WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:18:20 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:35.880 Hello and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast recorded in the place of land. 2 00:00:35.939 --> 00:00:36.780 I'm Brendan. 3 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:37.740 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:44.820 I'm Todd, and we are on the unnamed world of the Sever team, encountering the face of evil. 5 00:00:51.299 --> 00:00:52.979 So we've been off for six weeks. 6 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:57.060 We have, um, the doctor's been travelling around by himself. 7 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:58.920 He's not met Sharon from Blackcastle yet. 8 00:00:59.219 --> 00:01:01.020 I don't know what that is. 9 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:05.760 He also hasn't gone back to pick up Sarah Jane. rather inexplicably. 10 00:01:05.819 --> 00:01:08.219 But, you see, this is the 6 weeks of mourning that we need. 11 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.079 Yes. to get over Sarah Jane. 12 00:01:10.140 --> 00:01:11.519 Yeah, that's right. 13 00:01:11.579 --> 00:01:14.280 And also to get over the fact that we don't have Engen. 14 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.459 Yeah, why wouldn't he angle with that? 15 00:01:17.700 --> 00:01:20.459 Oh, well, at it, why don't we throw in Professor Rumford as well? 16 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:22.019 That'd be awesome. 17 00:01:22.379 --> 00:01:24.299 In a heartbeat. 18 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:25.319 But you know what I love? 19 00:01:25.379 --> 00:01:29.400 I love that the 1st shot is, in fact, the new girl. 20 00:01:29.459 --> 00:01:30.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 21 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:43.799 I mean, we're continuing a tradition here which Barry Let started with Terror of the Autumns in that, even though we're familiar with the character of the doctor, the meeting between the doctor and the companion is really focussed on the companion and their life. 22 00:01:43.859 --> 00:01:51.659 And of course, here, it's taken to another level, because as you say, Todd, what we get before we even see the doctor is a lot of backstory with Leila. 23 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:59.099 So we know that she doesn't get along with the hierarchy in her tribe, and we hear something horrible happened to her father. 24 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.620 And she is willing to sacrifice. 25 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:02.400 No, we don't. 26 00:02:02.459 --> 00:02:03.180 Oh, we hear it. 27 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:05.219 We hear him see him go and do it. 28 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:06.780 But it's important. 29 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.360 She's being exiled from her tribe for blasphemy. 30 00:02:09.419 --> 00:02:10.620 She's an atheist. 31 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:11.819 She doesn't believe in God. 32 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:26.580 And not only that, but immediately we have a connection between her and the doctor, because of course, the doctor left Time Lord Society, because he didn't agree with the way they conducted themselves, and that's why Leila is being forced out of her society as well. 33 00:02:26.699 --> 00:02:31.259 You know, so it's a subtle connection, but I think it's quite powerful. 34 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:32.639 Quite a few first in the story. 35 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:34.680 So we got the first script by Chris Boucher. 36 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:38.099 First story where Matt Irvine was in charge of the visual effects. 37 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:39.780 He had previously just been an assistant. 38 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:50.400 First story for Pennant Roberts as director, and 1st story for the aforementioned Leela, played by the fabulous, uh, wonderful, uh, Louise Jameson. 39 00:02:50.460 --> 00:02:52.500 She is terrific, isn't she? 40 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:53.819 Yeah, right from the start. 41 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.280 Right from the get go. 42 00:02:56.340 --> 00:03:02.340 She has that physical presence, the drawing of the knife that Leila has, just that physicality. 43 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:08.879 And I think it's so easy to forget, when you look at this story and the 2 after it. 44 00:03:08.939 --> 00:03:10.979 Just, like, she's just there, boom. 45 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.120 Yeah, she just is. 46 00:03:12.180 --> 00:03:15.479 It doesn't take it doesn't take a few stories to warm up or to evolve. 47 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:19.740 Her speech patterns in the 17, just the way in which she phrases things. 48 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:24.060 There are a few times where she'll say the odd line, I think, in this story, where she sounds like BBC English. 49 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:25.860 You see, I love that. 50 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:26.699 I'm not saying I don't. 51 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.400 I'm not saying I don't, and she still does use that, right? 52 00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:33.479 But at times it's sort of my ears prick up at that point. 53 00:03:33.539 --> 00:03:42.300 I also think Louise just looks absolutely, she's so fit, and that costume, I mean, that's, you know, that iconic costume that she's in. 54 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.120 The terrible exploitative costume. 55 00:03:45.180 --> 00:03:45.780 Well... 56 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:46.259 Okay. 57 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:47.759 I'm going to come back to that in a moment. 58 00:03:47.819 --> 00:04:03.060 But it is, it is, you know, I'm glad that she has that costume as the warrior, you know, I don't like the later one, that other horrible, which one, which I think is much more... which is much more exploitative than this one because there's no reason to go to that one if you at all. 59 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:03.840 If you got the other one. 60 00:04:03.900 --> 00:04:07.680 Were you going to say, Brendan, that it's equal opportunity or exploitation? 61 00:04:07.740 --> 00:04:10.800 Yes, 1st of all, like everyone else is quite scandally clad as well. 62 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:11.939 Hello, David Garfield. 63 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:13.259 Oh, whose name? 64 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:14.460 David Garfield is Neva. 65 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:14.939 Oh, yes. 66 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:15.960 Hello, Neva. 67 00:04:16.019 --> 00:04:21.660 That is a magnetic stare and performance that I remember. 68 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:22.980 I remember as a kid. 69 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.879 He's insane, but he's just mesmerising to watch. 70 00:04:26.939 --> 00:04:29.339 But my favourite character is Tomas. 