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Hello and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor

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Who podcast with the warning label, No Touch Todd could be

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dangerous.

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I'm Brendan.

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I Nathan.

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Me too.

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How can I come back from that?

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And we're taking a helicopter down to Antarctica to battle the

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seeds of doom.

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Oh, I can start if you like.

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Oh, Tor is mine.

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I don't know, you know...

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I have been I've been gifted with this one, which is coming for

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surprisingly.

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We loved this and it was one of the very later ones to be released

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on DVD because fan law says it's just terrific.

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And yet, in later fan criticism, the gods who criticise such as

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Tat Wood and such as Santa, and such as Nathan Bottomley, and

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Tog.

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Well, I don't know, I'm kind of with them as well.

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Again, tonally, it doesn't quite fit with the nature of what we

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understand Doctor Who to be because it's so violent.

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And it is a lot of other films.

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But then we've also, if you've, if you've deigned to listen to the

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entirety of this podcast, we've always said Doctor Who has been

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great because it's never been so much about Doctor Who, but about

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everything else being within the realm of the Doctor Who

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universe.

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So this is a lot of other films and a lot of other ideas then put

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under the Doctor Who umbrella.

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So it is hugely popular.

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And, you know, the for the 50th anniversary, DWM, you know, Doctor

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Who magazine did a poll the 1st 50 years.

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I referred to it before.

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These came 20th out of 241 stories.

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It is massively popular, but as Richard says, both Tat Wood and

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Philip Sander.

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Tatwood says it's his least favourite story of Tom's 1st 6

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seasons.

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Philip Sander thinks that the violence in it is irresponsible, but

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in fact, we see Hinchcliffe taken off the program, essentially, at

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the end of next year, partly because of an outcry from the Mary

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White House.

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Or is it because the Target, because this while we're on the topic

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of one, which was the BBC's answer to an incredibly popular thing

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that the Avengers producers were doing called the Professionals

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with Lewis Collins and Martin Shaw.

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And that was the nature of TV at the time.

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It was gritty ultraviolence, urban realistic violence, I should

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say.

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And very, really Doctor Who's just responding to that.

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That's right.

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But when Hinchcliffe gets taken off and Williams replaces him.

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You know, he's told that he's not to do that violence and horror

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anymore.

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There's kind of a direct.

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So Sandaphase, Hinchcliffe is irresponsibly playing with fire by

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making a story quite as violent as this.

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But what's violent about it exactly?

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Like why people say this?

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physical violence that is actually repeatable by children, that

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the, and come on, that compost.

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It's pretty...

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It's pretty tumulture.

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But even before we get there, we've got quite extreme body horror

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and I would say even worse body horror than in the arc in space

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because the crinoid makeup for when it's taking over a person

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because it's plant-based, it's easier to replicate than an alien

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life form, obviously.

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So it looks, it looks more convincing.

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And the later horror anthology film creep show would do a similar

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plot line with vegetation growing on someone.

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And again, even though the effects in that are better.

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The horror still remains in this case.

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So we have that.

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We have, um, the doctor and Sarah being tied to various bombs over

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the course of the story, things that have gone.

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I love it when they tie people to bombs.

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I'm a huge fan of that.

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We've got we've got Scorbi.

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And until now, sort of villains and henchmen in colour Doctor Who

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often have a sense of humour or a wry sense of humour, as we saw

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with soul and last story, he's quite funny and witty.

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Scorbi doesn't have any real wit about him.

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You know, he's actually a really nasty character, which is funny

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because when you see John Challis interviewed, John Challis was

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very plummy and hello.

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Oh is he really?

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He actually says that he had this rough looking face.

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So when he was out in pubs, he's like, you know, these very big

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heavy med would come up and say, want to dance?

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He actually says, then come up and say, oh, I want to play.

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I want to buy you a drink.

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And he's like...

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He's like, okay, okay, okay, okay.

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And saw it as a bit of an acting challenge to then not totally

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misrepresent himself, but to at least, you know, chop off his... chop

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off his words and what have you.

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But he said that helped him immeasurably with when he got these

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heavy type roles.

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And he's like, you know, it's amazing because I look like a heavy

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but I don't, there's nothing about that with me in real life.

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But the Scorbi character is lifted.

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This is what we're referring to earlier, lifted directly from the

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current schedules of other television.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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He's very, very professional.

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Well, there were questions in Parliament at the time about these

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British mercenaries that were in the Angolan war, which only

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lasted 20 days, but there were there were a whole lot of problems

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with British and Irish military men who really were too wacked, as

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in psychotic, to stay in the army.

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British Army were having a purge at the time of recalcitrants

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shall we say?

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So in all the turf wars and the oil wars in the Middle East, it

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was full of Brits and Irish psychos, and it was being, it was so

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known and so reported on that it was being repeated in films and

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television.

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And he explicitly says he's been in the Middle East.

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He does, exactly.

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It directly references that because there were questions in

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Parliament at the time.

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So it was on the news.

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But it's funny that you mentioned those films because, of course

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we haven't got to the greatest villain of probably all time

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Harrison Chase.

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Well, we have now our 1st question for this episode from Todd.

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These together, Todd, we can see up here.

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I can't believe that I am stuck here in my time bubble, whilst you

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guys get to talk about one of my most favourite stories of all

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time.

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One of the strengths of this production, the supporting characters

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and how they are portrayed.

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In particular, Mr. Dunbar, Hargraves, the butler, and Mr. Tequila

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all 3 actors give tremendous performances.

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Obviously, 3 of the most memorable performances in Doctor Who are

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those of Harrison Chase, Scorbi, and Amelia Ducas.

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In fact, Richard, I think you are Amelia Ducar.

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And despite everything, I really wanted Scorbi to live.

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Your thoughts, gentlemen.

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I have to say that, again, one of the reasons this story outshines

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other stories in season 13 is just the incredible set of guest

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characters, and I think that they're all really interesting. like

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Mobley and Winleton, they're all terribly disposable, but they're

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dead quite soon.

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But the humour is lovely.

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And yeah, they are well drawn for such small characters.

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And the tonality is exactly right.

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It feels genuine when they're in that base.

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Lovely designs too.

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But you've got Scorbi, Dunbar, Amelia Ducant.

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So Colin, Colin, the virtual new companion.

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They ask him off on the...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Wouldn't that have been great?

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It would have been terrific in Masks of Mandranger, wouldn't it?

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My wife is expecting me home fatigue.

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And they're all, they're all really fun and enjoyable characters

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and it really, really matters.

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You know, there's a kind of boy's own adventure approach where, you

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know, so long as people have guns and are sort of running around

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that imperil and stuff, that's entertaining enough.

