WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:23:47 1 00:00:28.620 --> 00:00:37.020 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who's been arrested in New York for carrying a sausage sandwich. 2 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:37.679 I'm Brendan. 3 00:00:37.740 --> 00:00:38.640 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:39.719 I'm Todd. 5 00:00:39.780 --> 00:00:46.320 And we are heading off to the roll right stones, which are quite deadly because they are the stones of blood. 6 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:53.159 So, it's the 100 story. 7 00:00:53.219 --> 00:00:54.600 So, congratulations. 8 00:00:54.659 --> 00:00:59.280 We've actually talked our way through 99 stories, and this will be our 100th one. 9 00:00:59.340 --> 00:01:00.600 So happy birthday to ask. 10 00:01:00.659 --> 00:01:03.960 Yes, and just like Tom Baker in this, we're not getting a cake on top. 11 00:01:04.019 --> 00:01:06.780 No, they were going to have a cake, weren't they? 12 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:07.620 And it was vetoed. 13 00:01:07.739 --> 00:01:12.000 Yeah, as being too self-congratulatory, which is probably fair enough. 14 00:01:12.060 --> 00:01:12.900 Yeah, yeah. 15 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:21.420 The other visual gag was going to be, they were going to give the doctor a present, which was an identical scarf to the one he already had, and he'd go, oh, it's wonderful. 16 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:24.959 It's just what I always wanted and it was going to be the stump scarf. 17 00:01:25.140 --> 00:01:28.019 This is a bit of a strange story, isn't it? 18 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:30.900 It's our 1st story by David Fisher. wonderful. 19 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.739 Yeah, and he'll go on to contribute to the program over the next couple of years. 20 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.900 He'll do Androids of Tara. 21 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:38.400 Well, in fact, next story. 22 00:01:38.459 --> 00:01:41.159 He writes 8 episodes in a row. 23 00:01:41.219 --> 00:01:44.819 He'll do creature from the pit next year in the leisure high of the year after that. 24 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:48.900 And he is the man that wrote the Gamble with Time, which became the City of Death. 25 00:01:49.019 --> 00:01:49.980 Yeah that's right. 26 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:52.799 And of course, did somebody mention the Fumarsi? 27 00:01:52.859 --> 00:01:54.359 Terrific. 28 00:01:54.420 --> 00:02:00.359 It's really hard not to see this script as a kind of commentary on or reaction against the Hinchcliffe era. 29 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:02.280 Much like last season. 30 00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:06.780 I think this is more proof that the Graham Williams era does horror better than Philip Hinchcliffe. 31 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:13.919 What we have here is like a criminal from the past who is masquerading as a god. 32 00:02:16.259 --> 00:02:18.719 I've got my hands in my head. 33 00:02:18.780 --> 00:02:20.699 I never see these things till Nathan starts... 34 00:02:20.699 --> 00:02:21.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 35 00:02:21.539 --> 00:02:22.620 Start talking, listeners. 36 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:23.939 You can't unsee it, can you? 37 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:25.740 But yeah, criminal from the past. 38 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:34.919 A criminal from the past, and then we get a sort of strange Gothic building, like Fetch Priory last season, we get the big whore, which is a beautiful location, by the way. 39 00:02:34.979 --> 00:02:37.500 I just think it looks, it was absolutely spectacular. 40 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:41.879 And we've got a priest and there's a coven of worshippers and all of that sort of thing. 41 00:02:41.939 --> 00:02:49.680 And it seems like just it's not going to be a very good retread of a Graham Williams era thing. 42 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:53.280 Certainly, DeFreeze, the head of the coven is pretty terrible. 43 00:02:53.340 --> 00:02:55.439 So, what? 44 00:02:55.500 --> 00:02:57.120 Yeah, I think he's shockingly bad. 45 00:02:57.180 --> 00:02:58.199 I think he's fantastic. 46 00:02:58.259 --> 00:02:59.879 Oh, he's wonderful. 47 00:02:59.939 --> 00:03:01.860 This is my favourite story of the key to time. 48 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:02.460 Is it? 49 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:04.139 I can certainly understand. 50 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:04.740 I can see that. 51 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:14.520 But what they do is they do the sort of Hinchcliffe thing and then just throw it away unexpectedly halfway through and decide to do something more fun instead. 52 00:03:14.580 --> 00:03:20.699 And I think it's really terrific and it works really well as a sort of commentary on the Hinchcliffe era. 53 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:21.900 Yeah, sure. 54 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.479 Fine. that's how you want to see it in your head. 55 00:03:24.539 --> 00:03:27.000 I just sit back, relax, and I enjoy. 56 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:30.900 And well, there's so much to enjoy, isn't there? 57 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:34.199 I mean, I'm kind of with you, Todd, in that I quite like DeFreeze. 58 00:03:34.259 --> 00:03:39.840 And I think what's so great about DeFreeze is he's set up to be the villain, but of course he isn't the villain. 59 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.939 The villain is Cesare, who we will come back to, because 1st of all, we need to comment on. 60 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.300 Professor Amelia Rumford and Vivian Faye. 61 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:52.620 See, this is a story with a tiny, tiny guest cast, isn't it? 62 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.900 In fact, it's basically just those 2 women. 63 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:58.860 You get DeFreeze and Martha who are sort of horribly healed in episode two. 64 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:03.180 You get the Magara who don't come along until, what, episode three? 65 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:07.139 You get the campers who are just in one scene. 66 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:10.919 So it's basically all rests on the shoulders of those two. 67 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.159 And normally I don't like it when there's a small regular cast. 68 00:04:14.219 --> 00:04:20.040 Like I just tend to think that's, you know, tie semi complained about pyramids of Mars, for instance. 69 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:26.519 But when the 2 characters are so wonderfully fun, it's really, really hard to object. 70 00:04:26.579 --> 00:04:36.540 So you've got Vivian Faye, who is Susan Engel, and she's just arch and wonderful and funny and hilarious. 71 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:44.040 She has an instant rapport with Romana, I think, with a sort of bond over her low opinion of what men are like. 72 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.139 But she's so smooth. 