WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:29:24 1 00:00:30.059 --> 00:00:37.740 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast. 2 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:38.820 I'm Brendan. 3 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:39.719 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:39.780 --> 00:00:46.500 I'm the Von Trapp family chorus sacrificing pool filters to Boney M's backup caraton for this episode. 5 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:50.640 That's the most baroque you've ever gone, Richard. 6 00:00:50.700 --> 00:00:55.020 And becoming increasingly baroque now is the horns of Nimon. 7 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:08.159 All the horns of Nina Simone, just to continue with a musical theme. 8 00:01:08.340 --> 00:01:13.799 So, as our resident podcast classicist, can I go all professory? 9 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:14.700 painter. 10 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:15.420 Yes, please. 11 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:16.500 Please do. 12 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:20.640 So this is obviously a reworking of the story of Theseus and the Minotaur. 13 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:29.579 And once again, as we found in underworld, in the future, space myths are merely anagram of our normal Greek myths. 14 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:31.560 And so... 15 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.560 So we have Aneth, instead of Athens. 16 00:01:34.620 --> 00:01:39.900 We have Skonos instead of Knossos, which is City in Crete. 17 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:46.319 We have Krinoff, which is an anagram of Corinth, which was the other sort of major city in Greece. 18 00:01:46.379 --> 00:01:49.680 Soldeed is just Deedless, who is the... 19 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:51.840 Yes, rather than King Minos, he is definitely... 20 00:01:51.900 --> 00:01:58.439 Yeah, well, Dedalus creates the labyrinth, and Naimon is, of course, a sort of anagram of the beginning of the word Minotaur. 21 00:01:58.500 --> 00:01:59.819 And SOT, does he come in? 22 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:01.439 Isn't that a toss? 23 00:02:01.500 --> 00:02:03.599 Well, no, Seth is an anagram of Theseus. 24 00:02:03.659 --> 00:02:07.019 You know, so it is, I don't know who... 25 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:07.799 Does he come in? 26 00:02:07.859 --> 00:02:08.879 No, right. 27 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:11.099 Tinker and Tish. 28 00:02:11.460 --> 00:02:13.919 So what about Sorak? 29 00:02:13.979 --> 00:02:15.180 Who's Sorak? 30 00:02:15.539 --> 00:02:16.259 No, no idea. 31 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:17.520 But Sergeant Benton. 32 00:02:17.580 --> 00:02:18.900 That's who I thought it was when I was a kid. 33 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:28.919 There is more to it than that because what many people don't know, having read, you know, children's book versions of the Minotaur, is they don't know how the Minotaur came about. 34 00:02:28.979 --> 00:02:30.659 Well, some of us do. 35 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:32.280 What rating do we have for this episode? 36 00:02:32.340 --> 00:02:42.539 Well, I'm going to try and be a bit coy about it, but King Minos's wife, Passave, was afflicted with an unnatural, a natural urge. 37 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:53.280 And so she made herself a cow out of wicker work and climbed into it. of Edward Woodward and then allowed herself to be pleasured by a bull. 38 00:02:53.340 --> 00:02:59.580 And so the monotor is actually... we've all been to crazy. sick. 39 00:02:59.699 --> 00:03:02.340 That's it under the influence of Uzo, what wouldn't you do? 40 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:16.979 So the minor tories is, in fact, like a symbol of just the darker sexual desires of the human mind, and it's no, it's no coincidence that it lives inside a dark cavernous labyrinth, you know. 41 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:18.120 It's the shadow self. 42 00:03:18.180 --> 00:03:28.379 Isn't he also representative of as the true nature of the shadow is the urge to live. is the urge to recreate, to move above the mundane, to the essence of life itself. 43 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.259 If we talk about the great journey of life. 44 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:39.659 Then perhaps, as you would describe the shadow, as if without your shadow, you simply, with lachromise, you just fall into disinterest. 45 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:54.000 So about time says that the original myth of the Minotaur is a tale of everything animalistic and Freudian in human consciousness, but that this is about a bullheaded alien who fires energy bolts from its horns and lives in some space corridors. 46 00:03:54.539 --> 00:03:58.560 I wasn't aware of that origin of the minotaur. 47 00:03:59.099 --> 00:04:07.080 And well, it just appears now, I have a whole new appreciation for Corey Bernardi, because he's actually just trying to protect us from Minotaurs. 48 00:04:07.139 --> 00:04:08.039 Yes, clearly. 49 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:08.939 As well as... 50 00:04:08.939 --> 00:04:16.079 As far as Venardia, I seen it too in South Australia who says that if you have gay marriage in Australia for overseas listener, it will lead to bestiality. 51 00:04:16.139 --> 00:04:16.800 Exactly. 52 00:04:16.860 --> 00:04:18.899 That's why we call him Corgi Bernardi. 53 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:19.800 Yes, that's right. 54 00:04:19.860 --> 00:04:23.399 So that's right. protecting us from Nimon and women in trousers. 55 00:04:23.459 --> 00:04:28.680 Is that why when Soldid finally passes away, he giggles as he died? 56 00:04:28.740 --> 00:04:29.399 Is that why? 57 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:31.079 Because he's falling on Corey Banard? 58 00:04:31.139 --> 00:04:34.860 Because he was enjoying this as much as I love this story. 59 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:36.480 I love this story. 60 00:04:36.540 --> 00:04:37.740 And we should vote also. 61 00:04:37.740 --> 00:04:38.939 Graham McDonald. 62 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:46.680 Sent notes. really early on to Tony Reid, to Anthony Reid, to Gray, William saying, this is the best script of the season so far. 63 00:04:46.740 --> 00:04:48.060 Yes, I know. 64 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:48.899 City of Death. 65 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.899 He said, Graham McDonald said, this makes perfect sense to me. 66 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:57.480 Well, the thing is, Classically, because he sat on a Corinthian column when he said it, you know. 67 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:11.160 If you're looking for action adventure and monsters and interesting situations and characters getting split up and having individual plots and adventures of their own, then Horns of Nylon is superior to City of Death in that way. 68 00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:12.180 That's superior to all of them. 69 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.180 Look, I saw a beautiful piece of embroidery on the interweb today. 70 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:16.620 It was that little birds flying around. 71 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:18.839 It was embroide- It was like the thing that Judy Dench does. 72 00:05:18.899 --> 00:05:23.459 And it just said, in lovely cursive script, if you're brave enough, everything is a dildo. 73 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:30.899 And I think that's what Graham McDonald as head of BBC loveliness was saying down there. 74 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:42.000 He said, this inserted into this season is the finest piece of release I could possibly achieve through your scriptings, Mr. Douglas Adams. 75 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:44.519 There's very funny things happening on the 6th floor. 76 00:05:45.300 --> 00:05:47.579 Is that how you're being served? 77 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.180 I have the 6th floor is where you know you've done it in... 78 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:51.660 Yeah, yeah. 79 00:05:51.720 --> 00:06:01.019 So, you know, management was up on the 6th floor and that was the BBC reference because management was on the 6th floor of television centre, which has now been demolished by the Tories. 80 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:06.000 And should we also mention that is that another reference of why Tom Whack, Janet Ellis on the bum? 81 00:06:06.060 --> 00:06:08.220 Oh, I didn't notice that. 82 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:09.120 Did you notice that? 83 00:06:09.180 --> 00:06:11.579 Yes, there's again, to continue bum references. 84 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.899 We got a lovely split trouser scene from the Despicable Worm guard. 85 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.180 And there were no... 86 00:06:18.180 --> 00:06:19.319 No, it's weakling scum. 87 00:06:19.379 --> 00:06:22.259 Oh, yeah, no, he gets called a typical worm, yeah. 88 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:22.680 Yes. 89 00:06:22.740 --> 00:06:23.519 Yes. 90 00:06:23.579 --> 00:06:24.360 Yes. 91 00:06:24.420 --> 00:06:26.759 Do you do you remember there was a fan edit of this? 92 00:06:26.819 --> 00:06:28.500 Yes, it was done by Kate. 93 00:06:28.500 --> 00:06:30.480 Peter Griffiths and... 94 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:31.379 Simon Moore, I think? 95 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:32.339 Yeah, Simon Moore. 96 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:34.500 And we find it because I do remember this. 97 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:36.360 Yeah, we could ask them. 98 00:06:36.420 --> 00:06:39.540 When we were kids, this was a joke. 99 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.300 Everyone thought this story was really terrible, the worst thing ever. 100 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:42.720 Yeah. 101 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:44.519 And you remember fashionable young adults. 