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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight of Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast that's just inevitable, like sewage and smartphones and Donald Trump.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Peter.

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Well, with Bill gone and the Cyberman inevitable, there's only one thing left for the doctor to do because who he is, is where he stands, is where he falls.

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So let's see what happens when the doctor falls.

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Last week started in this sort of odd way with a flash forward to the end of this episode.

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So, this whole two parter is circular, but we pull a lot of sort of timey, whimey stuff at the beginning here with an actual flashback, which I don't think we had last week.

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So it's all a bit complicated, isn't it?

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I forget, Nathan.

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Circular logic will only make you dizzy.

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Who says that?

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Perry.

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Oh my god.

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So I guess what we get is something that lets us lead into the opening credits with that incredible visual of the doctor being held by a Mondassian cyberman.

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But when we get back into it, I think what ends up happening is a thing that sometimes happens, but not often enough where we actually escalate from the cliffhanger and things start to get worse.

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So we go back to the rooftop and where has it looked like Missy had turned evil?

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I think it's pretty clearly established for at least the 1st few minutes that that's continuing, that that's a thing that's happened.

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And that's kind of what we lean into.

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Absolutely.

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And having the doctor at the mercy of 2 masters is delicious because he's not only got one master there going, ha ha, doctor, you know, going to kill you now, he's got 2 of them describing the many ways in which they could possibly kill him and some of the ways in which they already have.

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Well, the best one is where Missy says, I know you've already fallen.

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And I do like her line, have you ever felt the blade, which anticipates what's going to happen to John Sims master at the end of the episode.

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But, you know, there's not like granddad's back and, you know, and then and they cured her little condition, your little condition, like, you know, with Bill.

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But, you know, you do have to give it to like everyone knows your stupid round face. so good We never knew until this scene.

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We never knew that we needed a multimaster story, but we absolutely did.

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It's just gold plated.

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Well, because it's Missy's reaction to the stupid round face crack where she goes, yeah, a little bit.

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Like she kind of agrees with the doctor.

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Which is probably the clue.

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That's not all evil.

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Doctor's dead.

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Yeah.

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He told me he always hated you.

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Twice.

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Oh that is so brilliant.

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That is so awesome isn't it?

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But you know, we're in this horrific situation with, you know, and it's comedy gold.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's what we laugh.

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I will say there's one bit, looks a bit crap, is the flashback within the flashback where the doctor's doing the keyboard stuff.

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Yeah. and, you know, changing the algorithm. they're going, really?

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I'm not convinced.

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That's counterpointed by those lovely shots of Nadal running away when things are going south with the 2 masters.

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And it really does wrong foot you.

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You think what's happening?

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He goes, is Ardol no longer part of this is, is, and then he obviously comes to race for shuttle.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think that's actually really brilliant because we always say that Moffatt wants to start the episode in a different place from where he left it, but he does actually want to tell the story of what happened after the 2 masters turned up and met the doctor.

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And so it's done in this sort of German expressionism kind of way with all the sort of black and white.

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Yes. with all the black and white and all of that sort of thing.

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And then we also get that sort of revision where you see that he's had the chance to change the algorithm.

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But all of that stuff and particularly the stuff where the 2 masters get on board the shuttle and both say the exact same.

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And the thing is that it's so stupidly petty.

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Like it's the most fabulously petty thing.

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Like the doctor just wants to be cruel in the most kind of miserably childish way, he said to tell me that he'd always hated you and that they both do it.

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It's magic.

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It's so good.

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It's so good.

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But it's just so wonderful, that whole rooftop sequence, and then having Bill there, and then the cyberman, you know, coming up, and I guess the one thing for this episode is, I would have just loved to have had the Mondasian cyberman, or an evolution which we went to like the Tolosian cyberman, rather than the cyberman that we know now. like I would have liked to have just had a progression, but let's just keep it classic.

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I think that very much the reason for it is what costumes do we have lying around?

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Yeah.

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Andrew Beach or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think that is it.

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I think it's sort of a matter of with asylum of the Daleks, there's a reason there's only one sort of dead planet Dalek or Dalek invasion of Earth Dalek, whereas for this, it's kind of like, okay, yes, we, you know, we can get a fan in who has a really good invasion costume or a really good. tomb of the side men costume, but it's like, okay, do we duplicate that 20 times or do we have to get one made?

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We can't get 2 identical ones.

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I mean, that was it was something I was disappointed with at the time.

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I did think when the doctor started talking about, oh, you know, they've evolved an attack one.

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I'm like, oh, come on, come on, let's get David Banks in.

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You know, he would still fit in the suit.

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Let's get David Banks and Mark Hardy. you know.

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Yeah, let's get Michael Kilgariff.

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He wants to arrive.

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Excellent.

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Moffat loves this structure for a two-part story, doesn't he?

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Where you set the scene somewhere and then you go off on a tangent.

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And it's been sometimes less successful, sometimes more.

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I don't necessarily think the Big Bang is successful as a 2nd part to that story where something like flesh and stone is very much for time of angels.

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Here, you do have quite a lot of overlap with the 1st episode, which is good.

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But he does a thing, which astonishingly, considering how good, world enough, and time is, this is the better episode, and I'm absolutely astonished that he managed to do that.

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The change of atmosphere is really striking.

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And basically everything turns, you're suddenly not indoors, gray, black, smoke, you're outdoors, it's kind of bucolic, and it really works.

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Like in that 1st episode, which we're talking last week where everything was cutting between 2 things.

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Here, the cutting after this flashback sequence is between Bill and Cyber Bill, you know?

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And I just think that is just so clever and well realised, like the sequences and just how heartbreaking it is for real Bill.

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Like I just love all that.

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I mean, you couldn't do an episode with just a Modacian Bill Cyberman.

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You've got to have Pearl there.

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But it just underscores the heartbreak and just where everything is heading.

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So, so what we do is we introduce floor 507. in the opening credits and we see, you know, the Cyberman expedition that went up from floor 1058 and then got trapped in 507 and now they're all the scarecrows and stuff and it turns out that it seems to be a thing that's happening all the time.

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All of that's introduced.

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We get to meet Arlett, the little girl, who's going to be sort of super important to the story.

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And then we see that image.

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And then the next time we go back there after the opening credits, it's 2 weeks later.

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And so when we see Bill come to in the barn, do we think she's been fixed?

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I think we do.

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I did.

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I don't know if I did, but I kind of went, oh, what's going on?

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Like, I just questioned it.

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And I thought, oh, and then there's just the horrible realisation that she's not fixed.

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And obviously with the mirror coming in and the shadows and all that, like it just, no, I did I did realise.

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I remember the 1st time I was watching it and instantly I had the sense of dread that we were going to have this long goodbye to Bill where we could still see her and it's like looking at a photograph of a loved one who's passed away.

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She's still there and we can see her, but it's just an echo.

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It's very well done because we get, so we get the character of Hasran, who's played by Samantha Spiro, who we know.

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She's brilliant.

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So she's in sex education, uh, and she's in psycho beaches as well.

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She's really funny.

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She's terribly...

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I hear that psycho bitches can give you a second.

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She's terribly been there myself.

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She's she's terribly good.

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She is brilliant.

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One of the absolute highlights.