73 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.139 Straight away, you know there's something not right, and I like that. 74 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:53.879 Like, as a kid, I just thought, not just a little bit too sickly sweet and nice. 75 00:04:53.939 --> 00:04:56.579 It's just something not quite right about you. 76 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.319 Do you know what she reminds me of? 77 00:04:58.379 --> 00:05:01.860 She reminds me of that character in K9 and company. 78 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:02.339 Remember? 79 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:03.240 Juno Baker. 80 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:10.740 Juno Baker, who's kind of hits on hits on Sarah, and looks like she's about to invite her to one of their swingers evenings. 81 00:05:11.100 --> 00:05:11.699 You know what I mean? 82 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:13.560 So she's a little bit like that. 83 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.180 And certainly... 84 00:05:15.180 --> 00:05:19.980 Yes, that the sort of leering ways she refers to sausage sandwiches. 85 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:20.819 You know what I mean? 86 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:30.540 Or there's that thing where Amelia Rumford is, you know, offers to allow Romana to ride on the back of her bike and... 87 00:05:30.540 --> 00:05:31.680 It'll be a new experience for you. 88 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:33.660 There's no need to be afraid. 89 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:35.519 Yes, that's exactly right. 90 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:38.220 Oh, I just love her performance. 91 00:05:38.220 --> 00:05:41.879 And I can't believe like, I can't envision anybody else playing that role. 92 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:43.439 But Anna Blackman was offered that role. 93 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.800 And she did not take it because she wanted Professor Rumford's wrong. 94 00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:47.579 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 95 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:48.480 She wrote back. 96 00:05:48.540 --> 00:05:49.439 I read the script. 97 00:05:49.500 --> 00:05:51.720 But I think Bea Lehman will be having all the fun. 98 00:05:51.779 --> 00:05:56.699 Well, that was a big mistake because she'll have fun 7 or 8 years later. 99 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:58.620 Which is a really terrible story. 100 00:05:58.680 --> 00:05:59.699 Yeah. 101 00:05:59.699 --> 00:06:01.500 I love the voice. 102 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:03.839 Interestingly enough, just Avengers connection. 103 00:06:03.899 --> 00:06:06.959 Susan Engel auditioned to replace Diana Rigg. 104 00:06:07.019 --> 00:06:08.100 Oh wow. 105 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:14.279 And the mute footage of her auditioning with I believe it was Moray Lang standing in the steed. 106 00:06:14.339 --> 00:06:20.220 It was either Moray Lang or John Woodvine, both stood in for steed during those auditions, but she does audition for it. 107 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:25.439 So you only see her physical performance, but she's still got that sort of look that Vivian Faye does. 108 00:06:25.500 --> 00:06:28.800 If any listeners who want to try and find that. 109 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:33.060 It's on the UK edition of the Avengers series 6. 110 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.459 I just love her sausage sandwiches. 111 00:06:35.579 --> 00:06:36.779 Like I love sausage sandwiches. 112 00:06:36.779 --> 00:06:39.480 Like as a kid, with tomato sauce, just fantastic. 113 00:06:39.540 --> 00:06:40.259 Bit of onion. 114 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.180 And no, I won't go that far. 115 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:45.779 But I just remember we used to play Doctor Who charades. 116 00:06:45.779 --> 00:06:52.740 And one of my clues in one of our, I don't know, silly objects was Vivian Faye sausage sandwiches, just tickled my fancy that much. 117 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:53.879 I mean that's ridiculous. 118 00:06:53.939 --> 00:06:55.019 But, hey, what, hey. 119 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.480 It's like a good name for a trivia. 120 00:06:57.540 --> 00:06:59.639 It's a good name for pub trivia team, isn't it? 121 00:06:59.699 --> 00:07:01.379 Yeah, yeah, sausage sandwiches. 122 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:02.399 Fantastic. 123 00:07:02.459 --> 00:07:04.860 And of course, then we've got Amelia Rumford. 124 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:06.660 Again, she is just terrific. 125 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.959 This is her last performance and she's terribly old. 126 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:11.939 Gosh, I didn't realise, yeah. 127 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:13.439 I think this is the last thing that she's in. 128 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:20.220 She struggles a little bit with the dialogue at the beginning, I think, and that just comes across as her being an old lady, though. 129 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:21.000 I think that's right. 130 00:07:21.060 --> 00:07:37.319 I bet she, because she's an academic and she gets to sort of rehearse these academic rivalries and past comments on various professors like that fool Lidwell Morgan and talking about treatises and, you know, the surveys and things of the 9 travellers and stuff. 131 00:07:37.379 --> 00:07:40.139 Survey of Dr. Borlays. 132 00:07:40.259 --> 00:07:45.060 And you can see her kind of reaching into a memory for the dialogue. 133 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:49.980 But she's really, really funny and appealing and she's really lively. 134 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:51.839 And, you know, there's a great moment. 135 00:07:51.899 --> 00:08:00.660 I think it's probably an episode 2 or 3 where she wants to go and capture one of the Ogre for the sake of science, you know. 136 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.639 With a trump should. 137 00:08:03.420 --> 00:08:07.920 I've never heard an Evelyn Smythe, big finish audio. 138 00:08:07.980 --> 00:08:10.980 Is everyone as old as Amelia? 139 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:25.079 Evelyn is younger than Amelia, but and far sharper, but the same kind of wit and the same kind of no time for pomposity, you know, very sort of down to earth and what have you. 140 00:08:25.139 --> 00:08:29.220 Because she's not as she's not as fussy as Amelia, but yeah, she's very much cut from the same cloth. 141 00:08:29.339 --> 00:08:36.840 Because Amelia works really well with the doctor, the doctor is so big and so compelling to watch, but she really kind of outperforms him. 142 00:08:36.899 --> 00:08:43.620 She really is able to stand up to his sort of scenery chewing and get herself seen. 143 00:08:43.740 --> 00:08:47.820 I love the humour that I think David Fisher brings into the script. 144 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:51.779 But again, I mean, how much it's David, how much it's Anthony Reed on the same page. 145 00:08:51.840 --> 00:09:00.059 Like, you know, you're talking about, you know, when the doctor's tied up on the stone going to be sacrificed and she she shoes everybody away and she comes, what are you doing there? 