WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 14:30:34 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:32.880 Hello and welcome back to the all-new, all-different weekly flight 2 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:36.179 through entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who's qualified to 3 00:00:36.179 --> 00:00:37.079 work on tailors. 4 00:00:37.140 --> 00:00:37.920 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:37.979 --> 00:00:39.719 I'm Nathan I'm Todd. 6 00:00:39.780 --> 00:00:43.740 I'm a lovely swirling Basque skirt of bubble wrap for this. 7 00:00:44.460 --> 00:00:47.100 Careful, Richard, we may want to populate. 8 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:51.840 Oh, dear, that's terrible. 9 00:00:51.899 --> 00:00:52.859 I just got it. 10 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.020 We mean... 11 00:00:55.560 --> 00:01:01.500 It can only be time to travel into the far future, past the solar 12 00:01:01.500 --> 00:01:03.899 flares, turn right at Earth's moon, headed... 13 00:01:04.019 --> 00:01:06.420 Todds had to go on the helmet regulator. to go on the helmet 14 00:01:06.420 --> 00:01:10.439 regulator and we're heading at a dizzying speed towards space 15 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:11.579 station Nerva. 16 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.459 Mark in space. 17 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:24.900 What do you think? 18 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:26.760 Pile of crap, really, isn't it? 19 00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:28.379 Oh, yeah, definitely not. 20 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:31.379 What were those 13.600000 viewers thinking? 21 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:31.859 Crazy. 22 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:32.579 Exactly. 23 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.200 Was ITV on strike again? 24 00:01:34.260 --> 00:01:37.079 No, no. they weren't, were they? 25 00:01:37.140 --> 00:01:38.459 They weren't episode one. 26 00:01:38.579 --> 00:01:42.900 The whole thing is glorious, except I will criticise Noah's acting 27 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:44.939 but we'll get back to that in a little while. 28 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:49.980 Look, episode one is just 25 minutes of absolute of our favourite 29 00:01:49.980 --> 00:01:50.459 people. 30 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:51.420 Glory. 31 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.359 Yes, the 3 of them are just phenomenal. 32 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:55.140 Three who rule. 33 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.959 We, of course, get another point of view shot from the monster 34 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.019 just like in the previous story, that's early on in the peace. 35 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:06.599 But besides that, it's Tom, Liz, and Ian and a couple of voices. 36 00:02:06.659 --> 00:02:10.680 How long has it been since we've had just the regulars? 37 00:02:10.740 --> 00:02:12.719 Is it the Dylest one? 38 00:02:12.780 --> 00:02:14.039 You could argue mind robber. 39 00:02:14.099 --> 00:02:15.840 We do have the voice of Emirus James in that one. 40 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:17.340 Well, you got the voice of Peter. 41 00:02:17.340 --> 00:02:18.900 You got the voice of Peter Tottenham. 42 00:02:18.900 --> 00:02:19.979 And Gladys. 43 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:20.580 What's her name? 44 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:21.900 Gladys Emanuel. 45 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:23.939 No, that's not. 46 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:25.259 She's fabulous. 47 00:02:25.379 --> 00:02:27.599 Gladys, the High Minister. 48 00:02:27.659 --> 00:02:27.960 Yes. 49 00:02:28.020 --> 00:02:30.060 She was born in 1894. 50 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:31.379 That actress. 51 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:32.099 Oh my goodness. 52 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:34.139 Yeah, I totally looked her up. 53 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:35.219 She's terrific. 54 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:36.180 But I think you're right. 55 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:38.460 I think it's very rarely happened before. 56 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:42.360 Yeah, it's really just for this episode, mind robber episode one 57 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.520 and Edge of Destruction. 58 00:02:44.580 --> 00:02:47.580 Doesn't this show us how to do a studio bound story? 59 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:50.099 Claustrophobia is my flavour du jour. 60 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.979 I'm just on the edge of my seat throughout that entire episode. 61 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:54.180 The lighting. the sense. 62 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:59.280 And you can understand why 9.4 tuned into episode one and 13.6 63 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:02.580 million, which becomes the highest rated episode of Doctor Who up 64 00:03:02.580 --> 00:03:06.659 to that and 5th of the week, which is actually the record for the 65 00:03:06.659 --> 00:03:08.520 entire run of the original series. 66 00:03:08.580 --> 00:03:09.120 Wow. 67 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.039 But episode two, episode two. 68 00:03:11.099 --> 00:03:12.360 It was at as high as Web Planet? 69 00:03:12.419 --> 00:03:13.379 Higher. 70 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:13.800 Really? 71 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.259 The highest episode on Web Planet was 13.5. 72 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:16.979 Amazing. 73 00:03:16.979 --> 00:03:20.039 And I think Billy's highest placed episode was 7th. 74 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:24.120 What we have here, instead of people to interact with, and 75 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:27.479 monsters at this point is the environment, like a hostile 76 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:28.139 environment. 77 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:29.939 And Tom obviously... 78 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.080 But so you've got the fact that there's no air, you've got doors 79 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:35.699 mysteriously opening and closing. 80 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.599 You've got that sentinel thing that sort of fires, bolts at people 81 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:40.500 and all that. 82 00:03:40.620 --> 00:03:41.400 The deadly tanning lamp. 83 00:03:41.460 --> 00:03:45.000 Yeah, and then you get you get Sarah involved in the, you know, the 84 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:45.960 chronogenic process. 85 00:03:46.020 --> 00:03:50.039 And there's a kind of physicality to the environment, which 86 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.759 Russell rips off in New Earth later where he gets some of the 87 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:55.860 doctor and rose wet in the lift. 88 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:56.580 You know what I mean? 89 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:58.199 Harry loses his shoes. 90 00:03:58.259 --> 00:03:59.219 They go through it. 91 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:01.259 They carry his shoes beautifully. 92 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.240 It's so wonderful. 93 00:04:03.300 --> 00:04:05.099 Harry's so clumsy. 94 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:08.639 He's been playing with the helmet regulator. 95 00:04:08.699 --> 00:04:10.020 He presses the button. 96 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:15.000 He presses the button that gets Sarah trapped in the other room. 97 00:04:15.060 --> 00:04:18.180 He says he doesn't like sliding doors because he got his nose 98 00:04:18.180 --> 00:04:20.579 caught in one at Pompey Barracks. 99 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:24.000 He was in the navy like at all. 100 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.240 I just adore that. 101 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:31.139 The whole sequence when they're underneath the table... 102 00:04:31.139 --> 00:04:32.040 You see their bottoms. 103 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:36.060 Of course, yes, that's my abortion. 104 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.459 But, you know, just talking about, you know, different things. 105 00:04:38.579 --> 00:04:39.600 It was such a good scene. 106 00:04:39.660 --> 00:04:41.459 They did it again in towns of wing China. 107 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.759 Yes, this is true But I just like the way Holmes puts in, like the 108 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.319 doctor just pulls out things out of his pockets. 109 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.199 This time it's like the cricket ball, which just, you know, gets 110 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:49.980 dusted. 111 00:04:50.100 --> 00:04:53.759 There's some lovely little lines here for nerdy lads like we were 112 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.139 in science-y stuff. 113 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.259 Okay, just when you're 8 or 9. 114 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:02.639 Just the references to organic matter and didn't you find that? 115 00:05:02.699 --> 00:05:05.040 The science is quite nice and tight in this for a child. 116 00:05:05.100 --> 00:05:07.259 It's something that Holmes has always done. 117 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:11.699 And you even do get it in robot, where the dialogue is vastly more 118 00:05:11.699 --> 00:05:14.699 sophisticated than when Terrence is the script than it is. 119 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.620 So there's a lot of clever words. 120 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.439 Well, we will get to that because there is. 121 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:21.600 But, um... 122 00:05:21.660 --> 00:05:26.579 But he just writes cleverer, wittier dialogue. really nicely 123 00:05:26.579 --> 00:05:26.819 done. 124 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.240 And he plays, he has a musician's ear for sound because he plays 125 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.019 with the flow and the dip thongs and the alliterations and 126 00:05:34.019 --> 00:05:36.959 assonants and just the rhythms of toils lines, especially they're 127 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:37.319 beautiful. 