WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 16:04:37 1 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:33.000 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety 2 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:35.640 the only Doctor Who podcast who's allowed to keep our heads. 3 00:00:35.700 --> 00:00:37.079 We may have a better use for them. 4 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:38.460 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:39.000 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:39.060 --> 00:00:44.820 I'm Todd, and we are about to land on the planet of Tara for my 7 00:00:44.820 --> 00:00:48.179 favourite ever, Doctor Who story, the Android guitar. 8 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:56.039 That's amazing. 9 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:58.259 I think it's lovely. 10 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.000 I'm really pleased to hear that. 11 00:01:00.060 --> 00:01:01.500 I didn't know that at all. 12 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:05.040 So did the randomiser pick this or did you veto it? 13 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:09.659 I vetoed it the same way Richard got the massacre and I don't 14 00:01:09.659 --> 00:01:12.719 think either of you have yet decided what you want your chosen 15 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:13.379 story to be. 16 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.260 Well, I think I want to choose one that's really, really time. 17 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.359 I can sort of slam it. 18 00:01:18.420 --> 00:01:19.500 That's just everything. 19 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:21.780 This one no, though. 20 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:25.200 I think I'm not sure that it's my favourite story, but it is 21 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:26.099 really terrific. 22 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:30.959 This is my 3rd favourite slash equal 2nd favourite story of the 23 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:31.739 key to time. 24 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:38.939 I will say that I don't think this is the best Doctor Who story. 25 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:43.799 I don't even think it's the best Tom Baker story, but it is my 26 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:45.359 personal favourite. 27 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:49.379 And I'll talk a little bit about that before we get into the story 28 00:01:49.379 --> 00:01:49.799 itself. 29 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.620 I won't just make this half an hour all about me because, you know 30 00:01:52.620 --> 00:01:55.140 it's not like these podcasts are a vanity project for me at all. 31 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:55.500 Anyway. 32 00:01:55.620 --> 00:01:59.760 But I came to this story, as I mentioned a few weeks ago, I didn't 33 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:00.599 have this one as a kid. 34 00:02:00.659 --> 00:02:06.959 I came to it, 1st of all, on the DVD, on the American DVD, which I 35 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:12.360 bought in 2002 after it was released, imported through Amazon. 36 00:02:12.419 --> 00:02:15.599 And at that point, I had also seen the Armageddon factor. 37 00:02:15.659 --> 00:02:19.319 Someone had given me an off-air omnibus copy of the Armageddon 38 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:19.740 factor. 39 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.680 Came to it with very little knowledge. 40 00:02:22.740 --> 00:02:26.819 I knew that it had robot replicas in it, and I knew that it was a 41 00:02:26.819 --> 00:02:27.840 key to time story. 42 00:02:27.900 --> 00:02:30.599 And I just absolutely loved it. 43 00:02:30.659 --> 00:02:33.840 I sometimes jokingly describe it as the best live action Disney 44 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:34.680 movie ever. 45 00:02:34.740 --> 00:02:35.879 It is very Disney. 46 00:02:35.939 --> 00:02:37.199 It's very derivative. 47 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:41.879 Of course, it's based on the novel, The Prisoner of Zender, where 48 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:46.800 a traveller in a foreign fairy tale land just happens to be a 49 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:51.060 doppelganger for the prince or the king and has to impersonate him 50 00:02:51.060 --> 00:02:54.659 and falls in love with the king's wife, and she realises that he 51 00:02:54.659 --> 00:02:58.439 isn't the king and loves him as well, but they can't stay together 52 00:02:58.439 --> 00:02:59.879 et cetera, et cetera. 53 00:02:59.939 --> 00:03:03.180 But I think it's more than just a copy of that. 54 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:06.719 It takes the basic idea of an Android king in this case. 55 00:03:06.780 --> 00:03:10.080 It also adds loads of other androids into the mix. 56 00:03:10.500 --> 00:03:14.639 It's, uh, but, but, but hang on, that doesn't explain to me why 57 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.500 this is your, your favourite. 58 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:20.580 It's my favourite because despite the fact it's so atypical of 59 00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:24.719 Doctor Who to do a fairy tale romance, it has all the things in it 60 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:26.879 that make Doctor Who so good. 61 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:30.000 So you have the doctor and the companion being split up and having 62 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:31.439 their own storylines. 63 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:36.479 You have an interesting villain who isn't just evil, but has 64 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.719 ambitions of his own and has relationships with the characters 65 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.900 around him, especially Madame Lamia, who will come back to later. 66 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:47.699 It has a sort of a sort of straightforward good versus evil plot 67 00:03:47.699 --> 00:03:51.900 but at the same time, the doctor does bring up the morality and 68 00:03:51.900 --> 00:03:55.259 the ethics of using Androids as a workforce. 69 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:57.539 And, you know, he constantly says things like, you know, it's 70 00:03:57.539 --> 00:03:57.719 funny. 71 00:03:57.780 --> 00:03:59.639 Androids feel that way about people. 72 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:03.240 Yeah, so it's got a bit of social commentary in there. 73 00:04:03.300 --> 00:04:04.800 It's got great performances. 74 00:04:04.860 --> 00:04:06.419 It's got a very witty script. 75 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:12.060 It has a crap monster. in the form of the Taran wood beast. 76 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:15.659 And it's really, really well made as well. 77 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.199 So it's got all the great Doctor Who things, but it puts them into 78 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:20.279 something new. 79 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:23.639 And even though it's nicking a plot in the same way that, say 80 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:25.620 Brain of Morbius, Nick the plot of Frankenstein. 81 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:30.600 It's adding enough to it, that it makes it its own story, the same 82 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:32.100 way the brain of Morbius did as well. 83 00:04:32.459 --> 00:04:36.959 And I think that's the reason why it's my favourite because it's 84 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:41.759 something, it's something familiar and comforting and warming, but 85 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:45.480 at the same time, It's doing new and unexpected things with all 86 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.060 those with all those strange ideas. 87 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.920 I know that, for instance, at the time, it was voted bottom of the 88 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:54.839 poll by the Doctor of Appreciation Society. 89 00:04:54.899 --> 00:04:56.040 I hate them. 90 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.519 It's certainly been rehabilitated. 91 00:04:59.579 --> 00:05:00.480 I think for a lot of people. 92 00:05:00.540 --> 00:05:05.100 I think a lot of people probably put rhubos operation and stones 93 00:05:05.100 --> 00:05:08.699 of blood ahead of it, then it and Pirate Planet, roughly on equal 94 00:05:08.699 --> 00:05:13.019 footing, and Power of Kroll and Armageddon Factor underneath 95 00:05:13.019 --> 00:05:13.259 that. 96 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:16.079 But I personally find it the best story of the season. 97 00:05:16.139 --> 00:05:20.939 I think something we've been saying these last 3 stories about the 98 00:05:20.939 --> 00:05:22.259 fact that Doctor Who is fun again. 99 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:26.639 This story this season is the one that embodies that fun the most 100 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:26.879 for me. 101 00:05:26.939 --> 00:05:31.500 So the 1st time that I realised that this had a bit of a sort of 102 00:05:31.500 --> 00:05:35.339 camp, classic reputation was, and this is many years before your 103 00:05:35.339 --> 00:05:36.720 interaction with it. 104 00:05:36.779 --> 00:05:39.300 Do you remember the fans in Todd cottage under scene? 105 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:40.259 I do, yes. 106 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.920 So it was, I mentioned it before on the podcast and it was co 107 00:05:43.019 --> 00:05:45.060 edited by Gareth Roberts. 108 00:05:45.180 --> 00:05:52.019 And I think one of the issues had on the back an ad for a march on 109 00:05:52.019 --> 00:05:57.899 Leeds Castle to demand from BBC Enterprises, the release of this 110 00:05:57.899 --> 00:05:59.399 story on videotape. 111 00:06:01.139 --> 00:06:05.399 It's really, really something spectacular, isn't it? 112 00:06:05.459 --> 00:06:09.540 There are some other things that I would add, in fact, to what, you 113 00:06:09.540 --> 00:06:14.339 said about these stories, virtues, and that includes just the 114 00:06:14.339 --> 00:06:16.379 location filming. 