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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm the Von Trapp family chorus sacrificing pool filters to Boney

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M's backup caraton for this episode.

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That's the most baroque you've ever gone, Richard.

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And becoming increasingly baroque now is the horns of Nimon.

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All the horns of Nina Simone, just to continue with a musical

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theme.

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So, as our resident podcast classicist, can I go all professory?

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painter.

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Yes, please.

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Please do.

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So this is obviously a reworking of the story of Theseus and the

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Minotaur.

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And once again, as we found in underworld, in the future, space

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myths are merely anagram of our normal Greek myths.

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And so...

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So we have Aneth, instead of Athens.

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We have Skonos instead of Knossos, which is City in Crete.

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We have Krinoff, which is an anagram of Corinth, which was the

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other sort of major city in Greece.

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Soldeed is just Deedless, who is the...

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Yes, rather than King Minos, he is definitely...

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Yeah, well, Dedalus creates the labyrinth, and Naimon is, of

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course, a sort of anagram of the beginning of the word Minotaur.

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And SOT, does he come in?

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Isn't that a toss?

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Well, no, Seth is an anagram of Theseus.

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You know, so it is, I don't know who...

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Does he come in?

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No, right.

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Tinker and Tish.

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So what about Sorak?

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Who's Sorak?

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No, no idea.

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But Sergeant Benton.

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That's who I thought it was when I was a kid.

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There is more to it than that because what many people don't know

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having read, you know, children's book versions of the Minotaur, is

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they don't know how the Minotaur came about.

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Well, some of us do.

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What rating do we have for this episode?

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Well, I'm going to try and be a bit coy about it, but King Minos's

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wife, Passave, was afflicted with an unnatural, a natural urge.

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And so she made herself a cow out of wicker work and climbed into

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it. of Edward Woodward and then allowed herself to be pleasured by

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a bull.

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And so the monotor is actually... we've all been to crazy. sick.

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That's it under the influence of Uzo, what wouldn't you do?

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So the minor tories is, in fact, like a symbol of just the darker

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sexual desires of the human mind, and it's no, it's no coincidence

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that it lives inside a dark cavernous labyrinth, you know.

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It's the shadow self.

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Isn't he also representative of as the true nature of the shadow

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is the urge to live. is the urge to recreate, to move above the

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mundane, to the essence of life itself.

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If we talk about the great journey of life.

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Then perhaps, as you would describe the shadow, as if without your

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shadow, you simply, with lachromise, you just fall into

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disinterest.

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So about time says that the original myth of the Minotaur is a

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tale of everything animalistic and Freudian in human consciousness

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but that this is about a bullheaded alien who fires energy bolts

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from its horns and lives in some space corridors.

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I wasn't aware of that origin of the minotaur.

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And well, it just appears now, I have a whole new appreciation for

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Corey Bernardi, because he's actually just trying to protect us

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from Minotaurs.

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Yes, clearly.

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As well as...

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As far as Venardia, I seen it too in South Australia who says that

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if you have gay marriage in Australia for overseas listener, it

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will lead to bestiality.

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Exactly.

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That's why we call him Corgi Bernardi.

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Yes, that's right.

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So that's right. protecting us from Nimon and women in trousers.

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Is that why when Soldid finally passes away, he giggles as he

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died?

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Is that why?

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Because he's falling on Corey Banard?

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Because he was enjoying this as much as I love this story.

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I love this story.

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And we should vote also.

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Graham McDonald.

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Sent notes. really early on to Tony Reid, to Anthony Reid, to Gray

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William saying, this is the best script of the season so far.

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Yes, I know.

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City of Death.

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He said, Graham McDonald said, this makes perfect sense to me.

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Well, the thing is, Classically, because he sat on a Corinthian

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column when he said it, you know.

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If you're looking for action adventure and monsters and

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interesting situations and characters getting split up and having

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individual plots and adventures of their own, then Horns of Nylon

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is superior to City of Death in that way.

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That's superior to all of them.

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Look, I saw a beautiful piece of embroidery on the interweb

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today.

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It was that little birds flying around.

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It was embroide- It was like the thing that Judy Dench does.

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And it just said, in lovely cursive script, if you're brave enough

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everything is a dildo.

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And I think that's what Graham McDonald as head of BBC loveliness

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was saying down there.

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He said, this inserted into this season is the finest piece of

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release I could possibly achieve through your scriptings, Mr

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Douglas Adams.

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There's very funny things happening on the 6th floor.

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Is that how you're being served?

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I have the 6th floor is where you know you've done it in...

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So, you know, management was up on the 6th floor and that was the

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BBC reference because management was on the 6th floor of

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television centre, which has now been demolished by the Tories.

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And should we also mention that is that another reference of why

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Tom Whack, Janet Ellis on the bum?

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Oh, I didn't notice that.

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Did you notice that?

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Yes, there's again, to continue bum references.

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We got a lovely split trouser scene from the Despicable Worm

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guard.

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And there were no...

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No, it's weakling scum.

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Oh, yeah, no, he gets called a typical worm, yeah.

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Yes.

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Do you do you remember there was a fan edit of this?

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Yes, it was done by Kate.

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Peter Griffiths and...

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Simon Moore, I think?

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And we find it because I do remember this.

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Yeah, we could ask them.

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When we were kids, this was a joke.

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Everyone thought this story was really terrible, the worst thing

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ever.

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And you remember fashionable young adults.

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Well, there was that reaction once Nathan Turner came along and we

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got into next year's stories, everyone thought that Graham

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Williams's stuff was rubbish and, you know, even Doctor Who

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magazine kind of was taking that as its party line as well.

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So we all knew that we were in this glorious new era of the 80s

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and that the late 70s had been really terrible.

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And so, um, the horns of Nyman was this joke, and they cut

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together this thing, which was really quite funny, and they used

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to show it at conventions and fan meetings.

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But most of the big laughs came, in fact, from lines that were

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intentionally meant to be funny in horns of night, by the people

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who created it.

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And as I seem to recall, I think it was Peter Griffiths once told

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me, that it was a 60 minute edit because they had a 60 minute tape

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to hand when they started because, of course, you know, all of

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this was on double VHS deck using a mixing desk what happened.

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It comes up.

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The Horns of Naimon by Anthony Reed, part one.

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Then the Horns of Naimon, Anthony Reed, part one, crossed out, part

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two.

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Sorry we only had the omnibus edition.

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And despite the fact that they only have 60 minutes.

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They constantly reuse that clip of Graham Crowd and wandering down

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a corridor.

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Lord, I'm on, Lord, I'm on.

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It is I, sold deed.

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I think they also repeatedly have the guard from episode one

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walking through and calling the an Ethan's weakling skull as

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well.

