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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast.

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You're sick of being cold and wet and hypnotised, left, right, and

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centre, savage by bug eyed monsters, never knowing if I'm coming

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or going or being.

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And boy, are we sick of that Sonic screwdriver.

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I am Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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Are you all right, darling?

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And I'm Todd.

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And I'm worried about you, though.

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Are you okay?

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I'm fine.

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I just want my hair washed and to feel human again.

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And it's not for a lack of shampoo. for a lack of hair.

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We are onto one of the most memorable stories of the run of Doctor

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Who.

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It is the most recent story shown on, in his most recent classic

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Doctor Who story shown on BBC 4, in fact.

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It is the hand of fear.

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Well, this one's mine, and it's terrible, isn't it?

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It really, really is totally bad.

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Can I just say, the script falls through from Dougie Campfield to

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write out Sarah Jane Smith?

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So, oh, I know, we're going to go to our dynamic duo of Bob Baker

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and Dave Martin.

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They're going to be great to write out Sarah Jane.

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So Dougie Campfood was going to write the script.

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Is that the story?

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writing a script that involved Sarah dying in the end.

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She's going to be killed off, some sort of...

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That was a terrible idea, though.

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Yeah, it was called, it was called the Red Fort, and it was going

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to be based around the French Foreign Legion.

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It was initially thought to be the finale of the last season.

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They were thinking about writing Sarah out in that story.

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And then, you know, they were thinking about mulching her in Seeds

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of Doom.

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Were they really?

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Yeah.

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That, that, that's part of the reason the mulchers in the script.

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They were going to mulch.

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They were going to mulch Sarah Jane.

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Why do people like him?

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Well, that's the thing.

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I think once they realised once it's like, hey, let's have a

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multure in there.

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Hey, let's put the compa- Oh maybe not.

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No, they could have done the alternative, which was actually to

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turn her into the crinoid and force the doctor then to blow her up

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with it.

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With the airstrike.

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Oh, really?

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I mean, they're not going to kill Sorenson in Planet of Evil

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mulching Sarah might be a good idea.

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That really frigging annoys me.

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I don't get to say it.

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It annoyed us as well.

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Don't worry.

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We mentioned it.

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Instead, with the red fort.

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I can't remember if there was even going to be an alien

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influence.

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It may have just been a historical, but Sarah was going to die at

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the end.

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The French Foreign Legion were going to sort of give her a full

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military funeral with honours for fighting alongside the Legion

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and the doctor was going to leave alone because, you know, this is

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a fun family program.

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Thanks, Dougie.

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But this script, this script had been around for a while as well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And also had, I think, the brigadier from the future or something

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sacrificing himself.

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It was it was also going to be like 6 parts.

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Castria was called Omega 3 or Omega 3, and Bob Holmes had to point

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out to these writers that there's a character called Omega.

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Omega?

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Oh, my God, whatever, who they actually wrote it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Not only that, when Dave Martin comes back much later to write 4

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canine kids books, he's got a villain in that who's this tall guy

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in a mask and a cloak called Omegon.

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Omegon, brilliant.

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That's his brother, actually.

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A little known figure in Time Lord history.

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So back in the 70s.

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You know, Bob Baker and Dave Martin wrote some decent things.

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I, you know, Clause of Axos is all right, I suppose.

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They were kind of accused of having too many ideas and not

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developing any of them, remember that?

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But here, that got no ideas at all.

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There's really, really nothing going for this.

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So it's set on Earth, at least in theory, but this version of

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Earth consists of a quarry, the most underpopulated hospital

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you've ever seen, and a nuclear power plant.

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At no point are we anywhere in anything recognisable as Earth, as

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far as the people at home are concerned.

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You know, the quarry has the most lamentably poor security

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procedures you've ever seen.

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Sarah gets dug out, you know, clutching the hand.

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She's carried off by 2 of the most leisurely kind of slow moving

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paramedics in television history.

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She gets taken to a deserted hospital that consists of, you know

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like a corridor, um, and really that's about it. 3 flats, you know

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reconstructed for like 2 different sets, one with, is it Rex?

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Yeah, Rex Robinson's back.

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And he's lovely.

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He's Gebek.

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He is lovely.

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Tyler.

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But I agree with you completely, Nathan.

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It's like this cliche little set piece to get from here to here to

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here to get to the nuclear power station.

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Nothing is real.

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It ties into what I was saying in the last podcast that Sarah Jane

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has become not a real character.

