WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 14:45:58 1 00:00:28.500 --> 00:00:32.700 Hello and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor 2 00:00:32.700 --> 00:00:36.539 Who podcast whose flames are enhanced by powdered rime weed. 3 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:37.320 I'm Brendan. 4 00:00:37.380 --> 00:00:38.100 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:42.000 And I'm a lovely Victoria Sponge, atop Cynthia Grenville's Bons. 6 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:45.119 She is wearing a cake. 7 00:00:45.179 --> 00:00:47.159 She is very okay. 8 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:52.200 As we head down deep powered to the planet of Khan for the brain 9 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:53.399 of Morbius. 10 00:00:59.460 --> 00:01:01.799 So can I talk ancient history? 11 00:01:01.859 --> 00:01:08.099 Richard and I, of course, uh, well, you know, went from 1980 and 12 00:01:08.099 --> 00:01:09.480 uh, several months. 13 00:01:09.540 --> 00:01:13.019 We didn't get to see this for a long time. 14 00:01:13.019 --> 00:01:16.620 They used to strip Doctor Who at 6.30 on the ABC, as you all know 15 00:01:16.620 --> 00:01:18.959 and everything was repeated over. like minky wallpaper. 16 00:01:19.019 --> 00:01:23.219 And that continued well, you know, the late 80s. 17 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.019 Sylvester McCoy's first run. 18 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.540 I think from... 19 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:28.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 20 00:01:28.260 --> 00:01:30.840 After Inspector Gadget, I see what you recall. 21 00:01:30.900 --> 00:01:32.099 So this was 6.30. 22 00:01:32.340 --> 00:01:34.500 It would be the goodies and then Doctor Who, essentially, or Kenny 23 00:01:34.500 --> 00:01:35.579 over it and then Doctor Who. 24 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.700 And they would screen season 13, but they would always skip this 25 00:01:38.700 --> 00:01:41.340 one on the grounds that it was just too violent. 26 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.939 It was given an A rating by Australian census and that was 27 00:01:44.939 --> 00:01:45.719 adults. 28 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:50.579 Interestingly enough, episode one, which features the beheading 29 00:01:50.579 --> 00:01:55.620 and the screaming, didn't receive the A-Ration, but every other 30 00:01:55.620 --> 00:01:56.099 episode did. 31 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.700 Episode one could have been screened in its entirety, even with 32 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:00.780 insect decapitation. 33 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.760 Kids love beheadings, you know. 34 00:02:03.659 --> 00:02:05.159 So eventually we did get to see it. 35 00:02:05.219 --> 00:02:06.299 I've looked this up. 36 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.120 It was on the 24th of January 1980. 37 00:02:09.300 --> 00:02:11.460 It was screened, I think, at 9 o'clock at night. 38 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:12.599 I thought it was 9.30. 39 00:02:12.780 --> 00:02:15.360 Oh, it could have been 9.30. to stay up terribly late. 40 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:18.120 Yeah, no, I had to stay out very late and my mother didn't want me 41 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.539 to watch it and she told my father that he had to sit with me to 42 00:02:21.539 --> 00:02:24.120 ensure that it didn't become too scary or violent. 43 00:02:24.180 --> 00:02:29.099 And it was a 60 minute cut together version, which apparently left 44 00:02:29.099 --> 00:02:30.960 out, some of the really horrible bits. 45 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:34.319 I can't really remember, but it still got an A rating. 46 00:02:34.379 --> 00:02:36.780 And I think my father decided 5 minutes in that the whole thing 47 00:02:36.780 --> 00:02:39.360 was too boring and silly and stopped paying attention to it. 48 00:02:39.419 --> 00:02:40.919 So I got to watch it all the way through. 49 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:45.180 I did watch it all the way through, but I think I was with your 50 00:02:45.180 --> 00:02:46.740 father after the 1st 5 minutes. 51 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:50.219 So, tonally, it just never... anyway, it didn't click for me in 52 00:02:50.219 --> 00:02:51.180 the cutdown version. 53 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:52.259 It felt out of place. 54 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.139 And at the time, I thought, oh, this is simply because we've come 55 00:02:55.139 --> 00:02:55.860 to it so late. 56 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:57.479 You know, we've moved on. 57 00:02:57.539 --> 00:02:59.699 We're about to get a new doctor-ish. 58 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:01.560 You know, we were just about to start. 59 00:03:01.620 --> 00:03:05.580 Well, actually, it was Tom's last season with Lala that was just 60 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:07.740 about to be broadcast in Australia that year. 61 00:03:07.740 --> 00:03:10.740 So we didn't know that Tom was moving on, but he'd certainly been 62 00:03:10.740 --> 00:03:12.000 there a terribly long time. 63 00:03:12.060 --> 00:03:17.099 And hadn't he just done a tour of Australia and done keep 64 00:03:17.099 --> 00:03:18.120 Australia beautiful? 65 00:03:18.180 --> 00:03:22.680 And yes, that was when you guys went to meet him and Nathan, you 66 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.080 got something autographed by him and Richard was right behind you 67 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.120 in the line and didn't... 68 00:03:27.180 --> 00:03:28.800 But you had no idea who each other was. 69 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.080 I didn't realise it was him until much. 70 00:03:31.139 --> 00:03:34.439 It was like the Romans episode four, you know, like I would dash 71 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.020 in and then Richard would dash in and we'd just keep missing. 72 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.539 I remember Nathan and his father in the family being there. 73 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:45.719 I just, I'm sure you still bear the psychic scars of my bail... on 74 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:46.620 the back of your neck. 75 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:48.599 Yeah, I was the very last one to miss out. only because I was 76 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:49.319 looking through the bookshop. 77 00:03:49.379 --> 00:03:51.539 I got there horribly early and thought, no one's going to turn 78 00:03:51.539 --> 00:03:51.780 up. 79 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:52.620 It's Tom Baker. 80 00:03:53.099 --> 00:03:56.039 Grace Brothers car park for Ingamore. 81 00:03:56.099 --> 00:03:57.479 Oh, the cynicism of you. 82 00:03:57.539 --> 00:03:58.860 So glad we've grown out of that one. 83 00:03:58.979 --> 00:04:00.539 I love that it wasn't even indoors. 84 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:01.439 It was in a car park. 85 00:04:01.500 --> 00:04:02.819 Yeah, yeah, rooftop car park. 86 00:04:02.819 --> 00:04:03.719 It was a roof car park. 87 00:04:03.780 --> 00:04:04.199 Yeah, yeah. 88 00:04:04.259 --> 00:04:05.219 Tom didn't want to. 89 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:08.039 He looked great and he frocked up for it and, you know, he was in 90 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:09.960 his season 17 outfit. 91 00:04:10.500 --> 00:04:14.039 He was absolutely monstrous and covered in heat pimples. 92 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:15.599 Monstrously tall. 93 00:04:15.659 --> 00:04:17.819 He's took both my hands as it held... 94 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:19.319 I gave him a Tardis I'd made. 95 00:04:19.379 --> 00:04:20.759 Oh, that's it at the end of it. 96 00:04:20.819 --> 00:04:21.839 He said, who's very lovely? 97 00:04:21.899 --> 00:04:26.160 I think he gave it to his assistant. disposed of, you know 98 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:27.120 technically. 99 00:04:27.899 --> 00:04:31.680 I'm just imagining in the divorce years later. 100 00:04:31.740 --> 00:04:33.060 No, Lala, you can have that. 101 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:35.160 There you go. 102 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:36.959 Richard Dawkins now owns your tartar. 103 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:40.920 I gave one to Davison as well, and he left it behind as well. 104 00:04:40.980 --> 00:04:44.579 So they both had to leave the series quite soon. immediately 105 00:04:44.579 --> 00:04:46.980 following, but in no way influenced by... 106 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:47.399 No, no. 107 00:04:47.459 --> 00:04:49.439 No, no, nothing to do with the menu hired. 108 00:04:49.980 --> 00:04:56.399 This story is considered one of the classics, and I believe we 109 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:59.639 have a space bubble on its way down to us being drawn in by the 110 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:00.300 energy field. 111 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:01.980 Todd has a few words to say about that. 112 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:07.319 I feel that this story, like the previous one, has some great 113 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:11.279 moments, but the overall story really doesn't quite hang 114 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:11.699 together. 115 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.060 Everyone's trying really hard, and it's great to see some female 116 00:05:15.060 --> 00:05:20.879 characters for a change, but I just think that it ultimately is 117 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.600 not as good as people make it out to be. 118 00:05:24.660 --> 00:05:26.639 Do you guys have the same experience? 119 00:05:26.699 --> 00:05:30.480 I find the beginning of this story rather horrific. 