WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 16:02:48 1 00:00:28.739 --> 00:00:33.899 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety 2 00:00:33.899 --> 00:00:37.320 the only Doctor Who podcast which never suffers from scringes, no 3 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:38.579 matter how cold it may be. 4 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:39.179 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:40.020 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:41.640 And I'm Romana Voltana. 7 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:43.200 Or Todd. 8 00:00:43.259 --> 00:00:45.719 We might just have to call you Fred. 9 00:00:45.780 --> 00:00:48.060 We are heading into the key to time season now. 10 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:51.659 Robert Holmes is back on writing duties for the Rebos operation. 11 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.799 Are you sure you pronounce that correctly, Brendan? 12 00:00:58.859 --> 00:01:00.539 No, so I went for both in one. 13 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.299 I started saying ribos, and then I switched to Reebos. 14 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.640 Shall we just call it rhubois? 15 00:01:05.700 --> 00:01:06.840 Like the tea? 16 00:01:06.900 --> 00:01:08.459 Is that how you pronounce that? 17 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:12.299 We have Graham Williams' 1st full season that he's commissioned 18 00:01:12.299 --> 00:01:13.439 from start to finish. 19 00:01:13.500 --> 00:01:16.980 And straight away, it's very different from other seasons because 20 00:01:16.980 --> 00:01:19.920 the doctor is sent on a mission by the White Guardian. 21 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:24.180 So, it's been observed before that the doctor gradually outgrows 22 00:01:24.180 --> 00:01:25.560 his bosses. 23 00:01:25.620 --> 00:01:29.760 So, you know, he works for unit and he's outgrown unit, and he has 24 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.819 that speech at the beginning of Pyramids of Mars, where he 25 00:01:32.819 --> 00:01:35.640 declares that he's not interested in sort of running around after 26 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:36.359 them anymore. 27 00:01:36.420 --> 00:01:40.260 And then the time lords, and he's now been to the time lords 28 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:44.459 planet, and they've been completely shorn of mystery, and so he's 29 00:01:44.459 --> 00:01:45.299 outgrown them. 30 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:48.420 And so he's got a new set of bosses, the Guardians. 31 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:49.859 What do you think of them? 32 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.640 I've got to say, the 1st scene with Cyril Luckam sort of sitting 33 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.900 in the city in the wicker chair on the kind of top of the pops 34 00:01:57.900 --> 00:01:59.099 bush landscape. 35 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:00.299 Uh, he's great. 36 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.120 I really, really like him. 37 00:02:03.180 --> 00:02:09.180 And the wonderful thing is, he has so much menace. just in his 38 00:02:09.180 --> 00:02:11.939 performance, like that whole thing of, you know, what will happen 39 00:02:11.939 --> 00:02:13.259 to me if I refuse nothing at all. 40 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:14.580 Ever. 41 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:19.259 No, he's just the right mix of camp and threatening. 42 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:24.719 What I find most interesting is the whole genesis of the idea of 43 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:25.740 the Guardians. 44 00:02:25.740 --> 00:02:30.240 Graham Williams, coming into Doctor Who was a producer, felt that 45 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.319 it was very irresponsible to have a hero who did not have some 46 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:40.259 kind of heroic mission to accomplish and had no responsibility. 47 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.479 You know, could just run around doing whatever they liked and 48 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:43.500 weren't answerable to anyone. 49 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:47.460 So he was actually going to try to have some sort of overarching 50 00:02:47.460 --> 00:02:50.460 responsibility for the doctor in his 1st season, but they were so 51 00:02:50.460 --> 00:02:53.460 up against it as we discussed a few weeks ago with a horror of 52 00:02:53.460 --> 00:02:56.759 fang rock being a replacement script and underworld and the 53 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:57.539 invasion of time. 54 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:01.800 Oh, God, that he didn't have time to implement it for that, but he 55 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.539 decided to implement it for this season. 56 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.360 So this is part of his pitch to become producer. 57 00:03:06.419 --> 00:03:07.439 Yeah, yeah. 58 00:03:07.500 --> 00:03:08.699 Give the doctor a mission. 59 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:11.759 But it's interesting, like you've got these guardians and the key 60 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:14.819 to time, and I always think about, well, then, well, who created 61 00:03:14.819 --> 00:03:18.120 the key to time, and is it just some little game that they like to 62 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:19.979 play between themselves, or is there somebody above them? 63 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:22.500 Yeah, the whole I think the whole thing's a bit stupid. 64 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:26.939 I mean, the Armageddon factor calls it Guardian technology, the 65 00:03:26.939 --> 00:03:27.539 key to time. 66 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:29.280 So it's something that the Guardians created. 67 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.860 But to keep themselves in check. 68 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:32.939 Well, I suppose. 69 00:03:32.939 --> 00:03:34.319 It is very strange. 70 00:03:34.379 --> 00:03:38.039 And certainly the fake out in that beginning scene is that it's 71 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:39.539 God. don't you think? 72 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:40.860 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 73 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:41.639 It's meant to be God. 74 00:03:41.699 --> 00:03:45.840 God, and God is now calling on the doctor to do a mission for him 75 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.139 and there's, you know, the heavenly light flooding in and organ 76 00:03:49.139 --> 00:03:50.699 music and that kind of thing. 77 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:56.280 It's the scene that Holmes has now done twice before, where the 78 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:57.840 doctor is briefed on his mission. 79 00:03:57.840 --> 00:03:59.400 Previously, it's been the Time Lord. 80 00:03:59.460 --> 00:04:03.060 So in Terror of the Autons, and then again, in Genesis of the 81 00:04:03.060 --> 00:04:05.879 Daleks, which, you know, Holmes was script editing. 82 00:04:05.939 --> 00:04:08.219 You know, we get a big info dump. 83 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:09.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 84 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:10.680 And the doctor gets sent on a mission. 85 00:04:10.740 --> 00:04:14.580 And the mission is kind of crummy, I think. 86 00:04:15.180 --> 00:04:16.560 Really? 87 00:04:16.620 --> 00:04:20.040 We will talk about it as we go along, I think. 88 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:24.060 And the whole thing is sort of brought up horribly short by, you 89 00:04:24.060 --> 00:04:26.459 know, a disastrous final story to the season. 90 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:30.839 And a massive rejection of the whole idea of going on a mission 91 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.180 the very, very last scene of the season is the doctor. 92 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:34.439 Well, we're getting ahead of ourselves. 93 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:35.699 We are getting ahead of ourselves. 94 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:39.360 But there is a very, very definite rejection of the whole idea of 95 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:40.560 going on a mission. 96 00:04:40.620 --> 00:04:44.819 And fortunately, the mission doesn't particularly impact the 97 00:04:44.819 --> 00:04:46.259 stories all that much. 98 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.060 No, no, it really doesn't. 99 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.019 And I want to come back to that as well when we get to season 18. 100 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.300 So if I forget, please remind me. 101 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:58.620 Also worth mentioning at this point is Ian Marty's novelisation. 102 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.339 I listened to it read by John Leeson, I believe. read by John 103 00:05:02.339 --> 00:05:03.300 Leeson, that's right. 104 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.660 I'll do anything for the podcast and it's really good. 105 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:07.800 Yeah, yeah. 106 00:05:07.860 --> 00:05:11.579 I particularly love, because, of course, the TV story just starts 107 00:05:11.579 --> 00:05:15.360 with the doctors built canine Mark 2, who, contrary to 108 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:19.259 expectations, looks exactly the same as the original one, because 109 00:05:19.259 --> 00:05:22.800 that's why we just saw a box at the end of the last story, because 110 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.160 Matt Irvin and Ian Scoon said, oh, we'll redesign it, and Graham 111 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:27.959 Williams thought they meant the outside, but they just meant the 112 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:28.439 innards. 113 00:05:28.500 --> 00:05:29.879 It is much quieter. 114 00:05:29.939 --> 00:05:33.060 It is much quieter, much, much quieter, and a bit nimbler. 