WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:01:10 1 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:49.079 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight for Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that was even here to welcome the First Man on the Moon. 2 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:51.539 Or I was anyway. 3 00:00:51.659 --> 00:00:53.520 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:53.579 --> 00:00:54.539 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:55.619 I'm James. 6 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:56.880 And I'm Simon. 7 00:00:56.939 --> 00:01:05.760 Well, the monks are here for their 3rd episode in a row, and this week it's with their customary blend of hardcore exposition and theocratic fascism. 8 00:01:05.819 --> 00:01:10.019 We'll see how that works out as we discuss the lie of the land. 9 00:01:26.700 --> 00:01:33.659 So, I'm even more convinced by this episode that the monks are scary religious leaders. 10 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:40.739 It's not an accident that they're called the monks, and it's not an accident that they first appear in an episode with the Catholic Church. 11 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:46.260 We have Bill wearing a skirt at the beginning of this episode. 12 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:47.099 Am I right? 13 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:48.000 Did you notice that? 14 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.299 I just saw all the 1984 style overall. 15 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:52.739 Yes, yeah. 16 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.099 Certainly the dark colours thing, like the muted colours thing. 17 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:15.599 There are often religious restrictions about what kind of clothing you're allowed to wear and Christianity even has some stuff in the New Testament about not wearing flashy clothing or baubles or anything like that, not decorating yourself too much, and you think about things like, you know, the Amish and so on. 18 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:25.919 And so what we have is a group of people who've arrived on earth in the middle of a catastrophe in which you're all going to be destroyed and they decide if you love and obey them. 19 00:02:25.979 --> 00:02:30.539 They are going to save you and look after you for the rest of time. 20 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:37.500 And they do that by telling various lies about history and the way things actually happen in the past. 21 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:45.180 And so it does seem very, very much like Moffatt has still not finished with his stuff about the Anglican Marines. 22 00:02:45.180 --> 00:02:49.800 And this is another version of that. 23 00:02:49.860 --> 00:02:53.039 It's another kind of thing about religion. 24 00:02:53.099 --> 00:03:05.159 Yes, though, I mean, the concept of the monks was actually devised by Harness for the middle episode and that it was expanded into a trilogy. 25 00:03:05.219 --> 00:03:06.539 Expanded in both directions. 26 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:07.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 27 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:11.460 So like he came up with the concept for what became Pyramid at the end of the world. 28 00:03:11.580 --> 00:03:15.599 I think it was originally called Alien Invasion number 122. 29 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:16.439 Right. 30 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:18.479 Not pyramid and made up a stand. 31 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.919 And then Moffat went, oh, this is a good idea. 32 00:03:22.979 --> 00:03:27.780 Let's expand the concept and I think it works really well as a trilogy. 33 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:28.680 Yeah I do too. 34 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:29.639 I think it works. 35 00:03:29.699 --> 00:03:30.599 I think it's fine. 36 00:03:30.659 --> 00:03:32.520 Look, I had a bit of a todd experience here. 37 00:03:32.580 --> 00:03:37.020 I enjoyed it more than I did when it was 1st on and I haven't seen them since. 38 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:38.580 I don't think they're brilliant. 39 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:39.300 I think they're fine. 40 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.159 They're interesting, they're cool. 41 00:03:41.219 --> 00:03:43.439 They've got some good bits. 42 00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:44.520 The monks are well realised. 43 00:03:44.580 --> 00:03:47.219 They're a bit gross, you know, it's not to like. what you want. 44 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:48.419 That's what you want. what you want. 45 00:03:48.479 --> 00:04:02.280 And it's got a certain I can't remember when did the television series of Handmaid's Tales start because even though there's none of the handmade type bit in it, there is something about, as you were saying, like with the colours and everything being drab and sort of depressing, which is reminiscent of that series as well. 46 00:04:02.340 --> 00:04:09.599 Yeah, I think it's, you know, putting that kind of theocracy into the modern day world. 47 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:14.039 So having people like us, but they're living under this sort of terrifying theocracy. 48 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:18.000 And I think that the Handmaid's Tale obviously does that, and this does that as well. 49 00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:21.180 Handmaid's Tale premieres in April 2017. 50 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:22.139 Okay. 51 00:04:23.459 --> 00:04:25.860 Before, I mean, just slightly before. 52 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:28.319 Yeah, literally, literally, the production couple of months. 53 00:04:28.379 --> 00:04:29.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 54 00:04:29.100 --> 00:04:31.920 Production wise, it had started about a year before that. 55 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:33.300 Yeah. 56 00:04:33.300 --> 00:04:35.699 I mean, it's in the air and Doctor Who has always slightly done that. 57 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:40.560 Russell is sort of fairly suspicious of religion, but doesn't make a big thing of it. 58 00:04:40.620 --> 00:04:44.639 No, but I think in any science fiction fantasy type program. 59 00:04:44.699 --> 00:04:54.300 Religion's not going to sit well because as soon as you have races from all over the universe and all over time, the idea of a deity starts to become a bit inconsistent with all that. 60 00:04:54.360 --> 00:05:03.000 And I think that I think that religion can only ever be seen as a bit old-fashioned or silly or made up, basically. 61 00:05:03.060 --> 00:05:19.259 Yeah, I think the best treatment of any Doctor Who is in the rebus operation where, you know, you have Binro, the heretic and the doctor saying, no, you're kind of free thinking is all correct, and there are no gods, no eyes gods, no fire gods, in an episode that introduces the black and white guardians. 62 00:05:19.259 --> 00:05:20.699 That's true. 63 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:21.899 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 64 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:23.639 So it's always sort of a fun thing to do. 65 00:05:23.699 --> 00:05:26.519 But as far as the politics of religion are concerned. 66 00:05:26.579 --> 00:05:29.279 You know, Moffat, I think, is much more interested in that. 67 00:05:29.339 --> 00:05:30.959 Well, the politics of the religion. 68 00:05:31.019 --> 00:05:32.040 Yeah, yeah, certainly. 69 00:05:32.100 --> 00:05:47.939 I think one thing that Doctor Who does do in terms of religion is that it almost universally comes down on the side of faith, whether that be religious or something else. like even going back to Hartnell. 70 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:57.120 Hartnell's doctor often talks about how he dreams the universe can be, and you know, our destiny is in the stars. 71 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:01.860 And Binro is presented as having faith in science. 72 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:10.379 And even Leila talks about, you know, science, science and rationality, having faith in it over religion. 73 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:20.160 And here, the characters are attempting to have faith in what they know to be true compared to what they've been told is the truth. 74 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:23.040 And especially under Moffat, as you say, Nathan. 75 00:06:23.100 --> 00:06:43.620 I think that's why the stories that deal with religion never come across as sort of attacking religion with a big stick, but it's more saying, let's talk about religion and let's talk about what appeals to humans with it, let's talk about how it can be used beneficially, and how it can be misused. 76 00:06:43.860 --> 00:06:53.339 And I just think that's a really interesting way to do it that provides a great backdrop to this and arguably extremists a couple of weeks ago as well. 77 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:58.019 Yes, it's that it's better to believe in science, says Lena. 78 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:08.939 But it's interesting, though, that religion, as there are sort of 2 ways one can sort of view religion and one is to be actually religious and sort of actually believe it all. 79 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:11.459 The other is religion is culture. 80 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:18.000 Religion is cultural backdrop, and I think that's where I actually think that's where religion can actually be most beneficial. 81 00:07:18.060 --> 00:07:25.740 It's the kind of the cultural trimmings that help add to the flavour of particular nations and particular societies. 82 00:07:25.860 --> 00:07:33.600 And I think that's what you do see in Doctor Who throughout the time is religion as a cultural phenomenon rather than an actual belief system per se. 83 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:38.579 It's like that, yes, prime minister thing about, you know, we have to divide the bishops between those who believe in God and those who don't. 84 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.100 You know, it's the bells and smells. 85 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.959 And I think I think it's that thing that we all always witnesses when people do take the religion too seriously. 86 00:07:46.019 --> 00:07:50.459 That's when things go horribly wrong, whether it's in the United States or, you know, Iran or wherever. 87 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:51.180 Yeah. 88 00:07:51.180 --> 00:07:51.720 Yeah. 89 00:07:51.779 --> 00:07:52.259 Yeah. 90 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:54.480 And certainly that's what we have here, isn't it? 91 00:07:54.540 --> 00:07:56.519 We have a very definite theocracy. 