128 00:05:37.379 --> 00:05:38.759 Can we talk about that speech? 129 00:05:38.819 --> 00:05:43.259 The big, big, indomitable speech where he's in the cryogenic 130 00:05:43.259 --> 00:05:43.560 chamber. 131 00:05:43.620 --> 00:05:46.079 I think he does something different from any of his predecessors 132 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.300 and something vastly different from pertweis. 133 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.060 So if Perto is asked to make a speech about human beings, it's 134 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:54.600 about how they can blow up the world and they probably will and 135 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.720 make lovely cheese and very good wineries. 136 00:05:57.779 --> 00:06:01.139 But you know how he's always negative about human beings and their 137 00:06:01.139 --> 00:06:03.779 capacity for destruction and the weapons that they create and 138 00:06:03.779 --> 00:06:04.920 pollution and all of that. 139 00:06:04.980 --> 00:06:08.759 But here you get Tom saying how amazing humanity is. 140 00:06:08.819 --> 00:06:12.180 Human beings are quite my favourite species. that as well. 141 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.240 It's a really young man doctor, isn't it? 142 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.220 With all of the vigour of youth. 143 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:20.699 The thing that never gets mentioned is that that's the important 144 00:06:20.699 --> 00:06:22.199 theme of this story. 145 00:06:22.259 --> 00:06:25.980 The thing that saves everyone in the end is Noah's humanity. 146 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:27.060 Do you know what I mean? 147 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.040 It's humanity that solves the problem here. 148 00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:31.439 We're up against this sort of terrible threat. 149 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:36.540 So that speech isn't just giving Tom something to do. 150 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:38.339 And obviously this story does that. 151 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.319 Holmes very clearly is credited. 152 00:06:40.379 --> 00:06:43.680 They've thrown out John Lucarotti's script because no one can 153 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.259 contact him on the boat on the Mediterranean. 154 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:51.899 And also just the budget to make what he wrote would have taken up 155 00:06:51.899 --> 00:06:53.339 all the money in the whole series. 156 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.560 Wasn't it some casino or something or no? 157 00:06:55.620 --> 00:06:57.959 No, no, that's coming up later. 158 00:06:58.019 --> 00:07:02.639 But, yeah, no, this one is fungi that invade, and there's 2 159 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:03.480 different kinds of fungi. 160 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:06.600 There's the disembodied just bodies who do all the bluster work 161 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:10.139 and then there's the floating heads, the cherubim and seraphim, who 162 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:12.480 float about and do the intelligence thing and Tom dispatches them 163 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.040 in episode 4 with a golf club. 164 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:16.439 I kind of wish we'd seen that That sounds great. 165 00:07:16.500 --> 00:07:18.360 And season 16. 166 00:07:18.540 --> 00:07:22.740 He had also written each script with an individual title because 167 00:07:22.740 --> 00:07:24.000 he thought the Doctor Who still did that. 168 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:27.240 So the title of the 1st episode, I think, was Puffball and the 169 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.759 last episode where Tom dispatches them with a golf club was golf 170 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:30.120 ball. 171 00:07:30.180 --> 00:07:32.819 So each episode was something bold. 172 00:07:32.939 --> 00:07:36.240 No, I think it would have been great. a totally different thing. 173 00:07:36.300 --> 00:07:39.959 They kept calling TARDIS TARDIS instead of the TARDIS. 174 00:07:40.620 --> 00:07:41.040 I like tar. 175 00:07:41.100 --> 00:07:44.519 Speaking of the Tartars, Harry walks out of the Tartar series, and 176 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.339 you never see Harry inside the Tartars, an entire movie. 177 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:48.060 No, you never do. 178 00:07:48.060 --> 00:07:51.300 You don't see the you don't see the TARDIS interior set this whole 179 00:07:51.300 --> 00:07:51.600 season. 180 00:07:51.660 --> 00:07:52.560 You don't see it. 181 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:53.220 I like that, though. 182 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.920 Yeah, you don't see it between Death of the Daleks's last time, see 183 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:57.839 it. and we won't see it again until Planet of Evil. 184 00:07:57.899 --> 00:08:00.600 Can we get onto the theme that I was mentioning with Jacques La 185 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:01.920 Khan and Hinchcliffe's go? 186 00:08:01.980 --> 00:08:05.759 He was a psychologist and psychiatrist and a French theoretician 187 00:08:05.819 --> 00:08:08.939 ontological threat of isolation and claustrophobia. 188 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.699 So, and it was a deliberate port ploy of Henchcliff. 189 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:13.319 He said, what's the day of sex Makina? 190 00:08:13.379 --> 00:08:14.160 What's the safety point? 191 00:08:14.220 --> 00:08:17.279 The whole reason that we've always felt safe with the doctor. 192 00:08:17.339 --> 00:08:21.240 He can always get back to the TARDIS, get rid of the TARDS. and 193 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:22.680 isolate Sarah Don't. 194 00:08:22.740 --> 00:08:26.459 Give the children threats that children are absolutely terrified 195 00:08:26.459 --> 00:08:26.879 of. 196 00:08:26.939 --> 00:08:28.560 Children don't mind monsters as such. 197 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.199 We kind of like the bogey man, the building. 198 00:08:31.259 --> 00:08:33.600 We know that everything else around us is safe, so therefore it 199 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:34.620 doesn't pose a threat. 200 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:37.379 Therefore, take away the front door to our house. 201 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.000 And isolate us. 202 00:08:39.059 --> 00:08:42.299 Sarah is always getting in a position of claustrophobia and 203 00:08:42.299 --> 00:08:43.440 isolation and being separated. 204 00:08:43.500 --> 00:08:47.519 That terrifies children, being separated from the parents is 205 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:50.100 according to Inchcliffe, and according to Lacan, the thing that 206 00:08:50.100 --> 00:08:50.820 will most terrify. 207 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.580 And when she gets put into cryogenesis. 208 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.139 Again, is she gonna get out of that? 209 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.240 Do you really don't think she will, do you? 210 00:08:57.299 --> 00:09:00.299 And, you know, the doctor and Harry have to obviously rescue him. 211 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.840 But Elizabeth Sutton's acting through that entire sequence. 212 00:09:03.899 --> 00:09:07.200 It's just so good when she gets put under it. 213 00:09:07.259 --> 00:09:08.340 Have you seen Silent Green? 214 00:09:08.460 --> 00:09:10.019 Is anyone here actually seen it? 215 00:09:10.019 --> 00:09:12.419 I was lucky enough to see it on the big screen at one of the film 216 00:09:12.419 --> 00:09:13.139 festivals. 217 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:14.700 It is that scene entirely. 218 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:17.940 But in that case, it's because of climate change and because of 219 00:09:17.940 --> 00:09:18.779 overpopulation. 220 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:19.500 There's no food. 221 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.799 People go to the big centre where there's the lovely music and are 222 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:23.340 put to death. 223 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:27.000 You know, in a way, exactly the same as that with the same music. 224 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:27.720 Absolutely. 225 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.360 So the audience watching that, it was a big film that had come out 226 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.580 a couple of years. really thought Sarah wasn't going to get 227 00:09:32.580 --> 00:09:33.120 transported. 228 00:09:33.179 --> 00:09:33.539 She was gone. 229 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.139 And of course, at this time, this laden herself was thinking that 230 00:09:37.139 --> 00:09:41.279 once her contract was up, she'd move on, because she had seen, this 231 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:45.179 is actually the 3rd story made with Tom Baker because they made 232 00:09:45.179 --> 00:09:46.799 Sontaran experiment first. 233 00:09:46.860 --> 00:09:49.559 We'll talk more about that when we talk about Santarian experiment 234 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:53.639 but she had seen how well Ian Martin and Tom Baker were getting 235 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:53.879 on. 236 00:09:53.940 --> 00:09:55.320 She knew there was a new producer. 237 00:09:55.379 --> 00:09:57.419 So she started thinking, you know what, Barry cast me. 238 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:00.120 The way she puts it was, I was Barry's girl. 239 00:10:00.179 --> 00:10:03.299 And I thought to myself, Philip is probably going to want to find 240 00:10:03.299 --> 00:10:03.899 his own girl. 241 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:05.039 Ian's Ian is. 242 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:06.840 He didn't fill them. 243 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.659 And it did work out an awful lot, you know, Ian Walter. 