146 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.399 Why, you know, and pulls a knife on him. 147 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:06.960 I don't mean to cut him free, but still, so she pulls that next to his face. 148 00:09:07.019 --> 00:09:09.539 And all the and all the stuff she gets to do with K 9. 149 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:10.620 I just think... 150 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:13.019 Yeah, she's a great double act with K9 actually. 151 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:21.179 A real success of David Fisher's scripts, and he'll do it again in all his scripts, is whereas Holmes would give you the double act of other characters. 152 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:28.320 So the master and Farrell or Jago and Lightfoot together or um, Scarman and Su Tech. 153 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:34.440 David Fisher's double acts is pairing up a guest cast member with one of the regulars. 154 00:09:34.500 --> 00:09:41.519 So you've got the doctor and Professor Romford, you've got Romana and Vivian Faye, then you've got Professor Romford and K9. 155 00:09:41.580 --> 00:09:47.580 Because, of course, you know, once your characters are established, it's sometimes hard to find new things to do with them. 156 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:51.120 Tom and Mary are great at finding new ways to read lines with each other, of course. 157 00:09:51.179 --> 00:09:59.759 But instead, if you mix them up with other people and get to see them reacting strangely, especially with the doctor and Romana both being aliens. 158 00:09:59.820 --> 00:10:03.299 And I suppose the spoiler alert, Vivian being an alien as well. 159 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.320 The only sort of real human main character we have is Professor Romford. 160 00:10:07.379 --> 00:10:08.519 And that's the thing. 161 00:10:08.580 --> 00:10:12.899 She is so human compared to the doctor's aliens and compared to his grandiosity. 162 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:14.879 And she brings him down without even trying. 163 00:10:14.940 --> 00:10:17.639 I think that's another difference between her and Evelyn. 164 00:10:17.700 --> 00:10:21.360 Evelyn like sort of tries to bring the 6 doctor down when he's being a bit bompous. 165 00:10:21.419 --> 00:10:35.399 Whereas Professor Rumford, she will brings him down just because she's fabulous in talking about sausage sandwiches and bringing Romana a thermos of tea because men are so unreliable, which brings me to another great thing David Fisher does. 166 00:10:35.460 --> 00:10:45.960 All of his stories have strong, well drawn roles for women, which is something that has been really sorely missing in the last few years of Doctor Who. 167 00:10:46.019 --> 00:10:48.720 So here we have Professor Romford and Vivian Faye. 168 00:10:48.779 --> 00:10:57.720 Even Martha as well, you know, because DeFreeze tries to send her away, but she very much knows her mind and, you know, I won't leave you, but earlier on, no, I won't do this. 169 00:10:57.779 --> 00:10:58.440 It's murder. 170 00:10:58.500 --> 00:10:59.940 You know, she speaks up for herself. 171 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:03.659 She's so bad I'm not going to leave you. 172 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:05.940 Yeah, she's terrible, but it's a great chance. 173 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:13.139 She might be terrible, but the one thing I did notice in this is that, you know, she's willing to speak up and say, look, we've sacrificed chickens or whatever it is before. 174 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:19.919 This is going too far and so I actually, she brings a bit of humanity to that sort of stuff that's going on. 175 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:26.580 So actually, you know, I have a lot more sympathy for her performance this time around than I have had previously. 176 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:29.639 Then we get the campers. 177 00:11:29.700 --> 00:11:33.059 We get Pat and I don't think he's... 178 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:33.840 He doesn't get a name. 179 00:11:33.899 --> 00:11:34.860 He'll be back. 180 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:36.840 She's in Dragonfire. 181 00:11:36.899 --> 00:11:38.039 Well, she's dead in this. 182 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:49.500 As a kid, as a kid, I just kind of thought, oh, well, yeah, he's a bit better than, but it did freak me out as a kid, like, you know, these campers quite innocently, then like just die. 183 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:53.940 And it's happened last year with that poor guy in the woods and image of the fend dial. 184 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.159 That really did get to me. 185 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.440 It's the skeleton hand. 186 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.100 It's the skeleton hand and the screaming and the fade to red. 187 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:03.059 Yeah, yeah. 188 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:10.320 Again, I think it's an example of the Williams era doing horror really well and going with the less is more approach. 189 00:12:10.379 --> 00:12:14.580 You know, you don't you don't need to see their gut spilling out or anything like that. 190 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.580 You get it from the performances. 191 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:21.779 Well, a pity they couldn't have done that with K9 after he's attached because you get all of that ticket tank. 192 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:23.100 And steel wool. 193 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:24.179 They're still wool wet. 194 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:39.960 I mean, it's so unconvincing, and it's so great when Romana goes back to the Tartars with him to have whatever looks like a beta from an electronic whisk, like as she's prodding into, you know, prodding into K9, you think, you know, I kind of think, oh, they could have done a bit better with that. 195 00:12:40.019 --> 00:12:52.080 What they couldn't have done any better with is the giant toppling fibreglass rocks that they decide to use as our enemy aliens for this week. 196 00:12:52.139 --> 00:12:55.559 They're really, really incredibly bad. 197 00:12:55.620 --> 00:12:57.960 No, I disagree as well. 198 00:12:58.019 --> 00:13:04.500 I find them actually quite stunning and I actually get was really frightened as a kid and I really think they look wonderful. 199 00:13:04.620 --> 00:13:05.460 Do you? 200 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:10.740 And I, you know, it makes no sense that rocks move like that, but of course, they're not really rocks. 201 00:13:10.740 --> 00:13:11.879 They're ovary. 202 00:13:11.940 --> 00:13:17.940 And, you know, so I just imagine they sort of levitate very slightly, but some sort of rationing along. actually think they're fantastic. 203 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:18.779 Yeah, yeah. 204 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:19.559 I really, really like them. 205 00:13:19.620 --> 00:13:21.840 I always think they look like they're about to fall over. 206 00:13:21.899 --> 00:13:25.379 Not for a 2nd they look like that they're actually made of rock. 207 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.080 You know, they're like big fibreglass things. 208 00:13:28.139 --> 00:13:31.679 I think they have great sound design. you know what I mean? 209 00:13:31.740 --> 00:13:35.220 I think they're glowing yellow rocks is mental. 