92 00:07:56.579 --> 00:07:58.259 We have statues on every corner. 93 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:02.939 We have people in robes. who say that they care for us who want to be loved. 94 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:17.040 And of course, we have that opening sequence where we have that film, which is beautifully narrated. showing us how the monks have been there all throughout our history and we into cars. 95 00:08:17.100 --> 00:08:23.100 Yeah, we intercut with the memory police coming to that house and taking the mother away. 96 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.399 But it's brilliant how the mother says, no, they've actually, haven't been here for, they've only been here for a few months. 97 00:08:26.459 --> 00:08:27.240 Yeah, yeah. 98 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:28.079 And I think that that's great. 99 00:08:28.139 --> 00:08:32.100 It's obviously, so some people are, the conditioning process doesn't always work. 100 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:39.059 And I think it's really good because we don't quite know because I think we're blindsided at the end of the last episode. 101 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.580 I don't think we expect the monks to win. 102 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:45.899 At the end of Pyramid at the end of the world, the doctor really kind of defeats them, doesn't he? 103 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:55.679 You know, he prevents their catastrophe from happening, and then it's just Bill suddenly at the last minute, prolongs it and turns it into a trilogy sort of unexpectedly in a way that we didn't expect. 104 00:08:55.740 --> 00:09:03.360 And so when we come back and we see this film, we don't quite know what the status quo is going to be or how far forward in time we've jumped or anything. 105 00:09:03.419 --> 00:09:15.419 And so having something that seems obviously weird and wrong in the film and then having us see someone who is in the fiction of the show denying it, I think actually works really well. 106 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:28.559 I think the big problem with this episode is that it is absolutely full of exposition and starting it with a film explaining the story. so far. 107 00:09:28.620 --> 00:09:37.919 Like I think that that works, but it does become a feature of the episode in a way that I think makes it a little bit irritating. 108 00:09:37.980 --> 00:09:45.899 There's a much more interesting story there if the story was just this story. was just the lie of the land. 109 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:52.500 And, you know, the doctor and maybe the doctor and Bill arrive back to earth having been somewhere and the monks are here. always been here. 110 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:56.700 Everything's changed and we kind of then find out how it's all happened and it was told that way. 111 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:58.740 This is a trilogy. 112 00:09:58.799 --> 00:09:59.879 This is not a three-part story. 113 00:09:59.940 --> 00:10:00.899 It is a trilogy. 114 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:08.279 It is an episode followed by an episode followed by an episode, which obviously they do all interrelate, but there is a gap of time between each one. 115 00:10:08.340 --> 00:10:09.899 They're in different settings, really. 116 00:10:09.899 --> 00:10:11.820 They're in different, completely different time spaces. 117 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:18.360 Like there's months between the 2nd and 3rd one, for instance, I would have loved to have seen that more traditionally told version. 118 00:10:18.419 --> 00:10:19.919 Yeah, although. 119 00:10:19.980 --> 00:10:25.980 I have to say, and I think we said this last week as well, that this does serialisation pretty well. 120 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:32.759 So you get the 3 parts, 3 little vignettes from an alien invasion, so they're being the preparation. 121 00:10:32.820 --> 00:10:35.519 They arrival and then the final defeat. 122 00:10:35.580 --> 00:10:37.080 So like the Android invasion. 123 00:10:37.139 --> 00:10:38.399 Well, yes, yeah, exactly. 124 00:10:38.460 --> 00:10:41.220 Like episodes one to 3 of the Android Invasion. 125 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:42.120 I said last week. 126 00:10:42.179 --> 00:10:43.559 Yeah, right, okay. 127 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:45.840 The monks are borrowing from the kraal. 128 00:10:45.899 --> 00:10:48.779 Yes, exactly. taking the concept a little further. 129 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:58.080 He also does that thing that Moffatt often does with multipart stories where the pickup from the week before. is a complete shift. 130 00:10:58.139 --> 00:10:59.580 Yes, it's a shift. 131 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:01.740 Which is the right move, I think. 132 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.139 You wouldn't want it just to be one continuous... 133 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:05.700 It wouldn't work so well as an omnibus. 134 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:06.539 No. 135 00:11:06.539 --> 00:11:08.519 Yeah, although that's not what you said. 136 00:11:08.580 --> 00:11:09.419 Oh, no, no, actually. 137 00:11:09.419 --> 00:11:12.360 Did I say that it should be an omnibus or did I say? 138 00:11:12.419 --> 00:11:14.759 No, no, you said you watched it as an omnibus. 139 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:17.519 I watched it as an omnibus and watching it back to back. 140 00:11:17.580 --> 00:11:19.679 It helped together much more consistently. 141 00:11:19.740 --> 00:11:20.340 Okay, interesting. 142 00:11:20.340 --> 00:11:24.120 The point I was trying to make last week was as a trilogy. 143 00:11:24.179 --> 00:11:28.379 It holds together better watched in close proximity. 144 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:29.100 Interesting. 145 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:29.519 Yeah. 146 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:33.720 I mean, I think, you know, week by week it works quite well. 147 00:11:33.779 --> 00:11:44.820 And I do think that not knowing going in how many episodes it is works very well too, for the surprise ending of the pyramid at the end of the world. 148 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:53.519 What's missing for me to make it work properly is anything approaching an epic is to have a couple of characters that run through most of it. 149 00:11:53.580 --> 00:11:55.500 You've just got the regulars. 150 00:11:55.620 --> 00:11:58.379 And the monks, but the monks aren't characters. 151 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.419 Well, in fact, that's a problem here. 152 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:08.399 What we have is the woman, you know, the mother in that scene, the woman from the memory police, Richard, who's really hot on board the ship. 153 00:12:08.460 --> 00:12:09.120 On board the ship. 154 00:12:09.179 --> 00:12:09.899 And the papers. 155 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:11.940 Yeah, and then another guy... 156 00:12:12.059 --> 00:12:12.720 Oh, Alan. 157 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:13.259 Alan. 158 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.139 And that's really all this doesn't have a big guest cast. 159 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.059 And so it does feel like. 160 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:22.139 You could fit all of their dialogue on one A for page. for the entire thing. 161 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.320 That's okay because the rest of the dialogue is Capaldi. 162 00:12:25.379 --> 00:12:26.399 Exactly. 163 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.980 I have 3 words on that topic. 164 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.080 Where is Erica? 165 00:12:31.139 --> 00:12:31.980 Yes. 166 00:12:32.700 --> 00:12:35.039 Was she the woman in the 2nd episode? 167 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:36.000 Yes, the scientist. 168 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:36.960 Yes, yes. 169 00:12:37.019 --> 00:12:37.559 She fabulous. 170 00:12:37.620 --> 00:12:39.120 Yes, she was... 171 00:12:39.179 --> 00:12:39.659 Go pick her up. 172 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:42.000 What are you doing after a week? 173 00:12:42.059 --> 00:12:45.299 Apparently being put under the fascist jackboot without the doctor. 174 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:45.899 Okay. 175 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.539 I had forgotten about that for the rest of time. 176 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:07.919 What we have after that scene is we have the framing device, or not quite a framing device, but a kind of thematic thing, where Bill is talking to her mother. 177 00:13:07.980 --> 00:13:19.200 And so we have the scene of her in the flat and she makes the mother a cup of coffee and then she sits opposite her and then we see her and she's giving exposition. 178 00:13:19.259 --> 00:13:22.679 She's kind of filling her mother in on what's happened in the last 6 months. 179 00:13:22.740 --> 00:13:25.320 And I think all of that's fine. 180 00:13:25.379 --> 00:13:39.419 And then Nardal arrives, but she keeps doing it for the rest of the episode in a way that feels like they're not confident that they can tell the story because she's no, yeah, they're worried that it didn't quite make sense. 181 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:40.080 It doesn't land. 182 00:13:40.139 --> 00:13:44.039 So she's not talking to her mother about how she feels or anything like that. 183 00:13:44.100 --> 00:13:48.000 She's talking to her mother about what the plot things are. 184 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:49.320 Yes, exactly. 185 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:49.740 Right, right. 186 00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:55.559 And mother should be saying, I mean, I know a mother is imaginary at this point, but like, you know, it's like her mother should be saying, yes, yes, I know all this, dear. 187 00:13:55.620 --> 00:13:58.019 I've been living through it as well Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 188 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.419 As you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. 189 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:01.860 Yeah, yeah. 190 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:20.639 And and so all of the stuff about, you know, we've got this guy and his kid has been sentenced to hard labour and he's letting us on the boat and then we're going to go on the boat and then we're going to give our papers and all of that sort of thing, is all laboriously explained for us, even though we're watching it happen on television in front of us. 191 00:14:20.700 --> 00:14:26.279 And I think that that's a weakness, that that's something that should have been attended to. 192 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:38.700 And they just about get away with it because, you know, we start with the mother, the resolution involves the mother, we need to be reminded of her perhaps all the way through, but I just think it's a problem. 