244 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:10.320 No, he did. 245 00:10:10.379 --> 00:10:13.980 Yeah, partially because of his diabetes and he had been... 246 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:15.179 And the fact that he's just... 247 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:16.919 Well, he had actually been... 248 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.759 Until a few weeks before he got the part of Harry Sullivan, he'd 249 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:22.259 been incredibly ill. 250 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:23.519 He hadn't worked for over a year. 251 00:10:23.580 --> 00:10:25.019 Yeah, exactly. 252 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:25.559 Exactly. 253 00:10:25.620 --> 00:10:30.299 And so he started compensating by being really into his fitness. 254 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.840 Liz Laden says the last time she met him about a year before he 255 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:34.139 died. 256 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:37.500 He had become quite muscular. 257 00:10:37.500 --> 00:10:40.919 And she sort of thought to herself, I will include pictures to 258 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:41.399 this. 259 00:10:41.460 --> 00:10:45.480 Well, she thought she sort of remembers thinking, you know, I know 260 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:47.340 he's got his diabetes in his health problems. 261 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:49.379 Is it healthy for someone to be this huge? 262 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:52.379 And she tells the story about how he came around to see Sadie when 263 00:10:52.379 --> 00:10:53.100 she was a baby. 264 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:56.940 And so you've got this huge Ian Martyr, completely unsure of how 265 00:10:56.940 --> 00:10:57.720 to hold a baby. 266 00:10:57.779 --> 00:11:00.600 And that was the last time she saw him and that's her biting 267 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:00.840 memory. 268 00:11:00.899 --> 00:11:02.700 Isn't it great that they all gone on so well? 269 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:05.460 And Tom and Ian were writing behind the scenes. 270 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:08.580 So for this, so was this the story where she bonded with Tom? 271 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:09.600 Is that? 272 00:11:09.659 --> 00:11:13.259 Well, she'd already bonded with Tom, but she was beginning to 273 00:11:13.259 --> 00:11:16.019 wonder if she was going to be a spare part. 274 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:17.159 She said this to Hinchcliffe, didn't she? 275 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:19.019 She said this to Hinchcliffe, who turned around and said, no, we 276 00:11:19.019 --> 00:11:19.740 think you're wonderful. 277 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.740 Actually, we're not going to renew Ian because you and Tom are so 278 00:11:22.740 --> 00:11:23.159 good together. 279 00:11:23.220 --> 00:11:25.080 It's kind of weird, isn't it? 280 00:11:25.139 --> 00:11:28.860 Because the natural pairing in season 12 is Tom and Ian and Sarah 281 00:11:28.860 --> 00:11:32.220 gets to, but I guess Sarah is strong enough to hold her own 282 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:32.759 plotline. 283 00:11:32.820 --> 00:11:33.480 Exactly. 284 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:33.720 Exactly. 285 00:11:33.779 --> 00:11:35.279 It comes up time and time again. 286 00:11:35.340 --> 00:11:38.460 She is isolated from those 2 for a couple of episodes and then 287 00:11:38.460 --> 00:11:41.940 forced to be her normal resilient independent self, you know, and 288 00:11:41.940 --> 00:11:42.960 get herself out of property. 289 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:43.320 Exactly. 290 00:11:43.379 --> 00:11:45.360 And she's putting jeopardy a lot more. 291 00:11:45.419 --> 00:11:48.059 I mean, I think a lot of times people think that this is the girly 292 00:11:48.059 --> 00:11:51.779 season of Sarah, but I think Sarah is off by herself in jeopardy. 293 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.720 So she's actually in a lot more dire straits without the doctor. 294 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:56.279 Yeah, she really should. 295 00:11:56.340 --> 00:11:57.000 But she's still as strong. 296 00:11:57.059 --> 00:12:01.019 Yeah, people say that this season isn't as strong for Sarah James 297 00:12:01.019 --> 00:12:01.740 feminism. 298 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.220 But I think what this season does with the feminism of the 299 00:12:05.220 --> 00:12:05.940 character is. 300 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:10.320 It shows it through action rather than through words, because 301 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:14.759 season 11, there was a lot of talk about feminism and examples of 302 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:19.139 Sarah being independent, whereas when Sarah's with Tom, she 303 00:12:19.139 --> 00:12:22.980 doesn't, she doesn't stand there saying, oh, girls are better than 304 00:12:22.980 --> 00:12:24.600 boys or girls are equal to boys. 305 00:12:24.659 --> 00:12:27.779 She just gets on with it with the possible exception of one scene 306 00:12:27.779 --> 00:12:28.559 in this story. 307 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.139 Can I say that I'm not sure that that's true? 308 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:34.500 And one of the things that is going to come up now that Bob Holmes 309 00:12:34.500 --> 00:12:36.899 has probably taken over in Philip Hinchcliffe has properly taken 310 00:12:36.899 --> 00:12:38.639 over the season started in earnest. 311 00:12:38.700 --> 00:12:43.320 I felt a bit anxious about the tone of this story and the 312 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:48.419 subsequent stories of season 12 because Sarah is so frequently 313 00:12:48.419 --> 00:12:53.580 placed in just horrifying peril and tortured, like she's tortured 314 00:12:53.580 --> 00:12:54.360 several times. 315 00:12:54.419 --> 00:12:58.679 And I'm there going, why would she ever agree to get back in the 316 00:12:58.679 --> 00:12:59.279 Tartar? 317 00:12:59.340 --> 00:13:00.600 Why would she ever do that? 318 00:13:00.659 --> 00:13:03.960 You know, we've said before that we think that Sarah does a great 319 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.440 job of brave and scared at the same time. 320 00:13:07.500 --> 00:13:11.639 Here, I think she's called upon to be scared a lot more than she 321 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:12.299 has in the past. 322 00:13:12.419 --> 00:13:16.500 And, you know, scared in close-up and all of that sort of thing. 323 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.779 And I actually think that that's a little bit problematic. 324 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.860 The upside is the stakes are high. things are really scary. 325 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.700 You know, the stories are really strong, but I think it has a 326 00:13:26.700 --> 00:13:28.080 detrimental effect on her character. 327 00:13:28.139 --> 00:13:31.980 See, I disagree because she's into it. 328 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:34.620 Well, you kind of wonder, don't you? 329 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:39.059 But it shows how strong her character is because she's facing far 330 00:13:39.059 --> 00:13:42.480 greater adversity than she's ever faced before, but she doesn't 331 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:42.720 give up. 332 00:13:42.779 --> 00:13:48.120 She has one moment of panic in this story, which is turned into an 333 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:55.679 quote unquote, hilarious tristies on the nature of you girls think 334 00:13:55.679 --> 00:14:00.000 you're tough, but really, which is all reverse psychology and, oh 335 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:01.019 how we laughed. 336 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.720 That, I think, is very problematic when she's in the tunnel and 337 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.480 the doctor says, oh, you girls, you just lie there blubbing when 338 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.240 there's real work to be done, which, of course, gets Sarah out 339 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:11.100 swinging and fighting and she takes them. 340 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:12.000 She slaps him. 341 00:14:12.059 --> 00:14:12.659 Yes, yes. 342 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:13.559 Yeah, yeah, which is great. 343 00:14:13.620 --> 00:14:17.879 But in those later stories, which we'll talk about in more detail 344 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:24.480 like in, Son Tarin experiment, when she is being tortured and in 345 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.799 Genesis of the Daleks, when she's under this extreme agony, but 346 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.919 her reaction is don't tell him anything, doctor, you know, don't 347 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:33.419 don't pike. 348 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:35.580 Yeah, don't tell him, Pike. 349 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.840 But I think I think that's the duress you put your characters 350 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:44.220 under cannot in itself strengthen or weaken them. the character's 351 00:14:44.220 --> 00:14:44.879 reactions to it. 352 00:14:44.940 --> 00:14:47.639 No, no, but I'm in the way the characters portrayed. you know what 353 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:47.879 I mean? 354 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:48.600 On a different level. 355 00:14:48.659 --> 00:14:50.460 It's not that Sarah is a weak character. 356 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:53.279 I think that you're presenting this person who's being tortured 357 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:57.480 weak to weak and gets to spend a lot of time being really, really 358 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:59.700 frightened and upset and screaming and stuff. 359 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:02.039 It doesn't hold for a true person. 