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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast which has made in Minot stamped on its

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bottom.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan I'm a lovely golden sheepskin somewhere.

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Let's hope you find me.

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And we're getting a bit allegorical as we dive into Doctor Who's

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greatest CSO adventure ever, underworld.

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Well, this is my story, and it's just absolute...

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Really, really, truly terrible.

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Oh, I don't know. actually kind of like this.

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I like this a lot more than the last one.

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That's extraordinary.

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I like the 1st episode more.

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Yeah, can we start at the beginning?

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The 1st episode has amazing model work.

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Yeah, I think that's absolutely true.

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It does have really good model work, and in fact, the model work

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this season's good.

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The invasion of time will have quite good.

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Yeah, yeah, too.

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They've set the benchmark, believe it or not, with Invisible

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Enemy.

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And this story, again, to get a whole day of model shooting and up

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to the level of, we keep talking about Star Wars, but it is

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actually going back to the Andersons.

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It's Space 1979 and they're trying to compete with ITV for that or

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ITC, I should say for that one.

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And I think they do it really well in this.

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And I think the high concept kind of idea that we're on the edge

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of the universe and planets and star systems and things are being

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created.

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I think all of that stuff's really great.

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And I think it's quite memorable.

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I think the set for the R1C.

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The R1C?

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The set is really good and it's. a tax form, isn't it, really?

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It'll be, it'll be.

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Set is gorgeous as we discover it chewed up most of the budget

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they did reuse it later on, as they said, a P78.

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And they, it is in itself a reuse of the Titan shuttle bridge.

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Oh, it is too.

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Yes. and that was deliberately planned. because Graham Williams

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was aware, 1st of all, that his budget was going to be slashed.

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Thank you, Philip, Epicanthic folds, Hinchcliffe.

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And secondly, that he had 2 spaceships in 2 stories, well, let's

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try and use that a bit more.

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From a season progression point of view.

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We started out on Earth.

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Then we went to the asteroid belt.

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Back to Earth again, and out to the asteroid belt again in image

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of Vendal.

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Then we went out to Pluto, and now we're on the very edge of the

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universe.

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So the idea of the doctor teaching Leela.

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Although it seems to have been lost this season.

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He is taking her to places, sort of, to do with the exploration of

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humanity.

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Now, we don't have humans in this.

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We have minions.

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Not little yellow people with single eyes and overalls.

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Although, once you get the helmets off, not far off.

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Oh, my God.

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God, they're minions.

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They're minions.

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What the hell are they, by the way?

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They say they've evolved if they evolved from minions and now

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they've got metal cylindrical hands?

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I mean, what the hell are they?

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Cylindrical heads with a bit of a seam around the top, shall we?

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ridiculous.

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Angry red eyes.

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Angry red stop lights, yeah.

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Stop the script.

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It's really.

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I mean, it's really, truly awful.

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And I think the really telling point is that one of the main

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characters tries to kill herself out of sheer boredom in episode

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one.

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So she's she's on a set that seems to be as large as anything

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we've ever seen and Doctor Who.

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It looks gorgeous.

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That regeneration chamber is one of Rod's paintings, the one

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just...

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I mean, so they regenerate because, you know, they're known to the

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time or they've been on this quest for 100,000 years.

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But Tala doesn't, she's like in old lady makeup and sort of 20s

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wig, you know, 20s slap of wig and then she's going to die and she

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tries not to regenerate because she just wants to kill her.

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She wants Maggie Smith's career, so she's looking so much like her

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right now.

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No, I just want, look, and Jackson, the character, Jason Jackson

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in this one, kind of sums it up as well.

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You know what?

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I think it actually comes down to performances.

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We've got some really good actors in this.

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I'd like to signpost Alan Lake and get to him later on as

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Herrick.

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He's extraordinary.

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It's scary in a Blake 7 episode when he kills Mike Yates, doesn't

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he?

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a seriously good actor and a serious monster, which is why you

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don't see him in more things.

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He's kind of the Peter Finch, Oliver Reed, of TV, of 70s TV.

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We'll get to him later, but, you know, James Maxwell, who's

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playing Jackson, the captain.

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It should be there should be some impetus from him, but when he

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says it's been 100,000 years going on and on and on.

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All you get is the sense of utter fatigue and ennui.

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And we've taken back to Hebrews 138, aren't we?

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As you would know.

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Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, forever.

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They're born.

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I mean, they're bored.

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We land on a spaceship where everyone is utterly bored and no one

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is...

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No one is interesting.

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Do you know what I mean?

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everyone is just sort of terrifically dull.

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I have to agree.

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Look, aside from Alan Lake, I don't think there's a decent guest

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performance in this.

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Oh, the extras, though, are the best worst extras.

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Mercy for my dead baby.

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Jenny is like the Jenny led company true. pilings and they're all

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superb.

