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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast whose horoscopes from Miss Nevercott are never wrong.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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And did you order the avocado mousse?

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I didn't order this.

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I didn't order the avocado esta mousse.

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I didn't even touch the avocado oestimus.

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So why are we all dead?

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Is that avocado oyster be slithering down the stairs or is it the horror of fang rock?

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No, it's the moose.

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So this one's mine.

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And we kind of embarking on a bit of a contested era for the show, because Hinchcliffe is headed off to do another thing.

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He's doing Target, or did I dream that?

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No, that is correct.

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They did the swapsies, midstream.

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He doing a lovely range of retail, just like Stella McCartney did Target.

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Remember?

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Target as well.

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I never saw the Hinchcliffe Rangers, a boy. what it was.

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Pandy pyjamas.

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Yeah, yeah, from beyond the dawn of time.

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Blue scalloped sleeve.

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So I mean, this is an era that is a bit contested.

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It's a bit controversial, and I have to put my cards on the table and say that I really love it to death, and I think that this is, this is one of the jam.

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Who are you?

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Oh, no, what have you done with me?

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It still does offer plenty of scope for me to complain that things are tiresome and terrible.

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I've got a feeling I know why you like this, and I wonder if it's the same reason that Brendan and I like it, so I'm looking forward to hearing what you think.

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Well, I think this is a really strong story.

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So Bob Holmes is still script editor.

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Yeah, it does feel like a Hinchcliffe, can I jump in there and say, to me, this feels like it was the carryover from last season?

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Doesn't it feel like a Hinchcliffe to you?

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No?

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No?

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No?

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And I'll tell you why.

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And Sander says something about this as well.

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We'll get into the show itself, but let's just dispel that because I think that people say this is like a Hinchcliffe, and it's a backdoor way of dissing Graham Williams by taking one of his best stories off him and giving it to Philip Hinchcliffe.

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That's also the position that occurs in that they were wrong.

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Oh, yeah, no, of course.

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But Sandopher points out that the Hingecliffe villains are overwhelmingly evils from the dawn of time or Mad Queens in a garden.

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Or, you know, criminals who have not been sufficiently executed enough.

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But here, there is something very low rent and small stakes about it, which is something that we've seen from homes before.

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I think carnival of monsters, you know, the stakes are very low.

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And here, the stakes are very low.

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They're kind of artificially inflated at the end of episode four, and we'll get to that.

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But you know, it's just a small group of people being picked off in a lighthouse, and they're not being picked off by the Beast of Fang Rock.

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They're not being picked off by an evil from the dawn of time.

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They're just being picked off by some, you know, luminous oyster with delusions of grandeur.

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And so, just the low stakes of it all is not very hinchcliffe.

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But what is, I guess, Hinchcliffe, is there's a sort of atmosphere to it, and there's a...

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There's a lot of people we like who don't end up lasting to the through to the...

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Oh, yeah, I guess that's true.

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Who do we like?

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We like Vince.

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Well, well, whoever you pick, there's only 2 elections.

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We like means Harker.

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Captain Harker is really a sure, strong character.

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And even Alan Rowe.

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Yeah, skin sale.

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Skin sale.

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That's very nice. is redeeming.

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He's almost a bit Jago and Lightfoot.

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There's that charm of the.

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I mean, he's still a rogue and he's a bit of a villain as well, but he's very soft.

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Well, we're not meant to think so though.

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And one thing, I think, why this really works in that way and why the deaths were so shocking at the time, watching this as boys, or little guilds, if you, you know, if we'd known you when you were a little girl.

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Do you think that's true, and Missy said that last week, or spoiler a lot?

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one of the things that might...

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It might not be true.

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Yes, that's right.

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However.

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She's not termed good.

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I'd like to see Billy in pigtails.

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Shilly temple dressing. he could have carried it off.

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But it looked like all the shows we were watching at the time, it looked like Duchess of Duke Street, which had Lala Ward as the legitimate daughter of Gemma Jones, I think, that the Duchess herself, the cook who had started up a hotel, based not true story.

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I'm Segwaying.

