WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 14:40:35 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.240 Hello and welcome back to the all-new microsize flight through 2 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.359 entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast where everyone's wearing 3 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:37.500 space clothes. 4 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:38.579 Or are we? 5 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:39.179 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:39.899 I'm Nathan. 7 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:40.679 I'm Todd. 8 00:00:40.740 --> 00:00:42.240 G'day, copper on me too. 9 00:00:43.500 --> 00:00:47.759 And we're heading into a Doctor Who story filled with regional 10 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:48.179 access. 11 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:49.560 Well filled with colonials. 12 00:00:49.740 --> 00:00:52.320 It's the Santarian experiment. 13 00:00:58.380 --> 00:01:03.060 So, this one was mine, and it's it's such an interesting Doctor 14 00:01:03.060 --> 00:01:03.719 Who story. 15 00:01:03.780 --> 00:01:09.239 It's Doctor Who's 1st story, well, entirely short on location. 16 00:01:09.299 --> 00:01:13.200 It's not the 1st story entirely shot on video because, of course, a 17 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.019 robot had its exteriors done on outside broadcast, but it's the 18 00:01:16.019 --> 00:01:18.299 1st story entirely shot on outside broadcast. 19 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:23.099 It is the 1st story produced for this production block. 20 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.040 It was actually produced after robot, but before arc in space. 21 00:01:26.099 --> 00:01:30.659 This is essentially Arc in Space's location allocation. 22 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.659 They were produced as 16 part story, essentially. 23 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.079 And so I think that that's pretty much all we have to say about 24 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:38.640 the songs that experiment. 25 00:01:38.700 --> 00:01:40.799 So you are very Tune in next week. 26 00:01:40.859 --> 00:01:44.280 You are very, very cynical and not at all sardonic nature. 27 00:01:44.340 --> 00:01:45.659 And very welcome here. 28 00:01:45.780 --> 00:01:50.219 No, I think it's quite easy to overlook this little 2 part. 29 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:51.599 It really is very easy. 30 00:01:51.659 --> 00:01:53.640 Hang on, hang on, hang on. 31 00:01:53.700 --> 00:01:57.239 This is part of the gestort entity that is the wondrousness of 32 00:01:57.239 --> 00:01:57.840 season 12. 33 00:01:58.079 --> 00:01:59.700 It works beautifully. 34 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:00.780 It sits perfectly. 35 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.159 Loved it as a boy. 36 00:02:02.219 --> 00:02:06.840 I remember walking home in winter, very cold winter in 1976 or 76 37 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:07.859 when this was 1st shown. 38 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:09.120 And having this in my head. 39 00:02:09.180 --> 00:02:11.520 There's something about being on the windy moors. 40 00:02:11.580 --> 00:02:16.020 Tom in that beautiful chocolate great coat and playing around with 41 00:02:16.020 --> 00:02:20.400 his big globe mushrooms on that, which, hello, how did they 42 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.879 survive several, many 1000 years sitting on a heath. 43 00:02:23.939 --> 00:02:27.240 They made a pace hardened dinastream, Richard. 44 00:02:27.300 --> 00:02:31.319 And he does mention that they are slightly corroded. you know 45 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:31.740 there you go. 46 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:33.419 You've got hilarious results. 47 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:37.500 Yeah, Liz Sladen stumbling around in her yellow Mac and her 48 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:37.860 beanie. 49 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:42.419 This is proper post-colonial SF, and we don't get that much of 50 00:02:42.419 --> 00:02:42.659 it. 51 00:02:42.780 --> 00:02:45.840 And I'm not just talking about the regional accents. 52 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:49.199 I'm actually talking about the whole philosophy. 53 00:02:49.259 --> 00:02:50.520 Moral philosophy behind it. 54 00:02:50.580 --> 00:02:54.840 So there's the idea that the people up on Nerva are kind of like 55 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:56.819 privileged posh people. 56 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:57.300 They are. 57 00:02:57.300 --> 00:02:59.639 We don't. all over, isn't it? 58 00:02:59.699 --> 00:03:03.120 But Tom, with slightly better usage of Jodie Foster, I think, in 59 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:03.599 this case. 60 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:04.680 Well, are they not having her in it? 61 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.680 Well, I just thought Jodie Foster didn't get enough to do in all 62 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.020 these, whereas Wendy Williams gets a hell of a lot. 63 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:10.860 I don't know, fair enough. 64 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:12.360 So they're kind of posh. 65 00:03:12.419 --> 00:03:14.099 We don't actually really strictly believing them. 66 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:16.439 And so all we don't. so long ago. 67 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.979 Yeah, all that's left of the people that Vara was calling or no 68 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:20.879 we're calling regressive. 69 00:03:20.939 --> 00:03:21.539 Yeah. 70 00:03:21.539 --> 00:03:24.000 And there's some awful lines that are even cut out about the 71 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:25.620 filthy colonials, the filthy. 72 00:03:25.620 --> 00:03:29.520 Yeah, well, colonialism's a bit of a Bob Holmes trope, isn't it? 73 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:30.659 I mean, the last... 74 00:03:30.659 --> 00:03:34.199 Oh, have a drink, listen. yes Well, of course, there's some tarans 75 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:34.620 themselves. 76 00:03:34.740 --> 00:03:35.699 Very colonial. 77 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.900 Well, even, even we discover, you know, in ark in space that the 78 00:03:39.900 --> 00:03:43.740 we're in attack is the result of colonial, you know, the human 79 00:03:43.740 --> 00:03:47.340 colonists, colonise, Andromeda, and destroy, they destroy the 80 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:50.580 breeding grounds and kill the we're in. 81 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:52.979 And so that's why they wear and come back. the result of 82 00:03:52.979 --> 00:03:53.819 colonialism. 83 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.879 It's something that is present in a lot of homes is writing. 84 00:03:56.939 --> 00:03:59.939 And sometimes to its detriment, as we'll discover. 85 00:04:00.060 --> 00:04:03.240 It's a lovely to have a villain who's entirely vindicated to the 86 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.819 point that, well, if I was in their situation, Would I behave any 87 00:04:05.819 --> 00:04:06.120 differently? 88 00:04:06.180 --> 00:04:06.960 I don't know. 89 00:04:07.020 --> 00:04:08.159 Would you eat someone's brain? 90 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:09.719 Probably, probably not. 91 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:11.280 We've just had lunch, so, you know. 92 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:14.039 Not until 3 or 4 o'clock, anyway. 93 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.620 So now in this story, we see the other side of it, don't we? 94 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:20.160 We see the colonists, the galsec colonists. 95 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:22.019 Does it stand for galactic security? 96 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:23.040 I keep looking up. 97 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:23.939 I keep looking it up. 98 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:25.319 I thought it was a shiny fabric. 99 00:04:25.379 --> 00:04:28.439 Oh, people spell it G-A-L capital SEC. 100 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:31.620 Yeah, so it's galactic security or galactic sector, perhaps. 101 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:32.279 Okay. 102 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:33.660 But they're all from South Africa. 103 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.240 Yes, they all have these South African accents. 