120 00:05:30.540 --> 00:05:36.420 The poor mutant climbing through, and then that horrible squeal it 121 00:05:36.420 --> 00:05:38.339 makes just before it gets stabbed. 122 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.920 Is it just taking things too far? 123 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:42.540 Is enough enough, guys? 124 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.060 Well, I've been doing a spot of gardening. 125 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:48.060 Oh, I found a couple of pods in my backyard. 126 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:49.980 I wonder what that's all about. 127 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:51.300 Probably nothing. 128 00:05:51.660 --> 00:05:56.399 Well, the horror question, that is really something quite relevant 129 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.160 for this story because it's the only doctor story in Australia 130 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:00.480 that was edited down like this. 131 00:06:00.540 --> 00:06:03.959 Indeed, the original video release, I believe, used in the 60 132 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:05.160 minute cut in America. 133 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:05.459 Yeah. 134 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:08.220 But can I just say something because it'll take no time at all 135 00:06:08.220 --> 00:06:10.019 whereas we've got lots to say about the horror. 136 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.839 But Todd's crazy about the production design. 137 00:06:12.899 --> 00:06:14.100 It's really amazing. 138 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:19.379 It's Barry Newbury, who'll come back next year to do Mask of Man 139 00:06:19.379 --> 00:06:20.040 Dragra. 140 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.680 He, but he... 141 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.600 He did lots of fabulous 60s stuff. 142 00:06:24.660 --> 00:06:27.240 He was in Dalek's master plan and things. 143 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:28.199 Marco Polo. 144 00:06:28.259 --> 00:06:29.639 Yeah, Marco Polo. 145 00:06:29.699 --> 00:06:33.540 And so these sets are really detailed and really, really 146 00:06:33.540 --> 00:06:34.319 terrific. 147 00:06:34.379 --> 00:06:38.819 The outdoor stuff looks convincing compared to that, you know 148 00:06:38.819 --> 00:06:41.579 terrible polystarine lake in Planet of Evil. 149 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.420 Well, okay, but when we say convincing, we should say BBC cod 150 00:06:45.420 --> 00:06:49.379 Shakespeare convincing because this is how I'm not denigrating 151 00:06:49.379 --> 00:06:49.560 it. 152 00:06:49.620 --> 00:06:54.839 This is how we saw theatre on television in the late 70s in the 153 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:55.439 early 80s. 154 00:06:55.500 --> 00:06:58.439 And the acting, I think, is very much informed by that. 155 00:06:58.500 --> 00:06:59.160 It's not a bad thing. 156 00:06:59.220 --> 00:06:59.759 It's a good thing. 157 00:06:59.819 --> 00:07:00.300 Yeah, yeah. 158 00:07:00.300 --> 00:07:01.019 Stylistically. 159 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.060 I mean, they're detailed sets, though. 160 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.300 No one's going to imagine that it's really an alien planet and not 161 00:07:06.300 --> 00:07:09.959 you know, studio 3 in the BBC television centre for a second. 162 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:12.360 But they're really, really well done sets. 163 00:07:12.420 --> 00:07:14.639 And I had actually thought, because I didn't really like this 164 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:15.779 before seeing it again. 165 00:07:15.899 --> 00:07:19.019 I thought originally that one of the, you know, strikes against it 166 00:07:19.019 --> 00:07:23.040 was the just the whole set bound thing, particularly after, you 167 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.399 know, the incredible, fantastic location film work on Android 168 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:26.939 Invasion. 169 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:28.439 But these sets are great. 170 00:07:28.500 --> 00:07:32.040 Sometimes it's nighttime and it's sort of gloomily lit. 171 00:07:32.100 --> 00:07:33.300 There's dry ice. 172 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:33.959 I think it's great. 173 00:07:34.019 --> 00:07:37.980 And the weird thing is, I actually think the exterior sets look 174 00:07:37.980 --> 00:07:40.620 better under the daytime lighting. 175 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.959 Now we only get one or 2 scenes like that because of course this 176 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.199 is a horror movie and horror movies are best set at night, which 177 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.779 is something I still maintain was the main problem with Jurassic 178 00:07:48.779 --> 00:07:51.300 Park 3 being entirely set during the day. 179 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:52.560 There was very little suspension. 180 00:07:52.620 --> 00:07:53.459 Pyramids of Mars. 181 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:55.379 Well, yeah, pyramids of Mars in a way. 182 00:07:55.439 --> 00:08:01.019 I mean, the one area where a horror film in Daylight Works is 183 00:08:01.019 --> 00:08:03.839 Santaran experiment, which we discussed a few weeks ago because of 184 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:05.519 course, there's nowhere to run to. 185 00:08:05.579 --> 00:08:07.019 And it's cold and winter. 186 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.899 Yes, the Dario Argente thing, the goblins running over your roof. 187 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:10.740 It's all day lit. 188 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:12.959 The setting is, Well, apparently Hinchcliffe was quite 189 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.959 disappointed because he wanted something more technical and 190 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:19.079 futuristic, and he said, I'm just stuck with James Whale. 191 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.800 James Whale, of course, was the director of the 1st 2 Universal 192 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:24.480 Horror Frankenstein films. 193 00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:27.779 Bride of Frankenstein, I think, is the better one with Boris 194 00:08:27.779 --> 00:08:31.199 Karlov being in the 1st and Elsa Manchester playing Boris Kolov in 195 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:31.620 the 2nd one. 196 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.799 But the set, the set is quite interesting. 197 00:08:34.860 --> 00:08:39.000 Newberry talks about alien tech and that it was a refinery, you 198 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.559 know, it feels a bit blade runner-ish, and it's got, um, it's got 199 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.259 flying buttresses that are actually on the inside with a ball 200 00:08:46.259 --> 00:08:50.879 joint because the tectonic movement of the planet would allow it 201 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:52.919 if, you know, if you're in... 202 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:54.720 Yeah, that's diagonal pillars. 203 00:08:54.779 --> 00:08:58.980 And you actually do use forms, you know, they don't look like that 204 00:08:58.980 --> 00:09:01.860 but you do use things like that in structure when you're trying to 205 00:09:01.860 --> 00:09:02.639 build a building. 206 00:09:02.700 --> 00:09:05.580 We put rubber cones under the Perth performing art centre, because 207 00:09:05.580 --> 00:09:07.379 it's right opposite the Horseshoe Bridge Railway. 208 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.620 So the whole of that theatre actually sits on a huge rubber zygon 209 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:11.220 spaceship. 210 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:12.539 I'm pretty excited. 211 00:09:12.659 --> 00:09:15.600 But yeah, this set is Kafka's castle, but I also like that it's 212 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.659 Barbarella's city of Sogo in the window motifs. 213 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.600 But mostly, and I'll, Brendan, I'll give you a picture. 214 00:09:21.659 --> 00:09:24.960 It's Breugel's 1563 ruin of the tower of Babel. 215 00:09:25.019 --> 00:09:28.559 The external is that before it falls down. 216 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:32.759 And in a way, Solon is trying to build a tower to God by creating 217 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:33.419 life. 218 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:34.740 Yes, that's beautiful. 219 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:38.220 There is lots and lots of classical and filmic references in 220 00:09:38.220 --> 00:09:38.460 this. 221 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:40.919 So I should, but mostly it's the Rocky Horror picture show. 222 00:09:40.980 --> 00:09:41.639 Yeah, yeah. 223 00:09:41.700 --> 00:09:45.000 I mean, they come knocking at the door with a watering can being 224 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:45.720 poured over them. 225 00:09:45.899 --> 00:09:48.419 Can you smell a glass of water? 226 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:48.899 Exactly. 227 00:09:48.899 --> 00:09:51.179 It's Dr. Brad and this is my lovely assistant, Janet. 228 00:09:52.500 --> 00:09:55.379 The sets are really, really good. 229 00:09:55.440 --> 00:10:00.600 And indeed, the sets for the exterior areas are probably the best 230 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:02.940 we've seen on Doctor Who for many a year. 231 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:06.960 I think really Planet of Evil wins for the high entire season for 232 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:08.639 external internal set. 233 00:10:08.700 --> 00:10:11.940 Well, I only think on film, though, not on videotape. 