WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 15:58:41 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.899 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety 2 00:00:33.899 --> 00:00:37.259 the only Doctor Who podcast whose horoscopes from Miss Nevercott 3 00:00:37.259 --> 00:00:38.460 are never wrong. 4 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:39.119 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:39.179 --> 00:00:40.020 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:42.840 And did you order the avocado mousse? 7 00:00:42.899 --> 00:00:43.859 I didn't order this. 8 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.500 I didn't order the avocado esta mousse. 9 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:48.780 I didn't even touch the avocado oestimus. 10 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:49.439 So why are we all dead? 11 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:55.500 Is that avocado oyster be slithering down the stairs or is it the 12 00:00:55.500 --> 00:00:56.939 horror of fang rock? 13 00:01:01.859 --> 00:01:03.899 No, it's the moose. 14 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:06.719 So this one's mine. 15 00:01:06.780 --> 00:01:12.000 And we kind of embarking on a bit of a contested era for the show 16 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.180 because Hinchcliffe is headed off to do another thing. 17 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:17.159 He's doing Target, or did I dream that? 18 00:01:17.219 --> 00:01:18.299 No, that is correct. 19 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:19.980 They did the swapsies, midstream. 20 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.680 He doing a lovely range of retail, just like Stella McCartney did 21 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:23.099 Target. 22 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:23.640 Remember? 23 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:24.959 Target as well. 24 00:01:25.019 --> 00:01:27.659 I never saw the Hinchcliffe Rangers, a boy. what it was. 25 00:01:28.379 --> 00:01:30.359 Pandy pyjamas. 26 00:01:30.420 --> 00:01:32.459 Yeah, yeah, from beyond the dawn of time. 27 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:34.260 Blue scalloped sleeve. 28 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:38.040 So I mean, this is an era that is a bit contested. 29 00:01:38.099 --> 00:01:41.879 It's a bit controversial, and I have to put my cards on the table 30 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.000 and say that I really love it to death, and I think that this is 31 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:46.019 this is one of the jam. 32 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:46.620 Who are you? 33 00:01:48.060 --> 00:01:51.540 Oh, no, what have you done with me? 34 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:54.659 It still does offer plenty of scope for me to complain that things 35 00:01:54.659 --> 00:01:55.920 are tiresome and terrible. 36 00:01:56.819 --> 00:02:00.599 I've got a feeling I know why you like this, and I wonder if it's 37 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:02.819 the same reason that Brendan and I like it, so I'm looking forward 38 00:02:02.819 --> 00:02:03.659 to hearing what you think. 39 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:05.939 Well, I think this is a really strong story. 40 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.699 So Bob Holmes is still script editor. 41 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.639 Yeah, it does feel like a Hinchcliffe, can I jump in there and say 42 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:14.639 to me, this feels like it was the carryover from last season? 43 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:16.620 Doesn't it feel like a Hinchcliffe to you? 44 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:16.919 No? 45 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:17.099 No? 46 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:17.639 No? 47 00:02:17.699 --> 00:02:19.080 And I'll tell you why. 48 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:21.120 And Sander says something about this as well. 49 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:25.259 We'll get into the show itself, but let's just dispel that because 50 00:02:25.259 --> 00:02:29.219 I think that people say this is like a Hinchcliffe, and it's a 51 00:02:29.219 --> 00:02:34.020 backdoor way of dissing Graham Williams by taking one of his best 52 00:02:34.020 --> 00:02:36.960 stories off him and giving it to Philip Hinchcliffe. 53 00:02:37.020 --> 00:02:39.599 That's also the position that occurs in that they were wrong. 54 00:02:39.659 --> 00:02:40.800 Oh, yeah, no, of course. 55 00:02:40.860 --> 00:02:44.159 But Sandopher points out that the Hingecliffe villains are 56 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:49.680 overwhelmingly evils from the dawn of time or Mad Queens in a 57 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:49.919 garden. 58 00:02:50.219 --> 00:02:55.139 Or, you know, criminals who have not been sufficiently executed 59 00:02:55.139 --> 00:02:55.439 enough. 60 00:02:55.560 --> 00:03:00.539 But here, there is something very low rent and small stakes about 61 00:03:00.539 --> 00:03:02.460 it, which is something that we've seen from homes before. 62 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:06.360 I think carnival of monsters, you know, the stakes are very low. 63 00:03:06.419 --> 00:03:08.340 And here, the stakes are very low. 64 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.159 They're kind of artificially inflated at the end of episode four 65 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:12.060 and we'll get to that. 66 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:14.219 But you know, it's just a small group of people being picked off 67 00:03:14.219 --> 00:03:16.919 in a lighthouse, and they're not being picked off by the Beast of 68 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:17.520 Fang Rock. 69 00:03:17.580 --> 00:03:20.099 They're not being picked off by an evil from the dawn of time. 70 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.819 They're just being picked off by some, you know, luminous oyster 71 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:25.319 with delusions of grandeur. 72 00:03:25.379 --> 00:03:30.659 And so, just the low stakes of it all is not very hinchcliffe. 73 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.379 But what is, I guess, Hinchcliffe, is there's a sort of atmosphere 74 00:03:34.379 --> 00:03:36.180 to it, and there's a... 75 00:03:36.300 --> 00:03:39.479 There's a lot of people we like who don't end up lasting to the 76 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:41.699 through to the... 77 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:42.599 Oh, yeah, I guess that's true. 78 00:03:42.659 --> 00:03:43.379 Who do we like? 79 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:44.639 We like Vince. 80 00:03:44.699 --> 00:03:49.139 Well, well, whoever you pick, there's only 2 elections. 81 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:50.340 We like means Harker. 82 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.400 Captain Harker is really a sure, strong character. 83 00:03:53.819 --> 00:03:56.219 And even Alan Rowe. 84 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:57.719 Yeah, skin sale. 85 00:03:57.780 --> 00:03:58.439 Skin sale. 86 00:03:58.500 --> 00:04:00.360 That's very nice. is redeeming. 87 00:04:00.419 --> 00:04:03.120 He's almost a bit Jago and Lightfoot. 88 00:04:03.180 --> 00:04:04.979 There's that charm of the. 89 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:07.560 I mean, he's still a rogue and he's a bit of a villain as well, but 90 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:09.300 he's very soft. 91 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:11.520 Well, we're not meant to think so though. 92 00:04:11.580 --> 00:04:15.000 And one thing, I think, why this really works in that way and why 93 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.439 the deaths were so shocking at the time, watching this as boys, or 94 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:22.680 little guilds, if you, you know, if we'd known you when you were a 95 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:23.040 little girl. 96 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:25.920 Do you think that's true, and Missy said that last week, or 97 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:26.939 spoiler a lot? 98 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:28.199 one of the things that might... 