Hello and welcome back to the all-new microsize flight through
entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast where everyone's wearing
space clothes.
Or are we?
I'm Brendan.
I'm Nathan.
I'm Todd.
G'day, copper on me too.
And we're heading into a Doctor Who story filled with regional
access.
Well filled with colonials.
It's the Santarian experiment.
So, this one was mine, and it's it's such an interesting Doctor
Who story.
It's Doctor Who's 1st story, well, entirely short on location.
It's not the 1st story entirely shot on video because, of course, a
robot had its exteriors done on outside broadcast, but it's the
1st story entirely shot on outside broadcast.
It is the 1st story produced for this production block.
It was actually produced after robot, but before arc in space.
This is essentially Arc in Space's location allocation.
They were produced as 16 part story, essentially.
And so I think that that's pretty much all we have to say about
the songs that experiment.
So you are very Tune in next week.
You are very, very cynical and not at all sardonic nature.
And very welcome here.
No, I think it's quite easy to overlook this little 2 part.
It really is very easy.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
This is part of the gestort entity that is the wondrousness of
season 12.
It works beautifully.
It sits perfectly.
Loved it as a boy.
I remember walking home in winter, very cold winter in 1976 or 76
when this was 1st shown.
And having this in my head.
There's something about being on the windy moors.
Tom in that beautiful chocolate great coat and playing around with
his big globe mushrooms on that, which, hello, how did they
survive several, many 1000 years sitting on a heath.
They made a pace hardened dinastream, Richard.
And he does mention that they are slightly corroded. you know
there you go.
You've got hilarious results.
Yeah, Liz Sladen stumbling around in her yellow Mac and her
beanie.
This is proper post-colonial SF, and we don't get that much of
it.
And I'm not just talking about the regional accents.
I'm actually talking about the whole philosophy.
Moral philosophy behind it.
So there's the idea that the people up on Nerva are kind of like
privileged posh people.
They are.
We don't. all over, isn't it?
But Tom, with slightly better usage of Jodie Foster, I think, in
this case.
Well, are they not having her in it?
Well, I just thought Jodie Foster didn't get enough to do in all
these, whereas Wendy Williams gets a hell of a lot.
I don't know, fair enough.
So they're kind of posh.
We don't actually really strictly believing them.
And so all we don't. so long ago.
Yeah, all that's left of the people that Vara was calling or no
we're calling regressive.
Yeah.
And there's some awful lines that are even cut out about the
filthy colonials, the filthy.
Yeah, well, colonialism's a bit of a Bob Holmes trope, isn't it?
I mean, the last...
Oh, have a drink, listen. yes Well, of course, there's some tarans
themselves.
Very colonial.
Well, even, even we discover, you know, in ark in space that the
we're in attack is the result of colonial, you know, the human
colonists, colonise, Andromeda, and destroy, they destroy the
breeding grounds and kill the we're in.
And so that's why they wear and come back. the result of
colonialism.
It's something that is present in a lot of homes is writing.
And sometimes to its detriment, as we'll discover.
It's a lovely to have a villain who's entirely vindicated to the
point that, well, if I was in their situation, Would I behave any
differently?
I don't know.
Would you eat someone's brain?
Probably, probably not.
We've just had lunch, so, you know.
Not until 3 or 4 o'clock, anyway.
So now in this story, we see the other side of it, don't we?
We see the colonists, the galsec colonists.
Does it stand for galactic security?
I keep looking up.
I keep looking it up.
I thought it was a shiny fabric.
Oh, people spell it G-A-L capital SEC.
Yeah, so it's galactic security or galactic sector, perhaps.
Okay.
But they're all from South Africa.
Yes, they all have these South African accents.
And of course, the writer of the Space Museum, who was South
African Glenn Jones, is one of them.
I think that's... spectacular.
He's recently handsome, actually.
He's a bit older than the others maybe.
I believe he's Christ, is that right?
Yeah, he's Crans.
He's grand.
But it doesn't show.
Yeah, no, he looks quite well to me.