104 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:40.139 And of course, the writer of the Space Museum, who was South 105 00:04:40.139 --> 00:04:41.819 African Glenn Jones, is one of them. 106 00:04:41.939 --> 00:04:43.920 I think that's... spectacular. 107 00:04:43.980 --> 00:04:45.660 He's recently handsome, actually. 108 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:47.519 He's a bit older than the others maybe. 109 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:49.800 I believe he's Christ, is that right? 110 00:04:49.860 --> 00:04:50.579 Yeah, he's Crans. 111 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:51.180 He's grand. 112 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:52.620 But it doesn't show. 113 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.079 Yeah, no, he looks quite well to me. 114 00:04:55.139 --> 00:04:59.100 It's just hard to imagine that this is the same show as the space 115 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:00.300 museum, right? 116 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.459 Like I adore the Space Museum. 117 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:03.959 I absolutely love it to death. 118 00:05:04.019 --> 00:05:05.699 Even the bits that everyone else hates. 119 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:09.300 This is just, you know, absolutely. light years away. 120 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:09.779 Yeah, yeah. 121 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.120 Well, you know, the fact that we're not in the studio, as Brendan 122 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.300 mentioned, that we are in this incredible, huge location. 123 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:16.860 Do you know where we are, though? 124 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:18.300 We're in torture porn land. 125 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:20.339 This is actually about cruelty. 126 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:23.399 It starts off with an unforgiving, blighted landscape. 127 00:05:23.459 --> 00:05:27.300 You know, they wanted to actually have Lord Nelson popping up out 128 00:05:27.300 --> 00:05:29.519 of one of the crags out of one of the hills, but they just 129 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.819 couldn't they just didn't have the money for the mortal. over 130 00:05:32.819 --> 00:05:33.180 there, yeah. 131 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:34.439 They didn't have the money for the model. 132 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:34.680 Yeah. 133 00:05:34.740 --> 00:05:37.079 But yeah, it would have been it's very Planet of the Apes, isn't 134 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.959 it, when you see the Statue of Liberty in the final scene. 135 00:05:40.019 --> 00:05:41.459 And that's where it would have come from. 136 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:44.040 I'm kind of glad they didn't do it We're influenced by another 137 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.759 film here, just like we were influenced by robot. 138 00:05:47.819 --> 00:05:50.759 Sorry, just like we were influenced by King Kong backwards robot. 139 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:53.519 We had the influence of Planet of the Apes slightly here. 140 00:05:53.579 --> 00:05:56.399 Although here it's not a twist that it's earth. 141 00:05:56.459 --> 00:05:57.420 We know that it's Earth. 142 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.300 On the topic of it being kind of torture porn. 143 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.139 Well, released just the year before was the Texas Chainsaw 144 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:10.199 Massacre, which, of course, kickstarted this whole really 50 year 145 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:17.639 run of quite violent, sadistic, horrific, torture-based films. 146 00:06:17.699 --> 00:06:21.600 So we see this on Torans doing that in this story. 147 00:06:21.660 --> 00:06:26.459 And what's amazing is Arkan Space was so atmospheric because of 148 00:06:26.459 --> 00:06:28.680 its tight claustrophobic sets. 149 00:06:28.740 --> 00:06:32.459 Even the vast chamber that all of humanity is stored in. 150 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:33.060 It's tall. 151 00:06:33.180 --> 00:06:36.839 It's like a silo, rather than being expansive on the ground. 152 00:06:36.899 --> 00:06:39.540 So it still feels quite small where it can be shot quite small. 153 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:44.459 This story manages to be atmospheric in wide open spaces. 154 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:46.560 We don't often get a horizon in Doctor Who. 155 00:06:46.620 --> 00:06:48.779 Yeah absolutely. full episodes of nothing, but... 156 00:06:48.779 --> 00:06:50.040 Yeah, no, there's no buildings. 157 00:06:50.100 --> 00:06:52.920 And because there's no buildings, there's no authority to run to 158 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.720 there's no unit, there's no brigadier. 159 00:06:54.779 --> 00:06:56.879 It's yeah, exactly. chaos. 160 00:06:56.939 --> 00:06:59.579 And the threat is even more so because of that. 161 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:04.800 So this is a sort of Nazism thing, don't you think? 162 00:07:04.860 --> 00:07:06.779 The experiments of the Sonter is running. 163 00:07:06.899 --> 00:07:07.980 Oh yes, I take your point. 164 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.259 Yeah, they're like Nazi. 165 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:10.680 Yeah, yeah. 166 00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:11.879 He's Joseph Mengler. 167 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:13.860 And so, you know, he's he's drowned somewhere. 168 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.459 Like he's tested someone's resistance to being immersed in 169 00:07:17.459 --> 00:07:17.939 fluids. 170 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:19.500 I love his conclusion. 171 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:24.000 I conclude that the human beings have very little resistance to 172 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.279 being immersed in fluids. good on him. 173 00:07:26.339 --> 00:07:29.399 They were all space boys, you know, you should have just tested 174 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.259 out their resilience to being drunk. 175 00:07:32.939 --> 00:07:35.699 We have really come out on top. 176 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:40.500 Yeah, and so, you know, burning his burned, he's burned. 177 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:42.300 R? 178 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:43.319 He's burned roth. 179 00:07:43.379 --> 00:07:44.879 Roth is my favourite character. 180 00:07:44.939 --> 00:07:46.319 Does he test Zake? 181 00:07:46.379 --> 00:07:49.319 He tests Akes resistance to being pushed off a cliff. 182 00:07:49.740 --> 00:07:51.899 No, he does. 183 00:07:51.899 --> 00:07:55.199 It's Walsh. is an uncredited Terry Walsh. 184 00:07:55.259 --> 00:07:56.160 Terry Walsh is the star. 185 00:07:56.220 --> 00:07:57.120 Oh, no, he is credited. 186 00:07:57.180 --> 00:07:57.720 Oh, is he? 187 00:07:57.720 --> 00:07:59.160 He does actually receive an on-screen credit. 188 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:01.439 He does think it's a new wig in this. 189 00:08:01.500 --> 00:08:02.399 He does. 190 00:08:02.459 --> 00:08:03.420 He doesn't receive an... 191 00:08:03.420 --> 00:08:04.620 We'll come to that later. 192 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:09.480 He doesn't receive an onset screen credit for his other major role 193 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:10.439 which we will get too. 194 00:08:10.500 --> 00:08:15.540 Yeah, I would like to talk a bit more about the galsec team. 195 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:19.860 As Richard intimated earlier, they are all given South African 196 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:21.959 accents, which was quite topical at the time. 197 00:08:22.019 --> 00:08:26.519 Of course, the Springbok tours, the Springbok tours, for almost 30 198 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.500 years, apartheid had been active in South Africa, but at this 199 00:08:31.500 --> 00:08:34.019 point international pressure was very high, but also internal 200 00:08:34.019 --> 00:08:34.860 pressure was very high. 201 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.700 The student and trade unions were both protesting and picketing in 202 00:08:38.700 --> 00:08:41.399 South Africa for the abolition of apartheid. 203 00:08:41.460 --> 00:08:46.259 So I think it's very interesting that either the writers, Bob 204 00:08:46.259 --> 00:08:49.080 Baker and Dave Martin, impossibly their most focussed script to 205 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:53.399 date, because it's so short, so tight, or possibly the director 206 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:55.799 Rodney Bennett, who's very good. 207 00:08:55.919 --> 00:09:00.720 One of those 3 or any combination must have decided we're going to 208 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.639 make these colonists South African. 