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Oh, but, you know, Imogen Bickford Smith.

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That's Tala.

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Her agent was billing her as, oh, she's going to replace Leila and

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Graham Williams apparently said, who told you this?

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Oh, my agent thought it would look very good.

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You're not even very good, dad.

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Oh, yeah.

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She was a bit posh and a new Princess Diana.

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I mean, you say Jackson's sort of delivery about, it's been

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100,000 years presents ennui.

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I think he's acting like, have I left the iron on?

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I've been out for 3 hours.

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Is that enough time to burn down the house or just the carpet?

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You know, he looks like he's doing some very complex mathematics.

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I don't get any sense that he's been on this long journey.

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It's relying far too heavily on our snow, which we probably did.

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School kids and certainly you, Nathan, would have known, the

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Homer.

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So.

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No, it's not Homer so much.

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I mean, there's sort of references to the Argo and things all

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throughout Greek and Latin literature, but the big sources, the

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Argonautica buy Apollonius of Rhodes.

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And I have to say I haven't read it, but it's a Hellenistic epic

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and what it's really famous for.

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So Jason is sent by Hera, possibly, by Athena.

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Some bint in a toga, yeah.

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Yeah, it's a horrible, self-centred goddess, and sent off to get

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the Golden Fleece, but it's really to get Madea, whom he'll fall

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into.

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Diana Rigg, who will, yes, obviously played by Diana Rigg, who

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he'll fall in love with, and then he brings her back, and then he

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will trick the daughters of King Pelias into boiling him alive

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because he's a terrible tyrant, sort of thing.

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But the, like, Apollonius version is famous for kind of what

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people now are gone as a sort of sophisticated psychological

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realism in the way that the characters of Jason and Medea are

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treated.

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Well we certainly get that in this show.

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Well, Medea's not even in it, unless it's, it's a normal Tipton's

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character, perhaps.

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No, all of the characters that we meet in episode one have

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analogues in crew members of the Argo.

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And there's different lists of crew members of the Argo. and the

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Argonauts are a sort of Avengers assemble things, you know, where

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a lot of heroes from other stories all come together.

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So you've got Jason, is Jackson, Herrick, Herrick, Herrick.

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Tala is Atalanta.

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She doesn't travel on board the Argo in Apollonius because Jason

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won't let there be a woman on board, but she's in it in some

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ways.

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They only sprain their ankles.

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Orphus Orpheus?

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Could that be a metaphor for Williams taking over from Philip

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Hinchcliffe, because Williams will let there be a woman on board.

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Yes, for change.

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So, and okay, so it's terrible, but, you know.

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Sorry, Authors Orpheus, which is why he has a ray which placidizes

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people.

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Exactly. that's right He famously calms warlike people like

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Leila.

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That is a lovely, lovely scene at the beginning with...

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His name is Or, and the doctor snaps Leila out of it by telling

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her what a horrible person she is.

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I hate that scene and then she turns into a petulant child who's

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sulking and wants to attack someone because like her dignity's

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been taken away or something.

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It goes absolutely nowhere.

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We don't see that.

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It's more Baker and Martin stuff.

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And we're talking Tom Baker.

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It's actually Tom is, you know, I used to said it the other week

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for someone who hasn't been in the show this long.

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He's really become a petulant oligarch, like so many of our Tory

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leaders on both sides of, you know, both Britain and Australia.

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He's really awful to his companion.

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And I really wish someone had had enough backbone to just pull him

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up and say, Tom, this is going to look terrible.

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Yeah, be nice.

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It doesn't work.

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See, I don't think he treats Lever too badly in this one.

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Because when he's giving her that speech or if, you know, you're

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grumpy in this and bad temper too.

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He's not doing it in a mean sort of way.

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He's actually doing it to counteract the effect someone else has

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had on it to change a personality.

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You know, he's saying, yes, you're grumpy and this and bad

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tempered too.

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I'm giving, you know, I'm giving that back to you because it's

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just been taken away.

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Yeah, he doesn't try and snap Herrick out of it.

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Who cares about Herrick?

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No, it's like, hold on, you've just done something to my friend.

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What's the point of that?

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Is it just a chew up running time?

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Oh, of course.

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It's a Bob Baker, Dave Marks.

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I think it's a joke about I'm glad you mentioned Herrick.

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I think it's a joke about Alan Lake.

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Alan Lake, as I've mentioned before, it wasn't getting work, even

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though he's considered such a brilliant actor.

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People thought he was great.

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Graham Williams has talked about him as being a brilliant.

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Tom loved him.

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They got on very well together, even.

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He fights with absolutely everyone on set.

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He was a terrible alcoholic.

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He was married to Diana Dawes.

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Still at this point.

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They called her the answer to Marilyn Monroe in Britain, but she

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was actually before Monroe.

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And nobody had asked the question.