71 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:30.959 Oh, yeah, totally. 72 00:04:31.019 --> 00:04:32.160 I like Neva. 73 00:04:32.220 --> 00:04:33.959 Oh, not terrific. 74 00:04:34.019 --> 00:04:35.399 Well, Tomas is my favourite. 75 00:04:35.459 --> 00:04:38.519 I mean, and the great Who's yours, dear? 76 00:04:38.579 --> 00:04:39.300 Who's yours? 77 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:40.019 Right in. 78 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:40.920 The great picture. 79 00:04:40.980 --> 00:04:49.019 The great thing about having Tomas in there is the show has been so very sexless. for most of its run. 80 00:04:49.139 --> 00:04:54.180 And when I say sexless, I'm talking about romance and sexual desire, you know. 81 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:55.199 What about Dodo? 82 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.860 We're not talking about the novels. 83 00:04:58.920 --> 00:04:59.939 No, the elephant. 84 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:05.759 Of course, when Joe leaves, you know, she and Cliff, they're very intimate and very personal. 85 00:05:05.819 --> 00:05:11.279 Sarah never really gets any romantic overtures with any characters. 86 00:05:11.339 --> 00:05:13.319 Maybe she doesn't, does she? 87 00:05:13.379 --> 00:05:14.459 Joe does once a year. 88 00:05:14.579 --> 00:05:16.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe. Joe quite often. 89 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:23.220 Leila has this sort of romantic frisson with Thomas very early on. 90 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:31.740 And unlike a lot of other romantic fresons, especially with Joe. Joe quite often wouldn't realise for a little while that the guy fancied her. 91 00:05:31.860 --> 00:05:34.980 And then she'd have to try and figure out a way to let him down gently. 92 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.259 Because she was always too fabulous for them. 93 00:05:37.259 --> 00:05:37.860 Exactly. 94 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:38.339 Exactly. 95 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:50.579 Whereas with Leila and Thomas, you get the impression that there is a mutual attraction there, but Leila doesn't want to endanger him with her exile, you know, but warns him, you know, be careful of Caleb. 96 00:05:50.699 --> 00:06:08.040 But then on the other side of the program being sexless, because we have started doing Bondfinger now, Bondfinger.com, check it out, I was just struck by the similarity between Leila and the doctor meeting and Bond and Honey Rider. 97 00:06:08.100 --> 00:06:13.319 Because, of course, the shot of Honey Rider is designed to be sexual. 98 00:06:13.379 --> 00:06:16.860 Can you explain that to viewers who may not have seen this shot? 99 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:17.459 Okay. 100 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:21.240 So Honey Rider in Doctor No, comes out of the sea. 101 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:24.060 James Bond sees her. 102 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:24.660 They talk. 103 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:28.139 She's a bit scared of him at first, but begins to trust him, blah, blah. 104 00:06:28.259 --> 00:06:31.079 Now, the same thing happens in a way with Leila. 105 00:06:31.139 --> 00:06:35.879 She's running through the forest, falls down, and comes across the doctor and they're both quite startled by each other. 106 00:06:35.939 --> 00:06:45.779 But in this, it takes out the element of sexual desire, obviously, because the doctor doesn't do that with his companions and to quote Richard for a second. 107 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:47.819 That's why you don't snog them. 108 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:54.779 But Honey Rider in Doctor No has a sort of childhood naivety, which you commented on at the time, Nathan. 109 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.420 And Leila has that same naivety with the doctor. 110 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:02.939 Now, of course, the doctor is a lot more respectful of that than James Bond is because they're different characters. 111 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:21.959 But that scene, even at this point, which is about 15 years since it was shot, that scene in Doctor No is so indelibly printed on film culture that I'm sure it was a conscious thing by Pennant Roberts to draw some visual parallels there. 112 00:07:22.019 --> 00:07:26.100 You know, right down to the fact that she knows the lay of the land and the doctor doesn't. 113 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:39.060 So straight away, we have a companion who, as well as being brave, as well as being independent, has unique skills and talents to offer to the doctor. 114 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.240 And it's all in the 1st 10 minutes. 115 00:07:42.300 --> 00:07:53.100 She's really smart, and it's something that Chris Boucher gets right and nearly no one else does. that Leila quickly understands the things that the doctor explains. 116 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:55.079 I mean, she knows how her world works. 117 00:07:55.139 --> 00:07:56.040 Obviously. 118 00:07:56.220 --> 00:07:56.639 Yeah, yeah. 119 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:03.240 And she comes up with clever things that she's the one who realises there's a hole through the time barrier for Zoanna to speak through. 120 00:08:03.300 --> 00:08:08.879 She understands that the sound of the gong is going to attract the bantomy things. 121 00:08:08.939 --> 00:08:19.500 You know, she, she's smart, she gets, she gets things very quickly, and it's not gonna last, and I don't think it outlasts Chris Boucher, actually. 122 00:08:19.980 --> 00:08:22.079 Well, we'll see. 123 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.360 There's something too as we go on. we'll look at it. 124 00:08:24.420 --> 00:08:27.360 But she certainly just wonderfully well written here. 125 00:08:27.420 --> 00:08:29.160 And it is one of those things. 126 00:08:29.220 --> 00:08:36.720 You know, you get introduced with 8 episodes of just terribly well written Chris Boucher dialogue in your set. 127 00:08:36.779 --> 00:08:44.279 But if Pip and Jane Baker write your 1st 4 to 5 episodes, You've got terrible trouble. 128 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:47.580 Oh, I love Bunny Langford. 129 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:48.240 I love now. 130 00:08:48.299 --> 00:08:50.879 She's wearing a lot of bronzer in certain shops. 131 00:08:50.940 --> 00:08:54.659 She's orange. the rest of the season. 132 00:08:54.720 --> 00:09:00.059 Dear listener, if you check out the making of on the DVD, you'll see it could have been much worse. 133 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:04.919 Yeah, there's that terrible publicity shot of her in like virtual black place. 134 00:09:04.980 --> 00:09:06.419 Yeah, which is what they were considering. 135 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.919 And Louise Jameson is so wonderful because she says in the interview there. 136 00:09:10.980 --> 00:09:21.240 The 1st day where we had the shoot, I don't think the makeup girl got it quite right. is her reaction to these shots looking like, and this is also a quote from her. 137 00:09:21.299 --> 00:09:24.059 It looks like someone gave me a mug pack and then didn't get it all off. 138 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:28.860 There's a few things in this episode that I want to talk about. 