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We're not really in a real situation.

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It's just for moments and nothing much more than that.

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And Bob Baker and Dave Martin.

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My god.

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I have this theory, and the theory is they write 2 good episodes

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of Doctor Who, a season, you've just got to find them among the 4

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or 8, you know?

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Thank God in the next season.

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That's all I can say.

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But they're just...

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Philip Sandafar has this theory that people's television careers

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see them gradually get worse at writing for television. as

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television evolves.

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Do you know what I mean?

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So someone who's quite a good writer in the early 70s is not quite

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so good a writer, sort of later on.

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And certainly these later Doctor Who's that they do are pretty

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terrible.

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But this, I think, oh, well, there's underworld next year.

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But this, I mean, this is really, really bad.

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There's no characters to speak of.

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You know, there's Dr. Carter, who is very charmingly played by Rex

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Robinson.

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You know, he's really very likeable, but he has nothing to do.

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And all he's there for is to plummet to his death.

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I mean, what a horrible, horrible thing.

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Well, he gets some nice lines with the doctor doing the exposition

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about the nature of the hand.

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But yeah, but then he grabs a big rubber spanner and sort of

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lunges at the doctor and falls off a catwalk.

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And that's really terrible and awful, you know, why does that

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happen?

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And then you get Professor Watson, you know, he's basically our

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only other human character, and he's just a sort of base commander

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but it's also undeveloped that really nothing very much can be, you

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know, said about him either.

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So it's really thin.

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There's hardly any guest cast at all.

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I mean, you've got his assistant woman up in the control box, which

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I think is the director's wife, and they had to develop that

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character, which was originally a man, and they made it into a

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woman.

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Thank goodness there's a woman.

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It's Ms. Jackson.

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She's fabulous.

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Yes, yeah.

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And then there's that unfortunate dude whose name I can't think of

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at the moment.

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Driscoll?

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Yeah, who goes into the nuclear reactor.

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He's got great pants.

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Okay, I'm just gonna jump in here and say, I really like this

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one.

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We haven't finished.

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I'm not finished.

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Okay, I'm just, I'm just foreshadowing, so carry on.

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I need to go back to episode one.

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Yeah, right?

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Because I hate the Andy-Pandy outfit.

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It is one of my least favourite outfits on Sarah Jane after a

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season where I think she's looked dynamic.

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I just want to just go, ah!

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But Rex Robinson actually has some dialogue in there about how

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crummy it is.

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Remember, he's on the phone and she's escaping.

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She's wearing a pink overalls thing.

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Yes, yes, like Andy Pandy.

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Like someone has clearly snuck that into the script after seeing

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the costume that she's been given.

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Well, I think she's had some really wonderful outfits.

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I love terror of zigons, that the green thing.

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The green thing is great.

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I really like the little blue outfit in evil.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. with the scallop sleeves.

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Yeah, dress in Pyramids of Mars.

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I adore the pink thing in Android invasion and she looks fantastic

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in the last story and in Seeds of Doom.

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I'm not a big fan of Brain of Morbius, but I think, you know, what

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the hey.

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I thought I liked that.

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I think you did like that one, but, you know, I just think this is

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one of her worst ones.

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And I kind of looked at it and I kind of thought, what is that?

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And she puts some of that white thing later on in the story.

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And even as a kid, I went, that's a Joe Grant thing.

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It is.

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It's actually Katie's coat from the Green Day.

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It is Joe Groundsco.

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It is the original.

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But can I go back to the beginning and it's like, you know, poor

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Sarah Jane Smith.

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Since the Android Invasion, she's been giving us lists of

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everything that she's been put through, like in the Android

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Invasion, like she just, like, we're either going to burn up in

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the atmosphere, suffocate, be crushed to death, in the brain of

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Morbius.

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I've fallen out a flight of stairs, menaced by a huge claw and

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blinded.

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Then in the seeds of doom, I think it's going to be blown up, shot

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minced machine, managed by the crinoid, you know?

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And now here, we walk out into the quarry and the whole wall, the

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whole side of it just blows up and she's buried alive.

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Even the doctor's not buried alive.

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She's put through another trauma and later on in the story, she

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gets the gas at her.

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She almost falls down some huge crevice, you know, she's going to

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walk into a nuclear reactor.

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You know, this poor woman.

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Poor, poor woman.

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And this is what we've been saying.

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The fact that she doesn't really respond to any of these things

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beyond sort of vaguely bitching about them makes her less right

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real as a person.

