WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 14:49:19 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.179 Hello and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor 2 00:00:33.179 --> 00:00:35.880 Who podcast recorded in the place of land. 3 00:00:35.939 --> 00:00:36.780 I'm Brendan. 4 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:37.740 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:42.960 I'm Todd, and we are on the unnamed world of the Sever team 6 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:44.820 encountering the face of evil. 7 00:00:51.299 --> 00:00:52.979 So we've been off for six weeks. 8 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:57.060 We have, um, the doctor's been travelling around by himself. 9 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:58.920 He's not met Sharon from Blackcastle yet. 10 00:00:59.219 --> 00:01:01.020 I don't know what that is. 11 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:04.920 He also hasn't gone back to pick up Sarah Jane. rather 12 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:05.760 inexplicably. 13 00:01:05.819 --> 00:01:08.219 But, you see, this is the 6 weeks of mourning that we need. 14 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.079 Yes. to get over Sarah Jane. 15 00:01:10.140 --> 00:01:11.519 Yeah, that's right. 16 00:01:11.579 --> 00:01:14.280 And also to get over the fact that we don't have Engen. 17 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.459 Yeah, why wouldn't he angle with that? 18 00:01:17.700 --> 00:01:20.459 Oh, well, at it, why don't we throw in Professor Rumford as well? 19 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:22.019 That'd be awesome. 20 00:01:22.379 --> 00:01:24.299 In a heartbeat. 21 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:25.319 But you know what I love? 22 00:01:25.379 --> 00:01:29.400 I love that the 1st shot is, in fact, the new girl. 23 00:01:29.459 --> 00:01:30.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 24 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.239 I mean, we're continuing a tradition here which Barry Let started 25 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:37.319 with Terror of the Autumns in that, even though we're familiar 26 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:40.620 with the character of the doctor, the meeting between the doctor 27 00:01:40.620 --> 00:01:43.379 and the companion is really focussed on the companion and their 28 00:01:43.379 --> 00:01:43.799 life. 29 00:01:43.859 --> 00:01:47.280 And of course, here, it's taken to another level, because as you 30 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:50.459 say, Todd, what we get before we even see the doctor is a lot of 31 00:01:50.459 --> 00:01:51.659 backstory with Leila. 32 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:54.599 So we know that she doesn't get along with the hierarchy in her 33 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:59.099 tribe, and we hear something horrible happened to her father. 34 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.620 And she is willing to sacrifice. 35 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:02.400 No, we don't. 36 00:02:02.459 --> 00:02:03.180 Oh, we hear it. 37 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:05.219 We hear him see him go and do it. 38 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:06.780 But it's important. 39 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.360 She's being exiled from her tribe for blasphemy. 40 00:02:09.419 --> 00:02:10.620 She's an atheist. 41 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:11.819 She doesn't believe in God. 42 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:16.259 And not only that, but immediately we have a connection between 43 00:02:16.259 --> 00:02:19.020 her and the doctor, because of course, the doctor left Time Lord 44 00:02:19.020 --> 00:02:22.020 Society, because he didn't agree with the way they conducted 45 00:02:22.020 --> 00:02:25.979 themselves, and that's why Leila is being forced out of her 46 00:02:25.979 --> 00:02:26.580 society as well. 47 00:02:26.699 --> 00:02:30.900 You know, so it's a subtle connection, but I think it's quite 48 00:02:30.900 --> 00:02:31.259 powerful. 49 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:32.639 Quite a few first in the story. 50 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:34.680 So we got the first script by Chris Boucher. 51 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:37.800 First story where Matt Irvine was in charge of the visual 52 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:38.099 effects. 53 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:39.780 He had previously just been an assistant. 54 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:44.879 First story for Pennant Roberts as director, and 1st story for the 55 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:49.620 aforementioned Leela, played by the fabulous, uh, wonderful, uh 56 00:02:49.620 --> 00:02:50.400 Louise Jameson. 57 00:02:50.460 --> 00:02:52.500 She is terrific, isn't she? 58 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:53.819 Yeah, right from the start. 59 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.280 Right from the get go. 60 00:02:56.340 --> 00:03:00.300 She has that physical presence, the drawing of the knife that 61 00:03:00.300 --> 00:03:02.340 Leila has, just that physicality. 62 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:07.439 And I think it's so easy to forget, when you look at this story 63 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:08.879 and the 2 after it. 64 00:03:08.939 --> 00:03:10.979 Just, like, she's just there, boom. 65 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.120 Yeah, she just is. 66 00:03:12.180 --> 00:03:15.000 It doesn't take it doesn't take a few stories to warm up or to 67 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:15.479 evolve. 68 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:19.139 Her speech patterns in the 17, just the way in which she phrases 69 00:03:19.139 --> 00:03:19.740 things. 70 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:22.199 There are a few times where she'll say the odd line, I think, in 71 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:24.060 this story, where she sounds like BBC English. 72 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:25.860 You see, I love that. 73 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:26.699 I'm not saying I don't. 74 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:29.400 I'm not saying I don't, and she still does use that, right? 75 00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:33.479 But at times it's sort of my ears prick up at that point. 76 00:03:33.539 --> 00:03:38.939 I also think Louise just looks absolutely, she's so fit, and that 77 00:03:38.939 --> 00:03:42.120 costume, I mean, that's, you know, that iconic costume that she's 78 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:42.300 in. 79 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:45.120 The terrible exploitative costume. 80 00:03:45.180 --> 00:03:45.780 Well... 81 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:46.259 Okay. 82 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:47.759 I'm going to come back to that in a moment. 83 00:03:47.819 --> 00:03:52.800 But it is, it is, you know, I'm glad that she has that costume as 84 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.680 the warrior, you know, I don't like the later one, that other 85 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:59.099 horrible, which one, which I think is much more... which is much 86 00:03:59.099 --> 00:04:01.620 more exploitative than this one because there's no reason to go to 87 00:04:01.620 --> 00:04:03.060 that one if you at all. 88 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:03.840 If you got the other one. 89 00:04:03.900 --> 00:04:06.240 Were you going to say, Brendan, that it's equal opportunity or 90 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:07.680 exploitation? 91 00:04:07.740 --> 00:04:10.620 Yes, 1st of all, like everyone else is quite scandally clad as 92 00:04:10.620 --> 00:04:10.800 well. 93 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:11.939 Hello, David Garfield. 94 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:13.259 Oh, whose name? 95 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:14.460 David Garfield is Neva. 96 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:14.939 Oh, yes. 97 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:15.960 Hello, Neva. 98 00:04:16.019 --> 00:04:21.660 That is a magnetic stare and performance that I remember. 99 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:22.980 I remember as a kid. 100 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.879 He's insane, but he's just mesmerising to watch. 101 00:04:26.939 --> 00:04:29.339 But my favourite character is Tomas. 102 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:30.959 Oh, yeah, totally. 103 00:04:31.019 --> 00:04:32.160 I like Neva. 104 00:04:32.220 --> 00:04:33.959 Oh, not terrific. 105 00:04:34.019 --> 00:04:35.399 Well, Tomas is my favourite. 106 00:04:35.459 --> 00:04:38.519 I mean, and the great Who's yours, dear? 107 00:04:38.579 --> 00:04:39.300 Who's yours? 