WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:10:26 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:38.820 Hello and welcome back to the 1st episode of the new improved weekly Flightthrough Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who knows why a mouse is when it spins. 2 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:39.479 I'm Brendan. 3 00:00:39.539 --> 00:00:40.500 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:44.340 I'm a lovely bucket of squidgy CSO glamour. 5 00:00:44.340 --> 00:00:45.119 So, Richard. 6 00:00:45.179 --> 00:00:45.359 Hello. 7 00:00:45.420 --> 00:00:48.659 And I'm back from Ketterwell hairdressers. 8 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:50.399 One style fits all. 9 00:00:50.460 --> 00:00:51.780 And don't I look a treat? 10 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:57.600 Yes, that's, that's, that's certainly a word. 11 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:01.799 No need for any of us to floss at this time. 12 00:01:01.859 --> 00:01:09.180 No, indeed, because we're about to see the 4th doctor in action for the 1st time in robot. 13 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:21.420 So, this is the first story for the new doctor, and, indeed, the doctor who, for many people, This is their doctor. 14 00:01:21.540 --> 00:01:24.840 When you talk to people who aren't huge Doctor Who fans. 15 00:01:24.900 --> 00:01:28.500 Mostly the one they remember is Tom Baker. 16 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:33.540 And yeah, so we pick up right from the end of Planet of the Spiders. 17 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:37.560 We have a reprise of the regeneration scene, which is the 1st time this has happened. 18 00:01:37.620 --> 00:01:39.900 There was no reprise in Power of the Daleks. 19 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:44.879 There was no reprise in Spearhead, obviously, because it would have been black and white to film. 20 00:01:44.939 --> 00:01:51.719 It's like a cliffhanger between seasons with the same kind of with the same kind of carryover. 21 00:01:51.780 --> 00:02:00.659 And straight away, Tom shows himself to be a very different character with sort of his random outbursts of dialogue. 22 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:03.480 It's like the opposite of an exposition coma. 23 00:02:03.540 --> 00:02:05.640 The sort of nonsense and nonsense. 24 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:07.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 25 00:02:07.260 --> 00:02:09.360 It's a it's a non-sequitoc coma. 26 00:02:09.419 --> 00:02:13.139 And we did the ATHD drug of choice. 27 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.840 This is a very odd story, isn't it? 28 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:23.039 Because watching them all again, and having seen them as a wee time tot, It's not a Tom story. 29 00:02:23.099 --> 00:02:39.000 It's a pertly story with a pertly crowd written by Pertly's own Terence Dix and doesn't Tom go in like a mistimed cog in a spring in a wheel that doesn't click and makes the whole works shebang and fall apart just by his mere presence and they can never go back. 30 00:02:39.060 --> 00:02:40.319 It's proof positive. 31 00:02:40.379 --> 00:02:41.879 They can never do it the old way again. 32 00:02:41.939 --> 00:02:45.599 This doctor does not fit in the old form and he won't allow it. 33 00:02:45.659 --> 00:02:50.280 At the same time, though, Robert Holmes had essentially been scripted for the last 3 stories. 34 00:02:50.340 --> 00:02:51.539 That's true, Death to the Daleks. 35 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:53.340 It's very strongly Bob stories. 36 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:54.900 He doesn't fix this story, though. 37 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:56.099 I mean, it is still stupid. 38 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:58.080 Well, it's still a Terrence story. 39 00:02:58.139 --> 00:02:59.759 I'll come back to that in the moment. 40 00:02:59.819 --> 00:03:13.979 But Robert Holmes describes the situation as he was shadowing in inverted commas, Terrence Dix, which meant he was sitting in Terrence Dix's office working on the last 3 stories and twice a week, Terrence Dix would poke his head around the door and say, everything all right? 41 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:15.120 Aspirin's in the top drawer. 42 00:03:15.180 --> 00:03:15.599 You're fine. 43 00:03:15.659 --> 00:03:23.580 But where this story, I think, really starts to show straight away that there's a new production team coming in. 44 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:24.719 Of course it's still produced by Barry. 45 00:03:24.780 --> 00:03:35.099 It's still written by Terrence, is the filmic influence of the story, because Bob Holmes said to Terrence, when Terrence said, oh, I'll white your 1st story, Bob. 46 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:39.120 Bob Holmes said, I want a King Kong style story. 47 00:03:39.180 --> 00:03:49.560 And as we'll discover over the next 3 years, something that's really big for the Holmes Hinchcliffe combination, naked, naked stuff from films. 48 00:03:49.620 --> 00:03:51.060 And that happens. 49 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:57.659 Didn't they also say they wanted a sentimental provocateur, a sentimental monster. 50 00:03:57.780 --> 00:04:13.199 So it wasn't just that they were also looking at Shelley's true Frankenstein, and that there's intimacy, and therefore, between the Pearl White character, who is, you know, now we know, definitely, you know, Sarah Jane was cast as Pearl White, with a veneer, with a character. 51 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:14.099 Pearl White. 52 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:14.340 Okay. 53 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:20.579 Because McAe Ray's character in Pearl White is the girl always getting tied to the train tracks in all those silent. 54 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:22.560 Penelope Pit Stop crying. 55 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:26.160 That was definitely ripped off on the pearl white character. 56 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:32.759 So if we go back to the sign of the era, She was the girl who was always being tied in her bloomers to the railway tracks. 57 00:04:32.819 --> 00:04:38.100 Because, I mean, if it was from the original King Kong, which is already kind of really problematic racially. 58 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.199 The fact that they raise character as well. 59 00:04:40.259 --> 00:04:41.279 And Hitler's favourite film. 60 00:04:41.339 --> 00:04:42.959 I'm not at all surprised. 61 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.000 Allegedly. 62 00:04:45.060 --> 00:04:46.980 Because he really loved it. 63 00:04:47.939 --> 00:04:51.360 This is more than just King Kong, though, isn't it, if we look at it? 64 00:04:51.420 --> 00:04:56.879 I mean, okay, we all get it that there's the protagonist that has a soul. 65 00:04:56.939 --> 00:05:03.839 But this is actually, and we're looking over at Brendan's lovely credenza at the moment. gentle listener to Gort. 66 00:05:03.899 --> 00:05:04.860 The fabulous score. 67 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.519 From the day the earth stood still, 1950, George Pells. 68 00:05:08.579 --> 00:05:11.160 And really it's just Super Jesus 911, isn't it? 69 00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:12.600 Apologies to American listeners. 70 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:14.819 But every damn Superman film we've seen. 71 00:05:14.939 --> 00:05:20.040 Every superfilm we've seen now is the world covered in pumice and a superhero really just playing. 