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But, I mean, this is in an environment where nothing is really

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real, I think.

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But I'll say this.

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I love Elizabeth Staten, and I just think she does a wonderful job

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despite these unreal situations to try and give this character

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believability.

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Let's move beyond Sarah in the setting and let's actually talk

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about the aliens.

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So we actually open on the planet Castria, which is very cheaply

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realised.

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It's a couple of people in anorax growling and shouting doing

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Stephen Thorne impersonations.

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Yeah, it's so cheap that one of them is Roy Skelton.

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Oh really?

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They only have one set of gloves for the costumes.

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The other one actually has to have mittens, so you don't take

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pants.

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And it's really just the most involved way of executing someone.

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I don't know.

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Can you not shoot a castro in the head or something?

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Or just electrocute them?

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And it's 5 minutes.

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Like I actually sit there going, 0 my goodness, this is still

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going on.

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Like in a new series, this would be a pre-credits.

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Yeah, take 20 seconds.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So they have to shoot him into space and then explode him by

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remote control, even though they've got no power and no resources

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and the whole planet's falling to pieces.

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Yeah, and you know what?

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Planets falling to pieces.

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We find out later they know their planet's dying anyway.

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Why did they have to shoot him off into space?

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Why not just blow him up on the surface?

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So this is another thing too.

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It is one of the things that Holmes does during his tenure script

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editor, is introduced just any number of villains who are

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criminals from the past.

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And so last year we had Morbius, who was not sufficiently executed

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enough by the time laws.

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Now we have Eldrad, who's not sufficiently executed enough by the

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Castrians.

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We've had Soutec, of course, who was not... who wasn't executed.

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Cuted enough by sirens.

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And we are actually going to have coming up in the end of the

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series just for change, a criminal from the distant future instead

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of the distant past.

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So this is something that happens over and over again.

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And here it's so much like Morbius that it is just completely

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lacking in sort of inventiveness or imagination, I think.

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Now, Richard hasn't commandeered Todd's time bubble, but he has

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sent me a text.

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He wants me to mention, which is, of course, we have another

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transgender character in Doctor Who in the form of Eldrad.

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You know, that's like I like Judith Paris as the monster.

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And I don't like Stephen Thorne because his costume is terrible

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and it's Stephen Thorne and he just shouts and he's completely one

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node.

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And they even address it in the dialogue of, like her, couldn't

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stand him.

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Yeah, yeah, but did you think that that was odd at the time as a

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child?

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You know what I mean?

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I would have had no experience at all with trans people back

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then.

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It didn't strike me as strange.

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As a child.

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It didn't strike me as that, you know, you did have David Bowie

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and Ziggy Stardust and that sort of androgynous sort of look, and

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that's where I think as a child, I kind of thought that's where

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Judith Paris took it.

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They treat her voice, don't they, to lower her?

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Yes, yes.

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But to sort of say that it's a trans thing.

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Like, that's very, like, taking what is very relevant now. and

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putting that back onto what was then.

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They would never have gone into that thinking that this is going

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to be a trans person or anything like that, you know?

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I mean.

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No, but it's much like, it's much like the relationship between um

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between Giuliano and Marco.

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The trans community did exist in the 70s, but was far less visible

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than it is now, just like the gay community lesbian community

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whichever rainbow community you want to mention.

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But I think a very telling thing here, of course, is that Eldrad

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is quite surprised by his new form when he is the Judith Paris

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Eldrad.

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So there is an element of being trans in there because one of a

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definition of trans is when your body gender does not conform with

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your internal gender and 21 out there who is trans and if I'm

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getting the terminology wrong, I do apologise.

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But yeah, I think for Doctor Who to do that, especially when today

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we still have all these violent or vehement debates about whether

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we could have a female doctor.

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You know, for me as a kid, Eldrad changing gender wasn't a weird

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thing because the doctor had changed face.

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So why can't you change from male to female?

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I didn't necessarily find it a weird thing?

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It was just a monster thing.

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And I thought, oh, that's original, that's a twist, that's

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different, you know, that's the way I saw things, you know?

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What do you think is the purpose behind it?

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It is a bit strange.

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I mean, she's supposed to like have modelled herself on Sarah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it at least gives us a war.

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Yeah, I think I think it's the whole woman thing and I think it is

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a twist on the thing.

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Oh, everybody's going to expect that it's a man.

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Because it always is.

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And this time that's the twist.

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And I think that's why they did it.

