WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 16:04:39 1 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:33.600 Hello and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor 2 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:36.780 Who podcast whose main export is tons of methane. 3 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:37.439 I'm Brendan. 4 00:00:37.500 --> 00:00:38.460 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.399 And I was a popular figure in these podcasts about an hour ago. 6 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:46.259 We're heading down to the 3rd moon of Delta Magna for the power of 7 00:00:46.259 --> 00:00:46.859 Kroll. 8 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.340 So, this is mine, and as you pointed out, so Abley, in your 9 00:00:56.340 --> 00:00:59.820 introduction, Brendan, this is really just the excuse for Bob 10 00:00:59.820 --> 00:01:04.260 Holmes's biggest ever fart joke in the entire program. 11 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.140 So we're on the 3rd moon of Delta Magna. 12 00:01:07.260 --> 00:01:15.959 And somehow there's a huge source of methane under the swamp, which 13 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.799 they're packaging up and shooting back to Delta Magna to feed the 14 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:20.760 population. 15 00:01:20.819 --> 00:01:24.659 So the entire population of Delta Magna is living off Kroll's 16 00:01:24.659 --> 00:01:25.019 farts. 17 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.959 You didn't realise that before, did you, Todd? 18 00:01:28.019 --> 00:01:29.459 That makes no sense at all. 19 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:34.019 Yeah, why don't they just have cows on Delta Magna, you know? 20 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:37.079 Well, I don't think cows farts are any sort of any better than 21 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:37.500 that. 22 00:01:37.620 --> 00:01:41.280 One of the biggest causes of methane in our atmosphere is cow 23 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:41.879 farts. 24 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:44.040 You can't eat them, you know. 25 00:01:44.099 --> 00:01:47.400 Well, if you can't eat cow farm, me thing. 26 00:01:47.459 --> 00:01:49.079 Why can you eat squid fart? 27 00:01:49.140 --> 00:01:50.040 No, I don't understand it. 28 00:01:50.099 --> 00:01:52.739 These are the important questions we ask on flight through 29 00:01:52.739 --> 00:01:53.159 entirety. 30 00:01:53.219 --> 00:01:55.739 Yeah, yeah, and we've got another half an hour to talk about this 31 00:01:55.739 --> 00:01:56.519 topic, I think. 32 00:01:56.579 --> 00:01:59.760 It's Bob Holmes and it's his last story for a while. 33 00:01:59.819 --> 00:02:04.079 And I think, is he getting annoyed with the show a bit or 34 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:04.560 something like that? 35 00:02:04.620 --> 00:02:05.760 I think he's tired. 36 00:02:05.819 --> 00:02:09.659 You know, he's been writing Doctor Who since 1969. 37 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.259 You know, he's been scripted at it for three, four years. 38 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:17.400 He left last year, and then he was asked back to do the first show 39 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.280 and you know, I just think he's just tired. 40 00:02:20.340 --> 00:02:23.280 I mean, I think this story has a bad rap. 41 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.439 There's some stuff in it which I quite like. 42 00:02:25.500 --> 00:02:30.539 But it doesn't just have the flair and the, you know, the dialogue 43 00:02:30.539 --> 00:02:33.659 that I would expect from a Bob's home, Bob Holmes. 44 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:36.419 And I think, you know, Anthony Reeves, obviously, and Graham 45 00:02:36.419 --> 00:02:38.759 Reeves have asked him to, you know, write a story with the biggest 46 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:39.539 monster ever. 47 00:02:39.659 --> 00:02:43.319 Well, just be careful. what you wish for because Bob doesn't 48 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:44.699 always, as we know, deliver exactly. 49 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:46.560 What do you want? 50 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:51.900 In fact, the more you tell him what to do, the more crotchety he 51 00:02:51.900 --> 00:02:52.139 gets. 52 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:56.159 Yeah, he hates writing to a shopping list, as we will later find 53 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:57.300 out in 1985. 54 00:02:57.539 --> 00:03:02.699 But I mean, really, this is the 1st time he has sort of written to 55 00:03:02.699 --> 00:03:04.620 a shopping list in quite a long time. 56 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:06.960 I think once or twice for Barry Letts, Barry Letts would give him 57 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:07.620 a starting idea. 58 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.860 But here he was given 2 stipulations, as you say, Todd, to write 59 00:03:10.860 --> 00:03:12.539 the biggest Doctor Who monster ever. 60 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.620 But also, and I found this out during the week, and this kind of 61 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:20.400 mitigates some of my distaste for the story because as longtime 62 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:22.439 listeners will know, I'm not a big fan of this one. 63 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:27.840 Graham McDonald, the head of cereals, had asked Graham Williams 64 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:30.960 for less comedy in scripts. 65 00:03:31.020 --> 00:03:32.460 No horror and no comedy. 66 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:33.960 No horror and no comedy, exactly. 67 00:03:34.020 --> 00:03:35.099 Who could leave you with? 68 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:35.819 Underworld? 69 00:03:35.939 --> 00:03:37.800 Yes, I think. 70 00:03:37.979 --> 00:03:41.819 But yeah, so Bob Holmes is given right the biggest Doctor Who 71 00:03:41.819 --> 00:03:42.479 monster ever. 72 00:03:42.539 --> 00:03:45.300 When Bob Holmes speciality is a humanoid monster. 73 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:49.500 Well, and also no comedy, and that's his other speciality. 74 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.680 So, yeah, I think a little bit of the script is a bit of an up 75 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.000 yours to Graham McDonald. 76 00:03:54.060 --> 00:03:58.740 In fact, the monster actually doesn't do the story too much harm 77 00:03:58.740 --> 00:04:02.280 because I've said before, I think that Bob Holmes isn't really 78 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.020 that interested in monsters. 79 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:08.219 He never, you know, writes an alien invasion, you know, if he can 80 00:04:08.219 --> 00:04:08.759 avoid it. 81 00:04:08.819 --> 00:04:12.479 It's not uncommon for him to have just one big monster that sort 82 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:16.560 of pops out for the episode one cliffhanger and then the climax in 83 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:17.579 episode four. 84 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.819 We had the Shriven Zaal earlier this year, which is pretty much 85 00:04:20.819 --> 00:04:21.240 that. 86 00:04:21.300 --> 00:04:22.980 We'll have the magma creature. 87 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.879 We've, you know, the giant rats in talent of winning Chiang. 88 00:04:26.939 --> 00:04:29.879 He's not really that interested in monsters and what he's 89 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.720 interested in is people and politics and relationships between 90 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:34.079 people. 91 00:04:34.139 --> 00:04:37.920 And the monster is not that bad, is it? 92 00:04:37.980 --> 00:04:39.120 No, no. 93 00:04:39.180 --> 00:04:44.519 I mean, a lot of people criticise it, but really, the biggest 94 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.699 problem with it is, and the director, Norman Stewart has admitted 95 00:04:47.699 --> 00:04:52.259 this was a bit of a mistake, and that's the very strict masking he 96 00:04:52.259 --> 00:04:52.560 used. 97 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.500 So for the long shots when Kroll comes over the horizon. 98 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:57.180 You'll notice there's a very, very straight line. 99 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.199 Yes, I think that's probably one of the worst things. 100 00:05:01.259 --> 00:05:05.339 The actual Kroll, the filming of the Kroll Monster itself, whether 101 00:05:05.339 --> 00:05:11.279 it be on film or as a puppet thing or whatever, like in the seeds 102 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:11.639 of doom. 103 00:05:11.699 --> 00:05:13.019 It's actually really very good. 104 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.439 It's that stupid straight horizon that makes it look ridiculous. 105 00:05:16.500 --> 00:05:19.680 You know, there is a scene in episode 4 when it's attacking the 106 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.620 refinery and that looks pretty terrible as well. 107 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:23.759 Like the puppet is good. 108 00:05:24.660 --> 00:05:27.120 And it's got this little claw mouth things and all of that. 109 00:05:27.180 --> 00:05:28.319 I think it looks pretty impressive. 110 00:05:28.379 --> 00:05:29.220 It moves really well. 111 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:32.579 But when it's perched on top of that tiny toy refinery at the end 112 00:05:32.579 --> 00:05:35.579 flailing its tentacles around, that's pretty terrible. 113 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:38.699 And there's also that other shot in episode 4 where they've got 114 00:05:38.699 --> 00:05:42.120 that fence and these little tiny tentacles come through it and 115 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:43.800 then it's pretty. 