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Your mother needs socks in hair, doctor.

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Hello and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor

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Who podcast who are all apt to submit ourselves to domination.

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I'm Brendan.

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Nathan.

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I'm here too, it seems.

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I'm a comment to make today.

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We're moving on.

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I'm Peter Miles.

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Oh, well, you stay on that side of the room.

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I wanted to nap because we're heading down another dark, gloomy

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old tunnel as we find...

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People spoke about him much more kindly than that.

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As we explore, the hairy caves of the monster and tell him.

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Oh, please.

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Like a carry-on film.

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It is, oh, a four-year-old.

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Well, not far off.

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It's the monster of Paladon.

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Thank you, dear listener. for bearing with us, for this part of

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the season, because is this the Nadir of pert weeness?

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We've got it a lovely return to Planet of the Peladonians, but

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it's actually a remake, isn't it?

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20 something episodes ago.

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I actually started ceding references to what I was going to say

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about this story into my dialogue.

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And that's why we have the word tiresome. all the way through.

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This has been gifted to me that I'm really happy to share.

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It's the epitome of tiresome...

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Can we just have a little bit of etymological side glancing here

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for a moment?

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Is that the correct pronunciation rather than epitome?

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Because Kenneth Williams?

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Kenneth Williams is part of his shtick used to say, it's epitome.

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It's epiturp.

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And someone counted with it, fine.

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Well, I'm just taking a flight, so I'll see you at the aerodromy.

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Yeah, yeah, no.

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But yeah, apparently the ancient Greek.

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You've noticed, listener, this story will be about everything else

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except Monster of Berylton.

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Well, shall we then?

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Oh, and Lenny Maine...

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I felt like a Dumbritz and Capes, because we come have to come

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back to that again.

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Is Lenny Main directing again?

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You know what, though?

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It looks pretty good.

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Nice sets.

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It feels atmospheric.

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It's very, again, a little bit Errol Flynn down the Catacombs.

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So, how much did we enjoy?

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Monster of Palad?

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Well, Todd actually would like us to...

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Do we have to go through the Tod scoop?

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Can we let's dial up the Todd scoop.

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I'm sure he's out there somewhere hovering around in that

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octahedron of his.

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Well, here he comes.

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Put his, you know, put your knees together, Todd.

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We can all see up there.

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Well, the monster of peladin is tied before it even begins.

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Is it the weakest 3rd doctor story?

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I managed to watch this in 2 viewings as opposed to Planet of the

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Daleks, so I'm going to say it's not, but you might agree to

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disagree with me.

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It's either this or the mutants.

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And I think...

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I'll bugger off mutants.

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Yeah, we like the mutants.

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You like the mutants.

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I think the mutants probably has more going for it politically

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going on in the in the narrative.

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It's got beautiful characterisation.

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Woo-woo sets and John Hollis in a lovely pink bathrobe.

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Meanwhile, maybe we should talk about why this went wrong.

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It's boring.

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It's slow.

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No one cares.

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Barry Letts had just lost Moonbase 3.

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So he was back in production. and not happy about it.

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That was his ticket out of here.

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It was the BBC had seen Jerry Anderson's Empire, kind of quail.

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It was UFO 2 was meant to have started production.

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We can just segue, you know, the glory days of ITC with shows like

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The Saint, the Baron.

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Jason King, which, again, we haven't mentioned before, polarises a

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lot or reverses the polarity, I should say, of a lot of the pertly

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era because the Jason King character.

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You might say imbues.

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They both started exactly the same point.

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But I really think a lot of Pertwee's characterisation, not just

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the flamboyant, uh, if you want to say, the post-Bo Brummel look

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that, that, exactly.

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But also that very Leslie Howard-esk manner of acting.

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Leslie Howard was the Scarlet Pimpernel in all those Baroness

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Auxey 40s movies.

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He was Ingrid Bergman's dumped object in Casablanca.

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If you think back.

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But that very much that style of throw the line away and kiss

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abroad and smoke a siggy.

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And I think that's what Pertz was always trying to get.

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But I've got to actually say Pertz had more humanity than that and

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it never really came across, you might disagree, but he always

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came across as a bit more fragile and a bit more sensitive than

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that and more doctorly.

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He was never quite the callous regency buck that those other

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actors were playing.

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We talked a little bit about how perch we, after his 1st season

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starts to reflexively support kind of progressive causes.

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And anti-feminism, yeah, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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I mean, in fact, this story has him tell Sarah to stay behind and

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talk to the queen and then Sarah says...

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Which one love, they all look like.

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No, no.

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Like the doctor gets Sarah to tell Queen Thalira about feminism.

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It's probably the most ponderous.

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It's terrible, the same.

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And then it does boil down to essentially one of the best Sarah

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Jane lines, which is there is nothing only about being a girl.

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Really?

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I just think that clanks.

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I think that's absolutely wonderful.

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I mean, it clanks slightly when it's brought back up in episode

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six.

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There was nothing more only about being a biner than there is

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about being a girl, Your Majesty.

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There's nothing only about being a poacher, pig.

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If it was being said to a human at this point in history, yes, it

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would be clunky.

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But because it's never occurred to Queen Thilera, that she can be

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an equal to a man.

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It does have to be put in very black and white terms for her.

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And I think, you know, there's nothing only about being a girl.

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Liz delivers it really well.

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And I think it's still relevant today, sadly, with, you know, sort

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of Disney saying things like, oh, no, we don't put Black Widow on

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our Avengers merchandise because little girls don't buy them at

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engines merchandise.

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Disney have actually... gone backwards.

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Yeah, no, we've gone backwards that far, haven't we?

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And yet look at Diana Reagan, the Avengers, on whom not, you know

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we...

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Well, we know...

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We know that Stanley got the title from the ABC series.

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He admitted that later on much later on.

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Black Widow was based entirely on Emma Thiel.

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Yeah.

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And, you know...

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Bugger.

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You know what?

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I'd be happy to see Scala Johansson as Emma Peel.

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No, I actually want Jenna Coleman.

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Oh, yeah.

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Weirdly.

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Or Rachel Sterling.

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I'm not even a fan, obviously, but I'm not even a fan of Jenna

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Coleman in Doctor Who, but I would love to see her as an Emma Peel

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character.

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We haven't even got to how samey characters get in the new series

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have we?

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But I think, you know, we're still getting lots of variety. saves

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this one.

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And speaking?

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No, she doesn't.

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It's gonna be one of those episodes.

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Well, it's not good in it, but it's not saved.

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Why don't they?

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Come on.

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She and Eckersley actually save it.

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I love Donald Geek.

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That's king.

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Speaking of that, terrified butter, as he was known to, isn't it?

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Speaking of actors, I do actually think on the whole, this has a

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better cast than Curse of Pelican.

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It's got a really much better cast and I actually think it moves.

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Okay, it doesn't necessarily move.

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I love that Ultron.

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Is it Ultron?

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Don't have you noticed?

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Joe to his mates.

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Yeah, have you noticed?

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Well, exactly.

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Have you noticed how the miners have all had a complete makeover

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and done up as badges?

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I think that was Ortron.

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I'm sorry that it's just not having it.

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I'm not saying.

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Maybe you're onto something.

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I think blore is a much more sensitive performance than grum.

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And he's sexier.

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Really?

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The silent king's champion.

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It's got one of the best fight sequences of all time for Pertz.

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And even with his bad back, Okay, it's actually Terry Walsh in a

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new wig.

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No, but it's not he's not got the new wig yet.

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So he's still got the appalling wig, which has a great sign on it

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saying, Terry Walsh under him.

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Look how good Jerry Walsh is not here.

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Yeah.

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And then, and then the entire dialogue is amazing.

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He actually does get a line of dialogue, doesn't he?

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That fight scene, we get his face.

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Like he's getting the face.

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If you haven't picked up all the Welsh mining references so far.

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This is on the mountain.

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I thought he was tossed down a pit in the 1st one.

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No, he's tossed down a pit here.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Funnily enough, they're asking how to Agador.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Not for the fight with Ethis.

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No, the fight with Edis is on Mount Mageshra or something.

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You know, Mageshra was actually a character and then they rewrote

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it as a mountain?

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That's how terrific the narrative of this is.

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That's true, by the way.

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Inspired by just the incredible mess that the Monster Paladon is

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we've not really contextualised. you have to?

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So we're back on Paladon.

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And there's a monster.

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Okay, it is good because it's another RKO horror film of the 30s

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40s and it looks the same and I love the model.

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It's the same model and I love the wind so effect.

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Kind of like the score in this too.

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Whenever Dudley gets a chance to do sort of a regal thing.

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And it's a proper scoring and he, yeah, he put the work into it.

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There are ice warriors.

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Are you surprised?

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Gosh, they're terrible too.

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And like last time, and this is sound... is the listener thing?

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Yeah, you know what, guys?

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You make this part.

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We're gonna go have a drink.

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I know I love the Ice Warriors and everything.

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I do have to say I love them in this as well.

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Always good to see Sonny Caldon.

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Weezy heave, heave.

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No, they're shockingly bad.

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Santa says, and we, I think we probably said something like this

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at the time.

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Pertu is kind of racist against the Ice Warriors.

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When Trouton last encountered the Ice Warriors.

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He was shooting them with a big solar gun and just wiping them

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out.

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Yeah, very untrown.

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Yeah, not really.

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And then, so when Pertwee encounters the ice water is in cursive

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Paladon.

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He thinks they're the bad guys.

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And Joe isn't buying that straight away.

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And then we eventually discovered the Ice Warriors. are actually

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good guys.

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They've gone from being terrible murderous monsters to being

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federation people who are on the side of good.

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And so pertu is proved wrong and there's moral progress in the

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universe.

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Here they're just back to being sort of bad guys who are

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pretending to be federation things.

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And so I just spent the entire time thinking about how huge their

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bums are and what great big beer guts they have.

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Well, stop, actually, I'm getting excited.

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Yeah, I'm sitting right here.

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And they're lumbering and sort of terrible looking, really.

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I mean, I just think colour has not been kind to those costumes at

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all.

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They're horribly bright green and fluffy.

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They're awkward.

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They're just not very menacing.

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And and I've never heard anyone mention this, right?

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In the ice warriors.

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There are 2 kinds of ice warriors.

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There's the ones with noses and then there's the sort of pineapple

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headed ones that don't have any nose.

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Yeah, and he comes back in this.

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He comes back in this because they've got lots of ice.

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So there are only 2 ice warriors in Curse of Paladon, but now we

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have lots of them.

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And so we're having to haul out the old pumpkinhead ones that we

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didn't even use in seeds of death, for God's sake.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Here they, you know, here they are again.

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And they just look lamentably terrible, I think.

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I think another big problem is they seem to have had a repaint

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since Curse of Paladin.

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Because in Curse of Peladin, they were more of a bottle green. and

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now they're bright green.

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In Curse of Peladon, there was variation in the colour.

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It was slightly mottled, whereas this is a far more solid kind of

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green.

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I agree, they look a bit shoddier in this, and it's not because of

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the condition of the prop, in my opinion.

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It is entirely down to the paintwork, just looking too clean for a

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bunch of warriors.

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And again, by episodes of 5 or 6, The doctor's just killing them.

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Like he's got control of the Agador statue with the heat ray and

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he just makes it appear and kills a whole bunch of them.

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I mean, it's terrible, you know?

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Yeah, I suppose the doctor does...

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Even more than Daleks and Sidemen kind of directly attacks the ice

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Warriors whenever they appear.

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It is a bit strange.

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He's opposed to lizards I think.

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After all these years with Malcolm...

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Well that's why Malcolm Hawk never comes back again.

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Actually, we didn't mention last week, but apparently the reason

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Malcolm Hall didn't come back was all the stuffing about he had on

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invasion of the dinosaurs.

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Like, you know, he wanted to do this really strong political story

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and he had put dinosaurs in it.

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And then the final draw was when they took dinosaurs out of the

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title because he's like, now no one's going to watch the 1st

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episode.

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How dare you put such a dull title on my thing?

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He was getting out of television anyway, which was way coming back

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and wrote the novels.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's true they didn't really respect his talent and wrestle.

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But you could see how the production was going.

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It's also because Letts and Dicks were away, so it was really

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being handled by other blokes.

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He should have had more freedom.

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This is ostensibly supposed to be a political story of the kind

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that...

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Which they've been doing.

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It's meant to be the...

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It's the 3 day week you mentioned.

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Yes.

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Yes, but it's terrible.

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It's just appalling.

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The politics are shockingly bad.

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Xander goes on about this as well, but it's really obvious from

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just a cursory viewing of it that the natural of order of things

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is that there are nobles and there are minors and the nobles tell

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the miners what to do.

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What's happened here is we've got the Federation, all of this

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stuff, which was supposed to bring all these benefits to Paladon

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the minors aren't enjoying any of those benefits.

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Pertway comes in is on the miner's side.

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But when the episode ends and the natural order of things is

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restored, it's back to Queen Falira, who is completely useless, has

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never done a day's work in her life, proactively once bit Donald

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Guy's hand.

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But that's the only thing that she's actually ever achieved.

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A very convincing phoney list, purely.

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Nina Thomas doesn't actually speak with a lisp.

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So do you think somebody was taking the pith in this?

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and that she, the scenes between she and Pert, they're just

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sibilant city?

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David Trout.

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Borrowed Trout, please.

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That one I thought that was the royal list here, the royal list.

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But I think the point is, politics is a really valid one.

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Because even when this was broadcast, That had already been done

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and dusted and finished off.

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Yeah, in fact, that was over by the time this came on TV.

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Yeah.

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Well, well, I think it was...

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There was a new government in power by now.

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The government came in during invasion of the dinosaurs, went back

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to the 5 day work week, got the minors back to work, got the power

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back on.

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There was a big viewing spike in invasion of the dinosaurs because

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suddenly a lot more people could watch television.

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Exactly, which is what they were saying.

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But you like the biggest thing in the news at the time was not

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just the death of Glam Rock.

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It was announced in the press.

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Slade's Christmas song was still in the charts.

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We were always calling the Death of Glam, so it's kind of the

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death of Pertley era as well.

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But apparently a revolution in Portugal had been sparked by the

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Eurovision song contest.

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No, it wasn't sparked by the end.

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I'd like to think about...

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But it did take place at the same time and there's some story

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about it, the revolution against Salazar, and they all kind of...

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He was a nice story to the streets.

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I thought he was played by Patrick Trey.

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Yeah They all head onto the street.

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But singing it and dancing at a particular moment during the

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broadcast.

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I still blame the revisions.

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But the, the, um...

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So the doctor comes in and the minors are all irrational and

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they're all superstitious and they're stupid and they're...

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It's not stupid. awful, isn't it?

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Easily led.

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And what they need to do is shut up and get back to work while the

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doctor solves the problem for them.

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And the doctor's constantly telling the miners to get back to

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work.

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And like the whole thing is...

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It's so bloody patrician, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Tom Baker wouldn't have said that.

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Let's go and stop a fire.

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Yeah, Troughton would have as well.

401
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. rubbing his hands gleefully. acid.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It had all had everyone's even Hartnell, you know, he would have

404
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smashed it.

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And this is the only middle class doctor we've ever really ever

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had.

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I think a big problem is... except for Colin Baker.

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Brian Hales seems to be quite a conservative writer.

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But, I mean, in Curse of Paladon.

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Superstition was kind of retrograde and was holding us back and

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technology, and in particular, we talked about it at the time. sort

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of transnational cooperation.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it was about joining a federation, joining something bigger

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than a mere nation.

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And all the way through that early part of the Pertwee era.

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That's seen as a progressive force.

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And here in Monster, we even go back on that, the moment that it

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looks like the Federation's going to get involved, suddenly Joe

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Ortron and Garebeck are on the same side and they're working

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together. you know, them banding together with their horrible

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oppressive hierarchy and all of that sort of thing.

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Terrible headers.

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All of that's forgotten when we have the chance to get angry at

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some foreigners.

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And so the idea is really weird It's really, really politically

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shockingly bad.

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And they're only justified in that because the ice Warriors have

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become evil again, which they don't know.

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No.

431
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No, they get back and also don't know.

432
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Yeah, they just think it's the Federation.

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To segue for a moment, Gebek, the lovely, sadly, no longer with us

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Rex Robinson.

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He's great.

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Yeah.

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I would say he is the best guest actor in the story.

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I know Donald G is very good, but I find...

439
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I like Rex Robinson as well.