102 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:58.680 Well, there was that reaction once Nathan Turner came along and we got into next year's stories, everyone thought that Graham Williams's stuff was rubbish and, you know, even Doctor Who magazine kind of was taking that as its party line as well. 103 00:06:58.740 --> 00:07:03.959 So we all knew that we were in this glorious new era of the 80s and that the late 70s had been really terrible. 104 00:07:04.019 --> 00:07:12.600 And so, um, the horns of Nyman was this joke, and they cut together this thing, which was really quite funny, and they used to show it at conventions and fan meetings. 105 00:07:12.660 --> 00:07:22.199 But most of the big laughs came, in fact, from lines that were intentionally meant to be funny in horns of night, by the people who created it. 106 00:07:22.259 --> 00:07:39.300 And as I seem to recall, I think it was Peter Griffiths once told me, that it was a 60 minute edit because they had a 60 minute tape to hand when they started because, of course, you know, all of this was on double VHS deck using a mixing desk what happened. 107 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:40.139 It comes up. 108 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:42.779 The Horns of Naimon by Anthony Reed, part one. 109 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.779 Then the Horns of Naimon, Anthony Reed, part one, crossed out, part two. 110 00:07:45.899 --> 00:07:47.339 Sorry we only had the omnibus edition. 111 00:07:47.819 --> 00:07:51.360 And despite the fact that they only have 60 minutes. 112 00:07:51.420 --> 00:07:55.800 They constantly reuse that clip of Graham Crowd and wandering down a corridor. 113 00:07:55.860 --> 00:07:58.740 Lord, I'm on, Lord, I'm on. 114 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.439 It is I, sold deed. 115 00:08:01.620 --> 00:08:08.879 I think they also repeatedly have the guard from episode one walking through and calling the an Ethan's weakling skull as well. 116 00:08:08.939 --> 00:08:12.300 Although that does actually happen over and over again in the episode. 117 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:21.420 And they immensely improve the co-pilot's bleatings when he's begging the Naimon to spare him at the end of episode 3 by having Peter Griffith's voiceover. 118 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:23.879 This scene has a terrible performance. 119 00:08:23.939 --> 00:08:32.100 So we're going to talk over it by pointing out that if you look here in 10 seconds, Porky's trousers are going to split, which they do as he dies. 120 00:08:32.940 --> 00:08:37.259 It really is Doily Cart doing Doctor Who, isn't it? 121 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:45.059 If if Gilbert and Sullivan had simply been co-writers of Douglas Adams, I don't think we would have got a different story. 122 00:08:46.019 --> 00:08:52.440 Just with a few more coloratura moments from Graham, never the doctor crowd and... 123 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:57.299 Do we get a window into how, because I suppose everyone knows the Graham Crown was up for the 4th doctor? 124 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:58.139 Yes, yes. 125 00:08:58.139 --> 00:09:03.899 Yeah, I think we do we get an impression of how he would have played it had he simply been cast? 126 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:05.460 Can you imagine? 127 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:08.399 Because he was, he was there for, he was known for playing wacky doctors. 128 00:09:08.460 --> 00:09:11.820 And he did again with Peter Davis in a very peculiar practice, of course. 129 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:12.899 Yeah, that's the thing. 130 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.860 I think he would have played it a bit more like peculiar practice because peculiar practice. 131 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:19.860 I want him to do it in that outfit. 132 00:09:19.860 --> 00:09:21.059 With that colour, yeah. 133 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:25.440 Because peculiar practice, he's a very eccentric character, but his delivery is very straight. 134 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:27.179 It's just what he says is very eccentric. 135 00:09:27.299 --> 00:09:28.740 And I think that's how he would have played the doctor. 136 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:30.179 Much like he is in waiting for God. 137 00:09:31.019 --> 00:09:35.580 You know, in waiting for God, he says outrageous and ridiculous things. 138 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:50.399 But with bearing and gravitas, you know, like he's woken up from daydream and says, I was just climbing up the Himalayas with Oscar Wilde and Stephanie Cole, who's who is the other lead in that series, would say, oh, you're an old fool, et cetera. 139 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:51.899 Have you seen Waiting for God? 140 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:52.440 I've never seen it. 141 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:53.639 It's really quite wonderful. 142 00:09:53.700 --> 00:09:56.519 You know, as much as I love as time goes by. 143 00:09:56.580 --> 00:09:59.100 As time goes by, it's a bit saccharine. 144 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:12.179 Whereas waiting for God is just 2 old people who, yeah, they've just had enough, and they're children of shoved them into this nursing home, which is run by Chris Parsons. 145 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:13.320 Oh really? 146 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.659 Oh, we'll get to that. 147 00:10:15.659 --> 00:10:16.980 But we're getting ahead of ourselves. 148 00:10:16.980 --> 00:10:19.080 Back to the haunts of Nymar. 149 00:10:19.139 --> 00:10:21.720 No, look, I love this one. while we're going on old lovies. 150 00:10:21.779 --> 00:10:28.200 Sorry, while we're going on old lovies, isn't it terrific to see just how far Professor Waterfield would go to get away from his daughter? 151 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.740 Yes, he's John Bailey. 152 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:32.399 Sees on. 153 00:10:32.460 --> 00:10:34.620 John Bailey is Edward Waterfield. 154 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:35.220 Oh, really? 155 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:36.539 Wow. 156 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.059 Doctor, you're not still travelling with Victoria. 157 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:40.740 I don't blame you. 158 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.200 He's great, isn't he good? 159 00:10:43.259 --> 00:10:44.879 And you're talking about gravitas. 160 00:10:44.940 --> 00:10:51.000 He really gives us that whole thing of, you know, the highs and lows as you're referencing the Greek tragedy. 161 00:10:51.059 --> 00:10:52.679 I think is the best thing in it. 162 00:10:52.740 --> 00:10:57.720 I think he may be the guest performer of the season, possibly 2nd to Myra Francis. 163 00:10:58.019 --> 00:11:01.500 Well, I think they should have had their own spinoff, don't you? 164 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:05.519 Speaking of sitcoms with Stephanie Cole. 165 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.059 Because that's where the story really, really gets scary. 166 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:10.440 And I... 167 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:11.039 Myra Francis. 168 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.320 Yeah, just referencing her. 169 00:11:13.379 --> 00:11:14.820 But it is, isn't it? 170 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:16.559 beautifully done. beautifully done. 171 00:11:16.620 --> 00:11:20.039 See, I've got a bit of a memory about that episode, if I might share it. 172 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.480 This is another one that I didn't have on videotape until I was about 12, I think. 173 00:11:24.539 --> 00:11:25.679 And the ABC... 174 00:11:25.740 --> 00:11:28.740 This is when we saw it, really, 1st time, we were about the same age, yeah. 175 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:31.620 And the ABC were repeating it in the afternoons. 176 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.580 And so I taped episode one and 2 and episode 3 was the next day. 177 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:42.419 And some of my cousins were visiting, Leah and Daniel, and I quite treasure the story because Daniel is sadly no longer with us. 178 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.700 And we were out having a walk. 179 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:50.879 And I suddenly realised that it was a fine 15 and doctor was on at 5.30 or something like that. 180 00:11:50.940 --> 00:11:52.980 And Daniel said, oh, you know, we've got to get back. 181 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:54.480 Daniel was about 5 years old. 182 00:11:54.539 --> 00:11:56.100 We've got to get back and so we ran home. 183 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:59.580 Well, you should have known better. 5 years old, I believe. 184 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:08.940 So he ran home and my mum had remembered to record it, which was quite a momentous moment in itself because she wasn't very good with the VCR. 185 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.059 And so we got there just at the end. 186 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:16.259 So I rearround the tape to watch it and Daniel went off to do something else. 187 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:17.460 I said, don't you want to watch this? 188 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:18.600 And he said, I'm 15. 189 00:12:18.899 --> 00:12:19.860 I'm a 15-year-old boy. 190 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.679 I've got a lot of things to do in my room apart from watching Doctor Who. 191 00:12:22.740 --> 00:12:23.399 Well, that's the thing. 192 00:12:23.460 --> 00:12:25.500 He said, oh, no, I don't like Doctor Who. didn't want you to miss it. 193 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:26.700 Oh, isn't that lovely? 