360 00:15:02.100 --> 00:15:05.519 Yes, it just like it just makes her less real as a character. 361 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.960 No, I don't think any other companion up to this point has had the 362 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:15.299 terrible couple of weeks that Sarah... 363 00:15:15.419 --> 00:15:17.039 But you know, it hasn't happened to us. 364 00:15:17.100 --> 00:15:18.179 No, no, it had to happen. 365 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:18.899 It is about. 366 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.840 The journey we're about to embark about. really quite harrowing 367 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:24.899 for all of them because, I mean, the doctor and Harry fall down a 368 00:15:24.899 --> 00:15:26.039 giant ravine. 369 00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:27.720 The doctor gets shot. 370 00:15:27.779 --> 00:15:30.000 Harry gets half eaten by a giant clown. 371 00:15:30.059 --> 00:15:34.500 Harry gets Harry gets porridge creeping up. 372 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:37.080 Southwester. 373 00:15:37.139 --> 00:15:40.019 No, we need to we need to keep our powder dry for those toys. 374 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:41.879 Can I talk theological? 375 00:15:41.940 --> 00:15:45.179 One of the things I think that lifts this story is the monster. 376 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.000 And I think the we're, and even though they're kind of crappy and 377 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.799 polystyrene and stuff. 378 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:51.299 No, though, they're crappy. 379 00:15:51.299 --> 00:15:52.440 No, they are anyway. 380 00:15:52.500 --> 00:15:53.879 Why haven't we had a toy? 381 00:15:53.940 --> 00:15:58.740 Aldawar, if you're listening, Tony Bird and I demand a we're in 5 382 00:15:58.740 --> 00:15:59.580 interaction for you. 383 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:03.659 They're not as they're not as solid as I remember them too. 384 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:04.320 They're terrible. 385 00:16:04.379 --> 00:16:06.720 Look, but fortunately they don't appear until episode four. 386 00:16:06.779 --> 00:16:10.679 And the little the little puppety ones that go on along the 387 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:12.960 outside of the... 388 00:16:13.019 --> 00:16:15.539 But I think the grubs are pretty good. 389 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.000 But the thing that really makes them frightening is this. 390 00:16:18.059 --> 00:16:22.559 There's a traditional argument for the existence of God that runs 391 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:27.480 something like organisms fearfully and wonderfully made. 392 00:16:27.539 --> 00:16:32.340 They're incredibly complicated and that complexity can only be 393 00:16:32.340 --> 00:16:36.240 down to a created god being responsible for their existence. 394 00:16:36.299 --> 00:16:40.320 And the most famous statement of this was William Paley, who 395 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:41.639 published in 1801. 396 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:45.179 And he talks about the watchman, you know, the watch, you come 397 00:16:45.179 --> 00:16:46.200 across a watch on the beach. 398 00:16:46.259 --> 00:16:50.940 It's such a, you know, beautiful, perfect thing, you must conclude 399 00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:52.379 that a watchmaker is behind it. 400 00:16:52.740 --> 00:16:59.100 But in episode two, I think, Tom talks about the Yumen's wasp and 401 00:16:59.100 --> 00:17:01.500 compares the Wirren's life cycle to that. 402 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:05.519 And there's another wasp, the Ichneuman wasp, which is very 403 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:10.799 similar in that it lays its eggs in a paralysed body. 404 00:17:10.859 --> 00:17:14.819 So it stings an animal, like a grub or something. 405 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:20.220 It lays its eggs in the grub and then the larvae eat their way out 406 00:17:20.220 --> 00:17:24.599 through the living grub so that the larvae have fresh meat to eat 407 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.240 when they're hatched. 408 00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:31.019 And theologians in the 19th century, when they're kind of 409 00:17:31.019 --> 00:17:34.440 acquainted with this life cycle, begin to think, you know, along 410 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:40.200 the opposite lines that a god, a good god, couldn't be responsible 411 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:44.519 for the creation of an animal who's reproductive cycle was like 412 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:44.819 that. 413 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:50.220 And Darwin himself, who is losing his faith, talks about the 414 00:17:50.220 --> 00:17:54.720 Ichneumon Wasp, and how it's incompatible with the idea of a 415 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:55.740 beneficent god. 416 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:57.539 And that's the monster here. 417 00:17:57.599 --> 00:17:58.619 Do you know what I mean? 418 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:03.359 The threat isn't, you know, that someone in a green fibreglass 419 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:06.839 suit is going to come in with a ray gun and sort of threaten you 420 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:07.680 and push you over. 421 00:18:07.740 --> 00:18:12.059 The threat is that you're going to be eaten alive, body and soul. 422 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:16.859 And so we've had bases under siege before, but we've never, ever 423 00:18:16.859 --> 00:18:21.660 had a monster as utterly, and as you said before, just like onto 424 00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:24.539 logically terrifying as this. 425 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:27.779 I'm terrified just after you're saying all of that. 426 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:29.400 You know where this comes from, don't you? 427 00:18:29.460 --> 00:18:30.299 The J. 428 00:18:30.299 --> 00:18:34.380 McConnell 1962 paper on memory transference. is thought to be 429 00:18:34.380 --> 00:18:35.220 largely chemical. 430 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:37.019 Chemically. 431 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:38.579 So that's how they can eat dune's memory. 432 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:40.319 There was a theory. 433 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:44.700 It's the 962 paper memory transfer through cannibalism in 434 00:18:44.700 --> 00:18:47.160 planetarians, which has definitely got to be a must read. 435 00:18:47.220 --> 00:18:48.480 But the thinking was. 436 00:18:48.539 --> 00:18:50.099 And it's not just a one-off. 437 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.220 It imbues so much SF and popular thinking. 438 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:54.599 He chopped up earthworms. 439 00:18:54.660 --> 00:18:55.799 He taught them to run through a maze. 440 00:18:55.859 --> 00:18:58.740 He chopped them up, fed them to the next generation of earthworms 441 00:18:58.740 --> 00:19:00.119 who could traverse the maze. 442 00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:02.880 He said without any preponderance. 443 00:19:02.940 --> 00:19:03.779 They just got straight through. 444 00:19:03.900 --> 00:19:07.200 However, yeah, and it's I remember hearing about it at school. 445 00:19:07.259 --> 00:19:09.059 Yeah, I think I remember reading about it. 446 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:09.420 Yeah. 447 00:19:09.420 --> 00:19:09.779 Furkey. 448 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:11.640 No one's ever been able to repeat the experiment again. 449 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:12.839 You tried at home, kids. 450 00:19:12.900 --> 00:19:15.299 This is no, please don't. 451 00:19:15.299 --> 00:19:17.819 This is Peter, don't call this. fine. 452 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:20.940 But there is that thing of the threat is so intimate, but that 453 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:24.000 seems to produce, and I love that Tom plays up the alieness. 454 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:26.279 He loves that creature when he comes upon it. 455 00:19:26.339 --> 00:19:27.660 Look at the way... 456 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.059 Look at the way he caresses its thorax. 457 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:32.519 You're a very beautiful warrior. 458 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.259 But yeah, he really is involved in this and Harry is kind of 459 00:19:37.259 --> 00:19:40.440 horrible, but Tom is just amazed by the entire process of it. 460 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:43.440 In fact, one of the genes, I think, because of his reaction. 461 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:47.640 One of the genius things about Tommy in this story is how much 462 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.839 he's enjoying himself. particularly when he goes to do the gypsy 463 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:53.640 eye brain thing. 464 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:55.740 Thank you, God. 465 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:59.700 It's something that is so different. in contrast to pertway in 466 00:19:59.700 --> 00:20:03.000 that he actually talks about this is going to be really dangerous 467 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.240 and everything and this has to happen and then I'm the only one 468 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:09.779 who can do it and he sort of smiles and he takes so much joy in 469 00:20:09.779 --> 00:20:13.619 the fact that he's about to do something that's absolutely so 470 00:20:13.619 --> 00:20:13.920 dangerous. 471 00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:16.019 And it does it without undermining it. 472 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:17.579 He does it without making you feel safe. 473 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.819 And Sarah says something like, but doctor, that's horribly 474 00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:21.119 dangerous. 475 00:20:21.180 --> 00:20:22.619 I know, 2 leads broken. 