115 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.579 Although there are lots of scenes where the doctor and Oman are 116 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:38.639 running and there's no way that... 117 00:05:38.699 --> 00:05:40.079 Yeah. 118 00:05:40.139 --> 00:05:43.560 There's a lot of scenes where they'll start with canine in front 119 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:45.660 of the group and they'll stop and have their conversation and then 120 00:05:45.660 --> 00:05:46.259 they'll have to run. 121 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.160 So canine only has to go about a metre and they still outrun him. 122 00:05:50.220 --> 00:05:54.480 But Ian Marty's version of that is the doctor's built canine sort 123 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:56.879 of far away from the Godsole room and then comes to the Godzilla 124 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:58.920 Room to test the dog whistle, but he doesn't realise the dog 125 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:00.120 whistles ultrasonic. 126 00:06:00.180 --> 00:06:04.139 So he almost passes out blowing into the dog whistle for 5 minutes 127 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:06.600 straight, trying to get it to make a noise and canine comes in and 128 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:08.699 essentially says, I can hear you. 129 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:10.860 And of course then... 130 00:06:11.579 --> 00:06:13.740 Mary Tam turns up. 131 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.439 What do we think of Mary? 132 00:06:16.500 --> 00:06:19.860 We've actually met Mary, which is kind of exciting, and that will 133 00:06:19.860 --> 00:06:23.519 play into the podcast from time to time, particularly when we talk 134 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:24.720 about her outfits, I think. 135 00:06:24.779 --> 00:06:29.100 I did allude to that in my introduction, calling her Romana 136 00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:29.939 Voltana. 137 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.480 That's a little convention anecdote, which I'll probably drop in 138 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:33.959 at some point. 139 00:06:34.019 --> 00:06:37.560 But, you know, she turns up with this bun hedge, which always 140 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:41.399 reminds me of Dana Troy in season one of Star Trek, The Next 141 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:44.459 Generation, and I think looks absolutely awful. 142 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.279 But then in the very next scene, the hair's down, and she's got 143 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:49.560 the brush and doing it. 144 00:06:49.620 --> 00:06:52.860 It's just so glamorous and wonderful. 145 00:06:53.459 --> 00:06:56.939 So she's a reaction to Leila, isn't she? 146 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:57.899 Yeah, Sand. 147 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:02.579 So, Leila was, there was a kind of sort of patronising subtext to 148 00:07:02.579 --> 00:07:05.399 Leila, where she was being civilised by the doctor, which was sort 149 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:06.720 of slightly offensive, really. 150 00:07:06.779 --> 00:07:11.519 But here, she's the doctor's equal, and he's better than him in 151 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:11.939 some respects. 152 00:07:12.060 --> 00:07:13.019 Yeah, absolutely. 153 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.500 Initially, they did consider bringing Rodan back. 154 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.220 Which is, you know, not surprising since, you know, there's some 155 00:07:20.220 --> 00:07:25.019 of those scenes, of course, have already discussed, that there's a 156 00:07:25.019 --> 00:07:28.079 rapport there when she's inside the Tartars, but in the invasion 157 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:28.560 of time, yeah. 158 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.839 You can see that she's a prototype remark. 159 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:32.339 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 160 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.579 In a way, I'm glad they didn't because I think Mary's much better 161 00:07:35.579 --> 00:07:38.519 but there was nothing wrong. with the performance in that I think 162 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:42.000 it is significant, and I have a lot of respect to Anthony Reid in 163 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.120 scripted, bringing back Robert Holmes to introduce a brand new 164 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:45.540 companion. 165 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:49.860 He's been there for every major introduction for the 1970s, whether 166 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:53.519 scripting it, or whether it be script editor for all the 167 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:53.879 companions. 168 00:07:53.939 --> 00:07:58.139 All of the companions had been introduced in the first story of 169 00:07:58.139 --> 00:08:01.740 the season except for Leila, but that was even billed as the first 170 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:02.459 story of the season. 171 00:08:02.579 --> 00:08:05.040 And I think it is something that's significant. 172 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:08.519 You know, in the 1970s, beginning of the season, new companion 173 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:10.319 people end, the new series does the same thing. 174 00:08:10.379 --> 00:08:13.139 The '80s breaks that, you know? 175 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.839 And that might have some sort of impact, which we discussed later 176 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:16.079 on. 177 00:08:16.139 --> 00:08:19.560 And this is the last major time that a brand new companion is 178 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:21.060 introduced by homes. 179 00:08:21.060 --> 00:08:26.279 Next year, we do get a new actress playing Romana, but it's still 180 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:27.600 Romana, you know? 181 00:08:27.660 --> 00:08:30.180 And she was introduced in the previous series. this is really the 182 00:08:30.180 --> 00:08:31.560 last time that this sort of happens. 183 00:08:31.620 --> 00:08:35.039 And, I mean, what's especially amazing about Robert Holmes writing 184 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.379 for this season is you have Robert Holmes writing for this 185 00:08:37.379 --> 00:08:37.559 season. 186 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:42.600 You have Douglas Adams, who is new to professional writing at the 187 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:43.980 point he writes the Pirate Planet. 188 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.700 You've got David Fisher and you've got... 189 00:08:47.700 --> 00:08:48.299 Oh, God. 190 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.820 Bob Baker and Dave Martin. 191 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:51.480 That's right. 192 00:08:51.539 --> 00:08:53.039 So, really? 193 00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:56.879 In terms of writers, because Bob Baker and Dave Martin, they're 194 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:58.980 essentially one writer. producing one piece. 195 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:04.559 There's 2 experienced writers this season and 2 writers completely 196 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.379 new to Doctor One completely new to television. 197 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.700 You know, it's quite, it's quite a bold season in that regard. 198 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.100 So it is very important to get homes in to kick off the whole 199 00:09:14.100 --> 00:09:16.500 thing, because we have this very new structure of the doctor 200 00:09:16.500 --> 00:09:17.159 having a mission. 201 00:09:17.220 --> 00:09:19.379 We got a new companion, and we've got a whole bunch of 202 00:09:19.379 --> 00:09:20.700 inexperienced people coming in. 203 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.000 We've got Tom, who's becoming increasingly disenfranchised with 204 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.779 the role, and we'll talk more during the Armageddon factor about 205 00:09:27.779 --> 00:09:29.940 the fact that this was almost Tom's last season. 206 00:09:30.059 --> 00:09:31.500 Was? 207 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:32.460 It was. 208 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:35.879 He was really not happy with the way things were underground 209 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:37.259 Williams, but we're getting ahead of ourselves. 210 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:38.279 Let's get back to Rebos. 211 00:09:38.340 --> 00:09:40.919 Can we talk more about Mary? 212 00:09:40.980 --> 00:09:42.059 Oh, yeah. 213 00:09:43.259 --> 00:09:43.679 Yeah, we can. 214 00:09:43.740 --> 00:09:46.860 I think we just need to rename this podcast, the Mary Tam half 215 00:09:46.860 --> 00:09:47.940 hour. frankly. 216 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:51.960 You know, Louise was a really actorly performance. 217 00:09:52.019 --> 00:09:52.860 Do you know what I mean? 218 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.279 And I thought that like her quality as a companion varied 219 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:00.120 according to who was writing, and she was very frequently written 220 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:01.559 for very badly. 221 00:10:01.620 --> 00:10:05.879 But it was a very, very, sort of strong actorly performance, and 222 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.240 sunmakers in particular, I think, you know, she really shines and 223 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:10.919 horrifying rock, and there are a few others. 224 00:10:11.580 --> 00:10:16.860 Mary's performance isn't really an acting performance, particularly 225 00:10:16.860 --> 00:10:17.159 I think. 226 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:23.700 And, and, you know, it's long being said that Tom is a performer 227 00:10:23.700 --> 00:10:26.340 rather than an actor, and he's compelling. 