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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who's allowed to keep our heads.

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We may have a better use for them.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd, and we are about to land on the planet of Tara for my favourite ever, Doctor Who story, the Android guitar.

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That's amazing.

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I think it's lovely.

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I'm really pleased to hear that.

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I didn't know that at all.

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So did the randomiser pick this or did you veto it?

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I vetoed it the same way Richard got the massacre and I don't think either of you have yet decided what you want your chosen story to be.

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Well, I think I want to choose one that's really, really time.

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I can sort of slam it.

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That's just everything.

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This one no, though.

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I think I'm not sure that it's my favourite story, but it is really terrific.

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This is my 3rd favourite slash equal 2nd favourite story of the key to time.

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I will say that I don't think this is the best Doctor Who story.

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I don't even think it's the best Tom Baker story, but it is my personal favourite.

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And I'll talk a little bit about that before we get into the story itself.

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I won't just make this half an hour all about me because, you know, it's not like these podcasts are a vanity project for me at all.

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Anyway.

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But I came to this story, as I mentioned a few weeks ago, I didn't have this one as a kid.

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I came to it, 1st of all, on the DVD, on the American DVD, which I bought in 2002 after it was released, imported through Amazon.

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And at that point, I had also seen the Armageddon factor.

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Someone had given me an off-air omnibus copy of the Armageddon factor.

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Came to it with very little knowledge.

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I knew that it had robot replicas in it, and I knew that it was a key to time story.

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And I just absolutely loved it.

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I sometimes jokingly describe it as the best live action Disney movie ever.

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It is very Disney.

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It's very derivative.

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Of course, it's based on the novel, The Prisoner of Zender, where a traveller in a foreign fairy tale land just happens to be a doppelganger for the prince or the king and has to impersonate him and falls in love with the king's wife, and she realises that he isn't the king and loves him as well, but they can't stay together, et cetera, et cetera.

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But I think it's more than just a copy of that.

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It takes the basic idea of an Android king in this case.

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It also adds loads of other androids into the mix.

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It's, uh, but, but, but hang on, that doesn't explain to me why this is your, your favourite.

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It's my favourite because despite the fact it's so atypical of Doctor Who to do a fairy tale romance, it has all the things in it that make Doctor Who so good.

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So you have the doctor and the companion being split up and having their own storylines.

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You have an interesting villain who isn't just evil, but has ambitions of his own and has relationships with the characters around him, especially Madame Lamia, who will come back to later.

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It has a sort of a sort of straightforward good versus evil plot, but at the same time, the doctor does bring up the morality and the ethics of using Androids as a workforce.

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And, you know, he constantly says things like, you know, it's funny.

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Androids feel that way about people.

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Yeah, so it's got a bit of social commentary in there.

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It's got great performances.

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It's got a very witty script.

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It has a crap monster. in the form of the Taran wood beast.

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And it's really, really well made as well.

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So it's got all the great Doctor Who things, but it puts them into something new.

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And even though it's nicking a plot in the same way that, say, Brain of Morbius, Nick the plot of Frankenstein.

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It's adding enough to it, that it makes it its own story, the same way the brain of Morbius did as well.

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And I think that's the reason why it's my favourite because it's something, it's something familiar and comforting and warming, but at the same time, It's doing new and unexpected things with all those with all those strange ideas.

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I know that, for instance, at the time, it was voted bottom of the poll by the Doctor of Appreciation Society.

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I hate them.

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It's certainly been rehabilitated.

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I think for a lot of people.

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I think a lot of people probably put rhubos operation and stones of blood ahead of it, then it and Pirate Planet, roughly on equal footing, and Power of Kroll and Armageddon Factor underneath that.

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But I personally find it the best story of the season.

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I think something we've been saying these last 3 stories about the fact that Doctor Who is fun again.

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This story this season is the one that embodies that fun the most for me.

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So the 1st time that I realised that this had a bit of a sort of camp, classic reputation was, and this is many years before your interaction with it.

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Do you remember the fans in Todd cottage under scene?

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I do, yes.

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So it was, I mentioned it before on the podcast and it was co-edited by Gareth Roberts.

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And I think one of the issues had on the back an ad for a march on Leeds Castle to demand from BBC Enterprises, the release of this story on videotape.

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It's really, really something spectacular, isn't it?

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There are some other things that I would add, in fact, to what, you said about these stories, virtues, and that includes just the location filming.

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So we mentioned Leeds Castle, which is spectacularly beautiful, and they get to use it during the day and in a night shoot for episode 4, the pavilion of the summer winds on Count Grandall's estate, I think, is beautiful, and it's such a sunny day on location.

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It really, really lifts at the scenes where the doctor goes fishing.

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Again, the locations are beautiful and the whole thing is just is warm.

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Cornell Day and topping in the discontinuity guide describe the story as summery and charming.