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Yeah, and she and a really big star, probably Britain's biggest

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paid platinum blonde, certainly biggest paid star of the 50s and

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60s.

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They were also notorious for their, I can't put it in any other

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wave except in the Greek orgies at home.

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Alan Lake would organise them.

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There was a room with huge circular bedroom they had with, this is

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all documented with a mirror ceiling that was a two-way mirror, and

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they'd all sit above, and Bob Monkhouse was a victim to this.

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A comedian.

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It's actually where they filmed that scene from Russia with love

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with the camera behind it.

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That's exactly that.

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The camera behind the bed.

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That's right.

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If only they'd had the same cast.

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And it got to the point, though.

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She became a big woman and I love her for that as well.

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And she would just go around making scones for people while they'd

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be enjoying these orgies.

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So, son, Jason, um...

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Very Roman.

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The son Jason had a terrible time with alcohol and drug

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dependency.

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He's our age, and he's only really just come out of it in the last

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few years and written a book about growing up with these

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abominable parents, but he also said they're immensely talented

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and very clever, but they just had absolutely no link to other

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people.

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And I think now we're back to the script of underworld.

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Well...

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Funny you should say that because we have a circling obelisk above

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us.

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You've got to do something about the see-through finish on the

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underside of that thing.

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It's a two way mirror.

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All right, I came into disguise wanting to defend the script

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against the special effects.

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Or I wanted to defend the acting against the script against

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something.

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I don't know.

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But as this went on, I just got more and more despondent.

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I don't think there is a script there.

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I think the script is the last thing in the bottom cupboard that

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Robert Holmes left, and Anthony Reed has just got it and gone, We

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have to put something on.

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I just would rather watch Planet of the Daleks twice in a row

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nonstop, than ever have to watch this again.

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I actually think this is one of the worst stories in the history

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of Doctor Who, and it's really galling that this story has the

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highest rated episode of the season.

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I mean, no wonder Doctor Who's had such a bad reputation in the

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late 1970s for crap special effects and performances.

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I've just been texted by my dear friend, Rodan.

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She's having a problem with her induction barriers.

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Oh, the poor woman.

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I will have to go and give her some help.

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Yeah, Todd's right.

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It's the usual bricolage effect of the Baker Martin thing.

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All these ideas.

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Let's throw every idea we can, and, oh, look how they've fallen

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out on the floor.

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It's like going through your Lego box and putting something new

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together.

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But it's also, you know, this thing where you do a sci fi take on

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a legend.

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And, you know, in a way...

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My concept legend.

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Star Wars does that as well.

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Well, Foundation does it.

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It actually, sorry, when you were talking about high concept stuff

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the 1st episode really works, because it touches on Doc Smith and

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the Lensman, and it touches on foundation, and kids were reading

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more in those days, we didn't have as much to watch.

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So the big concept, SF novels, this is integrating with that and

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throwing up a lot of expectation because of that.

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But what I mean is like taking a myth and allegorising it, you

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know, we get it in Horns of Nimon in a couple of years time.

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And so what do you do, what do you have?

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And it becomes a bit of a thing in science fiction of this time.

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Star Wars is a sort of example where you take mythic elements or

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even just whole myths. and then reinterpret them wholesale as

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science fiction.

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And so this is, as we said, taking the journey of the Argo.

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But what it takes is really fun, romantic, mythic ideas.

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So you've got a golden fleece hanging from a tree at the end of

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the world, guarded by a dragon, and you turn the golden fleece

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into...

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A couple of plumbing rolls. cylinders.

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You turn the tree into some crummy CSO corridors, and you turn the

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dragon into, you know, a few sparks that, you know, delay the

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doctor and Leila for about maybe 15 seconds of screen time.

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And so the whole thing is just vastly, vastly less interesting

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than the source material.

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Again, we come down to the transposition from the really

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interesting ideas and not, oh, okay, it's not the script we just

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had, but it shouldn't be that bad to a visual.

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Oh, hang on.

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No, it's the opposite.

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Visually, it looked really good to start with.

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What's going horribly wrong here?

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You talked about Doc Smith, you know, Lens Smith, that sort of

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thing, as example.

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Yeah, big stories. and they're terrible.

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I mean, Doc Smith is shockingly bad.

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Okay, they're not that well written, I've got to admit. when

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you're 12, 13.

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One love one.

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And the concept of gorgeous foundation is fun.

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Yeah, but compared to this, do you know what I mean?

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This has no stakes, no action.

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I've got my notes here.

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And I've just written the words dull, dull, dull, dull, dull for

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part. for part two.

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I've just got sex comedy romp.

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Rod has.

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When the R1C went into the pile of crap, I felt that was an

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analogy.

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No, he's right.

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He really is...

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I mean, this is just really terribly boring and terribly dull.

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And, like, you've got villains, and the villains used to wear bags

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on their heads.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Oh, and yes, all of the episodes are underrunning.

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And so...