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And unlike last week, we have a sort of small guest cast, whereas there's virtually no guest cast apart from John Simm last week's episode, but it's her reaction to Bill that's off, you know, that she's nervous around her and refuses to approach her and she's being kind, but she says the stuff about how you can't be around the children and something.

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So something is wrong.

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And I think that Moffatt just pulls out what he did with Oswin.

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So, yeah.

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Oswin doesn't realise she's a Dalek and she doesn't realise because she's strong and she's created.

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I think the doctor says that Beale has created, you've created a castle made out of you and you're on the battlements, kind of defending yourself against the realisation of who you are.

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And I think, you know, you have to do that for the reason that you identified Todd, which is you have to have Bill in the story.

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Yes, and also, I think Peter hit the nail on the head when he said dread.

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That is such, it just sums up the whole feeling.

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But also when, you know, the doctor's telling her or questioning her like, what do you remember 10 years?

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like 10 years she was down there.

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And of course, it goes back to the previous sequence where they say, you missed it by 2 hours.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You just kind of, it's just heartbreaking screws, isn't it?

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It's just, yeah.

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It's not clear that it's 10 years, is it last week?

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It doesn't seem to be 10 years.

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We have the numbers, but the numbers don't kind of add up to 10 years, but now it's 10 years.

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And we did spend last week going, can you stop doing the exposition doctor and just go down there?

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Do you know what I mean?

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It was held by the fact that Bill didn't seem to be super distressed necessarily.

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Like she didn't seem to be having a brutally miserable time, but she was still waiting. rationalist.

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Yeah that's right.

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Bad tea.

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In the in the initial draft, the doctor had missed her by 2 years.

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She'd been a cyberman for 2 years.

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I think the 2 hours thing is much better because A, there's pathos to it and B, it means it's more feasible that her personality is still there.

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I remember on initial broadcast, the week between the 2 episodes.

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I was thinking to myself, okay, Cyberman in the classic series is a human encased inside a Cyberman with surgical alterations and chemicals like we see in Attack of the Cyberman, but then Missy just smashes our hopes like a sandcastle saying, oh, yeah, she's been pulped and filleted and shredded just like the cyber cybermen. and it's like, oh, oh, dear.

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And that's why she's 7 foot tall.

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But Bill herself only hears about it the 1st time where the doctor says the cybermen go to convert young people, children because their brains are fresh and there's less to throw away.

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But he can't bring himself to say less to throw away and the master who is just being cruel says it.

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And there's, there's a wonderful moment where, where that master, like the John Sim master does the razor voice and says how boring she was to live with for 10 years and how great, you know, how it was all worth it, just to see the doctor's face when he found out that she was a cyberman.

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Oh, that's cruel.

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It's really, but the great thing about it is she says I'm not upset when she's a cyberman as a cyberman.

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And he says, oh, well, that takes all the fun out of cruelty then, doesn't it?

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And then we come back to Beale, who is absolutely devastated.

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It's so brutal.

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Pearl Mackey is so great in those scenes.

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Like, she's seriously one of the best regulars who we've had since the show came back.

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Yeah, I know, she's incredible.

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The other the other incredible bit is where she says, you said that you could make this right again, and the doctor says yes.

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And she says, were you lying?

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And he says, no.

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And then she says, were you right?

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And he says, no.

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It's so, it's so brutal.

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It's so hard.

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The thing is, though, he has built a whole cyborg body for Nardol, out of spare parts that looks like Nardol's original body.

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So just saying, the Nardol is kind of a comedy character in a way that Billy is.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah, it was to have Handel's head on it.

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Yeah, Hernando still has his head.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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Yeah.

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No, I think that because those characters are kind of operating on different registers.

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You know, he's a more silly science fiction character.

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He used to be blue, apparently, we learned last week. and his hair's invisible.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's a bit like, yeah, the laws of time forbid us from rescuing Adric, but not from rescuing literally anyone else because it because it's a different situation and it's, you know, we're not going for the silent credits with everyone else.

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So we have to be able to not rescue Adric.

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I would have loved for the doctor to defuse the entire situation by sidling up to the sidemen whispering to them what happened when they teamed up with the master in the fight.

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That would have been a delicious throwaway.

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The strength of this character to be able to stand there and stand up to the master and the way that is written is just extraordinary.

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But even her whole, you know, we're not going to get out of this one, are we?

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It's just this inevitability that we're sinking in to all of us.

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Like, we're not going to get out of this.

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Yeah, we're not going back on this And you know, we see that regeneration energy.

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We know where we're headed, you know?

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I think the only times that I felt like that in that particular way is at the end of Mind Warp.

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And at the end of Caves of Androzani.

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And that feeling, I think it's stronger here.

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I mean, I think that, you know, this isn't quite a regeneration story, really, because he doesn't regenerate at the end, of course, it was meant to be. of course, it was meant to be.

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And if so, it is perhaps one of the strongest regeneration stories that the show has ever done.

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And why is he regenerating initially because he gets electrocuted by the cyberman on the rooftop?

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And then he gets shot by a whole bunch of them later on.

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So there's that.

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I think once you see that in his hand, it's inevitable, which again is why that thing in the lie of the land was such a stupid mistake.

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Oh, yeah, shouldn't have gone there.

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Yeah.

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That's all part of that same discussion, like that beautiful discussion.

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Isn't there a tier?

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doesn't doesn't the sermon have a tear and the doctor say like, well, this tears is hope. which is, you know, again, foreshadowing the end of the episode.

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Yeah.

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And it's, it's just a real, these character moments that Stephen Moffat allows us to have here at the final end, not only between these two, but between the doctor and the masters and with Nard, just sublime.

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The thing that all good regeneration stories have is that they're epic and elegiic and the doctor's desperate that is broken down throughout the story.

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That all happens here.

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This would be probably the best regeneration story of the show's history if it physically happened in the story.

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Yeah, it doesn't take away from it that it doesn't.

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I'd like to talk about, like, missing the master and all of these scenes together.

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I just think they play off each other just so well and I spoke a bit last week about the energy that John Sim is bringing to this role up against Michelle Gomez, which is a different energy.

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It's written differently, as Simon said, but I just think he is such a talented actor.

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Here you can really see what he can do, like, in a vein that I would like him to go in.

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In all of that, like, you know, just the whole, there's a lot of exposition they have to get through.

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They do it in a funny way, in a way that you can see that miss is conflicted.

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I love the fact that we're talking about timelines out of sync, we can't retain memories.

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The whole business, about a really scary lady.

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That's so good.

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With the dear materialisation circuit.

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Like, that is so clever.

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Like, it's very moffity. absolutely a thing that he's done before.

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It's like time crash. or something like that.

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But it's so brilliant.

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You know, a very, very scary lady pinned me up against a wall and said, always carry a spare dematerialisation circuit with you.

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It's so perfect, isn't it?

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It's wonderful.

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Having said that, when she does pin him up against the wall and big shudder, you get the scene where the master says he has a hard on for missing.

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All I can think about is how that scene would have played out between Pertwee and Trouter.

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Oh, you found my recorder.

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Remember when Kurt we had to fill in the insurance form from the sea devil saying that his ribs had been damaged by a cylindrical metal device?

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I actually really like it.

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Fantastic.