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It looked like all those period dramas, and it was shot the same way.

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So it is a real shock when you see people who, especially in the history of Doctor Who.

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And even with Hinchcliffe that, you know, the nice ones always survive.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We had expected, but then we just seen seeds of doom, so we should have known better, shouldn't we?

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Can I use that as an opportunity to talk a bit about the genesis of this story?

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Yeah.

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Philip Hingcliffe tried as much as possible to be a bit like Barry Letz in leaving a few things in place for his successor.

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And straight away, they had this script by Terence Dix called the Vampire Mutations.

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Which, spoiler alert, years later would become state of decay.

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The problem was the BBC were also working this huge co-production with America on Dracula.

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They'd lose your dam, that one.

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And they thought that any other production doing a vampire thing would be seen as a sendup.

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So they veto Doctor Who from using vampires.

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So Graham Williams, as he put it, arrived on the job minus one script.

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He also arrived on the job with a big budget deficit, didn't he?

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I mean, didn't Philippine Schliff do a giant overspend on talons. on talons.

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And then suddenly, you know, there's the economy tanks and inflation skyrockets and there's no money, yeah.

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There'll be no sign of that during the season.

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No, no, they managed to completely conceal that fortunately.

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Now, the problem with Dracula isn't just limited to the scripting and pre-production of this story.

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So they got Terrence Dix back in and said, look, we're going to pay you for the vampire script, but we need another script from you and we know you're reliable.

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Robert Holmes is still script editor.

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He doesn't have time to write it himself.

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So give us a new script.

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And Terence said, well, what do you want me to write about?

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And Bob said, write about lighthouses.

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And Terence said, I don't know anything about lighthouses.

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And Bob said, well, go out and buy the boys' book of lighthouses, which is kind of the reverse conversation of what happened with the Time Warrior.

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Yeah, yeah, it's his revenge, isn't it?

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having to write a historical.

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But it's E.G. Jerome's lighthouses, lightships and boys.

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Don't make this.

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But then, Doctor Who's studio days for recording this at Television Centre were taken up by Dracula.

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So it was recorded at BBC Birmingham.

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Pebble Mill. at Pebble Mill, who didn't usually get to do drama.

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So they pulled out all the stops and that's why the sets are so fantastic.

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Because you give a designer a set.

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They've already got their job cut out for them.

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You give them a circular set where you also have to position 3 cameras.

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But because they never did drama and they really wanted to impress, they really pulled out all the stops for it and Graham Williams, you'd say, I appreciated it so much because we had so much trouble with this and suddenly here were all these people trying to make it work as much as we were.

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And so there are aspects of the production that look great.

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The sets are incredible.

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They do exteriors.

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Are they an healing or something on film?

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And they shoot them on film so that they look like they're being shot outside.

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There's some model shots that are really good.

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Some of the lighthouse exterior shots are great.

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At the end of episode four, when a big beam of light strikes the Rutan mothership.

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That looks really, really good.

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Well, the science behind it is water, too.

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Well, just nonsense, isn't it?

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But there are, I mean, there are already signs that things aren't going to go right with the look of the show and there are some pretty ropey special effects that are worse than what we've seen for a little while.

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I think the particular offender is the puppet root and crawling up the side of the lighthouse.

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Oh, wow.

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Which is pretty terrible.

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And I'm not a big fan of the CSO background in the lighthouse gallery, either.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't look all that great.

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But the actors make it work like all of these period pieces.

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I have to say, it really does look like all the period dramas we were watching, the BBC was full of them.

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So was ITV at the time.

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The characters are great.

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I think Harker, Vince is superb.

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People talking about this being a great strong story for Lilo, but really sure she gets to do is react to things.

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And sometimes that, you know, the temperature of that may be, I don't mind.

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I don't think Louise Jameson ever puts a foot wrong, so you're never going to hear any criticism of her from me.

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But it's the supporting cast.

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When Tom and Louise get really good people with them.

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The whole thing shines.

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Yeah, they are all very good.

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So it's just the three.

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It's Vince, Ben, and Reuben.

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And how good is that?

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So Reuben's been in it before.