210 00:13:35.460 --> 00:13:38.340 Maybe, but I disagree with you. 211 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.080 I found them terrifying as a child. 212 00:13:40.139 --> 00:13:43.080 And I think part of it is the sound design, that sort of heartbeat. 213 00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:52.320 But it's also, as the doctor says, And I think even before the doctor says this line, you realise it as a viewer, perhaps not consciously, how do you kill a stone? 214 00:13:52.620 --> 00:13:54.659 And that's the thing. 215 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.460 It's just a wall coming towards you. 216 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:02.279 Now, in the original script, David Fisher had them toppling over onto people and crushing them. 217 00:14:02.340 --> 00:14:03.960 That would have been great. 218 00:14:04.019 --> 00:14:04.500 Yeah. 219 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:07.620 Yeah, I'm glad they didn't go with that because that would have looked rather comical. 220 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.220 I thought that they were going to be rock men in David Fisher's group. 221 00:14:11.340 --> 00:14:12.539 That was the other thing. 222 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:24.059 And Daryl Blake kind of said, well, look, you know, we can make the suit and it's not going to look terribly convincing and then we've got to have a special effect to get them to morph from the upright thing to the suit. 223 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.220 There's not that many scenes of them attacking people. 224 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:27.779 Let's just have them as upright rocks. 225 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:40.259 And I think it's actually a much better solution because if we think back to the male Eldrad's costume, we weren't we weren't big fans of that as well, and it just would have been more of the same of that. 226 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:43.620 It helps emphasise their alienness. 227 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:45.059 They're not bipedal. 228 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:46.139 They're not binocular. 229 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:53.940 You can't talk to them or reason with them because they don't communicate on the same level of rocks because they're just big rocks. they should come back in a new series. 230 00:14:54.000 --> 00:15:01.620 Gareth Roberts, I think, once wrote a comic strip, must have been Gareth Roberts, but couldn't be anyone else. 231 00:15:01.740 --> 00:15:13.200 Yeah, for DWM, in which the one that the doctor kind of matadors off the cliff gets crushed into sand and becomes sentient sand that attacks people. 232 00:15:13.259 --> 00:15:14.159 Do you remember that? 233 00:15:14.220 --> 00:15:15.059 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 234 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:16.919 I think it was Gareth Robertson. 235 00:15:16.980 --> 00:15:17.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 236 00:15:17.700 --> 00:15:19.620 Oh, can I just say, though, that cliff? 237 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:25.500 There are 2 moments in classic Doctor Who where I did the behind the sofa thing. 238 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:26.700 Okay. 239 00:15:26.700 --> 00:15:29.100 Except in my case, our sofa was up against the wall. 240 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:34.259 So I actually had to run into the other room where you could still just see the TV from and hide behind a bookcase. 241 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:38.399 So we had a bookcase against the wall and I put my head into the Funkin Wagnall's bookcase we had. 242 00:15:38.460 --> 00:15:43.740 My parents had a set of Funkin Wagnals encyclopaedias and just sort of poked my head around until it was done. 243 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.500 It was the cliffhanger where Romana goes off the cliff. 244 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:55.799 I found it really confusing as a kid because Tom, of course, refused to actually participate in pushing her off the cliff and been in those sequences up to it. 245 00:15:55.860 --> 00:16:00.120 And so when she's looking and the voices there, I was kind of going, what's going on? 246 00:16:00.179 --> 00:16:02.460 Now I actually think it's quite effective that it's just his voice. 247 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:04.679 I actually do think it's a problem. 248 00:16:04.740 --> 00:16:09.360 It is hard to tell what's meant to be happening. as a child, yeah. as a child. 249 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:13.740 Now, I think personally, I know the story, I know what's happening, but yes, it is a problem. 250 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:18.360 And then unfortunately you get Mary's scream and she's not really a screamer. 251 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:25.919 And then in the next episode, she spends, I don't know, she must have great carbs or something, but she's on that cliff forever. 252 00:16:25.980 --> 00:16:30.419 And then you get the CSO of the sea, and then that awful shot when... 253 00:16:30.419 --> 00:16:32.220 Yeah, he's pulling it back up. 254 00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:32.460 Yeah. 255 00:16:32.460 --> 00:16:34.620 And the sunset, which just doesn't work. 256 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:36.360 And they just stay on it too long. 257 00:16:36.419 --> 00:16:42.360 It's the one sequence in this whole story that doesn't work because I actually think the outside broadcast stuff because it's done a video. 258 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:43.320 It done on video. 259 00:16:43.379 --> 00:16:43.860 It looks great. 260 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.320 Yeah, yeah, and they have night shoots, you know? 261 00:16:46.379 --> 00:16:51.120 Yeah, they have night shoes. they have some day for night and it's and it's some of the better day for night that I've seen. 262 00:16:51.179 --> 00:16:53.399 I never think days great. night's any good. 263 00:16:53.460 --> 00:16:56.580 It's not great, but it's better than some of the other stuff we get. 264 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.840 I mean, the key for Dave tonight is you either want to have a completely clear sky or a completely cloudy sky. 265 00:17:00.899 --> 00:17:07.079 If you get patches like we saw in Doctor No a couple of months ago, it becomes really obvious that it's that it's day. 266 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:17.519 That cliffhanger, I rationalise to myself as a child in that we don't see who pushes Romana off the cliff, but I never thought it's a projection of the doctor. 267 00:17:17.579 --> 00:17:22.799 I thought, they're using the doctor to call her out there and then someone else pushes her off the cliff. 268 00:17:22.859 --> 00:17:27.119 But then she climbs back up and has the whole thing of, no, no, it was you, it was you. 269 00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:29.759 And as a kid, I just went, oh, okay, that's what was happening. 270 00:17:29.819 --> 00:17:30.420 Yeah, yeah. 271 00:17:30.420 --> 00:17:32.400 I think it's most unclear. 272 00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:41.279 And I think it's very surprising for Tom to say that because, of course, just 3 years earlier, he had no problem playing his robot replica. 