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And that gave us planet of evil.

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characters, and really interesting relationships between

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characters.

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Keila and Scorbia are fantastic together.

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And Keila is wonderful.

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There's a scene where he ties up Stevenson in episode 2 and he

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says, excuse me before he comes.

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And then he says, sorry when he's finished.

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You know, he's delightful.

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Harrison Ford is absolutely uproar Harrison Ford.

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One of us was bound to do it.

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Harrison Chase is uproariously funny.

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There's that scene again in episode three.

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The crinoid's not in it.

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We're just introduced to Harrison Chase, you know, the doctor and

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Sarah are there and he's playing that terrible, terrible music

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absolutely straight.

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Not for a 2nd Is there a moment of self-awareness or anything like

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that in Chase's demeanour.

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He plays it completely straight and he's absolutely ridiculous.

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I also love, I think it's his very 1st line or close to it.

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What are you doing about the savage art of Bonsai?

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Mutilation and torture, Mr. Dunbar.

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For someone who, for someone who objects to Bonsai, there's an

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awful lot of topiary, you know, in his estate.

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Maybe he anaesthetises those plants first. before carving them

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into pyramids.

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I think you're talking about him playing it straight.

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Have you seen the Italian job?

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It's right to make...

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The original in the original...

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Is he called Camp Freddy?

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thank you.

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He is Camp Freddy in that and one of the best characters in it.

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So I think that there's some longevity in his character. clearly

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you know, he's clearly playing game.

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Oh, he's the anti-Mr. Humphreys from IUB, so...

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But it's a lack of humour and a lack of self-awareness, which is

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wonderful. a great villain.

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Yeah, he's hilarious, but at no point.

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Is he trying to make a joke?

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No Oh, no, but he has endless funny lines.

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Remember Dunbar explains that he's taking the bribe because all

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these, you know, worthless non-entities have been promotion above

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him.

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He just goes, yes, that must be most calling.

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He's just terrific. you know, in every scene he's in.

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And I think, I think the tension in the story, and I think the

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thing that saves it from the accusation of being too violent is

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that there are 2 things going.

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There is the professionals and there's, you know, everyone

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including the doctor carrying guns, you know, the private army, the

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mercenaries, the body horror and stuff.

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But then there's there's Amelia Ducart, and there's Colin, and

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then there's, you know, Harrison Chase, and there's the whole

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premise.

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The whole premise is utterly ludicrous.

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Like, all I can say, or all I can think when I see Harrison

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Chase's estate is, you know, overrun by men carrying machine guns

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is that the Chelsea Flower show must be just absolute hell in the

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late 70s.

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Why does he have a private army?

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You know, like, is it to prevent people walking on the grass?

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So the whole thing, that whole thing is so grotesque.

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You know, the eccentric millionnaire obsessed with plants and

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stuff and so silly that the script at least doesn't want us to

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read this as being in the real world.

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Is that is that fair?

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No, I think I think you are absolutely right there.

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And in a way, we're not even in the real world of Doctor Who

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anymore because we 1st see the doctor in this story.

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He is reporting to the World Ecology Bureau, at the BBC

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television.

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At the BBC television centre.

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It's the worldwide web.

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Yes, of course, yes.

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It's a nice segue, isn't it?

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Sarah and the doctors seem to have just come back to Earth and

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have been there for some little while since he's called in

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obviously back with unit, or at least hanging about a bit.

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Well, the thing is, he's not because his 1st response when he

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arrives and starts talking to Sir Colin is, where's the

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brigadier?

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So, and at least this time we get like one mention of the

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brigadier and that's it.

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We don't constantly have a sign showing his name as we did in the

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Android invasion.

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You know, it's not that tease for the audience.

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It's the brigadier is not in this one.

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And as we go through, we don't even get perfunctory appearances by

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anyone else from unit.

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At the end of the story, we do get, I think it's Major Beresford

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and Sergeant Henderson.

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Sergeant Henderson is really pretty, but a terrible actor.

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He's such a red shirt though.

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He's such at the moment he arrives.

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It does make me dead.

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It does make me wonder...

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It does make me wonder if Sergeant Benton was originally destined

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for the mulcher.

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Oh that would have been great.

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You know, and that would have, you know, I wouldn't want to see

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Benton go like that, but that would have added so much more to

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that last episode.

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Although you know what?

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I wouldn't have put it past home.

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Yeah.

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And well, the thing is, I would have loved to have then seen the

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doctor's reaction to that because, of course, we haven't had a

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companion die since Sara and Catherina, and even then the doctor

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didn't have that much emotional investment in them, and neither

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did we, as the audience.

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You know, having a long-running character being killed off, as

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they were considering writing out Sarah Jane at this time by

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killing her off, that would have been a terrible mistake.

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Oh, yeah.

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It absolutely would.

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But as we will see in a few months time when we're up to that

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point, when they do do that in the show, it does have a very

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strong emotional impact.

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Um, we're talking about Andre.

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Yeah, I'm not sure about that.

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So the one of the other huge characters of this story, of course.

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Amelia Ducan.

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Can I, again, pitch in and say Philip Hinchcliffe novelizes this?

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and it's a great novelisation, the Doctor Who and the Seeds of

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Doom novelisation, and he nearly completely cuts Amelia out.

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So we do get the scene, I think, where they consult Amelia about

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the painting in the boot, which is used to get them to the next

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plot, but she doesn't get to go undercover into Chase's mansion or

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any of that sort of stuff.

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That sounds brilliant.

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I know. so Hingescliffe thinks it's padding.

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And so here I think on the other side, where we've got the sort of

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camp silly...

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So an Avengers style, you know, world that we're in, the really

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gun, you know, world is what Hinchcliffe wants from it because he

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thinks of me is a waste of time.

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And I think it's what Douglas Canfield wants as the director as

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well.

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Well, we start off with ice station, Zebra, and end up in Day of

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the Truford Stone.

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Well, yeah, and also it's Howard Hawks and thing from another

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world.

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And this is the thing, 1951, yes.

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Yeah.

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And also, as we may discuss later, a certain Avengers episode

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called The Man Eater of Surrey Green.

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But we won't talk about that too much today.

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And that episode of, are you being served when they all bring in

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the pot plants?

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Yes, that's great one.

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So Amelia.

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She is just such a wonderful, wonderful character.

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Is it actually a merely a pond all grown up and old and now...

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No, it's Amelia Rumford, the same age.

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I wish it wasn't there.

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Why did none of these women end up going hanging about in the

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TARDIS?

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Because, you know, we could jump forward and say that Tom did want

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to play around with that kind of thing and have different people

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coming in.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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They teased him by throwing a line in and then just not carrying

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it through.