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But I do take it now that if somebody who is trans, who might be

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very young, like, you know, I'm talking in their teenage years, to

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watch a show like this now to see this sort of thing, maybe that's

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something that, you know, they would identify with or, you know, go

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oh, wow, you know, look at this.

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Obviously at the time, something never crossed my mind.

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Oh yeah, and you know what?

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I am reasonably sure that Philip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes had

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no idea of that possible, possible connection with it.

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But yeah, I think it's a very good decision for the show because

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we've had one trans or gender queer character before in the form

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of Alpha Centauri, who is identified as having no gender, but has

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the voice of the feminine gender.

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Oh, he gets he gets masculine pronouns.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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So there's a sort of trans element or gender queer element there.

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Not only does Judith Paris give a great performance, but there are

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elements of both gender in her performance as well.

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Tom absolutely adored her, and you can see that he cannot keep his

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hands off her.

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He's constantly carting her around.

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He's constantly touching her.

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I've never seen a picture of her outside of the makeup.

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That's right I'd really love to know actually what she looks like

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but I think the performance is absolutely stunning and it's what

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saves the middle part of this story, in my opinion, her

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performance. and the connection that she begins to have with the

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doctor and with Sarah. and how manipulative the character is, and

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it has to adapt to its situation to get what it wants.

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And that's one of the aspects of this story that I really, really

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like.

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There's one beautiful shot of her, where she's in the TARDIS, and

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they've just landed on Castria, and the doctors opened up the

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scanner, and she's standing in front of the scanner, but you can't

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see, like she's just in front of the scanner, all that you can see

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is her standing in front of that sort of miniature blasted

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landscape.

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And I think it's, you know, really well framed.

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In fact, one of the things this show does have going for it is, of

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course, it's Lenny Maine, who's directing.

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And there's a lot of film work and particularly the film stuff

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when Sarah and Driscoll are both possessed wandering around the

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nuclear reactor.

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And it's like there's some kind of fisheye lens or something and

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it's shot in really uncomfortable close-ups and it really makes a

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character who, you know, we're normally reassured by in Sarah

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really quite sort of alien and disturbing looking in those

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scenes.

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So there are moments of good direction, I think.

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No, I agree with you.

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I think the direction saves a lot of this. at times I don't know

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whether it saves it.

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Well, it holds it together when it should be just falling to

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pieces, you know?

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I can forgive this story a lot.

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Probably by Judith Paris' performance, knowing, in hindsight, it's

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Elizabeth Sadden's final performance.

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Except it's not, though, is it?

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We get her for years and years to come.

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But at the time. at the same time.

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Those last minutes in the show.

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Well, before we come to that, though, can we talk about how

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terrible Castria is?

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Well, can I just say how terrible Castro is?

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What a boring place it is.

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The set's really terrible.

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It is, again, no, because Leisure Grotto with a bottomless pit.

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We defeat Eldrad by tripping him with the doctor's scarf so that

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he falls into a pit.

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It really is just terrible.

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And Stephen Thorne's trip is terrible itself because he doesn't

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trip.

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He steps over it and then they just cut to him falling down.

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And then they throw the doctor throws the ring down after him.

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I mean, that makes a hell of a lot of sense guys.

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So, I mean, all of that's kind of terrible.

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But I want to step back for a minute and hear Brendan's spirited

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and full-throated defence of this story.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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That's another thing.

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The hand in the box, is that modelled after Stephen Thorne or

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somebody else?

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Oh, I don't know.

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I suspect it's modelled after one of the visual effects crew.

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It doesn't look like Stephen Thorne's hand.

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It doesn't look like Judith Paris's hand.

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Thorne has 6 fingers on each hand.

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Did you know that?

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Yeah, yeah, I did.

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Yeah, he got one of them from Reg Whitehead.

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But I'm just saying if Eldred's normal form is a male, shouty like

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Stephen Thorne, should it look like him?

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Shouldn't a hand look like him, not something completely

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different?

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It's sort of a man's hand.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And by then we haven't seen Stephen Thorne, so...

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I think one of those...

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The thing, the problems with his is the fact that Stephen Thorne

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never saw Judith Paris in studio.

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They never saw each other in the studio.

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Yeah, of course.

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It was only at the rap party dinner that they actually saw each

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other.

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So you were me, darling.

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And I kind of think that's...

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I think that you were me.

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I think that's a mistake.

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Yeah, they should have been discussed on to have a look to see

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what she was doing.