209 00:09:02.700 --> 00:09:04.919 How many theatres are actually South African? 210 00:09:04.980 --> 00:09:05.759 None of them. 211 00:09:05.820 --> 00:09:07.620 Well, except Glen Jones. 212 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.480 No, apparently they all put it on rehearsals and that's good 213 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:10.740 enough for the BBC. 214 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.019 Yeah, and Glyn Jones sort of coach them on the accent. 215 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:14.340 Yeah, yeah, I think they're fine. 216 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.320 Better than my terrible cod South Africa. 217 00:09:16.379 --> 00:09:17.279 Yeah, African. 218 00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:19.259 You can draw one of 2 conclusions from it. 219 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:24.600 You can say either that the criticism of the apartheid regime at 220 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:27.419 the time has had the effect of at this point in the future. 221 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:28.860 Obviously, we're very far in the future. 222 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:36.299 South Africa has obviously done well in order to form members of a 223 00:09:36.299 --> 00:09:38.580 space service entirely together, but at the same time, like up on 224 00:09:38.580 --> 00:09:40.139 the ark, everyone's white. 225 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.860 Well, my theory is that it's the South African version of Starship 226 00:09:43.860 --> 00:09:48.059 UK from Beast Below, because what's also happening at this time is 227 00:09:48.059 --> 00:09:53.159 of the solar flares is a lot of posh white people get into the 228 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:53.639 arc. 229 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:58.139 And then a whole bunch of other English people get into Starship 230 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:00.539 UK in order to evade... 231 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.000 And of course, they haven't had its own share. where they would. 232 00:10:03.059 --> 00:10:07.259 And South Africa, presumably, is where Galsek gets its people 233 00:10:07.259 --> 00:10:07.559 from. 234 00:10:08.100 --> 00:10:11.759 I think it's just you want them to be colonials. 235 00:10:11.820 --> 00:10:13.379 You want them to be from the Dominion. 236 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:17.519 So the people from Earth speak with English accents and the people 237 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:21.299 from Earth colonies speak with accents that come from former 238 00:10:21.299 --> 00:10:22.200 British colonies. 239 00:10:22.259 --> 00:10:23.220 Surely that's the reason. 240 00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:26.879 And they've also developed, and I mean, it's limited in the story 241 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:28.500 of course, because you can't have too much of it, but they have 242 00:10:28.500 --> 00:10:29.399 their own lexicon. 243 00:10:29.460 --> 00:10:31.259 They were playing a lot with it. 244 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:34.620 They tried it in Arc in Space and both homes was very interested 245 00:10:34.620 --> 00:10:37.679 in the progression, the consonantal shift. 246 00:10:37.740 --> 00:10:38.700 Isn't that a terrible expression? 247 00:10:38.700 --> 00:10:41.580 of language growth. 248 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:42.539 There's a few lines. 249 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.879 And if you watch the Arkin Space commentaries, you can see. 250 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.360 They have a very different vocabulary, don't they? 251 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:49.740 Yeah, they play around with all of that. 252 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:53.759 Yeah, whereas the language changes for the Galsek colonists, it's 253 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.700 very much based on portmanteaus, running words together. 254 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:58.559 So you understand, it becomes younger. 255 00:10:58.620 --> 00:10:59.639 Yeah, you understand. 256 00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:01.500 I thought that was just Roth. 257 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:02.820 Oh no, they all say it. 258 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:07.080 They also, like when they're interrogating the doctor, when Burl 259 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.240 is interrogating the doctor, he says, you understand? 260 00:11:09.299 --> 00:11:13.559 The other one that really sticks in my mind is, and this relates 261 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.860 to their, obviously, technological society being from space 262 00:11:16.860 --> 00:11:18.600 colonies and travelling back to Earth. 263 00:11:18.659 --> 00:11:22.919 Whenever they say yes, very often they don't say yes, they say 264 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:23.519 check. 265 00:11:23.580 --> 00:11:26.759 As you would do with a technical check. 266 00:11:26.820 --> 00:11:30.539 Yeah, so when they're trying to pick holes in the doctor's story 267 00:11:30.539 --> 00:11:32.519 saying, you said you came by transporter. 268 00:11:32.580 --> 00:11:33.419 Check, check. 269 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:34.799 Well, the transporter doesn't work. 270 00:11:34.860 --> 00:11:35.519 Check, check. 271 00:11:35.580 --> 00:11:36.360 So therefore you're wrong. 272 00:11:36.419 --> 00:11:37.080 Check, check. 273 00:11:37.139 --> 00:11:39.840 I can really see that that's Robert Holmes' influence because 274 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:44.580 Linguistics hasn't been much of a focus for the show before, but 275 00:11:44.580 --> 00:11:48.120 we will see it going through the next 3 years. 276 00:11:48.179 --> 00:11:51.720 Very much so when we get our next doctor's companion. 277 00:11:51.779 --> 00:11:52.799 Yes, indeed. 278 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:56.039 That's a spoiler alert, I believe, to use your expression. 279 00:11:56.580 --> 00:11:59.220 I really love how bleak this is. 280 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:04.500 It's from the windscript, windscript landscape too, how they 281 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:04.740 look. 282 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.379 They look so dirty, they just look like they've been weeks. 283 00:12:07.379 --> 00:12:08.460 They've all got beards. 284 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.860 They look like they've been at a dance party all weekend. 285 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:12.659 They're cast apart from you. 286 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:14.340 Yes, quite. 287 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.200 Yeah, no, I think that's right. 288 00:12:16.259 --> 00:12:20.879 And also that horrible little robot with its little... don't like 289 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:21.480 the robot? 290 00:12:21.539 --> 00:12:22.860 No, no, no, the robot. 291 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:24.840 No, that's not what I said. 292 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:25.500 Oh, okay. 293 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:26.580 Oh, horrible. 294 00:12:26.580 --> 00:12:27.539 As in, it's an answer. 295 00:12:27.659 --> 00:12:31.620 Actually, as a child, I'm even watching it again now. 296 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:33.720 I just am freaked out by it. 297 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:36.779 The fact that it is quite flimsy, but it can actually rope them 298 00:12:36.779 --> 00:12:37.019 all up. 299 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.320 And insectoid and non-anthropomorphic. 300 00:12:40.379 --> 00:12:42.120 Just in case you missed it. 301 00:12:42.179 --> 00:12:44.639 That's lovely. 70s decals on it. 302 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:45.720 It does have gorgeous. 303 00:12:45.779 --> 00:12:47.340 Big blank set, thorax again. 304 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:48.720 It a bit blank seven, isn't it, actually? 305 00:12:48.779 --> 00:12:50.220 Yeah, no, it's terrible. 306 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:51.899 Well, I really like it. 307 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:53.340 It is really good. 308 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:54.720 I love the supporting cast. 309 00:12:54.779 --> 00:12:59.220 And also, just before we go back to the supporting cast, The shape 310 00:12:59.220 --> 00:13:02.940 of that robot's head, that odd sort of double trapezoid shape 311 00:13:02.940 --> 00:13:07.259 there is a library in South London that looks exactly like it 312 00:13:07.259 --> 00:13:11.279 complete with the windows, complete with the windows to emulate 313 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.440 the eyes of the insectoid robot. 