139 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:36.899 First of all, it's Tom arriving in the jungle and facing the camera and giving that's terrible, isn't it? 140 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:40.200 Dialogue to the camera, and it goes on, and it goes on, and it goes on. 141 00:09:40.259 --> 00:09:41.700 I'm going, this is just crumbing. 142 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.919 It's really awful. fully directed. 143 00:09:43.980 --> 00:09:49.440 Yeah, this is, this is, I think again, this is Philip Hingcliffe saying, okay, Tom, you want to talk to yourself. 144 00:09:49.500 --> 00:09:50.759 This is what happens. 145 00:09:51.779 --> 00:09:54.240 I really like the jungle set. 146 00:09:54.299 --> 00:09:57.779 I actually do, even with those funny pipe things coming down, you know? 147 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:00.720 Yeah, they are a kind of corrugated pipe, aren't they? 148 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:05.820 Look, I think the sand on the floor of the studio is good and makes it like that lifts it a bit. 149 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:12.539 It's not quite as good as the ealing set for Planet of Evil, but it's a lot better than the television centre set for Planet of Evil. 150 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.340 Yes, yes, we can split the difference. 151 00:10:14.460 --> 00:10:14.879 Yes. 152 00:10:14.940 --> 00:10:26.820 And one thing that I just burst out laughing and I always forget it, is Neva's dance around the doctor, you know, with evil spirit, you know, and that, oh, I just... that has that line. 153 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.000 No, you're obviously a person of very superior internet. 154 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:31.919 Yeah. 155 00:10:31.980 --> 00:10:33.659 If you keep shaking that thing at me. 156 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.879 We're both going to be standing in a smoky hole in the ground. 157 00:10:35.940 --> 00:10:38.580 While he is beaming while saying that. 158 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:55.860 Well, that is part of the big theme of the story, which is it is an anti-religious polemic, and we won't see the same sort of thing onto a planet of fire, I think, when it's toned down, really massively, but you have God, and God is a malevolent figure here. 159 00:10:55.919 --> 00:11:00.720 In fact, you know, each tribe's god is the other one's evil one in a sense. 160 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:01.259 Yeah. 161 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:07.500 And all of this stuff, like Neva gives a litany, which is readings and responses. 162 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:13.080 It's like prayers in church, you know, he has various rituals, but his religion is a cargo cult. 163 00:11:13.139 --> 00:11:20.460 It's based on the misinterpretation of various technological devices that have been left behind by his ancestors, you know. 164 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.820 And so he's got he's got that fantastic glove hat. 165 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.039 You know. hilarious. 166 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:32.159 All of that, like, and he's wearing a spacesuit draped over his back and so on, you know? 167 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:40.500 So he doesn't understand the past and his his litany is all this sort of distortion of, you know, historical events that he doesn't understand properly. 168 00:11:40.620 --> 00:11:42.000 And then we meet the test. 169 00:11:42.059 --> 00:11:44.820 They have their own religion, which is the same kind of thing. 170 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:50.580 And here, God, it's, you know, it was originally going to be called the day that God went mad, wasn't it? 171 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:55.620 And it's, it's God causing the conflict between the Seve team and the Tesh. 172 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:57.539 And the word Zoanna on it. 173 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:07.379 I happen to know. comes from the Greek word, an ancient Greek word, which means to carve, and it means like a wooden, a carved wooden figure that's worshipped as a god, like an idol. 174 00:12:07.500 --> 00:12:08.399 Oh, I see. 175 00:12:08.460 --> 00:12:13.860 So like the carving in the rock faces like echoing presence. 176 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.440 That's not very well done, is it that model? 177 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:19.559 No, but I think it's as well done as they could make it. 178 00:12:19.620 --> 00:12:21.659 It's a pretty striking cliffhanger, though. 179 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:22.679 Yes, absolutely. 180 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:32.220 But this is something I find that I find really hard to buy, that the doctor doesn't remember this, and they try and place this in the timeline of the show, don't they? 181 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:33.240 Yeah, yeah. 182 00:12:33.299 --> 00:12:35.039 I think it's in the novelisation. 183 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:37.679 I think it's Terrence Dix's novelisation, am I right? 184 00:12:37.740 --> 00:12:38.100 Yes. 185 00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:40.919 And Terrence places it during robot. 186 00:12:40.980 --> 00:12:46.620 And so the doctor's still unstable from his regeneration, and he disappears. 187 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:56.159 I don't think it's when Sarah is hammering on the door of the TARDIS or something, but sometime during robot, he goes and meets the more de-expedition, and that's when it happens. 188 00:12:56.220 --> 00:13:01.200 Because it couldn't have happened with Sarah there because Sarah would have slapped him out of it. 189 00:13:01.259 --> 00:13:04.620 I don't, and possibly they would have worshipped Sarah like we do. 190 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:09.059 So therefore I don't always, I never quite bought that as a kid, right? 191 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:10.740 It's one thing that I find a little bit ropey. 192 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:18.779 And the fact that the Sever team have had to have degenerated so much, you know, there's this huge divide between both of them. 193 00:13:18.899 --> 00:13:24.419 And it's now at this particular juncture that, you know, Zonan's like completely losing it. 194 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:35.399 I mean, there's that shop where the doctor finds the electronic device in the sand and like, you know, and leave us there and I kind of think surely nobody somebody else could have found that, you know? 195 00:13:35.460 --> 00:13:36.120 That's right. 196 00:13:36.179 --> 00:13:37.320 All he does is move a leaf. 197 00:13:37.379 --> 00:13:38.039 I know. 198 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:42.120 It sort of leads to the less credibility of the village. 199 00:13:42.179 --> 00:13:43.679 And you only see part of the village. 