116 00:05:43.860 --> 00:05:45.779 And you're going, that is like the worst shot ever. 117 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.779 I think one of the most balling things for me is that like this 118 00:05:48.779 --> 00:05:51.720 story contains 2 of the highest rated episodes of the season 119 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:55.439 episode two, which has got 12.4 and the last episode, which got 120 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:56.399 9.9 million. 121 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:59.519 And so people tune in to see this. 122 00:05:59.579 --> 00:06:02.459 They tune in to see these wonderful special effects and that's 123 00:06:02.459 --> 00:06:03.720 what they remember about this show. 124 00:06:03.779 --> 00:06:06.540 And of course, in episode 2, then we have the man dressed up as 125 00:06:06.540 --> 00:06:10.199 Chrome and I'm saying, Mary 10, which is like just, it looks 126 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:12.000 ridiculous because it was supposed to be ridiculous. 127 00:06:12.060 --> 00:06:15.420 But if you've just tuned in as a casual viewer and you've got Mary 128 00:06:15.420 --> 00:06:18.480 attempting to scream with that guy in the puppet gloves and doing 129 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:20.040 all that, you'd be thinking, what the hell? 130 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.740 Do you know, I absolutely adore that scene. 131 00:06:22.860 --> 00:06:24.420 I think it is so brilliantly funny. 132 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.959 And it's the same joke that David Whittaker pulls in the rescue 133 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:31.439 where it turns out that the man in the rubber suit is a man in a 134 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:32.220 rubber suit. 135 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.699 And so, and the line, the doctor's line, it probably looked more 136 00:06:35.699 --> 00:06:37.139 convincing from the front. 137 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:38.579 You know how did you know? 138 00:06:38.699 --> 00:06:42.480 I do think, though, that in that moment where Mary Tann's going 139 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:50.399 what she's actually thinking is, get me my agent. 140 00:06:50.459 --> 00:06:53.519 I think that this is the moment where she's actually decided I'm 141 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:54.899 not doing another year of this. 142 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:55.920 Was she? 143 00:06:55.980 --> 00:06:59.639 I mean, having to scream at a monster really kind of works against 144 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:03.420 the sort of ironic detachment, then she's she's bringing to the 145 00:07:03.420 --> 00:07:04.560 part all year. 146 00:07:04.620 --> 00:07:09.240 And, you know, much like Mrs. Peel, she never really seriously 147 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.720 looks like she's, you know, upset or disturbed by any of the 148 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:13.620 danger she's in. 149 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:17.100 But yeah, in the stones of blood, she actually does a really good 150 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:20.100 scream when she's going down that cliff and it's really, really 151 00:07:20.100 --> 00:07:21.660 harrowing. 152 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:22.620 No I think... 153 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:23.339 Really? 154 00:07:23.339 --> 00:07:24.660 No, she pulls a funny face. 155 00:07:25.379 --> 00:07:27.420 She just can't scream. 156 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:28.319 I love it to death. 157 00:07:28.379 --> 00:07:29.939 I think she looks wonderful in this. 158 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:35.100 I love the hair and I love the brown mini skirted thing that she's 159 00:07:35.100 --> 00:07:35.399 got on. 160 00:07:35.459 --> 00:07:39.540 If you've ever seen the Kylie Minogue music video keep step back 161 00:07:39.540 --> 00:07:43.139 in time, watch for Kylie wearing a sort of a green version of that 162 00:07:43.139 --> 00:07:44.699 and her hair done very similar. 163 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:45.660 It's towards the end. 164 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:46.500 There's a couple of shots. 165 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.199 I just think, you know, somebody's watched this and gone, you know 166 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:49.800 she looks wonderful. 167 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:52.980 But I just, I love Romana in this. 168 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:53.819 I love Neari. 169 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:55.139 I mean, I alluded to it at the beginning. 170 00:07:55.199 --> 00:08:00.779 One of my favourite lines of hers in the entire show is when I'm 171 00:08:00.779 --> 00:08:03.420 rolled that sort of gets taken away by the Swampies and the doctor 172 00:08:03.420 --> 00:08:05.339 goes, well, who's, who's that? 173 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:08.040 And she goes, oh, well, data, a popular figure in these parts 174 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:09.120 about an hour ago. 175 00:08:09.180 --> 00:08:11.339 And just the way she delivers that line. 176 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:13.319 I just burst out laughing every time. 177 00:08:13.379 --> 00:08:17.160 When she's being threatened and interrogated by Rome Dart too. 178 00:08:17.220 --> 00:08:22.560 She's really sort of ambulously concerned and wisecracking and 179 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:22.920 stuff. 180 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:23.879 She really is good. 181 00:08:24.300 --> 00:08:29.759 She kind of exemplifies the Graham Williams era in that she's 182 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:32.399 smart, she's aware of the genre trope. 183 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:34.740 She's not too fussed by any of the danger. 184 00:08:34.860 --> 00:08:39.179 And so she very much reflects the, you know, the audience. 185 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.340 You know, it's a slightly older audience. 186 00:08:41.340 --> 00:08:44.460 We're aware that it's all in fun. 187 00:08:44.460 --> 00:08:47.519 And so we're kind of watching it along with her. 188 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:50.580 And I think that that's something that will only increase next 189 00:08:50.580 --> 00:08:52.799 year, which I'm really looking forward to. 190 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:57.299 She's also got some great moments in episode 4 when they're on the 191 00:08:57.299 --> 00:09:01.919 rack and the doctor's, you know, going on about, I don't know, rain 192 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.500 and Romana's telling a real goaty amount. 193 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.259 I mean, I'm rather more interested in surviving myself and stuff 194 00:09:07.259 --> 00:09:07.559 like that. 195 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:09.299 Like, you know, she really, is that Tom? 196 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:13.500 It's episode 3 and it's they're tied to a rank and... 197 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:14.519 Oh, this episode is rank. 198 00:09:14.580 --> 00:09:19.200 But my favourite detail is the moment that they get out of it is 199 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:22.080 she goes, my nose has stopped itching. 200 00:09:22.139 --> 00:09:25.919 Now that she's no longer tied up and she's able to scratch it, she 201 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:26.879 doesn't want to anymore. 202 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.480 And the doctor's line, this is no time to talk about noses. 203 00:09:30.539 --> 00:09:32.820 I just think all of that stuff is so funny. 204 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:36.480 But it is, again, you know, they're in mortal peril, but she 205 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:38.159 doesn't really care or what much. 206 00:09:38.220 --> 00:09:38.820 Yeah. 207 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.460 Can I talk about something I've said about the story for a while? 208 00:09:41.580 --> 00:09:44.940 And that is, it's a reworking of the space pirates. 209 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:49.080 And it's a precursor to K's. 210 00:09:49.139 --> 00:09:50.159 Yeah, yeah, pretty much. 211 00:09:50.220 --> 00:09:51.240 Do you have a checklist? 212 00:09:51.299 --> 00:09:53.039 I have something of a checklist. 213 00:09:53.100 --> 00:09:55.620 So instead of craven, we have Fenna. 214 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:56.460 Check. 215 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.559 Instead of Argonite, which was the most valuable substance in the 216 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:02.519 universe that's made up. 217 00:10:02.580 --> 00:10:07.080 We have methane, which crawl farts, which I think is a meta Robert 218 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:07.679 Holmes joke. 219 00:10:07.740 --> 00:10:09.419 He's like, if you're going to give me all this shopping list. 220 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:11.580 I'm going to make the most valuable substance of the world as 221 00:10:11.580 --> 00:10:14.580 farts. 222 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:19.320 What we don't have, what he's gotten rid of is the sort of space 223 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:23.759 police who were in the space pirates, led by Jack May at that 224 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:26.399 point, because I think he figured out they were awful and boring. 225 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.980 Instead of the beacon being broken up, We have the refineery as a 226 00:10:31.980 --> 00:10:32.399 setting. 