WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:23:27 1 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:37.560 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who knows exactly what a counter jamming frequency projector looks like. 2 00:00:37.619 --> 00:00:38.460 I'm Brendan. 3 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:39.179 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:39.899 I'm Todd. 5 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:44.880 And we are heading onto the planet Xanak for the pirate planet. 6 00:00:50.939 --> 00:00:54.119 Well, this is my fourth favourite story in the key to time season. 7 00:00:54.179 --> 00:00:55.200 And that's not a bad thing. 8 00:00:55.259 --> 00:00:58.740 I really enjoy the first four stories a lot. 9 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:02.399 I just, the other three around this own, I like a little bit more. 10 00:01:02.460 --> 00:01:12.719 But, you know, we have to thank Anthony Reid. for bringing Douglas Adams to the table, to television, in the documentary that's on the DVD with this. 11 00:01:12.780 --> 00:01:14.459 He says that Douglas had great ideas. 12 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:18.060 They just needed to be put into a structure, and here I think he generally does succeed. 13 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:38.099 I think one of the greatest things about Douglas's work, and one of his greatest limitations, is the fact that the ideas that he presents are so big and overarching, that sometimes I think the technology at the time doesn't quite match what is required to visually interpret things, and certainly a few aspects in this story. 14 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:39.959 But I generally like this story quite a lot. 15 00:01:40.019 --> 00:01:43.200 It's a really just a terribly funny script, isn't it? 16 00:01:43.260 --> 00:01:44.280 Yeah, it really is. 17 00:01:44.340 --> 00:01:49.019 And, you know, there are a few things that he minds for comedy all the way through. 18 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:59.519 So, there's all of these sort of absurd names for the various minerals that they're mining, you know, William and Magronite 15 and PJ X18 and all of that sort of thing. 19 00:01:59.579 --> 00:02:05.340 And all the planets had sort of silly, silly names, you know, Xanax and Calufracs. 20 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.980 And then there's all the techno babble as well. 21 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:12.000 You know, that's probably just an old macromat field integrator or something. 22 00:02:12.060 --> 00:02:26.159 And all of that, which will sort of carry on next year when he takes over a script and all of it just adds a kind of lightness of tone to the whole proceedings, which is a little bit deceptive, really, given. 23 00:02:26.460 --> 00:02:29.400 Yeah, it's quite, it's quite dark in terms of content. 24 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.759 When you get when you get to the actual concept of the story and what's happening. 25 00:02:32.819 --> 00:02:43.500 Again, a lot like the last story, death in this story is isn't just swept onto the rug when the doctor explains to Chemus and Romana what's going on. 26 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:48.240 Chemist actually takes a moment and gets really upset about, you know, what's been happening. 27 00:02:48.300 --> 00:02:49.500 So this planet. 28 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:56.699 So we've got this high concept, which is a planet that a hollow planet that materialises around other planets and mines them. 29 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.219 And it's a ridiculous high concept premise. 30 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:09.900 But as you say, it becomes real when we're told that it has been materialising around populated planets and killing, like literally 100s of 1000000s of people. 31 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:12.599 What's an old guy's name? 32 00:03:12.659 --> 00:03:14.340 Oh, oh, Balaton. 33 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.199 We do need to talk about the performances. 34 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:29.759 Well, let's start, let's start with, we've got a nice Tartar scene, I think, at the beginning of the story, which I quite like, and the doctor talks about 523 years operating the TARDIS, so we've got a bit of a time frame to things. 35 00:03:29.819 --> 00:03:31.080 I don't know whether that's quite true. 36 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:36.360 No, it'll be contradicted in by Drax in the Armageddon fact, it's quite soon. 37 00:03:36.419 --> 00:03:39.960 And I love the fact that they put the 1st segment of the key to time in an old bridge. 38 00:03:40.020 --> 00:03:42.840 I mean, that's always a great thing to see. 39 00:03:42.900 --> 00:03:43.919 The limbo cupboard. 40 00:03:43.979 --> 00:03:45.419 So they have that room, don't they? 41 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:46.199 That black room. 42 00:03:46.259 --> 00:03:46.919 The black room. 43 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:48.900 With the old style fridge. 44 00:03:49.020 --> 00:03:49.740 Yeah. 45 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:51.659 And it is called the limbo room. 46 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:53.520 That's what it said, that's what it's called in the script. 47 00:03:53.580 --> 00:03:54.120 Oh okay. 48 00:03:54.180 --> 00:04:06.060 I believe Graham Williams' concept was, you know, if the TARDIS is infinite and infinitely adjustable because we've seen so many different console rooms. then you don't actually need a corridor leading to a specific place. 49 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:11.879 As soon as you walk out the door, the TARTAS will scan your brain and put what you want on the other side of the door. 50 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:17.040 You know, they never explain it, because why would the doctor have to explain that to Ramana? 51 00:04:17.100 --> 00:04:18.180 She knows all about Tartases. 52 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:19.079 But I love it. 53 00:04:19.139 --> 00:04:22.980 And we see a couple of times this season, they go through that door, and there's a different thing on the other side. 54 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:24.360 Yes, yes. 55 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:26.339 There's a wardrobe at one point, isn't there? 56 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:27.360 Tahiti. 57 00:04:27.420 --> 00:04:28.920 We'll come back to that. 58 00:04:28.980 --> 00:04:29.459 I love that. 59 00:04:29.579 --> 00:04:36.660 And of course, Mary gets to wear her lovely pink jacket, white outfit, very sort of bucks fizz, whatever it happens to be, I think. 60 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:38.699 It is very period, isn't it? 61 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:39.899 Yeah, I love it on her. 62 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:48.420 I think Mel takes a bit of inspiration many years later for her little pink and white number, but, you know, I'm sure we'll discuss that sometime along the track. 63 00:04:48.480 --> 00:05:05.100 Again, Romana is trying to dematerialise the TARDIS, and at the same time, is, Xanak materialises around califracts, and it is, and so we get the doctor having to bump his lip and explain all of the, um, Tom's, um, dog attack attack. 64 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:05.399 Yep. 65 00:05:05.459 --> 00:05:08.160 And then, of course, you get the rent a crowd. 