at all.

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I did feel atmosphere.

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It's one of those times where it all looks fine on paper

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everyone's going through the motions and doing what they're

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supposed to do, but it's just, and it's not terrible.

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No, no, no, no.

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It's fine.

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Yeah, it's fine.

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And I think that's the problem with this.

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And I think the problem with much of this season, or at least much

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of what I've watched of it so far, is it's fine.

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I think it's in need of at least one or 2 more drafts and a bit

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more thinking as to the resolution and everything like that. you

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know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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The word that came to mind for me was vanilla.

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Yes, there was a vanilla.

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It doesn't.

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Yeah, Ghostlight has this delicious current of black humour

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running through it.

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Whereas this didn't, this felt quite lightweight.

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And I did kind of appreciate it for having a bit of a sitcom style

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setup, but I'm not sure that was the tone that we were going for.

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No, in fact, for me, that's the bit that worked.

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Let's talk about the beginning of it.

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I really, really liked the beginning.

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You know, the normal way to get someone to sleep in a haunted

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house in a sitcom is, of course, if your crazy aunt makes it a

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condition of inheriting in the world. you know what I mean?

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You have to stay the night in a haunted house first.

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And here, like, I just thought it was very sweet, the fact that

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now we have sort of Gen Z people or I've completely lost track.

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But what later were up to?

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Yeah, yeah, but lovely young people trying to rent a flat, and of

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course, that's impossible.

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And there's that wonderful line where one of them says Shireen

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possibly says, what do other people do?

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And Bill says, other people have money.

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And like that horrible real estate agent in the terrible suit who

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is showing them around these places.

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Rolling his eyes to see.

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Actually, that's the thing.

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It, not actually a haunted house story.

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It's trying to be an 80s horror film.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And there are actually a difference because Ghostlight has that

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Victorian, I mean, it is set in the Victorian era, but it's not

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just that it's got the flavour of a Victorian ghost story.

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Whereas this has got the flavour of those 80s nightmare on Elm

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Street type type things.

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I think that's what it's going for.

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Because for me, even though, yes, that earlier part, those early

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sequences where they're hunting for the flats are great and

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they're really well done, you then need to sort of adjust your

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idea of what the episode's going to be once they arrive at the

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house.

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And with 45 minutes, you just don't have enough time to change

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your idea of what's going to be happening.

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Yeah, I think that's it.

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There isn't enough time to build atmosphere.

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So we're doing a haunted house thing, but we're doing it in a

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traditional 45 minute episode that's just full of dialogue, full

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of people talking to one another.

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And so there just isn't enough time to build up tension, I think.

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But going back to the sitcom thing, I think the other thing that

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really works is the characters.

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Can I just say Shareen, Pavel, Harry, Felicity, and Paul.

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Yeah, she didn't think I could do that.

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No, I certainly can't.

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So I'm glad one of us stay...

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In fact, one of my favourite moments is Bill's trying to get the

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doctor to leave.

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And he says, no, no, I'm going to stay up with Simon and she just

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says, Harry. and Florence.

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Felicity.

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And like it's probably an editing thing, but the comic timing of

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it is absolutely perfect.

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Like I roared with laughter.

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And it kind of makes fun of the fact that they're sort of-ish red

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shirts in a way.

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But they are really, really well characterised.

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And it's not the writing.

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It's not that sort of Russell T. Davis characterisation where he

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gives a character a thing and then you kind of know them quite

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well.

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It's just getting a group of diverse and attractive young people.

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You know, they have different accents.

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Um, Harry, perfect diversity.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Harry's very northern, gorgeous.

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Paul is ridiculously tall, like absurdly comically tall.

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Expendable.

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Unexpendable.

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Like, they're really good.

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Like those characters are great.

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I really like them.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yes, I could want to live in that house.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And you know, some of it's to do with the riceing, but I think a

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whole lot of it has to do with the casting.

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They're so immediate and it's just cast really well.

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They all inhabit those characters with just like one or 2 beats.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's part of the thing of, yes, it is kind of a sitcom setup.

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But also going back to that point about it also being an 80s

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horror film.

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The thing with teens in 80s horror film is at least half of them

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are in some way unlikeable.

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So you're kind of going, oh, yeah, they're going to bite it now.

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And none of these people are unlikeable.

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So you automatically lose that fun part of a horror film.

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Yeah.

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Where you're cheering for someone to die.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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There are 2 obvious horror references for me in this.

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And one is the evil dead when Felicity runs outside and is

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overtaken by a tree and obviously it doesn't go full evil dead.

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And for those of you who haven't seen it, I'm not going to go into

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detail because it's quite disturbing.

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Um, then I think at the end there's also some very clear

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comparisons to Psycho.

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Well, very clear comparison.

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Psycho.

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Yeah, so I was going to bring that up.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, all of that stuff is terrifically fun.

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They're fun to watch, you know, and and I think Bill and the

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doctor work really well in this context too.

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And, you know, we've talked about Bill kind of undermining the

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show with the sort of genre aware questions that she asks.

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And so here we get the Time Lord reveal.

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Like it's episode 4 and we get the 1st mention of the Time Lords

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and stuff and she reacts properly to the Revelation that they're

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called Time Lords because that's stupid.

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And with Terrence Dix having a bad day, I think.

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Well, no, it's just a different era.

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It's just the fact that there's an awful lot of I just love

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watching all the pearl clutching in the modern era when it's

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brought up that he's a time lord because all the people, especially

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the people making the program, have this kind of aversion to the

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oh my god, he's a lord. that means he can't be one of us.

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Yeah, I was terrible.

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I got these lord, he's on it.

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That means he won't be relatable and stuff like that.

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But they always have to go through some kind of charade excuse

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about it.

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In fact, I think, you know, in a very, very bad episode, the

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caretaker describing the doctor as aristocratic, I thought works

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really quite well.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it's a good critique of the way he sends people to their

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deaths.

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Then, you know, it's not fair or whatever, but it actually works.

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Here, it is just sort of mocking the kind of slight silliness of

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the law, I think.

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Yeah.

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And I love his, you know, know, we don't have big hats, but we

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mostly have big hats too.

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I like your reference to pearl clutching, a fair amount of that

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happens in this episode.

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Yes, exactly.

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In fact, we talked about sitcom.

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I think a lot of the comedy moments in this episode come from

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Peter Capaldi and the doctor, because the doctor placed in this

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situation with a bunch of young people house sharing is like

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putting him into an alien society.

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He does not know what to deal with and who to relate to and how to

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come across as normal in that situation.