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He was Bruce in Anime of the World.

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Yeah, and later appears as the 6th doctor.

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He does, yeah.

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Not many people know that.

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And he's lovely.

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He's really nice to Vince.

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You know, he's...

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I mean, he's a bit of a stock character.

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You know, he's the superstitious light housekeeper, sort of thing who doesn't hold with electricity and things, and he's doing a sort of mamoset accent and stuff.

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But he's really good.

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Vince is really good.

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Ben is in it for like half an episode, and he's really sort of strongly characterised.

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And then you get a whole group of people, ah, that terrible cliffhanger to episode one where everyone else turns up, and it's that shockingly bad model shot.

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Which wouldn't be so bad.

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If they didn't hold on it for 15 seconds.

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Terrible.

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But it is quite saved in the reprise in episode 2, where they cut back up to the lighthouse and someone says, the boat's crashed and Louise Jameson's looking down, she says, they shall all die then.

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And it's just like, whoa, okay, Leila's really not happy.

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And then we get the rest of our supporting cast, which is Harker and Skin Sale and Parmadale and Adelaide. do you know why they're in there?

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Because Terence Dix realised you can't have much of a murder mystery was only three potential victims.

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So he introduced more people to be killed off.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, and they're all just terrific, like without exception, I think.

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But the really striking thing is the way that Tom acts, I think, in this story, and it is a little bit different from what we've seen before.

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Actually, Todd has a few words he'd like to say about that is he comes down out of the fog.

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I'm not sure that's the lighthouse sounding though.

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Well, guys, it's foggy in the time vortex tonight, but, you know, here I am.

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I can't believe that this is a replacement script.

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How amazing is this story?

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And what about Tom Baker?

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His performance in this is so intense and still and centred.

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Is this his last really great performance as the doctor?

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See, I don't know whether I would describe it as intense.

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He's in a bad mood, and I don't know whether it's Tom in a bad mood.

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Tom and Louise were cats in a bag. instead of this one.

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And Patty Russell was the one in the middle, and she was trying to find lots of ways to distract Tom.

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He was mad at his options.

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Tony Russell, too.

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Well, he was calling her sir, which, Brendan, you've commented on before that, you know, it might be seen as a brand of respect, but it really wasn't.

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And the rest of the crew and the rest of the and the rest of the troop.

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The actors thought this is a bit full on.

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She left the BBC almost immediately afterwards.

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Yeah, well, he's refused.

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And he was a big fat, naughty Tom for doing it.

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Well, he refuses to make eye contact with anyone. at all.

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I hated the fact that Louise was there, wanted, wanted, he's talking cabbage.

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But it works.

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Like, it is a great performance.

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So he comes in and he's super arrogant and dismissive.

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He continually lies to the other characters about what's going on.

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Not to protect them, but because he's completely contemptuous of them.

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He mocks Reuben for being superstitious even though we know that Reuben's actually quite a nice person.

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And it turns out correct, because it's electricity, that is the threat.

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It had the damn oil.

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The routine, wouldn't it, then?

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And he comes down into the crew room, which is full of, you know, Palmadale and skin sale in Adelaide, and says, the lighthouse is under attack, and by tomorrow, we might all be dead, and he smiles and laughs, you know, he's really, really contemptuous and horrible.

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I loved it, all. all of them.

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It's great, you know, like, it's a really strong performance.

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And it also means that when we get that episode three cliffhanger.

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Yeah, it's so, so powerful because in isolation.

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That cliffhanger seems really strange.

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We don't often get a cliffhanger, which is the doctor realising something.

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But this realisation is so good because he's been so high and mighty all the way through and because he's been so contemptuous, as you say, it's actually his fault that people are still dying.

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Yeah.

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It is terrific.

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And I think that you can do worse than end an episode of Doctor Who by having Tom Baker deliver a really dramatic line.

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After completely blowing the pronunciation of chameleon.

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Oh does he?

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He says, the chameleon factor.

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He must have thought it was French.

223
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Karma Chameleon.

224
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Ah, what a silly shunt.

225
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Oh, dear.

226
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Sorry.