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And I think that that absolutely gets it.

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Yeah, I find that straight from the beginning, you know, it's we're taking you on a romp.

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You know, you've got the opening scene with the doctor and canine playing chess in the TARDIS and just very, it's a very subtle thing, but if you look at the chess clocks, the doctor has taken 4 minutes longer on his moves up until that point than canine has.

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And, you know, they sort of have a bit of banter just to get the story going.

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It doesn't have anything to do with the story.

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It reminds us they're looking for the key to time.

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I hope that Romana wanders casually through and says, oh, yes, mate, in 12 moves.

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Yes, and she's in her lovely white frock and then she gets to go into the limbo room to look up what she's going to wear next.

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I just burst out laughing as she goes through da da da.

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Oh, Tahiti and like it's like, well, it's just a graph.

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Yeah, she's not going to go topless this week.

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Oh, and then, of course, then she gets to choose a wonderful outfit that she designed herself.

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And I'll never forget that...

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I asked the question at the convention.

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Did you?

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I was desperate to ask her about her frocks at that convention.

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And I didn't say what the hell was up with that hideous Tara number.

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Well, exactly.

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And I sat there and she goes, oh, yes, I designed one myself, and I went, oh, please don't have to be that awful purple thing.

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And then of course, that's what she revealed.

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I've now, having watched it.

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I actually quite like it.

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It's actually quite good.

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It's the hat I don't like.

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It's very box-in.

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I think it just looks awful, but the rest of it is actually really nice.

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It isn't what everyone else on Tara is wearing this year.

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There's no one else's wearing. remotely like it.

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Where all the little ringlets, you know, that everybody else seems to have like Llami and the ladies at that coronation.

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I do love the fact that it, that you know the doctors, you know, going on holiday.

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You go and find the segment in a key to time.

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It only takes 7 minutes.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I actually timed it, yeah, till she actually finds the segment.

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I think that helps doesn't it?

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That means that we don't have to wave the tracer around for the entire story.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And also, it emphasises what we've been hearing for the last 3 stories, which is Romana saying, but if you just did it this way, it'd be so much quicker.

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What's wrong with you?

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Be efficient.

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So she's better at finding fishing segments.

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Yeah, exactly.

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She's better at finding somebody. and that's exactly what she said.

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She would be.

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And of course, when she finds the segment, she finds 2 other things at the same time.

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She finds the Tarin would beast.

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So it's this week's giant rat in the suit.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And I think it is worse than the giant rat.

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Is it the worst Doctor Who Monster ever?

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Is it worse than the Maya Beast?

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I think it's worse than the Maya Beast.

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Do we just see one or do we see a number on the hill?

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No, we just see one.

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We just see one.

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You're thinking of Blake 7, you know, the episode with the links in Blake 7, which always remind me of Tara Marquis.

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That's why I got confused with that.

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So she finds that, thank goodness.

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Like, it's only in that one sequence.

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See you later.

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And then she gets swept off her feet by Count Grendel of Graff.

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He's wonderful.

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He's a Jeffrey.

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So he's been in it before.

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He's the pilot in the macrater.

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That's correct.

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And he was also a villain a few times in the Avengers most notably in the episode game with Linda Fawson as Tara King.

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He is one of those guys in British television in the 60s and 70s.

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And he's not Peter Bowles from To the Manor born as Rod insisted halfway through the story until he finally said, oh, wait, no, Peter Bowles's nose isn't that big.

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Yeah, he's funny looking, isn't he?

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Because he's sort of dashing.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, he's sort of manly and dashing and stuff like that, but he's got this terrifically big nose and these sort of scary pointy teeth and stuff.

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He is sort of he is villainous looking.

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But you can see that, you know, squinting a bit and maybe he'd be a sort of slightly handsome villain.

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Certainly his plan will later involve marrying people and stuff like that.

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I just like the fact that he's, that he can be charming and witty and, but menacing at the same time.

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I just, I just love the, you know, when he talks about Princess Strella and in quick succession, my fiance, my bride, deceased.

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But I love all that, you know, again, it's David Fisher and Anthony Reid and silly little conversations about Romana's head and, you know, you know, if you damaged your head and all that sort of thing.

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Yeah, it just tickles my fancy.

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That whole scene in Lamia's surgery where, you know, you start off with the mediaeval bed, da, da, da, computer banks and Dudley's music, then gets darker and seedier as well.

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I always love the love it when you've got mediaeval and modern technology juxtaposed.

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And I love the fact that, you know, all the peasants have all this technological skills and the aristocracy just don't have it.

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Therefore, Emma had it sort of saying, well, surely the peasants would be more intelligent and thus overthrow you and you couldn't remain in power because they've got more knowledge and wisdom than you.

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But that's not the way this society works.

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And there's something quite delicious in that.

