WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:13:22 1 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:38.100 Hello and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast, which has served this country for 7 generations, but that seems not to count for much these days. 2 00:00:38.460 --> 00:00:38.939 I am Brendan. 3 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:41.939 I'm Nathan And I'm that order of pizza marinari. 4 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:46.920 You called for, which is so many great plot lines started so similarly, didn't they? 5 00:00:46.979 --> 00:00:48.119 That's not for here. 6 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:49.439 Although is it? 7 00:00:49.619 --> 00:00:53.039 I think we've actually reached carry-on doctor, haven't we? 8 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:54.179 We have indeed. 9 00:00:54.539 --> 00:01:01.320 And so we're carrying on up the Khyber right up to Scotland via Sussex for Terror of the Zygons. 10 00:01:01.380 --> 00:01:02.280 Hang on, what's that? 11 00:01:11.340 --> 00:01:14.819 Isn't that Douglas Canfield singing that little dirgy ditty right now? 12 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:19.859 Because, you know, it's Dougie Canfield singing when Oqui Angus is polishing up his eyeballs. 13 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:22.439 Polishing up Broton's remote eyeballs. 14 00:01:22.500 --> 00:01:24.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah, on the on the 11th stagger. 15 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:28.980 Do you think there's a listener alive or indeed past who hasn't seen this story? 16 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:33.299 Because I know our chums in Canadian haven't heard, haven't seen it yet, have they? 17 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:33.959 Have they not? 18 00:01:34.019 --> 00:01:34.379 No. 19 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:39.900 It was the last DVD to be released, wasn't it, in the DVD? 20 00:01:39.900 --> 00:01:43.560 Until the Philip Morris extravaganza, which were too... 21 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:44.640 But it was certainly very late. 22 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:48.239 And people were asking, why, why is this coming so late? 23 00:01:48.299 --> 00:01:52.019 It was always intended to be the last of the classic BBC range. 24 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:58.439 And then the Philip Morris rediscoveries, which we're still promised, 16 or 17? 25 00:01:58.500 --> 00:02:04.620 Well, now even Tom Spielsbury has said that he firmly believes there is nothing left to come back. 26 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:05.819 Right. 27 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:07.859 Oh that's for another podcast. 28 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:11.520 Anyway, we talked about all this. 29 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:15.539 Back with back in around episode 15 to 20. 30 00:02:15.780 --> 00:02:18.840 We're not still bitter that we don't have enough Patrick and our lives, are we? 31 00:02:18.900 --> 00:02:20.520 No, no, don't be silly. 32 00:02:20.580 --> 00:02:21.060 Moving on. 33 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:22.919 Richard, terror of the Zygons is yours. 34 00:02:22.979 --> 00:02:24.780 It's funny you should mention Patrick. 35 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:30.000 Isn't this actually an Avengers story that just happens to have the doctor in it again? 36 00:02:30.060 --> 00:02:31.800 Oh, hang on, it's Robert Banks Stewart. 37 00:02:31.860 --> 00:02:36.240 And he'll come and do this again to us at the end of the year when it's, do you know what the original plot of this was? 38 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:36.960 What? 39 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:45.900 It was a gaggle, Q Gareth Roberts, if we're thinking of the well-mannered war or the English way of death, or indeed, one of the closing time. 40 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.840 What are some of the news stories that Gareth has written for Shakespeare? 41 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:49.560 Shakespeare code. 42 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:50.580 That was fun, yeah. 43 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:52.259 The lodger, a lodger. 44 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:53.099 I love the lodger. 45 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:53.819 The lodger. 46 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.939 You know, there's trickster stories with Sarah Jane. 47 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:57.900 They look great. 48 00:02:57.960 --> 00:02:59.460 Whatever happened with Sarah Jane. 49 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:00.180 Adventures. 50 00:03:00.300 --> 00:03:05.280 Well, we know she's hanging around in Surrey putting on a faux Maggie Smith accent. 51 00:03:05.340 --> 00:03:14.400 This one, the original plot, was a story of a gaggle of eccentrics faking a monster attack and an attempt for world domination inverted commas. 52 00:03:14.460 --> 00:03:17.280 If that's not a Diana Rig story, I don't know what it is. 53 00:03:17.340 --> 00:03:18.840 Sounds like a robot. 54 00:03:18.900 --> 00:03:30.780 Well, Pat probably makes Yeah, but Robert B. Stewart was did seem to be a bit miffed that he'd kind of been excised from the Avengers when Terry Nation. in fact, took over script editing in the Tara King Linda Thorson season. 55 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.740 And so, and Bank Stewart was kind of given a bit of an elbow. 56 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.800 So maybe there are a few old plots hanging around. 57 00:03:37.860 --> 00:03:44.580 But in the early days, yes, that was the vision of this, but it soon turned into something a hell of a lot more exciting. 58 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:53.759 You know, it wasn't even called the Zygote Zygons thing with just look at what the Zygons are, because I think this story is totally fantastic, for 3 things. 59 00:03:53.819 --> 00:03:59.699 It's the way the central cast just work together so brilliantly and stretch themselves out in new ways. 60 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:13.560 Harry is kind of amazing in this, really, probably the best you'll ever be, simply by being anti-hairy, you know, what a shame he didn't get going to Zita Minor and doing a rumba with the with the shower curtain monster that would have been right. 61 00:04:13.620 --> 00:04:14.039 Could. 62 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:15.120 Could have only improved it. 63 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:19.139 He will get to come back and be evil again. 64 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:21.300 Yes, when Doctor Who reboots. 65 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:34.259 Doctor Who reboots the zombie apocalypse by having a much loved preseasonal, you know, previous season companion who was everything we ever wanted to be act as if he's a walking cadaver. terrible. 66 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.379 But to where we are, timey points. 67 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:41.879 Yes, the 2nd one is the location and the secondary cast. 68 00:04:41.939 --> 00:04:45.779 I don't want to call them the extras because they shine as brilliantly and brightly. 69 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.600 Oh, Duke of Fogel, you've won my heart. 70 00:04:48.660 --> 00:04:49.680 Never leave me. 71 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:51.899 John, wouldn't it? 72 00:04:51.899 --> 00:04:53.759 is just... wouldn't you? 73 00:04:54.300 --> 00:04:56.459 Isn't he brilliant? 74 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:58.259 There's always the saturnine surly. 75 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:02.519 You realise it's broke on picking them up in his red land Range Rover. 76 00:05:02.579 --> 00:05:09.480 Number 3 is design and especially costume design and really glam rock foetuses. 77 00:05:09.540 --> 00:05:15.000 The same sort of pink things we used to put our bath soaps on in the 70s that had little suction cups all over the mat. 78 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.899 That's the little zigon foetal things. 