115 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:21.420 So we mentioned Leeds Castle, which is spectacularly beautiful, and 116 00:06:21.420 --> 00:06:25.620 they get to use it during the day and in a night shoot for episode 117 00:06:25.620 --> 00:06:31.019 4, the pavilion of the summer winds on Count Grandall's estate, I 118 00:06:31.019 --> 00:06:35.699 think, is beautiful, and it's such a sunny day on location. 119 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:39.540 It really, really lifts at the scenes where the doctor goes 120 00:06:39.540 --> 00:06:40.319 fishing. 121 00:06:40.379 --> 00:06:45.180 Again, the locations are beautiful and the whole thing is just is 122 00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:45.720 warm. 123 00:06:45.779 --> 00:06:50.040 Cornell Day and topping in the discontinuity guide describe the 124 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:52.019 story as summery and charming. 125 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.839 And I think that that absolutely gets it. 126 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:59.040 Yeah, I find that straight from the beginning, you know, it's 127 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.079 we're taking you on a romp. 128 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.800 You know, you've got the opening scene with the doctor and canine 129 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:08.160 playing chess in the TARDIS and just very, it's a very subtle 130 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:12.000 thing, but if you look at the chess clocks, the doctor has taken 4 131 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.259 minutes longer on his moves up until that point than canine has. 132 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.319 And, you know, they sort of have a bit of banter just to get the 133 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:19.860 story going. 134 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:21.899 It doesn't have anything to do with the story. 135 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:23.579 It reminds us they're looking for the key to time. 136 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.480 I hope that Romana wanders casually through and says, oh, yes, mate 137 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:29.459 in 12 moves. 138 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:31.740 Yes, and she's in her lovely white frock and then she gets to go 139 00:07:31.740 --> 00:07:36.000 into the limbo room to look up what she's going to wear next. 140 00:07:36.060 --> 00:07:38.459 I just burst out laughing as she goes through da da da. 141 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.459 Oh, Tahiti and like it's like, well, it's just a graph. 142 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:43.079 Yeah, she's not going to go topless this week. 143 00:07:43.139 --> 00:07:47.040 Oh, and then, of course, then she gets to choose a wonderful 144 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:48.899 outfit that she designed herself. 145 00:07:48.899 --> 00:07:50.220 And I'll never forget that... 146 00:07:50.220 --> 00:07:51.839 I asked the question at the convention. 147 00:07:51.899 --> 00:07:52.620 Did you? 148 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.740 I was desperate to ask her about her frocks at that convention. 149 00:07:55.860 --> 00:07:59.759 And I didn't say what the hell was up with that hideous Tara 150 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:00.180 number. 151 00:08:00.300 --> 00:08:01.560 Well, exactly. 152 00:08:01.620 --> 00:08:04.079 And I sat there and she goes, oh, yes, I designed one myself, and 153 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:06.000 I went, oh, please don't have to be that awful purple thing. 154 00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:07.860 And then of course, that's what she revealed. 155 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:09.480 I've now, having watched it. 156 00:08:09.540 --> 00:08:10.620 I actually quite like it. 157 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:11.579 It's actually quite good. 158 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:12.600 It's the hat I don't like. 159 00:08:12.660 --> 00:08:13.439 It's very box-in. 160 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:15.660 I think it just looks awful, but the rest of it is actually really 161 00:08:15.660 --> 00:08:15.899 nice. 162 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:19.500 It isn't what everyone else on Tara is wearing this year. 163 00:08:19.500 --> 00:08:22.199 There's no one else's wearing. remotely like it. 164 00:08:22.259 --> 00:08:25.319 Where all the little ringlets, you know, that everybody else seems 165 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:28.439 to have like Llami and the ladies at that coronation. 166 00:08:28.500 --> 00:08:32.519 I do love the fact that it, that you know the doctors, you know 167 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:33.360 going on holiday. 168 00:08:33.419 --> 00:08:35.340 You go and find the segment in a key to time. 169 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.559 It only takes 7 minutes. 170 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:38.100 Yeah, exactly. 171 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.639 I actually timed it, yeah, till she actually finds the segment. 172 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:43.259 I think that helps doesn't it? 173 00:08:43.379 --> 00:08:45.659 That means that we don't have to wave the tracer around for the 174 00:08:45.659 --> 00:08:46.259 entire story. 175 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:47.159 Yeah, exactly. 176 00:08:47.220 --> 00:08:51.419 And also, it emphasises what we've been hearing for the last 3 177 00:08:51.419 --> 00:08:54.240 stories, which is Romana saying, but if you just did it this way 178 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:55.500 it'd be so much quicker. 179 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:56.519 What's wrong with you? 180 00:08:56.580 --> 00:08:57.659 Be efficient. 181 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.000 So she's better at finding fishing segments. 182 00:09:00.059 --> 00:09:00.419 Yeah, exactly. 183 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:02.940 She's better at finding somebody. and that's exactly what she 184 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:03.240 said. 185 00:09:03.299 --> 00:09:03.779 She would be. 186 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.019 And of course, when she finds the segment, she finds 2 other 187 00:09:07.019 --> 00:09:08.100 things at the same time. 188 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.620 She finds the Tarin would beast. 189 00:09:10.740 --> 00:09:14.340 So it's this week's giant rat in the suit. 190 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:14.940 Yeah, exactly. 191 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.220 And I think it is worse than the giant rat. 192 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:18.960 Is it the worst Doctor Who Monster ever? 193 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:21.659 Is it worse than the Maya Beast? 194 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:23.159 I think it's worse than the Maya Beast. 195 00:09:23.220 --> 00:09:25.620 Do we just see one or do we see a number on the hill? 196 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:26.820 No, we just see one. 197 00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:27.840 We just see one. 198 00:09:27.899 --> 00:09:30.600 You're thinking of Blake 7, you know, the episode with the links 199 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.539 in Blake 7, which always remind me of Tara Marquis. 200 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:34.860 That's why I got confused with that. 201 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:37.019 So she finds that, thank goodness. 202 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.340 Like, it's only in that one sequence. 203 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:39.480 See you later. 204 00:09:39.539 --> 00:09:44.580 And then she gets swept off her feet by Count Grendel of Graff. 205 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:45.960 He's wonderful. 206 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:47.159 He's a Jeffrey. 207 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:48.659 So he's been in it before. 208 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.700 He's the pilot in the macrater. 209 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:51.419 That's correct. 210 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:55.320 And he was also a villain a few times in the Avengers most notably 211 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:59.100 in the episode game with Linda Fawson as Tara King. 212 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:04.919 He is one of those guys in British television in the 60s and 70s. 213 00:10:04.980 --> 00:10:09.419 And he's not Peter Bowles from To the Manor born as Rod insisted 214 00:10:09.419 --> 00:10:12.720 halfway through the story until he finally said, oh, wait, no 215 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:13.919 Peter Bowles's nose isn't that big. 216 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:15.960 Yeah, he's funny looking, isn't he? 217 00:10:16.019 --> 00:10:17.039 Because he's sort of dashing. 218 00:10:17.100 --> 00:10:18.000 Do you know what I mean? 219 00:10:18.059 --> 00:10:21.840 Like, he's sort of manly and dashing and stuff like that, but he's 220 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:24.899 got this terrifically big nose and these sort of scary pointy 221 00:10:24.899 --> 00:10:25.980 teeth and stuff. 222 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.440 He is sort of he is villainous looking. 223 00:10:28.500 --> 00:10:31.679 But you can see that, you know, squinting a bit and maybe he'd be 224 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:34.679 a sort of slightly handsome villain. 225 00:10:34.740 --> 00:10:38.700 Certainly his plan will later involve marrying people and stuff 226 00:10:38.700 --> 00:10:39.120 like that. 227 00:10:39.179 --> 00:10:42.539 I just like the fact that he's, that he can be charming and witty 228 00:10:42.539 --> 00:10:45.179 and, but menacing at the same time. 229 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.940 I just, I just love the, you know, when he talks about Princess 230 00:10:47.940 --> 00:10:53.039 Strella and in quick succession, my fiance, my bride, deceased. 