476 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.819 We're talking about the upside of that, but the Tom doctor is 477 00:20:26.819 --> 00:20:29.400 actually the darkest doctor we've ever had, and we didn't cover 478 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:32.579 this in robot, but watch that scene again with Todd's toy tank 479 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:33.299 when it rolls up. 480 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.539 We all get so bamboozled by the cuteness of the tank. 481 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:37.559 We forget what Tom says. 482 00:20:37.619 --> 00:20:40.440 He knows what his disintegrated gun will do. 483 00:20:40.500 --> 00:20:44.519 He knows how the properties work and what's going to happen to the 484 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:46.440 blokes inside the Tonka tank. 485 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:47.519 And what does he do? 486 00:20:47.579 --> 00:20:49.680 He doesn't say brigadier, get them out, pull them out. 487 00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:51.539 He puts his bloody feet. 488 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:52.559 Up on Bessie. 489 00:20:52.619 --> 00:20:54.180 She doesn't get many lines in this one either, top. 490 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:56.160 Puts your feet. aggressively. 491 00:20:56.220 --> 00:21:00.299 Puts his feet up on the windscreen, puts his hands behind his head 492 00:21:00.299 --> 00:21:04.079 and watches the carnage that's about doing... 493 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:06.240 He allows these boys to go to their doom. 494 00:21:06.299 --> 00:21:08.279 It's a very dark doctor, this one. 495 00:21:08.339 --> 00:21:09.299 And speaking of which... 496 00:21:09.299 --> 00:21:11.160 He's been telling the brigadier for 5 years. 497 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:12.839 You can't just shoot at everything. 498 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:15.960 And I think in this new inclination, he's just like, no, I've told 499 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:16.200 you once. 500 00:21:16.259 --> 00:21:19.619 That's the most horrifying moment, and Tom keeps that horror up. 501 00:21:19.740 --> 00:21:25.319 And of course, in this story, all the male costars all get killed 502 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:25.680 off. 503 00:21:25.740 --> 00:21:27.299 God, they do too, don't they? 504 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:28.980 Yeah, we have our 2nd woman for the year. 505 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:30.660 Oh, she's magnificent. 506 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:31.859 Segway of three, Wendy Williams. 507 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.039 Or as Tom Beck says, when... 508 00:21:35.579 --> 00:21:39.180 Did you know the character was written as a Haitian? 509 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:41.640 She was meant to be a black Haitian. 510 00:21:41.700 --> 00:21:45.359 Because the voodoo concepts in the original, the walking zombie 511 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:47.819 concepts, I should say, in the original script or much higher. 512 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:50.759 In fact, there's a line in... it would be great if shipping 513 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:50.940 black. 514 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:51.720 It would be so interesting. 515 00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:54.599 Well, there is a line in Tom's speech where he says all colours 516 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:56.160 all creeds, all differences. 517 00:21:56.339 --> 00:21:57.779 Thank you. 518 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:01.920 Why couldn't we have Carmen Monroe back? 519 00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:04.319 Why couldn't we have had Faria back? 520 00:22:04.380 --> 00:22:06.180 She have been amazing as Vira. 521 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:07.259 Not that Wendy's not. 522 00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:08.099 Oh, yeah. 523 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.440 And she does these lovely lines of, oh, a joke. 524 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:13.980 There was not much joke and laughter. 525 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:15.299 I just love her. 526 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:16.980 She's just glorious. 527 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:19.559 I can just sit there and walk. gorgeous. 528 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:20.099 But her. 529 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:24.420 And what's wonderful is we've slightly gone back to Troughton in 530 00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:24.660 that. 531 00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:25.920 We've got our base under siege. 532 00:22:25.980 --> 00:22:28.079 We've got our intransigent base commander. 533 00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:28.980 Yes, it's here. 534 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:29.819 Yes, yes, yes. 535 00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:34.140 We've already seen that his 2nd in command, Vira, is calm, she is 536 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:34.680 capable. 537 00:22:34.740 --> 00:22:36.000 She knows exactly what she's doing. 538 00:22:36.059 --> 00:22:39.900 She listens to the doctor's reasoned arguments with an open mind. 539 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:43.140 You know, she doesn't immediately trust the doctor, but John does 540 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:45.539 distrust him just because he's a stranger. 541 00:22:45.660 --> 00:22:48.420 Whereas all the boys, well, the boys in charge, can't do that at 542 00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:48.599 all. 543 00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:51.240 Yeah, it's a very subtle performance too. 544 00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:54.900 And there's a moment where I think it is slightly too subtle, but 545 00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:59.039 she goes from very distant and cold and she doesn't sort of react 546 00:22:59.039 --> 00:22:59.460 to them. 547 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:03.059 But don't forget that she gets the final moment of the episode. 548 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.000 Yeah, that she's a little thing. smile. 549 00:23:06.059 --> 00:23:06.779 She smiles. 550 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:08.460 You know, she really... 551 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:09.240 Yes, yeah. 552 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:10.559 She could have gone in the Tardis as well. 553 00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:11.460 She ate the chilli bag. 554 00:23:11.579 --> 00:23:15.240 On the commentary, which I think is Tom Liz Sladen and Philip 555 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:15.839 Hinchcliffe. 556 00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:17.220 When that ending comes up. 557 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.279 Tom just bursts out laughing and over the credits, they say, oh 558 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:23.220 God, all 3 of them say, God, that's a wonderful final shot. 559 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:26.160 That's amazing because she's going to go on and wake everyone up. 560 00:23:26.220 --> 00:23:27.000 That's great. 561 00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:29.940 They were all just raving and Phil Pinchcliffe's like, I forgot we 562 00:23:29.940 --> 00:23:30.240 did that. 563 00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:31.019 It's amazing. 564 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.339 But in the meantime, and this is an artful segue into another 565 00:23:35.339 --> 00:23:36.299 topic, Todd. 566 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.440 In the meantime, we learned that she's married to Noah. 567 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.619 And she pair bonded, weren't they? 568 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:44.339 Pair bonded. 569 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:45.180 How romantic. 570 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:49.619 Yeah, they had heterosexual marriage in the, you know, 100,000th 571 00:23:49.619 --> 00:23:50.700 century, whatever it is. 572 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:54.420 So, there's about to be a few women who aren't here. 573 00:23:54.480 --> 00:24:01.619 But we do get these subtle reactions to Noah's dialogue all the 574 00:24:01.619 --> 00:24:02.099 way through. 575 00:24:02.099 --> 00:24:06.599 And that terrible, horrible confrontation scene where you've got 576 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:11.759 mutant Noah covered in bubble wrap in episode three, which is cunt 577 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:14.460 because it's, I mean, it's pretty horrible as it stands, but it 578 00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:15.900 must have been originally more horrible. 579 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:19.140 Can we just outline that for the listener who might not? 580 00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:24.240 So what happened is this is the scene where Noah, his torso, half 581 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:27.539 his head is covered in the weir and... 582 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.059 Oh, it's actually great makeup. and yes, it's bubble wrap, but 583 00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:31.140 nobody knew what bubble wrap was. 584 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:31.740 Moving on. 585 00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:32.700 Moving on. 586 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:37.259 This is the scene where Noah accesses the we're in race memory to 587 00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:41.519 tell the doctor and Byra information about the wearer and he says 588 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.279 things like they were in the darkness rushing through. 589 00:24:44.339 --> 00:24:48.599 The door closes, he drops his gun, virus says we are pair bonded 590 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:49.200 for the new line. 591 00:24:49.259 --> 00:24:52.200 And it's a really kind of, it's a ropey... 