193 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:39.480 Possibly too. 194 00:14:39.539 --> 00:14:41.519 Remind me, was there narration towards the end as well? 195 00:14:41.580 --> 00:14:42.840 It keeps going. 196 00:14:42.899 --> 00:14:43.740 It keeps going. 197 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:47.159 Well, no, I was wondering whether then maybe the narration's added in the middle section. 198 00:14:47.220 --> 00:14:57.360 Maybe it's because they were worried it wasn't going to make any sense, but maybe they were also worried that it'd be a bit weird to have narration here and then a gap and then no narration because if you if you fall out of the habit of listening to hearing the narration. 199 00:14:57.419 --> 00:14:58.620 It's a shock when it comes back. 200 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:00.299 Oh, my God, that's right. were having this. 201 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:11.039 I wonder from what you were saying, James and Brendan before about the fact that, you know, the monks are in the original middle episode and then it's they kind of expanded to create this trilogy. 202 00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:19.080 I wonder whether the grafting together of this just needed another couple of drafts to get it sorted. completely. 203 00:15:19.139 --> 00:15:21.179 I mean, it's fine, but it could be better, as you're saying. 204 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:23.700 So, yeah, so we touched on this last week. 205 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:27.539 This is at the time when Stephen Moffatt's mother is dying in hospital. 206 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:33.840 And so he was often redrafting and rewriting episodes by her bedside. 207 00:15:33.899 --> 00:15:41.519 Yeah, and I mean, Widhouse is not bad, and he has written some good episodes, and certainly things like Vampires of Venice and stuff like that. 208 00:15:41.580 --> 00:15:43.139 Like he can do a thing. 209 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.740 And he has run his own show at this point being human. 210 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:54.179 So, you know, he's an accomplished writer, but I do think he is perhaps more limited than Moffat or Harness. 211 00:15:54.299 --> 00:16:00.179 So he is relying, I think, too heavily on the voiceover. 212 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:08.220 And I always think the voiceover is the thing that you cut in the next draft, you know, like it's a very rightly thing and it's just like, this is TV. 213 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:09.600 You could just show us this stuff. 214 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:14.159 Yeah, they have voiceovers can be critiqued as lazy writing. 215 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:15.419 By some. 216 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:20.159 I don't necessarily agree with that because I think there are occasions where they work, but I think they just need to be done properly. 217 00:16:20.220 --> 00:16:24.360 And I think here it wreaks of how we're going to make this make sense. 218 00:16:24.419 --> 00:16:25.860 We'll just put in a voiceover. 219 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:37.500 Yeah, I think that that's the problem because I think that you could be confident that from that opening, which is itself very exposition-y and is very the story so far, here's what's happened over the last 6 months. 220 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:39.120 I think we'd get it. 221 00:16:39.179 --> 00:16:42.539 Like, I don't think we need a lot more explanation. 222 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:46.320 And so I'm not sure what's added by the voiceover. 223 00:16:46.379 --> 00:16:51.899 There's a reluctance, I think, in genre fiction, sometimes to just trust your audience to make sense of things. 224 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:57.659 And there are some members of the audience who get cross if it's not all spelled out for them. 225 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.240 And I think that that's a problem here. 226 00:17:00.299 --> 00:17:05.339 I think the trick is there's a happy medium point, median point there. 227 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:13.920 And that is, it's okay if not everyone's understanding what's going on, but those people have to be enjoying it on a different level because there's stuff happening. 228 00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:17.700 Oh, this is exciting or they really like that actual, that's a cool location. a fantastic effect. 229 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:19.500 And so they're enjoying it anyway. 230 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:22.140 It's like, oh, I'm quite, no, it's going on, but isn't it great? 231 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.299 Yeah, not as pretty and there's a lot happening. 232 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:25.259 Exactly. something like that. 233 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:32.460 Before we move off the arriving on the ship. 234 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:40.259 Was anyone having goodies vibes that the doctor was broadcasting from his pirate radio show outside the fire, outside the 5 mile limit? 235 00:17:40.500 --> 00:17:43.380 And now, a walk... 236 00:17:43.380 --> 00:17:45.299 Up to the mid of town... 237 00:17:45.299 --> 00:17:46.680 A walk, black, black forest. 238 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:53.940 My favourite bit of those seasons is when they're coming back on the ship. 239 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:57.720 Like full speed smashing into the wharf. 240 00:17:58.140 --> 00:18:01.799 And Capaldi is there at the at the prowl. 241 00:18:01.859 --> 00:18:09.660 Just laughing his head off with joy that he's, you know, he's coming back and he's going to defeat the earlier. 242 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:17.339 It makes up for that smile, that horrific smile that leading into the opening credits at the end of the film where he... 243 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:18.059 It's so cool. 244 00:18:18.180 --> 00:18:19.440 It's so good. 245 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:23.640 Isn't there like Clara tells him... no, no, no, not the smile. 246 00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:25.140 I'll tell you when you can smile. 247 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:30.539 Yeah, there's some line about how kind of horrifying Capaldi's smart. 248 00:18:30.900 --> 00:18:41.819 And we've seen a lot more genuine smiles from Capaldi since Bill came along, which, you know, of course, but that creepy smile at going into the credits is pretty wonderful. 249 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:46.259 So the episode is also very straightforward. 250 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:54.119 Like I just don't think it needs all of that scaffolding because it's basically, we've had 6 months. 251 00:18:54.180 --> 00:18:55.799 Nadol finds Bill. 252 00:18:55.859 --> 00:19:04.740 They have a plan, they go off to find the doctor on the boat, they meet the doctor, they join with him, and then they all go into the pyramid, and they defeat the monks. 253 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:13.019 I mean, it is very, very linear and very straightforward and much less complicated than either of the 2 previous stories. 254 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:18.240 I'm just not quite sure why we can't be trusted to work out what's going on for ourselves. 255 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:23.700 I sort of missed in this whole trilogy, what's in it for the monks? 256 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.220 What are they getting out of controlling the oath? 257 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:27.480 is it just, is it just the power? 258 00:19:27.539 --> 00:19:29.099 Is it just the control? 259 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:30.839 I think there's something missing there? 260 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:33.180 to explain why they do what they do. 261 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:37.440 You know, is it because they get some sort of sustenance from the worship? 262 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:39.539 Yeah, that's missing. 263 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:41.880 I mean, they're not mining the core of the planet or anything. 264 00:19:41.940 --> 00:19:51.539 So, you know, it needs to be, yeah, the adulation or the adoration is obviously feeding them somehow, but I think that's a concept that might have been lost. 265 00:19:51.660 --> 00:19:54.000 That is kind of interesting, isn't it? 266 00:19:54.059 --> 00:19:58.440 Like watching it this time through, they speak more often than I remember them speaking. 267 00:19:58.500 --> 00:20:02.160 So we do hear from them, but we don't hear from them very often. 268 00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:05.819 Like, maybe that's okay. 269 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:10.980 Like maybe, maybe not having them talk about their plans for victory and stuff. 270 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.799 We've had plenty of back. 271 00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:15.660 We can go back and watch... 272 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:22.079 No, no, but no, but you don't need the monks to say that you just need that moment as they're, you know, running through corridors. 273 00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:24.960 You have, you know, but why are the monks even here, says Bill. 274 00:20:25.019 --> 00:20:26.880 He says, it's because they're feeding on blah, blah, blah. 275 00:20:26.940 --> 00:20:28.319 You know, it says they need us for such and this. 276 00:20:28.380 --> 00:20:29.640 And it only needs to be like 15 seconds. 277 00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:30.180 Yeah. 278 00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:33.299 Or Nardol says it or something, you know. 279 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:41.579 Yeah, I think there's a point to me, mate, that there's a line towards the end of the episode and they actually make it more prominent in editing. 280 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:53.400 Originally they were, like when they go to invade the pyramid to defeat the monks, they were monks on guard who were going to be snipered by, I want to say Richard. 