231 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.200 But I love all that, you know, again, it's David Fisher and 232 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.799 Anthony Reid and silly little conversations about Romana's head 233 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.679 and, you know, you know, if you damaged your head and all that 234 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:05.100 sort of thing. 235 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.259 Yeah, it just tickles my fancy. 236 00:11:07.379 --> 00:11:11.039 That whole scene in Lamia's surgery where, you know, you start off 237 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:14.759 with the mediaeval bed, da, da, da, computer banks and Dudley's 238 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:17.639 music, then gets darker and seedier as well. 239 00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:23.279 I always love the love it when you've got mediaeval and modern 240 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:25.200 technology juxtaposed. 241 00:11:25.259 --> 00:11:28.139 And I love the fact that, you know, all the peasants have all this 242 00:11:28.139 --> 00:11:31.320 technological skills and the aristocracy just don't have it. 243 00:11:31.379 --> 00:11:33.960 Therefore, Emma had it sort of saying, well, surely the peasants 244 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.840 would be more intelligent and thus overthrow you and you couldn't 245 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.779 remain in power because they've got more knowledge and wisdom than 246 00:11:39.779 --> 00:11:40.080 you. 247 00:11:40.139 --> 00:11:42.360 But that's not the way this society works. 248 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:44.639 And there's something quite delicious in that. 249 00:11:44.700 --> 00:11:47.759 I think it also plays just to the strengths. 250 00:11:47.820 --> 00:11:51.120 Do you know what I mean of the design department, you know, like 251 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:55.320 we are going to see some terrible alien planets later in the 252 00:11:55.320 --> 00:12:00.059 season, but because this is sort of based on a sort of fun version 253 00:12:00.059 --> 00:12:01.980 of, you know, Earth's history. 254 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:03.720 The costumes look terrific. 255 00:12:03.779 --> 00:12:05.820 The coronation is fantastic. 256 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:07.500 You know, you've got this great lavish set. 257 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.259 All of these people sort of dress, you know, as generals and 258 00:12:10.259 --> 00:12:10.440 things. 259 00:12:10.500 --> 00:12:12.720 Someone's popped in from international rescue. 260 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:14.519 Yeah, it's just wonderful. 261 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.399 You know, just terrific costumes and stuff. 262 00:12:17.460 --> 00:12:21.240 And it's the same thing that reboss operation did so well by just 263 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:23.759 trying to look like a period in its history. 264 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:28.980 They were able to, you know, achieve something that could be that 265 00:12:28.980 --> 00:12:32.460 the BBC could afford and that would still look just tremendously 266 00:12:32.460 --> 00:12:32.759 good. 267 00:12:32.820 --> 00:12:33.899 Yeah, yeah. 268 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:36.360 We'll come back to the coronation shortly because I want to 269 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:38.940 discuss one of the guest actors. think you do. 270 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.840 Yeah, but 1st of all, we need to talk about Prince Reinhardt. 271 00:12:42.899 --> 00:12:44.220 Do we? 272 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:44.580 Yes. 273 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:48.179 Listeners of Bondfinger will recall that we spotted him in from 274 00:12:48.179 --> 00:12:50.639 Russia with love as one of Carrim Bay's sons. 275 00:12:50.700 --> 00:12:51.960 He wasn't here? 276 00:12:52.019 --> 00:12:53.039 No, I didn't know. 277 00:12:53.100 --> 00:12:54.000 No, there you go. 278 00:12:54.059 --> 00:12:55.679 I'm going to get back and rewatch that. 279 00:12:55.740 --> 00:12:56.399 Yeah, yeah. 280 00:12:56.460 --> 00:12:58.679 So he's one of Karen Bay's sons in that. 281 00:12:58.740 --> 00:13:03.480 And God, you know, he has, he must have a wonderful diet because 282 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.679 he's barely aged from Russia with love to this. 283 00:13:07.740 --> 00:13:10.679 And I think there's a very interesting shorthand going on. 284 00:13:10.740 --> 00:13:14.399 David Fisher is a very clever writer because Count Grendel has 285 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.039 this impregnable escape proof castle. 286 00:13:17.100 --> 00:13:20.879 Prince Rhinart sits around in a hunting lodge. 287 00:13:20.940 --> 00:13:22.799 He's a bit more of the people. 288 00:13:22.860 --> 00:13:25.500 And of course, when the doctor starts being a bit snider and 289 00:13:25.500 --> 00:13:29.399 talking back to him, and did you notice, of course, when uh, Farrah 290 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.019 sets fire to the doctor's hat. 291 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:34.320 It's right next to Tom's face. love that line. 292 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:36.419 Would you mind not standing on my chest. 293 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:37.379 My hat's on fire. 294 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:38.700 Wonderful. 295 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.580 But, you know, when the doctor starts getting a bit cheeky and a 296 00:13:41.580 --> 00:13:45.659 bit snied and a bit cross, but has that whole wonderful thing of a 297 00:13:45.659 --> 00:13:46.320 1000 gold pieces. 298 00:13:46.379 --> 00:13:47.519 Do you think you can buy me for money? 299 00:13:47.580 --> 00:13:52.019 500 The prince really likes him because he's a man of his word, but 300 00:13:52.019 --> 00:13:53.820 you know, just try and repair our Android. 301 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:55.679 If it doesn't work, you can go free. 302 00:13:55.740 --> 00:13:58.259 Oh, thank you, doctor. the Android verse. 303 00:13:58.379 --> 00:14:02.100 Yeah, it's really great, subtle comedy. 304 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:03.299 I agree with you. 305 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.419 I think he does a really nice performance and the way that's 306 00:14:06.419 --> 00:14:10.259 written, like, you know, Zardic and swordsman for a ready to, well 307 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:13.379 not shoot first, but, you know, stab first and ask questions later 308 00:14:13.379 --> 00:14:15.720 whereas he's quite willing to let the doctor go along with 309 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.360 whatever the doctor wants to go along with because he, you know 310 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:19.080 there's a bond there. 311 00:14:19.139 --> 00:14:23.100 And there's been, I read in fanzines and stuff, criticism of his 312 00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:25.620 performances, the prince, but I actually think he does a great job 313 00:14:25.620 --> 00:14:29.159 the warmth of that, and as the end. 314 00:14:29.220 --> 00:14:30.419 I love him as the Android. 315 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.179 In fact, it's really funny and there's a scene later on where they 316 00:14:33.179 --> 00:14:36.539 repair the Android and they both, you know, like all the 317 00:14:36.539 --> 00:14:40.080 characters inadvertently kind of treat it as if it's the prince 318 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:40.679 for a second. 319 00:14:40.740 --> 00:14:44.100 The Android is slightly more what, intelligent? 320 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.019 Is real majesty? 321 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.960 Just a little subtleties like, you know, with the Android banging 322 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:50.940 the head and then speeding up and slowing down. 323 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:51.480 I really love that. 324 00:14:51.539 --> 00:14:54.600 I think his performance is one of the joys of his story. 325 00:14:54.659 --> 00:14:58.679 And I do love the Androids, Joan Crawford travelling turban. 326 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:01.860 Yeah, that is inexplicable, isn't it? 327 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:03.000 What is he wearing? 328 00:15:03.059 --> 00:15:03.840 It's very strange. 329 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.080 The only thing I can think of is it's his only scene on location. 330 00:15:07.139 --> 00:15:09.539 Maybe there was something up with his hair. 331 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:10.559 I don't know. 332 00:15:10.620 --> 00:15:12.240 Yeah, I do not know. 333 00:15:12.299 --> 00:15:15.059 But yeah, it makes him look like Joan Crawford with little pencil 334 00:15:15.059 --> 00:15:15.539 moustache. 335 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:17.879 Now there are other androids in the story. 336 00:15:17.940 --> 00:15:20.639 In fact, there's Mary Tam as Romana. 337 00:15:20.700 --> 00:15:23.039 Mary Tam is the Romana Android. 338 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:27.480 Mary Tam as Prince Estrella, who could be an Android, and Mary Tam 339 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:29.820 as the Princess Strella, Android. 340 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:33.059 And, I mean, I love Mary Tan. 341 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:34.019 I love Ramana. 342 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.720 But I'm just going to say the subtleties in her performance at 343 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.000 times are a bit too subtle. 344 00:15:39.059 --> 00:15:43.080 So she's not hugely stretched as an actress by playing the 2 345 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:43.919 androids. 346 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:44.820 Do you know what I mean? 347 00:15:44.940 --> 00:15:49.019 Like, because she's been going for kind of emotionless for the 348 00:15:49.019 --> 00:15:51.539 last few for the last few stories. 