72 00:05:20.100 --> 00:05:23.040 Michael Rennie was ill the day of the earth stood still. 73 00:05:23.100 --> 00:05:24.779 And he played Mr. Carpenter. 74 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:25.379 Did you get it? 75 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:26.040 Did you get it? 76 00:05:26.100 --> 00:05:29.759 And Gorge is definitely the K1 robot, but without a soul. 77 00:05:29.819 --> 00:05:31.500 So we're really just looking at, ooh. 78 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:33.540 Are we getting a bit Nietzschean here? 79 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.639 We're allowed to use terms like that. 80 00:05:35.699 --> 00:05:37.560 Certainly with the character of Hilda Winters. 81 00:05:37.620 --> 00:05:38.759 Yes, we can even. 82 00:05:38.819 --> 00:05:47.759 I think this story is the Nietzsche one because we'll get to a lot of Jacques La Khan later in the season and Mr. Hinchcliffe himself as referenced Jacques La Khan in several times in interviews. 83 00:05:47.819 --> 00:06:04.560 And that's the dissonance and the delay of the fear, the object of horror, and the actual death, or the object of horror witnessed, lived with before the resolution, is the elongation of terror, and elongation of fear. 84 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.420 Do you mean to that later? 85 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:08.399 Not seeing the monster until the end of episode one. 86 00:06:08.459 --> 00:06:09.720 Everyone's glazing over us. 87 00:06:09.779 --> 00:06:11.220 We'll get you at another point. 88 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.259 Yeah, to clarify that. 89 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:14.879 I have no idea what you were talking about. 90 00:06:14.939 --> 00:06:43.259 Well, the point the point with this one is that you've got the larger than, um, antagonist who's the kind of a super ego, who's kind of the man at his worst, but also revealing underneath that there's the transition, there's the chance for, for redemption in that he's not actually, just like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, who was the 1st one to do it, is that there is actually opportunity for redemption. 91 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:44.279 Yes. 92 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.339 And the tragedy is that that is generally not conceived. 93 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.439 The narrative doesn't allow that to happen. 94 00:06:49.800 --> 00:07:04.860 What I found so interesting about watching this story was that, as you mentioned earlier, Richard, it's clearly still a unit story, it's clearly playing with the John Pertley toy box, if you like, of having unit and having this homegrown threat and what have you. 95 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.160 But I think that's such a good idea. 96 00:07:08.339 --> 00:07:14.220 Because it gives the audience something familiar for the new doctor to be different against. 97 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:16.139 So it immediately defines his character. 98 00:07:16.259 --> 00:07:18.720 I agree completely with you, Brendan. 99 00:07:18.779 --> 00:07:24.240 I think, at this point in time, Doctor Who has a solid audience of 8 to 9.5 million viewers every week. 100 00:07:24.300 --> 00:07:28.620 You know, for big events, they're getting an extra 100000000 and a half. 101 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:34.379 Here, you've got, in this regeneration story, you've got the familiar elements of the brigadier Benton. 102 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:40.259 Sarah's been in the show for a year and she's the main protagonist to the whole story. 103 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:48.540 You've got all of these elements supporting a new doctor and allowing him to put his own sort of mark on things and how they react to his differences. 104 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:53.639 What I really like about this is the fact that the brigadier and Benton are actually so accepting, right? 105 00:07:53.699 --> 00:07:55.199 Which is actually very warm and lovely. 106 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:58.259 And Sarah, she's not angsty or anything like that. 107 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.980 But it's really interesting watching Elizabeth Staten's reactions. 108 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:09.000 She's very positive, but she's sort of watching Tom and how, what he's going to say and you think that Sarah's about to jump in like she would with per tweet. 109 00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:10.139 Like we do on this podcast. 110 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:17.639 But then you sort of see her then relax and sort of smile and joke and sort of you go along with it. 111 00:08:17.699 --> 00:08:18.720 So you're accepting of it. 112 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:25.319 It's actually her reactions and how Sarah reacts to the new doctor, which I really loved in this. 113 00:08:25.379 --> 00:08:46.919 Do you know, one of the things, though, that I think is odd is that really no one says anything very much, you know, beyond episode one and beyond just when he gets up and gets in his new outfit and that he's just the doctor and no one really remarks ever again on the fact that he's sort of changed his appearance and no one sort of feels odd about it. 114 00:08:46.980 --> 00:08:49.620 You see, I would disagree with that. 115 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:57.899 Certainly, okay, they don't say it, but Nick's performance against Tom is so different compared to his performance against Pertwee. 116 00:08:57.960 --> 00:08:58.740 There is a distrust there. 117 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:00.299 I can see it too. 118 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.620 Yeah, and I actually thought that in a number of scenes, Nick's reactions here are very different. 119 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:08.279 He looks very uncomfortable at times with what the doctor is doing. 120 00:09:08.340 --> 00:09:11.279 So I can see my contract ending. 121 00:09:11.340 --> 00:09:14.159 Can I bring up Sandra for the 1st time in the podcast? 122 00:09:14.220 --> 00:09:16.139 I think you go have a drink, boys? 123 00:09:16.259 --> 00:09:29.100 Sandoval just says that what's happening is you bring back the unit people as a kind of transition thing, but the effect of it is, Tom just acts them all off the screen is literally what he says. 124 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:32.460 And so suddenly it becomes clear that we don't need unit. 125 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:39.899 As Richard said, the contract is about to end. in fact, this recording block, which ends with terror of the Zygons. 126 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:44.220 You know, we don't get unit ever really again in that sort of same role. 127 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:44.759 No, indeed. 128 00:09:44.820 --> 00:09:45.480 Indeed. 129 00:09:45.539 --> 00:09:47.220 We don't get the brigadier again, do we? 130 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:50.519 Not, not, yeah, no, it's mysteriously unavailable. 131 00:09:50.580 --> 00:09:51.840 I never blame him. 132 00:09:51.899 --> 00:09:53.100 Yeah, no, he's engineering. 133 00:09:53.100 --> 00:09:57.240 He's sulking away with Doris in that mock Tudor get up somewhere in them. 134 00:09:57.299 --> 00:10:05.820 Well, you know, I, I, I do, I do wonder about the Brigandoris, this is just the 1st of several stupid observations of mine this season. 