227
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Behind the scenes of course.

228
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This was the story where Louise finally said to Tom.

229
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It's not my fault that you don't like me being here.

230
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I'm here to do a job.

231
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I'm here to fulfil a function in the show and I think you're being very unfair to me as a new actress and she did use the word unprofessional.

232
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And after that, you know, they didn't get along like a house on fire, but you see in the subsequent stories that he performs with her a lot better.

233
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He is a petulant monster, isn't he?

234
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Which is probably where he works on screen.

235
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I think that he's still cross with her in Invisible Enemy.

236
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You know, like, again, everyone's cross with everyone.

237
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I think that's right. preempting a lovely story.

238
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There are some lovely scenes between them though, which we'll get to next week.

239
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Yeah.

240
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You know, you know the poem at the end?

241
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When the doctor, when Tom foddles off, you know, and quotes the ballad of Flanen Island, do you know that one?

242
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Yes.

243
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But do you?

244
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Okay, you tell us which one.

245
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Oh, I shall love it.

246
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And it says, though, it's really great, but it's about, it preempts Maros.

247
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It's about 3 lighthouse keepers turning into birds.

248
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Flannen Isle.

249
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It goes, the 3 men dwell on Flannen Isle to keep the lamp alight.

250
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As we steered under the lee.

251
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We caught no glimmer through the night.

252
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A passing ship at dawn had brought the news, and quickly we set sail to find out what strange thing might aim the keepers of the deep sea light.

253
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I didn't say it was good.

254
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But when today broke blue and bright with glancing sun and glancing spray, as though the sweller boat made way as gallant as a goal in flight.

255
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Anyway, it goes on and on.

256
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You can look it up.

257
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Yeah, they turn into birds, or they turn into Nicola Bryant.

258
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Covered in all emu or rod hole.

259
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Or what's that green thing that Lucas dresses up as?

260
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No, they don't need the green fluffy...

261
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Turn into pate biscuit, Mongo.

262
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They turn into Yeah, they turn into birds.

263
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I suppose that's the chameleon factor at work again, isn't it?

264
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So Adelaide.

265
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Yeah, we kind of like Adelaide.

266
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Yeah. at least she's a girl.

267
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Exactly.

268
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So we do have only one woman in the guest cast, and we're introduced to Adelaide because she's doing like tiny little screams from on the model boat, you know, at the end of episode one.

269
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No, stop.

270
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No, turn around.

271
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And Harker, when he attacks Lord Palmadale, refers to her.

272
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No, in fact, it must be, it must be at some other time.

273
00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.220
He refers to her as the owner's fancy woman.

274
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So, you know, presumably, she's having an affair with Lord Parmadale.

275
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Oh, I think it's.

276
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She wouldn't be able to behave like that if she would just...

277
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Yeah, I mean, he's taken her to Doeville or something like that, you know.

278
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Right up the Dauville.

279
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And she is absolutely superb.

280
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And it is, you know, Terrence has this sort of shtick that he does where he's sort of sexist and obnoxious.

281
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He claims credit for getting rid of Liz Shaw because she's too competent and intelligent and replacing her with Joe Grant, who is also, I think, terribly competent and intelligent.

282
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But in a different way.

283
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In a different way.

284
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She wasn't cast to be, though.

285
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Well, yeah, no, maybe that's true.

286
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So he puts in a very kind of stereotypical, silly, cowardly, I want to avoid the word hysterical woman, who is really, really entertaining to watch, and all of her sort of falling apart whenever anything terrible happens.

287
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There's that wonderful moment where Vince calls down from the lamp gallery, and the doctor answers it, and he goes, That's very interesting, you know?

288
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Lord Palmerdale's fallen from the lamp gallery, and she does the sort of giant screaming and all of that sort of thing.

289
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And Leila slapped Leila.

290
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She's been waiting to do.

291
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Leila just slaps her, but then walks over to the doctor and says, what's happened?

292
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In fact, the contrast between Leila and Adelaide is just terrific and Leila's open contempt for Adelaide is also great.

293
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But it's wonderful how that evolves.