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By an enormous...

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And so I'm starting to notice the baghead villains wandering

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through the corridors.

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In the same short time over and over again.

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And like I'm taking audio notes as I'm watching it and I hear

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myself like, oh, my God, it's another scene of that surveillance

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camera.

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You know, it's it's slow.

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It's got nothing going for it. impoverished, isn't it?

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I mean, Tom, the thing that it sustains it is that Tom is so

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cranky about all of that, that the energy that he's just got

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battered up, and this is why the scenes with he and Alan Lake are

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great for me.

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There's not enough of them.

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It should have been the Herrick and Tom show.

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It's funny that we keep talking about Star Wars because Star Wars

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in the UK was released between the Sunmakers and Underworld being

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broadcast because Sunmakers was broadcast just before Christmas

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this was broadcast just after Christmas.

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So, you know, there's no sort of Star Wars influence here, as you

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were saying earlier, Richard, it's more of a Jerry Anderson

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influence.

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But it's interesting that Doctor Who is kind of copying. what

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other sci-fi is doing, and that is the filmation and animated sci

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fi series from America, which were constantly recycling shots of

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people running along and having outlines of what happened.

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I am thinking Star Trek, the animated series.

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I'm thinking Planet of the Apes, the most boring cartoon series

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ever.

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It's so unfortunate, and I think the big problem is...

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No disagreement to you.

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I'm not even going to say problematic.

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It's just really terrible Tyresome.

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It's tiresome. problematic.

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It doesn't work very well with us tropes.

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But I think I'm getting drunk on all of them.

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The biggest problem is you can't even lay it at the feet of Baker

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and Martin.

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It's a decision made by the production team.

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The production team decide to have all the caves on CSO, so they

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don't have to go out on location and shoot caves.

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They don't have to build full-size cage sets.

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They can save some budget that way.

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And it's kind of like, you know what?

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If you're gonna do that, okay, but accept the fact that the CSO is

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limited.

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And what you do is you have a bloody cracker script, so the CSO

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doesn't matter.

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And this script, And the invisible enemy are indicative of that

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thing Todd has been saying all the way through season 14, which is

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Bob Baker and Dave Martin write 2 good episodes of Doctor Who a

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year, and in this year they write eight.

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I don't think they managed 2 good episodes.

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What are you talking about?

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I mean, this is, you know, and the CSO is bad.

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So you'll have characters running through shot with, you know, bits

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of them don't...

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Well, they run up the side of a wall.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Or, you know, they seem to be turning a corner into a corridor, but

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it just looks like they're walking out through the wall.

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It's a brave choice.

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It's a brave choice, but it's not the worst thing. stupid choice.

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It is bad.

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It's really, really bad.

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It's not the great pop art comic books there, so we got in Terror

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of the Autons, which was really fun, or even the mutants.

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And you know, I'm no fan of that story, but I would much prefer to

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watch the mutants over this.

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They were arresting visuals, though, CSOs.

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They were the colourful...

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They were gorgeous.

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And they were very much of the idiom of the time.

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It felt like the top of the pops.

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It felt like very glam.

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But there was also that sense of transcendence.

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And that sense of genuine other reality.

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Whereas this is shoddy and dull and everything's brown and there's

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really...

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Everything's brown.

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I think we've got a title.

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Come to think of it, why isn't it psychedelic?

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Why does it have to be brown?

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If it's going to be brown.

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Just put it in a real cage.

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I would have loved.

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Thank you.

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I would have loved a glittering.

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This is the fact we're talking about last time of Doctor Who has

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always was always, and the reason we loved it in the early days

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was that it thought, like, in fact, the Avengers stories that

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Brendan's talked about, it thought beyond and above itself, and it

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thought to the future.

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It was never in and of its time.

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It was kind of just at the fringe of now and then what else?

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I'm always promulgating.

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Now, it seems to be recidivist.

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It's actually looking...

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What do you reckon?

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Yeah, the where's the imagination?

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There's some great ideas.

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But I'm not getting them conceived into visual.

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This should have been a glittering space.

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The only thing that's kind of engaging and even as a child is the

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null gravity point where they're floating down.

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And I like that because that's so bad.

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I like it because Tom looks completely disinterested in the actual

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area, which says, yeah, of course.

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This is just a normal effect effect of being at a null point

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scientifically, it almost works.

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You know, you are actually at the centre, it's the centre.

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No, it's another, it's another planet Voga where we've got no idea

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what gravity is and how it works.

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But the dismissal of Tom and the, yes, but it's kind of bloody in

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general.

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What can I tell you?

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And as a child, we loved those moments of other.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That is this stories.

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We're heading into the land of dreams and fantasies, Leila. you

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know, it's it's kind of the redeeming thing.

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Like you say, it's lack of imagination.

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We're having a cave.

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Let's make it brown.