108 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:40.019 Right in. 109 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:40.920 The great picture. 110 00:04:40.980 --> 00:04:45.060 The great thing about having Tomas in there is the show has been 111 00:04:45.060 --> 00:04:49.019 so very sexless. for most of its run. 112 00:04:49.139 --> 00:04:53.040 And when I say sexless, I'm talking about romance and sexual 113 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:54.180 desire, you know. 114 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:55.199 What about Dodo? 115 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.860 We're not talking about the novels. 116 00:04:58.920 --> 00:04:59.939 No, the elephant. 117 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.379 Of course, when Joe leaves, you know, she and Cliff, they're very 118 00:05:04.379 --> 00:05:05.759 intimate and very personal. 119 00:05:05.819 --> 00:05:10.560 Sarah never really gets any romantic overtures with any 120 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:11.279 characters. 121 00:05:11.339 --> 00:05:13.319 Maybe she doesn't, does she? 122 00:05:13.379 --> 00:05:14.459 Joe does once a year. 123 00:05:14.579 --> 00:05:16.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe. Joe quite often. 124 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:22.920 Leila has this sort of romantic frisson with Thomas very early 125 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:23.220 on. 126 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:27.540 And unlike a lot of other romantic fresons, especially with Joe 127 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.199 Joe quite often wouldn't realise for a little while that the guy 128 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:31.740 fancied her. 129 00:05:31.860 --> 00:05:34.620 And then she'd have to try and figure out a way to let him down 130 00:05:34.620 --> 00:05:34.980 gently. 131 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.259 Because she was always too fabulous for them. 132 00:05:37.259 --> 00:05:37.860 Exactly. 133 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:38.339 Exactly. 134 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.740 Whereas with Leila and Thomas, you get the impression that there 135 00:05:40.740 --> 00:05:43.560 is a mutual attraction there, but Leila doesn't want to endanger 136 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:49.259 him with her exile, you know, but warns him, you know, be careful 137 00:05:49.259 --> 00:05:50.579 of Caleb. 138 00:05:50.699 --> 00:05:56.459 But then on the other side of the program being sexless, because 139 00:05:56.459 --> 00:05:59.879 we have started doing Bondfinger now, Bondfinger.com, check it out 140 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:05.399 I was just struck by the similarity between Leila and the doctor 141 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:08.040 meeting and Bond and Honey Rider. 142 00:06:08.100 --> 00:06:13.019 Because, of course, the shot of Honey Rider is designed to be 143 00:06:13.019 --> 00:06:13.319 sexual. 144 00:06:13.379 --> 00:06:16.860 Can you explain that to viewers who may not have seen this shot? 145 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:17.459 Okay. 146 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:21.240 So Honey Rider in Doctor No, comes out of the sea. 147 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:24.060 James Bond sees her. 148 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:24.660 They talk. 149 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.959 She's a bit scared of him at first, but begins to trust him, blah 150 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:28.139 blah. 151 00:06:28.259 --> 00:06:31.079 Now, the same thing happens in a way with Leila. 152 00:06:31.139 --> 00:06:33.839 She's running through the forest, falls down, and comes across the 153 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:35.879 doctor and they're both quite startled by each other. 154 00:06:35.939 --> 00:06:40.379 But in this, it takes out the element of sexual desire, obviously 155 00:06:40.379 --> 00:06:44.519 because the doctor doesn't do that with his companions and to 156 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:45.779 quote Richard for a second. 157 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:47.819 That's why you don't snog them. 158 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:52.500 But Honey Rider in Doctor No has a sort of childhood naivety, which 159 00:06:52.500 --> 00:06:54.779 you commented on at the time, Nathan. 160 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.420 And Leila has that same naivety with the doctor. 161 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.720 Now, of course, the doctor is a lot more respectful of that than 162 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.939 James Bond is because they're different characters. 163 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:08.279 But that scene, even at this point, which is about 15 years since 164 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:15.660 it was shot, that scene in Doctor No is so indelibly printed on 165 00:07:15.660 --> 00:07:19.620 film culture that I'm sure it was a conscious thing by Pennant 166 00:07:19.620 --> 00:07:21.959 Roberts to draw some visual parallels there. 167 00:07:22.019 --> 00:07:25.079 You know, right down to the fact that she knows the lay of the 168 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:26.100 land and the doctor doesn't. 169 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:31.980 So straight away, we have a companion who, as well as being brave 170 00:07:31.980 --> 00:07:38.399 as well as being independent, has unique skills and talents to 171 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:39.060 offer to the doctor. 172 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.240 And it's all in the 1st 10 minutes. 173 00:07:42.300 --> 00:07:46.139 She's really smart, and it's something that Chris Boucher gets 174 00:07:46.139 --> 00:07:51.300 right and nearly no one else does. that Leila quickly understands 175 00:07:51.300 --> 00:07:53.100 the things that the doctor explains. 176 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:55.079 I mean, she knows how her world works. 177 00:07:55.139 --> 00:07:56.040 Obviously. 178 00:07:56.220 --> 00:07:56.639 Yeah, yeah. 179 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:59.699 And she comes up with clever things that she's the one who 180 00:07:59.699 --> 00:08:02.759 realises there's a hole through the time barrier for Zoanna to 181 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:03.240 speak through. 182 00:08:03.300 --> 00:08:06.779 She understands that the sound of the gong is going to attract the 183 00:08:06.779 --> 00:08:08.879 bantomy things. 184 00:08:08.939 --> 00:08:14.459 You know, she, she's smart, she gets, she gets things very quickly 185 00:08:14.459 --> 00:08:18.540 and it's not gonna last, and I don't think it outlasts Chris 186 00:08:18.540 --> 00:08:19.500 Boucher, actually. 187 00:08:19.980 --> 00:08:22.079 Well, we'll see. 188 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.360 There's something too as we go on. we'll look at it. 189 00:08:24.420 --> 00:08:27.360 But she certainly just wonderfully well written here. 190 00:08:27.420 --> 00:08:29.160 And it is one of those things. 191 00:08:29.220 --> 00:08:33.600 You know, you get introduced with 8 episodes of just terribly well 192 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.720 written Chris Boucher dialogue in your set. 193 00:08:36.779 --> 00:08:43.679 But if Pip and Jane Baker write your 1st 4 to 5 episodes, You've 194 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:44.279 got terrible trouble. 195 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:47.580 Oh, I love Bunny Langford. 196 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:48.240 I love now. 197 00:08:48.299 --> 00:08:50.879 She's wearing a lot of bronzer in certain shops. 198 00:08:50.940 --> 00:08:54.659 She's orange. the rest of the season. 199 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.980 Dear listener, if you check out the making of on the DVD, you'll 200 00:08:58.980 --> 00:09:00.059 see it could have been much worse. 201 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:04.080 Yeah, there's that terrible publicity shot of her in like virtual 202 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:04.919 black place. 203 00:09:04.980 --> 00:09:06.419 Yeah, which is what they were considering. 204 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.379 And Louise Jameson is so wonderful because she says in the 205 00:09:10.379 --> 00:09:10.919 interview there. 206 00:09:10.980 --> 00:09:14.700 The 1st day where we had the shoot, I don't think the makeup girl 207 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:19.799 got it quite right. is her reaction to these shots looking like 208 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:21.240 and this is also a quote from her. 209 00:09:21.299 --> 00:09:23.639 It looks like someone gave me a mug pack and then didn't get it 210 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:24.059 all off. 211 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:28.860 There's a few things in this episode that I want to talk about. 