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But again, it's a bit like the lodger action.

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A little bit like the lodger.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And all of that works really well.

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Moffat in one of the sort of additional bits of video that was

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released at the same time, he says that what he wanted to do was

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have the TARDIS be used for a normal thing.

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And so Bill calls the doctor and says, can you help me move into

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this house and he materialises around all of her stuff and then

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sort of drops it off.

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And it just reminds me of what I think is a genius moment in time

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of the doctor where Clara wants to use the TARDIS because she

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hasn't cooked the turkey into.

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And so she needs a time machine so that she can get it right

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cooked by the time wins or something.

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And so all of that's really fun.

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You know, he's kind of a bit right when he says he doesn't look

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old enough to be her grandfather.

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It's part of Moffat's weird preoccupation with Capaldi's age.

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We saw it all the way back in deep breath where he kept talking

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about how old he was.

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He's not that old.

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It's like they regret it at the moment they cast him or

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something.

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Yeah, see that making excuses for us.

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I mean, Kapold is 57 here.

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He is Pearl Mackey's dad, not her grandad.

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Yeah, well, Pearl Mackey's 29.

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Right.

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But I think she's playing it younger.

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But what's fun is, of course, putting Capaldi's doctor on the back

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foot, given that he's so imperious and so in command.

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And, you know, it's like putting pertry on the back foot.

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It just works terrifically well.

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Love them for the same reason.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it's sort of nice too that the doctor doesn't get that all

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these young people might just want to spend time away from this

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old person.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And remember when he gets when he gets Bill's phone and Bill is

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desperately trying to hide the fact that she likes little Mix, who

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do the song at the very opening thing, and she's trying to hide it

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and saying, it's Spotify, it's probably just random, and he goes

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no, no, there's a whole playlist here.

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He's actively embarrassing her by mistake just by not quite being

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able to read the signals.

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And that brilliant moment where he crunches on the cracker and

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everything pauses for 3 seconds for him to be really awkward

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eating it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He tries to crunch on it quietly, doesn't he?

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I think it's in the middle of the landlord's speech, but all of

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that stuff is really just tremendously good.

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It's a little bit again, like the sushi in Dr. Mysterio, which was

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so awesome.

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I mean, I'm doing a bit of a tod.

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Now that we're talking about it.

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I think I do like it a bit more than I thought I did.

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No, it's perfectly fun.

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That's why I say it's fine.

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I don't want to say this.

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This is not a bad episode.

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No, I'm just not saying it's not a great episode.

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Yeah, vanilla.

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Vanilla.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think perhaps is trying to do too many things at once.

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And so provides a perfectly entertaining 50 minutes of all of them

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but it's, you know, it's not a great horror episode of Doctor Who

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and it's not a great comedy episode of Doctor Who, but it is

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perfectly fine.

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Like, it's gone up a little bit in my estimation, like Smile did a

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couple of weeks ago.

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I think another big problem is watching again, it's like, I don't

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have a good idea of the geography of the house.

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And like when you get stuff like Psycho and Halloween that rely on

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you know, being in this one location, you do end up with a good

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idea of where the rooms are and okay, if she's in here, then the

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killer's there and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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And I don't know if that's careless direction or if it's

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deliberate to try and be unnerving, but instead it just takes me

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out of it a bit because I find myself thinking, oh, so Bill's

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saying go up from here, but I thought we were on the 2nd floor and

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you can't go up to the tower.

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Where is the tower?

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And at one point, Bill's like, the tower must be over here.

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It's like, okay.

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It's interesting that you say that you don't quite know where you

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are in the house because I didn't really actively think that this

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but there was sort of like that passive thought at the back of my

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mind at times.

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Like, are we supposed to, is the house actually rearranging

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itself?

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Um, in that, in that...

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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For example.

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And yeah, so I just, unfortunately, I don't think it's

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deliberate.

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I think it's just the fact that they haven't worked it out.

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And I think it doesn't help the fact that different parts of the

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house look like they're completely different locations, which they

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are.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's the problem.

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They look too much like they're completely different place. 2

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locations in a set, isn't it?

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Oh, is it?

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And you've got the one of the locations is the Wester Drumland's

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house from Blink, apparently.

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It's next door to it because apparently...

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Yeah, I looked this up when I watched it.

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The, um, it's so it's like a 70-tached Gothic mansion and the

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blink was the other half of it.

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Yeah.

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But I think that they actually, the seller in blink was a set, but

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I think they use the seller in the blink house for knock knock.

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Yeah, it's all very incestuous.

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But I think that doesn't help the idea of internal geography.

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But the thing about location is always a thing in those films like

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Brendan was saying, you need to know where the characters are and

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where they're going to escape to.

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So there's that moment of, no, don't go through that door.

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That's only the stairs to the cellar. you know, And so it helps to

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build anticipation, whereas here they could just be wandering

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around on different sets.

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Exactly.

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And they are, yeah.

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The other thing that doesn't work too, is that there is this

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gimmick that the ward is alive, which I think is really good, and

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it's a great idea, but they never actually make it happen.

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So there's a few scenes where, for instance, the doctor notices

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that a door has sealed itself shut, like the wood has grown over

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but they've made no attempt to make it look like that in any way.

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They've done nothing.

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They've just sort of had the door.

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And then.

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No, no, no.

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You can see that the side is all like where the and where the gap

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would be is kind of like filled in, like like with, you know, bog

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filler or something.

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It just doesn't quite work, I think.

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And the same with the closing shutters and stuff like that.

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There's a good scene, I think, outside when Felicity's running

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away and she runs past and all of the shutters of the doors closed

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by themselves.

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I think that's really good.

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But I think, you know, making the wood grow and do things like

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there's just not quite enough money to sell it, I think.

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They have to be too sparing with their effect shots.

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Yeah, I think so.

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And then there's the effect shots of the bugs.

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Yeah, and it's very very CGI.

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It's very bad.

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I mean, wood lice from space.

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It a step up or down from the tractors.

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I don't think it's necessarily a money thing.

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I think just sometimes there are ways of doing these effects and

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sometimes like the CGI when you're building a creature in CGI and

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I think I just think some people are a bit better at it than other

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people.

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And maybe some creatures are easier to achieve than others.

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And I think the regularity of like a wood giant wood lice maybe

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makes it look too CGI because it all looks a bit too perfect.

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I think the action.

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And there's no slime and goo.

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There needs to be kind of some slime and goo.

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I think in close-up they actually look fine.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, it's yeah, it's not swarms of them that look terrible.