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He's so sympathetic with it, and he makes the only realistic

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actually, Pell character in the episode, even with that terrible

442
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Elsa Manchester, Bride of Frankenstein, Afro, Freightwig.

443
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It's as if Black exploitation.

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Black exploitation meets exactly.

445
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You know, young Frankenstein actually wasn't out until 1975.

446
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And yet they're actually doing the Madeline Khan look in this in

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this.

448
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Do you know who did the hair in this?

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Elizabeth Morse.

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And we didn't really see her again until she plays Peggy and Mad

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Men.

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See, there's a woman who was hanging around the throne room.

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Vegan Nexus.

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We haven't gone onto him yet.

455
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Oh, Vegan Nexus.

456
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Played by 60s Dalek operator Gerald Taylor.

457
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He's a hairy carrot and Mr. Tumnus in one.

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It's like, it's like a carrot and Mr. Thomas had a foxy weekend or

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a frisky weekend after the Fox and Fawn pub and Mega Nexus was the

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result.

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Do you know they were looking at doing a figure in the range?

462
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God knows why, but the Dennis Fisher range was kind of, he was one

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of the ones I can get.

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He was only here for 3 seconds, but he was so popular with the

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children.

466
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He's awfully calm, isn't he?

467
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He's got those...

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He's so good There is nothing for you to fear.

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Welcome to the world of tomorrow.

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He's great.

471
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I'd like to think he's one of Azol's mates.

472
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He's kind of like a lesser demon character.

473
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Yeah, maybe.

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But he's a mining engineer, which is lovely.

475
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He should wear a shirt, probably, if he's...

476
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Well, maybe his people think that's obscene.

477
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Get your nipples out, there's nipples.

478
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Yeah, not much going for it.

479
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Terry does play someone else apart from the doctor, by the way

480
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plays a minor, I believe.

481
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No, no, he's a he's also a guard.

482
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Is he a guard?

483
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he gets locked up for an episode because we've got six...

484
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Oh yeah, that's right. the guard with the coin trick.

485
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Yeah, God, it's boring, isn't it?

486
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I love that Kurt grabs Sarah by the ear at the end and leads her

487
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into the Tartars.

488
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It's really nasty.

489
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You can't see him getting away with that.

490
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Well, why do they do that?

491
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That's awful.

492
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It's well played, you know, as much as it possibly can be by the 2

493
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of them.

494
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You know, he's not angry with her.

495
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She thinks it's funny.

496
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Like, the way it's played kind of almost wrestling.

497
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I think it's a Terrence Sticks moment. awful.

498
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It's awful.

499
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The whole thing's awful.

500
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And, you know, Sarah gets that speech to Queen Thalira.

501
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There's nothing only about being a girl.

502
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And as I said before, she does nothing.

503
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Like, if that, it smells of dicks all over, doesn't it, that

504
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line?

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If it had inspired her to be heroic.

506
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You know what?

507
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I do, she doesn't get enough, but I think she does get a few

508
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moments of heroism.

509
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Like, you know, biteckersly's hand, but that's really it.

510
00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:39.839
And then she tries to escape out the thing, but fails. and then

511
00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.059
she watches all through the back passage, yeah.

512
00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.960
Yeah, but also when when he's then dragging her along, she

513
00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.920
actually stops him in a pile of bodies and has this quite, quite

514
00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.140
good few lines berated.

515
00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:53.099
Look at what you've done.

516
00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:53.880
Look at what you've created.

517
00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:55.740
It comes too late in the story.

518
00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:58.740
And why do so many people get killed?

519
00:20:58.799 --> 00:20:59.640
It's not fun.

520
00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:00.779
Isn't it interesting?

521
00:21:00.779 --> 00:21:01.559
It's killed.

522
00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:04.140
It's interesting that they land again and the scanners on the

523
00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:05.579
blink just like it was last time.

524
00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:08.279
Do you think that the Tartars might just have not been able to

525
00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:08.940
bear to watch?

526
00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:10.920
Yeah, he doesn't want to watch Beladon.

527
00:21:10.980 --> 00:21:13.259
It's the boredom capital of the universe.

528
00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:16.559
See also vengeance on Baroffs.

529
00:21:17.099 --> 00:21:19.140
Scanners on the blinker.

530
00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:21.900
Actually, vengeance on Baros really is a remake of this story

531
00:21:21.900 --> 00:21:22.380
isn't it?

532
00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:23.160
Miners.

533
00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:26.940
I mean, it certainly has I hate that story.

534
00:21:27.420 --> 00:21:29.460
Can't wait to have done that.

535
00:21:29.579 --> 00:21:31.740
I mean, in that story, we just hear that the miners have started

536
00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:34.140
looking like badgers rather than actually seeing them.

537
00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:37.019
They do.

538
00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:38.220
Badgers.

539
00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:40.079
With Quillum turning them into badges.

540
00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:41.460
Quillam's turning them into badges.

541
00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:42.299
Oh god.

542
00:21:43.619 --> 00:21:46.680
So that's an homage to this story.

543
00:21:46.740 --> 00:21:47.819
Yes, yes.

544
00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:49.500
Is that a mess?

545
00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:50.759
Is anything salvageable from that?

546
00:21:50.819 --> 00:21:52.200
Do people have fun making this?

547
00:21:52.259 --> 00:21:55.019
As much as we've had fun reviewing it?

548
00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.180
Hurt we had already decided to go.

549
00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:59.099
Yeah, he's not really there for this one is he?

550
00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:00.839
I believe...

551
00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.779
I've heard from, I heard in an interview with Liz Sladen that

552
00:22:03.779 --> 00:22:09.420
usually during studios and whatnot, pert we would be warming

553
00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:11.579
everyone up and chatting away and whatnot.

554
00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.039
Apparently during this, whenever he wasn't on camera, he had

555
00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.700
brought in a little foldable desk and a little foldable chair and

556
00:22:17.700 --> 00:22:20.640
all of his fan mail and he was personally responding to all his

557
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.619
fan mail between takes and not speaking to everyone.

558
00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.460
And he said in the years later, that was because he knew how hard

559
00:22:26.460 --> 00:22:27.420
it would be to leave.

560
00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:29.279
So he was effectively weaning himself off.

561
00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:32.519
Well, he was actually writing to them all.

562
00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:34.740
Write in and tell them that I have to stay.

563
00:22:34.859 --> 00:22:37.799
Give me more money. must have it.

564
00:22:37.859 --> 00:22:39.299
Ask my aunt.

565
00:22:39.539 --> 00:22:43.440
Ask mummy and daddy to put £5 in an offer.

566
00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:48.779
I mean, what this story has going for it is it does have some very

567
00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:52.980
nice moments, possibly enough nice moments to make up 2 episodes.

568
00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:55.140
You've got. pretty generous.

569
00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:55.920
I agree.

570
00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:58.859
It would have been a much better as, you know, a three, possibly

571
00:22:58.859 --> 00:23:01.079
four, but 6 episodes.

572
00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:02.759
What were they thinking?

573
00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:05.039
As you've said earlier, it's just a cost-saving measure because

574
00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:06.480
they've still got the set.

575
00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:07.019
Well exactly.

576
00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:08.339
So Lenny Maine had all of that.

577
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:09.900
Where's the money gone?

578
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:10.680
I can't see that.

579
00:23:10.740 --> 00:23:12.539
I think it's Ron and his wife.

580
00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:16.559
Because his wife is standing around in the background of the...

581
00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:17.880
Oh, yeah, she's the attendant.

582
00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:19.740
Yeah, yeah, dressed as a Cadbury chocolate.

583
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:20.640
Is she Australian as well?

584
00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:21.359
I don't know.

585
00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:23.940
Do you know, it is that it is actually the same purple.

586
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.099
It is Cadbury Purple.

587
00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.259
We never actually said that.

588
00:23:28.380 --> 00:23:29.880
Now we'll get sued.

589
00:23:29.940 --> 00:23:33.299
No, I mean, you've got, for instance, at the end of episode one

590
00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:35.160
Pertwi says, what the bloody hell is it?

591
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:36.299
Does he?

592
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.079
He doesn't say it, but well, okay, here's the thing.

593
00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:44.519
When the Agador statue appears and kills blore, you cut to the

594
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:48.059
doctor and there's lots of noise and effects and whatnot and you

595
00:23:48.059 --> 00:23:50.519
can't actually hear what Pert was saying, but lip reading, it

596
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.940
looks pretty clear that he either says what the bloody hell is it

597
00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:55.920
or what the blue blazes is it?

598
00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:57.839
And it's very hard to tell.

599
00:23:57.900 --> 00:24:00.720
And I think Mark Ayres is fiddled with the sound and even he can't

600
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:01.200
figure it out.

601
00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:03.779
It's the Hound of the Baskervilles, isn't it?

602
00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:06.779
Yeah, yeah, Agador.

603
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:07.019
Yeah.

604
00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:09.180
But he wears white socks.

605
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:11.880
You've got the fact that you've got the fact that Agador himself

606
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:12.720
is back anyway.

607
00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:17.099
You have the doctor and Sarah in that pit lit very moodily, which

608
00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:18.960
I remember was a childhood nightmare of mine.

609
00:24:19.019 --> 00:24:20.400
Mood lighting.

610
00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:21.119
Mood lighting.

611
00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:22.019
Yeah, yeah.

612
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:22.440
Yeah.

613
00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:27.180
And you have Sarah's, you have Sarah's wonderful relationship with

614
00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:28.079
Alpha Centauri.

615
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:31.680
Yeah, again, it's the same thing that you noticed with Bel Al

616
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:36.299
where she's initially kind of a bit freaked by, you know, slimy

617
00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:37.380
penis monster.

618
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:39.180
But she gets over there.

619
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:39.839
There's a crash on it.

620
00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:41.160
Yeah, which is really good.

621
00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:44.819
It helps Sarah to realise that there is a being, there is an

622
00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:46.259
entity and a consciousness.

623
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:47.039
It's not a monster.

624
00:24:47.099 --> 00:24:48.240
It's a person.

625
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:48.960
Stuart Phil.

626
00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:51.839
It's Stuart fell in Yuzan church.

627
00:24:51.900 --> 00:24:54.720
And, you know, she says, look, you know, I'm really sorry.

628
00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:55.500
I'm just jumping.

629
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:56.160
It's my fault.

630
00:24:56.220 --> 00:25:00.059
It's nothing you've done because Alpha always blames everything on

631
00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:00.660
itself.

632
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:06.359
Sarah also has a bit of a fun relationship with Eckersley.

633
00:25:06.420 --> 00:25:09.779
His his treachery at the end isn't surprising in the slightest.

634
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:10.440
No.

635
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:14.039
He's been kind of staring into the Middle Eastern significantly

636
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:14.519
and stuff.

637
00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:19.019
I also love that he's reunited with something from his very 1st

638
00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:20.099
Doctor Who appearance.

639
00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:21.480
Is he in the space park?

640
00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:23.759
He's in the space pirates, wearing the ice lord helmet.

641
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:25.619
He is.

642
00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:26.160
He is.

643
00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:29.220
And so yeah, that's the real reason they're working together, of

644
00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:29.519
course.

645
00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:35.519
And we also get Pertley's heroic last sand as the multicoloured

646
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.019
tinsel is swirling round his head.

647
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.900
Sarah thinks he's killed twice.

648
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.359
Once in episode 4 and once in episode six.

649
00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:43.079
Yeah.

650
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:46.920
She's convinced that when they blew up the Sonic Lance, the doctor

651
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:48.720
was killed and you've killed him and all of that.

652
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.000
And someone says to her, no, no, it's okay.

653
00:25:51.059 --> 00:25:52.079
They just killed Terry Walsh.

654
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.000
They've just killed poor...

655
00:25:54.059 --> 00:25:54.599
No, Etis.

656
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:55.019
No.

657
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:56.519
Why?

658
00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.000
This makes me angry as well because he's like, you know, he's a

659
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.900
minor who's unprepared to accept the great chain of being and the

660
00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:07.920
fact that queens are more important than he is and that drives him

661
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.160
crazy and he's going to kill everyone because working class people

662
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.519
are essentially just a moment. that's right.

663
00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:19.799
Is it better or worse than his appearance as Trantist in Dalek

664
00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:20.339
master plan?

665
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.880
It's much worse. is he's a diva.

666
00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:26.160
But I think his best role is still Bert.

667
00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:27.000
Yeah.

668
00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:28.500
Toss up.

669
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:30.660
Burt for the...

670
00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:31.319
From the Green Death.

671
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:32.339
He is too.

672
00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:36.839
Yes, the poor minor who calls Joe Blodwin appears in this as a

673
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.480
minor who just gets angry at people and tries to kill Terry

674
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:39.960
Walsh.

675
00:26:40.019 --> 00:26:40.559
Yeah.

676
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.059
We can't have that.

677
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:43.619
We've all had days like that, though, haven't we?

678
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.720
Only the doctor doesn't have to kill Terry Walsh.

679
00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:46.559
No, you're probably right.

680
00:26:46.619 --> 00:26:47.759
What else?

681
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.619
I like Kurt, Terry Walsh, please.

682
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:50.039
Yes.

683
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:50.759
Let's come in.

684
00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:52.920
He plays 3 separate parts, doesn't it?

685
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:53.279
This one?

686
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:55.500
Well, 3 guards as well as the king's champion in this one.

687
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:56.880
No, he's not the king's champion.

688
00:26:56.940 --> 00:26:58.380
That's right.

689
00:26:58.380 --> 00:26:59.160
He's the guard captain.

690
00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:02.519
I told you last time that Death to the Daleks was the 1st story I

691
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:03.240
had ever watched.

692
00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:08.220
And for some reason, I think, after Death of the Daleks finished

693
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:12.779
the night that Peladon was on, my family had to go out and like I

694
00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:15.420
was 10, there was nothing I could do about it, so I missed Doctor

695
00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:16.019
Who.

696
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.259
And I thought, well, if I've missed episode one.

697
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:21.359
I shouldn't really watch the rest of it.

698
00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:25.380
So I waited until Planet of the Spiders was on and I never saw

699
00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:27.119
this in 1978 at all.

700
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:31.740
And I think that that probably just improved the quality of my

701
00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:33.660
childhood, just that slightest bit.

702
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.619
Yeah, you know, I think I think the actors are all really good, but

703
00:27:37.619 --> 00:27:43.980
just the material, the story, it kind of betrays Curse of Peladin

704
00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:46.619
for me because Curse of Peladin, it's meant to be a great thing

705
00:27:46.619 --> 00:27:49.019
that they're going to join the Federation, and then it turns out

706
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.180
Actually, no, the Federation are taking horrible advantage of

707
00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:51.420
them.

708
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.200
And I think we're meant to believe that, oh, no, no, it's just

709
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.779
this side of the Federation, the rogue side.

710
00:27:57.839 --> 00:27:59.640
It's not the rogue side ordering the mining.

711
00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:02.700
It's not the rogue side that's at war with Galaxy 5.

712
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:04.140
Exactly, you know?

713
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:04.680
It's.

714
00:28:05.819 --> 00:28:09.599
Yeah, it's really because Curse of Peladon, I think, is one of the

715
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:10.680
best pertly stories.

716
00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:15.359
And yeah, I think this just this is this is the X-Men 3 of Doctor

717
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:15.839
Who.

718
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:18.480
It's really trampling all over it. don't know what he's talking

719
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:18.720
about.

720
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:27.240
Nor do I. I said, where a little bit can go for far too long

721
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:27.660
away.

722
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:33.420
Well, something's about to go far, far, far away at the end of

723
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:34.319
Planet of the Spiders.

724
00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:49.019
So this is my story, and it's obviously a giant celebration of the

725
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:51.119
entire kind of pertwee era.

726
00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:55.319
And to that end, it's just chock full of elements that we've seen

727
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:55.859
before.

728
00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.480
And as I've decided that making lists is my new forte.

729
00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:05.759
And so here's my giant list of things that we've seen before

730
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:06.720
okay?

731
00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:09.000
And feel free to leap in and add to it.

732
00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:12.900
The brigade is only in episodes one and 2 until the final scene

733
00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:16.319
and then he comes back, which is just like the time monster of the

734
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.779
time warrior, where the brigadier drops off.

735
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:21.960
In the middle of a unit story, we go off to another time or planet

736
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.480
like in day or time monster or time warrior.

737
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:24.900
Check.

738
00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:27.599
The villain is something from mythology.

739
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.539
Demons or Time Monster.

740
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.799
We get to meet the doctor's guru from the Buddha's flower sermon

741
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:37.380
which we had in time monster.