79 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:20.040 It was zigon footpads. 80 00:05:20.100 --> 00:05:21.000 That's what they. 81 00:05:21.060 --> 00:05:21.839 It looks beautiful. 82 00:05:21.899 --> 00:05:24.240 It was it's James Atcheson again, isn't it? 83 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:28.920 And set design is Nigel Curzon, whom we love and admired. 84 00:05:28.980 --> 00:05:32.220 So it's through the deleted scene. yes It's frocking up. 85 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:33.899 You know what this was meant to be, don't you? 86 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.000 This was Dougie's own insertion. 87 00:05:36.060 --> 00:05:42.480 Canfield's own insertion as the tail end to his very 1st unit story invasion, where the TARDIS appears invisible in a cow field. 88 00:05:42.540 --> 00:05:43.800 Yes, that's very true. 89 00:05:43.860 --> 00:05:46.019 And it was Canfield's on mage to that. 90 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:46.800 So, do you get it? 91 00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:47.339 Do you get it? 92 00:05:47.459 --> 00:05:52.500 It was in the novelisation, so I was always aware of the scene, but it was never in the show. 93 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:55.439 My favourite thing about it, there's 2 great things about it, I think. 94 00:05:55.500 --> 00:05:59.759 And one is that Tom knows he's in Scotland because he's dressed for it. 95 00:05:59.819 --> 00:06:01.560 That's what he says. 96 00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:02.579 I'm best for it. 97 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.839 And there's a little moment where Sarah and Harry are there and they're just speculating about where they could be. 98 00:06:06.899 --> 00:06:08.339 They could be anywhere in the world. 99 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.980 They could be in a forest in sort of eastern Europe or something. 100 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:11.699 Sussex. 101 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:13.439 Yeah, so small, aren't they? 102 00:06:13.500 --> 00:06:14.699 But that's kind of nice. 103 00:06:14.819 --> 00:06:15.839 I think it is a good scene. 104 00:06:15.899 --> 00:06:18.540 And I think it does, it looks all right on the DVD, doesn't it? 105 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:19.439 Yeah, I had to fix it. 106 00:06:19.500 --> 00:06:20.699 The colourisation is so good. 107 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:32.399 I believe it was colorised by Stuart Humphreys of Babel Colour, who also worked on the Mind of Evil episode one colourisation, which, yeah, exactly for which we adore him. 108 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.699 But it's... 109 00:06:35.699 --> 00:06:38.879 It's one of those things where you can see why it was cut out. 110 00:06:38.939 --> 00:06:41.279 It doesn't move the plot anywhere at all. 111 00:06:41.339 --> 00:06:44.939 It's just this charming character moment between these 3 people. 112 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:52.139 And I think had terror of the Zigons not been held back because it was meant to go out immediately after Avenge of the Zigons. 113 00:06:52.199 --> 00:07:07.500 I think they might have kept it if it had been the following week because as you were saying through most of last season, Nathan, yeah, our 3 heroes go through some really horrible stuff. in that arc of stories from arc and space through to Revenge of the Cybermen. 114 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:11.339 So to have them land and have this little scene where they're going, oh, where are we? 115 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:12.360 I'm dressed for Scotland. 116 00:07:12.420 --> 00:07:13.319 So we're in Scotland. 117 00:07:13.379 --> 00:07:18.779 It's a fun little moment, but yeah, we don't, it only adds putting it back in. 118 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:23.579 We don't, we aren't bereft because the rest of the story is so amazing anyway. 119 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:30.839 Although as a young viewer, I really loved that they just came traipse and trolling out of the woods, cough, cough, together, wearing each other's clothes. 120 00:07:30.899 --> 00:07:33.000 It set up a great... 121 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:33.959 Yeah, yeah. 122 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.379 And it's also that they might have been, they might indeed have been a whole other adventure. 123 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:42.720 We promulgated and probably used that word because we were those sorts of children in the playground the next day. 124 00:07:42.779 --> 00:07:43.980 Remember that? 125 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:45.000 I was saying, well, what had they been? 126 00:07:45.060 --> 00:07:46.259 Perhaps there'd been a whole other adventure. 127 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.240 Do you realise before we move into the story? 128 00:07:48.300 --> 00:07:52.920 Because this is just one of the things that's just too exciting to not take the scenic route around the banks of the loch. 129 00:07:52.980 --> 00:07:55.500 Do you realise that Sir Peter Scott? 130 00:07:55.560 --> 00:08:09.899 Peter Scott was a conservatist, and he was scanning the lock, as he did, so he's something of an eccentric, released a sonar shot of what looked like a fin, or more technically correct, a fluke of a large sea creature in Loch Ness. 131 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:23.339 And he immediately had it, and Nathan, you can correct us on our Latin, immediately had it declared Necetarius rhomboopterics, which, as far as I know, means something called Nessie that's got a rhomboid fin. 132 00:08:23.399 --> 00:08:25.620 Yeah, rhombo. 133 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:26.939 But then he did... 134 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:31.439 Yeah, well, we certainly never got to that bit. so it could be declared an endangered species. 135 00:08:31.500 --> 00:08:33.779 And it was a wee little thing. 136 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:40.919 It wasn't the size of, you know, because I don't honestly think that the garrison would be able to flaunt it about, not necessarily a bit too big. 137 00:08:40.980 --> 00:08:43.259 This is Loctes isn't that... 138 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:44.820 Well yes, but it's not it's not that deep. 139 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:46.259 It's a bit too stop motion. 140 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:47.460 A bit too stop motion. 141 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:55.440 But yeah, all these really lovely, interesting things were going on, and then, of course, this is the perfect setting, and of course, you haven't mentioned Santa for yet, and we haven't had a drink. 142 00:08:55.500 --> 00:08:57.659 This is the winter season. 143 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:04.860 And as a boy, we had a very cold winter in Sydney that year, and I remember running home from school through fields, not unlike. 144 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:06.779 Yes, we had fields even in freshwater. 145 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:30.840 And I'm thinking about the coldness of this season, and this particular story, and it really bit in, and it won it, on that under level, and Santa has talked about autumnal themes, being about the internal dialogue, and being about the world inside, which is why you don't get a lot of great horror stories set on beaches. tends to be about woodsy, colder places where the mind turns in on itself. 146 00:09:30.899 --> 00:09:37.620 This story also does a lovely thing of the silky folk, which do sound like something Nathan would have just bought as a pet. 147 00:09:37.740 --> 00:09:46.740 But these were the seals in Scottish Legend, the seals who would occasionally assume human form, very much like the English fairy stories. 148 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:49.919 And the fairy folk were not the little things dancing in the bottom of your garden. 