194 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.240 So he didn't beat you up for making you come home and watch Doctor Who. 195 00:12:30.299 --> 00:12:32.159 See, that's what nice 15-year-olds were like. 196 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:33.179 But he didn't. 197 00:12:33.179 --> 00:12:36.419 So, you were going to say, you changed his life and he just absolutely loved Doctor Who. 198 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:37.139 No, no, no. 199 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:40.919 No, that's just a little window. 200 00:12:40.980 --> 00:12:43.379 Well, I used to try and Priscillitize. 201 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:47.639 I used to try. and try and induct others, children, and I still have the scars. 202 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.100 How about yourself, Nathan? 203 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.259 You still do that, don't you? 204 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:53.159 You still enable youth? 205 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:56.399 Well, yeah, no, we have a Doctor Who club at school. 206 00:12:56.460 --> 00:12:57.179 We're watching. 207 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.100 And I know some of your students listen. 208 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:00.899 So hello, Nathan's Doctor Who. 209 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:06.840 Hello, and I hope that all my other lovely things that I've said on this podcast still get through. 210 00:13:06.899 --> 00:13:08.279 Yeah, yeah, no, we cut them all out. 211 00:13:08.340 --> 00:13:09.480 Most of it gets cut. 212 00:13:09.539 --> 00:13:14.399 So, you know, look forward to the unexpurgated version of your 18th birthdays. 213 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:18.179 So that scene with season on the planet, Krena. 214 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:21.120 So it's a little bit like Inferno, isn't it? 215 00:13:21.179 --> 00:13:26.639 where we go to a parallel world where the disaster has played out and we get to see what Nymon has in store for it. 216 00:13:26.700 --> 00:13:38.399 But it's what they later do in The Simpsons in Marge versus the Monorail, where Marge goes to North Haverbrook to find the disaster that's been wrought on that town. 217 00:13:38.460 --> 00:13:42.960 And there's that guy who's like sees on the guy who stops to have a haircut and then rushes back. 218 00:13:43.019 --> 00:13:43.980 He's the doctor. 219 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:45.059 She was the doctor all along. 220 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.639 And Matt Greening is a Doctor Who fan. 221 00:13:47.700 --> 00:13:48.240 Yes, he is. 222 00:13:48.299 --> 00:13:50.519 Massively major, Doctor Who. 223 00:13:50.580 --> 00:14:00.179 I was just going to say, of course, I mean, the obvious, you know, lodestone in the room that there's no question, Chris Chippeners, if you want a female doctor, you just cast Lala Wardigan. 224 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:01.080 She has already played it. 225 00:14:01.139 --> 00:14:04.500 I'm too excited by the prospect of Olivia Coleman as Doctor Who. 226 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:09.299 With David Tennant as what, Saul the Flying Church. 227 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:10.919 Yeah, yeah, yeah. something like that. 228 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:12.899 As a regenerated donor. 229 00:14:13.379 --> 00:14:21.899 There is talk about that, but that's for not now, that they're trying to get Catherine Tate interested in this show, but it could just be a chat. 230 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:27.059 I love how Catherine Tate, even after being in the show for a year, knows nothing about it. 231 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.340 No, she thinks the Daleks are still in every single episode. 232 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:30.419 Yeah, yeah. 233 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:34.440 My favourite Catherine Tate moment is when she was on Nevermind the Bozcox. 234 00:14:34.500 --> 00:14:41.039 Before I did the show, I thought his name was Mr. Who, and he went to university and he became a doctor. 235 00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:44.940 Yeah, you can't, yeah, savant, the whole thing. 236 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.879 I think she's just playing a part there. 237 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:52.620 I got the impression from those commentaries that she is devastatingly intelligent. 238 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:53.519 She is. 239 00:14:53.580 --> 00:15:02.460 Oh, you can be in your own universe and still be devastatingly intelligent, which is, I suppose, through a black hole where Nyman's, for goodness sake, who dresses the Nyimons? 240 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:03.779 Really? 241 00:15:03.779 --> 00:15:05.039 Did they work all of that out themselves? 242 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:05.940 On top of the pops? 243 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:10.500 Did you know they were meant to be hideously ugly beasties that couldn't bear their own visage? 244 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:12.720 They put the balls heads on. 245 00:15:12.779 --> 00:15:31.440 Well, they had the beautiful ornate masks that actually covered their whole upper torsos, which is very interesting if you like it in a post-Star Trek universe that these creatures were so real like, that they presented a beautiful golden mask, Agamemnon, like golden mask, but they were actually Medusae. 246 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:32.759 Right. 247 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:34.200 Who do you say underneath? 248 00:15:34.259 --> 00:15:35.460 Very much more interesting. 249 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:41.820 And that the dancers, because, you know, they were hired, dancers in cork wedgies, it's in 3 foot platform heels. 250 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.220 Imagine how your mother's suffered boys who are. 251 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:47.759 I'm beginning to wonder whether those are cafern, you know, the beautiful. 252 00:15:47.820 --> 00:15:54.659 Yeah, those things, the boots that are associated with Greek tragedy, you know, I wonder why that's why they're wearing the high heels. 253 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.759 I think it's just because it's a bit of flash. 254 00:15:56.820 --> 00:15:57.779 Yeah, probably. 255 00:15:57.779 --> 00:16:01.740 But then again, every generation has its 79, doesn't it? 256 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:03.480 I think that the idea is lovely. 257 00:16:03.539 --> 00:16:08.159 I like to think even watching this, I thought, no, you're not bulls, you're something else underneath. 258 00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:10.559 I just triggered a response when I was reading that. 259 00:16:10.740 --> 00:16:15.539 I think as a boy, we never read them as being bulls in leggings. 260 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.000 I think people thought that they were wearing something else. 261 00:16:18.059 --> 00:16:20.220 Well, you can see how the carapace stops at the back. 262 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:22.679 They've got a lot of side bottom too in those out. 263 00:16:22.740 --> 00:16:24.360 That's a terrific term. 264 00:16:24.419 --> 00:16:26.340 A fair amount of time. 265 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.899 This episode gives you a great deal of sideway leers and side bottoms. 266 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:32.100 They've got great voices. 267 00:16:32.100 --> 00:16:33.059 And hats. 268 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.820 There are some terrific hats and voice, yes, their voices are great. 269 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:36.840 Yeah they're really good. 270 00:16:36.899 --> 00:16:39.179 They come back in what, seasons of fear or something? 271 00:16:39.539 --> 00:16:42.299 I was just going to say as my pick of this episode. 272 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.899 Please listen to Paul Cornell's early big finish 8 doctor. 273 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:47.159 It's a terrific story. 274 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:51.419 Yeah, and then now I'm on a perfect to bring back on audio because I didn't guess it was there. great. 275 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:52.679 No, I didn't know that. 276 00:16:52.740 --> 00:16:54.299 No, not a Raic cult. 277 00:16:54.360 --> 00:17:08.339 Because they were just, you know, the nylon were actually challenging the early Western world, as against Christianity, because Mithraism could have easily become the alternate religion other than Christianity. 278 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:14.279 We could have all been worshipping Naimon as we speak, and perhaps it's kind of where we are. 279 00:17:15.180 --> 00:17:19.859 Well, Nathan, you're in those platforms that he's swearing right now. 280 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:23.519 Usually, Brendan and I have frock cup, but you've done a lovely job this week. 281 00:17:23.579 --> 00:17:27.359 I am wearing Soldi's hat as well. 282 00:17:27.420 --> 00:17:30.480 I actually like the other blokes I never remember. 283 00:17:30.539 --> 00:17:36.720 Yeah, he just looks like he's he's going to do a lovely stum Steve Strange fate to gray moment for us all. 284 00:17:36.779 --> 00:17:38.339 Well, they rub his sleeves. 285 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:39.240 They're great. 286 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:40.319 Trosely. 287 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:41.640 Well, you know, it was really heavy. 288 00:17:41.700 --> 00:17:43.140 Oh, yeah. 289 00:17:43.140 --> 00:17:46.079 And velvet pressed onto foam rubber and it cost a fortune. 290 00:17:46.140 --> 00:17:49.019 The BBC were promoting the story for its cosiness. 291 00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:52.019 Yeah, well, and of course, it's definitely a frop show. 292 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.259 He used to fall over between the takes and he couldn't get up. 293 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:56.220 Yeah, yeah. 294 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:57.779 It's in Pixley. 