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Because I actually do quite like...

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He could have picked up some acting tips from that.

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But I do quite like the fact that when he comes out of the

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regeneration thing he talks about, he goes, doctor.

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Sarah.

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I always like it when the baddies, you know, have a connection

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with, you know, the companion, you're like, you know, that's kind

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of nice, but go ahead, Brendan, defend away.

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You know, I want to hear it.

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Okay, as I said, I quite like the story.

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So we arrive on earth.

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We are now in timeline number two.

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Todd, you haven't heard our Pyramids of Miles podcast yet, but

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suffice it to say I've solved the unit dating problem, and Sarah

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is now slightly in the wrong timeline.

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Moving on.

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So we have the whole quarry accident.

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Quarry falls on Sarah, et cetera, et cetera.

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I like the scene in the hospital.

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Yes, you know, it's very sparsely populated.

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But I love the doctor's scene with the doctor in the hospital and

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the whole discussion about, oh, Gallifroy.

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I haven't heard of it.

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Maybe it's in Ireland.

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I think that's the 1st time we get the island gag.

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He's a terrible actor, that guy.

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No, I think he's very good because to him there's nothing

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extraordinary about what is happening.

484
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No, no, no, no.

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The dialogue is fine.

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The actor is not good.

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That's all continue.

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Thank you, Mr. Beal.

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Moving on, you know, we then get Rex Robinson, who is, of course

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fabulous.

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And yeah, I love the idea that the doctor has just grabbed, you

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know, your everyday pathologist in a hospital and introduced him

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to the idea of silicon life.

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Yeah, I'm not saying this is a brilliant story by any means. saying

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I like it.

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We go to the Nunton power complex, and I think they missed a trick

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there by not having the Newton power complex from the claws of

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Axos kind of drawing at full circle there.

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I really like Glenn Houston's performance as the director there.

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I like his interplay with Miss Jackson.

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I even like the cliche thing of calling home and kiss the children

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for me.

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Kiss the children for me.

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It is really cliche.

505
00:21:48.299 --> 00:21:51.480
It is really cliche, but he performs it so well.

506
00:21:51.539 --> 00:21:54.960
It's not histrionic, and I know he's a bit of an idiot, you know

507
00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.359
shooting at Eldred and not listening to the doctor and blah, blah

508
00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:01.740
blah, but he's also a genuinely heroic character in that he's

509
00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:03.000
facing down his death.

510
00:22:03.059 --> 00:22:04.859
He demands that everyone leaves.

511
00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:08.819
You know, someone has to stay in case things can go on and Miss

512
00:22:08.819 --> 00:22:12.599
Jackson tries to say he's like, no, you have to go as well.

513
00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:15.119
And then he has the moment calling his wife.

514
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:18.119
It's a very heroic moment because it's not about comforting

515
00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:18.660
himself.

516
00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:23.519
It's about comforting the people around him and thankfully he

517
00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:24.480
survives at the end.

518
00:22:24.539 --> 00:22:27.000
You know, if he had been killed by Eldrad.

519
00:22:27.059 --> 00:22:29.819
I think that would have been even worse than Sorenson surviving.

520
00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:31.680
I don't disagree with you.

521
00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:32.880
I actually agree with you on this.

522
00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:37.079
I think that I actually like his performance. and I like all those

523
00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:38.220
things that you've commented on.

524
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:42.839
We've got Judith Paris, of course, and her wonderful interplay.

525
00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:45.000
Yeah, she's got the great interplay with Tom, but you've come to

526
00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.059
expect Tom to have a really good interplay with the villains.

527
00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.240
Like Tom always seems to step up his game a bit in the villain

528
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:51.599
scenes.

529
00:22:51.660 --> 00:22:55.140
What we get here that we don't really see elsewhere is Sarah

530
00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:57.839
getting really strong interplay with the villain.

531
00:22:57.900 --> 00:23:03.059
In Doctor Who stories, where the villain overtakes the companion's

532
00:23:03.059 --> 00:23:05.700
body or bases himself on the companions form, say, look at New

533
00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:06.299
Earth.

534
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.420
There's sort of lots of commentary from Cassandra in New Earth

535
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:12.180
about the eccentricities of the body and whatnot.

536
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:15.240
Whereas Eldra just goes, oh, you know, it'll do, I suppose.

537
00:23:15.299 --> 00:23:17.220
I have to slub it.

538
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.039
The thing I really like.

