WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 14:49:17 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.860 What am I saying at the beginning of this one? 2 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:03.839 What am I saying on any of this? 3 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:04.440 You're not. 4 00:00:04.500 --> 00:00:06.480 There's a scrolling thing that just comes down. 5 00:00:06.540 --> 00:00:09.539 People have to actually listen to that. 6 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.659 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety 7 00:00:42.659 --> 00:00:45.240 the only Doctor Who podcast coming to you live through the 8 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:48.539 Amplified Panatropic Computer Net, which, as we all know, is made 9 00:00:48.539 --> 00:00:50.159 of a series of tubes and cats. 10 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:50.759 I'm Brendan. 11 00:00:50.820 --> 00:00:51.780 I'm Nathan. 12 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:55.560 And I'm Todd, and we are here today to discuss the deadly 13 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:56.159 assassin. 14 00:01:02.700 --> 00:01:05.700 What other kind of bloody assassin is there? 15 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:07.560 I hate that Titan. 16 00:01:07.620 --> 00:01:10.140 There's a deadliest asset, or there's a crap one. 17 00:01:10.260 --> 00:01:11.519 Correct, Brendan. 18 00:01:11.579 --> 00:01:15.420 I think pop homes in an interview later did actually say that 19 00:01:15.420 --> 00:01:17.939 there are incompetent assassins. 20 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:20.700 Yeah, I mean, it's not quite a tortology. 21 00:01:20.819 --> 00:01:23.280 It is better than the dangerous assassin. 22 00:01:23.340 --> 00:01:24.719 Yeah, which was the working title. 23 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:30.480 I don't care. beginning of my irritation with many aspects of this 24 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:30.780 story. 25 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.120 And thankfully, it's mine. 26 00:01:33.180 --> 00:01:36.299 I want to start off with one of the criticisms that's been 27 00:01:36.299 --> 00:01:37.019 levelled at this story. 28 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.019 For those of you who haven't seen the deadly assassin, probably a 29 00:01:40.019 --> 00:01:41.040 good idea for you to watch at first. 30 00:01:41.099 --> 00:01:45.540 So we have the 1st story completely set on the Planet of the Time 31 00:01:45.540 --> 00:01:47.819 Lords, which we now know is Galafre. 32 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.840 We had, of course, previously seen the Planet of the Time Lords in 33 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:52.739 the War Games. 34 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.760 Last episode of the War Games, and also intermittently in the 3 35 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:57.299 doctors. 36 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.420 But this is the 1st story entirely set there. 37 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:03.599 Now, what a lot of fans say about this story is that it changes 38 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.420 what we know about the time lords. 39 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:12.900 It presents them as a very insular, very stagnated society, sort 40 00:02:12.900 --> 00:02:17.460 of there's lots of ornate people in robes flowing about and being 41 00:02:17.460 --> 00:02:18.479 quite ineffectual. 42 00:02:18.539 --> 00:02:21.180 Really, it was 1st posited in an issue of the celestial toy room 43 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:25.979 in an article by then President Jan Vincent Rudsky, who also 44 00:02:25.979 --> 00:02:30.120 appears on the DVD for the deadly assassin on the making of, giving 45 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:32.460 his reaction to the story. 46 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:36.300 Personally, I don't see a problem with presenting the Time Lords 47 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:36.659 in this way. 48 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:42.000 Because what we have been previously told about the time lords and 49 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.080 what is even further defined here is that the time lords are an 50 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.500 insular isolationist society. 51 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.580 And remember, part of the reason that the doctor was an outcast is 52 00:02:53.580 --> 00:02:56.759 because he went out into the universe, which they're not meant to 53 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:57.900 be allowed to do. 54 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:00.360 And the doctors already said is when he was Patrick Trout. 55 00:03:00.419 --> 00:03:02.159 You know, he was quite bored by the time lords. 56 00:03:02.219 --> 00:03:07.259 And a homogeneous isolationist culture would stagnate. 57 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:11.400 I think that homes more than anyone else defines the doctor 58 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:15.840 against the forces of rules and bureaucracy and staleness, you 59 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:17.520 know, as early as the crotons. 60 00:03:17.580 --> 00:03:20.460 The crotons have the procedure that has to be obeyed. 61 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.879 And I think it's homes that pins that down as the thing that the 62 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:24.780 doctor is opposed to. 63 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.219 And so naturally when he gets his go at creating the time lords 64 00:03:29.219 --> 00:03:33.300 they're hide bound and stuffy and tied down by procedure. 65 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.719 So, I guess it's natural that that's his take on the time lords 66 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:40.800 rather than, you know, the game show hosts of the 3 doctors or the 67 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:45.900 or the incredibly terrifying and powerful, you know, Terence Dix 68 00:03:45.900 --> 00:03:49.199 version of the uh, of the time lords in in the war games. 69 00:03:49.259 --> 00:03:50.280 Yeah, yeah. 70 00:03:50.340 --> 00:03:53.039 I don't think it's irreconcilable with either of those 2 71 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:53.520 examples. 72 00:03:53.580 --> 00:03:57.479 And I think Robert Holmes actually takes a little bit of care with 73 00:03:57.479 --> 00:03:57.780 that. 74 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.620 You know, because when we've seen the time lords before, We've 75 00:04:01.620 --> 00:04:03.900 just sort of briefly flashed to their planet and just seen a 76 00:04:03.900 --> 00:04:04.500 little bit of it. 77 00:04:04.620 --> 00:04:11.340 And it's kind of like when you get a program like, say, House of 78 00:04:11.340 --> 00:04:15.000 Cards or the West Wing, when you see President Bartlett delivering 79 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.699 a speech, it's very different to when he's in the Oval Office 80 00:04:17.699 --> 00:04:21.600 discussing something with a member of his staff. 81 00:04:21.660 --> 00:04:25.319 You know, what we're seeing in this story is behind the scenes of 82 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:26.100 the time lords. 83 00:04:26.459 --> 00:04:29.519 And that's something I quite like about it. 84 00:04:29.579 --> 00:04:32.279 But I just wanted to get that out of the way 1st because it's one 85 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.279 of the big talking points about this story and we'll certainly 86 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.860 come back to it over the course of our podcast today. 87 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:42.240 In fact, nearly every, I think, modern assessment of this story is 88 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:44.639 a reaction to the review that you mentioned. 89 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:45.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 90 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.839 Because review goes into sort of integrate detail about the fact 91 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:54.180 that there's been all of this complicated information given over 92 00:04:54.180 --> 00:04:56.819 the course of the program about the time laws, and this just 93 00:04:56.819 --> 00:05:00.300 flagrantly contradicts it, and where is the magic of Doctor Who? 94 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.779 If you haven't read this review, I couldn't find the text online 95 00:05:03.779 --> 00:05:09.959 but I did find a YouTube video of a CG character saying the text. 96 00:05:10.019 --> 00:05:13.860 So I'll put a link in the show notes and it's in license denied 97 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:16.740 which was a collection of fan writing that Paul Cornell put 98 00:05:16.740 --> 00:05:16.980 together. 99 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:21.240 And no one has been very interested in presenting a coherent 100 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:24.060 picture of the time lords, and that's not what Doctor Who does. 101 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:27.660 I mean, you kind of think they've not been watching the same 102 00:05:27.660 --> 00:05:28.259 program. 103 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.439 There's no coherent picture of the Daleks or the Cybermen or Units 104 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.180 or really anything at all. 105 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:35.759 The show, it's not Star Trek. 106 00:05:35.819 --> 00:05:36.540 Do you know what I mean? 107 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:37.379 Yeah, yeah. 108 00:05:37.379 --> 00:05:42.000 It's Doctor Who. and so things just change from production team to 109 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:42.660 reaction. 110 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:43.079 Exactly. 111 00:05:43.139 --> 00:05:45.480 You see, I don't have a love for this. 112 00:05:45.540 --> 00:05:49.500 And it's because I don't have a connection to it. 113 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.120 It was not part of my childhood. 114 00:05:51.180 --> 00:05:52.860 We didn't get to see this. 115 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:58.019 And so my galafre is the galafre from Invasion of Time. 116 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.000 That's... 117 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.680 That's my barusa. 118 00:06:01.740 --> 00:06:03.120 That's my Castellan. 119 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:04.680 That's my gallifrate. 120 00:06:04.740 --> 00:06:05.339 That's my set. 121 00:06:05.459 --> 00:06:10.319 So when I come to this, I come to it with that baggage and that 122 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:10.920 look to it. 123 00:06:10.980 --> 00:06:16.379 So I don't necessarily warm to a lot of what is presented, and how 124 00:06:16.379 --> 00:06:17.040 it's presented here. 125 00:06:17.100 --> 00:06:19.620 I don't have a problem with defining of the time mods and all 126 00:06:19.620 --> 00:06:19.800 that. 127 00:06:19.860 --> 00:06:25.319 It's more to do with what's the characters and how they're played 128 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:26.160 and that sort of thing. 129 00:06:26.220 --> 00:06:28.439 It's a weird experience, isn't it? 130 00:06:28.500 --> 00:06:29.579 I had exactly the same experience. 131 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.699 So we would go straight from the hand of fear to face of evil. 132 00:06:32.819 --> 00:06:34.379 And it still works. 