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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight of Entirety, the

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only Doctor Who podcast that's just inevitable, like sewage and

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smartphones and Donald Trump.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Peter.

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Well, with Bill gone and the Cyberman inevitable, there's only one

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thing left for the doctor to do because who he is, is where he

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stands, is where he falls.

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So let's see what happens when the doctor falls.

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Last week started in this sort of odd way with a flash forward to

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the end of this episode.

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So, this whole two parter is circular, but we pull a lot of sort

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of timey, whimey stuff at the beginning here with an actual

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flashback, which I don't think we had last week.

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So it's all a bit complicated, isn't it?

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I forget, Nathan.

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Circular logic will only make you dizzy.

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Who says that?

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Perry.

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Oh my god.

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So I guess what we get is something that lets us lead into the

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opening credits with that incredible visual of the doctor being

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held by a Mondassian cyberman.

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But when we get back into it, I think what ends up happening is a

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thing that sometimes happens, but not often enough where we

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actually escalate from the cliffhanger and things start to get

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worse.

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So we go back to the rooftop and where has it looked like Missy

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had turned evil?

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I think it's pretty clearly established for at least the 1st few

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minutes that that's continuing, that that's a thing that's

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happened.

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And that's kind of what we lean into.

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Absolutely.

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And having the doctor at the mercy of 2 masters is delicious

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because he's not only got one master there going, ha ha, doctor

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you know, going to kill you now, he's got 2 of them describing the

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many ways in which they could possibly kill him and some of the

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ways in which they already have.

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Well, the best one is where Missy says, I know you've already

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fallen.

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And I do like her line, have you ever felt the blade, which

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anticipates what's going to happen to John Sims master at the end

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of the episode.

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But, you know, there's not like granddad's back and, you know, and

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then and they cured her little condition, your little condition

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like, you know, with Bill.

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But, you know, you do have to give it to like everyone knows your

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stupid round face. so good We never knew until this scene.

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We never knew that we needed a multimaster story, but we

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absolutely did.

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It's just gold plated.

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Well, because it's Missy's reaction to the stupid round face crack

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where she goes, yeah, a little bit.

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Like she kind of agrees with the doctor.

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Which is probably the clue.

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That's not all evil.

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Doctor's dead.

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Yeah.

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He told me he always hated you.

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Twice.

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Oh that is so brilliant.

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That is so awesome isn't it?

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But you know, we're in this horrific situation with, you know, and

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it's comedy gold.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's what we laugh.

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I will say there's one bit, looks a bit crap, is the flashback

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within the flashback where the doctor's doing the keyboard stuff.

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Yeah. and, you know, changing the algorithm. they're going

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really?

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I'm not convinced.

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That's counterpointed by those lovely shots of Nadal running away

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when things are going south with the 2 masters.

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And it really does wrong foot you.

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You think what's happening?

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He goes, is Ardol no longer part of this is, is, and then he

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obviously comes to race for shuttle.

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I think that's actually really brilliant because we always say

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that Moffatt wants to start the episode in a different place from

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where he left it, but he does actually want to tell the story of

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what happened after the 2 masters turned up and met the doctor.

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And so it's done in this sort of German expressionism kind of way

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with all the sort of black and white.

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Yes. with all the black and white and all of that sort of thing.

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And then we also get that sort of revision where you see that he's

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had the chance to change the algorithm.

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But all of that stuff and particularly the stuff where the 2

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masters get on board the shuttle and both say the exact same.

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And the thing is that it's so stupidly petty.

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Like it's the most fabulously petty thing.

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Like the doctor just wants to be cruel in the most kind of

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miserably childish way, he said to tell me that he'd always hated

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you and that they both do it.

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It's magic.

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It's so good.

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It's so good.

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But it's just so wonderful, that whole rooftop sequence, and then

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having Bill there, and then the cyberman, you know, coming up, and

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I guess the one thing for this episode is, I would have just loved

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to have had the Mondasian cyberman, or an evolution which we went

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to like the Tolosian cyberman, rather than the cyberman that we

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know now. like I would have liked to have just had a progression

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but let's just keep it classic.

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I think that very much the reason for it is what costumes do we

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have lying around?

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Andrew Beach or whatever.

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Yeah, I think that is it.

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I think it's sort of a matter of with asylum of the Daleks, there's

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a reason there's only one sort of dead planet Dalek or Dalek

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invasion of Earth Dalek, whereas for this, it's kind of like, okay

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yes, we, you know, we can get a fan in who has a really good

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invasion costume or a really good. tomb of the side men costume

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but it's like, okay, do we duplicate that 20 times or do we have

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to get one made?

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We can't get 2 identical ones.

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I mean, that was it was something I was disappointed with at the

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time.

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I did think when the doctor started talking about, oh, you know

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they've evolved an attack one.

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I'm like, oh, come on, come on, let's get David Banks in.

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You know, he would still fit in the suit.

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Let's get David Banks and Mark Hardy. you know.

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Yeah, let's get Michael Kilgariff.

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He wants to arrive.

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Excellent.

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Moffat loves this structure for a two-part story, doesn't he?

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Where you set the scene somewhere and then you go off on a

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tangent.

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And it's been sometimes less successful, sometimes more.

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I don't necessarily think the Big Bang is successful as a 2nd part

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to that story where something like flesh and stone is very much

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for time of angels.

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Here, you do have quite a lot of overlap with the 1st episode

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which is good.

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But he does a thing, which astonishingly, considering how good

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world enough, and time is, this is the better episode, and I'm

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absolutely astonished that he managed to do that.

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The change of atmosphere is really striking.

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And basically everything turns, you're suddenly not indoors, gray

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black, smoke, you're outdoors, it's kind of bucolic, and it really

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works.

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Like in that 1st episode, which we're talking last week where

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everything was cutting between 2 things.

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Here, the cutting after this flashback sequence is between Bill

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and Cyber Bill, you know?

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And I just think that is just so clever and well realised, like

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the sequences and just how heartbreaking it is for real Bill.

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Like I just love all that.

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I mean, you couldn't do an episode with just a Modacian Bill

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Cyberman.

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You've got to have Pearl there.

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is heading.

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So, so what we do is we introduce floor 507. in the opening

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credits and we see, you know, the Cyberman expedition that went up

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from floor 1058 and then got trapped in 507 and now they're all

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the scarecrows and stuff and it turns out that it seems to be a

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thing that's happening all the time.

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All of that's introduced.

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We get to meet Arlett, the little girl, who's going to be sort of

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super important to the story.

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And then we see that image.

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it's 2 weeks later.

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And so when we see Bill come to in the barn, do we think she's

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been fixed?

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I think we do.

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I did.

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I don't know if I did, but I kind of went, oh, what's going on?

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Like, I just questioned it.

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And I thought, oh, and then there's just the horrible realisation

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that she's not fixed.

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And obviously with the mirror coming in and the shadows and all

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that, like it just, no, I did I did realise.

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I remember the 1st time I was watching it and instantly I had the

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sense of dread that we were going to have this long goodbye to

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Bill where we could still see her and it's like looking at a

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photograph of a loved one who's passed away.

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She's still there and we can see her, but it's just an echo.

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It's very well done because we get, so we get the character of

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Hasran, who's played by Samantha Spiro, who we know.

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She's brilliant.

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So she's in sex education, uh, and she's in psycho beaches as

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well.

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She's really funny.

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She's terribly...

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I hear that psycho bitches can give you a second.

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She's terribly been there myself.

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She's she's terribly good.

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She is brilliant.

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One of the absolute highlights.

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And unlike last week, we have a sort of small guest cast, whereas

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there's virtually no guest cast apart from John Simm last week's

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episode, but it's her reaction to Bill that's off, you know, that

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she's nervous around her and refuses to approach her and she's

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being kind, but she says the stuff about how you can't be around

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the children and something.

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So something is wrong.

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And I think that Moffatt just pulls out what he did with Oswin.

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So, yeah.

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Oswin doesn't realise she's a Dalek and she doesn't realise

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because she's strong and she's created.

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I think the doctor says that Beale has created, you've created a

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castle made out of you and you're on the battlements, kind of

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defending yourself against the realisation of who you are.

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And I think, you know, you have to do that for the reason that you

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identified Todd, which is you have to have Bill in the story.

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Yes, and also, I think Peter hit the nail on the head when he said

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dread.

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That is such, it just sums up the whole feeling.

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But also when, you know, the doctor's telling her or questioning

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her like, what do you remember 10 years?

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like 10 years she was down there.