227 00:10:32.460 --> 00:10:34.980 We do lose a few other things as well. 228 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.480 Of course, we don't have Madeline a Seagree or any animal. 229 00:10:39.539 --> 00:10:40.259 Any best women at all? 230 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:41.820 right. 231 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:42.419 Yeah, yeah. 232 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:43.799 It's poor, isn't it? 233 00:10:43.860 --> 00:10:44.639 It is. 234 00:10:44.700 --> 00:10:47.159 I mean, I would have liked to have seen one of the guys in the 235 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:51.360 refinery be a woman, but of course, Why aren't any of the Swampies 236 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:51.779 women? 237 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:53.039 I mean, I just think that's crazy. 238 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:54.480 It's a planet of man, again. 239 00:10:54.539 --> 00:10:55.980 What about what's his name? 240 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:56.879 The gun runner. 241 00:10:56.940 --> 00:10:58.679 That would have been great if... 242 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:00.120 If that character had been a woman. 243 00:11:00.179 --> 00:11:04.919 Yeah, well, Rome Dutch, who is sort of a slight eccentric. 244 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:05.940 He's Milo Clancy. 245 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:10.080 Yeah, but he's also... 246 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:11.399 Stops as a gun runner as well. 247 00:11:11.460 --> 00:11:13.679 Well, in fact, you've got exactly the same thing. 248 00:11:13.740 --> 00:11:17.700 You've got a planetary system with 2 planets. 249 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:21.179 In this case, we've got Delta Magna and the 3rd moon of Delta 250 00:11:21.179 --> 00:11:24.360 Magna, and we only ever go to the 3rd moon of Delta Magna, just 251 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.879 like we have Andrazani, Major and Andrazani Minor. 252 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:31.019 We've got someone paying a gun runner to bring guns to their 253 00:11:31.019 --> 00:11:35.460 enemies in order to prolong a conflict or create a reason to 254 00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:36.240 fight. 255 00:11:36.299 --> 00:11:39.840 We've, you know, again, got the most valuable substance in the 256 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:41.279 universe in spectrocks. 257 00:11:41.340 --> 00:11:44.399 Like the whole thing is sort of very similar and we've got a big 258 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.940 giant monster as well. you know, just to spice things up and 259 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:49.080 provide a cliffhanger. 260 00:11:49.139 --> 00:11:53.279 I think also a very telling thing is much like Space Pirates. 261 00:11:53.340 --> 00:11:59.159 Dr and Romana, in this case, don't have a great deal of bearing on 262 00:11:59.159 --> 00:11:59.639 the plot. 263 00:11:59.700 --> 00:12:02.700 They sort of come in at the end and stop the bomb from exploding 264 00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:03.299 and what have you. 265 00:12:03.419 --> 00:12:05.519 That's so perfunctory. 266 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:07.860 Yeah, yeah. really crazily bad. 267 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:12.720 It's like Anthony Reid has said to Robert Holmes, oh, the Dr 268 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:13.980 Romana haven't really done much. 269 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.440 They just run around getting locked up in this room and then they 270 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.559 get locked up in that hut and then they get tied to a rack at what 271 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:21.960 have you, which is exactly what happened in the space pirates as 272 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:22.139 well. 273 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.279 It's another example of a rare example, thankfully, of Robert 274 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:29.399 Holmes, preferring to tell stories about other people. 275 00:12:29.460 --> 00:12:33.659 Well, that sort of thing will become quite prevalent with his 276 00:12:33.659 --> 00:12:34.980 protégé later on. 277 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:37.980 Are you referring to the fact that the doctor has to stop the 278 00:12:37.980 --> 00:12:39.299 rocket from exploding? 279 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:40.740 Yeah, that's so dodgy. 280 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:44.820 That whole, like the whole set to Shakespeare, he's trying to do 281 00:12:44.820 --> 00:12:44.940 that. 282 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.700 That's one of the poorest pieces of directing and the whole 283 00:12:47.700 --> 00:12:48.059 thing. 284 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.639 And the countdown timer has been badly cut out. 285 00:12:50.700 --> 00:12:53.700 If you look at it, the sort of mask around it doesn't have 286 00:12:53.700 --> 00:12:59.399 straight edges and he gets 2 big bundles of wires and says, let's 287 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.100 hope these are the right ones and then joins them together. 288 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:07.320 Like, it really, we're not bothering to, you know, create a sort 289 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:08.519 of clever resolution here. 290 00:13:08.580 --> 00:13:11.940 We just create a crap one and then hang a lampshade on it, you 291 00:13:11.940 --> 00:13:12.120 know. 292 00:13:12.179 --> 00:13:13.259 Oh that was lucky. 293 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:17.879 So, you know, all of that, that is a little bit terrible, I 294 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:18.179 think. 295 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.460 We're heading towards the end of the season. 296 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:21.480 I think they're running out of money. 297 00:13:21.539 --> 00:13:24.720 I like a lot of the location work and I think it saves a lot of 298 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:24.960 it. 299 00:13:25.019 --> 00:13:26.700 The location is beautiful. 300 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:27.480 It's amazing. 301 00:13:27.539 --> 00:13:32.460 That opening scene where the TARDIS materialises and the reeds 302 00:13:32.460 --> 00:13:34.679 around it all the way up to the roof. 303 00:13:34.740 --> 00:13:38.159 So it's like just the roof materialising in a field of reeds. 304 00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:41.940 And then there's all this, you know, all these waterways and 305 00:13:41.940 --> 00:13:43.799 things and speedboats and stuff. 306 00:13:43.860 --> 00:13:46.980 All of that is really great, and they have a night shoot. 307 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.700 So, you know, the location stuff and there's a lot of it. 308 00:13:50.820 --> 00:13:51.840 I think it's really good. 309 00:13:51.899 --> 00:13:56.580 And what do you think of the swampies in terms of green and their 310 00:13:56.580 --> 00:13:57.899 hair nets and all that sort of thing? 311 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:05.039 So, look, I mean, they're not wearing many clothes, and there are 312 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.740 those famous stories about the difficulty getting the green makeup 313 00:14:07.740 --> 00:14:08.100 off. 314 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:12.480 So they were they went to a nearby army base and had to scrub each 315 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:14.220 other off in the showers. 316 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:16.139 I wish I hadn't quite put it like that actually. 317 00:14:16.139 --> 00:14:19.500 But so there are all those sort of stories. 318 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:24.000 Look, this is another Holmes colonialism thing. 319 00:14:24.059 --> 00:14:26.340 And it's pretty progressive. 320 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.200 You know, we always grit our teeth and cross our fingers when home 321 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:32.580 steals with anything like this. 322 00:14:33.059 --> 00:14:37.980 But, you know, politically it's pretty progressive, but sort of 323 00:14:37.980 --> 00:14:38.700 fairly obvious. 324 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:42.840 I mean, the moral is murdering a whole bunch of indigenous people 325 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:43.500 is wrong. 326 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.320 Kicking them off their land is sort of morally dodgy. 327 00:14:46.379 --> 00:14:50.340 It's not, you know, earth shatteringly, you know, inventive moral 328 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:53.940 insights or anything like that, but it's pretty solid, I think. 329 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:57.960 The biggest problem with the swamp is, is that Sean Appanieri's 330 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:02.580 character, who is called Rankin, is so stupid. 331 00:15:02.700 --> 00:15:06.600 Yeah, but I think that also leads to something a bit more 332 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:10.139 progressive in the script in that a lot of colonial texts. 333 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.639 The natives are seen, natives in inverted colours. are seen as 334 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:18.779 stupid, superstitious idiots and the white man comes in and 335 00:15:18.779 --> 00:15:21.360 enlightens them by destroying their culture. 