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To start it all off, in the 1st thing we see her, she is smoking.

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She smokes laser in, like, Chase's study and stuff.

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Yeah, she's smoking all the time.

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And, you know, I can't recall where we've seen a smoking character

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in Doctor Who since once or twice in the 60s. about the doctor

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smoking in the 2nd episode?

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Yeah, and of course, Ian carries matches, so there's an

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implication that he smokes.

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And of course, smoking isn't cool.

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Smoking isn't cool kids who are listening.

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But because she is a character seemingly from a bygone age, not

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just because of her age, but because of her demeanour, it evokes

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that sense of 1940s, 50s films and people in smoking parlours and

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what have you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm sure I'm sure that the actress insisted on it.

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Yes, it's Coolridge.

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And, you know, immediately she's set up as the type of character

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she is with that famous lift from the importance of being earnest

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when she's told the painting was found in a car boot.

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A car boot?

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A Daimler carbo.

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The car?

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Is it material?

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And yet Hinchcliffe saw that as padding.

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I'm starting to see the in a very different light, you know.

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This is not quite as glorious and fun and wonderful as I thought

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as a child.

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It is for its tonality and for its visuals and for doing fresh and

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exciting new things.

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But gee, is it time to have a little bit more lightness of touch?

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I think it might be, but it also goes to show that when the

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Hinchcliffe Holmes team, right in a main female character, you

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can't really count Tessa from the Android invasion because Tessa

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isn't really a main character in that.

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But when you've got viral, when you've got Betan, when you've got

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Amelia Dukan, when you've got the matron in Terror of the Zion.

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Sister Lemon, Sister Lemon, they're all characters who push the

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plot forward and have their own actions going on in the plot.

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And Amelia Dukar is probably the strongest example of that we've

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seen so far because she gets that whole spying mission, which we

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don't, it's so excellent because we don't know it's a spying

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mission.

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We think she's just turned up out of the blue.

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And then Sarah gets a message to her and you think, well, how is

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she going to get?

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Oh, she's been working for Sir Colin all the time.

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That's very Avengers as well.

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Yeah, it is.

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There's a hilarious scene at the very end where it is kind of

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Padding where they're just sitting in Sir Charles's office

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afterwards.

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She's volunteering to do other spy missions for the world ecology

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bureau in future.

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Wouldn't you have loved to have seen that spinoff?

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That would have been great.

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And she talks about her wartime experience and stuff.

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And we all raised it..

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So Colin and so Colin and Miss Dukar. would be so wonderful.

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Big finish. get on it Oh, no, it is a really strong guest cast.

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There's not a weak link in the bunch Do you know what really works

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though?

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What pulls it all together?

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Yes, the actors are great, but I keep coming back to the scoring.

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And I know that...

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Jeffrey Bergen is one of my all-time favourite.

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Yeah, he was a choral composer.

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We talked about this previously that he main thing in life was to

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write coral music and he and he did his musicology degree on

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Gregorian chance or coral chances.

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So this one is lovely.

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And again, we've got beautiful ancient instruments in this.

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We have a clever chord. and reads, which are then put through a

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synth.

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So it's still nice and woo-woo.

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And the microphone on the clever court.

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He had a clever court at home and what he would do at home is he

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would...

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That's what I was thinking.

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He would put the microphone inside the chamber of the clapper

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called right up against the wood that the strings were attached to

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and it would produce this very strange, metallic cold vibrato.

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Now the thing is, the sound engineers at the BBC refused to do

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that.

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They said it would damage the microphone.

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So they put it like a millimetre away and it completely changed

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the sound.

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He's like, it's not quite what I wanted, but those are those sort

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of pinging sounds we hear when we were in the Arctic.

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Also, he deliberately used classical musicians who he'd worked

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with before who weren't necessarily session musicians for

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television because Dudley always used session musicians.

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By using the classical musicians, he's like, that's how I got the

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sound I wanted because session musicians are all wonderful, but

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they're more specialists in modern techniques and I wanted people

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who are specialists in classic techniques to give this idea of

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being ancient and cold.

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Oh, because classical musicians are cold.

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Well, they also know how to listen to each other, possibly unlike

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our podcast.

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Yeah, there's a lot.

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Text toast, please.

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Exactly.

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There's a lot more tonality and inference and sympathetic, if you

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want to say that, between the musicians on this school, you can

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tell they're actually behaving as a chamber orchestra and not

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merely as a set of disparate parts.

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It's a beautiful score.

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It makes it work.

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The effect of it is, I mean, it is eerie and frightening.

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And again, but it's also somnambulistic and it's sort of rather

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gorgeous and you feel as if you're in a waking dream.

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Yeah.

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I think I think if we're going to, you know, say who's on the gun

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side in this story and who's on the frock side, do you know what I

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mean?

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Like if we've got Canfield and Hinchcliffe.

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Have you explained guns and frocks on this podcast before?

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I don't have at some point.

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I keep meaning to put a website up explaining.

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I own gunsandfrocks.com.

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So I shouldn't really put a web.

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How about we give the listeners a 102nd version of what it used to

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be a gun and what it used to be a frock?

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So it's 2 ways of watching Doctor Who that we talked about a lot

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when the new adventures came out.

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And the gun way is, you know, Doctor Who is a serious science

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fiction program, it's action adventure, it's got continuity, you

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know, it's at its best when it's sort of grim.

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And I guess, like if you think about earth shock, do you know what

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I mean?

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then you're thinking gun.

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Frock is Doctor Who is funny and occasionally silly, that it's got

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a lot of humour, that part of the fun of watching it is the fun of

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enjoying the sort of silliness and the campness of the program.

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Androids of Tara.

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Well, I'm actually thinking Beryl Reed in it.

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And so Gareth Roberts famously said of the new adventures that he

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wanted more frocks, less guns.

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And so this is a very gun story. in one sense, because a lot of

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people with guns, even the doctor carries a gun, you know, in the

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episode.

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I've got a problem with that as well.

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I haven't touched on that yet.

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But they do hang a lantern on the fact that Sarah says you'd never

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use it.

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Well, they don't know that.

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And it's that's, you know, still, like if he's carrying it. for

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that half of the episode.

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And so they're the gun things.

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I think Jeffrey Bergen has to go in the gun camp for this one.

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Just because his score heightens the horror.

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You know, there's no hilarious comedy plinky harp music or

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tubers.

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We got Harositos for that.

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And his and his craft verk organ.

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Green Cathedral.

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Kerry Blyton does not live here anymore.

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And, you know, the frock side would be would be Sir Colin and

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Amelia and...

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Yeah, yeah.

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And Dunbar skirts, the line, android.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, poor...

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Petticoat.