99 00:04:28.259 --> 00:04:28.920 It might not be true. 100 00:04:28.980 --> 00:04:29.699 Yes, that's right. 101 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:30.899 However. 102 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:33.660 She's not termed good. 103 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.240 I'd like to see Billy in pigtails. 104 00:04:36.300 --> 00:04:39.540 Shilly temple dressing. he could have carried it off. 105 00:04:39.660 --> 00:04:43.680 But it looked like all the shows we were watching at the time, it 106 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.040 looked like Duchess of Duke Street, which had Lala Ward as the 107 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:51.060 legitimate daughter of Gemma Jones, I think, that the Duchess 108 00:04:51.060 --> 00:04:53.819 herself, the cook who had started up a hotel, based not true 109 00:04:53.819 --> 00:04:54.120 story. 110 00:04:54.180 --> 00:04:55.079 I'm Segwaying. 111 00:04:55.139 --> 00:04:58.980 It looked like all those period dramas, and it was shot the same 112 00:04:58.980 --> 00:04:59.220 way. 113 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.100 So it is a real shock when you see people who, especially in the 114 00:05:02.100 --> 00:05:03.060 history of Doctor Who. 115 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.060 And even with Hinchcliffe that, you know, the nice ones always 116 00:05:06.060 --> 00:05:06.660 survive. 117 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:07.980 Yeah, yeah. 118 00:05:07.980 --> 00:05:11.399 We had expected, but then we just seen seeds of doom, so we should 119 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:12.300 have known better, shouldn't we? 120 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:16.199 Can I use that as an opportunity to talk a bit about the genesis 121 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:16.740 of this story? 122 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:17.759 Yeah. 123 00:05:17.819 --> 00:05:20.939 Philip Hingcliffe tried as much as possible to be a bit like Barry 124 00:05:20.939 --> 00:05:24.540 Letz in leaving a few things in place for his successor. 125 00:05:24.540 --> 00:05:28.800 And straight away, they had this script by Terence Dix called the 126 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:29.819 Vampire Mutations. 127 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.439 Which, spoiler alert, years later would become state of decay. 128 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:38.579 The problem was the BBC were also working this huge co-production 129 00:05:38.579 --> 00:05:41.279 with America on Dracula. 130 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:43.620 They'd lose your dam, that one. 131 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.279 And they thought that any other production doing a vampire thing 132 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:48.420 would be seen as a sendup. 133 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.519 So they veto Doctor Who from using vampires. 134 00:05:50.579 --> 00:05:54.959 So Graham Williams, as he put it, arrived on the job minus one 135 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:55.500 script. 136 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:59.639 He also arrived on the job with a big budget deficit, didn't he? 137 00:05:59.699 --> 00:06:04.139 I mean, didn't Philippine Schliff do a giant overspend on talons 138 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:05.100 on talons. 139 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:08.459 And then suddenly, you know, there's the economy tanks and 140 00:06:08.459 --> 00:06:11.699 inflation skyrockets and there's no money, yeah. 141 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:13.319 There'll be no sign of that during the season. 142 00:06:13.379 --> 00:06:16.620 No, no, they managed to completely conceal that fortunately. 143 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.759 Now, the problem with Dracula isn't just limited to the scripting 144 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:22.019 and pre-production of this story. 145 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:25.079 So they got Terrence Dix back in and said, look, we're going to 146 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:27.899 pay you for the vampire script, but we need another script from 147 00:06:27.899 --> 00:06:29.040 you and we know you're reliable. 148 00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:30.660 Robert Holmes is still script editor. 149 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:31.980 He doesn't have time to write it himself. 150 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:34.379 So give us a new script. 151 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.180 And Terence said, well, what do you want me to write about? 152 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.639 And Bob said, write about lighthouses. 153 00:06:38.699 --> 00:06:40.680 And Terence said, I don't know anything about lighthouses. 154 00:06:40.740 --> 00:06:43.920 And Bob said, well, go out and buy the boys' book of lighthouses 155 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.439 which is kind of the reverse conversation of what happened with 156 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:47.279 the Time Warrior. 157 00:06:47.339 --> 00:06:48.720 Yeah, yeah, it's his revenge, isn't it? 158 00:06:48.779 --> 00:06:50.579 having to write a historical. 159 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:54.240 But it's E.G. Jerome's lighthouses, lightships and boys. 160 00:06:55.379 --> 00:06:57.660 Don't make this. 161 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:02.759 But then, Doctor Who's studio days for recording this at 162 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:05.459 Television Centre were taken up by Dracula. 163 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:09.120 So it was recorded at BBC Birmingham. 164 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:12.839 Pebble Mill. at Pebble Mill, who didn't usually get to do drama. 165 00:07:12.899 --> 00:07:16.439 So they pulled out all the stops and that's why the sets are so 166 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:17.339 fantastic. 167 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:19.680 Because you give a designer a set. 168 00:07:19.740 --> 00:07:21.060 They've already got their job cut out for them. 169 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.779 You give them a circular set where you also have to position 3 170 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:25.500 cameras. 171 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.259 But because they never did drama and they really wanted to impress 172 00:07:28.259 --> 00:07:31.199 they really pulled out all the stops for it and Graham Williams 173 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.420 you'd say, I appreciated it so much because we had so much trouble 174 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:36.120 with this and suddenly here were all these people trying to make 175 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:37.199 it work as much as we were. 176 00:07:37.259 --> 00:07:40.439 And so there are aspects of the production that look great. 177 00:07:40.500 --> 00:07:42.000 The sets are incredible. 178 00:07:42.060 --> 00:07:43.379 They do exteriors. 179 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:45.120 Are they an healing or something on film? 180 00:07:45.180 --> 00:07:48.120 And they shoot them on film so that they look like they're being 181 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:48.839 shot outside. 182 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.680 There's some model shots that are really good. 183 00:07:52.740 --> 00:07:55.199 Some of the lighthouse exterior shots are great. 184 00:07:55.259 --> 00:07:59.639 At the end of episode four, when a big beam of light strikes the 185 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:00.899 Rutan mothership. 186 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.180 That looks really, really good. 187 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.759 Well, the science behind it is water, too. 188 00:08:05.819 --> 00:08:07.379 Well, just nonsense, isn't it? 189 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:12.540 But there are, I mean, there are already signs that things aren't 190 00:08:12.540 --> 00:08:14.819 going to go right with the look of the show and there are some 191 00:08:14.819 --> 00:08:17.819 pretty ropey special effects that are worse than what we've seen 192 00:08:17.819 --> 00:08:19.379 for a little while. 