228 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.679 Like there's that's no slight to Tom. 229 00:10:28.740 --> 00:10:32.220 He's, you know, he lights up the screen, you know, and 230 00:10:32.220 --> 00:10:35.820 relentlessly plays everyone else off the screen when he's there. 231 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.879 I think Mary's kind of responding to that. 232 00:10:38.940 --> 00:10:42.240 I gather she is actually a good actor, but there's not really much 233 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:46.080 evidence of that in the stories themselves. 234 00:10:46.139 --> 00:10:51.480 And so what she tends to bring is a sort of ironic distance to the 235 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:52.259 whole proceeding. 236 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:53.100 Yeah, yeah. 237 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:55.679 I've always viewed it as, and unlike the 2 of you, I never had the 238 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:59.039 pleasure of meeting Mary Tam, but I've always felt like seeing her 239 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:00.539 in interviews and whatnot. 240 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:02.039 Mary Tam is not playing Romana. 241 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:05.519 Mary Tam is playing Mary Tam and Romana becomes Mary Tam because 242 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:07.200 of Mary Tam's force of will. 243 00:11:07.259 --> 00:11:10.559 You know, she's always reminded me a bit of Mary Tyler Moore in 244 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:13.320 that way, who brought a lot of herself to her characters. 245 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.320 Yeah, I think we're just seeing Mary Tam on screen, but I don't 246 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:17.100 have a problem with that. 247 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:19.320 No, no, because she's so fun to watch. 248 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:23.279 She's wonderful and that's something that this season has, is that 249 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:27.960 it is just incredibly fun up until nearly the last moment. 250 00:11:28.019 --> 00:11:32.519 Well, even so, I think, I think Mary and Tom are the 2 who keep it 251 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:33.000 kicking along. 252 00:11:33.059 --> 00:11:37.500 Yeah, even when it's struggling, you know, their rapport is just 253 00:11:37.500 --> 00:11:37.919 wonderful. 254 00:11:37.980 --> 00:11:40.799 I just I just love her throughout this entire thing. 255 00:11:40.860 --> 00:11:45.360 I was really, really surprised at how much I actually adore the 256 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:46.860 performance that she gives. 257 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:48.659 It is really enjoyable, isn't it? 258 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:51.720 She's a bit stilted in the 1st few Tartar scenes, but then once 259 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.000 she gets out into reboss itself. 260 00:11:54.059 --> 00:11:57.539 I think she, or the next recording block, she begins to loosen up 261 00:11:57.539 --> 00:11:59.279 and I think has a bit more fun with it. 262 00:11:59.340 --> 00:12:03.120 But I just love some of the stuff that Romana comes out with, it 263 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.639 just tickles my fancy, especially when she said she was willing to 264 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.379 be impressed with a doctor. 265 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:09.960 And Tom's reaction is this indeed. 266 00:12:10.019 --> 00:12:12.899 And the way he says it's like, he's never said that word or 267 00:12:12.899 --> 00:12:14.039 anything like that ever before. 268 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:15.960 I just think it's Tom Baker shining through. 269 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:19.620 Like we talked about ages ago about, you know, the doctor becoming 270 00:12:19.620 --> 00:12:22.139 poetry and pertury becoming the doctor, and I kind of feel that 271 00:12:22.139 --> 00:12:26.039 there's moments certainly now during this season, and it was 272 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:28.379 coming through last year, that that's happening to Tom a lot 273 00:12:28.379 --> 00:12:28.860 more. 274 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.559 And that one moment in the times when she says that and he 275 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:31.919 reacts. 276 00:12:31.980 --> 00:12:33.600 I just crack up every single time. 277 00:12:33.659 --> 00:12:38.100 Well, I suppose from a character point of view, you know, Sarah 278 00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:40.740 obviously looked up to the doctor greatly. 279 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:45.000 Perhaps not idolised him, but certainly would sort of stand back 280 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:46.139 and bask. 281 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.840 And she would also make apologies and concessions for him. 282 00:12:48.899 --> 00:12:51.299 Like, oh, sometimes he talks to himself because he's the only one 283 00:12:51.299 --> 00:12:52.259 who knows what he's talking about. 284 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:58.080 Leila, of course, was in awe of him because he was God to her 285 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.440 tribe, you know, and eventually she got round to the fact that 286 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.659 okay, he's not a god, but he's still very impressive. 287 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:05.279 You are a timelord. 288 00:13:05.340 --> 00:13:08.879 Yeah, she does start to take the Mick out of a bit, but still 289 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:10.259 she's really, really impressed by him. 290 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.980 So for Romana to say, I was almost ready to be impressed. 291 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:17.039 This is the 1st time in this incarnation where someone's just gone 292 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:18.419 yeah, I'm not buying it. 293 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:19.440 I'm not buying it. 294 00:13:19.500 --> 00:13:19.980 Sorry, love. 295 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:23.759 All of that hilarious sort of psychoanalysis that she's subjective 296 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:27.539 to, which is, you know, very homes, you know, Whitty Holmes 297 00:13:27.539 --> 00:13:30.480 dialogue is really, really fun and turns the tables. 298 00:13:30.539 --> 00:13:32.279 It doesn't really last. 299 00:13:32.340 --> 00:13:33.299 You know what I mean? 300 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:36.960 They do become like a great team together and they get to share 301 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.200 exposition and they get to work together and things and all of 302 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:40.919 that really works. 303 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:47.460 But I like the fact that it doesn't become nasty or narky. 304 00:13:47.580 --> 00:13:48.360 Yes, yes. 305 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.279 When it could potentially have gone down that road. 306 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:51.000 Yeah. 307 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:51.659 Yeah. 308 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:52.740 No, they're not oppositional. 309 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:53.820 They do get on quite well. 310 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:57.720 I mean, there's no real warmth or anything like that between them 311 00:13:57.720 --> 00:13:59.759 in the way that there was with Tom and Lear's. 312 00:13:59.820 --> 00:14:01.320 But that doesn't matter. 313 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:04.379 You know, I think they're all just a little bit too detached at 314 00:14:04.379 --> 00:14:05.220 this point in the program. 315 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:11.399 Yeah, there's there's a mutual, a mutual respect, I suppose. 316 00:14:11.460 --> 00:14:15.840 The comparison that Tom and Mary always made was Spencer Tracy and 317 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:16.799 Catherine Hepburn. 318 00:14:16.860 --> 00:14:18.960 And there's a there's a little bit of that. 319 00:14:19.019 --> 00:14:21.600 You know, I think we're back to one of our pert we episodes, which 320 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.100 is you're not Catherine Hepburn. 321 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:30.419 But you can still see where they are getting that idea. 322 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:32.399 I don't think they're trying to emulate it. 323 00:14:32.460 --> 00:14:36.059 I think they're just trying to go for the same pitch it at the 324 00:14:36.059 --> 00:14:37.200 same kind of level. 325 00:14:37.259 --> 00:14:40.259 Yeah, something sophisticated, a little bit oppositional. 326 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:41.399 Do you know what I mean? 327 00:14:41.460 --> 00:14:42.000 funny. 328 00:14:42.299 --> 00:14:44.220 Can I ask a question? 329 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:48.840 What did you think of this story as a kid when you 1st saw it? 330 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:52.740 I wasn't a huge fan, actually. that's your experience as well 331 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:53.399 isn't it? 332 00:14:53.460 --> 00:14:54.539 It's totally my experience. 333 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:56.759 I was like with the previous season. 334 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:58.860 There's stories that I just would forget about. 335 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:02.159 And in this, I just remembered Romana in the big white fluffy 336 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:06.960 thing, the shrivenzal, and that pit that it's in that they have to 337 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:07.559 escape from. 338 00:15:07.620 --> 00:15:11.039 I remember that shrieking woman making predictions and everything 339 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:11.519 else. 340 00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:16.799 I remember that boring guy, what's his name, Binroe, and some guy 341 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:18.240 who looked like somebody off play school. 