742
00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:41.039
There's a long, boring car chase in episode two, like the long

743
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.420
boring car chase in episode five, of invasion of dinosaurs.

744
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.460
Up and down the same length of road.

745
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:48.539
This is great.

746
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:49.920
Is it a camera reverse?

747
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:53.700
Much of the action takes place on the planet, Metabolist 3, which

748
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:55.200
you've got...

749
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.259
Yeah, well, the spiders call it Metabolis as well, so I think we

750
00:29:58.259 --> 00:29:59.579
have to get rid of that theory.

751
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:00.779
No, I like that.

752
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.119
It's the TARDS translation artefact, I'm sure.

753
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:06.299
So that's kind of a Monsters and Green Death mentioned that.

754
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:10.799
A lot of really shockingly terrible CSO, which I think is a

755
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.279
harkback to Terror of the Autons invasion of the dinosaurs

756
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.420
Carnival, monsters and pretty much the rest of the last 5 years of

757
00:30:18.420 --> 00:30:20.640
Doctor Who ever since they brought it in.

758
00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:24.180
We get Joe mentioned in her marriage.

759
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.900
We get the drashigs appearing on the screen.

760
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:31.380
We get Mike Yates finalising his character arc.

761
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.559
Yep, we get Bessie back, who we last saw in the Green Death.

762
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:35.700
Still no lines.

763
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:36.960
Still no lines.

764
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:38.880
She doesn't talk pretty much, does she?

765
00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:44.700
But the big gaping emission, which was completely unavoidable, is

766
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:47.640
of course, Roger Delgado, who's the signature villain of the

767
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:51.720
Poetry era, who was fabulous in season 8 and whom we've grown to

768
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.559
love over the last few years, and we've already said why that is.

769
00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:56.579
Yeah, yeah.

770
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.099
He had unfortunately been killed by this time.

771
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.779
However, he is, if you like, represented in the story.

772
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.259
His wife, Kismet Delgado, which is the queen.

773
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:08.279
She is the queen.

774
00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:09.119
Is she the queen?

775
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:10.440
And she's also the great one.

776
00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:12.420
She's the queen and the great one.

777
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:14.400
She's fantastic too.

778
00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:15.299
She's really lovely.

779
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.819
The sad thing is, it was an unregistered taxi.

780
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.119
He was in Turkey with 2 crewmen and it went when it went over

781
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:21.720
Cliff.

782
00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:24.480
His life insurance didn't cover it because the taxi was

783
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:25.019
unregistered.

784
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.480
So she had no, she didn't get any payout.

785
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:30.839
Yeah, I think eventually they settled with the movie company

786
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.319
because the car that was meant to pick him up didn't turn up.

787
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.500
So being the professional he was, because he was due on set.

788
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:39.779
He was curious about being early.

789
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:40.619
Yeah, exactly.

790
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:41.579
Exactly.

791
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.779
And I believe eventually she, if she did see, she did see

792
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:47.279
compensation for that.

793
00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:52.859
But this was this was Barry Lett's saying, oh, you know, we should

794
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:53.279
help her out.

795
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:54.000
And she's fabulous.

796
00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:55.859
She is really good. more voices.

797
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:56.759
That's terrific.

798
00:31:56.819 --> 00:31:57.720
That voice.

799
00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:02.519
I've mentioned before that my mother sort of clings to a few

800
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:04.500
things she remembers about Doctor Who.

801
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:06.240
One of the things is that voice.

802
00:32:06.299 --> 00:32:09.960
Whenever she hears a shrill voice, she'll always turn to me and

803
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:11.940
say, oh, the great one.

804
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.200
So imagine if you will dawn French doing that.

805
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.299
Your mother dawn French.

806
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:21.119
My mother is very, my mother is a cross between Dawn, French, and

807
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:21.960
Sarah Jane Smith.

808
00:32:22.019 --> 00:32:25.380
Dream come true, then. and it's Mother's Day.

809
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:26.700
Happy Mother's Day too.

810
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:28.500
It is, we are recording this on Mother's Day.

811
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:29.759
I'll be emailing her later.

812
00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:31.680
She's galavanting across Europe at the moment.

813
00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:34.799
And also, Nathan, returning in this story.

814
00:32:34.859 --> 00:32:35.279
We have.

815
00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:38.519
I have the castle is different. just going to go down.

816
00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:41.759
So you can you can check these off for me while I go.

817
00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:43.559
John Durth returns.

818
00:32:43.619 --> 00:32:44.759
He was boss.

819
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:45.480
He was boss.

820
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.779
Andrew Staines and Christopher Burgess return?

821
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.240
Yeah, so that's Good and Professor Phillips.

822
00:32:51.299 --> 00:32:52.980
Yes, from Terror of the Autons?

823
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:54.420
Terence Lodge.

824
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.200
He's Moss and he was Aurum in Carnival of Monsters.

825
00:32:58.259 --> 00:32:59.339
That's a lovely gray pasty thing.

826
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:00.779
Yeah, yeah, he's great in that too.

827
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:01.980
Kevin Lindsay?

828
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.740
He was lynx in the Time Warrior.

829
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.880
George Cormack?

830
00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:10.500
He's Campo when he was Dalios in the Time Monsters. which is where

831
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:11.279
Campo was mentioned.

832
00:33:11.339 --> 00:33:13.259
Pat Gorman?

833
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:14.279
Terry Walsh.

834
00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:15.480
Stuart Fell.

835
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:18.359
So they're all kind of Silurians and things, everything.

836
00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:20.579
Walter Randall and Max Faulkner?

837
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:21.359
No who are they?

838
00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:22.440
Walter Randall.

839
00:33:22.500 --> 00:33:25.200
Walter Randall was Harry Slocum in Inferno.

840
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:26.460
And go right away.

841
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:27.059
And what's he?

842
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.039
He is one of the guard captains.

843
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:32.640
And if we go right back to the Aztecs.

844
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:38.400
He is Tonila, one of the high priests, and he is also Saladin in

845
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:39.180
the Crusade.

846
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.039
Okay, you've left some out?

847
00:33:41.099 --> 00:33:43.140
Yeah, I'll be coming back to those in a moment.

848
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.220
We got Yosan Churchman.

849
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:47.759
Ah, yes. as voice of Alpha Centauri and the spider.

850
00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:48.480
Yep.

851
00:33:48.539 --> 00:33:50.880
And I had to leave the best to last.

852
00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:51.660
Oh good.

853
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.099
I'm glad you did not left him out.

854
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:54.480
We've got Cyril Shat.

855
00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:56.700
Who was Dr. Lennox in Ambassadors of Death?

856
00:33:56.819 --> 00:33:57.900
Delicious, delicious.

857
00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:58.380
Yeah, yeah.

858
00:33:58.380 --> 00:33:59.700
Playing a kind of...

859
00:33:59.700 --> 00:34:01.440
He's cosplaying as the doctor.

860
00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:02.220
He is.

861
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:05.160
He's lambasting and isn't he terrific?

862
00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:08.880
He's kind of what cosplay Doctor Who would, you know, what a fan

863
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.300
would have thought Doctor Who actually looks like with Professory

864
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:13.139
Beard, you know?

865
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:18.360
Between that cast, we actually have representatives from every

866
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:19.679
year of the Pertwee era.

867
00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:24.840
And you know, I don't think that's an accident. not at all.

868
00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:27.719
And most of these people who've appeared before appeared in Barry

869
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.659
Let's directed stories, and I think Barry Letz has consciously

870
00:34:30.659 --> 00:34:34.380
gone back and gotten probably people that John got on quite well

871
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:35.219
working with.

872
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.219
And I think that is a lovely, lovely aspect.

873
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.940
Yeah, of course, in the new series when we do that sort of thing

874
00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:43.139
we get them back in the same parts.

875
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.960
You know, we get things like the stolen earth that just has

876
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.440
everyone who's appeared in the last 4 years, except for Eggleston

877
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:50.579
because he doesn't do that anymore.

878
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.420
But no, I think I think it's a lovely touch.

879
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:55.320
And you know what?

880
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:56.280
I'd always been aware of it.

881
00:34:56.340 --> 00:35:01.440
But Andrew Staines and Walter Randall and Max Faulkner.

882
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.679
I hadn't noticed before until I rewatched it actually keeping my

883
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:05.099
eye out.

884
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:09.300
But for another note on the cast, Todd has a question for us.

885
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:15.360
Has the Pertwee era in its dying throws discovered the pinup boy

886
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:21.239
of 1974 in the younger son of Sable.

887
00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:27.119
Oh, look, we do if you're still watching top of the pops or it's

888
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:28.380
very pop, isn't it?

889
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.579
And not pop art, just as in pop groupie, that whole village of the

890
00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:34.079
oddly washed socks.

891
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:39.539
It's some, yeah, the gypsy caravan of courage, dorcet thing.

892
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.179
Yeah, but I really like Gareth Hunt and that letter.

893
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.880
No one that really stands out as being terrific in that village

894
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.920
although some of them have been memorable for other reasons.

895
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.260
Jenny Laird, their mother.

896
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:49.800
Exactly.

897
00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:52.500
Jenny Land of the Eponymous Award.

898
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.599
Yes, and we have another question from Todd.

899
00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:58.679
Will Jenny Laird be nominated and even win her own award.

900
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:01.739
We worstly want to give it to someone who's won.

901
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.500
Well, look, I was actually going to say, but she's just not good

902
00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:05.219
enough to do that.

903
00:36:05.219 --> 00:36:07.500
You'll have to go to somebody else's.

904
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:11.219
Well, the reason we have the Jenny Laird award for most puzzling

905
00:36:11.219 --> 00:36:15.119
creative choice is because there was a Jenny Laird award at Rada

906
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.739
which is where she went and do we all know the old joke about

907
00:36:19.739 --> 00:36:20.400
Rada?

908
00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:22.440
How do you know if someone's been to Rada?

909
00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:24.480
The Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts?

910
00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:27.719
They tell you. right.

911
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:30.119
What do you mean there was an award at Ryder?

912
00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:32.639
Because she was so esteemed at Rada?

913
00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:35.880
There was a Jenny Laird award at Rada, which is why this podcast

914
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.320
has a Jenny Laird award.

915
00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:39.539
So when you're saying she was so esteemed, we should...

916
00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:41.340
Star Wars wife.

917
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:48.239
She has 63 acting roles mentioned on IMDb and her career ranges

918
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.280
from 1935 to 1991.

919
00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:53.639
I don't know what the hell had she suffered a recent blow to the

920
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.159
head or something when she was in this?

921
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:57.480
It is all so on to play.

922
00:36:57.539 --> 00:37:00.000
She's like Joy Harrison in that everything is on the one level.

923
00:37:00.059 --> 00:37:01.920
No, I shan't you shan't take him.

924
00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:03.420
Sabo, my husband, my love.

925
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:03.960
Why did you do it?

926
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:04.679
Why, why?

927
00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:06.659
No, I shan't let you take it by Shantaijan.

928
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:07.920
And die.

929
00:37:07.980 --> 00:37:11.519
Yeah, and that's like, that's not an exaggeration of her

930
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.119
delivery.

931
00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:13.860
That's actually what she sounds like.

932
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.440
I've been waiting an entire year to say this.

933
00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:18.000
Oh, gosh, she's bad.

934
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:18.960
She's really terrible.

935
00:37:19.019 --> 00:37:23.820
So the Jenny Laird award, as given by Rada. is for achievement in

936
00:37:23.820 --> 00:37:24.719
a thankless role.

937
00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:31.199
As well as receiving the award, the recipient received £5 and a

938
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.000
hug and a hug.

939
00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:38.280
If it was a bankless role. past winners, included Jan Chappell

940
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.139
later to be Callie on Blake 7.

941
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.380
She should have got it for Callie on Blake...

942
00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:44.639
Perhaps presciently.

943
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:49.619
Doctor Who's Richard Franklin achieved the Jenny Laird Award

944
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:51.360
during his training in the late 60s.

945
00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:53.880
So can we talk about?

946
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:54.840
As a boy, most likely too.

947
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.139
So let's get back to the...

948
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.659
Let's get back to the actual story.

949
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:03.780
So the whole thing opens with Mike Yates, and I think it's

950
00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:06.420
probably a bit of a surprise to the audience at home.

951
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.860
He's got a lot of hair.

952
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.420
He's looking pretty good and he's retired to a sort of Tibetan

953
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:13.199
lamastery.

954
00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:14.039
A lamaster, yes.

955
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.300
And up to north.

956
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:21.179
Barry Letts is not Tibetan Buddhist.

957
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.519
Like, he's not a Vadreana Buddhist.

958
00:38:23.579 --> 00:38:25.380
He's into sort of Zen Buddhism.

959
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.300
And that story is much more Zen.

960
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:30.119
Well, he mashes up ideas.

961
00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:33.840
And he admits to this in interviews that he's using ideas from

962
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.579
sort of different strands of Buddhism.

963
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.119
But very early on, we see the people chanting around the Mandala

964
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.500
which depicts the Baba Chakra, which is decoration outside Tibetan

965
00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:44.159
monasteries.

966
00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:49.019
And Tibetan Buddhism comes to Scotland in the 60s.

967
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:54.239
There's a monastery set up in Scotland by a man called Choji, Akong

968
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.320
Rinposhe.

969
00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:58.619
And so that's clearly where the name comes from.

970
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.380
And that monastery sort of cedes other monasteries.

971
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.739
There's one in London, sort of in, you know, decades later and so

972
00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:05.039
on.

973
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:06.960
So Tibetan Buddhism is a thing.

974
00:39:07.019 --> 00:39:10.019
And you can see that Barry Letts has decided to include it here.

975
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.099
But with his usual sort of ham fisted sort of thing, it's evil

976
00:39:14.099 --> 00:39:15.000
Buddhists, isn't it?

977
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:20.460
All of these people who've come along to gain power and they chant

978
00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:24.599
around mandolas and someone spiders and do terrible things.

979
00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:29.519
And so there are elements of Buddhist ideas in this and

980
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.639
particularly when we get to it, the regeneration is kind of

981
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:36.179
conceived in Buddhist terms, but it is that sort of usual thing

982
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:39.900
where he kind of fouls it up a bit and ends up insulting the

983
00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:42.239
people he's supposed to.

984
00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:43.619
Yeah, I mean, it probably doesn't help that.

985
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:48.659
The only Buddhists we see who actually have dialogue and

986
00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:49.079
characters.

987
00:39:49.139 --> 00:39:51.420
The human ones are the evil ones.

988
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.500
And the only good ones are actually a singular time lord.

989
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:57.000
Spoiler alert.

990
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.159
Or an idiot that suddenly goes to all RP.

991
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:01.139
He doesn't actually.

992
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:01.800
I did check that.

993
00:40:01.860 --> 00:40:03.000
No, he does.

994
00:40:03.059 --> 00:40:03.960
I sincerely hope not.

995
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.019
But he doesn't thoroughgoingly lose that accent.

996
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:08.159
So we're talking about Tommy.

997
00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:13.559
And one of the ways, one of the, yeah, and I, look, I enjoy seeing

998
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.500
Tommy as a character, but I think, I love the way he plays it. very

999
00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:16.679
good.

1000
00:40:16.739 --> 00:40:18.599
It's terribly problematic though.

1001
00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:22.019
Like he seems to exist for 2 reasons in the plot.

1002
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:26.579
One is to be a puppy for the evil Buddhist to kick so that we know

1003
00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:27.719
how evil they are.

1004
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.159
So they're horrible to Tommy and so we can tell that they're

1005
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:32.579
evil.

1006
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.380
And both Sarah Jane and Mikey Yates use their feminine wiles on

1007
00:40:37.380 --> 00:40:37.739
him.

1008
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.880
Like they give him bits of jewellery in order to kind of placate

1009
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:42.119
him.

1010
00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:43.320
Sly favours.

1011
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:47.519
And that, you know, that leads up to him purloining the blue

1012
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:48.179
crystal.

1013
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:52.860
And then the other reason for him to exist is to show how the

1014
00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:54.960
power of a blue crystal on the mind.

1015
00:40:55.019 --> 00:41:00.840
But there is just something unpleasant and easy about that cure.

1016
00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:03.900
You know, he's someone with some kind of developmental disability

1017
00:41:03.900 --> 00:41:08.099
but he's magically cured and he's off to read, played in the

1018
00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:08.460
library.

1019
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:11.760
Yeah, I know, but watching it this time for the 1st time.

1020
00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:15.900
It made me uncomfortable just with the treatment of disability

1021
00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:18.539
that there's a hand wavy, easy fix to it.