66 00:05:08.220 --> 00:05:09.360 We get BBC Rent a crowd. 67 00:05:09.420 --> 00:05:11.639 There's 8 people in that crowd, I counted. 68 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.540 Oh, and they're so overjoyed. 69 00:05:15.660 --> 00:05:18.000 Sorry, I wasn't sure when to enthuse. 70 00:05:18.060 --> 00:05:23.040 Yeah, Zanak is actually populated by some pretty terrible actors actually. 71 00:05:23.220 --> 00:05:30.600 So there's Balaton, who's the grandfather, who is just appallingly stilted in his delivery. 72 00:05:30.660 --> 00:05:36.120 There's his daughter Mueller, which is just the worst name of anyone ever. 73 00:05:36.180 --> 00:05:38.519 Like, is she a mule or does she mule a lot? 74 00:05:38.579 --> 00:05:39.360 Do you know what I mean? 75 00:05:39.420 --> 00:05:44.699 She does get a very good comedy moment and it does involve him as well, but I think it's all down to her. 76 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:45.959 Like, what was it? 77 00:05:46.019 --> 00:05:48.240 My father wasn't killed by the man he adds. 78 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.720 No, he was shot by the captain's guards to save him from the mint. 79 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.139 She's the one who delivers the immortal line. 80 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:55.800 Why? 81 00:05:55.860 --> 00:05:56.459 Why? 82 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:57.300 Why? 83 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:57.959 Why? 84 00:05:58.019 --> 00:05:58.500 Why? 85 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.600 But I think she makes up for it with... 86 00:06:00.660 --> 00:06:02.639 You mean they pinned him to the wall with good vibrations? 87 00:06:02.699 --> 00:06:05.160 No, she's terrible. 88 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:06.779 Preylix is terrible. 89 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:07.439 Yeah. 90 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:07.800 Yeah. 91 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:09.600 Keemus isn't bad. 92 00:06:09.660 --> 00:06:12.120 And of course, he was Mr. Louise Jameson at the time. 93 00:06:12.180 --> 00:06:12.899 David Warwick. 94 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:13.500 Oh, okay. 95 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.060 Yes, and he's been in the new series. 96 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:19.439 Yes, he was the police commissioner reporting that the ghosts were harmless. 97 00:06:19.500 --> 00:06:22.319 Oh, no, wait, stay in your homes, is that by a side map? 98 00:06:22.379 --> 00:06:23.160 Yeah, excellent. 99 00:06:23.220 --> 00:06:27.660 Yes, that's one of the things I will say about this is those performances. 100 00:06:27.779 --> 00:06:29.819 Do sort of let the side down a bit. 101 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:36.180 I mean, it's nice to have another woman in the car doing something, you know, who's not an evil crone or whatever it happens to be. 102 00:06:36.300 --> 00:06:37.319 I think that's quite good. 103 00:06:37.379 --> 00:06:48.180 I do laugh at the grandfather and the fact that he's quite willing to take all these riches and I don't want to know what's going on, just putting his head in the sand, so to speak, as long as he gets what he wants. 104 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:58.680 I think it would have been quite nice at the other end of the story perhaps to see some sort of... some development. realisation of and remorse as to that sort of thing. 105 00:06:58.740 --> 00:07:04.319 But I kind of think it's a bit like maybe the British Empire and what they did to so many countries around the world. 106 00:07:04.379 --> 00:07:06.779 I mean, it's like capitalism, really. 107 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:07.620 Do you know what I mean? 108 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:14.040 Like all of us listening to this podcast on our, you know, expensive devices and things. 109 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:23.699 All of us as consumers are, you know, in some way complicit in, you know, the exploitation and suffering experience by people elsewhere in the world. 110 00:07:23.819 --> 00:07:27.360 And we would just prefer not to think about that too much. 111 00:07:27.420 --> 00:07:30.060 And that's what this planet is. 112 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:41.100 You know, it's a planet of consumption, a planet that eats other planets, but no one on the planet can see a problem, and no one on the planet actually wants to think about it too much. 113 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:44.699 And the whole economy of the planet makes no sense. 114 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:46.319 The doctor realises it straight away. 115 00:07:46.379 --> 00:07:54.959 But, as Balaton says, we just don't ask questions about it, because, you know, the answers to those questions are too terrible. 116 00:07:55.079 --> 00:08:02.519 So there is a kind of real intent, I think, behind the, you know, silly, sci fi, high concept of the premise. 117 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:04.680 I quite like pralix. 118 00:08:04.740 --> 00:08:19.379 I actually think he does quite a good job, and certainly with the setup of the Mentiads, so you think that they're actually evil, and you get them knocking out the doctor at the end of the episode, so you're thinking that, you know, that's a real problem, but of course it's quite the opposite, as we come to discover. 119 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:33.659 I love all the stuff with the doctor and Romana, when they 1st arrive in the square, and the doctor's having no luck with the local residents, and it's up to the wonderful Mary Tam, Romana to... 120 00:08:33.659 --> 00:08:34.860 It's actually canine. 121 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:36.120 It's an idea. doesn't canine. 122 00:08:36.179 --> 00:08:37.860 It's prettier than you master. 123 00:08:37.860 --> 00:08:38.820 Is she? 124 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:41.460 But the fact that Romana gets... 125 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:48.299 Oh, yes, and she's so jovial and would you like a jelly baby and all of that and the doctor's there trying to, you know, butt in, but of course, getting nowhere. 126 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:48.960 I just sit there. 127 00:08:49.019 --> 00:08:51.539 The whimsy of it all just tickles my fancy. 128 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:52.919 I just love it. 129 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:53.940 Where did you get those? 130 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:55.259 Same place as you, your pocket. 131 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:58.679 I love the doctor saying, has anyone seen a planet? 132 00:08:58.740 --> 00:09:02.879 You know, he describes it about so big or blade spheroids. you know? 133 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:08.159 Like all of that is just terrifically funny and we'll get more of that sort of stuff next year. 134 00:09:08.220 --> 00:09:13.019 Then, of course, we go up the mountain to the bridge. 135 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:13.500 The bridge. 136 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.860 And we've got the pirate captain, Mr. Fibidly. 137 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:21.059 A number of guards who wear those, one of those... 138 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:22.740 Helmets are terrible, aren't they? 139 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:28.919 I believe they're versions of, they're not the original, but they seem to be versions of an ice Lord helmet. 