281 00:20:53.460 --> 00:20:55.859 No, or Alan. 282 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:58.740 One of the one with the hot one. 283 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:01.619 And they filmed that shot. 284 00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:09.599 And then they cut it in editing and included some dialogue from Nardol saying, you know, the whole the whole bit where... 285 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:11.220 The Tavarian neck pinch bit. 286 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:17.039 Well, no, no, we're not all looks at the pyramid and there's some sort of perception filter that makes him see... 287 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.299 See, there's lots and guarded. 288 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.599 And then the doctor's like, no, no, look again. 289 00:21:21.660 --> 00:21:29.160 And then there's there's no months because they are tricking us even to that point that there are many fewer months. 290 00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:31.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. on the planet. 291 00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:33.240 The invasion force was quite small. 292 00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:37.680 But it is actually a great meta reference to Doctor Who generally. you know, isn't the place a bit large for just 6 of you. 293 00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:38.519 You know, yeah, yeah. 294 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.400 It's that thing of like there's only ever 4 costumes. 295 00:21:41.819 --> 00:21:48.359 And there's that, that these, this is a like a dying race or a race that there aren't that many of them. 296 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:59.160 And so the reason why they have to use all this subterfusion deception and mind control is because there's only 12 of them on the planet. 297 00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:01.500 Maybe that's missed a bit. 298 00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:03.240 Like, why couldn't they explain that a bit better? 299 00:22:03.299 --> 00:22:08.819 But, yeah, like you have a throwaway line that, oh, there aren't that many of them. 300 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:10.799 This is why they're doing this. 301 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:12.839 And then it's basically over. 302 00:22:13.140 --> 00:22:18.839 I mean, I kind of think that it's okay to leave the space open for us to have that conversation, though. 303 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:34.140 I think, like, I think there is something undercooked about the monks generally, and I think in some respects, I think it's because they fail to properly commit to the idea that they're just weird maniac religious leaders and who knows why they do what they do. 304 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:36.240 But it is a problem. 305 00:22:36.299 --> 00:22:40.619 And because we hear from them so infrequently, we don't get much sense of them. 306 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.680 They're certainly not the silence or the weeping angels, aren't they? 307 00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:47.880 And that seems to be the kind of what we're going for with them. 308 00:22:48.480 --> 00:23:00.240 So, many years ago, in the year of broadcast, in fact, I wrote 3 essays for each of these 3 episodes for the fanzine celestial toy room. 309 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:05.940 And I was reading over my live, the land entry, because this is the one I was the most critical of at the time. 310 00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:11.880 And what I've written about the monks' motivations is the monks influence the world using telepathic suggestion. 311 00:23:11.940 --> 00:23:14.460 How many Doctor Who villains have used this type of method? 312 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:25.079 Well, there's the master, Rassalon, the master, every 2nd monster of the Hinchcliffe era, the master, the Sicorax, the Daleks, the Silence, and, in case you've forgotten, the master. 313 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:34.799 So I kind of come away going, not only do we not know what they really want, their methods are just something we've seen time and time again before. 314 00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:43.859 And it's like, why even have this dystopian 1984 world that you know is going to lead to resistance because you've conquered so many planets? 315 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:44.759 Why not go? 316 00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:46.799 I'm going to give everyone flying cars and a puppy. 317 00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:57.539 It's like, what I love about the point that you've just made there is that integral to this plot is that the master tells them how to defeat how to defeat the aliens. 318 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:15.660 We'll get onto the master in a second, but I do want to say that I think that the idea that they're creating an alternative history where they're responsible for all of human progress, where they've shepherded us and all of that sort of thing, like is a feature of religion to this day. 319 00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:17.640 Do you know what I mean? 320 00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:27.660 Like, there's a way of looking at human progress where essentially it's been telling religious people to just shut up for a minute while we get on with making our lives better. 321 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:41.400 But the alternative narrative, which is that, you know, religion is the source of kind of every human virtue and that it's a result of religion that we are able to live such full, rich and happy lives now. 322 00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:51.000 And I do think that those competing versions of history are kind of a unique feature of the monks, I think. 323 00:24:51.059 --> 00:24:55.799 Like that's why they're controlling us in order to sell that version of history. 324 00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:03.960 The actual inspiration for this story was the 2016 presidential election and all of the banging. 325 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:04.680 Fake New Central. 326 00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:09.059 Yes, fake essential. clearly a clear reference over the top. 327 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:11.279 This is a reaction against that. 328 00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:23.279 It's documented in DWM and maybe in the complete history as well. reacted to all of the... 329 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:27.839 Brennan's just holding up his copy of the complete history volume... 330 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:28.619 88? 331 00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:35.880 And grinning like Peter Capaldi on a ship about to crash into a wharf and kill those 2 blokes because they can't run that fast. 332 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:45.000 And, you know, I think the sort of clumsy sort of statement at the end does that a disservice. 333 00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:53.099 Like there's something to say there about denial of reality and denial of facts. 334 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:55.980 So it would have been better if we didn't focus a little more on that, rather. 335 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:57.059 Yeah. 336 00:25:57.059 --> 00:25:58.619 And we touched on this last week. 337 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:03.539 Originally, those 3 military leaders were supposed to be the actual leaders of the country. 338 00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:12.240 And one of them was a Trump analogue, but for BBC, poo-pooh, that idea, because it was probably a little too political. 339 00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:13.140 Yeah, yeah. 340 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:50.519 So I think perhaps we've talked about the weaknesses of the episode, but I do think that there is a scene which is actively unpleasant to watch, which I think was a bad miscalculation, and that is the scene where the doctor and Bill finally meet on board the ship, and where he provokes her into shooting him, and even does a bit of a regeneration, just for the sake of last week's next Time trailer, something that she can't possibly have understood. 341 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:51.599 Exactly. 342 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.900 She doesn't know what a regeneration is at this point. 343 00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:56.940 Although Nardol seems to know. 344 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:06.660 But I think, you know, part of the problem with doing this now is that the acting styles have changed so much. 345 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:19.440 And so when the doctor destroys Ace's faith in him in Curse of Fenrig, not for a moment does Sophie Aldred's performance make you think that someone is really suffering a great deal of anguish. 346 00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:21.779 Maybe that's Sophie Altra. 347 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:23.700 That's not kind. 348 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.559 She speaks very highly of you. 349 00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:36.180 But now, you know, like part of the thing, I think part of the problem, for instance, in case of Andrazan is that the performance that Nicola gives is too realistic. 350 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.460 So, you know, her reaction. 351 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:51.599 There's one moment where Pete puts his hand on her to reassure her, but she's so freaked out and so kind of physically invaded by Sharon's check, that she reacts in what is just kind of a little bit too realistic. 352 00:27:51.660 --> 00:27:54.900 Well, I mean, we'll have to agree to differ on whether that's a problem or not. 353 00:27:54.960 --> 00:28:00.720 But yes, I think it's a bad idea, probably for the companion to shoot the doctor, probably. 354 00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:05.880 But I don't know, that's maybe I have no moral centre because I don't really think that that is a huge issue. 355 00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:08.460 I just hated it. the drama, Nathan. 356 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:09.359 Yes, the drama. 357 00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:12.240 But I just found it really actively unpleasant to watch. 