1022
00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:20.760
It just seemed a bit disrespectful.

1023
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:25.980
When I was a kid, I went to one of the few schools in my area that

1024
00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:29.400
actually had mentally disabled students.

1025
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.099
And also before I started going to that school, um, my parents had

1026
00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:39.360
a um, a Nissan vanette, and would act...

1027
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:40.920
What's to appear as Sarah Sutton?

1028
00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:46.559
would actually participate in picking up some of these students

1029
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.039
from home and taking them to school.

1030
00:41:50.099 --> 00:41:52.079
So that was something their parents didn't have to worry about.

1031
00:41:52.139 --> 00:41:56.159
So I have always had. disabled people in my life.

1032
00:41:56.219 --> 00:41:58.139
So I remember seeing that as good.

1033
00:41:58.199 --> 00:41:59.460
And seeing that as something very positive.

1034
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:00.119
Okay.

1035
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.119
Well, they do the same with cancer in the final episode, don't

1036
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:03.300
they?

1037
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.000
The sex Machina of Doctor Who...

1038
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.159
Hand wave away. horrible radiation poisoning.

1039
00:42:08.219 --> 00:42:08.880
Yeah, yeah.

1040
00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:13.920
I mean, I especially like that that transformation, even though it

1041
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:19.559
is a magical transformation, it is not a magical cural for Tommy.

1042
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:24.480
Tommy is still not quite sure of what to do with what has happened

1043
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.239
to him and so seeks guidance on that.

1044
00:42:27.300 --> 00:42:30.840
It doesn't, it doesn't change him as a person.

1045
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:36.360
In a way it allows the person who has been inside him to come

1046
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:37.500
forward.

1047
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.519
And you know what?

1048
00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:39.900
Yes, it is problematic.

1049
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.639
But I think what's more problematic is that this is the show's 1st

1050
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.940
treatment of a character with a mental disability.

1051
00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:49.500
Yeah.

1052
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:52.139
So we have no precedent to compare it to.

1053
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:56.820
And the thing is, it's uncomfortable because when we see people

1054
00:42:56.820 --> 00:43:00.539
either patronising him or being mean to him, it kind of gets us

1055
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.920
thinking, what would we do in that situation?

1056
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:05.039
And it's kind of like, well, you know, we'd probably be like Sarah

1057
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:05.639
and Mike.

1058
00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:08.039
It's like, okay, well, they're patronising him. still the nice

1059
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:08.519
thing to do?

1060
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:11.460
I quite like that it doesn't give us a neat answer.

1061
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:12.179
I agree.

1062
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.820
And I liked that you could see the discomfiture, especially in

1063
00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:18.480
this slack of performance of sympathy, but finding it just as

1064
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.719
uncomfortable as she is with Tommy, as she was with Bilal and

1065
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:25.139
Alpha Centauri, not knowing how to deal with the unfamiliar, and

1066
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:29.159
it's actually her own vulnerability and weakness, as a person, not

1067
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.519
being completely integrated as a person, knowing how just to be

1068
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.440
herself, with someone who is different or other.

1069
00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:37.199
What I did like is watching it again is that I thought that

1070
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.500
Tommy's transformation is simply analogous to the theme of

1071
00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:42.000
Buddhist transformation in this.

1072
00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:46.079
Well, Choji is not surprised by it, and I guess he's got the idea

1073
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:47.519
of no self.

1074
00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:51.179
You know, that your person is in a sort of fixed point that the

1075
00:43:51.179 --> 00:43:54.900
things around us change, but we ourselves change that human beings

1076
00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:55.739
are a process.

1077
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.519
And he says, you know, when everything is new, then nothing is a

1078
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:04.139
surprise, because impermanence is an important aspect of Buddhist

1079
00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:04.619
teaching.

1080
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:09.659
So there's that sort of thread, but in the meantime, the doctor

1081
00:44:09.659 --> 00:44:13.260
and the brigadier are off, and I think pairing them together when

1082
00:44:13.260 --> 00:44:17.340
we don't have Katie is a great idea for the final story.

1083
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.519
They've gone to a lovely music hall, which is very cheaply

1084
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.519
realised with a corner of the set, 6 chairs.

1085
00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:25.860
With several of the people who later turn up in the monastery.

1086
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.900
Yeah, so the women are just sitting there.

1087
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:32.820
And they invite Cyril Sharp's home for some experimentation

1088
00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:33.719
followed by death.

1089
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.019
Usual nice night's entertainment.

1090
00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:38.159
And so hairdressing.

1091
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:40.139
That's such a funny...

1092
00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:41.340
Did you know it's a throwaway line?

1093
00:44:41.460 --> 00:44:43.619
That's actually one of John Levine's.

1094
00:44:43.739 --> 00:44:44.760
So he comes in...

1095
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:47.699
So, Doctor, you've gone in for a bit of hairdressing.

1096
00:44:47.699 --> 00:44:50.159
And then he apologises because the brigade is there.

1097
00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:52.920
Like, I didn't bring there, could of girls, Benton, and he sort of

1098
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:53.699
has topologies.

1099
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.619
It is really funny, but he's very sweet.

1100
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.920
I like the idea, though, that the doctors actually nicked that

1101
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.340
equipment from boss because it's the same.

1102
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:03.960
It is the same headset, isn't it?

1103
00:45:04.019 --> 00:45:05.280
It's Dr. Stevens headset.

1104
00:45:05.340 --> 00:45:08.460
So it must have found it in the ruins or something.

1105
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:12.599
I mean, it ties in with the theme that his his greed will be his

1106
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:13.079
undoing.

1107
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.139
Yeah, the old knicker. right.

1108
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:19.800
Yeah, he's constantly stealing things, isn't he?

1109
00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:20.639
It's a poacher.

1110
00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:22.320
He was the poacher all the time.

1111
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.639
Finding a glowing sandwich, I believe.

1112
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:29.219
One knee up.

1113
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:31.559
England.

1114
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:37.139
So Ben, of course, brings in the blue crystal and the Leonard.

1115
00:45:37.139 --> 00:45:38.099
Lovely cup of coffee.

1116
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:38.400
Yes.

1117
00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:38.940
Yeah.

1118
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.219
He really is the Katie in this story.

1119
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.440
He does speak in a lovely cut of coffee, doesn't he?

1120
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:45.059
He and Mrs. Peps, yeah.

1121
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.280
Although apparently Mrs. Peps hated coffee. you know that?

1122
00:45:47.340 --> 00:45:50.460
Well, also, it's debateable whether coffee had actually hit the

1123
00:45:50.460 --> 00:45:51.420
British Isles by that.

1124
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.219
Oh, no, it's mentioned in Pete's diary.

1125
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.320
He goes to coffee houses, but she didn't like it.

1126
00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:56.880
It doesn't mean she couldn't make it.

1127
00:45:56.940 --> 00:45:57.599
She preferred to.

1128
00:45:57.659 --> 00:45:59.820
I make good coffee and I can't.

1129
00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:01.739
We'd have never called you Mrs. Peps.

1130
00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:03.780
Well, you will start now.

1131
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:04.739
Not to my face.

1132
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:05.820
Not for that reason, though.

1133
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:07.500
Are we back to the car chase yet?

1134
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:08.639
Love the car chain.

1135
00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:09.900
Yeah, so we may as well.

1136
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:11.039
That's episode 2 isn't it?

1137
00:46:11.099 --> 00:46:12.780
Do you know it's 12 minutes long?

1138
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:13.380
Yes.

1139
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.599
It's so hard. an episode.

1140
00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:17.039
Terry Walsh is in it.

1141
00:46:17.099 --> 00:46:17.579
Hooray.

1142
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:18.179
He is too.

1143
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:19.679
Yes, he actually gets a line of dial.

1144
00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:20.880
He does get a line of dialogue.

1145
00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:23.699
He is buying a speedboat before Lupton pushes him into the water

1146
00:46:23.699 --> 00:46:25.679
and drives off and punches him in the face.

1147
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:27.960
Oh, wait, no, he zaps him.

1148
00:46:28.019 --> 00:46:29.460
He does zap him in.

1149
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:30.599
Yeah, and then he...

1150
00:46:30.659 --> 00:46:31.739
Yeah, throws him into the water.

1151
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:34.440
And then there's Stuart fell getting run over by poetry in a

1152
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:34.980
hovercraft.

1153
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:36.719
Which was decided on the day.

1154
00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:40.079
So they must have, that's just what Stuart Fell was wearing, I

1155
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:40.380
suppose.

1156
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:45.840
I think that that's actually a trenchant commentary on Pertweese

1157
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.099
attitude in general towards the oppressed masses that he'll just

1158
00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:51.480
run over them in a hovercraft.

1159
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:57.059
It's also a reference to live and let die, where Roger Moore just

1160
00:46:57.059 --> 00:47:01.320
pilots a speedboat over little bits of land to get away from his

1161
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.340
pursuers and then the owner of the hovercraft in conversation.

1162
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.179
The owner of the hovercraft is actually Mr. Hopkins, who arrives

1163
00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:12.840
with the hovercraft and gets zapped by Lupton. hes the actual guy

1164
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:13.440
who owns it.

1165
00:47:13.619 --> 00:47:19.260
And he doubles for per on the bits going up onto the bank and this

1166
00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:19.500
that.

1167
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.719
So that's not Terry Welsh in a horrible wig.

1168
00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:23.940
Michael Pinder in a horrible week.

1169
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.760
It's actually a bit sad that, you know, pertly wanted, always

1170
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:28.559
wanted this show to be so much bigger.

1171
00:47:28.619 --> 00:47:30.480
He kind of gets there in sea devils.

1172
00:47:30.539 --> 00:47:34.199
You can see how happy he is romping around. in his own Navy lark.

1173
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:35.699
With all that hardware and stuff.

1174
00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:37.139
With all that, he loves a bit of hardware.

1175
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.320
But, and in this one too, he gets his Roger Moore car chase, but

1176
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.320
you can see there's always that, it was always, I think, frustrated

1177
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.960
by the eventual scope of Doctor Who.

1178
00:47:46.019 --> 00:47:48.480
There's always a little bit, wanted to be a bit bigger than the

1179
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:49.260
screen would allow him.

1180
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:53.880
Did you hear about the accident during some of the gyroscope

1181
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:54.179
footage?

1182
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:54.780
No.

1183
00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:56.219
John Durf.

1184
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:57.480
The bit where John Durth steals.

1185
00:47:57.539 --> 00:47:59.099
That gyroscope.

1186
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.260
Yeah, the bit where Lupton steals the gyroscope.

1187
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:06.119
John Durth was approaching it, it fell over and disintegrated, and

1188
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:11.340
a piece of rotor cut his lapel on his jacket could have killed

1189
00:48:11.340 --> 00:48:11.699
him.

1190
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:12.480
Wow.

1191
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:18.119
They had, um, they had a backup gyroscope and, but he was

1192
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:23.159
naturally a bit, um, a bit wary about getting on it. you know

1193
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:24.239
still carried on.

1194
00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:27.059
But yeah, we could have lost John Durf, which was a Wallace

1195
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:27.900
helicopter.

1196
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.900
It was the wall. the same one used in, well, same type of one that

1197
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:32.639
was used in, you only live twice.

1198
00:48:32.699 --> 00:48:34.619
And Captain Wallace pilots.

1199
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:35.219
This is one as well.

1200
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.860
This apparently is the only one that's ever allowed to fly the

1201
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:38.340
damn thing.

1202
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:39.480
It's the same whirly.

1203
00:48:40.139 --> 00:48:41.159
It's Little Nelly.

1204
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:41.760
Little Nelly.

1205
00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:43.619
Later to appear...

1206
00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:44.940
It actually does break apart like that.

1207
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.719
Yeah, later next year, just the very next year to appear in the

1208
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:49.860
Rocky Horror picture show.

1209
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.420
Nell Campbell.

1210
00:48:51.420 --> 00:48:52.559
I guess.

1211
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:53.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1212
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:54.119
No, of course.

1213
00:48:54.179 --> 00:48:57.059
Sounding much like a small whining helicopter.

1214
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:01.860
It is a very silly car chase, but this whole season has been

1215
00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:04.860
Pertwee's greatest hits, and I think you can't finish the year

1216
00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:07.619
without having a car chase, and it is much better than the car

1217
00:49:07.619 --> 00:49:09.719
chase in invasion of the dinosaurs.

1218
00:49:09.780 --> 00:49:11.340
Well, that just goes nowhere.

1219
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:12.119
That's boring.

1220
00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:13.739
So we're on the planet of the spiders.

1221
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:18.539
Suddenly, it's realised beautifully with CSO. and as you describe

1222
00:49:18.539 --> 00:49:19.679
it's a Gypsy caravan.

1223
00:49:19.739 --> 00:49:20.519
The Rockies.

1224
00:49:20.579 --> 00:49:22.739
Yeah, sort of maces, isn't it?

1225
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.860
I've been there And, uh, and buttes.

1226
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:27.780
Are they really pictures of the Rockies?

1227
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:29.760
I thought that they were like, they looked like they were made out

1228
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.440
of Jabalai, you know, and.

1229
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.380
Well, you see, you've got 3 levels. the actors, then you've got

1230
00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:38.280
their Jabberite models, and then in the background, you've got the

1231
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.739
valleys in Colorado.

1232
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.860
Yeah, photographic flats, spot the difference between the three.

1233
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.679
Yeah, particularly the actors and the flat.

1234
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:49.440
I mean, it's kind of terrible, isn't it?

1235
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:51.780
Well, you know what?

1236
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:53.340
They're being ambitious.

1237
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.639
If you did it as a still shot, did a bit of Photoshop work on it.

1238
00:49:56.699 --> 00:49:59.940
Composite, it was like a dark room and you had your eyes.

1239
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:00.360
Yeah, exactly.

1240
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:00.659
Exactly.

1241
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:01.440
It'd look fantastic.

1242
00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:02.159
It looked fantastic.

1243
00:50:02.219 --> 00:50:03.300
I was going to say possible.

1244
00:50:04.019 --> 00:50:08.820
But at the same time, they quite wisely only decide to use it for

1245
00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:09.900
a few establishing shots.

1246
00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:15.420
There's a really lamentable shot where like they're pushing Sarah

1247
00:50:15.420 --> 00:50:18.360
off a cliff, I think, and it's all serious. there's so much

1248
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:19.079
fringing on that one.

1249
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:19.980
I don't know what went wrong.

1250
00:50:20.099 --> 00:50:22.920
CSO was always being asked to do slightly more than it could, but

1251
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:24.420
that's what's terrific about Doctor Who.

1252
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.280
It was always trying to push its own boundaries. not always

1253
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:27.840
successfully, but admirably.

1254
00:50:27.900 --> 00:50:31.079
There are some much more beautiful things going on here than just

1255
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.139
the visual ticks or even a few desultory performances.

1256
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.840
There's the whole notion, indeed, the 1st use of the term

1257
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:37.800
regeneration.

1258
00:50:37.860 --> 00:50:40.019
Is that not a Buddhist term in itself?

1259
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.179
Well, I mean, I don't know.

1260
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:46.320
Choji, when he talks about it, talks about, you know, the new man

1261
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.980
and the old man and that kind of thing, I kind of talked earlier

1262
00:50:49.980 --> 00:50:51.119
on about change.

1263
00:50:51.179 --> 00:50:52.739
Not a moment to say.

1264
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.780
Yes, my dear.

1265
00:50:55.619 --> 00:51:00.539
Yeah, so that does happen a little bit later on, doesn't it?

1266
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.659
When we get back from Metabelis.

1267
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:05.099
Yeah, it's the end of episode five.

1268
00:51:05.219 --> 00:51:05.699
Yeah.

1269
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.800
But, like, in the meantime, we're introduced to this sort of

1270
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.860
terrible village where everyone's kind of speaks with sort of

1271
00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:12.420
Welsh or mum said accents.

1272
00:51:12.539 --> 00:51:15.780
And this is something that I remember really well as a kid.

1273
00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:16.980
Do you remember this, Richard?

1274
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:18.719
Like, just the doctor's unconscious.

1275
00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:20.280
He has an exposition coma.

1276
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:21.719
Yay.

1277
00:51:21.780 --> 00:51:24.179
And he explains, he says, get the machine.

1278
00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:26.159
Go and get the wood planer out of it.

1279
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:28.440
It looks like a wood planer.

1280
00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:30.119
Ridiculous.

1281
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.340
Like all of that's really memorable.

