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Hello and welcome back to the 1st episode of the new improved

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weekly Flightthrough Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who

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knows why a mouse is when it spins.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm a lovely bucket of squidgy CSO glamour.

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So, Richard.

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Hello.

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And I'm back from Ketterwell hairdressers.

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One style fits all.

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And don't I look a treat?

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Yes, that's, that's, that's certainly a word.

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No need for any of us to floss at this time.

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No, indeed, because we're about to see the 4th doctor in action

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for the 1st time in robot.

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So, this is the first story for the new doctor, and, indeed, the

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doctor who, for many people, This is their doctor.

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When you talk to people who aren't huge Doctor Who fans.

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Mostly the one they remember is Tom Baker.

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And yeah, so we pick up right from the end of Planet of the

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Spiders.

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We have a reprise of the regeneration scene, which is the 1st time

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this has happened.

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There was no reprise in Power of the Daleks.

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There was no reprise in Spearhead, obviously, because it would

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have been black and white to film.

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It's like a cliffhanger between seasons with the same kind of with

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the same kind of carryover.

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And straight away, Tom shows himself to be a very different

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character with sort of his random outbursts of dialogue.

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It's like the opposite of an exposition coma.

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The sort of nonsense and nonsense.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a it's a non-sequitoc coma.

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And we did the ATHD drug of choice.

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This is a very odd story, isn't it?

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Because watching them all again, and having seen them as a wee

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time tot, It's not a Tom story.

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It's a pertly story with a pertly crowd written by Pertly's own

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Terence Dix and doesn't Tom go in like a mistimed cog in a spring

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in a wheel that doesn't click and makes the whole works shebang

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and fall apart just by his mere presence and they can never go

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back.

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It's proof positive.

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They can never do it the old way again.

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This doctor does not fit in the old form and he won't allow it.

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At the same time, though, Robert Holmes had essentially been

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scripted for the last 3 stories.

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That's true, Death to the Daleks.

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It's very strongly Bob stories.

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He doesn't fix this story, though.

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I mean, it is still stupid.

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Well, it's still a Terrence story.

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I'll come back to that in the moment.

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But Robert Holmes describes the situation as he was shadowing in

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inverted commas, Terrence Dix, which meant he was sitting in

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Terrence Dix's office working on the last 3 stories and twice a

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week, Terrence Dix would poke his head around the door and say

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everything all right?

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Aspirin's in the top drawer.

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You're fine.

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But where this story, I think, really starts to show straight away

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that there's a new production team coming in.

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Of course it's still produced by Barry.

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It's still written by Terrence, is the filmic influence of the

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story, because Bob Holmes said to Terrence, when Terrence said, oh

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I'll white your 1st story, Bob.

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Bob Holmes said, I want a King Kong style story.

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And as we'll discover over the next 3 years, something that's

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really big for the Holmes Hinchcliffe combination, naked, naked

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stuff from films.

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And that happens.

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Didn't they also say they wanted a sentimental provocateur, a

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sentimental monster.

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So it wasn't just that they were also looking at Shelley's true

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Frankenstein, and that there's intimacy, and therefore, between

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the Pearl White character, who is, you know, now we know

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definitely, you know, Sarah Jane was cast as Pearl White, with a

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veneer, with a character.

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Pearl White.

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Okay.

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Because McAe Ray's character in Pearl White is the girl always

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getting tied to the train tracks in all those silent.

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Penelope Pit Stop crying.

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That was definitely ripped off on the pearl white character.

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So if we go back to the sign of the era, She was the girl who was

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always being tied in her bloomers to the railway tracks.

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Because, I mean, if it was from the original King Kong, which is

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already kind of really problematic racially.

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The fact that they raise character as well.

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And Hitler's favourite film.

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I'm not at all surprised.

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Allegedly.

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Because he really loved it.

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This is more than just King Kong, though, isn't it, if we look at

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it?

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I mean, okay, we all get it that there's the protagonist that has

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a soul.

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But this is actually, and we're looking over at Brendan's lovely

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credenza at the moment. gentle listener to Gort.

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The fabulous score.

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From the day the earth stood still, 1950, George Pells.

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And really it's just Super Jesus 911, isn't it?

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Apologies to American listeners.

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But every damn Superman film we've seen.

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Every superfilm we've seen now is the world covered in pumice and

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a superhero really just playing.

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Michael Rennie was ill the day of the earth stood still.

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And he played Mr. Carpenter.

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Did you get it?

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Did you get it?

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And Gorge is definitely the K1 robot, but without a soul.

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So we're really just looking at, ooh.

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Are we getting a bit Nietzschean here?

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We're allowed to use terms like that.

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Certainly with the character of Hilda Winters.

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Yes, we can even.

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I think this story is the Nietzsche one because we'll get to a lot

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of Jacques La Khan later in the season and Mr. Hinchcliffe himself

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as referenced Jacques La Khan in several times in interviews.

