WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:12:46 1 00:00:28.620 --> 00:00:35.100 Hello and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the weekly Doctor Who podcast that agrees with Garman. 2 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:37.439 Shoes are insane, Davros. 3 00:00:37.500 --> 00:00:38.460 I'm Brendan. 4 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:39.479 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:39.539 --> 00:00:40.560 I'm Todd. 6 00:00:40.619 --> 00:00:41.340 I'm Richard. 7 00:00:42.420 --> 00:00:44.039 All right. 8 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:45.119 That's who you are. 9 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:54.600 Our transmat beam has been intercepted, and we are being sent like a scrambled Morse message onto the quarry-like world of Scarrow for Genesis of the Daleks. 10 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.820 Exactly the same thing happens in Rocky Horror picture show. 11 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:04.620 Prepare the transmat beam. 12 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:06.840 I don't know that Davros and Nida. 13 00:01:06.900 --> 00:01:08.340 Have we watched The Simpsons yet? 14 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:09.480 It feels like it's been on. 15 00:01:09.540 --> 00:01:13.799 Wasn't actually Davros and Ida just based on Monty Burns and Smithers. 16 00:01:13.859 --> 00:01:15.540 I'm sure The Simpsons has been playing that long. 17 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:22.379 Well, Slithers and Mr. Burns, and possibly Davros and Nyder, were based on comedia de latte characters. 18 00:01:22.500 --> 00:01:24.239 The leather masks. 19 00:01:24.299 --> 00:01:26.219 And specifically there is a character. 20 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:36.359 I believe he's called Alacino, who was the old miser, hook nosed, bald headed, spoke with a thought and rat. 21 00:01:36.420 --> 00:01:38.099 Nothing anti-Semitic in this at all. 22 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:56.219 And certainly, well, Semitism or anti-Semitism is a strong theme of this story because we're going right back to something you said originally, Richard, way back when, about a year ago when we were doing the Daleks, where you said, this is not a story about Nazism. 23 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:57.359 This is a story about communism. 24 00:01:57.420 --> 00:01:58.319 It was definitely then. 25 00:01:58.379 --> 00:02:00.239 Yeah, not necessarily now. 26 00:02:00.299 --> 00:02:08.759 I remember you said at the time, you know, it's not until a guy, I believe you said someone comes in in their woo-woo funny wheelchair that it becomes about Nazism. 27 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:14.939 Okay, it says that Terry Nation wrote this on screen, but deterioration actually write this? 28 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:15.960 It's too good. 29 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:18.960 I was thinking about preparing my list. 30 00:02:19.020 --> 00:02:21.000 You know, the last... 31 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:22.500 Nathan's list, have a drink list. 32 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.900 No, the last 2 times we had a Terry Nations three. 33 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:26.879 I just did a list of things that appear in the story. 34 00:02:27.180 --> 00:02:28.020 It can't be Terry Nation. 35 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:29.159 There's no one called Tarrant. 36 00:02:29.219 --> 00:02:37.080 There's an uncle Tarrant, but in fact, there's actually very few of the things that Terry is kind of known for. 37 00:02:37.139 --> 00:02:42.539 Yeah, I mean, we've got Severin, who is just kind of a retread of Belle Al or Wester. 38 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:45.479 Except you know where the name Severn comes from, don't you? 39 00:02:45.539 --> 00:02:51.780 Severn is Dr. Sasha Masix's hero in Venus in Furs. 40 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:57.599 The term masochism comes from this novel by Sasha Masick. 41 00:02:57.659 --> 00:03:00.120 He was the victim of the batan character. 42 00:03:00.300 --> 00:03:07.740 And his Venus Infurs had the short blonde hair and was it, you can look up masochism, if you care to. 43 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:08.819 So everyone is a character. 44 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:11.879 And if you, and if you're home, don't look out for you. 45 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:18.900 I mean, or you can just listen to the velvet underground on Lou Reed song, Venus and First, which will give you the entire synopsis of the novel. 46 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:24.000 No, sir, it's quite a deliberate ploy that there are some very dark undercurrents in this story. 47 00:03:24.060 --> 00:03:26.099 Severn, Severn is the massacres in that story. 48 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:26.759 Okay. 49 00:03:26.819 --> 00:03:28.139 Well let me just get back to my list. 50 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:29.580 Is that all right? 51 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:30.539 Is there a space plate? 52 00:03:30.539 --> 00:03:32.219 I really want a space plate. 53 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.219 So there's no space plague. 54 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:39.960 We do have Western and Bell El's... 55 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:40.560 Cousin. 56 00:03:41.939 --> 00:03:43.919 Bell end cousin. 57 00:03:43.979 --> 00:03:46.919 And people are toting a lot of bombs around the place too. 58 00:03:46.979 --> 00:03:49.080 That's always a bit of a thing. 59 00:03:49.139 --> 00:03:53.759 But, you know, otherwise it's actually not full of the normal terry nation things. 60 00:03:53.819 --> 00:04:04.860 And so I think what's happening here is what will later happen in Blake 7. where Terry can write a good action adventure romp, but is really ropey with dialogue in Blake 7. 61 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:10.020 You've got him writing the stories in the 1st bit and Chris Boucher fixing the dialogue. 62 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:14.759 Here, you've got someone, I think, perhaps even more skilled than Chris Boucher in Bob Holmes. 63 00:04:14.819 --> 00:04:17.339 And certainly the 1st scene is classic homes. 64 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:25.139 I mean, in fact, there is an initial scene where we get some World War one arconography with the gas masks and people shooting each other and... 65 00:04:25.139 --> 00:04:27.000 The 1st time there were proper letters. 66 00:04:27.060 --> 00:04:29.819 And the 1st time Mary Whitehouse noticed Doctor Who. 67 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:32.699 Because it's all done in slow motion. no blood or anything. 68 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.399 And as I was watching this, I was going, I can't remember this. 69 00:04:35.459 --> 00:04:37.079 Like, had I just blacked it out? 70 00:04:37.139 --> 00:04:38.639 Maybe we were just so young. 71 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:39.420 Did they cut it? 72 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:40.379 Anyway. 73 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.399 But the 1st proper scene is the scene between the doctor and the timelord. 74 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:52.139 And so a timelord comes, just like in terror of the autons, to explain the background of the plot, to the doctor and to send him on his mission. 75 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:56.819 And the scene is very similar, except that Tom's demeanour is sort of different. 76 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.379 Like her twee is sort of sardonic and camp and hilarious. 77 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:02.220 Do you know what I mean? 78 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.819 And you'd better think of a witty way of dealing with it then. 79 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.899 And the time mode is, of course, you know, absurd. 80 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:10.379 Yeah, yeah. 81 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:12.899 So this guy's dressed like a kind of... 82 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:14.699 Well, you know what he is actually dressed. 83 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:15.420 What is he? 84 00:05:15.420 --> 00:05:16.439 Well, you know what he's dressed at. 85 00:05:16.980 --> 00:05:17.879 Thank you. 86 00:05:17.939 --> 00:05:18.720 The 7th seal. 87 00:05:18.779 --> 00:05:27.300 If any of our listeners, the lovely listeners live in Sydney, the Sydney Film Festival, I think 51st is just played and one of my all-time favourite film directors, Ingmar Bergman. 88 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:28.319 I think we've cited him before. 89 00:05:28.379 --> 00:05:31.199 They've just had a retrospective of some of his great films. 90 00:05:31.259 --> 00:05:32.279 He really is superb. 91 00:05:32.339 --> 00:05:40.740 If you want to know, in Marburgman, just look up French and Saunders doing all of his greatest films because it is actually, they get it right. 92 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:46.319 But no, this is almost shot for shot, the opening scene of 7th seal, and we can bookend that beautifully. 93 00:05:46.379 --> 00:05:50.519 The dance at the end of 7th seal is the same thing that happens with the time ring at this. 94 00:05:50.579 --> 00:05:51.720 It's very deliberate. 95 00:05:51.779 --> 00:05:53.339 Very deliberate. 96 00:05:53.399 --> 00:06:01.560 And it's the same collar and it's the almost the same exposition, but it's certainly newest in the same tropes of acting that you see with between Tom. 97 00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:03.360 I think it's one of Tom's greatest scenes. 98 00:06:03.420 --> 00:06:04.860 It's just a tiny little moment. 99 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:05.459 Daleks. 100 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:06.480 Tell me more. 101 00:06:06.540 --> 00:06:09.899 It's wonderful. beautiful, isn't it? 102 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:11.819 But yeah, yeah, he's definitely death and the night. 103 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:19.680 And I believe that comes from David Maloney, because as I understand it, in the script, in the script, the... 104 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:21.300 He was floating in the air wearing a bowl hat. 105 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:27.540 The timelord actually brings the doctor to a garden, a beautiful garden. 