358 00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:15.420 Like her distress over a long... 359 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.500 Yeah, look, it's not the 1st time. 360 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:21.359 It's not the 1st time in 60 years that the doctor has appeared to have changed sides. 361 00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:23.400 I mean, you use cursor Fenrik as an example there. 362 00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:25.859 A recent thing I was watching was the war games. 363 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.920 You know, there are all sorts of instances where the doctor looked... 364 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:30.720 Invasion of time. time, for example. 365 00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:36.720 And no one for a millisecond believes, no one believes that he's actually turned. 366 00:28:36.779 --> 00:28:49.799 And maybe it would have worked better if it had hung more on faith, her faith in him, him having to break her faith to try and break any condition that she might have from the monks. 367 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:51.960 You know what I mean? 368 00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:57.359 Like, because it just seems like he's being cruel to her, to try and provoke her, to shoot him. 369 00:28:57.420 --> 00:29:01.140 And if it had been more closer to what they did in cursor Fenrick. 370 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:08.700 I mean, the dialogue says that he is trying to make sure that she isn't conditioned. that everyone's conditioned. 371 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:10.740 He's got to make sure that she isn't conditioned. 372 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:12.000 And like, like whatever. 373 00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:13.019 Do you know what I mean? 374 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:13.799 Like, that's fine. 375 00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:16.200 But you could have made that decision. 376 00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:19.079 Like the scriptwriters could have made that decision a bit earlier. 377 00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:23.460 Like her shooting, the doctor is just absolute fake drama. 378 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:28.559 Although extra points for David, who's forgotten to exchange his ammunition for blanks. 379 00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:43.200 But look, much as I don't like the end of series three, the universe where the world, the alternate world where Martha is, you know, spends 12 months going around and the whole place is terrible. 380 00:29:43.259 --> 00:29:46.680 I would have believed that more if the doctor had been a turncoat in that context. 381 00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:50.880 That would have built for me a situation where she could have shot the doctor in that environment. 382 00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:57.660 I'm not feeling enough dystopia to have created a situation where the companion kills a doctor, where it shoots the doctor. 383 00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.339 That's probably what I would observe. 384 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.119 Exactly. 385 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:00.480 Exactly. 386 00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:01.259 There you go. 387 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:01.559 Thank you. 388 00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:02.339 It not earned enough. 389 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:03.960 So conceptually, I don't have a problem with it. 390 00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:06.000 But I think it's like wow, where did that come from? 391 00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:11.579 It would have been better if, you know, we'd have had some other characters or something that was with her and they had been the one to shoot the doctor. 392 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:18.180 Or if the whole previous episode had been this dystopian future, maybe that was a cliffhanger into this final part. 393 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:18.779 Whatever. 394 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:24.779 I mean, again, that's my desire, goes back to my desire for it to be a genuine three-part as opposed to a trilogy. 395 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.000 And I think we've agreed that those are 2 completely different. 396 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:28.500 Things. 397 00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:29.460 Yeah, yeah. 398 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.339 My big problem with this bit. 399 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:41.880 I actually think that the doctor's speech about humanity needing guidance and having done a terrible job on its own, I believe that's really compelling. 400 00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:48.960 It's true to the character, especially because this is the doctor who has been thrust into being the president of earth against his will. 401 00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:54.359 And then every time he's made president of Earth and makes a decision, all the humans go, you can't do that. 402 00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:55.740 He's like, why did you ask me? 403 00:30:55.859 --> 00:30:57.420 Why did, you know? 404 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:06.599 But for me, the whole problem is the shooting, it's the fact that the doctor planned for her to pull a gun and shoot him with the blanks. 405 00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:07.200 Yeah. 406 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:13.559 It's the fact that instead of being angry with him, she's angry with Nadol for some reason. 407 00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:18.059 Like, it's not... how she nearly says a rude word. 408 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:18.839 Yeah, yeah. 409 00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:19.740 Yeah absolutely. 410 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.400 But I just find myself most of the way through that scene. 411 00:31:23.460 --> 00:31:40.019 I feel like it's kind of cribbing the end of Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory with Gene Wilder's rant about, you know, the children having stolen and Charlie is the worst of all because, you know, he wasn't even honest about what he did, da da. 412 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:49.920 And I kind of feel this scene actually would have been better if Bill had then surrendered and just said, yeah, take me away, but I'm going to keep fighting you. 413 00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:55.440 And then that's the test that even without the doctor, she can stick up 1st off. 414 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.079 Because here's the thing. shooting the doctor would not change anything. 415 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:06.059 The monks aren't ruling more effectively because of the doctor because they haven't had the doctor on the 100s of other planets. 416 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:13.259 It is, as you say, complete trailer fodder, and for years, it's actually totally blinded me to the good qualities of this episode. 417 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:26.940 It's also truer to the character and to the way that the modern series conceptualises companions as being as travelling with a doctor and seeing the universe makes them better people, more rounded, more empathetic. 418 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.480 Like that, I think, is a better solution, Brendan. 419 00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:35.519 She does say that if you're on their side, they will win. 420 00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:39.480 And that fits into the way the show works as well. 421 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:47.339 I think that part of the problem is that once the situation is diffused, everyone laughs at her. 422 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.940 Like she's suddenly surrounded by men laughing at her. 423 00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:54.839 And I think that that is pretty unpleasant as well. 424 00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:56.819 And she doesn't know how to react to that. 425 00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.099 And I think that's yucky. 426 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:05.339 I just think the whole thing, like the tone of it is wrong, I think, for Doctor Who. 427 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:22.740 And while it is the sort of thing we've seen before, Look at how distressed Sylvester McCoy is at Sophie's distress afterwards and how he apologises to her and explains why he had to do this thing, which we don't get here at all. 428 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.019 And I think that's kind of yucky. 429 00:33:25.019 --> 00:33:27.480 Because, like, Billy is so likeable. 430 00:33:27.539 --> 00:33:44.519 I mean, we're going to have this in a few weeks time where Beale undergoes something that's just horrifically terrible and it's the usual Moffat thing of just absolutely torturing the hell out of the companions, which we've talked about before, even as far back as the Hingecliff era. 431 00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:52.619 So yeah, like I do think that that is an unpleasant scene and it's a bit meretricious as well. 432 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.619 Like you said, Brendan, it's trailer fodder. 433 00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:13.559 So, Missy is back, and it's been, what, 2 episodes? 434 00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:15.300 We didn't see her last week, did we? 435 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.099 But we did see her the week before. 436 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.000 We did. 437 00:34:18.059 --> 00:34:26.460 And of course, she is absolutely superb as ever. and one of the best things in the new series. don't know. 438 00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.400 She could read the telephone directory in a variety of comedy accents. 439 00:34:29.460 --> 00:34:31.079 Exactly, and I would be fine. 440 00:34:31.139 --> 00:34:34.500 What I love, though, is the sequence where basically she is being the doctor. 441 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.519 Again, it's creating that comparison that they are the same race. 442 00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:42.420 They're friends for millennia practically. 