135 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:13.860 When the doctor is trying to remember who the brigady is, he compares him 1st to Hannibal and then Alexander the Great. 136 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.279 And of course, what he's actually doing is comparing him to great military leaders. 137 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:21.120 It's a really good step in their relationship because he's flattering him in a way. 138 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.720 Great generals who slept with other warriors. 139 00:10:24.779 --> 00:10:25.679 Well, exactly. 140 00:10:25.740 --> 00:10:27.779 They're both history's famous bisexuals. 141 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:31.379 In the scene right after Sarah Jane has called a drink? 142 00:10:31.379 --> 00:10:32.820 The brigadier, a swinger. 143 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:36.179 Yes. 144 00:10:36.179 --> 00:10:39.299 Something very clear in 1974, boys and girls. 145 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:40.019 Where is your car keys? 146 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:46.019 Wasn't the brigadier very keen to stifle any talk of Doris a few weeks ago? 147 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:47.940 Inplanet of the spiders? 148 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.440 Yeah, I, you know, I think he and Doris have a very stable... 149 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:53.759 They have a very stable... 150 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:59.940 They're usually working down the docks as a stevedore, which is 6 foot three with a big massive beard, much like Todd's hair. 151 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:00.720 That's no way. 152 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:03.480 That's no way to talk about Angela Douglas. 153 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.899 Do we remember Angela Douglas from the carry-ons? 154 00:11:07.379 --> 00:11:09.600 Wasn't she miraculous in that? 155 00:11:09.659 --> 00:11:16.620 And of course, one of our old... of our old picks of the week, Daleks versus Meekon, the trailer. 156 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:17.759 She's been co-opted into that. 157 00:11:17.820 --> 00:11:18.840 And you know what? 158 00:11:19.740 --> 00:11:21.000 We're getting ahead of ourselves. 159 00:11:21.059 --> 00:11:22.500 When she finally appears in Doctor Who. 160 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:24.360 She's hardly bloody age in 20 years. 161 00:11:24.419 --> 00:11:25.440 She looks magnificent. 162 00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:27.539 Much like everyone in this thing too. 163 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:28.740 Don't you love Benton? 164 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:35.940 Don't you look at them and think, this is this lovely Indian summer purple twilit thing of saying goodbye to old friends and you do love them, don't you? 165 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:37.679 Well, he gets a promotion, doesn't he? 166 00:11:37.740 --> 00:11:39.120 get to be Mr. Benton. from now. 167 00:11:39.179 --> 00:11:39.899 Yes, Mr. Benton. 168 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:41.220 RSM. 169 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.320 The thing that we've completely not mentioned at all is, you know what I mean? 170 00:11:46.379 --> 00:11:47.519 Harry Sullivan. 171 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:49.740 We kept the best to last, didn't we? 172 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.379 Todd, well, how do you reckon Harry fits in? 173 00:11:52.500 --> 00:11:53.700 He's so immediate. 174 00:11:54.120 --> 00:12:01.019 He's so immediate, and he's Tom's new buddy, and that's evident in this run of stories. 175 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.179 Do you think it would have worked as well without Harry? 176 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:03.960 I really don't. 177 00:12:04.379 --> 00:12:04.980 No, no. 178 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:12.600 And I know that Harry was brought in because I think about casting an older actor, that famous story about Richard Hearn thinking they wanted him to play it like Mr. Pastry. 179 00:12:12.659 --> 00:12:16.019 And we had Mr. Moody, the lovely Ron Moody, which are late. 180 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:17.759 Yeah. 181 00:12:17.820 --> 00:12:18.779 Just past this week. 182 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.360 And well, he could have been, I believe, 3 doctors. 183 00:12:21.419 --> 00:12:22.740 I think he was in the running for... 184 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:25.740 He could have done his own 3 and four. special. 185 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:27.299 Imagine the money they would have sold. 186 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:27.960 Yeah exactly. 187 00:12:28.019 --> 00:12:38.879 Ian Martyr was brought in to be the man of action against the older doctor, much like the same reason that Richard Franklin was brought in before they suddenly realised, hold on, busting something. 188 00:12:38.940 --> 00:12:41.279 One is not really a man of action. 189 00:12:41.340 --> 00:12:44.039 Two, you don't need a man of action with pert wig. 190 00:12:44.100 --> 00:12:45.000 No, you don't. 191 00:12:45.059 --> 00:12:52.440 I actually think Richard Franklin was perfect casting because there's lots of boys who went to Sandist, who are the younger sons of clergy. 192 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:53.159 He is an officer. 193 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:57.000 Yeah, well, he's, you know, he's you as Nancy Mitchell would have said, not non-you. 194 00:12:57.059 --> 00:13:02.519 Look, he's one of the posh boys who really wasn't supposed to be there, but a lot of them come out of that military school and they're quite fain. 195 00:13:02.580 --> 00:13:04.379 They'd much rather just do etchings with other chaps. 196 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:05.519 But it ended up. 197 00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:06.179 Did you know? 198 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.720 And I think it's actually okay to reveal this now that, you know, we've gone on. 199 00:13:09.779 --> 00:13:15.659 Ian Marner was, according to, according to the studio nights. have you come across this, actually was cast, but was unavailable. 200 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:17.279 Yeah, no, we mentioned it. 201 00:13:17.340 --> 00:13:19.019 Richard Franklin was always available. 202 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:22.320 So, I mean, that to all his mates. 203 00:13:22.379 --> 00:13:24.179 I mean, he was always available to his mates. 204 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.720 And yeah, yeah, it was kind of like, okay, well, I actually think it's Sterling casting. 205 00:13:27.779 --> 00:13:29.759 Oh, yeah. of Dickie Franklin. 206 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:30.899 Yeah, you know what? 207 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:38.340 I, as I, as I, as I've detailed, nearly no one we've mentioned. 208 00:13:41.460 --> 00:13:48.360 Look, when we last saw him, he was resting in Kevin Lindsay's lap, and really, what else do we need? 209 00:13:48.899 --> 00:13:53.700 They've passed away very soon after with no reference to the a heart attack. 210 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:54.960 Well, what a way to go. 211 00:13:55.019 --> 00:13:56.519 What else do you want to say about that? 212 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:58.679 We talked about Harry. 