273 00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:51.480 Well, what about what about Todd pointed this out the other day in conversation that he's quite happy for the cliffhanger of episode 2 of the next story to run up to Romana and Clubber in the head. 274 00:17:51.539 --> 00:17:52.079 Yeah, yeah. 275 00:17:52.140 --> 00:17:53.279 Yes, yes, yes. 276 00:17:53.339 --> 00:17:54.119 We were talking about this, yeah. 277 00:17:54.180 --> 00:17:57.240 Yeah, I think he was probably just being a bit Tom. 278 00:17:57.299 --> 00:17:58.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 279 00:17:58.079 --> 00:17:59.579 He was just being crunchety, I think. 280 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:02.519 But there's so many nice little things out on location. 281 00:18:02.579 --> 00:18:06.119 Like I love it when he just throws the umbrella away, you know, for no reason at all. 282 00:18:06.180 --> 00:18:09.420 I assume that Romana picks it up on a way back to the Tartist. 283 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:10.380 It is littering. 284 00:18:10.619 --> 00:18:11.160 It did worry me. 285 00:18:11.220 --> 00:18:21.420 Like, I just love the fact that she wears the most inappropriate shoes to measure the ground density or whatever it is that she does and then I don't particularly like that outfit, but I do like the red dress that she comes back. 286 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:21.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 287 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:30.779 Before Vivian Fay decides to get dressed up to look like some sort of owl because that's what you do when you're the villain of the week and pushes her into the vortex. 288 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:37.740 I love that Romana doesn't react to the fact that Vivian's dressed up as an hour because for Romana, that's just, oh, okay, that's evening wear on this planet. 289 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:38.099 Fine. 290 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.200 She did say she'd been a brown owl before. 291 00:18:40.259 --> 00:18:41.819 Exactly, maybe that's it. 292 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:47.279 I just thought the baby instead of goes, oh, what's going on there in the circle, you know, let's go find out and then pushes her in. 293 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:57.119 And so that's when the story takes a big turn because suddenly we're in hyperspace and we're throwing the kind of horror premise away a little bit and replacing it with a science fiction premise. 294 00:18:57.180 --> 00:19:08.400 And I've certainly heard people express the opinion that the 2nd 2 episodes are weaker than the 1st ones, but I have to say that I really, really, really enjoy the 2nd half. 295 00:19:08.460 --> 00:19:10.319 So I think the set is really good. 296 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:13.980 Like the spaceship set is, you know, well designed. 297 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:15.900 We get to see a Wiran. 298 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:17.039 We get to see a Weiran again. 299 00:19:17.099 --> 00:19:18.359 Well, in a cupboard. 300 00:19:18.420 --> 00:19:29.880 It is funny, like, you know, that Romana is in this cell with an Android and there's the we're in, like, there's no continuity between production teams. just like these old things around. 301 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:31.319 We just put them in there. 302 00:19:31.380 --> 00:19:31.799 So be it. 303 00:19:31.859 --> 00:19:34.980 Have you noticed that the Android has really big comedy red lips? 304 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:35.880 Yes. 305 00:19:35.940 --> 00:19:36.779 Have a look again. 306 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:42.480 It's a kraal android, but with big googly eyes and comedy Jessica Rabbit red lips. 307 00:19:42.539 --> 00:19:44.039 It's very strange. 308 00:19:44.099 --> 00:19:52.859 And then suddenly we get the reveal that Vivian Faye, who we know is a kind of man hating villain. 309 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:57.480 She's she killed her husband on his on their wedding night. 310 00:19:57.539 --> 00:19:58.559 Three of them, I think. 311 00:19:58.619 --> 00:20:02.339 Yeah, Señor Kamara didn't make the crossing over from Brazil. 312 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:04.319 It's a great cliffhanger. 313 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:07.079 I love conceptual cliffhangers or reveal cliffhangers. 314 00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:11.279 Things like last year with I've locked the creature in with us. 315 00:20:11.339 --> 00:20:16.380 Yeah, and so this one, it's the series of portraits of Vivian Faye that are all the same person. 316 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:25.319 And originally that was going to then lead into the titles, but the episode was underrunning, so they moved the Romana getting transported scene, which still works as a cliffhanger. 317 00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:27.660 You know, it's it's a double cliffhanger. 318 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:28.079 That's fine. 319 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:32.700 So then we actually get to see her in real life and she's silver. 320 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:49.140 And there's a fabulous moment where in the trial, which we'll get to in a minute where she says, I'm Vivian Faye of Rose Cottage, you know, ask anyone in Boscow and they'll recognise me and kind of go, yeah, but they will kind of thing, what the hell are you doing looking all silver like that? 321 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:50.819 So is she normal silver? 322 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:52.559 And she paints her body. 323 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:53.519 Yeah, foundation. 324 00:20:53.579 --> 00:20:55.920 Yeah, she just puts a lot of foundation on normally. 325 00:20:55.980 --> 00:20:56.819 No, no. 326 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:58.079 The, the... 327 00:20:58.380 --> 00:21:00.059 Of course it's a segment. 328 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:01.619 The segment lets a change. 329 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:13.019 Yeah, because this is the 1st indication we have that the segments have individual property is in and of themselves because Romana comments that the 3rd segment has the power to change objects or at least their appearance. 330 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:18.059 So it's like, well, all the segments seem to have that power, seeing as one of them's been a lump of Jethric, and one of them's been a planet. 331 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:23.759 I like the fact that at the beginning of the story, we have enough time for them to put their segments together. 332 00:21:23.819 --> 00:21:29.880 Ramana can do it and the doctor can't and we get the little recap with the... 333 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.400 Finding the doctor tells Ramana that it wasn't the president. 334 00:21:32.460 --> 00:21:33.720 Thank goodness we get over that. 335 00:21:33.779 --> 00:21:34.380 Yeah. 336 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:35.099 Yeah, yeah. 337 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:39.000 I also quite like in that early on with Romana's outfits. 