342 00:15:18.299 --> 00:15:19.500 And that's all I really remembered. 343 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:21.419 And I just was underwhelmed by it. 344 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:24.360 It was a story that I never really thought much about and it just 345 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.580 sort of washed over me and whenever I saw it. 346 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:31.019 But now I think it's spectacular and maybe the best one of the 347 00:15:31.019 --> 00:15:31.379 season. 348 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.039 And I can see why why it's not very kid friendly because it is 349 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.159 that Bob Holmes thing where you have one kind of crummy monster 350 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:41.519 just to remind you that it's Doctor Who. you know, this week, the 351 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.700 role of the giant rat will be played by the Shrivenzaal. 352 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:48.539 But mostly it's about interactions between people. 353 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:49.139 Yeah, yeah. 354 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:50.940 But the people are all great. 355 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.179 See, I always loved this one as a child. 356 00:15:54.299 --> 00:15:56.580 This was one of my go tos. as a kid. 357 00:15:56.940 --> 00:15:59.759 He's got better taste than us, I think, clearly. 358 00:15:59.820 --> 00:16:02.340 You see, for me, the key to time season is very strange, because 359 00:16:02.340 --> 00:16:07.740 as a kid, I only had the reboss operation, the Pirate Planet, and 360 00:16:07.740 --> 00:16:08.340 Stones of Blood. 361 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:09.600 They're the best three. 362 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:12.539 The last three, I didn't see until I was about 19. 363 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.259 Right. which will become significant when we get to those. 364 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.500 But yeah, this was one that I constantly loved watching. 365 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:24.539 And the Shrivenzar didn't particularly scare me, but I didn't 366 00:16:24.539 --> 00:16:25.679 think it was particularly crap. 367 00:16:25.740 --> 00:16:27.240 I think it's much better than the giant rat. 368 00:16:27.299 --> 00:16:27.899 Oh, yeah, it is. 369 00:16:27.899 --> 00:16:31.440 You know, it helps that there's 2 operators inside it, so it 370 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:33.240 doesn't just look like someone on all 4s. 371 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:34.080 It's cute. 372 00:16:34.139 --> 00:16:35.279 I think it's cute. 373 00:16:35.340 --> 00:16:36.600 And I love a pet chew. 374 00:16:36.659 --> 00:16:39.299 I think Stuart Fell was the back end, right? 375 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:40.740 And he says... 376 00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:43.080 He was always losing the task, wasn't he? 377 00:16:43.139 --> 00:16:47.039 He says that there were no air holes in it. 378 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:49.980 So the only way you could get oxygen was when the mouth opened. 379 00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:57.299 So not only is he on some guy's rear end, he's getting no air. as 380 00:16:57.299 --> 00:16:57.659 well. 381 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.000 And when he does get the air, it has to go past the other guy. 382 00:17:00.059 --> 00:17:01.259 Oh, dear. 383 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:03.960 But yeah, it was the characters in this. 384 00:17:04.019 --> 00:17:10.079 And especially Unstorf and Garron, who were the 2 I really, really 385 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:11.160 enjoyed watching. 386 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:15.359 So I've got Nigel Plaskett, who's Anstoffen, Ian Cuthbertson as 387 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:16.380 Garrett. 388 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:20.039 I think we were required by law to call this Holmesey and Double 389 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:21.599 Act. Yes, right. 390 00:17:21.660 --> 00:17:22.500 Even though I'm not. 391 00:17:22.500 --> 00:17:23.880 There's 2 homes and double X in this. 392 00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:27.180 Because we've got the Grafin Decay and Sholac as well. 393 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:30.420 Do you know incredibly homoerotic double act? 394 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.339 Rod didn't even notice that. 395 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:36.539 The graph in decay, I think, is an absolutely spectacular 396 00:17:36.539 --> 00:17:37.319 performance. 397 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.299 I think he is incredible. 398 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:43.740 This is Paul Seed, who will go on to direct the 1st 2 series of 399 00:17:43.740 --> 00:17:46.380 House of Cards, the British House of Cards. 400 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.799 And it's his dog that bites Tom in the face. 401 00:17:49.859 --> 00:17:53.460 So can we talk about that just very briefly and then circle back 402 00:17:53.460 --> 00:17:54.720 round to Paul Seed? 403 00:17:54.779 --> 00:17:58.740 Tom has these horrible wounds on his face that are really, really 404 00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:00.000 visible in a lot of scenes. 405 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.279 And they look terrible, don't they? 406 00:18:02.339 --> 00:18:04.680 And I think they're probably trying to cover them up with makeup. 407 00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:05.400 Yeah they are. 408 00:18:05.460 --> 00:18:08.400 And there are some publicity pictures where he's got a big black 409 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:09.599 sticking plaster. 410 00:18:09.660 --> 00:18:14.940 And what happened was, they're at the pub, and Paul Seed has a dog 411 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:19.980 and someone tells Tom that don't do this particular thing, 'cause 412 00:18:19.980 --> 00:18:22.799 the dog reacts, and it'll bite you. 413 00:18:22.859 --> 00:18:26.099 And so, of course, Tom does that thing, that reacts and bites his 414 00:18:26.099 --> 00:18:26.279 face. 415 00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:30.000 Yeah, I think what it was is Paul Seed said, oh, he's got this 416 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.460 trick, watch, and picked up a little sausage and put the sausage 417 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:34.619 in his mouth, and the dog jumped up and bites the other half of 418 00:18:34.619 --> 00:18:35.160 the sausage. 419 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:38.099 And now, of course, that's okay when you own the dog, you know 420 00:18:38.099 --> 00:18:39.660 where to put the sausage and what have you. 421 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:41.160 But Tom go... 422 00:18:41.220 --> 00:18:42.059 Stop it. 423 00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:47.039 But Tom then does it, and I don't know if he positioned the 424 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:50.279 sausage wrongly, but yeah, the dog jumped up and bit his lip as 425 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:51.240 well as the sausage. 426 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:54.720 I don't think it's as obvious in this story that the lips bit. 427 00:18:54.779 --> 00:18:57.900 It's actually Pirate Planet because he bumps the doctor bumps his 428 00:18:57.900 --> 00:19:00.180 face at the beginning of the pirate planet and then it sort of 429 00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:01.799 like, well, it was still healing then. 430 00:19:01.859 --> 00:19:02.400 That's the thing. 431 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:05.400 I think I'd heard that the covering it up with makeup was 432 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:08.460 upsetting Tom, that it was hurting and things. 433 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:11.640 And so they wrote that into pirate planets so that they didn't 434 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:12.900 have to cover it up with makeup. 435 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.480 Yeah. which is, you know, it's understandable. 436 00:19:16.980 --> 00:19:20.339 You might as well, if it's an open wound, you might as well cover 437 00:19:20.339 --> 00:19:22.259 it with dirt if you're covering it in makeup. 438 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:23.279 Not pleasant. 439 00:19:23.339 --> 00:19:26.160 Paul scene is phenomenal, right? 440 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:30.059 This is one of the discoveries that I've made watching this story 441 00:19:30.059 --> 00:19:31.319 many years later. 442 00:19:31.380 --> 00:19:34.200 This is my equal 2nd favourite of the season. 443 00:19:34.259 --> 00:19:36.900 And I think it is extremely well crafted. 444 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:40.500 I have to give it to anybody who can go, for a cliffhanger, go 445 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:41.579 Sherlock. 446 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.880 No one makes a fool of the gruff binder key and lives. 447 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:48.779 I just love that ending. 448 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:53.400 There's not a moment of humour or self awareness in the 449 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:54.420 performance at all. 450 00:19:54.539 --> 00:19:56.099 It's played completely straight. 451 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.880 The graph indicate is clearly an absolute idiot. 