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You know, Todd, what you were saying, Ashley, for who the 1st half of this episode, all we really get is just Missy and the Sim Master sparring off each other and acting as a kind of Greek chorus, you know, pouring aspersions on what the doctor's trying to do, but then it all changes in one really amazing scene halfway through the episode.

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So initially it looks like Missy has just gone over to the master's side, that the presence of the old master, her old self is enough to kind of remind her that that's what she wants to be.

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She wants to be like that.

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And then there's the moment where the doctor says, like, knock yourself out, I think, sort of casually on the rooftop to both of them.

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And Missy knocks the master out and then says, no, no, no, I was just pretending I'm on your side all along.

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And there's a, the way it's played, it's kind of like she doesn't want the doctor to press it too much and the doctor doesn't want to press it.

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And it's still ambiguous.

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It's still absolutely not clear where she stands.

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Yes, Missy, whatever her morals are, whether she's sort of decides to hook up with the doctor or not.

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She's still missy.

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She's playful in that way. never quite know where she stands.

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Was she on the brink of turning bad?

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you know, because of this influence that he has over her.

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Like, she's wavering and that's, and that's really good, like, for us as a viewer, to see that and and to be unsure we stand throughout most of this.

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What is brilliant, I think, is that the whole reason we have 2 masters here is that we have a traditional master and missy, and that represents the conflict.

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It's like 2nd chances on Star Trek, the Next Generation, where you have a science fiction reason to double people, and then the 2 people are the same person, but they're feeling different things.

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And so Missy is the missy who feels remorse, who wants to stand by the doctor's side. different experiences.

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Yeah, that's right.

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She's been through all of the things that happened to her while she was missy, whereas the Sim Master hasn't.

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But we still get missy being conflicted.

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Moffatt doesn't go, well, I've got a master over here that can be the evil one and then we'll have Missy.

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Missy is still conflicted.

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And it's wonderful because you're getting Michelle Gomez to play all of that sort of stuff.

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And she does it with just the perfect amount of ambiguity, I think.

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And we're used to her being sort of whimsical, fun, missy, but she can bring an intense sobriety to some scenes, where her face just falls and you're really not quite sure what's going on behind that.

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All this like is pivotal. comes to a head in the scene with the doctor at dusk where he's asking them to stand with him because it's kind.

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It's where I stand, where I fall, stand with me.

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And Peter Capaldi has delivered some speeches in his time as the doctor.

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But yet again, he just plays this to perfection.

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And the reaction of the SIM master is so perfect in that moment, but you watch I watch Michelle Gomez in the background before.

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And even the moments afterwards, and even when they just have that little, they lock hands as she grabs his hand.

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She grabs his hand.

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Like, it's with her to sort of signal.

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I might be saying this, but I'm going to stand with you.

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Or, you know, giving him hope that although she's saying one thing, she's going to do another.

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It's really ambiguous though, isn't it?

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It's so good because she says thank you for trying, but no.

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It's a visceral speech.

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It means something for the doctor.

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That howl that he lets out as they're walking away or he just screams no at them.

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You know, it means something to him because as he points out earlier in the episode, it's his oldest friend in the universe.

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He can't let them go.

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He has to try to make them see sense.

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And we talked last week about the speech that the doctor gives George in the control room about how I'm going to save you and everyone on this ship and everything's going to be great and you're going to be shaking your head in wonderment at how great I was and how I managed to save everyone and then compare it to this speech.

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You know, I don't do it because it's fun.

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I don't do it because it's easy.

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I don't even do it because it works because most of the time it doesn't. do what I do because it's right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And that's so different, you know, like that those 2 speeches bookend, these 2 part are in such a brilliant way, I think.

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It's such a great mission statement for the doctor and gets it just right in a way that may be the same kind of speech at the end of twice upon a time over exit a little bit.

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Yeah, 0 yeah.

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No, that's terrible.

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We'll get there No, it's not.

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I'm not on that episode.

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No, it's not.

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I'm standing.

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I'm taking a stand.

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This is where I stand.

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That whole scene is just electric, and I think what sets it apart from the other Capoldi speeches is it's so unvarnished.

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Like, you touched on it just now, Nathan.

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Like the other Capaldi speeches are about convincing the humans or in George's case, the blue people.

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You know, it's about convincing them of his authority.

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This is someone, he's speaking to someone who is fully aware of his authority.

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There is no hiding from this person.

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And so we just get this completely unvarnished account of the doctor's character.

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And kind of it's paying off way back in series 8.

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We had this doctor of questioning his entire being, you know, and his entire purpose.

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And even sort of at the end of series 8, we get that discussion about, you know, not liking hugs because you're hiding your face and he lies to Clara about having found Gallifrey and what have you.

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It's kind of like now where at the end of his tenure, it's... getting this completely without pretence, without theatricality, without any sort of mask on this doctor.

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And it kind of finally puts to bed that question of, am I a good man?

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It's like unquestionably because this is who you are when everything else is stripped away.

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It's also, I think, again, it was a mission statement for Doctor Who.

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But what the doctor does there takes me back to Doctor Who's earliest days, you remember those lovely closing moments from the Aztecs, where the doctor's comforting Barbara, and he says, we may have lost the day, but you saved one man, and this is it.

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You know, he may he may have lost the day here.

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You know, he may have lost a lot here, but he kind of saves Missy, and that's important.

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So, of course, that is then followed by the scene with the 2 masters together.

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And the thing that I really, really liked, because you can never be sure with Missy whether she's being sincere or not, because there's so much performance.

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And we did see, I think, some sincerity on her face when she was listening to the doctor's speech.

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But that moment when she holds him, uh, she holds John Sims master, like Servoland, um, holding lights.

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Exactly like that, actually, because she does kill him then.

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Not with a big crystal.

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No, that's true.

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Where she says, you were like a whole burning planet.

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You were like a, you know, I loved being you and I'll never forget what it was like to be you.

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And like, that's not just John Sims master because we said last week that, you know, this John Sims master is the master, you know, as he's been up until now.

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And I just think that's really great.

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The way that she says, yes, you know, like, I did bad things and I did things that I regret, but I loved being you, but it's over now.

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I had all my fun.

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I was a rebellious teenager.

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It's time to grow up and settle down.

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Yeah, yeah, but also there's nothing left.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like last week where you had the doctor say that he and the master had a plan where they were going to see all of the stars.

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There's no stars anymore.

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They're trapped under a holographic sky.

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They're not going to survive, and that's the time where she says, actually, I am just going to go and stand with the doctor because this is where we were always going.

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It's just beautiful and obviously the master then shooting her in the back and telling her that she can't regenerate.

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Like, you've got to get missy out of the story for the rest of the story to work.

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But I do regret the fact that he says you were unable to regenerate.

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I just kind of think, well, can't you just leave it to regenerate or die or something?

329
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I don't know, she did regenerate.

330
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Obviously, yeah, so he's lying.

331
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I don't know.

332
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So, I think that there is a core of Doctor Who that a showrunner should probably not touch.

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And one of the problems I had, for instance, with the timeless child, was that everyone at home who doesn't really care about Doctor Who, at least knows that they're a timelord from the Planet Galafre, you know?

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They're a little bit more knowledgable, don't know it's in the constellation.

335
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Exactly right.

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Galactic coordinates.

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Sorry.

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So you don't get to change that in a way.

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And I think Moffat has always played with that boundary.