338 00:21:39.059 --> 00:21:41.940 He sort of tries to walk through and she's like, not yet. 339 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.019 What do you mean, not yet? 340 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:44.099 I'm not ready yet. 341 00:21:44.579 --> 00:21:45.960 What? 342 00:21:46.019 --> 00:21:53.579 The doctor has no idea that we get this great joke that women like to change their clothes and what have you. 343 00:21:53.640 --> 00:22:03.839 But of course, with Romana, one can understand that she is exploring new outfits and new looks because Time Lord Society is so staid and so stolid, you know. 344 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:05.160 The frocks are so terrible. 345 00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:06.240 And the frocks are so terrible. 346 00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:09.180 She just would have had a pink velour number like Rodan. 347 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:15.720 And I'm saying Rodana's Rodan, because of course that's a giant pterodactyl monster from Godzilla series. 348 00:22:15.779 --> 00:22:20.880 No, of course, Roman is trapped in hyperspace. forever. 349 00:22:20.940 --> 00:22:26.759 But of course, here in hyperspace, we do have a trial with a few interesting characters. 350 00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:30.839 Yeah, so Cesare is there looking on the trial. 351 00:22:30.900 --> 00:22:41.519 She's covered in silver and all I can think about when I'm watching her on screen is the makeup lady applying silver to her breasts and what that would have been like. 352 00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:44.279 It's actually a very low plunging taste. 353 00:22:44.339 --> 00:22:45.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 354 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.740 This does not... 355 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:51.119 It's the Magara. 356 00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:54.059 Oh, I love the Magara, the justice machines. 357 00:22:54.119 --> 00:23:03.420 The flashing lights, the little bleep, bleep, bleep, bleeps, and the little conversations, they have like, you know, when the doctor makes his escape, like my eloquent defence of your client and all that sort of stuff. 358 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:04.440 It's just so funny. 359 00:23:04.500 --> 00:23:13.859 And again, I kind of think that they are like Rubik's cube boxes, like actual machines, but you don't see that they've got their chameleon circuit flashing and that sort of thing. 360 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:17.220 So that sort of is hovering in space or whatever. 361 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.559 I think that's a great way of realising them too. 362 00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:23.279 It doesn't work 100% of the time because the actor's sight lines are off and off. 363 00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:30.000 But it is much better than having some stupid ball thing or, you know, something floating in the air. 364 00:23:30.059 --> 00:23:31.019 I think they're really good. 365 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:40.859 And I think it helps the line, you know, where the doctor says, you know, that he's worried that he might be found guilty because they've got a bit of fluff in their sprockets or whatever you've got in there. 366 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:48.420 The fact that they're just sort of a box of flashing lights, you know, that I think that really helps that line work better. 367 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:50.819 We'll get back to the witnesses that he calls. 368 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.539 But the last witness. when he says I have another witness to call and they go, who? 369 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:56.460 And he goes, you. 370 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:59.940 I mean, that always takes me by, took me by surprise as a kid. 371 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:01.079 I just thought it was really, really clever. 372 00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:08.460 You know, and then they go, they're having their little animated conversation about, you know, this is more still regulating, sort of, I just love that. 373 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:13.799 But of course, he does call other witnesses, one of which is... 374 00:24:13.859 --> 00:24:14.279 Oh, yes. 375 00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:16.500 This is Romana, he calls. 376 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:20.819 And, you know, in the guidebooks and the companion books and all of that sort of thing. 377 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:24.180 Romana's name is always given as Romana Verat Trilunda. 378 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:28.319 But in fact, Tom and Mary don't pronounce it that way at all this season. 379 00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:34.019 So she's Romana de Varat Nalunda when she's introduced in the rebos operation. 380 00:24:34.619 --> 00:24:40.440 And here, of course, in the formality of the courtroom, the doctor refers to her as Miss Devaratnalunda. 381 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.180 That's hilarious. 382 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:44.220 Hilarious. just love it. 383 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.920 You know, there's so many good things about it. 384 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:57.660 In a way, I understand when people say, oh, you know, it all goes to hell in the last 2 episodes, but really what it is, it's kind of like the horror premise has played out. 385 00:24:57.720 --> 00:24:59.640 We've had the chase, we've had people die. 386 00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:04.079 So we could leather rinse repeat, but even Hinchcliffe didn't do that. 387 00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:06.900 If you look at Pyramids of Mars, you know, we go off to Mars for the last episode. 388 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:08.640 For a terrible last episode. 389 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:10.019 Yeah, and this is so much better. 390 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:14.339 And especially things like when Romana is asked to call her, call herself a mere humanoid. 391 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.319 She says, I object to the wording. 392 00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:22.740 But in fact, the Megara, ah, great kind of Douglas Adams style creation, aren't they? 393 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:24.660 You know, they're justice machines. 394 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:40.019 Douglas Adams is very much about bureaucracy and the way that systems are cruel to individual people and also about the way that technology gets out of control or, you know, impacts negatively on our lives in a way that we don't expect. 395 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:43.799 So these are justice machines with absolute contempt for humanity. 396 00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:47.880 Like, the only reason to care about justice is because you care about people. 397 00:25:47.940 --> 00:25:49.200 Do you know what I mean? 398 00:25:49.259 --> 00:25:51.900 Because justice is something that you do to people. 399 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.259 So if you don't care about people, if you've got out of contempt for them. 400 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:56.759 What the hell is the point of justice? 