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Yeah, that would be great if you didn't have almost everyone else

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in the story wearing brown.

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The doctor's wearing brown.

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Leila's wearing brown.

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The miners are wearing brown.

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It's minors again.

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The overseas?

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It's 1977, if you remember, there was a lot of chocolate focarti

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and velveteen on your mum's modular sofa.

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There was.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We haven't even got to the quarry tiles yet, have we?

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We've got characters in spacesuits.

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So the spacesuits have to be reflective.

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Not the best idea.

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00:21:21.059 --> 00:21:23.759
When you're doing CSO.

506
00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:27.240
It's really just.

507
00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:29.519
You can feel that it's rushed and you can feel that Williams is

508
00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:31.559
kind of just holding on there.

509
00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:34.740
But all points to him because we know this was not going to get

510
00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:35.160
produced.

511
00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:38.339
The directive was, it's okay. you can have this time off the

512
00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:40.619
season because you don't have the money to do it.

513
00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:43.319
But then they would have lost that same, because this is how the

514
00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:43.980
BBC would.

515
00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:46.680
They would have lost that budget for the next year.

516
00:21:46.740 --> 00:21:48.240
So they had to do it.

517
00:21:48.299 --> 00:21:51.000
Well, we'll talk more about that next week as well with the

518
00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.940
invasion of time because it continued to press on and push in

519
00:21:53.940 --> 00:21:54.119
there.

520
00:21:54.180 --> 00:21:57.359
Look, I know they were up against it in terms of time, but I think

521
00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:03.299
a few extra hours at the pre-production stage of just if someone

522
00:22:03.299 --> 00:22:05.220
had said, is that the best we can do?

523
00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:08.880
Is that the best we can do within the fact that we need to do this

524
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.579
all within the studio, within the fact that we need to do this all

525
00:22:11.579 --> 00:22:12.599
against green screen?

526
00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:14.220
Still think about...

527
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:16.799
Brown caves.

528
00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:18.420
Okay, how about blue caves?

529
00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:20.579
Because we're keying them in.

530
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:21.420
How about green caves?

531
00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:23.700
Because we're keying them in against green and that'll keep the

532
00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:24.359
lighting right.

533
00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:27.359
You seem to have forgotten that minerals can also be highly

534
00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:27.900
colourful.

535
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:28.440
Yeah.

536
00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.079
You know, I didn't think I was so angry about the story, but I

537
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:36.000
really am because it could have been mindless and passable, but

538
00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:37.259
instead it's just mindless.

539
00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:41.700
But I really, really think that the production problems, although

540
00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:42.420
they're terrible.

541
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:43.980
They're not the worst thing about it.

542
00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:45.180
The worst thing is the script.

543
00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:50.220
And it's this just continual blind spot when it comes to hiring

544
00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:52.019
Bob Baker and Dave Martin.

545
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.779
Instead of getting them to serve the tea.

546
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:59.819
You know, they're really, really, really terrible.

547
00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:04.079
And they'll continue next year to be utterly terrible until they

548
00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:04.619
break up.

549
00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:05.640
Do you know what I mean?

550
00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:08.759
That was an acrimonious divorce, wasn't it?

551
00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:13.619
But the levels of sort of self-hatred in that writer's room. you

552
00:23:13.619 --> 00:23:14.220
know what I mean?

553
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:16.799
We're responsible for the hand of fear.

554
00:23:16.859 --> 00:23:19.740
Oh, darling, it's fine. do it, you know.

555
00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.339
Let's talk villains.

556
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:28.079
We have mentioned that the villains just are guys with bags on

557
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:28.619
their heads.

558
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.380
They have names, apparently, but I can't remember any of them.

559
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.180
What are they trying to do?

560
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:33.660
don't know.

561
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.019
They're trying to protect the shiny things.

562
00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:38.519
The race banks.

563
00:23:38.579 --> 00:23:41.460
I don't even know if they're race banks now.

564
00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:41.880
Yeah.

565
00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:47.099
It's just, you've got Oracle who I'm pretty sure was lifted for an

566
00:23:47.099 --> 00:23:51.720
episode of Futurama, as the Femputer, as played by BR.

567
00:23:51.779 --> 00:23:52.980
No, no, the Arthur.

568
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:54.000
Yes, that's right.

569
00:23:54.059 --> 00:23:56.700
Sigourney Weaver plays the pron of the expression, yeah.

570
00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:57.299
Yeah, that's right.

571
00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:58.680
Yeah, you've got this.

572
00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:03.299
Admittedly, you know, female computer, female sentient computer.

573
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.279
You don't see that very often in sci-fi.

574
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:06.420
Well, not since last year.

575
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.880
Not since last year when it was Pamela Sailor.

576
00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:12.720
Yeah, and let's just think of what a just pathetic, dismal retread

577
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:16.440
that computer is of the wonderful computer the previous year.