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Yeah, but it's also it's also the way they're overlaid on whatever

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it is. that's what I'm saying There's something wrong.

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There's just something wrong.

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It's like those scenes from the mummy, like the early CGI scenes

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back in 2000 or the 90s whenever the original mummy was with those

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scarab Beatles kind of going over everyone and it never looks

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rice.

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It just looks like it's been built in a computer.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But, you know, we're spoiled.

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Yes, yeah.

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That's true.

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And of course, where it will come to it, but where Doctor Who gets

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it right is in, say, Eliza, where it melts out with live action

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and a real person, and that looks great.

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I suppose it does.

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I think we're even just spoiled by last week because last week did

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create that world in a really vivid way where you couldn't see the

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seams.

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Yes, it looked very, very good.

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I wonder why.

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And even the week before, actually, where we dropped that Spanish

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museum into the middle of a Bali.

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Oh, that looks great.

402
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It looked just incredible.

403
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Yeah, you know.

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But if we're watching Doctor Who for this movie.

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Yes, you shouldn't be watching Doctor Who.

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Even now.

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Can we talk about David Soucher?

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Are we up to are we upset?

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Yeah.

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Great piece of casting.

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Obviously, you know, one of those actors. why has it taken this

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long for him to be in Doctor Who kind of thing.

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But I want to sort of say how great he is in this kind of role.

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And it suits his Poirot acting as well because it's a heightened

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kind of acting.

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It's not over the top.

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There is a difference between heightened and over the top.

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And I think David Souchey delivers what I would call a perfect

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Doctor Who performance in here with that level of a heightened

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performance.

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It's understated heightened performance.

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Like, he underplays everything.

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Not a single line is. he's obviously so much of a better with the

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exception of Capaldi.

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He's a better actor than any of them that are there.

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And it may partly be because he's, you know, decades older than

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the rest of the cars, but he's delivering his lines in a way where

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the lines are meant to be heard rather than in a way where the

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lines are just meant to pass the time so we can get to the next

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line.

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But, you know, part of that, I think, is that he has to look old

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fashioned.

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Of course, no, exactly.

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So he doesn't know who the Prime Minister is.

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He's wearing an old-fashioned suit.

436
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He gets on that, yeah.

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And he's doing sort of old-fashioned presentational style of

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acting as well.

439
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Exactly.

440
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Yeah, and that's what I love.

441
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And that's why I think it's perfect for you to hear.

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I knew you would love it.

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And I do too, because it's a very classic series performance.

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That's what I was trying to say.

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Actually, it really helps because he's, you know, we often talk

446
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about Doctor Who doesn't work when not all of the cast are on the

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same page.

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I don't think the cast here are on the same page and it's

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deliberate because all of Bill's friends are presenting with those

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very modern style performances and he's doing an old-fashioned

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documentary.

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Yeah, but that works because he's not, it wouldn't work if one of

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the kids was doing separation.

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Yeah.

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But again, it's the way television performance is done. has

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changed over the decades.

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And this David Souche performance is a throwback to that, but I

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actually think the Doctor Who, even in the modern era, works when

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we have actors delivery.

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Certainly when they're the villains delivering that style of

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performance rather than the hammy over the top style, which is

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what's so often they fall into the trap of doing.

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It's great, isn't it?

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Because he, like, I am not super familiar with the Poirot.

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No, I definitely watched it.

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I have watched some.

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I remember a thing called Blot on the Landscape from the 1980s

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which was dramatisation of a Tom Sharp novel starring Geraldine

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James and he was the eponymous blot.

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And so that's where I knew him from...

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Yeah, a lot on the landscape in the 1980s, Terror of the Verbals.

472
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No, that's great.

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That's just one of several blocks.

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Don't single out that.

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That's it.

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I'm out.

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That body's in that.

478
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Exactly.

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The best thing about it. absolutely.

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That's not an exaggeration.

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Absolute truth.

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But there's a warmth to him, like every so often, that smile is so

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genuinely warm and it is fake.

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Like it is to lure them in, but it works perfectly well.

485
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But also the mood shifts, you know, don't go up to the tower.

486
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Yeah, that's that, again, and it's done with the cuts too, as he

487
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turns around, the visual cut. speaks to me.

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Even that suit is the same colour as the wall panelling.

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When he 1st appears inside the house.

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It looks like he's emerged from the wall because he's kind of

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disappearing into the wall because his suit's exactly the same

492
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colour. like Homer coming out of the hedge.

493
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Yeah, exactly.

494
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Yeah, no, I think he's extremely good.

495
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I do think he is really great.

496
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I do want to give props to the actor who plays Harry though.

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Colin Ryan.

498
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Oh, he sounds good.

499
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He's so good.

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And he is filling the role, which I think is lacking in the modern

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era of the pseudo companion.

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Temporary companion. temporary companion, which we just see so

503
00:22:10.859 --> 00:22:14.220
little of with these single episode stories and he does it so, so

504
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:14.519
well.

505
00:22:14.579 --> 00:22:16.500
And I do get upset when he gets eaten.

506
00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:22.140
He gets scared so convinced. like he does a proper Doctor Who

507
00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:23.640
scared companion act.

508
00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:24.960
Yes. in the best way.

509
00:22:25.019 --> 00:22:28.259
He has that great reaction shot where they're all sitting in the

510
00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:30.779
living room and there's noises from the kitchen and it's behind

511
00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:33.180
him and he just looks around the chair with this sort of scared

512
00:22:33.180 --> 00:22:34.920
look on his face. just amazing.

513
00:22:34.980 --> 00:22:36.599
It's got great big eyes acting.

514
00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:40.200
Friend of the podcast, Corey McMahon texted me after this episode

515
00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.980
went to air and said, we've been lacking a twink companion for

516
00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:44.579
Doctor Who.

517
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:45.660
He said, we've had Russell.

518
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:46.859
Why didn't we have a twink community?

519
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.180
That's what Adrick was supposed to be.

520
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.660
Patrick's bum was always too big to be a twink.

521
00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.599
But the closest I can think of would be Adam.

522
00:22:54.660 --> 00:22:55.319
Adam, yes.

523
00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:56.220
Adam was definitely.

524
00:22:56.220 --> 00:23:01.440
And so there was some stuff where they wanted Harry to be Harry

525
00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.119
Sullivan's grandson.

526
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.299
And he does mention his grandfather, who just doesn't mention him

527
00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:06.599
by name.

528
00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:11.279
His grandfather's boyfriend who tries to steal part of the Great

529
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:11.819
Wall of China.