336 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:26.639 Whereas in this, yes, Rankwin is he's superstitious and he's 337 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:27.899 myopic and what have you. 338 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:32.399 But the other swampies around him, they are more rational and they 339 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:37.019 question, well, if this is true, then why is this happening? 340 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:42.240 They're achieving their own enlightenment without the colonial 341 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:43.379 influence. 342 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.559 You know, they're coming to their own realisations that perhaps 343 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:48.600 their religion is not all there is. 344 00:15:48.659 --> 00:15:52.080 Yeah, they're a bit younger, and I think, you know, there's that 345 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.840 realisation that you've just discussed. 346 00:15:54.899 --> 00:15:56.279 And I think they're all well played. 347 00:15:56.340 --> 00:15:56.940 I think that's the thing. 348 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:58.379 I mean, I even think he is very good. 349 00:15:58.500 --> 00:15:59.399 Oh, he is. 350 00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:00.899 John Avonira. fantastic. 351 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.000 Wasn't he Colonel General Carrington? 352 00:16:03.059 --> 00:16:03.720 General Carrington. 353 00:16:03.779 --> 00:16:04.080 Yes. 354 00:16:04.139 --> 00:16:07.980 And Railton in Death to the Dialects, where he gets an arrow in 355 00:16:07.980 --> 00:16:08.220 his back. 356 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:09.120 Very early on. 357 00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:10.320 Very early on. 358 00:16:10.379 --> 00:16:13.379 Yeah, yeah. he's he's kind of the big guest star of that story. 359 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:15.179 He's killed off early, we discussed at the time. 360 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:16.980 But it carries all of those scenes. 361 00:16:16.980 --> 00:16:18.539 Yeah, he is very good. 362 00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:22.740 In fact, I think most of the car lost, both outside the Rafani 363 00:16:22.740 --> 00:16:26.399 inside the farming generally, I think are fairly competent and 364 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:31.200 actually sell a lot of the blender dialogue that Robert Holmes 365 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:32.879 this time has had to deliver. 366 00:16:32.940 --> 00:16:36.419 The Sons of Earth things very interesting, which I kind of equate 367 00:16:36.419 --> 00:16:41.639 a bit to Greenpeast, which I think were becoming more prominent, I 368 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:42.539 remember as a child. 369 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:46.139 And certainly the media painted green piece is these wacky loonies 370 00:16:46.139 --> 00:16:48.960 which is sort of painted a bit like this in this story. 371 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:50.340 Yeah, that's the attitude, you know? 372 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:53.039 Thorn and Philip Murdoch, yeah. 373 00:16:53.100 --> 00:16:55.980 But you know, thank goodness they were making a stand when they 374 00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:57.059 were in the 1970s. 375 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:58.620 Otherwise, you know, where would we be today? 376 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:03.360 Yeah, and also, it's interesting that they're not presented as mad 377 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:07.680 loonies, you know, we only get one speech from a sons of earth 378 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.859 character who is, of course, Dugin, played by John Leeson because 379 00:17:10.859 --> 00:17:15.960 canine couldn't go on the marshes, but his speech and then death 380 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.259 actually serves to further the idea. 381 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:23.039 It's interesting that that idea doesn't play more of a role in the 382 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:23.339 plot. 383 00:17:23.460 --> 00:17:28.380 You know, we don't see the sons of Earth, except for Dugin's last 384 00:17:28.380 --> 00:17:28.619 stand. 385 00:17:28.740 --> 00:17:32.339 But yeah, it's a little bit of world building. 386 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:35.460 Yeah, and the homes always does do that, I think. 387 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.220 You know, you always get the impression that there's more going on 388 00:17:38.220 --> 00:17:41.519 in the world than we actually get to see, and he'll always 389 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.059 reference, you know, names and places and people that we haven't 390 00:17:45.059 --> 00:17:45.539 heard of. 391 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:47.220 And Sons Verse, a perfect example. 392 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:48.119 So they're there. 393 00:17:48.180 --> 00:17:51.180 The swampies originally think that the sons of Earth are providing 394 00:17:51.180 --> 00:17:54.420 them with weapons, but does you gain point that out earlier on 395 00:17:54.420 --> 00:17:56.759 that there's no way they would do that because they're sort of 396 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:58.559 famously pacifist or something like that? 397 00:17:58.619 --> 00:17:59.519 Yeah, yeah. 398 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.400 And it turns out, of course, Thorn is doing it, just like Morgus 399 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:05.940 will later on, just to get a conflict going. 400 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.380 Who plays Thorn? 401 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.700 Neil McCarthy, who we previously saw as Barnum in the mind of 402 00:18:11.700 --> 00:18:12.059 evil. 403 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:12.839 Of course. 404 00:18:12.900 --> 00:18:15.420 I kept a big giant head, doesn't he? 405 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:16.920 Like one hell of a giant hair. 406 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:20.640 But between Neil, Philip Maddock, and John Leason, I think they do 407 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.940 a great job of distinguishing those 3 characters within that 408 00:18:23.940 --> 00:18:25.140 really bland set. 409 00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:27.240 Because there's a guy, is it hard? 410 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:31.980 He wraps himself in a tentacle and climbs into a pipe. 411 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:32.759 Yeah, that's right. 412 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:33.779 Terrible. 413 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:34.859 He's terrible. 414 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.559 I really think he is that bad. 415 00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:40.140 And that's another thing that's quite funny. 416 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.140 Nathan is like, as you said, he climbs into the thing and I think 417 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:45.839 it's Thorn or somebody who says, oh, yes, you know, it's just been 418 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:49.140 broken like it's like it's wood because it probably is. 419 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:54.059 But it's one of those ironic lines that Holmes, or maybe Anthony 420 00:18:54.059 --> 00:18:55.680 Reed has come up with and thrown it in there. 421 00:18:55.740 --> 00:18:58.680 It does sound like a home sign because Holmes is constantly making 422 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:02.460 fun of the production limitations in the actual script itself. 423 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:07.079 Inside the refinery, we have Thorn, who's Neil McCarthy, and he's 424 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:08.640 really terrific actually. 425 00:19:08.700 --> 00:19:11.339 I think he's a he is a great villain. 426 00:19:11.460 --> 00:19:14.880 You know, he's unpleasant, he's not camp. 427 00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:18.059 He's not intentionally funny or anything like that. 428 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:22.019 He's kind of horrible and low rent, but he is just kind of 429 00:19:22.019 --> 00:19:22.619 horrible. 430 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.319 But he works quite well because he doesn't overdo it. 431 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:29.160 And he swings, and he swings, he swings back a bit to not being 432 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.920 quite the villain at certain times when he goes outside and sees 433 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:33.839 Croll and is sort of all shaken up by that. 434 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:35.400 It's actually quite a nice. 435 00:19:35.460 --> 00:19:37.859 I think it's a really good performance and then you've got Philip 436 00:19:37.859 --> 00:19:40.319 Maddock somewhere in the middle who goes one way and then the 437 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:40.500 other. 438 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:43.740 So Philip Maddock, of course, thought that he was going to be the 439 00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:44.400 villain. 440 00:19:44.460 --> 00:19:47.880 And so this is his last story for the program, I think. 441 00:19:47.940 --> 00:19:51.599 And I think it is because he was annoyed that he was playing a bit 442 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.279 part rather than the actual villain. 