1282
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.460
I just can't bring myself to criticise it because it's so much

1283
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:37.800
part of what I remember Doctor Who being is a key.

1284
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:40.440
It's so lovely pertly gets...

1285
00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:41.820
I mean, that's his last really good fight.

1286
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:45.179
He gets a bit of a fight in episode five, which isn't as good, but

1287
00:51:45.179 --> 00:51:49.920
that fight in episode 3 is really good because they're very, very

1288
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:54.300
careful to use pertly for all the front-on shots and then only use

1289
00:51:54.300 --> 00:51:55.079
Walsh for the background.

1290
00:51:55.139 --> 00:51:56.519
Walsh has a new win.

1291
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.380
Walsh has a new win.

1292
00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:58.920
Yeah, yeah.

1293
00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:02.940
So before it was kind of like this sort of toilet brush that was

1294
00:52:02.940 --> 00:52:05.219
based on his 1970s hair.

1295
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.519
And so you could always tell that it was Terry Welsh because it

1296
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:10.320
looked nothing like Pursuit.

1297
00:52:10.380 --> 00:52:12.659
But they've given him a sort of bouffont.

1298
00:52:12.659 --> 00:52:14.760
Yeah. slightly longer at the back.

1299
00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:16.920
Yeah, so it actually looks like him.

1300
00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:20.880
And like I just thought, 0 my god, he's got a new wig, but it

1301
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.019
actually turns out to be the case.

1302
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:23.340
Yes, it is, it is.

1303
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:23.940
It a new week.

1304
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:25.679
And, you know, that fight is so well done.

1305
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.960
And the doctor's trying to claw back to the Titus and gets

1306
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.320
clobbered and then, you know, he has his exposition coma.

1307
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:34.619
And, okay, yeah, Pert was great in it, but I think it's just

1308
00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:39.059
another chance for Liz Slade and to shine because, you know, she's

1309
00:52:39.059 --> 00:52:39.840
doing all that.

1310
00:52:40.139 --> 00:52:40.860
Where's the key?

1311
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:42.119
Where's the key?

1312
00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:43.920
And she goes out bravely again.

1313
00:52:43.980 --> 00:52:45.179
She goes up the perfume.

1314
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:48.239
We've got the blue moonlight of Metabolus 3.

1315
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:52.619
And yeah, she gets caught and it's up to Mike Gambit to go out and

1316
00:52:52.619 --> 00:52:52.860
get it.

1317
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:56.639
Yes, we've got Gareth Hunt before he was Mike Gambit.

1318
00:52:56.699 --> 00:52:57.480
Good.

1319
00:52:57.539 --> 00:52:59.699
Well, the lines are pretty awful.

1320
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.739
He's perfectly serviceable.

1321
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:03.840
I mean, you know, he has to have. heard that.

1322
00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:08.699
He has to have a bit of Biffo with his brother, Tuar, played by

1323
00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:09.840
Ralph Alice.

1324
00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:13.199
He's pretty dreadful real, if anyone's going to get the Jimmy

1325
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:13.800
Award.

1326
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:17.519
Todd adores him and as Rod tends to say.

1327
00:53:17.579 --> 00:53:19.260
Twinkles, doesn't he, in a twinkish way?

1328
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.840
And as Rod tends to say in these moments.

1329
00:53:21.900 --> 00:53:24.480
When they're on screen, when they finish having their

1330
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:25.019
conversation.

1331
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:26.099
He says, now kiss.

1332
00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:31.920
Yeah, I think all that stuff in the village with Perpee and Sarah

1333
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.019
is, you know, they're really good.

1334
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:36.300
The 3 younger metabolians are very good.

1335
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:37.320
Sabor is very good.

1336
00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:39.300
Look, Jenny Laird is Nesca.

1337
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.639
There's a reason I named it water.

1338
00:53:41.699 --> 00:53:43.260
It doesn't sound like any of her own family.

1339
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.380
It's still trucked in from Rado.

1340
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:49.679
All 3 all 3 boys have the west country accent.

1341
00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:53.880
Their sister, Rager. speaks with RP.

1342
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:57.059
Like her mother, you know, it's kind of like in...

1343
00:53:57.059 --> 00:53:58.199
They're from South Metabolist.

1344
00:53:58.260 --> 00:54:00.360
Yeah, yeah, from the nice county.

1345
00:54:00.420 --> 00:54:02.159
It's a nice village.

1346
00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:04.320
It was totally destroyed because they were just...

1347
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:07.260
That was so unutterably obnoxious.

1348
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.780
It wasn't spiders at all.

1349
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:11.880
No, I hardly remember them at all.

1350
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.059
We haven't got onto the what's really great about this and apart

1351
00:54:15.059 --> 00:54:18.239
from the allegories, which I really love, and I really love Campo

1352
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:19.619
and I really love the way it's set up.

1353
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:20.880
It feels so cold.

1354
00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:24.059
It feels so dark and John Durth, that can't be his real name.

1355
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:25.380
It just suits them too well.

1356
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:29.280
Those scenes, every bit as potent as I remember them at that very

1357
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:29.880
early.

1358
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:34.920
The way he explains to Barnes why he's come and what he wants.

1359
00:54:34.980 --> 00:54:37.260
It's really good, isn't it?

1360
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:38.460
It's Willie Lowman.

1361
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:39.539
Death of a salesman.

1362
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:40.320
Arthur Miller.

1363
00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:43.500
I had a rotten life and every man in the audience would have said

1364
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:44.340
yeah, yeah, we know this story.

1365
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.079
And most people watching him go, you know what?

1366
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:46.500
Yeah.

1367
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:47.579
He's just a little man.

1368
00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:49.800
Doing the same opportunity.

1369
00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:51.000
Maybe I'd do the same thing.

1370
00:54:51.059 --> 00:54:51.480
Yeah.

1371
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:53.280
I like that. and he's good.

1372
00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:55.679
He's smart, like he outwits the spider.

1373
00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:58.679
He gives as good as he gets, he conspires with her.

1374
00:54:58.739 --> 00:55:00.840
She pretty quickly recognises him as an equal.

1375
00:55:00.900 --> 00:55:05.519
Like he kind of has a tragic end because he's grown to despise the

1376
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:08.940
spiders just as he despises all of the people around him.

1377
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.460
And so he threatens them and they just kill him.

1378
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:15.119
Is he really one of the most sympathetic villains we've ever had

1379
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:15.960
in Doctor Who, though?

1380
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:16.980
No, he's repulsive.

1381
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.079
He looks awful.

1382
00:55:19.139 --> 00:55:20.820
He's kind of, he's got...

1383
00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:21.480
Yeah, sure.

1384
00:55:21.539 --> 00:55:22.980
He's run down.

1385
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:24.659
I said sympathy, though.

1386
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:26.579
So, you know, with compassion for him.

1387
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.760
We, and this story is about Buddhist compassion.

1388
00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:32.699
But really all we're seeing is someone who's battling with his ego

1389
00:55:32.699 --> 00:55:35.219
and not being able to see that transcending his circumstances.

1390
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.079
There are 2 ways of doing it.

1391
00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:39.480
You actually change yourself and your outlook in how you look at

1392
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:39.780
the world.

1393
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:43.860
Or you implode over the failures and losses that your own ego

1394
00:55:43.860 --> 00:55:45.119
hasn't been able to achieve.

1395
00:55:45.179 --> 00:55:46.980
So he's the ego-bound earth base.

1396
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:50.519
Yeah, yeah. human person in this one who just hasn't achieved

1397
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:51.179
transcendence.

1398
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:56.340
But are we supposed to then have sympathy for his fellow monastery

1399
00:55:56.340 --> 00:55:57.119
goers?

1400
00:55:57.179 --> 00:55:58.380
Because I don't.

1401
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:00.719
I've actually got more sympathy for John Durth's character for

1402
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:04.139
Lupton than I do for any of his other, so, you know, blokes in

1403
00:56:04.139 --> 00:56:04.559
the...

1404
00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:06.840
I don't care that he's going off and nobody likes the spiders.

1405
00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:09.420
So I don't mind at all that he's trying to get power from the

1406
00:56:09.420 --> 00:56:09.960
spiders.

1407
00:56:10.019 --> 00:56:12.480
You know who I think we're meant to have sympathy for on the other

1408
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:13.079
side of that coin?

1409
00:56:13.139 --> 00:56:14.099
It's Mikey Yates.

1410
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:15.059
Very much so.

1411
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:18.780
Because Lupton's cronies all sit around going, what are we going

1412
00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:19.019
to do?

1413
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:19.679
What are we going to do?

1414
00:56:19.739 --> 00:56:20.280
What are we going to do?

1415
00:56:20.340 --> 00:56:22.800
You know, what am I going to do?

1416
00:56:22.860 --> 00:56:24.719
I can't talk to the police.

1417
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:28.199
But Mike comes in and they knock him out because it needs to be

1418
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:29.280
postponed for an episode.

1419
00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:32.940
Mike comes in and says, well, we try to get them back.

1420
00:56:33.059 --> 00:56:35.340
And they're like what's in it for you?

1421
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:36.599
He's like, my friends are there too.

1422
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:39.000
I know it's dangerous, but I need to help them.

1423
00:56:39.059 --> 00:56:42.300
And that is Mike giving up his ego.

1424
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.119
He's saying, you know, yes, we might die.

1425
00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:46.199
We might be in danger.

1426
00:56:46.260 --> 00:56:48.900
But I want the doctor and Sarah Jane back.

1427
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:52.980
And he actually says, the doctor and Sarah, I want them back and

1428
00:56:52.980 --> 00:56:54.840
it's like, you've hardly known Sarah.

1429
00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:58.199
And it just adds to that immediate chemistry they had earlier.

1430
00:56:58.260 --> 00:57:00.719
And I think this is Richard Franklin's best performance. think

1431
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:01.440
it's his finest style.

1432
00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:03.719
They actually had great chemistry in episode one as well.

1433
00:57:03.780 --> 00:57:05.219
Like, you notice they're really...

1434
00:57:05.219 --> 00:57:07.019
I love seeing the tractor, I remember.

1435
00:57:07.019 --> 00:57:08.280
It's kind of like 2 young males.

1436
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:09.300
Sarah's forgiven him.

1437
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:10.380
No, very much so.

1438
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:13.019
She's got no reason not to forgive me really. wasn't.

1439
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:14.460
No, she was.

1440
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:16.019
She actually was affected by this.

1441
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:16.739
Yeah, yeah.

1442
00:57:16.739 --> 00:57:18.000
It was threatening much so.

1443
00:57:18.059 --> 00:57:20.280
But yeah, I think she was so much but she was.

1444
00:57:20.340 --> 00:57:22.199
I think she realises he was misguided.

1445
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:23.760
But it's interesting.

1446
00:57:23.820 --> 00:57:28.440
The 2 male leads, young male protagonists in this, both kind of

1447
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:29.340
it's the same role, really.

1448
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.280
It's Gareth Hunt and Mike Yates.

1449
00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:34.619
And you're able to put them together, but then they would have

1450
00:57:34.619 --> 00:57:35.579
been called Mike Hunt.

1451
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.320
So probably would never have happened.

1452
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:41.340
So maybe Gareth Hunt should get my...

1453
00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:42.659
Jenny Led.

1454
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:44.639
Why wouldn't they be called Gareth Yates anyway?

1455
00:57:44.820 --> 00:57:48.840
So you talk about the monastery guys who have spiders on their

1456
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:53.099
back, but of course the big, amazing scene that we really remember

1457
00:57:53.099 --> 00:57:56.760
is Sarah with the spider on her back.

1458
00:57:56.820 --> 00:57:58.739
And so they're all in the line.

1459
00:57:58.739 --> 00:58:00.059
It's an action figure of that, don't you?

1460
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:01.500
It's wonderful, isn't it?

1461
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:05.280
They're in the larder, you know, like they're being stored Sabor

1462
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:09.599
and Sarah in that sort of web thing that sort of keeps them

1463
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:10.619
prisoner.

1464
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.679
Sarah gets taken away and negotiates with the queen's spider.

1465
00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:14.760
I mean, Akia shelves.

1466
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:15.780
Yes, they are.

1467
00:58:15.900 --> 00:58:18.780
And so the queen ends up on her back.

1468
00:58:18.780 --> 00:58:22.199
And then at that time he's about the same time.

1469
00:58:22.260 --> 00:58:26.340
The doctor gets to speak to the great one.

1470
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.500
And that scene with the great one.

1471
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.599
I mean, it's spectacular, isn't it?

1472
00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:32.219
It really is sad. lovely set.

1473
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:33.000
It looks gorgeous.

1474
00:58:33.059 --> 00:58:33.900
It's beautiful.

1475
00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:35.219
We don't even see her too.

1476
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.579
No, we don't in that one when she when she turns about and you do

1477
00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:40.079
and pertly really carries it off.

1478
00:58:40.139 --> 00:58:43.679
And it's surprising because you don't actually get to see him to

1479
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:45.960
stretch himself really in this role, do you?

1480
00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:46.679
You really don't.

1481
00:58:46.739 --> 00:58:47.820
He has lovely quiet moments.

1482
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.039
But he looks honestly frightened.

1483
00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:53.280
And I can tell you as a seven-year-old boy, I felt it as well. was

1484
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:53.760
convincing.

1485
00:58:53.820 --> 00:58:57.000
The very 1st time, the doctor, and this is how good pertly is when

1486
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:58.980
he's rallied, shows fear.

1487
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:03.179
And he actually is terrified of the great one and she does cause

1488
00:59:03.179 --> 00:59:06.900
him to turn around and he does pull the face and he's gurning and

1489
00:59:06.900 --> 00:59:08.280
it's absolutely palpable.

1490
00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:10.980
You've never felt fear before, doctor, have you?

1491
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:14.400
Xander always says that Pertuy is at his best when he's on the

1492
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:16.679
back for it when he's not in control of a scene.

1493
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:19.739
Yeah, he's going through a lot of pain in this one too.

1494
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:20.940
His back had been causing problems.

1495
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.860
Did you know who took over?

1496
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.920
Because it was usually Delgado or Katie that went into his

1497
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.960
dressing room and did his back massage.

1498
00:59:28.019 --> 00:59:32.039
Terry Walsh took over. and it was Terry giving in, giving him the

1499
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:32.699
back rubs.

1500
00:59:32.699 --> 00:59:36.780
And they were filming at Marchant. you know, when they were, again

1501
00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:40.260
that moment it came again when once more Terry Walsh was giving

1502
00:59:40.260 --> 00:59:42.480
their back massage and there was a knock on the door and it was

1503
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:44.699
actually a field marshal or some such.

1504
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.280
She said, my god, pertly so puffed her, because he did answer the

1505
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:49.739
door again in rollers and of course.

1506
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:53.579
And how you could wear a corset and be getting a...

1507
00:59:54.179 --> 00:59:57.840
Let's be kind to Pertz, because it was actually quite common for

1508
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.960
men when filming anyway, too, of course, it's Pat McNee or them

1509
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:02.039
all throughout the new.

1510
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:02.639
Oh, God, yes.

1511
01:00:02.699 --> 01:00:03.420
And couldn't you tell?

1512
01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:07.619
Yeah, the Vivian Lee syndrome.

1513
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.599
It wasn't just Berley.

1514
01:00:09.659 --> 01:00:11.940
I'm never going to be able to watch season 11 again.

1515
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:13.079
It's quite obvious.

1516
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.320
When he's standing around in the corridors, the line of his jacket

1517
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.340
is just so tight.

1518
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:19.860
Yeah, I did notice and I'm like, wow, he's still really thin

1519
01:00:19.860 --> 01:00:20.099
here.

1520
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:24.480
No, it's of course. outrageous.

1521
01:00:24.539 --> 01:00:25.739
Fantastic bus.

1522
01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:27.239
Why didn't anyone finish it?

1523
01:00:27.900 --> 01:00:30.659
Why didn't anyone suggest a corset for Colin in season 23?

1524
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:31.679
think that was one.

1525
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:32.880
Okay, right.

1526
01:00:32.940 --> 01:00:34.260
Can't wait for that one.

1527
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:35.039
I told you're doing this.

1528
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.380
This is a really major point in Doctor Who.

1529
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:38.280
We've never seen it.

1530
01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:40.440
We hadn't seen a proper regeneration like this before.

1531
01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:42.360
Well, we haven't seen a regeneration, have we?

1532
01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:44.280
And so at all, really.

1533
01:00:44.340 --> 01:00:49.199
I mean, we don't get any explanation for what happened to Harnal.