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And that's the dissonance and the delay of the fear, the object of

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horror, and the actual death, or the object of horror witnessed

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lived with before the resolution, is the elongation of terror, and

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elongation of fear.

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Do you mean to that later?

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Not seeing the monster until the end of episode one.

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Everyone's glazing over us.

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We'll get you at another point.

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Yeah, to clarify that.

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I have no idea what you were talking about.

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Well, the point the point with this one is that you've got the

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larger than, um, antagonist who's the kind of a super ego, who's

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kind of the man at his worst, but also revealing underneath that

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there's the transition, there's the chance for, for redemption in

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that he's not actually, just like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, who

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was the 1st one to do it, is that there is actually opportunity

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for redemption.

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Yes.

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And the tragedy is that that is generally not conceived.

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The narrative doesn't allow that to happen.

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What I found so interesting about watching this story was that, as

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you mentioned earlier, Richard, it's clearly still a unit story

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it's clearly playing with the John Pertley toy box, if you like, of

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having unit and having this homegrown threat and what have you.

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But I think that's such a good idea.

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Because it gives the audience something familiar for the new

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doctor to be different against.

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So it immediately defines his character.

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I agree completely with you, Brendan.

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I think, at this point in time, Doctor Who has a solid audience of

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8 to 9.5 million viewers every week.

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You know, for big events, they're getting an extra 100000000 and a

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half.

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Here, you've got, in this regeneration story, you've got the

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familiar elements of the brigadier Benton.

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Sarah's been in the show for a year and she's the main protagonist

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to the whole story.

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You've got all of these elements supporting a new doctor and

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allowing him to put his own sort of mark on things and how they

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react to his differences.

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What I really like about this is the fact that the brigadier and

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Benton are actually so accepting, right?

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Which is actually very warm and lovely.

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And Sarah, she's not angsty or anything like that.

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But it's really interesting watching Elizabeth Staten's

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reactions.

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She's very positive, but she's sort of watching Tom and how, what

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he's going to say and you think that Sarah's about to jump in like

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she would with per tweet.

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Like we do on this podcast.

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But then you sort of see her then relax and sort of smile and joke

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and sort of you go along with it.

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So you're accepting of it.

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It's actually her reactions and how Sarah reacts to the new doctor

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which I really loved in this.

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Do you know, one of the things, though, that I think is odd is

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that really no one says anything very much, you know, beyond

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episode one and beyond just when he gets up and gets in his new

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outfit and that he's just the doctor and no one really remarks

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ever again on the fact that he's sort of changed his appearance

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and no one sort of feels odd about it.

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You see, I would disagree with that.

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Certainly, okay, they don't say it, but Nick's performance against

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Tom is so different compared to his performance against Pertwee.

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There is a distrust there.

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I can see it too.

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Yeah, and I actually thought that in a number of scenes, Nick's

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reactions here are very different.

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He looks very uncomfortable at times with what the doctor is

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doing.

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So I can see my contract ending.

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Can I bring up Sandra for the 1st time in the podcast?

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I think you go have a drink, boys?

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Sandoval just says that what's happening is you bring back the

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unit people as a kind of transition thing, but the effect of it is

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Tom just acts them all off the screen is literally what he says.

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And so suddenly it becomes clear that we don't need unit.

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As Richard said, the contract is about to end. in fact, this

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recording block, which ends with terror of the Zygons.

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You know, we don't get unit ever really again in that sort of same

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role.

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No, indeed.

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Indeed.

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We don't get the brigadier again, do we?

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Not, not, yeah, no, it's mysteriously unavailable.

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I never blame him.

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Yeah, no, he's engineering.

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He's sulking away with Doris in that mock Tudor get up somewhere

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in them.

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Well, you know, I, I, I do, I do wonder about the Brigandoris, this

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is just the 1st of several stupid observations of mine this

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season.

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When the doctor is trying to remember who the brigady is, he

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compares him 1st to Hannibal and then Alexander the Great.

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And of course, what he's actually doing is comparing him to great

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military leaders.

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It's a really good step in their relationship because he's

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flattering him in a way.

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Great generals who slept with other warriors.

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Well, exactly.

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They're both history's famous bisexuals.

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In the scene right after Sarah Jane has called a drink?

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The brigadier, a swinger.

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Yes.

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Something very clear in 1974, boys and girls.

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Where is your car keys?

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Wasn't the brigadier very keen to stifle any talk of Doris a few

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weeks ago?

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Inplanet of the spiders?

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Yeah, I, you know, I think he and Doris have a very stable...

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They have a very stable...

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They're usually working down the docks as a stevedore, which is 6

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foot three with a big massive beard, much like Todd's hair.

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That's no way.

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That's no way to talk about Angela Douglas.

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Do we remember Angela Douglas from the carry-ons?

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Wasn't she miraculous in that?