212 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:34.259 First of all, it's Tom arriving in the jungle and facing the 213 00:09:34.259 --> 00:09:36.899 camera and giving that's terrible, isn't it? 214 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.899 Dialogue to the camera, and it goes on, and it goes on, and it 215 00:09:39.899 --> 00:09:40.200 goes on. 216 00:09:40.259 --> 00:09:41.700 I'm going, this is just crumbing. 217 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.919 It's really awful. fully directed. 218 00:09:43.980 --> 00:09:47.580 Yeah, this is, this is, I think again, this is Philip Hingcliffe 219 00:09:47.580 --> 00:09:49.440 saying, okay, Tom, you want to talk to yourself. 220 00:09:49.500 --> 00:09:50.759 This is what happens. 221 00:09:51.779 --> 00:09:54.240 I really like the jungle set. 222 00:09:54.299 --> 00:09:57.539 I actually do, even with those funny pipe things coming down, you 223 00:09:57.539 --> 00:09:57.779 know? 224 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:00.720 Yeah, they are a kind of corrugated pipe, aren't they? 225 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:03.720 Look, I think the sand on the floor of the studio is good and 226 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.820 makes it like that lifts it a bit. 227 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.480 It's not quite as good as the ealing set for Planet of Evil, but 228 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:12.240 it's a lot better than the television centre set for Planet of 229 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:12.539 Evil. 230 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.340 Yes, yes, we can split the difference. 231 00:10:14.460 --> 00:10:14.879 Yes. 232 00:10:14.940 --> 00:10:18.899 And one thing that I just burst out laughing and I always forget 233 00:10:18.899 --> 00:10:23.940 it, is Neva's dance around the doctor, you know, with evil spirit 234 00:10:23.940 --> 00:10:26.820 you know, and that, oh, I just... that has that line. 235 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.000 No, you're obviously a person of very superior internet. 236 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:31.919 Yeah. 237 00:10:31.980 --> 00:10:33.659 If you keep shaking that thing at me. 238 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.879 We're both going to be standing in a smoky hole in the ground. 239 00:10:35.940 --> 00:10:38.580 While he is beaming while saying that. 240 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:43.799 Well, that is part of the big theme of the story, which is it is 241 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.460 an anti-religious polemic, and we won't see the same sort of thing 242 00:10:47.460 --> 00:10:51.419 onto a planet of fire, I think, when it's toned down, really 243 00:10:51.419 --> 00:10:55.860 massively, but you have God, and God is a malevolent figure here. 244 00:10:55.919 --> 00:11:00.299 In fact, you know, each tribe's god is the other one's evil one in 245 00:11:00.299 --> 00:11:00.720 a sense. 246 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:01.259 Yeah. 247 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:06.600 And all of this stuff, like Neva gives a litany, which is readings 248 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:07.500 and responses. 249 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.100 It's like prayers in church, you know, he has various rituals, but 250 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:13.080 his religion is a cargo cult. 251 00:11:13.139 --> 00:11:16.860 It's based on the misinterpretation of various technological 252 00:11:16.860 --> 00:11:20.460 devices that have been left behind by his ancestors, you know. 253 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.820 And so he's got he's got that fantastic glove hat. 254 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.039 You know. hilarious. 255 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:30.539 All of that, like, and he's wearing a spacesuit draped over his 256 00:11:30.539 --> 00:11:32.159 back and so on, you know? 257 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:36.419 So he doesn't understand the past and his his litany is all this 258 00:11:36.419 --> 00:11:39.720 sort of distortion of, you know, historical events that he doesn't 259 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:40.500 understand properly. 260 00:11:40.620 --> 00:11:42.000 And then we meet the test. 261 00:11:42.059 --> 00:11:44.820 They have their own religion, which is the same kind of thing. 262 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:48.179 And here, God, it's, you know, it was originally going to be 263 00:11:48.179 --> 00:11:50.580 called the day that God went mad, wasn't it? 264 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:55.139 And it's, it's God causing the conflict between the Seve team and 265 00:11:55.139 --> 00:11:55.620 the Tesh. 266 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:57.539 And the word Zoanna on it. 267 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.840 I happen to know. comes from the Greek word, an ancient Greek word 268 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:05.039 which means to carve, and it means like a wooden, a carved wooden 269 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.379 figure that's worshipped as a god, like an idol. 270 00:12:07.500 --> 00:12:08.399 Oh, I see. 271 00:12:08.460 --> 00:12:13.860 So like the carving in the rock faces like echoing presence. 272 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.440 That's not very well done, is it that model? 273 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:19.559 No, but I think it's as well done as they could make it. 274 00:12:19.620 --> 00:12:21.659 It's a pretty striking cliffhanger, though. 275 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:22.679 Yes, absolutely. 276 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:26.279 But this is something I find that I find really hard to buy, that 277 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:30.659 the doctor doesn't remember this, and they try and place this in 278 00:12:30.659 --> 00:12:32.220 the timeline of the show, don't they? 279 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:33.240 Yeah, yeah. 280 00:12:33.299 --> 00:12:35.039 I think it's in the novelisation. 281 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:37.679 I think it's Terrence Dix's novelisation, am I right? 282 00:12:37.740 --> 00:12:38.100 Yes. 283 00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:40.919 And Terrence places it during robot. 284 00:12:40.980 --> 00:12:45.779 And so the doctor's still unstable from his regeneration, and he 285 00:12:45.779 --> 00:12:46.620 disappears. 286 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.620 I don't think it's when Sarah is hammering on the door of the 287 00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:53.519 TARDIS or something, but sometime during robot, he goes and meets 288 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:56.159 the more de-expedition, and that's when it happens. 289 00:12:56.220 --> 00:12:59.700 Because it couldn't have happened with Sarah there because Sarah 290 00:12:59.700 --> 00:13:01.200 would have slapped him out of it. 291 00:13:01.259 --> 00:13:04.440 I don't, and possibly they would have worshipped Sarah like we 292 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:04.620 do. 293 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:08.700 So therefore I don't always, I never quite bought that as a kid 294 00:13:08.700 --> 00:13:09.059 right? 295 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:10.740 It's one thing that I find a little bit ropey. 296 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:14.159 And the fact that the Sever team have had to have degenerated so 297 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:18.779 much, you know, there's this huge divide between both of them. 298 00:13:18.899 --> 00:13:23.279 And it's now at this particular juncture that, you know, Zonan's 299 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:24.419 like completely losing it. 300 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.500 I mean, there's that shop where the doctor finds the electronic 301 00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:31.620 device in the sand and like, you know, and leave us there and I 302 00:13:31.620 --> 00:13:34.980 kind of think surely nobody somebody else could have found that 303 00:13:34.980 --> 00:13:35.399 you know? 304 00:13:35.460 --> 00:13:36.120 That's right. 305 00:13:36.179 --> 00:13:37.320 All he does is move a leaf. 306 00:13:37.379 --> 00:13:38.039 I know. 307 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:42.120 It sort of leads to the less credibility of the village. 308 00:13:42.179 --> 00:13:43.679 And you only see part of the village. 