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Although that does actually happen over and over again in the

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episode.

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And they immensely improve the co-pilot's bleatings when he's

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begging the Naimon to spare him at the end of episode 3 by having

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Peter Griffith's voiceover.

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This scene has a terrible performance.

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So we're going to talk over it by pointing out that if you look

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here in 10 seconds, Porky's trousers are going to split, which

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they do as he dies.

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It really is Doily Cart doing Doctor Who, isn't it?

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If if Gilbert and Sullivan had simply been co-writers of Douglas

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Adams, I don't think we would have got a different story.

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Just with a few more coloratura moments from Graham, never the

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doctor crowd and...

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Do we get a window into how, because I suppose everyone knows the

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Graham Crown was up for the 4th doctor?

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Yeah, I think we do we get an impression of how he would have

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played it had he simply been cast?

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Can you imagine?

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Because he was, he was there for, he was known for playing wacky

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doctors.

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And he did again with Peter Davis in a very peculiar practice, of

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course.

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I think he would have played it a bit more like peculiar practice

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because peculiar practice.

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I want him to do it in that outfit.

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With that colour, yeah.

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Because peculiar practice, he's a very eccentric character, but

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his delivery is very straight.

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It's just what he says is very eccentric.

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And I think that's how he would have played the doctor.

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Much like he is in waiting for God.

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You know, in waiting for God, he says outrageous and ridiculous

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things.

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But with bearing and gravitas, you know, like he's woken up from

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daydream and says, I was just climbing up the Himalayas with Oscar

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Wilde and Stephanie Cole, who's who is the other lead in that

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series, would say, oh, you're an old fool, et cetera.

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Have you seen Waiting for God?

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I've never seen it.

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It's really quite wonderful.

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You know, as much as I love as time goes by.

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As time goes by, it's a bit saccharine.

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Whereas waiting for God is just 2 old people who, yeah, they've

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just had enough, and they're children of shoved them into this

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nursing home, which is run by Chris Parsons.

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Oh really?

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Oh, we'll get to that.

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But we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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Back to the haunts of Nymar.

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No, look, I love this one. while we're going on old lovies.

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Sorry, while we're going on old lovies, isn't it terrific to see

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just how far Professor Waterfield would go to get away from his

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daughter?

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Yes, he's John Bailey.

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Sees on.

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John Bailey is Edward Waterfield.

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Wow.

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Doctor, you're not still travelling with Victoria.

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I don't blame you.

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He's great, isn't he good?

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And you're talking about gravitas.

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He really gives us that whole thing of, you know, the highs and

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lows as you're referencing the Greek tragedy.

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I think is the best thing in it.

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I think he may be the guest performer of the season, possibly 2nd

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to Myra Francis.

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Well, I think they should have had their own spinoff, don't you?

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Speaking of sitcoms with Stephanie Cole.

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Because that's where the story really, really gets scary.

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Myra Francis.

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Yeah, just referencing her.

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But it is, isn't it?

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beautifully done. beautifully done.

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See, I've got a bit of a memory about that episode, if I might

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share it.

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This is another one that I didn't have on videotape until I was

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about 12, I think.

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And the ABC...

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This is when we saw it, really, 1st time, we were about the same

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age, yeah.

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And the ABC were repeating it in the afternoons.

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And so I taped episode one and 2 and episode 3 was the next day.

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And some of my cousins were visiting, Leah and Daniel, and I quite

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treasure the story because Daniel is sadly no longer with us.

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And we were out having a walk.

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And I suddenly realised that it was a fine 15 and doctor was on at

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5.30 or something like that.

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And Daniel said, oh, you know, we've got to get back.

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Daniel was about 5 years old.

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We've got to get back and so we ran home.

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Well, you should have known better. 5 years old, I believe.

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So he ran home and my mum had remembered to record it, which was

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quite a momentous moment in itself because she wasn't very good

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with the VCR.

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And so we got there just at the end.

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So I rearround the tape to watch it and Daniel went off to do

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something else.

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I said, don't you want to watch this?

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And he said, I'm 15.

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I'm a 15-year-old boy.

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I've got a lot of things to do in my room apart from watching

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Doctor Who.

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Well, that's the thing.

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He said, oh, no, I don't like Doctor Who. didn't want you to miss

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it.

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Oh, isn't that lovely?

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So he didn't beat you up for making you come home and watch Doctor

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Who.

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See, that's what nice 15-year-olds were like.

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But he didn't.

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So, you were going to say, you changed his life and he just

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absolutely loved Doctor Who.

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No, no, no.

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No, that's just a little window.

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Well, I used to try and Priscillitize.

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I used to try. and try and induct others, children, and I still

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have the scars.

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How about yourself, Nathan?

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You still do that, don't you?

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You still enable youth?

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Well, yeah, no, we have a Doctor Who club at school.

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We're watching.

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And I know some of your students listen.

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So hello, Nathan's Doctor Who.

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Hello, and I hope that all my other lovely things that I've said

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on this podcast still get through.

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Yeah, yeah, no, we cut them all out.

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Most of it gets cut.

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So, you know, look forward to the unexpurgated version of your

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18th birthdays.

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So that scene with season on the planet, Krena.

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So it's a little bit like Inferno, isn't it?

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where we go to a parallel world where the disaster has played out

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and we get to see what Nymon has in store for it.

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But it's what they later do in The Simpsons in Marge versus the

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Monorail, where Marge goes to North Haverbrook to find the

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disaster that's been wrought on that town.

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And there's that guy who's like sees on the guy who stops to have

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a haircut and then rushes back.

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He's the doctor.

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She was the doctor all along.

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And Matt Greening is a Doctor Who fan.

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Yes, he is.

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Massively major, Doctor Who.

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I was just going to say, of course, I mean, the obvious, you know

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lodestone in the room that there's no question, Chris Chippeners

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if you want a female doctor, you just cast Lala Wardigan.

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She has already played it.

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I'm too excited by the prospect of Olivia Coleman as Doctor Who.

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With David Tennant as what, Saul the Flying Church.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. something like that.

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As a regenerated donor.

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There is talk about that, but that's for not now, that they're

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trying to get Catherine Tate interested in this show, but it could

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just be a chat.

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I love how Catherine Tate, even after being in the show for a year

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knows nothing about it.

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No, she thinks the Daleks are still in every single episode.

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Yeah, yeah.

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My favourite Catherine Tate moment is when she was on Nevermind

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the Bozcox.

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Before I did the show, I thought his name was Mr. Who, and he went

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to university and he became a doctor.

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Yeah, you can't, yeah, savant, the whole thing.

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I think she's just playing a part there.

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I got the impression from those commentaries that she is

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devastatingly intelligent.

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She is.