349 00:15:51.659 --> 00:15:53.220 So that's very good. 350 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:57.179 She does try and differentiates Australia from Romana a bit. 351 00:15:57.299 --> 00:15:58.860 Yeah, and given that... 352 00:15:58.980 --> 00:16:01.259 Yeah, Australia gets about 3 lines as well. yeah. 353 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:04.200 Look, I mean, it doesn't matter very much, but it would have been 354 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:08.159 fun to see her do something different, but she has decided, I 355 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:12.360 think, to take a 12 months sabbatical from acting this year. 356 00:16:12.419 --> 00:16:13.980 I think that... 357 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:14.940 No, no, no. 358 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.519 I mean, and I'm joking about it. 359 00:16:17.580 --> 00:16:20.639 I mean, she's chosen to do what she does before. 360 00:16:20.700 --> 00:16:22.860 Yeah, I think she's chosen, but I think she's chosen throughout 361 00:16:22.860 --> 00:16:25.139 the whole season to kind of. 362 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.539 As I said before, it's a performance. 363 00:16:27.659 --> 00:16:28.320 Do you know what I mean? 364 00:16:28.379 --> 00:16:32.399 It's terribly appealing, I absolutely adore watching her, but it's 365 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.039 not really an acting performance in any meaningful sense. 366 00:16:35.100 --> 00:16:39.120 I think it's very much in the mould of Diana Regan, the Avengers. 367 00:16:39.179 --> 00:16:42.179 I think there's a lot of Diana Regan, Emma Peel, just the way I've 368 00:16:42.179 --> 00:16:44.580 said before, I think there's a lot of Mary Tam in Romana. 369 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:50.820 One of the things as a kid watching this show is when the doctor 370 00:16:50.820 --> 00:16:54.600 bashes the Romana. 371 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.059 No, it's the Princess Estrella Android. 372 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:57.480 Yes. 373 00:16:57.539 --> 00:16:57.840 Right? 374 00:16:57.899 --> 00:16:58.860 Clubs and stick. 375 00:16:58.860 --> 00:16:59.940 Clubs it to death. 376 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.759 We think it's Romana, because we've just seen Romana taken out of 377 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:03.059 herself. 378 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:05.099 Yeah, she gets released from her side. 379 00:17:05.099 --> 00:17:08.700 Yeah, you know, and Tom has no problem doing this, but, you know 380 00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:12.299 in a previous story refuses to participate in pushing Romana off 381 00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:13.200 the... at war. 382 00:17:13.259 --> 00:17:13.920 It's very strange. 383 00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:17.519 I thought it was very strange because, like, she goes up and she's 384 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:21.660 in a speech, she talks about her sovereignty, which I thought as a 385 00:17:21.660 --> 00:17:24.599 kid, she was trying to say sovereignty, but the Android got it 386 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.180 wrong, like the other Android gets the things wrong. 387 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:30.180 So I thought, oh, well, it's obvious that this is the Android. 388 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.500 And I believe that up until last week when Nathan was talking to 389 00:17:34.500 --> 00:17:35.099 me about it. 390 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:36.000 Suzerainty. 391 00:17:36.059 --> 00:17:38.519 Yeah, it's an actual separate word, isn't it? 392 00:17:38.579 --> 00:17:38.880 Yeah. 393 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:40.079 Yeah. 394 00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:42.779 And another thing about that, you know, just because this is my 395 00:17:42.779 --> 00:17:43.200 favourite story. 396 00:17:43.259 --> 00:17:45.119 I'm not it's not immune from criticism. 397 00:17:45.180 --> 00:17:47.519 But Romana's taken out of her cell. 398 00:17:47.579 --> 00:17:52.079 So we're led to believe that she is playing Strella in the 399 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:52.859 coronation scene. 400 00:17:53.099 --> 00:17:57.000 The next time we see Romana, the guard takes her to see Madame 401 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:57.539 Lamia. 402 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.839 So we're also led to believe then that, oh, okay, that wasn't 403 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:01.319 Romana. 404 00:18:01.380 --> 00:18:02.099 That was the Android. 405 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.559 Romana's just been brought to Lamia. 406 00:18:04.619 --> 00:18:08.579 How far away is Lamia's lab from the dungeons? 407 00:18:08.579 --> 00:18:11.039 Because in the time Romana has been brought out, had the 408 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:16.680 coronation, where Grendel is at the coronation, we've had the 409 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:20.099 doctor discovering how many more programmed androids might be that 410 00:18:20.099 --> 00:18:23.039 as opposed to the really dangerous ones of the unprogrammed ones 411 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:23.279 obviously. 412 00:18:23.339 --> 00:18:27.240 Grendel's had time to get back from there, you know, we've had 413 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:31.619 another scene with the doctor and then Grendel is back in the 414 00:18:31.619 --> 00:18:32.039 lab. 415 00:18:32.099 --> 00:18:35.279 You know, it's it's a real time dilation problem that's just for 416 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:36.599 the sake of the cliffhanger. 417 00:18:36.660 --> 00:18:39.420 It's not enough for me to dislike the story, but I just kind of go 418 00:18:39.420 --> 00:18:40.619 that's a bit of a cheat, David. 419 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:42.839 Can we go to the coronation? 420 00:18:42.900 --> 00:18:45.000 Yes, I think it's time for the coronation. 421 00:18:45.059 --> 00:18:47.519 So of course, Cyril Shaps is back. 422 00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:49.440 Cyril Shepp survives this one. 423 00:18:49.500 --> 00:18:50.700 So... 424 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:53.819 Cyril Shaps, for those of you who don't remember Tomb of the 425 00:18:53.819 --> 00:18:58.980 Cybermen and Planet of the Spiders and Ambassadors of Death. 426 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.680 And ambassadors of death, he gets locked in the cell. 427 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.599 With the isotope, the isotope. 428 00:19:03.660 --> 00:19:04.680 I'd forgotten that completely. 429 00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:08.220 So he does tend to get killed, but this is actually a lovely story 430 00:19:08.220 --> 00:19:10.799 in which only one person is killed and that's by accident. 431 00:19:10.859 --> 00:19:13.619 And so Cyril Shaps does survive. 432 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.599 And he's terrific. 433 00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:17.339 And it's the archimandrike. 434 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:17.940 What a wonderful name. 435 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:18.900 It's great word. 436 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.819 What a wonderful set of hats as well. 437 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:22.920 He's got all these lovely rainbow hats. 438 00:19:22.980 --> 00:19:27.420 I believe I've heard from somewhere that at conventions he would 439 00:19:27.420 --> 00:19:29.940 describe himself as, you know, I did 4 Doctor Who's, and I died in 440 00:19:29.940 --> 00:19:30.299 3 of them. 441 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:32.279 And then in another one I played a rainbow poop. 442 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.880 That's essentially what the argument right is. 443 00:19:35.940 --> 00:19:38.700 I love his conversation with Count Grendel about stepping forward 444 00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:43.559 and doing the right thing and I shall reject the thing through. 445 00:19:43.619 --> 00:19:44.039 Is it? 446 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:47.099 I, I, I should, I think I shall reject the crown twice. 447 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.599 Yes, he doesn't think he can rely on the argument right to offer 448 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:52.799 it to him. right. 449 00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:56.640 I reject it once because to reject it twice, maybe misconstrued 450 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.700 and I can't trust the archivand right to offer it to be a 3rd 451 00:19:59.700 --> 00:19:59.940 time. 452 00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:01.980 And the look on Kostard's faces. 453 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:02.460 What? 454 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.619 We've got another character. 455 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:05.819 Is it till? 456 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:07.259 Is that his servant man? 457 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:08.279 Has he been in Doctor before? 458 00:20:08.339 --> 00:20:12.839 Yeah, he was the guy who was menaced by the sea devils in the sea 459 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:13.500 devils. 460 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.339 Remember the there's 2 people on the rig, one of whom's killed and 461 00:20:17.339 --> 00:20:17.940 the other one. 462 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:18.359 Yeah, okay. 463 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:19.140 So that's him. 464 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:24.599 But he also played Jab of the Heart in Star Wars. 465 00:20:24.660 --> 00:20:29.700 So you remember before the special edition of Star Wars, Jab of 466 00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:32.700 the Hut didn't appear in the original Star Wars, but they did 467 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:37.920 shoot a scene, which was later re put back into the film and he 468 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.180 played Jab of the Hut in that scene as a human. 