200 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:49.500 And like, these young warriors are dying, left right and centred by Janus Thorns every 2 minutes in episode one. 201 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:53.220 And sort of like, can you afford to kill off these people and send this girl away? 202 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.679 Like, how big is this village? 203 00:13:55.740 --> 00:14:00.000 Like, you know, I don't, I couldn't see it being several 100 people because we never see that. 204 00:14:00.059 --> 00:14:01.379 So I kind of... 205 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:04.620 Leila kills 3 people in episode one. 206 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:05.580 Am I right? 207 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.220 There's at least 2 because I know there's at least two. 208 00:14:08.340 --> 00:14:10.500 So she crossbows one of the guys pursuing her. 209 00:14:10.500 --> 00:14:11.700 Okay, so there's three. 210 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.539 And then she stabs that one guy and then she sticks a Janus Thorne and the other guy. 211 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.419 So she kills 3 people in the village and you're right. 212 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.700 It's only, and they must know them all. you know what I mean? 213 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:27.120 Like, she must kill the guy who, you know, used to, I don't know, sell meat or, you know, deliver the paper or something. 214 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:33.659 And there's this thing again in the season where we're given scripts where it's like this room or this part of the village. 215 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:38.039 It's not you don't you're not seeing the whole thing because of budget limitations or whatever. 216 00:14:38.100 --> 00:14:40.679 So I always, I don't quite buy it, right? 217 00:14:40.740 --> 00:14:45.240 which is one of the aspects of this story that for me is a bit of a letdown. 218 00:14:45.299 --> 00:14:46.379 I like the 1st 2 episodes. 219 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.940 There's a humour sequence with when the doctor's been harassed with the, what are they called, those? 220 00:14:50.940 --> 00:14:59.039 The water, and then that one, that one guy from the religious giving is hell and he flicks that thing and it ends up on his army, going screaming off into the jungle. 221 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:00.059 I just burst out loud. 222 00:15:00.539 --> 00:15:04.320 Top is really horrible, horribly violent in this as well. 223 00:15:04.379 --> 00:15:05.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 224 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.840 I mean, of course, Tom himself was not too happy at the moment because he didn't want another companion. 225 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:16.259 He certainly didn't want a companion who drew the viewer's eye in the frame. 226 00:15:16.860 --> 00:15:18.539 Away from him. 227 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.320 That was his reason, that was his reason for disliking Leila's costume. 228 00:15:22.379 --> 00:15:24.899 He didn't like the way it drew the viewer's eye within the frame. 229 00:15:26.460 --> 00:15:32.879 All credit to Louise Jemison, because she's had to come in as this character, and Tom's not wanting a bar of it. 230 00:15:32.940 --> 00:15:35.340 And for that not to appear on screen. 231 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.159 It actually does appear on the screen. 232 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:39.240 Yes, it does. 233 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:48.659 There is a sequence later on, I think, in this story where he says something to Leila and they'll look that Louise Jemison. gives him. 234 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.000 It's like, that ain't acting. is real. 235 00:15:51.059 --> 00:15:53.340 You do see that from time to time too. 236 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:57.059 And he'll refuse to speak to her or make eye contact with her and stuff. 237 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:00.179 I actually think, and I'm watching slightly ahead. 238 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.480 I actually think the doctor's treatment of Lima over the time in the show. 239 00:16:03.539 --> 00:16:04.379 It's pretty horrendous. 240 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:08.279 It's actually, he actually tells her to shut up and all these things all the way through. 241 00:16:08.340 --> 00:16:10.679 And I actually think up to this... 242 00:16:10.740 --> 00:16:12.659 We don't see it yet, and I'm sort of jumping a bit ahead. 243 00:16:12.779 --> 00:16:17.399 I just feel that it's possibly the worst treatment of a companion up to this point. 244 00:16:17.460 --> 00:16:19.559 I can't predict it. 245 00:16:19.620 --> 00:16:20.879 Well, yeah. 246 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.519 But I'm getting sidetracked here. 247 00:16:23.580 --> 00:16:25.559 The doctor didn't dislike Dodo. 248 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.539 He treads on her lines. 249 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:36.659 It's not just the worst treatment of a companion, but it's the worst treatment of a regular castman because Tom repeatedly treads on Leela's on Louise's lines and stuff as well. 250 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:45.240 Like, he's really, you know, he hasn't been in the show for that long and he's really petulant and demanding and ungenerous already, I think. 251 00:16:45.299 --> 00:16:47.639 The end of this episode, episode two. 252 00:16:47.700 --> 00:16:50.580 I think it's Tomas's imperil. 253 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:50.940 Yeah. 254 00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:51.240 Yeah. 255 00:16:51.299 --> 00:16:51.600 Yeah. 256 00:16:51.659 --> 00:16:56.340 So it's interesting to have not the companion in peril. 257 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:01.500 But it's also the fact that the monsters have taken the form of the doctor's face. 258 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:02.100 Yeah, of course. 259 00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:12.180 Which we haven't really touched on this, but I find it really odd because in the massacre, Nathan, in the massacre, we had essentially evil William Hartnell. 260 00:17:12.420 --> 00:17:20.700 And of course, Hartnell wanted there to be another evil version of the doctor, the son of Doctor Who, played by William Hartnock. 261 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:22.079 Thank God that didn't happen. 262 00:17:22.259 --> 00:17:25.200 We had salamander, of course. 263 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.400 We've had Android Doctor Who. 264 00:17:29.460 --> 00:17:31.259 We've had 2 Android doctors. 265 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:32.579 Where did we get evil Pertwe? 266 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:35.160 I would have loved to see Eva. 267 00:17:35.579 --> 00:17:38.460 I would have thought Nathan you would have said we did have... 268 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:40.619 You know, season seven. 