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And of course, it goes back to the previous sequence where they

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say, you missed it by 2 hours.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You just kind of, it's just heartbreaking screws, isn't it?

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It's just, yeah.

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It's not clear that it's 10 years, is it last week?

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It doesn't seem to be 10 years.

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We have the numbers, but the numbers don't kind of add up to 10

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years, but now it's 10 years.

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And we did spend last week going, can you stop doing the

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exposition doctor and just go down there?

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Do you know what I mean?

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It was held by the fact that Bill didn't seem to be super

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distressed necessarily.

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Like she didn't seem to be having a brutally miserable time, but

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she was still waiting. rationalist.

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Yeah that's right.

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Bad tea.

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In the in the initial draft, the doctor had missed her by 2

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years.

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She'd been a cyberman for 2 years.

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I think the 2 hours thing is much better because A, there's pathos

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to it and B, it means it's more feasible that her personality is

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still there.

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I remember on initial broadcast, the week between the 2 episodes.

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I was thinking to myself, okay, Cyberman in the classic series is

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a human encased inside a Cyberman with surgical alterations and

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chemicals like we see in Attack of the Cyberman, but then Missy

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just smashes our hopes like a sandcastle saying, oh, yeah, she's

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been pulped and filleted and shredded just like the cyber cybermen

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and it's like, oh, oh, dear.

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And that's why she's 7 foot tall.

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But Bill herself only hears about it the 1st time where the doctor

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says the cybermen go to convert young people, children because

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their brains are fresh and there's less to throw away.

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But he can't bring himself to say less to throw away and the

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master who is just being cruel says it.

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And there's, there's a wonderful moment where, where that master

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like the John Sim master does the razor voice and says how boring

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she was to live with for 10 years and how great, you know, how it

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was all worth it, just to see the doctor's face when he found out

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that she was a cyberman.

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Oh, that's cruel.

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It's really, but the great thing about it is she says I'm not

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upset when she's a cyberman as a cyberman.

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And he says, oh, well, that takes all the fun out of cruelty then

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doesn't it?

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And then we come back to Beale, who is absolutely devastated.

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It's so brutal.

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Pearl Mackey is so great in those scenes.

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Like, she's seriously one of the best regulars who we've had since

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the show came back.

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Yeah, I know, she's incredible.

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The other the other incredible bit is where she says, you said

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that you could make this right again, and the doctor says yes.

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And she says, were you lying?

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And he says, no.

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And then she says, were you right?

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And he says, no.

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It's so, it's so brutal.

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It's so hard.

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The thing is, though, he has built a whole cyborg body for Nardol

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out of spare parts that looks like Nardol's original body.

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So just saying, the Nardol is kind of a comedy character in a way

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that Billy is.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah, it was to have Handel's head on it.

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Yeah, Hernando still has his head.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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Yeah.

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No, I think that because those characters are kind of operating on

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different registers.

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You know, he's a more silly science fiction character.

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He used to be blue, apparently, we learned last week. and his

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hair's invisible.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's a bit like, yeah, the laws of time forbid us from

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rescuing Adric, but not from rescuing literally anyone else

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because it because it's a different situation and it's, you know

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we're not going for the silent credits with everyone else.

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So we have to be able to not rescue Adric.

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I would have loved for the doctor to defuse the entire situation

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by sidling up to the sidemen whispering to them what happened when

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they teamed up with the master in the fight.

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That would have been a delicious throwaway.

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The strength of this character to be able to stand there and stand

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up to the master and the way that is written is just

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extraordinary.

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But even her whole, you know, we're not going to get out of this

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one, are we?

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It's just this inevitability that we're sinking in to all of us.

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Like, we're not going to get out of this.

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Yeah, we're not going back on this And you know, we see that

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regeneration energy.

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We know where we're headed, you know?

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I think the only times that I felt like that in that particular

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way is at the end of Mind Warp.

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And at the end of Caves of Androzani.

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And that feeling, I think it's stronger here.

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I mean, I think that, you know, this isn't quite a regeneration

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story, really, because he doesn't regenerate at the end, of course

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it was meant to be. of course, it was meant to be.

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And if so, it is perhaps one of the strongest regeneration stories

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that the show has ever done.

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And why is he regenerating initially because he gets electrocuted

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by the cyberman on the rooftop?

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And then he gets shot by a whole bunch of them later on.

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So there's that.

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I think once you see that in his hand, it's inevitable, which

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again is why that thing in the lie of the land was such a stupid

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mistake.

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Oh, yeah, shouldn't have gone there.

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Yeah.

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That's all part of that same discussion, like that beautiful

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discussion.

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Isn't there a tier?

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doesn't doesn't the sermon have a tear and the doctor say like

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well, this tears is hope. which is, you know, again, foreshadowing

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the end of the episode.

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Yeah.

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And it's, it's just a real, these character moments that Stephen

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Moffat allows us to have here at the final end, not only between

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these two, but between the doctor and the masters and with Nard

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just sublime.

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The thing that all good regeneration stories have is that they're

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epic and elegiic and the doctor's desperate that is broken down

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throughout the story.

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That all happens here.

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This would be probably the best regeneration story of the show's

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history if it physically happened in the story.

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Yeah, it doesn't take away from it that it doesn't.

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I'd like to talk about, like, missing the master and all of these

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scenes together.

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I just think they play off each other just so well and I spoke a

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bit last week about the energy that John Sim is bringing to this

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role up against Michelle Gomez, which is a different energy.

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It's written differently, as Simon said, but I just think he is

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such a talented actor.

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Here you can really see what he can do, like, in a vein that I

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would like him to go in.

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In all of that, like, you know, just the whole, there's a lot of

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exposition they have to get through.

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They do it in a funny way, in a way that you can see that miss is

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conflicted.

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I love the fact that we're talking about timelines out of sync, we

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can't retain memories.

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The whole business, about a really scary lady.

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That's so good.

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With the dear materialisation circuit.

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Like, that is so clever.

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Like, it's very moffity. absolutely a thing that he's done

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before.

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It's like time crash. or something like that.

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But it's so brilliant.

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You know, a very, very scary lady pinned me up against a wall and

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said, always carry a spare dematerialisation circuit with you.

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It's so perfect, isn't it?

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It's wonderful.

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Having said that, when she does pin him up against the wall and

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big shudder, you get the scene where the master says he has a hard

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on for missing.

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All I can think about is how that scene would have played out

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between Pertwee and Trouter.

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Oh, you found my recorder.

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Remember when Kurt we had to fill in the insurance form from the

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sea devil saying that his ribs had been damaged by a cylindrical

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metal device?

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I actually really like it.

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Fantastic.

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You know, Todd, what you were saying, Ashley, for who the 1st half

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of this episode, all we really get is just Missy and the Sim

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Master sparring off each other and acting as a kind of Greek

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chorus, you know, pouring aspersions on what the doctor's trying

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to do, but then it all changes in one really amazing scene halfway

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through the episode.

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So initially it looks like Missy has just gone over to the

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master's side, that the presence of the old master, her old self

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is enough to kind of remind her that that's what she wants to be.

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She wants to be like that.

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And then there's the moment where the doctor says, like, knock

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yourself out, I think, sort of casually on the rooftop to both of

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them.

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And Missy knocks the master out and then says, no, no, no, I was

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just pretending I'm on your side all along.

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And there's a, the way it's played, it's kind of like she doesn't

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want the doctor to press it too much and the doctor doesn't want

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to press it.

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And it's still ambiguous.

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It's still absolutely not clear where she stands.

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Yes, Missy, whatever her morals are, whether she's sort of decides

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to hook up with the doctor or not.

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She's still missy.

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She's playful in that way. never quite know where she stands.

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Was she on the brink of turning bad?

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you know, because of this influence that he has over her.

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Like, she's wavering and that's, and that's really good, like, for

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us as a viewer, to see that and and to be unsure we stand

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throughout most of this.

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What is brilliant, I think, is that the whole reason we have 2

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masters here is that we have a traditional master and missy, and

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that represents the conflict.

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It's like 2nd chances on Star Trek, the Next Generation, where you

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have a science fiction reason to double people, and then the 2

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people are the same person, but they're feeling different things.

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And so Missy is the missy who feels remorse, who wants to stand by

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the doctor's side. different experiences.

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Yeah, that's right.

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She's been through all of the things that happened to her while

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she was missy, whereas the Sim Master hasn't.

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But we still get missy being conflicted.

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Moffatt doesn't go, well, I've got a master over here that can be

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the evil one and then we'll have Missy.

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Missy is still conflicted.