193 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:24.300 I think the particular offender is the puppet root and crawling up 194 00:08:24.300 --> 00:08:26.160 the side of the lighthouse. 195 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:27.060 Oh, wow. 196 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:27.720 Which is pretty terrible. 197 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.959 And I'm not a big fan of the CSO background in the lighthouse 198 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:31.800 gallery, either. 199 00:08:31.860 --> 00:08:32.519 Yeah. 200 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:34.679 It doesn't look all that great. 201 00:08:34.740 --> 00:08:37.559 But the actors make it work like all of these period pieces. 202 00:08:37.620 --> 00:08:40.740 I have to say, it really does look like all the period dramas we 203 00:08:40.740 --> 00:08:42.299 were watching, the BBC was full of them. 204 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:43.259 So was ITV at the time. 205 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:44.940 The characters are great. 206 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.820 I think Harker, Vince is superb. 207 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.460 People talking about this being a great strong story for Lilo, but 208 00:08:50.460 --> 00:08:53.820 really sure she gets to do is react to things. 209 00:08:53.820 --> 00:08:56.639 And sometimes that, you know, the temperature of that may be, I 210 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:57.059 don't mind. 211 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:00.000 I don't think Louise Jameson ever puts a foot wrong, so you're 212 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:01.679 never going to hear any criticism of her from me. 213 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:03.480 But it's the supporting cast. 214 00:09:03.539 --> 00:09:07.080 When Tom and Louise get really good people with them. 215 00:09:07.139 --> 00:09:08.279 The whole thing shines. 216 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:10.500 Yeah, they are all very good. 217 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.240 So it's just the three. 218 00:09:12.299 --> 00:09:14.399 It's Vince, Ben, and Reuben. 219 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:15.240 And how good is that? 220 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:18.059 So Reuben's been in it before. 221 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:19.860 He was Bruce in Anime of the World. 222 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:22.740 Yeah, and later appears as the 6th doctor. 223 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:24.000 He does, yeah. 224 00:09:24.059 --> 00:09:25.379 Not many people know that. 225 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:27.000 And he's lovely. 226 00:09:27.059 --> 00:09:28.620 He's really nice to Vince. 227 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:29.759 You know, he's... 228 00:09:29.820 --> 00:09:31.139 I mean, he's a bit of a stock character. 229 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.259 You know, he's the superstitious light housekeeper, sort of thing 230 00:09:34.259 --> 00:09:37.500 who doesn't hold with electricity and things, and he's doing a 231 00:09:37.500 --> 00:09:39.120 sort of mamoset accent and stuff. 232 00:09:39.179 --> 00:09:41.279 But he's really good. 233 00:09:41.340 --> 00:09:42.480 Vince is really good. 234 00:09:42.539 --> 00:09:45.720 Ben is in it for like half an episode, and he's really sort of 235 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:47.159 strongly characterised. 236 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:50.879 And then you get a whole group of people, ah, that terrible 237 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:54.299 cliffhanger to episode one where everyone else turns up, and it's 238 00:09:54.299 --> 00:09:56.159 that shockingly bad model shot. 239 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:57.659 Which wouldn't be so bad. 240 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:00.179 If they didn't hold on it for 15 seconds. 241 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.620 Terrible. 242 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.399 But it is quite saved in the reprise in episode 2, where they cut 243 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.240 back up to the lighthouse and someone says, the boat's crashed and 244 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:12.539 Louise Jameson's looking down, she says, they shall all die then. 245 00:10:13.860 --> 00:10:17.460 And it's just like, whoa, okay, Leila's really not happy. 246 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:21.779 And then we get the rest of our supporting cast, which is Harker 247 00:10:21.779 --> 00:10:25.259 and Skin Sale and Parmadale and Adelaide. do you know why they're 248 00:10:25.259 --> 00:10:25.500 in there? 249 00:10:25.620 --> 00:10:29.279 Because Terence Dix realised you can't have much of a murder 250 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.320 mystery was only three potential victims. 251 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.779 So he introduced more people to be killed off. 252 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:34.740 Yeah, yeah. 253 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:38.879 Well, and they're all just terrific, like without exception, I 254 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:39.059 think. 255 00:10:39.179 --> 00:10:44.159 But the really striking thing is the way that Tom acts, I think, in 256 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.639 this story, and it is a little bit different from what we've seen 257 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:48.000 before. 258 00:10:48.299 --> 00:10:52.320 Actually, Todd has a few words he'd like to say about that is he 259 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:53.460 comes down out of the fog. 260 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.279 I'm not sure that's the lighthouse sounding though. 261 00:10:56.340 --> 00:11:00.600 Well, guys, it's foggy in the time vortex tonight, but, you know 262 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:00.960 here I am. 263 00:11:01.019 --> 00:11:04.799 I can't believe that this is a replacement script. 264 00:11:04.860 --> 00:11:06.960 How amazing is this story? 265 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:08.460 And what about Tom Baker? 266 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:14.279 His performance in this is so intense and still and centred. 267 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:19.679 Is this his last really great performance as the doctor? 268 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:23.159 See, I don't know whether I would describe it as intense. 269 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:27.240 He's in a bad mood, and I don't know whether it's Tom in a bad 270 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:27.480 mood. 271 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:31.320 Tom and Louise were cats in a bag. instead of this one. 272 00:11:31.379 --> 00:11:33.659 And Patty Russell was the one in the middle, and she was trying to 273 00:11:33.659 --> 00:11:35.399 find lots of ways to distract Tom. 274 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:37.559 He was mad at his options. 275 00:11:37.620 --> 00:11:38.639 Tony Russell, too. 276 00:11:38.700 --> 00:11:42.000 Well, he was calling her sir, which, Brendan, you've commented on 277 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.360 before that, you know, it might be seen as a brand of respect, but 278 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:46.440 it really wasn't. 279 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.039 And the rest of the crew and the rest of the and the rest of the 280 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:50.580 troop. 281 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:51.899 The actors thought this is a bit full on. 282 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:53.820 She left the BBC almost immediately afterwards. 283 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:55.620 Yeah, well, he's refused. 284 00:11:55.620 --> 00:11:58.679 And he was a big fat, naughty Tom for doing it. 285 00:11:58.740 --> 00:12:02.279 Well, he refuses to make eye contact with anyone. at all. 286 00:12:02.340 --> 00:12:05.519 I hated the fact that Louise was there, wanted, wanted, he's 287 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:07.980 talking cabbage. 