592 00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:56.099 It's a really weird cut because Noah was meant to go on and become 593 00:24:56.099 --> 00:24:59.039 more and more ranting instead of saying the Wiranah, he starts 594 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.359 saying, I am, we are, and the makeup. 595 00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:07.259 If you look at the makeup on his face, there is a weird join 596 00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:09.720 between the wear and half of the space and the human half because 597 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:11.519 it was meant to break away and ooze. 598 00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:13.559 And they did that and they shot it. 599 00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:17.579 And his ranting hysteria and that breaking open, Philip 600 00:25:17.579 --> 00:25:19.140 Hinchcliffe deemed too horrific. 601 00:25:19.140 --> 00:25:21.240 Because Philip Hinchcliffe is now in complete charge of the 602 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:21.599 program. 603 00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:26.819 And so they just decided to cut to Wendy Williams saying we were 604 00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:28.440 pair bonded for the new life together. 605 00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:31.380 So that awful scene ends with her announcing that the 2 of them 606 00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:31.859 were married. 607 00:25:31.980 --> 00:25:34.680 And it's such a shame we don't get to see that. 608 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:36.960 No, really. 609 00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:37.619 I think it would have been. 610 00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:43.619 Do you, Wendy, take this giant insect to be your lovely husband? 611 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.799 And I think if we're going to mention that. 612 00:25:46.859 --> 00:25:52.319 We have to mention the film-based successor to this story. 613 00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:53.279 We do. 614 00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:54.539 Alien. 615 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:55.500 Alien. 616 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.500 And we're okay to say that because Ridley Scott, who was actually 617 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:03.180 lined up to design the Daleks back in 63 when he was for the BBC 618 00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:06.359 has later on acknowledged that this is a primary source for 619 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:07.019 alien. 620 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.299 And of course, you know, the alien gestation. 621 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:10.859 It splits your whole body open and gets out. 622 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:12.299 I love the design of destroying. 623 00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:13.980 Isn't Rogers from Ari Leach? 624 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:15.359 I love their uniforms. 625 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:17.579 The solar flares that they all wear. 626 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.440 Yes, I do. 627 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:25.680 It must be a Space 1999 with all this. made at the same time 628 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.240 except with actors. 629 00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:28.559 Not quite yet. 630 00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:30.180 No, no, 1974. 631 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:31.319 It was actually being filmed. 632 00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:35.640 It was in pre-production in 73, everything filmed in 74. 633 00:26:35.819 --> 00:26:38.640 Everything was filmed for the 1st season before they broadcast. 634 00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:40.140 It had a very long gestation period. 635 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.900 And the 3 of the same folk, Ian Scoons and all the rest of it, but 636 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:44.400 that's not to say that this influence. 637 00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:47.640 There are many precursors for that beautiful, clean, sterile, and 638 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:48.420 invasive food. 639 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.039 The white with the flashes of colour. 640 00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:51.299 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 641 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:52.440 I actually think it looks better. 642 00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:54.119 Oh, yeah. 643 00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:56.400 And the cryogenic pods and all that, you know? 644 00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:59.279 Just down to the details of those little banks of information 645 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.519 slots when they walk into the... 646 00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:04.680 That's what I call microphone. 647 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.900 You just reminded me as a little boy, because this was on every 648 00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:08.759 year was sometimes repeated. 649 00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:10.980 I assumed that they were actually the cell banks. 650 00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:16.140 So you can mix up a cocktail of people instead of whatever kind 651 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:16.500 you want. 652 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.559 That's what a lot of people try and use some grinder for. 653 00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:20.940 It's like, know this, know that. 654 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:21.900 What's that? 655 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.279 I've got no idea. 656 00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:24.900 It's an app it's an app for coffee. 657 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.240 Unlike all the supporting cars. 658 00:27:27.299 --> 00:27:29.880 I'll have a double deco flatte. 659 00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:34.380 I like all the supporting cast lights, Rogan, Libre, who does that 660 00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:35.220 sort of... 661 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:36.059 The fallover backwards. 662 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:36.839 Yeah, it's wonderful. 663 00:27:36.900 --> 00:27:38.700 And the working class bloke. 664 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:40.259 Rogan, yeah, yeah. 665 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:41.759 They even have working class whinges. 666 00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:44.880 I would have liked to stay on the earth like that. 667 00:27:44.940 --> 00:27:45.720 I like him. 668 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.359 But I do have a problem with Noah's performance. 669 00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:49.140 Okay. 670 00:27:49.140 --> 00:27:50.640 I think it's too over them. 671 00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:52.440 He's too hysterical too quickly. 672 00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:53.339 Yes. 673 00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:56.099 He immediately panics because there's other people on board, where 674 00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:58.140 I think he's very good is where the wear and starts taking it 675 00:27:58.140 --> 00:27:58.319 over. 676 00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:00.059 No, I think that that's where he's terrible. 677 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:04.319 And then, in fact, it's the cliffhanger to episode 2 where he 678 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.099 pulls out the bubble wrap hand. 679 00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:10.619 And then he starts fighting with a, you know, like throwing 680 00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:12.660 himself across the set and it's too much. 681 00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:16.140 And the reason is that he's the one who saves them all. 682 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:20.220 It's Noah that saves everyone and he does it out of his love for 683 00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:21.180 Vira. 684 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.000 The last words that he says are goodbye to Vira. 685 00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:25.619 You know, he's a human being. 686 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:28.259 He said, you know, he has no memory of the earth and all of that 687 00:28:28.259 --> 00:28:28.799 sort of thing. 688 00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:29.700 But it's not true. 689 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.599 And Tom's already foreshadowed that it's humanity, you know, the 690 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.440 greatness of humanity is, you know, on display in that room and 691 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.539 it's the greatness of humanity that saves us. 692 00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:43.140 Clearly, he's an actor in his scene that he's got his hand wrapped 693 00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:47.279 in bubble wrap and he's decided that he's decided to kind of pitch 694 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:48.900 his performance accordingly. 695 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:53.099 But it would, I think, have been much, much better to have had 696 00:28:53.099 --> 00:28:56.579 something a little bit more subtle and a little bit more nuanced 697 00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:58.740 would have given more drama. 698 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:00.539 I think it comes close to wrecking it. 699 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:04.319 I want to disagree, but I'm really sympathetic to your argument. 