295 00:17:57.839 --> 00:17:59.640 Tom was to get him up. 296 00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:01.920 Tom was cruelly using him as a beanbag. 297 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:03.900 The costumes, it was. 298 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:05.279 Guess off me, you're very heavy. 299 00:18:05.339 --> 00:18:06.660 June Hudson. 300 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:10.140 Yeah, that's why she's fabulous. that's why Romano looks so great. 301 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:18.119 That's why Romano is dressed in her hunting pinks, which, of course, ladies only wear black when they go hunting, but she's wearing hunting pinks, and I think it's definitely June's thinking. 302 00:18:18.180 --> 00:18:19.259 Hmm, alternate doctor. 303 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:25.200 Well, you know, Tom was busy doing other things and that's why he's not in those scenes with Professor Waterfield. 304 00:18:25.259 --> 00:18:27.059 It's actually they were, Tom was meant to go. 305 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:27.839 Oh, right. 306 00:18:27.900 --> 00:18:32.400 But for whatever reason, during rehearsals or script wise, they gave Lala more work. 307 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:34.079 No, she's great in it too. 308 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:35.339 I think it's quite wonderful. 309 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:35.700 Yeah. 310 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:41.819 And this is this is actually a very good point for a visit from an obelisk. 311 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.400 I actually quite like this story. 312 00:18:44.460 --> 00:18:48.779 However, Tom Baker is out of control by this state. 313 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:54.960 But do you think it's because he's actually trying to compensate for all of the production values that aren't going right? 314 00:18:55.019 --> 00:18:57.480 But there are other things in this that I think work quite well. 315 00:18:57.539 --> 00:19:00.000 I actually really like the Naimon. 316 00:19:00.059 --> 00:19:03.539 And I think this is a tuitive force for Lala Ward as Romana. 317 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.480 I'm about to activate the randomiser. 318 00:19:06.539 --> 00:19:08.579 Again, I wonder where my time bubble will end up next. 319 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.619 Will I be on a beach in Brighton? 320 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:12.119 Will I be in Cambridge? 321 00:19:12.180 --> 00:19:13.799 I guess we'll find out next week. 322 00:19:14.700 --> 00:19:44.099 I'm very glad you raised that, Mr. Floaty, because, as we all now know, this was Doug and Graham, saying, Okay, Tom, you want to run the story your way without a companion, and just have it hilariously fun, and jokes and japes, for the kiddies, and for everyone who loves you at home, and just have, you know, the doctor being able to behave like this, this was to show him how awful, just again, another deadly assassin, how awful it would have been. 323 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:51.839 So just as Hinchcliffe had to do it for Assassin, we now have Williams and Douglas Adams showing him how it wouldn't have worked. 324 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:52.680 And he still didn't get it. 325 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:58.440 He said, oh, no, no, Lana doesn't love you. you know, if you go to have a companion, let them be the doctor and I'll just have fun. 326 00:19:58.500 --> 00:20:02.880 Yeah, so he just faps about him the TARDIS for like scene after scene after scene. 327 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:06.960 It's deliberately done to give Tom his head so he'd shut up after seeing how awful it was. 328 00:20:07.019 --> 00:20:07.740 He didn't get it. 329 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:09.180 It's actually a bit awful. 330 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:10.380 Like, I love Tom. 331 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:13.500 I think, you know, watching Tom on screen is fantastic. 332 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:15.000 He just... 333 00:20:15.059 --> 00:20:16.079 Boom, boom, boom. 334 00:20:16.380 --> 00:20:22.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and there's a there's a ruler twanging in there and all sorts of things. 335 00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:26.039 It's actually the sound effect for major Dennis Bloodnock stomach. 336 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:27.720 It is from the goo, really? 337 00:20:27.779 --> 00:20:28.920 No, it really is. 338 00:20:28.980 --> 00:20:29.940 It's been gone. 339 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.880 It's been put through a filter, but it is a sound effect. 340 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:36.240 Yeah, which damn the curried watermelon. 341 00:20:36.299 --> 00:20:38.940 Which dear listener you heard at the beginning of this episode. 342 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:45.480 Yeah, I find Tom is actually really flat in those scenes. 343 00:20:45.539 --> 00:20:51.660 And I think not that I'm blaming David Bryanley, of course, but it's because he's bouncing off canine. 344 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:55.319 Tom is at his best when he has human actors to bounce off. 345 00:20:55.380 --> 00:21:03.240 And, well, the thing is, we've seen so many times that Tom's performance and the level of Tom's performance depends on who he's acting with. 346 00:21:03.299 --> 00:21:04.140 Yes, I really does. 347 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:17.220 You know, like when Julian Glover is playing everything so straight down the line in City of Death, Tom is he's zany, but still does the zaniness on very one level. 348 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:20.700 And, you know, oh, I'm just talking to you and normally, and isn't that a wonderful Louis Kim's chair? 349 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:22.680 dont hit him over the head with a dog, that sort of thing. 350 00:21:22.740 --> 00:21:29.819 Then you get him in the scene with Graham Crowd and where he's talking about a black hole on my doorstep and they're both amazing. 351 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:31.019 It's wonderful, isn't it? 352 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:32.039 That is great. 353 00:21:32.099 --> 00:21:33.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 354 00:21:33.420 --> 00:21:36.240 But it takes 40 minutes for the doctor to get into the plot. 355 00:21:36.299 --> 00:21:43.559 But like the cliffhanger to episode one is just terrible and it's clearly meant to be so hilariously funny. 356 00:21:43.619 --> 00:21:47.400 It's coming for us and then he's protected. that's right. 357 00:21:47.460 --> 00:21:51.119 And then he's protecting K9, like he's giving K9 a hug and stuff. 358 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:54.240 And it's just stupid. really is. 359 00:21:54.359 --> 00:22:01.079 But the scene with Crowd and later on is also super stupid and super silly, but it's much, much more entertaining to watch. 360 00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:02.700 And despite the fact it's hilarious. 361 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:04.680 It's still really menacing. 362 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:09.000 Like, the way Graham Crowden says a black hole on my doorstep. 363 00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:10.500 Digging a black hole. 364 00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:15.420 I mean, God, why wasn't he being the merciless next year in Flash Gordon? 365 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.240 As much as I love Max von- Max von Sitau. 366 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:19.859 Oh, Max von Seidel? 367 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:20.819 Whatever you like. 368 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:22.140 He's a friendly chat. 369 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:23.160 And it's troubles. 370 00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:24.420 Yeah, and it's... 371 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.039 You could have had graham crab. 372 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.539 We practical, Graham Crabin is practically playing Ming the Merciless in this without the epicanthic folds. 373 00:22:30.660 --> 00:22:35.519 But he's great and he's wonderful on the commentary. barely remembers a bloody thing. 374 00:22:35.579 --> 00:22:41.279 Lullaward's great on the commentary as well because as soon as Sorak walks in, she says, and guest starring the Sydney Opera House. 375 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:49.559 I really wish more of their adlives had been kept in because Lala's so good at all of that. 376 00:22:49.619 --> 00:22:54.420 And, you know, just I would have liked Douglas to have Adams to have made a guest appearance in one of these stories. 377 00:22:54.480 --> 00:23:09.359 Yeah, another thing that Kate and Simon and Peter did on that fan edit is that every time the poor co-pilot speaks as played by Malcolm Terrace, they would just superimpose the word oink underneath him in pink letters. 378 00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:11.759 That's kind of fat shaming, really. 379 00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:13.140 It is, isn't it? 380 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:17.940 Also, the pilot Bob Hornery actually had quite a long career. real name. 381 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.039 He actually had quite a long career. 382 00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:21.059 And I can't remember who it was. 383 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:27.539 But one of my old drinking buddies in the UK swore blind that he knew someone who played a pilot on Doctor Who. 384 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:33.960 And then came back to me a week later and, you know, he was saying, oh, you know, he was in this episode with bulls and whatnot. 385 00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:35.339 I said, oh, is his name Malcolm? 386 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.440 Oh, you know, it was a friend of the family. 