213 00:13:58.740 --> 00:13:59.399 Yeah, Harry. 214 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:00.960 We're still on... 215 00:14:01.019 --> 00:14:03.539 As you were saying, Todd, you know, he's so immediate in that. 216 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:06.659 And to compare him to Captain Yates. 217 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:14.820 Yeah, you know, not necessarily do Richard Franklin, but when Captain Yates arrives, there's several lines of dialogue to intimate he's only been there for a few weeks. 218 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:16.980 No, no, that's not true. 219 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:19.799 I'll actually say you've been around since the other autumn thing. 220 00:14:19.860 --> 00:14:21.600 Yeah, well, he said, I'll clean up. 221 00:14:21.659 --> 00:14:22.559 I'm not cleaned up. 222 00:14:22.620 --> 00:14:27.120 But there's lots of dialogue to establish him to say, oh, Mike is this, and Mike is that. 223 00:14:27.179 --> 00:14:30.779 Whereas Harry just walks into the room and the brigadier is like, oh, thank you, Sullivan. 224 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:32.940 No, he phoned him in the previous story. 225 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:34.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 226 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:35.159 But that's what I mean. 227 00:14:35.220 --> 00:14:38.580 These are the swinger lines they used to have. 228 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:51.179 Mikey Yates is established as having been there through people saying, oh, you've been here for a while, whereas Harry Sullivan is established as having been there just because people treat him. 229 00:14:51.240 --> 00:15:03.120 Do you think it's also that Ian just has such a strong screen presence and actually matches Tom and beguilingly does the Sotto Vocce to Tom's forte forte forte, but it's actually a really lovely duality. 230 00:15:03.179 --> 00:15:06.779 Yeah, well, that Sarah is just the triumvirate that makes it stand up. 231 00:15:06.899 --> 00:15:08.639 That amazing skipping rope scene. 232 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:11.399 I mean, compare that to the fetcher tin of cocoa scene. 233 00:15:11.460 --> 00:15:23.279 You know, you've got 2 actors as equals in the skipping rope scene, whereas in the fetch tan of cocoa scene, Richard Franklin is very subservient to John Purley, because that was just the performance style. 234 00:15:23.340 --> 00:15:24.000 How it's liked it. 235 00:15:24.059 --> 00:15:30.419 But it's so obvious in so many scenes that Tom and Ian are acting their socks off. compared to Wick. 236 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.480 And Elizabeth rises to the occasion. 237 00:15:33.539 --> 00:15:34.259 You can see it. 238 00:15:34.259 --> 00:15:36.360 It's a ketterwell scene like in his office. 239 00:15:36.419 --> 00:15:43.500 And honestly, you know, the 3 of them are fantastic and Nick in the background, I'm just there going, you are struggling, Maggie. 240 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:45.960 And I'm not trying to be horrible or anything like that. 241 00:15:46.019 --> 00:15:47.100 Well, you know what? 242 00:15:47.220 --> 00:15:48.179 They've got a lot to deal with. 243 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:53.100 We haven't mentioned the theme song in the room. wrote this theme song, saying the thing. 244 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:54.360 Miss Winters. 245 00:15:54.419 --> 00:15:55.980 We haven't mentioned this one. 246 00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:04.500 I think it's very difficult for the male supporting cast to actually do anything, but gays in mute admiration at the stoic presence that is Patricia Maynard. 247 00:16:04.620 --> 00:16:08.940 Writer of the Mindor thing. and girlfriend of Dennis Waterman at the time. 248 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:09.720 Is that true? 249 00:16:09.779 --> 00:16:11.220 That is absolutely true. 250 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:12.480 Mother of Hannah Waterman. 251 00:16:12.539 --> 00:16:13.139 In fact. 252 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:14.100 Yes, yeah. 253 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:15.419 I'm gonna go out there. 254 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:20.639 This is possibly Doctor Who's strongest feminist story to date. 255 00:16:20.700 --> 00:16:29.700 And also probably its most reviling in that everyone who's a feminist is a horrible, horrible villain monster who's humourous and cold. 256 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.039 And although they do have nice cloak, nice boots. 257 00:16:32.100 --> 00:16:39.960 Well, I think you can also construe as feminist, that none of the men treat Miss Winters negatively because she is a woman. 258 00:16:40.019 --> 00:16:41.820 Only Sarah does. 259 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:43.500 Only, only Sarah does. 260 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:47.940 I think she gets pulled up on that one. 261 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:49.559 Yeah, she gets pulled up bullion. 262 00:16:49.620 --> 00:16:57.659 And the thing is, you sort of look at Sarah and Sarah is a strong, independent woman in a man's world, which is why she assumes a man is in charge. 263 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:59.159 She doesn't really meet many women. 264 00:16:59.220 --> 00:17:00.840 I mean, this. 265 00:17:00.899 --> 00:17:04.980 There will be 3 speaking women in the entire... 266 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:08.039 The last one she met was Queen the Nera. 267 00:17:08.099 --> 00:17:10.799 Oh, I've just realised you're right. terrible. really, really terrible. 268 00:17:10.859 --> 00:17:16.319 And so she's actually met one of these women things that she's hardly at the times across. 269 00:17:16.380 --> 00:17:18.420 She got on well with Queen Filira. 270 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:18.839 She did. 271 00:17:18.900 --> 00:17:21.960 She taught she taught her to bite her enemies. 272 00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:28.019 Which is funny when you think of her successor in the companion role. 273 00:17:28.140 --> 00:17:45.900 But it's so worth commenting on the strong women in this storyline because of its basis in King Kong, where Fey Ray's role was as a mother and a nurturing figure to Kong and to be captured and to be used as a commodity and what have you, whereas. 274 00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:47.759 And Tricia Neal in Day the Earth stood still. 275 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:48.660 And Patricia Neal. 276 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:53.640 But she played it, again, that's a lovely role, if you haven't seen the film, because she plays it as a highly intelligent woman. 277 00:17:53.759 --> 00:18:02.579 Well, see, that's exactly what Sarah and Miss Winters are. especially with Sarah's sympathy for the robot. 278 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:11.400 Now, that's also very mothering, but it goes from being a mothering and nurturing idea, to being a discussion about the nature of intelligence and sentience. 279 00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:15.240 And it's Sarah and Miss Winters leading that discussion in the storyline. 280 00:18:15.299 --> 00:18:16.799 It's not really curtable. 281 00:18:16.859 --> 00:18:20.220 It's Miss Winters, who is the Dr. Frankenstein in Frankenstein. 282 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:21.