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I think he's always been aware of it.

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And he's always played with it and things like listen where he starts to fill in the doctor's backstory a bit or where you see the doctor and Susan stealing the TARDIS at the beginning of name of the doctor.

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You nibble around the edges.

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Just enough.

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Just enough.

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Just enough.

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But here he kind of kills the master.

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And he does kill her, like it's not just the line of dialogue, but also the special effect, which is, you know, she becomes transparent.

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We see her skull through her head and all of that sort of thing.

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So it's very clear that this is the end and she dies and that kind of works.

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And I do like her reaction to it as well, which is pretty great.

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I mean, you had to have mutually assured destruction.

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And you had to have them both find it hilariously funny.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so there's an ampas, you know, like the 2 halves of the character can't come to any kind of accommodation and so they just destroy themselves.

356
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But not before Missy says, I am going to stand with the doctor because that's what I've always wanted and where we've always been going.

357
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And the doctor said to her earlier.

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That's the only thing that I've ever wanted as well.

359
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I think it's kind of sad that doesn't get to see that.

360
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Yes, it's heartbreaking.

361
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Yep, he never knows.

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But it does fit the theme of without hope, without witness, without reward.

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It's an entirely selfless moment for her.

364
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And that's kind of what the doctor's been teaching.

365
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You know, you're not being good to impress me.

366
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Charity is my charity if it's performative.

367
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And, you know, I think Stephen Moffatt does do something clever with it in that it's hinted, but not overtly stated that John Sim is going to regenerate into Michelle Gomez because their memories surrounding this are murky at best.

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And so I think Stephen Moffat has done that in order to say if Chris Chibnall or whoever takes on Doctor Who after that wants to bring the master back, we can always say this is between John Simm and Michelle Gomez.

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Or it's not.

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I think it's significant that we do never say that.

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And I also don't think that it works in the context of a long-running program.

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Like, that's such fan wank, I think, to say, you know, it's actually the master between the bald guy and Peter Pratt now.

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And like, like, I just kind of think, who cares?

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Like, the fact is, when the master comes back, there's none of this ambiguity.

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None of the sort of interesting nuance that Michelle Gomez brought to the character.

376
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And I think that's a shame.

377
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I think it would have been a good idea to just leave the master alone. for a bit longer and then bring them back at a point where you don't properly have to explain that or something.

378
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Yeah, not to the same audience that's watching the show 3 years later.

379
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You know, you bring it back, something happened in a classic series, something happened in a new series.

380
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That's a golf.

381
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You can do whatever you want.

382
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Well, it's like when he bought Missy into the show.

383
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There'd been a gap with the master.

384
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Yeah, and you never really properly explained like there's lines here and there, but you can fill in gaps as you need to.

385
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I mean, certainly the master is playing it.

386
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There's that fantastic moment where he's there applying eyeline, just kind of getting to practice.

387
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So they're 18, that style.

388
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So great.

389
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Similar kind of outlook on the world.

390
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So brilliant.

391
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That is a great moment, is it?

392
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With his eyeliner.

393
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I love the fact they don't even, so to speak, highlight it.

394
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No, it's amazing.

395
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There's no comment on it or anything and it's just there.

396
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He's just getting practising.

397
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But it's so it's so John Simms.

398
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Like, I just, you know, it just is.

399
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:26.880
And interestingly enough, John Simm, once he knew he was coming back, binge watched Peter Capaldi's 1st 2 seasons to get an impression of what he was getting into, but Cho...

400
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What did he think of the woman who lived?

401
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It should have been a Farrell.

402
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But he declined to rewatch any of his previous stuff because as far as he was concerned, even before he got the script, he's like, this is my master years later. don't want to play in the same way.

403
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I want to approach it with the memory of what I did, not the actuality of what I did and with how I would play it now and with how I would play it meeting Michelle Gomez's version.

404
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And I think that gives us a much stronger performance than we've seen from him before.

405
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Well, that's him and Simon both.

406
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They both decline to watch those episodes.

407
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That is so considered.

408
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:17.159
Like, you know, what a good actor to be able to come to that conclusion and take that on board and decide that's the journey I'm going to go on.

409
00:34:17.219 --> 00:34:21.239
Like that really does impact the whole performance here.

410
00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:24.300
And it's what the script wants him to do, isn't it?

411
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:25.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

412
00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:25.679
Brilliant.

413
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.599
So we're wrapping up the Masters.

414
00:34:36.659 --> 00:34:41.099
We've got Nardol and who's the next person that we need to sort of say goodbye to.

415
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.139
Here's what I'm going to say.

416
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:43.679
What?

417
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:48.239
It may be the best companion departure in the new series.

418
00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:52.920
It really is absolutely amazingly good.

419
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:55.079
It feels so appropriate somehow.

420
00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:56.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

421
00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:58.380
And it's someone who never had an arrival.

422
00:34:58.440 --> 00:34:59.219
Do you know what I mean?

423
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:04.380
Like by the time we realised he was travelling with a doctor, he'd been doing it for a while.

424
00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:05.820
The Bonnie Langford arc.

425
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:06.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

426
00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:08.280
So all of that's very strange.

427
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:25.920
But, like, it's the moment where the doctor describes what he has to do, which is kind of to stay on this floor and blow himself up compared to having to help these people start a new life and defend them if necessary.

428
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.880
Ends up as a protector for a bunch of kids Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

429
00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:33.119
And it's which of which of you are stronger.

430
00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:39.179
And Matt Lucas actually makes it clear why he's stronger.

431
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.559
Like he is the stronger one.

432
00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:41.699
Made of metal.

433
00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:43.619
Well, there's that.

434
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:52.739
But it's also just the idea that the doctor can't trust himself to stay in one place for a long period of time.

435
00:35:52.800 --> 00:36:08.099
Let's not think about time of the doctor for a second. can't trust himself to stay in one place for a period of time to do a job and he needed Nardol there to criticise him, keep him on track, prevent him from running away and all of that.

436
00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:15.840
There's something in Matt Lucas's performance that brings that out that, yes, you know, I am stronger than you.

437
00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:17.460
And I think that's really good.

438
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.199
This is where we've always been heading.

439
00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:27.719
Yeah, yeah, but there's also that Bill says to him, you'll think of the right words later, and he says, he never will be able to find the words.

440
00:36:28.260 --> 00:36:40.380
So strength of the characters, the strength of his performance and with commented before comic actors, when they're given dramatic stuff to do, really do come to the party, 99.9% of the time.

441
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:44.219
But also, you know that he's going to defend these people on another level.

442
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.239
And they're still on this ship and the cybermen will still be coming for them one day.

443
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:55.019
There is an inevitability to their destruction and that is just heartbreaking as well.

444
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.800
There's a sobriety to his performance that we've seen flashes of before.

445
00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:02.099
I can remember moments in oxygen, where it's the same.

446
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.440
And it really makes you think that, yes, although he is comic relief, there's a whole lot more to him.

447
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:18.239
And it puts me in mind of another of my favourite companion departures from the classic series, which is Turlow, because it's so low-key and understate and someone just going off to do what they have to do.

448
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:22.800
In fact, even though he says, I will never find the right words.

449
00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:38.159
The very next scene has him directing those people, encouraging them, you know, caring for them, looking after them, like saying just the perfect thing, to make it clear that he's absolutely the right fit for the job.