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And of course, one of our old... of our old picks of the week

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Daleks versus Meekon, the trailer.

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She's been co-opted into that.

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And you know what?

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We're getting ahead of ourselves.

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When she finally appears in Doctor Who.

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She's hardly bloody age in 20 years.

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She looks magnificent.

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Much like everyone in this thing too.

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Don't you love Benton?

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Don't you look at them and think, this is this lovely Indian

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summer purple twilit thing of saying goodbye to old friends and

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you do love them, don't you?

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Well, he gets a promotion, doesn't he?

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get to be Mr. Benton. from now.

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Yes, Mr. Benton.

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RSM.

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The thing that we've completely not mentioned at all is, you know

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what I mean?

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Harry Sullivan.

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We kept the best to last, didn't we?

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Todd, well, how do you reckon Harry fits in?

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He's so immediate.

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He's so immediate, and he's Tom's new buddy, and that's evident in

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this run of stories.

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Do you think it would have worked as well without Harry?

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I really don't.

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No, no.

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And I know that Harry was brought in because I think about casting

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an older actor, that famous story about Richard Hearn thinking

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they wanted him to play it like Mr. Pastry.

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And we had Mr. Moody, the lovely Ron Moody, which are late.

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Yeah.

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Just past this week.

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And well, he could have been, I believe, 3 doctors.

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I think he was in the running for...

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He could have done his own 3 and four. special.

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Imagine the money they would have sold.

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Yeah exactly.

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Ian Martyr was brought in to be the man of action against the

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older doctor, much like the same reason that Richard Franklin was

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brought in before they suddenly realised, hold on, busting

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something.

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One is not really a man of action.

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Two, you don't need a man of action with pert wig.

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No, you don't.

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I actually think Richard Franklin was perfect casting because

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there's lots of boys who went to Sandist, who are the younger sons

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of clergy.

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He is an officer.

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Yeah, well, he's, you know, he's you as Nancy Mitchell would have

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said, not non-you.

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Look, he's one of the posh boys who really wasn't supposed to be

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there, but a lot of them come out of that military school and

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they're quite fain.

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They'd much rather just do etchings with other chaps.

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But it ended up.

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Did you know?

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And I think it's actually okay to reveal this now that, you know

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we've gone on.

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Ian Marner was, according to, according to the studio nights. have

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you come across this, actually was cast, but was unavailable.

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Yeah, no, we mentioned it.

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Richard Franklin was always available.

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So, I mean, that to all his mates.

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I mean, he was always available to his mates.

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And yeah, yeah, it was kind of like, okay, well, I actually think

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it's Sterling casting.

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Oh, yeah. of Dickie Franklin.

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Yeah, you know what?

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I, as I, as I, as I've detailed, nearly no one we've mentioned.

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Look, when we last saw him, he was resting in Kevin Lindsay's lap

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and really, what else do we need?

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They've passed away very soon after with no reference to the a

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heart attack.

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Well, what a way to go.

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What else do you want to say about that?

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We talked about Harry.

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Yeah, Harry.

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We're still on...

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As you were saying, Todd, you know, he's so immediate in that.

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And to compare him to Captain Yates.

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Yeah, you know, not necessarily do Richard Franklin, but when

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Captain Yates arrives, there's several lines of dialogue to

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intimate he's only been there for a few weeks.

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No, no, that's not true.

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I'll actually say you've been around since the other autumn

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thing.

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Yeah, well, he said, I'll clean up.

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I'm not cleaned up.

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But there's lots of dialogue to establish him to say, oh, Mike is

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this, and Mike is that.

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Whereas Harry just walks into the room and the brigadier is like

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oh, thank you, Sullivan.

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No, he phoned him in the previous story.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But that's what I mean.

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These are the swinger lines they used to have.

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Mikey Yates is established as having been there through people

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saying, oh, you've been here for a while, whereas Harry Sullivan

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is established as having been there just because people treat

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him.

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Do you think it's also that Ian just has such a strong screen

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presence and actually matches Tom and beguilingly does the Sotto

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Vocce to Tom's forte forte forte, but it's actually a really

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lovely duality.

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Yeah, well, that Sarah is just the triumvirate that makes it stand

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up.

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That amazing skipping rope scene.

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I mean, compare that to the fetcher tin of cocoa scene.

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You know, you've got 2 actors as equals in the skipping rope scene

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whereas in the fetch tan of cocoa scene, Richard Franklin is very

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subservient to John Purley, because that was just the performance

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style.

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How it's liked it.

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But it's so obvious in so many scenes that Tom and Ian are acting

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their socks off. compared to Wick.

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And Elizabeth rises to the occasion.

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You can see it.

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It's a ketterwell scene like in his office.

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And honestly, you know, the 3 of them are fantastic and Nick in

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the background, I'm just there going, you are struggling, Maggie.

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And I'm not trying to be horrible or anything like that.

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Well, you know what?

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They've got a lot to deal with.