234 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:12.899 I think it's terrible. 235 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:14.879 I'm halfway between. 236 00:10:14.940 --> 00:10:16.980 I think this certainly gives it a run for its money. 237 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:20.220 I think Planet of Evil trumps it because of the film, and you've 238 00:10:20.220 --> 00:10:22.620 still got the flavour of the film, if you like, when you switch to 239 00:10:22.620 --> 00:10:22.860 the video. 240 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.019 We haven't gone on to how awful this story is. 241 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:26.340 You mean horror? 242 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:27.659 I just think it's awful. 243 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.120 It never worked. 244 00:10:30.179 --> 00:10:31.860 I don't miss it at all. 245 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.379 I don't even see it as canon, and I think that's because we didn't 246 00:10:34.379 --> 00:10:35.220 get to see it. 247 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:37.559 Can I just say, you don't blind a companion. 248 00:10:37.620 --> 00:10:41.940 It's, I haven't seen anything as bad until they inseminate Amy 249 00:10:41.940 --> 00:10:45.120 Pond and then whisk the child away and then we're all just 250 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:46.799 supposed to forget about it for the rest of the summer. 251 00:10:46.860 --> 00:10:49.860 Oh, and she has the child back, but it turns into a pile of goo. 252 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:53.220 Oh, very unkindly. don't say about Alex Kingston. 253 00:10:54.539 --> 00:10:56.639 I have to agree with that. 254 00:10:56.700 --> 00:11:00.179 And she falls down the stairs after that. bloody awful. 255 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.100 And Holmes actually lampshades that because she claims to have a 256 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:05.700 nightmare. 257 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.460 Oh, I had this nightmare where I was blinded and I fell down the 258 00:11:08.460 --> 00:11:08.700 stairs. 259 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:09.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 260 00:11:09.539 --> 00:11:12.240 And there was this body made of spare parts. 261 00:11:12.299 --> 00:11:13.740 Yeah, and that is awful. 262 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.440 And I think it has been a problem with the way that Sarah's been 263 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:17.460 treated all the way along. 264 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.759 So you have this strong character who's introduced by Lets. 265 00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:25.139 And back in Lets's day, the companions used to have fun and all of 266 00:11:25.139 --> 00:11:25.740 that sort of thing. 267 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:29.759 But Sarah's being tied up and tortured and hypnotised and dropped 268 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:34.379 off a rocket gantry and and, you know, has confronted Nazis and 269 00:11:34.379 --> 00:11:36.480 dead bodies and all of these things. 270 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.120 Like she's had a really, really horrible time and all the way 271 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.279 through season 12, I was saying why would she ever get in the 272 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:45.720 TARDIS again and now here she's been really, really, brutally 273 00:11:45.779 --> 00:11:46.259 isn't it? 274 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:47.340 It's awful, I think. 275 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:48.179 And it is a mistake. 276 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.159 I think it's a terrible mistake. 277 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.720 I think and I think even Hinchcliffe said afterwards that we tried 278 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.779 to inject it with humour and the humour is some of the best in the 279 00:11:57.779 --> 00:11:58.259 season. 280 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:02.100 The problem is, is the total variance between what's going on 281 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:04.200 visually and what's being said in the dialogue. 282 00:12:04.259 --> 00:12:10.440 The lines are fantastic and especially between Solon and Condo. 283 00:12:10.500 --> 00:12:11.879 If you're looking for his arm again. 284 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:16.379 There are some really, really lovely moments, but they don't leave 285 00:12:16.379 --> 00:12:20.159 in the flat, the dead, dark flatness of this. 286 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:22.980 I'm really with Todd on this one Yeah, yeah. 287 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:26.759 I mean, it's the juxtaposition of the humour to the horror 288 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:30.539 quotient is just as bad, in my opinion, as the early Colin 289 00:12:30.539 --> 00:12:31.080 Bakers. 290 00:12:34.019 --> 00:12:37.139 I would like to say that I really like Colin Baker's doctor. 291 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:40.440 I think he was given some very poorly conceived and poorly 292 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:41.159 balanced scripts. 293 00:12:41.220 --> 00:12:43.139 I'd say you were half right. 294 00:12:43.980 --> 00:12:46.379 It's just a variance, yeah. 295 00:12:46.379 --> 00:12:48.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. between what they're trying to do. 296 00:12:48.179 --> 00:12:51.059 And yeah, the brutality and the lightness of touch doesn't work. 297 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.299 The brutality of with which the characters are treated, but the 298 00:12:54.299 --> 00:12:55.740 doctor and Sarah. 299 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:57.000 And yet the fun they're having. 300 00:12:57.059 --> 00:12:59.460 And when you listen to the audio commentary on it. 301 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:00.840 They're all delighted by it. 302 00:13:00.899 --> 00:13:03.840 It's the usual thing of directors can be terribly violent when 303 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.360 they're looking through the aperture of a camera, and yet you 304 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:09.960 often find they're the most pacifist of people when you're outside 305 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.139 of that because when it's seen through a lens, there's the divorce 306 00:13:13.139 --> 00:13:18.419 of self and involvement of self with the action going on. 307 00:13:18.419 --> 00:13:19.799 Absolutely, absolutely. 308 00:13:19.860 --> 00:13:21.779 And I think I think they missed the beat here. 309 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.659 So let's itemise the horrors that happened in this story. 310 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.460 Chris, the mutt. 311 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:29.399 Why he is still in mutt form and why he hasn't evolved into the 312 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:30.840 rainbow super being. don't know. 313 00:13:30.899 --> 00:13:32.460 Because Glam Rock was dead by now. 314 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:34.200 Yeah, that's trying. 315 00:13:34.259 --> 00:13:37.019 It was no longer fashionable to turn into rainbow high. 316 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:40.740 Maybe there's a maybe there's a mutt purity movement on the planet 317 00:13:40.740 --> 00:13:41.700 solos. 318 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.320 I actually think they just found a costume in the stores with the 319 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.799 word mutt on it, and they had no idea what it was, no one in the 320 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:51.899 production had seen the mutants, and so they just went with it. 321 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:54.179 Except it's still John Scott Martin in the costume. 322 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:55.019 I think he just took it home. 323 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.779 So, um, Cruz the Mark gets decapitated. 324 00:13:57.840 --> 00:13:59.220 We learn it. 325 00:13:59.220 --> 00:14:00.419 It gets turned into a Muppet. 326 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.460 Yeah, an electronic. 327 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:07.259 We learn early on that condo has lost an arm and also he's a bit 328 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:08.039 horrific to look at. 329 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:11.399 The doctor and Sarah are... with a thyroid problem, isn't he? 330 00:14:11.460 --> 00:14:13.080 is an acromagallic. 331 00:14:13.139 --> 00:14:15.419 Don't you love how Tom still gives us a new word to learn every 332 00:14:15.419 --> 00:14:15.779 story? 333 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:17.639 So that's Holmes. 334 00:14:17.700 --> 00:14:19.019 That is Bob Hunt. 335 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:20.279 More of him later. 336 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.019 So, Chris gets decapitated. 337 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:23.279 Condo's lost an arm. 338 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.019 The doctor and Sarah get drugged. 339 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.360 The doctor then gets put on the operating table is going to have 340 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:28.200 his head chopped. 341 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:29.039 Just gets drunk. 342 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:30.899 Yeah, he slames it. 343 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.299 He actually doesn't play it like he's drunk. 344 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:34.080 He plays it drunk. 