149 00:09:49.980 --> 00:09:56.519 They swapped human children for their own folk who were changelings so that they could move about in the real world as well. 150 00:09:56.580 --> 00:09:59.460 It's a perfect Zigon story. quite beautiful. 151 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:03.000 Oh, Sarah can't read mediaeval Latin in this one. 152 00:10:03.059 --> 00:10:04.080 Did you notice it in the library? 153 00:10:04.139 --> 00:10:05.460 pretty disappointed, actually. 154 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.320 But she can in the ghosts event space. 155 00:10:07.379 --> 00:10:08.700 Did you all go away and listen to that? 156 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:10.500 Obviously boned up on it. 157 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:11.879 That can't be right. 158 00:10:11.940 --> 00:10:12.899 That's set beforehand. 159 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.960 Why would anybody listen to the Ghost of Inspace? 160 00:10:16.019 --> 00:10:18.480 It's almost like someone on this podcast recommend it? 161 00:10:19.259 --> 00:10:21.659 There are a lot of Scottish things here. 162 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:22.860 You know what I mean? 163 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:24.000 So we recreate it. 164 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:25.200 I'm wearing tartan as we speak. 165 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:25.980 So it's weird. 166 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:31.139 We recreate the opening moment of the sea devils, don't we? 167 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.539 Only with a with a oil rig. 168 00:10:33.659 --> 00:10:40.740 And infinitely superior music from the wonderful pen and conductor's baton of Jeffrey Burton. 169 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.799 Thanks for signing Jeffrey Bergen, because that's the reason this story ultimately works. 170 00:10:43.860 --> 00:10:47.399 The costumes are beautiful, but the music is everything. and look at seeds of doom again. 171 00:10:47.460 --> 00:10:50.159 Canfield and Bergen are a winning combo, aren't they? 172 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:52.379 And we have to thank for this. 173 00:10:52.440 --> 00:11:00.960 The old 1960s misunderstanding between Dougie Canfield and Dudley Simpson, meaning Canfield never wanted to work with Simpson again and thus didn't. 174 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:02.340 They realised there was a reason. 175 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.080 I thought he just wanted to put his own texture. 176 00:11:04.139 --> 00:11:04.860 No, no. 177 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:09.840 Apparently, apparently there was a dinner party after Planet of Giants because that was the thing that the 2 of them worked on. 178 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.259 I believe they did also work on the crusade as well. 179 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:14.039 Oh okay. 180 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:21.000 But they had a dinner party and I think Canfield asked Simpson how much he how much money he made. 181 00:11:21.059 --> 00:11:26.759 I think it was, it was a bit more presumptuous on Campfield's part. 182 00:11:26.820 --> 00:11:27.419 Apparently. 183 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:29.340 Yes, he did ask Dudley how much do you make? 184 00:11:29.340 --> 00:11:30.600 And Dudley said, oh, I make this much. 185 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:32.220 But then he asked Sudley, where do you live? 186 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:35.340 And Camfield thought, well, that's a very expensive area of London. 187 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:43.500 He's either lied to me about his wage or he's come he's come across the money in some other way and I don't deal with people who are dishonest. 188 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:50.759 And it turned out to be something like Dudley or his wife had inherited the house or inherited some money to buy the house. 189 00:11:50.820 --> 00:11:59.879 So, you know, there was nothing untoward going on at all, but for some reason that really got Dougie's backup, possibly because, you know, he was a very straight down the line, ex-military man. 190 00:11:59.940 --> 00:12:05.100 Yeah, but I think also part of Canfield's brilliance and his curmudgeonliness is his very short temper. 191 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:09.659 So that's why he was able to cut through the dross very quickly and get things done. 192 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:17.460 It also meant he his decision was the only one where there was any truth, which also made perhaps not the easiest of guests to deal with. 193 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:18.899 But he and Tom got on very well. 194 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:20.519 I mean, quite similar. 195 00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:22.320 Tom is very... 196 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:27.240 Yeah, but that later on, that might not have been the way when there was no Philip Hinchcliffe to keep Tom in his box. 197 00:12:27.299 --> 00:12:27.960 Yes. 198 00:12:28.019 --> 00:12:29.940 As we'll get to later on. 199 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.299 I really can't go past the Duke of Fogel and Broton. 200 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:40.559 And I honestly believe, Nathan, you were saying earlier, that there is no Duke of Fogel. just broton mincing about all the time having a lovely time. 201 00:12:40.620 --> 00:12:41.519 Right, from the very beginning. 202 00:12:41.580 --> 00:12:46.080 It's very clear that it's because remember Angus McCrannold. 203 00:12:46.139 --> 00:12:47.639 I'm not going to do that again. 204 00:12:48.299 --> 00:12:54.840 Who is the terribly camp landlord of the Fox Inn, isn't it? 205 00:12:54.899 --> 00:12:58.200 Hello, fox. that so much. 206 00:12:58.259 --> 00:12:59.700 That's been shot. 207 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:03.480 They really should they should have really had their own little spinoff series, shouldn't they? 208 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:13.440 with Broton and Angus running and the cable in the fox in, running their own painting and decorating business from polishing up the eyeballs. 209 00:13:13.500 --> 00:13:20.279 Despite the fact he doesn't have a boyfriend in this one, like he did on the Ice Warriors, he's still as campus ever, and he's wonderful. 210 00:13:20.340 --> 00:13:23.639 Campus Garrison lactic outlets, yeah. 211 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:25.259 Oh, more of that light. 212 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:32.220 Yeah, because he's already delivered the stag's head, the bugged stag's head to the fox. 213 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:33.179 Yes. 214 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.539 So he's been he has been brought on for a long time. 215 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.659 But he is just hilarious. 216 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.059 And, you know, like, why does he pick them up in the car? 217 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:44.100 You know, I think he drove up. 218 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:48.840 He comes over to pick a fight with Mr. Huckleham to deliver some valuable exposition, I think. 219 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:53.519 But otherwise, you know, he's just gone. 220 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:54.539 In the shape of a haggis. 221 00:13:55.379 --> 00:13:57.840 And we have a haggis mention. 222 00:13:57.899 --> 00:14:00.059 We even do in the 1st thing. 223 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:05.580 So the 1st thing the guy talks about haggis, he says Disney can instead of doesn't know. 224 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.899 You know, we've got Angus Rennie playing the bagpipes upstairs. 225 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:12.240 You've got the brigadier in a kilt. 226 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:17.220 You know, it's it's, I mean, it is a kind of ludicrous theme park version of Scotland. 