140 00:09:28.980 --> 00:09:32.340 Well, they look like the Blake 7 helmet, actually. 141 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:33.960 They're very now, aren't they? 142 00:09:34.019 --> 00:09:35.100 They're very 1978. 143 00:09:35.220 --> 00:09:43.740 So you can have any, the same person playing the same guard because you actually can't see their eyes and that sort of thing over and over again just to save a bit of money if you need to. 144 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:45.960 Yes, unfortunately, we don't have Terry Walsh anymore. 145 00:09:46.019 --> 00:09:46.980 He's not a guard. 146 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:47.519 Oh, we will. 147 00:09:47.580 --> 00:09:48.299 Yes, we will. 148 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.639 Oh, yeah, yeah. but he's not in this. 149 00:09:50.700 --> 00:09:54.899 All right, so we're on the bridge and we've got the captain, Mr. Fibberly and the nurse. 150 00:09:54.960 --> 00:10:01.919 You said last week in the last episode that you didn't enjoy the pirate captain's performance when you were a kid. 151 00:10:01.980 --> 00:10:03.000 What do you think about it now? 152 00:10:03.059 --> 00:10:06.779 When I started to watch this, I just think, oh, this is so over the top. 153 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:07.620 This is so annoying. 154 00:10:07.980 --> 00:10:10.799 But as the story went along. 155 00:10:10.860 --> 00:10:19.320 And I always forget the big twist in the fact that his performance is that big because he's actually doing something else to stop Queen Xangxia. 156 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:20.039 I always forget it. 157 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:23.460 And so then, in retrospect, I go, well, actually that's really good. 158 00:10:23.460 --> 00:10:24.480 And I still feel that now. 159 00:10:24.539 --> 00:10:25.559 I think it's a good performance. 160 00:10:25.620 --> 00:10:27.659 But I, it's so big. 161 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:31.679 And then he's got his demented Leo Sayer next to him, right? 162 00:10:31.740 --> 00:10:34.500 And as a kid, I thought, this is a demented Leo Sayer. 163 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:38.340 And if you don't know who that is, young people go and look him up on the internet. 164 00:10:39.059 --> 00:10:43.379 And get off Todd's lawn. 1970s pop star. 165 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:47.940 And I really, really loathe that character even more as a child. 166 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:49.799 Now I think it's a really great performance. 167 00:10:49.860 --> 00:11:00.360 And again, it's a comedy double act and certainly with his death at the end and it's, you know, very heartbreaking and sort of, you know, it's a lovely character moment. 168 00:11:00.419 --> 00:11:02.279 I think they're actually really wonderful in this. 169 00:11:02.340 --> 00:11:08.220 I actually would have liked to have seen a little bit more light and shade in Bruce Purchase's performance. 170 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:19.860 We're going to see this happening more and more, and it's something that Douglas Adams talked about, which is the moment that you put humour in a script, actors take the opportunity to kind of do funny voices and ham it up. 171 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:33.179 And here, very much the humour in the script, and the high concept, and the robot parrot, and all of that sort of stuff, is all there to distract you from the fact that something really terrible is happening. 172 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:40.379 And that shift, that tonal shift is really exemplified in the pirate captain's performance. 173 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:48.659 So he's a blustering over the top, Doctor Who villain, who has, you know, a great line in sort of hilarious imprecations. 174 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:52.500 I like by the left frontal lobe of the Sky Demon, for instance. 175 00:11:52.559 --> 00:12:04.799 But when it's revealed that it is a long game, that it's just a ploy and he's trying to throw Queen Zangxia off the scent, it's a shame that we don't get to see what he's really like. 176 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:09.840 He does dial it back a bit, but it never becomes real, and I think that's a mistake. 177 00:12:09.899 --> 00:12:11.820 I think a big problem of it is. 178 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:16.919 Sort of when he turns on Xangxia, he just kind of says, I'll be free of you, you hag. 179 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:17.879 And then she kills him. 180 00:12:17.940 --> 00:12:21.539 And it's like, I would have liked the longest speech there, which would have emphasised. 181 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:25.919 I've been waiting years for this and you thought I was just a fool, blah, blah, blah. 182 00:12:25.980 --> 00:12:34.320 And that would have actually made his death a bit more palpable because halfway through that speech, you'd go, he's actually kind of a good guy. 183 00:12:34.379 --> 00:12:35.820 You know, he's about to be redeemed. 184 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:36.539 He's about to be. 185 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:37.080 Oh he's dead. 186 00:12:37.139 --> 00:12:39.120 Instead, we just get... 187 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:40.379 Oh, be free of you, you hag. 188 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:40.860 Wait, what? 189 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:41.580 Oh, he's... 190 00:12:41.700 --> 00:12:43.139 Oh, oh, he was on the okay. 191 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.480 I think that's a really good point that you both made. 192 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:49.559 Like, if you'd had the opportunity to rein it down and actually see the real person. 193 00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:55.440 It would have made it a real performance, whether it's it becomes this just over-the-top thing, which is kind of what I was saying. 194 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:55.980 Yeah. 195 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:59.220 Yeah, the script, the script wants that to be a definite performance. 196 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:00.059 Do you know what I mean? 197 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:08.700 And it's brilliant in that it gives you the opportunity to have a fun overtop Doctor Who villain without completely throwing away the justification for it. 198 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.519 We should talk about Xangxia as well. 199 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:12.419 Which one? 200 00:13:12.419 --> 00:13:17.700 Well, the nurse appears on screen at the bridge in part two. 201 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:25.019 And she just gradually gets more and more important, and she's really menacing, and you can't say why, exactly. 202 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:28.259 Yeah, yeah, she's just got that stillness and quietness. 203 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.539 I loved her as a kid. 204 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:38.879 It's the one thing of this story I really, really loved, and I still love the fact that, in the background, And then suddenly, it's like, well, why is she there? 