1534
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:50.159
No, it's magical.

1535
01:00:50.219 --> 01:00:53.820
Yeah, and they and they go out of their way because Troughton's

1536
01:00:53.820 --> 01:00:57.659
being shifty and unreliable. not supposed to know it.

1537
01:00:57.659 --> 01:00:59.219
It's the doctor for that 1st episode.

1538
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:03.000
It's only Polly that actually carries the audience so long. takes

1539
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:04.320
our hand for the small ones.

1540
01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:05.880
But I'm with Ben.

1541
01:01:05.940 --> 01:01:07.380
I'm not convinced it's the doctor.

1542
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.000
Would the doctor do this with the doctor?

1543
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:12.059
And then the doctor's sentenced to have his appearance change.

1544
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:14.340
Like they don't call it his regeneration.

1545
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:15.539
Which is why I never.

1546
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:16.019
Yeah, exactly.

1547
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.619
I don't see that as a Well, we know it's a regeneration because of

1548
01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:21.179
Spearhead, but it's...

1549
01:01:21.179 --> 01:01:24.360
No, it's called his he's going to change his appearance and begin

1550
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:25.019
his exile.

1551
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:29.039
And so here we get the explanation, which is when a Time Lord's

1552
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:33.599
body reaches crisis or when the actor playing him asks for too

1553
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:34.260
much money.

1554
01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:40.079
Every cell in his body sort of changes and he becomes a completely

1555
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:45.000
new person and so Choji explains it and then helpfully

1556
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.500
demonstrates it for all of us at home as well.

1557
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.800
But before that we get, we get the scene with Sarah with the

1558
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.599
spider on her back, which Donna rips off shamelessly in turn left

1559
01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.039
with the beetle on her back.

1560
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:05.880
But the doctor is being controlled by the great one just as much

1561
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:08.760
as Sarah is being controlled by the queen.

1562
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:11.940
And I think Canpo says, you know, not all spiders are on the

1563
01:02:11.940 --> 01:02:12.539
back.

1564
01:02:12.659 --> 01:02:16.380
And on one level, that's about the great one.

1565
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:16.980
Do you know what I mean?

1566
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.500
The great one isn't on the doctor's back, but she's controlling

1567
01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:22.679
him every bit as much as Sarah was being controlled.

1568
01:02:22.739 --> 01:02:26.099
But then it's about his greed and his thirst for knowledge.

1569
01:02:26.099 --> 01:02:28.079
And that's the other thing as well.

1570
01:02:28.139 --> 01:02:32.280
That the spider represents greed or thirst.

1571
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:36.539
She even uses the word thirst to describe a desire for the

1572
01:02:36.539 --> 01:02:37.079
crystal.

1573
01:02:37.139 --> 01:02:40.199
And her whole... very Sydney, isn't it, really?

1574
01:02:41.699 --> 01:02:46.260
But that word 1st is, you know, like a technical term in Buddhism

1575
01:02:46.260 --> 01:02:50.699
Tanha, which is the name of Martin Kloon's mother in snake dance

1576
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:55.559
is the word for thirst, and it's that craving, that desire, that

1577
01:02:55.559 --> 01:03:01.199
clinging, which Buddhism talks about, and she exemplifies it.

1578
01:03:01.260 --> 01:03:02.639
She's all about the ego.

1579
01:03:02.699 --> 01:03:06.539
She's created a giant replica of her own brain.

1580
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.480
Like she's completely obsessed with herself.

1581
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.840
Like this podcast, like the Pertwee era.

1582
01:03:12.900 --> 01:03:15.840
And it's that's what ends up destroying her.

1583
01:03:15.900 --> 01:03:21.059
And it's a great scene, that final scene with Pertwee, begging the

1584
01:03:21.059 --> 01:03:24.840
great one, not for his life, but for hers, you know.

1585
01:03:24.900 --> 01:03:25.619
Yes.

1586
01:03:25.619 --> 01:03:28.679
He's really terribly heroic.

1587
01:03:28.739 --> 01:03:33.300
And I like that our last proper scene of Pertui.

1588
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.400
He's terribly small.

1589
01:03:35.460 --> 01:03:37.860
He's much smaller than the thing he's trying to confront.

1590
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:42.900
He's not being obnoxious, you know, he's not trying to score

1591
01:03:42.900 --> 01:03:43.559
points.

1592
01:03:43.619 --> 01:03:45.119
He's not trying to trick anyone.

1593
01:03:45.179 --> 01:03:49.320
He's just very straightforwardly trying to save the villain's

1594
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:49.619
life.

1595
01:03:49.739 --> 01:03:56.400
And he's gone back there to see her after giving up any idea that

1596
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:58.920
he's going to use the crystal to solve the problem.

1597
01:03:58.980 --> 01:04:02.340
He's gone back to let the problem solve itself.

1598
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:06.179
He's giving up the idea of agency, he's giving up the idea of

1599
01:04:06.179 --> 01:04:08.940
control and he's just going to let things play out.

1600
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:15.480
It's very powerful for someone who, for a character who has always

1601
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.619
been so determined, not just to be a man of physical action, but

1602
01:04:19.619 --> 01:04:22.320
to be a man always moving forward, not to wait and do nothing.

1603
01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:27.780
And yeah, it's very, it's very affecting when he makes the final

1604
01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:29.400
decision to go back and do it.

1605
01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:34.500
And also when he acknowledges that he is responsible for this

1606
01:04:34.500 --> 01:04:35.039
situation.

1607
01:04:35.099 --> 01:04:38.760
And it's not spoken, but he's not just responsible for the great

1608
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.519
one hunting the crystalline, the spiders coming to earth.

1609
01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:42.719
He's not just responsible for that.

1610
01:04:42.780 --> 01:04:44.820
He's responsible for Professor Clegg's death.

1611
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:45.780
Very much.

1612
01:04:45.780 --> 01:04:46.500
At the beginning.

1613
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:47.880
Yeah, I mean, it's easy to forget that.

1614
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:50.579
Yeah, I think the story should have played that up a little bit

1615
01:04:50.579 --> 01:04:51.119
more too.

1616
01:04:51.179 --> 01:04:54.239
There is a, you know, like he tries to sacrifice himself in

1617
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:55.860
episode 2 by looking at the crystal.

1618
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:58.559
You know, he risked his own life because he's responsible for

1619
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:00.420
Cyril Shapp's death.

1620
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:03.420
But it would have been nice, I think, that for this to be a kind

1621
01:05:03.420 --> 01:05:06.659
of payment for that negligence as well.

1622
01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:11.579
I guess it is an example of his thirst for knowledge causing

1623
01:05:11.579 --> 01:05:13.380
actual harm to someone.

1624
01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:14.039
Yes.

1625
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.619
Because it is identified as his thirst for knowledge that's the

1626
01:05:16.619 --> 01:05:16.980
problem.

1627
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.980
It would have been nice, I think, to see it foregrounded a bit

1628
01:05:19.980 --> 01:05:21.900
more, or that link made more explicit.

1629
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:27.780
And I mean, it does also throw back to earlier examples in the per

1630
01:05:27.780 --> 01:05:31.139
era, such as, for instance, when he chucks the axonite in the

1631
01:05:31.139 --> 01:05:33.960
particle accelerator, even though he's been repeatedly told not

1632
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:34.320
to.

1633
01:05:34.380 --> 01:05:38.340
And when Windsor tries to stop him, Winces killed and the doctor

1634
01:05:38.340 --> 01:05:41.460
actually makes everything worse because the Axons realise they're

1635
01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:43.739
onto them and they need to advance their plans.

1636
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.820
And that's one of the other scenes where the 3rd doctor is truly

1637
01:05:47.820 --> 01:05:48.179
scared.

1638
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:52.320
You know, he stumbles over his words, which he never does.

1639
01:05:52.380 --> 01:05:55.380
It just comes back to something, I know Nathan, you and I have

1640
01:05:55.380 --> 01:05:58.260
been discussing since season 8. does Pertwe's character evolve.

1641
01:05:58.320 --> 01:05:59.400
What do you think?

1642
01:05:59.460 --> 01:06:00.840
No, I think he does.

1643
01:06:00.900 --> 01:06:01.860
I really do.

1644
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:06.360
And I think it starts in season eight, but it really sort of fully

1645
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:14.460
kicks in in season 9 and he's obnoxious in season 7 repeatedly

1646
01:06:14.460 --> 01:06:17.400
even in as late as the demons in season eight.

1647
01:06:17.460 --> 01:06:21.719
He's being unnecessarily unpleasant to people and getting their

1648
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:23.760
backs up and preventing them from helping him.

1649
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.239
And he does mellow and by season 11.

1650
01:06:27.539 --> 01:06:31.199
You know, there's a smile. you know, he does a little bit of

1651
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:32.760
comedy, which is quite nice.

1652
01:06:32.820 --> 01:06:38.820
He's still very contained and very vertical and very kind of

1653
01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:39.659
stiff.

1654
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:48.480
And I don't think he's as compelling to watch as, perhaps spoiler

1655
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.519
alert, his successor is.

1656
01:06:50.579 --> 01:06:58.079
But, But he is he is quite likeable and I don't think I was wrong

1657
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:01.800
as a 10 year old to think he was a pretty good doctor, you know, in

1658
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:04.380
the bits of season 11 that I actually saw.

1659
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:07.380
It couldn't be more.

1660
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:08.099
Is it Michael?

1661
01:07:08.219 --> 01:07:09.960
I couldn't say more than that.

1662
01:07:10.019 --> 01:07:14.219
I loved him as a boy and I came to, you know, sway from that

1663
01:07:14.219 --> 01:07:17.880
opinion, and I think there are certainly stories in the middle, the

1664
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:20.940
middle 8 of his tenure where he doesn't quite achieve that, but

1665
01:07:20.940 --> 01:07:21.900
1st and lasts.

1666
01:07:22.019 --> 01:07:27.000
Maybe I'm one of the few I really like season 7 and even with some

1667
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:28.199
of the pitfalls.

1668
01:07:28.260 --> 01:07:29.400
I really love season 11.

1669
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:32.039
And it's the girls that carry it along.

1670
01:07:32.099 --> 01:07:35.519
I think Pertwee has come to realise again that he is part of an

1671
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:40.980
ensemble cast and that he's only at his best when he's kind of

1672
01:07:40.980 --> 01:07:45.780
playing 2nd fiddle to the woman who's actually propelling it along

1673
01:07:45.780 --> 01:07:49.920
which is a very avengers scenario and part of the precept of what

1674
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:52.679
the Pertwee era was going to be about, in fact, borrowing from

1675
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:54.420
those styles of performance.

1676
01:07:54.480 --> 01:08:00.420
The female guest cast of this season are even more varied than the

1677
01:08:00.420 --> 01:08:01.800
ones we saw last season.

1678
01:08:01.860 --> 01:08:06.000
So we have a lady of a castle and a serving wench.

1679
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:09.659
We have the mother of a new community.

1680
01:08:09.659 --> 01:08:13.079
And even though she's talking about world peace and everything, She

1681
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.599
actually seems to be quite a nasty piece of work.

1682
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:19.319
I think it does fall down a bit in depth to the Daleks.

1683
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.319
Or the Queen of the Spiders and Mikey Yates.

1684
01:08:23.220 --> 01:08:25.920
You know, we get Queen Valera.

1685
01:08:25.979 --> 01:08:28.920
You know, it's debateable how well that character works, but the

1686
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:29.880
whole script is a mess.

1687
01:08:29.939 --> 01:08:31.020
I think Nina Thomas.

1688
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:34.500
Nina Thomas does an excellent job with some car material. how much

1689
01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:36.300
she looks like Cody Manning in that story.

1690
01:08:36.420 --> 01:08:39.960
I think there might be something more going on I think she looks

1691
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:40.560
like a father.

1692
01:08:40.619 --> 01:08:42.720
I mean, she looks like her father and her mother.

1693
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:47.460
Apparently, though, something I forgot to mention...

1694
01:08:47.460 --> 01:08:49.680
A weird, a weird genetic quirk.

1695
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:55.260
Apparently, this is according to John Pertie's autobiography.

1696
01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:56.640
I am the doctor. forgot to mention this.

1697
01:08:56.699 --> 01:09:00.119
John Pert, we said, you know, in all my career, I've always been a

1698
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.300
very welcoming actor, very often with Katie, Katie might say to me

1699
01:09:03.300 --> 01:09:05.939
oh, John, I think maybe you should try this with that line and I'd

1700
01:09:05.939 --> 01:09:07.260
be very glad to receive that.

1701
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:08.579
That how you got to work as an actor.

1702
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:12.479
He said, the one actor that I once said to, oh, you might consider

1703
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:13.199
trying this.

1704
01:09:13.260 --> 01:09:15.659
And they had a very bad reaction with Nina Thomas.

1705
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:16.859
She apparently...

1706
01:09:16.859 --> 01:09:19.140
So you might try this with a lisp, do you?

1707
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.300
No one on this show talks like that.

1708
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:24.600
He says I don't know what it was, but, you know, given that he'd

1709
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:26.579
been working on Doctor Who so long, It wouldn't surprise me if it

1710
01:09:26.579 --> 01:09:28.979
was something like, oh, if you stand like that, you know, you

1711
01:09:28.979 --> 01:09:30.119
don't get a very good profile.

1712
01:09:30.180 --> 01:09:31.859
Apparently she didn't react very well.

1713
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:33.539
I thought she gave a very good performance.

1714
01:09:33.659 --> 01:09:34.500
Oh, she's terrific.

1715
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:36.000
I wonder what that, wonder what that line was.

1716
01:09:36.060 --> 01:09:39.840
And Rager, it's a very, she's a very small part.

1717
01:09:39.899 --> 01:09:42.600
She's one of the daughters of King Lear.

1718
01:09:42.659 --> 01:09:43.920
Reagan.

1719
01:09:43.979 --> 01:09:44.460
Yeah, yeah.

1720
01:09:44.579 --> 01:09:46.199
Gonorrhoeal.

1721
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.640
She's the sister of Tua and Arak.

1722
01:09:50.699 --> 01:09:53.039
She's got a very small part, but I think she does very well in

1723
01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:53.340
it.

1724
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:57.300
And of course, you have the, all the, all the spiders are female

1725
01:09:57.300 --> 01:09:57.960
voices.

1726
01:09:58.020 --> 01:09:59.039
They look so good.

1727
01:09:59.100 --> 01:10:01.739
And isn't it clever that they're women and now you've got all of

1728
01:10:01.739 --> 01:10:05.159
that misogyny and the fear of female sexuality thrown into that as

1729
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:05.399
well.

1730
01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:07.979
You know, the original spider, not Boris.

1731
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:09.060
I think it was called Max.

1732
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:10.199
Boris is the one that walks.

1733
01:10:10.260 --> 01:10:12.840
But the Max Spider was so scary, Barry, let's play.

1734
01:10:12.899 --> 01:10:13.920
We can't have that on television.

1735
01:10:13.979 --> 01:10:15.479
We won't be able to get it through it.

1736
01:10:15.539 --> 01:10:18.779
But I think these ones are beautiful and they really have it, the

1737
01:10:18.779 --> 01:10:19.739
way they would twitch along.

1738
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:21.600
Yeah, is lovely when you were allowed.

1739
01:10:21.659 --> 01:10:23.460
The queen spider is like the rod one.

1740
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:24.420
She has a rod.

1741
01:10:24.420 --> 01:10:27.359
And Q Mike Yates, yeah.

1742
01:10:27.420 --> 01:10:27.899
Yeah, yeah.

1743
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:28.500
And she's great.

1744
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:30.180
She's got articulated legs.

1745
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:31.920
Yeah, she's the great one as well.

1746
01:10:31.979 --> 01:10:33.479
It's the same...

1747
01:10:33.539 --> 01:10:36.479
The others are kind of wobbling, kind of wobbling puppets.

1748
01:10:36.539 --> 01:10:38.039
I love that they have little slippery dips.

1749
01:10:38.100 --> 01:10:41.159
They get around their little city catacombs on these gorgeous

1750
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:41.699
little things.

1751
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:44.340
I thought they just called one of those the guards over and just

1752
01:10:44.340 --> 01:10:46.500
said, come over here and then they jumped on his back and they

1753
01:10:46.500 --> 01:10:46.920
would go.

1754
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:48.239
They've got cat runs or something.

1755
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:49.260
Yeah, that's what I mean.

1756
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:51.420
Did you know that little slippy dips everywhere?

1757
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:53.819
At the beginning of episode four?