It's just hard to imagine that this is the same show as the space
museum, right?
Like I adore the Space Museum.
I absolutely love it to death.
Even the bits that everyone else hates.
This is just, you know, absolutely. light years away.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, the fact that we're not in the studio, as Brendan
mentioned, that we are in this incredible, huge location.
Do you know where we are, though?
We're in torture porn land.
This is actually about cruelty.
It starts off with an unforgiving, blighted landscape.
You know, they wanted to actually have Lord Nelson popping up out
of one of the crags out of one of the hills, but they just
couldn't they just didn't have the money for the mortal. over
there, yeah.
They didn't have the money for the model.
Yeah.
But yeah, it would have been it's very Planet of the Apes, isn't
it, when you see the Statue of Liberty in the final scene.
And that's where it would have come from.
I'm kind of glad they didn't do it We're influenced by another
film here, just like we were influenced by robot.
Sorry, just like we were influenced by King Kong backwards robot.
We had the influence of Planet of the Apes slightly here.
Although here it's not a twist that it's earth.
We know that it's Earth.
On the topic of it being kind of torture porn.
Well, released just the year before was the Texas Chainsaw
Massacre, which, of course, kickstarted this whole really 50 year
run of quite violent, sadistic, horrific, torture-based films.
So we see this on Torans doing that in this story.
And what's amazing is Arkan Space was so atmospheric because of
its tight claustrophobic sets.
Even the vast chamber that all of humanity is stored in.
It's tall.
It's like a silo, rather than being expansive on the ground.
So it still feels quite small where it can be shot quite small.
This story manages to be atmospheric in wide open spaces.
We don't often get a horizon in Doctor Who.
Yeah absolutely. full episodes of nothing, but...
Yeah, no, there's no buildings.
And because there's no buildings, there's no authority to run to
there's no unit, there's no brigadier.
It's yeah, exactly. chaos.
And the threat is even more so because of that.
So this is a sort of Nazism thing, don't you think?
The experiments of the Sonter is running.
Oh yes, I take your point.
Yeah, they're like Nazi.
Yeah, yeah.
He's Joseph Mengler.
And so, you know, he's he's drowned somewhere.
Like he's tested someone's resistance to being immersed in
fluids.
I love his conclusion.
I conclude that the human beings have very little resistance to
being immersed in fluids. good on him.
They were all space boys, you know, you should have just tested
out their resilience to being drunk.
We have really come out on top.
Yeah, and so, you know, burning his burned, he's burned.
R?
He's burned roth.
Roth is my favourite character.
Does he test Zake?
He tests Akes resistance to being pushed off a cliff.
No, he does.
It's Walsh. is an uncredited Terry Walsh.
Terry Walsh is the star.
Oh, no, he is credited.
Oh, is he?
He does actually receive an on-screen credit.
He does think it's a new wig in this.
He does.
He doesn't receive an...
We'll come to that later.
He doesn't receive an onset screen credit for his other major role
which we will get too.
Yeah, I would like to talk a bit more about the galsec team.
As Richard intimated earlier, they are all given South African
accents, which was quite topical at the time.
Of course, the Springbok tours, the Springbok tours, for almost 30
years, apartheid had been active in South Africa, but at this
point international pressure was very high, but also internal
pressure was very high.
The student and trade unions were both protesting and picketing in
South Africa for the abolition of apartheid.
So I think it's very interesting that either the writers, Bob
Baker and Dave Martin, impossibly their most focussed script to
date, because it's so short, so tight, or possibly the director
Rodney Bennett, who's very good.
One of those 3 or any combination must have decided we're going to
make these colonists South African.
How many theatres are actually South African?
None of them.
Well, except Glen Jones.
No, apparently they all put it on rehearsals and that's good
enough for the BBC.
Yeah, and Glyn Jones sort of coach them on the accent.
Yeah, yeah, I think they're fine.
Better than my terrible cod South Africa.
Yeah, African.
You can draw one of 2 conclusions from it.
You can say either that the criticism of the apartheid regime at
the time has had the effect of at this point in the future.