205 00:13:38.940 --> 00:13:44.100 And you know how she wears that little control box thing on her hip? 206 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:44.820 I wanted one of those. 207 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:49.740 And I love the fact that she could control things and then, you know, the memory cheats. 208 00:13:49.799 --> 00:14:01.259 I thought that when she got shot, she actually appeared over the A frame bridge, which, of course, is back, you know, after Underworld and the Robots of Death and Planet of Evil. 209 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:06.000 But I thought she actually appeared there, but of course she just flickers in and out in that one spot. 210 00:14:06.059 --> 00:14:08.460 I love Rosalind Lloyd's performance. 211 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:13.500 I love the split up the side of the skirt when she's standing on the A frame leading up to the plank. 212 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:15.360 And I just love her performance. 213 00:14:15.419 --> 00:14:16.799 I just think it's fantastic. 214 00:14:16.860 --> 00:14:18.600 She's a great villain, actually. 215 00:14:18.659 --> 00:14:21.720 And she does sort of come out of nowhere, and I think it is very clever. 216 00:14:21.779 --> 00:14:26.519 And again, it is a complex plot, and one of the things that Douglas Adams does. 217 00:14:26.580 --> 00:14:28.320 And apparently this had been paired back. 218 00:14:28.379 --> 00:14:29.519 It used to be more complex. 219 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:35.820 But he's very good at very tight plotting, and he doesn't leave any loose ends. 220 00:14:35.940 --> 00:14:42.120 And anything that appears to be, like, a weird continuity thing actually ends up getting an explanation. 221 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:48.659 And so here, there are three reasons for Xanax to be doing the piracy thing. 222 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:53.220 Initially, we think it's just to create wealth and riches. 223 00:14:53.279 --> 00:15:06.779 Then we discover that the captain is making a thing out of the planets remains in order to disrupt the time dams that are keeping Queen's Anxia alive and thereby kill her. 224 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:15.480 And then we discover that it's actually the power being consumed by the time dams, that Queen Zanksia is doing it all, to stay alive. 225 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:19.679 And create herself a new body in the form of the Rosalind Lloyd. 226 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:20.399 Xxia. 227 00:15:20.460 --> 00:15:21.059 Yeah. 228 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:22.379 Can you explain it to me? 229 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:29.460 Because, like, she's creating this new body, which the doctor picks up what appears to be some sort of camera to create his fake self. right? 230 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:38.100 And so I'd assume that she would need multiple cameras in the control room to sort of create this stable sort of version of herself. 231 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.980 This is what I, this is, this is where item could sort of get it. 232 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:45.840 And so the doctor has to project his fake self to jump off the literal cliffhanger, right? 233 00:15:45.899 --> 00:15:51.000 But then if somebody was to stand in front of it, Surely that would disrupt the signal and it wouldn't be there. 234 00:15:51.059 --> 00:16:00.480 Well, yeah, I don't, I think it's, you know, as far advanced from what we would see as a projector, as what we see as a projector is to a kinoscope. 235 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.240 Yeah, I think magic. 236 00:16:03.299 --> 00:16:05.039 Yes, it's a magic box. 237 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:06.120 It's a magic. 238 00:16:06.179 --> 00:16:07.799 It doesn't quite work in my head. 239 00:16:07.860 --> 00:16:10.620 Like the pirate captain's performance, right? 240 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:12.419 And like a few other visual effects. 241 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:21.659 Like, you know, they have a really good go at the flying car, which I would, again, in my, if you're listening to last week's, you know, I have got the movie series in my head. 242 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:23.159 So they could do that a lot better. 243 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:28.620 I love Romana's whole whimsy at the whole car and the whole flying and everything, you know. 244 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:30.779 Didn't she have one herself or something? 245 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.779 She had one, she got one for a 100, no, for her 70th birth. 246 00:16:33.899 --> 00:16:34.620 Yeah, something that. 247 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.700 And we've got the when the whole bridge does explode. 248 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:42.600 Like the explosion is so big that the whole city underneath should surely be wiped out. 249 00:16:42.659 --> 00:16:55.200 You know, we've got one of the worst special effects ever, which is with the spanner hitting the engines and you've got the faces of the doctor and the mentiads and it's just, that's just awful. 250 00:16:55.259 --> 00:16:57.179 It's just, it just doesn't work. 251 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:04.680 And this is little things like that, those little things that, for me, just sort of paired this back just a little bit from the other 3 stories around it. 252 00:17:04.740 --> 00:17:07.380 And then we've got a parent. 253 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:13.380 A parent that apparently, I never realised as a kid, it was actually emanating yellow urine. 254 00:17:13.380 --> 00:17:15.000 You know, I never realised. 255 00:17:15.059 --> 00:17:17.640 And I'm watching this and go, what the hell is this? 256 00:17:17.700 --> 00:17:19.319 It's brilliant. 257 00:17:19.380 --> 00:17:20.640 The parrot is fantastic. 258 00:17:20.700 --> 00:17:23.759 So it's called a polyphase Avatron, which is poly for sure. 259 00:17:23.819 --> 00:17:26.039 So again, that's a brilliant choice of names. 260 00:17:26.099 --> 00:17:36.420 And of course, canine ends up carrying it in his mouth somehow, which he doesn't sort of normally do, but he ends up having a fight with it, which is what we all wanted as children. 261 00:17:36.420 --> 00:17:37.319 Yeah, exactly. 262 00:17:37.380 --> 00:17:39.599 You know, like, it's great. 263 00:17:39.660 --> 00:17:41.579 You know, he doesn't have an eye patch. 264 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:43.079 He's got an electronic eye patch. 265 00:17:43.140 --> 00:17:45.180 He doesn't have a hook, he's got an electronic arm. 266 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:47.579 He doesn't have a parrot, he's got an electronic parrot. 267 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:51.720 So I think all of that, all of that works terribly well. 268 00:17:51.779 --> 00:17:55.140 Yeah, I'm just saying, like, you know, I never realised like the colour of it. 269 00:17:55.259 --> 00:17:56.220 Yeah, it is urine, is it? 270 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.099 But as a kid it was like, yes, I wanted to see the parrot versus canine. 271 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:00.240 Yeah, yeah, they all did. 272 00:18:00.299 --> 00:18:01.680 That was the thing that wanted to be. 273 00:18:01.740 --> 00:18:06.059 I must say in this story that both chemists and Romana are very good shots with the gun. 274 00:18:06.180 --> 00:18:07.740 Yeah, Romana kills someone. 