700 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.859 I kind of like the contrast of Noah with the coolness, the 701 00:29:07.859 --> 00:29:09.900 Marshall McClellan lines of what's hot and what's cool. 702 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.420 He's the heat of the old earth. 703 00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:14.220 Everyone else is the cooler space. 704 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.279 And I reckon that's where it was actually Kendall Moore, was it? 705 00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:18.000 was the actor? 706 00:29:18.059 --> 00:29:18.900 Kenneth Moore. 707 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:19.619 Kenneth. 708 00:29:19.619 --> 00:29:21.480 Kenneth Moore was that... sorry, Kenton Moore. 709 00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:22.859 Kenton Moore. wish it was Kenneth Moore. 710 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:27.119 Who, uh, we previously saw dumping his own dead body in the river 711 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:31.019 which was forbidden. in Dalek Invaders, London. 712 00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:34.319 He's in the he's the Roman man who goes into the river. 713 00:29:34.380 --> 00:29:35.039 Wow. 714 00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:38.759 Which is a cinematic moment, referenced by the BFI and shown in 715 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:43.200 their cinema reels of great moments of British cinema and TV, great 716 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.559 filmmic moments of that scene of Kenton more daunting the body 717 00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:47.519 realise it was him. 718 00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:50.039 And he sacrifices himself in this story as well. 719 00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:53.700 See, the scene I really like. story all around for him, isn't it 720 00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:53.880 right? 721 00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:57.720 The scene I really like him in is where the weiron is starting to 722 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.480 take him over before the physical manifestation and he says to 723 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.079 Vira that the revivification must be stopped and she argues with 724 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.500 him because June's still missing and he's got that wonderful line 725 00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:08.700 of, but I'm here. 726 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.019 I'm due. 727 00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:12.839 No, you see, I think that that's more... 728 00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:14.279 Really not from Kansas. 729 00:30:14.339 --> 00:30:14.700 Fair enough. 730 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:16.920 It's not it's not unpleasant to watch. 731 00:30:16.980 --> 00:30:17.940 Do you know what I mean? 732 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.259 But I just can't help thinking. 733 00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:22.680 Fair enough. a puzzling creative choice. 734 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:23.759 Let's say. 735 00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:26.220 Harry's a bit of a chauvinist at times. 736 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:28.920 Oh, well, he's... 737 00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:32.220 Yeah, and he says like a member of the fair sex at the top of the 738 00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:33.059 totem pole. 739 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.180 You see, though, I think I think that he's deliberately goading 740 00:30:36.180 --> 00:30:39.900 Sarah here because they've already established those 2 as a sort 741 00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:43.079 of brother and sister slightly bickering type of relationship in 742 00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:46.980 robot, when she's very early on, referred to him as, oh, you know 743 00:30:46.980 --> 00:30:48.900 you get your chance to be James Bond, and when they both get 744 00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:50.940 captured, she gets captured after him. 745 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.339 And when they're thrown in the same cell, she just looks at him 746 00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:54.599 and goes, James Bond. 747 00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:57.000 Actually, we didn't mention that he actually made, he actually 748 00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.380 plays a piss week. 749 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.059 Yes, yeah, right right down to the man from the ministry bowler 750 00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:03.839 hat. 751 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.079 Yeah, which I, and that's definitely Terence, because, you know 752 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:08.880 Terence and Mac Hulk wrote. 753 00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:10.740 I think 3 Avengers scripts together. 754 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:14.579 I agree with you on the brother sister thing and it does shine 755 00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:15.299 through in other stories. 756 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.599 I can't agree with you on this other points. 757 00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:22.859 Again, it is this thing where it's, you know, there are dozens of 758 00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:26.039 speaking parts in this season, 3 of which go to women. 759 00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:27.900 You know, like and going... 760 00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:29.220 But how strong are these women? 761 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:30.119 Yeah, that's the thing. 762 00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:32.640 It doesn't really matter, though. 763 00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:33.240 Does it? 764 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.319 I don't know. 765 00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.200 It doesn't, okay, it doesn't fully redress the balance. obviously. 766 00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.819 My goodness, you don't forget these women. 767 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.339 No, I know, but that's because there's so few of them. 768 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.660 Yeah, I think it's because... it falls down on equality of 769 00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:46.259 representation. 770 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:50.880 But the supporting female characters who are there are all strong 771 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:55.740 well-drawn character. who, yeah, who lead the narrative or lead 772 00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:58.319 their own narrative within the story, which is even more 773 00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:58.680 important. 774 00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:00.960 Spoiler alert, I hate batan. 775 00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:03.059 What a thing to say. 776 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:04.859 I just thought I'd get it in there. 777 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.640 That's a that's a next that's another story, though. 778 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:09.180 That is, yes. 779 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.900 Can't have 2 guest star women in the same story. 780 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.259 It's like having 4 people doing a podcast. would it be? 781 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.740 You know, I think that Sarah is very strong. 782 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.079 You love her in this one don't you? 783 00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:22.859 I do. 784 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.500 I love it. her idea that they use the transporter ship. 785 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:26.640 The one that points that out. 786 00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:27.420 Yep. 787 00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:30.359 And her reaction to the doctor's death. again, she gets to do 788 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:30.599 that. 789 00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:34.200 She does that an awful lot this year. and she did with pertly as 790 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:34.319 well. 791 00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:35.519 She's always thinking he's clogged. 792 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.140 Twice in Monster of Paladon. 793 00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:39.599 Are we referencing monster pell in my game? 794 00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:42.180 No, we have to. contractually obliged. 795 00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:46.980 It shows how Elizabeth Sladen grows her performance, so she goes 796 00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:50.039 because when it happens with pertly, she's almost inconsolable 797 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:50.579 with grief. 798 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.819 But in a way she's seen him die now. 799 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.880 So when she thinks he's dead at the end of, at the end of this 800 00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:01.500 story, it's a, it's a very muted, very personal reaction. 801 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:03.480 This is really aware of that, isn't she? 802 00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:04.319 Yeah, yeah. 803 00:33:04.380 --> 00:33:05.940 And I think it's a very deliberate choice. 804 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.099 And, you know, Ian Marta comes over and this could be another 805 00:33:08.099 --> 00:33:12.240 opportunity for him to be chauvinistic, but he actually says, he 806 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:13.859 the doctor, would want you to be brave. 