469 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:46.079 And then they put a CG puppet over it and it's a terrible, terrible 470 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.259 artistic choice and why is it even there? 471 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:50.940 Can I go on about that? 472 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:55.019 So he played Jab Bahan in Star Wars originally. 473 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:56.519 So there you go. 474 00:20:56.579 --> 00:21:00.359 Now we've got Zadec and Swordsman Pharaoh. 475 00:21:00.420 --> 00:21:01.980 Yeah, they're pretty forgetable, I think. 476 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:06.059 Oh, oh, well, the thing is, I think they are just, they are just 477 00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:07.019 well balanced enough. 478 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:10.140 They fade into the background enough because they are supporting 479 00:21:10.140 --> 00:21:14.759 characters, but when they get their moments to play, they play 480 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:15.359 them very well. 481 00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:19.200 Cornell Day and topping and the discontinuity guide conclude that 482 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:23.160 Tom constantly tries to make Simon Lack, who's playing Zadec laugh 483 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:24.779 in all their scenes together without success. 484 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:28.740 I'm genuinely not sure how much of that is Tom the actor or the 485 00:21:28.740 --> 00:21:31.440 doctor is the character realising, oh, this fellow's very stiff 486 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:32.099 and whatnot. 487 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:34.740 I'm going to try and make him laugh, but yeah, Simon Lack is just 488 00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:36.599 brilliantly po-faced about the whole thing. 489 00:21:36.660 --> 00:21:39.900 And Farrah, on the other hand, you know, he's the young brash 490 00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:42.240 lieutenant and plays that part very well. 491 00:21:42.660 --> 00:21:46.619 I quite like how he learns not to draw his sword when canine's 492 00:21:46.619 --> 00:21:46.799 around. 493 00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:48.359 Yes, yeah, yeah. 494 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:49.799 Is he a good hunting dog? 495 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.460 My favourite moment between the 2 of them is at the end of episode 496 00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:54.960 three, beginning of episode four. 497 00:21:55.019 --> 00:21:58.980 So after Romana's gotten away, and she's back at the hunting lodge 498 00:21:58.980 --> 00:22:02.519 and Grendel kidnaps her again, because that's what you do in these 499 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:02.880 stories. 500 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:09.779 There's a bit where Farrah sees Grendel approaching and says, it's 501 00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:10.980 someone under a flag of truce. 502 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:11.880 It's Grendel. 503 00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:12.599 I'll kill him. 504 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:16.380 And Zadec says, not if he's under a flag of truce, you won't. 505 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:17.460 You know, we do the honourable thing. 506 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:18.599 You know the articles of war. 507 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:20.640 After he's made off with Romana. 508 00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:22.680 Zadec says something lines off. 509 00:22:22.740 --> 00:22:25.019 We should have killed him. flag of truce or no flag of truce. 510 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:27.059 And there's just this little look from Farah. 511 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:28.319 Like, I said that. 512 00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:31.920 I completely, and you know, it's entirely from the actor. 513 00:22:31.980 --> 00:22:34.980 It's not in the script, but it's just, just suggested that. 514 00:22:35.099 --> 00:22:40.380 It's a little that little plot thing where he kidnaps Romana from 515 00:22:40.380 --> 00:22:41.220 back at the outer room. 516 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.680 It's very quick that he gets her onto the horse and that sort of 517 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:45.720 thing. a little bit... a bit of a surprise. 518 00:22:45.779 --> 00:22:46.500 I quite like that, though. 519 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:50.460 And I like the fact she comes on a white horse to rescue the dog. 520 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.240 And she gets on the horse and she can't make like her way of 521 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:58.500 getting it to go is just by going, go, go, you stupid thing. 522 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.680 And she inadvertently kicks it in the side and it goes. 523 00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:05.160 And we get them to pay off to that. the doctor saying, I hope you 524 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.059 know how to stop this thing. 525 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:07.440 That's right. 526 00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:08.579 It's wonderful. 527 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:12.839 But so he kind of unexpectedly captures her, but that's okay. 528 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:16.079 I think we can forgive it and I don't think we necessarily need to 529 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:16.440 see it. 530 00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:17.579 Yeah, yeah. 531 00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:20.579 It's really good to see Tom actually doing some sword fighting, I 532 00:23:20.579 --> 00:23:25.920 think, rather than having Terry Walsh to do sort of fighting. you 533 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:26.880 know, later on. 534 00:23:26.940 --> 00:23:28.559 It's actually good to see that. 535 00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:30.720 But explain to me something. 536 00:23:30.779 --> 00:23:34.079 We've got the clock, which I think is a wonderful clock, you know 537 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:35.579 with all going. yeah, yeah, yeah. 538 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:40.019 And they go out to meet Madame Malami is meeting the doctor at 539 00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:40.799 midnight. 540 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.460 But it's like the middle of the dark. 541 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:45.420 No, no, no. 542 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.099 They were to meet at midday, weren't they? 543 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.380 No, no, no, no, but they turn up early. 544 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.339 The doctor turns up early and Lamia then goes in just to survey 545 00:23:53.339 --> 00:23:56.880 and inspect the place and the doctor slams the door on her and he 546 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.220 kind she kind of says, you're early and he says, well, you're 547 00:23:59.220 --> 00:23:59.460 early. 548 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:00.480 Shall we just do it? 549 00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:02.099 So they're early by about 10 hours. 550 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 551 00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:04.980 So they do that in the dialogue. 552 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:06.839 He turns up to lie in wait for a certain day. 553 00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:09.420 I knew that they were early, but I just kind of was going like 554 00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:11.339 it's so bright early. 555 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:12.599 It is very early. 556 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:14.700 And, you know, they brought the Android with them and everything. 557 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:16.799 I would like to talk about Lamia. 558 00:24:16.859 --> 00:24:19.619 I do think it's a wonderful character because, of course, as I 559 00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:21.839 mentioned in the novel prisoner of Zenda, there's this whole 560 00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.480 unrequited love angle, but that's with the hero. 561 00:24:24.539 --> 00:24:27.539 So here, David Fisher has flipped that round and it's unrequited 562 00:24:27.539 --> 00:24:28.559 love with the villain. 563 00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:31.680 He is so dismissive of her love that he just brings it up in 564 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.160 casual conversation that, oh yeah, yeah, she fancies me. 565 00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:38.220 I showed her a certain courtesy once. 566 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:39.299 Yeah. 567 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.400 Oh, it's so it's so nasty. 568 00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:44.160 And then when Romana's kind of saying, look, let me go. 569 00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:47.099 I can't I can't do anything to you. 570 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.700 And she's like, well, no, I can't, you know, you're against you're 571 00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:51.359 against Grendel. 572 00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:54.180 Well, he doesn't have you don't exactly have him at the moment. 573 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:54.779 He just using it. 574 00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:55.680 That's better than nothing. 