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Paul Kenneth Gilbert. poor Dunbar.

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Got chicken pox halfway through filming.

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And plague on this on this story, didn't they?

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People coming back.

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So what happened to him?

500
00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:40.019
Well, they just delayed the 2nd studio for about 3 weeks for him

501
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:40.440
to get better.

502
00:22:40.500 --> 00:22:41.519
Yeah.

503
00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:42.900
He's really great.

504
00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:46.500
There's a cliffhanger to episode four, which is when we 1st see

505
00:22:46.500 --> 00:22:48.059
the crinoid properly.

506
00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.359
So the crinoid's been the rubber mattress running towards the

507
00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:51.660
camera.

508
00:22:51.900 --> 00:22:56.099
But before that, it's been an axe on kind of in, sort of in a

509
00:22:56.099 --> 00:22:57.180
sparkly painted green.

510
00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:01.200
And you can see a fair amount of orange, though, there in close-up

511
00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:01.500
still.

512
00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:04.619
But then it turns into the giant rubber mattress.

513
00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:06.539
And I think that that cliffhanger is beautifully directed.

514
00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:07.500
It's shot at night.

515
00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:09.839
There's heats are black in the frame because it's Douglas

516
00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:11.400
Campfield, lots of shadow and stuff.

517
00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:12.299
Low angle.

518
00:23:12.299 --> 00:23:13.680
Low angle. with the thing.

519
00:23:13.740 --> 00:23:16.500
Sarah screams, you know, Dun Bun has just been killed.

520
00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:20.220
It's a really, really terrifically memorable cliffhanger and it is

521
00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:23.819
beautifully shot, like Canfield, maybe a gun, but those pictures

522
00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:27.299
that he creates are just they're welcome.

523
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.559
You know, really nicely, really nicely done.

524
00:23:31.619 --> 00:23:34.859
I like to think it's the fat bird from the end of Morecolm and

525
00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:39.119
Wise, you know, in a big latex Mumu running towards the camera in

526
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:39.480
the end.

527
00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:40.200
Thank you all.

528
00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:44.220
Thank you all for watching my little show tonight, Doctor.

529
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:49.140
Mark Jones plays voice at the crinoid, but you kind of, I kind of

530
00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:52.559
wish it had been Tony Beckley doing the voice, perhaps, in a

531
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:55.740
different tone, but maybe Tony Beckley only has one tone.

532
00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.000
You know, there is something so love craft in about the crime.

533
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:01.980
Yes, we haven't talked about love.

534
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.799
You know, it's a force from prehistory, so that's obvious enough.

535
00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:10.920
But also one of the big things about Lovecraft's monsters is that

536
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:15.480
they cannot communicate on the same level as humanity and the

537
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:20.160
crinoid only directly, verbally communicates once in the whole

538
00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:22.980
story when he's outside the cottage, you do say, give us the

539
00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:24.660
doctor and your lives will be spared.

540
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.660
Rue for one offer this weekend only.

541
00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:32.400
And then it communicates with Chase telepathically and we're never

542
00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:33.480
pretty to the conversation.

543
00:24:33.539 --> 00:24:36.240
Chase has sex with the crinole.

544
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.519
He has that wonderful Barbarella and Pyga moment in the woods and

545
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:43.440
he has the 8th all true.

546
00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:44.519
I get it all now.

547
00:24:44.579 --> 00:24:46.859
He's lying down there grip.

548
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:47.759
He is, isn't he?

549
00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:48.359
Oh, Italy.

550
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.940
I always thought that was stupid as a child, but this time I

551
00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:52.920
thought, oh, my God, you guess it now.

552
00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:54.599
There's a lot of tendrils in that guy.

553
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.740
But yeah, there is succulence.

554
00:24:58.859 --> 00:25:00.900
There is something for want of a better description.

555
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.559
There is something unholy and unnatural, a bounty.

556
00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:07.740
And for cunt in all its ripe and horrible glory.

557
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:09.119
Yeah, absolutely.

558
00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:09.539
Absolutely.

559
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.700
It's such an effective villain because of that.

560
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:14.279
Because, you know, the Wiran could be reasoned with because the

561
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:15.420
human portion was still there.

562
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.539
The human has been completely subsumed and consumed in the

563
00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:19.200
crinoid.

564
00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.619
You know, you can't reason with the Androids in the Android

565
00:25:22.619 --> 00:25:24.779
invasion, but just knock them over and their faces fall off.

566
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:25.259
You're fine.

567
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:29.700
But yeah, this is an enemy that's completely implacable.

568
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:33.720
And I think what we have here is we have the 1st of a new

569
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:39.119
tradition of season finale, because in the Barry Letts tradition

570
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:42.180
of season finale, it was throw everything in the kitchen sink, and

571
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:45.059
let's all have a fabulous time. unless you're a member of the

572
00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:45.359
audience.

573
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.920
In the Tom Baker era, the 6 parters are more about, let's

574
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.960
introduce a massive, massive threat that the doctor must work

575
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.180
harder than he's ever worked before to defeat it.

576
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:04.980
So in this, you know, he's got to eventually use methods he would

577
00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:07.799
never normally use calling in an airstrike against the crinoid.

578
00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:11.220
And, um, you know, next season, we'll see him go to Jurassic

579
00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:15.480
lengths and the invasion of time even. you know, drastic lengths

580
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:15.900
once again.

581
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.700
It starts to fall apart a bit after that.

582
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:22.740
And we don't really get season finales like that in the 80s.

583
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:27.359
So, but this is, this is the beginning of the, All bets are off

584
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:28.079
season finale.

585
00:26:28.140 --> 00:26:32.099
Oh, I think we have a time bubble circling round again.

586
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:34.259
Here he comes.

587
00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:38.640
The horror for Sarah Jane Smith continues in this episode.

588
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:43.680
And for the 3rd story in a row, she lists some of the obstacles

589
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.180
facing her.

590
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:50.339
We had burn up and reentry, suffocate on the way down, crushed on

591
00:26:50.339 --> 00:26:52.859
impact from the Android invasion.

592
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:57.720
We had blinded, attacked by a giant claw and falling down a flight

593
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:01.619
of stairs from the brain of Morbius, and here, at the end of the

594
00:27:01.619 --> 00:27:06.059
seeds of doom, she lists steam, threatened to be shot a number of

595
00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:10.619
times, almost blown up by a huge bomb in Antarctica, the crinoid

596
00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:15.420
in all of its form, and almost being turned into a crinoid itself

597
00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:19.740
and then she has to face the mincing machine.

598
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.380
And I'm not talking necessarily about Harrison Chase, but he does

599
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:24.180
attack Sarah and then put her into the machine.