452 00:19:59.940 --> 00:20:04.259 He's been deposed from the Lavivian throne because his people 453 00:20:04.259 --> 00:20:05.880 absolutely hated him. 454 00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:06.960 But he has... 455 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:08.160 Even though he is by right. 456 00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:11.160 That's right. has no self-awareness. 457 00:20:11.220 --> 00:20:15.480 He's constantly he's constant obsession is that he's being made a 458 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:16.259 fool of. 459 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:20.039 And the narrative makes a fool of him the entire way. 460 00:20:20.339 --> 00:20:22.619 And he just plays it. 461 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.019 There's not a hint of camp or anything. 462 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:28.859 Even at the very end when he's, you know, we bring up the 463 00:20:28.859 --> 00:20:33.000 background noise of battles that he's imagining as he goes off to 464 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:33.599 get blowed up. 465 00:20:33.660 --> 00:20:35.759 It's actually quite moving. 466 00:20:35.819 --> 00:20:38.640 You feel for him in those last few minutes, like from when 467 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:44.039 Sherlock dies and his reaction to that, you, you, you kind of, you 468 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:45.420 almost sympathise with him. 469 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.140 You know, you don't agree with what he was doing, but you think, my 470 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:53.099 God, you actually think that you are right and just in what you're 471 00:20:53.099 --> 00:20:53.279 doing. 472 00:20:53.339 --> 00:20:57.000 It's terrific, and I don't think we've ever seen anything quite 473 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.440 like it in Doctor Who before. 474 00:20:58.500 --> 00:21:01.859 Yeah, I mean, especially not because, of course, by this stage 475 00:21:01.859 --> 00:21:03.779 Graham Williams has seen Star Wars. 476 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:04.799 Yeah. 477 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:09.059 As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, Star Wars came out in the 478 00:21:09.059 --> 00:21:13.259 gap between the Sunmakers and Underworld. 479 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:16.799 Underworld was the 1st Doctor Who that people saw after Star 480 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:17.279 Wars. 481 00:21:17.339 --> 00:21:19.319 And lots of people saw it too. 482 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:21.839 I mean, that story's got the highest rated episode of that 483 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:22.079 season. 484 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:28.380 So yeah, Graham Williams, for this season, deliberately decided we 485 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:31.019 need to focus on character because we can't match the special 486 00:21:31.019 --> 00:21:31.559 effects. 487 00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:35.039 And with last season, there were lots of spaceship special 488 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:35.460 effects. 489 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:39.180 You know, you had the Titan shuttle, you had the R1 city, uh, you 490 00:21:39.180 --> 00:21:43.680 had the Varden ship, uh, over Gallifrey, and they weren't terrible 491 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:44.220 models. 492 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:45.539 No, no, they were quite good models. 493 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:49.920 But even now with Reebos operation, despite the fact that you have 494 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.400 2 spaceships landing, you have Garon spaceship, and you have the 495 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:55.619 graph indicated spaceship, they've elected, we're not going to 496 00:21:55.619 --> 00:21:55.980 show those. 497 00:21:55.980 --> 00:21:58.259 Instead, we're going to build really great sets, have really great 498 00:21:58.259 --> 00:22:02.579 costumes and really good performances and a cracking script. 499 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:05.519 And it's like, okay, you know, this is what Doctor Who does well. 500 00:22:05.579 --> 00:22:07.559 And that's what I really like about this. 501 00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:11.160 It's the fact that it's very homes in that he sets it in a few 502 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:14.220 different locations, right? 503 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.559 But you don't necessarily see the outside of things. 504 00:22:16.619 --> 00:22:19.920 And as a kid, I used to kind of visualise this whole season as a 505 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:20.579 series of movies. 506 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:24.539 So you would see this, the ships coming into the north that you 507 00:22:24.539 --> 00:22:27.779 would see this decaying city with the catacombs and all that sort 508 00:22:27.779 --> 00:22:30.720 of thing, which we don't get to see, obviously, in this for 509 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:32.160 budgetary reasons. 510 00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:35.160 And I like the fact that it is outdoors, but it's set indoors and 511 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:35.700 they can do that. 512 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:39.420 It gives this season the 1st 5 stories because there's so much 513 00:22:39.420 --> 00:22:40.559 location work in the next four. 514 00:22:40.619 --> 00:22:43.079 It feels like it's outside and it's bigger and they're using the 515 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:43.799 budget really well. 516 00:22:43.859 --> 00:22:47.640 Yeah, so I really like, you know, the use of the sets and that 517 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:48.119 sort of thing. 518 00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:50.759 Although when Romana and the doctor are in the relic room and the 519 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:54.539 graft indicays outside, like literally like 2 seconds away from 520 00:22:54.539 --> 00:22:56.819 them and they're having to hide and they're having like a 5 minute 521 00:22:56.819 --> 00:22:57.359 conversation. 522 00:22:57.420 --> 00:22:59.400 Like there's, you know, there's those... 523 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:00.359 It's a bit stagey. 524 00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:01.680 Yes, it's staged that way. 525 00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:04.619 They hide behind those 2 little screens that could hide nobody in 526 00:23:04.619 --> 00:23:05.220 a 1000000 years. 527 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.680 But, you know, that's minor little things. 528 00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:10.619 And like, you know, I always used to imagine that the concourse 529 00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:13.680 where they find Binro would have been much bigger, you know, had 530 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:18.420 they done a big movie version of this and the whole relic room and 531 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:21.539 getting into it would have been a much bigger sort of drama to get 532 00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:23.160 into, not as it seems to be. 533 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:29.880 It's also weird because it's, I think, the only time that classic 534 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:31.500 Doctor Who does a heist movie. 535 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:35.339 It's a really unusual heist too, in our sense, because the very 536 00:23:35.339 --> 00:23:40.859 1st scenes are putting a precious object into the relic room. 537 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:42.119 Yeah, they're not stealing something. 538 00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:43.920 It's an anti-heist. an anti-heist. 539 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:45.480 It's really clever in that way. 540 00:23:45.539 --> 00:23:49.380 So we should talk about Unstuff and Darren, and I absolutely 541 00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:52.859 loathed his performance as a child. 542 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:54.480 I just hated it. 543 00:23:54.539 --> 00:23:55.619 It was so over the top. 544 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.339 I just really just was turned off by the same way I really hated 545 00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:04.140 Jago, the same way I don't like the pirate captain. 546 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:06.180 Like, I just hate these big overdrop performances. 547 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.460 Now I think it's absolutely brilliant. 548 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.220 They're really funny together, right? 549 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:12.180 Oh, yeah, yeah. 550 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:17.400 And Unstroft reminds me, the guy who plays him reminds me of a guy 551 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.940 from Play School here in Australia on ABC TV. 552 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.819 We used to have like Noni Hazelhurst and there was this other 553 00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:24.059 guy. 554 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:26.819 I never remember his name, who was with her throughout a lot of 555 00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:27.960 the stuff as a kid. 556 00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:29.220 And I think he did it for about 20 years. 557 00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:31.500 Was he the one who ended up on neighbours? 558 00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:32.339 No. 559 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:35.039 They all ended up on neighbours sooner or later. 560 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.160 But he's just got that open, honest face, and I always used to get 561 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:39.059 confused as a kid. 562 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.700 I thought it was the guy from Play School, but of course it's 563 00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:41.880 not. 564 00:24:41.940 --> 00:24:45.000 And his performance, who plays and stuff? 