450
00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:39.239
He always had the right words.

451
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.860
Yeah, yeah, it's really good.

452
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.179
It is really great.

453
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:45.840
I was surprised by how moved I was by that.

454
00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:48.539
But it's also good that we then see him with the kids.

455
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:49.320
Yeah.

456
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.960
On a new level, having a life.

457
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:54.239
They're safe for now. you know what I mean?

458
00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:55.800
And that's all that ever happens.

459
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:58.440
All you ever get is safe for now, I think.

460
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.320
And so I think that's a good ending.

461
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:04.860
Like bad things will happen inevitably they will.

462
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.639
But we have a good ending for him.

463
00:38:08.699 --> 00:38:10.079
I think it's I think it's really great.

464
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:17.039
And it just adds to the feeling of the episode, the melancholy that you know this era is wrapping up.

465
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:19.679
You think, okay, this is the last time I'm going to see Nuttle.

466
00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:21.420
This is the goodbye scene you realise halfway through.

467
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:22.079
Yeah.

468
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:23.159
Yeah.

469
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:28.380
There's a line that was cut in an earlier stage of the draft.

470
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:34.019
And it's interesting because I think it shows how Stephen Moffatt's writing kind of works as he goes through drafts.

471
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:44.039
When the doctor's saying goodbye to Nardol, one of the last things he says to him is, I like saving lives, please do me the courtesy of allowing me to save yours.

472
00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:58.380
And on the surface, that's a lovely line, but what we get on screen instead is much subtler and allows the actors to imbue that meaning into the words without just saying it outright.

473
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.679
And sort of reading up the development of this script.

474
00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:14.820
There's a lot of dialogue that goes by the wayside over various drafts that is fine and functional and not clunky, but what it gets changed into renders that original line as the subtext.

475
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:41.400
And I think that's a beautiful example in that, if Peter Capaldi had said that, I still would have been in floods of tears in that scene, but what we get with those lines about responsibility and service is so much better, but still says that not only does the doctor want to save Nadol, Nadol is doing the doctor a favour by leaving because it's the doctor doesn't have to worry about him in the moment.

476
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:52.380
I also think what's interesting is that neither companion leaves on good terms with the doctor.

477
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.420
And so there's a sort of comedy line, isn't there?

478
00:39:54.539 --> 00:40:00.539
When Dole says, I'm going to name a town after you, but it'll be a really rubbish one.

479
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.460
And probably a pig.

480
00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:05.460
You're probably a pig.

481
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:14.340
And then there's Bill, who was abandoned by the doctor for 10 years and came too late to rescue her.

482
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:20.639
She doesn't torment him because of that, but there isn't a good goodbye for them either.

483
00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:27.119
And so she has that thing where she says, remember how I like women and people my own age.

484
00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:31.079
And he says, yes, and she says, good, I'm glad you know that.

485
00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:33.420
And she kind of leaves.

486
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.820
She said something I can't think of anything.

487
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.239
Yeah, we can't think of anything to say to one another at this point.

488
00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:40.079
I've got nothing.

489
00:40:40.139 --> 00:40:41.760
Like, I've got nothing to say.

490
00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:44.760
And so he never sees her again after that.

491
00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:47.039
Like that's the end of the relationship.

492
00:40:47.099 --> 00:40:48.119
It doesn't end in a good way.

493
00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:53.219
But it's also heartbreaking too, because then later on when she actually is in the TARDIS and she gets to say things to him.

494
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.059
Yes.

495
00:40:54.059 --> 00:40:56.760
He never hears, like, he doesn't really hear that.

496
00:40:56.820 --> 00:41:05.159
I mean, maybe he does with the tear and that and that's why we're heading to a regeneration, but he doesn't actually hear it like one-on-one, you know?

497
00:41:05.219 --> 00:41:13.139
I mean, in a way, we walk that back in the next episode, but there's a few months and maybe we just have to do that.

498
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:20.699
And it is perhaps that thing that he pulled at the end of series 8, where series 8 ends on a very bleak note.

499
00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:26.519
And it's so bleak that Santa has to break into the closing credits to tell us that everything's going to be all right at Christmas.

500
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:34.500
Here it is bleak and we leave in a bad way, but it is kind of inevitably fixed, I think, in the Christmas special.

501
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.019
It's surprising though, isn't it?

502
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.639
It is.

503
00:41:38.699 --> 00:41:45.119
And I mean, that scene with Bill and Stargirl in the TARDIS is hopeful in its own way.

504
00:41:45.179 --> 00:41:57.360
And the scene of Bill leaning over the prone doctor and her tears is so pre-regeneration that even though it's not a regeneration, it almost brings me to tears as well.

505
00:41:57.420 --> 00:41:58.500
Yeah, yeah.

506
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.139
But also having her cyber body just collapse.

507
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.019
And then her standing there with Stargirl.

508
00:42:04.019 --> 00:42:06.539
With all of the water pouring off them and stuff.

509
00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:07.139
Yeah.

510
00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:11.760
Rachel Tellerlay, like just masters this episode.

511
00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:13.019
She's always amazing.

512
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.139
But everything you need is there on screen and so poetically done.

513
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:26.940
But she nails that entire battlefield, like, you know, that whole explosion and obviously the doctor leading up to that where he lists all of the different cyber planets or planet 14.

514
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.760
Oh, so that's one thing that we didn't know.

515
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:30.900
Mariners.

516
00:42:31.019 --> 00:42:31.860
What that?

517
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:46.619
So there has been a fan theory around for ages, and I think there were some comics, areas of Action magazine comic in the other days, that suggested that the Vord turn into the cyberman or their sort of proto-cyberman in some way.

518
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:48.360
So that's a theory.

519
00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:56.699
And so what Moffat has done is he's created a better backstory for the Cybermen than we ever had before.

520
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.880
And the thing is that they're now inevitable.

521
00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:04.739
There's something that happens to human beings eventually in certain circumstances.

522
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:07.320
It's like Battlestar Galacturate, it's just cyclical.

523
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.340
Yeah, yeah.

524
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:13.260
And and so, you know, the original one was the 10th planet one with Mondas.

525
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.860
And then we had Russell's one with sort of cybers industries and stuff.

526
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:32.579
And that was kind of a little bit, it's spoiled slightly, I think, that series 2 thing by the fact that we discovered during the course of that year that Billy's going to be left behind on that parallel world.

527
00:43:32.579 --> 00:43:39.179
And so they largely have to cut the idea that everyone's sick on that parallel world.

528
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:46.619
And there is one surviving line of dialogue about it, but otherwise we have to downplay it because that's going to be Rose's final destination.

529
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.139
And so that backstory doesn't quite work.

530
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.019
The cyber cyberman backstory doesn't work at all.

531
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.539
But here we get it gloriously solved, that Zeidman just arise all the time.

532
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.980
It explains planet 14, which was otherwise completely inexplicable.

533
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.579
So it does all of this sort of weird ass fan.

534
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:13.800
Like, it's absolutely the opposite of a fan theory for the genesis of the cybermen because it doesn't exhaust the idea.

535
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.539
So it didn't happen in this particular way.

536
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:16.739
Could have happened in any of this.

537
00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:18.119
Yes, and it keeps happening.

538
00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:20.219
They're all origins of the cybermen.