600
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:29.099
So, do you think enough is enough, rather than comedy ending for

601
00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:29.640
the season?

602
00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:33.000
Do you think Sarah should have said, it's time to go, doctor?

603
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.000
She's into it.

604
00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:37.920
She's up for it.

605
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:38.400
She into it.

606
00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:38.759
She is.

607
00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:40.440
It's not just Stockholm syndrome.

608
00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:43.859
Sarah seems to really get a great kick.

609
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.980
Just how miserable must Croydon really be.

610
00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:52.380
She, of course, is going to lampshade it in her last scene in Hand

611
00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:55.619
of Fear, where she lists all of the things that you seek of

612
00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:56.220
happening to her.

613
00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.420
I actually think it's a mistake and I think it is comes completely

614
00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:04.259
from Hingecliff's misunderstanding of the premise of the show.

615
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.920
You would never, ever be able to do those things to Ian and

616
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.380
Barbara because we identified with them too strongly.

617
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:16.019
Oh, Audrey Fawkes Hamilton or Tom and Barbara in the good life.

618
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:18.359
It doesn't happen in other shows for a reason, Philip.

619
00:28:18.420 --> 00:28:21.839
Because it's unpleasant to watch, you know.

620
00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:27.180
And so Sarah has is becoming less of a character and turning into

621
00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:28.140
a plot device.

622
00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:31.859
Well, I actually thought more of an SM toy at this point, really.

623
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:32.880
Do you know what I mean?

624
00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:33.660
She's still likeable.

625
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:35.339
You know, the performance is fantastic.

626
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:35.819
All of that.

627
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.480
I actually mean that quite seriously, that if we did go to Sasha

628
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:40.440
Masakum.

629
00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:43.079
We've already mentioned Venus in Furs previously, is a great

630
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.920
seminal novel on the notion of the subversion of the female

631
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:52.200
archetype to a sexual dominant stereotype, but also one that is

632
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:55.799
the passive and the dominant become the one thing it's a complex

633
00:28:55.799 --> 00:29:01.079
thing, but she actually does become objectified in the most anti

634
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.099
feminist way you can imagine.

635
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.960
She's, she's a, a figure to be oppressed and dominated and

636
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.500
repelled and humiliated and tortured.

637
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.660
That's kind of not really great, Phil.

638
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:16.019
No, and I don't want to agree with that very much, but I think

639
00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:18.059
it's probably an unavoidable conclusion.

640
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.920
And given just the massive underrepresentation of women in the

641
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:27.119
entire era, the massive lack of interest that Hinchcliffe and

642
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:31.319
Holmes have, even in including women just for variety, maybe

643
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:34.799
you're right, that maybe there is something really unpleasant

644
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.519
about mistreating the female lead over and over again.

645
00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:41.279
Can you imagine any of this having been done to Joe Grant?

646
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.059
No, no.

647
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:42.539
No, no.

648
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:44.700
And I mean, Joe Grant did face horrors.

649
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.779
And I think this highlights the problem with getting rid of Ian

650
00:29:48.779 --> 00:29:52.440
Martyr because Joe faced horrors, but the brigadier faced horrors

651
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:52.980
alongside her.

652
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:54.960
And so did Mike Gates and so did Sergeant Benton.

653
00:29:55.019 --> 00:30:00.059
Now, if Harry was still there, he would be able to get, if you

654
00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:04.680
like, his share of the horror, like putting his foot in the clam

655
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.859
and getting tortured by Dav Ross and getting poked along by Vogans

656
00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:08.339
with gums.

657
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.220
Yeah, getting captured by Hilda Winters.

658
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.440
Yeah, those are all examples of things that happen to Harry losing

659
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:13.859
issues.

660
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:15.660
But terrible things.

661
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.680
You know, if he was there in that season and say in Brain of

662
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.500
Morbius, Sarah got blinded, but Harry fell down the stairs.

663
00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:23.279
Yeah.

664
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:24.960
In Terror of the Zygons.

665
00:30:25.019 --> 00:30:27.180
I mean, Harry gets shot and surrogates suffocated.

666
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.420
If that had happened to one character alone, that would be

667
00:30:30.420 --> 00:30:34.079
absolutely, absolutely horrible and horrific, you know?

668
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.500
There are other problems with getting rid of Ian Martyr in that

669
00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:40.079
he's just fabulous and they were really good triumvirate.

670
00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:43.259
But yeah, I think if you're gonna have the one companion.

671
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:47.640
You have to lessen the amount of jeopardy they are put in because

672
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:51.180
it just becomes unbelievable that they would allow themselves to

673
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:54.359
keep being put in this jeopardy, as we'll later see with Tegan

674
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:55.980
Tegan leaves for exactly that reason.

675
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.180
You know, I don't think the old show, the classic series asks

676
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:03.359
itself the question very much of why the companions are travelling

677
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:03.900
with the doctor.

678
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.599
And initially the premise was that they were doing it because they

679
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.940
couldn't get home because you can't control it.

680
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:13.559
But Sarah has had a couple of opportunities to leave now and the

681
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.799
show just doesn't even ask the question why he's travelling with

682
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:16.980
her.

683
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.519
And we could we can leap in and say, you know, Tom and Liz smile

684
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:21.299
at each other a lot.

685
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:25.259
So Sarah's travelling with the doctor because she really likes

686
00:31:25.259 --> 00:31:25.680
him.

687
00:31:25.740 --> 00:31:28.559
But the show never explicitly makes that claim.

688
00:31:28.619 --> 00:31:30.359
It really isn't interested.

689
00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:32.940
She's there because you need a female lead.

690
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:36.359
She's there because Liz Sladen's contract isn't up yet.

691
00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:40.680
You know, that's really the only reason why Sarah is travelling

692
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:41.160
with the doctor.

693
00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:42.539
Liz is fantastic.

694
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:43.259
Do you know what I mean?

695
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:47.160
Yeah, I mean, we're lucky that she is such a great character and

696
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:50.339
such a wonderful actress that we really like watching her.

697
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.220
And even when she's given these unrealistic, and I mean

698
00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:57.480
unrealistic in the sense of why you still there, things to do, we

699
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.420
still find her compelling and interesting and captivating.

700
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:06.240
But it's a detriment to the character and the thought processes

701
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:06.660
they're in.

702
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.559
It's an imbalance and it's a, yeah, a misdirection.

703
00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:12.240
She has an inquisitive nature.

704
00:32:12.299 --> 00:32:14.880
She's a reporter, but I don't know that that's enough to compel

705
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:15.599
the characters.

706
00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:18.599
And certainly they never suggest that that's the reason.

707
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:19.440
Do you know what I mean?

708
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:22.559
Not having to leap in and write our own reason.