443 00:19:53.339 --> 00:19:57.539 He is terrific, so he doesn't get to do the shouty blustry thing 444 00:19:57.539 --> 00:19:58.200 he does. 445 00:19:58.259 --> 00:20:03.900 He does that sort of low, deep, contained, menacing thing that he 446 00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:05.819 does so terrifically well. 447 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.059 It does waste him a little bit, but he does get to do some really 448 00:20:09.059 --> 00:20:09.839 good acting. 449 00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:13.200 I particularly like his response when Thorne kills Du Geen. 450 00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:15.420 I think he's he's great. 451 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.799 You know, he's as much of a villain as Thorn in the sense that he 452 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:21.839 doesn't care, particularly about the swamp. 453 00:20:22.259 --> 00:20:26.640 He's not quite as bad as Thorn, but he, you know, like he's not a 454 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:27.180 good guy. 455 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:31.859 Yeah, I mean, it sort of helps to shade in because you've got 456 00:20:31.859 --> 00:20:35.819 Thorn who hates the swampies and wants to see them all wiped out. 457 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:40.680 You've got Dugin, who believes that as the native people there 458 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:45.240 they have a right to that land where the humans don't. 459 00:20:45.299 --> 00:20:50.880 And then you've got Fenner in the middle, Philip Maddock, who even 460 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:53.279 says at one point, I've got no particular love for the swampies 461 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:54.420 but I don't want to see them wiped out. 462 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:55.319 Yeah. 463 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:59.160 You know, and so it gives us middle ground where in these post 464 00:20:58.380 --> 00:21:00.480 colonial stories, we don't always have that. 465 00:21:00.539 --> 00:21:03.420 In terms of the casting. 466 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.180 And this has been reported and contradicted. 467 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:07.980 So I've tried to make as much sense of it as I can. 468 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:12.420 Apparently, Maddock was tentatively offered the part of Thorn that 469 00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:13.559 had another production on. 470 00:21:13.619 --> 00:21:14.819 So said, look, I can't do it. 471 00:21:14.940 --> 00:21:15.480 Right. 472 00:21:15.539 --> 00:21:18.779 The guy playing Fenner, Alan Browning, dropped out. 473 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.859 And Philip Maddox, other production, dropped through. got pushed 474 00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:23.400 back or something. 475 00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:27.240 So he got in touch with Norman Stewart and said, oh, look, I'm 476 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:27.480 available. 477 00:21:27.539 --> 00:21:29.519 And Norman Stewart said, oh, well, I've got a part for you. 478 00:21:29.579 --> 00:21:31.440 And it ends up being... 479 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:32.279 It ends up being fed. 480 00:21:32.339 --> 00:21:35.640 And because Thorn had since been recast as Neil McCarthy, and 481 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.460 that's why Philip Maddock thought he was getting the role. of 482 00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:38.819 thought. 483 00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:41.460 Because I always thought, you know, it's very weird that he 484 00:21:41.460 --> 00:21:44.460 thought he was being thorn and then turned up to rehearsals and 485 00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:48.359 he's being Fenna, unless, and that's where I did my research and 486 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.319 found out, oh, okay, it seems like he was off of Thorn originally 487 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.799 turned it down, and then he was offered a part and thought, oh 488 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:56.400 it's the same part. 489 00:21:56.460 --> 00:21:57.839 It wasn't. 490 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:01.319 Apparently, Martin Jarvis was going to play Dugin. 491 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:04.440 Uh, yes, yes, that's right. 492 00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:09.599 And he had to pull out and they suddenly realised that John Leeson 493 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:12.900 was contracted for the 4 episodes anyway, they would have had to 494 00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:13.740 pay him regardless. 495 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.680 And so they just said, do you want to do this? 496 00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:17.519 He's like, oh, great. 497 00:22:17.579 --> 00:22:21.000 You know, I get to spend 4 weeks not on my hands and knees running 498 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:21.599 around the studio. 499 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:24.839 They save money, you know, they don't have to pay somebody else. 500 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:25.559 Exactly. 501 00:22:25.619 --> 00:22:26.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 502 00:22:26.460 --> 00:22:30.839 There's a wonderful moment in one of the commentaries because it's 503 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:32.099 Tom and John Leeson. 504 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:33.119 Oh wow. 505 00:22:33.180 --> 00:22:33.900 Yeah. 506 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.079 So, for instance, when everyone comes out of the TARDIS at the 507 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:40.619 beginning, you get this wonderful bit of, oh, Mary. 508 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.259 Oh, John, I saw Mary the other day. 509 00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.000 She's still so beautiful. 510 00:22:46.980 --> 00:22:52.200 And then you get the 1st scene in the refinery and John Lisa says 511 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:53.099 hold on, that's me. 512 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:56.039 And then Dugin says, I'm getting an echo track on here. 513 00:22:56.099 --> 00:22:57.720 Oh, tell me about it mate. 514 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:01.259 So there's no Philip Maddock commentary? 515 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.180 There's no Philip Maddock commentary and this is the only 516 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:06.660 commentary for the series in the box set that doesn't feature... 517 00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:08.579 There's not a Mary Tam commentary on the disc. 518 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:09.359 Oh okay. 519 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:14.160 It's such a shame that John Leeson doesn't get to act in many 520 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.140 scenes with Mary and Tom in this. 521 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:19.920 Like, I think there's only like one scene virtually with Tom and 522 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:22.259 then I think Mary and Tom are down the corridor when he gets 523 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:22.440 shot. 524 00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:25.500 It does show his acting chops a bit. 525 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:29.519 Because he plays the role very convincingly and very 526 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:33.839 sympathetically, and there's no 4th wall breaking sense where he 527 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.240 makes a joke about dogs or something, you know? 528 00:23:36.299 --> 00:23:38.759 It's actually a bit of a thankless role. 529 00:23:38.819 --> 00:23:42.359 There's a lot of sitting looking at screens in episode 3 watching 530 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:43.500 the farts builder. 531 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:44.460 You know what I mean? 532 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.819 It's not really an acting tour de force. 533 00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:48.660 No. 534 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.380 And Philip Maddock does get the wonderful line at one point of 535 00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:52.500 it. 536 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:54.000 It hasn't moved in 15 minutes. 537 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:59.160 I love it when it moves across the screen and like you, as a kid, I 538 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.559 like the fact that, oh, yes, it's a big giant octopus thing in 539 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:02.579 there going, oh, what's that? 540 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:03.000 What's that? 541 00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:04.859 And they're absolutely clueless. 542 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:08.759 I love those things And the graphic itself is quite good for the 543 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:09.000 time. 544 00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:09.839 Yeah. 545 00:24:09.900 --> 00:24:13.200 Yeah, the sort of vaguely oscilloscope kind of thing. 546 00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:16.079 The 7 rituals of death. 547 00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:17.519 Seven holy rituals. 548 00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:18.839 Holy rituals. 549 00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:19.619 What are they? 550 00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:24.240 No, neither do I. throw into the shriven Zahl. 551 00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.579 Watching invisible enemy. 