275 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:09.720 Oh, I prefer to think that she's just stunned. 276 00:18:09.779 --> 00:18:11.160 No, she killed him. 277 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.140 But yeah, yeah. 278 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:17.400 Ramada has a sort of Daphne Zeniga in spaceballs moment of he shot my hair. 279 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:20.759 And doesn't canine fly the car as well? 280 00:18:20.819 --> 00:18:22.440 Yeah, canine flies the car. 281 00:18:22.500 --> 00:18:22.980 Yeah, yeah. 282 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:27.839 I mean, the car, which is absolutely positively not a copy of the Landspeeder in Star Wars. 283 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:28.980 How dare you say such thing? 284 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:30.420 No, we didn't just buy a toy. 285 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:32.880 Is it actually a speedboat? 286 00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:36.420 Like I actually think it might be a speedboat that brought into the studio. 287 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.759 Quite possibly, yeah. 288 00:18:38.819 --> 00:18:40.680 But, you know, the sort of red colouring. 289 00:18:40.740 --> 00:18:42.900 It doesn't leave much to the imagination. 290 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:44.460 So behind the scenes info. 291 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:49.859 Douglas Adams came up with the aircar because he hated scenes in corridors. 292 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:57.299 And you'll notice that there are very few scenes of people just walking through a featureless white corridor, Terry Nation. 293 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:02.339 There's the doctor and the mentiads occasionally in a corridor, but that's pretty much it. 294 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.779 We do have the induction corridor where people wander through, but I'll come back to that at the moment. 295 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:12.059 That's one of my favourite moments of this story where the doctor goes, talks about Newton's revenge. 296 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.279 We shouldn't tamper with the laws of physics, should we, Romana? 297 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:19.859 and they standing there and they go, it goes, click click, and the guards go, whoop, straight into the wall. 298 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:21.180 I just crack up every single time. 299 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:28.980 It's that it's that crazy and silliness that I do love in Douglas Adams slash Anthony Reed scripts. 300 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:29.940 Yeah, well, that's the thing. 301 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.160 It's Douglas Adams joke about corridors. 302 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:34.680 He hates corridors so much that he makes one that kills you. 303 00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:38.039 Like the rotating knives in Monty Python. 304 00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:41.640 That's full of hitchhikers in jokes as well. 305 00:19:41.700 --> 00:19:47.039 You know, the 1st time the doctor's in the corridor, he says he'll never be cruel to an electron in a particle accelerator again. 306 00:19:47.099 --> 00:19:47.940 Yes, yeah. 307 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.440 And that's, you know, I'll never be cruel to a gin and tonic again, is what Arthur Dent says. 308 00:19:52.500 --> 00:20:02.160 And, you know, he talks to the guards and talks about the violence and the long hours and what a boring job it must be, and some of the names of the planets and stuff. 309 00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:04.319 So it is full of hitchhikers references. 310 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:13.859 And the bit where Tom like knocks on the guard's helmet was completely unscripted and Mary's reaction, that Romana's reaction is Mary's reaction. 311 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:19.619 She almost burst out laughing just because she wasn't expecting Tom to do that to the poor actor inside the helmet. 312 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:25.140 The script itself. which is quite common for Dougal Sadence was far more complex to begin with. 313 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:31.680 Zangxia was actually a time lord in the midst of his last regeneration and that's why he was slowing time down. 314 00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:38.700 And his next planet for the pirate planet to go around wasn't Earth. 315 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:39.660 It was Gallifray. 316 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:41.220 Oh, okay. 317 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:42.720 I like the idea that it's Earth. 318 00:20:42.779 --> 00:20:44.940 I actually like to imagine it's Earth in 1978. 319 00:20:45.059 --> 00:20:46.140 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 320 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:47.279 It's contemporary. 321 00:20:47.339 --> 00:20:47.819 Yeah, yeah. 322 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:51.180 Yeah, but I mean, the reason Graham Williams sort of said no to that was. 323 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.700 Look, you know, we've just done a story endangering galafray. 324 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:59.880 It'll be far more meaningful if it's endangering Earth, which is sort of what we would now consider a very Russell T. Davis thing. 325 00:20:59.940 --> 00:21:01.859 You know, it always has to come back to earth. 326 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:03.180 It always has to relate to Earth. 327 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:10.559 Graham McDonald, the head of cereals, called for the pirate planet to be scrapped. 328 00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:13.319 Because it was too silly or too silly. 329 00:21:13.380 --> 00:21:16.920 He didn't like the humour in the scripts and and Graham Williams. 330 00:21:16.980 --> 00:21:28.200 When it was being planned, had actually gone on a daily holiday and broken his leg, so he wasn't up to much, but he did contact Graham McDonald and said, look, you brought me onto this series because it was too violent. 331 00:21:28.259 --> 00:21:30.839 I had to replace the violence and the horror was something. 332 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:31.799 That's why we have comedy. 333 00:21:31.859 --> 00:21:38.640 The comedy is not undermining the drama. helping to sell the drama, and you approved me having this year-long story arc. 334 00:21:38.700 --> 00:21:43.440 We don't have time to produce something else to go in the middle of a year-long story arc. 335 00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:49.980 If you scrap that, you're scrapping part of our year long story, which you said you really supported and liked. 336 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:51.660 The comedy in this is fine. 337 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:52.859 He's a new writer. 338 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:55.019 We're not just going to put what you've read on the screen. 