288 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:09.659 But it works. 289 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:10.980 Like, it is a great performance. 290 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:14.519 So he comes in and he's super arrogant and dismissive. 291 00:12:14.580 --> 00:12:18.480 He continually lies to the other characters about what's going 292 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:18.779 on. 293 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.740 Not to protect them, but because he's completely contemptuous of 294 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:23.039 them. 295 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:27.059 He mocks Reuben for being superstitious even though we know that 296 00:12:27.059 --> 00:12:28.919 Reuben's actually quite a nice person. 297 00:12:28.980 --> 00:12:32.039 And it turns out correct, because it's electricity, that is the 298 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:33.240 threat. 299 00:12:33.299 --> 00:12:34.620 It had the damn oil. 300 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:36.240 The routine, wouldn't it, then? 301 00:12:36.299 --> 00:12:39.600 And he comes down into the crew room, which is full of, you know 302 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.960 Palmadale and skin sale in Adelaide, and says, the lighthouse is 303 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:46.320 under attack, and by tomorrow, we might all be dead, and he smiles 304 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.399 and laughs, you know, he's really, really contemptuous and 305 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:51.240 horrible. 306 00:12:51.299 --> 00:12:52.259 I loved it, all. all of them. 307 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.620 It's great, you know, like, it's a really strong performance. 308 00:12:55.740 --> 00:12:58.259 And it also means that when we get that episode three 309 00:12:58.259 --> 00:12:59.039 cliffhanger. 310 00:12:59.100 --> 00:13:02.820 Yeah, it's so, so powerful because in isolation. 311 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:04.679 That cliffhanger seems really strange. 312 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:07.559 We don't often get a cliffhanger, which is the doctor realising 313 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:07.740 something. 314 00:13:07.860 --> 00:13:12.059 But this realisation is so good because he's been so high and 315 00:13:12.059 --> 00:13:15.779 mighty all the way through and because he's been so contemptuous 316 00:13:15.779 --> 00:13:19.440 as you say, it's actually his fault that people are still dying. 317 00:13:19.500 --> 00:13:19.919 Yeah. 318 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:20.940 It is terrific. 319 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.700 And I think that you can do worse than end an episode of Doctor 320 00:13:23.700 --> 00:13:26.940 Who by having Tom Baker deliver a really dramatic line. 321 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.539 After completely blowing the pronunciation of chameleon. 322 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:31.440 Oh does he? 323 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.779 He says, the chameleon factor. 324 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:35.340 He must have thought it was French. 325 00:13:35.460 --> 00:13:37.559 Karma Chameleon. 326 00:13:37.620 --> 00:13:40.019 Ah, what a silly shunt. 327 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:45.960 Oh, dear. 328 00:13:46.019 --> 00:13:46.500 Sorry. 329 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:48.000 Behind the scenes of course. 330 00:13:48.059 --> 00:13:52.139 This was the story where Louise finally said to Tom. 331 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:55.679 It's not my fault that you don't like me being here. 332 00:13:55.740 --> 00:13:57.240 I'm here to do a job. 333 00:13:57.299 --> 00:14:00.120 I'm here to fulfil a function in the show and I think you're being 334 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.899 very unfair to me as a new actress and she did use the word 335 00:14:03.899 --> 00:14:04.500 unprofessional. 336 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:06.960 And after that, you know, they didn't get along like a house on 337 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:11.039 fire, but you see in the subsequent stories that he performs with 338 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:12.539 her a lot better. 339 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:14.820 He is a petulant monster, isn't he? 340 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:16.679 Which is probably where he works on screen. 341 00:14:16.740 --> 00:14:20.820 I think that he's still cross with her in Invisible Enemy. 342 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.879 You know, like, again, everyone's cross with everyone. 343 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.519 I think that's right. preempting a lovely story. 344 00:14:26.580 --> 00:14:29.220 There are some lovely scenes between them though, which we'll get 345 00:14:29.220 --> 00:14:29.639 to next week. 346 00:14:29.700 --> 00:14:30.240 Yeah. 347 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.340 You know, you know the poem at the end? 348 00:14:32.340 --> 00:14:38.279 When the doctor, when Tom foddles off, you know, and quotes the 349 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.919 ballad of Flanen Island, do you know that one? 350 00:14:40.980 --> 00:14:41.399 Yes. 351 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:42.720 But do you? 352 00:14:42.779 --> 00:14:44.639 Okay, you tell us which one. 353 00:14:45.059 --> 00:14:46.860 Oh, I shall love it. 354 00:14:46.980 --> 00:14:51.299 And it says, though, it's really great, but it's about, it 355 00:14:51.299 --> 00:14:52.620 preempts Maros. 356 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.519 It's about 3 lighthouse keepers turning into birds. 357 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.039 Flannen Isle. 358 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:03.120 It goes, the 3 men dwell on Flannen Isle to keep the lamp alight. 359 00:15:03.179 --> 00:15:05.039 As we steered under the lee. 360 00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:07.440 We caught no glimmer through the night. 361 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:11.340 A passing ship at dawn had brought the news, and quickly we set 362 00:15:11.340 --> 00:15:15.179 sail to find out what strange thing might aim the keepers of the 363 00:15:15.179 --> 00:15:15.899 deep sea light. 364 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:16.860 I didn't say it was good. 365 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:22.080 But when today broke blue and bright with glancing sun and 366 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:25.980 glancing spray, as though the sweller boat made way as gallant as 367 00:15:25.980 --> 00:15:26.639 a goal in flight. 368 00:15:26.700 --> 00:15:27.779 Anyway, it goes on and on. 369 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:28.440 You can look it up. 370 00:15:28.500 --> 00:15:31.080 Yeah, they turn into birds, or they turn into Nicola Bryant. 371 00:15:31.139 --> 00:15:34.440 Covered in all emu or rod hole. 372 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:39.480 Or what's that green thing that Lucas dresses up as? 373 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:42.720 No, they don't need the green fluffy... 374 00:15:42.779 --> 00:15:44.639 Turn into pate biscuit, Mongo. 375 00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:46.679 They turn into Yeah, they turn into birds. 376 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:50.039 I suppose that's the chameleon factor at work again, isn't it? 377 00:15:50.460 --> 00:15:52.740 So Adelaide. 378 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:54.720 Yeah, we kind of like Adelaide. 379 00:15:54.779 --> 00:15:57.000 Yeah. at least she's a girl. 380 00:15:57.059 --> 00:15:57.779 Exactly. 381 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:02.100 So we do have only one woman in the guest cast, and we're 382 00:16:02.100 --> 00:16:05.100 introduced to Adelaide because she's doing like tiny little 383 00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:09.240 screams from on the model boat, you know, at the end of episode 384 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:09.600 one. 385 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:10.679 No, stop. 386 00:16:10.740 --> 00:16:12.059 No, turn around. 