565 00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:46.380 Nigel Plaskett. 566 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.900 I think it's just a beautiful performance. 567 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:50.700 Absolutely divine. 568 00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:54.660 And his scenes with Binroe, which as I said, as a kid, I found 569 00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:55.079 really boring. 570 00:24:55.140 --> 00:24:58.259 Now I just think they're the heart and soul of the 2nd part of the 571 00:24:58.259 --> 00:24:58.740 story. 572 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:01.500 Yeah, I think so too. just amazing stuff. 573 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.960 Yeah, it's amazing when you consider that at the end of this 574 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:04.200 year. 575 00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:09.180 Bob Holmes disappears from the show for about five years. 576 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:14.759 And yet, in this story, he writes a few really beautiful emotional 577 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:15.240 scenes. 578 00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:18.420 You've got unstopping Ben Rowe talking, and especially the moment 579 00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:20.880 Unstoft tells Ben Rowe, you're actually right. 580 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.180 And Unstock gains nothing from that. 581 00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:27.539 You know, there is honour amongst thieves. 582 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:33.539 You've got unstopped reaction when Binro is killed, which is sort 583 00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:36.720 of one of the most human and real reactions we've had to death 584 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.799 especially Bob Holmes, who's quite, you know, known for just as 585 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.799 Stephen Moffatt would put it, creating interesting characters and 586 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:44.460 then melting them. 587 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:48.059 You've got the aforementioned scene with the gruff Vindicay 588 00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:49.440 reacting to Sholak's death. 589 00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:53.339 You know, this is a story where death happens, like in all Doctor 590 00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:58.799 Who, but unlike a lot of Doctor Who, it doesn't go unremarked, you 591 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:00.839 know, a couple a couple of guards are killed. 592 00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:02.940 Oh, can we talk about the guard captain? 593 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.359 Prentice Hancock is back, ladies and gentlemen. 594 00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:10.619 I think giving him a really minor role with hardly any lines is 595 00:26:10.619 --> 00:26:11.460 the perfect thing to do. 596 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.559 If you get a cast, apprentice Hancock. 597 00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:17.819 Put him in a fluffy hat, give him about 6 lines and then get on 598 00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:18.599 with your life, I think. 599 00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:22.980 And he's supposed to be like, the guard captain, it seems, that 600 00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:23.640 the whole city. 601 00:26:23.700 --> 00:26:26.819 Like, it's supposed to be quite a, like, that's what I get from 602 00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:30.299 the script is very subtle, but of course, it's a character with no 603 00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:32.940 character compared to the others, and he plays that to 604 00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:33.539 perfection. 605 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:34.920 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 606 00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:38.039 I mean, poor Prentice, how the mighty have fallen, because last 607 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:39.240 time he was in Doctor Who. 608 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.839 He was almost playing the lead villain in Planet of Evil. 609 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:43.799 Yeah. 610 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:47.160 And that was when his style was rising and, you know, he was in 611 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:48.539 space 1999. 612 00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:51.960 Now by this time, space 1999 is not only off the air, but he 613 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:53.579 didn't get brought back for the 2nd season. 614 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:58.200 Yeah, and he's back down to playing guard captain. 615 00:26:58.259 --> 00:27:00.119 I quite liked him in space 1999. 616 00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:02.039 But I must admit, I haven't watched for many years. 617 00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:03.839 Oh, you should. hilarious. 618 00:27:04.140 --> 00:27:08.279 I actually find this script a bit Star Trek, in the fact that 619 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:12.059 these guys are visiting a world that has lesser technology than 620 00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:12.480 their own. 621 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.000 And level 3 society? 622 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.319 Yeah, level 3 society. 623 00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:19.920 They all fly into the north, they've come from the north and they 624 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:21.779 have to have their passes and that sort of thing. 625 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.240 It's just something that I kind of noted. 626 00:27:24.299 --> 00:27:27.420 Like, it tickles my fancy when, oh, yes, you're from the north. 627 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:30.779 There's a reasonable attempt to build a world and you always get 628 00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:31.859 that from Bob Holmes. 629 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:36.240 You get the feeling that there are things and places beyond what 630 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:37.319 you see on screen. 631 00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:40.259 So you've got the greatest Serenic Empire and the Magellanic 632 00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:44.460 Mining Corporation, and you've got the city of Sher and the tundra 633 00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:46.920 and merchants from the north and all of that kind of thing. 634 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:51.000 He always creates a world, and there's lots of place names, and 635 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.660 things like that, which I think works terribly well, and he does 636 00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:55.500 it sort of every year. 637 00:27:55.619 --> 00:28:00.240 It just feels really desolate and isolated, and it looks great. 638 00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:01.500 It just looks spectacular. 639 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:03.599 Now, we must talk about the seeker. 640 00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:06.059 The seeker, played by Anne Turand. 641 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.400 I mean, it's great that there's another, there's a female 642 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.160 character who in the 2nd half of the story, thanks, Bob. 643 00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:14.279 Yeah, he doesn't do a good job of that this year, does he? 644 00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:18.660 This is his only female guest character. character in 8 episodes 645 00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:19.259 this year. 646 00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:23.460 Thankfully, the rest of the stories have very strong parts for 647 00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:25.980 women and very strong actresses playing them. 648 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.119 She's weird to see her in that she actually can predict the future 649 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.420 and can find things. like she's always correct. 650 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.240 Yes, yeah. when people don't believe her. 651 00:28:36.539 --> 00:28:41.460 And, you know, the new series, in the end of time, where that 652 00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:44.460 seeker woman, and I'm just there going, have they just ripped that 653 00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:44.700 off? 654 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:45.660 You know what? 655 00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:46.559 The reboss operation? 656 00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:47.279 It's Russell. 657 00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:48.299 So I'm sure they have. 658 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.900 I mean, this is Russell who, in his 1st year went, oh, we're not 659 00:28:51.900 --> 00:28:52.859 going to have loads of continuity. 660 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.240 We're not going to have loads of continuity. 661 00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:57.240 My father would have fed me to the venom. 662 00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:57.779 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 663 00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:00.059 The face of Beau from the iceop galaxy. 664 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:01.440 Yeah, that was deliberate. 