106 00:06:27.660 --> 00:06:28.259 Right. 107 00:06:28.259 --> 00:06:31.740 And there's Billy in the background with his roses. 108 00:06:31.740 --> 00:06:34.980 They are a dandy a clown and what the hell are you? 109 00:06:35.339 --> 00:06:38.939 What are you young people doing inside my garden? 110 00:06:39.060 --> 00:06:43.620 And then drops him in the middle of the quarry and that was meant to be the big shock. 111 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:47.519 So yeah, it's David Maloney who's bringing in the Ingmar Bergman. 112 00:06:47.939 --> 00:06:50.819 And a considerable saving for the beep. 113 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:51.779 Another shoot. 114 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.240 And I also would like to recommend for the listener. 115 00:06:54.300 --> 00:06:56.819 And I'm damn sure we can find a link for it. 116 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:02.759 The McCalliff program, Sean McCalliff's ABC Variety slash sketch series. 117 00:07:02.819 --> 00:07:06.000 That's ABC Australian broadcasting is not ABC American. 118 00:07:06.060 --> 00:07:08.579 Yes, or indeed Associated British Corporation. 119 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.459 Which became Thames TV in 1970. 120 00:07:11.579 --> 00:07:12.660 No one remembers. 121 00:07:13.019 --> 00:07:19.199 But he and Wayne Hope do an excellent take on incumbent. 122 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:20.279 That's the 7th seal. 123 00:07:20.339 --> 00:07:23.279 And I'm not going to say anything well because otherwise I'll reveal the punchline. 124 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:23.819 Fuck. 125 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:24.959 Anyway, moving on. 126 00:07:25.019 --> 00:07:27.899 Yeah, it's such a strong opening. 127 00:07:27.899 --> 00:07:35.819 It's because we have, we have that harrowing scene with all those people being mowed down and then going on through the mist, like the battle goes, and that just tells you the battle goes on. 128 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:38.759 It's a very economic or very effective way of storytelling. 129 00:07:38.819 --> 00:07:43.920 And then we have that scene and then we have Sarah and Harry arriving. 130 00:07:43.980 --> 00:07:44.639 So hooray. 131 00:07:44.699 --> 00:07:49.259 Yeah, but then there's like that whole barrage and poor Sarah is screening through it all. covering her ears. 132 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:50.879 It's awful, isn't it? 133 00:07:50.939 --> 00:07:58.800 You know, and even when they go from that great location work to in the studio, I mean, then, you know, they're all casting down there. 134 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.139 What you think about the mind? 135 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:02.459 They're lying under deadline. 136 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:03.360 What do you think about the mine? 137 00:08:03.420 --> 00:08:07.800 Because apparently that's one of the things that the Bill Slater said were really queried. 138 00:08:07.860 --> 00:08:10.019 You know, it's Tom standing on a landmine. they thought was too much. 139 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:11.160 I just think it's brilliant. 140 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:14.879 And as a child, that's not a threat because as children. 141 00:08:14.939 --> 00:08:27.959 You know that at the very same time, Paul Pot was training 12 year old boys and the Khmer Rouge to use landlines because a 12 year old child doesn't know threat, should we say, ontological threat, have a drink? 142 00:08:28.019 --> 00:08:33.000 But that doesn't doesn't recognise those sorts of threats because they're not immediate. 143 00:08:33.059 --> 00:08:39.240 So for a child watching this drama, that kind of stuff and the explosions and the noise, children are a burst of noise. 144 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.759 I didn't find that so horrifying. 145 00:08:41.820 --> 00:08:46.019 I think that as a parent I might have, but no, I actually don't think it's that good. 146 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:49.740 I actually don't think it's that good a scene because there is I'm so glad you're here. 147 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:51.600 There isn't all... 148 00:08:51.659 --> 00:08:53.399 It's a very terry nation scene. 149 00:08:53.460 --> 00:08:54.360 Do you know what I mean? 150 00:08:54.419 --> 00:09:01.559 It is, it's like we'll, like we get lots and lots of Harry puts rocks under a landmine for a while. 151 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:06.059 We more or less fairly certain that Tom's not going to be blown up. 152 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:07.500 Do you know what I mean? 153 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:09.419 We don't really learn anything about anyone. 154 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.080 So I'm not sure that that's so great. 155 00:09:13.139 --> 00:09:15.000 But that scene does also have. 156 00:09:15.059 --> 00:09:34.200 And Todd, I know you've mentioned sort of Sarah having to scream and be scared of the explosions, but it does also have Sarah figuring out that this is a war of attrition. because she is the one who notices that, you know, this soldier is in a sort of natural, rough hewn fibre, but this is a modern synthetic fibre. 157 00:09:34.379 --> 00:09:35.279 I hate that scene again. 158 00:09:35.340 --> 00:09:42.179 Because, and then someone says, and this weapon dates from a long time before this weapon. 159 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:43.320 Can we just have a moment? 160 00:09:43.379 --> 00:09:47.879 Do you know where the laser rifle actually originates with the yellow person? 161 00:09:47.940 --> 00:09:49.200 Is it a drama? 162 00:09:49.259 --> 00:09:49.799 Well done. 163 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:54.240 It is, in fact, they are driving guns that are being storage. 164 00:09:55.139 --> 00:10:02.700 And the funny thing is, a very strikingly similar design is used as the phaser rifles on Star Trek next generation. 165 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:04.620 We'll get it. 166 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:06.779 Do you think the giraffe will segue everywhere? 167 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:08.879 Well, look at Deanna Troy's hair. 168 00:10:09.419 --> 00:10:10.799 What? 169 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:13.559 Anything, anywhere. 170 00:10:13.620 --> 00:10:15.240 Actually, especially season one. 171 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:16.500 She's got the bun head. 172 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:17.940 She got the decorations in it. 173 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.580 She just doesn't have the stick on Daimonte eyebrows. 174 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.440 No, she would never cut it as a drive-in. 175 00:10:22.500 --> 00:10:24.419 Bring back the drive-ins, I say. 176 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:25.559 Come on, Steve. 177 00:10:25.620 --> 00:10:29.879 So I don't think that seems very good because you've got 3 characters saying the same thing 3 times. 178 00:10:29.940 --> 00:10:32.460 It's like 3 bits of evidence that this is a war of attrition. 179 00:10:32.580 --> 00:10:34.919 And so it's just slightly inept, I think. 180 00:10:34.980 --> 00:10:42.000 But it's nice to have all 3 of them together because they're going to be separated very soon and Sarah's offer on her own little adventure for a few episodes. 181 00:10:42.059 --> 00:10:46.200 And the doctor and Ian have to confront Lieutenant Gruber. 182 00:10:46.259 --> 00:10:47.460 Yeah. 183 00:10:47.460 --> 00:10:49.259 Yes, from a level, our third. 184 00:10:49.259 --> 00:10:51.240 Appearance from somebody from a level. 185 00:10:51.299 --> 00:10:51.960 Yes, indeed. 186 00:10:52.019 --> 00:10:57.179 And of course, Nyder is on the case very early, giving a lot of exposition in that scene. 187 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:58.200 Well, don't you remember? 188 00:10:58.200 --> 00:10:59.639 Is does when does Snyder appear? 189 00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:02.039 Does Snyder appear after they escape and get recaptured? 190 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:06.179 No, they just before and he goes, Raven, get down and then they shoot. 191 00:11:06.299 --> 00:11:06.840 Yes, yes. 192 00:11:06.899 --> 00:11:09.419 It's after they've it's after they've taken control of Raven. 193 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:16.620 And I have to say, you know, I think I said when we were talking about invasion of dinosaurs. 194 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.980 This is Peter Miles' best performance in Doctor Who. 195 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:23.639 Because the 2 professors he's played before were essentially the same character. 196 00:11:23.700 --> 00:11:30.600 I actually think diabetic is a little bit more low key because remember, Dr. Lawrence is transigent base commander. 197 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:32.340 So he's a panicky idiot. 198 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:36.000 But they both have this style of delivery. 199 00:11:36.059 --> 00:11:38.279 No, it does as well. and I just still super cat. 200 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:39.419 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 201 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:40.679 Oh, stop it. 202 00:11:40.740 --> 00:11:44.580 Midnight general, the order specifies midnight. 203 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:46.500 You're really going out on a limb there. 204 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:49.620 The difference the difference is the control in the voice. 205 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:54.600 Because there's always that degree of panic with professors Whittaker and Lawrence. 206 00:11:54.659 --> 00:11:57.539 There is never a degree of panic tonight. 207 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:58.440 I know, he's terrific. 208 00:11:58.500 --> 00:12:02.100 They bring back Peter Miles for the I-Davros audio series. 209 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:04.860 And in that, you know, he's 20 years younger. 210 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:07.019 He's the leader of a crack commando squad. 211 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.600 And listening to him here and looking at him here. 212 00:12:09.659 --> 00:12:10.259 You can believe that. 213 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:14.100 You can believe that he used to use elite his own raids. 