530
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:16.319
Yeah, Harry's enjoying his retirement, having committed a war

531
00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:20.819
crime by inventing that pathogen to target the Zigon.

532
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:21.720
Zygons.

533
00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:22.259
Yeah.

534
00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:24.960
Was that the hush hush thing he was doing at Port and Down?

535
00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:26.339
Yeah, that's right.

536
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.420
So, yes, that was in the script for a very long time.

537
00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:34.619
It was actually mainly dropped from writer Mike Bartlett's

538
00:23:34.619 --> 00:23:38.099
perspective because this is, to date, his only Doctor Who.

539
00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:42.539
He's most famous for creating and writing Dr. Foster with Saran

540
00:23:42.539 --> 00:23:46.859
Jones, but he was a huge Doctor Who fan and his youth and Harry

541
00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:49.500
was his favourite companion and he sort of went during the

542
00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:50.160
drafting process.

543
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:54.960
He's like, okay, but how many people out there also remember Harry

544
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.619
Sullivan, and is it just going to sort of bog down that scene

545
00:23:58.619 --> 00:24:01.619
where young Harry's also called Harry Sullivan?

546
00:24:01.619 --> 00:24:04.200
And what was going to happen was when the doctor's listing the

547
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.500
names at the end, he would say, oh, Pavlo Ivanov and da da da.

548
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:07.980
And Harry.

549
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:09.119
Oh, Bill, Bill.

550
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:10.079
Oh, it's awful.

551
00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:10.799
I don't know his name.

552
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:11.579
Sullivan.

553
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.420
Harry Sullivan?

554
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.660
You know, then it's also happening in this big dramatic scene that

555
00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:19.440
we get the name drop of someone, the general public may not

556
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:19.740
remember.

557
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.660
So he just went, I'm just gonna...

558
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:23.099
I'll tell the fans I did it.

559
00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:27.059
Yes, I think all that would have interfered with the flow. such as

560
00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:27.359
it is.

561
00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:29.940
Yes, now that you say that all sounds like a lot less fun than I

562
00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:30.299
thought.

563
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.599
But you know, Harry Sullivan was.

564
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:36.539
That doesn't necessarily go against what we knew about Harry.

565
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:39.059
It's one thing taking a character who's been established and sort

566
00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:40.500
of turning them into an entirely different thing.

567
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.500
But Harry's sexuality was never stated in the show and his

568
00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:47.400
relationship with Sarah was very much kind of brother and sister

569
00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:48.000
best friends.

570
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:48.900
Yeah.

571
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.700
I, I think the, the Port and Downs thing was terrible, like making

572
00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:56.940
Harry, the creator of a pathogen to explode Zygons.

573
00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:58.920
I thought was should have been cut.

574
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:01.019
That's awful because that violates his character.

575
00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:01.920
Yeah, yeah.

576
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:03.299
Yeah.

577
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:04.799
Thanks, Brandon.

578
00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:07.140
I didn't hear that.

579
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:13.559
If I could say something about David Souche as well.

580
00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:17.339
Because I've seen all of his Poirots.

581
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.480
And of course, one of the early ones, wasp's nest features a young

582
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:23.339
Peter Capaldi in clown makeup.

583
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:24.359
Oh my goodness.

584
00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:27.720
And they'd worked together on one other thing as well.

585
00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:31.500
And apparently sort of between shots, they were they were chatting

586
00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:33.000
about their mutual lover photography.

587
00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:34.140
Okay.

588
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:37.380
David and Peter, which is lovely and very sweet.

589
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.880
I also wanted to mention Suchet's 1st brush with Poirot isn't

590
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:42.539
Poirot.

591
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:46.380
He plays Detective Japp in one of the Peter Houstonov films 13 at

592
00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:46.619
dinner.

593
00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:47.339
Oh, really?

594
00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:51.420
Which he has stated is the worst performance of his career.

595
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.420
Probably someone else's best performance.

596
00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:15.119
We touched on the resolution, and Brandon, you mentioned it before

597
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.000
you know, the psycho reference, which I couldn't help but thinking

598
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:22.319
when I was watching it again yesterday, but I still think overall

599
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.900
and I think that this is where, apart from other niggling things

600
00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:26.700
where it does get let down.

601
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:31.440
I just think it's a great concept for a story, which is still

602
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:32.339
looking for its resolution.

603
00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:35.339
They just needed to sort of think about it a bit more.

604
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:38.519
I mean, why is it only every 20 years that David Suchet needs to

605
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:40.799
tempt a bunch of young kids.

606
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:43.980
That's when the house runs out of... runs out of... young person

607
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:45.359
energy.

608
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:49.140
Yeah, even so, it's just, I don't know.

609
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.900
It's like, oh, here's this great explanation we've come up with

610
00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:54.000
for this and it doesn't sit right with me.

611
00:26:54.059 --> 00:26:56.700
I actually think that scene is actively terrible.

612
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:57.720
Actively terrible.

613
00:26:57.779 --> 00:26:57.960
Yeah.

614
00:26:58.019 --> 00:26:58.799
Oh, shockingly bad.

615
00:26:58.859 --> 00:27:01.319
And I think I think part of it is just trying to be polite.

616
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:01.859
No, no.

617
00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:06.420
I think part of the problem is...

618
00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:11.519
I'm not trying I think part of the problem is that it's just

619
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:12.900
massively overwrought.

620
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:16.140
Like, just, like, we're all looking into each other's eyes and

621
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.720
crying and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I just sort of

622
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:19.920
thought that that was kind of terrible.

623
00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:23.160
It's layering on stakes and emotion, which hasn't really earned.

624
00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:23.519
No.

625
00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:24.660
I also have never a fan.

626
00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:25.380
The twist is dumb.

627
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:26.160
Who cares?

628
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:27.839
Well, yeah, yeah.

629
00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:30.059
He's actually here...

630
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:30.539
So what?

631
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:31.380
So, yeah.

632
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:31.799
Oh, great.

633
00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:32.099
Okay.

634
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.640
But also it's that thing of, I'm never a huge fan of when the

635
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.460
villain, the monster, whatever it is, suddenly decides that, oh

636
00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:41.220
yes, I'm actually evil and this is a bad idea, so I'll just kind

637
00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:42.180
of destroy myself right now.

638
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:46.680
Yeah, so I mean, what the twist enables is the resolution.

639
00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:50.640
So the twist enables the twist air quotes.

640
00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:55.740
Yeah, the twist makes it clear to Eliza that she's in charge, that

641
00:27:55.740 --> 00:27:59.279
she doesn't have to go along with what the landlord is doing.