Obviously, we're very far in the future.
South Africa has obviously done well in order to form members of a
space service entirely together, but at the same time, like up on
the ark, everyone's white.
Well, my theory is that it's the South African version of Starship
UK from Beast Below, because what's also happening at this time is
of the solar flares is a lot of posh white people get into the
arc.
And then a whole bunch of other English people get into Starship
UK in order to evade...
And of course, they haven't had its own share. where they would.
And South Africa, presumably, is where Galsek gets its people
from.
I think it's just you want them to be colonials.
You want them to be from the Dominion.
So the people from Earth speak with English accents and the people
from Earth colonies speak with accents that come from former
British colonies.
Surely that's the reason.
And they've also developed, and I mean, it's limited in the story
of course, because you can't have too much of it, but they have
their own lexicon.
They were playing a lot with it.
They tried it in Arc in Space and both homes was very interested
in the progression, the consonantal shift.
Isn't that a terrible expression?
of language growth.
There's a few lines.
And if you watch the Arkin Space commentaries, you can see.
They have a very different vocabulary, don't they?
Yeah, they play around with all of that.
Yeah, whereas the language changes for the Galsek colonists, it's
very much based on portmanteaus, running words together.
So you understand, it becomes younger.
Yeah, you understand.
I thought that was just Roth.
Oh no, they all say it.
They also, like when they're interrogating the doctor, when Burl
is interrogating the doctor, he says, you understand?
The other one that really sticks in my mind is, and this relates
to their, obviously, technological society being from space
colonies and travelling back to Earth.
Whenever they say yes, very often they don't say yes, they say
check.
As you would do with a technical check.
Yeah, so when they're trying to pick holes in the doctor's story
saying, you said you came by transporter.
Check, check.
Well, the transporter doesn't work.
Check, check.
So therefore you're wrong.
Check, check.
I can really see that that's Robert Holmes' influence because
Linguistics hasn't been much of a focus for the show before, but
we will see it going through the next 3 years.
Very much so when we get our next doctor's companion.
Yes, indeed.
That's a spoiler alert, I believe, to use your expression.
I really love how bleak this is.
It's from the windscript, windscript landscape too, how they
look.
They look so dirty, they just look like they've been weeks.
They've all got beards.
They look like they've been at a dance party all weekend.
They're cast apart from you.
Yes, quite.
Yeah, no, I think that's right.
And also that horrible little robot with its little... don't like
the robot?
No, no, no, the robot.
No, that's not what I said.
Oh, okay.
Oh, horrible.
As in, it's an answer.
Actually, as a child, I'm even watching it again now.
I just am freaked out by it.
The fact that it is quite flimsy, but it can actually rope them
all up.
And insectoid and non-anthropomorphic.
Just in case you missed it.
That's lovely. 70s decals on it.
It does have gorgeous.
Big blank set, thorax again.
It a bit blank seven, isn't it, actually?
Yeah, no, it's terrible.
Well, I really like it.
It is really good.
I love the supporting cast.
And also, just before we go back to the supporting cast, The shape
of that robot's head, that odd sort of double trapezoid shape
there is a library in South London that looks exactly like it
complete with the windows, complete with the windows to emulate
the eyes of the insectoid robot.
I believe I have a photo somewhere on my computer.
I will try and find it for the show notes.
Was this built after?
Oh, yes, long after.
I have put...
I just thought Bob Baker and Dave Martin might have actually got
inspiration.
No, no, it's probably the other way around.
Architects do this.
I can't, and I, you know, and luckily no client's listening to
this.
I have put homages to the roundels, the Tartar circular walls on
most jobs.
I've got away with it a couple of times.
They're your fjords.
They are.
And I've got the bean to prove it.
I was just freaked out by this as a kid.
I think and I think it's the torture of Sarah. really, really does
me in.
What happens to torture for the listeners?
So with Sarah, she gets scared by cliffs.
Snakes, fake, snakes.
Yeah, inflatable snake.
And creeping mud.
Yeah, that's horrifying.
And then Tom...
It's porridge, though.