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 283 00:18:21.059 --> 00:18:21.779 In this one. 284 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:22.440 Exactly. 285 00:18:22.500 --> 00:18:24.599 Young Frankenstein had been out. 286 00:18:24.660 --> 00:18:26.400 Kevin Well is Igor. 287 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:27.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 288 00:18:27.420 --> 00:18:28.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 289 00:18:28.259 --> 00:18:29.099 And who's Jellicoe? 290 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:30.660 Jellicoe was almost Colin Baker. 291 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:31.920 He was, Will, yes. 292 00:18:33.059 --> 00:18:34.799 Can you imagine? 293 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:37.559 In an Ian Marto and Richard Franklin kind of way. 294 00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:39.599 Colin Baker was picked for the pub, but wasn't available. 295 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:41.819 So we got we got Alec Lindstead Insted. 296 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:48.180 I like that he's got that lovely thing when gingers were terribly rare in the 70s because they didn't have the penicillas that we have now, so they didn't live very long. 297 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.799 You didn't get it from me. 298 00:18:49.859 --> 00:18:51.000 Oh, it's true. 299 00:18:51.059 --> 00:18:51.660 It's true. 300 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:52.980 They were all expiring. 301 00:18:52.980 --> 00:18:54.900 That anaphylactic shock. 302 00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:56.519 In those days. 303 00:18:56.579 --> 00:18:58.680 You couldn't open a jar of peanut butter without seeing it. 304 00:18:58.740 --> 00:19:00.539 A ginger collapse. 305 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.000 I could have crushed biscuits. 306 00:19:03.059 --> 00:19:04.440 Are you confusing? 307 00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:06.660 Are you confusing gingers with ginger nuts? 308 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:07.920 Same difference, really? 309 00:19:07.980 --> 00:19:09.119 and stop that. 310 00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:09.960 It's a family. 311 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:12.599 No, you gonna say something? 312 00:19:12.660 --> 00:19:17.819 I just wanted to say that Jellicoe, of course, is coded as gay in the novelisation by Terrence. 313 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:20.700 A bit like Professor Whittaker. 314 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:21.900 His musical theatre? 315 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:27.539 No, his overly trendy and fashionable in his dress for someone of his age. 316 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:31.380 So he takes a little bit too much care in his appearance. 317 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:36.960 And I can't think why else Terrence would mention that detail. except to try and code him as gay. 318 00:19:37.019 --> 00:19:38.099 And because he has to die. 319 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.759 No, no, well, he doesn't he doesn't die. he doesn't die, interestingly. 320 00:19:41.819 --> 00:19:43.259 He just disappears off the narrative. 321 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:46.079 You have to explain why he's subordinate to a woman, you see. 322 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:49.619 Oh, and he can only be subordinate to a woman if he's a homosexual woman. 323 00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:50.579 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 324 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:51.720 Thanks, Terence. 325 00:19:51.779 --> 00:19:54.000 I knew he'd get that in somewhere. yeah. 326 00:19:54.059 --> 00:19:55.559 We still love him. 327 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:01.319 Well, it's just been announced this week that Sam Smith is singing the new bond theme. 328 00:20:01.619 --> 00:20:03.960 Oh, it's got to be Bassy. 329 00:20:04.019 --> 00:20:07.259 But Sam's Sam Smith is an homosexual. 330 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:08.039 Oh, okay. 331 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.819 So you're doing it as Dame Shirley, baby. as Dame Shirley Bassing. 332 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.180 And also, I doubt he'll be whistling in the theme, of course, for the new... 333 00:20:15.299 --> 00:20:16.319 No, Squiz can't whistle. 334 00:20:16.380 --> 00:20:17.880 Ian, who said that? 335 00:20:17.940 --> 00:20:32.279 Ian Fleming, but it was actually a great open myth at the time that if you were homotexual, you couldn't whistle, which is why there's that scene between... amazing when you consider Quentin Chris Duckface. whistle It's actually so weird. 336 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:33.839 No, I just don't get it. 337 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:36.539 Do you know they actually put it down to the oblation of the palate? 338 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:42.180 I have a confession to make is that when I came to watch this, I had to actually unwrap it out of its plastic. 339 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:49.140 In fact, every single season that I'd actually watched thus far, I've had to actually unwrap at least 2 or 3 stories. 340 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:50.220 Oh, goodness. 341 00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:51.119 Like that many. 342 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:53.940 I just couldn't believe it Todgers refresh. 343 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:54.960 Except for season seven. 344 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:59.519 That's probably why I like season seven, so... 345 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:03.000 I actually put the DVD in and then I pushed play. 346 00:21:03.420 --> 00:21:06.000 And I had absolute chills. 347 00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:14.039 Like as that 2 side bars go into the TARDIS block, I was just like, you know, literally shaking. 348 00:21:14.099 --> 00:21:20.400 I just couldn't believe the sort of response I was having to watching this story again and. 349 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:29.819 It's like when the show came back in 96 when you heard the theme again, you just goosebumps that you got, and I just have had it watching this entire run of stories. 350 00:21:29.819 --> 00:21:35.039 You guys have all talked about the 1st stories that you have watched and you can remember. 351 00:21:35.099 --> 00:21:38.759 And I can't really remember what my 1st story was. 352 00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:40.980 As I watched that, I started trying to think about it. 353 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:53.339 And there's this moment, a few minutes into the episode, the point of view of the robot, when it's trying to break into the research establishment with the wire mesh and the green grass. 354 00:21:53.400 --> 00:22:08.940 And as a kid, I had a recurring nightmare, that we lived in a train tunnel, and we had our front door, and there were these 2 panels next to the door, and it was like what the robot was, you know, there was something outside, and we couldn't see what it was. 355 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:21.960 As I watched it, I saw that, and then all these flashes just started going into my mind, like, Sarah crawling through the pipe with the weir and outside, Sarah falling off the scaffolding in Genesis. 