227 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:20.399 Well, we've done it to the Welsh, haven't we? 228 00:14:20.460 --> 00:14:20.940 We have. 229 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.700 With the Welsh, it was a bit more insulting because... 230 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:24.840 Nobody respects them anyway. 231 00:14:24.899 --> 00:14:25.860 Well, no. 232 00:14:25.860 --> 00:14:30.120 It's kind of what was coming across. about redheads again, I'm leaving. 233 00:14:30.779 --> 00:14:36.480 I think I think because there were real political concerns and political issues that were addressed in the group. 234 00:14:36.539 --> 00:14:39.120 There certainly were, but there certainly were in Scotland at the time as well. 235 00:14:39.179 --> 00:14:57.539 The North Sea gas and oil, where they were talking about separation, just as they have done this year, and it was, and part of that in the Scottish Parliament was how the dramas and how the stuff we get on Scottish TV for our children completely dissembles and makes fun of Scotland, and then this goes out. 236 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:04.799 But I do think it's only very, vaguely political in a way that Green Death wasn't Green Death. 237 00:15:04.860 --> 00:15:07.379 Green Death was very definitely political. 238 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.940 The kind of theme parkness of the Scotland isn't quite. not a lot of politics in history. 239 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:15.179 Although there is world ecology, just as there was in Green Death, same thing. 240 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:16.139 Yeah, yeah. 241 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:26.159 And we even get the doctor giving us the environmental moral of the story in the 1st episode where he chastises the brigadier for calling him back to deal with an emergency oil, an emergency. 242 00:15:26.220 --> 00:15:30.360 You need to stop powering your planet with a mineral slide, but there's your emergency. 243 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:32.460 Start looking at hydrogen dimension in this one. 244 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.080 No, no, he will mention next story. 245 00:15:34.139 --> 00:15:35.340 He'll mention an alternative. 246 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:36.779 Oh, it actually does mention that. 247 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:41.399 I think he mentions hydrogen because that's been in the news this year as well. something that may well be. 248 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:49.320 And just this morning, I watched the last in the current run of the new Thunderbirds ago, which featured the Supreme Hadron Collider. 249 00:15:49.379 --> 00:15:52.860 Wow, it's gone from large... 250 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:54.960 Isn't that just Diana Ross's new readers? 251 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:59.700 Diana Ross is a nuclear physicist. 252 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:01.320 Danger in Cincinnati. 253 00:16:01.379 --> 00:16:03.539 It'll be a chain reaction if you don't watch it. 254 00:16:04.740 --> 00:16:13.080 Oh, usually we only get this far off topic if there's nothing to talk about in the story, but I think this story just has so much. 255 00:16:13.139 --> 00:16:14.399 It's so big, this is the thing. 256 00:16:14.460 --> 00:16:15.899 Yeah, well, let's let's go back. 257 00:16:15.899 --> 00:16:17.639 Let's do your checklist. 258 00:16:17.700 --> 00:16:19.740 I don't have a checklist this time. 259 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.139 It's not Terry Nation then. one coming up. 260 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.799 But let's look, because we do get hints of the aliens already. 261 00:16:25.860 --> 00:16:31.559 So we don't we get the normal F1 end of episode one alien reveal where we actually see... 262 00:16:31.620 --> 00:16:33.600 Yeah, and for once it's incredibly effective. 263 00:16:33.659 --> 00:16:37.919 I think it's more effective than when the Daleks turn up because we don't know what a Zygon looks like. 264 00:16:37.980 --> 00:16:40.019 We've had a few hints and grabs in there. 265 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.860 And also it's attacking Sarah, so there's a cliffhanger moment. 266 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:51.419 It zooms in on its face, the face is for human expectations, the face is underdeveloped and malformed. 267 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:59.220 It's an incredibly effective cliffhanger using the old Doctor Who trope of let's reveal the monster at the end of episode one. 268 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:00.600 It is really effective. 269 00:17:00.659 --> 00:17:02.820 And of course, it's beautifully shot by Dougie Campfield. 270 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:12.059 But in the lead up to that, we actually see that the inn is being bugged and so you get a sort of stag head eye view of what's going on in the Fox Inn. 271 00:17:12.059 --> 00:17:15.059 And you get the hands manipulating the controls. 272 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:25.799 And I have a Doctor Who club at school and we watch this a little while ago and the kids just roared with laughter at these rubbery hands manipulating the controls. 273 00:17:25.859 --> 00:17:28.619 It really is just incredibly rude looking. 274 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:30.900 How did they respond when Tom got to it? 275 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.779 There's nothing of it that's real love right there. 276 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:34.859 Yeah, yeah. 277 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:35.819 And you know what? 278 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:42.599 It looks like when he's performing that scene that Tom actually hasn't seen the console before because the smiley gets through his face. 279 00:17:42.660 --> 00:17:43.740 I don't think that's the doctor. 280 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.200 That's Tom's only going, hold on. 281 00:17:46.259 --> 00:17:48.000 This looks like, okay, keep it together. 282 00:17:48.059 --> 00:17:48.900 I'll keep it. 283 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:50.759 Oh, I'm having so much fun. 284 00:17:52.259 --> 00:17:55.259 I'm never ordering pizza marinara. 285 00:17:55.740 --> 00:17:58.259 And of course, that end of episode one. 286 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:08.519 Cliffhanger takes place in the hospital because Harry has been shot because by Nurse Ratchet from one flew over the cooker's nest with a Scottish accent, same difference. 287 00:18:08.579 --> 00:18:10.799 It's the same part, isn't it? 288 00:18:10.859 --> 00:18:11.460 Just the same actress. 289 00:18:11.579 --> 00:18:16.079 And we don't quite know why he's he turns up. pretty brutal though. 290 00:18:16.140 --> 00:18:27.000 In fact, there's some really beautiful direction there because the 1st guy who was complaining about the haggis on the oil rig, stumbles up the beach, and it's just absolutely beautifully shot. 291 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.660 Because it's directly lifted from the Avengers story, the town of the return. 292 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:31.380 No return. 293 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:32.519 I was just gonna say that, yeah. 294 00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:34.619 Does Campfield ever direct for the Avengers? 295 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:36.359 Yes, he does. you sure he does? 296 00:18:36.420 --> 00:18:39.900 I thought he did on the manager of Surrey Green. 297 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:41.579 That's not that's not Duggee. 298 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.299 Yes, that does look a gorgeous thing when they come up from the beach. 299 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:52.680 But that's also been in other films, lots of World War 2 films where there was an obsession about spies coming in from the watery deeps, if not the cold. 300 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.220 It's just beautifully lit, like spectacularly lit. 301 00:18:56.279 --> 00:19:05.819 That guy gets shot dead and then Harry gets shot and he gets captured by the fabulously scary sister lamb. 302 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:07.259 And then he could... 