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We haven't mentioned the theme song in the room. wrote this theme

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song, saying the thing.

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Miss Winters.

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We haven't mentioned this one.

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I think it's very difficult for the male supporting cast to

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actually do anything, but gays in mute admiration at the stoic

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presence that is Patricia Maynard.

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Writer of the Mindor thing. and girlfriend of Dennis Waterman at

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the time.

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Is that true?

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That is absolutely true.

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Mother of Hannah Waterman.

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In fact.

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Yes, yeah.

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I'm gonna go out there.

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This is possibly Doctor Who's strongest feminist story to date.

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And also probably its most reviling in that everyone who's a

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feminist is a horrible, horrible villain monster who's humourous

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and cold.

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And although they do have nice cloak, nice boots.

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Well, I think you can also construe as feminist, that none of the

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men treat Miss Winters negatively because she is a woman.

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Only Sarah does.

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Only, only Sarah does.

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I think she gets pulled up on that one.

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Yeah, she gets pulled up bullion.

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And the thing is, you sort of look at Sarah and Sarah is a strong

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independent woman in a man's world, which is why she assumes a man

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is in charge.

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She doesn't really meet many women.

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I mean, this.

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There will be 3 speaking women in the entire...

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The last one she met was Queen the Nera.

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Oh, I've just realised you're right. terrible. really, really

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terrible.

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And so she's actually met one of these women things that she's

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hardly at the times across.

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She got on well with Queen Filira.

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She did.

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She taught she taught her to bite her enemies.

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Which is funny when you think of her successor in the companion

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role.

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But it's so worth commenting on the strong women in this storyline

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because of its basis in King Kong, where Fey Ray's role was as a

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mother and a nurturing figure to Kong and to be captured and to be

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used as a commodity and what have you, whereas.

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And Tricia Neal in Day the Earth stood still.

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And Patricia Neal.

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But she played it, again, that's a lovely role, if you haven't

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seen the film, because she plays it as a highly intelligent

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woman.

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Well, see, that's exactly what Sarah and Miss Winters are

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especially with Sarah's sympathy for the robot.

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Now, that's also very mothering, but it goes from being a

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mothering and nurturing idea, to being a discussion about the

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nature of intelligence and sentience.

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And it's Sarah and Miss Winters leading that discussion in the

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storyline.

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It's not really curtable.

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It's Miss Winters, who is the Dr. Frankenstein in Frankenstein.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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In this one.

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Exactly.

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Young Frankenstein had been out.

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Kevin Well is Igor.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

430
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And who's Jellicoe?

431
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Jellicoe was almost Colin Baker.

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He was, Will, yes.

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Can you imagine?

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In an Ian Marto and Richard Franklin kind of way.

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Colin Baker was picked for the pub, but wasn't available.

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So we got we got Alec Lindstead Insted.

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I like that he's got that lovely thing when gingers were terribly

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rare in the 70s because they didn't have the penicillas that we

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have now, so they didn't live very long.

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You didn't get it from me.

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Oh, it's true.

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It's true.

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They were all expiring.

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That anaphylactic shock.

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In those days.

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You couldn't open a jar of peanut butter without seeing it.

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A ginger collapse.

448
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I could have crushed biscuits.

449
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Are you confusing?

450
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Are you confusing gingers with ginger nuts?

451
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Same difference, really?

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and stop that.

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It's a family.

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No, you gonna say something?

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I just wanted to say that Jellicoe, of course, is coded as gay in

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the novelisation by Terrence.

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A bit like Professor Whittaker.

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His musical theatre?

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No, his overly trendy and fashionable in his dress for someone of

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his age.

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So he takes a little bit too much care in his appearance.

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And I can't think why else Terrence would mention that detail

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except to try and code him as gay.

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And because he has to die.

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No, no, well, he doesn't he doesn't die. he doesn't die

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interestingly.

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He just disappears off the narrative.

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You have to explain why he's subordinate to a woman, you see.

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Oh, and he can only be subordinate to a woman if he's a homosexual

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woman.

471
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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Thanks, Terence.

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I knew he'd get that in somewhere. yeah.

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We still love him.

475
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Well, it's just been announced this week that Sam Smith is singing

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the new bond theme.

477
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Oh, it's got to be Bassy.

478
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But Sam's Sam Smith is an homosexual.

479
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Oh, okay.

480
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So you're doing it as Dame Shirley, baby. as Dame Shirley

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Bassing.

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And also, I doubt he'll be whistling in the theme, of course, for

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the new...

484
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No, Squiz can't whistle.

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Ian, who said that?

486
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Ian Fleming, but it was actually a great open myth at the time

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that if you were homotexual, you couldn't whistle, which is why

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there's that scene between... amazing when you consider Quentin

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Chris Duckface. whistle It's actually so weird.

490
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No, I just don't get it.

491
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Do you know they actually put it down to the oblation of the

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palate?