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Oh, you can be in your own universe and still be devastatingly

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intelligent, which is, I suppose, through a black hole where

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Nyman's, for goodness sake, who dresses the Nyimons?

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Really?

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Did they work all of that out themselves?

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On top of the pops?

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Did you know they were meant to be hideously ugly beasties that

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couldn't bear their own visage?

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They put the balls heads on.

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Well, they had the beautiful ornate masks that actually covered

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their whole upper torsos, which is very interesting if you like it

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in a post-Star Trek universe that these creatures were so real

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like, that they presented a beautiful golden mask, Agamemnon, like

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golden mask, but they were actually Medusae.

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Right.

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Who do you say underneath?

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Very much more interesting.

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And that the dancers, because, you know, they were hired, dancers

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in cork wedgies, it's in 3 foot platform heels.

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Imagine how your mother's suffered boys who are.

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I'm beginning to wonder whether those are cafern, you know, the

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beautiful.

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Yeah, those things, the boots that are associated with Greek

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tragedy, you know, I wonder why that's why they're wearing the

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high heels.

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I think it's just because it's a bit of flash.

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Yeah, probably.

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But then again, every generation has its 79, doesn't it?

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I think that the idea is lovely.

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I like to think even watching this, I thought, no, you're not

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bulls, you're something else underneath.

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I just triggered a response when I was reading that.

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I think as a boy, we never read them as being bulls in leggings.

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I think people thought that they were wearing something else.

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Well, you can see how the carapace stops at the back.

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They've got a lot of side bottom too in those out.

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That's a terrific term.

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A fair amount of time.

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This episode gives you a great deal of sideway leers and side

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bottoms.

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They've got great voices.

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And hats.

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There are some terrific hats and voice, yes, their voices are

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great.

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Yeah they're really good.

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They come back in what, seasons of fear or something?

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I was just going to say as my pick of this episode.

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Please listen to Paul Cornell's early big finish 8 doctor.

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It's a terrific story.

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Yeah, and then now I'm on a perfect to bring back on audio because

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I didn't guess it was there. great.

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No, I didn't know that.

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No, not a Raic cult.

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Because they were just, you know, the nylon were actually

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challenging the early Western world, as against Christianity

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because Mithraism could have easily become the alternate religion

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other than Christianity.

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We could have all been worshipping Naimon as we speak, and perhaps

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it's kind of where we are.

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Well, Nathan, you're in those platforms that he's swearing right

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now.

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Usually, Brendan and I have frock cup, but you've done a lovely

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job this week.

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I am wearing Soldi's hat as well.

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I actually like the other blokes I never remember.

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Yeah, he just looks like he's he's going to do a lovely stum Steve

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Strange fate to gray moment for us all.

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Well, they rub his sleeves.

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They're great.

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Trosely.

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Well, you know, it was really heavy.

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Oh, yeah.

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And velvet pressed onto foam rubber and it cost a fortune.

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The BBC were promoting the story for its cosiness.

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Yeah, well, and of course, it's definitely a frop show.

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He used to fall over between the takes and he couldn't get up.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's in Pixley.

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Tom was to get him up.

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Tom was cruelly using him as a beanbag.

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The costumes, it was.

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Guess off me, you're very heavy.

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June Hudson.

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Yeah, that's why she's fabulous. that's why Romano looks so

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great.

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That's why Romano is dressed in her hunting pinks, which, of

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course, ladies only wear black when they go hunting, but she's

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wearing hunting pinks, and I think it's definitely June's

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thinking.

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Hmm, alternate doctor.

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Well, you know, Tom was busy doing other things and that's why

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he's not in those scenes with Professor Waterfield.

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It's actually they were, Tom was meant to go.

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Oh, right.

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But for whatever reason, during rehearsals or script wise, they

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gave Lala more work.

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No, she's great in it too.

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I think it's quite wonderful.

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Yeah.

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And this is this is actually a very good point for a visit from an

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obelisk.

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I actually quite like this story.

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However, Tom Baker is out of control by this state.

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But do you think it's because he's actually trying to compensate

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for all of the production values that aren't going right?

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But there are other things in this that I think work quite well.

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I actually really like the Naimon.

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And I think this is a tuitive force for Lala Ward as Romana.

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I'm about to activate the randomiser.

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Again, I wonder where my time bubble will end up next.

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Will I be on a beach in Brighton?

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Will I be in Cambridge?

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I guess we'll find out next week.

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I'm very glad you raised that, Mr. Floaty, because, as we all now

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know, this was Doug and Graham, saying, Okay, Tom, you want to run

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the story your way without a companion, and just have it

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hilariously fun, and jokes and japes, for the kiddies, and for

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everyone who loves you at home, and just have, you know, the

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doctor being able to behave like this, this was to show him how

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awful, just again, another deadly assassin, how awful it would

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have been.

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So just as Hinchcliffe had to do it for Assassin, we now have

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Williams and Douglas Adams showing him how it wouldn't have

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worked.

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And he still didn't get it.

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He said, oh, no, no, Lana doesn't love you. you know, if you go to

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have a companion, let them be the doctor and I'll just have fun.

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Yeah, so he just faps about him the TARDIS for like scene after

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scene after scene.

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It's deliberately done to give Tom his head so he'd shut up after

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seeing how awful it was.

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He didn't get it.

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It's actually a bit awful.

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Like, I love Tom.

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I think, you know, watching Tom on screen is fantastic.

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He just...

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Boom, boom, boom.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and there's a there's a ruler

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twanging in there and all sorts of things.

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It's actually the sound effect for major Dennis Bloodnock

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stomach.

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It is from the goo, really?

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No, it really is.

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It's been gone.

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It's been put through a filter, but it is a sound effect.

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Yeah, which damn the curried watermelon.

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Which dear listener you heard at the beginning of this episode.

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Yeah, I find Tom is actually really flat in those scenes.

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And I think not that I'm blaming David Bryanley, of course, but

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it's because he's bouncing off canine.

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Tom is at his best when he has human actors to bounce off.

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And, well, the thing is, we've seen so many times that Tom's

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performance and the level of Tom's performance depends on who he's

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acting with.

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Yes, I really does.

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You know, like when Julian Glover is playing everything so

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straight down the line in City of Death, Tom is he's zany, but

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still does the zaniness on very one level.

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And, you know, oh, I'm just talking to you and normally, and isn't

504
00:21:19.500 --> 00:21:20.700
that a wonderful Louis Kim's chair?

505
00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:22.680
dont hit him over the head with a dog, that sort of thing.

506
00:21:22.740 --> 00:21:26.220
Then you get him in the scene with Graham Crowd and where he's

507
00:21:26.220 --> 00:21:28.799
talking about a black hole on my doorstep and they're both

508
00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:29.819
amazing.