314 00:13:13.500 --> 00:13:16.139 I believe I have a photo somewhere on my computer. 315 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:17.639 I will try and find it for the show notes. 316 00:13:17.700 --> 00:13:19.080 Was this built after? 317 00:13:19.139 --> 00:13:20.039 Oh, yes, long after. 318 00:13:20.100 --> 00:13:21.960 I have put... 319 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.240 I just thought Bob Baker and Dave Martin might have actually got 320 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:24.840 inspiration. 321 00:13:24.899 --> 00:13:27.179 No, no, it's probably the other way around. 322 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:28.320 Architects do this. 323 00:13:28.379 --> 00:13:31.080 I can't, and I, you know, and luckily no client's listening to 324 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:31.259 this. 325 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:36.120 I have put homages to the roundels, the Tartar circular walls on 326 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:36.779 most jobs. 327 00:13:37.019 --> 00:13:39.539 I've got away with it a couple of times. 328 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.340 They're your fjords. 329 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:42.179 They are. 330 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:45.480 And I've got the bean to prove it. 331 00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:49.259 I was just freaked out by this as a kid. 332 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:53.639 I think and I think it's the torture of Sarah. really, really does 333 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:54.000 me in. 334 00:13:54.059 --> 00:13:56.279 What happens to torture for the listeners? 335 00:13:56.340 --> 00:14:00.299 So with Sarah, she gets scared by cliffs. 336 00:14:01.139 --> 00:14:03.419 Snakes, fake, snakes. 337 00:14:03.419 --> 00:14:05.100 Yeah, inflatable snake. 338 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:06.840 And creeping mud. 339 00:14:06.899 --> 00:14:08.340 Yeah, that's horrifying. 340 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:09.480 And then Tom... 341 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:10.200 It's porridge, though. 342 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:12.960 Tom rips her thing off and she goes unconscious. 343 00:14:13.019 --> 00:14:15.059 It's really, but it's really brutal. 344 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.720 Like he's someone's dying of first, you know, later on he's gonna 345 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:23.519 get them to not crush Voral's thorax. 346 00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:24.779 Do you know what I mean? 347 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:25.679 Like, it is awful. 348 00:14:25.740 --> 00:14:29.220 And the scene with Sarah is really, really frightening and she 349 00:14:29.220 --> 00:14:30.240 plays frightened so well. 350 00:14:30.299 --> 00:14:31.559 She does it so well. 351 00:14:31.620 --> 00:14:32.580 She actually hypens it. 352 00:14:32.940 --> 00:14:36.539 It's that old thing of if you're going to bring a monster back, you 353 00:14:36.539 --> 00:14:37.500 have to up the threat. 354 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.879 So before, we just have one son, Tyron, here, we only have once on 355 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:42.179 time. 356 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:45.840 We see his boss, the field major, field marshal. 357 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:50.039 He's identical other than the busty substances on his collar. 358 00:14:50.100 --> 00:14:51.000 Yeah, he does. 359 00:14:51.059 --> 00:14:53.039 He's got enormous chalk bit breastplates. 360 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.259 Well, I think he's like the... 361 00:14:55.259 --> 00:14:59.279 He's like the whatever it is, the Grand Admiral, whatever, from 362 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.519 Seeds of Death, who is the same sequence. 363 00:15:02.580 --> 00:15:04.679 Even it should be Cyril Shepp, shouldn't he? 364 00:15:04.740 --> 00:15:05.940 His other arch man, right? 365 00:15:05.940 --> 00:15:06.480 In space. 366 00:15:06.539 --> 00:15:09.840 You know, I do wonder if that's how sort of marshals in generals 367 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.240 are ranked in the Santara and armed forces. 368 00:15:12.299 --> 00:15:15.000 You know, on Earth, we have stars for generals. 369 00:15:15.059 --> 00:15:18.000 Maybe they have like a 2 breasted general. 370 00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:18.720 I don't know. 371 00:15:18.779 --> 00:15:22.620 I love the way in which Sarah, you know, thinks that he's 372 00:15:22.620 --> 00:15:23.879 absolutely identical. 373 00:15:23.940 --> 00:15:24.899 Oh, he is. 374 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.580 He's got the same number of fingers and everything. 375 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:27.779 Exactly. 376 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:29.220 Hang on, though. 377 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:31.080 This has been many, many 1000s of years. 378 00:15:31.139 --> 00:15:32.820 There's nothing to say that the... 379 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:33.840 No, but she thinks. 380 00:15:33.899 --> 00:15:35.039 She thinks it's less. 381 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:37.740 Look, maybe she's like Katie and doesn't wear glasses on. 382 00:15:37.860 --> 00:15:39.059 Yeah, there you go. 383 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:39.600 There you go. 384 00:15:39.659 --> 00:15:43.500 So it was that thing where Kevin Lindsay found the fibreglass mask 385 00:15:43.500 --> 00:15:46.440 to much. too hard to wear. 386 00:15:46.500 --> 00:15:47.039 Yeah, yeah. 387 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:47.940 And so it's replaced... 388 00:15:47.940 --> 00:15:50.039 There were lots of pauses during the shoot where they just they 389 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.080 had to bring him his lunch in a little paper bag when everyone 390 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:53.759 was... 391 00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:54.299 He couldn't. 392 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:56.759 With the combination of the mask, the suit, and his heart 393 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:57.120 trouble. 394 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:59.940 And I heard sadly a year later would claim his life. 395 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.700 They just had to put his sandwiches in a blender and feed it in 396 00:16:02.700 --> 00:16:04.259 through his probic vent, apparently. 397 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.220 The most expensive thing in this entire production. 398 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:10.500 The thing that costs more than anything else, including the 399 00:16:10.500 --> 00:16:11.220 location shoot. 400 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.340 I'm going to go the suit. 401 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:15.539 What? 402 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.100 The suit is made of Myla. 403 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:21.419 Milar is the stuff that was developed as a skin for satellites. 404 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.460 It's silver, plastic. 405 00:16:23.580 --> 00:16:25.379 It's terribly, terribly thin and fragile. 406 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.960 Why did they use it to make Kevin Lindsay suit? 407 00:16:28.019 --> 00:16:31.019 It meant that Terry Walsh had to be terribly delicate and careful 408 00:16:31.019 --> 00:16:35.340 with Stuart Phil, who was dressed up as Kevin Lindsay for the 409 00:16:35.340 --> 00:16:36.840 fight scenes because the stuff tears. 410 00:16:36.899 --> 00:16:39.600 It does look pretty impressive, but it costs a bomb. 411 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:40.080 Yeah. 412 00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:44.580 See, I actually think again, you know, I've said about the tone of 413 00:16:44.580 --> 00:16:48.240 season 12 before, and I'm going to go on and on and on about it. 414 00:16:48.299 --> 00:16:52.620 The last time we saw this on Tarans, it was all wacky capers and 415 00:16:52.620 --> 00:16:56.700 high japes, and they were dressing up as fryers, and, you know 416 00:16:56.700 --> 00:17:00.659 throwing stink bombs into castles and stuff, and it was all jolly 417 00:17:00.659 --> 00:17:02.340 and really fun. 418 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:06.299 But now we're just doing Nazi torture doctors. 