578
00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:19.019
And does everything sort of on one level?

579
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:20.700
in the face of evil.

580
00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:23.160
Yeah, no, it's terrible.

581
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:24.119
And then what's its plan?

582
00:24:24.180 --> 00:24:27.480
It duplicates, so we're here to get the race banks. you know, as

583
00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:31.619
if we care and and you know, I think you get a sword and you kind

584
00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:36.480
of prize the race banks out of the computer and and head off with

585
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.519
them, but really they're bombs or something.

586
00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:38.940
Yeah.

587
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:42.779
And then when they give them the bombs back.

588
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:47.759
The baghead guys are such obtuse idiots that they refuse.

589
00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:50.519
Why are they wearing bags on their head?

590
00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:52.140
Like, it's crazy.

591
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:53.460
You can't tell who's talking?

592
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:54.779
You don't care.

593
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:58.200
They all have names, I think, in the script, but you can't tell

594
00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.420
them apart and they have no characters.

595
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:01.799
It's not like Rego.

596
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:03.359
They're Daleks, isn't it?

597
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:04.920
There's Rask.

598
00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:09.599
Tarn, Klimpt, Unk, and Luck.

599
00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:10.980
Didn't they?

600
00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:12.779
Weren't they all drivers in the wacky roses?

601
00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:18.599
Nathan, I have waited. over 50 episodes to say this to you.

602
00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.259
I don't know who any of those people are.

603
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.940
And there is, of course, also Norman Tipton.

604
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.200
As Arctics.

605
00:25:28.259 --> 00:25:29.819
As an Edas.

606
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.279
He's Arctics in Blake 7, although they're essentially the same

607
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:32.579
character.

608
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.400
Well, I actually think he's much worse in this than he's in

609
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:36.059
Blake's.

610
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:37.079
Junior Eric Idol.

611
00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:41.220
Yeah, he's got something going for him in the Blake 7 episodes, is

612
00:25:41.220 --> 00:25:41.460
it?

613
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.859
on 2 very early Blake 7 episodes.

614
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:48.000
But here he's just utterly wet and pathetic and then his father

615
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.839
who, you know, they're going to sacrifice and it's just, I think

616
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.900
that the sacrifice scene is something that's always really

617
00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:56.339
terrible in Doctor Who.

618
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.460
It's just lazy and kind of something that we've done a

619
00:25:59.460 --> 00:26:01.259
100000000000 times before.

620
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:06.480
But here, who should be at stake, but Edas' old father, just to up

621
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:11.700
the stakes and make everyone at home, not give a toss about what's

622
00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:12.119
going on.

623
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:16.740
We wouldn't see such care for the audience again until the scene

624
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:19.740
in the twin dilemma where someone's stolen some vegetables.

625
00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:21.900
Oh, God.

626
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:24.599
Why are we watching this show?

627
00:26:24.660 --> 00:26:26.279
Oh, it's lovely.

628
00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:27.660
Can we just do Blake 7 now, please?

629
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.420
I'm just going to make a cup of tea, listener, if you're

630
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:30.839
wondering.

631
00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:33.299
I'm thinking of drinking myself to death.

632
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.599
You can do that on tea too if you watch this.

633
00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:39.480
There are some great moments in this, and I've got to say, thinking

634
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:41.880
back to my 12-year-old self. really enjoyed it.

635
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:42.660
Episode one.

636
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:44.819
Sorry, I really enjoyed episode one and episode four.

637
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:48.779
You know, I think it's got almost nothing at all going forward at

638
00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:49.079
all.

639
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:51.420
It's gone to a point where you've got, if you have to ask your

640
00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:52.559
inner child what he thinks.

641
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.119
Yeah.

642
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:55.559
There was one good bit.

643
00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:56.759
Okay.

644
00:26:56.819 --> 00:26:57.900
One good bit.

645
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:05.039
It's when the uh, one C is full of the, are they called trogs?

646
00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:06.660
Yeah, they actually are called.

647
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:08.339
Yeah, troglodytes, trogs.

648
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.559
So they're called...

649
00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:14.579
They're the descendants of the original minions, and they're all

650
00:27:14.579 --> 00:27:16.799
you know, kind of...

651
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.740
They're very, very sensitively acted.

652
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:21.420
They're all cluttering up the pilots.

653
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.160
They all get to get shouted at by unloads.

654
00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:25.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a very highlight for all of them, really.

655
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.220
So they're all cluttering up the place and Jackson wants to get

656
00:27:29.220 --> 00:27:29.759
rid of them.

657
00:27:29.819 --> 00:27:34.019
And the doctor makes the point that, you know, the stupid cylinder

658
00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:37.500
things are, you know, the minion race banks.

659
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.559
But these, these are the actual descendants of the minions, you

660
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.799
know, these, you're here to get people not to get a stupid science

661
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:44.640
fiction thing.