303 00:19:07.259 --> 00:19:09.000 I think she's scarier than Nurse Raction. 304 00:19:09.059 --> 00:19:13.440 I think she's the scariest thing to have ever been in Doctor Who. at any time before or since. 305 00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:15.119 She's really great in episode. 306 00:19:15.180 --> 00:19:16.140 I think it's episode three. 307 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:18.660 That bed pan would be full of ice cubes. 308 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:20.400 You just know it. 309 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.700 Yes, the sheep. 310 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:27.660 I'm not changing our sheets again, Mr. Sullivan. 311 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:29.819 You've been a very nut tipper. 312 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:32.160 Oh, you do that so well. 313 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:35.279 I don't think that would have been his response. 314 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:43.500 Harry gets taken down to the spaceship and given just the most incredible guide and tour, I hope. 315 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:44.160 Yes, yes. 316 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:45.240 Even if I jumping. 317 00:19:45.299 --> 00:19:47.700 We don't, we don't talk and get visitors in here. 318 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:49.440 Don't forget exchange, then here. 319 00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:56.759 Yeah, so everything shows him how to change people into other people, shows him the scarrison, explains about the lactic fluid. 320 00:19:56.819 --> 00:19:59.640 So do you like what we've done with the war? 321 00:19:59.700 --> 00:20:02.579 I think the lactic fluid is worth mentioning. 322 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:04.680 I think yes, a bit too much. 323 00:20:04.740 --> 00:20:06.720 What did they live on before they got to? 324 00:20:06.779 --> 00:20:10.079 Because you know it was a little embryo when they like it. were they living on? 325 00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:11.460 Well, I think they probably had 600. 326 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:12.720 Is it like Yakut? 327 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.480 of lactic fluid or fridge? 328 00:20:15.539 --> 00:20:16.859 Or powdered... 329 00:20:16.859 --> 00:20:19.680 Powdered... 330 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:21.900 Powdered scarrots and lactic fluids. 331 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:29.579 But he does mention that I'd like to think it's bonded polycarbide armour, but we don't actually know other than that's not the Scarrison's native form. 332 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:31.200 It's been armoured as a weapon. 333 00:20:31.259 --> 00:20:36.720 So I'd like to think it's just a lovely, big, never-ending story dragon puppy type of affair. 334 00:20:36.779 --> 00:20:44.099 So I'm going to put something in the show notes, which is from the TARDIS index file, from BBC America. 335 00:20:44.099 --> 00:20:57.359 And if you look up the Zygons, it actually shows a picture of the Scarrison, sort of coming along a conveyor belt and being milked into milk. the galaxy star. 336 00:20:57.420 --> 00:20:58.559 Stop motion, though. 337 00:20:58.619 --> 00:21:03.779 No, no, it's like that animation from hitchhiker, it's because it's like a... 338 00:21:03.779 --> 00:21:04.619 It's really great. 339 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:06.960 So I will put that in the show. 340 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:10.559 I will also say that in the later big finish story. 341 00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:21.539 The Zigon who fell to Earth, there is another Scarrison. and Tim Brooke Taylor, it plays his Zigon called Mims, and it's his job to milk the Scarrison. 342 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:22.500 Brilliant. 343 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:24.000 Now, is there only a truth in that? 344 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:24.779 The mink gloves. 345 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:25.980 You've got to be terribly careful. 346 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:34.440 Is there any truth in the room, Brendan, that you used Scarrison lactic fluid in the creation of this month's baked good? 347 00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:35.579 I did indeed. 348 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:36.359 I did indeed. 349 00:21:36.420 --> 00:21:43.079 Dear listener, you will find on the website the recipe for Zygon, carrot and apple muffins. 350 00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:47.519 It really did look like you were heaving into a zybron breastplate. 351 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:51.660 Extraordinary thing and quite beautiful and yes, I can recommend them. 352 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:53.279 Highly, okay. 353 00:21:54.420 --> 00:21:57.839 I'm trying to work out what the Zygon Stinger. 354 00:21:57.900 --> 00:22:12.240 You know, these costumes were even better, but they are very glam rock, you know, pedal pushing little things, and they're gorgeous little Capri, latex, skinny tight jeans and cork on my high plum salts. 355 00:22:12.299 --> 00:22:14.099 But then with the huge gorgeous head. 356 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:20.519 But no, they, when they, they were going to light up the cerebellum and the chest cavity was going to light up when they used their stinger. 357 00:22:20.579 --> 00:22:28.680 And it's such a shame we never got to see their stinger, partly A, because it caused too much heating up and B, they found the effect to be unworkable. 358 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:30.960 So why was it unworkable? 359 00:22:31.019 --> 00:22:33.779 Because the stinger looked like a penis. 360 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.559 Well, all they had to stop them in cursing. 361 00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:40.079 All they had to do was wrap it in a clue. 362 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:47.759 Because everyone knows that if you have a monster that looks like a penis, just wrap it in a cloak and now it looks like a penis in a cloak. 363 00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:48.660 Problem solved. 364 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:53.460 In amongst all this exposition we get, of course, we get the Trilantic activator. 365 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:55.680 And while we're, you know, pitching at fair. 366 00:22:55.799 --> 00:23:01.380 Is that the thing that sucks under, that's like a champagne cook that sucks onto your wrist and can crawl around the table like a Romy chest? 367 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:01.740 It does. 368 00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:06.720 So what they've been doing is somehow they've been attaching it to oil rigs where it emits... 369 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:07.859 It emits. 370 00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:09.599 Wow, amazing signal. 371 00:23:09.660 --> 00:23:15.119 And so the scarrison comes along and humps the leg of the oil brick until you... 372 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:16.200 And choose it to death. 373 00:23:16.259 --> 00:23:18.480 I don't think I want to go on a date with this car. 374 00:23:18.539 --> 00:23:23.160 Well, yeah, aquatic creatures have some very strange mating rituals. 375 00:23:23.220 --> 00:23:33.240 There is a type of octopus, for instance. where the male tears off its penis and hurls it at the female who inseminates herself. 376 00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:35.160 I think we saw that in the state of origin. 377 00:23:36.660 --> 00:23:40.079 I believe that I believe that was the cleanest, most scientific way I could put it. 378 00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:41.579 Poor bloody Scarrison, though. 