709
00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:24.720
And there isn't really a good one, I think.

710
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:27.839
Quick question.

711
00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:30.960
Is this the best season we've had so far?

712
00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:31.619
No.

713
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.400
No?

714
00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:35.519
But it was a good one, but I'm really seeing last season as being

715
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.559
terrific for all its flaws and rushes.

716
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:41.640
And as Hinchcliffe was always complaining, always complaining that

717
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.720
the so many of his stories were inherited, and he didn't really

718
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:46.980
get to do what he wanted to do.

719
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:47.880
This is the 1st year.

720
00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:50.279
He said, we got to do exactly what we pleased.

721
00:32:50.339 --> 00:32:53.160
Well, I don't know that I'm completely pleased by.

722
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:54.660
No, I'm not.

723
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.039
And I'm really surprised.

724
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.500
Yeah, memory cheats.

725
00:32:58.559 --> 00:32:59.759
This is not how I recall it.

726
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:03.420
And of course, with him being such a satisfying villain, we

727
00:33:03.420 --> 00:33:07.500
actually get a kind of uncomfortably satisfying end for Harrison

728
00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:11.700
Chase as he's trying to, he's already tried to mulch Sarah and

729
00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:14.759
that hasn't worked, he's mulch Sergeant Henderson and he tries to

730
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:15.480
mulch the doctor.

731
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.299
Sarah saves the doctor again.

732
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.119
You know, she saves him several times in this story, once again.

733
00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:26.519
And in the course of the struggle, Chase gets knocked into the

734
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.339
multure, the doctor tries to pull him out, but Chase is trying to

735
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:30.240
pull the doctor in.

736
00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:33.059
So the doctor has to step away.

737
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:38.160
We get his wonderful deathly scream, which is an absolutely

738
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:39.059
beautiful.

739
00:33:39.900 --> 00:33:41.880
Yeah, you know, in terms of terror.

740
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:43.740
It's an absolutely beautiful sound.

741
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:47.880
And we then get, and I think this, it seeks to redress.

742
00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:50.339
I'm not sure if it's entirely successful, but it seeks to redress

743
00:33:50.339 --> 00:33:54.059
the balance of the season. with the doctor shell shocked that is

744
00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:55.740
saying I tried to save him.

745
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:56.220
He tried.

746
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:57.779
Eddie keeps saying I try.

747
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.099
I tried to save.

748
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:00.599
And he kept trying to pull me in.

749
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:01.140
Yeah.

750
00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:06.599
And for this doctor who has been so emotionally distant, as we've

751
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:11.579
seen in Pyramids of Mars, but can be so flippant, as well, and

752
00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:14.820
usually when he's faced with tragedy, he just sort of stares off

753
00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:15.539
into the middle distance.

754
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.619
It's a wonderfully human moment from Tom's doctor.

755
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.679
And I think it just enhances an already brilliant story.

756
00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:26.340
The acting in this is impeccable and that's what saves it

757
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:28.019
ultimately, that in the score.

758
00:34:28.139 --> 00:34:30.719
And there's so much love about this.

759
00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:34.500
It's difficult to say why it isn't quite as beautiful as I

760
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:35.280
remember it to be.

761
00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:38.159
It's a hell of a lot more enjoyable for me than Brain of Morbius.

762
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:40.739
Probably because visually it's so interesting and orally.

763
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.460
It's so interesting.

764
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:43.679
But no, it's certainly not my highlight of the season.

765
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.840
Should we talk about the last scene?

766
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:51.719
It might be the worst season closing scene, even vastly, vastly

767
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.659
worse than the Brigadier and Mike Yates.

768
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:57.300
Why wouldn't you wear a bikini in -20 temperature?

769
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:58.320
Or naked Benton.

770
00:34:58.380 --> 00:34:59.340
Naked Benton.

771
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:00.179
Naked Benton.

772
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:01.980
Yes, that's a great cliffhaker.

773
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:03.300
So this one tries to do the humour.

774
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.599
So they are heading off to Cassiopeia on a holiday.

775
00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:07.980
So Sarah's in a bikini.

776
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:13.019
They end up in Antarctica because the doctor hasn't reprogrammed

777
00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:13.800
the coordinates.

778
00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:18.239
Even though we went there by helicopter, as everyone knows.

779
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.900
Then they're supposed to say a funny line, which isn't funny.

780
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.360
So have we been here before or are we yet to come?

781
00:35:24.420 --> 00:35:25.860
Which isn't actually a funny line.

782
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.739
They're both desperately looking at each other to get the timing

783
00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:30.780
right, but they don't manage to do it.

784
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.699
So they don't manage to say it at the same time.

785
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:34.320
You know why they're so hysterical, though.

786
00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:36.420
The TARDIS prop roof had fallen in.

787
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:37.860
Yeah.

788
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.760
This is the last time we see the original 1963 on Earthly Child

789
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.760
police box Shell, and yes, dear listeners, it's been the same prop

790
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.980
all the way through just redressed.

791
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.300
So yeah, goodbye.

792
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.320
No, apparently it almost injured Liz Sladden as the roof fell in.

793
00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:54.420
And we thought, well, what else could happen to her at this season

794
00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:54.780
you know?

795
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:58.380
And then and then they do the just the most appalling fake laugh

796
00:35:58.380 --> 00:35:59.460
to win the season.

797
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.400
And of course, it's Antarctica, brilliantly lit.

798
00:36:02.460 --> 00:36:04.920
Antarctica doesn't have long days and nights in the doctor

799
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:05.639
universe.

800
00:36:05.699 --> 00:36:07.440
We've landed in the daytime.

801
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:10.019
It's really lit, and of course, it's just, you know, some

802
00:36:10.019 --> 00:36:14.639
haphazardly fake sprayed fake snow on sort of black dirt. really

803
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:15.599
really unconvincing.

804
00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:19.199
And so it is, I think, the worst season closing scene in Doctor

805
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:19.920
Who's history.

806
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:24.119
I think we're getting very close to picks and specs, aren't we?

807
00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:27.960
So, Nathan, what's your Jenny Laird award for this season?

808
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:31.440
Originally when I thought about this, I thought it had to be Bob

809
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:35.880
Holmes for rewriting Terrence Dix, but not rewriting Terry

810
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:36.360
Nation.

811
00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:39.000
But I have sort of said that before.

812
00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:42.300
And so I'm going to preempt all of your picks because I can just

813
00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.119
sense what's bubbling under the surface as I look across the table

814
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.320
at you, which is utterly wasting Ian Marta, completely

815
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:50.340
squandering.

816
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:50.760
Agreed.

817
00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:52.800
And he was such a terrific story.