339 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:55.980 We're going to edit it. 340 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:56.819 Let us do our jobs. 341 00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:58.140 And he relented. 342 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:03.059 So, yeah, a lot of people kind of see Graham Williams as this is the time when Doctor Who went wrong. 343 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:07.559 But for the most part, we've really been enjoying Graham Williams influence. 344 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:08.819 I certainly do. 345 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.880 I mean, the problems we had last year with things like underworld. 346 00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:13.680 But this season is very strong. 347 00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:16.500 What it is is just fun. 348 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:17.579 It's so fun. 349 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:19.200 Yeah, yeah, it is so fun. 350 00:22:19.500 --> 00:22:24.599 Do either of you find, though, that now that we don't have a human companion? 351 00:22:24.660 --> 00:22:27.000 Are we losing the humanity of the show? 352 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:28.980 Because that started to go out the window with Inchcliff. 353 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:29.940 I think we got it back. 354 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.640 I don't mind it. 355 00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:33.420 Do you know what I mean? 356 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:36.539 Like, the fact is that she's really fun to watch. 357 00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:47.400 And, and like, you weren't really, you know, enjoying Joe because she was from the same planet as you, because secretly they're actually all from the same planet as you. 358 00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:49.079 Even the Alzarians. 359 00:22:49.140 --> 00:22:52.980 You were watching it because she was sort of fun and plucky and lovely. 360 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:55.680 And I think Mary is a real pleasure to watch. 361 00:22:55.740 --> 00:23:09.539 And, and, and, you get the impression that they think the audience is smart and sophisticated enough to not need someone to have everything explained to them. 362 00:23:09.539 --> 00:23:11.099 That's a good point. 363 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:15.960 But I also think that in that one sense, too, that the audience is smart and sophisticated. 364 00:23:16.019 --> 00:23:23.279 I just feel that we're now no longer aiming the show at eight to 12 year olds, right? 365 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:26.579 I think we've shifted to it up, up. 366 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:33.240 And I think that's going to come and bite the show in the bum in a couple of years time, when ratings do suddenly take a dive. 367 00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:34.799 Like we're not renewing that younger audience. 368 00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:45.180 We've got the next, we've got an audience that we, that we, that might have been around with John in the 10th season and in his last years are now getting older and they're going to move on and go out with their friends and that sort of thing. 369 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.779 And we're not we're already seeing ratings beginning to erode. 370 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:50.160 Um, this season. 371 00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:53.099 There's only 2 episodes in the entire season, over 10 million. 372 00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:53.700 Right. 373 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:56.220 So there is a shrinkage happening. 374 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:02.880 And we talk about the fact that canines is for the kids and there's childish things going on, but it's really not that childish. 375 00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:06.000 And I think it is aiming for a different audience. 376 00:24:06.059 --> 00:24:08.759 Let's compare it to season 12, right? 377 00:24:08.819 --> 00:24:11.579 Season 12 is, you know, the beginning of the Hinchcliffe here. 378 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.599 Tom's 1st year. 379 00:24:12.660 --> 00:24:20.099 And at the time we talked about how kind of horrifying it was and suggested maybe it was a bit too scary for children. 380 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:25.559 But the stories are overwhelmingly, aliens in monster suits. 381 00:24:25.619 --> 00:24:26.519 Do you know what I mean? 382 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.960 Like in Daleks and Cybermen, and all of those traditional Doctor Who aliens? 383 00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:35.400 There are no traditional Doctor Who aliens this season at all. 384 00:24:35.460 --> 00:24:37.200 Do you know what I mean? 385 00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:39.119 The Tyran would beast doesn't count, Todd. 386 00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:41.579 No, I was thinking of Kroll actually. 387 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:46.259 Yeah, yeah, but I mean, Proll isn't a man in a suit or a race of aliens or anything like that. 388 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.059 The stories are about people. 389 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:49.019 Yeah. 390 00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:49.559 Yeah. 391 00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:52.559 And so so I can kind of see that. 392 00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:57.180 But nevertheless, I think the show is really fun to watch and maybe, maybe you're right. 393 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:01.319 Maybe it is pitched a little bit older than it has been in the past. 394 00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:03.900 Yeah, I'm not saying I don't enjoy it. 395 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:08.099 Like, I've enjoyed watching this story, you know, and I think there's a lot of fun elements. 396 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:15.660 I think that as we've discussed, there's some elements that, for me, just don't quite work at the same level as a few of the stories around it. 397 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:20.759 But I think, you know, kudos to Anthony Reid for getting Douglas Adams in and making this story work. 398 00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:31.619 Vai Delmar is, of course, the old Queen Zangxia sitting in the chair, who has such great things as David Warwick standing right next to her and saying, Well, that old hag. 399 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:33.359 Can she hear me? 400 00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:36.299 And, of course, got paid an extra fee. 401 00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:42.900 Because they asked her, will you remove your false teeth to look particularly emaciated? 402 00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:45.000 And she said, yes, but only if you pay me more money. 403 00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:52.380 I'm only appearing on television, in a chair, not doing anything with my teeth out, if you pay me more, and they did. 404 00:25:52.500 --> 00:25:54.480 They paid her an extra fee. 405 00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:58.500 I hope they paid Binroe more for having his forced teeth out the previous story. 