552 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:31.619 So there's one thing that we haven't mentioned, and it's been 553 00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:34.859 historically a massively important part of our program during the 554 00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:38.579 coverage of the 1970s, and that's Welshwide. 555 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:39.420 Yes, he's back. 556 00:24:39.539 --> 00:24:40.920 Really? 557 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:43.859 Yeah, no, Terry Walsh, and he actually has a name. 558 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:45.299 He actually plays a character. 559 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.480 He's not just donning the Tom Wig and throwing himself around a 560 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:49.259 swamp or anything. 561 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:55.559 He plays Mensch, who is the servant, you know, the swampy servant 562 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:59.400 who's attending them in episode one. and he doesn't get counted. 563 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:01.079 Remember the Swampies don't count. 564 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:03.660 So when they count, how many people are living on the refinery 565 00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:04.319 they leave him out. 566 00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:08.099 And isn't he a bit brighter green than the rest of them? 567 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:12.000 He is. a studio swampy and he doesn't get outside very much, so 568 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.700 he's not quite as tanned as the others. 569 00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:18.660 I do wonder if by the time they got into the studio, maybe they 570 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:21.660 used a different green paint after what happened on location. 571 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:24.299 Yes, one that would come off in the shower. 572 00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:28.680 I know I was having the scrub terry for hours after recording. 573 00:25:28.740 --> 00:25:33.240 And so predictably he betrays them because they have such 574 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:35.759 disregard for him, which I think is pretty good. 575 00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:39.119 Oh, he will be back once more. 576 00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:41.220 We have one more Walsh watch next year. 577 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.440 Does he speak as men? 578 00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:44.099 I't remember. 579 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.259 We see him get out of radio at one point, but do we actually hear 580 00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:46.740 him talk? 581 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.559 I can't remember because he does talk in his next role next year. 582 00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:50.160 Yeah, yeah. 583 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.220 The scene where he has ventures offering drinks around, of course 584 00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:57.000 gives Tom a little bit of a little bit of comedy, but because of 585 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:01.799 the way the scene is shot. you've got to really look at it. 586 00:26:01.859 --> 00:26:04.740 But have a look at the scene where Mench is offering drinks 587 00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:05.099 around. 588 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:09.240 And this gives rise to Tom Baker's anecdote about when he was 589 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:11.339 having arguments with directors about how he was playing the 590 00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:11.700 scene. 591 00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.759 And Tom now says, you know, he would say to directors that Time 592 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.579 Lords have this tradition where when you are given a glass or 593 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:20.700 something, you raise it to your ear so that you can something like 594 00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:22.500 hear the world of the people around you. 595 00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:27.539 And the directors would say, that's a complete load of toss, isn't 596 00:26:27.539 --> 00:26:27.720 it? 597 00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:28.980 And Tom says, yes, it is rather. 598 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:34.140 But in this, Tom takes a glass of something, raises it to his ear 599 00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:36.480 and then drops it in his pocket. 600 00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:37.559 Really? 601 00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:37.980 Yes. 602 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:40.019 Have a look at that, have a look at that scene again. 603 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:41.579 It's his 1st scene in the refinery. 604 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:43.740 Mench gives him a drink, and it's never referenced again. 605 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:45.779 Like, you think maybe he's going to pull it out at some point. 606 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.660 Then throw it at the fake Kroll who's menacing Romana. 607 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:49.920 No, never seen again. 608 00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:53.160 That's better than pertly drinking cups of tea with his eyes. 609 00:26:56.339 --> 00:26:58.200 I can't remember. 610 00:26:58.259 --> 00:27:00.539 Sometime in the 70s, someone hands in the cup of tea. 611 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.940 He looks at it and then he hands it back and he's done. 612 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:04.559 Oh, yes, that's right. great. 613 00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:05.640 That's in the time monster. 614 00:27:06.660 --> 00:27:12.960 Tom's goloshes change between students and location work. 615 00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:15.900 It's one of those things that just annoys me a little bit. 616 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:17.519 But then you get other things that I really like. 617 00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:20.039 Like when they walk into the refoning, there's a shot of the rain 618 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.279 outside of a window and it's just, I think it's a brilliant little 619 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:23.579 shot. 620 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:28.559 The TARDIS has always had chameleonic footwear, though, because, of 621 00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:32.819 course, the doctor's shoes and indeed entire clothes changed 622 00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:34.259 during his 1st generation. 623 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:38.519 There are several stories where the 2nd doctor managers to whip 624 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:39.720 galoshes on and off. 625 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.559 You know, so it's not it's not without precedent, but yeah, Tom 626 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:47.940 goes from wearing brown brogues to giant green, stripy galoshes. 627 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.500 It's a little bit noticeable. 628 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.559 So how do we feel about the key to time at this point in the 629 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:52.920 season? 630 00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:56.819 We had a recap, I think, at the, you know, at the beginning of the 631 00:27:56.819 --> 00:27:59.460 3rd story at the beginning of Stones of Blood just to bring us all 632 00:27:59.460 --> 00:27:59.940 up to speed. 633 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.259 Well, this is my 5th favourite story, the key to time. 634 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.059 It's all going downhill for you, is it? 635 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:09.180 Well, yeah, but I think I think this is slightly weaker than the 636 00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:10.980 1st 4 segments. 637 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.259 But there's still a lot to like in it. 638 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.400 And I do like this. 639 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:16.859 And the key to time, well, doesn't really figure that much. 640 00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:20.220 I mean, again, Paul Romana has to be turned into an idiot when it 641 00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:22.799 comes to what where the actual segment is and what it actually 642 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:23.039 is. 643 00:28:23.099 --> 00:28:25.559 They kind of don't even mention it for a while. 644 00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:27.299 Oh, it's all over the swamp, isn't it? 645 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:28.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 646 00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:32.460 I quite like that much like in the stones of blood. 647 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.460 The properties of the key to time are explored. 648 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:39.480 So in the stones of blood, the key to time was helping Sussair, to 649 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.380 change the appearance of herself and the stones and what have 650 00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:43.619 you. 651 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.299 In this, the properties of the key allow Kroll to grow to a 652 00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:51.299 massive size and to expel all that methane. 