214 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:30.000 You can believe that he is a, it's, it is an incredible acting challenge to play this character who is very camp and very nasal and very sardonic, but you can believe that he would, he has 20 ways to kill you in 2 seconds. 215 00:12:30.059 --> 00:12:32.879 Just with a look with a withering remark. 216 00:12:32.940 --> 00:12:34.019 Just with a paper card. 217 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.179 So he's wearing the iron cross. 218 00:12:36.299 --> 00:12:38.940 Yes, and you disappears halfway through... 219 00:12:39.059 --> 00:12:39.360 You know why? 220 00:12:39.419 --> 00:12:40.740 They kept telling him to take it off. 221 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:43.259 It's his own That's kind of bizarre. 222 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.379 Heater Miles had a collection of Nazi memorabilia. 223 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.600 Ask him about it, the next con you go to. 224 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:50.279 Have you ever interviewed Peter Meyer? 225 00:12:50.580 --> 00:12:51.179 did not know that. 226 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:52.799 Well, why not? 227 00:12:52.860 --> 00:12:55.139 I don't think he's got a collection of that, does he? 228 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:56.639 He does. in the notes. 229 00:12:56.700 --> 00:12:57.360 It's in the notes. 230 00:12:57.419 --> 00:12:57.960 No, he does. 231 00:12:58.019 --> 00:13:00.720 And Hinchcliffe was saying, look, you know, kind of a bit far pinched. 232 00:13:00.779 --> 00:13:02.820 Oh, come on, it's glorious. 233 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.759 Anyway, I'm just getting a fail for me part. 234 00:13:05.820 --> 00:13:08.519 Before he's off to the aerodrome. 235 00:13:08.580 --> 00:13:09.899 He does. 236 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:11.879 He does, he does, you couldn't possibly know. 237 00:13:11.940 --> 00:13:14.399 That doesn't make any sense because Davros can't reach that high. 238 00:13:14.460 --> 00:13:16.980 There are so many great lines in this. 239 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:30.779 It's very difficult to talk about this as a story because we just keep getting sunk into the details because this is one of those gestolt to have another drink where all the some of the parts go up to make the hole in the, I can't tell which bit is more glorious, the hole or the bits. 240 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:36.600 It does the thing that has actually been happening this season, which is that each episode introduces something new. 241 00:13:36.659 --> 00:13:38.159 So what's the new thing here? 242 00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:40.019 So episode episode one. 243 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:40.860 Do you know what I mean? 244 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.399 We get very little apart from establishing that we've had this war of attrition. 245 00:13:44.460 --> 00:13:52.440 There's some time wasting stuff where the doctor and Harry kind of escape and then immediately get recaptured, but basically not very much happens beyond establishing the premise. 246 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:54.779 It's a many 1000 year war. 247 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.559 At a distance of its dome cities that you can walk to. 248 00:13:58.679 --> 00:13:59.399 Yeah. 249 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:05.940 Then you get Sarah's, she gets caught by the files and enslaved into the brain. 250 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:07.080 Yeah, she almost passes for human. 251 00:14:07.139 --> 00:14:08.159 She does. 252 00:14:08.220 --> 00:14:10.200 She's almost a normal. almost a normal. 253 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:12.600 How good is that rock, those scenes with a rocket. 254 00:14:12.659 --> 00:14:13.139 How good is it? 255 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:14.039 It's Hilary Minter. 256 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:17.399 Is it as the thou guard, who later turns up as inner low, low. 257 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:20.220 Yes, yes. as General von Klinkerhoff. 258 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:28.200 On the same side as Lieutenant Gruber now. who as Guy Sina, who plays the very 1st Kali General, the Boy Generals. 259 00:14:28.259 --> 00:14:32.759 That's a that's a Joe Orton play that never made it to the stage, did it? 260 00:14:32.820 --> 00:14:34.019 Good boy. 261 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:38.879 And how good is Guy Seiner, when it keeps going on about the glory of the Khalib, right? 262 00:14:38.940 --> 00:14:40.620 I've got a big thing about concrete, actually. 263 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:41.940 He does kind of dialogue. 264 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:54.539 And what I find so good about his performance is that halfway through the story, he does change his allegiance bit, but that seated early on when he's trying to do the best he can and people keep taking away his equipment. 265 00:14:54.779 --> 00:15:00.120 Everyone in this story has their own motivation and their own purpose. quite different in each coast. 266 00:15:00.179 --> 00:15:02.159 And it's and it's always believable. 267 00:15:02.220 --> 00:15:03.480 Even when it changes. 268 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:04.679 Especially with Nider. 269 00:15:04.740 --> 00:15:08.879 There's a lot of frustrated filial, well, daddy love between himself. 270 00:15:08.940 --> 00:15:10.320 Shall we get a little bit psych? 271 00:15:10.379 --> 00:15:11.879 Now you know how much. 272 00:15:11.940 --> 00:15:16.320 You know how much interest Hinchcliffe had in amateur psychology? 273 00:15:16.379 --> 00:15:18.840 I've mentioned La Khan before. 274 00:15:18.899 --> 00:15:24.779 The greatest Lacan reference in this, and it's, I'm not pulling this out of my lexicon. 275 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:35.279 This is actually Hinchcliffe, I'm quoting, is the delayed shock between the physical death and the actual death itself of the body. 276 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.100 And Davros is the sinequanon of this. 277 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:41.519 Davros's real death happened before we even got to the screen. 278 00:15:41.580 --> 00:15:43.559 It's a cadaver in a bath chair. 279 00:15:43.620 --> 00:15:49.799 And we have the mordant horror of watching an animated corpse. with a frisky right hand. 280 00:15:49.860 --> 00:15:52.200 Why the hell, hang on, just a moment. 281 00:15:52.259 --> 00:15:58.019 Why the hell did he have an off switch on his bath chair for his life support? 282 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:03.179 That's some horrible kink role-play between him and night. present night, you present? 283 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:04.440 Oh, I'm dying. 284 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:05.519 Stop, stop. 285 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:09.179 You know those 2 got up to Friskies, don't you? 286 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:10.379 But it's like the big... 287 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.799 No, no, it's a thing he had a total big total. thing. 288 00:16:13.860 --> 00:16:18.240 It was labelled total destruction in case you missed it at home. 289 00:16:18.299 --> 00:16:20.100 Yeah, no, it's very nation script. 290 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:21.840 We need a total destruction. 291 00:16:21.899 --> 00:16:23.220 But we are getting ahead. 292 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:25.200 That's we are getting towards episode. 293 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:26.039 What would that be? 294 00:16:26.100 --> 00:16:26.580 Five. 295 00:16:26.700 --> 00:16:30.120 I just love I just love the end of episode one. 296 00:16:30.179 --> 00:16:38.100 Sarah sees Davos for the very 1st time. and, you know, I just think the mask and the performance are wonderful. and then, and then... 297 00:16:38.100 --> 00:16:39.120 No, that's Liz's real face. 298 00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:43.379 That's terrible. 299 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:48.120 But she does present the mask of horror and fear, and her face does. 300 00:16:48.179 --> 00:16:52.379 Actually, the horror of that scene is not so much Michael Wisher in the rubber. 301 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:54.360 It's, it's Liz's reaction. 302 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:55.919 And she, and she's out. 303 00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:57.179 Yeah, she's our place now. 304 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:58.080 Now we can begin. 305 00:16:58.139 --> 00:17:07.079 So it is, it is our episode one, end of episode one, Dalek Reveal, but it is so much better than so much better. because the Daleks are hardly in it. 306 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:09.420 They don't get to be the Daleks. 307 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.359 We they get called the Daleks, you know, somewhere in episode two, I think. 308 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.819 But they're not really the Daleks until the end. 309 00:17:14.940 --> 00:17:18.240 They're a number 91 omnibus to Clapham, aren't they? 310 00:17:18.299 --> 00:17:20.160 Mark 3 travel machine. 311 00:17:20.220 --> 00:17:20.579 Not three. 312 00:17:20.579 --> 00:17:21.059 Protein. 313 00:17:21.779 --> 00:17:30.240 I mean, the reason the Cliffhanger works is the previous 3 Dalek stories, the Cliffhanger has been about the doctor discovering that there's Daleks. 314 00:17:30.299 --> 00:17:34.319 Right from the 1st scene, the doctor knows that he's going to encounter the Daleks. 315 00:17:34.380 --> 00:17:40.500 What this cliffhanger is is Sarah encountering the Daleks. 316 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.839 And it's more effective because Sarah's us. 317 00:17:42.900 --> 00:17:44.519 And she's seen them before. 318 00:17:44.579 --> 00:17:52.920 And last time, there were lovely, shiny, brilliantined, gorgeous pepper pot, Lewis Marks, 60s Daleks, as well as we were saying in the last podcast. 319 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:55.500 That was the very last true Dalek story. 320 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:56.279 Did you know? 321 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:01.319 It's in Terry Nations actual contract that the Davros had to appear in every subsequent Dalek story. 322 00:18:01.380 --> 00:18:03.180 Yes, he insisted on that. 323 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.180 I always think it was laziness, but... 324 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:09.000 Did you find that a bit entire set before? 