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And it's wonderful because you're getting Michelle Gomez to play

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all of that sort of stuff.

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And she does it with just the perfect amount of ambiguity, I

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think.

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And we're used to her being sort of whimsical, fun, missy, but she

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can bring an intense sobriety to some scenes, where her face just

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falls and you're really not quite sure what's going on behind

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that.

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All this like is pivotal. comes to a head in the scene with the

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doctor at dusk where he's asking them to stand with him because

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it's kind.

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It's where I stand, where I fall, stand with me.

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And Peter Capaldi has delivered some speeches in his time as the

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doctor.

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But yet again, he just plays this to perfection.

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And the reaction of the SIM master is so perfect in that moment

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but you watch I watch Michelle Gomez in the background before.

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And even the moments afterwards, and even when they just have that

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little, they lock hands as she grabs his hand.

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She grabs his hand.

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Like, it's with her to sort of signal.

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I might be saying this, but I'm going to stand with you.

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Or, you know, giving him hope that although she's saying one thing

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she's going to do another.

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It's really ambiguous though, isn't it?

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It's so good because she says thank you for trying, but no.

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It's a visceral speech.

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It means something for the doctor.

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That howl that he lets out as they're walking away or he just

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screams no at them.

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You know, it means something to him because as he points out

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earlier in the episode, it's his oldest friend in the universe.

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He can't let them go.

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He has to try to make them see sense.

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And we talked last week about the speech that the doctor gives

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George in the control room about how I'm going to save you and

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everyone on this ship and everything's going to be great and

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you're going to be shaking your head in wonderment at how great I

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was and how I managed to save everyone and then compare it to this

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speech.

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You know, I don't do it because it's fun.

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I don't do it because it's easy.

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I don't even do it because it works because most of the time it

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doesn't. do what I do because it's right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And that's so different, you know, like that those 2 speeches

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bookend, these 2 part are in such a brilliant way, I think.

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It's such a great mission statement for the doctor and gets it

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just right in a way that may be the same kind of speech at the end

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of twice upon a time over exit a little bit.

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Yeah, 0 yeah.

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No, that's terrible.

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We'll get there No, it's not.

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I'm not on that episode.

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No, it's not.

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I'm standing.

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I'm taking a stand.

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This is where I stand.

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That whole scene is just electric, and I think what sets it apart

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from the other Capoldi speeches is it's so unvarnished.

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Like, you touched on it just now, Nathan.

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Like the other Capaldi speeches are about convincing the humans or

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in George's case, the blue people.

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You know, it's about convincing them of his authority.

498
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:15.059
This is someone, he's speaking to someone who is fully aware of

499
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:15.839
his authority.

500
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:17.759
There is no hiding from this person.

501
00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:22.559
And so we just get this completely unvarnished account of the

502
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:24.539
doctor's character.

503
00:25:24.539 --> 00:25:28.740
And kind of it's paying off way back in series 8.

504
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:33.960
We had this doctor of questioning his entire being, you know, and

505
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:36.059
his entire purpose.

506
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.420
And even sort of at the end of series 8, we get that discussion

507
00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:42.480
about, you know, not liking hugs because you're hiding your face

508
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:46.019
and he lies to Clara about having found Gallifrey and what have

509
00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:46.259
you.

510
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:52.799
It's kind of like now where at the end of his tenure, it's... getting

511
00:25:52.799 --> 00:26:00.059
this completely without pretence, without theatricality, without

512
00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:03.240
any sort of mask on this doctor.

513
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:09.900
And it kind of finally puts to bed that question of, am I a good

514
00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:10.140
man?

515
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:13.200
It's like unquestionably because this is who you are when

516
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:14.460
everything else is stripped away.

517
00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:19.619
It's also, I think, again, it was a mission statement for Doctor

518
00:26:19.619 --> 00:26:20.160
Who.

519
00:26:20.220 --> 00:26:24.000
But what the doctor does there takes me back to Doctor Who's

520
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.519
earliest days, you remember those lovely closing moments from the

521
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.299
Aztecs, where the doctor's comforting Barbara, and he says, we may

522
00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:33.960
have lost the day, but you saved one man, and this is it.

523
00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:36.059
You know, he may he may have lost the day here.

524
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:39.599
You know, he may have lost a lot here, but he kind of saves Missy

525
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:40.559
and that's important.

526
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:46.200
So, of course, that is then followed by the scene with the 2

527
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.380
masters together.

528
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:54.119
And the thing that I really, really liked, because you can never

529
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:56.880
be sure with Missy whether she's being sincere or not, because

530
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.559
there's so much performance.

531
00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:01.680
And we did see, I think, some sincerity on her face when she was

532
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.380
listening to the doctor's speech.

533
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:10.920
But that moment when she holds him, uh, she holds John Sims master

534
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.799
like Servoland, um, holding lights.

535
00:27:17.099 --> 00:27:20.519
Exactly like that, actually, because she does kill him then.

536
00:27:20.579 --> 00:27:22.319
Not with a big crystal.

537
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:23.160
No, that's true.

538
00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:28.559
Where she says, you were like a whole burning planet.

539
00:27:28.619 --> 00:27:33.420
You were like a, you know, I loved being you and I'll never forget

540
00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:35.460
what it was like to be you.

541
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:39.839
And like, that's not just John Sims master because we said last

542
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:45.000
week that, you know, this John Sims master is the master, you know

543
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.680
as he's been up until now.

544
00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:49.319
And I just think that's really great.

545
00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:54.299
The way that she says, yes, you know, like, I did bad things and I

546
00:27:54.299 --> 00:27:58.140
did things that I regret, but I loved being you, but it's over

547
00:27:58.140 --> 00:27:58.319
now.

548
00:27:58.380 --> 00:27:59.700
I had all my fun.

549
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:01.079
I was a rebellious teenager.

550
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:02.460
It's time to grow up and settle down.

551
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:06.000
Yeah, yeah, but also there's nothing left.

552
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:06.779
Do you know what I mean?

553
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:10.019
Like last week where you had the doctor say that he and the master

554
00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:13.500
had a plan where they were going to see all of the stars.

555
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:15.119
There's no stars anymore.

556
00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:18.299
They're trapped under a holographic sky.

557
00:28:18.420 --> 00:28:22.559
They're not going to survive, and that's the time where she says

558
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.460
actually, I am just going to go and stand with the doctor because

559
00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:29.039
this is where we were always going.

560
00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:33.660
It's just beautiful and obviously the master then shooting her in

561
00:28:33.660 --> 00:28:36.539
the back and telling her that she can't regenerate.

562
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.420
Like, you've got to get missy out of the story for the rest of the

563
00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:40.380
story to work.

564
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.140
But I do regret the fact that he says you were unable to

565
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:43.680
regenerate.

566
00:28:43.740 --> 00:28:46.680
I just kind of think, well, can't you just leave it to regenerate

567
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:47.759
or die or something?

568
00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:49.559
I don't know, she did regenerate.

569
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:51.059
Obviously, yeah, so he's lying.

570
00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:51.660
I don't know.

571
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:57.240
So, I think that there is a core of Doctor Who that a showrunner

572
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.059
should probably not touch.

573
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.619
And one of the problems I had, for instance, with the timeless

574
00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:09.180
child, was that everyone at home who doesn't really care about

575
00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:14.460
Doctor Who, at least knows that they're a timelord from the Planet

576
00:29:14.460 --> 00:29:15.779
Galafre, you know?

577
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:17.880
They're a little bit more knowledgable, don't know it's in the

578
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:18.420
constellation.

579
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:20.039
Exactly right.

580
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:21.420
Galactic coordinates.

581
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:22.380
Sorry.

582
00:29:22.619 --> 00:29:26.039
So you don't get to change that in a way.

583
00:29:26.099 --> 00:29:29.940
And I think Moffat has always played with that boundary.

584
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:31.500
I think he's always been aware of it.

585
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:34.859
And he's always played with it and things like listen where he

586
00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:38.039
starts to fill in the doctor's backstory a bit or where you see

587
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.920
the doctor and Susan stealing the TARDIS at the beginning of name

588
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:41.519
of the doctor.

589
00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:42.839
You nibble around the edges.

590
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:43.500
Just enough.

591
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:44.039
Just enough.

592
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:44.640
Just enough.

593
00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:47.759
But here he kind of kills the master.

594
00:29:47.819 --> 00:29:53.400
And he does kill her, like it's not just the line of dialogue, but

595
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.640
also the special effect, which is, you know, she becomes

596
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:57.359
transparent.