387 00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:38.160 I'll have to go check. 388 00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:38.700 It came back. 389 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:39.299 No, it was Bob. 390 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:41.579 I'm like, Bob Pornery, the pilot. 391 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:42.660 He said, yeah, yeah, yeah. 392 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:48.059 And he always said that he was killed in episode one because he said he read the rest of the script and didn't want to be in it. 393 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:52.859 Yeah, well, you know, I doubt that, but that's probably something you said after the fact. 394 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.259 No, honestly, mum, that's why my career didn't work out. 395 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:56.160 Can I have some more money? 396 00:23:56.220 --> 00:24:01.140 Well, he, apparently, he actually had quite a long career paying civil servants and what have you. 397 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:06.240 So he did a bit of an Alec Guinness, which is, oh God, this is all a bit crap, isn't it? 398 00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:07.859 This will never go anywhere. 399 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:09.660 He was a bit of a that guy. 400 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:11.220 He did look kind of familiar. 401 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.200 Marlowe Thomas of Doctor Who. 402 00:24:13.859 --> 00:24:17.160 I will say that the Nimon actors have wonderful names. 403 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:19.140 We have Robin Sherringham... 404 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:20.400 They have lovely bottoms too. 405 00:24:20.460 --> 00:24:21.900 But we have Robin Sherringham. 406 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:24.839 We have Bob Applebee and we have Trevor St. 407 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:25.619 John Hacker. 408 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:27.599 Wow, it's probably pronounced St. 409 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:28.140 John Hack. 410 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:30.299 Dead Butch names, all three. 411 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:32.099 No, they were dancers. 412 00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:33.839 They're all dancers. 413 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:35.640 I kind of want to call. 414 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:36.180 Physical act. 415 00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:39.299 I kind of want to cosplayers and I'm on despite the fact I'm 5 foot three. 416 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.579 Actually, that could be pretty hilarious. 417 00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:42.720 You have to have 5 foot boots. 418 00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:45.180 Yeah, so, well, I've got my Katie boots. 419 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:48.900 Just up the local shops. 420 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:50.400 Something doesn't have to be any event. 421 00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:52.440 Just go to cosplayer. 422 00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:57.960 Yeah, just go and get a beef sablaaki up the road. you know something a bit thematic. 423 00:24:58.019 --> 00:24:58.920 He has a name. 424 00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:00.359 So Kenny McBain. 425 00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:02.099 Directing is one and only Doctor Who story. 426 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:04.980 Yeah, because he dies almost immediately afterwards. 427 00:25:05.099 --> 00:25:05.640 Shame. 428 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:07.799 He's dead by... 429 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:08.700 Yeah, the age of 42. 430 00:25:08.819 --> 00:25:10.500 Yeah, it might be awful. 431 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:11.339 Straight up. 432 00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:15.599 So and so did Simon Gibbs Kent, who played Seth. 433 00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.980 He died in 1987. 434 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:18.480 Oh, really? 435 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.240 Of, yes, of being in the 1980s. 436 00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:23.700 And he's also in episode one of Blackadder. 437 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:24.779 So he didn't die of shame. 438 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.359 He did something good before he died. 439 00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:30.119 I think he's quite good in this, yeah. he was very popular. 440 00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:33.779 He's a bit wet, but the character is a bit wet. 441 00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:39.420 And I'm quite sympathetic to like that bit in the 1st episode, I think it is. 442 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.240 Well, the 2nd episode where he's telling Romana his story. 443 00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:52.619 I think he does that really well and really sells the idea that he's, you know, just been caught up in these circumstances and he doesn't feel like a hero, but he gets to be a hero in there. 444 00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:53.819 But he doesn't. 445 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:58.019 I think that that's the problem is that to pay that scene off. 446 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:00.420 He really needs to be the one. 447 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.359 I know we don't do that in this era of Doctor Who. 448 00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:07.380 But he needs to be the one who actually does do something heroic at the end. 449 00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:12.779 But all he really does is run down a corridor with a stick and then run back when he sees some nyimons coming. 450 00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:15.000 He saves the doctor from Soldi in episode four. 451 00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:16.019 Yeah, no, he does. 452 00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:17.579 He sticks and he sticks somewhere. 453 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.019 Oh, he shoots Salde, doesn't he? 454 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.019 Yes, another stick, another garnet in his massive wand. 455 00:26:22.140 --> 00:26:25.980 I do like that they're running about in their grandmother's curtains. 456 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.000 Yes. 457 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.220 Oh, is that the fun track family? 458 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.900 They really are all wearing curtains. 459 00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:35.039 And I also like that they're the Ian and Blyton youth characters in this. 460 00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:36.599 And Lala was always pushing for that. 461 00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:37.859 Oh, she wants more for the kids. 462 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.299 But I think it plays nicely against it. 463 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:40.980 And now I did visually. 464 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.619 Even though this is a cheap story, there are great things in it. 465 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:53.759 Do you remember being 12 years of age and thinking, how exciting, the TARDIS has a vortex tunnel field effect that can extends the door force field? 466 00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:55.559 That blew my mind. 467 00:26:55.619 --> 00:26:56.819 That's amazing at 12. 468 00:26:57.059 --> 00:26:58.500 And I've got to say, it still looks fine now. 469 00:26:58.559 --> 00:26:59.339 Yeah, yeah. 470 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.599 It's so exciting. 471 00:27:00.660 --> 00:27:03.599 I mean, the model work sells it and kind of people we are. 472 00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:09.180 The weird thing is, it's models on video again, but yeah, I think far more effective than the ones in. 473 00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:11.940 I'm doing it now to Brendan's head. 474 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.160 I'm the asteroid, am I? 475 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:16.440 Photo. 476 00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:19.440 The models are very effective. 477 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.319 And you can tweet this straight away, Nathan. 478 00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:26.880 So when you hear this podcast in about 4 weeks, dear listener, you'll know what this tweet was all about. 479 00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:37.200 The models are really effective in that sequence and Tom and Lal, they get the ramp at the perfect angle that they're walking down through the tunnel and they're mucking about with the scarf. 480 00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:39.359 And yeah, it's another another lovely moment. 481 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:40.500 And despite... 482 00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:41.940 Lots of lovely moments in this, aren't we? 483 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.579 Despite the fact, as Todd says, Tom is a bit out of control. 484 00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:47.039 He still gets he's gravitous moment. 485 00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:49.380 Well, isn't he just balancing soul deed? 486 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.339 Yeah, yeah. 487 00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:51.420 But that's the thing. 488 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.039 Yeah, yeah. 489 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.779 He's all jokes until that. 490 00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:56.099 Now, where's Romana? 