325 00:18:09.059 --> 00:18:09.960 Oh, yeah, awful. 326 00:18:10.019 --> 00:18:14.880 That's why Eric Saywood and later Ben Aronovic, included Dad Ross, because that was one of the stipulations. 327 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.980 It's the contract to use the Daleks. 328 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.440 I always assumed it was laziness on the BBC part. 329 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:21.720 It's Terry Bloody Nation, dear listener. 330 00:18:21.779 --> 00:18:30.059 I mean, there's something to be said for Davros, and we are getting way ahead of ourselves, but because you have to be a good writer, it's a right good Dalek dialogue. 331 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:30.779 Do you know what I mean? 332 00:18:31.140 --> 00:18:40.619 And if the Daleks are just going to wander around saying, seek locate, exterminate, then they're really boring and you need a human being to speak on their behalf, hence Stavros. 333 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:46.259 But in fact, you can write Daleks quite well, they don't need to be as boring as that. 334 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:47.940 They weren't in the 60s. 335 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.039 They aren't in the new series, you know. 336 00:18:50.099 --> 00:18:57.359 So I think that Davros allows the writers to be lazy with the Daleks and it actually has the opposite effect. 337 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:59.759 I want to go back to episode two. 338 00:18:59.819 --> 00:19:01.140 Episode 2 begins. 339 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:02.099 There's no reprise. 340 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:05.759 It's just straight into Sarah being smothered and attacked by the mid Coast. 341 00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:07.380 We haven't had that for a long time, have we? 342 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:09.240 That's so disturbing. 343 00:19:09.299 --> 00:19:12.839 Like, you know, what, you know, she is literally being manhandled. 344 00:19:12.900 --> 00:19:14.160 Muto handled. 345 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:16.500 They're people. 346 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.019 Yeah, but horrible things could happen. 347 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:21.119 Like it really is quite on another level. 348 00:19:21.180 --> 00:19:22.380 Really, it is too. 349 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.339 You just, yeah, in these Hessian sacks of male intent pause to reflect. 350 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:28.859 And they, you know, and they fight over, if they're going to kill Sarah. 351 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:31.619 Yeah, it's quite, you know, she is in this jeopardy. 352 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:38.640 Meanwhile, of course, the doctor has been interrogated and he asks for some tea. at a very trying time. 353 00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:41.940 But who is Sarah rescued from the mutos bye? 354 00:19:42.059 --> 00:19:45.059 So isn't she's wrestling by? 355 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.900 Well, she's rescued by Severn 1st and then the False, yeah. 356 00:19:48.960 --> 00:20:01.920 And the most amazing thing for anyone who's seen any Doctor Who at all, or at least, you know, 2 Terry Nation stories, in the past 12 years, is that the files are collecting slave workers, aren't they? 357 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:04.619 And so the muters want to kill you. 358 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.380 The car leads, you know, firing guns at you. 359 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:17.579 And then the files come along, wasting good ammunition shooting mutos and now they're collecting people to load dystronic explosives into their last great rocket. 360 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.559 And so everyone is evil. 361 00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:21.779 Is it saying that about World War II then? 362 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:31.559 No, I don't think it is, but I do think it's Terry Nation's instinct, you know, like in Blake 7, he wants everything to be very gun and grim and dark. 363 00:20:31.619 --> 00:20:40.500 And Bob Holmes is not the person to get him to kind of mitigate that instinct in any way. 364 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:45.180 But Bob Holmes has a lightness of touch and a great ability at duality. 365 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:47.759 So in the darkest moments, you'll throw in a lovely mom. 366 00:20:47.819 --> 00:20:48.839 Like, what, no tea? 367 00:20:48.900 --> 00:20:55.140 But the doctor gets to be funny and our heroes get to be good, but basically everyone's awful. 368 00:20:55.259 --> 00:20:56.039 I think. 369 00:20:56.099 --> 00:20:57.359 Don't you? 370 00:20:57.420 --> 00:21:00.059 Do you think that by awful, you mean not redeemable? 371 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:02.640 But horrible people, the whole, everyone's horrible. 372 00:21:02.700 --> 00:21:05.039 As ever, except for as a group. 373 00:21:05.099 --> 00:21:11.220 Actually, if I end up the only irredeemable characters, a Nider and Davros, as it should be. 374 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:12.720 No, not necessarily. 375 00:21:12.779 --> 00:21:16.500 So, I mean, I think that Sevron is a nice person. 376 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:21.720 And then the Kali... that wants to escape with Sarah. 377 00:21:21.779 --> 00:21:24.480 The one who's awfully plumb and very RP. 378 00:21:24.539 --> 00:21:26.039 Dystronic Toxivia. 379 00:21:26.099 --> 00:21:27.900 This is it's so awful, this. 380 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:30.839 He's the Richard Franklin of season 12, isn't he? 381 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:33.000 So the doctor meets him, doesn't he? 382 00:21:33.059 --> 00:21:35.400 this one's, yeah, like he meets him. 383 00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:37.140 He's the one who takes him to General Raven. 384 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.380 Somehow he's captured by the files, but we don't actually see that happen. 385 00:21:40.500 --> 00:21:47.099 And then Sarah's leading out leading the breakout because they don't want dystronic toxaemia or whatever and they want to escape. 386 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:48.299 And so they have to... 387 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:49.140 And the rocket square. 388 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:50.039 It will never fly. 389 00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:51.960 It will just cause a huge mess before it goes up. 390 00:21:52.019 --> 00:21:55.140 But they have to, so they climb up the scaffolding. 391 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:56.640 Which is horrific. 392 00:21:56.700 --> 00:22:04.380 So we're in Ealing Studio suddenly and we're on film and the camera is slowly panning up. 393 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:05.519 It's one of the times. 394 00:22:05.579 --> 00:22:06.660 I don't think it's even panning. 395 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:08.519 It's like actually going up. 396 00:22:08.579 --> 00:22:09.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 397 00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:11.819 And the vertiginous scale of that. 398 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:12.660 Wonderful. 399 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:16.380 And then people are being shot and falling off the thing. 400 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:37.680 And there's one utterly, utterly horrifying moment and remind me why Sarah ever gets in the time I've ever had, whether young, that young Khaled officer, Sarah can't get her handhold. the young coloured officer puts his arms around her to support her as she gets up and then he shot dead and he falls off the thing and you see him hit the ground. 401 00:22:37.740 --> 00:22:39.599 Yeah, it's all full. 402 00:22:39.660 --> 00:22:40.380 It's so awful. 403 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:41.880 She screams, he screams. 404 00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:44.039 It's it's horrifying. 405 00:22:44.099 --> 00:22:48.779 And then she falls for the cliffhanger, off the... 406 00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:50.519 For a freeze frame. 407 00:22:50.579 --> 00:22:52.019 First freeze frame, cliffhanger. 408 00:22:52.140 --> 00:22:53.579 Awful, just horrendous. 409 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:55.319 Now when do I remembered it as a kid? 410 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:56.700 Yeah, Harold. 411 00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:57.539 How good was it? 412 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:03.480 That was going about the reprise to episode 3 how she suddenly falls inside, but she doesn't fall inside. 413 00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:04.380 She just falls on this. 414 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:06.420 No, it's a cheap. 415 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.660 The platform is hanging outside the scaffold. 416 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:10.500 It is outside. 417 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:12.599 Yeah, she's not even winded though. 418 00:23:12.660 --> 00:23:14.519 She's unconscious. 419 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:17.519 That's pretty weird. 420 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:20.579 Come on, they shake her and she's, all right, I'll keep climbing up the thing. 421 00:23:21.059 --> 00:23:23.460 She doesn't even say ow. 422 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:24.539 She gets to the top. 423 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:29.700 And then it's like, you know, having to jump over this crevice, you know, to the other side. 424 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:35.880 And then that horrible statistic soldier when they actually do capture the top, then dangles are off the top of the rocket. 425 00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:37.740 Like, I mean, I'm having heart palpitations. 426 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:39.480 And it's very terry nation dialogue too. 427 00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:42.839 It's that thing, you know, they say that people die before they hit the ground. 428 00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:44.039 I don't believe that. 429 00:23:44.099 --> 00:23:44.700 Do you? 430 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:46.200 I mean, it's so sadistic. 