539
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:25.740
The crux of it is, you know, when they meet Morbius, they taunt

540
00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:28.380
him and then push him off a cliff, and when they, when they with

541
00:23:28.380 --> 00:23:31.440
Stigren, they taunt him and, you know, flip him into a virus, and

542
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.839
they're always taunting the villains.

543
00:23:33.900 --> 00:23:36.000
But in this situation.

544
00:23:36.059 --> 00:23:39.000
They get 2 episodes of the villain being like another companion.

545
00:23:39.059 --> 00:23:40.859
That's something new.

546
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.259
You know, all the things you said that are wrong with the story

547
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:46.559
the uneven pacing, cliche, the lack of focus.

548
00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:47.759
I agree that they're there.

549
00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:54.779
But as always, what Bob Baker and Dave Martin do is they bring a

550
00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:55.259
new idea.

551
00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:58.619
And it's not necessarily the best fleshed out idea.

552
00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:01.619
You know, we've just had Louis Marx giving us a great historical

553
00:24:01.619 --> 00:24:04.259
runaround and before that, we had Robert Banks Stewart.

554
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.740
Yeah, it's certainly not as good as those other 2 stories.

555
00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.259
But that idea is intriguing.

556
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:15.059
I'm glad Doctor Who don't do it all the time, but the idea of a

557
00:24:15.059 --> 00:24:16.079
villain coming along.

558
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.380
Kind of coercing, but not really coercing the doctor.

559
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:21.359
The doctor's still happy to help in a fashion.

560
00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:25.079
The idea of a villain coming along as a companion is very

561
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:25.619
interesting.

562
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:28.079
And the story leads and builds to that.

563
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:32.099
And then we get the traditional villainy comeuppance at the end.

564
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.079
No, I think it's really good.

565
00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:35.220
Okay.

566
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:39.720
So I think I agree with you on all that you've said, like in terms

567
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:41.819
of those positives in the story.

568
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:46.559
And I really do like that, which is why I forgive this story a

569
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:46.740
lot.

570
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:48.599
I see all of its negatives and I do like it.

571
00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:50.819
I like the teaming up with the villain.

572
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:51.720
I think that is good.

573
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:54.000
But what we do need to talk about is the final scene.

574
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:58.920
So we've had, we have a moment where earlier on, I think it must

575
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:02.700
be episode three, where the doctor is going into the complex to

576
00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:05.400
meet Eldred and Sarah follows him.

577
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:07.140
And the doctor's not very demonstrative.

578
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:10.500
You know, in fact, a lot of the time he's really distant and he

579
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:13.019
doesn't show much affection towards Sarah.

580
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:15.180
He's a little bit like Capaldi and Jenner, I think.

581
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:15.960
Do you know what I mean?

582
00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:18.539
You don't actually see, there's no physical affection between

583
00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:18.900
them.

584
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.480
He's frequently kind of short with her and things.

585
00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:25.740
But there is, there's that little moment where they say that they

586
00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:26.940
worry about each other.

587
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.420
You know, I worry about you and she says, well, I worry about

588
00:25:30.420 --> 00:25:30.660
you.

589
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:35.400
And that's, you know, as close as we get to them kind of

590
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:37.740
expressing how much they love each other.

591
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.859
And it is that thing, you know, I've said that it's essentially

592
00:25:40.859 --> 00:25:44.039
poor writing that Sarah has kept following him into the TARDIS.

593
00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:48.539
But within the show, it is because she really likes him.

594
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.420
And she's the longest serving companion.

595
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.460
Is she definitely the longest serving companion?

596
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.019
Distance.

597
00:25:55.019 --> 00:25:57.000
Yes. from her start to her end.

598
00:25:57.059 --> 00:25:59.339
Yeah, in terms of episodes?

599
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.539
No, no.

600
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.160
Yeah, yeah, it's still...

601
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:03.720
Fraser Heinz has more, yeah.

602
00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:04.019
Yeah.

603
00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:09.240
Janet might have more time because there's a big gap between...

604
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:10.440
Moncopolis in season 19.

605
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.519
And Castraval.

606
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:12.059
Right, right.

607
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.660
But and she had a very short gap between her 1st and 2nd season

608
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:16.079
too.

609
00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:17.640
L years.

610
00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:23.400
I really, if you go with 3 seasons +2 on, yeah. that is more.

611
00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:27.660
And, you know, since the 60s, you know, she's done more than Joe

612
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:28.920
She's been here for a long time.

613
00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:31.799
She's, you know, introduced us to Tom Bacon.