1758
01:10:53.819 --> 01:10:56.699
After the doctor's been knocked out in the queen spiders saying

1759
01:10:56.699 --> 01:10:58.800
you know, we must pretend to the city.

1760
01:10:58.859 --> 01:11:01.500
There is there is a metabolum.

1761
01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:06.000
There is a metabolian human behind her played by Ian Scones, and

1762
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.699
you can see his trouser leg moving because he's got his hand in

1763
01:11:08.699 --> 01:11:09.119
his pocket.

1764
01:11:09.180 --> 01:11:10.439
He's operating her strings.

1765
01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:12.300
Oh, that's what he told them.

1766
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:14.220
He's operating for strings.

1767
01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:16.920
His trousers are moving at about the knee.

1768
01:11:16.979 --> 01:11:18.779
If you check it out, he said, hello.

1769
01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:21.420
Actually, imagine England background performance are rather

1770
01:11:21.420 --> 01:11:25.319
interesting because when the doctor arrives and kneels to speak to

1771
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.739
the most noble queen, there's a woman behind him, who sort of

1772
01:11:28.739 --> 01:11:29.399
checks him out.

1773
01:11:29.460 --> 01:11:31.199
Oh, who's this new chat?

1774
01:11:31.260 --> 01:11:32.640
She's fabulous.

1775
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:36.359
No one knows her name. pert in that too.

1776
01:11:36.420 --> 01:11:41.100
Because, you know, again, it's him not being obnoxious and, you

1777
01:11:41.100 --> 01:11:42.300
know, not being oppositional.

1778
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:45.840
He kind of goes, oh, all right, you know, okay, I'll kneel and he

1779
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:47.520
nails and he's got a smile on his face.

1780
01:11:47.579 --> 01:11:51.119
And he does the whole noble queen thing while smirking.

1781
01:11:51.180 --> 01:11:52.500
I really like it.

1782
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:56.340
You know, like it's a sort of warm and lighthearted bit of

1783
01:11:56.340 --> 01:11:56.640
performance.

1784
01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:00.060
Before we move on to the ending, Todd has another question.

1785
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:05.340
Nathan, your favourite writer, Robert Sloman, is back.

1786
01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:08.340
Has he achieved gold?

1787
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:10.260
Or is it fool's gold?

1788
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:11.460
No.

1789
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:12.899
Absolutely he has.

1790
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:13.739
He's always been good.

1791
01:12:13.979 --> 01:12:16.319
It's other people mucking it up.

1792
01:12:16.380 --> 01:12:18.659
No, I think his basic story premises.

1793
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:22.680
And we've seen how much in the last 2 seasons, those stories are

1794
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:24.359
getting mucked around by other people.

1795
01:12:24.420 --> 01:12:27.420
We're getting really back up to the 80s. present a story.

1796
01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:28.500
Look what happened to Mac Hulk.

1797
01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:30.600
That story is not very much of what he originally submitted.

1798
01:12:30.659 --> 01:12:32.159
I think Sloman's ideas are terrific.

1799
01:12:32.220 --> 01:12:35.579
But remember that Soman and Let's work very closely together in

1800
01:12:35.579 --> 01:12:39.779
order to do these season finales and let's co-writes.

1801
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:44.100
I think the demons is not good.

1802
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:46.680
I think Time Monster is terrible.

1803
01:12:46.739 --> 01:12:49.979
Well, again, when I say not good, it's per twi not good, which

1804
01:12:49.979 --> 01:12:52.800
means that I've got a lot of affection for it and that it's

1805
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:53.399
entertaining.

1806
01:12:53.460 --> 01:12:56.880
And as we've already explored, still not as bad as Monster

1807
01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:57.659
Palatin.

1808
01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:58.020
No.

1809
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:01.619
And so, but those, like, those 2 things are not very good.

1810
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:05.760
I think Green Death is very good and very much more focussed, you

1811
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.079
know, and just a better story.

1812
01:13:07.140 --> 01:13:10.619
And I think Planet of the Spiders is a bit of a giant mess

1813
01:13:10.619 --> 01:13:10.920
really.

1814
01:13:10.979 --> 01:13:15.899
But it doesn't have quite the terrible pacing and delaying tactics

1815
01:13:15.899 --> 01:13:19.619
and stuff that we got in something like the demons all the time on

1816
01:13:19.619 --> 01:13:20.100
the street.

1817
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:23.939
It's not as incompetent, I think, as the time monster, but I still

1818
01:13:23.939 --> 01:13:24.840
don't think it's great.

1819
01:13:24.899 --> 01:13:28.619
I quite like the 1st episode is essentially the adventures of

1820
01:13:28.619 --> 01:13:29.279
Sarah Jane Smith.

1821
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:30.659
Yeah, I approve of that.

1822
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:33.720
You know, she doesn't talk to the doctor until like halfway

1823
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:34.439
through episode two.

1824
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:38.159
Yeah, you know, I think that's quite well done.

1825
01:13:38.220 --> 01:13:42.060
For me, it is a toss up between this or the Green Death being his

1826
01:13:42.060 --> 01:13:42.539
best one.

1827
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:46.619
But I think I do lean slightly more towards this.

1828
01:13:47.100 --> 01:13:50.039
Probably just because of the regeneration.

1829
01:13:50.100 --> 01:13:54.239
Both of the stories lead to a departure and they are structured to

1830
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:57.840
lead to that departure, but I find this a lot more effective

1831
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.239
because it's a lot more thematic.

1832
01:14:00.300 --> 01:14:05.460
It's not so much leading to the departure, as it's leading to the

1833
01:14:05.460 --> 01:14:06.840
reason for the departure.

1834
01:14:06.899 --> 01:14:11.220
You know, when we get much, much later, David Tennant, in the end

1835
01:14:11.220 --> 01:14:13.800
of time screaming, I could have done so much more, so much more.

1836
01:14:13.859 --> 01:14:15.899
You know, that's standard.

1837
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:22.439
That, I mean, that subtext here, because the reason that the

1838
01:14:22.439 --> 01:14:26.819
doctor needs to talk to his old mentor is because he knows what he

1839
01:14:26.819 --> 01:14:28.560
has to do, but he doesn't want to do it.

1840
01:14:28.739 --> 01:14:34.260
But it's like if he tells me I need to go face my fear, then I

1841
01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:36.840
need to go face my fear, but otherwise I'm, you know, I am

1842
01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:37.199
scared.

1843
01:14:37.260 --> 01:14:41.819
I'm scared of dying, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be

1844
01:14:41.819 --> 01:14:42.359
scared of.

1845
01:14:42.420 --> 01:14:46.020
And he's not accustomed to feeling fear because he's never been in

1846
01:14:46.020 --> 01:14:50.699
a situation this dire before, but as he says at the end, it was

1847
01:14:50.699 --> 01:14:53.100
more important to face my fear than to go on living.

1848
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:57.000
And earlier on in the season, we have had that line of, I'll do

1849
01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.159
that when the only alternative to living is dying.

1850
01:14:59.460 --> 01:15:02.279
And he takes the alternative in this case.

1851
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:06.239
It's that final terrible line.

1852
01:15:06.300 --> 01:15:07.800
It is a short...

1853
01:15:08.819 --> 01:15:12.420
That final scene where he stumbles out of the TARDIS and falls to

1854
01:15:12.420 --> 01:15:16.319
the ground and stuff and we get the tear Sarah Jane thing, which

1855
01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:20.159
was actually rehearsed in Monster Pelleton.

1856
01:15:20.220 --> 01:15:22.979
I can actually get some mentioned there.

1857
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:26.039
Well, there's life, there's hope before, I think, as well.

1858
01:15:26.100 --> 01:15:26.760
Yeah.

1859
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:32.159
And to see the doctor, like he doesn't get to go out on a witty

1860
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:34.619
line or stay warm.

1861
01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:35.579
Stay warm.

1862
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:36.899
Stop. making me giddy.

1863
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:42.720
You know, like he, he, his eyes are virtually closed, you know

1864
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:46.800
like it's not, you know, a big showboating per week performance at

1865
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:52.800
the very end. is very small and the scene is mostly Choji or Campo

1866
01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:54.420
or both or neither.

1867
01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:56.159
And Sarah and the brigadier.

1868
01:15:56.279 --> 01:16:00.239
So, yeah, like it is a fairly downbeat ending, isn't it?

1869
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:03.840
It is, but at the same time, it's really, really lovely.

1870
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:07.800
And that, of course, one of the big criticisms or praises that

1871
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:12.300
people lay at Poey's feat is that he's so paternal and patrician.

1872
01:16:12.300 --> 01:16:18.720
And so, you know, he's dead, but his final thoughts are, don't be

1873
01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:19.380
upset, Sarah.

1874
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:19.979
Yeah.

1875
01:16:19.979 --> 01:16:23.279
Yeah, I like that.

1876
01:16:23.340 --> 01:16:24.960
Sorry I've just started crying.

1877
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:25.739
Oh.

1878
01:16:25.739 --> 01:16:28.439
Well, they're all dead now.

1879
01:16:28.500 --> 01:16:30.119
Yeah, everyone.

1880
01:16:30.180 --> 01:16:31.680
All gone.

1881
01:16:31.739 --> 01:16:33.180
Except Tom.

1882
01:16:33.300 --> 01:16:34.560
He's still with us.

1883
01:16:34.619 --> 01:16:40.020
I get upset when companions leave, but I don't get upset when the

1884
01:16:40.020 --> 01:16:40.739
doctor changes.

1885
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:42.720
No, I don't either. isn't that interesting?

1886
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:44.880
I get upset with both.

1887
01:16:44.939 --> 01:16:46.079
Yeah.

1888
01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:46.619
Yeah.

1889
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:50.220
The virtue one is so, like, it is just that rollback and mix.

1890
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:52.800
It's not, you know, standing in the centre of the TARDIS with

1891
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:56.340
golden glowy stuff pouring out of you and setting...

1892
01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:00.539
It is just literally just like a 2nd and they've pertweed, baker's

1893
01:17:00.539 --> 01:17:04.800
hair for that set, you know, so and rather than like get him in

1894
01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:07.319
the same position, they gave him a duplicate costume and just

1895
01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:08.399
filmed him on another part of the set.

1896
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:09.180
Oh, really?

1897
01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:11.159
And you can tell because the floor changed.

1898
01:17:11.220 --> 01:17:13.439
Oh, look at it.

1899
01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:17.340
I think I've seen that being shot where the, the, like the

1900
01:17:17.340 --> 01:17:19.800
director is, does footage of that exists?

1901
01:17:19.859 --> 01:17:22.199
I don't think so, but I could be wrong. could be wrong.

1902
01:17:22.500 --> 01:17:26.340
Well, they were filming robot at the same time.

1903
01:17:26.340 --> 01:17:27.239
Yeah, yeah.

1904
01:17:27.300 --> 01:17:29.159
Yeah, yeah, it's weirdly.

1905
01:17:29.220 --> 01:17:32.819
It's so strange because a robot, of course, was then filmed as

1906
01:17:32.819 --> 01:17:34.319
part of the same production block.

1907
01:17:34.380 --> 01:17:40.260
But Pertwee's regeneration was recorded in the 1st of 3 studio

1908
01:17:40.260 --> 01:17:41.819
blocks.

1909
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:43.319
It wasn't the last scene he recorded.

1910
01:17:43.380 --> 01:17:44.760
Probably a good idea, isn't it?

1911
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:48.359
Yeah, but I just think, you know, given how proud he was of the

1912
01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:51.479
role, imagine how hard that was for him to then go back for

1913
01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:53.819
another 3 weeks of work 4 weeks ago.

1914
01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:54.659
He's a professional.

1915
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:55.739
I know he's a professional.

1916
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:56.579
I don't think he's seeing it.

1917
01:17:56.640 --> 01:18:00.180
Look, he did also say he turned down several major roles because

1918
01:18:00.180 --> 01:18:01.500
he was still in Doctor Who.

1919
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:05.520
Well, you know, he hosted who done it. which is terrific and it's

1920
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:05.819
on YouTube.

1921
01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:07.500
It's actually finally out on DVD.

1922
01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:09.239
That might be one of my picks.

1923
01:18:09.300 --> 01:18:11.760
Yeah, but I just think he's amazing in that sense.

1924
01:18:11.819 --> 01:18:16.380
But also, Liz Slaton, between, I think, Studio Block 2 and Studio

1925
01:18:16.380 --> 01:18:20.699
Block 3 recorded the exterior stuff for a robot.

1926
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:25.079
She was working on both productions at the same time, but they

1927
01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:25.680
were very clever.

1928
01:18:25.739 --> 01:18:27.359
They restricted Nick to the 1st block.

1929
01:18:27.420 --> 01:18:28.800
So he wouldn't be.

1930
01:18:28.859 --> 01:18:31.020
So it was just, sorry, Liz, you're going to have to work on both.

1931
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:32.460
And she said, oh, no, it's fine.

1932
01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.760
You know, it means she gets like 7 frocks into stories.

1933
01:18:35.819 --> 01:18:40.560
She doesn't work with Tom in that block, which I don't believe so

1934
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:40.739
no.

1935
01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.140
Something I forgot to mention earlier.

1936
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:46.680
That stripy outfit that Sarah wears, the really iconic one.

1937
01:18:46.739 --> 01:18:50.279
My friend Daniel has tracked down a rep... sorry, not a replica.

1938
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:54.359
It's not the one she wore, but it's the one that was available at

1939
01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:54.899
the same time.

1940
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:59.699
So I will ask him to give us a picture of that. him wearing it.

1941
01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:02.460
No, it's too precious because he's a costume.

1942
01:19:03.180 --> 01:19:04.260
He's a costume historian.

1943
01:19:04.260 --> 01:19:05.640
He's a costume and clothing historian.

1944
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:06.539
Yeah.

1945
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:07.680
He's a curator of these things.

1946
01:19:07.739 --> 01:19:09.300
Okay, he's got one of those.

1947
01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:10.859
It wasn't Bieber, but it was up there.

1948
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:13.439
It was another line that was in competition with Bieber.

1949
01:19:13.500 --> 01:19:16.680
So, again, a lot of Katie's stuff was actually off the peg, Beaver

1950
01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:21.239
stuff, and this was this top is particularly memorable because

1951
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:22.500
it's got the big spider on it.

1952
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:25.260
Yeah, it's just a lovely piece of iconic seratom.

1953
01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:27.840
That and the Andy Paddy pyjamas for me is Sarah Jane Smith.

1954
01:19:27.899 --> 01:19:28.920
Terrific.

1955
01:19:28.979 --> 01:19:31.680
You know, we've gone all maudlin.

1956
01:19:31.739 --> 01:19:35.220
And sort of gray and dusk is and cool as the story is.

1957
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:36.300
It's a lovely story.

1958
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:38.399
I would, you're only going to watch one of this season.

1959
01:19:38.460 --> 01:19:39.060
It would be this one.

1960
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:40.800
Time Warrior.

1961
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:41.819
Oh yeah, both.

1962
01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:42.479
Yeah.

1963
01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:43.920
If you're only going to watch one.

1964
01:19:43.979 --> 01:19:45.779
Should be the time, Warrior.

1965
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:48.000
Death to the Daleks and Planet of the Spiders.

1966
01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:51.060
All at once. can be done.

1967
01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:54.779
If we want to end not on a maudlin note, but an honour what the

1968
01:19:54.779 --> 01:19:57.119
actual hell note, let's do that.

1969
01:19:57.180 --> 01:20:02.279
Okay, so we're moving into the Jenny Laird award now and we have a

1970
01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:03.060
bit of a quandary.

1971
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:04.500
Do we give it to the lady herself?

1972
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:06.899
Well, it's individual choice, isn't it?

1973
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:08.640
Richard, would you like to go first?

1974
01:20:08.699 --> 01:20:09.779
Well, I like to start first.

1975
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:12.479
It's generally like as it's a puzzling creative choice.

1976
01:20:12.539 --> 01:20:14.939
And again, I would like to give it to the loading question, but

1977
01:20:14.939 --> 01:20:15.720
she's just not good enough.

1978
01:20:15.779 --> 01:20:21.060
So, um, it actually goes to the entire notion of rebooting and

1979
01:20:21.060 --> 01:20:23.880
remaking because it's not a revisitation of the monster of

1980
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:24.479
Peladon.

1981
01:20:24.539 --> 01:20:26.039
I just see no reason why they did that story.