443 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:47.760 And the way that she's helping the doctor work it out in exactly the way that the doctor will do that with a companion. 444 00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:49.079 I just thought that was a beautiful scene. 445 00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:50.820 It's really, really good, isn't it? 446 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:59.280 But then, and then her thing, you know, like, uh, she had defeated the monks before, which is exactly the sort of thing that you might expect the doctor to say. 447 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 448 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.860 And how did she deal with it last time? 449 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.260 It's like, well, it was just a wee gown, all that. volcano, you know, like it's so fun. 450 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:08.699 It's so wonderful. 451 00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:12.420 And having Bill confront Missy, I thought, was particularly good. 452 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:13.739 I loved Bill's reaction. 453 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.019 It's like you just have a woman in a vault. 454 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.179 Like, have you got a ball? 455 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.280 Which is really great. 456 00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:31.980 But then when it becomes clear that, you know, the way of getting rid of them is to kill or, you know, horribly injure Bill is pretty good, I think. 457 00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:34.139 It's kind of like data and law. 458 00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:37.440 In that they are both these. 459 00:35:37.619 --> 00:35:41.280 As you say, you know, we're not even talking about, you know, when I my plan to use the monks to do blah. 460 00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:42.719 No, it's when I defeated the monks. 461 00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:51.840 It's like Missy's been going about doing exactly what the doctor's doing, but just without some kind of moral compass, without sign of guide. 462 00:35:51.900 --> 00:35:52.500 She doesn't understand. 463 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:57.000 There's that there's that bit of herd that's missing to understand the difference between good and evil. 464 00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:59.579 But fundamentally they're doing exactly the same sort of things. 465 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:07.320 That's the wonderful thing about this conception of the character, the master by Moffat is that she's not necessarily evil. 466 00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:08.340 She is differently morale. 467 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:08.940 Exactly. 468 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.139 She just, yeah, yeah. 469 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:11.099 So much more interesting. 470 00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:12.179 Yeah, so much more. 471 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:13.739 And Delgado has that a bit as well. 472 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:14.280 Yes. 473 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.940 So she says, I do go on adventures myself. 474 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:18.900 It's not all about you. 475 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.400 Yes, yes. 476 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.900 I think she is evil and is learning not to be. 477 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:30.239 Like, the thing that happened 2 weeks ago where she sort of decides that she wants to be good. 478 00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:35.039 I'll do anything, you know, like, and that's just her trying to talk away out of it. 479 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:46.440 But I'm not sure that it is, and we'll get to the end of the episode where I think there's some very genuine, proper remorse at the end of the episode, which does lead into the way the season plays out. 480 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:53.820 But she is still differently moraled, James, in the way that you say because she says, I'm good. 481 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:59.820 But your version of good is sentimental and kind of unpleasant. 482 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:05.519 The idea is that you won't sacrifice Bill for the sake of an entire planet. 483 00:37:05.579 --> 00:37:06.300 Yes. 484 00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:18.840 And, you know, we've said before, the doctor and Doctor Who generally as a program doesn't do utilitarianism, that's not its conception of right and wrong, but it's a conception of right or right. 485 00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:19.860 The trolly problem thing. 486 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 487 00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:24.539 So you're saying Missy is a utilitarian doctor. 488 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:25.739 Maybe. 489 00:37:25.739 --> 00:37:28.920 Maybe, but she doesn't really care. 490 00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:31.559 Maybe she doesn't care about either the planet or the single person. 491 00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:32.219 That's the difference. 492 00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:39.480 Except that we do see at the end of the episode that she does, that she is actually weeping because she killed so all of those people. 493 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:40.920 It's just that thing. 494 00:37:40.980 --> 00:37:43.320 It like believing that the doctor has turned evil. 495 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:46.139 Can you actually believe that the master has turned good? 496 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.940 Even at the time and even now and the whole thing, I'll do anything, I'll be good. 497 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.480 It's just her thinking this is my way to get out of this. 498 00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:56.219 I just have to put on a very long act. 499 00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:05.880 And I know that we're not, it is, and I think you would have to say it's a bit ambiguous as to whether she's genuinely changing before her past self comes back and effectively writes that error. 500 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:10.199 Well, I mean, what happens is her past self comes back and there's a contrast between them. 501 00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:14.039 And then there is the moment in the finale. where she gets to do that. 502 00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:16.619 Virtue is only virtue and extremists. 503 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.440 She gets to be virtuous without reward without witnesses. 504 00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:20.099 Yes. 505 00:38:20.099 --> 00:38:25.860 You know, so I, this, in retrospect, is her turning good, I think. 506 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:27.000 But yes, you're right. 507 00:38:27.059 --> 00:38:29.099 We don't quite believe it. 508 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:34.019 Well, I mean, I think I think that Michelle is certainly performing it. 509 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.380 Yes, you know, with some level of honesty. 510 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.019 I think that's the true tragedy of this season is that I think she at least is trying to be good. 511 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:43.980 Okay. 512 00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:48.539 And then she is killed by her past self. who won't let that happen. 513 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:49.980 Yeah, who won't let that happen. 514 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:54.840 And I think that's the tragedy of she was going to help her friend. 515 00:38:54.900 --> 00:39:00.780 She finally decided to help her friend again at the end of the season and then she's killed. 516 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.519 He never knows that she makes. 517 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:02.820 Yes. 518 00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:03.119 Yes. 519 00:39:03.179 --> 00:39:05.699 I'm looking forward to coming back to those episodes again now. 520 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:24.300 It's interesting to talk about, you know, whether we, as fans believe the master can turn good, when you have Michelle Gomez, who said in interviews that she has looked at bits of the performances of Roger Delgado and Anthony Ainley. 521 00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:28.679 But I don't think she's ever said, you know, I sat down and watched the sea devils kind of thing. 522 00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:36.239 The way the way that some of the doctor actors have, you know, so her view of the character is almost entirely her own. 523 00:39:36.300 --> 00:39:37.199 Yes, James. 524 00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:49.079 It's funny that you mentioned the sea devils, because there was actually a scene in this episode, which was cut where the doctor and Missy reminisce about their sword fight. 525 00:39:49.260 --> 00:40:03.360 But you always got a couple of those sequences in the classic series where the doctor and the master actually work together, like at the end of Legopolis, you know, the end of tear of the autons, even, you know, where the master realises that he's done something terribly wrong and we need to fix it. 526 00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:04.679 And they do band together. 527 00:40:04.739 --> 00:40:08.880 But there's not that kind of, you know, proper introspection. 528 00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:10.260 Of course not. 529 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:11.880 No, no, I'm not comparing it to that. 530 00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:15.000 I'm just noting the fact that the master is differently moraled. 531 00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:15.539 Yes. 532 00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:17.340 He just wants to, you know, have some fun. 533 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:31.079 But it is the thing, which I always say that the master in the news series does, which is that because there are time lord, one of the things that a time lord can do is be the star of Doctor Who. 534 00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:31.559 Yes. 535 00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:37.139 And so Missy is there and she is always more fun than Capaldi. 