269 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.740 Well, no, Joe Sandwiches, need I say more? 270 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:48.839 But yeah, that's what I'm thinking. you know, this is our 2nd evil Tom in 3 years. 271 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:51.000 No evil per tweet. 272 00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:51.900 No evil per week. 273 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:52.619 That seems unfair. 274 00:17:52.680 --> 00:18:00.599 That being said, I think this is this is a far better evil, Tom. and we'll get arguably 2 more evil tongs before Tom is finished. 275 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:01.799 But I can think of one. 276 00:18:01.859 --> 00:18:02.579 Yes, exactly. 277 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:03.420 Moving on. 278 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:08.700 I think Tom's performance is Zoannan. is really, really good. 279 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:15.660 It has to be limited both in the fact that it's a voice, and of course, Zoannan's a bit mad, and it's always a bit hard to play a mad character. 280 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:19.799 It's like, do you go completely zany. do you go just a little bit unhinged? 281 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:21.660 And he just goes a little bit unhinged. 282 00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:25.200 And that wonderful bit, where the doctors put neither to sleep. 283 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:32.160 And thankfully, you know, he stops Leila cooperating and just puts him to sleep. 284 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:36.299 But he has the conversation with Zoanna and starts getting scared. 285 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:38.519 Tom is spectacular. 286 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:39.660 Yeah, he's really good. 287 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:40.980 As the doctor in that scene. 288 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:41.880 Yeah, wonderful. 289 00:18:41.940 --> 00:18:43.740 You, me. 290 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:45.000 Us. 291 00:18:45.059 --> 00:18:46.200 We. 292 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.500 And then we go inside the city of the Tesh. 293 00:18:49.619 --> 00:18:52.019 Gosh, the Tesh are crummy, aren't they? 294 00:18:52.079 --> 00:19:09.359 So the idea that we eventually learn that what's happening here is that Zoanon, who's essentially God, has pit these 2 groups of people against one another because he's crazy and he wants to externalise his suffering and make everyone suffer. 295 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:12.660 And it's a very negative polemic against religion, as I said before. 296 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:14.819 But he's been telling himself. 297 00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:23.759 So Anon's been telling himself that it's a eugenics thing, that he's trying to breed the best kind of people of, you know, like strengthen courage. 298 00:19:23.819 --> 00:19:25.980 How are the Tesh breeding? 299 00:19:26.339 --> 00:19:29.519 There's no women. 300 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:30.119 There's no women. 301 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:34.740 We only see Leila and then Pocahontas runs through at some point, right? 302 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:36.359 And that's it. 303 00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:39.180 And the Tesh, I mean what the hell are they wearing? 304 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.880 Those shoulder pads, their helmets. 305 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.400 Turquoise and magenta. 306 00:19:44.460 --> 00:19:46.319 And they're just nappies, aren't they? 307 00:19:46.380 --> 00:19:47.039 The pants. 308 00:19:47.099 --> 00:19:48.839 I mean they're really, really terrible. 309 00:19:48.900 --> 00:19:54.660 And they've got sort of yellow, you know, they've got yellow makeup and the curtsey bowie. 310 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:55.440 God's doing it now. 311 00:19:56.579 --> 00:20:01.259 It's terrible. just now. essentially how he says hello. 312 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:15.960 The thing is, I quite like their performances because I like the sort of fage and useless gentility of them because, you know, they're all perfectly nice and pleasant, and now we're going to dissect you with a laser. 313 00:20:16.259 --> 00:20:18.359 With a freaking laser. 314 00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:21.660 We get a bit of a stupid Doctor Who capture an escape. 315 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:25.500 It's not even a cliffhanger when they when they destroy the laser with a handheld mirror. 316 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:26.700 What is the laser? 317 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:28.079 Where did the mirror come from? 318 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:28.980 Yeah, exactly. 319 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.019 You know, he's just had it up his sleeve. 320 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:32.579 And even if he's got it up his sleeve. 321 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:33.900 That's not where the laser's going. 322 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.819 The laser could be going in the other direction. 323 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.700 Yeah, I mean, coming in that direction, they'd be gone. 324 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:40.079 Like, it'd be over. 325 00:20:40.140 --> 00:20:41.339 Well, Leila would be gone. 326 00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:44.819 And then we get into part four. 327 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:46.319 Wait a sec. 328 00:20:46.380 --> 00:20:48.599 Can I just mention that Leila shaves her armpits? 329 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:51.599 Well, It's a very modern woman. 330 00:20:51.660 --> 00:20:53.700 A very modern tribeswoman. 331 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:55.920 Maybe that's part of the eugenics experiment. 332 00:20:55.980 --> 00:20:58.140 Ah, they've bred out, aren't they? 333 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:00.180 They may have bred out female body hair. 334 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.500 They haven't bred out male body hair. 335 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:02.039 We can see that. 336 00:21:02.099 --> 00:21:03.599 I like their story. 337 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:07.200 Sorry, dear listen. 338 00:21:07.259 --> 00:21:08.759 No, no, no, terrible, terrible. 339 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:12.359 We're sort of trying to move past, you know, into part four. 340 00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:14.279 There's a teshue cowards. 341 00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:16.380 He looks like one of the McGann brothers. 342 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:21.180 Oh, the one who cowers in the corridor and the lights are going off and yeah, it sort of explains. 343 00:21:21.180 --> 00:21:24.000 It's aesthetic collapse, pathetic collapse winning. 344 00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:25.619 Does he sort of lower himself gently to the ground? 