345 00:14:34.139 --> 00:14:38.159 And Liz has this huge grin on her face when she can see him 346 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:39.840 because she doesn't she pours the wine out. 347 00:14:39.899 --> 00:14:42.600 It's not really wine at some petrol or something. 348 00:14:42.659 --> 00:14:45.899 It's green cordial, like heavily diluted green cordial. 349 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:50.100 But he he just plays it straightforwardly drunk and she's laughing 350 00:14:50.100 --> 00:14:50.460 at him. 351 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.059 Yeah, just as a quick aside, we've had we've had Zigon lactic 352 00:14:54.059 --> 00:14:54.419 fluid. 353 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:55.559 Where's this wine coming from? 354 00:14:55.620 --> 00:14:56.820 I didn't see any vineyards. 355 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.259 The doctor then gets tied to a steak and he's going to be burned 356 00:15:01.259 --> 00:15:05.279 to death, at which point Sarah gets blinded trying to rescue him. 357 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:10.440 And I will say that although Sarah's blinding is horrific. 358 00:15:10.500 --> 00:15:13.980 I think it's a very brave decision to have her blind for an 359 00:15:13.980 --> 00:15:14.700 episode and a half . 360 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:16.500 There is not a quick fix for this problem. 361 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.679 In fact, for a while, we, I mean, you know, we never think she's 362 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:22.860 going to be permanently blinded, but there is that scene, the 363 00:15:22.860 --> 00:15:26.519 doctor takes her back to be treated by Solon, and Solon is crazy 364 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.419 but he's professional and he behaves like a proper doctor, except 365 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:33.360 that he does lie and say that the blinding is permanent. 366 00:15:33.419 --> 00:15:34.559 And it's done really well. 367 00:15:34.620 --> 00:15:37.440 It's just a little head movement to say, yeah. 368 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.600 You do believe him for a moment. 369 00:15:39.659 --> 00:15:41.039 Yeah, you do it. 370 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:43.559 So what do you think then is that the elixir is going to cure her 371 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:44.460 by the end or whatever. 372 00:15:44.580 --> 00:15:45.120 Yeah, exactly. 373 00:15:45.179 --> 00:15:47.759 Look, the production crew have had so much fun with it. 374 00:15:47.820 --> 00:15:48.779 They tried it on Leila. 375 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:49.259 Yes. 376 00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:54.419 Moving on from there, you then get the sisters trying to kill the 377 00:15:54.419 --> 00:15:55.500 doctor again. 378 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:56.820 Hello, Sutek. 379 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.840 Now, and I may get the order of these events wrong, but Morbius's 380 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.120 brain falls on the floor, which is what attracted the most 381 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:05.039 complaints in the UK broadcast. 382 00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:06.480 I do too. 383 00:16:06.539 --> 00:16:07.980 It's absolutely superb. 384 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:10.320 And I really, you can really see it's a big rubbery thing. 385 00:16:10.379 --> 00:16:14.159 Condo gets shot in the stomach, which attracted no complaints. 386 00:16:14.220 --> 00:16:14.700 Really? 387 00:16:14.700 --> 00:16:17.399 Even though Blunt explodes, everyone explodes everywhere. 388 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:18.299 Blunt all over his head. 389 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:24.179 Yeah, Solon is 1st strangled by the Morbius monster and then 390 00:16:24.179 --> 00:16:26.100 gassed to death by the doctor. 391 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.419 One of the sisters is strangled by the Morbius monster as well 392 00:16:30.419 --> 00:16:31.019 before that. 393 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.679 And then the doctor and Morbius do their mind-bending. 394 00:16:34.740 --> 00:16:37.200 Morbius is full of shop a cliff, and the doctor is near death and 395 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:38.399 has to be revived with the elixir. 396 00:16:38.460 --> 00:16:42.600 And then Maran throws herself into the flame because she's too old 397 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:43.500 to go on anymore. 398 00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:49.019 It is pretty, pretty horrific, but at least... 399 00:16:49.019 --> 00:16:49.980 I still enjoy it. 400 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:51.779 Do you know, I actually think it's superb. 401 00:16:51.779 --> 00:16:57.059 And, and I think it's, it's vying with one or 2 other stories to 402 00:16:57.059 --> 00:16:59.639 be my favourite of the season, and I'll explain why. 403 00:16:59.700 --> 00:17:04.619 We have had a number of stories with no actual discernable guest 404 00:17:04.619 --> 00:17:07.920 characters with any personalities or anything. 405 00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:13.319 So Mind of Evil, you know, Sorenson, sort of, you know, Salamar 406 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:17.700 he's execrable, you know, there's Vashinsky and his off-putting 407 00:17:17.700 --> 00:17:21.480 gray, you know, chest. 408 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:25.559 Then there's invasion of the dinosaurs, which wastes all of these 409 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:27.599 guest stars and has no interesting characters. 410 00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:32.220 I think maybe Pyramids of Mars has one. 5 interesting characters. 411 00:17:32.220 --> 00:17:36.059 Here, it is a theatre piece and all of the characters are really 412 00:17:36.059 --> 00:17:36.900 terrifically interesting. 413 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:40.799 You've got Solon who's Philip Maddock, who is superbly played. 414 00:17:40.859 --> 00:17:44.700 He doesn't get to do his usual Maddock, you know, quiet, calm 415 00:17:44.700 --> 00:17:48.000 controlled thing that he does in the war games are in the in that 416 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:48.779 Dalek movie. 417 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.019 He is crazy, but it's such a great performance. 418 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.680 And he has such enthusiasm as the character. 419 00:17:55.740 --> 00:17:57.839 You're right, this head obsession. 420 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:00.660 Yeah, his voice is very different. 421 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:02.039 I mean, it's still his voice. 422 00:18:02.099 --> 00:18:04.319 But the cadence and the quality of it. 423 00:18:04.380 --> 00:18:07.920 Sort of when he's making small talk with Dr. and Sarah about, oh 424 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:09.839 this is why I came to this planet, da da da. 425 00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:12.960 It's very conversational, but it's forced conversational. 426 00:18:13.019 --> 00:18:16.500 He's not used to dealing with people and you can tell it's such a 427 00:18:16.500 --> 00:18:18.299 wonderful performance. 428 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:21.359 I was going to say subtle, but it's not really subtle, but it's 429 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:21.839 not over the top. 430 00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:22.980 Yeah, he does pull it in. 431 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:23.640 Do you know what I mean? 432 00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:24.359 Yeah, like it. 433 00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:27.779 Like when the doctor visits, you know, later to consult about 434 00:18:27.779 --> 00:18:28.680 Sarah's blindness. 435 00:18:28.740 --> 00:18:30.299 He's wonderfully underplayed. 436 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:30.960 He's terrific. 437 00:18:31.019 --> 00:18:36.359 And he has all those homes, lines about, you know, calling Marina 438 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:41.519 Palsied Harrogan and chicken brained biological animation. 439 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:44.400 Every organ is mine with my own hand. 440 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:45.359 Yes. 441 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.579 And I think one of my favourite moments. 442 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:49.019 And it's just the way he plays it. 443 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.420 When the doctor's unconscious and Sarah's pretending to be 444 00:18:51.420 --> 00:18:52.799 unconscious. 445 00:18:52.859 --> 00:18:54.660 Condo says, what about girl? 446 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:57.119 And so just, what girl? 447 00:18:57.180 --> 00:18:58.799 It's very queer. 448 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.259 Stop that cottage, doesn't like. 449 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:03.960 Yeah, that's wonderful and condo. 450 00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:06.900 Then there's Condo, you know, who's sort of big and dumb, but has 451 00:19:06.900 --> 00:19:11.099 a crush on Sarah. someone says, oh, he's such an old romantic or 452 00:19:11.099 --> 00:19:14.759 something like that when he's trying to sort of stroke Sarah's 453 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.160 face and he's, you know, obsessed with his hand. 454 00:19:17.220 --> 00:19:20.460 You know, Morbius is obsessed with heads, condos obsessed with 455 00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:20.940 hands. 456 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.579 You know, he's really terrifically funny. 457 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:28.920 You have, you know, Maranana Hoheka, who are again... 