536 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:47.699 And in fact, perhaps more so than Tenant and Sim, who are both talky and obnoxious in the same way. 537 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:48.900 Do you know what I mean? 538 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:56.099 And, yeah, like, I think maybe maybe Dewan actually outshines Whittaker as well. 539 00:40:56.159 --> 00:41:00.300 But, you know, just it's just a joy. 540 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:01.019 I'm so happy. 541 00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:03.780 And you know what? 542 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:16.619 There was a particularly cruel line that was cut, but would still have been terribly funny, but I'm glad it was cut where when the doctor 1st walks into the vault, Missy's 1st sentence to him is, hey, whatever happened to Clara? 543 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:17.760 I'm so sorry. 544 00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:18.719 It cracks me up every time. 545 00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:25.320 I just read that and went, whoa. 546 00:41:25.380 --> 00:41:39.900 And I'm like, you know, that's a byproduct of Toby Withouse is writing his 1st draft, not having read anything that's come before in the season, not having read extremists because extremists was written after these 2 as a write-in to the other 2 episodes. 547 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:53.460 So, you know, Toby Woodhouse had no way of knowing that the 1st time we see Missy this season, she apologises for river for river dying, you know, at its genuine and it's not a gag, you know. 548 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:59.099 But even so it's Michelle Gomez and you would have just loved to hear her say that. 549 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.079 I loved her the way she would fall. 550 00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:02.460 I just loved it. 551 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.559 All right, so let's talk about the resolution. 552 00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:22.199 And Simon, is this our usual love conquers all resolution? 553 00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:26.039 I just, my note is that it just sort of ends very suddenly. 554 00:42:26.099 --> 00:42:29.519 I just feel like it's like, oh, these at the time, oh, that's the end. 555 00:42:29.579 --> 00:42:53.460 I don't, I don't, I kind of think actually, I mean, yes, I see what you're saying, but also, I kind of like that in that, you know, the monks are defeated through the power of love, of love, but through the McGuffin, of, of the fake mum, um, and that not being a elder. 556 00:42:53.579 --> 00:42:54.719 Like, that's an interesting concept. 557 00:42:54.840 --> 00:43:01.619 But I just love how they're defeated and because there's only 12 of them, they're just sort of rocket their pyramid. 558 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.739 Their pyramid off-squashed a slide slab of London. 559 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:09.059 I only watched it again last night for this recording. 560 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:14.760 And I can't actually entirely remember the conclusion. had that little impact on me. 561 00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:29.159 So it's very similar to silence in the library, uh, only not that great, which is where the doctor is knocked out and then Bill says, no, I'm going to save you, you know, like, yeah, yeah. 562 00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:29.400 Yeah. 563 00:43:29.460 --> 00:43:41.039 And so she even ties the doctor up and then says goodbye and then goes to what she thinks is going to be her death or her brain death or whatever, which is what Missy said would solve the problem. 564 00:43:41.099 --> 00:43:45.360 And what happens is, how about this for an analogy? 565 00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:55.980 Her memory of her mother is fake, and it's the result of the photos that Capaldi gets for her in the pilot. 566 00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:03.659 And because it's a fake memory, it's not affected by the monks who are poising everyone's memory. 567 00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:05.099 Excellent. 568 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:11.340 And so it's the recorder falling into the Tartar force field in the 3 doctors. 569 00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:12.960 That's an interesting analogy. 570 00:44:13.019 --> 00:44:16.139 I was going to use Clara falling into the doctor's time stream. 571 00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:21.119 I think that's excellent. 572 00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:23.039 And I think we found our next draft. 573 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.539 And that's what I'm talking about. 574 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:36.539 It's like, it's what I was kind of alluding to before, which is, which is just the fact that like, it only takes a little bit more thought to have made it actually work better. 575 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:44.219 In fact, you can see them really struggling because Capaldi has to give a long narration of what's going on during that scene. 576 00:44:44.219 --> 00:44:52.860 And he's explaining it at length and we're throwing literally everything at the wall and there's no real coherent explanation of what's going on. 577 00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.519 And it does seem to be kind of the opposite of word peril. 578 00:44:56.579 --> 00:44:58.440 It is just, here are some images. 579 00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:02.639 I'm going to talk you through until we're all convinced the episode's ending. 580 00:45:02.699 --> 00:45:03.599 Yeah, yeah. 581 00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:04.860 It's kind of the opposite. 582 00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:06.780 It's just as bad, but in a different way. 583 00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:08.699 There's no there's no there there. 584 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:16.860 There's no like, why, it's that thing that I've sort of said often about the other areas of the show yet to come in this podcast. 585 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:18.840 It makes me say, I don't care. 586 00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:20.099 I just, I don't care. 587 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:21.119 Why am I caring? 588 00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:21.719 What's going on? 589 00:45:21.780 --> 00:45:26.639 And that's why I can't even remember the resolution clearly because it's like I wasn't emotionally involved. 590 00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:27.300 No. 591 00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:31.079 There is a fine line between exposition, though. 592 00:45:31.139 --> 00:45:36.480 Obviously, you don't want it to be expository and you don't want it to be just, here's a whole lot of images and his stuff happens and bang the end. 593 00:45:36.539 --> 00:45:39.300 But it doesn't do either of those things effectively. 594 00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:49.619 No, and I think I think part of the problem is, because exposition is over the next few seasons of the show, going to become an increasing problem. 595 00:45:49.619 --> 00:45:57.420 And it seems to me that you simplify the premise so that it doesn't need the exposition, I think. 596 00:45:57.539 --> 00:45:58.679 No, no, no. 597 00:45:58.739 --> 00:46:00.000 You just exposit better. 598 00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:02.039 Well, there's that. spotted in bits. 599 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.380 You just show don't tell. 600 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.420 There are ways that things can be written. 601 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:20.820 It doesn't always work, but there are ways that things can be written, which does not require that kind of, we think about exposition when it's a negative, when it's like there's a character who is brought in to say, this is what's happened in the last 50 minutes or whatever. 602 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.760 As you know, Bob, we were being doing this for that. 603 00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:28.440 That's bad exposition, but exposition is actually a natural part of any storytelling. 604 00:46:28.500 --> 00:46:29.280 Yes, exactly. 605 00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:31.139 But here, do you know what I mean? 606 00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:31.619 majority. 607 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:32.760 You've got images. 608 00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:35.880 You can choose to make the images tell the story. 609 00:46:35.940 --> 00:46:37.019 Yes, exactly. 610 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:37.380 Yeah. 611 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:55.320 And here what happens is we get the images of the monks replaced by images of Bill's mother and, you know, the monks are hideous and ugly and Bill's mother is an attractive young smiling woman who, you know, Bill loves and there's some genuine love there as opposed to the love of the monks and stuff. 612 00:46:55.380 --> 00:46:59.340 And you've got Capaldi kind of droning on and on and on about what's happening. 613 00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:02.039 And I think that that is a bit of a weakness. 614 00:47:02.099 --> 00:47:04.320 I don't think it's love conquers all. 615 00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:08.639 I actually don't object to love conquers all because I don't, per se. 616 00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:14.460 Because we win not because we've got bigger guns, do you know what I mean? 617 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:16.079 Or that sort of thing. 618 00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:17.880 I always like to win because we're smarter than that. 619 00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:18.599 Yeah, yeah. 620 00:47:18.659 --> 00:47:22.019 But sometimes I think we win because we love and they hate. 621 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.400 And I think that's okay too. 622 00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:33.599 The original conception for the ending was that the monks would start overwriting Bill's mum. 623 00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:34.380 Right, okay. 624 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:43.139 And that Bill's outrage and grief would then pour over the human race and the human race would adapt that as loss. 625 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:44.699 Oh my god, what have we lost? 626 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:45.539 Yeah, okay. 627 00:47:45.539 --> 00:47:47.820 And that would bring everyone to their senses. 