509
00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:31.019
It's wonderful, isn't it?

510
00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:32.039
That is great.

511
00:21:32.099 --> 00:21:33.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

512
00:21:33.420 --> 00:21:36.240
But it takes 40 minutes for the doctor to get into the plot.

513
00:21:36.299 --> 00:21:40.920
But like the cliffhanger to episode one is just terrible and it's

514
00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:43.559
clearly meant to be so hilariously funny.

515
00:21:43.619 --> 00:21:47.400
It's coming for us and then he's protected. that's right.

516
00:21:47.460 --> 00:21:51.119
And then he's protecting K9, like he's giving K9 a hug and stuff.

517
00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:54.240
And it's just stupid. really is.

518
00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.839
But the scene with Crowd and later on is also super stupid and

519
00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:01.079
super silly, but it's much, much more entertaining to watch.

520
00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:02.700
And despite the fact it's hilarious.

521
00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:04.680
It's still really menacing.

522
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:09.000
Like, the way Graham Crowden says a black hole on my doorstep.

523
00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:10.500
Digging a black hole.

524
00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:14.759
I mean, God, why wasn't he being the merciless next year in Flash

525
00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:15.420
Gordon?

526
00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.240
As much as I love Max von- Max von Sitau.

527
00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:19.859
Oh, Max von Seidel?

528
00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:20.819
Whatever you like.

529
00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:22.140
He's a friendly chat.

530
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:23.160
And it's troubles.

531
00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:24.420
Yeah, and it's...

532
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.039
You could have had graham crab.

533
00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.680
We practical, Graham Crabin is practically playing Ming the

534
00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:30.539
Merciless in this without the epicanthic folds.

535
00:22:30.660 --> 00:22:34.619
But he's great and he's wonderful on the commentary. barely

536
00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:35.519
remembers a bloody thing.

537
00:22:35.579 --> 00:22:37.980
Lullaward's great on the commentary as well because as soon as

538
00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:40.980
Sorak walks in, she says, and guest starring the Sydney Opera

539
00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:41.279
House.

540
00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:46.799
I really wish more of their adlives had been kept in because

541
00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:49.559
Lala's so good at all of that.

542
00:22:49.619 --> 00:22:52.500
And, you know, just I would have liked Douglas to have Adams to

543
00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:54.420
have made a guest appearance in one of these stories.

544
00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:59.279
Yeah, another thing that Kate and Simon and Peter did on that fan

545
00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:04.019
edit is that every time the poor co-pilot speaks as played by

546
00:23:04.019 --> 00:23:07.859
Malcolm Terrace, they would just superimpose the word oink

547
00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:09.359
underneath him in pink letters.

548
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:11.759
That's kind of fat shaming, really.

549
00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:13.140
It is, isn't it?

550
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:17.640
Also, the pilot Bob Hornery actually had quite a long career. real

551
00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:17.940
name.

552
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.039
He actually had quite a long career.

553
00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:21.059
And I can't remember who it was.

554
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:25.140
But one of my old drinking buddies in the UK swore blind that he

555
00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:27.539
knew someone who played a pilot on Doctor Who.

556
00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:31.680
And then came back to me a week later and, you know, he was saying

557
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:33.960
oh, you know, he was in this episode with bulls and whatnot.

558
00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:35.339
I said, oh, is his name Malcolm?

559
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.440
Oh, you know, it was a friend of the family.

560
00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:38.160
I'll have to go check.

561
00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:38.700
It came back.

562
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:39.299
No, it was Bob.

563
00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:41.579
I'm like, Bob Pornery, the pilot.

564
00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:42.660
He said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

565
00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:45.779
And he always said that he was killed in episode one because he

566
00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:48.059
said he read the rest of the script and didn't want to be in it.

567
00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.839
Yeah, well, you know, I doubt that, but that's probably something

568
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:52.859
you said after the fact.

569
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.259
No, honestly, mum, that's why my career didn't work out.

570
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:56.160
Can I have some more money?

571
00:23:56.220 --> 00:23:59.700
Well, he, apparently, he actually had quite a long career paying

572
00:23:59.700 --> 00:24:01.140
civil servants and what have you.

573
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:05.099
So he did a bit of an Alec Guinness, which is, oh God, this is all

574
00:24:05.099 --> 00:24:06.240
a bit crap, isn't it?

575
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:07.859
This will never go anywhere.

576
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:09.660
He was a bit of a that guy.

577
00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:11.220
He did look kind of familiar.

578
00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.200
Marlowe Thomas of Doctor Who.

579
00:24:13.859 --> 00:24:17.160
I will say that the Nimon actors have wonderful names.

580
00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:19.140
We have Robin Sherringham...

581
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:20.400
They have lovely bottoms too.

582
00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:21.900
But we have Robin Sherringham.

583
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:24.839
We have Bob Applebee and we have Trevor St.

584
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:25.619
John Hacker.

585
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:27.599
Wow, it's probably pronounced St.

586
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:28.140
John Hack.

587
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:30.299
Dead Butch names, all three.

588
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:32.099
No, they were dancers.

589
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:33.839
They're all dancers.

590
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:35.640
I kind of want to call.

591
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:36.180
Physical act.

592
00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:38.880
I kind of want to cosplayers and I'm on despite the fact I'm 5

593
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:39.299
foot three.

594
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.579
Actually, that could be pretty hilarious.

595
00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:42.720
You have to have 5 foot boots.

596
00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:45.180
Yeah, so, well, I've got my Katie boots.

597
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:48.900
Just up the local shops.

598
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:50.400
Something doesn't have to be any event.

599
00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:52.440
Just go to cosplayer.

600
00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:56.579
Yeah, just go and get a beef sablaaki up the road. you know

601
00:24:56.579 --> 00:24:57.960
something a bit thematic.

602
00:24:58.019 --> 00:24:58.920
He has a name.

603
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:00.359
So Kenny McBain.

604
00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:02.099
Directing is one and only Doctor Who story.

605
00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:04.980
Yeah, because he dies almost immediately afterwards.

606
00:25:05.099 --> 00:25:05.640
Shame.

607
00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:07.799
He's dead by...

608
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:08.700
Yeah, the age of 42.

609
00:25:08.819 --> 00:25:10.500
Yeah, it might be awful.

610
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:11.339
Straight up.

611
00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:15.599
So and so did Simon Gibbs Kent, who played Seth.

612
00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.980
He died in 1987.

613
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:18.480
Oh, really?

614
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.240
Of, yes, of being in the 1980s.

615
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:23.700
And he's also in episode one of Blackadder.

616
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:24.779
So he didn't die of shame.

617
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.359
He did something good before he died.

618
00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:30.119
I think he's quite good in this, yeah. he was very popular.