401 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:13.500 But these, they have absolute contempt for human beings, and we learn, of course, that they were called in one time by a big galactic federation, and they found the galactic federation in contempt of court, and blew up the entire galaxy, and that's a complete kind of Douglas Adams sort of thing. 402 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:20.880 And so the idea that your legal counsel might be involved in executing you later on, you know, is very much along those lines. 403 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.720 I want to go back to the pronunciation of Romana's now. 404 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.980 Because for me, it'll always be Romana Voltana. 405 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:35.400 And I'm now going to go into sidetrack, which is a bit of a convention anecdote. 406 00:26:35.460 --> 00:26:36.599 I don't know, you should remember this. 407 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.099 Yeah, I remember him very well. 408 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:39.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 409 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:49.380 So Mary Tam came out to Australia in 1993 for convention, which was the 1st convention that I was involved with helping and I was just one of the little clems and he became much more important later on. 410 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:55.859 And I picked Mary and her daughter, Lauren up from the airport. 411 00:26:55.859 --> 00:26:58.920 And Mary was suffering from a throat condition. 412 00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:06.240 She was already very croaky, going from hot to cold, you know, and so I was very green in those days. 413 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:23.579 And so I decided, well, we were going to Parramatta for the convention, which was about a 50 minute drive from the airport, but I thought, oh, no, what we'll do is we'll drive over the harbour bridge and we'll show you the opera house and, you know, a good adding a good 15 to 20 minutes on our trip at that time. 414 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.960 But for whatever reason, that day in Sydney, like this fog just blanketed everything. 415 00:27:28.019 --> 00:27:28.859 You could see nothing. 416 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.259 It was so muggy and hot. 417 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.960 We were so hot in the car and I turned on the air conditioning. 418 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:38.099 The air conditioning had this conniption, which I just, you know, I don't know. 419 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:44.220 All this white gas just went out of the air conditioner straight into Marytown in my face. 420 00:27:44.339 --> 00:27:47.819 Like, it never had it before, never had it since, right? 421 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.420 So I almost gassed Mary Tanned in the car. 422 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.859 But I might have got a handset that show had a throat that was, you know, a croaking voice. 423 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:56.940 So it wasn't my fault. 424 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:58.799 I'm just saying to people who went to that convention. 425 00:27:58.859 --> 00:28:04.799 At that time, Doctor Who was getting shown, I think, on repeats in the morning on the ABC, like really early in the morning. 426 00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:12.720 The cupboard managed to get an announcement to say that there was a evention coming up with various guests because back then, listeners, we didn't have the internet. 427 00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:17.519 So what we had was we had an answering machine service basically ring someone's number. 428 00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:27.119 So, a friend of the podcast, Peter Griffiths, had an answering machine, and they came back to the answering machine in the next few days, and there was this child's voice on there. 429 00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:33.119 I can only imagine it's like that child that becomes the tochlophane in season three. 430 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:43.079 And the child said, oh, hello, I'd like some more information about the Huvention with Joe Grant, the Turlo, and Romana Voltran. 431 00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:48.960 So Roman of Voltana got shortened and became Voltran, so Mary suffered from Voltran. 432 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.400 Yeah, it was a terrible illness. 433 00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:52.619 Terriblely throughout that entire convention. 434 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:59.819 And yeah, she was, she was... 435 00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.480 And if that young child is out there listening to us now. 436 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:08.339 Our voicemail is, no, they didn't leave their number. 437 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.660 It was just that was it. 438 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.779 Hang up, kick goodbye, you know, so they never found out who it was. 439 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:17.039 Please let us know so we can give you information on that convention. 440 00:29:17.099 --> 00:29:19.200 I like Tom's barrister's wig. 441 00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:23.819 But he's pulled off that he has a barrister's wig in his pocket and he just pulls it out. 442 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:24.900 I think that's spectacular. 443 00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:28.680 I have a barrister's wig in my pocket right now, just in case. 444 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:34.559 But I just have all the witticisms and I think that's part of Antony Reid and David Fisher. 445 00:29:34.619 --> 00:29:35.640 I'm not from outer space. 446 00:29:35.700 --> 00:29:36.539 I'm from inner time. 447 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.579 Little things like that, but... 448 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:48.779 I love how the Magara sentence Vivian Faye to 1500 years imprisonment, followed by perpetual imprisonment, and they're to be served consecutively. 449 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.380 Well that's how they do things in America, you know. 450 00:29:52.440 --> 00:30:04.859 I have always quite liked the idea that sometime around 3478, you know, there might be a moment where Sisera of Diplos could escape. 451 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.900 And you know, they could bring back Susan Engle. 452 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:07.680 She's still acting. 453 00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:09.779 I saw her in Midsummer a few weeks ago, you know. 454 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:11.279 You said she's looking pretty good. 455 00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:12.420 She's looking pretty good. 456 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:13.619 I just think it's so funny. 457 00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:19.319 I think it's so funny the way that Amelia just has to redo the whole survey with like Vivian as a stone right there. 458 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:20.940 Three of the other stones gone. 459 00:30:21.059 --> 00:30:22.140 Yeah, yeah. 460 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.700 And then she gets a very, very quick goodbye to the doctor Ramana. 