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I have a confession to make is that when I came to watch this, I

494
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had to actually unwrap it out of its plastic.

495
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In fact, every single season that I'd actually watched thus far

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I've had to actually unwrap at least 2 or 3 stories.

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Oh, goodness.

498
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Like that many.

499
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I just couldn't believe it Todgers refresh.

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Except for season seven.

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That's probably why I like season seven, so...

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I actually put the DVD in and then I pushed play.

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And I had absolute chills.

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Like as that 2 side bars go into the TARDIS block, I was just like

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you know, literally shaking.

506
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I just couldn't believe the sort of response I was having to

507
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watching this story again and.

508
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It's like when the show came back in 96 when you heard the theme

509
00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:27.539
again, you just goosebumps that you got, and I just have had it

510
00:21:27.539 --> 00:21:29.819
watching this entire run of stories.

511
00:21:29.819 --> 00:21:33.539
You guys have all talked about the 1st stories that you have

512
00:21:33.539 --> 00:21:35.039
watched and you can remember.

513
00:21:35.099 --> 00:21:38.759
And I can't really remember what my 1st story was.

514
00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:40.980
As I watched that, I started trying to think about it.

515
00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.660
And there's this moment, a few minutes into the episode, the point

516
00:21:45.660 --> 00:21:50.099
of view of the robot, when it's trying to break into the research

517
00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:53.339
establishment with the wire mesh and the green grass.

518
00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:58.259
And as a kid, I had a recurring nightmare, that we lived in a

519
00:21:58.259 --> 00:22:02.039
train tunnel, and we had our front door, and there were these 2

520
00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:06.599
panels next to the door, and it was like what the robot was, you

521
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:08.700
know, there was something outside, and we couldn't see what it

522
00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:08.940
was.

523
00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:12.180
As I watched it, I saw that, and then all these flashes just

524
00:22:12.180 --> 00:22:16.799
started going into my mind, like, Sarah crawling through the pipe

525
00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:21.359
with the weir and outside, Sarah falling off the scaffolding in

526
00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:21.960
Genesis.

527
00:22:22.019 --> 00:22:24.539
Sarah being attacked by the cyberman.

528
00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:25.799
There's a theme emerging here.

529
00:22:25.859 --> 00:22:30.779
And I don't know whether or not robot is the 1st story I am saw

530
00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:31.079
right?

531
00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:34.740
I kind of knew that John Pertwee was the doctor, so I must have

532
00:22:34.740 --> 00:22:38.279
caught something of spies, but, you know, it's racking my brain

533
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:43.259
even in the Santarian experiment when Sarah talks about links, like

534
00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:44.519
I don't remember that.

535
00:22:44.579 --> 00:22:46.440
Like I don't, I never got that.

536
00:22:46.500 --> 00:22:49.140
I can't remember if I knew that she knew the Daleks or not.

537
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:53.640
I do remember as a kid watching episode one of The Time Warrior

538
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:58.140
expecting old perchwee titles, getting the new ones and going, oh

539
00:22:58.140 --> 00:22:59.640
and then going, oh, they're like Tom's.

540
00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:00.779
So I didn't really know that.

541
00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:02.640
No, about 77, 77.

542
00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:07.019
So, I'm just sort of there going like, you know, is robot the 1st

543
00:23:07.019 --> 00:23:07.920
story that I ever saw?

544
00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:10.680
I just adored watching this from beginning to end.

545
00:23:10.740 --> 00:23:11.519
It was just fresh.

546
00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:13.200
He was vibrant.

547
00:23:13.259 --> 00:23:15.720
There were just things and the robot and the sympathy I felt for

548
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.480
the robot and it's and how conflicted it was.

549
00:23:18.539 --> 00:23:19.920
Like I'd forgotten all of that stuff.

550
00:23:19.980 --> 00:23:21.960
Doesn't it look beautiful too?

551
00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.599
Oh, even it may not move quite as beautiful.

552
00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.299
So, you know, I actually think Jim Mattressson, is it?

553
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:28.019
Yeah, 0 yes.

554
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:29.039
Yeah, it's gym mattress.

555
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:31.079
It is, yes, Oscar Award winning.

556
00:23:31.140 --> 00:23:32.880
And Jenny Laird award-winning.

557
00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:34.200
Oh, Jim, actress.

558
00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:39.299
But on the other hand, Todd, I actually think that this story is

559
00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:40.500
kind of terrible as well.

560
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:44.759
And part of the reason for it, and maybe the biggest reason for it

561
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.779
is Kettlewell, because you remember when Kettlewell last appeared

562
00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:50.339
when the actor last appeared on the show?

563
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:54.180
Yes, Edward Burnham as Professor Watkins in the invasion.

564
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.900
And do you remember that scene where Tobias Vaughan kind of tries

565
00:23:57.900 --> 00:24:00.960
to provoke Watkins into killing him?