619
00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:33.779
He's a bit wet, but the character is a bit wet.

620
00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:38.940
And I'm quite sympathetic to like that bit in the 1st episode, I

621
00:25:38.940 --> 00:25:39.420
think it is.

622
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.240
Well, the 2nd episode where he's telling Romana his story.

623
00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:46.380
I think he does that really well and really sells the idea that

624
00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:50.519
he's, you know, just been caught up in these circumstances and he

625
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:52.619
doesn't feel like a hero, but he gets to be a hero in there.

626
00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:53.819
But he doesn't.

627
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:58.019
I think that that's the problem is that to pay that scene off.

628
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:00.420
He really needs to be the one.

629
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.359
I know we don't do that in this era of Doctor Who.

630
00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:06.960
But he needs to be the one who actually does do something heroic

631
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:07.380
at the end.

632
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:10.619
But all he really does is run down a corridor with a stick and

633
00:26:10.619 --> 00:26:12.779
then run back when he sees some nyimons coming.

634
00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:15.000
He saves the doctor from Soldi in episode four.

635
00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:16.019
Yeah, no, he does.

636
00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:17.579
He sticks and he sticks somewhere.

637
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.019
Oh, he shoots Salde, doesn't he?

638
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.019
Yes, another stick, another garnet in his massive wand.

639
00:26:22.140 --> 00:26:25.079
I do like that they're running about in their grandmother's

640
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:25.980
curtains.

641
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.000
Yes.

642
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.220
Oh, is that the fun track family?

643
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.900
They really are all wearing curtains.

644
00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:34.619
And I also like that they're the Ian and Blyton youth characters

645
00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:35.039
in this.

646
00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:36.599
And Lala was always pushing for that.

647
00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:37.859
Oh, she wants more for the kids.

648
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.299
But I think it plays nicely against it.

649
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:40.980
And now I did visually.

650
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.619
Even though this is a cheap story, there are great things in it.

651
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:47.460
Do you remember being 12 years of age and thinking, how exciting

652
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:52.920
the TARDIS has a vortex tunnel field effect that can extends the

653
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:53.759
door force field?

654
00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:55.559
That blew my mind.

655
00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:56.819
That's amazing at 12.

656
00:26:57.059 --> 00:26:58.500
And I've got to say, it still looks fine now.

657
00:26:58.559 --> 00:26:59.339
Yeah, yeah.

658
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.599
It's so exciting.

659
00:27:00.660 --> 00:27:03.599
I mean, the model work sells it and kind of people we are.

660
00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:07.500
The weird thing is, it's models on video again, but yeah, I think

661
00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:09.180
far more effective than the ones in.

662
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:11.940
I'm doing it now to Brendan's head.

663
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.160
I'm the asteroid, am I?

664
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:16.440
Photo.

665
00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:19.440
The models are very effective.

666
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.319
And you can tweet this straight away, Nathan.

667
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:25.680
So when you hear this podcast in about 4 weeks, dear listener

668
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:26.880
you'll know what this tweet was all about.

669
00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:31.319
The models are really effective in that sequence and Tom and Lal

670
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.900
they get the ramp at the perfect angle that they're walking down

671
00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:37.200
through the tunnel and they're mucking about with the scarf.

672
00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:39.359
And yeah, it's another another lovely moment.

673
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:40.500
And despite...

674
00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:41.940
Lots of lovely moments in this, aren't we?

675
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.579
Despite the fact, as Todd says, Tom is a bit out of control.

676
00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:47.039
He still gets he's gravitous moment.

677
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:49.380
Well, isn't he just balancing soul deed?

678
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.339
Yeah, yeah.

679
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:51.420
But that's the thing.

680
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.039
Yeah, yeah.

681
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.779
He's all jokes until that.

682
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:56.099
Now, where's Romana?

683
00:27:56.099 --> 00:28:00.720
And you get you get the cold steel and the whole thing about...

684
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.019
Yeah, when he's angry about what the Naimon are doing and what

685
00:28:04.019 --> 00:28:04.380
have you.

686
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.759
And I didn't I didn't mention last week with Nightmare of Eden, but

687
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:10.920
you know, that intensity at the end, go away.

688
00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:12.599
Yeah, that was quite good.

689
00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:13.559
I liked that too.

690
00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:14.339
That's the thing.

691
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.839
I think Tom is a little bit out of control.

692
00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:22.559
But at the same time, he hasn't, like, say his predecessor, retired

693
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:23.220
from acting.

694
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.140
No, you know.

695
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:26.940
And as much as I love John.

696
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.059
I don't think John retires from acting and stays retired.

697
00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:33.240
I think he retires from acting until he gets a moment he likes and

698
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:34.440
then he comes back in full force.

699
00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:38.279
Whereas Tom is always full force, just not always going in the

700
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:38.700
right direction.

701
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.359
Yeah, it's actually very, you're right, very different styles of

702
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:46.200
performance, and there is petulance in Pertwe's performance, but

703
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.920
then he is an 18th century dandy.

704
00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:52.319
So that was part of part of the whole.

705
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.259
I mean, I think both of them are obnoxious to their co-stars from

706
00:28:55.259 --> 00:28:55.859
time to time.

707
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.079
I think both of them would have been really difficult to work

708
00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:58.380
with.

709
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.319
Perjury is acting sometimes.

710
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:03.839
And Tom isn't.

711
00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:06.359
You know, Tom is a performance, but it's a compelling

712
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:06.960
performance.

713
00:29:07.019 --> 00:29:08.819
He's what you want to see on television.

714
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.519
And so the character...

715
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:11.940
Yeah, yeah.

716
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:13.799
And the character doesn't have much interiority.

717
00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:16.500
You're not really invited to wonder how the doctor's feeling in a

718
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:16.980
particular moment.

719
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:18.900
Which we called mystery in those days.

720
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.380
But he's just really compelling to watch.

721
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.500
And it does, as you say, Brandon, miss fire from time to time.

722
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:30.000
Sometimes it's embarrassing or it deforms a scene or something

723
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:30.539
like that.

724
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.140
But he's so compelling to watch.

725
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.980
And we're really at the tail end of a season where things are

726
00:29:37.980 --> 00:29:41.279
going to change really quite drastically in his performance after

727
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:41.819
this.

728
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.680
I do wonder.

729
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:47.460
And I haven't been able to find any strong indication of this, but

730
00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:49.680
they would have known that this story was going out over

731
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:50.160
Christmas.

732
00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:54.539
And I think there is a definite effort to make it into a Christmas

733
00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:58.619
show. you know, to make it sparkly and to make it panto-y.

734
00:29:58.740 --> 00:29:59.460
I feel to that.