597
00:29:57.420 --> 00:29:59.460
We see her skull through her head and all of that sort of thing.

598
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:04.319
So it's very clear that this is the end and she dies and that kind

599
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:04.980
of works.

600
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.279
And I do like her reaction to it as well, which is pretty great.

601
00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:10.799
I mean, you had to have mutually assured destruction.

602
00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:13.619
And you had to have them both find it hilariously funny.

603
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:14.819
Yeah, yeah.

604
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:15.539
Yeah.

605
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.019
And so there's an ampas, you know, like the 2 halves of the

606
00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:22.619
character can't come to any kind of accommodation and so they just

607
00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:23.460
destroy themselves.

608
00:30:24.059 --> 00:30:28.140
But not before Missy says, I am going to stand with the doctor

609
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:32.279
because that's what I've always wanted and where we've always been

610
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:32.640
going.

611
00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:34.799
And the doctor said to her earlier.

612
00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:36.960
That's the only thing that I've ever wanted as well.

613
00:30:37.019 --> 00:30:40.019
I think it's kind of sad that doesn't get to see that.

614
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:41.700
Yes, it's heartbreaking.

615
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:42.779
Yep, he never knows.

616
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:47.819
But it does fit the theme of without hope, without witness, without

617
00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:48.240
reward.

618
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.559
It's an entirely selfless moment for her.

619
00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:55.440
And that's kind of what the doctor's been teaching.

620
00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:57.420
You know, you're not being good to impress me.

621
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:00.180
Charity is my charity if it's performative.

622
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.720
And, you know, I think Stephen Moffatt does do something clever

623
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:09.119
with it in that it's hinted, but not overtly stated that John Sim

624
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.240
is going to regenerate into Michelle Gomez because their memories

625
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.940
surrounding this are murky at best.

626
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:20.519
And so I think Stephen Moffat has done that in order to say if

627
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:25.019
Chris Chibnall or whoever takes on Doctor Who after that wants to

628
00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:29.700
bring the master back, we can always say this is between John Simm

629
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:30.720
and Michelle Gomez.

630
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.400
Or it's not.

631
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.579
I think it's significant that we do never say that.

632
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:39.779
And I also don't think that it works in the context of a long

633
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:40.259
running program.

634
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.680
Like, that's such fan wank, I think, to say, you know, it's

635
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:47.279
actually the master between the bald guy and Peter Pratt now.

636
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:51.960
And like, like, I just kind of think, who cares?

637
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.859
Like, the fact is, when the master comes back, there's none of

638
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:57.180
this ambiguity.

639
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:01.200
None of the sort of interesting nuance that Michelle Gomez brought

640
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:01.859
to the character.

641
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.019
And I think that's a shame.

642
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.599
I think it would have been a good idea to just leave the master

643
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:12.599
alone. for a bit longer and then bring them back at a point where

644
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.599
you don't properly have to explain that or something.

645
00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:19.380
Yeah, not to the same audience that's watching the show 3 years

646
00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:19.680
later.

647
00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:21.599
You know, you bring it back, something happened in a classic

648
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.039
series, something happened in a new series.

649
00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:23.819
That's a golf.

650
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:24.839
You can do whatever you want.

651
00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:26.700
Well, it's like when he bought Missy into the show.

652
00:32:26.819 --> 00:32:28.259
There'd been a gap with the master.

653
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:33.119
Yeah, and you never really properly explained like there's lines

654
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:36.059
here and there, but you can fill in gaps as you need to.

655
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.720
I mean, certainly the master is playing it.

656
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:44.099
There's that fantastic moment where he's there applying eyeline

657
00:32:44.099 --> 00:32:46.140
just kind of getting to practice.

658
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.319
So they're 18, that style.

659
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:51.420
So great.

660
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.940
Similar kind of outlook on the world.

661
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:57.960
So brilliant.

662
00:32:58.019 --> 00:32:59.819
That is a great moment, is it?

663
00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:01.740
With his eyeliner.

664
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.920
I love the fact they don't even, so to speak, highlight it.

665
00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:05.700
No, it's amazing.

666
00:33:05.819 --> 00:33:08.279
There's no comment on it or anything and it's just there.

667
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:09.539
He's just getting practising.

668
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.559
But it's so it's so John Simms.

669
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.380
Like, I just, you know, it just is.

670
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.400
And interestingly enough, John Simm, once he knew he was coming

671
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.660
back, binge watched Peter Capaldi's 1st 2 seasons to get an

672
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:26.880
impression of what he was getting into, but Cho...

673
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.740
What did he think of the woman who lived?

674
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.259
It should have been a Farrell.

675
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.859
But he declined to rewatch any of his previous stuff because as

676
00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:41.460
far as he was concerned, even before he got the script, he's like

677
00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:45.240
this is my master years later. don't want to play in the same

678
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:45.480
way.

679
00:33:45.539 --> 00:33:50.220
I want to approach it with the memory of what I did, not the

680
00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:53.759
actuality of what I did and with how I would play it now and with

681
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:56.339
how I would play it meeting Michelle Gomez's version.

682
00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:00.240
And I think that gives us a much stronger performance than we've

683
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:00.839
seen from him before.

684
00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:03.779
Well, that's him and Simon both.

685
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:05.460
They both decline to watch those episodes.

686
00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:10.440
That is so considered.

687
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.619
Like, you know, what a good actor to be able to come to that

688
00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:16.440
conclusion and take that on board and decide that's the journey

689
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:17.159
I'm going to go on.

690
00:34:17.219 --> 00:34:21.239
Like that really does impact the whole performance here.

691
00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:24.300
And it's what the script wants him to do, isn't it?

692
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:25.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

693
00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:25.679
Brilliant.

694
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.599
So we're wrapping up the Masters.

695
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:40.199
We've got Nardol and who's the next person that we need to sort of

696
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:41.099
say goodbye to.

697
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.139
Here's what I'm going to say.

698
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:43.679
What?

699
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:48.239
It may be the best companion departure in the new series.

700
00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:52.920
It really is absolutely amazingly good.

701
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:55.079
It feels so appropriate somehow.

702
00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:56.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

703
00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:58.380
And it's someone who never had an arrival.

704
00:34:58.440 --> 00:34:59.219
Do you know what I mean?

705
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.579
Like by the time we realised he was travelling with a doctor, he'd

706
00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:04.380
been doing it for a while.

707
00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:05.820
The Bonnie Langford arc.

708
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:06.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

709
00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:08.280
So all of that's very strange.

710
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:15.599
But, like, it's the moment where the doctor describes what he has

711
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.800
to do, which is kind of to stay on this floor and blow himself up

712
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:24.539
compared to having to help these people start a new life and

713
00:35:24.539 --> 00:35:25.920
defend them if necessary.

714
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.880
Ends up as a protector for a bunch of kids Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

715
00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:33.119
And it's which of which of you are stronger.

716
00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:39.179
And Matt Lucas actually makes it clear why he's stronger.

717
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.559
Like he is the stronger one.

718
00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:41.699
Made of metal.

719
00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:43.619
Well, there's that.

720
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:48.780
But it's also just the idea that the doctor can't trust himself to

721
00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:52.739
stay in one place for a long period of time.

722
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.539
Let's not think about time of the doctor for a second. can't trust

723
00:35:57.539 --> 00:36:00.480
himself to stay in one place for a period of time to do a job and

724
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.940
he needed Nardol there to criticise him, keep him on track, prevent

725
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:08.099
him from running away and all of that.

726
00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:12.360
There's something in Matt Lucas's performance that brings that out

727
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.840
that, yes, you know, I am stronger than you.

728
00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:17.460
And I think that's really good.

729
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.199
This is where we've always been heading.

730
00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:22.800
Yeah, yeah, but there's also that Bill says to him, you'll think

731
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.000
of the right words later, and he says, he never will be able to

732
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:27.719
find the words.

733
00:36:28.260 --> 00:36:32.159
So strength of the characters, the strength of his performance and

734
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.340
with commented before comic actors, when they're given dramatic

735
00:36:35.340 --> 00:36:40.380
stuff to do, really do come to the party, 99.9% of the time.

736
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.960
But also, you know that he's going to defend these people on

737
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.219
another level.

738
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.219
And they're still on this ship and the cybermen will still be

739
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:48.239
coming for them one day.

740
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:52.559
There is an inevitability to their destruction and that is just

741
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.019
heartbreaking as well.

742
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.500
There's a sobriety to his performance that we've seen flashes of

743
00:36:58.500 --> 00:36:58.800
before.