419 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:07.319 Do you know what I mean? 420 00:17:07.380 --> 00:17:13.140 And I just kind of like I like this story, I guess, although I'll 421 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.000 deny it if you if you press me. 422 00:17:15.059 --> 00:17:18.059 The drink list. good thing those comments aren't being recorded. 423 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:19.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 424 00:17:19.259 --> 00:17:20.339 No, I never said anything. 425 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:24.539 But I do worry about the tone, and it is another thing where I 426 00:17:24.539 --> 00:17:26.759 sort of think, why the hell would Sarah ever get back in the 427 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:28.440 TARDIS again after this stuff happens. 428 00:17:28.500 --> 00:17:31.319 But don't we feel that this is just a reflection of the current 429 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.240 times in the red so-called real world? 430 00:17:33.299 --> 00:17:35.579 You know what Britain was going through right now? 431 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:38.220 A fuel crisis to the point that, you know, they had the 3 day 432 00:17:38.220 --> 00:17:38.519 week. 433 00:17:38.579 --> 00:17:42.000 People were having power cuts, which would have gone for several 434 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:43.740 hours during each day. 435 00:17:43.740 --> 00:17:47.759 And the government had sanctioned and it was much publicised. 436 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:51.420 They were testing students who were getting paid to do the results 437 00:17:51.420 --> 00:17:56.519 at the time, of going pretty much the same kinds of things, of 438 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:59.519 subjecting them to cold, subjecting them to living without 439 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.259 electricity, and all these other things. 440 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:05.519 It was there was talk in the press of old people dying because 441 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.279 freezing at home because of power cuts. 442 00:18:08.339 --> 00:18:11.400 So Britain was going through the same level of ardour. 443 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.579 Britain should say after the war. 444 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:15.359 Do you know what I mean? 445 00:18:15.420 --> 00:18:19.380 If Doctor Who's going to be sort of all about Nazi torturers, you 446 00:18:19.380 --> 00:18:23.279 know, whenever Britain's having a bad time politically, I mean, the 447 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:26.700 last 12 years of Doctor Who would have been pretty rough, I 448 00:18:26.700 --> 00:18:26.880 think. 449 00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:29.700 See, it's not about the torture, though. 450 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:32.880 This is where I have to disagree with you because Texas Chainsaw 451 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:33.960 Mascot is about the torture. 452 00:18:34.019 --> 00:18:37.079 And the reason you know that is that Leatherface is still alive at 453 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:37.380 the end. 454 00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:41.759 This is about the spirit of human endurance and the spirit of 455 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:42.420 human compassion. 456 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:46.019 Because at the end, when he's doing the double test of human 457 00:18:46.019 --> 00:18:48.359 strength versus the strength of the ribcage. 458 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:50.220 Yeah, compressibility of... 459 00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:55.680 You know, he Styre sums up the theme of the story, which is he is 460 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:56.880 a traitor to your kind. 461 00:18:56.940 --> 00:18:58.380 Why do you still fight to save him? 462 00:18:58.859 --> 00:19:02.759 And it's because he is still of their kind. 463 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:08.759 And he has been working, you know, to try to buy them type. 464 00:19:08.819 --> 00:19:09.839 Yes, he's a collaborator. 465 00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:12.720 I just thought they didn't want bits of lung all over their space 466 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:13.380 clothing. 467 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:14.220 Do you know what I mean? 468 00:19:14.339 --> 00:19:17.039 Like if they dropped the thing, it would be messy and kind of 469 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:18.119 unpleasant to look at. 470 00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:20.220 But well, this is the point. 471 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:24.059 They are so against torture that they will fight to save someone 472 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:27.059 they hate as well as fighting to save themselves. 473 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:31.740 Harry's 1st response when he finds that poor guy whose character 474 00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:36.779 doesn't even get a name dangling from the cliff face, dehydration 475 00:19:36.779 --> 00:19:38.940 is to hydrate him. 476 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:40.140 And of course, you know, he's a doctor. 477 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:41.099 He heals the sick. 478 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.240 But he doesn't attempt to find out what's going on and why he is 479 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:47.160 there. 1st response is to treat him. 480 00:19:47.220 --> 00:19:52.140 When Sarah 1st encounters Roth, who I agree with you, Richard, of 481 00:19:52.140 --> 00:19:55.619 the human, guess characters, is the strongest one and the one we 482 00:19:55.619 --> 00:19:56.160 like the most. 483 00:19:56.220 --> 00:19:57.420 And when he's killed. 484 00:19:57.480 --> 00:19:58.680 It's very affecting. 485 00:19:58.740 --> 00:20:02.160 But again, because of Sarah's reaction, but it's the 1st reaction 486 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:05.339 to him is she sees the burns on his arms. 487 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:07.259 And you know what? 488 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.839 Sarah, a year ago, probably would have run away from that 489 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:13.140 situation, the same way that she's nervous around Alpha Centuria 490 00:20:13.140 --> 00:20:14.099 nervous around Bilal. 491 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:18.539 Compare that to how she reacts to the K1 robot a few stories ago 492 00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:21.420 where she immediately treats him like a sentient being when no one 493 00:20:21.420 --> 00:20:21.720 else will. 494 00:20:21.779 --> 00:20:24.779 This story is a bit smoochy, if you want to be honest. 495 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:28.740 Yeah, this story, it does contain torture and it is, it is 496 00:20:28.740 --> 00:20:32.099 harrowing and it is disturbing to see these images, but it is 497 00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:33.480 about that spirit of resilience. 498 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:35.579 And perhaps there are better ways to explore that spirit of 499 00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:36.359 resilience. 500 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:40.440 But I think maybe that's why Sarah sticks around because even 501 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:44.279 though she's put through these horrible situations, she can help 502 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:44.579 others. 503 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:48.240 But you see, I think that you're overselling the spirit of 504 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.539 resilience thing, to be honest, because in 50 minutes of like this 505 00:20:51.539 --> 00:20:52.740 2 episode story. 506 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:59.579 We had like basically one piece of evidence that that's the theme 507 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:00.119 you know what I mean? 508 00:21:00.180 --> 00:21:01.680 Harry would do that anyway. 509 00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:03.420 Our heroes are all good guys. 510 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.599 So, you know, we expect them to behave morally. 511 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:09.839 So you've got this one thing where the guys don't want to drop the 512 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:12.420 big gravity bar on rural's chest. 