133 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:38.519 And then when we came a year later to the invasion of time, were 134 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:41.879 you aware, Todd, that it was like a sequel to an adventure that we 135 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:43.319 hadn't seen at the time? 136 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:45.720 I didn't know that there was this other thing. 137 00:06:45.779 --> 00:06:48.540 It never existed, like it just was. 138 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:51.180 I didn't know that there was this story in there. 139 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:54.959 Because when you watch it now, of course, it's full of references 140 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:55.439 isn't it? 141 00:06:55.500 --> 00:06:56.639 To the deadly assassin. 142 00:06:56.699 --> 00:07:01.079 If we look at the plot, it's got a very interesting opening with 143 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:07.079 the doctor receiving the vision, you know, of being the assassin. 144 00:07:07.139 --> 00:07:10.199 That is very effective and very striking. 145 00:07:10.259 --> 00:07:12.839 And, of course, people kind of reference the Manchurian candidate 146 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:16.019 and certainly, there was an influence there in a way. 147 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:17.639 It hasn't been done in Doctor Who before. 148 00:07:17.699 --> 00:07:18.839 So I give it those points. 149 00:07:19.379 --> 00:07:22.439 So what was the call home that he received at the end of hand of 150 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:22.680 fear? 151 00:07:23.339 --> 00:07:25.980 I believe that sent from the master. 152 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:27.060 Yes, exactly. 153 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.279 The master's bringing him there to frame him. 154 00:07:29.339 --> 00:07:29.879 Okay. 155 00:07:29.939 --> 00:07:30.360 Yeah. 156 00:07:30.420 --> 00:07:32.279 So spoiler alert, dear list. 157 00:07:32.339 --> 00:07:33.300 The masters in this one. 158 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:38.579 You know, it starts and you've got the scrolling text that stars. 159 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:41.160 Star Wars would do year later. 160 00:07:41.220 --> 00:07:43.079 So I have to give them points for that, but I come into this 161 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:44.879 having had the Star Wars experience. 162 00:07:44.939 --> 00:07:48.120 So it's sort of like, well, I've seen that before, right? 163 00:07:48.180 --> 00:07:51.540 So that's the 1st thing that sort of doesn't quite sit the best 164 00:07:51.540 --> 00:07:51.899 with me. 165 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.279 And also it's like, what is the background of that shot? 166 00:07:56.339 --> 00:07:59.879 It's a wall with some dry ice over the top of it. 167 00:07:59.939 --> 00:08:02.699 It's, yeah, it's a little bit weird, that shot. 168 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:05.579 I still like it because it tells you that this story is going to 169 00:08:05.579 --> 00:08:06.180 be unusual. 170 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:10.379 And of course, we have, we have no Sarah Jane, Leela hasn't 171 00:08:10.379 --> 00:08:10.800 arrived yet. 172 00:08:10.860 --> 00:08:14.939 So there's no, in a way, there's no companion, but in a way, there 173 00:08:14.939 --> 00:08:18.060 is, because of course, Philip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes didn't 174 00:08:18.060 --> 00:08:21.180 really want to do a story without a companion. was Tom's demand. 175 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:23.100 So Tom demanded this. 176 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.279 And so they decided to do this to prove to him that it couldn't 177 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:26.459 work. 178 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:27.240 Yeah. 179 00:08:27.300 --> 00:08:29.339 What a great premise for a story. 180 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:32.639 It's proved to you that it's not going to work by doing a story 181 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:33.539 doesn't work. 182 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:38.159 But wait, so we could have had 4 more episodes of Sarah Jane Smith 183 00:08:38.220 --> 00:08:40.139 and then gone straight into Leila, possibly. 184 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:41.879 So that irritates me. 185 00:08:41.940 --> 00:08:44.879 I'm just going to preface it to the listeners. 186 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:47.460 There's a lot of illogical things that I'm going to say here that 187 00:08:47.460 --> 00:08:50.519 irritate me about this story, but it's my personal experience of 188 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:50.759 it. 189 00:08:50.820 --> 00:08:54.120 So I'm just saying there's little things that begin to just etch 190 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:55.440 away at my enjoyment of this. 191 00:08:55.500 --> 00:08:56.519 But please, continue. 192 00:08:57.059 --> 00:09:01.080 I would argue, 1st of all, that there are companions in this 193 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:01.559 story. 194 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:03.120 They're Spandrel and Engen. 195 00:09:03.179 --> 00:09:06.179 I mean, for God's sake, Engen is practically a Doctor Who 196 00:09:06.179 --> 00:09:06.659 companion. 197 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:08.759 He asks lots of questions like, oh, what's that, doctor? 198 00:09:08.820 --> 00:09:09.899 And how does that work, doctor? 199 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:10.860 And what should I do, doctor? 200 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:13.919 Engen's the Dottery one that's about to collapse dead. 201 00:09:13.980 --> 00:09:15.120 It's wonderful. 202 00:09:15.179 --> 00:09:16.200 Fantastic. 203 00:09:16.259 --> 00:09:17.820 It's probably my favourite thing in this. 204 00:09:17.940 --> 00:09:19.860 I love how the doctor says goodbye to him. 205 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:23.759 You know, he says goodbye, doctor, and the doctor's goodbye. 206 00:09:23.820 --> 00:09:26.159 It's so good. 207 00:09:26.220 --> 00:09:29.100 And of course, we've got George Pravta back as spandrel. 208 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:32.460 He's far, far better in this than he was in the Mutants. 209 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:35.159 Engen was in The Massacre, can I just say? 210 00:09:35.220 --> 00:09:35.820 Yes. 211 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:36.539 Yeah, yeah. 212 00:09:36.899 --> 00:09:37.860 He has that going. 213 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.500 Yeah, it was a plot device in the massacre. that's right Okay. 214 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:42.600 There are positive things. 215 00:09:42.659 --> 00:09:45.000 And there are negative things about spandral. 216 00:09:45.059 --> 00:09:49.679 I love the way spandrels written in terms of he's this policeman 217 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:51.840 but he's not just gunning for the doctor. 218 00:09:51.899 --> 00:09:54.000 He's willing to listen and investigate. 219 00:09:54.059 --> 00:09:56.519 I do have a problem with the performance. 220 00:09:56.940 --> 00:10:02.399 The performance works in this context, but the way he delivers his 221 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:04.860 lines is like it's a cold read of the script. 222 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.460 I do community theatre, and it's like when you do a cold reader of 223 00:10:08.460 --> 00:10:10.559 the play to begin with, like, whatever you're in. 224 00:10:10.620 --> 00:10:13.019 And it's like he's reading it without the commas, without the full 225 00:10:13.019 --> 00:10:14.940 stops, without the expression. 226 00:10:15.059 --> 00:10:18.299 He just runs his lines into each other. 227 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:20.519 And after a while, like, sometimes it works really well. 228 00:10:20.580 --> 00:10:22.139 Like, I really like that. 229 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:25.860 And other times I'm just there going, oh, for God's sake, take a 230 00:10:25.860 --> 00:10:26.159 breath. 231 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:27.000 Take a breath. 232 00:10:27.059 --> 00:10:29.159 No, I want some expression there, please stop. 233 00:10:29.220 --> 00:10:33.360 So, there are parts of this where it just begins to chip away at 234 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:36.120 my enjoyment and just begins to irritate me slightly. 235 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:37.740 Continue, brilliant. 236 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.919 See, see, I view that performance as being, like, a sort of hard 237 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:44.820 boiled American TV detective, you know, just the facts map kind of 238 00:10:44.820 --> 00:10:45.179 thing. 239 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.100 But no, I see where you're coming from with that. 240 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:51.299 And in quite a bit of his acting, George Proctor can sometimes 241 00:10:51.299 --> 00:10:54.240 have a sort of monotone delivery. 242 00:10:54.299 --> 00:10:55.740 But I think he's very good in that. 243 00:10:55.860 --> 00:10:57.120 I'm not saying it's a bad performance. 244 00:10:57.179 --> 00:11:00.480 I'm just saying there's aspects of it that begin to irritate me. 245 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:02.700 So the doctor gets recalled to Gallifrey. 246 00:11:02.820 --> 00:11:06.299 He has this vision of himself killing the president, but he takes 247 00:11:06.299 --> 00:11:06.899 it. 248 00:11:08.220 --> 00:11:10.919 From what we can see as the viewer, he fires the gun, the 249 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:12.120 president falls down dead. 250 00:11:12.179 --> 00:11:13.019 Now that's shocking enough. 251 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.659 The idea, A, that the doctor would fire a gun because we've just 252 00:11:15.659 --> 00:11:18.539 been told 3 stories previously that he may carry a gun, but he 253 00:11:18.539 --> 00:11:21.480 wouldn't fire it, and we find that out in the seeds of doom. 254 00:11:21.539 --> 00:11:25.559 So we see the doctor firing a gun, 0 my god, we see him killing 255 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:25.919 someone. 256 00:11:25.980 --> 00:11:26.639 Oh my god. 257 00:11:26.700 --> 00:11:30.419 But then he starts saying, I must get past them and warn the 258 00:11:30.419 --> 00:11:31.259 president. 259 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:34.320 So we're like, hold on, what's he, and this is where the 260 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:38.039 Manchurian candidate influence comes in, Manchurian candidate 261 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:42.179 being a novel later, a film, about American soldiers being 262 00:11:42.179 --> 00:11:45.899 captured and brainwashed as prisoners of war to then go back to 263 00:11:45.899 --> 00:11:48.960 America and assassinate political targets. 264 00:11:49.019 --> 00:11:52.559 Think of that episode where Geordie was brainwashed by the 265 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:54.480 Romulans into killing that guy. 266 00:11:54.539 --> 00:11:55.620 Yes, yes. 267 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:58.980 I believe that's one of 2 episodes where Geordie wears a beard. 268 00:11:59.100 --> 00:12:03.419 We get lots of faffing about from Tom and getting into robes and 269 00:12:03.419 --> 00:12:06.419 whatnot, which Tom loved, of course, because like all classic 270 00:12:06.419 --> 00:12:09.120 doctors, he thought about being a priest or a monk at one point. 