744
00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:02.099
I can remember moments in oxygen, where it's the same.

745
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.559
And it really makes you think that, yes, although he is comic

746
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.440
relief, there's a whole lot more to him.

747
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:11.159
And it puts me in mind of another of my favourite companion

748
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.639
departures from the classic series, which is Turlow, because it's

749
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.519
so low-key and understate and someone just going off to do what

750
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:18.239
they have to do.

751
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:22.800
In fact, even though he says, I will never find the right words.

752
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:28.380
The very next scene has him directing those people, encouraging

753
00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:31.739
them, you know, caring for them, looking after them, like saying

754
00:37:31.739 --> 00:37:37.139
just the perfect thing, to make it clear that he's absolutely the

755
00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:38.159
right fit for the job.

756
00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:39.239
He always had the right words.

757
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.860
Yeah, yeah, it's really good.

758
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.179
It is really great.

759
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:45.840
I was surprised by how moved I was by that.

760
00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:48.539
But it's also good that we then see him with the kids.

761
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:49.320
Yeah.

762
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.960
On a new level, having a life.

763
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:54.239
They're safe for now. you know what I mean?

764
00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:55.800
And that's all that ever happens.

765
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:58.440
All you ever get is safe for now, I think.

766
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.320
And so I think that's a good ending.

767
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:04.860
Like bad things will happen inevitably they will.

768
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.639
But we have a good ending for him.

769
00:38:08.699 --> 00:38:10.079
I think it's I think it's really great.

770
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:14.880
And it just adds to the feeling of the episode, the melancholy

771
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.039
that you know this era is wrapping up.

772
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:19.679
You think, okay, this is the last time I'm going to see Nuttle.

773
00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:21.420
This is the goodbye scene you realise halfway through.

774
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:22.079
Yeah.

775
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:23.159
Yeah.

776
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:28.380
There's a line that was cut in an earlier stage of the draft.

777
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.840
And it's interesting because I think it shows how Stephen

778
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.019
Moffatt's writing kind of works as he goes through drafts.

779
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.039
When the doctor's saying goodbye to Nardol, one of the last things

780
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:42.539
he says to him is, I like saving lives, please do me the courtesy

781
00:38:42.539 --> 00:38:44.039
of allowing me to save yours.

782
00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:48.780
And on the surface, that's a lovely line, but what we get on

783
00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:55.019
screen instead is much subtler and allows the actors to imbue that

784
00:38:55.019 --> 00:38:58.380
meaning into the words without just saying it outright.

785
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.679
And sort of reading up the development of this script.

786
00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:05.280
There's a lot of dialogue that goes by the wayside over various

787
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:10.260
drafts that is fine and functional and not clunky, but what it

788
00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:14.820
gets changed into renders that original line as the subtext.

789
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.539
And I think that's a beautiful example in that, if Peter Capaldi

790
00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:21.059
had said that, I still would have been in floods of tears in that

791
00:39:21.059 --> 00:39:25.739
scene, but what we get with those lines about responsibility and

792
00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:31.139
service is so much better, but still says that not only does the

793
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:37.320
doctor want to save Nadol, Nadol is doing the doctor a favour by

794
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.159
leaving because it's the doctor doesn't have to worry about him in

795
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:41.400
the moment.

796
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:48.420
I also think what's interesting is that neither companion leaves

797
00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:52.380
on good terms with the doctor.

798
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.420
And so there's a sort of comedy line, isn't there?

799
00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:59.400
When Dole says, I'm going to name a town after you, but it'll be a

800
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:00.539
really rubbish one.

801
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.460
And probably a pig.

802
00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:05.460
You're probably a pig.

803
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.960
And then there's Bill, who was abandoned by the doctor for 10

804
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.340
years and came too late to rescue her.

805
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:18.179
She doesn't torment him because of that, but there isn't a good

806
00:40:18.179 --> 00:40:20.639
goodbye for them either.

807
00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:24.840
And so she has that thing where she says, remember how I like

808
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:27.119
women and people my own age.

809
00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:31.079
And he says, yes, and she says, good, I'm glad you know that.

810
00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:33.420
And she kind of leaves.

811
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.820
She said something I can't think of anything.

812
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.000
Yeah, we can't think of anything to say to one another at this

813
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:39.239
point.

814
00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:40.079
I've got nothing.

815
00:40:40.139 --> 00:40:41.760
Like, I've got nothing to say.

816
00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:44.760
And so he never sees her again after that.

817
00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:47.039
Like that's the end of the relationship.

818
00:40:47.099 --> 00:40:48.119
It doesn't end in a good way.

819
00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:50.940
But it's also heartbreaking too, because then later on when she

820
00:40:50.940 --> 00:40:53.219
actually is in the TARDIS and she gets to say things to him.

821
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.059
Yes.

822
00:40:54.059 --> 00:40:56.760
He never hears, like, he doesn't really hear that.

823
00:40:56.820 --> 00:41:00.960
I mean, maybe he does with the tear and that and that's why we're

824
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.900
heading to a regeneration, but he doesn't actually hear it like

825
00:41:03.900 --> 00:41:05.159
one-on-one, you know?

826
00:41:05.219 --> 00:41:09.900
I mean, in a way, we walk that back in the next episode, but

827
00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:13.139
there's a few months and maybe we just have to do that.

828
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.099
And it is perhaps that thing that he pulled at the end of series 8

829
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:20.699
where series 8 ends on a very bleak note.

830
00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:24.179
And it's so bleak that Santa has to break into the closing credits

831
00:41:24.179 --> 00:41:26.519
to tell us that everything's going to be all right at Christmas.

832
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:31.019
Here it is bleak and we leave in a bad way, but it is kind of

833
00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:34.500
inevitably fixed, I think, in the Christmas special.

834
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.019
It's surprising though, isn't it?

835
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.639
It is.

836
00:41:38.699 --> 00:41:43.739
And I mean, that scene with Bill and Stargirl in the TARDIS is

837
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:45.119
hopeful in its own way.

838
00:41:45.179 --> 00:41:51.420
And the scene of Bill leaning over the prone doctor and her tears

839
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:55.860
is so pre-regeneration that even though it's not a regeneration, it

840
00:41:55.860 --> 00:41:57.360
almost brings me to tears as well.

841
00:41:57.420 --> 00:41:58.500
Yeah, yeah.

842
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.139
But also having her cyber body just collapse.

843
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.019
And then her standing there with Stargirl.

844
00:42:04.019 --> 00:42:06.539
With all of the water pouring off them and stuff.

845
00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:07.139
Yeah.

846
00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:11.760
Rachel Tellerlay, like just masters this episode.

847
00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:13.019
She's always amazing.

848
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.840
But everything you need is there on screen and so poetically

849
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:16.139
done.

850
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.619
But she nails that entire battlefield, like, you know, that whole

851
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:22.440
explosion and obviously the doctor leading up to that where he

852
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:26.940
lists all of the different cyber planets or planet 14.

853
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.760
Oh, so that's one thing that we didn't know.

854
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:30.900
Mariners.

855
00:42:31.019 --> 00:42:31.860
What that?

856
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:37.619
So there has been a fan theory around for ages, and I think there

857
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:40.739
were some comics, areas of Action magazine comic in the other days

858
00:42:40.739 --> 00:42:45.000
that suggested that the Vord turn into the cyberman or their sort

859
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:46.619
of proto-cyberman in some way.

860
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:48.360
So that's a theory.

861
00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:54.179
And so what Moffat has done is he's created a better backstory for

862
00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:56.699
the Cybermen than we ever had before.

863
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.880
And the thing is that they're now inevitable.

864
00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:03.480
There's something that happens to human beings eventually in

865
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:04.739
certain circumstances.

866
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:07.320
It's like Battlestar Galacturate, it's just cyclical.

867
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.340
Yeah, yeah.

868
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.239
And and so, you know, the original one was the 10th planet one

869
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:13.260
with Mondas.

870
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.500
And then we had Russell's one with sort of cybers industries and

871
00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:16.860
stuff.

872
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:25.139
And that was kind of a little bit, it's spoiled slightly, I think

873
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:28.739
that series 2 thing by the fact that we discovered during the

874
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:31.559
course of that year that Billy's going to be left behind on that

875
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:32.579
parallel world.

876
00:43:32.579 --> 00:43:37.860
And so they largely have to cut the idea that everyone's sick on

877
00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:39.179
that parallel world.

878
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.900
And there is one surviving line of dialogue about it, but

879
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:45.420
otherwise we have to downplay it because that's going to be Rose's

880
00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:46.619
final destination.