387 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:17.220 And Harker, when he attacks Lord Palmadale, refers to her. 388 00:16:17.340 --> 00:16:19.860 No, in fact, it must be, it must be at some other time. 389 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.220 He refers to her as the owner's fancy woman. 390 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:27.419 So, you know, presumably, she's having an affair with Lord 391 00:16:27.419 --> 00:16:28.139 Parmadale. 392 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:29.340 Oh, I think it's. 393 00:16:29.460 --> 00:16:32.159 She wouldn't be able to behave like that if she would just... 394 00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:34.679 Yeah, I mean, he's taken her to Doeville or something like that 395 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:34.980 you know. 396 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:36.360 Right up the Dauville. 397 00:16:36.659 --> 00:16:40.860 And she is absolutely superb. 398 00:16:40.860 --> 00:16:44.399 And it is, you know, Terrence has this sort of shtick that he does 399 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.740 where he's sort of sexist and obnoxious. 400 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:50.639 He claims credit for getting rid of Liz Shaw because she's too 401 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:55.379 competent and intelligent and replacing her with Joe Grant, who is 402 00:16:55.379 --> 00:16:58.019 also, I think, terribly competent and intelligent. 403 00:16:58.080 --> 00:16:58.980 But in a different way. 404 00:16:59.039 --> 00:16:59.700 In a different way. 405 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.799 She wasn't cast to be, though. 406 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:03.659 Well, yeah, no, maybe that's true. 407 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:11.220 So he puts in a very kind of stereotypical, silly, cowardly, I 408 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:16.140 want to avoid the word hysterical woman, who is really, really 409 00:17:16.140 --> 00:17:19.140 entertaining to watch, and all of her sort of falling apart 410 00:17:19.140 --> 00:17:20.880 whenever anything terrible happens. 411 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.900 There's that wonderful moment where Vince calls down from the lamp 412 00:17:24.900 --> 00:17:28.440 gallery, and the doctor answers it, and he goes, That's very 413 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:29.700 interesting, you know? 414 00:17:29.819 --> 00:17:34.319 Lord Palmerdale's fallen from the lamp gallery, and she does the 415 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:36.660 sort of giant screaming and all of that sort of thing. 416 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.160 And Leila slapped Leila. 417 00:17:38.220 --> 00:17:40.380 She's been waiting to do. 418 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:43.559 Leila just slaps her, but then walks over to the doctor and says 419 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:44.160 what's happened? 420 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:50.759 In fact, the contrast between Leila and Adelaide is just terrific 421 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.359 and Leila's open contempt for Adelaide is also great. 422 00:17:54.779 --> 00:17:57.839 But it's wonderful how that evolves. 423 00:17:58.019 --> 00:18:02.519 Because they find the commonality in the idea of the astrologer. 424 00:18:02.579 --> 00:18:03.480 Yes. 425 00:18:03.539 --> 00:18:06.900 Because, you know, Adelaide says, Miss Nethercott's is never 426 00:18:06.900 --> 00:18:07.140 wrong. 427 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:08.880 I believe in science. 428 00:18:08.940 --> 00:18:10.440 Yeah, and... 429 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.779 Yeah, Leila starts talking about, I used to be like you, but now I 430 00:18:12.779 --> 00:18:13.380 believe in science. 431 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:17.700 And the scene ends on that wonderful close-up of Adelaide, just 432 00:18:17.700 --> 00:18:18.960 sort of kind of thinking about it. 433 00:18:19.019 --> 00:18:20.220 And when we next see her again. 434 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:21.779 She's perfectly calm. 435 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:23.700 There's a strange sound, but she doesn't scream. 436 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:24.480 What's that? 437 00:18:24.539 --> 00:18:26.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 438 00:18:26.220 --> 00:18:28.859 So, yeah, but I think that a lot of that tension is also set up by 439 00:18:28.859 --> 00:18:33.000 naughty skin sale right from the beginning, saying, who's this? 440 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.839 Who's this lovely bit of tawdry chocolate velvet? 441 00:18:36.900 --> 00:18:38.940 Who is this gorgeous little ginger over here? 442 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:40.859 That is really funny. 443 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:45.480 Leila's in men's clothes, but skins how really fancies her. 444 00:18:45.539 --> 00:18:47.460 Well, I did go to a public school. 445 00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:50.460 No, no, it's Victor Victoria. 446 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:52.019 No, it's not that. 447 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.980 It's Adelaide says, were you a long time in India? 448 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:00.839 Which is a fantastically racist and colonialist thing. 449 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:03.779 You know, Bob Holmes is script editing after all. 450 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.279 Not long enough to not be able to appreciate a fine looking 451 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:08.880 woman. 452 00:19:08.940 --> 00:19:11.460 Yeah, well, that's I think that's his more or less his reply. 453 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:13.980 Or do you think that he actually wasn't wearing his glasses and he 454 00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:14.640 thought it was Vince? 455 00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:18.000 Vince is a bit skinny really. 456 00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:20.519 He looks like a young Michael Palin, I think. 457 00:19:20.579 --> 00:19:21.480 Yeah, he does a bit. 458 00:19:21.539 --> 00:19:26.160 And of course, Ben was Captain Knight in the web of fear. 459 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:27.599 Oh, really? 460 00:19:27.660 --> 00:19:28.200 Oh, yes. 461 00:19:28.259 --> 00:19:31.380 He's sort of hidden under a big wig and a moustache. 462 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.359 Yeah, and dies 5 minutes in. 463 00:19:33.420 --> 00:19:35.220 You don't get to see much of it. 464 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:36.539 So what do we think of the Rutan? 465 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:38.039 I love it. 466 00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:39.180 Yeah, me too. 467 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:40.079 I actually do. 468 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.119 I've never seen anything like it. 469 00:19:42.180 --> 00:19:44.460 On a small TV, a small colour TV. 470 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:45.359 It really popped. 471 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.400 It was liquorious and aqueous. 472 00:19:47.460 --> 00:19:48.119 It was all those things. 473 00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:49.920 It was those things that used to be able to buy on a Friday 474 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.759 afternoon coming home from school when you put sherbet into lime 475 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:56.880 cordial frozen stuff on a really hot summer Saturday. a lime 476 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:57.240 spider. 477 00:19:57.299 --> 00:19:59.279 A lime spider, yeah, yeah. 478 00:19:59.339 --> 00:20:03.599 And I have to say, I think it's the best non-humanoid, non-robotic 479 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:05.099 Doctor Who alien we've had. 480 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:06.660 What about the Maya Beast? 