379 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:46.019 It's the only one on earth, unless we take into account the one that Big Finish later puts in. 380 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:50.759 And every time it thinks it's going for a day, it ends up with this anorexic oil rig. 381 00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:51.839 You know. 382 00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:54.480 It just gets covered in oil afterwards. 383 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.740 A date with an oleaginous Gwyneth Paltrow. 384 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:00.359 I'm never going to turn out well, is it? 385 00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:11.579 I have a terrible soft spot for this garrison because just like those puppets in the late sort of per Tui era, they all seem to be made out of sort of fox heads or terrier heads or something. 386 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:13.140 This one has real teeth, doesn't it? 387 00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:18.539 It has real teeth. real sort of crazy rolling eyes and it just looks like my dog Gracie. 388 00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:21.599 And her podcasting debut on that trusty doctor episode. 389 00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:22.799 Yes, yes. 390 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:24.720 It is like a little stop motion grace. 391 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:27.599 It's a shaved Mr. Snuffleopagus, isn't it, really? 392 00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:28.559 The way it walks as well. 393 00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:33.240 Yeah, see a lot of people kind of look at that and say, oh, no one makes fun of that. 394 00:24:33.299 --> 00:24:36.480 Why does everyone make fun of the dinosaurs in invasion of dinosaurs? 395 00:24:36.539 --> 00:24:39.660 And one, people do make fun of the scarous animal stop motion. 396 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:43.140 But I think the reason it doesn't come in for as much criticism is. 397 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:46.440 They learned from the mistake of the dinosaurs. 398 00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:50.460 And the dinosaurs were pretty poor puppets, whereas this is halfway decent stop motion. 399 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:52.500 It's actually very good stock motion. 400 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:54.660 They just didn't have the time to do stop motion properly. 401 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:56.339 It's a really nicely done effect. 402 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.000 You know, if you don't have Harry Hausen, it's bloody good. 403 00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:08.039 In episode 4, it is just a puppet and they throw the last Trilantic activator into its mouth. and it chews really sort of dismally. 404 00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:16.500 And you really do expect Tim Brooke Taylor to come down the Grand Garden of Bilotti in a weather balloon dressed as squid. 405 00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:20.579 Now I want to see the scarrison versus kitten. 406 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:23.640 Rod and I have been making our way through the Godzillas again on Blu-ray. 407 00:25:23.700 --> 00:25:25.259 So, yeah, there's a fight I want to see. 408 00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:26.519 That be amazing. 409 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.059 Atop the post office tower. 410 00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:31.920 Botan doing voiceovers. 411 00:25:31.980 --> 00:25:35.279 In fact, that scene, and we're kind of leaping ahead to episode 4 here a bit. 412 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:37.980 That scene where it appears in the World Energy Conference. 413 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:51.779 It appears in front of the photograph of just the most dismal London office buildings by Thames in Banquet, and it just looks like just every aspect of the scene looks so appallingly bad, and I just couldn't stop smiling. 414 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.460 It was like the dinosaurs. 415 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.140 Hello, Sue Tech. 416 00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:59.460 No, your story's not from... 417 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.359 It was like the dinosaurs in invasion of the dinosaurs. 418 00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:04.440 I just love that so much. 419 00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:06.779 I don't care that it's a terrible effect at all. 420 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:08.819 Neither does Su Tech. that's right. 421 00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:14.279 And floating above the moor now, it sounds like someone's coming in and they're bubble. 422 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.700 I thought it was just the telly playing up again. 423 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:19.859 Why have we got it held up from the ceiling like that? 424 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.380 You can never adjust the horizontal mould. 425 00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:24.299 Hi guys. 426 00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:36.240 And so at the end of this story, we say goodbye to Harry was Harry Sullivan's potential fulfilled, or was it the right time for the character to be written out? 427 00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:40.619 My space time bubble seems to be passing through some sort of strange matter. 428 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.079 Maybe antimatter. 429 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:46.559 I guess I'll see you guys on the other side. 430 00:26:46.619 --> 00:26:48.180 Evil Harry. 431 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:49.380 Evil Harry. 432 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:50.819 Yeah, we get this one. 433 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:52.380 What of Demi Harry's birthday last year? 434 00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:53.700 Really? 435 00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:55.319 She looks really good in this one, didn't she? 436 00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:59.039 Ian Marta getting a chance to be evil. 437 00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:02.039 This is also Ian Martin's last story as a regular. 438 00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:07.200 And I think this story is the biggest one that proves we could have easily kept him on. 439 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:16.200 I know he was brought in to be the muscle, but because of his quality as an actor, He really rises above that and we could, and we could have kept him. 440 00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:20.339 And the rapport with Tom as well as with Liz, it's a perfect triumvirate. 441 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.140 Normally threesomes on screen. 442 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:28.440 Don't tend to work out that well, whether it's why, again, the Avengers, you just have a man and a woman in most of those series. 443 00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:31.559 But the 3 part, 300 game is perfect. 444 00:27:31.619 --> 00:27:35.279 You know who was really pushing to keep him and wanted him to stay in the series. 445 00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:36.359 Douglas Canfield. 446 00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:38.039 And do you know who kept insisting? 447 00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:40.019 Not once, not twice, but exactly. 448 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:43.920 Three knocks. 3 times he had the chance. 