665 00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:02.279 Thanks, Russell. 666 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.019 Yeah, I think she's wonderful. 667 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.420 And it is so interesting, Todd. 668 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:07.259 You're right. 669 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:12.240 That, despite the fact that, yes, she is this superstitious bone 670 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.940 shaker, as she's called. 671 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.880 All of her predictions are absolutely right. 672 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.619 And I quite like, she never really meets the doctor. 673 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.579 So he doesn't have a chance like he did with Mark Tyler last 674 00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:28.799 season to kind of say, oh yes, you were born. 675 00:29:28.859 --> 00:29:30.900 You're a time fisher, and that's why you can have visions. 676 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.839 I like that there's no explanation for it and it's not really 677 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:34.680 remarked upon. 678 00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:38.460 Because on the one hand, you've got the discussion between Onstop 679 00:29:38.460 --> 00:29:42.599 and Binroe about science versus religion, really. you know, because 680 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:44.940 Ben Rose Galileo, basically. 681 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.440 But on the other hand, you have this religious slash magical 682 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.079 ceremony that works and yields results. 683 00:29:52.140 --> 00:29:54.960 Do you know, I actually think there's more to that conversation 684 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.240 than science versus religion? 685 00:29:57.299 --> 00:30:01.019 And this is something that Xander talks about as well. 686 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:05.880 I think it's Bob Holmes attacking the premise of the season long 687 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:06.359 arc. 688 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:10.680 So we go from this big introduction, and there's a huge galactic 689 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:15.059 problem, and there's 2 opposing forces, these two warring gods, you 690 00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:19.200 know, the white and black guardian, who, you know, are in conflict 691 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:21.119 and they're both searching for the key to time. 692 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.680 And for a second, the doctor suspects that maybe Garin is an agent 693 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.140 of the Black Guardian, although that's dropped pretty quickly. 694 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.579 But the other group of people who believe that their world is a 695 00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:38.460 battleground over which, you know, warring gods are fighting, the 696 00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:42.539 people of Rebos, who believe that there are gods, you know, the 697 00:30:42.539 --> 00:30:45.420 ice gods and the sun gods are fighting over Rebos. 698 00:30:45.539 --> 00:30:50.160 And that view, the view, the warring god's view is associated with 699 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.220 superstition and is roundly rejected by the story. 700 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:57.720 So when you get Binro saying he doesn't believe in the ice gods 701 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.460 and the sun gods, you get unstuff explaining that the reality is 702 00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:06.660 you know, just a physical reality, there are no gods. 703 00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:10.500 But the whole premise of the arc is that there are gods. 704 00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:15.480 And even by telling a story, you know, there's this huge war in 705 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:21.059 heaven, but we go to Rebos for a story about two con men trying to 706 00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:24.059 sell a planet to an idiot, kind of dictator. 707 00:31:24.180 --> 00:31:26.160 The scale is incredibly small. 708 00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:29.460 Nothing's under threat, nothing very much as at stake. 709 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.839 I think it's a rejection of the idea of the epic basis of the 710 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:34.079 story. 711 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.059 Hmm. 712 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:40.259 There's a couple of things that Garan talks about this instrument 713 00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:43.859 being Japanese, because it doesn't work, which is a bit racist in 714 00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:44.039 itself. 715 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.880 It's also kind of weirdly out of date because, you know, those 716 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:53.460 people who are our age think of the Japanese as being incredibly 717 00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:56.220 great at consumer electronics. 718 00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:56.579 Yeah, yeah. 719 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.480 But people of homes as vintage thought that they're, you know, the 720 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.019 made in Japan was a sign of sort of shoddy manufacturer. 721 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:08.099 And then, of course, he sells the Sydney Harbour Bridge. and the 722 00:32:08.099 --> 00:32:09.119 Opera House. 723 00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:11.099 Well, no, he refused to sell the opera house. 724 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.079 He couldn't let that part of our cultural heritage. 725 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:14.579 It makes you an Arab. 726 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:15.180 Yeah, yeah. 727 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.220 Came after me with a machine gun. 728 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.920 Well, that's that's a line. 729 00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:20.819 Oh, line. the line. 730 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.079 More interesting in that. 731 00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:24.900 The reason he's selling the Sydney Harbour Bridge is because in 732 00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:26.460 the original script, he's Australian. 733 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:30.599 So he's a massive Australian racist, which is a little close to 734 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:30.900 home. 735 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.140 It's fun accents with both unstopping, Karen. 736 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:35.400 Like, its accents all the way. 737 00:32:35.460 --> 00:32:39.660 Karen's got his incredibly ludicrously fake posh accent, which he 738 00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:43.859 uses with a graph and with a doctor. and then he's got his sort of 739 00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:47.579 ridiculous cockney accent that he uses with unstov. 740 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:49.619 And that's sort of terribly funny. 741 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.319 But I would have loved to have heard him do an Australian accent. 742 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:53.279 That would have been terrific. 743 00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:54.240 Yeah, yeah. 744 00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:55.920 I like the use of canine in this story. 745 00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:58.740 Especially when he destroys rocks. 746 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.440 It's not that pathetic little like laser beans. 747 00:33:01.500 --> 00:33:04.740 You actually get a wide beam and it just disappears and that sort 748 00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:05.160 of thing. 749 00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:07.920 Yeah, I actually quite like his use in this story. 750 00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:09.539 Yeah, it's quite effective. 751 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.599 And he gets a fair bit of character in it as well. 752 00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:16.680 Like, when Garren disappears and Romana's like, why didn't you 753 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:17.039 tell me? 754 00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:18.599 Because you didn't. 755 00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:21.059 You're very irritating. start sulking. 756 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.099 She actually says you're a very irritating computer. 757 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.339 And I get the impression that Romana doesn't know what a dog is. 758 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:27.660 Do you know what I mean? 759 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.559 Yeah, and she just is responding to it as if it's as if he's a 760 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:31.920 computer. 761 00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:35.880 Yeah, and of course, one last thing about Mary before we go on 762 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.519 because Rod loves Mary Tam as well. 763 00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:43.079 You know, in a way, it took him about 2 or 3 stories to accept 764 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.140 that lower ward was even on the screen next season because she's 765 00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:47.400 not Mary Tam. 766 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.700 His description of Mary Tam in the story is Romana's eyebrows 767 00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:51.779 could raise the Titanic. 