614
00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:33.660
She was the 1st companion I ever saw.

615
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:39.000
And so, remember, Brandon got a bit emotional when Pertry left

616
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.319
even as we were discussing it.

617
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.140
And I said at the time, that never happened to me when the doctor

618
00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:45.720
changed, but it always did when the companions changed.

619
00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:49.500
And this was the first time that I had ever seen that happen.

620
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:51.779
And I was inconsolable.

621
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:57.420
And this time I held it together, because I know that she's, she

622
00:26:57.420 --> 00:27:01.140
goes on, she'll be back in the 5 doctors and venture, we are lucky

623
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:05.099
enough to have her for, you know, the Sarah Jane adventures for

624
00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:05.880
all those seasons.

625
00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:11.279
So we know that this isn't the end of Lee Sladen's time as Sarah

626
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:12.299
Jane Smith.

627
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:14.880
But it is a pretty good scene.

628
00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:21.240
It's a tremendous scene and I remember as a kid, as this was

629
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.240
unfolding, I was just there going, this isn't happening.

630
00:27:24.299 --> 00:27:27.839
I was like in my own self and I was trying to hold back tears.

631
00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:31.440
I was blubbering, like, you know, and I went to bed, just

632
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.160
distressed, and I remember having dreams, rewriting the end of

633
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.019
this so that she would not leave.

634
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.400
Like I was that devastated by the whole thing. convincing myself

635
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:46.259
that next episode that there'll be some rewrite and somehow that

636
00:27:46.259 --> 00:27:47.400
he'll go back and get it.

637
00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:48.900
I just couldn't cope with it.

638
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:54.539
She does overact a little bit in it, and it is partly because the

639
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:55.799
character is bunging it on.

640
00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:57.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

641
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.240
So she lists all the terrible things that have happened to her and

642
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.880
she's going to leave, but she's just waiting for that Florana

643
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:03.900
moment, isn't she?

644
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:04.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

645
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:06.720
Florana or cassiopear?

646
00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:07.859
Yeah.

647
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:09.240
And it just doesn't come.

648
00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:14.039
And Tom is, again, it's hard to imagine like David Tennant not

649
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:18.059
hugging or mugging or, you know, all of those kinds of things, you

650
00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:21.359
know, because he's so demonstrous, but Tom, like Tom even just

651
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:25.440
does this sort of monosyllambic bye, you know, as she walks out.

652
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.160
And then we get the, you know, remember me, don't forget me, and I

653
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.039
won't forget you, but he doesn't really overtly show very much

654
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:34.440
affection towards her at all.

655
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:40.799
But that doesn't mean I think that it's not there.

656
00:28:40.859 --> 00:28:43.200
No, no, absolutely.

657
00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:46.799
I mean, especially sort of as she as she goes towards the door, he

658
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:47.519
can't look at her.

659
00:28:47.579 --> 00:28:49.859
You know, he puts on his coat.

660
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.039
Eddie, he turns up his collar to block his view of her.

661
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:54.000
You know?

662
00:28:54.059 --> 00:28:57.000
The turn up collar would become a thing for him later, but he's

663
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:57.599
never done it before.

664
00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:02.640
And yeah, I think it's the whole thing of I'm going to look very

665
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.700
intently at the console now, so I don't have to watch you go.

666
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:07.440
He only turns around when she speaks again.

667
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:09.119
Yeah.

668
00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:11.400
So I'm getting emotional again.

669
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:12.900
Yeah, no, I can see it.

670
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:14.039
I can see it.

671
00:29:14.099 --> 00:29:18.779
It is, it's, look, it's not quite as devastating a moment as Joe

672
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:19.619
No, no.

673
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:25.680
Which is weird because in a way, it's it's sadder because it's not

674
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:26.460
her choice.

675
00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:27.720
Or his.

676
00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:30.359
Or he is, I mean, in a way, yeah.

677
00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:34.019
Yeah, it's sadder in that way.

678
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.500
But at the same time, it's also more hopeful because even though

679
00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:42.839
it's not her choice, she accepts it and we kind of know she's got

680
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:46.079
a life to go back to, in Aberdeen.

681
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:49.259
In Aberdeen, in Aberdeen, 2 years out of time, yeah.

682
00:29:49.259 --> 00:29:54.000
And it's, um, she mentions Harry and the brigadier.