3 times he said, no, no, no. 449 00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:47.880 And he's the 1st one to come now and say, I really wish we'd kept him on. 450 00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:54.299 Don't you love, right at the end, and sorry to jump forward, but it's much like we do on this with this story as well. 451 00:27:54.359 --> 00:28:00.960 So yes, they've seen the monster off at World ecology HQ or, you know, BBC television centre beside the Thames. 452 00:28:01.019 --> 00:28:10.740 Isn't it the same point of focus that Janet Fielding finally says you can all bugger off at the end of resurrection, resuscitation, genuflection. 453 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:11.759 No, it is a different location. 454 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:14.099 It just feels the same gray, miserable 70s. 455 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.579 We forget how miserable 70s London was, but watch Doctor Who. 456 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:25.140 And then they all hot footed up on the train, no less, because we know what a unit budget is just to see the doctor off in Scotland. 457 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:26.700 Okay, the Duke of Fogel's got to go home. 458 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:28.619 Although somehow, where's he being all this time? 459 00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:36.180 But the brigadier and Harry and Sarah all go up with the doctor just I suppose just to see the doctor off because the TARDIS is up there. 460 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.380 At what point does Harry decide there's no way I'm ever going back again? 461 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.880 Is it one she's got his old clover on? 462 00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:43.500 So I'm never going back. 463 00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:44.880 Does he wear his? 464 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:45.660 Yeah, yeah, he's lucky. 465 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:46.559 He's back in full dress. 466 00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:47.940 He's back in his full drag. 467 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.740 This is no doctor. be catching the train. 468 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.140 And I just think that's such a shame. 469 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.180 If the brig, because the brig was offered as well. 470 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:59.940 If the brig and Harry had stuck around, they soon would have made mincemeat out of his old Su Tech, wouldn't they? 471 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:01.200 It's only been one episode long. 472 00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:04.500 The brigadier went and got other work, didn't he? 473 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:09.779 He thought that he was pretty much over because remember this is the last story of season 12, really. 474 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:10.500 That's right. 475 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:15.900 So this is his 2nd story of the year. like he's been doing the last couple of times. 476 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:20.460 He's been doing that since sort of season 9 where unit stories top and tail the thing. 477 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:29.940 I still think that it's strange that Sarah decides to get back in the Tartar after the horrendous time that she's had in season 12. not making a lot of sense. 478 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.460 But she clearly loves the doctor and that's it. 479 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:38.519 You know, and he looks a bit forlorn when she says that she's not going to go with him. 480 00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:40.859 And so, you know, she decides to do that. 481 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:46.559 I also think this is a much better story for Sarah than the last three. 482 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:48.359 She's a lot more proactive. 483 00:29:48.420 --> 00:29:49.680 She gets a lot more to do. 484 00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:52.500 She gets a few heroic moments as well. 485 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.019 I think it's just a bit less horrendous too. 486 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.599 I think that the present-day earth unit thing. 487 00:29:57.660 --> 00:30:01.140 I don't know whether Holmes is sort of pulling back. 488 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:02.819 There's fewer Nazis in it. 489 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:08.279 You know, there's less torture. you know, like it's just generally a little bit more fun than what we've been having. 490 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:09.180 Yeah. 491 00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.019 The thing I really, really love about Sarah in this story. 492 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.240 And I only noticed it the last time I watched it. 493 00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:23.759 When Evil Harry turns up and takes the Trilantic activator... 494 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:33.660 When Evil Harry takes up and turns up and takes the Trilantic activator and Sarah goes after him, it's Sarah leading Sergeant Benton and the unit troops. 495 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:34.920 I love that scene. 496 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:36.240 Yeah, come on, and they run after it. 497 00:30:36.299 --> 00:30:37.140 Yeah, exactly. 498 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:46.440 It's like that scene in the new series where Eccleston is facing down all the army blokes and they hear a scream and he's like, defence patent, tell them, move, move, move, and they all fall in behind. 499 00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:52.019 They all fall in behind Sarah, which is amazing and it's shot so well by Campfield as well. 500 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.460 Everyone's running towards the camera. 501 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:54.180 It's comic book. 502 00:30:54.240 --> 00:31:00.359 It's dynamic, but it's also restrengthening Sarah's character after she has been poorly treated the last few stories. 503 00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:03.839 Well, thank goodness that will never happen again. 504 00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:12.660 I actually think Harry's pretty sidelined here apart from getting to be evil, Harry, because he is shot in episode one and he really only rejoins them in episode four. 505 00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:21.119 And, you know, I was thinking, that's never happened to a Doctor Who companion before, but it's happened in a Camfield story, it happened to Jamie. 506 00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:23.039 Jamie gets shot at the end of the invasion. 507 00:31:23.099 --> 00:31:36.240 Oh, he has like a whole episode off or 2 episodes, or the rest of the story off. get shot in episode 7 and yeah, only gets shown in a film sequence of episode 8 because Fraser had a week off. 508 00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:41.160 Canfield kind of likes killing or maiming the regular cast. 509 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:42.180 I mean look at Inferno. 510 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:51.420 I do think it is a little bit of a shame not to mention Sandra again, given that I think that he has the best way of understanding Broton and Broton's plan. 511 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:56.640 So Broton's plan is to take over the world by disrupting the world energy conference. 512 00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:58.500 Stanbridge House. 513 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.319 And he does that by just being a bond villain. 514 00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:30.900 He thinks that the way to take over the world, he's clearly been watching the Bond films on television during his time under the loch, and he's decided that the best way of taking over the world is to be sort of terribly suave, um, to dress very nicely, to look superficially helpful and charming, but really to have, you know, a secret, a secret tunnel in your study that's operated by moving a book, uh, and then, and then to, uh, you know, deviously uh, arrange to blow up an entire building in London. 