Tom rips her thing off and she goes unconscious.
It's really, but it's really brutal.
Like he's someone's dying of first, you know, later on he's gonna
get them to not crush Voral's thorax.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, it is awful.
And the scene with Sarah is really, really frightening and she
plays frightened so well.
She does it so well.
She actually hypens it.
It's that old thing of if you're going to bring a monster back, you
have to up the threat.
So before, we just have one son, Tyron, here, we only have once on
time.
We see his boss, the field major, field marshal.
He's identical other than the busty substances on his collar.
Yeah, he does.
He's got enormous chalk bit breastplates.
Well, I think he's like the...
He's like the whatever it is, the Grand Admiral, whatever, from
Seeds of Death, who is the same sequence.
Even it should be Cyril Shepp, shouldn't he?
His other arch man, right?
In space.
You know, I do wonder if that's how sort of marshals in generals
are ranked in the Santara and armed forces.
You know, on Earth, we have stars for generals.
Maybe they have like a 2 breasted general.
I don't know.
I love the way in which Sarah, you know, thinks that he's
absolutely identical.
Oh, he is.
He's got the same number of fingers and everything.
Exactly.
Hang on, though.
This has been many, many 1000s of years.
There's nothing to say that the...
No, but she thinks.
She thinks it's less.
Look, maybe she's like Katie and doesn't wear glasses on.
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.
So it was that thing where Kevin Lindsay found the fibreglass mask
to much. too hard to wear.
Yeah, yeah.
And so it's replaced...
There were lots of pauses during the shoot where they just they
had to bring him his lunch in a little paper bag when everyone
was...
He couldn't.
With the combination of the mask, the suit, and his heart
trouble.
And I heard sadly a year later would claim his life.
They just had to put his sandwiches in a blender and feed it in
through his probic vent, apparently.
The most expensive thing in this entire production.
The thing that costs more than anything else, including the
location shoot.
I'm going to go the suit.
What?
The suit is made of Myla.
Milar is the stuff that was developed as a skin for satellites.
It's silver, plastic.
It's terribly, terribly thin and fragile.
Why did they use it to make Kevin Lindsay suit?
It meant that Terry Walsh had to be terribly delicate and careful
with Stuart Phil, who was dressed up as Kevin Lindsay for the
fight scenes because the stuff tears.
It does look pretty impressive, but it costs a bomb.
Yeah.
See, I actually think again, you know, I've said about the tone of
season 12 before, and I'm going to go on and on and on about it.
The last time we saw this on Tarans, it was all wacky capers and
high japes, and they were dressing up as fryers, and, you know
throwing stink bombs into castles and stuff, and it was all jolly
and really fun.
But now we're just doing Nazi torture doctors.
Do you know what I mean?
And I just kind of like I like this story, I guess, although I'll
deny it if you if you press me.
The drink list. good thing those comments aren't being recorded.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I never said anything.
But I do worry about the tone, and it is another thing where I
sort of think, why the hell would Sarah ever get back in the
TARDIS again after this stuff happens.
But don't we feel that this is just a reflection of the current
times in the red so-called real world?
You know what Britain was going through right now?
A fuel crisis to the point that, you know, they had the 3 day
week.
People were having power cuts, which would have gone for several
hours during each day.
And the government had sanctioned and it was much publicised.
They were testing students who were getting paid to do the results
at the time, of going pretty much the same kinds of things, of
subjecting them to cold, subjecting them to living without
electricity, and all these other things.
It was there was talk in the press of old people dying because
freezing at home because of power cuts.
So Britain was going through the same level of ardour.
Britain should say after the war.
Do you know what I mean?
If Doctor Who's going to be sort of all about Nazi torturers, you
know, whenever Britain's having a bad time politically, I mean, the
last 12 years of Doctor Who would have been pretty rough, I
think.
See, it's not about the torture, though.
This is where I have to disagree with you because Texas Chainsaw
Mascot is about the torture.
And the reason you know that is that Leatherface is still alive at
the end.
This is about the spirit of human endurance and the spirit of
human compassion.