575 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:57.599 It's so heartbreaking. 576 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.140 And it's kind of that weird thing of, we've discussed the Becadell 577 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:05.640 test in Doctor Who before, and there's a website devoted to it as 578 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:07.619 well, which we'll put up on our site. 579 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:12.660 But I think this is a really powerful moment between 2 female 580 00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:16.019 characters and, you know, Doctor Who doesn't discuss love very 581 00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:16.380 often. 582 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.960 It usually only discusses it when a companion's leaving because 583 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:20.700 they're getting married off to someone. 584 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:28.680 But it's a moment of emotion between a downtrodden character and a 585 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:32.220 character who has not shown much in the way of emotion, but seems 586 00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:35.519 to understand what Lamia feels. 587 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.519 You know, as soon as Lamia brings that up, Romana stops arguing. 588 00:25:38.579 --> 00:25:40.019 She knows she's not going to get anywhere. 589 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.539 Of course, it doesn't pass the Bechdell test, does it? 590 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:43.740 Because they're talking about a man. 591 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:45.900 But the thing is, they also have discussions about the key to 592 00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:46.200 time. 593 00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:49.440 And my point was that even though it breaks that rule of the 594 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.200 Becadell test, I still think it's a powerful scene for the 2 595 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:52.740 actresses. 596 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.799 I think it is nice to give like something. 597 00:25:55.859 --> 00:25:57.900 It just adds texture, do you know what I mean? 598 00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:59.940 to give her that unrequited love. 599 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:04.140 Yeah, it's nice to see a scientist that is a woman. 600 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:05.400 Yeah, I think so too. 601 00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.759 But, I mean, Grendel doesn't think much of her because, like, when 602 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.759 she comes running out of the hut, She gets shot and then it cuts 603 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:12.119 to him. 604 00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:14.819 Oh, madam, watch out for Madam Lami, it's all too late. 605 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.299 Yeah, I think he's, I think he is affected by it. 606 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:19.079 Oh yeah, definitely. 607 00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:21.900 Because later on when he's shouting at Ramana. 608 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.859 Like, he said, he says Madame Lamir is dead, and Paul's just 609 00:26:25.859 --> 00:26:28.740 almost imperceptibly for a 2nd and the Android will never be 610 00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:29.160 completed. 611 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.819 It's, again, it's subtle, it's subtext. 612 00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:35.940 I do find that death hideously unfair. 613 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.380 It's one of the most unfair deaths ever in Doctor Who. you know, of 614 00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:41.700 all the characters in the story. 615 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.640 Yes, she's on the bad guy's side, but she's on the bad guy's side 616 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.980 because she can't help herself. 617 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.079 You know, she knows she's in a bad situation. 618 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:50.759 She's said as much. 619 00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:53.220 But that's... 620 00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:58.380 To be mawkish, that is the power of strong emotion, that is the 621 00:26:58.380 --> 00:27:00.539 power of her love. 622 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:01.859 It will keep her in the situation. 623 00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:02.279 And. 624 00:27:02.819 --> 00:27:06.720 The thing is, like, I don't, I don't look at David Fisher and go 625 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.299 oh, you're a horrible person for doing this is like, well, you 626 00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:09.720 know what? 627 00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:13.019 Yes, it's a horrible thing that happens and horrible things do 628 00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:13.380 happen. 629 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.720 I think it should have been remarked upon more in the story 630 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.960 especially from Romana, because Romana actually had some time with 631 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:22.259 her. 632 00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:26.099 And, you know, it maybe if when Grendel says Madame Limir is dead 633 00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:27.599 and the Andro will never be completed Romana. 634 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:29.400 I should have said, oh, yeah, and that's all you care about. 635 00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:36.240 I like that there's some stakes to the death and some emotional 636 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.480 weight to it that we care about it, you know, all too often 637 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:42.119 particularly in the Hinchcliffe theory, there would be just 638 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:44.880 characters who are nothing more than a name and a sort of vague 639 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.920 acting performance who are mowed down. 640 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:49.619 But this is a character who has relationships with the other 641 00:27:49.619 --> 00:27:50.700 characters and stuff. 642 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.420 And I like that it's an accident and I like it's the only death. 643 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.000 You know, the stakes are not high in this story. 644 00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:58.980 It's who will rule one planet? 645 00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:00.000 Yeah. 646 00:28:00.059 --> 00:28:02.640 Something that happens under Graham Williams is that death is 647 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.539 given a lot more weight. 648 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:08.099 So, you know, you've got her death this year, you've got the death 649 00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:08.880 of Ben Roe. 650 00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:12.240 You've got the death of Mr. Fibrilli, which is very palpable that 651 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:13.559 we commented on a few weeks ago. 652 00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:17.099 We got the campers last week who, you know, we don't even know who 653 00:28:17.099 --> 00:28:20.880 they are and it's very affecting because it's so horrifically 654 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:21.359 done. 655 00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:25.019 Compare that to Lawrence. 656 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:30.779 Scarman. you know, which is still affecting and it's still sad, but 657 00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:34.200 I don't, I think these deaths are sadder and they're more palpable 658 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.380 and we've gotten, we can relate to these characters more. 659 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.119 I can't quite put my finger on why. 660 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:44.279 But I just think that Death, which has always been part of Doctor 661 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.339 Who is just better handled in Under Graham Williams, and it was 662 00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:48.359 under Philip Hedgworth. 663 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.079 Taking a different sort of tech on a few things, we do get a few 664 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.759 sort of dodgy special effects like canine having to cut out the 665 00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.579 back of the pavilion to get out. 666 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.880 And you've also got, I think one of the things, you know, Doctor 667 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.319 Who's trying its utmost with the technology, when you've got the 668 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.579 real person playing dandroid and then moments before they get 669 00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:15.539 killed, it cuts to the actual dummy. 670 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.819 Like, you don't mean George, like when... 671 00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:19.140 Yeah, if you get spear and that sort of thing. 672 00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:22.680 Like, like these days it'd be seamless, but of course, back then 673 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.619 it's like, you know, one moment where they act in the next, it's 674 00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:29.039 like, well, you know, and then poor Neville Jason has to sit there 675 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.099 with a spear coming out of it for the next seat. 676 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.259 I mean, it's not that big a deal. 677 00:29:34.380 --> 00:29:37.619 This isn't a story that really has very much in the way of special 678 00:29:37.619 --> 00:29:38.220 effects. 