345 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.299 Oh, I love that. 346 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:28.319 It's not good. 347 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:29.940 Do you remember the electrified walls? 348 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.359 I remember the electrified walls and being terrified of those as a child. 349 00:21:33.420 --> 00:21:42.119 And of course, the doctor kills someone by kicking that guy into the electrified ball because he gets possessed by Zoana and tries to attack him. 350 00:21:42.180 --> 00:21:47.039 One of the things I always remember about the story was those walls with the little cubes all the way up. 351 00:21:47.099 --> 00:21:48.720 They look like chocolate... 352 00:21:48.779 --> 00:21:49.140 Yeah, yeah. 353 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:55.440 And but the fact that it was like a triangular set that they just seemed to be going around the same set and then neither gets in there with the guns. 354 00:21:55.500 --> 00:21:57.480 I always remember the guns with the big... 355 00:21:57.539 --> 00:21:58.500 Those guns are superb. 356 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.319 That's a great prop. 357 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:12.779 But I always thought it was really ropey that we suddenly went up into the doctor's face and then there was that bit of effect where they walked through the wall and then there's a voiceover to explain how they get from there to the rockets. 358 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:17.039 It is very odd when everything else has been so visual and had such strong visuals and design. 359 00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:20.400 It is odd that, yeah, that's all done with voice. 360 00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:22.140 They don't even put a graphic on. 361 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.819 Like they could, they could put a little light, like in the Time Warrior, where there's a light on a tennis pole. 362 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:28.500 But just something. 363 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:32.160 It's just like, oh, we need to get from A to B. We're just going to say it, boom, go. 364 00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:34.140 But then the 17, they just get in there. 365 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:38.220 They're just boom, suddenly they're, there's no, there's no scene to see them discovering that. 366 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:49.619 And it's just, it's just a few little plot things like that that, and the Tesh that make this story sort of, after the 1st episodes, which I really love, just go downhill for the last two. 367 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:54.960 But I just realised we could have had a whole scene with the 7 team riding a tram for the 1st time. 368 00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:56.519 That would have been great. 369 00:22:56.579 --> 00:23:02.220 We have, however, glossed over the episode 3 cliffhanger, which we should come back to. 370 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.220 So we've got, I believe it's Tom, of course. 371 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.859 Greg D'Paulne and Pamela. 372 00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:12.000 Pamela Sailor, who are in the next story, but they came back. 373 00:23:12.059 --> 00:23:16.980 They came back to reloop this and young Anthony Freeze, who won a competition. 374 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:33.599 Well, funny you should say that, because as he recalls it, Pennant Roberts wife was a teacher at his school, and they wanted a child to voice that cliffhanger, because, of course, we're genetically coded in such a way that children screaming is distressing to us. 375 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:39.539 Science has actually proven that, you know, socially coded and it's in our DNA as well. 376 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:46.440 So, yeah, he was brought in and he recorded it once in a recording session as a pre-thing and they were going to play it in. 377 00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:49.259 And then for whatever reason, it didn't work out. 378 00:23:49.319 --> 00:24:06.839 So he came to the set, and Pamela Salem and Greg DePolno were there as well, and I had to record it again, and he's interviewed on the DVD, and he's just like, it was amazing, you know, I was on set with Tom Baker, and he gave me a poster to Anthony, a great day's work from the doctor, 1876. 379 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:19.799 But yeah, it's, I mean, 1st of all, it's effective because it's Tom sort of collapsing to his knees and, you know, you think of his doctor as being this very upright figure who doesn't get overpowered. 380 00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:24.240 But as we've discovered, he's getting overpowered quite often in these 1st few years. 381 00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.039 You know, Stire knocks him down. 382 00:24:26.099 --> 00:24:28.559 He's chained to the table by Stigren. 383 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:31.559 Morbius, knocks him out, and he easily looks. 384 00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:32.640 So it's not that uncommon. 385 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:33.720 Tech makes him kneel. 386 00:24:33.779 --> 00:24:35.519 So Tech makes him mad. 387 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:51.359 But also, we've had all these Doctor Who villains and monsters who, even when they are sort of determined, the doctor tries to reason with them, and they do reason back with him, and it's a discussion, there is no reasoning with Zoanna. 388 00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:56.339 Because Zoanna, 1st of all, won't accept the doctor's identity. 389 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.019 Just no, no, no, no, no. 390 00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:59.519 And then start screaming, who am I? 391 00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:06.660 It's so effective because it's such a different enemy and it's such a different villain in that, you know, it's the doctor. 392 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.640 And then it's a child screaming. 393 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:16.859 And when the child starts screaming, all the other voices disappear, all the other sound disappears and you just have the child shouting, who am I? 394 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:17.160 am I? 395 00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:17.579 Who am I? 396 00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:19.019 And then the credits kick in. 397 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:20.400 It's so welled up. 398 00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:26.819 You've got the visuals too, where you've got those 3 screens, you know, with the projected pictures, like of Tom's face. 399 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:30.839 And you actually see Tom saying, who am I when the child's saying it? 400 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:34.019 And it's really fabulously visual and hugely exciting. 