513 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.660 I don't know that's enough to say that this is a great triumph of 514 00:21:15.660 --> 00:21:19.019 human, blah, blah, blah, over torturing guys. 515 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.680 Well, they don't kill the doctor the 1st 2nd they find him. 516 00:21:22.740 --> 00:21:25.319 They try and find out information from them to find their missing 517 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:25.859 crewmen. 518 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:27.779 They keep wanting to kill him, though, don't they? 519 00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:29.880 They keep they keep threatening to, but they don't. 520 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.480 And then when they do see their missing crewmate, they forget all 521 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:34.440 about the doctor. 522 00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:39.119 It becomes all about finding Roth and trying to save him and 523 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:40.259 finding out what is going on. 524 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:43.079 They're only so angry with the doctor because they think they've 525 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:44.400 killed their friends, Ake. 526 00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:45.420 Terry. 527 00:21:45.420 --> 00:21:46.200 Terry. 528 00:21:46.259 --> 00:21:46.500 Yeah. 529 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:46.920 Yeah. 530 00:21:46.980 --> 00:21:48.299 They think the doctors killed Terry. 531 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:50.460 No, I think they're quite a tight knit bunch. 532 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:54.180 And in a way, they're more human than the people up on Nerva. 533 00:21:54.299 --> 00:21:57.000 Because of that camaraderie. 534 00:21:58.140 --> 00:22:02.819 We're presented to very different facets of humanity in 2 stories 535 00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:03.900 and I believe it is deliberate. 536 00:22:04.019 --> 00:22:05.099 What do you think? 537 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:08.160 Well, I think I've just learned something, dear listener, that 538 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.680 I've even thought of before in my entire life. 539 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:14.400 I just want to be entertained for week to week and go along with 540 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:14.880 the ride. 541 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:17.339 Is this entertaining? 542 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:18.119 Do you think, Todd? 543 00:22:21.180 --> 00:22:26.759 It's disturbing and and as a kid, I really found this really hard 544 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:27.359 to sit through. 545 00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:30.059 Even now of all the stories in the season, I find it the hardest 546 00:22:30.059 --> 00:22:31.799 to sit through because of what's going on there. 547 00:22:31.859 --> 00:22:35.160 I also think it is a bit disposable. you know what I mean? 548 00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:38.640 Given that all of the guest characters are roughly 549 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:39.839 interchangeable. 550 00:22:39.900 --> 00:22:40.500 Do you know what I mean? 551 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:43.259 It's just a bunch of white guys with beards, wearing the same 552 00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:44.160 clothes as each other. 553 00:22:44.220 --> 00:22:47.099 I guess so, and also too, it comes out of the factory that there 554 00:22:47.099 --> 00:22:49.920 was a six-part story, which has now been split up into 4 parts and 555 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:53.400 2 parts. something that Bob Holmes is going to continually do with 556 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:54.900 6 part stories from here on here. 557 00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:55.619 Next story. 558 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:55.920 Yeah. 559 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:58.200 They do have a line in there. 560 00:22:58.259 --> 00:23:00.059 They say Nerva has never been found. 561 00:23:00.660 --> 00:23:02.099 Hello? 562 00:23:02.099 --> 00:23:03.359 And it's not that far. 563 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:04.500 It always jarred with me. 564 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:07.680 Like, it's a big frigging space thing. 565 00:23:08.220 --> 00:23:13.140 And you've got here onto this planet somehow, surely, unless it 566 00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:16.980 was on the dark side of the planet when you orbit it. 567 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:19.200 Yeah, it's very, it is a very strange line. 568 00:23:19.259 --> 00:23:21.059 It's not in orbit of Earth, is it? 569 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:21.420 It is. 570 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:22.440 As you see, it is. 571 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:24.359 Yeah, clearly, yeah. 572 00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:25.680 They must move it around. 573 00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:27.660 It'll be, you know, Jupiter soon. 574 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:29.640 That's crazy. 575 00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:30.720 Imagine moving it that far. 576 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:34.380 But I guess a big thing in this episode, well, this story is the 577 00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:36.839 fact that, you know, Tom broke his collarbone. 578 00:23:36.900 --> 00:23:42.000 So he's largely played by Terry Walsh in episode two. like more 579 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:42.599 than ever before. 580 00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:44.339 So, yeah, poor Tom. 581 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:48.599 He films one story at the same time as John is filming his last 582 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:48.960 story. 583 00:23:49.019 --> 00:23:52.440 So he gets a nice long holiday in between, turns up on location. 584 00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:53.759 I think 2 or 3 days on. 585 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:57.900 He tries to clamber over a rock because he's like, I'm 40 and I 586 00:23:57.900 --> 00:24:01.319 blame his man of action and I'm Doctor Who went, oh, I've just 587 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:02.759 done something bad. 588 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:04.559 Poor bugger. 589 00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:07.740 I actually think the wig and all that is okay. 590 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:09.599 It's the way Terry Walsh actually moves. 591 00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:11.759 He doesn't have the same body movements. 592 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:14.099 And so it just doesn't sell it in long shot. 593 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.220 I don't know how I never spotted it before because watching it 594 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:17.640 this time. 595 00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:19.500 And I'm kind of primed for Terry. 596 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.440 Like my Terry Antennae are pretty good by this stage. 597 00:24:23.339 --> 00:24:27.660 And just every 2nd shot is Terry Walsh. 598 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:28.259 It's amazing. 599 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:29.940 I mean, as a kid, I never saw that. 600 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:31.019 No, no, me neither, yeah. 601 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.839 I think it really helps, just like it did in Planet of the 602 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:34.200 Spiders. 603 00:24:34.259 --> 00:24:35.279 The wig is so good. 604 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:40.140 It's such a close match for Tom that it is really, really good. 605 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:44.940 And there is the obligatory moment where if Terry Walsh is playing 606 00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:45.660 a stunt double. 607 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.880 You've got to have this obligatory moment where you see his face 608 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:50.460 which is the last time he tackles Styer. 