458 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:31.500 Oh, he can with her giant staring eyes. 459 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:36.660 She's terrifically funny, Marns are sort of a grumpy old lesbian 460 00:19:36.660 --> 00:19:36.960 you know? 461 00:19:37.019 --> 00:19:39.839 It's she's terrific. 462 00:19:39.900 --> 00:19:44.519 You know, all of that stuff about their their relationship with 463 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:46.920 the time lords is really interesting, you know. 464 00:19:46.980 --> 00:19:47.579 Yeah, yeah. 465 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.180 And it's still putting the time lords as this mysterious force 466 00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:52.440 across in the program. 467 00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:56.819 But it is one thing, the difference between the time lords and the 468 00:19:56.819 --> 00:19:58.140 sisterhood is. 469 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.960 And, you know, the doctor is dismissive of all of the, you know 470 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.720 the ability of the sisterhood to transport the TARDIS across to 471 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:06.900 their place or to transport the doctor across. you know he thinks 472 00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:08.099 that's sort of really primitive. 473 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.759 And he says the reason is that their society has ossified because 474 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:15.240 they're immortal, there can be no progress at all. 475 00:20:15.299 --> 00:20:20.519 And so, So they don't have the thing where Ohika has replaced 476 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:21.839 Maran as the leader. 477 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.039 And we see that start to happen. 478 00:20:23.099 --> 00:20:25.859 Marin's too old to lead the expedition against Morbius. 479 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:28.680 That's nearly the expedition. 480 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:31.140 I even did the hand gestures, dear listener. 481 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:32.279 What is in that? 482 00:20:33.779 --> 00:20:35.759 She's really stoked. 483 00:20:35.819 --> 00:20:37.140 So they are great. 484 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.440 You know, she's sort of brutally horrible and all of that, but 485 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:42.900 there is all of this stuff about progress in it. 486 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:46.980 And then you get the brain and the brain is absolutely hilarious 487 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.980 you know, the great megalomaniac reduced to sort of being a 488 00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:52.200 rubbery thing in a in a jar. 489 00:20:52.259 --> 00:20:53.339 It's a Scooby-Doo. 490 00:20:53.460 --> 00:20:56.759 And it rants, you know, and the voice. 491 00:20:56.819 --> 00:20:57.599 What is that voice? 492 00:20:57.720 --> 00:20:59.640 It's magnus where the horror goes. 493 00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:01.500 It's a micro spice. 494 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.200 Well, the lesser known Spice Girl. 495 00:21:04.259 --> 00:21:07.380 But it's actually, even more so, it's Gort, leader of the thugs 496 00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:08.819 from Captain Kremen. 497 00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:11.640 All the mice from hitchhikers. 498 00:21:11.700 --> 00:21:12.240 Yeah. 499 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:13.920 Thank you snarky part, faster. 500 00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:18.900 He's terrific, and the brain on the floor is absolutely 501 00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:19.799 hilarious. 502 00:21:19.859 --> 00:21:21.420 Like there's that's homes. 503 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:22.200 Do you know what I mean? 504 00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:24.960 Just being truly horrible and brutal. 505 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:29.279 And I think that is Solon's best scene where he's picking it up. 506 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:32.880 The greatest intellect destroyed by an animal. 507 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.059 But he says Morbius's brain on the floor. 508 00:21:37.019 --> 00:21:41.039 I mean, yeah, that is the moment where they've gone as far rocky 509 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:43.980 horror as they can without putting Philip Maddock in fishnets. 510 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:45.240 So, but it's great. 511 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:46.740 You know he's wearing them underneath. 512 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:47.700 Of course, of course. 513 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:48.779 They're very good for horse riding. 514 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:50.819 And ask William Shatner. 515 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.099 So it's grotesque and it's really funny. 516 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:54.240 Do you know what I mean? 517 00:21:54.299 --> 00:21:57.720 Like, um, and but it's still, it's still a big threat. 518 00:21:57.779 --> 00:21:59.880 You know, Morbius is still scary. 519 00:21:59.940 --> 00:22:03.240 It's a large scale threat as usual played out in this small 520 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:04.019 environment. 521 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.680 Just like Pyramids of Mars was. you know, the entire universe was 522 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.059 at stake in pyramids of Mars. 523 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:12.359 Here, you know, we're resurrecting a long dead, you know, evil 524 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.119 that was thought to have disappeared just like in periods of 525 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:15.539 Mars. 526 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:17.819 Only this time it's a time lord evil. 527 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:20.519 You know, all of that stuff, I think, is really good. 528 00:22:20.579 --> 00:22:24.960 And so it manages to be interesting and enjoyable in a way I think 529 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:28.500 that some stories earlier in this season aren't. 530 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:29.819 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 531 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.480 Just something I want to mention about Cynthia Grenville and Gilly 532 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:34.200 Jones, is it? 533 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:34.799 Who plays? 534 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:36.480 Who plays? 535 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:39.420 They're actually around the same age at this point. 536 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:41.819 She's got a lot of latex on. 537 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:43.559 Really, I mean, not. 538 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:49.619 It was lovely seeing Cynthia Gremble in the Doco on the disc and 539 00:22:49.619 --> 00:22:51.299 seeing just how little she's changed. 540 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:56.579 But I believe it was either it was either Philip Hinchcliffe or 541 00:22:56.579 --> 00:23:00.299 the director Christopher Barry. who, while casting, saw Cynthia 542 00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:03.420 Gremble in the BBC canteen and came up to her and said, oh, I've 543 00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:05.519 got a part I would really like you to play on Doctor Who. 544 00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:09.599 You know, it's the head priestess of sort of a nunnery or 545 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:10.680 sisterhood out in space. 546 00:23:10.740 --> 00:23:12.960 And she's like, oh, oh, oh, that's very interesting. 547 00:23:13.019 --> 00:23:13.500 That's great. 548 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:14.339 Tell me more about the character. 549 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.259 Well, she's this wizened old chrome. 550 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:18.720 You should start going death. 551 00:23:19.140 --> 00:23:21.420 And that's where that comes from. 552 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:26.039 In fact, one of the sisterhood does the choreography and we have 553 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:31.200 our 1st movement for credit. sings Rosalind de Winter. 554 00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:32.400 The dancing is great. 555 00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:33.779 The dancing is wonderful. 556 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.480 And what I think is really wonderful is when Sarah's impersonating 557 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:38.759 one of them and can't quite get the steps around. 558 00:23:38.819 --> 00:23:40.259 So she's just doing the best she can. 559 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:41.579 It's pump class. 560 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:46.140 Coming back to something you alluded to earlier, Richard, with the 561 00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:50.339 psychedelic dancing, the overlapping sounds of sacred. 562 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.259 Sad flag. 563 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.220 With those overlapping, with the smoke going everywhere and the 564 00:23:56.220 --> 00:23:56.880 crossfades. 565 00:23:56.940 --> 00:24:01.619 There is something psychotropic about these sequences, you know. 566 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.380 And I think that's very clever on the part of Christopher Barry. 