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I think it also plays just to the strengths.

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Do you know what I mean of the design department, you know, like we are going to see some terrible alien planets later in the season, but because this is sort of based on a sort of fun version of, you know, Earth's history.

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The costumes look terrific.

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The coronation is fantastic.

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You know, you've got this great lavish set.

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All of these people sort of dress, you know, as generals and things.

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Someone's popped in from international rescue.

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Yeah, it's just wonderful.

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You know, just terrific costumes and stuff.

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And it's the same thing that reboss operation did so well by just trying to look like a period in its history.

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They were able to, you know, achieve something that could be that the BBC could afford and that would still look just tremendously good.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We'll come back to the coronation shortly because I want to discuss one of the guest actors. think you do.

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Yeah, but 1st of all, we need to talk about Prince Reinhardt.

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Do we?

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Yes.

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Listeners of Bondfinger will recall that we spotted him in from Russia with love as one of Carrim Bay's sons.

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He wasn't here?

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No, I didn't know.

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No, there you go.

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I'm going to get back and rewatch that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So he's one of Karen Bay's sons in that.

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And God, you know, he has, he must have a wonderful diet because he's barely aged from Russia with love to this.

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And I think there's a very interesting shorthand going on.

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David Fisher is a very clever writer because Count Grendel has this impregnable escape proof castle.

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Prince Rhinart sits around in a hunting lodge.

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He's a bit more of the people.

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And of course, when the doctor starts being a bit snider and talking back to him, and did you notice, of course, when uh, Farrah sets fire to the doctor's hat.

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It's right next to Tom's face. love that line.

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Would you mind not standing on my chest.

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My hat's on fire.

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Wonderful.

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But, you know, when the doctor starts getting a bit cheeky and a bit snied and a bit cross, but has that whole wonderful thing of a 1000 gold pieces.

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Do you think you can buy me for money?

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500 The prince really likes him because he's a man of his word, but, you know, just try and repair our Android.

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If it doesn't work, you can go free.

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Oh, thank you, doctor. the Android verse.

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Yeah, it's really great, subtle comedy.

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I agree with you.

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I think he does a really nice performance and the way that's written, like, you know, Zardic and swordsman for a ready to, well, not shoot first, but, you know, stab first and ask questions later, whereas he's quite willing to let the doctor go along with whatever the doctor wants to go along with because he, you know, there's a bond there.

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And there's been, I read in fanzines and stuff, criticism of his performances, the prince, but I actually think he does a great job, the warmth of that, and as the end.

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I love him as the Android.

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In fact, it's really funny and there's a scene later on where they repair the Android and they both, you know, like all the characters inadvertently kind of treat it as if it's the prince for a second.

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The Android is slightly more what, intelligent?

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Is real majesty?

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Just a little subtleties like, you know, with the Android banging the head and then speeding up and slowing down.

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I really love that.

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I think his performance is one of the joys of his story.

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And I do love the Androids, Joan Crawford travelling turban.

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Yeah, that is inexplicable, isn't it?

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What is he wearing?

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It's very strange.

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The only thing I can think of is it's his only scene on location.

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Maybe there was something up with his hair.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, I do not know.

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But yeah, it makes him look like Joan Crawford with little pencil moustache.

216
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Now there are other androids in the story.

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In fact, there's Mary Tam as Romana.

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Mary Tam is the Romana Android.

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Mary Tam as Prince Estrella, who could be an Android, and Mary Tam as the Princess Strella, Android.

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And, I mean, I love Mary Tan.

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I love Ramana.

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But I'm just going to say the subtleties in her performance at times are a bit too subtle.

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So she's not hugely stretched as an actress by playing the 2 androids.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, because she's been going for kind of emotionless for the last few for the last few stories.

226
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So that's very good.

227
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She does try and differentiates Australia from Romana a bit.

228
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Yeah, and given that...

229
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Yeah, Australia gets about 3 lines as well. yeah.

230
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Look, I mean, it doesn't matter very much, but it would have been fun to see her do something different, but she has decided, I think, to take a 12 months sabbatical from acting this year.

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I think that...

232
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No, no, no.

233
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I mean, and I'm joking about it.

234
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I mean, she's chosen to do what she does before.

235
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Yeah, I think she's chosen, but I think she's chosen throughout the whole season to kind of.

236
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As I said before, it's a performance.

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Do you know what I mean?

238
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It's terribly appealing, I absolutely adore watching her, but it's not really an acting performance in any meaningful sense.

239
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I think it's very much in the mould of Diana Regan, the Avengers.

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I think there's a lot of Diana Regan, Emma Peel, just the way I've said before, I think there's a lot of Mary Tam in Romana.

241
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One of the things as a kid watching this show is when the doctor bashes the Romana.

242
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No, it's the Princess Estrella Android.