356 00:22:22.019 --> 00:22:24.539 Sarah being attacked by the cyberman. 357 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:25.799 There's a theme emerging here. 358 00:22:25.859 --> 00:22:31.079 And I don't know whether or not robot is the 1st story I am saw, right? 359 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:44.519 I kind of knew that John Pertwee was the doctor, so I must have caught something of spies, but, you know, it's racking my brain, even in the Santarian experiment when Sarah talks about links, like, I don't remember that. 360 00:22:44.579 --> 00:22:46.440 Like I don't, I never got that. 361 00:22:46.500 --> 00:22:49.140 I can't remember if I knew that she knew the Daleks or not. 362 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:59.640 I do remember as a kid watching episode one of The Time Warrior expecting old perchwee titles, getting the new ones and going, oh, and then going, oh, they're like Tom's. 363 00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:00.779 So I didn't really know that. 364 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:02.640 No, about 77, 77. 365 00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:07.920 So, I'm just sort of there going like, you know, is robot the 1st story that I ever saw? 366 00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:10.680 I just adored watching this from beginning to end. 367 00:23:10.740 --> 00:23:11.519 It was just fresh. 368 00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:13.200 He was vibrant. 369 00:23:13.259 --> 00:23:18.480 There were just things and the robot and the sympathy I felt for the robot and it's and how conflicted it was. 370 00:23:18.539 --> 00:23:19.920 Like I'd forgotten all of that stuff. 371 00:23:19.980 --> 00:23:21.960 Doesn't it look beautiful too? 372 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.599 Oh, even it may not move quite as beautiful. 373 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.299 So, you know, I actually think Jim Mattressson, is it? 374 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:28.019 Yeah, 0 yes. 375 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:29.039 Yeah, it's gym mattress. 376 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:31.079 It is, yes, Oscar Award winning. 377 00:23:31.140 --> 00:23:32.880 And Jenny Laird award-winning. 378 00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:34.200 Oh, Jim, actress. 379 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:40.500 But on the other hand, Todd, I actually think that this story is kind of terrible as well. 380 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:50.339 And part of the reason for it, and maybe the biggest reason for it is Kettlewell, because you remember when Kettlewell last appeared when the actor last appeared on the show? 381 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:54.180 Yes, Edward Burnham as Professor Watkins in the invasion. 382 00:23:54.240 --> 00:24:00.960 And do you remember that scene where Tobias Vaughan kind of tries to provoke Watkins into killing him? 383 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:04.079 And there's some actual proper acting and all of that sort of thing. 384 00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:09.240 But in the intervening time, he's just turned into just an absurd caricature. 385 00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:11.819 And he's so important to the plot. 386 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:16.559 And I think his role in the plot is absolutely unbelievably muddled as well. 387 00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:19.259 Like, I can't tell what's going on. 388 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:31.859 He looks really distressed when the robot turns up at his house and he's surprised and all of that sort of thing and when the robot explains to him what's been being done to him at think tank, he goes, oh, no, you know, all of that sort of thing. 389 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:37.920 But then it turns out that scene's an a complete cheat because he was actually in on it the entire time. 390 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.359 And the only way that we can work that out, you know, the audience can't possibly work that out. 391 00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:43.380 We've got no way of knowing. 392 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:45.299 Tom works it out in his sleep. 393 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:46.559 Do you know what I mean? 394 00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:57.180 And then, and then comes to and says, oh, you know, no one else could possibly have reprogrammed the robot, even though we saw inner scene Hilda and Jellicoe doing just that. 395 00:24:57.420 --> 00:25:00.299 So the story is a mess. 396 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:01.200 Do you know what I mean? 397 00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:04.500 It is a giant holdover from the Pertury area. 398 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:10.619 Which is not, you know, not suggesting that it's wrong to have affection for it because, of course, it's place in the history of the show. 399 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:17.160 It's got Tom who is just, you know, an absolute revelation and it's got homes, you know, fixing the dialogue. 400 00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:19.140 Look, I don't disagree with you. 401 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:25.559 I mean, Jellico's acting sometimes, his calculator acting is appalling, but he's trying to do those calculations. 402 00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:26.700 He's not fooling anybody. 403 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:36.059 He's not pulling me for a 2nd and he's got that wonderful bit where he's hiding behind the robot, helping him down the steps, hiding acting. 404 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:42.599 But I was just surprised at how much I actually did enjoy this when I had dismissed it offhand previously. 405 00:25:42.660 --> 00:26:04.140 And so I actually did have great affection when I was watching this and was quite surprised, but there are problems with his character and motivation, you know, and Tom is, as you said, Richard, it just doesn't quite fit and it becomes quite obvious, but at the same time, I like that it doesn't quite fit because I think it gives Tom the chance to shine and stamp a different approach to everything. 406 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.599 It really was perfect in that, wasn't it? 407 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.519 Walsh watch. 408 00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:09.480 Walsh watch. 409 00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:19.500 So Terry Walsh isn't credited in this story at all, but there is a hilarious scene where the doctor's trying to persuade a guard to let him into the scientific reform society. 410 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:20.099 Yes. 411 00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:24.359 And he does that thing. you know, where he gets out his wallet and he's got the freedom of the city of Skaro. 412 00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:26.339 Who gave him that, the darlet? 413 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:35.819 And, you know, the he's a member of the Alpha Centauri table tennis club, and it's been observed before that if they have 6 arms, why do they get 6 table tennis bats? 414 00:26:35.819 --> 00:26:37.680 Because 2 armed people only get one. 415 00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:40.440 Why don't they have 3 table tennis spots? 