567 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:06.480 He directs this so so well. 568 00:24:06.539 --> 00:24:10.019 He was very unhappy when Philip Hinchcliffe cut it down to 60 569 00:24:10.019 --> 00:24:11.460 minutes for an omnibus edition. 570 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:13.920 He didn't think it should have been cut down at all, but he 571 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:15.539 understood that was a practice in the BBC. 572 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.819 He thought he should have at least been informed and consulted. 573 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.500 It should have been, yeah exactly. 574 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.680 Yeah, because with the next story we're going to look at. 575 00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:26.339 Douglas Canfield did actually plan notes for a 90 minute version 576 00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:27.359 of the Seeds of Death. 577 00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:28.140 It never came about. 578 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:31.380 It was never ordered, but he actually planned, I would cut this. 579 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:32.039 I knew arranged. 580 00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:33.839 No, it was actually called the Seeds of Death. 581 00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:35.880 Oh, sorry, until they realised they'd already done one. 582 00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:39.480 Newly formed Dwas, Doctor Who Depreciation Society. what a title. 583 00:24:39.539 --> 00:24:41.279 You've done that. 584 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:42.059 You've done that. 585 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:48.000 Yeah, tell Tom Spillsbury, that with the mutants. was Ian Levine's 586 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:48.900 1st go in the show. 587 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:49.859 All right. 588 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.240 And then he rescued the Darwix. 589 00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:52.200 We have a lot to thank you. 590 00:24:53.579 --> 00:24:56.220 On a few notes of casting. 591 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.880 We could have seen a few old faces back in this. 592 00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:05.400 So on the short list for condo were Stephen Thorne, which as much 593 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.700 as I love Stephen Thorne, it would be a mistake in my opinion, to 594 00:25:08.700 --> 00:25:09.539 make him a henchman. 595 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:12.900 Well, I think it'd be a mistake, yeah, to have Philip Maddock, you 596 00:25:12.900 --> 00:25:16.559 know, out shouted by shouting on Stephen Thorn. 597 00:25:16.619 --> 00:25:18.359 And Bernard Breslau. 598 00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:20.460 Oh, no, that could have been a major return. 599 00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:23.339 And I think he was seriously on the cards, but he was doing 600 00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:23.759 something else. 601 00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:25.680 Isn't what's his name? 602 00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:26.339 Colin Faye. 603 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.319 He's an opera singer He's an opera singer. 604 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.680 And a bit like Shara's Jack in a few years' time. 605 00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:35.940 He was actually a very handsome man and they had to make him up. 606 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.519 And he rather enjoyed it because he got to do television. 607 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:42.299 And it was something very, very different for him. 608 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.900 But his vocal quality helped him push through the mouth 609 00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:48.539 prosthetics, yeah, because he had spaces in his mouth to give him 610 00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:49.559 a malformed jaw. 611 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.279 And excitingly, they used the same wig of condo's wig on Liz 612 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:54.720 Sladden for K9 and company. 613 00:25:54.779 --> 00:25:55.619 Yeah, it was great. 614 00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:59.339 Solon, the shortlist included Freddie Jones. 615 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.500 John Bennett. 616 00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:02.880 Oh, yeah. 617 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.980 Peter Cushing. 618 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:06.420 Oh, wow. 619 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.099 And Vincent Price. 620 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:09.480 Okay. 621 00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:12.779 I don't think they would have got Vincent's list, really. 622 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:13.680 But you know what? 623 00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:15.599 They probably could have got Peter. 624 00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:16.740 He seemed kind of game for anything. 625 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:18.660 He did Star Wars the year after this. 626 00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:23.519 And in the original Star Wars before Darth Vader took off as the 627 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:23.940 villain. 628 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.059 Grand Morph Tarkin was considered the villain of that movie, and 629 00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:29.339 that's how it was marketed, that Peter Cushing was the villain. 630 00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:33.119 That's what Lia says, you know, that he was holding Vader's 631 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:33.480 leash. 632 00:26:33.539 --> 00:26:37.740 And of course, do we know the story of his footwear in that film? 633 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:43.079 His imperial his imperial officer boots. 634 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:45.359 That's what he was known as his Imperial Heights. 635 00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:49.500 His imperial officer boots were incredibly uncomfortable. 636 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.140 So he only wore them in long shots. 637 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.900 So he would say to George, look, George, can you tell me when I 638 00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:56.759 have to wear these when you have to see them? 639 00:26:56.819 --> 00:26:59.400 And otherwise he was wearing pink floppy slippers. 640 00:26:59.460 --> 00:27:02.099 So all those close-ups where he was having to confront Carrie 641 00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:04.619 Fisher, one Carrie Fisher is going, oh, my God, it's Peter 642 00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:05.099 Cushing. 643 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.259 The other thing she's trying going, don't look down. 644 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:08.519 You're meant to be scared of this guy. 645 00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:09.240 Don't look down. 646 00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:10.799 Pink mules. 647 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.519 Do they have faces on them, little oinky piglets? 648 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.119 Oh, can we talk faces in a brilliant segue? 649 00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:20.940 Yes, of course, to that mind bending contest. 650 00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:24.839 So mind bending contest, A, has the stupidest name of any sport 651 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:25.259 ever. 652 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.240 I just happen to have one. 653 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.059 And yes, we just happen to have that here. 654 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:31.079 I don't know why. 655 00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:33.299 I think he was drawing tea towels on it. 656 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:35.220 Yeah, no, I think that might have been it. 657 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.380 I don't know how that got Oh, picking up BBC 2. 658 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.220 The knights were sold on a long and dark... 659 00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:44.220 So he would just plug the brain into one end and have a go on the 660 00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:44.519 other end. 661 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:50.819 The big thing, the big continuity nerd thing, which I just refuse 662 00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:52.140 to care about, yes. 663 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:57.539 Morbius cast the doctor back in time, and you know, he goes back 664 00:27:57.539 --> 00:28:01.500 to being per, you know, visions of pertry over the title sequence 665 00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:03.480 so pertry, and then Trouton, and then Billy. 666 00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:06.480 And then you get these mysterious other people who are, you know 667 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.839 Graham Harper and Philip Hinchcliffe and Bob Holmes and stuff. 668 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:10.680 Christopher Berry. 669 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:11.759 People from the thing. 