566
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.900
And there's some actual proper acting and all of that sort of

567
00:24:03.900 --> 00:24:04.079
thing.

568
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:08.400
But in the intervening time, he's just turned into just an absurd

569
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:09.240
caricature.

570
00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:11.819
And he's so important to the plot.

571
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.480
And I think his role in the plot is absolutely unbelievably

572
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:16.559
muddled as well.

573
00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:19.259
Like, I can't tell what's going on.

574
00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.380
He looks really distressed when the robot turns up at his house

575
00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:26.279
and he's surprised and all of that sort of thing and when the

576
00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:29.579
robot explains to him what's been being done to him at think tank

577
00:24:29.579 --> 00:24:31.859
he goes, oh, no, you know, all of that sort of thing.

578
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.400
But then it turns out that scene's an a complete cheat because he

579
00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:37.920
was actually in on it the entire time.

580
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.039
And the only way that we can work that out, you know, the audience

581
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:42.359
can't possibly work that out.

582
00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:43.380
We've got no way of knowing.

583
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:45.299
Tom works it out in his sleep.

584
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:46.559
Do you know what I mean?

585
00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:50.519
And then, and then comes to and says, oh, you know, no one else

586
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:54.059
could possibly have reprogrammed the robot, even though we saw

587
00:24:54.059 --> 00:24:57.180
inner scene Hilda and Jellicoe doing just that.

588
00:24:57.420 --> 00:25:00.299
So the story is a mess.

589
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:01.200
Do you know what I mean?

590
00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:04.500
It is a giant holdover from the Pertury area.

591
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.599
Which is not, you know, not suggesting that it's wrong to have

592
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:10.140
affection for it because, of course, it's place in the history of

593
00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:10.619
the show.

594
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:14.880
It's got Tom who is just, you know, an absolute revelation and

595
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:17.160
it's got homes, you know, fixing the dialogue.

596
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:19.140
Look, I don't disagree with you.

597
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:23.220
I mean, Jellico's acting sometimes, his calculator acting is

598
00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:25.559
appalling, but he's trying to do those calculations.

599
00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:26.700
He's not fooling anybody.

600
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.000
He's not pulling me for a 2nd and he's got that wonderful bit

601
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:35.039
where he's hiding behind the robot, helping him down the steps

602
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.059
hiding acting.

603
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.420
But I was just surprised at how much I actually did enjoy this

604
00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:42.599
when I had dismissed it offhand previously.

605
00:25:42.660 --> 00:25:45.119
And so I actually did have great affection when I was watching

606
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:49.200
this and was quite surprised, but there are problems with his

607
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:53.579
character and motivation, you know, and Tom is, as you said

608
00:25:53.579 --> 00:25:57.059
Richard, it just doesn't quite fit and it becomes quite obvious

609
00:25:57.059 --> 00:26:00.000
but at the same time, I like that it doesn't quite fit because I

610
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.579
think it gives Tom the chance to shine and stamp a different

611
00:26:02.579 --> 00:26:04.140
approach to everything.

612
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.599
It really was perfect in that, wasn't it?

613
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.519
Walsh watch.

614
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:09.480
Walsh watch.

615
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:14.279
So Terry Walsh isn't credited in this story at all, but there is a

616
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:17.400
hilarious scene where the doctor's trying to persuade a guard to

617
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.500
let him into the scientific reform society.

618
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:20.099
Yes.

619
00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:22.559
And he does that thing. you know, where he gets out his wallet and

620
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:24.359
he's got the freedom of the city of Skaro.

621
00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:26.339
Who gave him that, the darlet?

622
00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:29.400
And, you know, the he's a member of the Alpha Centauri table

623
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:33.299
tennis club, and it's been observed before that if they have 6

624
00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:35.819
arms, why do they get 6 table tennis bats?

625
00:26:35.819 --> 00:26:37.680
Because 2 armed people only get one.

626
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:40.440
Why don't they have 3 table tennis spots?

627
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:40.859
But whatever.

628
00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:44.220
And but the person that he's trying to bamboozle into allowing him

629
00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:45.599
in is Terry Walsh.

630
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:50.039
And Terry Walsh is the recipient of the very 1st Tom Baker scarf

631
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:54.480
trick, so where he accidentally freds on Tom Scarf and Todd yanks

632
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:55.259
it out of the way.

633
00:26:55.259 --> 00:26:58.259
And the falls and her, which is why it's Terry Walsh.

634
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.920
And he also does this excellent dive over the top of Tom.

635
00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:05.819
While Tom is standing on a higher level to him bending over, then

636
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:07.619
turns around and gets Tom in an arm lock.

637
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.160
You know, it's really a very, very good stunt, considering it also

638
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.039
looks like it was done in one take with no cuts whatsoever.

639
00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:15.180
It would have been too.

640
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.799
Walsh was great with all of them.