807 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.039 So he's acknowledging that Sarah is a brave person. 808 00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:19.799 He's not saying pull yourself together, you silly girl, or words 809 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:20.339 to that effect. 810 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.799 It's like he'd want you to be brave because I know you can be 811 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:23.279 brave. 812 00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:24.420 I know you can be brave. 813 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.240 Do you remember Liz talking about this story when you talked to 814 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:28.140 her, Todd? 815 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:28.799 at all? 816 00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:30.180 They mostly talked about boys. 817 00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:34.559 What the hell? 818 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.380 Oh, dear, listen, help me now. 819 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:38.759 No, I don't remember. 820 00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:41.640 I actually have to go back and watch the interview, like I mean 821 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:42.480 because you're in the movie. 822 00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:43.319 It's a great interview. 823 00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:45.720 I would love to, if we could host that on the website because Todd 824 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:46.619 is a brilliant. 825 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:47.039 Do you have it? 826 00:33:47.099 --> 00:33:47.940 Can we get it on YouTube? 827 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.019 I do have it. 828 00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:51.420 And most of our listeners are actually folk we don't know. 829 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:51.720 Hello? 830 00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:54.299 We could talk we could talk to Damien and see if he minds us 831 00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:55.440 uploading bits of it? 832 00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:58.200 Listener, if you'd like to, you know, if you're interested in all 833 00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.220 of this stuff. 834 00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:03.960 Do mention us on your iTunes review when you say this. 835 00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:07.740 Can I just say like, like, the interview is not in my mind because 836 00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:11.039 as you're sitting there, you're going, oh, my goodness, I'm 837 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:12.239 interviewing Elizabeth Slater. 838 00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:13.440 What the hell do I say? 839 00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:14.159 My heart is in my mouth. 840 00:34:14.219 --> 00:34:16.800 You're probably still concussed from walking into all those 841 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:17.340 pills. 842 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:18.059 Oh, yes. 843 00:34:18.059 --> 00:34:20.159 I've got some kind of stain on my shirt. 844 00:34:20.219 --> 00:34:20.940 I know I have. 845 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:22.860 That's just the love of dribble. 846 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.019 But it is a beautiful interview. 847 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:28.019 And I mean, Liz never gave a bad interview, but Todd really brings 848 00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:28.860 some great stuff out of it. 849 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.260 So if we could find it, it would be so nice to have those an 850 00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:31.920 adjunct to this podcast. 851 00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:34.739 Yeah, it's not a personal one, but when we get to Genesis of 852 00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:37.139 Daleks, I do have a funny interview story about Liz. 853 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:37.800 Yes, please. 854 00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:38.159 Yeah. 855 00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:41.340 I mean, there's Ian and there's everyone else, but for me, Liz 856 00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:43.679 really does, she's the one I keep watching in this for the 857 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.179 reaction shots and everyone else. 858 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:46.260 It a Liz I keep looking at. 859 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:46.739 You know what? 860 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.019 I'm gonna come back to something you were saying, Nathan. 861 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.119 And I think this is something we should look at over the course of 862 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:51.960 this coming season. 863 00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:52.860 Oh, we will. 864 00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:59.159 As much as, as much as the 1st series of the new Doctor Who was 865 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:00.539 about Rose's journey. 866 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.260 I think this year is about Sarah's journey. 867 00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:08.820 Even more so than the season before where she was introduced for 868 00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:10.500 her coming season or even her last season. 869 00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:11.340 Yeah, what? 870 00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:14.280 Her horrendous journey into Jeopardy every other week. 871 00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:17.699 Yeah, I think I think it's important for the character, but we'll 872 00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:20.039 talk about that more at the end of the season. very Nietzsche and 873 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.320 Nietzschean again, the triumph of her will, yeah. 874 00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:22.860 I love it. 875 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.300 I love this story. 876 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.639 It is spectacularly good, isn't it? 877 00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:29.460 There's nothing, there's not the T word in this for anything. 878 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:30.900 No, nothing's tiresome. 879 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:32.400 Hooray! 880 00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:33.780 We finally found one. 881 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.019 Nathan likes a Doctor Who story. 882 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:41.280 Oh, this is the 1st time as a little boy I ever saw the TARDIS in 883 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:42.840 colour and I found out it was blue. 884 00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:44.159 I'd been drawing it. 885 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.760 We've got a colour set that you shows you how old we all are. 886 00:35:47.820 --> 00:35:50.760 I'd been drawing it brown, which is not a euphemism. 887 00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:51.900 I had been drawing it brown. 888 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.139 And I have a drawing still of myself climbing out of the TARDIS 889 00:35:55.139 --> 00:35:55.800 upended. 890 00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:58.380 And so I have to finally say, thank you, Stephen Moffat, for 891 00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:01.139 making my dreams come true, because that 1st scene with young 892 00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:05.400 Amelia, Pond, and Matt Smith climbing out of the TARDIS is the 893 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.260 thing I'd drawn in 1976. 894 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.500 Oh, yeah, yeah. 895 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:11.280 It's blue. 896 00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:26.820 Thank you, dear listener. 897 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.699 That's all the time we have this week for the Arking Space. 898 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.300 We will be back next week, coming back down to Earth with the 899 00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:34.320 Santaran experiment. 900 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:38.579 In the meantime, you can find us at FlightthroughEntirety.com 901 00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:41.400 flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes, which has an 902 00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:45.119 interesting review mechanic you may want to try out and FTE 903 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:46.559 podcast on Twitter. 904 00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:49.860 Until then, thank you very much for listening and good night. 905 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:50.519 Good night. 906 00:36:50.579 --> 00:36:51.239 Good everyone. 907 00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:52.019 See you soon. 908 00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:57.840 You've been listening to Flat Your Entirety with Todd Beerby 909 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.119 Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone. 910 00:37:00.179 --> 00:37:04.860 This episode, a beneficent god, was recorded on the 14th of June. 911 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.679 The next episode will be released on July 5. 912 00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:12.659 If Harry's speech patterns prove him to be aggressive, God knows 913 00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:13.920 what Noah would make of us. 914 00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:20.460 It's blue. 915 00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:24.480 So is just much like this podcast.