670 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:14.759 And yeah, and Bobby's a nice old bird who makes the tea. 671 00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:16.259 She's there, yeah. 672 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.500 Goes back, you know, go back, back, doctor back. 673 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.559 And so these are clearly passed incarnations of the doctor and 674 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:23.819 people have all said. 675 00:28:23.819 --> 00:28:26.339 Oh, well, Morbius is losing the mind-bending contest. 676 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.819 So they're past Morbius's, or they say they're all just younger 677 00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:32.700 versions of William Hartner, which really makes absolutely no 678 00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:33.180 sense at all. 679 00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:36.599 So it just must be intended to be past doctors. 680 00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:39.839 And so when Richard Herndle turns up and claims to be the original 681 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:40.740 Doctor Who. 682 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.740 That's all clearly nonsense, obviously, in the 5 doctors. 683 00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.140 But do we really have to care about that? 684 00:28:46.259 --> 00:28:48.119 Does everything have to be pinned down? 685 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.200 not Star Wars. 686 00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:50.640 It's not canon, you know? 687 00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:52.140 It's Doctor Who. 688 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.599 Anything can be true and everything can be true. 689 00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:58.859 Xander's rule, I think, is that in the Doctor Who universe 690 00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:04.619 everything is canon, except noddy, unless the doctor was lying 691 00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:06.599 during the unicorn and the wasp. 692 00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:08.940 That's a very very good point. 693 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.960 I mean, the whole point about Canon, for instance, Star Wars with 694 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.299 its new films coming up. 695 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:20.579 Lucasfilm has officially said, look, the novels, the comics are no 696 00:29:20.579 --> 00:29:21.779 longer considered canon. 697 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.200 Yeah, they didn't really happen in the way that the films really 698 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:25.740 happened. 699 00:29:26.099 --> 00:29:29.460 But the thing is, they did it in a very tasteful way where they 700 00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:31.859 acknowledge, look, people have been putting these creative efforts 701 00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:35.880 in for so long, but we're making films, we want to surprise people 702 00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:36.900 and entertain people. 703 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.539 We don't want to make other people stories we want to make our 704 00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:39.839 own. 705 00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:43.019 So you can still enjoy those stories, but they're not in the same 706 00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:45.299 world as a film, which I think is a very sympathetic way to do 707 00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:45.539 it. 708 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:49.019 Doctor Who fans, when we argue about canon and continuity, It can 709 00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:49.859 get quite heated. 710 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.039 The idea I like about this is actually what the new adventures did 711 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.940 because the new adventures, the novels from the 90s, did attempt 712 00:29:56.940 --> 00:29:59.160 to reconcile a lot of cannon. 713 00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:03.599 And what they sort of said is these faces were the being the 714 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:05.940 doctor was before the doctor. the doctor. 715 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:06.779 The other, exactly. 716 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.079 And, you know, the other is still a bit of a silly idea, but it's 717 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.619 an attempt to kind of do that thing of everything has happened 718 00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:15.059 somewhere and somehow. 719 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.299 And you've got to you've got to appreciate that sort of 720 00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:21.000 inclusiveness rather than putting your foot down and saying it 721 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:21.480 didn't happen. 722 00:30:21.539 --> 00:30:26.099 Personally, I like the idea that the heads are Morbius, just 723 00:30:26.099 --> 00:30:29.160 because we don't see any of Morbius's other incarnations, but I'm 724 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.740 not losing sleep over the idea that there are doctors before 725 00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:32.519 William Hartman. 726 00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:34.259 That's pretty obvious it's the doctor. 727 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.539 I think they mean it to be the doctor. 728 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.200 I really like that and I love how Morbius Wanders staggers off 729 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.740 from the contest with like all this smoke in his head globe 730 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:46.859 pillowing out of that smoke. my terrarium. 731 00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:48.359 There's a song that animated it. 732 00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:50.160 So Nigel Robinson's quiz books. 733 00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:51.779 They're also canon, aren't they? 734 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:52.440 That's right. 735 00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:54.960 And Gary Downey's cookbook. 736 00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:56.640 And Gary Downey's cookbook, that's Canon. 737 00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.759 Travel without the Tardis by those 2 fabulous... 738 00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:00.420 Yep, absolutely. 739 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:02.940 Jean-airy and Lori. 740 00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:04.079 How oldelman? 741 00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:07.140 The the Michael Holt quiz book of science. 742 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:07.859 Yes. 743 00:31:07.859 --> 00:31:09.119 For instance, their Canon. 744 00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:10.619 I loved those books as a kid. 745 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.380 The doctor and Perry going on a picnic and we've only got a 15 746 00:31:13.380 --> 00:31:16.680 ounce glass and an 8 ounce glass, but I'm only meant to have 4 747 00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:18.059 ounces of water doctor. 748 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.680 How are we going to do this? 749 00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:20.759 You know what? 750 00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:22.440 Those were the setup. say that life is short. 751 00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:24.059 I think it's inexorably long. 752 00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:26.099 Far, far too long. 753 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.460 So given that we have gone on far, far too long. 754 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.799 I just like to take a minute to talk about the end of the story. 755 00:31:31.859 --> 00:31:35.220 Now, I've said this season that I consider most of the stories 756 00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:40.079 either to have a really poor beginning episode and to build up 757 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.440 towards the end or a really good buildup and to fall off at the 758 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.180 end, like the Android invasion last week. 759 00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:49.019 I think this is one that starts as a solid 6 out of 10 with the 760 00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:52.259 1st episode and has made its way to 8 out of 10 by the by the 761 00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:52.500 end. 762 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.359 It never goes down in my opinion. 763 00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:56.160 It's always really good. 764 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.759 And there are some moments I love from the last episode, which I 765 00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:00.539 just have to mention. 766 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.680 I did the whole of Hika thing earlier. nearly the sisters Maran. 767 00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:07.259 That is such a great rallying call because all the way through. 768 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.019 She's been saying, you know, we must act. and Burrow's like, oh, I 769 00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:12.599 don't want to. 770 00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:15.480 You know, I've got a sore heel and that sort of thing. 