491 00:27:56.099 --> 00:28:00.720 And you get you get the cold steel and the whole thing about... 492 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.380 Yeah, when he's angry about what the Naimon are doing and what have you. 493 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:10.920 And I didn't I didn't mention last week with Nightmare of Eden, but, you know, that intensity at the end, go away. 494 00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:12.599 Yeah, that was quite good. 495 00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:13.559 I liked that too. 496 00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:14.339 That's the thing. 497 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.839 I think Tom is a little bit out of control. 498 00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:23.220 But at the same time, he hasn't, like, say his predecessor, retired from acting. 499 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.140 No, you know. 500 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:26.940 And as much as I love John. 501 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.059 I don't think John retires from acting and stays retired. 502 00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:34.440 I think he retires from acting until he gets a moment he likes and then he comes back in full force. 503 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:38.700 Whereas Tom is always full force, just not always going in the right direction. 504 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:49.920 Yeah, it's actually very, you're right, very different styles of performance, and there is petulance in Pertwe's performance, but then he is an 18th century dandy. 505 00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:52.319 So that was part of part of the whole. 506 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.859 I mean, I think both of them are obnoxious to their co-stars from time to time. 507 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.380 I think both of them would have been really difficult to work with. 508 00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.319 Perjury is acting sometimes. 509 00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:03.839 And Tom isn't. 510 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:06.960 You know, Tom is a performance, but it's a compelling performance. 511 00:29:07.019 --> 00:29:08.819 He's what you want to see on television. 512 00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.519 And so the character... 513 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:11.940 Yeah, yeah. 514 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:13.799 And the character doesn't have much interiority. 515 00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:16.980 You're not really invited to wonder how the doctor's feeling in a particular moment. 516 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:18.900 Which we called mystery in those days. 517 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.380 But he's just really compelling to watch. 518 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.500 And it does, as you say, Brandon, miss fire from time to time. 519 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:30.539 Sometimes it's embarrassing or it deforms a scene or something like that. 520 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.140 But he's so compelling to watch. 521 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:41.819 And we're really at the tail end of a season where things are going to change really quite drastically in his performance after this. 522 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.680 I do wonder. 523 00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:50.160 And I haven't been able to find any strong indication of this, but they would have known that this story was going out over Christmas. 524 00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:58.619 And I think there is a definite effort to make it into a Christmas show. you know, to make it sparkly and to make it panto-y. 525 00:29:58.740 --> 00:29:59.460 I feel to that. 526 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:03.599 It's all denied, you know, in the later things, but come on, it was so long ago. 527 00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:06.539 It is the 1st story of the 80s. 528 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:17.700 I usually have a festive, uh, desiccated an Ethan corpse, uh, in the corner. because we're talking about all the lightness and silliness, but there is great chiaroscuro here. 529 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:18.660 Theres darkness as well. 530 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.220 And, okay, Sol D doesn't necessarily get there, but you know, a lot of this running out of time. 531 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:28.259 Graham Crowth and scenes were rehearsal shoots that he didn't think were going to be recorded. 532 00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:34.319 So when he giggles when he dies, of course, he's laughing with Tom or whomever to start a shock because it's terrible, darling. 533 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.039 And that's so, yeah, so that happens quite a bit in this. 534 00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:49.380 But the corpse, see, this is totally space 1979, it's this beautiful thing, desiccated corpse, and then you touch it and just like a lovely macaroon. and it's still startling today. 535 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:50.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 536 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.119 And I think Janet Ellis sells that money. startling as well. 537 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.740 And then she actually gets the line of, you know, that's what's going to happen to us. 538 00:30:58.859 --> 00:31:00.000 My career. 539 00:31:00.059 --> 00:31:00.839 That's right. 540 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.960 I saw Janet Ellis at a convention once. 541 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:11.819 And it was very interesting because this was just after Blue Peter had been dropped to, I think, one episode a week and the studio had been moved and cut and what have you. 542 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.579 And Peter Purpose was at the same convention and they were interviewed separately. 543 00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:16.740 And Peter Purpose was... 544 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.279 Peter Purvis was asked, what do you think of the move with Blue Peter? 545 00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:29.519 And he said, well, you know, with new media and internet and things, it's still relevant for children, but perhaps not as much as it was, and this could be a way to save the program. 546 00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:34.619 And if you distil the quality of 2 episodes into one really excellent episode, then I'm all for it. 547 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.579 Whereas when Janet Ellis was asked, she said, no, no, they're trying to kill the program. 548 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.220 So it's very interesting to get those 2 perspectives. 549 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:43.559 But Janet Ellis also said... 550 00:31:43.619 --> 00:31:48.720 I will have my revenge and have a daughter that will that will sing at you for, go on. 551 00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:55.019 So someone said, have you shown Sophie, Ellis Baxter, your Doctor Who story? 552 00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.480 She's like, oh, yeah, you know, she really likes the outfit. 553 00:31:57.539 --> 00:31:59.039 She wants to dress up like Romana. 554 00:31:59.099 --> 00:32:02.220 And she said, you know, it's fun because Sophie and I head out together. 555 00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:05.400 And we go to karaoke bars and I embarrass her by singing her songs. 556 00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:09.119 Do you know the other thing about Sophie Ellis Bexter? 557 00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:10.920 She's an out Doctor Who fan? 558 00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:11.700 Oh, yeah. 559 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.720 She's actually said it. 560 00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:15.119 And even to the point that some of her Vs. 561 00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:23.160 There are autons in her clips, there are other things that way before Will Baker was doing it for, well, probably actually around exactly the same time. 562 00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:25.380 Sorry, Soph, that was doing it for Kylie. 563 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.839 You've got, yeah, lots of Doctor Who references. 564 00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:29.700 Sophie, apparently, this is just apocryphal. 565 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.759 I don't know if any of you know the truth, was interested in being on the show. 566 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.740 No, that's true. 567 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.619 But Russell was, they just didn't find a place for her or? 568 00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:50.880 I think it was scheduling because Janet did mention that in her interview and she said, you know, also, Sophie wants to be on the show and she's discussed it with them, but it was a matter of scheduling because despite the fact that we may not hear so much about Sophie these days. 569 00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:52.980 She's out coming out to Australia again. 570 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:53.700 Yeah, exactly. 571 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.819 She, you know, she is still touring and she is still putting out new music. 572 00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:57.839 It's just, you know. 573 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:03.119 Sounds exactly the same as it did 10 years ago, but yeah, especially used to, I happen to have all of the tears, so, you know, I have no shame. 