662
00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:49.799
And that nearly, nearly qualifies as a worthwhile thing to do in

663
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:50.460
the story.

664
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:52.319
But it is all over quite quickly.

665
00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:54.299
Yeah, they scrub over typically.

666
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.579
And it's not Tom's fault that it's scrubbed over too quickly.

667
00:27:58.019 --> 00:28:01.500
For me, the best thing about this story is episode one.

668
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:03.660
I think episode one is actually perfectly possible.

669
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:05.039
So I find it really fun.

670
00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:07.559
I've been to a Lego version of it the year it came out.

671
00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:10.440
It's for bored people, one of whom is trying to kill themselves.

672
00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:11.460
Do you know what I mean?

673
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:12.480
Like it's...

674
00:28:12.539 --> 00:28:14.279
They were all doped out anyway.

675
00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:19.740
But it's also, it's also Tom and Louise realising they've got 3

676
00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:21.660
pretty crap weeks up ahead.

677
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.799
But still acting and giving performances.

678
00:28:25.859 --> 00:28:31.500
You know, Tom's not bored in those scenes. which would become a

679
00:28:31.500 --> 00:28:33.660
thing he would do later when he didn't like a script.

680
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.539
It all just goes rapidly downhill.

681
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.220
And amazingly, I'm going to be Todd here.

682
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.759
Part 4 gets the highest rating of any episode this season with

683
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:48.420
11.70000 viewers, over 20000000 more than episode three.

684
00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:51.240
What was happening that week?

685
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:53.460
It was raining a lot.

686
00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:55.079
It was 28th of January.

687
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.240
So it was miserable.

688
00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:58.500
Yeah, miserable.

689
00:28:58.559 --> 00:28:59.940
All the pubs and clothes.

690
00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:05.039
So is this the worst Doctor Who story since the celestial toy

691
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:05.339
maker?

692
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:09.299
I just want to say, though, as we've, if you ignore the CSO, if

693
00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:12.240
you make it beautiful, if you really like it gorgeously and you've

694
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:13.619
got it.

695
00:29:13.619 --> 00:29:15.779
Then it would be the worst story of all time.

696
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.839
Yeah, at least of the 70s.

697
00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:20.819
I think it's the worst story of the 70s.

698
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.839
It really proves my point that great design will propel a story to

699
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:28.319
the forefront and make it work, but without a story.

700
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.500
Yeah, it's not like Sunmakers last week.

701
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:35.220
It was a lattish and, you know, expensive looking production, but

702
00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:39.119
it was at least written by someone who had the slightest clue of

703
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.940
what might be entertaining to watch on television.

704
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:46.140
But this, you know, there's not that much CSO in it.

705
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:47.940
It really... well yeah, there is.

706
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:53.700
But it just really is truly terrible by 2 writers who long since

707
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:57.240
should have retired to raise begonias, I think.

708
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.680
Well, we've napped the Golden Fleece, and we're popping back off

709
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.440
to paint the rest of the TARDIS now as we leave Underworld behind

710
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.180
us with a very bad taste in our mouth.

711
00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:25.619
We will be back next week to discuss Graham Williams' first end of

712
00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:28.680
season extravaganza, the invasion of time.

713
00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:32.220
Please find us online at FlightthroughEntirety.com, flight through

714
00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:36.359
entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter.

715
00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:40.200
Those of you who are fans of Skyfalls and we don't mean rocks

716
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:40.859
falling on your head.

717
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.000
Please don't forget we have several James Bond commentaries

718
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.140
available on Bondfinger.com covering now most of the Sean Connery

719
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:49.500
era.

720
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.640
So that's Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and at

721
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:55.680
Bondfingercast on Twitter.

722
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:59.460
Until next time, may all your Skyfalls not include Daniel Craig

723
00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:01.980
saying he'd rather kill himself than play James Bond again.

724
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:03.539
Thank you very much and good night.

725
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:04.380
Good night.

726
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:05.339
Duck your heads.

727
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:09.240
That works.

728
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.299
Like your entirety with Nathan Brockenry, Brendan Jones, and

729
00:31:12.299 --> 00:31:13.019
Richard Stone.

730
00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:18.059
This episode, sophisticated psychological realism was reported on

731
00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:19.319
Sunday, the 11th of October.

732
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:22.440
The next episode will be released on November 29th.

733
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:26.640
Stay tuned for some of Nathan's live reactions as he was watching

734
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:27.720
Underworld.

735
00:31:33.779 --> 00:31:35.160
Oh, God, here goes.

736
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.019
Underworld episode one.

737
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.160
Leo is operating the TARDIS controls for some reason.

738
00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:42.299
How is that working?

739
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.720
Model shots are good, and so is the nebula effect.

740
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:47.940
It's the set's all right.

741
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.519
You know, everyone's very boring though.

742
00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:51.660
All right, after all.