735
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.940
It's all denied, you know, in the later things, but come on, it

736
00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:03.599
was so long ago.

737
00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:06.539
It is the 1st story of the 80s.

738
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:12.059
I usually have a festive, uh, desiccated an Ethan corpse, uh, in

739
00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:15.059
the corner. because we're talking about all the lightness and

740
00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:17.700
silliness, but there is great chiaroscuro here.

741
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:18.660
Theres darkness as well.

742
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.079
And, okay, Sol D doesn't necessarily get there, but you know, a

743
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:23.220
lot of this running out of time.

744
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:27.059
Graham Crowth and scenes were rehearsal shoots that he didn't

745
00:30:27.059 --> 00:30:28.259
think were going to be recorded.

746
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.259
So when he giggles when he dies, of course, he's laughing with Tom

747
00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:34.319
or whomever to start a shock because it's terrible, darling.

748
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.039
And that's so, yeah, so that happens quite a bit in this.

749
00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:42.119
But the corpse, see, this is totally space 1979, it's this

750
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:45.480
beautiful thing, desiccated corpse, and then you touch it and just

751
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.380
like a lovely macaroon. and it's still startling today.

752
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:50.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

753
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.119
And I think Janet Ellis sells that money. startling as well.

754
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.140
And then she actually gets the line of, you know, that's what's

755
00:30:58.140 --> 00:30:58.740
going to happen to us.

756
00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:00.000
My career.

757
00:31:00.059 --> 00:31:00.839
That's right.

758
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.960
I saw Janet Ellis at a convention once.

759
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.500
And it was very interesting because this was just after Blue Peter

760
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:10.259
had been dropped to, I think, one episode a week and the studio

761
00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:11.819
had been moved and cut and what have you.

762
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:13.799
And Peter Purpose was at the same convention and they were

763
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:14.579
interviewed separately.

764
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:16.740
And Peter Purpose was...

765
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.799
Peter Purvis was asked, what do you think of the move with Blue

766
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:20.279
Peter?

767
00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:23.460
And he said, well, you know, with new media and internet and

768
00:31:23.460 --> 00:31:26.579
things, it's still relevant for children, but perhaps not as much

769
00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:29.519
as it was, and this could be a way to save the program.

770
00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:33.000
And if you distil the quality of 2 episodes into one really

771
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.619
excellent episode, then I'm all for it.

772
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.859
Whereas when Janet Ellis was asked, she said, no, no, they're

773
00:31:37.859 --> 00:31:38.579
trying to kill the program.

774
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.220
So it's very interesting to get those 2 perspectives.

775
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:43.559
But Janet Ellis also said...

776
00:31:43.619 --> 00:31:46.440
I will have my revenge and have a daughter that will that will

777
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.720
sing at you for, go on.

778
00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:54.420
So someone said, have you shown Sophie, Ellis Baxter, your Doctor

779
00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:55.019
Who story?

780
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.480
She's like, oh, yeah, you know, she really likes the outfit.

781
00:31:57.539 --> 00:31:59.039
She wants to dress up like Romana.

782
00:31:59.099 --> 00:32:01.799
And she said, you know, it's fun because Sophie and I head out

783
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:02.220
together.

784
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:05.160
And we go to karaoke bars and I embarrass her by singing her

785
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:05.400
songs.

786
00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:09.119
Do you know the other thing about Sophie Ellis Bexter?

787
00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:10.920
She's an out Doctor Who fan?

788
00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:11.700
Oh, yeah.

789
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.720
She's actually said it.

790
00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:15.119
And even to the point that some of her Vs.

791
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:18.839
There are autons in her clips, there are other things that way

792
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.839
before Will Baker was doing it for, well, probably actually around

793
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.160
exactly the same time.

794
00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:25.380
Sorry, Soph, that was doing it for Kylie.

795
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.839
You've got, yeah, lots of Doctor Who references.

796
00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:29.700
Sophie, apparently, this is just apocryphal.

797
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.279
I don't know if any of you know the truth, was interested in being

798
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:32.759
on the show.

799
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.740
No, that's true.

800
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.619
But Russell was, they just didn't find a place for her or?

801
00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:40.680
I think it was scheduling because Janet did mention that in her

802
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.079
interview and she said, you know, also, Sophie wants to be on the

803
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.200
show and she's discussed it with them, but it was a matter of

804
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.619
scheduling because despite the fact that we may not hear so much

805
00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:50.880
about Sophie these days.

806
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:52.980
She's out coming out to Australia again.

807
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:53.700
Yeah, exactly.

808
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.339
She, you know, she is still touring and she is still putting out

809
00:32:56.339 --> 00:32:56.819
new music.

810
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:57.839
It's just, you know.

811
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.940
Sounds exactly the same as it did 10 years ago, but yeah

812
00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:02.339
especially used to, I happen to have all of the tears, so, you

813
00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:03.119
know, I have no shame.

814
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:05.400
But they like lots of lovely Doctor Who references.

815
00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:07.019
There are even lines in some of her songs.

816
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.259
Oh, God, I'm tragic, but do reference Doctor Who.

817
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.019
There's that one line where she says she knows so little about

818
00:33:13.019 --> 00:33:14.220
telebiogenesis.

819
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:15.480
Yeah, that's the thing.

820
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.099
There are actually sound grabs from Tristram Carey on one of her

821
00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:20.519
tracks.

822
00:33:20.579 --> 00:33:22.740
Yeah, I've got it here in the notes.

823
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.720
And that wonderful number 27 hit, Seth will defeat the night mono

824
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:28.980
restore piece to NF.

825
00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:32.880
For those of you underwear, because I don't think we said it at

826
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:33.240
the beginning.

827
00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:36.660
So the singer, Sophie Ellis-Bexter, is the daughter of Tika

828
00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:37.799
actress Janet Ellis.

829
00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:40.319
Yeah, and if you don't know that, why are you listening to this

830
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:40.680
podcast?

831
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.839
There's nothing else in it that'll make sense.

832
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:49.019
There's nothing heterosexual in this entire 4 episodes is there.

833
00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:50.160
There's absolutely nothing.

834
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:55.799
You know, it is somehow it manages to be incredibly camp and

835
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.059
incredibly menacing at the same time.

836
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.880
Okay, so are you saying they're in distinct properties?

837
00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:01.500
Is there distinct properties?

838
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:03.779
Are you saying they're distinct properties?

839
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:04.380
I don't see.

840
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.159
No, no, it's just that quite often in television, when you get one

841
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:08.880
you don't get the other.

842
00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:14.519
You know, Mr. Humphreys was never particularly menacing.

843
00:34:14.579 --> 00:34:15.179
Oh I don't know.