653 00:28:53.099 --> 00:28:53.759 Just makes no sense. 654 00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:55.500 For a hungry planet. 655 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.299 With me thing, with a gas. 656 00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.640 What the hell? 657 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:00.359 I don't know. 658 00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:02.099 It was probably more convincing from the front. 659 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.160 Did Anthony Reid and Randy Mimmons not understand what methane 660 00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:05.579 actually was? 661 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.940 Bob just put it in there and they just said, oh, yes, yes, yes 662 00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:10.500 it's just a term and they just didn't really understand? 663 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:15.779 Well, I do, I do wonder if, at the time, energy researchers were 664 00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:19.619 perhaps looking into methane as a substitute for natural gas 665 00:29:19.619 --> 00:29:22.259 because, of course, you can ignite me pain, you can probably cook 666 00:29:22.259 --> 00:29:22.740 with it. 667 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.019 You just may not want to taste the food. 668 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:26.099 Isn't it natural? 669 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.900 Yes, it's natural. 670 00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:31.140 Lots of things are natural type. 671 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.500 But okay, this is Bob Holmes' last script for a while. 672 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:35.640 Do we know why? 673 00:29:35.700 --> 00:29:36.359 Why? 674 00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:38.880 Is it because he's tired or did he golf and do other things or he 675 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:39.900 just didn't want to do Doctor Who? 676 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.599 Well, he certainly went off and did Blake's episodes of Blake 7. 677 00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:44.759 Great episodes of Blake 7, actually. 678 00:29:44.819 --> 00:29:48.059 Yeah, I think he was probably just a bit bored with Doctor Who. 679 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.880 You know, it's a bit like Russell T. Davis was in charge of Doctor 680 00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:51.779 Who for 5 years. 681 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:55.799 And aside from a two-parter for the Sarah Jane Adventures, he 682 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.180 hasn't written for it again. 683 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.000 And he says, you know, oh, I'm busy working other things. 684 00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:02.099 I love to do at some point, but I'm busy working on other things. 685 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:09.059 But that's the thing with most writers will say that even if 686 00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:12.900 they've written a series of something, they want to move on to 687 00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:13.319 other things. 688 00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:16.680 Like, you know, J.K. Rowling could still be writing Harry Potter 689 00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.500 books now, if it was just about the money, but it's not. 690 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:20.279 It's about the art. 691 00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:22.559 You know, she had a story and she told it, and that's it. 692 00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:27.900 Agatha Christie famously hated Poirot, and only kept writing him 693 00:30:27.900 --> 00:30:30.359 because the readers wanted to read him. 694 00:30:30.420 --> 00:30:32.819 They're like Conan Doyle and Sherlock Holmes. 695 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:33.660 Exactly, yeah. 696 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.079 That is why Agatha Christie invented Miss Marple, because she 697 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.720 thought, Okay, yeah, I need to write this priorogue guy, but I'm 698 00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:40.619 going to write someone I actually like. 699 00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:44.279 Actually, Donna Noble invented, Miss Miss Marple. 700 00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:44.700 That's true. 701 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:50.099 But I think it is interesting that Anthony Reed, a script editor 702 00:30:50.099 --> 00:30:53.640 has to ask Bob Holmes to come in and write another story for this 703 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:54.000 season. 704 00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:55.440 Like, are there no other writers? 705 00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:59.519 I mean, obviously Chris Boucher's gone on and is now writing for 706 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:00.059 Blake 7? 707 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:01.980 He's one of the new writers that they've had over the last 2 708 00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:02.220 years. 709 00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:05.700 And I applaud Anthony Reid because he's obviously worked with 710 00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:10.140 Douglas Adams and with David Fisher on, you know, 3 stories in a 711 00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:12.720 row, you know, new writers to nurture them and get all their 712 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.279 scripts up to speed. 713 00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:17.460 And so obviously he wants a script that can be delivered that he 714 00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:18.720 doesn't have to do a lot of work on. 715 00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:20.579 You know, Bob is an obvious candidate. 716 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:22.920 Is there no one else? 717 00:31:23.460 --> 00:31:25.680 We could have asked Bob Baker and Dave Martin to do another 718 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:26.099 story. 719 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.380 They could have asked them to do another story. 720 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.900 In fact, I think they should have asked them to do this story, at 721 00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:33.720 least it would have only been 4 episodes, but I'm getting ahead of 722 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.380 myself here. as quite often happens with Robert Holmes. he was not 723 00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:39.000 the original writer for this slot. 724 00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:41.759 There was nothing in this slot for ages. 725 00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:45.420 And then the writer for the 4th story, which would eventually 726 00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:46.680 become the androids of Tara. 727 00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.319 It was a chap called Ted Lewis, who was attempting to write a 728 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.000 story called The Shield of Zarak. 729 00:31:51.059 --> 00:31:52.380 We know very little about it. 730 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:53.640 Sounds terrible, though. 731 00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:54.660 It does sound tiresome. 732 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.220 But that fell through. 733 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.119 And so Anthony Reed, facing a bit of a script crisis because now 734 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.240 you know, in his mind, it's like, okay, we've got one story, which 735 00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:04.680 isn't sorted, that's not so bad. 736 00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:07.319 Suddenly he's got two, and that's why he turned to David Fisher 737 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:08.099 and Bob Holmes. 738 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:08.579 Right. 739 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.579 Because these are 2 people who can turn it around. 740 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:13.799 David Fisher was a great discovery this year. 741 00:32:13.859 --> 00:32:17.640 I think he wrote 2 pretty good stories, you know, so he's written 742 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:19.500 a 3rd of the season just about. 743 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:20.400 He'll be back. 744 00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:22.200 I think he's good. 745 00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:23.279 I think he's good too. 746 00:32:23.339 --> 00:32:25.980 And I think I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, Anthony Reid had 747 00:32:25.980 --> 00:32:30.420 to do a bit of work. on the stones of blood, so that David Fisher 748 00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:32.279 understood the story structure and all that sort of thing. 749 00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:36.059 But I think he's such a competent writer that he probably had to 750 00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:38.519 do very little work on the Android Satara. 