294
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Because they find the commonality in the idea of the astrologer.

295
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Yes.

296
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Because, you know, Adelaide says, Miss Nethercott's is never wrong.

297
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I believe in science.

298
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Yeah, and...

299
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Yeah, Leila starts talking about, I used to be like you, but now I believe in science.

300
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And the scene ends on that wonderful close-up of Adelaide, just sort of kind of thinking about it.

301
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And when we next see her again.

302
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She's perfectly calm.

303
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There's a strange sound, but she doesn't scream.

304
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What's that?

305
00:18:24.539 --> 00:18:26.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

306
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So, yeah, but I think that a lot of that tension is also set up by naughty skin sale right from the beginning, saying, who's this?

307
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Who's this lovely bit of tawdry chocolate velvet?

308
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Who is this gorgeous little ginger over here?

309
00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:40.859
That is really funny.

310
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Leila's in men's clothes, but skins how really fancies her.

311
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Well, I did go to a public school.

312
00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:50.460
No, no, it's Victor Victoria.

313
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No, it's not that.

314
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It's Adelaide says, were you a long time in India?

315
00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:00.839
Which is a fantastically racist and colonialist thing.

316
00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:03.779
You know, Bob Holmes is script editing after all.

317
00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.880
Not long enough to not be able to appreciate a fine looking woman.

318
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Yeah, well, that's I think that's his more or less his reply.

319
00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:14.640
Or do you think that he actually wasn't wearing his glasses and he thought it was Vince?

320
00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:18.000
Vince is a bit skinny really.

321
00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:20.519
He looks like a young Michael Palin, I think.

322
00:19:20.579 --> 00:19:21.480
Yeah, he does a bit.

323
00:19:21.539 --> 00:19:26.160
And of course, Ben was Captain Knight in the web of fear.

324
00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:27.599
Oh, really?

325
00:19:27.660 --> 00:19:28.200
Oh, yes.

326
00:19:28.259 --> 00:19:31.380
He's sort of hidden under a big wig and a moustache.

327
00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.359
Yeah, and dies 5 minutes in.

328
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You don't get to see much of it.

329
00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:36.539
So what do we think of the Rutan?

330
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I love it.

331
00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:39.180
Yeah, me too.

332
00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:40.079
I actually do.

333
00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.119
I've never seen anything like it.

334
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On a small TV, a small colour TV.

335
00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:45.359
It really popped.

336
00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.400
It was liquorious and aqueous.

337
00:19:47.460 --> 00:19:48.119
It was all those things.

338
00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:57.240
It was those things that used to be able to buy on a Friday afternoon coming home from school when you put sherbet into lime cordial frozen stuff on a really hot summer Saturday. a lime spider.

339
00:19:57.299 --> 00:19:59.279
A lime spider, yeah, yeah.

340
00:19:59.339 --> 00:20:05.099
And I have to say, I think it's the best non-humanoid, non-robotic Doctor Who alien we've had.

341
00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:06.660
What about the Maya Beast?

342
00:20:06.779 --> 00:20:08.940
Okay, so the Ruten's only got one ball.

343
00:20:09.539 --> 00:20:11.339
What about the sound?

344
00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.960
Because I think it's the noise that makes, and that it's Ruben's voice that I really like.

345
00:20:16.019 --> 00:20:20.759
There's a kind of background sound which you get right away from episode one, yeah, that noise.

346
00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:25.680
If you've ever had a lava land that you've dropped. and I have.

347
00:20:25.740 --> 00:20:26.700
That's exactly what.

348
00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:30.299
And if you remember the prisoner, of course, we know that they live in lava lamps.

349
00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:31.200
Yes, that's right.

350
00:20:31.259 --> 00:20:33.119
I think it is kind of effective.

351
00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:36.599
It's sort of cute actually in the way that it tries to go up the stairs.

352
00:20:36.660 --> 00:20:41.039
It's something that Graham Williams will do a lot in his tenure. which is...

353
00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.220
Whereas the Hinchcliffe monsters.

354
00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.559
As soon as you looked at them, you knew they were meant to be monstrous.