574 00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:05.400 But they like lots of lovely Doctor Who references. 575 00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:07.019 There are even lines in some of her songs. 576 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.259 Oh, God, I'm tragic, but do reference Doctor Who. 577 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.220 There's that one line where she says she knows so little about telebiogenesis. 578 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:15.480 Yeah, that's the thing. 579 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.519 There are actually sound grabs from Tristram Carey on one of her tracks. 580 00:33:20.579 --> 00:33:22.740 Yeah, I've got it here in the notes. 581 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.980 And that wonderful number 27 hit, Seth will defeat the night mono, restore piece to NF. 582 00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:33.240 For those of you underwear, because I don't think we said it at the beginning. 583 00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:37.799 So the singer, Sophie Ellis-Bexter, is the daughter of Tika actress Janet Ellis. 584 00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:40.680 Yeah, and if you don't know that, why are you listening to this podcast? 585 00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.839 There's nothing else in it that'll make sense. 586 00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:49.019 There's nothing heterosexual in this entire 4 episodes is there. 587 00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:50.160 There's absolutely nothing. 588 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:57.059 You know, it is somehow it manages to be incredibly camp and incredibly menacing at the same time. 589 00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.880 Okay, so are you saying they're in distinct properties? 590 00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:01.500 Is there distinct properties? 591 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:03.779 Are you saying they're distinct properties? 592 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:04.380 I don't see. 593 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.880 No, no, it's just that quite often in television, when you get one, you don't get the other. 594 00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:14.519 You know, Mr. Humphreys was never particularly menacing. 595 00:34:14.579 --> 00:34:15.179 Oh I don't know. 596 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:20.099 Louis Fiander was never particularly missing last week, either, for the same reason. 597 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:27.840 But then every great villain in television and theatre history has been an evil camp, old bugger. 598 00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:28.440 That's true. 599 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:31.139 There is the child of Vinda Kay. 600 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.539 Well, I don't know that that's necessarily outside. 601 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:35.639 Our Venn diagram, is it? 602 00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:37.019 He's definitely camp. 603 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:38.519 You know he's having it off with Showak. 604 00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:43.860 Oh, no, he might be gay, but he's completely, he plays it so completely straight. 605 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.320 I don't think this is taken of camp either. 606 00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:48.539 Tell me that glove slapping isn't camp. 607 00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:52.079 Yeah, I think I think it's game set and matched. 608 00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:58.260 And, and, you know, not only that, but he throws he throws shade on Prentice Hancock. 609 00:34:58.320 --> 00:34:59.400 I'll show you. 610 00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:01.559 What are you? 611 00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:02.880 Impatient, Captain. 612 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:06.300 Oh, oh, I know. 613 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:11.460 All right, we're abandoning Haunts of Norman and re-recording another... 614 00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.460 The WCB stories, whiny controlling Bolton. 615 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:18.599 You can really hear the graph just pushy PCBs. 616 00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:19.440 You know what? 617 00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:21.000 I really love this story. 618 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:27.480 And the only reason I can see, I can sort of legitimise the hate that it gets is, you know what? 619 00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:28.440 Yes, it does look cheap. 620 00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.619 It's another cuff cotting exercise to pay for shada. 621 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:32.039 Sure. 622 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:33.840 You know, I hope that works out. 623 00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:34.920 Yeah, me too. 624 00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:47.699 But that being said, I think the sets for this are so much better than the ones for nightmare reading, because as I mentioned before, we have relief in the sense, we have levels to the set. 625 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:49.559 It's the designer is Graham's story on this one. 626 00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:51.539 You know, we have levels in the sets. 627 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:53.579 We have things in the foreground, we have things in the background. 628 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:58.019 Yeah, we have fake skies, but we've always had fake skies. so strange. 629 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.920 I mean, I like them a lot, but it is really, like, it's not naturalistic. 630 00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:03.360 They not standing in buildings. 631 00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:07.860 They're standing on these sort of flaws on the surface with these... 632 00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:09.179 The top of the pops videos. 633 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:10.139 It is, really. 634 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:10.619 Yeah. 635 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.000 This is why I like it. 636 00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:13.320 Or BBC Shakespeare. 637 00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:14.280 Did that as well? 638 00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:17.880 But it's that hypernaturalism to the point that it's surreal in itself. 639 00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:20.280 It's not trying to be realistic. 640 00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:23.039 It's actually imitating other forms. 641 00:36:23.099 --> 00:36:25.019 And in this case, it's video pop. 642 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:25.679 Yeah. 643 00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:26.579 No, I think that's right. 644 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:28.440 And it looks, I think it works really well. 645 00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:30.480 June Hudson was in on that one, don't you? 646 00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:31.800 Yeah, she's crazy. 647 00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:36.960 And of course, the crinol sets are a lot more realistic, if you like. 648 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:43.380 You don't, more darkly lit and, you know, it's a complex with walls and you don't see the fake sky. 649 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.679 All of that built just to avoid Victoria Waterfall. 650 00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:49.739 And you know, to give Tom a Dale. 651 00:36:49.800 --> 00:37:02.880 But yeah, maybe that feeds into the idea of hyper realism because, you know, life on Skonos is great at the moment and everything's hyper real and isn't it wonderful and eat the soylent and have your cupcake in a cup because soon you're going to be like this. 652 00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:04.679 Or cream tea. 653 00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:08.579 Didn't you use sconos and just thought, oh, thank goodness, green tea. 654 00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:10.619 Desperate. 655 00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.599 This is a lovely, lovely story. 656 00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:17.940 This is the last story of the 70s. one of these episodes went out in the 80s. 657 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.320 So it's the 1st story of the 80s. 658 00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:22.559 I think it's a beautiful swan song to a magnificent era. 659 00:37:22.619 --> 00:37:36.239 There's a lovely essay in license denied, which is a collection put together by Paul Cornell that Nathan has cited previously, of just lovely things, some fandom of when the 90s was re-looking at it. 660 00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:39.599 And one of them, my favourite essays is why the Nimon is our friend. 661 00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:54.780 And it just talks about as we did last time with Tom and Blauer being the doctor and Romana and facing off against the dreariness of the world by being individual and celebrating art and life and fun. 662 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.460 Yeah, celebrating fun. 663 00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.139 I actually think that's my Nightmare of Eden. 664 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:03.659 Nathan, so it doesn't work because its message is too pathetic, if you like. 665 00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.420 Whereas this one is, oh, come on, don't be silly. 666 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.380 Be silly. 