679 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:42.000 There's a little bit of split screen for the robot replicas, but 680 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:42.480 not very much. 681 00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:44.460 And the split screen's well done. 682 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:45.420 Yeah, yeah. 683 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.240 There's one example of the split screen going wrong. 684 00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:51.720 And that's some, in one of the last few scenes when Romana and 685 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.539 Strella are doing cross ditch together, which is wonderful. 686 00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:57.359 And you've just got Costa and still semiconscious in the corner. 687 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.000 And it's just Rimada, practising cross stitch. 688 00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:01.619 It's so Avengers. 689 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.140 But when the doctor bursts in, the door actually disappears 690 00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:05.519 because it goes... 691 00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:07.259 It goes over the other side of the screen. 692 00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:09.960 It's hard to see because, you know, it's brown on brown, but have 693 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:11.460 a look at it next time you watch it. 694 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.299 The other kind of main special effect in this, the swords and 695 00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:19.500 crossbows, the energy weapons, and I personally feel that the 696 00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:23.400 crossbows are influenced by Star Wars, because Chewbacca has his 697 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.099 bowcaster, which is an electronic crossbow. 698 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.619 Well, I think an electronic sword. you know what I mean? 699 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.559 Even though the whole idea is different from a lightsaber. 700 00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:35.160 There's no way that wasn't, you know, a lift from Star Wars as 701 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:35.339 well. 702 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.000 And I mean, Star Wars is kind of trying to do that mythical 703 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.180 swashbuckling thing, but in a science fiction context. 704 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:43.200 Do you know what I mean? 705 00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:47.940 So even the idea, not the tone in any way or the way it's realised 706 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:49.440 but certainly that idea. 707 00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:52.440 That's something the Doctor Who's done before and done very 708 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.140 recently, even in something like underworld, you know, where you 709 00:30:55.140 --> 00:30:58.200 take a traditional kind of story and give it a science fiction 710 00:30:58.200 --> 00:30:58.799 twist. 711 00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:02.460 So, you know, it's the sort of thing that both Doctor Who and Star 712 00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:03.000 Wars do. 713 00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:05.519 I think where it's most successful is. 714 00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.319 That's science fiction twist. 715 00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:11.339 Unlike underworld where they try to make every element science 716 00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:11.880 fiction. 717 00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:12.960 It's all science fiction. 718 00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:14.940 This is mostly a fantasy story. 719 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.839 Take out the special effect shots of the sword flashes and the 720 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:19.799 Bocast flashes. 721 00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:22.200 They're the only sci-fi elements along with the androids. 722 00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:25.559 Even that in a fantasy setting, you could just translate that as 723 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.960 another way to create a magical replica. 724 00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:32.519 And I think that really helps because it gives the story its own 725 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:33.059 identity. 726 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.299 And it's something that we will start running into problems with 727 00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:42.420 in 2 years' time during season 18, where some would argue that the 728 00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:46.799 magic is taken out of the show in exchange for perhaps too much 729 00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:47.279 science. 730 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.640 Oh, we're going to have an interesting season 18. 731 00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:56.220 I'm not saying which side of that I'm on, but that is another part 732 00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:59.579 of why I love this story so much because it is so unashamedly 733 00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:04.259 fantasy, you know, at no point does the script trying to apologise 734 00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:07.079 for the heavy fantasy influence or the heavy novel influence. 735 00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:09.900 It takes someone else's idea, certainly, from the Anthony Hope 736 00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:14.759 novel, but it adds new and interesting things and it twists parts 737 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.599 of the story in a way that loads of good Doctor Who does. 738 00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:22.619 And I think it also comes down to the ending, the fact that Count 739 00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:25.859 Grendel gets away to fight another day, which often doesn't 740 00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:26.039 happen. 741 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:30.779 Next time, I shall not be so ledient to you. so wonderful. 742 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.980 That scene is so funny and it's such a brilliant final line. 743 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:39.119 He's a great... he's such a great villain. 744 00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:42.720 And you know, he has such glee in torturing them. 745 00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:45.539 You know, like having all those people in his prison. 746 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.160 He just thinks that's terrific. 747 00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:51.119 You know, he's tremendously good humoured and he is kind of 748 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:54.420 horrible, but I kind of secretly root for him a bit. 749 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:55.859 I think he's awesome. 750 00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:58.740 I think possibly what helps the story so much is that everyone 751 00:32:58.740 --> 00:33:00.240 wants to be Errol Flynn in it. 752 00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:01.019 Yeah, yeah. 753 00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:03.180 But I'm glad the villain wants Fiero. 754 00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:04.740 The best thing. 755 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.400 I think. 756 00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:07.200 We were talking about the sword fighting. 757 00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:08.400 It's so good. 758 00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:10.980 And I love the way it starts out with Tom being the fool. 759 00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.539 He's facing the wrong way. 760 00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:13.440 He's facing there away. 761 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.900 Romana comes up and gives the best sorts, but on Tara. 762 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:16.680 Do you know what you're doing? 763 00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:18.059 he just kind of goes, oh, well. 764 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.759 And Mary Temps just looks between them. 765 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.079 Okay, good luck. 766 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.940 And you still don't know by the end of the sword fight, whether 767 00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:29.640 the doctor's clowning around at the beginning was real or not 768 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.220 because he clowns around, and then there's this look of 769 00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:34.980 realisation on his face, and you don't know if that's, oh, that's 770 00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:35.759 his fighting style. 771 00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:36.720 This is how he fights. 772 00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:41.099 And then he goes savagely on the attack and it gives Tom the 773 00:33:41.099 --> 00:33:44.099 chance to do something that we are seeing less of these days, which 774 00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:47.819 it gives him a chance to get really angry and cross. 