515 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:32.339 So it's a crummy plan. 516 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.299 You know what I mean? 517 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:44.759 I'd like to think that like Vivian Faye, and we don't see all the other portraits of the previous dukes, but I would like to think that it's actually just been brought on all these 700 years, which doesn't seem to count for much. 518 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:53.940 I mean, it's really, well, I sort of built that, you know, that, again, the crummy revolving young Frankenstein bookcase and the whole, the whole setup. 519 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.680 No, no, it's just been him the whole time. 520 00:32:55.740 --> 00:32:57.960 Why else would he want to announce? 521 00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:09.000 He's so subtle and so, um, so careful and with how they secrete themselves and yet he wants to look. look, it's a monster and announce themselves to a world of colleague. a world ecology get together. 522 00:33:09.059 --> 00:33:09.960 He really does. 523 00:33:10.019 --> 00:33:13.440 I think move into his part a bit too much. 524 00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:16.259 He does believe that I think he was actually going to ruin the world at all. 525 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:20.339 I think Mike Yates would have been right up there with him, waving a tentacle from the balcony. 526 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:21.960 Yeah, I think. 527 00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:27.299 And I think possibly his favourite Bond film would be the spy who loved me because there's lots of aquatic action in it. 528 00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:29.640 Not fun to ball, because it's just silly. 529 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.079 No, not fun. 530 00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:33.539 Stromberg is a kind of terrible bond villain. 531 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:34.500 Yeah, Stromberg is pretty bad. 532 00:33:34.619 --> 00:33:35.279 Yeah. 533 00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:37.019 He won't even shake tentacles. 534 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:43.500 And you know, come to think of it, around this time, being that this story is set in 1980 or 1981. 535 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:49.440 So we just had Moonraker and for your eyes only is hot on its heels. 536 00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:51.720 Why could we be dropping all these bond references? 537 00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:52.140 don't know. 538 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:59.640 I can't begin to say how good this is other than, if you haven't seen it, Please don't be led by this podcast. 539 00:33:59.700 --> 00:34:00.180 Just watch it. 540 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.339 And if it's been terribly confusing. 541 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.200 You won't be confused by watching it itself. 542 00:34:04.259 --> 00:34:05.700 It makes a lot more sense than we do. 543 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:09.179 And I'm sure Richard will heartily approve of this. 544 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:14.639 This is one of the target novels which has been recently reprinted by BBC books. 545 00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:23.639 Unfortunately, they have modified the original cover, the original cover, looks rather like a Looney Tunes cartoon with the doctor's face in the middle of concentric, colourful circles. 546 00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:26.099 Good will. with a huge target. 547 00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.420 Right here, somewhere too. 548 00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:28.079 Yes. 549 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.659 But yeah, do track it down if you can. 550 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:48.900 Well, dear listeners, we could go on about this story for at least another 26 episodes, but that's all the time we have today for Terror of the Zygons. 551 00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:56.699 We will be back next week to discuss what is regarded as one of the classics of the Hindecliff era, if not Doctor Who overall. 552 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.679 No, we're doing Planet of Evil next week. 553 00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:01.260 Oh, damn, I always get these story orders mixed up. 554 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:02.460 I thought we were on Pyramids of Mars. 555 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.619 No, it is Planet of Evil next week, and you know what that means? 556 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:05.820 Chest hair. 557 00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:10.199 It's chest hair and it's it's Paul Morrow. 558 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.559 And it's, oh, God, please, please just come back. 559 00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:15.539 Come back, everyone for that. jungles. 560 00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:16.440 It's got jungles. 561 00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:18.840 If nothing else, it's got jungle. 562 00:35:18.900 --> 00:35:19.980 So please do come back. 563 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:26.639 Do check us out on Twitter, FTE podcast, flight through entirety.com, and flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes. 564 00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:28.199 So you know what I'm going to mention at this point. 565 00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:31.019 Please review us on iTunes because I'm incredibly needy. 566 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.199 But until then, thank you very much for listening and good night. 567 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:34.980 Good night. 568 00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:35.400 Good night. 569 00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:37.619 I promise we'll get better if you review us, I promise. 570 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.119 It's fun doing that. 571 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:51.239 This Amazon, this is our motherfuckers. 572 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.480 It's recorded on July 5th. 573 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:59.400 The next episode will be released on August 2nd. 574 00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:06.840 Actually, I haven't tested myself yet. 575 00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:07.320 How am I? 576 00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:07.860 How am I? 577 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:08.280 How am I? 578 00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:08.820 I'm okay. 579 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:09.360 All right. 580 00:36:09.420 --> 00:36:10.260 Am I okay? 581 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.880 Um... am I on? 582 00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:16.079 You are not on. 583 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:17.699 Oh, that could have been bad. 584 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:18.780 Okay, go again. 585 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:20.519 And here we are. 586 00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:26.340 Welcome back to Flight through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast. where I don't get to say this thing. 587 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.860 Very radio, isn't it? 588 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:37.139 We shall release the doctor now, commentary on bondfinger.com on August first.