243
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Yes.

244
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Right?

245
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Clubs and stick.

246
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Clubs it to death.

247
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We think it's Romana, because we've just seen Romana taken out of herself.

248
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Yeah, she gets released from her side.

249
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Yeah, you know, and Tom has no problem doing this, but, you know, in a previous story refuses to participate in pushing Romana off the... at war.

250
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It's very strange.

251
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I thought it was very strange because, like, she goes up and she's in a speech, she talks about her sovereignty, which I thought as a kid, she was trying to say sovereignty, but the Android got it wrong, like the other Android gets the things wrong.

252
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So I thought, oh, well, it's obvious that this is the Android.

253
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And I believe that up until last week when Nathan was talking to me about it.

254
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Suzerainty.

255
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Yeah, it's an actual separate word, isn't it?

256
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Yeah.

257
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Yeah.

258
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And another thing about that, you know, just because this is my favourite story.

259
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I'm not it's not immune from criticism.

260
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But Romana's taken out of her cell.

261
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So we're led to believe that she is playing Strella in the coronation scene.

262
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The next time we see Romana, the guard takes her to see Madame Lamia.

263
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So we're also led to believe then that, oh, okay, that wasn't Romana.

264
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That was the Android.

265
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Romana's just been brought to Lamia.

266
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How far away is Lamia's lab from the dungeons?

267
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Because in the time Romana has been brought out, had the coronation, where Grendel is at the coronation, we've had the doctor discovering how many more programmed androids might be that as opposed to the really dangerous ones of the unprogrammed ones, obviously.

268
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Grendel's had time to get back from there, you know, we've had another scene with the doctor and then Grendel is back in the lab.

269
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You know, it's it's a real time dilation problem that's just for the sake of the cliffhanger.

270
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It's not enough for me to dislike the story, but I just kind of go, that's a bit of a cheat, David.

271
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Can we go to the coronation?

272
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Yes, I think it's time for the coronation.

273
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So of course, Cyril Shaps is back.

274
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Cyril Shepp survives this one.

275
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So...

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Cyril Shaps, for those of you who don't remember Tomb of the Cybermen and Planet of the Spiders and Ambassadors of Death.

277
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And ambassadors of death, he gets locked in the cell.

278
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With the isotope, the isotope.

279
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I'd forgotten that completely.

280
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So he does tend to get killed, but this is actually a lovely story in which only one person is killed and that's by accident.

281
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And so Cyril Shaps does survive.

282
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And he's terrific.

283
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And it's the archimandrike.

284
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What a wonderful name.

285
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It's great word.

286
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What a wonderful set of hats as well.

287
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He's got all these lovely rainbow hats.

288
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I believe I've heard from somewhere that at conventions he would describe himself as, you know, I did 4 Doctor Who's, and I died in 3 of them.

289
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And then in another one I played a rainbow poop.

290
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That's essentially what the argument right is.

291
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I love his conversation with Count Grendel about stepping forward and doing the right thing and I shall reject the thing through.

292
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Is it?

293
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I, I, I should, I think I shall reject the crown twice.

294
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Yes, he doesn't think he can rely on the argument right to offer it to him. right.

295
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I reject it once because to reject it twice, maybe misconstrued, and I can't trust the archivand right to offer it to be a 3rd time.

296
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And the look on Kostard's faces.

297
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What?

298
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We've got another character.

299
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Is it till?

300
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Is that his servant man?

301
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Has he been in Doctor before?

302
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Yeah, he was the guy who was menaced by the sea devils in the sea devils.

303
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Remember the there's 2 people on the rig, one of whom's killed and the other one.

304
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Yeah, okay.

305
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So that's him.

306
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But he also played Jab of the Heart in Star Wars.

307
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So you remember before the special edition of Star Wars, Jab of the Hut didn't appear in the original Star Wars, but they did shoot a scene, which was later re put back into the film and he played Jab of the Hut in that scene as a human.

308
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And then they put a CG puppet over it and it's a terrible, terrible artistic choice and why is it even there?

309
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Can I go on about that?

310
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So he played Jab Bahan in Star Wars originally.

311
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So there you go.

312
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Now we've got Zadec and Swordsman Pharaoh.

313
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Yeah, they're pretty forgetable, I think.

314
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Oh, oh, well, the thing is, I think they are just, they are just well balanced enough.

315
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They fade into the background enough because they are supporting characters, but when they get their moments to play, they play them very well.

316
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Cornell Day and topping and the discontinuity guide conclude that Tom constantly tries to make Simon Lack, who's playing Zadec laugh in all their scenes together without success.

317
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I'm genuinely not sure how much of that is Tom the actor or the doctor is the character realising, oh, this fellow's very stiff and whatnot.

318
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I'm going to try and make him laugh, but yeah, Simon Lack is just brilliantly po-faced about the whole thing.