406 00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:01.859 I think, though, that was his suggestion. 407 00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:06.539 A couple of years ago, I was an extra on rescue special ops. 408 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.700 Yeah, that was fun. 409 00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:20.460 And a friend of mine, Adam, got me into that and we were sitting in the makeup chairs and the makeup girls were great because we were part of a Mardi Gras float that had overturned. 410 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:22.200 So everyone had to have different injuries. 411 00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:24.119 So the makeup girls were saying, what injury would you like? 412 00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:26.880 And so they gave me this head wound. 413 00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:29.940 So like half my face was covered in blood. 414 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.960 And Adam, they said to him, well, what kind of injury would you like? 415 00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:35.700 And he said, well, how about you do something with this? 416 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:37.380 And his 2 front teeth? 417 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:37.920 on the top? 418 00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:40.920 He had lost a few years previously and he just pulled out the prosthetic. 419 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:42.900 And the make-up girl said, oh, God, yes, I can do that. 420 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:43.440 I can do that. 421 00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:44.940 But for now, put them back in, put them back in. 422 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:50.099 So he just had this blood. coming down from his mouth. 423 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:54.480 It was quite graphic, and we were, like, we were one, we were one minute of the episode. 424 00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:55.859 We were the pre-title sequence. 425 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:01.740 And there was this drag queen suspended above a thing in Fox Studios. 426 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:04.619 Nothing to do with the pirate planet, just to do with false teeth, really. 427 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:09.900 I never realised that the captain's boots are huge platforms. 428 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.059 Did you did you say that when you were watching it? 429 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:13.680 They're really quite cool. 430 00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:17.700 Yeah, they only show they only show them, I think, once when he's making the doctor pick something up. 431 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:28.259 But yeah, at one point, after the doctor's gone off the plank and you got him standing up there next to Rosalind Lloyd and Mr. Fibbly, who are both quite short anyway, really emphasises his height. 432 00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:29.099 Yeah. 433 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:35.880 But I do like the fact that this story integrates that you've got location work, you know, you see them... 434 00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:38.700 In fact, there's an old mine and everything there's building. 435 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:46.799 Yeah, to go down and seek califracts into the mine and then and then Muller, Muller, whatever her name is, walking along with K9 and the mentiads. 436 00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:49.019 It's just nice to have some location work in there. 437 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.140 In fact, can we talk very quickly about the end? 438 00:27:52.200 --> 00:28:02.279 I'm a huge fan of the end of this story, partly because they decide to blow the bridge up just with dynamite. 439 00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:14.339 You know, there's, like, no, like, there's a big wire that they're playing out and then a box with a plunger handle and everything, and I think that that's a fantastic way to go if you're going to have your episode for explosion. 440 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.839 Let's just have it an explosion rather than an implosion or anything, sort of particularly silly. 441 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:24.000 Yeah, the computer is computer, far too much computer stuff and therefore it has to explode. 442 00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:24.420 Yeah. 443 00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:30.119 But the other thing I like is that they just take getting califrancs as red. 444 00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:40.680 So we don't actually get the scene, this story where you put the tracer on the thing and it turns into the key to time thing where you hold that over until, you know, next week. 445 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:49.079 And it's just the doctor and Romana waving goodbye and they're heading off to get the 2nd segment, which they'll eventually get. 446 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:55.920 And I think I think the season does a good job of not allowing the key to time thing to deform the stories. 447 00:28:55.980 --> 00:29:01.619 But also, too, I mean, could you imagine on their budget trying to make that happen with the whole planet? 448 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.200 I'm still going, smart move. 449 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:14.700 And something that's quite nice about not the very end, but when the doctor kind of says, well, I dropped the planets into the hyperspatial force shield and fling them off into the vortex ready for us to pick up later. 450 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:21.839 And Romana says something winds off, yes, that's quite impressive, which throws back to I was almost ready to be impressed. 451 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:37.019 Do you know, for me, actually, that's one of the weaknesses of the story is that the resolution is the doctor and Romana standing in the TARDIS talking a whole bunch of techno babble while a terrible special effect takes place on the screen. 452 00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:43.140 And it doesn't seem to be anything that the characters do beyond kind of pushing buttons and stuff like that. 453 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:47.400 And that does happen a little bit too often, this era. 454 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.519 It certainly was a huge flaw in some of the stories last year. 455 00:29:50.579 --> 00:29:57.000 But it is something that we do get a bit of, and it's something that Bob Holmes is going to make terrible fun of later in the season. 456 00:29:57.180 --> 00:30:05.640 But just before we go, there's two things I want to mention about the sort of climax of the story, with the doctor and Romana being mirrorlond to death in the TARDIS. 457 00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:11.160 That's another moment which I think is particularly well acted, because you've got the doctor doing the psychic thing. 