609 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.579 Do have a look towards the end of episode 2 and they overdub it 610 00:24:53.579 --> 00:24:56.339 with a line of dialogue from Tom to try and sell it. 611 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.599 And sort of Terry is holding his hands up in kind of in front of 612 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.240 his face because he's about to grab Styer from behind. 613 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:06.660 As his arms sort of come down, you see that it's Terry Walsh sort 614 00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:07.740 of grunting with exertion. 615 00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:09.180 Awesome. 616 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.039 So do keep an eye out for that. 617 00:25:11.099 --> 00:25:15.240 But I do think, though, in this whole situation, the person really 618 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.420 worthy of praise is Tom, who is sitting there with a broken 619 00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:22.200 collarbone and neck brace under his giant overcoat, and it's just 620 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.619 lucky that he happened to be wearing that for this story, and just 621 00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:26.700 getting on with his lines. 622 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.700 The only difference is he's so still, whereas he's been so active 623 00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:30.960 earlier on, but that's okay. 624 00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:33.119 The 4th doctor stares off into the middle distance for his 625 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:33.900 dialogue all the time. 626 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:38.700 I think, good on you, Tom, for just getting on with it, in what, in 627 00:25:38.700 --> 00:25:42.480 a modern production would set everything back by a few weeks, or 628 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.720 they just put trigger from only fools and horses in a wheelchair. 629 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:46.619 You know what happened? 630 00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:47.819 You know what happened to Todd though? 631 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:48.960 You know what? 632 00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:50.759 That's not for this podcast. 633 00:25:51.299 --> 00:25:53.400 You know what happened? 634 00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:54.420 have to cut that out as well. 635 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.700 You know what happened to Tom when he broke his collarbone? 636 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.579 It was Roger Murray Leach, who drove him. 637 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.480 It's the most isolated bit of England you can get to. 638 00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:09.599 It's 80 miles drive to town and Tom was slashed up, so to speak, in 639 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:10.140 the scarf. 640 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:13.380 They used the scarf as a tourniquet, and bound him up, and all the 641 00:26:13.380 --> 00:26:17.460 way back, Roger Murray Leach was saying, Tom was utterly 642 00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:19.200 whitefaced terrified that they would cut him. 643 00:26:19.259 --> 00:26:20.160 It hadn't gone out yet. 644 00:26:20.220 --> 00:26:21.720 Tom hadn't been saying, that's it. 645 00:26:21.779 --> 00:26:22.559 They just going to replace me. 646 00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:25.079 So he's really, this is the anti-Tom. 647 00:26:25.140 --> 00:26:28.799 He's really well behaved on set and chining at everybody. 648 00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:31.859 Once he's sure of himself, though, nothing can stop him short of a 649 00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:32.880 blow to the probic fan. 650 00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:35.579 You can see the lovely Thorax, though, it is. 651 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:37.980 You can see the ontological thread. 652 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:38.759 Have another drink. 653 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.700 That Tom is to become in this, though, can't you? 654 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.500 Just as in, you can in arc in space. 655 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:47.880 And yes, in robot, he's he's so powerful. 656 00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:49.319 He's so jolly. 657 00:26:49.380 --> 00:26:51.000 He's just such an enormous man. 658 00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:54.660 He's an enormous mind, enormous humour, huge personality, that 659 00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:55.200 ego. 660 00:26:55.259 --> 00:26:59.579 You can see the monster that is about to come in the Williams era 661 00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:01.259 but this is why I really like him in this. 662 00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.140 He's still got the lid on him and Hinchcliffe, he has so much 663 00:27:04.140 --> 00:27:05.759 respect for Hinchcliffe and gratitude. 664 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:10.680 Both ways, but also Hinchcliffe has a mighty powerful, quiet 665 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:15.539 presence and he's exactly the Tupperware lid needed to keep Tom 666 00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:16.079 down. 667 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:17.759 And Ian and Liz. 668 00:27:17.819 --> 00:27:19.319 He not going to misbehave with those two. 669 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.380 I just can't believe that I never spotted it as a kid. 670 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.319 The injury and how still he is in that 2nd episode. 671 00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:26.880 You can see it now that we're looking for it. 672 00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:31.259 I'm also wondering, like, you know, Ian Marta throws himself down 673 00:27:31.259 --> 00:27:35.099 that ravine or whatever it is with some force. 674 00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:36.720 I mean, I'm surprised he didn't injure himself. 675 00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:38.940 With that particular form. 676 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.680 Yeah, I mean, it does look like him, doesn't it? 677 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.240 It does, isn't it? 678 00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:43.140 I don't know. 679 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.500 And I've tried to look it up and all the usual sources, doesn't 680 00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:47.400 it? 681 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.519 I have to go back to the ark in space with those bottoms that 682 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:51.359 follow you around the room. 683 00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:54.180 That's how you know it's real art listener, the bottoms follow 684 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:55.079 when they're under the desk. 685 00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:57.839 Can I say Ian Levine or did I say Ian Martin? 686 00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:00.660 I can't remember. 687 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:01.740 Is it the same bosom? 688 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.079 that goes down the ravine? 689 00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:06.119 Oh, we are getting behind our films now. 690 00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:09.059 I love the fact that Harry has to go and save the day. 691 00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:11.579 He knows exactly how to use the Sonic screwdriver, have he never 692 00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:12.299 seen it before? 693 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:12.779 No, no, no. 694 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:14.759 It's quite wonderful because the doctor gives him some 695 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:15.299 instruction. 696 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.480 And when he's holding out the Sonic Screwdriver, he holds it out 697 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.480 as far as he can and then turns his face away, winces. 698 00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:25.440 You know, it's like very nervously opening a bottle of very fizzy 699 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:26.039 champagne. 700 00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:28.079 Oh, God, Anne Marta's wonderful. 701 00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:32.279 I love the moment when Styre just flames. 