319
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And Farrah, on the other hand, you know, he's the young brash lieutenant and plays that part very well.

320
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I quite like how he learns not to draw his sword when canine's around.

321
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Yes, yeah, yeah.

322
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Is he a good hunting dog?

323
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My favourite moment between the 2 of them is at the end of episode three, beginning of episode four.

324
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So after Romana's gotten away, and she's back at the hunting lodge, and Grendel kidnaps her again, because that's what you do in these stories.

325
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There's a bit where Farrah sees Grendel approaching and says, it's someone under a flag of truce.

326
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It's Grendel.

327
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I'll kill him.

328
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And Zadec says, not if he's under a flag of truce, you won't.

329
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You know, we do the honourable thing.

330
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You know the articles of war.

331
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After he's made off with Romana.

332
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Zadec says something lines off.

333
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We should have killed him. flag of truce or no flag of truce.

334
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And there's just this little look from Farah.

335
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Like, I said that.

336
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I completely, and you know, it's entirely from the actor.

337
00:22:31.980 --> 00:22:34.980
It's not in the script, but it's just, just suggested that.

338
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It's a little that little plot thing where he kidnaps Romana from back at the outer room.

339
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It's very quick that he gets her onto the horse and that sort of thing. a little bit... a bit of a surprise.

340
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I quite like that, though.

341
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And I like the fact she comes on a white horse to rescue the dog.

342
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And she gets on the horse and she can't make like her way of getting it to go is just by going, go, go, you stupid thing.

343
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And she inadvertently kicks it in the side and it goes.

344
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And we get them to pay off to that. the doctor saying, I hope you know how to stop this thing.

345
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That's right.

346
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It's wonderful.

347
00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:12.839
But so he kind of unexpectedly captures her, but that's okay.

348
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:16.440
I think we can forgive it and I don't think we necessarily need to see it.

349
00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:17.579
Yeah, yeah.

350
00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:26.880
It's really good to see Tom actually doing some sword fighting, I think, rather than having Terry Walsh to do sort of fighting. you know, later on.

351
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It's actually good to see that.

352
00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:30.720
But explain to me something.

353
00:23:30.779 --> 00:23:35.579
We've got the clock, which I think is a wonderful clock, you know, with all going. yeah, yeah, yeah.

354
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:40.799
And they go out to meet Madame Malami is meeting the doctor at midnight.

355
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But it's like the middle of the dark.

356
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:45.420
No, no, no.

357
00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.099
They were to meet at midday, weren't they?

358
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.380
No, no, no, no, but they turn up early.

359
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The doctor turns up early and Lamia then goes in just to survey and inspect the place and the doctor slams the door on her and he kind she kind of says, you're early and he says, well, you're early.

360
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Shall we just do it?

361
00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:02.099
So they're early by about 10 hours.

362
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

363
00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:04.980
So they do that in the dialogue.

364
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:06.839
He turns up to lie in wait for a certain day.

365
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I knew that they were early, but I just kind of was going like, it's so bright early.

366
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It is very early.

367
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And, you know, they brought the Android with them and everything.

368
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:16.799
I would like to talk about Lamia.

369
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I do think it's a wonderful character because, of course, as I mentioned in the novel prisoner of Zenda, there's this whole unrequited love angle, but that's with the hero.

370
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So here, David Fisher has flipped that round and it's unrequited love with the villain.

371
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He is so dismissive of her love that he just brings it up in casual conversation that, oh yeah, yeah, she fancies me.

372
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I showed her a certain courtesy once.

373
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Yeah.

374
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Oh, it's so it's so nasty.

375
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And then when Romana's kind of saying, look, let me go.

376
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I can't I can't do anything to you.

377
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And she's like, well, no, I can't, you know, you're against you're against Grendel.

378
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Well, he doesn't have you don't exactly have him at the moment.

379
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He just using it.

380
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That's better than nothing.

381
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:57.599
It's so heartbreaking.

382
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:07.619
And it's kind of that weird thing of, we've discussed the Becadell test in Doctor Who before, and there's a website devoted to it as well, which we'll put up on our site.

383
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:16.380
But I think this is a really powerful moment between 2 female characters and, you know, Doctor Who doesn't discuss love very often.

384
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It usually only discusses it when a companion's leaving because they're getting married off to someone.

385
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But it's a moment of emotion between a downtrodden character and a character who has not shown much in the way of emotion, but seems to understand what Lamia feels.

386
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.519
You know, as soon as Lamia brings that up, Romana stops arguing.

387
00:25:38.579 --> 00:25:40.019
She knows she's not going to get anywhere.

388
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.539
Of course, it doesn't pass the Bechdell test, does it?

389
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Because they're talking about a man.

390
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.200
But the thing is, they also have discussions about the key to time.