Because at the end, when he's doing the double test of human
strength versus the strength of the ribcage.
Yeah, compressibility of...
You know, he Styre sums up the theme of the story, which is he is
a traitor to your kind.
Why do you still fight to save him?
And it's because he is still of their kind.
And he has been working, you know, to try to buy them type.
Yes, he's a collaborator.
I just thought they didn't want bits of lung all over their space
clothing.
Do you know what I mean?
Like if they dropped the thing, it would be messy and kind of
unpleasant to look at.
But well, this is the point.
They are so against torture that they will fight to save someone
they hate as well as fighting to save themselves.
Harry's 1st response when he finds that poor guy whose character
doesn't even get a name dangling from the cliff face, dehydration
is to hydrate him.
And of course, you know, he's a doctor.
He heals the sick.
But he doesn't attempt to find out what's going on and why he is
there. 1st response is to treat him.
When Sarah 1st encounters Roth, who I agree with you, Richard, of
the human, guess characters, is the strongest one and the one we
like the most.
And when he's killed.
It's very affecting.
But again, because of Sarah's reaction, but it's the 1st reaction
to him is she sees the burns on his arms.
And you know what?
Sarah, a year ago, probably would have run away from that
situation, the same way that she's nervous around Alpha Centuria
nervous around Bilal.
Compare that to how she reacts to the K1 robot a few stories ago
where she immediately treats him like a sentient being when no one
else will.
This story is a bit smoochy, if you want to be honest.
Yeah, this story, it does contain torture and it is, it is
harrowing and it is disturbing to see these images, but it is
about that spirit of resilience.
And perhaps there are better ways to explore that spirit of
resilience.
But I think maybe that's why Sarah sticks around because even
though she's put through these horrible situations, she can help
others.
But you see, I think that you're overselling the spirit of
resilience thing, to be honest, because in 50 minutes of like this
2 episode story.
We had like basically one piece of evidence that that's the theme
you know what I mean?
Harry would do that anyway.
Our heroes are all good guys.
So, you know, we expect them to behave morally.
So you've got this one thing where the guys don't want to drop the
big gravity bar on rural's chest.
I don't know that's enough to say that this is a great triumph of
human, blah, blah, blah, over torturing guys.
Well, they don't kill the doctor the 1st 2nd they find him.
They try and find out information from them to find their missing
crewmen.
They keep wanting to kill him, though, don't they?
They keep they keep threatening to, but they don't.
And then when they do see their missing crewmate, they forget all
about the doctor.
It becomes all about finding Roth and trying to save him and
finding out what is going on.
They're only so angry with the doctor because they think they've
killed their friends, Ake.
Terry.
Yeah.
They think the doctors killed Terry.
No, I think they're quite a tight knit bunch.
And in a way, they're more human than the people up on Nerva.
Because of that camaraderie.
We're presented to very different facets of humanity in 2 stories
and I believe it is deliberate.
What do you think?
Well, I think I've just learned something, dear listener, that
I've even thought of before in my entire life.
I just want to be entertained for week to week and go along with
the ride.
Is this entertaining?
Do you think, Todd?
It's disturbing and and as a kid, I really found this really hard
to sit through.
Even now of all the stories in the season, I find it the hardest
to sit through because of what's going on there.
I also think it is a bit disposable. you know what I mean?
Given that all of the guest characters are roughly
interchangeable.
Do you know what I mean?
It's just a bunch of white guys with beards, wearing the same
clothes as each other.
I guess so, and also too, it comes out of the factory that there
was a six-part story, which has now been split up into 4 parts and
2 parts. something that Bob Holmes is going to continually do with
6 part stories from here on here.
Next story.
Yeah.
They do have a line in there.
They say Nerva has never been found.
Hello?
And it's not that far.
It always jarred with me.
Like, it's a big frigging space thing.
And you've got here onto this planet somehow, surely, unless it
was on the dark side of the planet when you orbit it.
Yeah, it's very, it is a very strange line.
It's not in orbit of Earth, is it?
It is.
As you see, it is.