818
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:56.159
He gets a really perfunctory farewell in terror of the cycons.

819
00:36:56.219 --> 00:37:01.739
He comes back in Android invasion, and he just, like, he doesn't

820
00:37:01.739 --> 00:37:03.059
say a word to the doctor.

821
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:07.860
Like, robot replica, Harry, gets to deliver some very boring.

822
00:37:07.980 --> 00:37:09.719
You know the script actually had a lot more involvement.

823
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.119
And Hinchcliffe cut it all out.

824
00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:12.900
Yeah.

825
00:37:12.900 --> 00:37:16.739
It was all in Hinchcliffe's behest and he and Holmes had yet

826
00:37:16.739 --> 00:37:18.059
another blue about it.

827
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.340
So I think I've heard something about this.

828
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.860
He just thought it was confusing or didn't.

829
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.320
No, he said, I don't emphasise Sarah, I believe.

830
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:26.460
He simply said that.

831
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.699
He said, I don't want the audience is exactly what you're saying.

832
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.760
I don't want the audience to regret something they've lost.

833
00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:33.840
Okay.

834
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:34.559
Yeah, yeah.

835
00:37:34.619 --> 00:37:35.099
Yeah.

836
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:36.840
Well, I mean, it just causes us to regret.

837
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:37.739
Of course it does.

838
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.900
Yeah, and you know, Sarah gets puzzling at the age of 10.

839
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:44.460
Sarah gets one line with him and then the rest of the time he's

840
00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:45.239
completely wasted.

841
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.780
And you've already said this episode, Brendan, how he would have

842
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:51.179
had a salutary effect on the tone of the whole season.

843
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.059
He and Scorpion, a Biffo, would have been true.

844
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:54.659
Would have been great.

845
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.780
He's funny, you know, he's lovely and he would have just lightened

846
00:37:57.780 --> 00:37:58.320
me.

847
00:37:58.380 --> 00:38:01.380
And Amelia Ducar in a Biffo would have been.

848
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.280
He would have taken her out for a lovely drink or something.

849
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:07.739
I was just taking her out, just take a butt at her and take the

850
00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:08.820
vice versa.

851
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:09.420
I spoke to you.

852
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:10.980
Okay, my Jenny Led award.

853
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:13.860
It's related to the Android invasion, which generally I quite

854
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:14.159
like.

855
00:38:14.219 --> 00:38:17.579
And I've already talked about the absence of the brigadier and how

856
00:38:17.579 --> 00:38:19.260
it's a cheat for the audience.

857
00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:22.260
So my Jenny later award is going to be this.

858
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.659
If you're going to have Patrick Newell in there at the end as

859
00:38:24.659 --> 00:38:27.960
Colonel Faraday, have him in the replica Earth as well.

860
00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:30.960
So his character is established, because I don't think that

861
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:32.699
Patrick Newell puts in a bad performance.

862
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:37.079
He's just given very, very generic, thankless material.

863
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:38.880
And if he hadn't been there from the beginning.

864
00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:42.059
It might have actually added a bit of mystery as well.

865
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.280
It's like, oh, we have a new military leader here.

866
00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:46.139
It's a bit of a coup too, isn't it?

867
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:47.579
Because of course he's famous for playing.

868
00:38:47.699 --> 00:38:49.559
He's famous for playing Mother in the Avengers.

869
00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:52.019
What's his character called again?

870
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:53.280
Colonel Faraday.

871
00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:58.199
So out of if Colonel Faraday and Major Beresford had a fight, who

872
00:38:58.199 --> 00:38:58.739
would win?

873
00:38:58.800 --> 00:38:59.880
I think Faraday.

874
00:38:59.940 --> 00:39:01.980
It's far more interesting than Beresford.

875
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.019
Beresford's got a great growly voice, though.

876
00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:08.219
He does have a great growling voice, but it's so one note, whereas

877
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:12.000
whereas Faraday, we in the sort of 5 lines he gets.

878
00:39:12.059 --> 00:39:14.699
We see him happy we see him impatient.

879
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.019
We see him.

880
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:17.820
No nonsense.

881
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.159
And you know, that is all through his performance, not through the

882
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:21.539
dialogue, Meryl Streep.

883
00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:24.539
There's a hole in my stomach.

884
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:26.400
Richard, what's your Jenny Leah?

885
00:39:26.460 --> 00:39:27.539
Is that how we lost all that weight?

886
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:28.920
Oh, poor old love.

887
00:39:28.980 --> 00:39:30.539
He was almost unrecognisable.

888
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:31.320
Yeah, yeah.

889
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:32.099
Yeah.

890
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:33.539
It's so odd.

891
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:35.760
I think we've covered it really certainly what you're saying.

892
00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:40.019
My Journey Led Award was really also the trouble with Harry, and

893
00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:40.920
then he's just not there.

894
00:39:40.980 --> 00:39:44.460
It was disappointing as a little boy and it's even more so now.

895
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:50.159
But really, the blinding of Sarah is so the Nadir. so the bottom

896
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.739
line of you've crossed that Hinchcliffe.

897
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:53.820
And again, as a child.

898
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.440
Well, I didn't see it.

899
00:39:55.500 --> 00:39:58.320
And I think if this story had been cared.

900
00:39:58.320 --> 00:39:59.099
Exactly.

901
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:00.239
She didn't see it coming.

902
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:01.139
Oh, thank you, listener.

903
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:06.480
Did you hear the collective sigh across the interwear, Pierce?

904
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.980
I was in the, yes, it was a texture in the force then.

905
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:12.059
It was all dark gray.

906
00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:16.199
If Brain of Morbius had been shown in Australia in the original

907
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:16.679
run.

908
00:40:16.739 --> 00:40:20.460
I don't know that I would have enjoyed this season as much.

909
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:25.920
It just, and simply for what's done to Sarah. drops it all out.

910
00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:26.460
So, yeah.

911
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:28.260
Okay, pics of the week.

912
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:32.340
This one isn't strictly Doctor Who related, but when I watched it

913
00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:35.460
it gave me a sense of part of this season.

914
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.460
It's a short film called Refuge.

915
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:42.300
And it is a short film that has been shot entirely with

916
00:40:42.300 --> 00:40:42.840
moonlight.

917
00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:43.800
Ooh.

918
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.219
It's set on an alien planet and to get a different lighting effect

919
00:40:47.219 --> 00:40:49.800
they shot with moonlight and reflectiboards reflecting the

920
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:50.280
moonlight.

921
00:40:50.340 --> 00:40:55.380
I can't say too much about it because it is only 7 minutes long.

922
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.159
What I found it very evocative of was Planet of Evil.

923
00:40:59.219 --> 00:41:02.099
So, it's up on Vimeo, will include a link to it on the website.