391
00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:52.740
And my point was that even though it breaks that rule of the Becadell test, I still think it's a powerful scene for the 2 actresses.

392
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.799
I think it is nice to give like something.

393
00:25:55.859 --> 00:25:57.900
It just adds texture, do you know what I mean?

394
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:59.940
to give her that unrequited love.

395
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:04.140
Yeah, it's nice to see a scientist that is a woman.

396
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:05.400
Yeah, I think so too.

397
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:12.119
But, I mean, Grendel doesn't think much of her because, like, when she comes running out of the hut, She gets shot and then it cuts to him.

398
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:14.819
Oh, madam, watch out for Madam Lami, it's all too late.

399
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.299
Yeah, I think he's, I think he is affected by it.

400
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:19.079
Oh yeah, definitely.

401
00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:21.900
Because later on when he's shouting at Ramana.

402
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:29.160
Like, he said, he says Madame Lamir is dead, and Paul's just almost imperceptibly for a 2nd and the Android will never be completed.

403
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.819
It's, again, it's subtle, it's subtext.

404
00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:35.940
I do find that death hideously unfair.

405
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:41.700
It's one of the most unfair deaths ever in Doctor Who. you know, of all the characters in the story.

406
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:46.980
Yes, she's on the bad guy's side, but she's on the bad guy's side because she can't help herself.

407
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.079
You know, she knows she's in a bad situation.

408
00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:50.759
She's said as much.

409
00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:53.220
But that's...

410
00:26:53.220 --> 00:27:00.539
To be mawkish, that is the power of strong emotion, that is the power of her love.

411
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It will keep her in the situation.

412
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:02.279
And.

413
00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:09.720
The thing is, like, I don't, I don't look at David Fisher and go, oh, you're a horrible person for doing this is like, well, you know what?

414
00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:13.380
Yes, it's a horrible thing that happens and horrible things do happen.

415
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:22.259
I think it should have been remarked upon more in the story, especially from Romana, because Romana actually had some time with her.

416
00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:27.599
And, you know, it maybe if when Grendel says Madame Limir is dead and the Andro will never be completed Romana.

417
00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:29.400
I should have said, oh, yeah, and that's all you care about.

418
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:46.920
I like that there's some stakes to the death and some emotional weight to it that we care about it, you know, all too often, particularly in the Hinchcliffe theory, there would be just characters who are nothing more than a name and a sort of vague acting performance who are mowed down.

419
00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:50.700
But this is a character who has relationships with the other characters and stuff.

420
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.420
And I like that it's an accident and I like it's the only death.

421
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.000
You know, the stakes are not high in this story.

422
00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:58.980
It's who will rule one planet?

423
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:00.000
Yeah.

424
00:28:00.059 --> 00:28:03.539
Something that happens under Graham Williams is that death is given a lot more weight.

425
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:08.880
So, you know, you've got her death this year, you've got the death of Ben Roe.

426
00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:13.559
You've got the death of Mr. Fibrilli, which is very palpable that we commented on a few weeks ago.

427
00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:21.359
We got the campers last week who, you know, we don't even know who they are and it's very affecting because it's so horrifically done.

428
00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:25.019
Compare that to Lawrence.

429
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:37.380
Scarman. you know, which is still affecting and it's still sad, but I don't, I think these deaths are sadder and they're more palpable and we've gotten, we can relate to these characters more.

430
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.119
I can't quite put my finger on why.

431
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:48.359
But I just think that Death, which has always been part of Doctor Who is just better handled in Under Graham Williams, and it was under Philip Hedgworth.

432
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:59.579
Taking a different sort of tech on a few things, we do get a few sort of dodgy special effects like canine having to cut out the back of the pavilion to get out.

433
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:15.539
And you've also got, I think one of the things, you know, Doctor Who's trying its utmost with the technology, when you've got the real person playing dandroid and then moments before they get killed, it cuts to the actual dummy.

434
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.819
Like, you don't mean George, like when...

435
00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:19.140
Yeah, if you get spear and that sort of thing.

436
00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:32.099
Like, like these days it'd be seamless, but of course, back then it's like, you know, one moment where they act in the next, it's like, well, you know, and then poor Neville Jason has to sit there with a spear coming out of it for the next seat.

437
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.259
I mean, it's not that big a deal.

438
00:29:34.380 --> 00:29:38.220
This isn't a story that really has very much in the way of special effects.

439
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:42.480
There's a little bit of split screen for the robot replicas, but not very much.

440
00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:44.460
And the split screen's well done.

441
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:45.420
Yeah, yeah.

442
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.240
There's one example of the split screen going wrong.

443
00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:54.539
And that's some, in one of the last few scenes when Romana and Strella are doing cross ditch together, which is wonderful.

444
00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:57.359
And you've just got Costa and still semiconscious in the corner.