309 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.500 And like, these young warriors are dying, left right and centred 310 00:13:46.500 --> 00:13:49.500 by Janus Thorns every 2 minutes in episode one. 311 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:51.840 And sort of like, can you afford to kill off these people and send 312 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:53.220 this girl away? 313 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.679 Like, how big is this village? 314 00:13:55.740 --> 00:13:58.440 Like, you know, I don't, I couldn't see it being several 100 315 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:00.000 people because we never see that. 316 00:14:00.059 --> 00:14:01.379 So I kind of... 317 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:04.620 Leila kills 3 people in episode one. 318 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:05.580 Am I right? 319 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.220 There's at least 2 because I know there's at least two. 320 00:14:08.340 --> 00:14:10.500 So she crossbows one of the guys pursuing her. 321 00:14:10.500 --> 00:14:11.700 Okay, so there's three. 322 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.000 And then she stabs that one guy and then she sticks a Janus Thorne 323 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:15.539 and the other guy. 324 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.419 So she kills 3 people in the village and you're right. 325 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.700 It's only, and they must know them all. you know what I mean? 326 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.539 Like, she must kill the guy who, you know, used to, I don't know 327 00:14:24.539 --> 00:14:27.120 sell meat or, you know, deliver the paper or something. 328 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.899 And there's this thing again in the season where we're given 329 00:14:30.899 --> 00:14:33.659 scripts where it's like this room or this part of the village. 330 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.000 It's not you don't you're not seeing the whole thing because of 331 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.039 budget limitations or whatever. 332 00:14:38.100 --> 00:14:40.679 So I always, I don't quite buy it, right? 333 00:14:40.740 --> 00:14:44.759 which is one of the aspects of this story that for me is a bit of 334 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:45.240 a letdown. 335 00:14:45.299 --> 00:14:46.379 I like the 1st 2 episodes. 336 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:48.960 There's a humour sequence with when the doctor's been harassed 337 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:50.940 with the, what are they called, those? 338 00:14:50.940 --> 00:14:54.120 The water, and then that one, that one guy from the religious 339 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:57.600 giving is hell and he flicks that thing and it ends up on his army 340 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:59.039 going screaming off into the jungle. 341 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:00.059 I just burst out loud. 342 00:15:00.539 --> 00:15:04.320 Top is really horrible, horribly violent in this as well. 343 00:15:04.379 --> 00:15:05.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 344 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.279 I mean, of course, Tom himself was not too happy at the moment 345 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:09.840 because he didn't want another companion. 346 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:15.720 He certainly didn't want a companion who drew the viewer's eye in 347 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:16.259 the frame. 348 00:15:16.860 --> 00:15:18.539 Away from him. 349 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.019 That was his reason, that was his reason for disliking Leila's 350 00:15:22.019 --> 00:15:22.320 costume. 351 00:15:22.379 --> 00:15:24.899 He didn't like the way it drew the viewer's eye within the frame. 352 00:15:26.460 --> 00:15:30.480 All credit to Louise Jemison, because she's had to come in as this 353 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.879 character, and Tom's not wanting a bar of it. 354 00:15:32.940 --> 00:15:35.340 And for that not to appear on screen. 355 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.159 It actually does appear on the screen. 356 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:39.240 Yes, it does. 357 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:43.860 There is a sequence later on, I think, in this story where he says 358 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.240 something to Leila and they'll look that Louise Jemison. gives 359 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:48.659 him. 360 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.000 It's like, that ain't acting. is real. 361 00:15:51.059 --> 00:15:53.340 You do see that from time to time too. 362 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.759 And he'll refuse to speak to her or make eye contact with her and 363 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:57.059 stuff. 364 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:00.179 I actually think, and I'm watching slightly ahead. 365 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.120 I actually think the doctor's treatment of Lima over the time in 366 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:03.480 the show. 367 00:16:03.539 --> 00:16:04.379 It's pretty horrendous. 368 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.379 It's actually, he actually tells her to shut up and all these 369 00:16:07.379 --> 00:16:08.279 things all the way through. 370 00:16:08.340 --> 00:16:10.679 And I actually think up to this... 371 00:16:10.740 --> 00:16:12.659 We don't see it yet, and I'm sort of jumping a bit ahead. 372 00:16:12.779 --> 00:16:16.379 I just feel that it's possibly the worst treatment of a companion 373 00:16:16.379 --> 00:16:17.399 up to this point. 374 00:16:17.460 --> 00:16:19.559 I can't predict it. 375 00:16:19.620 --> 00:16:20.879 Well, yeah. 376 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.519 But I'm getting sidetracked here. 377 00:16:23.580 --> 00:16:25.559 The doctor didn't dislike Dodo. 378 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.539 He treads on her lines. 379 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:29.639 It's not just the worst treatment of a companion, but it's the 380 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.299 worst treatment of a regular castman because Tom repeatedly treads 381 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:36.659 on Leela's on Louise's lines and stuff as well. 382 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.960 Like, he's really, you know, he hasn't been in the show for that 383 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:44.879 long and he's really petulant and demanding and ungenerous already 384 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:45.240 I think. 385 00:16:45.299 --> 00:16:47.639 The end of this episode, episode two. 386 00:16:47.700 --> 00:16:50.580 I think it's Tomas's imperil. 387 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:50.940 Yeah. 388 00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:51.240 Yeah. 389 00:16:51.299 --> 00:16:51.600 Yeah. 390 00:16:51.659 --> 00:16:56.340 So it's interesting to have not the companion in peril. 391 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.419 But it's also the fact that the monsters have taken the form of 392 00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:01.500 the doctor's face. 393 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:02.100 Yeah, of course. 394 00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:05.460 Which we haven't really touched on this, but I find it really odd 395 00:17:05.460 --> 00:17:09.720 because in the massacre, Nathan, in the massacre, we had 396 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:12.180 essentially evil William Hartnell. 397 00:17:12.420 --> 00:17:17.220 And of course, Hartnell wanted there to be another evil version of 398 00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:20.700 the doctor, the son of Doctor Who, played by William Hartnock. 399 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:22.079 Thank God that didn't happen. 400 00:17:22.259 --> 00:17:25.200 We had salamander, of course. 401 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.400 We've had Android Doctor Who. 402 00:17:29.460 --> 00:17:31.259 We've had 2 Android doctors. 403 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:32.579 Where did we get evil Pertwe? 404 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:35.160 I would have loved to see Eva. 405 00:17:35.579 --> 00:17:38.460 I would have thought Nathan you would have said we did have... 406 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:40.619 You know, season seven. 407 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.740 Well, no, Joe Sandwiches, need I say more? 408 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:47.819 But yeah, that's what I'm thinking. you know, this is our 2nd evil 409 00:17:47.819 --> 00:17:48.839 Tom in 3 years. 410 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:51.000 No evil per tweet. 411 00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:51.900 No evil per week. 412 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:52.619 That seems unfair. 