751 00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:41.759 So he had Tara going, and then there was this slot, what am I 752 00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:42.299 going to do? 753 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:43.559 And Bob's your man. 754 00:32:43.619 --> 00:32:45.000 Which one does Fisher do next year? 755 00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:49.019 He does creature from the pit, but he also wrote a gamble with 756 00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:52.200 time, which, of course, is what the city of death got turned 757 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:52.619 into. 758 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.019 And then leisure hype, obviously, for season 18. 759 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.640 And then no more, which is such a shame. 760 00:32:56.700 --> 00:32:59.700 But anyway, it's JNT's fault. talk about that at the time. 761 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.220 And what about Nelly Melba's party piece? 762 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:03.539 That's stunning. 763 00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:04.440 Yeah, stupid. 764 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.880 Look, I think there's a lot of, I think there's a lot inmates. 765 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.940 There's a lot of tiny little touches that I really like and find 766 00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:12.420 amusing. 767 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:13.920 Yeah, it's still homes. 768 00:33:13.980 --> 00:33:14.519 He's still funny. 769 00:33:14.579 --> 00:33:17.880 You know, it's nothing earth shattering, but, you know, it's 770 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:21.240 competent fun performances, some funny jokes, you know, what 771 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.460 morning one, big giant fart monster. 772 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.559 The working title for this story? 773 00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:27.299 Very tense, fabulous. 774 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:28.259 Planet of Farts. 775 00:33:31.380 --> 00:33:32.759 The moon of death. 776 00:33:32.819 --> 00:33:34.079 Oh, really? 777 00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:37.259 That's another bum joke from home. 778 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.180 The moon of death. 779 00:33:39.299 --> 00:33:41.279 Didn't we have that last year? 780 00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:45.779 I just came up with a conspiracy theory, which is kind of what I 781 00:33:45.779 --> 00:33:46.980 do on these podcasts. 782 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.480 Is it about unit dating? 783 00:33:48.539 --> 00:33:49.740 It's not about unit dating. 784 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:51.660 Are you sure it's not about unit data? 785 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:52.980 It's not about unit dating this time. 786 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:56.700 It's also not about how the TARDIS knows when to put phone calls 787 00:33:56.700 --> 00:33:57.599 through to the doctor. 788 00:33:57.660 --> 00:34:00.900 Thank you, listener Mike Williams, who raised that the other day 789 00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:02.039 on our Facebook page. 790 00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:05.880 No, I said at the beginning of this, that Graham McDonald had put 791 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.639 down the edict that this script needed to have less comedy. 792 00:34:08.699 --> 00:34:12.900 And yet next year in Doctor Who, we get a lot more comedy. 793 00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:19.619 I wonder if this script was deliberately produced, not only with 794 00:34:19.619 --> 00:34:24.420 less comedy, but with less care, let's say, than the previous four 795 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:27.960 stories, to prove that you can't do Doctor Who without comedy. 796 00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:33.059 And as such, Graham McDonald relented... 797 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.300 Perhaps, just perhaps doing this now, we might go too far in the 798 00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:36.719 other direction. 799 00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:41.460 Or maybe not, maybe it's actually the next story that is produced 800 00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:46.619 without comedy, to prove the fact that we need to do a lot more 801 00:34:46.619 --> 00:34:47.880 comedy the following season. 802 00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:04.139 Well, we're taking off on a rather smelly rocket sled at the 803 00:35:04.139 --> 00:35:04.380 moment. 804 00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:06.360 From the Moon of Delta Magna. 805 00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:09.719 We will next see you on the planet of Atreos next week for the 806 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:10.739 Armageddon factor. 807 00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:11.760 Don't eat the food. 808 00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:12.239 Tom. 809 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.719 Don't forget, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety 810 00:35:14.219 --> 00:35:15.719 com. 811 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.440 Flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on 812 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:20.039 Twitter. 813 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.940 And don't forget, dear listeners, you can now catch bondfinger 814 00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:25.739 commentaries on bondfinger.com. 815 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.699 So that's the 1st 5 Sean Connery films on Bondfinger.com 816 00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:33.360 Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and Bond Fingercast on Twitter. 817 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:37.619 Until we see you on one of those, may none of your farts be sent 818 00:35:37.619 --> 00:35:39.179 off in rockets as a power source. 819 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.380 Thank you very much and good night. 820 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:41.219 Good night. 821 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:42.599 See you, Moon. 822 00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:49.739 That was flat through entirety with Todd Booby, Nathan Bottomley 823 00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:50.760 and Brendan Jones. 824 00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:55.079 This episode, another Holmes Colonialism thing, was recorded on 825 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:56.579 November the 8th, 2015. 826 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:00.599 The next episode will be released on January 10th, between the 827 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.619 Scarrison's Milk, and Kroll's Mithane, I dread to think what food 828 00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:06.300 we will get from a rajo next year. 829 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.219 We want to take that toy off, Alfie. 830 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.380 Definitely. 831 00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:17.159 What's he going? 832 00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:19.800 Oh, that'll that's a squeeze toy. 833 00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:20.760 It will make a noise. 834 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.179 Oh, well, if he makes a noise, makes a noise. 835 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.880 It's all part of life theatre. 836 00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:28.920 It's part of it. 837 00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:31.079 Should I close the door? 838 00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:34.500 Oh, that might that might help with the airplane noise, yeah. 839 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.239 Yeah, it doesn't actually happen all. 840 00:36:36.300 --> 00:36:36.960 Is it who this? 841 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:38.940 Little man. 842 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:39.960 Take that off. 843 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.800 Do you want to take a toy that you've already broken the squeeze 844 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:44.460 thing for? 845 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.079 Nope, I want that one. 846 00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:47.639 You know he wants them. 847 00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:48.659 You have Dumbo. 848 00:36:49.019 --> 00:36:51.179 Prince is upstairs. 849 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:53.639 Who is? 850 00:36:53.699 --> 00:36:55.920 Prince, is his favourite boy? 851 00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:57.480 I know he has sex with. 852 00:36:57.659 --> 00:37:02.519 He doesn't sex with him. fixed early in a week, but duh. 853 00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:04.440 And he was popping Prince. 854 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.019 What do you think of this story, Alfie? 855 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:08.460 Little me? 856 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:09.420 What do you reckon? 857 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:10.679 Okay. 858 00:37:10.739 --> 00:37:11.760 He's got no opinion. 859 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.420 He's really Colin Baker fan, actually. 860 00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:19.380 It's all the it's all the bright colours. 861 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:20.340 The colour of movement. 862 00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:22.320 Okay.