844
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.619
Louis Fiander was never particularly missing last week, either, for

845
00:34:19.619 --> 00:34:20.099
the same reason.

846
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:26.159
But then every great villain in television and theatre history has

847
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.840
been an evil camp, old bugger.

848
00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:28.440
That's true.

849
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.139
There is the child of Vinda Kay.

850
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.539
Well, I don't know that that's necessarily outside.

851
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:35.639
Our Venn diagram, is it?

852
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:37.019
He's definitely camp.

853
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:38.519
You know he's having it off with Showak.

854
00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:42.960
Oh, no, he might be gay, but he's completely, he plays it so

855
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:43.860
completely straight.

856
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.320
I don't think this is taken of camp either.

857
00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:48.539
Tell me that glove slapping isn't camp.

858
00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:52.079
Yeah, I think I think it's game set and matched.

859
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:57.119
And, and, you know, not only that, but he throws he throws shade

860
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:58.260
on Prentice Hancock.

861
00:34:58.320 --> 00:34:59.400
I'll show you.

862
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:01.559
What are you?

863
00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:02.880
Impatient, Captain.

864
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:06.300
Oh, oh, I know.

865
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.539
All right, we're abandoning Haunts of Norman and re-recording

866
00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:11.460
another...

867
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.460
The WCB stories, whiny controlling Bolton.

868
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:18.599
You can really hear the graph just pushy PCBs.

869
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:19.440
You know what?

870
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:21.000
I really love this story.

871
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:26.219
And the only reason I can see, I can sort of legitimise the hate

872
00:35:26.219 --> 00:35:27.480
that it gets is, you know what?

873
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:28.440
Yes, it does look cheap.

874
00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.619
It's another cuff cotting exercise to pay for shada.

875
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:32.039
Sure.

876
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:33.840
You know, I hope that works out.

877
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:34.920
Yeah, me too.

878
00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:40.500
But that being said, I think the sets for this are so much better

879
00:35:40.500 --> 00:35:43.739
than the ones for nightmare reading, because as I mentioned before

880
00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:47.699
we have relief in the sense, we have levels to the set.

881
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:49.559
It's the designer is Graham's story on this one.

882
00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:51.539
You know, we have levels in the sets.

883
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:53.219
We have things in the foreground, we have things in the

884
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:53.579
background.

885
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.659
Yeah, we have fake skies, but we've always had fake skies. so

886
00:35:57.659 --> 00:35:58.019
strange.

887
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.260
I mean, I like them a lot, but it is really, like, it's not

888
00:36:01.260 --> 00:36:01.920
naturalistic.

889
00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:03.360
They not standing in buildings.

890
00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:07.320
They're standing on these sort of flaws on the surface with

891
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:07.860
these...

892
00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:09.179
The top of the pops videos.

893
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:10.139
It is, really.

894
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:10.619
Yeah.

895
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.000
This is why I like it.

896
00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:13.320
Or BBC Shakespeare.

897
00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:14.280
Did that as well?

898
00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:17.639
But it's that hypernaturalism to the point that it's surreal in

899
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:17.880
itself.

900
00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:20.280
It's not trying to be realistic.

901
00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:23.039
It's actually imitating other forms.

902
00:36:23.099 --> 00:36:25.019
And in this case, it's video pop.

903
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:25.679
Yeah.

904
00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:26.579
No, I think that's right.

905
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:28.440
And it looks, I think it works really well.

906
00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:30.480
June Hudson was in on that one, don't you?

907
00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:31.800
Yeah, she's crazy.

908
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:36.719
And of course, the crinol sets are a lot more realistic, if you

909
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:36.960
like.

910
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:41.699
You don't, more darkly lit and, you know, it's a complex with

911
00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:43.380
walls and you don't see the fake sky.

912
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.679
All of that built just to avoid Victoria Waterfall.

913
00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:49.739
And you know, to give Tom a Dale.

914
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.760
But yeah, maybe that feeds into the idea of hyper realism because

915
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.340
you know, life on Skonos is great at the moment and everything's

916
00:36:56.340 --> 00:36:59.579
hyper real and isn't it wonderful and eat the soylent and have

917
00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:02.880
your cupcake in a cup because soon you're going to be like this.

918
00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:04.679
Or cream tea.

919
00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:07.800
Didn't you use sconos and just thought, oh, thank goodness, green

920
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:08.579
tea.

921
00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:10.619
Desperate.

922
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.599
This is a lovely, lovely story.

923
00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:16.320
This is the last story of the 70s. one of these episodes went out

924
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:17.940
in the 80s.

925
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.320
So it's the 1st story of the 80s.

926
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:22.559
I think it's a beautiful swan song to a magnificent era.

927
00:37:22.619 --> 00:37:26.579
There's a lovely essay in license denied, which is a collection

928
00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:30.900
put together by Paul Cornell that Nathan has cited previously, of

929
00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:36.059
just lovely things, some fandom of when the 90s was re-looking at

930
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:36.239
it.

931
00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:39.300
And one of them, my favourite essays is why the Nimon is our

932
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:39.599
friend.

933
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:44.699
And it just talks about as we did last time with Tom and Blauer

934
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:49.260
being the doctor and Romana and facing off against the dreariness

935
00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:54.000
of the world by being individual and celebrating art and life and

936
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:54.780
fun.

937
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.460
Yeah, celebrating fun.

938
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.139
I actually think that's my Nightmare of Eden.

939
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:03.239
Nathan, so it doesn't work because its message is too pathetic, if

940
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:03.659
you like.

941
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.420
Whereas this one is, oh, come on, don't be silly.

942
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.380
Be silly.

943
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.059
Yeah, this seems like the ultimate thing you were saying, you've

944
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:15.119
been saying all of this, Susan, Richard, of the individual against

945
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.920
that's the thing.

946
00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:17.280
Thank you.

947
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:20.400
The individual against doll, the doll ascribed.

948
00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:21.900
I actually say it's against capitalism.

949
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.239
Because, of course, that's where he was coming from.

950
00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:25.260
At this point.

951
00:38:26.699 --> 00:38:31.440
All of the humanoid characters in the story, the Skonons and the

952
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.039
Anethens and the people of Krinnoff, they're just being used for

953
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:35.699
fuel.

954
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.579
They have no life, they have no quality of life.

955
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.159
Even the Skonons who are trying to build their empire, all they're

956
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.519
living for is this empire, except for...

957
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.199
Sorak.

958
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:52.079
Do you feel it's a remake of that marvellous 1926 film Metropolis

959
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.079
which we should mention was made in German expressions?

960
00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:58.619
Mm, where everyone's sort of part of a big giant machine.

961
00:38:58.679 --> 00:38:59.159
Yeah, yeah.

962
00:38:59.219 --> 00:39:01.019
Expressionistically, so...