271 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:10.980 It was a rule. 272 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:12.779 Yeah, it was actually a rule. 273 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:14.159 It was part of the interview. 274 00:12:14.220 --> 00:12:16.019 Did you ever consider being a priest or a monk? 275 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.600 Okay, sorry, Richard Griffiths, you can't be Doctor Who. 276 00:12:18.659 --> 00:12:21.659 And then we get characters like Runcible. 277 00:12:21.779 --> 00:12:23.399 Runsable, fatulus. 278 00:12:23.460 --> 00:12:25.019 Who is that? 279 00:12:25.019 --> 00:12:26.039 Has he been in Doctor Who before? 280 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:28.139 He will be in Doctor Who again? 281 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:28.799 He will be in again. 282 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:29.220 Yeah. 283 00:12:29.220 --> 00:12:30.240 So. 284 00:12:30.299 --> 00:12:31.440 He's the one. 285 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:32.519 He's the reporter. 286 00:12:32.580 --> 00:12:33.360 The newscast. 287 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:36.539 Okay, so we have the heliotrope of the Patrexes. 288 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:37.200 So on. 289 00:12:37.500 --> 00:12:39.840 Can I just, I just want to bring up a few things there. 290 00:12:39.899 --> 00:12:40.259 Obviously. 291 00:12:40.379 --> 00:12:43.799 So there's a plot device where we're doing the whole reporter BBC 292 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.379 3 thing that we've seen before, but this time in terms of 293 00:12:46.379 --> 00:12:48.480 Gallifrey, because the doctor has got no companion. 294 00:12:48.539 --> 00:12:52.620 And so that we've then got all the different colours of the 295 00:12:52.620 --> 00:12:53.340 academies. 296 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:55.860 I actually think J.K. Rowling must have been watching this. 297 00:12:55.919 --> 00:13:00.600 No, honestly, because then she can go, well, we've got Cithern and 298 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:04.019 obviously Draco Malfoy is going to be goth. 299 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:06.840 We've got the doctor as Harry Potter. 300 00:13:06.899 --> 00:13:10.259 Wait, wait, we've got oh, this one that we must not speak of 301 00:13:10.259 --> 00:13:11.340 that's been erased. 302 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:14.519 The master who must be there for Voldemort. 303 00:13:14.580 --> 00:13:15.299 So you know what? 304 00:13:15.419 --> 00:13:19.320 I think Bob Holmes state has may have some sort of, you know, claim 305 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.059 claim on the whole thing. 306 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.980 Anyway, it's a bit of a... 307 00:13:22.980 --> 00:13:25.320 If he didn't nick so much for whatever else, anyway. 308 00:13:25.379 --> 00:13:30.360 Now, of course, then, going back to it, the doctor watches runs 309 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:31.919 the ball on the monitor. 310 00:13:31.980 --> 00:13:34.500 Yep. and he's got to get out of the Tartars. 311 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:37.559 Yes, and okay, Todd, I'm going to just throw to you because I know 312 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:38.279 this is a point. 313 00:13:39.059 --> 00:13:40.860 I loathe this. 314 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.039 I just think it's it's so convenient that for this season we've 315 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.460 got a black void at the door so the doctor can hide on one side of 316 00:13:47.460 --> 00:13:48.120 the black void. 317 00:13:48.179 --> 00:13:51.000 The guards can come in and then he can sneak across the other side 318 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.460 to get out of the actual tartars. 319 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:54.840 It just irritates me. 320 00:13:54.899 --> 00:13:57.480 It's not logical, but it just irritates me. 321 00:13:57.539 --> 00:13:58.919 I know it has to happen, right? 322 00:13:58.980 --> 00:14:00.179 But it irritates me. 323 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.399 This is gonna be your refrain, this episode. 324 00:14:02.460 --> 00:14:05.639 We can learn a lot about your psychology, I think, probably. 325 00:14:05.700 --> 00:14:08.940 Not only that, but the doctor has a hooker in the TARDIS. 326 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:10.799 Oh, with an AH, right? 327 00:14:10.860 --> 00:14:11.700 With an AH. 328 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:12.120 That's correct. 329 00:14:12.179 --> 00:14:13.080 What's an H? 330 00:14:13.139 --> 00:14:14.220 A water pipe. 331 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:15.000 Oh, yeah, yeah. 332 00:14:15.059 --> 00:14:15.539 Yeah, yeah. 333 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:17.039 So, yeah, the doctor gets away. 334 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:22.019 He goes around, he yomps around in the Time Lord robes. 335 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.299 He has that wonderful conversation with Ronceble, where it runs 336 00:14:24.299 --> 00:14:24.779 Bull, says her. 337 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:26.279 Weren't you expelled or something? 338 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:27.000 Some kind of fun. 339 00:14:27.059 --> 00:14:30.480 In fact, Runsable's the only person he really interacts with in 340 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:31.379 the entire story. 341 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.720 So it is most not in the entire story. 342 00:14:33.779 --> 00:14:36.240 In this 1st episode. in this 1st episode. 343 00:14:36.299 --> 00:14:39.779 And so it is just basically a chase as Tom sort of, you know 344 00:14:39.779 --> 00:14:42.720 evades everyone and then world building. 345 00:14:42.779 --> 00:14:46.139 So we get to meet all of the main characters and find out what the 346 00:14:46.139 --> 00:14:47.639 Time Lords Planet is like. 347 00:14:47.700 --> 00:14:51.600 Yeah, and you get that wonderful line where Commander Hildred 348 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:54.120 reports to Spandrel that the doctor's gotten away and Spandrel 349 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.340 sums it up something like, so let me get this straight. 350 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:00.120 You went into his TARDIS and he managed to slip out without your 351 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:04.019 seeing him, and then you only trapped him in a building with 50 352 00:15:04.019 --> 00:15:04.620 floors. 353 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:05.879 Excellent Mildred. 354 00:15:05.940 --> 00:15:07.259 I think you are trying to confuse him. 355 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.980 He's really mean to Hillred all the way through. 356 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:14.519 But he's deservedly so because Hildred's inept. 357 00:15:14.580 --> 00:15:17.340 He's such a wet fish and quite frankly, I did not cry when he got 358 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:19.019 turned into a toy at the end. 359 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:23.700 Again, Kildred is not my commander in California. 360 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:26.580 Andred, who I think is who I adore, right? 361 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:29.820 This castalan is not my castan, although I really love him. 362 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:33.299 I like Mr. Slime in Invasion of Time. 363 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:37.019 And of course, there's another character that occurs in both of 364 00:15:37.019 --> 00:15:37.440 these stories. 365 00:15:37.500 --> 00:15:38.460 And that's Barusa. 366 00:15:38.580 --> 00:15:39.120 Barusa. 367 00:15:39.179 --> 00:15:40.980 I really like the barusa in the story. 368 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:44.700 And of course, his 1st appearance, he just utterly destroys 369 00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:45.480 Runcible. 370 00:15:45.539 --> 00:15:48.539 Like, you didn't listen to me at school. 371 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:49.559 I talk to you now? 372 00:15:49.620 --> 00:15:50.279 That's terrific. 373 00:15:50.340 --> 00:15:52.500 It's the dream of every teacher to say that to a student. 374 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:55.259 Can I just say, the performance is great. 375 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:56.340 The character is great. 376 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:01.019 I like the 2nd barusa because that was my barusa as a kid 377 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:01.740 completely understand. 378 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.799 The other problem I have with it is I kind of think sometimes I go 379 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:09.000 through casting different shows in Doctor Who, who would I cast in 380 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:09.419 my life? 381 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:10.919 Who would I be cast as? 382 00:16:10.980 --> 00:16:14.039 And I kind of look at his performance and the way he talks and I 383 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:18.419 just kind of think, I can't watch myself in a performance and 384 00:16:18.419 --> 00:16:19.379 that's who I see. 385 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:20.399 Oh, yeah. 386 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.159 And so I just have this sort of, I can't watch him. 387 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:24.059 I just can't watch him. 388 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:27.779 It's just too sort of like, is this how I appear when I'm in class 389 00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:28.919 or whatever like that? 390 00:16:28.980 --> 00:16:32.700 So that's my slight irritation with that character. 391 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:34.919 And it's not logical, it just is. 392 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:39.000 Do you wear the eye makeup in class that the Lippy and I make up 393 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:42.480 that the time lords are, for some reason, affecting in this 394 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:42.720 story? 395 00:16:42.779 --> 00:16:45.299 Dear listener, I just walked into that. 396 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.840 There's a reason why I have to have a break every season. 397 00:16:49.500 --> 00:16:51.299 Why do they do that? 398 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:52.860 Why do they have the makeup? 399 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.039 And why didn't they put Timothy Dalton in that makeup in the end 400 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:56.399 of time? 401 00:16:56.460 --> 00:16:57.659 That would have been great. 402 00:16:57.720 --> 00:16:58.919 It slightly silvery, isn't it? 403 00:16:58.980 --> 00:16:59.460 Yeah, yeah. 404 00:16:59.460 --> 00:17:02.220 Talk amongst yourselves. thinking of Timothy Dalton. 405 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:05.640 Look, it's a good I think he's a good barusa. 406 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:08.700 And it's another good aspect to the story. 407 00:17:08.819 --> 00:17:09.900 Of the main cast. 408 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:11.220 I dont think there's a weak performance. 