539
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:21.659
Everything is true.

540
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:28.920
So he does that in a sort of really cannon busting way while being as fan wanky as possible.

541
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:32.699
So fan wacky, in fact, that Todd didn't even get one of the references.

542
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.619
That's how deep the cut was.

543
00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:37.440
What does it say about me, Nathan?

544
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.960
that you are a normal person?

545
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:41.400
Oh, thank God.

546
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:53.400
But yeah, but him like gets going through the forest and shooting is like magic wand and just reeling off like, you know, Tellos and Volga and Planet 14 and and every child everywhere.

547
00:44:53.400 --> 00:45:05.579
Yeah, and the moon and then, and then the Mondassian Simon stopping, stopping him in his tracks and, you know, they don't need a doctor, but I'm the doctor, the original, you might say.

548
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:11.280
So I don't know if that line quite works, but it's there for a reason, obviously.

549
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:12.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

550
00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:18.539
I think it's probably there because Peter Capaldi's like, oh, could I say, could I say that bit from the 5 doctors, could I?

551
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:19.380
Could I?

552
00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:20.219
Could I?

553
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:38.639
It's interesting also with the whole Cybermen parallel evolution thing in that it's something that Jerry Davis talked about because, of course, the novelisations of the moon base and tomb of the Cybermen contain a prologue that doesn't mention Mondas.

554
00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:41.820
It just says the side men came from Telos.

555
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:42.420
Yeah, exactly.

556
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:54.659
And Jerry Davis once said in an interview that as far as he's concerned, the cybermen from Mondass and the cybermen from Telos are separate and distinct groups of cybermen, and that also explains the difference in appearance.

557
00:45:54.719 --> 00:46:05.820
And he's like, but they evolved for the same reason in the same way, is like much like different cultures on earth will come up with the same concepts, same words, same technologies.

558
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:15.539
And then, of course, you know, we get to 1985 and Eric Sayward and Ian Levine write a story that attempts to bring the continuities together.

559
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.400
And I think both approaches are legitimate.

560
00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:27.659
But I do love the idea that wherever there are humans or humanoids, they will always tend towards the cybermen.

561
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:48.119
And as for, as for the whole Planet 14 marinous thing, that comic, I believe it's called the World Shapers, is so wonderfully ridiculous, and also Jamie McCrimon returns in it as an old man and attacks, attacks the Cybervord, and yeah, it's the 6th Dr. and Perry comic.

562
00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:50.099
It is available in a collected edition.

563
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.079
I believe called the World Shapers.

564
00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:52.559
So yeah.

565
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:55.860
It's Phobisher in it as well.

566
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.300
Frobisher is in it.

567
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:58.920
Frobisher is in it.

568
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.320
What about Mestor?

569
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.119
Why not?

570
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:07.619
Well, who says Frobisher wasn't messed over all the time?

571
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:08.760
Just, you know, messing about?

572
00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:22.380
It's it's funny, isn't it, that I think the show becomes almost immediately embarrassed by the 10th planet and by the way that the cybermen were realised and even their backstory.

573
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:29.340
And I think junking the mondas thing where the cybermen come from a planet that's just the earth only upside down.

574
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:33.360
Like I think they decide that's too silly and we're not going to mention it again.

575
00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:36.059
And it turns out, of course, that it's not too silly.

576
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:40.860
It's brilliant and it worked superbly.

577
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:41.760
And we lean into it.

578
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:43.619
This episode, we see Mondas.

579
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.239
I mean, we see Mondes on the screen.

580
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.840
Can you not use the word junking in relation to the 10th planet?

581
00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:50.219
Just give me the PTSD.

582
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.960
What do you think about the return of, um, Heather and her as a pilot?

583
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:20.460
Like, the whole, um, I don't want to say it like this, but I'll say it get out of jail free card, but it is there, obviously, for a reason, so we don't just have Bill is a cyberman.

584
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:21.539
Like that's it.

585
00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:27.059
Beautiful shot of the star in the in the water, isn't it?

586
00:48:27.659 --> 00:48:31.199
on the battlefield and then and then her appearing.

587
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:46.920
I think what is interesting is that Moffat doesn't allow the doctor to fix the problem. that the doctor can't fix the problem, but someone new, a new kind of thing, a whole new sort of thing can solve the problem.

588
00:48:46.980 --> 00:48:54.300
And it's something that he already knew would happen when he was riding the pilot.

589
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.659
And I think it's really terrific.

590
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.920
I think a little bit more magical, something a little bit...

591
00:49:02.099 --> 00:49:04.440
When Clara leaves.

592
00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:10.500
She also leaves with a woman to travel through time and space forever.

593
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:14.159
So this is the 2nd time his pull that, right?

594
00:49:14.219 --> 00:49:19.559
But Bill gets a whole new mythology and a whole new kind of thing.

595
00:49:19.619 --> 00:49:24.360
She's not travelling in a time machine from the planet Galafray.

596
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:27.480
Something different and strange and unknowable is happening.

597
00:49:27.539 --> 00:49:28.860
And I do like that.

598
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:33.059
I think that makes it sufficiently different and sufficiently interesting.

599
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.300
And heather succeeds where the doctor has failed.

600
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:44.340
The doctor couldn't protect or fix Bill, like he said he would, but Heather managed it.

601
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.659
But Heather's evolved.

602
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:50.280
Like from those 1st episodes where she could only mimic and give her tears.

603
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.159
Now, she can pilot the TARDIS, right?

604
00:49:53.219 --> 00:49:56.579
She can appear wherever, like she's been following Bill.

605
00:49:56.639 --> 00:50:01.199
She, whatever that thing was back in episode one, they said the pilot is acquired.

606
00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:04.679
Like she is something, some mystery that we'll never really know.

607
00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:05.340
Yeah.

608
00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:18.000
And the fact that also like she can make Bill Human again gives, I think all of us a little bit of hope or there's something there at the end of the episode where they'll turn up and make me human again.

609
00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:21.360
Well, it doesn't it doesn't foreclose any possibility.

610
00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:30.539
It allows you to, like, because Clara's story was going to end with her next heartbeat, like a heart to stop beating.

611
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:31.199
Right?

612
00:50:31.260 --> 00:50:38.519
Are we between her 2nd last and her last ever heartbeat or something like that and that's where these things are going to happen.

613
00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:44.340
Whereas Bill's story is much, much more open and it's kind of like, yes.

614
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:56.460
And in fact, I really like too, how Bill takes control. like it's been 10 years for her more than 10 years since she met Heather.

615
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.199
I'll show you around.

616
00:50:58.260 --> 00:51:01.619
You know, yes, she says, I can make you human.

617
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:02.940
I can send you back to earth.

618
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:10.199
You can continue making chips or we can do something different and then she actually says, well, no, I'm going to show you around first.

619
00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:15.900
And so just the openness, because we're never going to see Bill again.

620
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.099
And there's that beautiful moment where she says, I know the universe is big.

621
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:25.920
She actually, does she quote from Curse of Fatal Death, or she might nearly die. doesn't she?

622
00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:33.360
Where she says, I can't believe you're gone because the universe is going to need you again and you'll be back when that happens.

623
00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:34.920
It's beautiful.

624
00:51:34.980 --> 00:51:44.340
And then while there's tears, there's hope, which to me sort of harks back to Sarah Jane crying over her to me back in the day a number of times.