641
00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:20.279
The last thing I want to mention is actually related to that, that

642
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.519
scene at the Scientific Reform Society meeting, with, of course

643
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.819
their wonderful emblem that is not only designed to look like the

644
00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:29.819
robot's head, but also to sort of resemble a reflected

645
00:27:29.819 --> 00:27:30.660
swashticker.

646
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:37.200
Terence Dix had been writing with Mac Hulk long before they turned

647
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:39.359
in the war games together.

648
00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:46.380
And in fact, in the 196263 season of The Avengers, when it was

649
00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:49.980
Patrick McNee and Honour Blackman in the starring roles.

650
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:53.460
They wrote a story together called The Mauritius Penny, which is

651
00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:57.839
about a group called New Rule, who wanted to overtake the UK and

652
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.619
Europe, and run it along scientific principles.

653
00:28:01.859 --> 00:28:07.019
The 3rd episode of Robot, the scenes in that, the way they are

654
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:11.400
written, the way they are shot, is so close to the Mauritius Penny

655
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.180
which is also one of the best black and white videotape Avengers.

656
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:15.779
Both episodes.

657
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:18.180
Top fan favourite of that.

658
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.700
I mean, when I used to run my Avengers blog, I think I put it

659
00:28:20.700 --> 00:28:23.339
either 1st or 2nd for that season.

660
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:24.660
It's so strong.

661
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.000
Do track it down if you can, if you can, folks.

662
00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:30.059
It's not available on DVD in Australia, but is available in the UK

663
00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:34.380
and the US is part of the complete 2nd season and often on YouTube

664
00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:35.160
or Vimeo.

665
00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:36.299
Should we mention do we have time?

666
00:28:36.539 --> 00:28:39.480
All those things actually came from a regal organisation called

667
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.140
technocracy, which developed in the US straight after the war, and

668
00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:45.539
a lot of 2nd rate scientists, as they were viewed by everybody

669
00:28:45.539 --> 00:28:45.900
else.

670
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.920
And they wanted to streamlined logical lifestyle based on

671
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:51.660
pseudoscientific rational principles.

672
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:53.160
They wore gray suits.

673
00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:55.740
It's really just craft work without the great tune.

674
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:59.700
They drove a model of gray car, all the same.

675
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.940
But there is actually a C.S. Lewis novel called that hideous

676
00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:06.000
strength, which was written during the war, that said immediately

677
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.240
after it, which has the National Institute of Coordinated

678
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.539
experiments, which is a cross between think tank and the

679
00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:14.339
scientific reform society.

680
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.920
So it is a thing that was in the air.

681
00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:19.380
It's not quite as crazy as it seems to have seen.

682
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.579
He loves suicide.

683
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:23.940
Yeah, he's top of my enemies list at the moment. enemies.

684
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:26.460
There's 2 things that we need really to talk about, I think, before

685
00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:27.180
we wrap it up.

686
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:28.200
One is the tank.

687
00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:30.000
I love the tank.

688
00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:30.660
I love the tank.

689
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:31.319
I love the tank.

690
00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:33.420
I don't really have a problem with it.

691
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:36.119
I don't I think it looks a lot better than a lot of the model work

692
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:37.079
in the Pertwee era.

693
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.180
And the shot is quite clever.

694
00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:40.740
The shot is on the robot.

695
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.839
The shot is a boy...

696
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:43.740
I accepted as a kid.

697
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.119
As a boy, I thought fantastic.

698
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:46.440
We were a bit of Thunderbirds moments.

699
00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:47.640
We do need to talk about the Tories.

700
00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:48.420
What did you think of that?

701
00:29:48.539 --> 00:29:49.079
terrible.

702
00:29:49.859 --> 00:29:53.519
And then there's the end, and I think the end is really, really

703
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.200
just lovely.

704
00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.539
So you get the scene with Tom and Sarah.

705
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.660
And Sarah is genuinely upset.

706
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:02.579
Is Sarah still as the 6 inch dolly?

707
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:03.539
No, okay.

708
00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:08.339
Okay, that's that's a jingly jingly leg.

709
00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:12.240
And she's then placed on that matte painting of the chimney

710
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.099
like...

711
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.460
She's granted the photo. was a reshoot as well.

712
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.559
They weren't happy with the original version.

713
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.200
Jenny Lader award nominated.

714
00:30:22.259 --> 00:30:25.440
Todd is the only one here who's spent some reasonable amount of

715
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:26.700
time with Liz Sladden.

716
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.059
But Liz did say, and I'm quoting this now, they did very rude

717
00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:33.000
things with that Sarah Dolly after that, nothing to do with me, of

718
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:35.759
course, and she does include Terry Walsh in that.

719
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:38.220
Do you remember her telling that story to the conventions anyway?

720
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.500
So I just, I had no idea.

721
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.559
This is why it's never worked turned up at any of the auctions.

722
00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:45.240
Oh my god.

723
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:48.480
Anyway, I want to...