667 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:16.920 Yeah, this seems like the ultimate thing you were saying, you've been saying all of this, Susan, Richard, of the individual against that's the thing. 668 00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:17.280 Thank you. 669 00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:20.400 The individual against doll, the doll ascribed. 670 00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:21.900 I actually say it's against capitalism. 671 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.239 Because, of course, that's where he was coming from. 672 00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:25.260 At this point. 673 00:38:26.699 --> 00:38:35.699 All of the humanoid characters in the story, the Skonons and the Anethens and the people of Krinnoff, they're just being used for fuel. 674 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.579 They have no life, they have no quality of life. 675 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:44.519 Even the Skonons who are trying to build their empire, all they're living for is this empire, except for... 676 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.199 Sorak. 677 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:55.079 Do you feel it's a remake of that marvellous 1926 film Metropolis, which we should mention was made in German expressions? 678 00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:58.619 Mm, where everyone's sort of part of a big giant machine. 679 00:38:58.679 --> 00:38:59.159 Yeah, yeah. 680 00:38:59.219 --> 00:39:01.019 Expressionistically, so... 681 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.739 Yeah, and the thing is, I just said that because I wanted a reaction. 682 00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:07.440 You've got Sorak. 683 00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:10.019 He's the one constantly asking questions. 684 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:14.039 He's the one constantly asking questions, but why are we doing this? 685 00:39:14.099 --> 00:39:15.119 And isn't there something more? 686 00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:17.460 You know, and he's... 687 00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:27.719 You know, Soul Deed can't revive K9 because he's just doing it to get something he wants, whereas Sorak does it out of curiosity and manages to revive him, you know? 688 00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:31.980 There's always the moment of hope and sentience in the individual. 689 00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:41.099 There's always a moment of we will transcend our currents blandness by simply using our imaginations. simply thinking outside. 690 00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:48.179 Tom and Lala are just out now, of course, on Big Finish doing new series, the 5th series, the 4th doctor. 691 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:48.960 Isn't it wonderful? 692 00:39:49.019 --> 00:40:01.260 Well, it's Justin Richards wrote a really whizzing script, and I'm not going to say who the villains are, but it feels like an Avengers story, and it's set in the 60s, and I thought, yes, this is how I felt looking at the Douglas Adams season. 693 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:02.940 And for me, this is the Tomman. 694 00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:05.159 Lama seasons, but we're not over yet, are we? 695 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:06.539 We kind of are. 696 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:07.679 Yeah, aren't we? 697 00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:08.880 We really can't. 698 00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:10.199 It depends how you look at cannon. 699 00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:16.679 I mean, I like to, I think it's a good place to reminisce about this season and the impact it had. 700 00:40:16.739 --> 00:40:18.119 That license denied. 701 00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:28.920 A collection has an article by Gareth Roberts called Tom II, which is a defence of this era, and his defence is that it's just terrifically fun. 702 00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:35.880 And when we kind of do our Jenny Land awards and things next week, maybe I'll have criticisms to make. 703 00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:41.159 But I really enjoy just the tone, just the dialogue. 704 00:40:41.280 --> 00:41:01.559 There are so many funny throwaway lines all the way through, like this story and the last story and the previous one, which is just Douglas Adams, you know, you've got a brilliant, clever comedy writer doing the script editing, but a writer who is aware of the need to be serious and to be scary and to have something to say. 705 00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:03.780 And it just works really well. 706 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.179 The relationship between Tom and Lala is great. 707 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.340 I really, really enjoy this. 708 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.119 I'm not blind to its flaws, but gee, it's been fun. 709 00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:16.139 And of course, depending on your version of canon. 710 00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:20.219 We will be doing Shada next week, but some people don't count Shada. 711 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:24.719 And if you don't count Shada, that means this is the last performance by David Brierly as K9. 712 00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:26.940 Yes. 713 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.519 And his last line of dialogue. 714 00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:33.659 Negative, master. poor thing. 715 00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:35.519 I love David Reilly. 716 00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:36.179 He is wonderful. 717 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:36.780 You know what? 718 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:38.280 I think he does a great job. 719 00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:46.980 He makes the character his own, well, you know, he carries on the idea of the character, but he doesn't try to just copy what John Leeson did. 720 00:41:47.039 --> 00:42:01.500 Because I think it's far worse when a voice actor tries to copy exactly and gets it wrong, then if they go, I'm going to go with the vague ballpark and get a similar kind of voice. 721 00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:04.440 Because he does end up with a similar voice, you can tell it's different. 722 00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:13.860 You do know that canine's computer brain has tarrial cells in it and so for this season is under control by Aurac. my goodness. 723 00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.659 That makes perfect. 724 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:16.980 Yeah, yeah, that's really happening. 725 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:17.940 I'm happy with that. 726 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.539 Well done. 727 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.239 Like so much of this season. 728 00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:27.119 Despite each of the stories has flaws, as we've discussed, you can put on any of them and have a good time. 729 00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:28.500 Yeah, like a frock. 730 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.400 As we glanced off from Sconus with our ship painted white. 731 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:49.860 I hope you remember to do that, did you? 732 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:56.880 We're going to set the randomiser, and as Todd said earlier, we may end up in Cambridge, or we may end up in Brighton. 733 00:42:56.940 --> 00:42:57.780 No, we're going to Cambridge. 734 00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:58.800 Okay. 735 00:42:58.860 --> 00:43:06.420 Please check out our website at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. 736 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:16.139 You can also share this podcast that you've just listened to on your social networks app would be wonderful and check out Bondfinger as well, where we have 6 Bond commentaries. 737 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.960 Until next week, may all your power complexes fit. 738 00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:20.039 Thank you very much and good night. 739 00:43:20.099 --> 00:43:20.880 Good night. 740 00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:21.300 Good night. 741 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:28.980 That was Flood Your Entirety, with Despicable Worm, Wiggling Scum, and Meddlesome Hustling. 742 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:34.500 This episode, falling on Corey Bernardi, was recorded on the 6th of February 2016. 743 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.860 The next episode will be released on February 28th. 744 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:44.039 This episode is dedicated to Bob Horner, who in fact had a 60-year career and passed away last year in Melbourne. 745 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.659 Horns of Nimon, February 6th. 746 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.900 No, it's the horns of Naimon. 747 00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:56.880 Keep that in. 748 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.619 The previous one was N Arthurus. 749 00:43:58.679 --> 00:43:59.460 This one has the article. 750 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.559 It's my job to know that. 751 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:02.340 Yep. 752 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.099 And you can put that up here in Altra. 753 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:09.300 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight through Entirety. 754 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.800 The only Doctor Who... 755 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:16.500 I dried and then a car horn. 756 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.119 Right, okay.