401 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:39.180 And, you know, it'll be recycled later in Blake 7 for dawn of dawn of the gods. 402 00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:40.859 Don't want to say. 403 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.339 Harvest of the gods, Dawn of Chiros, one of those. 404 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:50.640 In fact, this whole setting, Chris Boucher completely reuses over and over again in Blake 7. 405 00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:51.000 You know? 406 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.440 He's the new Terry Nation. 407 00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:53.339 He really is. 408 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.599 But it all starts here. 409 00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:56.640 This is the black 7 years of Doctor Who. 410 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:57.180 Yeah. 411 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:03.420 It's just an interesting at the end of this story that the doctor's been lying around for two days when he wakes up. 412 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:04.079 I think that's quite fun. 413 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.599 And the doctor leaves and the doctor leaves them bickering. 414 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:17.099 I actually really like the bit, too, that Leila's talking to him about the situation between the Tesh and the 17 and, you know, how they've not been getting on and they have an uneasy truce. 415 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.539 And then we get to see it. 416 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:23.039 But, like, the idea that the doctor's been out cold for 2 days while those guys have been wrangling. 417 00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:33.420 You know, and we're going to leave it behind as there's kind of going to be the worst on couple kind of on coupling space sort of premise for a sitcom sometime in the future. 418 00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:37.619 And Leila narrowly misses out on the opportunity to be in charge of it. 419 00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:44.400 There is one scene that I want to mention because Douglas Adams rips it off shamelessly in life, the universe and everything. 420 00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:48.660 And that's the scene once Zoanon's been healed. 421 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:53.880 Which unfortunately the doctor just does by pressing some buttons on thing, which is all very dull. 422 00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:58.319 But, um, Zanon's been healed and the doctor and Leila go to visit. 423 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.500 So, Anon, a chat, and Zanon's really nice and rash. 424 00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:03.299 A little chaise launch, a gramophone. 425 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:04.140 But that's it. 426 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:05.640 The couch appears. 427 00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:06.720 Yes, right. 428 00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:08.220 And they sit on it. 429 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:18.240 And then for a 2nd it looks like Zoan's going to be psychoanalyse because he says, you know, where do you think I 1st went wrong and the doctor realises he's sitting on this couch and we've got a therapy session in progress. 430 00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:39.119 But Duncan Adams uses it in life, the universe, and everything, because remember that, um, uh, there's a, uh, supercomputer orbiting around the planet cricket, which influences the society of the cricketers so that they become, you know, sort of xenophobic homicidal maniacs because of his own sort of personality thing. 431 00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:51.359 And Hakta is the name of the computer, and he's eventually restored, and Trillion and Arthur meet him in this void, where they have a pleasant conversation, and a Chesterfield sofa appears, and, you know, they sit and chat with him. 432 00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:56.880 So Douglas has ripped off Doctor Who before, obviously, but this is a pretty obvious one here. 433 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:57.599 Yes. 434 00:27:57.660 --> 00:27:58.319 Yes. 435 00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:04.319 At the end of the episode, I believe there were two different endings filmed, one where leader goes with, one where she doesn't. 436 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:10.079 But it's really interesting that she actually asked the doctor to be taken with him. 437 00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:14.339 Like, and in the new series, if you ask for that privilege, you end up dying. 438 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.380 Yes. 439 00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:19.799 Or you get a hole in your head. 440 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.140 Of course, yes. 441 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:30.059 I mentioned earlier that Leila being cast out gives her an immediate synergy with the doctor, if you like. 442 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:41.339 The end of this is, um, it's the same kind of thing as the ending of the deadly assassin, because of course, the ending is deadly assassin. doctor's been elected as president and slips away quietly. 443 00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:48.599 The ending of this, the Tesh and the 17 both say to Leila, oh, you should lead us. you know, we both trust you. and she says, no, no, I'm voter unreasonable. 444 00:28:48.660 --> 00:28:49.500 Don't you agree, doctor? 445 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.099 And she runs after him to avoid becoming the leader of the planet. 446 00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:54.480 You know, like doctors. 447 00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:55.799 It would be a pretty thankless task. 448 00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:56.460 Yeah, exactly. 449 00:28:56.579 --> 00:29:03.420 But like the doctor, she runs away from the enforced responsibility in order to make her own choice. 450 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:09.839 And yeah, even the doctor, you know, rejects her, because much like Tom, the doctor doesn't want to travel with anyone right now. 451 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.619 And then she goes inside and you get that great bit of, don't touch that. 452 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.019 You know, it's the helmet regulator again. 453 00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:24.240 Yeah, you know, it's stupid Scooby-Doo ending comedy, but it's sold by the fact that she sort of skips in naughtily and the dog's like, come out with that. 454 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.500 Come out. 455 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:29.759 And again, that's that's kind of Bond and Honey Rider once again. 456 00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:31.920 But without the sex because. 