355
00:20:46.619 --> 00:20:48.779
That's not always the case with Graham Williams.

356
00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:53.940
He's much better at the idea of appearances belying intent.

357
00:20:54.000 --> 00:21:01.440
And so when you 1st see the rooting, you might think, oh, that's a bit weird, but you might not be terrified by it, but then you get the sound design, then you get the voice.

358
00:21:01.500 --> 00:21:08.640
Then you get the really quite effective reversed footage of tendrils being dragged off people but reverse to show them going on to people.

359
00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:15.359
Like Palmerdale's death. despite the root and sort of CSOing its way up the lighthouse.

360
00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:19.740
His actual electrocution and death and death scream are all very effective.

361
00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:34.380
In fact, one of the things that I really love about that there is that the foghorn goes off at exactly the same time and conceals the screen, which I just think is terrific and just so atmospheric.

362
00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:38.279
Don't you think the foghorn really makes it much scarier?

363
00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:40.619
The score and the foley in this really gross.

364
00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:41.460
Yeah, yeah.

365
00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:42.599
And the atmospherics.

366
00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:44.460
Patty Russell really doesn't get it wrong, does she?

367
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:51.180
I don't remember a story that I've seen her do where I thought she didn't quite come up to scratch every time.

368
00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:54.180
I think she lifts pyramids.

369
00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:55.680
I love the feel.

370
00:21:55.740 --> 00:21:56.759
She's good for atmospherics.

371
00:21:56.819 --> 00:21:58.440
Maybe that's why they gave her this one as well.

372
00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:01.319
Because pyramids has a lovely feel to it.

373
00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:03.599
I mean, this is very traditional.

374
00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:06.599
It really is just, you know, like a base under siege.

375
00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:07.440
Do you know what I mean?

376
00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:11.460
It's like a small group of people being picked off one by one by a monster.

377
00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:21.900
There's nothing really very inventive or new about it, but it's so confident and so well characterised and so well directed and the atmosphere is great.

378
00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:24.480
The sets are great. everyone's on form.

379
00:22:24.539 --> 00:22:27.900
Even though Tom is being horrible to everyone.

380
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.420
The performance just really, really works.

381
00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:32.099
I think it ramps it up.

382
00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:35.700
Tom comes across as looking agitated and out of his depth.

383
00:22:35.819 --> 00:22:38.819
The doctors, looks like Tim felt to me as if he's covering up.

384
00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:41.099
'Cause he's not really sure what to do.

385
00:22:41.160 --> 00:23:01.799
I actually think, you know, like, in the new series, he would have gone somewhere a bit further with that episode three thing where, which you mentioned, Brendan, where Tom admits that he's made a mistake, you know, and that his arrogance would have got some kind of comeuppance, but, you know, it's Tom, he's kind of untouchable, and it's the mid to late 70s, and we don't really do that stuff yet.

386
00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:04.980
But, you know, apart from that, there's really no criticism.

387
00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:18.059
And the very end, in episode four, you know, they try and up the stakes by doing what they did in the Santar and experiment and having a giant off scene battle fleet that's going to come and threaten them all.

388
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:24.900
And that kind of does change the stakes and make it a little bit bigger.

389
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:32.460
And we do spend kind of nearly half the last episode kind of dealing with that, don't we?

390
00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:40.319
So, uh, we kill off the root and by emptying our pockets into a mortar and firing everything we own at it.

391
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:51.480
And there's one delightful moment where, um, Leila is emptying Tom's pockets into the mortar and she picks up the bag of jelly babies and just shoves it into the mortar as well.

392
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:55.319
So they're firing jelly babies at the root and in order to kill it.

393
00:23:55.619 --> 00:24:01.740
And then the effects for the mothership are really, terribly good, I think.

394
00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:04.980
It's a big fiery flameball, isn't it?

395
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.579
So rather than making it look like a flying saucer or something really obvious.

396
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:17.039
They keep it sort of, like, a sort of ill defined light, and it is just, sort of, flames, a big ball of flames outside the window.

397
00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:18.240
I think that's really good.