743
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.680
For once, there's a woman on board the ship, but everyone's so

744
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:57.420
boring, no one cares.

745
00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:58.920
So you're going.

746
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:04.200
Well, that was really just a massively uninteresting episode.

747
00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:05.940
Like really nothing at all happened.

748
00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:09.359
It's underworld part two.

749
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.119
Oh, here's these people running through the crappy CSO corridors.

750
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:16.019
This is dismal.

751
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:18.420
So who's Idmon?

752
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:24.119
These people with their bags on their heads are very boring.

753
00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:25.319
What the hell?

754
00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:26.700
Are they the seers?

755
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.940
They just delivery is terrible.

756
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.640
The door massively slow.

757
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:36.240
Just they're just reusing shots.

758
00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:37.799
It's so crap.

759
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:41.279
Another shot of that surveillance camera.

760
00:32:41.339 --> 00:32:42.599
What's going on?

761
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:43.920
We're just wandering around.

762
00:32:43.980 --> 00:32:44.819
Do something.

763
00:32:45.299 --> 00:32:48.000
God, it's also undramatic.

764
00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:51.480
Whatever blows can be sucked.

765
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.720
Just a massively undramatic and uninteresting playhanger to a

766
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.220
really uninteresting episode.

767
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.559
What's the point of this?

768
00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:07.380
It's really not the CSO, that's the most offensive thing, although

769
00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:08.279
that's often terrible.

770
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.559
It's just that this is so boring.

771
00:33:10.619 --> 00:33:12.299
What the hell is the point of it?

772
00:33:12.299 --> 00:33:16.019
There doesn't seem to be anything interesting going on at all

773
00:33:16.019 --> 00:33:16.859
now.

774
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:18.599
That was a very dull episode.

775
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:25.980
All right, it's underworld episode three.

776
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:31.079
I've waited a week or more between watching because I couldn't

777
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:32.640
bear to look at it, but here it goes.

778
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.660
Horribly undramatic cliffhanger and here it is reversed.

779
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.180
But just by reversing the video, it's very easy.

780
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.740
And the villains don't even seem to have names or any

781
00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:45.059
characteristics at all.

782
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:46.799
They're just incredibly boring.

783
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:52.799
I must say these 32nd scenes of canine going down CSO tunnels are

784
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:53.579
very boring.

785
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.500
It's hard to know why they're included.

786
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.940
One of the seers, the main guy has an incredible voice, but those

787
00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:03.119
hats, the facemasks are just ridiculous.

788
00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:04.079
What's the point of them?

789
00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:08.280
This fight scene with the escaping slaves is just incredibly

790
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:09.539
pointless and boring.

791
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.079
People running around shooting one another. is just not very

792
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:13.619
interesting.

793
00:34:14.579 --> 00:34:19.019
And Herrick just sacrifices himself for absolutely no reason.

794
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:21.719
There's nothing.

795
00:34:21.780 --> 00:34:22.920
Oh, there's a speaking woman.

796
00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:26.639
Oh, now we're doing the Trojan horse.

797
00:34:26.699 --> 00:34:27.900
Blah, blah, blah.

798
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:28.800
What are they?

799
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.860
The seers.

800
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.719
They've just got metal heads.

801
00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:34.679
What are they?

802
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:35.579
They've evolved?

803
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:36.179
What is that?

804
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:40.440
Oh, and apparently the doctor and leader are about to be crushed

805
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.619
because he fell by accident or something, but it's all shot very

806
00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:46.320
undramatically and it's not quite clear what's going on.

807
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:51.119
The woman who speaks is called Naya for some reason.

808
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:56.940
All right, now it's underworld, part four, which means that

809
00:34:56.940 --> 00:35:01.500
there's not very much left to go, and I'm anticipating a massively

810
00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:03.119
long reprise, which will be nice.

811
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.179
The more shooting with guns.

812
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.840
Oh my god, I've got nothing to say about this.

813
00:35:09.900 --> 00:35:11.340
This is so incredibly dull.

814
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:17.099
And you can just prize the race banks out of their box with a

815
00:35:17.099 --> 00:35:18.179
sword, can you?

816
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:18.780
That's amazing.

817
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:20.880
Oh, look, there's a child, that rarely happens.

818
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:26.280
I mean, it is good that the minions are people, like what they

819
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.400
actually get is people rather than gold cylinders.

820
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:31.260
Like that's something.

821
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:32.219
Oh, dear.

822
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.340
The modern work isn't good.

823
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.840
Yeah, it took the Oracle a while to realise they were bombs.

824
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.139
Oh, there's some decent model work there.

825
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.639
Like episode one.

826
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:45.840
They're not so bad.

827
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:49.380
Oh, dear.

828
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:50.820
Well, that was terrible.

829
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.980
So, Norman Stewart.

830
00:35:53.099 --> 00:35:55.260
Wait, he never directed again or before, I think.