457 00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.200 No hanky-panky in the title. 458 00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:34.680 Thank God. 459 00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:39.359 Look, I have to say that I expected to like this a lot less than I did. 460 00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:42.960 And I think that there are production flaws that we've all identified. 461 00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:48.059 But for me, this has some real. real proper science fiction in it for a change. 462 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:48.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 463 00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:57.180 Some really thoughtful ideas and a, and, you know, a little bit of sort of thematic content, which is reasonably interesting. 464 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:02.160 There are some great performances and it really does introduce a pretty spectacular new companion. 465 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:03.599 So I think it's a net win. 466 00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:04.140 Yeah. 467 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.079 Look, I think it's a when I like the performances. 468 00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:12.660 I do think it goes downhill once we hit the Tesh, and I'm less engrossed with that part of the story. 469 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.359 I know you 2 have praised all the Zoran and stuff. 470 00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:17.460 Some of that leaves me a bit cold. 471 00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:23.519 I think it's a better script than the previous two, but it's my 2nd least favourite of the season. 472 00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:25.380 So, yeah. 473 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:35.519 Just to close out, I mean, something we really criticised Deadly Assassin for last week was the level and tone of the violence in the show. 474 00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:39.059 Now this, I would say, is still very violent. 475 00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:43.799 You know, you've got gun battles, you've got stabbings, you've got Janus Thorns, you've got crossbows. 476 00:30:43.859 --> 00:30:45.180 Leila kills 5 people. 477 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.200 So she kills 3 people in episode one and she does kill 2 of the Tesh later on. 478 00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:50.460 But the doctor's not doing that. 479 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:51.480 Killing. 480 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.519 And importantly. kill that one guy. 481 00:30:53.579 --> 00:30:54.059 Yeah. 482 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:55.559 And he throws a hoarder on the other guy. 483 00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:56.819 That's funny. 484 00:30:56.940 --> 00:31:03.000 Importantly, the doctor comments on the violence. in this story. in this story. 485 00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:13.140 And it's been a while since he's sort of commented on people's violent actions, as strongly as he says to Leila, who gave you license to slaughter people. 486 00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:18.299 Because when he when he kills that Tesh, the Tesh is trying to kill him. 487 00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:19.980 Yes, that self-defence. 488 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:29.400 But Leila, when she Janis Thorne's nova from Blake 7 and leaves him in the wall, that's just to block their exit. 489 00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:30.960 And I think that's the doctor's objection. 490 00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:32.759 It's like that was unnecessary. 491 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:33.839 It's Nova from Blake 7. 492 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:36.180 He never survives anything he's in. 493 00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:38.220 Actually, he always ends up in a wall as well. 494 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:39.720 Even in Sapphire and Steel. 495 00:31:49.680 --> 00:32:00.779 Well, dear listener, that's all the time we have for the face of evil, but we'll be back next week as Doctor Who takes another upswing with the robots of death. 496 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:06.299 I'm not gonna say anything else about that right now, just because I think we're all gonna have a lot to say about that. 497 00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:07.619 Until then... 498 00:32:07.619 --> 00:32:08.160 This is terrible. 499 00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:09.960 Until then. 500 00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:12.960 Oh, Nathan has been funny listeners. 501 00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:15.000 Very, very funny. 502 00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:15.779 That's all right. 503 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.059 We'll just replace him with James Selwood next week. 504 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:27.299 Until then, please come and find this online at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. 505 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:34.440 We currently have available on bondfinger.com commentaries for the 1st 3 Connery Bond film. 506 00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:39.059 So, Dr. No, which we've discussed this episode from Russia with Love and Goldfinger. 507 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:45.119 So those are on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook, and iTunes, and Bondfinger cast on Twitter. 508 00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:47.819 Until then, thank you very much for listening and good night. 509 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:48.599 Good night. 510 00:32:48.660 --> 00:32:50.039 See you soon. 511 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:56.460 That was Fled your entirety with Todd BLB, Nathan Bottom, William, Brendan Jones. 512 00:32:56.579 --> 00:33:01.680 This episode, so very sexless, was reported on Sunday, the 2nd of August. 513 00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:04.799 The next episode will be released on October the 11th, 2015. 514 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.279 Who knew the legends of the evil one were all just misunderstandings? 515 00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.500 Zoanna actually eats baby carrots. 516 00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:21.539 I don't have a great opening line for Face of Evil. 517 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.460 So does anyone have any suggestions? 518 00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:25.200 Who am I? 519 00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:28.079 No, no, so the only Doctor Who podcast. 520 00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:29.039 Yeah. 521 00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:32.640 That's all I've got. 522 00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:33.119 Right.