881
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.139
And so that backstory doesn't quite work.

882
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.019
The cyber cyberman backstory doesn't work at all.

883
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.000
But here we get it gloriously solved, that Zeidman just arise all

884
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:57.539
the time.

885
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.599
It explains planet 14, which was otherwise completely

886
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:01.980
inexplicable.

887
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.579
So it does all of this sort of weird ass fan.

888
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:10.440
Like, it's absolutely the opposite of a fan theory for the genesis

889
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:13.800
of the cybermen because it doesn't exhaust the idea.

890
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.539
So it didn't happen in this particular way.

891
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:16.739
Could have happened in any of this.

892
00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:18.119
Yes, and it keeps happening.

893
00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:20.219
They're all origins of the cybermen.

894
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:21.659
Everything is true.

895
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:27.119
So he does that in a sort of really cannon busting way while being

896
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:28.920
as fan wanky as possible.

897
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:31.800
So fan wacky, in fact, that Todd didn't even get one of the

898
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:32.699
references.

899
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.619
That's how deep the cut was.

900
00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:37.440
What does it say about me, Nathan?

901
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.960
that you are a normal person?

902
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:41.400
Oh, thank God.

903
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:45.000
But yeah, but him like gets going through the forest and shooting

904
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.739
is like magic wand and just reeling off like, you know, Tellos and

905
00:44:49.739 --> 00:44:53.400
Volga and Planet 14 and and every child everywhere.

906
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:58.440
Yeah, and the moon and then, and then the Mondassian Simon

907
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:02.280
stopping, stopping him in his tracks and, you know, they don't

908
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.579
need a doctor, but I'm the doctor, the original, you might say.

909
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:10.500
So I don't know if that line quite works, but it's there for a

910
00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:11.280
reason, obviously.

911
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:12.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

912
00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:15.719
I think it's probably there because Peter Capaldi's like, oh, could

913
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.539
I say, could I say that bit from the 5 doctors, could I?

914
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:19.380
Could I?

915
00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:20.219
Could I?

916
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:26.460
It's interesting also with the whole Cybermen parallel evolution

917
00:45:26.460 --> 00:45:30.000
thing in that it's something that Jerry Davis talked about because

918
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.280
of course, the novelisations of the moon base and tomb of the

919
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.639
Cybermen contain a prologue that doesn't mention Mondas.

920
00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:41.820
It just says the side men came from Telos.

921
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:42.420
Yeah, exactly.

922
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:46.019
And Jerry Davis once said in an interview that as far as he's

923
00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:49.320
concerned, the cybermen from Mondass and the cybermen from Telos

924
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:53.219
are separate and distinct groups of cybermen, and that also

925
00:45:53.219 --> 00:45:54.659
explains the difference in appearance.

926
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.380
And he's like, but they evolved for the same reason in the same

927
00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:01.860
way, is like much like different cultures on earth will come up

928
00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:05.820
with the same concepts, same words, same technologies.

929
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:11.280
And then, of course, you know, we get to 1985 and Eric Sayward and

930
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:15.119
Ian Levine write a story that attempts to bring the continuities

931
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:15.539
together.

932
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.400
And I think both approaches are legitimate.

933
00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:24.119
But I do love the idea that wherever there are humans or humanoids

934
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.659
they will always tend towards the cybermen.

935
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:34.199
And as for, as for the whole Planet 14 marinous thing, that comic

936
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.260
I believe it's called the World Shapers, is so wonderfully

937
00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:40.920
ridiculous, and also Jamie McCrimon returns in it as an old man

938
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:47.519
and attacks, attacks the Cybervord, and yeah, it's the 6th Dr. and

939
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:48.119
Perry comic.

940
00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:50.099
It is available in a collected edition.

941
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.079
I believe called the World Shapers.

942
00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:52.559
So yeah.

943
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:55.860
It's Phobisher in it as well.

944
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.300
Frobisher is in it.

945
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:58.920
Frobisher is in it.

946
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.320
What about Mestor?

947
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.119
Why not?

948
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:07.619
Well, who says Frobisher wasn't messed over all the time?

949
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:08.760
Just, you know, messing about?

950
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:13.199
It's it's funny, isn't it, that I think the show becomes almost

951
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:18.659
immediately embarrassed by the 10th planet and by the way that the

952
00:47:18.659 --> 00:47:22.380
cybermen were realised and even their backstory.

953
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:26.219
And I think junking the mondas thing where the cybermen come from

954
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:29.340
a planet that's just the earth only upside down.

955
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.400
Like I think they decide that's too silly and we're not going to

956
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:33.360
mention it again.

957
00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:36.059
And it turns out, of course, that it's not too silly.

958
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:40.860
It's brilliant and it worked superbly.

959
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:41.760
And we lean into it.

960
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:43.619
This episode, we see Mondas.

961
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.239
I mean, we see Mondes on the screen.

962
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.840
Can you not use the word junking in relation to the 10th planet?

963
00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:50.219
Just give me the PTSD.

964
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.539
What do you think about the return of, um, Heather and her as a

965
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:09.960
pilot?

966
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.739
Like, the whole, um, I don't want to say it like this, but I'll

967
00:48:13.739 --> 00:48:16.980
say it get out of jail free card, but it is there, obviously, for

968
00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:20.460
a reason, so we don't just have Bill is a cyberman.

969
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:21.539
Like that's it.

970
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:27.059
Beautiful shot of the star in the in the water, isn't it?

971
00:48:27.659 --> 00:48:31.199
on the battlefield and then and then her appearing.

972
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:36.239
I think what is interesting is that Moffat doesn't allow the

973
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:40.860
doctor to fix the problem. that the doctor can't fix the problem

974
00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:45.599
but someone new, a new kind of thing, a whole new sort of thing

975
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:46.920
can solve the problem.

976
00:48:46.980 --> 00:48:53.219
And it's something that he already knew would happen when he was

977
00:48:53.219 --> 00:48:54.300
riding the pilot.

978
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.659
And I think it's really terrific.

979
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.920
I think a little bit more magical, something a little bit...

980
00:49:02.099 --> 00:49:04.440
When Clara leaves.

981
00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:09.239
She also leaves with a woman to travel through time and space

982
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:10.500
forever.

983
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:14.159
So this is the 2nd time his pull that, right?

984
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:18.900
But Bill gets a whole new mythology and a whole new kind of

985
00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:19.559
thing.

986
00:49:19.619 --> 00:49:24.360
She's not travelling in a time machine from the planet Galafray.

987
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:27.480
Something different and strange and unknowable is happening.

988
00:49:27.539 --> 00:49:28.860
And I do like that.

989
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.519
I think that makes it sufficiently different and sufficiently

990
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.059
interesting.

991
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.300
And heather succeeds where the doctor has failed.

992
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:43.500
The doctor couldn't protect or fix Bill, like he said he would, but

993
00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:44.340
Heather managed it.

994
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.659
But Heather's evolved.

995
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.199
Like from those 1st episodes where she could only mimic and give

996
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:50.280
her tears.

997
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.159
Now, she can pilot the TARDIS, right?

998
00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:56.579
She can appear wherever, like she's been following Bill.

999
00:49:56.639 --> 00:50:00.360
She, whatever that thing was back in episode one, they said the

1000
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:01.199
pilot is acquired.

1001
00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:04.679
Like she is something, some mystery that we'll never really know.

1002
00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:05.340
Yeah.

1003
00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:11.099
And the fact that also like she can make Bill Human again gives, I

1004
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:15.119
think all of us a little bit of hope or there's something there at

1005
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.760
the end of the episode where they'll turn up and make me human

1006
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:18.000
again.

1007
00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:21.360
Well, it doesn't it doesn't foreclose any possibility.

1008
00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:27.480
It allows you to, like, because Clara's story was going to end

1009
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.539
with her next heartbeat, like a heart to stop beating.

1010
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:31.199
Right?

1011
00:50:31.260 --> 00:50:35.039
Are we between her 2nd last and her last ever heartbeat or

1012
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.099
something like that and that's where these things are going to

1013
00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:38.519
happen.

1014
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:43.800
Whereas Bill's story is much, much more open and it's kind of like

1015
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:44.340
yes.

1016
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:51.539
And in fact, I really like too, how Bill takes control. like it's

1017
00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:56.460
been 10 years for her more than 10 years since she met Heather.

1018
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.199
I'll show you around.

1019
00:50:58.260 --> 00:51:01.619
You know, yes, she says, I can make you human.

1020
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:02.940
I can send you back to earth.