775 00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:52.019 And I like it when it's not happening very often because of course 776 00:33:52.019 --> 00:33:54.000 you know, pyramids of Mars, he's crossed all the way through. 777 00:33:54.059 --> 00:33:58.440 Yeah, but here he just kind of gets cross at the end when the 778 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.960 castle's being invaded and he says, listen, Grendon, listen. 779 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:06.000 And it's so powerful because the whole story's been a fun camp 780 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:06.960 romp. 781 00:34:07.019 --> 00:34:09.840 But, you know, the villains being punished now and people are 782 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:14.219 about to be married to each other and then murdered hideously, what 783 00:34:14.219 --> 00:34:14.699 have you. 784 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:18.239 So the doctor has to become serious and nasty and whatnot. 785 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.420 But then, straight away, he spins on it and, Grendel, you forgot 786 00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:22.139 your hat. 787 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:23.699 I love that, sir. 788 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.380 Actually, the sword fight. 789 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.800 The Switch point fight is a little bit undramatic at the beginning 790 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:33.300 because they make an inexplicable choice not to score, like not to 791 00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:33.840 give it any music. 792 00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:37.679 I really like that, though, because it adds to that whole thing of 793 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.480 what the hell is the doctor doing? 794 00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:40.500 That's what you're thinking. 795 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.820 And then when he starts fighting back, you see, I think, the 1st 796 00:34:44.820 --> 00:34:48.780 genuine look of admiration from Romana, like, you know, she's sort 797 00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:50.579 of humoured him previously. 798 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.340 But now, you know, he's not looking at her and she is looking 799 00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:54.900 absolutely impressed. 800 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.559 She is impressed. 801 00:34:55.619 --> 00:35:01.139 We get to move the fight outside into a sort of corridor on 802 00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:04.139 location, which is kind of dark and then Dudley pulls out all the 803 00:35:04.139 --> 00:35:06.780 stops and gives it proper swashbuckling music, which is really 804 00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:07.079 fun. 805 00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:11.760 And then, of course, he defeats him and why was he supposed to be 806 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:12.719 good, you know? 807 00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:15.900 He's the best swordsman on Tara. 808 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.880 So I think that that really works. 809 00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:22.199 I think Dudley is a good fit for this kind of story. 810 00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:23.280 Yeah, absolutely. 811 00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:25.559 And he's got that lovely sort of... 812 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.840 I think it's almost a loot instrumentation very often. 813 00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:36.119 And then we get the end of the story. 814 00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:38.699 You know, Romana's lost the segment, but the doctor's like, I 815 00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:39.119 found it. 816 00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:40.260 You were very careless, you know. 817 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:41.579 I didn't catch one fish. 818 00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:46.980 And then they leave K9, Paul K9, sat on the boat, floating 819 00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:48.840 plaintively calling out. 820 00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:53.159 It's the comedy ending without Mary on location. 821 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.880 Because only Tom Piers over the top of the thing. 822 00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:00.239 And the thing is, it's a comedy ending that actually seems to work 823 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.780 a bit because a lot of the comedy endings last season, despite the 824 00:36:03.780 --> 00:36:06.420 fact that Tom's a very funny person, Louise Jameson's a very funny 825 00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:06.780 person. 826 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.900 A lot of the comedy endings last season didn't really work. 827 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:10.920 They weren't really funny. 828 00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:14.219 This one is quite funny because you've had that whole banter 829 00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:17.400 between the doctor and canine, like, I am familiar with Bates 830 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:17.940 Masters. 831 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.239 But I like the fact that it's, it ends, but you don't seem saying 832 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:21.960 goodbye to people. 833 00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:24.360 Like it's, you know, they're still there and they have to get 834 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.179 canine where it's not just like quickly, let's get into TARDIS 835 00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:27.539 goodbye. 836 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.719 You know, it's open-ended enough to know, well, that's where the 837 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.219 adventure ends and they... 838 00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:35.400 I just like the fact that he's in long shot in the distance. 839 00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:39.960 So canine's really tiny in the shot and he's calling out and then 840 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.199 you know, like he feels a bit sad about being left behind. 841 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:44.880 I think it's just terrifically sweet. 842 00:36:44.940 --> 00:36:50.340 I think as Brendan said, David Fisher does use canine quite 843 00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:51.659 effectively in all of his stories. 844 00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:55.619 People complain about, you know, the dog getting them out of 845 00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:57.900 trouble, but, you know, the dog only comes into it part of the way 846 00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:00.840 through, and I think he uses him very well. 847 00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:06.000 I think the last thing to comment on is, you're alive, and you're 848 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:11.760 real, and we have a kiss between Reinhardt, and Strella. 849 00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:12.300 Strella. 850 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:14.219 You know, it's all right in the end. 851 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:33.840 Hours that I could go on for this story, that is all the time we 852 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.480 have for the androids of Tara. 853 00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:40.739 We will be back next week with the Space Pirates Mark II, AKA The 854 00:37:40.739 --> 00:37:41.940 Power of Kroll. 855 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.780 Until then, you can find us on Flightthrough Entirety.com. 856 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.519 Todd is looking aghast at my comparison. 857 00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:48.480 Very harsh. 858 00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:52.440 I think Kroll is underrated. 859 00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:54.360 No, it is, but I've got a checklist. 860 00:37:55.380 --> 00:37:59.639 Until then, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com 861 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:03.059 flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on 862 00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:03.480 Twitter. 863 00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:07.860 We have 5 commentaries up now on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on 864 00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:10.679 Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter. 865 00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:14.579 Until next time, may all your Android replicas not spark and give 866 00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:15.119 themselves away. 867 00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:16.260 Thank you very much and good night. 868 00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:16.980 Good night. 869 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:17.760 See you soon. 870 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.900 That was Flight to Entirety. 871 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.539 Todd BLB, Nathan Bottonley and Brendan Jones. 872 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.559 This episode, join Crawford with a little pencil moustache, was 873 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.599 recorded on the 4th of October 2015. 874 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.139 The next episode will be released on January the 3rd, 2016. 875 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.500 Incidentally, a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all of you 876 00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:40.320 at home will save you some roast Thai and Woodbeast. 877 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.460 Look at how happy you are, Brandon.