445
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.000
And it's just Rimada, practising cross stitch.

446
00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:01.619
It's so Avengers.

447
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:05.519
But when the doctor bursts in, the door actually disappears because it goes...

448
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:07.259
It goes over the other side of the screen.

449
00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:11.460
It's hard to see because, you know, it's brown on brown, but have a look at it next time you watch it.

450
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:26.099
The other kind of main special effect in this, the swords and crossbows, the energy weapons, and I personally feel that the crossbows are influenced by Star Wars, because Chewbacca has his bowcaster, which is an electronic crossbow.

451
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.619
Well, I think an electronic sword. you know what I mean?

452
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.559
Even though the whole idea is different from a lightsaber.

453
00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:35.339
There's no way that wasn't, you know, a lift from Star Wars as well.

454
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:42.180
And I mean, Star Wars is kind of trying to do that mythical swashbuckling thing, but in a science fiction context.

455
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:43.200
Do you know what I mean?

456
00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:49.440
So even the idea, not the tone in any way or the way it's realised, but certainly that idea.

457
00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:58.799
That's something the Doctor Who's done before and done very recently, even in something like underworld, you know, where you take a traditional kind of story and give it a science fiction twist.

458
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:03.000
So, you know, it's the sort of thing that both Doctor Who and Star Wars do.

459
00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:05.519
I think where it's most successful is.

460
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.319
That's science fiction twist.

461
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:11.880
Unlike underworld where they try to make every element science fiction.

462
00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:12.960
It's all science fiction.

463
00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:14.940
This is mostly a fantasy story.

464
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.799
Take out the special effect shots of the sword flashes and the Bocast flashes.

465
00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:22.200
They're the only sci-fi elements along with the androids.

466
00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:27.960
Even that in a fantasy setting, you could just translate that as another way to create a magical replica.

467
00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:33.059
And I think that really helps because it gives the story its own identity.

468
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:47.279
And it's something that we will start running into problems with in 2 years' time during season 18, where some would argue that the magic is taken out of the show in exchange for perhaps too much science.

469
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.640
Oh, we're going to have an interesting season 18.

470
00:31:51.539 --> 00:32:07.079
I'm not saying which side of that I'm on, but that is another part of why I love this story so much because it is so unashamedly fantasy, you know, at no point does the script trying to apologise for the heavy fantasy influence or the heavy novel influence.

471
00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:18.599
It takes someone else's idea, certainly, from the Anthony Hope novel, but it adds new and interesting things and it twists parts of the story in a way that loads of good Doctor Who does.

472
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:26.039
And I think it also comes down to the ending, the fact that Count Grendel gets away to fight another day, which often doesn't happen.

473
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:30.779
Next time, I shall not be so ledient to you. so wonderful.

474
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.980
That scene is so funny and it's such a brilliant final line.

475
00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:39.119
He's a great... he's such a great villain.

476
00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:42.720
And you know, he has such glee in torturing them.

477
00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:45.539
You know, like having all those people in his prison.

478
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.160
He just thinks that's terrific.

479
00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:54.420
You know, he's tremendously good humoured and he is kind of horrible, but I kind of secretly root for him a bit.

480
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:55.859
I think he's awesome.

481
00:32:55.980 --> 00:33:00.240
I think possibly what helps the story so much is that everyone wants to be Errol Flynn in it.

482
00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:01.019
Yeah, yeah.

483
00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:03.180
But I'm glad the villain wants Fiero.

484
00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:04.740
The best thing.

485
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.400
I think.

486
00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:07.200
We were talking about the sword fighting.

487
00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:08.400
It's so good.

488
00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:10.980
And I love the way it starts out with Tom being the fool.

489
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.539
He's facing the wrong way.

490
00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:13.440
He's facing there away.

491
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.900
Romana comes up and gives the best sorts, but on Tara.

492
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:16.680
Do you know what you're doing?

493
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:18.059
he just kind of goes, oh, well.

494
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.759
And Mary Temps just looks between them.

495
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.079
Okay, good luck.

496
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:35.759
And you still don't know by the end of the sword fight, whether the doctor's clowning around at the beginning was real or not, because he clowns around, and then there's this look of realisation on his face, and you don't know if that's, oh, that's his fighting style.

497
00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:36.720
This is how he fights.

498
00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:47.819
And then he goes savagely on the attack and it gives Tom the chance to do something that we are seeing less of these days, which it gives him a chance to get really angry and cross.

499
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:54.000
And I like it when it's not happening very often because of course, you know, pyramids of Mars, he's crossed all the way through.

500
00:33:54.059 --> 00:34:00.960
Yeah, but here he just kind of gets cross at the end when the castle's being invaded and he says, listen, Grendon, listen.

501
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:06.960
And it's so powerful because the whole story's been a fun camp romp.