1021
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:07.139
You can continue making chips or we can do something different and

1022
00:51:07.139 --> 00:51:09.719
then she actually says, well, no, I'm going to show you around

1023
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:10.199
first.

1024
00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:15.300
And so just the openness, because we're never going to see Bill

1025
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:15.900
again.

1026
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.900
And there's that beautiful moment where she says, I know the

1027
00:51:18.900 --> 00:51:20.099
universe is big.

1028
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.579
She actually, does she quote from Curse of Fatal Death, or she

1029
00:51:23.579 --> 00:51:25.920
might nearly die. doesn't she?

1030
00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:29.519
Where she says, I can't believe you're gone because the universe

1031
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:33.360
is going to need you again and you'll be back when that happens.

1032
00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:34.920
It's beautiful.

1033
00:51:34.980 --> 00:51:39.900
And then while there's tears, there's hope, which to me sort of

1034
00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:43.800
harks back to Sarah Jane crying over her to me back in the day a

1035
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:44.340
number of times.

1036
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.099
Yeah, it's just it's magical.

1037
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:52.019
And it gives you hope and it's beautiful after all this horrible

1038
00:51:52.019 --> 00:51:53.159
stuff that's gone down.

1039
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:54.300
It is beautiful.

1040
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:59.760
And it's also it's gorgeous that it spills tear and her heartache

1041
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.280
over the doctor that kind of manifests heather.

1042
00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:07.739
And the fact that the end of the previous episode was Bill with a

1043
00:52:07.739 --> 00:52:09.659
tear in her eye over what had happened.

1044
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.699
It all sort of links back in.

1045
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.519
And the pilot, the tear at the end of the pilot, which says isn't

1046
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:14.699
mine.

1047
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.960
And the tear goes on the doctor and then he wakes up.

1048
00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:22.619
But he has a flashback to every single companion, except for

1049
00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:23.400
Rory.

1050
00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:24.179
Why is this?

1051
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:25.380
Why is this?

1052
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:26.340
It annoys me to this day.

1053
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:26.940
Why?

1054
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.039
They had to fit in, Madame Vastra.

1055
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:30.960
I know. don't understand.

1056
00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:34.920
Every flashback with companions has to leave one of them out.

1057
00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:35.820
Yeah.

1058
00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:38.639
Like in Resurrection of the Daleks.

1059
00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:40.380
Where's Louise?

1060
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:41.400
Where's Louise?

1061
00:52:41.460 --> 00:52:42.239
Exactly.

1062
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:43.679
It annoys me.

1063
00:52:43.739 --> 00:52:44.760
It annoys me to this day.

1064
00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:45.840
Yeah, yeah.

1065
00:52:46.500 --> 00:52:52.139
On the topic of Bill and Heather, I think what it really brings

1066
00:52:52.139 --> 00:52:57.539
around is the fact that the doctor understood what Heather had

1067
00:52:57.539 --> 00:53:01.619
become and allowed Bill to handle it way back in the pilot.

1068
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:05.159
And then the fact that he decides not to white Bill's memory.

1069
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:10.139
Those are the things that feed into heather being able to save the

1070
00:53:10.139 --> 00:53:11.519
bill and the doctor.

1071
00:53:11.579 --> 00:53:16.019
So it kind of harks back to sort of the Eccleston era where a lot

1072
00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:18.659
of the time the doctor didn't directly solve the problem. but

1073
00:53:18.659 --> 00:53:21.719
inspired others who stepped up and solved it.

1074
00:53:21.780 --> 00:53:26.460
Another thing it reminds me of is Astrid, you know, the best the

1075
00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:30.599
doctor can do is that Astrid is a semi-sentient cloud of sparkle

1076
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.139
dust flying around the universe for the rest of time. pretty much

1077
00:53:34.139 --> 00:53:35.039
is Kylie Minogue.

1078
00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:35.639
Yeah that's true.

1079
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.980
Yeah, 5 foot, nothing.

1080
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:39.659
And I can say that.

1081
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:45.840
So it's kind of like we are getting sort of a few old style

1082
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:51.480
solutions, but as you touched on Nathan comparing it to Clara, it's

1083
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:52.860
kind of like Stephen Moffatt.

1084
00:53:52.980 --> 00:53:56.400
First of all, and this is a direct quote from Stephen Moffat, his

1085
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.460
motivation for this story was to do the worst possible thing to

1086
00:53:59.460 --> 00:54:01.679
Bill Potts and see if we could get back out of it.

1087
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:09.300
But it also seems like he's gone, okay, where have sort of past

1088
00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:13.139
companion departures been cruel and let's not do that again?

1089
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:16.739
So Bill doesn't get mind wiped the way Donna does.

1090
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.380
She can return to her life, unlike Clara.

1091
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:23.159
She is fully aware of what has happened to her, unlike Astrid.

1092
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.619
Doesn't have a hair shaved off like perigrine.

1093
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:26.579
Yep, absolutely.

1094
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:27.599
Is it?

1095
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:28.440
Isn't sent off.

1096
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.280
To the upside of that.

1097
00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:32.760
You know, she is sent off to a country house to recuperate, but we

1098
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:34.559
actually see her again on like dodo.

1099
00:54:34.619 --> 00:54:38.039
So, and of course, this was going to be Stephen Moffat's last

1100
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.920
contribution to the program, I think this is him kind of going, I'm

1101
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:43.079
still going to do my thing and everyone's going to suffer.

1102
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:48.539
But I'm going to sort of respond to criticisms that were raised

1103
00:54:48.539 --> 00:54:52.199
raised against my writing and I'm going to do this and I cried

1104
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.780
watching it again this morning, of course.

1105
00:54:54.840 --> 00:55:00.420
But I remember vividly in 2017, the 2nd heather came out of that

1106
00:55:00.420 --> 00:55:00.960
puddle.

1107
00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:05.820
I was just sobbing and I had I had to rewatch the last 10 minutes

1108
00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:09.539
because I missed it the 1st time around because I was just sobbing

1109
00:55:09.539 --> 00:55:13.139
so hard that we got...

1110
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:19.320
But just that we got a wonderful ending. for 2 queer characters.

1111
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.260
And a queer ending for 2 quick, Eric.

1112
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:22.739
That's right.

1113
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.260
I posed the question last week, you know, how did this feed into

1114
00:55:25.260 --> 00:55:26.699
the bury your gaze trope?

1115
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:27.719
And I think you're absolutely right.

1116
00:55:27.780 --> 00:55:29.820
We do get a great ending in the end.

1117
00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:32.940
Do you know Bill and Heather's last name?

1118
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.980
Uh, Hartnell.

1119
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:35.519
Correct.

1120
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.260
I think about these episodes.

1121
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.000
This one, the last one in totality.

1122
00:55:42.059 --> 00:55:44.699
And, you know, these were meant to be Stephen Swong song.

1123
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.079
And they are a modern classic.

1124
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:49.800
They are best of in the modern series, I think.

1125
00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:52.800
And do you remember friendly podcast, Tom Spielsbury, who appeared

1126
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:54.539
on The Magician's Apprentice with us.

1127
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:59.519
He did the big Doctor Who magazine poll in 2023. and they only

1128
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:03.420
listed the stories in doctor orders.

1129
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.760
So you could never compare and contrast what they came, but he had

1130
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:10.019
the big file, and we know that world enough and time, and the Dr

1131
00:56:10.019 --> 00:56:15.420
Falls came in 3rd overall in every story that has ever been.

1132
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.559
They came behind Cave Zone, Design, and Blink, and ahead of the

1133
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:23.219
city of death, these episodes are beloved, and for good reason.

1134
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.840
But the ending is also, at the time, I was just absolutely stunned

1135
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.599
like, you know, the doctors outside, says what he has to say, and

1136
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:33.420
then you hear that voice through the snow and the fog.

1137
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.940
And at the time I was going, I was lost for words.

1138
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.440
I was just going, 0 my god, they're not doing this.

1139
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:38.579
They can't be doing this.

1140
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.579
You know, having had David Bradley in an adventure in space and

1141
00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:42.300
time.

1142
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:46.860
And then he walks in and I, I was just sort of, I just thought, 0

1143
00:56:46.860 --> 00:56:49.500
my goodness, like, this is incredible.

1144
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:50.280
What an ending.

1145
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:56.460
So I haven't rewatched Ice Upon a Time since I watched it for the

1146
00:56:56.460 --> 00:56:57.420
1st time.

1147
00:56:57.480 --> 00:56:59.880
And I was...