409 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.859 I think Peter Pratt, when he appears with the master, is really up 410 00:17:13.859 --> 00:17:16.140 against it, because he's got to talk through that mask, but I 411 00:17:16.140 --> 00:17:18.779 think he's got a wonderful voice, and he gets as much expression 412 00:17:18.779 --> 00:17:21.480 into the mask and moving it as much as he can. 413 00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:26.099 But we're at the end of episode one now, and the cliffhanger is 414 00:17:26.099 --> 00:17:30.779 also like the 3rd scene of the episode, which kind of breaks the 415 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:31.680 Doctor Who format. 416 00:17:31.740 --> 00:17:33.779 And we see the doctor gun down the president. 417 00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:38.640 It's less of a cliffhanger of how is the doctor going to get out 418 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:39.000 of this one. 419 00:17:39.059 --> 00:17:40.019 I'm more of a cliffhanger. 420 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:40.740 What did I just see? 421 00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:41.460 What did I just happened? 422 00:17:41.579 --> 00:17:45.420 Now, in my opinion, the story begins to go downhill from here. 423 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:47.160 They cheat. 424 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.559 The reprise cheats outrageous. 425 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:51.420 The reprise cheats outrageously. 426 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.460 The doctor then reveals. 427 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:55.440 They insert a scene. 428 00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:59.519 So you actually have someone pulling a gun in the crowd and then 429 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:00.539 the doctor shoots. 430 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.119 And so now we know the only reason why... 431 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:03.839 Have you actually seen that? 432 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:04.980 Oh, okay. 433 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:06.539 I'd never, I'd never noticed seeing that. 434 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.660 Why would you logically put yourself in that position? 435 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:12.420 I'm going to run ahead of all the guards and go up there and pull 436 00:18:12.420 --> 00:18:13.380 out this gun, you know. 437 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:17.460 Why not stay in the crowd and say, he's got a gun. 438 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:18.839 It just irritates me. 439 00:18:18.900 --> 00:18:20.160 I mean, it wouldn't have a story. 440 00:18:20.339 --> 00:18:23.880 Not only that, but a few minutes later, you know what? 441 00:18:23.940 --> 00:18:24.240 Great. 442 00:18:24.299 --> 00:18:25.559 We got Bernard Horsefallback. 443 00:18:25.619 --> 00:18:28.500 Longtime collaborator with director David Maloney. 444 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.819 Bernard Horsfall, or British Jack Thompson, if you prefer, as 445 00:18:32.819 --> 00:18:33.839 Chancellor Goth. 446 00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:37.799 And got says, the president died without naming his successor. 447 00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:40.500 We must have an election within 48 hours. 448 00:18:40.740 --> 00:18:46.140 And it just leads me to think, A, if you've got a president, he 449 00:18:46.140 --> 00:18:49.859 should probably, when he retires, be replaced by an elected 450 00:18:49.859 --> 00:18:53.400 official rather than then his own successor. 451 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:59.819 Secondly, okay, what happens after 48 hours if you haven't had an 452 00:18:59.819 --> 00:19:00.539 election? 453 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.619 And he starts going on about, oh, you know, other races will be 454 00:19:04.619 --> 00:19:05.819 watching and will be weak. 455 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:06.480 It's like, really? 456 00:19:06.539 --> 00:19:07.019 Who's watching? 457 00:19:07.980 --> 00:19:12.359 I don't understand, you know, we've had this big thing about your 458 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.779 isolationists and you don't interfere with other people and you've 459 00:19:15.779 --> 00:19:18.119 got this massive shield around your planet and no one can get in 460 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:19.740 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 461 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.319 But your president is killed and it's okay. 462 00:19:22.380 --> 00:19:24.839 You're not prepared for that because you're this isolationist 463 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:25.740 ideal society. 464 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:26.579 Okay, fine. 465 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:29.460 But you don't have any kind of procedure for that. 466 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:35.700 That involves catching the assassin and giving him a trial before 467 00:19:35.700 --> 00:19:36.779 electing... 468 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.559 And why why do you have to give the assassin a trial before you 469 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.119 elect the president anyway? 470 00:19:42.180 --> 00:19:45.779 Oh, with that, I mean, that's an objection that gets made, isn't 471 00:19:45.779 --> 00:19:48.000 it, to Goth and we find out the reason? 472 00:19:48.059 --> 00:19:49.740 Yeah, isn't a political reason? 473 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:51.900 It's because he wants to get the doctor out of the way and that's 474 00:19:51.900 --> 00:19:53.220 the whole purpose of the assassination. 475 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.880 But he seems to have an argument in law because Barusa and 476 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.180 Spandrel kind of accept it and realise they've only got 48 hours. 477 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.299 No, no, no, but it isn't, it's explicitly a political decision 478 00:20:03.299 --> 00:20:04.019 from Goth. 479 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:04.980 It's not a legal decision. 480 00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:06.720 It doesn't have to kill it. 481 00:20:06.779 --> 00:20:08.400 He has law on his side. 482 00:20:08.460 --> 00:20:10.319 Otherwise he'd be challenged on it. 483 00:20:10.380 --> 00:20:14.579 Then we get the whole trial scene, which, to be fair, it's made 484 00:20:14.579 --> 00:20:17.579 kind of interesting by the fact that Tom Baker is drawing the yes 485 00:20:17.579 --> 00:20:20.160 minister titles of all the witnesses in the box. 486 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:21.599 It's really funny though. 487 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:24.660 Yeah, it's funny because you've got Runcible, and you've got that 488 00:20:24.660 --> 00:20:26.220 old guy with the hip. 489 00:20:26.220 --> 00:20:27.059 With the dicky hip. 490 00:20:27.059 --> 00:20:27.960 Yeah, yeah. 491 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:30.779 That's actually that's quite fun, homesy and staff. 492 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:35.880 You know, I think it is different, Doctor Who, and I think I see 493 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:39.900 it in retrospect in a lot of movies from the 90s onwards. 494 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:43.380 Like having that whole timelap sequence with them all presenting 495 00:20:43.380 --> 00:20:47.220 you know, but I will criticise it in the fact that, oh, let's just 496 00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:50.460 have it in my little room in my little office, basically. 497 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:52.799 And that's one of the things I have a problem with this, is that 498 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:57.119 we've got the little tiny octagonal, or whatever shape set it is 499 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:58.619 for spandrels thing. 500 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:01.019 And then we've got his little office and then I really don't like 501 00:21:01.019 --> 00:21:03.839 the Panopticon. very, very narrow and small. 502 00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:05.880 I never get a sense of the space. 503 00:21:05.940 --> 00:21:08.880 And for me, you do get one shot, one white shot. 504 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.579 Yeah, with that glass... 505 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:14.460 Yeah, but and the duplicated extras who wanted to be paid more for 506 00:21:14.460 --> 00:21:15.599 being... 507 00:21:15.660 --> 00:21:18.839 However, I just find the whole thing quite cramped. 508 00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:22.680 And for me, for what I want a galafray to be, I wanted it to be 509 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.819 big an expansionist and I always felt that in the invasion a time 510 00:21:26.819 --> 00:21:27.180 set. 511 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.059 It's actually a much wider and widthier set. 512 00:21:30.059 --> 00:21:34.619 And so I'm comparing it to that, which is illogical, but I wanted 513 00:21:34.619 --> 00:21:36.359 more from what these sets are giving. 514 00:21:36.420 --> 00:21:40.559 I mean, the whole thing is kind of modelled after, you know, an 515 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:42.839 Oxbridge college or the Vatican or something. 516 00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:46.680 And so it needs to look dark and Gothic, and I think it does a 517 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:51.000 pretty remarkable job doing that with just plastic walls, green 518 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:51.900 plastic walls. 519 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:53.940 Yeah, well, I really want the, find that it does that, but I 520 00:21:53.940 --> 00:21:57.180 wanted to see the outside, you know, like the, like the dome in 521 00:21:57.180 --> 00:21:58.200 Castria. 522 00:21:58.259 --> 00:22:01.079 Like I wanted to see that so I could put it into context. 523 00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:03.299 Here it's trying to do what it's doing, what we were doing back in 524 00:22:03.299 --> 00:22:07.259 the season opener, where we just had the rooms of the Renaissance 525 00:22:07.259 --> 00:22:08.880 Italy rather than the whole outside. 526 00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:11.160 And I think for me, this is for me. 527 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.980 I don't feel that expanse. 528 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:18.000 I don't feel, I just, that aspect of it just doesn't do it for 529 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:18.180 me. 530 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:21.660 I think, I mean, that's, I think, why it was so exciting when we 531 00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:25.259 actually saw finally and was it sound of drums when we saw... 532 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:27.539 Well, well, Gallifray. yeah Yeah, yeah. 533 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:31.079 Maybe we needed to wait for the technology. 534 00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:33.359 Because it does look great when it comes along, I think. 