702 00:28:32.339 --> 00:28:34.980 I remember that as a kid. great, isn't it? 703 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:39.240 And then, of course, we've still got the massive invasion fleet 704 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.539 that we've just talked about and we've very cheaply realised by 705 00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:46.559 just having Kevin Lindsay on a sort of 60s space television in the 706 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:47.339 rocks. 707 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.039 And then a wibbly, wobbly, timey, wimey way, they suddenly become 708 00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.740 Vogons from the hitchhiker's got to the galaxy because they can't 709 00:28:52.740 --> 00:28:56.400 invade the planet without... 710 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:01.440 It's a very, it's, it's a good ending, but it's a very strange 711 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:01.859 ending. 712 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:03.119 No, it's not a good ending. 713 00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:07.619 And he goes, next time, I will destroy you and that's it. 714 00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.500 And he even sort of switches the thing off and that's that whole 715 00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:11.279 invasion gone. 716 00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:12.900 It's your Waterloo marshal. 717 00:29:13.019 --> 00:29:17.880 Oh, when you get a comic ending with the transmants popping in and 718 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.920 out, just like we had at the beginning of the story. 719 00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.059 Such humour. 720 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:25.019 Thanks, Bob, Baker and Dave Martin. 721 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.960 Except you don't end up with Slade an A over T, do you? 722 00:29:28.019 --> 00:29:33.420 When this was 1st released, it came out as a double pack with 723 00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:34.980 Genesis of the Talent. 724 00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:36.180 Yeah, on VHS. 725 00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:39.539 Did it also come out that way on DVD? 726 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.039 No, DD, it came out individually. 727 00:29:41.099 --> 00:29:43.319 It was the 1st 2 part story to be released on DVD. 728 00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:45.900 And it was cheaper price with that, wasn't it? 729 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.319 Yeah, it was, it was this interesting thing of, they 1st announced 730 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.359 that it was going to be a cheaper price with fewer special 731 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.779 features, but then when they released it, they also paired it up 732 00:29:54.779 --> 00:29:57.660 with the other existing Santaran stories and put them in a box set 733 00:29:57.660 --> 00:29:59.519 which meant there was a budget for a documentary. 734 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:05.039 And the whole thinking it to entertain at the time was that, oh, if 735 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.400 we have a budget range of titles, we can put more money into the 736 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:13.920 special features on the full price range of titles. 737 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.579 And they discovered that the price they charged the DD had no 738 00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:21.599 bearing on the pre-sales, they were expecting more pre-sales for 739 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.420 the cheaper ones and less pre-sales otherwise. 740 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.519 So they just put everything back up to the same price. 741 00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:29.220 Thanks, babe. 742 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.859 Is it okay to say that this podcast is actually as long as 743 00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:34.140 watching the sundown experiment. 744 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.759 You might as well just turn the sound down. 745 00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:37.019 We couldn't keep you. right. 746 00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:56.160 Well, if we go on any longer, dear listener, I'm afraid that one 747 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.799 of us will break a collarbone, so that's all the time we have for 748 00:30:58.799 --> 00:30:59.279 this episode. 749 00:30:59.339 --> 00:31:04.440 We will be back next week. talking about one of the amazing 750 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.319 classics of Doctor Who, or is it? 751 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.359 Genesis of the Daleks. 752 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:10.319 It's terrible. 753 00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:15.480 You can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com, flight 754 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.480 through entirety on Facebook and iTunes, which has a revolutionary 755 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.200 review system. 756 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.380 And FTE podcast on Twitter. 757 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.140 Until then, thank you very much for listening and good night. 758 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:25.799 Good night. 759 00:31:25.859 --> 00:31:26.339 See you soon. 760 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.720 Happy Terry Walshing. 761 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.279 That was Flight Through Entirety. 762 00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:35.039 It's Todd Building, Nathan Buttonley, Bradman Jones, and Richard 763 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:35.640 Stone. 764 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:40.859 This episode, Chalk Bit Breastplates, was recorded on Sunday, June 765 00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:41.400 14th. 766 00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:43.859 The next episode will be released on 12th of July. 767 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:47.819 If that was just on Taran's Waterloo, I can't wait to hear their 768 00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:48.720 Mamma Mia. 769 00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:58.799 Okay, I'm just gonna check something because I do... where we 770 00:31:58.799 --> 00:31:59.400 stand. 771 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.940 And George Powell was there. 772 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.940 In silver underwear. 773 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:10.980 Claude Reigns was the invisible man. 774 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:12.599 I haven't seen that since I was 18. 775 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:13.380 Really? 776 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.460 It's incoherent. 777 00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:16.140 No, my friend Alexandra. 778 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.259 Her Aunt Rose was the original Janet in the Australian 779 00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:19.799 production. 780 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.019 Just some great stories. 781 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.519 I don't know if she's still alive actually. 782 00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:25.200 Rose was too fabulous. 783 00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:26.160 Hello, darling. 784 00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:32.880 And clinch. 785 00:32:40.259 --> 00:32:42.240 Oh, no. 786 00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:44.039 No. 787 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:45.059 Welcome. 788 00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:46.259 Quite through it. 789 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:47.339 That's the cutaway line. 790 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:48.660 That's great. 791 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:49.259 You should do that. 792 00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:50.339 Please do that. 793 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.740 Hello and welcome to Flightthrough Entirety. 794 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:54.480 G'day, Coba. 795 00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:56.039 We're all doing regional today. 796 00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:57.359 Hey, we're all doing Kalani.