642
00:27:59.339 --> 00:28:01.319
And so she puts a stop to it.

643
00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:04.980
And like that kind of works, I guess.

644
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:10.500
And the way the twist is revealed is good, you know, Bill goes

645
00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:11.640
actually, that makes no sense.

646
00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:13.920
The version of the story you've come up with, Doctor, is

647
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:14.519
ridiculous.

648
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:15.779
No one behaves like that.

649
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:20.160
And then we get the truth and all of that sort of fine, but

650
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:21.660
there's such low stakes to it.

651
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.779
Like, I can see why it's there, but it is sort of dumb.

652
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:28.500
And I think too, like it's Doctor Who.

653
00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:32.759
And I think Eliza looks amazing.

654
00:28:32.819 --> 00:28:34.500
Like there's live action.

655
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.799
There's some kind of, it's not just live action.

656
00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:39.720
There is some makeup, isn't there?

657
00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:42.299
Yeah, I think I think it's mostly makeup.

658
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:47.700
And then, um, they, the, I think the big CG component might be the

659
00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:48.180
eyes.

660
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:48.539
Right.

661
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.140
Right.

662
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.079
I mean, I think it looks, it looks great, you know, like her hair

663
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.740
looks like wood shavings and stuff like that.

664
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.039
I think it's a great costume, but there is something slightly

665
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.460
ridiculous about David Suchet staring into her face when she's

666
00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:06.299
covered in rubber and welling up and stuff.

667
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.220
I just couldn't buy it.

668
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:09.599
It was just a little bit too stupid.

669
00:29:09.660 --> 00:29:15.000
But also, you don't revert. we don't revert to our childhood cells

670
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:16.500
when we're talking to our mothers.

671
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:17.220
No.

672
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:18.420
Do you know what I mean?

673
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.079
You're still, he still lived for however many decades he's lived.

674
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:23.339
Yeah, yeah.

675
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:27.539
I think I think the idea is that they, he's, and that's the other

676
00:29:27.539 --> 00:29:27.839
thing.

677
00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:30.480
Like everyone's parents die.

678
00:29:30.539 --> 00:29:31.440
Do you know what I mean?

679
00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:34.200
Like, it's like, this is a thing that happens to everyone.

680
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:39.660
And like people don't go on like decades on killing sprees as a

681
00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:39.900
result.

682
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:41.099
It's terrible.

683
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.960
That's the reference. right.

684
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:46.259
But it's terrible and it's sad and then we get over it and it

685
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:49.079
seems to me that it's sort of young people who haven't experienced

686
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.319
any kind of particular loss writing a story like that.

687
00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:54.000
It just seems ridiculous.

688
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:56.819
Like, look at, yes, you know, and Frankenstein as well.

689
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:57.599
Do you know what I mean?

690
00:29:57.660 --> 00:30:01.380
Victor Frankenstein creates the monster who is also called

691
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:02.400
Frankenstein.

692
00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:08.339
Don't acne. of the death of his mother.

693
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:09.539
Do you know what I mean?

694
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:11.460
I've seen the brain of Morbius.

695
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:11.819
I know.

696
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:16.440
So, so, you know, like, it's a thing, but it always just sits

697
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.380
really, like, it's, I think it's stupid.

698
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.380
But especially from the time you're talking about because, you

699
00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:24.119
know, it's basically what, the 30s?

700
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:24.660
Yeah, yeah.

701
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.900
I mean, it doesn't happen now as much.

702
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.180
But back then, you know, people would just die.

703
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:34.259
Like people could be 35 years old and get some kind of illness and

704
00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:34.500
die.

705
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:37.859
Yeah, who had a big family and 2 would have died in childbirth.

706
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.220
Yeah, and I mean, we're probably talking a bit slightly after that

707
00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:43.799
I think, when this is it, but it's more to the point that being a

708
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:45.839
child of that ear and having your mother die when you're still a

709
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:47.339
child is not that unusual.

710
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:48.599
No, no, no, no.

711
00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:49.619
Like, it happens now.

712
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.759
It's happening.

713
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.079
It does still happen.

714
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:53.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

715
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:55.259
But people get over it.

716
00:30:55.380 --> 00:30:57.599
And so I just find it hard to have...

717
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.740
There's a lot of sympathy coming through.

718
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.839
No, no, no, no.

719
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:02.640
No, but I know what you mean.

720
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:03.480
No, but I know what you mean.

721
00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:06.420
That's what I'm saying. just a bit unsatisfactory. looking for an

722
00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:07.799
explanation as to why this is all happening.

723
00:31:07.859 --> 00:31:10.140
That's right You've got to go in knowing how your story's going to

724
00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:12.180
end, and it feels like they created this situation, then try

725
00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:12.900
desperately.

726
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:13.619
And then try to work out.

727
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:14.940
How are we going to wrap this up?

728
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:16.680
That's what I was taking vibes off.

729
00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:20.339
It's also the unsatisfactory nature of the landlord's character is

730
00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:23.339
I think he's presents as alien, the way that he kind of deals with

731
00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:24.839
things as alien, not human.

732
00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:26.940
Or at least possessed by aliens.

733
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:27.299
Yes.

734
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:28.079
Yeah, yeah.

735
00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:30.720
I mean, the doctor immediately clocks that he's not from the

736
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.180
present, which I thought was pretty good.

737
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.019
And I do, I do love the prime ministers that he mentioned

738
00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:38.099
including Harriet Jones.

739
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.200
Harriet Jones.

740
00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:45.119
But the other thing that really gives me the erits is this thing

741
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:46.799
that everybody has to come back to life.

742
00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:47.880
Yeah.

743
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.980
It just, you know, it had such a great cold open where, you know, a

744
00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:56.519
classic kind of opening sequence where the, well, like not quite

745
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.900
the opening sequence, but where Parvel is killed, that's vintage

746
00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:01.380
Doctor Who.

747
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:02.640
That's what we're here for.

748
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:05.640
That's for that 1st scene scene before you cut to the Tartar scene

749
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.799
or you cut to the Tartarus materialising where it is.

750
00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:09.900
You know, it's the scream that kind of goes to that.

751
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:13.920
And I just can't we do it so that, okay, some of them die and then

752
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:14.640
some of them survive.

753
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:15.480
Absolutely.

754
00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:16.740
You want Harry to come back to life.

755
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:17.640
That would have been terrible.

756
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:19.319
No, but everybody else can die.

757
00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:19.740
Well.

758
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.380
No, no, he hasn't died. he should be the one who actually doesn't

759
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:22.980
die in the 1st place.