963
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.539
Yeah, and the thing is, I just said that because I wanted a

964
00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:04.739
reaction.

965
00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:07.440
You've got Sorak.

966
00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:10.019
He's the one constantly asking questions.

967
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.679
He's the one constantly asking questions, but why are we doing

968
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:14.039
this?

969
00:39:14.099 --> 00:39:15.119
And isn't there something more?

970
00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:17.460
You know, and he's...

971
00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:23.400
You know, Soul Deed can't revive K9 because he's just doing it to

972
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.280
get something he wants, whereas Sorak does it out of curiosity and

973
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:27.719
manages to revive him, you know?

974
00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:31.559
There's always the moment of hope and sentience in the

975
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:31.980
individual.

976
00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:35.280
There's always a moment of we will transcend our currents

977
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:40.619
blandness by simply using our imaginations. simply thinking

978
00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:41.099
outside.

979
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:45.420
Tom and Lala are just out now, of course, on Big Finish doing new

980
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:48.179
series, the 5th series, the 4th doctor.

981
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:48.960
Isn't it wonderful?

982
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:51.900
Well, it's Justin Richards wrote a really whizzing script, and I'm

983
00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:54.719
not going to say who the villains are, but it feels like an

984
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.599
Avengers story, and it's set in the 60s, and I thought, yes, this

985
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:01.260
is how I felt looking at the Douglas Adams season.

986
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:02.940
And for me, this is the Tomman.

987
00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:05.159
Lama seasons, but we're not over yet, are we?

988
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:06.539
We kind of are.

989
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:07.679
Yeah, aren't we?

990
00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:08.880
We really can't.

991
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:10.199
It depends how you look at cannon.

992
00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:13.980
I mean, I like to, I think it's a good place to reminisce about

993
00:40:13.980 --> 00:40:16.679
this season and the impact it had.

994
00:40:16.739 --> 00:40:18.119
That license denied.

995
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:23.579
A collection has an article by Gareth Roberts called Tom II, which

996
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:27.539
is a defence of this era, and his defence is that it's just

997
00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:28.920
terrifically fun.

998
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:33.719
And when we kind of do our Jenny Land awards and things next week

999
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:35.880
maybe I'll have criticisms to make.

1000
00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:41.159
But I really enjoy just the tone, just the dialogue.

1001
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:45.300
There are so many funny throwaway lines all the way through, like

1002
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:48.539
this story and the last story and the previous one, which is just

1003
00:40:48.539 --> 00:40:52.440
Douglas Adams, you know, you've got a brilliant, clever comedy

1004
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:57.300
writer doing the script editing, but a writer who is aware of the

1005
00:40:57.300 --> 00:41:01.559
need to be serious and to be scary and to have something to say.

1006
00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:03.780
And it just works really well.

1007
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.179
The relationship between Tom and Lala is great.

1008
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.340
I really, really enjoy this.

1009
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.119
I'm not blind to its flaws, but gee, it's been fun.

1010
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:16.139
And of course, depending on your version of canon.

1011
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:19.559
We will be doing Shada next week, but some people don't count

1012
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:20.219
Shada.

1013
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.500
And if you don't count Shada, that means this is the last

1014
00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:24.719
performance by David Brierly as K9.

1015
00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:26.940
Yes.

1016
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.519
And his last line of dialogue.

1017
00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:33.659
Negative, master. poor thing.

1018
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:35.519
I love David Reilly.

1019
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:36.179
He is wonderful.

1020
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:36.780
You know what?

1021
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:38.280
I think he does a great job.

1022
00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:41.760
He makes the character his own, well, you know, he carries on the

1023
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:46.199
idea of the character, but he doesn't try to just copy what John

1024
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:46.980
Leeson did.

1025
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:54.119
Because I think it's far worse when a voice actor tries to copy

1026
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.420
exactly and gets it wrong, then if they go, I'm going to go with

1027
00:41:57.420 --> 00:42:01.500
the vague ballpark and get a similar kind of voice.

1028
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:04.199
Because he does end up with a similar voice, you can tell it's

1029
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:04.440
different.

1030
00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:08.940
You do know that canine's computer brain has tarrial cells in it

1031
00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:13.860
and so for this season is under control by Aurac. my goodness.

1032
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.659
That makes perfect.

1033
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:16.980
Yeah, yeah, that's really happening.

1034
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:17.940
I'm happy with that.

1035
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.539
Well done.

1036
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.239
Like so much of this season.

1037
00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:25.559
Despite each of the stories has flaws, as we've discussed, you can

1038
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:27.119
put on any of them and have a good time.

1039
00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:28.500
Yeah, like a frock.

1040
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.400
As we glanced off from Sconus with our ship painted white.

1041
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.860
I hope you remember to do that, did you?

1042
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.820
We're going to set the randomiser, and as Todd said earlier, we

1043
00:42:53.820 --> 00:42:56.880
may end up in Cambridge, or we may end up in Brighton.

1044
00:42:56.940 --> 00:42:57.780
No, we're going to Cambridge.

1045
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:58.800
Okay.

1046
00:42:58.860 --> 00:43:02.579
Please check out our website at flightthroughentirety.com, flight

1047
00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:06.000
through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on

1048
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:06.420
Twitter.

1049
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:08.760
You can also share this podcast that you've just listened to on

1050
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.880
your social networks app would be wonderful and check out

1051
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:16.139
Bondfinger as well, where we have 6 Bond commentaries.

1052
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.960
Until next week, may all your power complexes fit.

1053
00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:20.039
Thank you very much and good night.

1054
00:43:20.099 --> 00:43:20.880
Good night.

1055
00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:21.300
Good night.

1056
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:27.900
That was Flood Your Entirety, with Despicable Worm, Wiggling Scum

1057
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:28.980
and Meddlesome Hustling.

1058
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:33.420
This episode, falling on Corey Bernardi, was recorded on the 6th

1059
00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:34.500
of February 2016.

1060
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.860
The next episode will be released on February 28th.

1061
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.119
This episode is dedicated to Bob Horner, who in fact had a 60-year

1062
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.039
career and passed away last year in Melbourne.

1063
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.659
Horns of Nimon, February 6th.

1064
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.900
No, it's the horns of Naimon.

1065
00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:56.880
Keep that in.

1066
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.619
The previous one was N Arthurus.

1067
00:43:58.679 --> 00:43:59.460
This one has the article.

1068
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.559
It's my job to know that.

1069
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:02.340
Yep.

1070
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.099
And you can put that up here in Altra.

1071
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.639
Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight through

1072
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:09.300
Entirety.

1073
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.800
The only Doctor Who...

1074
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:16.500
I dried and then a car horn.

1075
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.119
Right, okay.