398
00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:23.940
It's Leila's idea to use the lighthouse to defeat, to defeat it.

399
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.319
And it works.

400
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:27.119
How?

401
00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:28.980
Oh, who cares?

402
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.839
It's Doctor Who, for God's sake.

403
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:36.660
Light amplification, simulated emission, simulated emission of radiation.

404
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.539
Or maybe it's actually Sean Connery, diamonds are forever science.

405
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:40.319
Maybe Jill St.

406
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:41.700
John would have done exactly the same thing.

407
00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:43.859
Had she been in the same predicament?

408
00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:51.359
You remember when the doctor's hiding in the hiding in the crew quarters and Rubens outside?

409
00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:54.720
And I think Reuben does, he's terrific possessed, isn't he?

410
00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:55.980
Like with that smile.

411
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:59.759
That wicked green, which actually does look very Colin Baker.

412
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:01.920
It does actually.

413
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:02.640
I think you're right.

414
00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:04.920
Headvances on Vince and kills him.

415
00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:07.440
He's terribly effective and scary.

416
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:14.519
But the doctor's hiding in the crew quarters from him, and he does that terrible scene where he's dangling out the window again, which looks pretty poor.

417
00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:18.180
But he seems to be going through Ben's collection of naughty postcards.

418
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:19.019
Yes.

419
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:19.980
Yes, that's right, yes.

420
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:24.660
Which, I gather, were vintage postcards from the era.

421
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:30.420
But yes, to be broadcast in 1977, still had to have some clothes drawn on.

422
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:42.240
They were literally, they were a little too revealing for Saturday tea time. 90 years hence. that's beautiful Hopefully avoiding the laser beam, Todd's just flying around again.

423
00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:43.799
He's got one more question for us.

424
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:47.700
And finally, the horror of Fang Rock.

425
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:51.420
Could anybody have actually survived this story?

426
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.220
Oh, look, there's something happening to my control.

427
00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:56.039
Contact has been made.

428
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:56.940
What?

429
00:25:56.940 --> 00:25:57.180
What?

430
00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:57.539
What?

431
00:25:57.599 --> 00:25:59.460
Oh, I'm heading one of my sick headaches.

432
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:02.400
I've got to go and put a giant prawn on the Barbie for some reason.

433
00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:09.000
I don't think he wants to leave, you know, many people alive, do you know what I mean?

434
00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:10.799
Like, there's no good characters here.

435
00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:11.640
You really...

436
00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:13.140
The doctor doesn't want to save any people alive.

437
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:17.339
I don't think Terry, I don't think Terry wants to leave anyone alive, do you know what I mean?

438
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.039
And he could only leave a couple of people alive at the most.

439
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:24.059
Think about robots of death, where you leave two Sunuvanov alive.

440
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:24.720
Yeah.

441
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.160
But they've got some way of getting back.

442
00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:31.920
So there's just the practical problem with leaving someone alive in that, say, skin sale survives.

443
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:33.779
What does he do?

444
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:34.980
Does he swim to shore?

445
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:35.940
Do you know what I mean?

446
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.500
But the other thing is skin sale is really venal and cowardly.

447
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.000
Well, he's human.

448
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:43.259
But he's horrible.

449
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.619
He needles Parmadale, who is also an awful person.

450
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.680
He's clearly done some cider trading.

451
00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:53.160
He uses that as an excuse to cut off all communications.

452
00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:56.700
Yeah, yeah, you know, he's to blame for the situation.

453
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.759
And so I think he needs to die.

454
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:03.660
And so I think that is really effective.

455
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.900
The fact that no one is still alive at the end of it.

456
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:21.000
And I remember, isn't the last line of the novelisation, the novelisation, which is for almost certainly by Terrence, has Tom doing the poem, and the last line was something like, There was nobody left alive to hear them or something like that.

457
00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:22.259
I think that's where it's coming from.

458
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.319
If you like, it's kind of colonialism of the past.

459
00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:31.920
Because it's in the past, you can treat people as if they're not actually three dimensional, because they're all dead anyway.

460
00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:33.660
You've actually got more license.