431 00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:47.339 It's awful. 432 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.380 Although... 433 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:57.180 There is one nice thing in that it's nice to see the 2nd instance of Elizabeth Slayton's wonderful. can't move. 434 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.180 I always love when she does that. 435 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:01.140 Yes, yes. 436 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:15.720 Meanwhile, the doctor meets Ronson, the scientist in white, and Ronson is then convinced by the doctor's use of the word dalek before Daros is uses Dalek, and so then he talks about getting them to the citadel to talk to the leaders. 437 00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:17.579 And so in episode three, that happens. 438 00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:24.180 And it just sort of, it's just a cut, like, I mean, you see a bit of their journey, but then you don't see the initial meeting or how they get together. 439 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:25.259 They just are. 440 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:30.240 And that's one of the things that I find interesting about this story is that quite often there are these little jumps through it. 441 00:24:30.299 --> 00:24:33.359 So they reach Councillor Mogrid. 442 00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:35.819 And his associates. 443 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:44.640 They're all pretty like dull and dying with them like their moustaches and their hair and their. is so close to Mogadon, isn't it? 444 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:50.519 But I do like how Raven now has to be nice to the doctor because he's got Mogren on the side. 445 00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:58.740 And so Raven's explaining the stuff about the dome and the Raven takes that very well as he takes a lot of things very well, I expect, because he's used to following orders. 446 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:02.700 So just that the doctor is now assumed to be in the pajeminist hierarchy. 447 00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:14.400 But also, as I said earlier, he's been having his doubts because his resources keep being taken away and he wants, he is a good soldier in that he wants to do the best he can do. 448 00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:17.519 And as you said, I'm expected to fight a war without men or a request. 449 00:25:17.579 --> 00:25:21.720 His primary drive is his internal logic, which I guess is what a soldier is supposed to be. 450 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:28.380 Of course, the doctor and Harry have to traverse through Davros' experiments. 451 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.740 And of course, Harry stumbles across the giant plant. 452 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:33.480 The clam of thrills. 453 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:36.420 With the wonderful fake rock that the doctor picks up to. 454 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:40.200 The 2nd worst aquatic giant monster in exist. 455 00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:45.480 Do you know, I learned a new Latin word from this. because I actually didn't know this before. 456 00:25:45.539 --> 00:25:52.200 So when Harry gets rescued and he goes, oh, you know, why do I always have to be the one who puts my foot in it in a reference to Arc in Space. 457 00:25:52.259 --> 00:25:52.740 Yes. 458 00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:54.900 And then he says Magna Polorus. 459 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:56.940 And the doctor says what? 460 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.819 And he says Latin and the doctor says, never mind the Latin. 461 00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:05.519 Magna pelorus just means giant clam, but I didn't know the word pelorus in Latin before, and it is feminine. 462 00:26:05.700 --> 00:26:07.680 It's all grammatically correct. 463 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:08.460 It is. 464 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:09.000 Thank you. 465 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.319 But then suddenly we're in the thal dome, aren't we? 466 00:26:13.380 --> 00:26:15.839 And it does get rather confusing in the middle of this story. 467 00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:17.339 I'm confused where I'm at. 468 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:23.400 They move from speaking to the car-led counsellors to, then they're in the Faldome. 469 00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:27.539 And in the Faldome, we get Davros and Nider. 470 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:28.319 Yeah, yeah. 471 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.319 Davros and I, and betraying the people by giving the form. 472 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:37.920 Because Mogadon or whatever his name has ordered Dabros to shut down his experiments. 473 00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:43.559 So Davros arranges for the dome, which is all where all the civilians and the politicians are because he's under the dome. 474 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.720 He ranges for the dome to be destroyed. 475 00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:47.759 So that is another quick move, isn't it? 476 00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:54.539 And then we get the doctor, you know, breaking into rescue Sarah and everyone from their dystronic nightmare. 477 00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.960 And he looked, he reminds me of X-Ling in the house. 478 00:26:58.019 --> 00:26:58.859 In that suit. 479 00:26:58.920 --> 00:26:59.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 480 00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:01.920 And it's another really effective cliffhanger. 481 00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.619 He's being electrocuted and bearing his teeth. 482 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.559 It's Tommy Payne, which happens quite a lot during the Hinchcliffe era. 483 00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:09.359 We see lots of Tom bearing his teeth in game. 484 00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:10.500 But it's a magic button. 485 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.480 Like, why does that thing have to be electrocuted? 486 00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:14.099 Is it Terry Walsh is the guard? 487 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:15.000 Who the guard they're going to do? 488 00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:16.019 No, it's not Terry Walsh. 489 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:16.980 Cherry Walsh will appear later. 490 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.019 He's not done with yet. 491 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:21.240 But he's just inches towards the button. 492 00:27:21.299 --> 00:27:25.079 The special button, but electrocutes and puts you up against like... 493 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:26.759 Yeah, why do they have that button? 494 00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:30.299 It is the bottom of the scaffold, which the prisoner is trying to escape up earlier. 495 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.160 So maybe they've electrified it. 496 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:33.059 There you go. 497 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:33.779 Recon. 498 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:34.980 Recon is awesome. 499 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.279 Episode 4 is the 1st time we have another female character. 500 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.079 It's our third woman for the year. 501 00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:40.920 Hooray. 502 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:44.759 And who just happens to suddenly appear and talk to the doctor. 503 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.579 And you're a great fan of... 504 00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:52.200 I think she's really great. she is. 505 00:27:52.259 --> 00:28:12.240 Because it's clear that she is a very junior member of either the Senate staff or all the army staff, probably armed forces because she's quite a good fighter later on, but, you know, she's just hanging around in the background while all the sort of politicians and whatnot are talking about the dome and she doesn't say anything until all her bosses leave and she just says to the doctor, look, there's an amnesty. free to go. 506 00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:15.839 I think that she's a very sympathetic character from the off. 507 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:23.759 And indeed, because at that point, the doctor and us, the viewer, are worried that Sarah and Harry have been killed. 508 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.839 She's immediately introduced as a companion substitute asking all the same things as well. 509 00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:30.000 Yes, yes, because the doctor thinks they're both dead. 510 00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:32.220 Yeah, yeah. sent my friends back into that. 511 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:37.200 The real lack of females really does begin to annoy me and especially in the elite. 512 00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:37.740 They're all men. 513 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:39.240 It's ridiculous. 514 00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:44.339 In episode five, they find a lovely new outfit for Sarah in a cupboard somewhere with some bombs. 515 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:45.599 Like, who's been wearing that? 516 00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:49.079 Garmin has been relaxing in that after work? 517 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:50.880 Not only that, but it's green camouflage. 518 00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:53.640 We've already seen that the quarry outside is completely gray. 519 00:28:53.700 --> 00:28:54.720 What is the point? 520 00:28:54.779 --> 00:28:56.160 It's really interesting. 521 00:28:56.220 --> 00:29:02.339 Garmin is in the background for a lot of things up until episode 4 is when he suddenly starts to become involved in the pot. 522 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.400 And I thought he was really much more involved throughout the whole thing. 