413 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.220 That being said, I think this is this is a far better evil, Tom 414 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.599 and we'll get arguably 2 more evil tongs before Tom is finished. 415 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:01.799 But I can think of one. 416 00:18:01.859 --> 00:18:02.579 Yes, exactly. 417 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:03.420 Moving on. 418 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:08.700 I think Tom's performance is Zoannan. is really, really good. 419 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.240 It has to be limited both in the fact that it's a voice, and of 420 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.000 course, Zoannan's a bit mad, and it's always a bit hard to play a 421 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:15.660 mad character. 422 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:19.019 It's like, do you go completely zany. do you go just a little bit 423 00:18:19.019 --> 00:18:19.799 unhinged? 424 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:21.660 And he just goes a little bit unhinged. 425 00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:25.200 And that wonderful bit, where the doctors put neither to sleep. 426 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:31.559 And thankfully, you know, he stops Leila cooperating and just puts 427 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:32.160 him to sleep. 428 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:35.940 But he has the conversation with Zoanna and starts getting 429 00:18:35.940 --> 00:18:36.299 scared. 430 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:38.519 Tom is spectacular. 431 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:39.660 Yeah, he's really good. 432 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:40.980 As the doctor in that scene. 433 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:41.880 Yeah, wonderful. 434 00:18:41.940 --> 00:18:43.740 You, me. 435 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:45.000 Us. 436 00:18:45.059 --> 00:18:46.200 We. 437 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.500 And then we go inside the city of the Tesh. 438 00:18:49.619 --> 00:18:52.019 Gosh, the Tesh are crummy, aren't they? 439 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.980 So the idea that we eventually learn that what's happening here is 440 00:18:55.980 --> 00:19:00.960 that Zoanon, who's essentially God, has pit these 2 groups of 441 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:06.539 people against one another because he's crazy and he wants to 442 00:19:06.539 --> 00:19:09.359 externalise his suffering and make everyone suffer. 443 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:12.359 And it's a very negative polemic against religion, as I said 444 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:12.660 before. 445 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:14.819 But he's been telling himself. 446 00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:18.779 So Anon's been telling himself that it's a eugenics thing, that 447 00:19:18.779 --> 00:19:22.500 he's trying to breed the best kind of people of, you know, like 448 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:23.759 strengthen courage. 449 00:19:23.819 --> 00:19:25.980 How are the Tesh breeding? 450 00:19:26.339 --> 00:19:29.519 There's no women. 451 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:30.119 There's no women. 452 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:34.319 We only see Leila and then Pocahontas runs through at some point 453 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:34.740 right? 454 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:36.359 And that's it. 455 00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:39.180 And the Tesh, I mean what the hell are they wearing? 456 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.880 Those shoulder pads, their helmets. 457 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.400 Turquoise and magenta. 458 00:19:44.460 --> 00:19:46.319 And they're just nappies, aren't they? 459 00:19:46.380 --> 00:19:47.039 The pants. 460 00:19:47.099 --> 00:19:48.839 I mean they're really, really terrible. 461 00:19:48.900 --> 00:19:51.660 And they've got sort of yellow, you know, they've got yellow 462 00:19:51.660 --> 00:19:54.660 makeup and the curtsey bowie. 463 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:55.440 God's doing it now. 464 00:19:56.579 --> 00:20:01.259 It's terrible. just now. essentially how he says hello. 465 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:06.359 The thing is, I quite like their performances because I like the 466 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:10.920 sort of fage and useless gentility of them because, you know 467 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:14.220 they're all perfectly nice and pleasant, and now we're going to 468 00:20:14.220 --> 00:20:15.960 dissect you with a laser. 469 00:20:16.259 --> 00:20:18.359 With a freaking laser. 470 00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:21.660 We get a bit of a stupid Doctor Who capture an escape. 471 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:24.420 It's not even a cliffhanger when they when they destroy the laser 472 00:20:24.420 --> 00:20:25.500 with a handheld mirror. 473 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:26.700 What is the laser? 474 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:28.079 Where did the mirror come from? 475 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:28.980 Yeah, exactly. 476 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.019 You know, he's just had it up his sleeve. 477 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:32.579 And even if he's got it up his sleeve. 478 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:33.900 That's not where the laser's going. 479 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.819 The laser could be going in the other direction. 480 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.700 Yeah, I mean, coming in that direction, they'd be gone. 481 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:40.079 Like, it'd be over. 482 00:20:40.140 --> 00:20:41.339 Well, Leila would be gone. 483 00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:44.819 And then we get into part four. 484 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:46.319 Wait a sec. 485 00:20:46.380 --> 00:20:48.599 Can I just mention that Leila shaves her armpits? 486 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:51.599 Well, It's a very modern woman. 487 00:20:51.660 --> 00:20:53.700 A very modern tribeswoman. 488 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:55.920 Maybe that's part of the eugenics experiment. 489 00:20:55.980 --> 00:20:58.140 Ah, they've bred out, aren't they? 490 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:00.180 They may have bred out female body hair. 491 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.500 They haven't bred out male body hair. 492 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:02.039 We can see that. 493 00:21:02.099 --> 00:21:03.599 I like their story. 494 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:07.200 Sorry, dear listen. 495 00:21:07.259 --> 00:21:08.759 No, no, no, terrible, terrible. 496 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:12.359 We're sort of trying to move past, you know, into part four. 497 00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:14.279 There's a teshue cowards. 498 00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:16.380 He looks like one of the McGann brothers. 499 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:19.140 Oh, the one who cowers in the corridor and the lights are going 500 00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:21.180 off and yeah, it sort of explains. 501 00:21:21.180 --> 00:21:24.000 It's aesthetic collapse, pathetic collapse winning. 502 00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:25.619 Does he sort of lower himself gently to the ground? 503 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.299 Oh, I love that. 504 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:28.319 It's not good. 505 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:29.940 Do you remember the electrified walls? 506 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.000 I remember the electrified walls and being terrified of those as a 507 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:33.359 child. 508 00:21:33.420 --> 00:21:38.039 And of course, the doctor kills someone by kicking that guy into 509 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:41.579 the electrified ball because he gets possessed by Zoana and tries 510 00:21:41.579 --> 00:21:42.119 to attack him. 511 00:21:42.180 --> 00:21:44.519 One of the things I always remember about the story was those 512 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.039 walls with the little cubes all the way up. 513 00:21:47.099 --> 00:21:48.720 They look like chocolate... 