535 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:36.359 And I can see why it concentrates on that and it's done like that 536 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:36.779 you know? 537 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:40.859 But all the things that I praised in the masking band, Draga for 538 00:22:40.859 --> 00:22:42.180 doing that and why they did it. 539 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:43.799 I'm not going to praise you. 540 00:22:43.859 --> 00:22:47.339 The mask of Mandragra did have, you know, like beautiful exterior 541 00:22:47.339 --> 00:22:51.299 shots of the palace and that kind of thing, which we don't get 542 00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:51.960 anything like here. 543 00:22:52.019 --> 00:22:54.480 But I do think given that the production isn't going to allow them 544 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:58.259 to have a giant big great hall, which is really what you kind of 545 00:22:58.259 --> 00:23:00.059 need the Panopticon to be. 546 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.000 They do a reasonable job. of this. 547 00:23:03.059 --> 00:23:05.640 I think the sets, you know, they're pretty good. 548 00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:06.480 Yeah. 549 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.759 Can I think out one thing that I'm really irritated by this 550 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:09.059 story? 551 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.819 You have one thing that you're really irritated by. 552 00:23:11.940 --> 00:23:12.359 Oh, sorry. 553 00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:13.019 Another thing. 554 00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:14.519 There's no women. 555 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:18.119 The Time Lords are just all these men. 556 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.180 And I just... 557 00:23:21.180 --> 00:23:22.140 There's Helen Blatch. 558 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:23.519 What does she do? 559 00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:27.240 She reads out the thing about Rassalon, she's the computer voice. 560 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:28.200 Yeah. 561 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:29.519 Does it count? 562 00:23:29.579 --> 00:23:32.819 Well, look, we've complained and we've been complaining for ages 563 00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:36.720 about Philip Hinchcliffe and Bob Holmes, production team, not 564 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:37.559 including women. 565 00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:41.880 And season 12 was pretty deplorable with its 3 speaking parts for 566 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:42.240 women. 567 00:23:42.299 --> 00:23:44.819 But this is terrible and there's really no excuse for it. 568 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:46.319 Why couldn't they be there? 569 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:46.859 Why? 570 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:47.519 Yeah, yeah. 571 00:23:47.579 --> 00:23:49.500 I mean, there's not even any female extras. 572 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:50.279 No. 573 00:23:50.339 --> 00:23:53.460 I think I think the thing is, and we're going to come up against 574 00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:58.079 this again, that Holmes is kind of, you know, because he does 575 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:01.859 literary pastiche, and he reaches into the past for the kinds of 576 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:05.220 stories that have been told before, and because he wants to model 577 00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:08.099 this on the Vatican, and he wants to model it on a Oxbridge 578 00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:12.000 colleges, which were, the Vatican is still all men, and Oxbridge 579 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.440 colleges were all men as well. 580 00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:18.299 And so for the same reason that things get so sort of, let's use 581 00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:21.660 Brendan's word problematic towards the end of the season. 582 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:25.859 It is because he'll take these literary traditions and just won't 583 00:24:25.859 --> 00:24:29.099 bother to fix the problems with them. 584 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:33.119 You know, like I'm not being a social justice warrior here or 585 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:33.900 anything like that. 586 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.539 I'm just bored with all these men. 587 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:37.680 Do you know what I mean? 588 00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:38.579 It's dull. 589 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:43.079 And the new series where you will have bunches of women or guest 590 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:45.480 casts that are predominantly women for no particular reason. 591 00:24:45.539 --> 00:24:50.099 Or even when Saywood comes along or, you know, Pennant Roberts 592 00:24:50.099 --> 00:24:53.519 later and just start to put women in for, you know, not for any 593 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.160 reason other than their 50% of the population. 594 00:24:56.220 --> 00:24:58.259 You know, things improve, I think. 595 00:24:58.319 --> 00:24:59.279 Yeah, absolutely. 596 00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:05.339 I mean, The new series, when they do historical stories, there is 597 00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:09.720 almost always an element of social commentary on how the times 598 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:10.259 have changed. 599 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.240 So, for instance, in the Shakespeare code. 600 00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:17.700 Martha brings up how her skin colour may be a problem in the time 601 00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:18.779 period she's in. 602 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:24.779 And in that way, it manages to address racism, without doing the 603 00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:28.799 whole story about racism, but in a way that it doesn't feel 604 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.519 shoehorned in, it feels natural, whereas the absence of women in 605 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:36.180 this feels completely unnatural, because Robert Holmes has just 606 00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:40.259 gone, oh, yes, let's have this setting without, as you say, Nathan 607 00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:41.940 updating it and fixing the problems. 608 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.059 Another problem I have with the story is that each episode seems 609 00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:47.039 to be part of a completely different story. 610 00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:48.960 So the 1st episode is a political thriller. 611 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.960 The 2nd episode is a police procedural. 612 00:25:52.019 --> 00:25:54.599 So they're collecting the evidence, slightly later. 613 00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:58.079 There are some lovely moments in there and the doctor gets to be a 614 00:25:58.079 --> 00:25:59.339 bit Sherlock Holmes, you know. 615 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:01.500 I can feel my hair curling. 616 00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:03.900 So either I'm getting an idea or it's about to rain. 617 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.240 There's little charming moments in there. 618 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.000 We come to the 3rd episode. 619 00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:15.480 Which is the episode set almost entirely inside the Matrix, which 620 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:17.400 is a real love it or hated episode. 621 00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:19.859 So I'm just going to give you a few statistics about this. 622 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.859 First of all, it was, I believe, the highest rated episode of the 623 00:26:22.859 --> 00:26:24.900 story, about 13 million viewers. 624 00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:31.259 Secondly, there are approximately 54 lines of dialogue in the 625 00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:31.559 episode. 626 00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:35.400 Roughly two lines every minute. 627 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.880 That is how little dialogue there is in this episode. 628 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.440 That is how thin the script is. 629 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:49.140 And finally, the various geysers of goth that attack the doctor in 630 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:54.359 the matrix, so the samurai, the clown, et cetera, were actually 631 00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:55.680 played by Bernard Horsport. 632 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:57.299 Was the clown burned horse? 633 00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:58.500 Clown was burned at horsefall. 634 00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:00.839 He says, you know, I remember getting made up and laughing into 635 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:01.740 the camera, that was very good. 636 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:03.420 Todd, was I right about the ratings? 637 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.079 You were, but I often judge an episode on the episode after. 638 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.059 Yes, because that's the impact. 639 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.420 And one.2 million less viewers tuned in next week. 640 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.460 Oh, I'm ambivalent about it. 641 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:15.720 I'm not lover or hate it. 642 00:27:15.779 --> 00:27:20.220 I think it's a really, really bold decision to, because you think 643 00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:22.619 of this story and you think it's a studio bound story set on 644 00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:26.039 Galafray, but in fact, you know, nearly a, you know, one whole 645 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.599 episode is on location. 646 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:33.059 Having a virtual world created inside a computer network is 647 00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:37.980 cyberpunk, you know, I mean, it's really early for that idea to 648 00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:38.579 even exist. 649 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:43.019 Yeah, the problem is, though, we just end up in a quarry. 650 00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:44.160 Oh, no. 651 00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:44.759 No, no, I know. 652 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:45.599 It's a quarry park. 653 00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:51.180 But, but, you know, it's realer than the stuff set in the real 654 00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:54.359 world, because it's on film, because it's on location, because the 655 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.940 doctor's being attacked by things identifiable things from the 656 00:27:56.940 --> 00:27:58.500 20th century or from Earth. 657 00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:00.720 I think it's too violent. 658 00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:03.599 I think it's incredibly misjudged. 659 00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:05.940 So the doctor gets shot twice. 