481 00:20:06.779 --> 00:20:08.940 Okay, so the Ruten's only got one ball. 482 00:20:09.539 --> 00:20:11.339 What about the sound? 483 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.819 Because I think it's the noise that makes, and that it's Ruben's 484 00:20:14.819 --> 00:20:15.960 voice that I really like. 485 00:20:16.019 --> 00:20:19.140 There's a kind of background sound which you get right away from 486 00:20:19.140 --> 00:20:20.759 episode one, yeah, that noise. 487 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:25.680 If you've ever had a lava land that you've dropped. and I have. 488 00:20:25.740 --> 00:20:26.700 That's exactly what. 489 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:29.220 And if you remember the prisoner, of course, we know that they 490 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:30.299 live in lava lamps. 491 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:31.200 Yes, that's right. 492 00:20:31.259 --> 00:20:33.119 I think it is kind of effective. 493 00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:35.819 It's sort of cute actually in the way that it tries to go up the 494 00:20:35.819 --> 00:20:36.599 stairs. 495 00:20:36.660 --> 00:20:39.900 It's something that Graham Williams will do a lot in his tenure 496 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:41.039 which is... 497 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.220 Whereas the Hinchcliffe monsters. 498 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.019 As soon as you looked at them, you knew they were meant to be 499 00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:46.559 monstrous. 500 00:20:46.619 --> 00:20:48.779 That's not always the case with Graham Williams. 501 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:53.940 He's much better at the idea of appearances belying intent. 502 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:57.839 And so when you 1st see the rooting, you might think, oh, that's a 503 00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:59.880 bit weird, but you might not be terrified by it, but then you get 504 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:01.440 the sound design, then you get the voice. 505 00:21:01.500 --> 00:21:04.799 Then you get the really quite effective reversed footage of 506 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.160 tendrils being dragged off people but reverse to show them going 507 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:08.640 on to people. 508 00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:13.980 Like Palmerdale's death. despite the root and sort of CSOing its 509 00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:15.359 way up the lighthouse. 510 00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:19.440 His actual electrocution and death and death scream are all very 511 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:19.740 effective. 512 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:23.160 In fact, one of the things that I really love about that there is 513 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:27.720 that the foghorn goes off at exactly the same time and conceals 514 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:33.359 the screen, which I just think is terrific and just so 515 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:34.380 atmospheric. 516 00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:38.279 Don't you think the foghorn really makes it much scarier? 517 00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:40.619 The score and the foley in this really gross. 518 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:41.460 Yeah, yeah. 519 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:42.599 And the atmospherics. 520 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:44.460 Patty Russell really doesn't get it wrong, does she? 521 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.960 I don't remember a story that I've seen her do where I thought she 522 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.180 didn't quite come up to scratch every time. 523 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:54.180 I think she lifts pyramids. 524 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:55.680 I love the feel. 525 00:21:55.740 --> 00:21:56.759 She's good for atmospherics. 526 00:21:56.819 --> 00:21:58.440 Maybe that's why they gave her this one as well. 527 00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:01.319 Because pyramids has a lovely feel to it. 528 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:03.599 I mean, this is very traditional. 529 00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:06.599 It really is just, you know, like a base under siege. 530 00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:07.440 Do you know what I mean? 531 00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:10.980 It's like a small group of people being picked off one by one by a 532 00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:11.460 monster. 533 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.480 There's nothing really very inventive or new about it, but it's so 534 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:20.819 confident and so well characterised and so well directed and the 535 00:22:20.819 --> 00:22:21.900 atmosphere is great. 536 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:24.480 The sets are great. everyone's on form. 537 00:22:24.539 --> 00:22:27.900 Even though Tom is being horrible to everyone. 538 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.420 The performance just really, really works. 539 00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:32.099 I think it ramps it up. 540 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:35.700 Tom comes across as looking agitated and out of his depth. 541 00:22:35.819 --> 00:22:38.819 The doctors, looks like Tim felt to me as if he's covering up. 542 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:41.099 'Cause he's not really sure what to do. 543 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:44.160 I actually think, you know, like, in the new series, he would have 544 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.940 gone somewhere a bit further with that episode three thing where 545 00:22:47.940 --> 00:22:51.599 which you mentioned, Brendan, where Tom admits that he's made a 546 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:54.539 mistake, you know, and that his arrogance would have got some kind 547 00:22:54.539 --> 00:22:57.660 of comeuppance, but, you know, it's Tom, he's kind of untouchable 548 00:22:57.660 --> 00:23:01.380 and it's the mid to late 70s, and we don't really do that stuff 549 00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:01.799 yet. 550 00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:04.980 But, you know, apart from that, there's really no criticism. 551 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:10.079 And the very end, in episode four, you know, they try and up the 552 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:14.099 stakes by doing what they did in the Santar and experiment and 553 00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:17.160 having a giant off scene battle fleet that's going to come and 554 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:18.059 threaten them all. 555 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:23.339 And that kind of does change the stakes and make it a little bit 556 00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:24.900 bigger. 557 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:31.019 And we do spend kind of nearly half the last episode kind of 558 00:23:31.019 --> 00:23:32.460 dealing with that, don't we? 559 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:37.019 So, uh, we kill off the root and by emptying our pockets into a 560 00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:40.319 mortar and firing everything we own at it. 561 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:45.059 And there's one delightful moment where, um, Leila is emptying 562 00:23:45.059 --> 00:23:49.079 Tom's pockets into the mortar and she picks up the bag of jelly 563 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.480 babies and just shoves it into the mortar as well. 564 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:55.079 So they're firing jelly babies at the root and in order to kill 565 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:55.319 it. 566 00:23:55.619 --> 00:24:01.140 And then the effects for the mothership are really, terribly good 567 00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:01.740 I think. 