760
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:24.660
I think just once they're absorbed, they should just die.

761
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:25.079
Right.

762
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.059
Like, I think it's a massive cheat.

763
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.339
So we want to have deaths and we want it to be a horror film, but

764
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:30.599
we don't want to actually kill anyone.

765
00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:31.500
What are they frightened of?

766
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.980
Well, I think that Bill becomes a less convincing character if

767
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:36.180
she's so traumatised.

768
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.019
Like if all of her friends die in this flat share, then it's that

769
00:32:40.019 --> 00:32:42.420
question that we asked about Sarah.

770
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.000
Why doesn't she just punch the doctor in the face and then leaves

771
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:45.599
him forever?

772
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.859
Yes, but I fundamentally disagree with that.

773
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.500
As you're fond of saying, it's a television show.

774
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:53.880
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's not actually real.

775
00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:57.960
I think if you're concerned about that aspect of it, then you have

776
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.839
they're not all her friends, like she's close to 2 of them, but

777
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:02.759
then the other 3 of them are their friends and she kind of knows

778
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.740
them, but, you know, so she doesn't really care as much.

779
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.980
But, you know, obviously in Doctor Who.

780
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:12.180
Well, less so now, but you know, people die in Doctor Who.

781
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.880
And the companion and the doctor just move on to the next episode

782
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:15.960
where yet more people die.

783
00:33:16.019 --> 00:33:17.880
And then yet more people die in the next episode and it's just

784
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:20.940
something that is part of the show and we shouldn't get hung up

785
00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:22.680
about how a real person would actually react.

786
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:26.039
Yeah, I've seen Tegan in Resurrection of the Daleks.

787
00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:27.059
Well, yeah.

788
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.539
Well, I do think, though, that it's different to turn up in a

789
00:33:30.539 --> 00:33:34.559
space based somewhere, like next week, and have people die

790
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.779
compared to like Cherie.

791
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:42.480
And like having Shareen die is great because it gives Pearl a

792
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:43.920
great acting moment.

793
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:47.160
Like, I think her reaction is really good and her reaction when

794
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.279
the doctor comes in and she says what's happened to her and

795
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:50.579
stuff.

796
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.940
I think that's a great performance, but I would have hated those

797
00:33:53.940 --> 00:33:55.500
characters to die.

798
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.339
And so I think that there's something misconceived about it.

799
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:00.900
You need to do something different.

800
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:02.220
It doesn't work as it stands.

801
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:05.099
But that's what I'm saying is if you just have, there are 5 of

802
00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:07.319
them apart from Bill, you have 3 of them die.

803
00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:08.400
Yeah, yeah.

804
00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:10.500
Yeah, 2 of them die. one of them comes back to life.

805
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:11.099
Do you know what I mean?

806
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:12.360
And the other 2 don't.

807
00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:15.960
It's the fact that they all get eaten and then they all come

808
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:16.199
back.

809
00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:17.519
It's just tiresome.

810
00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:20.820
I think it's that weird hangup that modern Doctor Who has that you

811
00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:23.820
can't show violence to children because they might be impacted by

812
00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:24.179
it.

813
00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:25.079
They might replicate it.

814
00:34:25.139 --> 00:34:27.480
They don't go out to find some wood lized.

815
00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:31.559
I mean, you can't have Mr. Sin stabbing somebody because that

816
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.719
might, you know, that might traumatise people, whereas you can

817
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:35.159
show someone being blown up by a laser.

818
00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:38.099
I think it's you don't want to show, and I don't agree with this.

819
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.639
I think that they didn't want to show Bill's lovely friends being

820
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:45.300
killed and not brought back to life, whereas next week in oxygen, a

821
00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:47.639
bunch of people in space and space suits is fine because kids

822
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:48.420
don't relate to that.

823
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.800
I think that's what the thinking is.

824
00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:51.420
I don't agree with it, but I think that's what it is.

825
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.119
That's definitely what it is. and I think that's it's pulling its

826
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:54.719
ridiculous.

827
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:55.440
Yeah, it's stupid.

828
00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:58.739
I think not traumatising Beale is worth doing.

829
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.539
I think that that's the problem.

830
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.139
I think that there's no way that Bill doesn't leave after that

831
00:35:04.139 --> 00:35:07.920
experience if it happens to her friends and that's the problem.

832
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:09.960
When she goes somewhere else, it's fine.

833
00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:14.820
Even when that little kid gets eaten by tiny last week.

834
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.139
Do you know what I think it would actually really work quite well

835
00:35:19.139 --> 00:35:22.199
as is actually a companion introduction story.

836
00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:24.059
Ah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

837
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.579
And she's the survivor of the share house.

838
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.460
Either she's the one of the survivors. the Vicky.

839
00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:31.079
Yeah.

840
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:36.239
Not the parallel I was reaching.

841
00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:37.619
Great, yes.

842
00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:40.380
Sandy the Woodlouse.

843
00:35:40.739 --> 00:35:45.239
So you may be relieved to know that it was originally far worse

844
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.139
and everyone the house had ever consumed was going to come back to

845
00:35:49.139 --> 00:35:50.280
life in the early draft.

846
00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:52.920
And then it's like, how is she getting managing from them?

847
00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:53.340
Yeah, exactly.

848
00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:55.139
Anything consumed by Eliza.

849
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:57.840
Yeah, and yeah, and then the doctor just says, don't worry

850
00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.280
everyone, I'll take you home in the TARDIS.

851
00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:01.500
I'd like to dance around on the pavement outside saying

852
00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:02.460
everybody...

853
00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:03.360
Well that worked once.

854
00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:03.900
Yes.

855
00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:10.500
I mean, we actually saw Eliza absorb the energy when Shareen

856
00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:11.639
gets...

857
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.440
Yes, she gets exhilarated.

858
00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:14.820
Yeah, so we saw that happen.

859
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:15.420
Yes.

860
00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:19.079
And like we did have that dialogue from the landlord about how

861
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.980
powerful was in the walls that he existed in the house.

862
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.260
And so it sort of sells it.

863
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.059
But how does this work?

864
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:28.440
Parvel, let's just say Parvel.

865
00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:31.739
Parvel is absorbed into the wall and then the wall, the house is

866
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:34.380
what feeds, feeds Liza.

867
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.960
Or is it the fact that the lice then take it from the wall and

868
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.659
then like crawl into a mouth.

869
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:40.559
I mean, I don't know.