Yeah, clearly, yeah.
They must move it around.
It'll be, you know, Jupiter soon.
That's crazy.
Imagine moving it that far.
But I guess a big thing in this episode, well, this story is the
fact that, you know, Tom broke his collarbone.
So he's largely played by Terry Walsh in episode two. like more
than ever before.
So, yeah, poor Tom.
He films one story at the same time as John is filming his last
story.
So he gets a nice long holiday in between, turns up on location.
I think 2 or 3 days on.
He tries to clamber over a rock because he's like, I'm 40 and I
blame his man of action and I'm Doctor Who went, oh, I've just
done something bad.
Poor bugger.
I actually think the wig and all that is okay.
It's the way Terry Walsh actually moves.
He doesn't have the same body movements.
And so it just doesn't sell it in long shot.
I don't know how I never spotted it before because watching it
this time.
And I'm kind of primed for Terry.
Like my Terry Antennae are pretty good by this stage.
And just every 2nd shot is Terry Walsh.
It's amazing.
I mean, as a kid, I never saw that.
No, no, me neither, yeah.
I think it really helps, just like it did in Planet of the
Spiders.
The wig is so good.
It's such a close match for Tom that it is really, really good.
And there is the obligatory moment where if Terry Walsh is playing
a stunt double.
You've got to have this obligatory moment where you see his face
which is the last time he tackles Styer.
Do have a look towards the end of episode 2 and they overdub it
with a line of dialogue from Tom to try and sell it.
And sort of Terry is holding his hands up in kind of in front of
his face because he's about to grab Styer from behind.
As his arms sort of come down, you see that it's Terry Walsh sort
of grunting with exertion.
Awesome.
So do keep an eye out for that.
But I do think, though, in this whole situation, the person really
worthy of praise is Tom, who is sitting there with a broken
collarbone and neck brace under his giant overcoat, and it's just
lucky that he happened to be wearing that for this story, and just
getting on with his lines.
The only difference is he's so still, whereas he's been so active
earlier on, but that's okay.
The 4th doctor stares off into the middle distance for his
dialogue all the time.
I think, good on you, Tom, for just getting on with it, in what, in
a modern production would set everything back by a few weeks, or
they just put trigger from only fools and horses in a wheelchair.
You know what happened?
You know what happened to Todd though?
You know what?
That's not for this podcast.
You know what happened?
have to cut that out as well.
You know what happened to Tom when he broke his collarbone?
It was Roger Murray Leach, who drove him.
It's the most isolated bit of England you can get to.
It's 80 miles drive to town and Tom was slashed up, so to speak, in
the scarf.
They used the scarf as a tourniquet, and bound him up, and all the
way back, Roger Murray Leach was saying, Tom was utterly
whitefaced terrified that they would cut him.
It hadn't gone out yet.
Tom hadn't been saying, that's it.
They just going to replace me.
So he's really, this is the anti-Tom.
He's really well behaved on set and chining at everybody.
Once he's sure of himself, though, nothing can stop him short of a
blow to the probic fan.
You can see the lovely Thorax, though, it is.
You can see the ontological thread.
Have another drink.
That Tom is to become in this, though, can't you?
Just as in, you can in arc in space.
And yes, in robot, he's he's so powerful.
He's so jolly.
He's just such an enormous man.
He's an enormous mind, enormous humour, huge personality, that
ego.
You can see the monster that is about to come in the Williams era
but this is why I really like him in this.
He's still got the lid on him and Hinchcliffe, he has so much
respect for Hinchcliffe and gratitude.
Both ways, but also Hinchcliffe has a mighty powerful, quiet
presence and he's exactly the Tupperware lid needed to keep Tom
down.
And Ian and Liz.
He not going to misbehave with those two.
I just can't believe that I never spotted it as a kid.
The injury and how still he is in that 2nd episode.
You can see it now that we're looking for it.
I'm also wondering, like, you know, Ian Marta throws himself down
that ravine or whatever it is with some force.
I mean, I'm surprised he didn't injure himself.
With that particular form.