502
00:34:07.019 --> 00:34:14.699
But, you know, the villains being punished now and people are about to be married to each other and then murdered hideously, what have you.

503
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:18.239
So the doctor has to become serious and nasty and whatnot.

504
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:22.139
But then, straight away, he spins on it and, Grendel, you forgot your hat.

505
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:23.699
I love that, sir.

506
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.380
Actually, the sword fight.

507
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:33.840
The Switch point fight is a little bit undramatic at the beginning because they make an inexplicable choice not to score, like not to give it any music.

508
00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:39.480
I really like that, though, because it adds to that whole thing of what the hell is the doctor doing?

509
00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:40.500
That's what you're thinking.

510
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:50.579
And then when he starts fighting back, you see, I think, the 1st genuine look of admiration from Romana, like, you know, she's sort of humoured him previously.

511
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.900
But now, you know, he's not looking at her and she is looking absolutely impressed.

512
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.559
She is impressed.

513
00:34:55.619 --> 00:35:07.079
We get to move the fight outside into a sort of corridor on location, which is kind of dark and then Dudley pulls out all the stops and gives it proper swashbuckling music, which is really fun.

514
00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:12.719
And then, of course, he defeats him and why was he supposed to be good, you know?

515
00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:15.900
He's the best swordsman on Tara.

516
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.880
So I think that that really works.

517
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:22.199
I think Dudley is a good fit for this kind of story.

518
00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:23.280
Yeah, absolutely.

519
00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:25.559
And he's got that lovely sort of...

520
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.840
I think it's almost a loot instrumentation very often.

521
00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:36.119
And then we get the end of the story.

522
00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:39.119
You know, Romana's lost the segment, but the doctor's like, I found it.

523
00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:40.260
You were very careless, you know.

524
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:41.579
I didn't catch one fish.

525
00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:48.840
And then they leave K9, Paul K9, sat on the boat, floating plaintively calling out.

526
00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:53.159
It's the comedy ending without Mary on location.

527
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.880
Because only Tom Piers over the top of the thing.

528
00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:06.780
And the thing is, it's a comedy ending that actually seems to work a bit because a lot of the comedy endings last season, despite the fact that Tom's a very funny person, Louise Jameson's a very funny person.

529
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.900
A lot of the comedy endings last season didn't really work.

530
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:10.920
They weren't really funny.

531
00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:17.940
This one is quite funny because you've had that whole banter between the doctor and canine, like, I am familiar with Bates Masters.

532
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.960
But I like the fact that it's, it ends, but you don't seem saying goodbye to people.

533
00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:27.539
Like it's, you know, they're still there and they have to get canine where it's not just like quickly, let's get into TARDIS goodbye.

534
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:32.219
You know, it's open-ended enough to know, well, that's where the adventure ends and they...

535
00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:35.400
I just like the fact that he's in long shot in the distance.

536
00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:43.199
So canine's really tiny in the shot and he's calling out and then, you know, like he feels a bit sad about being left behind.

537
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:44.880
I think it's just terrifically sweet.

538
00:36:44.940 --> 00:36:51.659
I think as Brendan said, David Fisher does use canine quite effectively in all of his stories.

539
00:36:51.780 --> 00:37:00.840
People complain about, you know, the dog getting them out of trouble, but, you know, the dog only comes into it part of the way through, and I think he uses him very well.

540
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:11.760
I think the last thing to comment on is, you're alive, and you're real, and we have a kiss between Reinhardt, and Strella.

541
00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:12.300
Strella.

542
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.219
You know, it's all right in the end.

543
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:36.480
Hours that I could go on for this story, that is all the time we have for the androids of Tara.

544
00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:41.940
We will be back next week with the Space Pirates Mark II, AKA The Power of Kroll.

545
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.780
Until then, you can find us on Flightthrough Entirety.com.

546
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.519
Todd is looking aghast at my comparison.

547
00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:48.480
Very harsh.

548
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:52.440
I think Kroll is underrated.

549
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:54.360
No, it is, but I've got a checklist.

550
00:37:55.380 --> 00:38:03.480
Until then, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter.

551
00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:10.679
We have 5 commentaries up now on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter.

552
00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:15.119
Until next time, may all your Android replicas not spark and give themselves away.

553
00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:16.260
Thank you very much and good night.

554
00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:16.980
Good night.

555
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:17.760
See you soon.

556
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.900
That was Flight to Entirety.

557
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.539
Todd BLB, Nathan Bottonley and Brendan Jones.

558
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.599
This episode, join Crawford with a little pencil moustache, was recorded on the 4th of October 2015.

559
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.139
The next episode will be released on January the 3rd, 2016.

560
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:40.320
Incidentally, a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you at home will save you some roast Thai and Woodbeast.

561
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.460
Look at how happy you are, Brandon.