514 00:21:48.779 --> 00:21:49.140 Yeah, yeah. 515 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.240 And but the fact that it was like a triangular set that they just 516 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:54.420 seemed to be going around the same set and then neither gets in 517 00:21:54.420 --> 00:21:55.440 there with the guns. 518 00:21:55.500 --> 00:21:57.480 I always remember the guns with the big... 519 00:21:57.539 --> 00:21:58.500 Those guns are superb. 520 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.319 That's a great prop. 521 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:04.079 But I always thought it was really ropey that we suddenly went up 522 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.079 into the doctor's face and then there was that bit of effect where 523 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:10.200 they walked through the wall and then there's a voiceover to 524 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.779 explain how they get from there to the rockets. 525 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:15.420 It is very odd when everything else has been so visual and had 526 00:22:15.420 --> 00:22:17.039 such strong visuals and design. 527 00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:20.400 It is odd that, yeah, that's all done with voice. 528 00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:22.140 They don't even put a graphic on. 529 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.599 Like they could, they could put a little light, like in the Time 530 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:26.819 Warrior, where there's a light on a tennis pole. 531 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:28.500 But just something. 532 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.140 It's just like, oh, we need to get from A to B. We're just going 533 00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:32.160 to say it, boom, go. 534 00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:34.140 But then the 17, they just get in there. 535 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.019 They're just boom, suddenly they're, there's no, there's no scene 536 00:22:37.019 --> 00:22:38.220 to see them discovering that. 537 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:42.720 And it's just, it's just a few little plot things like that that 538 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:47.339 and the Tesh that make this story sort of, after the 1st episodes 539 00:22:47.339 --> 00:22:49.619 which I really love, just go downhill for the last two. 540 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.500 But I just realised we could have had a whole scene with the 7 541 00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:54.960 team riding a tram for the 1st time. 542 00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:56.519 That would have been great. 543 00:22:56.579 --> 00:23:01.380 We have, however, glossed over the episode 3 cliffhanger, which we 544 00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:02.220 should come back to. 545 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.220 So we've got, I believe it's Tom, of course. 546 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.859 Greg D'Paulne and Pamela. 547 00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:12.000 Pamela Sailor, who are in the next story, but they came back. 548 00:23:12.059 --> 00:23:16.619 They came back to reloop this and young Anthony Freeze, who won a 549 00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:16.980 competition. 550 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:21.000 Well, funny you should say that, because as he recalls it, Pennant 551 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:25.799 Roberts wife was a teacher at his school, and they wanted a child 552 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.759 to voice that cliffhanger, because, of course, we're genetically 553 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.599 coded in such a way that children screaming is distressing to us. 554 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:38.220 Science has actually proven that, you know, socially coded and 555 00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:39.539 it's in our DNA as well. 556 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:43.559 So, yeah, he was brought in and he recorded it once in a recording 557 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:46.440 session as a pre-thing and they were going to play it in. 558 00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:49.259 And then for whatever reason, it didn't work out. 559 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:53.220 So he came to the set, and Pamela Salem and Greg DePolno were 560 00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:56.880 there as well, and I had to record it again, and he's interviewed 561 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.240 on the DVD, and he's just like, it was amazing, you know, I was on 562 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.140 set with Tom Baker, and he gave me a poster to Anthony, a great 563 00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:06.839 day's work from the doctor, 1876. 564 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:13.440 But yeah, it's, I mean, 1st of all, it's effective because it's 565 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.440 Tom sort of collapsing to his knees and, you know, you think of 566 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:19.200 his doctor as being this very upright figure who doesn't get 567 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:19.799 overpowered. 568 00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:23.460 But as we've discovered, he's getting overpowered quite often in 569 00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:24.240 these 1st few years. 570 00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.039 You know, Stire knocks him down. 571 00:24:26.099 --> 00:24:28.559 He's chained to the table by Stigren. 572 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:31.559 Morbius, knocks him out, and he easily looks. 573 00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:32.640 So it's not that uncommon. 574 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:33.720 Tech makes him kneel. 575 00:24:33.779 --> 00:24:35.519 So Tech makes him mad. 576 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:39.900 But also, we've had all these Doctor Who villains and monsters who 577 00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:45.180 even when they are sort of determined, the doctor tries to reason 578 00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:49.200 with them, and they do reason back with him, and it's a discussion 579 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.359 there is no reasoning with Zoanna. 580 00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:56.339 Because Zoanna, 1st of all, won't accept the doctor's identity. 581 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.019 Just no, no, no, no, no. 582 00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:59.519 And then start screaming, who am I? 583 00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:04.559 It's so effective because it's such a different enemy and it's 584 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:06.660 such a different villain in that, you know, it's the doctor. 585 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.640 And then it's a child screaming. 586 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:11.819 And when the child starts screaming, all the other voices 587 00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:15.119 disappear, all the other sound disappears and you just have the 588 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:16.859 child shouting, who am I? 589 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:17.160 am I? 590 00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:17.579 Who am I? 591 00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:19.019 And then the credits kick in. 592 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:20.400 It's so welled up. 593 00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:23.640 You've got the visuals too, where you've got those 3 screens, you 594 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.819 know, with the projected pictures, like of Tom's face. 595 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:30.539 And you actually see Tom saying, who am I when the child's saying 596 00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:30.839 it? 597 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:34.019 And it's really fabulously visual and hugely exciting. 598 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:38.400 And, you know, it'll be recycled later in Blake 7 for dawn of dawn 599 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:39.180 of the gods. 600 00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:40.859 Don't want to say. 601 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.339 Harvest of the gods, Dawn of Chiros, one of those. 602 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:48.779 In fact, this whole setting, Chris Boucher completely reuses over 603 00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:50.640 and over again in Blake 7. 