416 00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:40.859 But whatever. 417 00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:45.599 And but the person that he's trying to bamboozle into allowing him in is Terry Walsh. 418 00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:55.259 And Terry Walsh is the recipient of the very 1st Tom Baker scarf trick, so where he accidentally freds on Tom Scarf and Todd yanks it out of the way. 419 00:26:55.259 --> 00:26:58.259 And the falls and her, which is why it's Terry Walsh. 420 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.920 And he also does this excellent dive over the top of Tom. 421 00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:07.619 While Tom is standing on a higher level to him bending over, then turns around and gets Tom in an arm lock. 422 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:14.039 You know, it's really a very, very good stunt, considering it also looks like it was done in one take with no cuts whatsoever. 423 00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:15.180 It would have been too. 424 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.799 Walsh was great with all of them. 425 00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:30.660 The last thing I want to mention is actually related to that, that scene at the Scientific Reform Society meeting, with, of course, their wonderful emblem that is not only designed to look like the robot's head, but also to sort of resemble a reflected swashticker. 426 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:39.359 Terence Dix had been writing with Mac Hulk long before they turned in the war games together. 427 00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:49.980 And in fact, in the 196263 season of The Avengers, when it was Patrick McNee and Honour Blackman in the starring roles. 428 00:27:50.039 --> 00:28:01.619 They wrote a story together called The Mauritius Penny, which is about a group called New Rule, who wanted to overtake the UK and Europe, and run it along scientific principles. 429 00:28:01.859 --> 00:28:15.180 The 3rd episode of Robot, the scenes in that, the way they are written, the way they are shot, is so close to the Mauritius Penny, which is also one of the best black and white videotape Avengers. 430 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:15.779 Both episodes. 431 00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:18.180 Top fan favourite of that. 432 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:23.339 I mean, when I used to run my Avengers blog, I think I put it either 1st or 2nd for that season. 433 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:24.660 It's so strong. 434 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.000 Do track it down if you can, if you can, folks. 435 00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:35.160 It's not available on DVD in Australia, but is available in the UK and the US is part of the complete 2nd season and often on YouTube or Vimeo. 436 00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:36.299 Should we mention do we have time? 437 00:28:36.539 --> 00:28:45.900 All those things actually came from a regal organisation called technocracy, which developed in the US straight after the war, and a lot of 2nd rate scientists, as they were viewed by everybody else. 438 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:51.660 And they wanted to streamlined logical lifestyle based on pseudoscientific rational principles. 439 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:53.160 They wore gray suits. 440 00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:55.740 It's really just craft work without the great tune. 441 00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:59.700 They drove a model of gray car, all the same. 442 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:14.339 But there is actually a C.S. Lewis novel called that hideous strength, which was written during the war, that said immediately after it, which has the National Institute of Coordinated experiments, which is a cross between think tank and the scientific reform society. 443 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.920 So it is a thing that was in the air. 444 00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:19.380 It's not quite as crazy as it seems to have seen. 445 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.579 He loves suicide. 446 00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:23.940 Yeah, he's top of my enemies list at the moment. enemies. 447 00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:27.180 There's 2 things that we need really to talk about, I think, before we wrap it up. 448 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:28.200 One is the tank. 449 00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:30.000 I love the tank. 450 00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:30.660 I love the tank. 451 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:31.319 I love the tank. 452 00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:33.420 I don't really have a problem with it. 453 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.079 I don't I think it looks a lot better than a lot of the model work in the Pertwee era. 454 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.180 And the shot is quite clever. 455 00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:40.740 The shot is on the robot. 456 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.839 The shot is a boy... 457 00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:43.740 I accepted as a kid. 458 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.119 As a boy, I thought fantastic. 459 00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:46.440 We were a bit of Thunderbirds moments. 460 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:47.640 We do need to talk about the Tories. 461 00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:48.420 What did you think of that? 462 00:29:48.539 --> 00:29:49.079 terrible. 463 00:29:49.859 --> 00:29:55.200 And then there's the end, and I think the end is really, really just lovely. 464 00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.539 So you get the scene with Tom and Sarah. 465 00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.660 And Sarah is genuinely upset. 466 00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:02.579 Is Sarah still as the 6 inch dolly? 467 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:03.539 No, okay. 468 00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:08.339 Okay, that's that's a jingly jingly leg. 469 00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:14.099 And she's then placed on that matte painting of the chimney, like... 470 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.460 She's granted the photo. was a reshoot as well. 471 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.559 They weren't happy with the original version. 472 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.200 Jenny Lader award nominated. 473 00:30:22.259 --> 00:30:26.700 Todd is the only one here who's spent some reasonable amount of time with Liz Sladden. 474 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:35.759 But Liz did say, and I'm quoting this now, they did very rude things with that Sarah Dolly after that, nothing to do with me, of course, and she does include Terry Walsh in that. 475 00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:38.220 Do you remember her telling that story to the conventions anyway? 476 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.500 So I just, I had no idea. 477 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.559 This is why it's never worked turned up at any of the auctions. 