Yeah, I mean, it does look like him, doesn't it?
It does, isn't it?
I don't know.
And I've tried to look it up and all the usual sources, doesn't
it?
I have to go back to the ark in space with those bottoms that
follow you around the room.
That's how you know it's real art listener, the bottoms follow
when they're under the desk.
Can I say Ian Levine or did I say Ian Martin?
I can't remember.
Is it the same bosom?
that goes down the ravine?
Oh, we are getting behind our films now.
I love the fact that Harry has to go and save the day.
He knows exactly how to use the Sonic screwdriver, have he never
seen it before?
No, no, no.
It's quite wonderful because the doctor gives him some
instruction.
And when he's holding out the Sonic Screwdriver, he holds it out
as far as he can and then turns his face away, winces.
You know, it's like very nervously opening a bottle of very fizzy
champagne.
Oh, God, Anne Marta's wonderful.
I love the moment when Styre just flames.
I remember that as a kid. great, isn't it?
And then, of course, we've still got the massive invasion fleet
that we've just talked about and we've very cheaply realised by
just having Kevin Lindsay on a sort of 60s space television in the
rocks.
And then a wibbly, wobbly, timey, wimey way, they suddenly become
Vogons from the hitchhiker's got to the galaxy because they can't
invade the planet without...
It's a very, it's, it's a good ending, but it's a very strange
ending.
No, it's not a good ending.
And he goes, next time, I will destroy you and that's it.
And he even sort of switches the thing off and that's that whole
invasion gone.
It's your Waterloo marshal.
Oh, when you get a comic ending with the transmants popping in and
out, just like we had at the beginning of the story.
Such humour.
Thanks, Bob, Baker and Dave Martin.
Except you don't end up with Slade an A over T, do you?
When this was 1st released, it came out as a double pack with
Genesis of the Talent.
Yeah, on VHS.
Did it also come out that way on DVD?
No, DD, it came out individually.
It was the 1st 2 part story to be released on DVD.
And it was cheaper price with that, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was, it was this interesting thing of, they 1st announced
that it was going to be a cheaper price with fewer special
features, but then when they released it, they also paired it up
with the other existing Santaran stories and put them in a box set
which meant there was a budget for a documentary.
And the whole thinking it to entertain at the time was that, oh, if
we have a budget range of titles, we can put more money into the
special features on the full price range of titles.
And they discovered that the price they charged the DD had no
bearing on the pre-sales, they were expecting more pre-sales for
the cheaper ones and less pre-sales otherwise.
So they just put everything back up to the same price.
Thanks, babe.
Is it okay to say that this podcast is actually as long as
watching the sundown experiment.
You might as well just turn the sound down.
We couldn't keep you. right.
Well, if we go on any longer, dear listener, I'm afraid that one
of us will break a collarbone, so that's all the time we have for
this episode.
We will be back next week. talking about one of the amazing
classics of Doctor Who, or is it?
Genesis of the Daleks.
It's terrible.
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Until then, thank you very much for listening and good night.
Good night.
See you soon.
Happy Terry Walshing.
That was Flight Through Entirety.
It's Todd Building, Nathan Buttonley, Bradman Jones, and Richard
Stone.
This episode, Chalk Bit Breastplates, was recorded on Sunday, June
14th.
The next episode will be released on 12th of July.
If that was just on Taran's Waterloo, I can't wait to hear their
Mamma Mia.
Okay, I'm just gonna check something because I do... where we
stand.
And George Powell was there.
In silver underwear.
Claude Reigns was the invisible man.
I haven't seen that since I was 18.
Really?
It's incoherent.
No, my friend Alexandra.
Her Aunt Rose was the original Janet in the Australian
production.
Just some great stories.
I don't know if she's still alive actually.
Rose was too fabulous.
Hello, darling.
And clinch.
Oh, no.
No.
Welcome.
Quite through it.
That's the cutaway line.
That's great.
You should do that.
Please do that.
Hello and welcome to Flightthrough Entirety.
G'day, Coba.
We're all doing regional today.
Hey, we're all doing Kalani.