771 00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:17.220 I should have said, have your tea cosies off. 772 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.500 Some of them are also wearing tea cosies on their head. 773 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.599 I can see a cosplay coming up for you, Brandon. 774 00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:22.559 Yes, that's very true. 775 00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:26.940 And while the doctor does gas solon to death, Solon is not in a 776 00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:27.359 locked room. 777 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.819 Let's just point back. 778 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:31.140 So you're saying he had a chance to. 779 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:32.700 Yeah, you know, he could have left. 780 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.980 Morbius has tribbles in his lab, in his downstairs lab. 781 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:41.039 When Sarah calls him Chop Suey, the galactic emperor. 782 00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:43.079 See, that's a bit racist, I think. 783 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:45.000 The doctor calls him a mongrel as well. 784 00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:49.319 I actually think it's, again, Holmes lazily failing to avoid being 785 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:50.160 racist. 786 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:51.599 More of that next year. 787 00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:52.859 More of this race. 788 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.720 There's any doubt. 789 00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:57.660 I quite like the sisterhood with the torches. 790 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.359 It's a good inversion of the villagers attacking the Franco. 791 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.200 That is great. 792 00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:04.859 Because, you know, in that, the villages of the villains in this 793 00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:09.180 the sisterhood are saving saving their planet and saving the 794 00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:10.319 universe from Morbius. 795 00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:13.200 And the magic potion saving the doctor. 796 00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:18.720 When I was a child, that was such a magical moment, the elixir 797 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:19.500 saving the doctor. 798 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.140 I had the junior Doctor Who novelisation. 799 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.359 Yes, they did the junior novelisation. 800 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.579 They did, they did Brain of Morbius, and they did, um, giant 801 00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:30.000 robot. 802 00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:33.480 And I would just read that last chapter again and again and it 803 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:34.859 affected me so much. 804 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:40.200 But I think my favourite moment from the last episode, Rod and I 805 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.420 have been making our way through and watching the Mary Tyler Moore 806 00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:42.720 show. 807 00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:48.420 And that bit where they discover the air vent, and Sarah just 808 00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:51.420 channels Mary Tyler Moore, and she says, do you want me to get the 809 00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:52.079 what do you want? 810 00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:55.019 That's very Mary Tyler Moore. 811 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.480 And Mary Tyler Moore was big at this stage, of course. 812 00:33:57.539 --> 00:34:01.079 Now, I realise, and I'm going to hang a lantern on this for the 813 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:02.880 audience, we are running out of time. 814 00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:05.279 We haven't really discussed the whole script situation, but it's 815 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:06.779 pretty well known. 816 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.619 Terrence Robin Bland is actually Terrence Dix. 817 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.679 Terrence Dix wrote the script, went off on holiday, and the 818 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:18.300 original script was this robot constructing an efficient but ugly 819 00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:21.300 body for a very vain intellect. 820 00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:23.760 And Philip Hinchcliffe went off the science fiction idea. 821 00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:27.239 He wanted it more Gothic, and therefore Robert Holmes... 822 00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:29.579 Holmes wanted it more Gothic, and Hinchcliffe said we just don't 823 00:34:29.579 --> 00:34:32.579 have the money, but he actually still wanted the spaciness, and 824 00:34:32.579 --> 00:34:34.800 that's why Hinchcliffe said I was very disappointed in the set. 825 00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:39.119 With the script, though. like Holmes makes it more Gothic and 826 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.159 tries to downplay the science fiction elements. 827 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:44.340 And, you know, I think he's aware that any robot that they create 828 00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:45.420 is going to look terrible. 829 00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:49.619 Well, the thing is, this is where the idea for the Raston Warrior 830 00:34:49.619 --> 00:34:52.019 robot came from because that's what Terrence thought it would be. 831 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.539 It would be a man in a fill reflective bodysuit. 832 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:58.139 And it wouldn't be sort of bits... and a bicycle helmet. and it 833 00:34:58.139 --> 00:35:00.360 wouldn't be sort of bits bolted on or anything like that to 834 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:01.920 distinguish it from the cybermen. 835 00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:06.420 And of course, Terrence then got the finalised scripts back from 836 00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:10.139 Bob Holmes and set off this wonderfully passive aggressive letter 837 00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:14.099 saying, you know, this is such a wonderful set of scripts, but I 838 00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:14.940 didn't write them. 839 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.719 And I, you know, I think it would be, I think it would be 840 00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:20.940 inappropriate to have my name on them. 841 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.980 Also, I'm not very happy about this. 842 00:35:23.099 --> 00:35:28.500 And well, he says, why don't you just take my name off and slap on 843 00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:30.239 some bland pseudonym? 844 00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:33.000 And then it came out as Robin Bland and he went, okay, Bob 845 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:33.719 Ferrer. 846 00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:50.159 That is all the time we have for the brain of Morbius, but do come 847 00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:50.820 back next week. 848 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:54.480 We'll be finishing off the season, looking at the seeds of doom. 849 00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:57.780 Until then, do please check us out. 850 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:02.699 FlightthroughEntirety.com, at FTE podcast, on Twitter, and Flight 851 00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:06.659 Through Entirety on Facebook, and the very review capable iTunes. 852 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:11.159 Until then, may all your brains stay in your own glass jars. 853 00:36:11.219 --> 00:36:12.360 Thank you very much and good night. 854 00:36:12.420 --> 00:36:13.079 Good night. 855 00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:13.679 Thank you. 856 00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:19.619 That was flat to entirety with Nathan Botterley, Brendan Jones and 857 00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:20.400 Richard Stone. 858 00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:25.019 This episode, Philip Maddock in Fishnets, was recorded on the 11th 859 00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:26.099 of July, 2015. 860 00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:29.400 The next episode will be released on August 13th. 861 00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:32.340 This story often comes at the head of fan polls. 862 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.699 Sorry about that pun, but I'm sure you'll take it on the chin. 863 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:45.300 Hello and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety, the only Doctor 864 00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:48.719 Who podcast whose flames are powered by powered wine weed. 865 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.300 It's Rhine Weed. 866 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:51.659 Yeah. 867 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.260 I tried saying that as well, and I can't. 868 00:36:55.260 --> 00:36:57.360 It's a very hard line. don't know why.