768 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:56.400 I love the fact that she's is a bit clueless about the key to time 769 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.099 like the actual segments, like she assumed that it was the crown 770 00:33:59.099 --> 00:34:03.420 not the scringe stone, or the Jethrick, and this happens for a few 771 00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:06.839 stories, but she doesn't quite work out what it actually is. 772 00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:09.300 Yeah, because she's thinking it'll be the obvious thing. 773 00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:12.239 When, you know, if you're going to disguise something, don't make 774 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:13.139 it the obvious thing. 775 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.539 Indiana Jones in the last crusade, you know, that's the cup of a 776 00:34:15.539 --> 00:34:15.960 carpenter. 777 00:34:16.019 --> 00:34:22.860 Now, the doctor blows up the graft in decay or Robert Holmes 778 00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:24.539 allows that to happen within the script. 779 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:26.639 Do you think that's a problem? 780 00:34:26.699 --> 00:34:27.360 No. 781 00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:31.679 See, yeah, I don't think it's a problem because it juxtaposes 782 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.900 really well with the sort of fun jolly adventure we've been 783 00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:34.139 having. 784 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:38.219 Yet we're having this fun, jolly adventure, but we then have this 785 00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:41.940 really villainous psychopathic character in there. 786 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:47.760 And it's something I wrote about in you and who contact has been 787 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.920 made because in the 90s, when I was just getting into fandom, of 788 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.300 course, that's when the new adventures were about. 789 00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.019 And I hadn't read many of them, but I really objected to the sort 790 00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:01.440 of coldness and the callousness of the doctor in some of them. 791 00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:07.139 John Anderson, I think, was running a panel at a convention and 792 00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:08.340 had this role play. 793 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.059 So I was the doctor, Alex Gibbs and Bruce Greenwood, where my 2 794 00:35:12.059 --> 00:35:13.980 companions who were tied to a nuclear bomb. 795 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.860 And as the doctor I had the option to let them die or kill the 796 00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:17.219 villain. 797 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.280 And that's You let them die? 798 00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:21.420 You know what? 799 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.300 I can't, all I can remember about it was every time I tried to 800 00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:29.760 speak, Alex or Bruce would just go, help, help, help. 801 00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:33.539 But no, it raises the point that sometimes the doctor has to do 802 00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:38.219 really quite. questionable things to get out of this situation. 803 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.840 And in this situation, Yeah, it's not like he's brought the bomb 804 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:43.139 with him. 805 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.019 It's not like he's gone, oh, I've got a grenade in my pocket. 806 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:46.860 I love that at you. 807 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.920 It's a matter of, the graph has put the bomb on the doctor. 808 00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:51.539 It's like, well I've got 2 options here. 809 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.320 Blow myself up or switch, blow him up. 810 00:35:55.380 --> 00:35:57.840 And the thing is, the graph vindicate is going to go back out on 811 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:01.980 the surface and start killing people and wage, wage further war. 812 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:03.960 So it's like, what do I do? 813 00:36:04.019 --> 00:36:04.500 Yeah. 814 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.440 After he's done it, the doctor doesn't sort of smile into the 815 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:08.219 camera or anything. 816 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.340 You see, it's not like he stabs him in the head either. 817 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.360 Do you know what I mean? 818 00:36:12.420 --> 00:36:16.260 Like he does a comedy bit of sleight of hand, which is, you know 819 00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:16.860 happens again. 820 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.380 There's a callback to it, right, at the very end when they're 821 00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:25.380 swapping the Jethric, which is one of the most valuable substances 822 00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:26.159 in the universe. 823 00:36:26.219 --> 00:36:27.059 Yes. 824 00:36:27.059 --> 00:36:28.500 Take a drink. 825 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.000 The many. 826 00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:31.739 This year's Argonite. 827 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.920 It's not quite the doctor killing someone. 828 00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:38.280 It's a doctor doing a sort of comedy magic trick that just ends up 829 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.219 causing the villain to fall into his own trap. 830 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.539 That's what the doctor does. 831 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.840 Yeah, you know, it's trapping the Daleks in mirrors in the 5 832 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.380 doctors. 833 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.199 It's reflecting the Borad's power being back at him. 834 00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:53.820 You know, it's giving the villain a chance to just leave and the 835 00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:54.480 villain dozens. 836 00:36:54.539 --> 00:36:56.340 I was like, okay, this is what I got to do. 837 00:36:56.460 --> 00:37:00.119 I think there are far more objectionable things that the doctor 838 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.860 does coming up and even in the new series. 839 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:25.260 Well, it's four of the Croquenols well, so that's all the time we 840 00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:26.880 have for the Ryeboss operation. 841 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.420 Or the reboss operation, whatever, Nathan. 842 00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:34.980 Please come back and join us next week for the Pirate Planet. 843 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.099 Don't forget, you can find us online at Flightthrough Entirety.com 844 00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:41.340 flight through Entirety on Facebook and iTunes or FTE podcast on 845 00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:41.820 Twitter. 846 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:46.079 Currently available on Bondfinger at our 1st 5 commentaries 847 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.099 covering up two. 848 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:48.300 You only live twice. 849 00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:52.920 You can also find that Bondfinger cast on Twitter, Bondfinger on 850 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.480 Facebook and iTunes. 851 00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:58.440 Until we see you next week, May, all your shrivenzals be able to 852 00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.400 breathe out their back end. 853 00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:00.539 Thank you very much and good night. 854 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:01.260 Good night. 855 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:01.980 See you soon. 856 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.519 That was Flatter Entirety with Todd BLB, Nathan Bottomley and 857 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:09.239 Brendan Jones. 858 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.099 This episode, he positioned the sausage wrongly, was recorded on 859 00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:15.480 Sunday the 4th of October. 860 00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:19.019 The next episode will be released on December 13th. 861 00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:23.940 I'll bet that before you heard this podcast, you were even willing 862 00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:24.480 to be impressed. 863 00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:32.760 I quite like them in space 1999, but I must admit, I haven't 864 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:33.420 watched it for many years. 865 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:34.500 Oh, you should. 866 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:35.219 It's hilarious. 867 00:38:35.820 --> 00:38:37.980 I'll edit this part out. 868 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:43.980 But um, network on air until the end of today, uh, so the UK 869 00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:48.659 company releasing it, it's £10 for the 1st series on Blu-ray. 870 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.460 Okay, I'm not going to come by. 871 00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:51.539 Okay.