461
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:45.359
If this was a contemporary story, I believe the producers anyway, or at least the audience may well have also felt it was far more impactful to kill people off, it's not more painful, but because it's the past...

462
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:46.920
They would have been dead by 1977.

463
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:55.859
They would have been dead anyway, and then there's this kind of unreality, and also comes with theatre from the past, and, you know, we look at the plays of the time, where we know Shaw, and we know Wild.

464
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:04.619
And there is a sort of archness and theatricality to that, that's somewhat removed from humanity or from their own humanism.

465
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.279
I think this really works in that it gives the character such well-rounded.

466
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:11.880
It does feel like there's a lot of Bob Holmes in this, even though it's...

467
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:12.299
I think so too.

468
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:12.960
You think so, yeah.

469
00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:24.779
The one thing that surprises me, and it wouldn't happen now, is that there doesn't seem to be much of a thematic link between the wrangling between the characters and the main plot of the root and killing them all.

470
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:25.619
Do you know what I mean?

471
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:26.220
thematically.

472
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:33.000
Yeah, yeah, it's not like the root and wants earth for its resources, which would make sense then with the diamonds and what have you.

473
00:28:33.059 --> 00:28:38.519
Kind of like that because it's crueller because it, you know, killing doesn't make any sense.

474
00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:43.980
It is just done for its own sake and that just makes it all the more cold and wasteful.

475
00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:50.039
Yeah, they're people who are going about their lives, have conflicts between themselves, and then they all just get mowed down sort of thing.

476
00:28:50.099 --> 00:28:56.460
It's also a great release for the writer and possibly for the audience because you don't often get to kill off an entire cast.

477
00:28:56.579 --> 00:29:07.259
All the other shows we were watching when the boat comes in, which I think was also filmed at Pebble Milt, which was a long, long going, tedious drama about the fisher boat.

478
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:07.740
It was awful.

479
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:09.119
I think James Bond was the hit.

480
00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:14.099
Anyway, I just remember it being, it went on for even longer than our series of podcasts.

481
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.960
And you just wanted them all to die.

482
00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:20.940
So, yeah, it was a great sense of release when they all when they all went and it was 10.

483
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:24.599
That unreleased final episode of Are You Being Served?

484
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.559
where they're all killed in a sort of hideous mannequin accident.

485
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:31.319
Yeah, with Bob Holmes was born in, that's right.

486
00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:34.200
It was all autons and... very cathartic.

487
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:50.220
Dear listeners, that's all the time we have for horror of Fang Rock.

488
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:57.960
We are taking off, but we still won't make the great exhibition, I'm afraid, as we are head into the far future next week for the invisible enemy.

489
00:29:58.019 --> 00:29:59.460
Do find us online.

490
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:06.240
Flight through entirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter.

491
00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:13.740
We also now have 3 bond finger commentaries available for Dr. No from Russia with Love and Goldfinger.

492
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:16.619
Please check those out at bondfinger.com.

493
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:20.940
Also Bondfingercast on Twitter and Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes.

494
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.920
Until we see you next, may your lime spiders never try to electrocute you.

495
00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:27.960
I'm Brendan, thank you very much and good night.

496
00:30:28.019 --> 00:30:28.500
Good night.

497
00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:29.279
Good, everyone.

498
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:36.119
That works, Flight Through Entirety, with Nathan Boffamly, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone.

499
00:30:36.180 --> 00:30:42.359
This episode, the practical problem with leaving someone alive, was recorded on September the 27th, 2015.

500
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.500
The next episode will be released on the 1st of November, top dating tip.

501
00:30:46.559 --> 00:31:00.900
If you're having to bash down his door with an axe screaming come out old one, maybe he's just not that into you. 27th of September, The Horror of Fang Rock.

502
00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:02.640
Really?

503
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:03.539
You doing that, are you?

504
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.059
Well, you're doing the accent.

505
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.099
Every time every time I do the credits.

506
00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:11.940
I have to go back and look at the calendar and see when we recorded it.

507
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:12.480
Okay.

508
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:14.400
So I'm now doing it.

509
00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:16.440
And if actually, if I...