458 00:30:11.220 --> 00:30:14.819 So Romana's piloting the TARDIS and shouting out at me, no, you can't do that. 459 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:15.420 We'll blow up. 460 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:19.019 And, you know, so, but accepts that it's the heroic thing to do. 461 00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:24.779 This is also the scene which has given rise to Spannagate. 462 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:26.700 Have you heard of Spannagate? 463 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:27.299 No. 464 00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:30.000 Kita Time has had 2 DVD releases. 465 00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:35.579 It was released 1st in America, I think, in 2001, when the Dr. DVD range was starting in America. 466 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:40.079 Warner Home Video, who released it over there, wanted a full season box set to be able to release. 467 00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:42.539 So it was very basically cleaned up. 468 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:44.579 It came with comedy, wasn't it? 469 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:45.480 Vanilla. 470 00:30:45.539 --> 00:30:46.440 It did have commentaries, though. 471 00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:52.500 So commentaries on each story with Tom on 3 of them, Mary on 4, I think, et cetera, et cetera. 472 00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:54.359 This story didn't have either of them. 473 00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.079 It had Bruce Purchase and Pennant Roberts, the director, and it was also the only story. 474 00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:58.920 It was special features. 475 00:30:58.980 --> 00:31:01.380 It just had the raw film trims of the exterior footage. 476 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:08.880 Now, when it came time to be released properly as part of the range with full-blown special features and what have you, they had all the film trimmings, of course. 477 00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:15.240 And when they had the film trimmings, they recreate as much as possible, any effects done on film. 478 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.380 So for that scene with the doctor and prolix superimposed. 479 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.859 Yeah, the scene you really don't like, and the floating spanner. 480 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:24.240 They had to recreate that. 481 00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:31.500 Now, in the original version, the spanner after it hits, the explosion goes off and about half a 2nd later the spanner disappears. 482 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.920 Oh, and they added a spanner that flies off. 483 00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:36.000 Yeah, pretty much. 484 00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:42.059 They took the original spanner, they had it hit, and when the explosion goes off, the spanner spins and flies off. 485 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:43.980 It lasts the same amount of time. 486 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.960 It's about half a 2nd but it doesn't just disappear. 487 00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:52.140 So Steve Robertson, the restoration team revealed that they'd done that as part of their, as part of their website. 488 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.299 They had a website they updated with the notes. 489 00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.420 The internet went insane. 490 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.240 And it became known as Spanagate. 491 00:32:00.299 --> 00:32:11.579 All these people like, no, you must present it as an alternate option like you do for all the other special effects, and Steve Roberts was coming in and saying, you want us to have an alternate option for a half 2nd clip. 492 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:12.960 No, we're not doing that. 493 00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:14.160 Okay, then put it back the way. 494 00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:15.720 Well, no, it's gone off for duplication. 495 00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:17.160 Live with it people. 496 00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:18.180 What's wrong with you? 497 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:31.259 But to this day, when, sort of, some of the new series DVDs, for instance, some of the, like, comic relief things, what have come out with the wrong music or the wrong sound effects. 498 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.599 People always refer back to Spanagate. 499 00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:40.140 So, are you saying to me that the version I just watched actually has this spinning spinner and it's not supposed to. 500 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:41.220 Yeah, that's right. 501 00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:42.539 Oh my goodness. 502 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:43.319 I feel cheated. 503 00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:46.140 Yes, I'm going to post something to the internet. 504 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:08.279 I've asked you, listeners, that's all the time we have for the Pirate Planet, but do join us next week for the stones of blood. 505 00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:15.539 You can find us online at flightsthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. 506 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.460 Don't forget, bondfinger.com. 507 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:25.500 You can download all of our James Bond commentaries, and you can find us as Bond Fingercast on Twitter and Bond Finger on Facebook and iTunes. 508 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:30.420 Until next week, may your polarphase Avatron not make a yellow laser mess on the floor. 509 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.460 I'm Brendan, thank you very much and good night. 510 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:32.940 Good night. 511 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:33.779 See you soon. 512 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:41.519 That was Flight Through Entirety with Todd Beelby, Nathan Boffley, and Brendan Jones. 513 00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:47.099 This episode, Bucks Fizz, was recorded on the 4th of October. 514 00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:50.099 The next episode will be released on December 20th. 515 00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:55.980 You may find our podcast crude, but we hope that was immensely satisfying. 516 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.579 Where's the toilet still going? 517 00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:05.519 Do you want me to go and deal with it? 518 00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:07.740 Oh, just sort of, um, press the button halfway down. 519 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:08.039 Yeah. 520 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.460 Not actually, it's not coming through. 521 00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:12.780 The mic's, which is good, but yeah. 522 00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:17.820 It's all happening, dear listeners. 523 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.239 See, now I can hear it.