604 00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:51.000 You know? 605 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.440 He's the new Terry Nation. 606 00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:53.339 He really is. 607 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.599 But it all starts here. 608 00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:56.640 This is the black 7 years of Doctor Who. 609 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:57.180 Yeah. 610 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.779 It's just an interesting at the end of this story that the 611 00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:03.420 doctor's been lying around for two days when he wakes up. 612 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:04.079 I think that's quite fun. 613 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.599 And the doctor leaves and the doctor leaves them bickering. 614 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.980 I actually really like the bit, too, that Leila's talking to him 615 00:26:10.980 --> 00:26:14.579 about the situation between the Tesh and the 17 and, you know, how 616 00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:17.099 they've not been getting on and they have an uneasy truce. 617 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.539 And then we get to see it. 618 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.119 But, like, the idea that the doctor's been out cold for 2 days 619 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.039 while those guys have been wrangling. 620 00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:26.400 You know, and we're going to leave it behind as there's kind of 621 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.660 going to be the worst on couple kind of on coupling space sort of 622 00:26:30.660 --> 00:26:33.420 premise for a sitcom sometime in the future. 623 00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:37.019 And Leila narrowly misses out on the opportunity to be in charge 624 00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:37.619 of it. 625 00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:41.160 There is one scene that I want to mention because Douglas Adams 626 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:44.400 rips it off shamelessly in life, the universe and everything. 627 00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:48.660 And that's the scene once Zoanon's been healed. 628 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.539 Which unfortunately the doctor just does by pressing some buttons 629 00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:53.880 on thing, which is all very dull. 630 00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:58.019 But, um, Zanon's been healed and the doctor and Leila go to 631 00:26:58.019 --> 00:26:58.319 visit. 632 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.500 So, Anon, a chat, and Zanon's really nice and rash. 633 00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:03.299 A little chaise launch, a gramophone. 634 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:04.140 But that's it. 635 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:05.640 The couch appears. 636 00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:06.720 Yes, right. 637 00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:08.220 And they sit on it. 638 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.640 And then for a 2nd it looks like Zoan's going to be psychoanalyse 639 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:14.099 because he says, you know, where do you think I 1st went wrong and 640 00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:17.039 the doctor realises he's sitting on this couch and we've got a 641 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:18.240 therapy session in progress. 642 00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:21.299 But Duncan Adams uses it in life, the universe, and everything 643 00:27:21.299 --> 00:27:26.880 because remember that, um, uh, there's a, uh, supercomputer 644 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.900 orbiting around the planet cricket, which influences the society 645 00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:33.720 of the cricketers so that they become, you know, sort of 646 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:38.160 xenophobic homicidal maniacs because of his own sort of 647 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:39.119 personality thing. 648 00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:42.180 And Hakta is the name of the computer, and he's eventually 649 00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:45.779 restored, and Trillion and Arthur meet him in this void, where 650 00:27:45.779 --> 00:27:49.079 they have a pleasant conversation, and a Chesterfield sofa appears 651 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.359 and, you know, they sit and chat with him. 652 00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:55.140 So Douglas has ripped off Doctor Who before, obviously, but this 653 00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:56.880 is a pretty obvious one here. 654 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:57.599 Yes. 655 00:27:57.660 --> 00:27:58.319 Yes. 656 00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:00.839 At the end of the episode, I believe there were two different 657 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:03.960 endings filmed, one where leader goes with, one where she 658 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:04.319 doesn't. 659 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.220 But it's really interesting that she actually asked the doctor to 660 00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:10.079 be taken with him. 661 00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:13.799 Like, and in the new series, if you ask for that privilege, you 662 00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:14.339 end up dying. 663 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.380 Yes. 664 00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:19.799 Or you get a hole in your head. 665 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.140 Of course, yes. 666 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.579 I mentioned earlier that Leila being cast out gives her an 667 00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:30.059 immediate synergy with the doctor, if you like. 668 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:36.599 The end of this is, um, it's the same kind of thing as the ending 669 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.579 of the deadly assassin, because of course, the ending is deadly 670 00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:40.920 assassin. doctor's been elected as president and slips away 671 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:41.339 quietly. 672 00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:45.359 The ending of this, the Tesh and the 17 both say to Leila, oh, you 673 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.700 should lead us. you know, we both trust you. and she says, no, no 674 00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:48.599 I'm voter unreasonable. 675 00:28:48.660 --> 00:28:49.500 Don't you agree, doctor? 676 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.799 And she runs after him to avoid becoming the leader of the 677 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:53.099 planet. 678 00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:54.480 You know, like doctors. 679 00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:55.799 It would be a pretty thankless task. 680 00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:56.460 Yeah, exactly. 681 00:28:56.579 --> 00:28:59.880 But like the doctor, she runs away from the enforced 682 00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.420 responsibility in order to make her own choice. 683 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.440 And yeah, even the doctor, you know, rejects her, because much 684 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.599 like Tom, the doctor doesn't want to travel with anyone right 685 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:09.839 now. 686 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.140 And then she goes inside and you get that great bit of, don't 687 00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:13.619 touch that. 688 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.019 You know, it's the helmet regulator again. 689 00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:20.220 Yeah, you know, it's stupid Scooby-Doo ending comedy, but it's 690 00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:23.640 sold by the fact that she sort of skips in naughtily and the dog's 691 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:24.240 like, come out with that. 692 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.500 Come out. 693 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:29.759 And again, that's that's kind of Bond and Honey Rider once again. 694 00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:31.920 But without the sex because. 