1982
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:30.420
I would have been very happy with a couple of extra episodes for

1983
01:20:30.420 --> 01:20:34.140
time, time, um, Warrior, Time Monster Warrior. should have been

1984
01:20:34.140 --> 01:20:36.359
you know, or the invasion of the potato head people.

1985
01:20:36.420 --> 01:20:39.180
Should have been 6 episodes because it would have had lots of

1986
01:20:39.180 --> 01:20:42.659
lovely elongated scenes with the Duke of Wessex and Professor

1987
01:20:42.659 --> 01:20:45.119
Rubish is terrific and more of the scientists.

1988
01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:48.000
I would have been very happy with a lot more of the cutting and

1989
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:49.680
pasting and touing and throwing in that.

1990
01:20:49.739 --> 01:20:53.819
And we could have even had a little bit more of, not spiders

1991
01:20:53.819 --> 01:20:54.300
but...

1992
01:20:54.300 --> 01:20:55.619
Oh, I don't know.

1993
01:20:55.619 --> 01:20:56.880
Bring it up to 10 episodes.

1994
01:20:56.939 --> 01:20:58.079
We could have gone to Floran.

1995
01:20:58.140 --> 01:21:01.199
We got it for just an episode of Liz, Liz in that, but he's

1996
01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:01.619
baking.

1997
01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:03.720
Yeah, just, you know, not sinking in the water.

1998
01:21:03.779 --> 01:21:07.020
That's the one in a bath of Epsom salts.

1999
01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:07.319
Yeah.

2000
01:21:07.380 --> 01:21:08.279
That's it.

2001
01:21:08.460 --> 01:21:10.979
Six episodes I can do without.

2002
01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:13.380
Yeah, it is terrible.

2003
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:18.600
I think my Jenny Led Award has to go to the dinosaurs, but not for

2004
01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:19.260
the reason you might think.

2005
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:23.699
Last season we saw the 1st time the Doctor Who filmed things out

2006
01:21:23.699 --> 01:21:26.340
of order in order to accommodate Patrick Trouton's schedule.

2007
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:31.560
I'm sure someone must have said to Barry, look, if you give us

2008
01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:34.680
another month, we can give you the stop motion dinosaurs you

2009
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:34.920
want.

2010
01:21:34.979 --> 01:21:37.020
Invasion of the dinosaurs was up first.

2011
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:40.680
It could only have benefitted from more pre-production.

2012
01:21:40.739 --> 01:21:43.199
Something like death to the Daleks, where they already had the

2013
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:46.859
Dalek props, you know, they were filming on location and a quarry

2014
01:21:46.859 --> 01:21:49.560
that could have been brought forward. was a tricky shoot, though.

2015
01:21:49.619 --> 01:21:52.319
Monster of Peladin had so much already in stock.

2016
01:21:52.380 --> 01:21:53.399
That could have been done.

2017
01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:54.479
That should have been the 1st one, yeah.

2018
01:21:54.539 --> 01:21:59.520
So yeah, I don't understand why I know Barry has often said, oh, I

2019
01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:00.840
wish the dinosaurs have been better.

2020
01:22:00.899 --> 01:22:04.680
Well, yeah, I don't understand why they weren't either.

2021
01:22:04.739 --> 01:22:05.520
Barry, really?

2022
01:22:05.579 --> 01:22:06.060
I don't.

2023
01:22:07.020 --> 01:22:09.300
I want give it to Jenny.

2024
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:11.220
I feel bad.

2025
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:14.220
I've been hanging out for 11 seasons.

2026
01:22:14.460 --> 01:22:16.979
Jenny gets my Jenny Laird award, bless her.

2027
01:22:17.460 --> 01:22:19.680
Pics of the month, gentlemen.

2028
01:22:19.739 --> 01:22:23.520
Well, we mentioned Doctor Who podcast in our last episode.

2029
01:22:23.579 --> 01:22:26.279
It's called Trust Your Doctor.

2030
01:22:26.340 --> 01:22:30.659
And in it, 2 young men who, I think, live in California, are

2031
01:22:30.659 --> 01:22:32.159
watching their way through Doctor Who.

2032
01:22:32.220 --> 01:22:35.159
They're taking a flight through entirety, much as we have been.

2033
01:22:35.220 --> 01:22:38.039
They're up to 66 episodes, I think.

2034
01:22:38.100 --> 01:22:41.640
Their most recent episode is about the time monster, so they do

2035
01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:47.220
one story per episode, which is a crazy way of going.

2036
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:48.359
No, you don't understand why.

2037
01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:49.140
Never considered doing that.

2038
01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:51.960
And they hated the massacre.

2039
01:22:52.260 --> 01:22:54.539
Well, why would you bother listening?

2040
01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:56.640
They're lovely.

2041
01:22:56.699 --> 01:23:00.300
And so I think by now, and we don't know what their production

2042
01:23:00.300 --> 01:23:04.500
schedule is exactly, but Brendan and I will have guested on an

2043
01:23:04.500 --> 01:23:09.600
episode of theirs, in which we discuss, we'll discuss, we'll have

2044
01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:10.079
discussed.

2045
01:23:10.140 --> 01:23:13.680
We'll have been going to have discussed last of the Gadarene by

2046
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:14.520
Mark Gators.

2047
01:23:14.579 --> 01:23:16.380
So stick it in your podcast.

2048
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:18.840
You're not allowed to listen to that instead of flight through

2049
01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:24.239
entirety, obviously, but you may supplement your phonetic devotion

2050
01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:29.100
to flight through entirety with listening to Kian and Dylan on

2051
01:23:29.100 --> 01:23:33.960
Trust Your Doctor and their website is at decorativevegetable

2052
01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:33.960
com.

2053
01:23:34.020 --> 01:23:35.640
Oh, that's a line, isn't it?

2054
01:23:36.539 --> 01:23:38.939
I think my pick.

2055
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:40.680
And this is going to be a slightly surprising one.

2056
01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:45.600
But my pick is for the 1990s...

2057
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:50.460
John Pertley, BBC radio stories.

2058
01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:50.939
Really?

2059
01:23:50.939 --> 01:23:53.279
Paradise of Death and the Ghost of En Space.

2060
01:23:53.340 --> 01:23:53.699
You know what?

2061
01:23:53.819 --> 01:23:57.720
They're both seriously flawed, but it's John Pertwee.

2062
01:23:57.779 --> 01:24:01.199
Elizabeth Slayton, Nick Courtney, with Barry Letts writing, Peter

2063
01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:03.420
Miles turns up, Stephen Thorne turns up.

2064
01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:07.140
You've got Jeremy Fitzolliver, who's a new character created just

2065
01:24:07.140 --> 01:24:07.500
for them.

2066
01:24:07.979 --> 01:24:13.079
As I say, they are they are quite flawed, but they are still

2067
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:13.859
enjoyable.

2068
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:14.460
And you know what?

2069
01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:17.039
Without them, I don't think we would have had big finish.

2070
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:22.619
And also, the people who worked on them, included Dirk Maggs, who

2071
01:24:22.619 --> 01:24:26.939
went on to make the death of Superman as a radio play and the Dirk

2072
01:24:26.939 --> 01:24:30.899
Gently radio series as well as the tertiary quadrinary and

2073
01:24:30.899 --> 01:24:33.899
quintessential phases of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

2074
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:34.739
I quite like them too.

2075
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:35.399
Yeah.

2076
01:24:35.460 --> 01:24:39.779
And so these 2 adventures, you will be able to find them on iTunes

2077
01:24:39.779 --> 01:24:40.619
they are on there.

2078
01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:42.359
We will include a link on the website.

2079
01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:45.960
They're not the best thing, but they're the last...

2080
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:51.899
They're the last time John Pertley played the doctor before he

2081
01:24:51.899 --> 01:24:52.439
passed away.

2082
01:24:52.500 --> 01:24:55.619
And, you know what, he's still bloody great in them.

2083
01:24:55.859 --> 01:25:00.060
Liz is great, and Nicholas Courtney is given the wonderful line of

2084
01:25:00.060 --> 01:25:03.420
of course, I'm sure, since when did I paint my toenails pink.

2085
01:25:05.579 --> 01:25:08.760
Brendan's so nice, isn't he, Richard?

2086
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:13.859
You know, he says flawed where I'd be saying, you know...

2087
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:19.260
Tire, disastrous, plangently awful, you know.

2088
01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:21.180
Exorable.

2089
01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:22.079
You're lovely.

2090
01:25:22.739 --> 01:25:24.960
Never change, Wendy.

2091
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:27.960
Do I have a go?

2092
01:25:28.020 --> 01:25:29.279
kick of the week.

2093
01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:31.319
Well, I sort of haven't thrown in a few weeks, don't they?

2094
01:25:31.380 --> 01:25:34.140
I've been watching, like, I like to watch some things that are

2095
01:25:34.140 --> 01:25:37.140
around at the same time when we're watching Doctor Who so you get

2096
01:25:37.140 --> 01:25:39.000
a flavour of what people are actually viewing.

2097
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:42.180
And you can really get into their mindset and just have mad the

2098
01:25:42.180 --> 01:25:42.899
entire world was.

2099
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.680
I've been watching Jason King starring our very own Peter Wingard

2100
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:48.119
whom we own.

2101
01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:50.760
It's got an impressive moustache, doesn't it?

2102
01:25:50.819 --> 01:25:53.399
Most impressive moustache that gets more and more baroque as the

2103
01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:53.880
series goes on.

2104
01:25:53.939 --> 01:25:54.899
I'm going to have a look at that.

2105
01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:57.000
It, Laurie Johnson's music from the Avengers.

2106
01:25:57.060 --> 01:26:00.119
It's got our very own Dennis Spooner, a script editor.

2107
01:26:00.180 --> 01:26:01.140
It funny?

2108
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:03.119
It's actually...

2109
01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:06.479
Oh, look, okay, the 1st time I saw it in 2005 when this came out, I

2110
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:09.359
thought, oh, God, this is terrible and I put it away. watched it

2111
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:09.659
again.

2112
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:13.260
But now I'm watching it, I'm being slightly older, and yes, it is

2113
01:26:13.260 --> 01:26:19.859
but it's so dour, and it's a really saturnine kind of humour.

2114
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:20.819
It's much darker.

2115
01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:23.760
It's almost like a Weimar production.

2116
01:26:23.939 --> 01:26:26.340
But he's very pert wheat.

2117
01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:30.119
And the character or the received character is very much the same

2118
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:31.920
sort of character the doctor's playing.

2119
01:26:31.979 --> 01:26:35.220
It's sort of really conscious and drinking cloud. not just the

2120
01:26:35.220 --> 01:26:38.699
look, it's just the way that he removes himself ever so slightly

2121
01:26:38.699 --> 01:26:41.399
from what's going on around him and just observes and then we'll

2122
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:44.399
make a comment and pertly has that very much, you know, that sang

2123
01:26:44.399 --> 01:26:48.479
foi. that very much kind of, as I said, you were saying, the

2124
01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:50.939
romantic lead of older times.

2125
01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:52.260
Yeah, it's really worth watching.

2126
01:26:52.319 --> 01:26:54.420
It is very funny, but don't expect birdie laughs.

2127
01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:56.340
It's kind of a chortle at the back of your throat.

2128
01:26:56.340 --> 01:26:58.199
And it's so over the top.

2129
01:26:58.920 --> 01:27:00.779
So yeah.

2130
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:04.260
Also, a lot of Doctor Who girls turn up in it, so worth looking

2131
01:27:04.260 --> 01:27:04.500
at.

2132
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:22.439
Well, that, uh, that is all time we have.

2133
01:27:22.500 --> 01:27:23.640
We are about to head off.

2134
01:27:23.699 --> 01:27:27.659
We will be back in two weeks with a retrospective looking at the

2135
01:27:27.659 --> 01:27:31.439
whole of the Pertwi era, which is why we didn't discuss much at

2136
01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:35.039
the end there about what we think the impact is of Pertwi, because

2137
01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:38.579
all 4 of us, we'll be back in a fortnight to discuss that.

2138
01:27:38.699 --> 01:27:40.079
And then.

2139
01:27:40.140 --> 01:27:41.279
This will be called the Blinovich.

2140
01:27:41.340 --> 01:27:44.579
You were getting a bit upset too. reference to you, we was.

2141
01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:45.420
We had to move on.

2142
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:48.119
But, you know, with all 4 of us in the room, I'm sure there'll be

2143
01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:53.939
some kind of Blunovician time bubbly effect if we voiced Todd

2144
01:27:53.939 --> 01:27:55.020
Richard, that feeling.

2145
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:56.819
No, that is the rule.

2146
01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:01.859
And a very exciting announcement now.

2147
01:28:03.420 --> 01:28:11.100
First of all, from June 14th, when that retrospective episode goes

2148
01:28:11.100 --> 01:28:16.619
out, we will actually be moving to publishing episodes weekly.

2149
01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:17.640
Who's ever thought of that?

2150
01:28:18.539 --> 01:28:23.760
Not only that, but we've had the entirely original idea that isn't

2151
01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:25.380
related to trust your doctor at all.

2152
01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:28.380
We're actually going to be covering just one story per week.

2153
01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:32.220
We did actually discuss this before though, didn't we?

2154
01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:33.840
Oh, don't say that.

2155
01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:39.359
I want to trust your doctor people to get really cross at us for

2156
01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:40.439
sealing in our idea.

2157
01:28:40.500 --> 01:28:44.579
That was synced in from further in the past, yeah.

2158
01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:48.479
Yes, it's something we've been thinking about doing for a few

2159
01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:50.760
months since we moved to fortnightly.

2160
01:28:50.819 --> 01:28:54.420
So yeah, we'll be in your podcast speed weekly talking about

2161
01:28:54.420 --> 01:28:57.659
individual stories each week.

2162
01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:01.260
We also have another project on the horizon, which I should

2163
01:29:01.260 --> 01:29:05.340
hopefully materialise in June or July, more details on that

2164
01:29:05.340 --> 01:29:05.640
later.

2165
01:29:05.699 --> 01:29:12.239
And gentlemen, do you know what it was a few days ago on the 26th

2166
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:13.619
of May.

2167
01:29:14.699 --> 01:29:16.680
Um.

2168
01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:19.140
I want to say...

2169
01:29:19.140 --> 01:29:23.640
I want to say Katie Manning's 45th birthday.

2170
01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:29.159
Uh, well, it may have been Katie Manning's 46th birthday, but the

2171
01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:33.899
26th of May, 2014 was when we released episode 0, a little queer.

2172
01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:35.039
Gentlemen.

2173
01:29:35.100 --> 01:29:36.720
Happy 1st anniversary.

2174
01:29:36.899 --> 01:29:38.640
All right.

2175
01:29:38.699 --> 01:29:42.840
And just for that, as we can see here, I've made you some lovely

2176
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:44.760
alien quarry samples.

2177
01:29:44.819 --> 01:29:49.800
The recipe for which will be on the website. hurrah.

2178
01:29:49.859 --> 01:29:53.579
So until we see you again in 2 weeks, don't forget to check out

2179
01:29:53.579 --> 01:29:56.939
our website, flight through entirety.com, you can also find us on

2180
01:29:56.939 --> 01:30:00.239
Facebook by searching for flight through entirety, on Twitter, by

2181
01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:04.199
looking for FTE podcast, and on iTunes for searching for flight

2182
01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:05.279
through entirety as well.

2183
01:30:05.340 --> 01:30:07.500
Two more reviews and we actually get a rating.

2184
01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:09.300
So, if you want to review us.

2185
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:11.579
I'm not being I'm being...

2186
01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:12.539
Yeah, reviewers.

2187
01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:14.100
For God's sake, say something lovely.

2188
01:30:14.220 --> 01:30:15.539
Say something nice.

2189
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:16.260
Nice.

2190
01:30:16.260 --> 01:30:18.840
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

2191
01:30:18.899 --> 01:30:19.560
Good night.

2192
01:30:19.619 --> 01:30:20.760
That is ache.

2193
01:30:23.819 --> 01:30:27.119
You've been listening to Flat your entirety, Aiken Bottomley

2194
01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:28.800
Brennan Downs, and Richard Stone.

2195
01:30:28.859 --> 01:30:33.119
This episode, Evil Buddhists, is recorded on Sunday, May the 3rd

2196
01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:35.880
the next episode will be released on June 14th.

2197
01:30:35.939 --> 01:30:39.600
The old self must die, and the new family will discover their

2198
01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:43.319
inexpressible dream, but the ministry of Paladin never existed.

2199
01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:53.399
A dandy and a clown.

2200
01:30:53.460 --> 01:30:55.079
Is that what I've become?