568 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:04.980 It's a big fiery flameball, isn't it? 569 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.039 So rather than making it look like a flying saucer or something 570 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:08.579 really obvious. 571 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:12.839 They keep it sort of, like, a sort of ill defined light, and it is 572 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:17.039 just, sort of, flames, a big ball of flames outside the window. 573 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:18.240 I think that's really good. 574 00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:23.940 It's Leila's idea to use the lighthouse to defeat, to defeat it. 575 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.319 And it works. 576 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:27.119 How? 577 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:28.980 Oh, who cares? 578 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.839 It's Doctor Who, for God's sake. 579 00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:36.180 Light amplification, simulated emission, simulated emission of 580 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:36.660 radiation. 581 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.059 Or maybe it's actually Sean Connery, diamonds are forever 582 00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:39.539 science. 583 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:40.319 Maybe Jill St. 584 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:41.700 John would have done exactly the same thing. 585 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:43.859 Had she been in the same predicament? 586 00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:48.839 You remember when the doctor's hiding in the hiding in the crew 587 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:51.359 quarters and Rubens outside? 588 00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:54.720 And I think Reuben does, he's terrific possessed, isn't he? 589 00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:55.980 Like with that smile. 590 00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:59.759 That wicked green, which actually does look very Colin Baker. 591 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:01.920 It does actually. 592 00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:02.640 I think you're right. 593 00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:04.920 Headvances on Vince and kills him. 594 00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:07.440 He's terribly effective and scary. 595 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.160 But the doctor's hiding in the crew quarters from him, and he does 596 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.920 that terrible scene where he's dangling out the window again, which 597 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:14.519 looks pretty poor. 598 00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:17.519 But he seems to be going through Ben's collection of naughty 599 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:18.180 postcards. 600 00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:19.019 Yes. 601 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:19.980 Yes, that's right, yes. 602 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:24.660 Which, I gather, were vintage postcards from the era. 603 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:29.519 But yes, to be broadcast in 1977, still had to have some clothes 604 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:30.420 drawn on. 605 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.779 They were literally, they were a little too revealing for Saturday 606 00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:40.380 tea time. 90 years hence. that's beautiful Hopefully avoiding the 607 00:25:40.380 --> 00:25:42.240 laser beam, Todd's just flying around again. 608 00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:43.799 He's got one more question for us. 609 00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:47.700 And finally, the horror of Fang Rock. 610 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:51.420 Could anybody have actually survived this story? 611 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.220 Oh, look, there's something happening to my control. 612 00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:56.039 Contact has been made. 613 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:56.940 What? 614 00:25:56.940 --> 00:25:57.180 What? 615 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:57.539 What? 616 00:25:57.599 --> 00:25:59.460 Oh, I'm heading one of my sick headaches. 617 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:02.099 I've got to go and put a giant prawn on the Barbie for some 618 00:26:02.099 --> 00:26:02.400 reason. 619 00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:08.460 I don't think he wants to leave, you know, many people alive, do 620 00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:09.000 you know what I mean? 621 00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:10.799 Like, there's no good characters here. 622 00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:11.640 You really... 623 00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:13.140 The doctor doesn't want to save any people alive. 624 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.019 I don't think Terry, I don't think Terry wants to leave anyone 625 00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:17.339 alive, do you know what I mean? 626 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.039 And he could only leave a couple of people alive at the most. 627 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:24.059 Think about robots of death, where you leave two Sunuvanov alive. 628 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:24.720 Yeah. 629 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.160 But they've got some way of getting back. 630 00:26:26.220 --> 00:26:28.799 So there's just the practical problem with leaving someone alive 631 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.920 in that, say, skin sale survives. 632 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:33.779 What does he do? 633 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:34.980 Does he swim to shore? 634 00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:35.940 Do you know what I mean? 635 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.500 But the other thing is skin sale is really venal and cowardly. 636 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.000 Well, he's human. 637 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:43.259 But he's horrible. 638 00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.619 He needles Parmadale, who is also an awful person. 639 00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.680 He's clearly done some cider trading. 640 00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:53.160 He uses that as an excuse to cut off all communications. 641 00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:56.700 Yeah, yeah, you know, he's to blame for the situation. 642 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.759 And so I think he needs to die. 643 00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:03.660 And so I think that is really effective. 644 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.900 The fact that no one is still alive at the end of it. 645 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:11.039 And I remember, isn't the last line of the novelisation, the 646 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:14.220 novelisation, which is for almost certainly by Terrence, has Tom 647 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:17.759 doing the poem, and the last line was something like, There was 648 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.000 nobody left alive to hear them or something like that. 649 00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:22.259 I think that's where it's coming from. 650 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.319 If you like, it's kind of colonialism of the past. 651 00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:29.279 Because it's in the past, you can treat people as if they're not 652 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.920 actually three dimensional, because they're all dead anyway. 653 00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:33.660 You've actually got more license. 