683
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:57.480
I think it's so, it's so funny that, you know, the brigadier

684
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.579
hasn't been in the show for a year, but he's still mentioned, and

685
00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:03.119
you still mentioned all the way up to this and then no more.

686
00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:04.559
Yeah, yeah.

687
00:30:04.619 --> 00:30:05.279
Same with Harry.

688
00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:07.140
We'll never get another mention.

689
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:08.880
But I'm talking about the brigadier.

690
00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:09.839
Yeah, yeah.

691
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.359
It's been, you know, although it hasn't been in it for a year.

692
00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:16.440
He, you know, since the web of fear or whatever. you know, that

693
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.220
that long, that grounding back to earth, that connection with the

694
00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:24.960
audience, which has been whittled away piece by piece is now

695
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:25.200
gone.

696
00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:27.299
I won't attempt it again.

697
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:27.839
Will they?

698
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:32.519
It's going to be a very long time before we get a companion from

699
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.440
contemporary earth.

700
00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:35.579
We won't.

701
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:38.039
And I think it's going to have a bigger impact on the show and

702
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:42.660
it's success in terms of ratings, then we realise at this point in

703
00:30:42.660 --> 00:30:43.259
time.

704
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:45.839
That impact is not there yet, but it's about to be.

705
00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:46.740
Yeah, yeah.

706
00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:51.480
Talking about the impact of this, just moving way, way, way

707
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:51.720
forward.

708
00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:55.619
One of the inspirations for flight through entirety was the

709
00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:59.339
podcast Splendid Chaps, which part of the creative team behind

710
00:30:59.339 --> 00:31:03.420
that was also behind the ABC series outlanded, which is about a

711
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:07.559
group of gay science fiction fans, including Christine Anou as a

712
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.000
lesbian character, whose girlfriend, played by Roz Hammond, comes

713
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.240
over at one point during a meeting to collect her stuff because

714
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:15.960
they've broken up.

715
00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:20.640
The stuff Ross Hammond has is all the stuff that Sarah Jane has

716
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:21.900
when she leaves the Tartars.

717
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.640
Oh, like a stuff.

718
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:26.579
She's got a stuffed out, a pot plant, a yellow mac, and a tennis

719
00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:27.119
racket.

720
00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:30.240
And you know, I've never seen the show.

721
00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:34.440
Her hair is done like Sarah Jane, and I'm pretty sure there's even

722
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:35.880
the line in there of Don't Forget Me.

723
00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:37.019
Yeah.

724
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.759
And it's very, it's very much observed.

725
00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:41.940
It's Adam Richard and Co. and he's a big Doctor Who fan.

726
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.539
Yeah, so, you know, that's the impact, that's the impact of this

727
00:31:45.539 --> 00:31:45.779
scene.

728
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:47.220
It's the impact of Sarah Jane.

729
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.220
You know, if you ask people, if they remember Doctor Who from

730
00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:52.619
their childhood, they're going to remember Tom Baker, maybe John

731
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:55.500
Pertwee, but they're going to remember Sarah Jones Smith.

732
00:32:05.099 --> 00:32:10.019
Well, dear, so before we get too emotional, we're heading off into

733
00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:13.619
that undiscovered territory that Nathan and Todd were just talking

734
00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:17.400
about, we don't have contemporary Earth companions, and indeed, in

735
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.940
the next story, we don't have any Earth characters at all.

736
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:25.140
I'll be taking over the discussion of deadly assassin, regarded by

737
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:26.940
some as a massive classic.

738
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:28.559
It's very sweet how hopeful you are.

739
00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:30.779
Yes, I agree.

740
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:36.359
And as you can see by some, perhaps not.

741
00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:39.839
Do find us online at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through

742
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:43.500
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743
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.140
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744
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.980
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745
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746
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:55.740
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748
00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.640
Until then, thank you very much for listening and good night.

749
00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:00.960
Good night.

750
00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:01.920
See you soon.

751
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.559
That one's flat your entirety with Todd Beeley, Nathan Buttonley

752
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and Brendan Jones.

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This episode, not sufficiently executed enough, was recorded on

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Sunday, the 2nd of August.

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The next episode will be released on September 27, 2015.

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If Eldred wanted to be hailed as king of nothing, he could have

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just become Australian prime minister.

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Two different sets, one with, is it Rex?

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Who's Rex Harrison?

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Rex Harrison's back.

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You know?

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A radiology department.

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Oh, sorry.

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It's not Rex Harrison.

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Oh, X Robinson.

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We'll do that again. put that on the credits.