628 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:53.699 And on the one hand, it's kind of like, you know, that is arguably more human. 629 00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.460 On the other hand, how much exposition would that need? 630 00:47:56.460 --> 00:48:00.239 And hasn't Bill been through enough in the last 45 minutes? 631 00:48:00.780 --> 00:48:12.420 I kind of thought about this ending the 1st time I watched it, but I've softened on it is it's like, okay, it's another Moffat era companion who is the most important person in creation trademark. 632 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:18.599 But Bill is not the most important person in creation at this point. 633 00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:19.980 Her mum is. 634 00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:36.119 And I think that, to me, is what sells it because this is a woman she never met, you know, she doesn't know what her mum sounds like or what she was like at parties or how cranky she was on a Sunday morning if she didn't have a sleep in. 635 00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:41.699 She doesn't know any of those things, which is what makes it an incorruptible memory. 636 00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:54.840 And, you know, that's something in cognitive behavioural therapy, the idea of thinking of something unfetteredly positive in your past and using as a totem, as a touchstone, to believe in as an anchor point. 637 00:48:54.900 --> 00:49:00.659 I do think Capaldi having to do all that exposition is a huge problem. 638 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.840 With the benefit of hindsight and using the finale of Star Trek discovery as a touch point. 639 00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:16.980 I think it would have been lovely if somewhere in the memory palace, if you like, Bill and her mum could have had a scene together and that's what explains it. 640 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:18.960 You know, so Bill gets to explain it. 641 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:25.199 I think you're quite right there, Brendan, in terms of that, that would have maybe achieved something that we're talking about. 642 00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:26.699 Yeah, yeah. 643 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:34.139 There is some dialogue about the link last week, so it doesn't come from nowhere and she's not the most important person in creation. 644 00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:38.519 She's just the silly person who invited the monks to stay. 645 00:49:38.579 --> 00:49:40.860 You know, she made a mistake. 646 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:52.260 And we think that that link is going to mean that, you know, she has to be killed, uh, but it gives her power over the monks and that's kind of a standard Doctor Who kind of thing. 647 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.300 So, like, I guess that's kind of okay. 648 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:59.940 But I do think that the exposition kind of wrecks it a bit, to be honest. 649 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.440 Yeah, yeah. 650 00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:15.300 There is that final scene at the end with the statue that's been broken down and the reason that I mention it is because I just love how the doctor calls out to that woman and just says, hey, appalling hair. 651 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.639 Yes, what's that? 652 00:50:17.699 --> 00:50:20.460 Like, what's that, please, doing there? 653 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.320 Which I just think is magnificent. 654 00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:24.539 Oh, no, no, they thought they were filming or something. 655 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.739 It's like, you know, the Zygon gamut and the Loch Ness monster. 656 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:36.539 It's great, but that's the version of the Doctor Who earth that I prefer is that, yes, the earth is getting invaded from time to time. 657 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:37.679 And we all forget. 658 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.199 We all just forget because we think it was a student prank. 659 00:50:40.739 --> 00:50:45.480 Well, here we've been fiddling with memory for 6 months. do not mean. 660 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.460 So it just works perfectly, I think. 661 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.880 Well, that's all the time we have. 662 00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:15.480 Wait. 663 00:51:15.539 --> 00:51:21.539 We'll be back next week for a quick trip to the Red Planet during the reign of Queen Victoria in Empress of Mars. 664 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:39.719 In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us on our website, flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find our social media links, as well as links to all of our other podcasts, including our other Doctor Who podcasts, 500-year diary, and the 2nd grace and bountiful Human Empire. 665 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.960 Until next time, relax, do as you're told, your future is taken care of. 666 00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:48.659 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 667 00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:50.219 Ta-ta. 668 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:51.119 Bye for now. 669 00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:51.840 Good night. 670 00:51:57.900 --> 00:52:02.579 That was Flight through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones, Simon Moore and James Selwood. 671 00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.619 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 672 00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:11.280 This episode, vignettes from an alien invasion, was recorded on the 8th of September 2024 and released on the 3rd of November. 673 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:25.800 Taking the opportunity tonight to give a shout out to all our listeners in the U.S. Good luck on Tuesday, and for God's sake, don't vote for the monks. 674 00:52:32.460 --> 00:52:34.139 How do you think? 675 00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:34.860 I think we're done. 676 00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:37.079 That was great. 677 00:52:37.139 --> 00:52:37.679 That was good. 678 00:52:37.739 --> 00:52:38.880 I think it was really good, actually. 679 00:52:38.940 --> 00:52:39.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 680 00:52:39.659 --> 00:52:48.480 Again, I think actually the mediocre episodes actually often that I found are the best... because there's so many things to talk about which are good about them, but which could be better. 681 00:52:48.539 --> 00:52:53.219 And because when I think the really good episodes are actually the ones that I find the hardest to talk about. 682 00:52:54.539 --> 00:52:56.400 Oh, that was great. great when they did that. 683 00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:57.059 That was really cool. 684 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:08.340 I just kind of like the way that even in an episode that like, even in episodes that no one rates, we're able to say, you know, what's good about them. 685 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:15.360 Maybe no one sets out to do a crappy episode and none of the episodes in this era are like war crimes or anything like that, you know. 686 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:16.679 I got the name. 687 00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:22.019 I got the working title last week's episode wrong. contact. 688 00:53:23.219 --> 00:53:28.079 I thought it was, well, untitled alien invasion project. 689 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:32.880 James, you're right. 690 00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:35.820 Both of those were working titles for that script. 691 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:36.539 So you're fine. 692 00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:37.679 Mine's better. 693 00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:42.059 Are you surely not worried about us having a factual area? 694 00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.360 Definitively inaccurate. 695 00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:49.559 All right. 696 00:53:49.619 --> 00:53:52.440 I think that's, I think that's probably our tag. 697 00:53:52.500 --> 00:53:55.139 So you come in and correct the thing. 698 00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:55.679 Oh, there you go. 699 00:53:55.739 --> 00:53:55.920 Yes. 700 00:53:55.980 --> 00:53:56.460 Yeah, yeah. 701 00:53:56.460 --> 00:53:57.420 See? 702 00:53:57.420 --> 00:53:58.440 That's our tag. 703 00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:01.019 All right. 704 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:01.619 Okay. 705 00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:02.519 Bye-bye. 706 00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:05.159 Okay, thank you, Brendan, that was really fun. 707 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.519 And I think the new laptop, this new set of... 708 00:54:08.579 --> 00:54:11.340 It's more comfortable. think it works, yes. 709 00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:12.179 Yeah. 710 00:54:12.179 --> 00:54:14.039 Yeah, it seems to work, so I think we're okay. 711 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:14.880 We'll do that again. 712 00:54:14.940 --> 00:54:15.599 Brilliant. 713 00:54:15.659 --> 00:54:16.860 Okay, Uru. 714 00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:17.159 All right. 715 00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:18.179 See you soon. 716 00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:18.900 Bye. 717 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:20.699 Send me the same file. 718 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:21.960 No, you hang up. 719 00:54:22.019 --> 00:54:22.559 No, you hang up. 720 00:54:22.619 --> 00:54:23.280 No, you hang up. 721 00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:23.880 He's still here. 722 00:54:23.940 --> 00:54:24.360 Oh, yeah. 723 00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:25.440 He hung up. still here. 724 00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:26.340 There we go. 725 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.559 Now, last time I forgot to turn off. 726 00:54:31.619 --> 00:54:32.460 The recording? 727 00:54:32.460 --> 00:54:32.933 the recording.