523 00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:06.839 No, so it's that. 524 00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:14.160 You know, it's the Holmes thing of splitting it into a four-parter and a two-parter, and so it's preparing for parts 5 and 6, which are about the bunker. 525 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:21.960 Of course, and they get to prepare for parts 5 and 6 by going past the giant clamps again. poor Elizabeth Sudden has to act her socks off by shrieking at these things. 526 00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:22.980 They don't even move. 527 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.319 They're the new slither. 528 00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:27.420 They're the new cheaply realised Maya beasts. 529 00:29:27.539 --> 00:29:33.420 And then there's a lot of little moment when Harry crawls into that tunnel and the doctor and Sarah have this moment. 530 00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:35.579 It's all about, well, what could be at the end of this? 531 00:29:35.579 --> 00:29:39.359 And the doctor says, well, better not tell Harry he's gone first. 532 00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:43.740 And of course, then she climbs in and there's that reaction, just goes, you know. 533 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.599 Okay, I'm reacting people. 534 00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:47.880 I'm not expressing it over the podcast. 535 00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:50.880 Yeah, and it's just a lovely moment. 536 00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:53.940 It's lovely to have all 3 of them together again. after being separated. 537 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:54.480 Yeah. 538 00:29:54.480 --> 00:30:02.279 Plot wise, this story is not really weird. analysing because there are so many holes you can fall in the larger neighbours of a giant clam. 539 00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:04.019 It's about the characters. 540 00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:05.160 It's about the relationship. 541 00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:13.019 You know why this story is so strong for me looking back at it. because the doctor is almost ineffectual and in the end, you know, what does he do? 542 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:14.039 Put it back a 1000 years. 543 00:30:14.099 --> 00:30:15.480 Why did he even bother? 544 00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:18.960 He's so distant from the centre of the plot. 545 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.359 Well, I actually think that's a flaw. 546 00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:32.099 You know, episodes one to four, the Khalid War and stuff, and that's pretty much put a stop to by the end of episode four, and episodes 5 and 6 are about what's going on in the bunker. 547 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:33.839 Politics in the bunker. 548 00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:36.480 It's all about other Dalek's going to be created or not. 549 00:30:36.539 --> 00:30:38.640 It's where the doctor gets to do his one big thing. 550 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.000 And that one big thing is blow up the incubator room. 551 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:50.099 And I actually kind of like it because in the Somtarin experiment, sort of in the 2nd half of that, the doctor goes straight up to Stire and confronts him. 552 00:30:50.160 --> 00:31:02.579 Whereas in this, the doctor and Davros are in the same room in, I think, episode 2 for quite a period of time, but Davros just completely ignores him, it's like, if this is a Nazi parable to an extent. 553 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:07.559 A prisoner of war who's been picked up with no papers is not going to get to meet Adolf Hitler. 554 00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:17.400 You know, it's through the doctor's various actions in the plot, undermining Dan Ross, making the senators rise up against him, trying to broker a piece. 555 00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:19.980 It's through those actions that he comes to that Ross's attention. 556 00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:23.940 And I actually quite like that slow build. 557 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:34.799 You're waiting for them to meet for the whole story because we keep seeing Davros and Davros' intelligence and cunning then is not defined by his relationship with the doctor. 558 00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:50.220 He's allowed to be established as a character who is intelligent or ruthless in his own right, not because he's out to get the doctor, but because he is so single-minded and determined against his own people but working for his own people. 559 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:58.019 And so Todd is this scene in episode 5 that we're about to get to, is that their 1st moment together? 560 00:31:58.079 --> 00:31:59.220 I think so. 561 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.339 When they almost exterminated earlier with the Darling? 562 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:02.880 Yeah, yeah. 563 00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:05.039 That's what you were talking about before. 564 00:32:05.099 --> 00:32:07.319 Yeah, Davos orders the dialect to exterminate them. 565 00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:08.880 And, yeah, yeah. 566 00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:10.559 Ronson steps in and stops him. 567 00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:14.579 But as you were saying here, we're transitioning to the last 2 part story. 568 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.039 And so we've got the classic nighter. 569 00:32:17.099 --> 00:32:19.319 Well, you could do a bit of me. sorry Thank you. 570 00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:20.279 That's what I wanted to know. 571 00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:21.180 Yes. 572 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.099 Love, and, of course, they're betrayed. 573 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:28.799 And then, of course, now at the end of this episode, we've got the Dr. Davos, Sarah and Harry are under interrogation. 574 00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:31.920 So apparently the Daleks invaded Earth in the year 2000. 575 00:32:32.099 --> 00:32:32.640 Do you remember? 576 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.039 just after the Olympics. 577 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:39.960 Yes, but he also throws in that line that they're defeated by the Earth's magnetic core. 578 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:40.559 They're not. 579 00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:42.960 They're def defeated by lovely Barbara Wright. 580 00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:46.859 But also, we now need to remember that. 581 00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:50.400 At the end of the story, things are set back by a 1000 years. 582 00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:52.680 But that's before things are set back. 583 00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:57.180 Maybe we're living in the post-chain, post-time war timeline. 584 00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:01.559 Or the timelordy brain is able to twist facts, just a little bit. 585 00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:03.839 I just think Terry didn't look it up properly. 586 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.559 We haven't got to the virus that decays the... 587 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:12.240 Well, that's where we're up to. that know that eats the insulation on the cables on Mars. 588 00:33:12.299 --> 00:33:13.799 That's right. 589 00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:14.579 When is that coming? 590 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.819 Oh, the war fleet of rockets from the planet Hyper. 591 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:18.359 That's the one. 592 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:25.740 So we're now in episode five, that interrogation scene that you've been talking about, which I just think Michael Wisher and Tom Baker. 593 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:27.180 It's incredible. 594 00:33:27.299 --> 00:33:31.440 Is this the defining moment of Doctor Who for the 70s when you get the 2 opposings? 595 00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:32.819 Davros's logic. 596 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:35.039 At least it's organic and internal. 597 00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:36.119 We may find it flawed. 598 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:41.700 The Daleks are ultimately a force for good because all opposition will be wiped out and there will finally be peace. 599 00:33:41.819 --> 00:33:45.480 Well, the difference causes dissension, different causes. 600 00:33:45.539 --> 00:33:46.980 Difference and variation. 601 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:53.339 Whereas the doctor says difference, et la joie, de viv, differences, the spice of life, and joyousness. 602 00:33:53.400 --> 00:34:03.539 So he's actually the queer friendly character in this, whereas Davros is the government says you can't have marriage equality. despite his friends. or indeed because of them. 603 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:10.980 I mean, it is an entire society of men who all live underground, you know, and to march up and down in... 604 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:11.880 I'm not drawing anything from that. 605 00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:15.000 Harry gets to get in one of those black... 606 00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:15.900 Yeah, he looks great. 607 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:17.039 Amazing. 608 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.059 Back to the 60s movie and... 609 00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:24.179 Burning Crippers. like, would you care to it? 610 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.699 No, Nathan, does Terry Walsh turn up with garment in this episode? 611 00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:27.420 Yes. 612 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.880 So Terry Walsh turns up. 613 00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:36.420 He's a car-led scientist, and that's when you find some bombs in a cupboard and so on with hilarious results. cute togies. 