660 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:10.380 He tries to blow up Chancellor Goth with a grenade and seriously 661 00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:11.160 injures him. 662 00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:16.799 He poisons Goth, Goth catches fire, he hits him with a stick. 663 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:20.460 And then there's that notorious episode 3 cliffhanger. 664 00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:24.000 And if you've seen more than 30 years in the Tartars, you know 665 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.880 Mary Whitehouse from the Cleanup National City. 666 00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:29.400 I still see it in my mind. mind's eye. 667 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.960 Yeah, she, and, and, you know, she campaigned against the show in 668 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:35.160 the Hinchcliffe era. 669 00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.759 And, like, am I wrong in my memories of the history here that when 670 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.160 like, Hinchcliffe gets moved off and onto Target? 671 00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:42.900 And yeah, that was part of the reason. 672 00:28:42.900 --> 00:28:44.640 And Graham, that's part of the reason. 673 00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:46.200 Graham Williams comes on. 674 00:28:46.259 --> 00:28:49.799 He's told to tone the violence down. 675 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:57.299 And Hinchcliffe, in just a massive middle finger to his successor 676 00:28:57.299 --> 00:29:02.039 just blows the budget completely on this season, and particularly 677 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:03.599 on talons of Wayne Cheyang. 678 00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:07.980 And so this story, it's a pivotal point in the history of the show 679 00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:09.779 not because of the time lords, because who cares? 680 00:29:09.779 --> 00:29:11.339 And we're better off without them. 681 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:11.940 They're terrible. 682 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.900 But in just the direction that the show takes, the fact that the 683 00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:20.700 budget collapses and the show stops being scary and and then 684 00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:24.420 eventually, like I think that there's a line, a terrible, terrible 685 00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:28.019 line from here to the eventual cancellation of the show. 686 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.920 And I think that Hingecliffe and Holmes, who have been skirting 687 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:37.619 with being irresponsibly violent for a while, just go over the 688 00:29:37.619 --> 00:29:38.160 line here. 689 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:39.660 Yeah, yeah. 690 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:45.180 And the violence is just so bizarre because we've been told that 691 00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:50.339 this matrix that they're in, it can create things from your 692 00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:50.759 thoughts. 693 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:56.460 And the doctor has been built up over the 70s as having these 694 00:29:56.460 --> 00:29:58.259 immense mental faculties. 695 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.299 You know, he can survive psychic assaults. 696 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.599 There's the mind bending contest in Morbius, et cetera, et cetera 697 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:04.019 et cetera. 698 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:11.279 But he has no power in this area and he has to resort to brute 699 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:11.759 force. 700 00:30:11.819 --> 00:30:15.660 And I think that's a huge, huge weakening of the character. 701 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.119 And it's not it's not really addressed. 702 00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:21.900 I think the brute force is the mental... you know what I mean? 703 00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:25.140 Like, I think that what we're seeing is the mental battle between 704 00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:29.400 Goth and the doctor, but that it's played out in these physical 705 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.579 terms, you know, that's the form it takes. 706 00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:34.559 It's a little bit like omega. 707 00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:36.660 It's played out very crudely, though. 708 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.859 That's the thing. 709 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.880 The doctor doesn't attempt to capture or incapacitate goth. 710 00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:43.859 He doesn't attempt to nullify the threat. 711 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:48.420 He attempts to remove the threat. doesn't goth create this 712 00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:48.960 reality. 713 00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:50.160 Isn't he in charge of it? 714 00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:52.440 Well, from what the dialogue says. 715 00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:53.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 716 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.740 Now, this is where I have a problem with this. 717 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.740 I didn't see this. is where you have a problem with this story. 718 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:02.400 You do not get to tell someone they can't like things, Nathan. 719 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:04.799 When have I ever accused the story of being tired? 720 00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:05.819 Todd. 721 00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:06.900 This is tires. 722 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.500 This is tiresome because I come to it from a Star Trek perspective 723 00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:12.720 having watched Star Trek, where they have these people going to 724 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.539 these fake realities that are all in their mind and you watch the 725 00:31:15.539 --> 00:31:16.680 whole episode and then it's not real. 726 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.420 And I loathe it. 727 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.380 I love it to be. 728 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.920 At this point in time, if you are a fan in the UK watching this 729 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:23.759 this is revolutionary. 730 00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:25.619 But that's not my perspective. 731 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:27.660 What we get is we get over an episode. 732 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.440 Over an episode of, well, it's not really happening, right? 733 00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:35.099 With all these horrible events happening, Goff is supposed to be 734 00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:35.940 in charge, right? 735 00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:37.440 It's supposed to be his reality. 736 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.640 He spends 3 quarters of an episode masked, and then the doctor 737 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.440 goes, oh, tell me who you really are. 738 00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:46.319 So he decides, oh, yes, I'll tell you that I'm goth, right? 739 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:48.839 Up to that point, he is superhuman. 740 00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:54.000 Then, the moment, science fiction cliche, that you unmask that 741 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.579 superhuman thing, then they're suddenly vulnerable. 742 00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.519 He, you know, he's creating this reality. 743 00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:01.500 Well, I'm going to leave the grenades here. 744 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:04.079 If it's my reality, maybe I should just make them disappear. 745 00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:09.299 When I pour the poison glass of jar into the creek, Surely I would 746 00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:11.039 make that disappear, right? 747 00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:11.640 Yeah. 748 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.960 Not leave it there for the doctor to find. 749 00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:16.920 And then, you know, when I do get injured, surely I could just, you 750 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.619 know, we'll just get rid of that wall over there on the left, and 751 00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:21.779 I'll create some special medical device to heal myself. 752 00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:24.599 It's all that stuff that just drives me exactly. 753 00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:25.619 It's absolutely mad. 754 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.220 And by the end of this episode, I am so irritated with this show. 755 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:30.119 Yeah. 756 00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:32.880 And that is why this is my least favourite story of the season. 757 00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:35.039 It's not how the timeless work. 758 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:35.940 It's this. 759 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.299 And there's all this technical techno battle to set up the matrix 760 00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:41.400 the data extracts, things that they go on with. 761 00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:43.980 And I'm just thinking, oh, and yeah, you know what? 762 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.940 Much later in the show, we get Christopher Bidmead who's accused 763 00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:50.279 of taking the magic out of Doctor Who. 764 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:54.119 This takes so much magic out of it. 765 00:32:54.180 --> 00:32:59.160 The doctor, our magical man in the box. says that brain waves are 766 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.500 just electrochemical impulses. 767 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:03.900 The doctor reduces the soul to science. 768 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:05.880 Now, I am not a religious person. 769 00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:10.740 I'm not really a spiritual person, but I don't think that the 770 00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:12.059 doctor should be defining that. 771 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:16.859 And then we get, we get, we get all this scientific explanation of 772 00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:17.940 how the Matrix works. 773 00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:23.160 The doctor is a character who has managed to defeat Omega, the 774 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.339 most mentally powerful time lord in existence, who has a whole 775 00:33:26.339 --> 00:33:28.380 universe at his disposal. 