695 00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.200 No hanky-panky in the title. 696 00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:34.680 Thank God. 697 00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:39.180 Look, I have to say that I expected to like this a lot less than I 698 00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:39.359 did. 699 00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:42.420 And I think that there are production flaws that we've all 700 00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:42.960 identified. 701 00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:47.279 But for me, this has some real. real proper science fiction in it 702 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:48.059 for a change. 703 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:48.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 704 00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:53.759 Some really thoughtful ideas and a, and, you know, a little bit of 705 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.180 sort of thematic content, which is reasonably interesting. 706 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.599 There are some great performances and it really does introduce a 707 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:02.160 pretty spectacular new companion. 708 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:03.599 So I think it's a net win. 709 00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:04.140 Yeah. 710 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.079 Look, I think it's a when I like the performances. 711 00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:10.920 I do think it goes downhill once we hit the Tesh, and I'm less 712 00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:12.660 engrossed with that part of the story. 713 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.359 I know you 2 have praised all the Zoran and stuff. 714 00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:17.460 Some of that leaves me a bit cold. 715 00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:22.200 I think it's a better script than the previous two, but it's my 716 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.519 2nd least favourite of the season. 717 00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:25.380 So, yeah. 718 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.279 Just to close out, I mean, something we really criticised Deadly 719 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:34.980 Assassin for last week was the level and tone of the violence in 720 00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:35.519 the show. 721 00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:39.059 Now this, I would say, is still very violent. 722 00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:42.180 You know, you've got gun battles, you've got stabbings, you've got 723 00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:43.799 Janus Thorns, you've got crossbows. 724 00:30:43.859 --> 00:30:45.180 Leila kills 5 people. 725 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.480 So she kills 3 people in episode one and she does kill 2 of the 726 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:49.200 Tesh later on. 727 00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:50.460 But the doctor's not doing that. 728 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:51.480 Killing. 729 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.519 And importantly. kill that one guy. 730 00:30:53.579 --> 00:30:54.059 Yeah. 731 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:55.559 And he throws a hoarder on the other guy. 732 00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:56.819 That's funny. 733 00:30:56.940 --> 00:31:02.700 Importantly, the doctor comments on the violence. in this story. in 734 00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:03.000 this story. 735 00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:07.980 And it's been a while since he's sort of commented on people's 736 00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:11.700 violent actions, as strongly as he says to Leila, who gave you 737 00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:13.140 license to slaughter people. 738 00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:18.000 Because when he when he kills that Tesh, the Tesh is trying to 739 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:18.299 kill him. 740 00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:19.980 Yes, that self-defence. 741 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:26.220 But Leila, when she Janis Thorne's nova from Blake 7 and leaves 742 00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:29.400 him in the wall, that's just to block their exit. 743 00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:30.960 And I think that's the doctor's objection. 744 00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:32.759 It's like that was unnecessary. 745 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:33.839 It's Nova from Blake 7. 746 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:36.180 He never survives anything he's in. 747 00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:38.220 Actually, he always ends up in a wall as well. 748 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:39.720 Even in Sapphire and Steel. 749 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:54.240 Well, dear listener, that's all the time we have for the face of 750 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.960 evil, but we'll be back next week as Doctor Who takes another 751 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.779 upswing with the robots of death. 752 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:03.480 I'm not gonna say anything else about that right now, just because 753 00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.299 I think we're all gonna have a lot to say about that. 754 00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:07.619 Until then... 755 00:32:07.619 --> 00:32:08.160 This is terrible. 756 00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:09.960 Until then. 757 00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:12.960 Oh, Nathan has been funny listeners. 758 00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:15.000 Very, very funny. 759 00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:15.779 That's all right. 760 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.059 We'll just replace him with James Selwood next week. 761 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.599 Until then, please come and find this online at 762 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.720 flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and 763 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.299 iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. 764 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:31.799 We currently have available on bondfinger.com commentaries for the 765 00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.440 1st 3 Connery Bond film. 766 00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:37.799 So, Dr. No, which we've discussed this episode from Russia with 767 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:39.059 Love and Goldfinger. 768 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.660 So those are on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook, and iTunes 769 00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:45.119 and Bondfinger cast on Twitter. 770 00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:47.819 Until then, thank you very much for listening and good night. 771 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:48.599 Good night. 772 00:32:48.660 --> 00:32:50.039 See you soon. 773 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:55.799 That was Fled your entirety with Todd BLB, Nathan Bottom, William 774 00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:56.460 Brendan Jones. 775 00:32:56.579 --> 00:33:01.380 This episode, so very sexless, was reported on Sunday, the 2nd of 776 00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:01.680 August. 777 00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:04.799 The next episode will be released on October the 11th, 2015. 778 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.380 Who knew the legends of the evil one were all just 779 00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:08.279 misunderstandings? 780 00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.500 Zoanna actually eats baby carrots. 781 00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:21.539 I don't have a great opening line for Face of Evil. 782 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.460 So does anyone have any suggestions? 783 00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:25.200 Who am I? 784 00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:28.079 No, no, so the only Doctor Who podcast. 785 00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:29.039 Yeah. 786 00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:32.640 That's all I've got. 787 00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:33.119 Right.