1148
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:00.420
Once upon a time.

1149
00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:02.820
Impressed, I have to say.

1150
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:08.639
But I think it's super interesting, and I do think that Bradley's

1151
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:10.800
performance in that moment is so good.

1152
00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:12.239
Like he nails it.

1153
00:57:12.300 --> 00:57:16.260
Like, you know it's the doctor straight away even before you see

1154
00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:16.679
him.

1155
00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:18.059
I think it is pretty incredible.

1156
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:23.039
So it was a great conceit, but I just don't know how much I want

1157
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:26.219
to watch an episode where the doctor essentially wants to kill

1158
00:57:26.219 --> 00:57:28.800
himself and as they'd persuade it not to.

1159
00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:30.780
I just think that's a bit miserable.

1160
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.420
Well, maybe so, but at this point in time we don't really know

1161
00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:33.659
that.

1162
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:34.260
Yes.

1163
00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:37.440
And so there's all this anticipation and I have watched twice upon

1164
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:37.980
a time again.

1165
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:39.900
And I think David Bradley's very good.

1166
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:42.420
Unfortunately, he's got 6 lines in there, which is the worst 6

1167
00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:45.480
lines ever given too. the 1st doctor ever, right?

1168
00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:47.940
But he said, I'm going to put you over my knee and give you a

1169
00:57:47.940 --> 00:57:48.840
jolly good smack box.

1170
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:50.820
Well, that's obviously the building.

1171
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.300
The building block for the rest of the building, except Bill does

1172
00:57:54.300 --> 00:57:57.360
get a really good one up on the other 2 of them in the TARDIS, but

1173
00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:58.260
I'm sure you'll discuss that.

1174
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.159
But just this doing this at the end of this, like, you know, how

1175
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:03.000
is it going to end?

1176
00:58:03.059 --> 00:58:05.820
And having that, I was just blown away, you know?

1177
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:07.440
And it's the beginning as well.

1178
00:58:07.500 --> 00:58:10.139
Like, in a sense, this is a regeneration story because it opens

1179
00:58:10.139 --> 00:58:13.320
with a doctor in the middle of regenerating, which is pretty

1180
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:14.460
gray.

1181
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:16.260
And so we end up there as well.

1182
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.139
They both just encountered Mondassian cybermen.

1183
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.360
They've both just encountered Mondace and Cybermen.

1184
00:58:21.420 --> 00:58:22.199
It's a full loop.

1185
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:23.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1186
00:58:23.340 --> 00:58:27.719
And also, it's always kind of wonderful to see the South Pole

1187
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:33.239
realised now in 2017 compared to how it was realised in 1966.

1188
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:36.119
Hey, there was nothing wrong with the 1966 version.

1189
00:58:36.179 --> 00:58:39.059
But it does look amazing in 2017, I think.

1190
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:44.039
I do think like the sort of ogry looking ice blocks surrounding

1191
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:48.900
the TARDIS are a bit like, um, this is where the digital matte

1192
00:58:48.900 --> 00:58:49.559
painting starts.

1193
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:07.739
All right, it's the second part of a two part story.

1194
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:11.280
It's been a long while since we've done this, and that can only

1195
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:12.840
mean picks of the week.

1196
00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:16.260
So, Todd, what would you like to recommend?

1197
00:59:16.980 --> 00:59:20.639
I have just returned from my honeymoon to the UK and I got the

1198
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:26.099
opportunity to go to the BFI and watch the new extended cut of the

1199
00:59:26.099 --> 00:59:28.079
Happiness Patrol with new special effects.

1200
00:59:28.139 --> 00:59:29.340
It's absolutely glorious.

1201
00:59:29.340 --> 00:59:31.380
And that is my pick of the week.

1202
00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:33.840
If you get a chance to watch that on the Blu-ray.

1203
00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:34.380
Please do so.

1204
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:39.179
My pick of the week will be the excellent horror of who podcast

1205
00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:43.199
hosted by Saul Merte from the Surgeons of Horror team.

1206
00:59:43.260 --> 00:59:47.579
Nathan and I appeared on a bunch of episodes talking about the

1207
00:59:47.579 --> 00:59:49.380
cybermen in the black and white years.

1208
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.920
So I'd recommend that you track down Hartnell's horror part 4

1209
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:56.820
where we discuss more about the Mondacian sidemen and why they're

1210
00:59:56.820 --> 00:59:57.239
so effective.

1211
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:57.719
Yeah.

1212
00:59:57.719 --> 00:59:58.380
Yeah.

1213
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:00.780
Brendan was on that before in fact.

1214
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:02.219
Indeed.

1215
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:08.760
My pick of the week is a fan project by the YouTuber George Shard

1216
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:09.719
or George Shard.

1217
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:11.579
I am not sure how I pronounces it, but it's written like Michael

1218
01:00:11.579 --> 01:00:12.239
Sheard.

1219
01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:13.980
Is there an apostrophe in there?

1220
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:15.480
There is not an apostrophe.

1221
01:00:15.539 --> 01:00:17.639
So he's not sh-ard.

1222
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:24.360
But he, a few years ago, did a wonderful re-edit of this story

1223
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:30.059
called World and Often Time noir, where he reimagined it as a

1224
01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:35.400
black and white 60 story, cut it to 4 by 3 aspect ratio, used

1225
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:40.260
things like space adventure and music concrete in the soundtrack.

1226
01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:42.659
You can find trailers for it on YouTube.

1227
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.179
We're linked to one of those in the show notes, and from there, he

1228
01:00:45.179 --> 01:00:47.579
explains how to get the full version, because obviously he's not

1229
01:00:47.579 --> 01:00:50.099
going to upload the full version onto YouTube, but it is available

1230
01:00:50.099 --> 01:00:51.599
through private distribution.

1231
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.300
Much like Todd's recommendation of the Happiness Patrol special

1232
01:00:54.300 --> 01:00:56.760
edition, it doesn't replace the original, but it's a really

1233
01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:57.960
fascinating way to watch it.

1234
01:00:58.019 --> 01:01:04.980
And my pick of the week is 500-year diary, because we are getting

1235
01:01:04.980 --> 01:01:11.159
very close to the end of this leg of our flight through entirety

1236
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:17.699
we will be taking a couple of years off at least once we do our

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Peter Capoldi retrospective on New Year's Day.

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And what we will be doing instead is going back and taking another

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different look at some of the things that we've already discussed

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and exploring some things that we never had the chance to

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explore.

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There's already a season of 500 year diary called New Beginnings

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where we look at some soft reboots for the main show and the pilot

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episodes of a couple of spinoffs.

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And at the beginning of next year, we will be doing a new season

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called the 2nd coming, in which we look at the 2nd time.

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We see some of the doctor's most fearsome adversaries.

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I'm really proud of the 1st season of 500-year diary.

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I think it was really good.

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I really enjoy doing it.

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I think you'll enjoy listening to it.

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So you can find it wherever you get your podcasts and it's

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available on its website, 500yearDiary.com.

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Oh, and it doesn't matter, by the way, whether you use the

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numerals or the words, both of them work.

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You're very proud of.

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Oh, yeah.

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Well, that's all the time we have for this week.

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We'll be back next week to behold what we've wrought over the past

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few months in the Series 10 retrospective.

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In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts

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and you can keep up with us on our website, flightthroughentirety

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com, where you'll find our social media links as well as links to

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all of our other podcasts, including our other Doctor Who podcasts

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500-year diary, and the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire.

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Until next time, where there's tears, there's hope.

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Thank you very much for listening and good night.

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Good night.

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See you soon.

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Good night, everyone.

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That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan

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Bottomley, Brendan Jones, and Peter Griffiths.

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Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode, Safe for Now, was recorded on the 3rd of November

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2024 and released on the 1st of December.

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And now at the end of the series, it's time for us to thank the

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people who joined us on the sofa of reasonable comfort this year.

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B.J.

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Hobbs, Melvin Peña, Kate Orman, Stephen B, Johnny Spandrel, Tom

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Selinski, Toby Hadoke, and John Dorney.

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We'll see you next week.

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That reminds me, is Islambulance.com still active?

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Yes, and it still points...

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Fun finger.

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And so just flight through in tiresome.com and flight through

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entirety.sexy.

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Also still...

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It's the whole thing.

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All right.

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All right.

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Peter has her heart out.

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So we will we will say goodbye.

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I've got to listen to this week's episode again.

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But thank you very much.

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That was really fun.

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Grace, thank you, everyone.

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Okay.

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See you soon.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye, bye, bye.