654 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.740 If this was a contemporary story, I believe the producers anyway 655 00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:40.980 or at least the audience may well have also felt it was far more 656 00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:43.920 impactful to kill people off, it's not more painful, but because 657 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.359 it's the past... 658 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:46.920 They would have been dead by 1977. 659 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:49.259 They would have been dead anyway, and then there's this kind of 660 00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:52.440 unreality, and also comes with theatre from the past, and, you 661 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.319 know, we look at the plays of the time, where we know Shaw, and we 662 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:55.859 know Wild. 663 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:01.500 And there is a sort of archness and theatricality to that, that's 664 00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:04.619 somewhat removed from humanity or from their own humanism. 665 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.279 I think this really works in that it gives the character such well 666 00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:08.279 rounded. 667 00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:10.920 It does feel like there's a lot of Bob Holmes in this, even though 668 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:11.880 it's... 669 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:12.299 I think so too. 670 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:12.960 You think so, yeah. 671 00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:15.900 The one thing that surprises me, and it wouldn't happen now, is 672 00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:18.539 that there doesn't seem to be much of a thematic link between the 673 00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:24.059 wrangling between the characters and the main plot of the root and 674 00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:24.779 killing them all. 675 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:25.619 Do you know what I mean? 676 00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:26.220 thematically. 677 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.519 Yeah, yeah, it's not like the root and wants earth for its 678 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.759 resources, which would make sense then with the diamonds and what 679 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:33.000 have you. 680 00:28:33.059 --> 00:28:36.359 Kind of like that because it's crueller because it, you know 681 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.519 killing doesn't make any sense. 682 00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:41.940 It is just done for its own sake and that just makes it all the 683 00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:43.980 more cold and wasteful. 684 00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:46.559 Yeah, they're people who are going about their lives, have 685 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.200 conflicts between themselves, and then they all just get mowed 686 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:50.039 down sort of thing. 687 00:28:50.099 --> 00:28:52.980 It's also a great release for the writer and possibly for the 688 00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:56.460 audience because you don't often get to kill off an entire cast. 689 00:28:56.579 --> 00:29:00.180 All the other shows we were watching when the boat comes in, which 690 00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:03.480 I think was also filmed at Pebble Milt, which was a long, long 691 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.259 going, tedious drama about the fisher boat. 692 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:07.740 It was awful. 693 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:09.119 I think James Bond was the hit. 694 00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:13.019 Anyway, I just remember it being, it went on for even longer than 695 00:29:13.019 --> 00:29:14.099 our series of podcasts. 696 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.960 And you just wanted them all to die. 697 00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:19.740 So, yeah, it was a great sense of release when they all when they 698 00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:20.940 all went and it was 10. 699 00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:24.599 That unreleased final episode of Are You Being Served? 700 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.559 where they're all killed in a sort of hideous mannequin accident. 701 00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:31.319 Yeah, with Bob Holmes was born in, that's right. 702 00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:34.200 It was all autons and... very cathartic. 703 00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:49.920 Dear listeners, that's all the time we have for horror of Fang 704 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:50.220 Rock. 705 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.400 We are taking off, but we still won't make the great exhibition 706 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.240 I'm afraid, as we are head into the far future next week for the 707 00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:57.960 invisible enemy. 708 00:29:58.019 --> 00:29:59.460 Do find us online. 709 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.819 Flight through entirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook 710 00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:06.240 and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. 711 00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:11.279 We also now have 3 bond finger commentaries available for Dr. No 712 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.740 from Russia with Love and Goldfinger. 713 00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:16.619 Please check those out at bondfinger.com. 714 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:20.279 Also Bondfingercast on Twitter and Bondfinger on Facebook and 715 00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:20.940 iTunes. 716 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.140 Until we see you next, may your lime spiders never try to 717 00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:25.920 electrocute you. 718 00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:27.960 I'm Brendan, thank you very much and good night. 719 00:30:28.019 --> 00:30:28.500 Good night. 720 00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:29.279 Good, everyone. 721 00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:34.799 That works, Flight Through Entirety, with Nathan Boffamly, Brendan 722 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:36.119 Jones and Richard Stone. 723 00:30:36.180 --> 00:30:39.900 This episode, the practical problem with leaving someone alive, was 724 00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:42.359 recorded on September the 27th, 2015. 725 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.660 The next episode will be released on the 1st of November, top 726 00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:46.500 dating tip. 727 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.799 If you're having to bash down his door with an axe screaming come 728 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:59.039 out old one, maybe he's just not that into you. 27th of September 729 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.900 The Horror of Fang Rock. 730 00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:02.640 Really? 731 00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:03.539 You doing that, are you? 732 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.059 Well, you're doing the accent. 733 00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.099 Every time every time I do the credits. 734 00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:11.279 I have to go back and look at the calendar and see when we 735 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:11.940 recorded it. 736 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:12.480 Okay. 737 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:14.400 So I'm now doing it. 738 00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:16.440 And if actually, if I...