478 00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:45.240 Oh my god. 479 00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:48.480 Anyway, I want to... 480 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.059 That last heartwarming... 481 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:51.660 Thank you, Richard. 482 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.220 I mean, on top of the head of red coon. 483 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:54.720 No, no, we passed that. 484 00:30:54.779 --> 00:30:56.039 We passed her right bucket off. 485 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:07.200 She's genuinely upset. by the destruction of the robot and it's terribly sweet and Tom doesn't, you know, for all his sort of alien quirkiness, he really takes it on board and tries to comfort her. 486 00:31:07.259 --> 00:31:13.559 And he does say, you know, it was a great invention or something capable of great good or great evil. 487 00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.200 You know, I guess you could say. 488 00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:16.680 It was human. 489 00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:18.119 And I think that's that's terrifically nice. 490 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:18.960 It's great isn't it? 491 00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:19.920 Yeah, what we were trying to say. 492 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:21.900 And then, you know, you've got Harry coming in. 493 00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:23.220 And would you like a jelly baby? 494 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:24.359 The 1st time he ever says it. 495 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:24.900 Yeah, you know? 496 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.440 And the ticket to the TARDIS is the jelly baby. 497 00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:31.019 They trick him into going. 498 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.839 They're having a little more show. 499 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:36.539 That's why that coat was definitely worn by the 2nd doctor. 500 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.539 Yeah, because there's something else that comes up later in the season to indicate that. 501 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:44.039 For his costume. 502 00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:49.859 I do think, though, that the alternate costume is he tries on the clown and the barbarian and the king of hearts. 503 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:51.240 He's already chosen what he wants to wear. 504 00:31:51.299 --> 00:31:53.160 He's just doing the pattern. 505 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:59.400 I'm suggesting something completely outrageous. a little bit of Tootie, Tootie Flying Dutchman when he comes out in the Wagner hat. 506 00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:02.579 It's great The space that space helmet for a cow. 507 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:04.259 Space helmet for a cat. 508 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.440 It's already in the opening titles, but nobody's going to. 509 00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:09.420 That's true, isn't it? 510 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:10.920 Well spotted, Todd. 511 00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:27.599 Well, that's all the time we have for Robot, but just before we go, I do have to issue a correction for something one of the said last episode. 512 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:28.740 It was Richard. 513 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:29.640 Yeah, it was me probably. 514 00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:30.539 It was me, actually. 515 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.059 For my jet... 516 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:52.859 For my Jenny Laird award, I gave it to the creative team behind the mutants because I was asking why Christopher Barry was invited back after such a long time away to direct such a problematic story. completely overlooking the fact that he'd done a bloody great job on the Damons 3 stories before that. 517 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:58.980 So, you know, I was saying he hadn't been directing since Power of the Daleks, he hasn't done a colour Doctor Who. 518 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.000 He hasn't worked for Barry Letts. 519 00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:02.519 Of course he has, and he's produced one of the most critically acclaimed ones. 520 00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:05.940 So we can finally accept the mutants as in the top 5 per week. 521 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.220 We've never we've never issued a correction before. 522 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.319 Is that because we've never said anything wrong before? 523 00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:11.160 That's correct. 524 00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:13.259 It's because it would take up an entire episode. 525 00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:16.500 In 31 episodes, I think that's quite a great achievement. 526 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.700 So, folks, as I said, that's the end of today's episode. 527 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:28.920 Please come back next week where we'll be discussing where we will be discussing packaging materials as alien threats in the arcade space. 528 00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:37.019 In the meantime, don't forget, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. 529 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:44.400 We're also still after reviews on our iTunes, because I put out a call for it about 2 episodes ago and I don't think any new reviews have appeared. 530 00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:45.660 Not being needy. 531 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:47.700 I'm being incredibly needy, please review us. 532 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:49.319 Please, please, please review us. 533 00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:50.940 There might be something in it for you. 534 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.019 Thank you. 535 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.599 Thank you very much and good night. 536 00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:55.319 Good night. 537 00:33:55.380 --> 00:33:55.680 Good night. 538 00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:56.279 See you soon. 539 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.779 You're listening to Flight Your Entirety. 540 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.380 Todd Burby, Nathan Buffy, Brendan Jones, and Richard Stone. 541 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:09.300 This episode, Quentin Chris Duckface, was recorded on Sunday, the 14th of June. 542 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.940 The next episode will be released on June 29th. 543 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:19.440 The Doctor's Sporting Prowess does rather raise the question, how many ping pong balls are in play in a game without the Centurion table tennis. 544 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:28.800 Hello and welcome back to the 1st episode of the weekly Flight Through Entirety. 545 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.980 I excited myself just then. 546 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:35.280 Okay.