724
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.059
That last heartwarming...

725
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:51.660
Thank you, Richard.

726
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.220
I mean, on top of the head of red coon.

727
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:54.720
No, no, we passed that.

728
00:30:54.779 --> 00:30:56.039
We passed her right bucket off.

729
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:01.259
She's genuinely upset. by the destruction of the robot and it's

730
00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:04.019
terribly sweet and Tom doesn't, you know, for all his sort of

731
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:06.900
alien quirkiness, he really takes it on board and tries to comfort

732
00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:07.200
her.

733
00:31:07.259 --> 00:31:11.460
And he does say, you know, it was a great invention or something

734
00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:13.559
capable of great good or great evil.

735
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.200
You know, I guess you could say.

736
00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:16.680
It was human.

737
00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:18.119
And I think that's that's terrifically nice.

738
00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:18.960
It's great isn't it?

739
00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:19.920
Yeah, what we were trying to say.

740
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:21.900
And then, you know, you've got Harry coming in.

741
00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:23.220
And would you like a jelly baby?

742
00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:24.359
The 1st time he ever says it.

743
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:24.900
Yeah, you know?

744
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.440
And the ticket to the TARDIS is the jelly baby.

745
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:31.019
They trick him into going.

746
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.839
They're having a little more show.

747
00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:36.539
That's why that coat was definitely worn by the 2nd doctor.

748
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.579
Yeah, because there's something else that comes up later in the

749
00:31:41.579 --> 00:31:42.539
season to indicate that.

750
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:44.039
For his costume.

751
00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:47.759
I do think, though, that the alternate costume is he tries on the

752
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.859
clown and the barbarian and the king of hearts.

753
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:51.240
He's already chosen what he wants to wear.

754
00:31:51.299 --> 00:31:53.160
He's just doing the pattern.

755
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.220
I'm suggesting something completely outrageous. a little bit of

756
00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:59.039
Tootie, Tootie Flying Dutchman when he comes out in the Wagner

757
00:31:59.039 --> 00:31:59.400
hat.

758
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It's great The space that space helmet for a cow.

759
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Space helmet for a cat.

760
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It's already in the opening titles, but nobody's going to.

761
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That's true, isn't it?

762
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Well spotted, Todd.

763
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Well, that's all the time we have for Robot, but just before we go

764
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I do have to issue a correction for something one of the said last

765
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episode.

766
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:28.740
It was Richard.

767
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:29.640
Yeah, it was me probably.

768
00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:30.539
It was me, actually.

769
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For my jet...

770
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:38.339
For my Jenny Laird award, I gave it to the creative team behind

771
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the mutants because I was asking why Christopher Barry was invited

772
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back after such a long time away to direct such a problematic

773
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story. completely overlooking the fact that he'd done a bloody

774
00:32:48.299 --> 00:32:52.859
great job on the Damons 3 stories before that.

775
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.880
So, you know, I was saying he hadn't been directing since Power of

776
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:58.980
the Daleks, he hasn't done a colour Doctor Who.

777
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.000
He hasn't worked for Barry Letts.

778
00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:01.920
Of course he has, and he's produced one of the most critically

779
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acclaimed ones.

780
00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:05.940
So we can finally accept the mutants as in the top 5 per week.

781
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We've never we've never issued a correction before.

782
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.319
Is that because we've never said anything wrong before?

783
00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:11.160
That's correct.

784
00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:13.259
It's because it would take up an entire episode.

785
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In 31 episodes, I think that's quite a great achievement.

786
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So, folks, as I said, that's the end of today's episode.

787
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Please come back next week where we'll be discussing where we will

788
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be discussing packaging materials as alien threats in the arcade

789
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:28.920
space.

790
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In the meantime, don't forget, you can find us online at

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flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and

792
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.019
iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter.

793
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.799
We're also still after reviews on our iTunes, because I put out a

794
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.920
call for it about 2 episodes ago and I don't think any new reviews

795
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have appeared.

796
00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:45.660
Not being needy.

797
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:47.700
I'm being incredibly needy, please review us.

798
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:49.319
Please, please, please review us.

799
00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:50.940
There might be something in it for you.

800
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Thank you.

801
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.599
Thank you very much and good night.

802
00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:55.319
Good night.

803
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Good night.

804
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See you soon.

805
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.779
You're listening to Flight Your Entirety.

806
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Todd Burby, Nathan Buffy, Brendan Jones, and Richard Stone.

807
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This episode, Quentin Chris Duckface, was recorded on Sunday, the

808
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14th of June.

809
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The next episode will be released on June 29th.

810
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.360
The Doctor's Sporting Prowess does rather raise the question, how

811
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many ping pong balls are in play in a game without the Centurion

812
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table tennis.

813
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.960
Hello and welcome back to the 1st episode of the weekly Flight

814
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Through Entirety.

815
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I excited myself just then.

816
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Okay.