924
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:08.579
I will say that it does have a level of violence and a level of

925
00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:09.599
body horror.

926
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:12.300
So please be aware of that as you watch it.

927
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:19.559
I wouldn't say there was anything you couldn't put in an M15 film

928
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:21.539
probably a PG film, to be honest.

929
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:23.460
But yeah, I do recommend it.

930
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:28.559
Refuge, short film, shot entirely in moonlight, I believe 51,000

931
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.139
ISO to capture the lighting effect.

932
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:34.320
And just done with just 3 actors and minimal special effects.

933
00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:34.980
It's really good.

934
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.440
Well, my one is a little bit more prosaic than that.

935
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:40.559
Yours sounds intriguing though, Brendan, I have to say, I hear it

936
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.119
Richards, and like all of us, he has boxes of old issues of DWM

937
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:46.559
around the place.

938
00:41:46.619 --> 00:41:47.760
Yes we do.

939
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:53.579
And I'd subscribe to it and had it sent to me from, you know, at

940
00:41:53.579 --> 00:41:55.500
great expense from England.

941
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.820
It turns out that there is an app for the iPad, which is the DWM

942
00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:00.420
app.

943
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.179
It's vastly cheaper to buy individual issues.

944
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:04.800
They're weightless.

945
00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:08.820
You can have them with you at all times and they don't pile up in

946
00:42:08.820 --> 00:42:12.059
big dusty boxes in your in your attic.

947
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:13.980
So that's what I've been doing.

948
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:14.940
I've downloaded it.

949
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.460
I've got it with me at all times and so I don't even have to read

950
00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:17.699
it.

951
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.139
So can I recommend?

952
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.480
Can I recommend the DWM app for the app?

953
00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:23.219
That's actually great because I buy them and don't take them out

954
00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:25.139
of the plastic.

955
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:28.260
Yeah, I believe the subscription rate is $50 Australian for a

956
00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:28.500
year.

957
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.619
And if you would like to read the interview with Robert Banks

958
00:42:31.619 --> 00:42:36.119
Stewart, the writer of Terror of the Zigons and Seeds of Doom from

959
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:40.260
this season, that is an issue 443 because I had a quick look at

960
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:41.820
that in preparation for the podcast.

961
00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:43.679
Good to know.

962
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:48.539
Well, my pick is, again, Doctor Who related not, but sort of-ish

963
00:42:48.539 --> 00:42:51.420
and from my least favourite story of the season, brain of Morbius

964
00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:55.320
but I really love the antecedents of this story, and one of my

965
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:59.219
favourite takes on that whole wonderful universal period of horror

966
00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:03.360
which is a lovely filmmic thing in and of itself, and imbues so

967
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.480
much of this season's atmosphere, just as much in Seeds of Doom

968
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:06.659
actually.

969
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:11.760
Bill Condon is a director who's been around for about 20 or so

970
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:12.119
years.

971
00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:14.579
He's does really nice, interesting quirky little things off the

972
00:43:14.579 --> 00:43:15.059
fringe.

973
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.460
She did a beautiful film with Brendan Fraser.

974
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:21.780
Ian McCellen, and our very own Pamela Salem, called Gods and

975
00:43:21.780 --> 00:43:26.880
Monsters in the late 90s, which is the story of James Whale, and a

976
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.039
young man he met called Brendan Fraser.

977
00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:32.280
And it's mostly shot around a swimming pool.

978
00:43:32.340 --> 00:43:35.460
The director of Frankenstein and Bride of Frankenstein, and it's

979
00:43:35.460 --> 00:43:38.699
set around the filming of Bride of Frankenstein.

980
00:43:38.820 --> 00:43:43.320
It's just a beautiful story of old Hollywood and introduces a very

981
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:45.659
young Brendan Fraser, who is delightful in the part.

982
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.199
And yes, we have Pamela Salem as James Wales wife.

983
00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:51.840
A lot of odd things, gods and monsters, it's called.

984
00:43:51.900 --> 00:43:55.619
I saw it at a, at its premiere in Sydney at one of the film

985
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:58.320
festivals, and I asked Bill Condon, who was a sort of early

986
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.519
archetype of the hipster set in tweed jacket and big bushy beard

987
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.559
and he was very comely, and I asked him out afterwards.

988
00:44:04.619 --> 00:44:05.639
I said, what are you doing after this?

989
00:44:05.699 --> 00:44:07.440
And he said, queen of the Jews.

990
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:09.239
And I said, no, it's just a trick of the light.

991
00:44:09.300 --> 00:44:11.519
But that was the film he made next.

992
00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:12.719
I don't know if it ever got released.

993
00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:29.340
That's all the time we have for this season.

994
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.880
We will be back next week, but doing something slightly different

995
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.719
and Richard's talk of antecedents is actually what's inspiring us

996
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.800
next week, to have a look at the Avengers episode, the man eater

997
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.880
of Surrey Green.

998
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As a drink listener.

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So you have a week to track yourself down a copy of the episode.

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It is available as part of various series 4 Avengers sets.

1001
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They're available on DVD and Blu-ray from Amazon UK.

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It is actually on YouTube.

1003
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It is on YouTube. entirety, and I will put a link in the show

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notes so that you can prepare for next week's episode by watching

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it.

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There we go.

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Uh, because uh, Many believe that it has some very strong links to

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the seeds of doom.

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So we'll be exploring that as well.

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The week after that, however, we will be back on with the Mask of

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Man, Dragara, and Todd will rejoin us again for season 14.

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Until then, please check us out on Flightthrough Entirety.com, at

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FTE podcast on Twitter, and Flight Through Entirety on Facebook

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and iTunes, and we would like to thank the listeners who have left

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us reviews so far.

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We now have an aggregate iTunes rating.

1017
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So thank you very much for that because you need a minimum amount

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of reviews for that.

1019
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So thank you all of those of you who have left reviews so far.

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Until next week.

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Do take care of yourselves, and remember, no touch, Todd, could be

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dangerous.

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Good night.

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Good night.

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Good night.

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You've been listening to Flight 2 Entirety with Nathan Bottomley

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Brendan Jones and Richard Stone.

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This episode, playing it straight, was recorded on July the 11th

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2015.

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The next episode will be released on September 6th.

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Have you listened to Bondfinger yet?

1032
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Or are you yet to come to the Bondfinger website?

1033
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That wasn't an innuendo.

1034
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I'm going to go.

1035
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I see you next week.

1036
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Well, I'm sick of being trapped in my time, Bubble.

1037
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So I'm off to the Mandraggera Helix.

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They've promised me a way to get back to earth in time for season

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14.

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Let's see if I make it.