614 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.639 Yes, a new clothes, which is just so convenient. 615 00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:41.219 This helps continuity for the very next story. 616 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:42.659 When did they have a wash? 617 00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:44.519 That's what worries me. 618 00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:45.719 And it was terry, of course. 619 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:46.920 Sorry, Terry. 620 00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:49.920 Terry's playing everyone, even in Marta's character here. 621 00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:54.780 No, because Harry hasn't changed clothes since the end of Robots. 622 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:55.500 Yes, right. 623 00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.599 His clothes have frequently seen his muddy, you know, when he's on location. 624 00:35:00.659 --> 00:35:03.179 And so he must stink like a corpse. 625 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:04.920 It's outrageous. 626 00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:06.000 We can't get into the Tartars. 627 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:13.260 Especially considering as according to the later BBC books, he gets turned into a werewolf between 2 of these stories as well. 628 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:14.699 That never happened. 629 00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.159 We're heading towards the conclusion but we're not there yet. 630 00:35:17.219 --> 00:35:20.099 The time ring, of course, is re-mentioned here. 631 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.719 I love the time ring. 632 00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:24.059 I like the whole concept of the time ring throughout these stories. 633 00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.519 I wanted a time ring when I was there. 634 00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:30.420 Yeah, but it's a piece of lovely 70s copper art. to make it school. 635 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.039 Oh, you just go anywhere, really? 636 00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:33.179 You didn't need a TARDIS. 637 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:34.679 You could just use the time ring. 638 00:35:34.739 --> 00:35:40.199 But of course, the end of the episode is, of course, the doctor in the incubator room trying to do some damage. 639 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.139 And of course, he comes out with the crowded mutant strangling him. 640 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.559 So can we talk about this because this is iconic, isn't it? 641 00:35:46.619 --> 00:35:49.199 I think it's a reference to the viewers and listeners society. 642 00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:50.639 I think it's meant to be Mary White. 643 00:35:51.059 --> 00:35:53.579 His speech is in episode six. 644 00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:54.539 It's in episode six. 645 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:54.960 Yeah. 646 00:35:55.019 --> 00:35:58.500 So he's in there to blow up the Daleks and his speech in episode six. 647 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.059 That's just too creepy. 648 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.940 The speech makes it clear that he'll destroy the Daleks forever. 649 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.719 That what's at stake. 650 00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:08.039 Can I destroy the Daleks? 651 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.860 Well, that's what that's what that's what the doctor said. 652 00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:15.420 That's what he wanted to destroy. 653 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:21.539 The big moral issue that he raises is a kind of utilitarian one. 654 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.980 So the idea is that an action is good depending on how good its consequences are. 655 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:30.000 And because the consequences are in some way incalculable. 656 00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:31.199 You know what I mean? 657 00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:33.239 He can't tell what the consequences are going to be. 658 00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:35.400 He can't bring himself to do it. 659 00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:38.760 And so it's eventually saved from having to make that decision. 660 00:36:38.820 --> 00:36:44.760 But there is a big giant cheek, of course, which is that he just goes back and does it anyway later. 661 00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:45.659 Yes. 662 00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:54.659 It doesn't destroy the Daleks this time for no readily apparent reason, and he doesn't have to join the wires together himself anyway, because a handy Dale comes and does it for him. 663 00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:55.559 Do you know what I mean? 664 00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:58.920 So that is rightly praised, I think, that scene. 665 00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:01.019 It is good and Tom's great in it, don't you? 666 00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:01.860 Yes, definitely. 667 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:20.940 It makes the decision something really concrete, you know, by having the 2 bits of wine that the doctor has to join together, giving him a positive visible action that you can see him tending towards doing. you know, is perfect, but it doesn't really quite work and it is a little bit of a cheat. 668 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.599 And it's Sarah is the one who is saying, no, you have to do it. 669 00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:28.739 And interestingly, she says, you have to complete your mission for the timelords. 670 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:35.760 At 1st she appeals with, if you like, the humanitarian side of it, like the Daleks are evil. 671 00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:37.559 There are no redeeming features about them. 672 00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:38.219 What have you? 673 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:44.039 But I find it very interesting that she views it as a matter of just following orders. 674 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:49.860 Well, don't you think that by then she's just throwing anything at him, do you know what I mean, to get him to do it? 675 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:51.840 Like, she just wants to get him to do it. 676 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:53.760 Yeah. home. 677 00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:58.139 She's had such a torrid timing the last few weeks. 678 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.800 She just wants to kill a race. a little bit better. 679 00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.460 I think we've all had those like that. 680 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:13.679 I think, though, we've also glossed over the fact that that speech is a response to the discussion earlier. 681 00:38:13.739 --> 00:38:23.460 Imagine if you had created in your lab in your laboratory, a virus so contagious in it, an infectious that it killed immediately on contact, would you allow its use? 682 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:26.820 Now there, the doctor is likening the daleks to the virus. 683 00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:30.840 But when he has the power to kill them all, he is the virus. 684 00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:35.219 Well, he likens them to a child, in fact, when he... 685 00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:36.420 Could you kill that child? 686 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:37.619 as well. 687 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:50.820 You know that speech is so much engrained in fan lore and fan thinking that it was written into a backbencher under Tony Blair's speech in the 90s? 688 00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:54.780 Yeah, I think I remember hearing about it that often announced it in Parliament. 689 00:38:54.840 --> 00:39:05.280 So we're rapidly heading towards the conclusion of the story and Space Betan is back and she's ready to blow up the corridor, so the doctor cannot get out of the bunker. 690 00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:10.019 See, I think she's like Jenny from Dalek Invasion of Earth, which is why I hate Earth. 691 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:18.239 So she's the mean one who won't allow us just 15 minutes to get, you know, our friends out of the bunker because she's so crazy. 692 00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:28.380 But she's quite, they're not quite good technology because they've got that special scanner that can penetrate through and see what's going on in that. give you a monochrome video signal. very crisp. 693 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.420 It's a bit crummy, isn't it? 694 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:42.360 Because they kind of realise that our heroes need to know that Davros and Nada have been killed and that the Daleks have taken over, but none of them can possibly be present in that scene because they would all be killed. 695 00:39:42.420 --> 00:39:46.320 So they just watch it all on various videos, which is really awful. 696 00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:53.340 And then the other really terrible terri nation plot device is when Tom drops the fluid link during the scuffle. 697 00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:57.780 And the time ring... 698 00:39:57.780 --> 00:40:02.400 Oh, that was... during the scuffle and then they can't escape from the room. 699 00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:07.920 So it's sort of delaying tactics and sort of slightly ham-fisted plotting, I think. 700 00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:16.260 So you're saying that despite Terry Nation slash Robert Holmes, writing this story, those Terry Nations. is still underlying. 701 00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:18.480 There's still plenty of terry nationness to it. 702 00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:23.880 And, you know, you, I used to think this story was really overrated. 703 00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:27.119 I don't now. you know, having watched it in context. 