776 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:32.519 And yet, the best he can do against Goff is to try and blow him up 777 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:33.119 with a grenade. 778 00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:37.559 It's like, ah, it just feels so wrong for the character. 779 00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:42.539 He's taking up arms and On the one hand, you could say, oh, you 780 00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:44.220 know, it's the desperation of the situation. 781 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.640 But, The doctor should always find another way. 782 00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:53.339 I put out there that the doctor in the Matrix in this story is far 783 00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:56.220 more violent than anything Colin Baker's doctor does. 784 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.680 I think this is the most violent the show has been. 785 00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:01.859 And look, I actually find that episode pretty entertaining, I have 786 00:34:01.859 --> 00:34:02.220 to say. 787 00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:03.299 Oh, it's entertaining. 788 00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:06.420 Oh, look, there's entertaining... action packed and stuff. know 789 00:34:06.420 --> 00:34:07.200 there's a lot going on. 790 00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:10.559 But it just, all those reasons why I've said just begin to just 791 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:11.820 mount up and irritate me. 792 00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.760 And even the choo-choo train that comes at the end of whatever 793 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:15.539 episode it is. 794 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:16.920 I kind of went, oh, big whoop. 795 00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:19.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 796 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:19.980 Because we know what's going to happen. 797 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.639 It's just going to disappear because we know this is an illusory 798 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:23.880 world. 799 00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:27.059 I have problems with the master's motivations in this. 800 00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.440 Wait and get the doctor involved. 801 00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:31.980 Up to this point in time, he's quite, he's quite willing to, you 802 00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:35.340 know, want to take over the universe and know if the doctor dies. 803 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:35.880 Ha, ha, ha. 804 00:34:35.940 --> 00:34:39.900 But here, after, you know, he's completely mentally unhinged, it's 805 00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:41.460 a complete rewrite of the character. 806 00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:42.119 Oh, I agree. 807 00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:45.239 And when he's described, particularly by the doctor. 808 00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:48.599 You know, he's described as being thoroughly evil and the 809 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:49.559 embodiment of evil. 810 00:34:49.619 --> 00:34:53.099 Well, that wasn't Delgado, Delgado, used to have sword fights and 811 00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:54.119 eat sandwiches and stuff. 812 00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:54.780 He was lovely. 813 00:34:54.900 --> 00:34:57.840 And back to what you were saying, this is going to influence the 814 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.260 rest of the show and what Paul Anthony Ainley has to go through in 815 00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:02.159 the 1980s. 816 00:35:02.219 --> 00:35:02.639 Yes. 817 00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:06.000 And, you know, even in the final sequences here where the master 818 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.340 actually shoots them all and knocks them out. 819 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.119 Well, surely at this point in time, he's shrunk Hildred to nothing 820 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:13.619 wouldn't he just kill them at that point? 821 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.260 Like, it's just, to me, it's sort of like, you wanted to destroy 822 00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:17.940 them, but no, we're just gonna stun them. 823 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.739 Really, honestly? 824 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.800 At least they don't, they don't prolong it. 825 00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:24.840 And he just says immediately, no, they're just stunned. 826 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.139 Like we don't get to, we don't have to go, oh, you know, are they 827 00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:28.380 dead? 828 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:28.800 you know. 829 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:33.360 Yeah, because he does the sort of 1930s Batman villain thing of 830 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.360 going, you know, no, they're not dead because you're going to 831 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:37.800 suffer when the planet explodes. 832 00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:40.260 And it's like, that's the whole reason he's called the doctor back 833 00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:41.219 to Gala, right? 834 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:46.139 If the doctor's premonition had been sent by the Matrix, which 835 00:35:46.139 --> 00:35:49.440 could have then been, the doctor could have said, oh, maybe it's 836 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.980 not just electrochemical impulses, maybe there is consciousness 837 00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:53.460 there. 838 00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:55.679 And, you know, that's science fiction and that's interesting. 839 00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:58.800 No, the masters lured him back there in order to kill him. 840 00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:02.699 And that is what stops the master with the fact he's lured the 841 00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:03.179 doctor back there. 842 00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:08.219 So, it's the stupidest the master has ever, ever been. 843 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.380 You know, I think it's been... 844 00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:12.599 I actually think the competition's pretty stiff. 845 00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:16.019 Okay, yeah, it is, because Delgado used to get involved with these 846 00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:18.599 allies and then go, oh, you've betrayed me. 847 00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:23.280 Whereas in this case, the master has gotten someone who he knows 848 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.780 will betray him, no matter what happens, and just gone, oh, yeah 849 00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:29.880 come on over here so I can have some fun with you. 850 00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:33.119 It's another one of these criminals from the past. 851 00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:34.800 It's another hinge of homes. 852 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:35.639 Yes. 853 00:36:35.699 --> 00:36:36.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 854 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:37.320 Who's back for revenge? 855 00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:41.039 And we get the doctor's exile mentioned in a few things that kind 856 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.800 of hint to us that it's going to be the master a bit later on. 857 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.820 And I do like the reveal because goth calls him master. 858 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.400 And then we discover it the master. 859 00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:52.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. you know, that's kind of fun. 860 00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:55.980 But he is he isn't the master that we know at all. 861 00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.039 It irritates me that the masters sort of been erased from 862 00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.440 everything at the CIA's request. 863 00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:03.059 Like to me, it's just sort of like, really? 864 00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:03.840 You're going to do that? 865 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.239 Honestly, I thought he got in and stole his file. 866 00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:07.559 Yeah, that's what I file. 867 00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:10.739 You know, when he stole the doomsday weapon file and all of that. 868 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.679 He stole his own school reports and stuff, you know. 869 00:37:13.739 --> 00:37:17.280 But then at the beginning, it says, Gallifrey Faces doesn't the 870 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.500 biggest sort of crisis or whatever. 871 00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.920 And really, in the end, it's like 2 policeman pseudo-companions 872 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.860 commander of the guard, and a couple of people actually really do 873 00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:28.139 know what's going on, and the rest of Galliprey is probably quite 874 00:37:28.139 --> 00:37:29.340 oblivious to the... 875 00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.360 No, but a big black croton head came out of the floor and nearly 876 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.239 destroyed the entire planet in the nearby star system. 877 00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:38.039 It was a giant crisis. 878 00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:41.099 No, but they're not aware of that until that point. you know what 879 00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:41.519 I'm saying? 880 00:37:41.579 --> 00:37:44.159 Nobody's aware of it until, well, that happens, you know? 881 00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:47.280 But I mean, they rewrite it and there's that wonderful scene at 882 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.360 the very end with Angus Mackay's Verusa trying to decide what the 883 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.179 real, the real story that they're going to tell. 884 00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:55.199 Yeah, I mean, that's good. 885 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:55.920 That's terrific. 886 00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:59.579 You know, all that that Machiavellian politicking, which is just 887 00:37:59.579 --> 00:38:03.179 the sort of cynical thing that you employ Bob Holmes to do, I 888 00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:03.420 think. 