870
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:44.280
I don't know, you're right. doesn't really matter, but it's like

871
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.800
so is it the house that's absorbing people or is it the lice

872
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.619
that's eating people and feeding that energy to Eliza?

873
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.380
I know it doesn't really matter, but it's the kind of thing you

874
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:52.800
think of.

875
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:54.480
If you're thinking of it when you're watching the episode.

876
00:36:54.539 --> 00:36:56.039
They've got a problem.

877
00:36:56.099 --> 00:37:00.599
There is a line, I think, where it said that the house is

878
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:04.739
basically made up of the lice at this point, and of course, yeah

879
00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:06.539
when the house...

880
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:07.500
Yeah, the wood is the lies.

881
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.679
And then, of course, the house collapses, you know, when the light

882
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:11.820
is destroyed.

883
00:37:13.139 --> 00:37:15.239
How are they destroyed?

884
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:16.320
I don't.

885
00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:22.320
This is something that material was filmed for, I presume the CG

886
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:23.159
wasn't done for it.

887
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:31.079
So in the original ending, we cut to a few weeks later and cut

888
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:35.039
back to the house, and it's basically the same shape, but in a

889
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.219
better state of repair, and the 6 of them are living there again

890
00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:44.280
and the doctor explains that Eliza and the landlord are now in the

891
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.460
walls, but they're at peace because they've accepted their fate.

892
00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:52.380
And Bill's like, yeah, well, Paul dropped his keys down the grate

893
00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:55.860
last week, and then they were sitting on the And, you know, all

894
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:58.920
these things keep happening and the doctor's like, if a house can

895
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.840
turn against you, it can also look after you.

896
00:38:00.900 --> 00:38:02.820
That's why some places feel comfortable.

897
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:08.159
Maybe I'm wrong and the Dyads are originally all here from Earth.

898
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:11.579
And they decided, no, we need to see more about the vault.

899
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:16.619
So we'll cut that and put in stuff around the vault and just say

900
00:38:16.619 --> 00:38:19.920
it's okay, Bill, you go back to your foster mother who, in a

901
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.639
deleted scene, has already...

902
00:38:23.699 --> 00:38:26.099
Yeah, her room before she moves to the gym.

903
00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:29.880
Well, I mean, I think I think we've been saved that kind of

904
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.199
happily ever after ending, actually.

905
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.920
Well, I actually do like all 6 of them there going, what the hell

906
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:35.760
are we going to do?

907
00:38:35.820 --> 00:38:37.139
It's just quite fun.

908
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.239
Just going back to that thing that Bill would leave if they all

909
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:57.239
died, and fine, OK, if we're going to live in that universe, that's

910
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:57.539
a thing.

911
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.300
But the universe we are living in, though, now is a very different

912
00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:04.679
universe to the one that Sarah Jane was living in because Bill is

913
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:06.599
still living on Earth.

914
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.559
And she just goes on trips with a doctor from time to time because

915
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.480
a doctor and Nardo are guarding the vault.

916
00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:15.300
So it's not that classic series thing where they're just going

917
00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:16.500
from place to place to place to place.

918
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:18.900
And then every now and again having tear of the zygons or

919
00:39:18.900 --> 00:39:19.079
something.

920
00:39:19.139 --> 00:39:19.920
Do you know what I mean?

921
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:20.280
Yeah.

922
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.019
So it's a bit different.

923
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.179
Yeah, like a so it's sort of like the purple era.

924
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.840
But you well, yes, but I don't get the impression that Joe Grant

925
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:29.340
is living in a shared house somewhere.

926
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:29.820
No.

927
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.159
She's they're all living on barracks.

928
00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:33.059
Oh do you think?

929
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:33.840
I think so yes.

930
00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:34.800
He's got a lovely flat.

931
00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:37.380
Yeah, lovely flat Kensington.

932
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:39.780
Uncle's money.

933
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.739
Let's talk about the final vault scene.

934
00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:48.659
This is not the 1st time this will happen, and Eaters of Lied gets

935
00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:51.900
its ending kind of written by Moffat.

936
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:53.940
This scene's clearly written by Moffat, I think.

937
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.519
And I think the thing that really... almost like the next episode

938
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:56.940
started.

939
00:39:57.059 --> 00:39:59.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, in the 80s, you know.

940
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.519
I was thinking of the 60s, actually.

941
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:03.420
Okay, yes.

942
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.519
Yeah, it's like we're being inside something.

943
00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:07.619
What's the end of Aztecs?

944
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.960
So we're on top of something?

945
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:11.460
Or inside something?

946
00:40:11.579 --> 00:40:12.599
Exactly.

947
00:40:12.659 --> 00:40:13.559
Thank you very question.

948
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:19.260
It is very cute. and I do think the way that the doctor sells it

949
00:40:19.260 --> 00:40:24.000
by telling Missy, it's a story about a house inhabited by wood

950
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.800
lice and lots of young people getting.

951
00:40:25.860 --> 00:40:27.659
Yes, yes, that's get eaten.

952
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:28.679
It's even better.

953
00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:30.599
I think that's actually when you sort of know.

954
00:40:30.659 --> 00:40:31.559
Oh, it's definitely missy.

955
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.139
I think so.

956
00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:39.659
That's right, because the Hoovians show was having their

957
00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:42.420
speculation each week about what's in the vault and I think we

958
00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:43.440
were going, no, it's just missing.

959
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:44.280
It's just missing.

960
00:40:44.340 --> 00:40:46.019
It's a pteraleptol.

961
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:49.019
Yeah, it's funny because I wanted the door to open and there

962
00:40:49.019 --> 00:40:49.980
stands a sea double.

963
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.519
I'm blacking like seven.

964
00:40:55.019 --> 00:40:56.519
Exactly.

965
00:41:20.579 --> 00:41:23.639
Well, David, sir, that's all the time we had for this week.

966
00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:26.940
We'll be back next week to help the proletariat seize the means of

967
00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:30.360
production in space in oxygen.

968
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.440
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

969
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.619
and you can keep up with us on our website, flightthroughentirety

970
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:40.679
com, where you'll find our social media links, as well as links to

971
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.639
all of our other podcasts, including our other Doctor Who podcasts

972
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.659
500-year diary, and the 2nd grade and bountiful human empire.

973
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:53.099
Until next time, remember that you can't really process your grief

974
00:41:53.099 --> 00:41:55.739
in a healthy way by killing a whole bunch of people.

975
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.320
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

976
00:41:58.380 --> 00:42:00.059
Spoil sport.

977
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:00.480
Good night.

978
00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:02.039
Yeah, clearly you'd never tried it.