704 00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:32.639 I think it's amazing and it's full of just incredible performances, Dudley Simpsons on fire for it. 705 00:40:32.699 --> 00:40:35.639 You know, just everything comes together. 706 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:44.460 And my objections to it would be that, I think it's probably too horrible for Doctor Who, but that's not a massive objection. 707 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:49.860 But it is still tarry nation with all the attendant problems that entails. 708 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:54.900 I like a lot of the minor performances in this by the supporting characters. 709 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.579 Severon in particular, who Sarah thanks at one point after they escape and then he's back at the end. 710 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.340 He's just there, you know, and I think he does a really good job. 711 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.500 Garmin, I'm not that impressed with. 712 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:10.079 I think his lisp in particular comes through and I actually think he's playing. isn't he? 713 00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:11.219 With that hair. 714 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:15.599 Anyway, I just don't I think he's actually pretty... 715 00:41:15.659 --> 00:41:16.679 Rod thinks he's pretty. 716 00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:18.599 I think he didn't say that. 717 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:25.079 He's very average and he's like an acting ability will a peer. 718 00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:29.880 I'm sorry I actually like going as the human face. 719 00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:30.900 He is kind of the side. 720 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.599 He is one side of that conflict in those last 2 episodes. 721 00:41:33.659 --> 00:41:34.559 He is important to the story. 722 00:41:34.619 --> 00:41:37.619 He's a little bit famous 5 though, let's be honest. 723 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:38.159 Yeah. 724 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:39.599 And of course, Sam... 725 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:40.739 So that must have a choice. 726 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:41.460 You say that? 727 00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:42.480 like it's a bad thing. 728 00:41:42.539 --> 00:41:49.860 And then, of course, at the end, we've got time ring and out and we get to see them spinning on the floor of the studio, is it? 729 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:51.659 The doctor's line there too. 730 00:41:51.780 --> 00:42:00.000 I know out of their evil must come something good, like the last great time war in which a whole bunch of people, including everyone on Galafra. 731 00:42:00.059 --> 00:42:01.199 Actually, that is pretty good, isn't it? 732 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.539 Somewhere in he said anything. 733 00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:07.559 Somewhere in his youth or childhood, he must have done something good. 734 00:42:07.619 --> 00:42:09.719 But it is, again, in my burglar. 735 00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:13.500 It's the dance at the end of 7th seal, and I love it for that. 736 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:15.059 I think it's pretty much flawless. 737 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.139 I don't care that there are plot holes you can dive for starship through. great. 738 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.119 Look, I found it really enjoyable. 739 00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:24.420 I think it's excellent It's not going to be my top favourite thing ever. 740 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.480 But it's certainly, you know, of a very high quality. 741 00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:28.260 Yeah. 742 00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:31.079 Do you know Michael Wisher wasn't the 1st casting of Devros. 743 00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:35.460 He's just around because he'd just done the previous story and he'd done Dalek voices. 744 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.119 I would love to know who was the 1st casting of Davros. 745 00:42:39.179 --> 00:42:40.079 Unless City Kendall. 746 00:42:40.139 --> 00:42:40.679 Thank you. 747 00:42:40.739 --> 00:42:41.940 It's all I needed to know. 748 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.460 It's not in the, it's not in the show notes. 749 00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:47.099 And I, it's so far, and I have researched it. 750 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.860 No one can tell who was actually 1st cast. 751 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:51.539 Just before we finish up. 752 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.960 I foreshadowed that I had a Liz Sladen story. 753 00:42:55.019 --> 00:43:02.519 If you watch the making of documentary on the Genesis of the Daleks DVD, it features an interview with Visbeth Sladen. 754 00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:03.239 Oh, yeah. 755 00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:08.039 And the interview was conducted by Ian Levine, who produced the whole documentary. 756 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:08.760 It's very well done. 757 00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:22.619 But he includes a blooper at the end, which makes fun of him a little, because you hear Ian Levine's voice off camera asking, Liz, can I just ask you, why is it that halfway through this horrible story about war where you're being hunted down? 758 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.059 Do you find another outfit? 759 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:31.440 And Liz Leyden replies with something... reminds something I'm going off. 760 00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:35.340 Oh, Ian, you try running about in the same clothes for 4 weeks, darling. 761 00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:37.079 With a darling up your ass. 762 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.019 This is the actual word she uses. 763 00:43:52.739 --> 00:44:02.460 Well, that's all the extended time we have for Genesis of the Daleks, but the Nerva Beacon Story Arc ends next week. 764 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:03.840 Sorry, did I say beacon? 765 00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:05.639 I don't know why I could have said beacon. 766 00:44:05.699 --> 00:44:09.960 So we head back to the space station for Revenge of the Sidemen. 767 00:44:10.019 --> 00:44:15.780 Until then, do please find us at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes. 768 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:20.340 You expected me to say something there, but I'm not going to because I think you'll ride a robot now. 769 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.199 Please review. 770 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.360 We won't shut up until you do. 771 00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:26.820 Or FTE podcast on Twitter. 772 00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.579 Until then, thank you very much for listening and good night. 773 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:30.360 Good night. 774 00:44:30.420 --> 00:44:31.440 Good everything. 775 00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:33.059 I'm exhausted. 776 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.960 Explains your costume change. 777 00:44:38.460 --> 00:44:44.460 That was Flight through Entirety with Todd BLB, Nathan Boffinley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone. 778 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:49.320 This episode, Bring Back the Dravens, was recorded on Sunday, June 14th. 779 00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:52.199 The next episode will be released on the 19th of July. 780 00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:57.840 If you had a potentially spoilerific discussion during your podcast recording, Would you allow its use? 781 00:44:57.900 --> 00:44:58.500 Well, I have. 782 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:00.780 So if you want to avoid spoilers, press stop now. 783 00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:14.219 Yeah, and also I gather I know nothing else about this, but apparently Peter Capaldi's doctor will be faced with that decision at some point this year. 784 00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:21.420 He'll have to decide whether to wear that horrible black and white polka dotted shirt from Kill the Moon again. correct. 785 00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:25.440 Or just take Jenna Coleman between his thumb and forefinger. 786 00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:27.239 No, no, squish her hands. 787 00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:29.880 Apparently, there is a storyline this year based around. 788 00:45:29.940 --> 00:45:33.539 If you were told a child was completely equal. 789 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:34.679 Could you then kill that child? 790 00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:36.780 Oh, so Stephen Moffatt. 791 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.059 I'm certain I reckon I could. 792 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:40.019 What do you reckon? 793 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:40.800 Can we just have a moment? 794 00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:43.199 I just want to put money down for the dear listener. 795 00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:44.639 You can put this at the end if you like. 796 00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:49.739 But I reckon that the companion for Missy will be another version of... 797 00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:51.900 Sarah Jane Smith. 798 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:53.039 No, I'd like to say that. 799 00:45:53.099 --> 00:46:04.320 Well, I do think that the casting of Jenna Coleman, she's meant to be the Sarah Jane for the 21st century, and not just in looks, but in background, and okay, she's a school teacher and a nanny, but she's meant to be Sarah Jane. 800 00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:07.079 Oh, yeah, yeah, very much so. 801 00:46:07.139 --> 00:46:13.199 No, I think I think that we'll get another we'll get another Clara in one of her other incarnations through the time stream.