889 00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:08.699 I mean, I can see why at the time, fans would say that this was 890 00:38:08.699 --> 00:38:09.900 you know, cutting edge. 891 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.079 It was like, you know, it was so different from anything else on 892 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.500 television, in terms of presentation and style, but I think that 893 00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:19.800 I'd love, for those people out there who regard this as the be all 894 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.920 and indoor and really up there, to go back and rewatch it after 895 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.860 what Webb said and realise that it ain't all that. 896 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.380 I like it more than you do, I think. 897 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.000 And it is Bob Holmes. 898 00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:31.440 You know, he is funny. 899 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:35.639 There's all sorts of reasons to dislike him, but he is a skilled 900 00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:36.719 skilled writer. 901 00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:37.920 He writes funny dog. 902 00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:40.260 I'll acknowledge that there's good dialogue, there's good 903 00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:40.860 performances. 904 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:42.119 I can see what it's trying to do. 905 00:38:42.179 --> 00:38:45.960 I just, I mean, is just not there. 906 00:38:46.019 --> 00:38:47.699 Yeah, they just, you know what? 907 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:48.539 The design's great. 908 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:50.400 The direction's great. 909 00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:51.539 Performances are great. 910 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.099 The dialogue itself is great. 911 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:57.000 The plot is complete. bobbins. 912 00:38:57.059 --> 00:38:59.760 The greatest threat to the Time Lords have ever faced in their 913 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:00.000 history. 914 00:39:00.059 --> 00:39:00.780 Oh, yeah. 915 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.860 Getting sucked into a black hole by your ancient god who gave you 916 00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:05.400 time travel. 917 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:06.960 No, that's nothing. 918 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.760 Now, that happened three times that week. 919 00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:09.960 We didn't just see it. 920 00:39:10.019 --> 00:39:11.219 That's true. on screen. 921 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.719 My favourite big, can I say, from the absolute climax is, as we 922 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.260 said before, this terribly unimpressive thing comes out of the top 923 00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:22.500 the floor and the masters manipulating and the doctor rushes in. 924 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:26.219 And then the master ends up running after the doctor, hitting him 925 00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:27.780 with the sash of wrestling. 926 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.239 Obviously camp way. 927 00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:31.079 Yes. 928 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:32.340 It's terrific. 929 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.860 It's the master, it is absolute best. 930 00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:37.500 The one thing I do like about the master in this. 931 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.659 You know, I think Peter Pratt's voice is fine, as I mentioned 932 00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:42.840 before, but the one thing I really like is there's a line he gives 933 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:48.900 which implies that his mania, if you like, his obsession with the 934 00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:53.760 doctor is due to the fact that he has become so deformed. 935 00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:57.719 He says something to go off like, you know, once I was like you 936 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:02.159 but now in this form, and that is the only way I can imagine. 937 00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:06.539 That's the only way I can accept that this is the Delgado master 938 00:40:06.539 --> 00:40:12.599 because he was urbane and suave and charming, and that is where 939 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.380 most of his power came from, was his ability to influence, take 940 00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:17.219 that away from him. 941 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.460 And yeah, it would lead to him being this sort of decrepit 942 00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:20.760 figure. 943 00:40:20.820 --> 00:40:21.780 I don't think it quite works. 944 00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:24.840 But You might have to keep telling yourself, though. 945 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:28.980 I, I, I think that was the active idea they were going for. 946 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.800 I think they were acknowledging the past of the character. 947 00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:32.880 I don't think they do it enough. 948 00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:35.159 What do you think about his sausage fingers? 949 00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:37.739 The gloves, the gloves are amazing. 950 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:41.340 The mask, I think, could be a little bit smaller, so it actually 951 00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:42.300 looks like a skull. 952 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:46.380 But the sausage fingery gloves are very, very scary. 953 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.920 I think the ping-pong ball eyes are terrifying. 954 00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:50.280 Yeah. 955 00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.340 Yeah. so much more effective than Jeffrey Beavers. 956 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:53.880 Right? 957 00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:56.940 Jeffrey Beavers has a lovely voice as well. 958 00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.460 Oh, no, I think it's a great performance. 959 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.579 Don't get me wrong, but I think the ping pong ball eyes in this 960 00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:04.679 make it that much more terrifying. 961 00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:07.980 That weird final shot where you can kind of see through the 962 00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:09.780 Master's Tartar's clock face. 963 00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:13.260 And there's this sort of weird face and it's kind of like, is it 964 00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:14.460 half regenerating or something? 965 00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:17.940 Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe they're giving themselves the option of 966 00:41:17.940 --> 00:41:20.460 bringing him back regenerated, but they just don't go anywhere. 967 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:21.420 I hope they don't. 968 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.760 I hope this is the last we see. 969 00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:24.719 I agree as well. 970 00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:28.619 When I watch this story, I never think that he's regenerating, but 971 00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:29.880 I know that some people out there do. 972 00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:32.820 There's something weird looking about him. 973 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.099 Yeah, he's kind of he's kind of a bit more fleshy, isn't he? 974 00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.079 Maybe stolen goth's face. 975 00:41:37.739 --> 00:41:41.159 I really didn't want to just trash this story and that's what I've 976 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:41.340 done. 977 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:42.960 You secretly like it. 978 00:41:43.019 --> 00:41:44.280 It's like me and the massacre. 979 00:41:44.340 --> 00:41:45.599 I watch it once a week. 980 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.760 Right, well, dear listener, that's all the time we have for the 981 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:00.599 deadly assassin. 982 00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:05.519 Next week, I'm going to be taking us down a, uh, forest path where 983 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.960 we meet our new companion, Leela as played by Louise Jameson in 984 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:10.860 the face of evil. 985 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.500 Oh, I thought you were gonna say Little Red Riding Hood. 986 00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:18.059 Until then, do check us out online, Flightthrough Entirety.com 987 00:42:18.059 --> 00:42:21.780 flat through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on 988 00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:22.380 Twitter. 989 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.780 Also available on Bond Finger at the moment. 990 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.380 We have commentaries for Dr. No and from Russia with love, and 991 00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:29.159 next Saturday. 992 00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:33.840 You will be able to get the classic Sean Connery, James Bond film 993 00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:35.460 Goldfinger on there as well. 994 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:40.139 You will also find Bondfinger on Facebook and Bondfinger cast on 995 00:42:40.139 --> 00:42:40.500 Twitter. 996 00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.179 Until then, may all your fingers not be sausage ones. 997 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:45.599 Good night. 998 00:42:45.659 --> 00:42:46.079 Good night. 999 00:42:46.139 --> 00:42:46.980 See you soon. 1000 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.400 That was Flight 2 Entirety, Todd Beale, Nathan Buffinley, and 1001 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:54.119 Brendan Jones. 1002 00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:58.260 This episode, a hooker in the TARDIS, was recording on Sunday, the 1003 00:42:58.260 --> 00:42:58.920 2nd of August. 1004 00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:02.460 The next episode will be released on October 4th, 2015. 1005 00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:07.199 I do try not to flux with or change my state, but I accidentally 1006 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.420 bought DovRule instead of Botox. 1007 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.159 It should have stuff about like trade embargoes and stuff. 1008 00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:24.539 Taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems. 1009 00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:28.500 Oh, wait, let me put everything on airplane mode. 1010 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.420 Oh, God, I haven't done that either. 1011 00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:33.480 I'd hate for us to be interrupted. 1012 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:37.559 Watch my phone, my pacemaker.