625
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.099
Yeah, it's just it's magical.

626
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:53.159
And it gives you hope and it's beautiful after all this horrible stuff that's gone down.

627
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:54.300
It is beautiful.

628
00:51:54.360 --> 00:52:02.280
And it's also it's gorgeous that it spills tear and her heartache over the doctor that kind of manifests heather.

629
00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:09.659
And the fact that the end of the previous episode was Bill with a tear in her eye over what had happened.

630
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.699
It all sort of links back in.

631
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.699
And the pilot, the tear at the end of the pilot, which says isn't mine.

632
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.960
And the tear goes on the doctor and then he wakes up.

633
00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:23.400
But he has a flashback to every single companion, except for Rory.

634
00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:24.179
Why is this?

635
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:25.380
Why is this?

636
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:26.340
It annoys me to this day.

637
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:26.940
Why?

638
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.039
They had to fit in, Madame Vastra.

639
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:30.960
I know. don't understand.

640
00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:34.920
Every flashback with companions has to leave one of them out.

641
00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:35.820
Yeah.

642
00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:38.639
Like in Resurrection of the Daleks.

643
00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:40.380
Where's Louise?

644
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:41.400
Where's Louise?

645
00:52:41.460 --> 00:52:42.239
Exactly.

646
00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:43.679
It annoys me.

647
00:52:43.739 --> 00:52:44.760
It annoys me to this day.

648
00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:45.840
Yeah, yeah.

649
00:52:46.500 --> 00:53:01.619
On the topic of Bill and Heather, I think what it really brings around is the fact that the doctor understood what Heather had become and allowed Bill to handle it way back in the pilot.

650
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:05.159
And then the fact that he decides not to white Bill's memory.

651
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:11.519
Those are the things that feed into heather being able to save the bill and the doctor.

652
00:53:11.579 --> 00:53:21.719
So it kind of harks back to sort of the Eccleston era where a lot of the time the doctor didn't directly solve the problem. but inspired others who stepped up and solved it.

653
00:53:21.780 --> 00:53:35.039
Another thing it reminds me of is Astrid, you know, the best the doctor can do is that Astrid is a semi-sentient cloud of sparkle dust flying around the universe for the rest of time. pretty much is Kylie Minogue.

654
00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:35.639
Yeah that's true.

655
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.980
Yeah, 5 foot, nothing.

656
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:39.659
And I can say that.

657
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:52.860
So it's kind of like we are getting sort of a few old style solutions, but as you touched on Nathan comparing it to Clara, it's kind of like Stephen Moffatt.

658
00:53:52.980 --> 00:54:01.679
First of all, and this is a direct quote from Stephen Moffat, his motivation for this story was to do the worst possible thing to Bill Potts and see if we could get back out of it.

659
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:13.139
But it also seems like he's gone, okay, where have sort of past companion departures been cruel and let's not do that again?

660
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:16.739
So Bill doesn't get mind wiped the way Donna does.

661
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.380
She can return to her life, unlike Clara.

662
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:23.159
She is fully aware of what has happened to her, unlike Astrid.

663
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.619
Doesn't have a hair shaved off like perigrine.

664
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:26.579
Yep, absolutely.

665
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:27.599
Is it?

666
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:28.440
Isn't sent off.

667
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.280
To the upside of that.

668
00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:34.559
You know, she is sent off to a country house to recuperate, but we actually see her again on like dodo.

669
00:54:34.619 --> 00:54:43.079
So, and of course, this was going to be Stephen Moffat's last contribution to the program, I think this is him kind of going, I'm still going to do my thing and everyone's going to suffer.

670
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:54.780
But I'm going to sort of respond to criticisms that were raised raised against my writing and I'm going to do this and I cried watching it again this morning, of course.

671
00:54:54.840 --> 00:55:00.960
But I remember vividly in 2017, the 2nd heather came out of that puddle.

672
00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:13.139
I was just sobbing and I had I had to rewatch the last 10 minutes because I missed it the 1st time around because I was just sobbing so hard that we got...

673
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:19.320
But just that we got a wonderful ending. for 2 queer characters.

674
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.260
And a queer ending for 2 quick, Eric.

675
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:22.739
That's right.

676
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:26.699
I posed the question last week, you know, how did this feed into the bury your gaze trope?

677
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:27.719
And I think you're absolutely right.

678
00:55:27.780 --> 00:55:29.820
We do get a great ending in the end.

679
00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:32.940
Do you know Bill and Heather's last name?

680
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.980
Uh, Hartnell.

681
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:35.519
Correct.

682
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.260
I think about these episodes.

683
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:42.000
This one, the last one in totality.

684
00:55:42.059 --> 00:55:44.699
And, you know, these were meant to be Stephen Swong song.

685
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.079
And they are a modern classic.

686
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:49.800
They are best of in the modern series, I think.

687
00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:54.539
And do you remember friendly podcast, Tom Spielsbury, who appeared on The Magician's Apprentice with us.

688
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:03.420
He did the big Doctor Who magazine poll in 2023. and they only listed the stories in doctor orders.

689
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:15.420
So you could never compare and contrast what they came, but he had the big file, and we know that world enough and time, and the Dr. Falls came in 3rd overall in every story that has ever been.

690
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:23.219
They came behind Cave Zone, Design, and Blink, and ahead of the city of death, these episodes are beloved, and for good reason.

691
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:33.420
But the ending is also, at the time, I was just absolutely stunned, like, you know, the doctors outside, says what he has to say, and then you hear that voice through the snow and the fog.

692
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.940
And at the time I was going, I was lost for words.

693
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.440
I was just going, 0 my god, they're not doing this.

694
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:38.579
They can't be doing this.

695
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:42.300
You know, having had David Bradley in an adventure in space and time.

696
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:49.500
And then he walks in and I, I was just sort of, I just thought, 0 my goodness, like, this is incredible.

697
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:50.280
What an ending.

698
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:57.420
So I haven't rewatched Ice Upon a Time since I watched it for the 1st time.

699
00:56:57.480 --> 00:56:59.880
And I was...

700
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:00.420
Once upon a time.

701
00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:02.820
Impressed, I have to say.

702
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:10.800
But I think it's super interesting, and I do think that Bradley's performance in that moment is so good.

703
00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:12.239
Like he nails it.

704
00:57:12.300 --> 00:57:16.679
Like, you know it's the doctor straight away even before you see him.

705
00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:18.059
I think it is pretty incredible.

706
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:28.800
So it was a great conceit, but I just don't know how much I want to watch an episode where the doctor essentially wants to kill himself and as they'd persuade it not to.

707
00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:30.780
I just think that's a bit miserable.

708
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.659
Well, maybe so, but at this point in time we don't really know that.

709
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:34.260
Yes.

710
00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:37.980
And so there's all this anticipation and I have watched twice upon a time again.

711
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:39.900
And I think David Bradley's very good.

712
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:45.480
Unfortunately, he's got 6 lines in there, which is the worst 6 lines ever given too. the 1st doctor ever, right?

713
00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:48.840
But he said, I'm going to put you over my knee and give you a jolly good smack box.

714
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:50.820
Well, that's obviously the building.