461 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.240 It's very rushed there at the end, but her top is very see-through. 462 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:35.460 Yes, we do get some Beatrix Lehman nipple in that scene, which is a little bit unfortunate. 463 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:36.240 It was very cold. 464 00:30:36.299 --> 00:30:38.819 I don't think she, I don't think she believed in wearing a bra. 465 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:39.480 No. 466 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.799 And I do like it's fine. 467 00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:50.819 I do like the comedy ending with, again, with the doctor, failing to put the key to time together as a jigsaw and giving a withering look to... 468 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:57.599 In fact, I think we call back in the Armageddon factor, and I think Romana has to do the assembly again. 469 00:30:57.660 --> 00:31:00.119 Yeah, it's something that comes up a number of times. 470 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:06.539 It's rather, I think it's quite fun. that she can't recognise what they are, but she can put them together. 471 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.140 And he knows what they are, but can't put them together. 472 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.119 This might be my favourite Graham Williams story. 473 00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:13.500 It's so very good. 474 00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.079 And there's very little to fault in it. 475 00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:23.880 And what there is to fold in it, there are so many other stories guilty of as well, you know, the occasional floppy prop or whatever. 476 00:31:23.940 --> 00:31:27.779 And it just seems like the entire cast had a great time making it. 477 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:38.460 Like the bit where the Magara do go, it's fed up, modulated voices of David McAllister, and Gerald Cross, and they're saying things like, ping, ping, ping. 478 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:39.299 There's my friend David. 479 00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:41.160 Bong, bong, bong, bing, bing, bing. 480 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:42.480 So they're obviously having fun. 481 00:31:42.480 --> 00:32:00.059 And there's the famous story that John Leeson, who was actually in the outside broadcast fan doing canine's voice live, which is lovely, was out one day on a break, taking photos of the stones, and got chatting with Beatrice Lehman about photography and what have you, and she loved dogs. 482 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:01.920 So, you know, in her mind. 483 00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:02.640 Oh, you're a dog. 484 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:03.059 I love you. 485 00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:09.240 At the cast after party, she walked up to him with this brown paper bag and said, this is for you. 486 00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:14.880 Open it, and it was her, I think, 20-year-old Lika camera. 487 00:32:14.940 --> 00:32:17.759 Incredibly expensive, incredibly valuable. 488 00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:19.319 And John's just like, what? 489 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.720 And she just said, oh, I've not used it in years, darling. 490 00:32:21.779 --> 00:32:22.319 You have it. 491 00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:24.119 You love photography so much. 492 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.299 And he just left going, What? 493 00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:30.839 It just sounds like everyone had such a fun time. 494 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.380 And unlike other stories where people say, oh, yes, we had so much fun. 495 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.359 The audience have fun with this as well. 496 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:47.579 And even at the end, even though, you know, Vivian Fey has killed 100s of people either by herself or by proxy through the ogre, you're kind of like, oh, she's imprisoned. 497 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:54.000 And yeah, the professor's lost a friend and she has to do the survey again, but she has an academic reputation to consider. 498 00:32:54.119 --> 00:33:00.299 It's such a good script and I'm so glad that we get more of David Fisher further down the line as well. 499 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:08.579 I just, you know, as Nathan was saying so far this season, every story puts a smile to my face and I'm enjoying Doctor Who again. 500 00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:10.799 Yeah, it really is a fun year. 501 00:33:24.299 --> 00:33:28.740 Well, that is all the time we have for the Stones of Blood. 502 00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:35.700 We will be back next week for my personal favourite ever Doctor Who story, the Androids of Tara. 503 00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:36.299 Wow. 504 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:37.079 Yeah, I know. 505 00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:38.160 That's a big call. 506 00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:39.119 I know. 507 00:33:39.180 --> 00:33:40.380 I will be explaining myself. 508 00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:41.940 Good. 509 00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:50.400 Until then, you can find us at our website, flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. 510 00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:55.980 Over on Bondfinger, we have the 1st 5 Sean Connery films available as commentary. 511 00:33:56.039 --> 00:34:01.140 So that's Dr. No from Russia with Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, and you only live twice. 512 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:07.920 You can find those on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter. 513 00:34:07.980 --> 00:34:12.719 Until then, may all your citric acid products be used in the defence of planet Earth. 514 00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:13.559 Thank you very much and good night. 515 00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:14.460 Good night. 516 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:15.059 See you soon. 517 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:22.739 That was flight through entirety with Todd BLB, Nathan Bottonley, and Brendan Jones. 518 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:28.199 This episode, the full Ed Will Morgan, was recorded on the 4th of October, 2015. 519 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:37.619 The next episode will be released on December 27th. much like hyperspace, we hope that this podcast is a theoretical absurdity that you've always wanted to get lost in. 520 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:45.719 I am on. 521 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:46.320 You are on. 522 00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:46.739 Fantastic. 523 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:53.159 Uh, well, I just need to remember what my, my thing was... 524 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:54.599 Things of blood. 525 00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:56.219 Oh, yeah, I remember.