979
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:02.519
Good night.

980
00:42:02.579 --> 00:42:03.300
Bye-bye.

981
00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:15.420
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Peter

982
00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:17.519
Griffith, Brendan Jones, and Simon Moore.

983
00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:19.800
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

984
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:23.340
This episode, Pearl Clutching was recorded on the 25th of August

985
00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:26.280
2024 and released on the 6th of October.

986
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.260
If you've been affected by any of the issues raised in this

987
00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:35.400
program, not to worry, it's still October, and there's plenty of

988
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:39.480
time for you to order your mother a great big tub of polyurethane

989
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:40.139
gloss for Christmas.

990
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:49.440
I wonder whether that's the tag.

991
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:49.980
What do you think?

992
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.380
Did you already have a tag where we were telling you off?

993
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:56.699
No, but I think that the missy that like it needs to end with, oh

994
00:42:56.699 --> 00:42:58.320
you know, it's just obviously just missing.

995
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.239
I do like her piano playing.

996
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:06.780
Yeah, that's awesome too. when she finds out that...

997
00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:08.519
And I really like the fact that Parvel likes classical music.

998
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:08.880
Yeah.

999
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:09.840
And the wood lights.

1000
00:43:09.900 --> 00:43:12.719
But it has to be, can I say, it has to be someone with an Eastern

1001
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.159
European name to like classical music.

1002
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.440
Otherwise, they'd be... intolerable.

1003
00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:16.980
Exactly.

1004
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:20.159
Exactly.

1005
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:28.320
Actually, I have found the music from the teaser and that's going

1006
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:29.940
to be our...

1007
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.400
It's a real song, I realise.

1008
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:34.800
No, no, no, no.

1009
00:43:34.860 --> 00:43:35.760
Oh, you mean with parble?

1010
00:43:35.820 --> 00:43:37.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a real piece of music.

1011
00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:39.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1012
00:43:39.539 --> 00:43:41.699
No, the song from the beginning is Little Mix.

1013
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:43.980
It's the people that Bill is embarrassed.

1014
00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:45.420
Oh, right, I don't.

1015
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:46.860
I don't know who that is.

1016
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.739
I don't either. popping into music.

1017
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.320
That makes just a bunch of young people who get killed.

1018
00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:53.340
Exactly.

1019
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:55.500
Well, what do you think?

1020
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:56.460
How long have we gone for?

1021
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.159
Do you know 51?

1022
00:43:59.219 --> 00:44:00.239
I think we've gone for long enough.

1023
00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:04.199
Do you remember back in the day, like our episode on 42 is

1024
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.599
literally 42 minutes and 0 seconds long?

1025
00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:07.559
That was deliberate.

1026
00:44:07.619 --> 00:44:11.039
Yeah, I know, but it was conceivable that we do a 42 minute

1027
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:11.460
episode.

1028
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.460
Yes, whereas now then, some might say...

1029
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.519
Some might say that 42 was 42 minutes too long.

1030
00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:18.420
Yeah, terrible.

1031
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:24.059
Could I just mention something that can go back in the horror

1032
00:44:24.059 --> 00:44:24.539
discussion?

1033
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:25.019
Yeah.

1034
00:44:25.019 --> 00:44:26.940
Oh, my God.

1035
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:28.739
The noise in the walls.

1036
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.579
There is one other horror film that may be being somewhat emulated

1037
00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:40.380
here, but perhaps not consciously or even desirably.

1038
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:45.659
Has anyone ever heard of the film Deathbed, The Bed That Eats?

1039
00:44:45.780 --> 00:44:47.699
I confess I have not.

1040
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:48.239
No.

1041
00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:50.099
I've stayed in some hotels which...

1042
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:56.099
So it's a 1977 horror film.

1043
00:44:56.159 --> 00:45:00.900
And I'll just read you the start of the plot summary from

1044
00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:01.679
Wikipedia.

1045
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:06.000
In 1897, a demon fell in love with a woman and conjured up a bed

1046
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.159
onto which on which to make love to her.

1047
00:45:08.219 --> 00:45:12.840
The woman died, and in his grief the demon wept tears of blood

1048
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:14.579
which fell on the bed and brought it to life.

1049
00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:18.480
When the demon is awake, the bed's evil runs rampant, as it

1050
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:22.619
physically eats human beings every 10 years, when the demon sleeps

1051
00:45:22.619 --> 00:45:24.900
and it is left dormant until it awakes once more.

1052
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.699
Only one man, an artist, was spared, as the bed condemned him to

1053
00:45:29.699 --> 00:45:33.119
immortality behind a painting, where he must forever witness the

1054
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:34.500
bed, taking victims.

1055
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:39.539
And then there's 4 vignettes in the film, which contrived to get

1056
00:45:39.539 --> 00:45:43.320
various people to fall asleep on this bed, after which they are

1057
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:43.679
eaten.

1058
00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:44.880
So it doesn't chase you.

1059
00:45:44.940 --> 00:45:46.980
Like, it doesn't chase you down the corridor or anything.

1060
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:48.599
No you have to get onto it.

1061
00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:50.760
Goodness, I must watch that film, never.

1062
00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:55.860
It's, I've seen it. really bad.

1063
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.840
You astound me.

1064
00:46:00.900 --> 00:46:01.800
Oh, dear.

1065
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:06.719
I think that takes us out to the next...

1066
00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:08.519
That's perfect.

1067
00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:10.199
All right.

1068
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:11.099
Well, we might wind up.

1069
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:12.900
I'll go for one of my patented quick weed.

1070
00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:15.119
I just had a message... saying she's arrived at the station.

1071
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:17.039
Okay, so you go and pick her up.

1072
00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:17.699
I'll let you out.

1073
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.280
I'll do a wee, we'll do a whole thing, and then we have Cade at

1074
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:21.119
the at the thing.

1075
00:46:21.179 --> 00:46:21.420
Okay.

1076
00:46:21.420 --> 00:46:21.780
All right.

1077
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:22.440
Thank you, Brandon.

1078
00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:23.340
I'm going to Bradstock.

1079
00:46:23.699 --> 00:46:24.179
Thank you, chat.

1080
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:24.960
Send me the suit.

1081
00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:25.559
Send me the audio.

1082
00:46:25.619 --> 00:46:26.760
I will.

1083
00:46:26.820 --> 00:46:27.420
Okay.

1084
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:28.079
All right.

1085
00:46:28.139 --> 00:46:28.800
See you, sweetheart.

1086
00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:29.219
Bye.

1087
00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:29.820
Bye.