715
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:58.260
The building block for the rest of the building, except Bill does get a really good one up on the other 2 of them in the TARDIS, but I'm sure you'll discuss that.

716
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:03.000
But just this doing this at the end of this, like, you know, how is it going to end?

717
00:58:03.059 --> 00:58:05.820
And having that, I was just blown away, you know?

718
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:07.440
And it's the beginning as well.

719
00:58:07.500 --> 00:58:14.460
Like, in a sense, this is a regeneration story because it opens with a doctor in the middle of regenerating, which is pretty gray.

720
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:16.260
And so we end up there as well.

721
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.139
They both just encountered Mondassian cybermen.

722
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.360
They've both just encountered Mondace and Cybermen.

723
00:58:21.420 --> 00:58:22.199
It's a full loop.

724
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:23.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

725
00:58:23.340 --> 00:58:33.239
And also, it's always kind of wonderful to see the South Pole realised now in 2017 compared to how it was realised in 1966.

726
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:36.119
Hey, there was nothing wrong with the 1966 version.

727
00:58:36.179 --> 00:58:39.059
But it does look amazing in 2017, I think.

728
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:49.559
I do think like the sort of ogry looking ice blocks surrounding the TARDIS are a bit like, um, this is where the digital matte painting starts.

729
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:07.739
All right, it's the second part of a two part story.

730
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.840
It's been a long while since we've done this, and that can only mean picks of the week.

731
00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:16.260
So, Todd, what would you like to recommend?

732
00:59:16.980 --> 00:59:28.079
I have just returned from my honeymoon to the UK and I got the opportunity to go to the BFI and watch the new extended cut of the Happiness Patrol with new special effects.

733
00:59:28.139 --> 00:59:29.340
It's absolutely glorious.

734
00:59:29.340 --> 00:59:31.380
And that is my pick of the week.

735
00:59:31.380 --> 00:59:33.840
If you get a chance to watch that on the Blu-ray.

736
00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:34.380
Please do so.

737
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:43.199
My pick of the week will be the excellent horror of who podcast, hosted by Saul Merte from the Surgeons of Horror team.

738
00:59:43.260 --> 00:59:49.380
Nathan and I appeared on a bunch of episodes talking about the cybermen in the black and white years.

739
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:57.239
So I'd recommend that you track down Hartnell's horror part 4 where we discuss more about the Mondacian sidemen and why they're so effective.

740
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:57.719
Yeah.

741
00:59:57.719 --> 00:59:58.380
Yeah.

742
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:00.780
Brendan was on that before in fact.

743
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:02.219
Indeed.

744
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:09.719
My pick of the week is a fan project by the YouTuber George Shard, or George Shard.

745
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:12.239
I am not sure how I pronounces it, but it's written like Michael Sheard.

746
01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:13.980
Is there an apostrophe in there?

747
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:15.480
There is not an apostrophe.

748
01:00:15.539 --> 01:00:17.639
So he's not sh-ard.

749
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:40.260
But he, a few years ago, did a wonderful re-edit of this story called World and Often Time noir, where he reimagined it as a black and white 60 story, cut it to 4 by 3 aspect ratio, used things like space adventure and music concrete in the soundtrack.

750
01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:42.659
You can find trailers for it on YouTube.

751
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:51.599
We're linked to one of those in the show notes, and from there, he explains how to get the full version, because obviously he's not going to upload the full version onto YouTube, but it is available through private distribution.

752
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:57.960
Much like Todd's recommendation of the Happiness Patrol special edition, it doesn't replace the original, but it's a really fascinating way to watch it.

753
01:00:58.019 --> 01:01:22.619
And my pick of the week is 500-year diary, because we are getting very close to the end of this leg of our flight through entirety, we will be taking a couple of years off at least once we do our Peter Capoldi retrospective on New Year's Day.

754
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:34.440
And what we will be doing instead is going back and taking another different look at some of the things that we've already discussed and exploring some things that we never had the chance to explore.

755
01:01:34.500 --> 01:01:47.460
There's already a season of 500 year diary called New Beginnings, where we look at some soft reboots for the main show and the pilot episodes of a couple of spinoffs.

756
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:56.400
And at the beginning of next year, we will be doing a new season called the 2nd coming, in which we look at the 2nd time.

757
01:01:56.460 --> 01:02:01.019
We see some of the doctor's most fearsome adversaries.

758
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:04.199
I'm really proud of the 1st season of 500-year diary.

759
01:02:04.260 --> 01:02:05.280
I think it was really good.

760
01:02:05.340 --> 01:02:07.199
I really enjoy doing it.

761
01:02:07.260 --> 01:02:09.119
I think you'll enjoy listening to it.

762
01:02:09.179 --> 01:02:17.820
So you can find it wherever you get your podcasts and it's available on its website, 500yearDiary.com.

763
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:23.699
Oh, and it doesn't matter, by the way, whether you use the numerals or the words, both of them work.

764
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:24.960
You're very proud of.

765
01:02:25.019 --> 01:02:25.500
Oh, yeah.

766
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:51.179
Well, that's all the time we have for this week.

767
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:57.539
We'll be back next week to behold what we've wrought over the past few months in the Series 10 retrospective.

768
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:16.860
In the meantime, you can find us wherever you get your podcasts, and you can keep up with us on our website, flightthroughentirety.com, where you'll find our social media links as well as links to all of our other podcasts, including our other Doctor Who podcasts, 500-year diary, and the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire.

769
01:03:17.219 --> 01:03:21.539
Until next time, where there's tears, there's hope.

770
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:23.639
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

771
01:03:23.699 --> 01:03:24.900
Good night.

772
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:26.219
See you soon.

773
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:27.239
Good night, everyone.

774
01:03:52.860 --> 01:04:00.059
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Todd Bealby, Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones, and Peter Griffiths.

775
01:04:00.059 --> 01:04:02.280
Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

776
01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:09.659
This episode, Safe for Now, was recorded on the 3rd of November 2024 and released on the 1st of December.

777
01:04:20.099 --> 01:04:28.079
And now at the end of the series, it's time for us to thank the people who joined us on the sofa of reasonable comfort this year.

778
01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:29.880
B.J.

779
01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:38.820
Hobbs, Melvin Peña, Kate Orman, Stephen B, Johnny Spandrel, Tom Selinski, Toby Hadoke, and John Dorney.

780
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:40.260
We'll see you next week.

781
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:10.380
That reminds me, is Islambulance.com still active?

782
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:12.840
Yes, and it still points...

783
01:05:12.900 --> 01:05:14.519
Fun finger.

784
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:22.320
And so just flight through in tiresome.com and flight through entirety.sexy.

785
01:05:22.380 --> 01:05:25.679
Also still...

786
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:26.579
It's the whole thing.

787
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:28.320
All right.

788
01:05:28.380 --> 01:05:28.860
All right.

789
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:30.719
Peter has her heart out.

790
01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:33.840
So we will we will say goodbye.

791
01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:36.599
I've got to listen to this week's episode again.

792
01:05:36.659 --> 01:05:37.559
But thank you very much.

793
01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:38.219
That was really fun.

794
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.019
Grace, thank you, everyone.

795
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:40.380
Okay.

796
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:41.400
See you soon.

797
01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:41.820
Bye.

798
01:05:41.820 --> 01:05:42.059
Bye.

799
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:42.539
Bye, bye, bye.