WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:32:31 1 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:40.859 I am decider, Brendan. 2 00:00:41.219 --> 00:00:43.920 I am the cider Nathan. 3 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:47.039 I am the silent. 4 00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:49.380 And you are the listener. 5 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:54.600 Welcome to Flightthrough Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast Evolved from Riverfruit. 6 00:00:55.500 --> 00:00:58.619 Oh, now if they like, I should say I'm Nathan. 7 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:07.140 And things are all about to go a bit green and wibbly as we find ourselves on the planet Alzarius for full circle. 8 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:13.379 So, this is a Doctor Who story written by a Doctor Who fan, starring a Doctor Who fan. 9 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.920 So which Doctor Who fan would you like to talk about first, gentlemen? 10 00:01:16.980 --> 00:01:22.019 I think we have to go for Andrew Smith, because there's so much to say about Matthew Waterhouse. 11 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:23.579 But let's go with Andrew Smith. 12 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:24.060 What do you think? 13 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:26.640 And this is the only time we'll get to talk about Andrew, isn't it? 14 00:01:26.700 --> 00:01:27.299 Yeah, that's true. 15 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:32.640 Although it does start with some scenes that must be by old CHB himself. 16 00:01:32.700 --> 00:01:38.760 We didn't mention last time that at the end, Romana gets that call from Gallifre. 17 00:01:38.819 --> 00:01:39.719 Yes, that's right. 18 00:01:39.780 --> 00:01:41.700 Before they take the earthling home. 19 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:42.659 She does. 20 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:47.219 So here we start off with her not wanting to go back to Califre at all. 21 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:52.379 The doctor talks about Leila and Andra. 22 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:53.040 Yes, yes. 23 00:01:53.099 --> 00:01:56.280 And Kane, you'll get to meet your twin. 24 00:01:56.340 --> 00:01:59.280 I don't particularly like Marla's performance in that scene. 25 00:01:59.340 --> 00:02:00.239 I think it's far too emotional. 26 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:07.019 Do you know, it's, again, Bidmead says, I'm sure, am I traducing Bidmead here or misquoting him? 27 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:12.000 I got the impression that he didn't like the soap opera elements. of the new series. 28 00:02:12.060 --> 00:02:16.199 Oh, well, no, I think you're right there, but I quite enjoy that. 29 00:02:16.259 --> 00:02:20.939 For the same reason that we've really been enjoying wireless performance for the last 2 stories. 30 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:34.199 And I think Lala is possibly enjoying herself a bit more because she's actually getting to act, you know, and she's being given material that means she has to vary. her performance. 31 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:43.080 And this is the story where it starts to, sort of, take season 17 thing of the individual against the conglomerate. 32 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:52.139 And slightly put a new spin on it, because it starts to become about responsibility in the end of childhood and the end of adventuring. 33 00:02:52.199 --> 00:03:12.180 And it's very uncomfortable, especially for the doctor to, she says to the doctor, you fought the time lords, and he says, yes, and I lost, and I just, the scene is, I think, quite underplayed by both of them, emotionally played, but underplayed because they're talking about giving up a massive, massive thing. 34 00:03:12.300 --> 00:03:14.099 Their relationship with each other. 35 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:15.960 She's talking about giving up travelling. 36 00:03:16.020 --> 00:03:22.560 But it's just done in such a subtle way, and it sort of ends with her going, well, that's that then. 37 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:26.759 So it is really different from anything that we've had for years. 38 00:03:26.819 --> 00:03:39.000 I mean, the doctor and Romana have just smirked their way through the universe, like not really caring about anything, and not reflecting at all on how they feel about each other or what they think of the lives that they lead. 39 00:03:39.060 --> 00:03:46.680 And so here you get this sort of soap opera element, and, and all of those continuity references. 40 00:03:46.740 --> 00:03:49.379 And I don't like the Android Leela thing very much. 41 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:54.300 I do like the soap opera thing a bit, but both of them. 42 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:58.139 Again, we said this before, I think I've said it on a recent episode. 43 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.780 These are the things that are going to poison the program to death. 44 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:11.879 The soap opera, which will be hugely ineptly done after this year, with all the characters wandering around TARDIS bedrooms and moating in, you know, just the most amateurish way imaginable. 45 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:26.519 And then the continuity references, you know, the attack of the Cyberman factor, where, you know, we just mentioned past stories that happened years ago in a way that no one could possibly care about, except members of the Doctor Who Appreciation Society. 46 00:04:26.699 --> 00:04:29.939 Here, I think it's before the rot sets in. 47 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.839 I thought it was a refreshing change at this point in our flight. 48 00:04:33.899 --> 00:04:39.600 I don't have a problem with the content of the actual scene up to that endpoint. 49 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.839 Yeah, but I just don't like her reaction at the end of it. 50 00:04:42.899 --> 00:04:47.699 I think it's, it's one of those lava moments that I dislike in her portrayal's Romana. 51 00:04:47.819 --> 00:04:50.100 It's only, again, it's just that one moment. 52 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:53.579 I think when she's possessed later in the story, her possession stuff is fair. 53 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:54.660 Oh, yeah, yeah. 54 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.199 Her collapse at the end, however, is utterly awful. 55 00:04:58.259 --> 00:05:02.639 She gets bitten by the spider at the end of episode 3 and gently lowers herself to the ground. 56 00:05:02.699 --> 00:05:03.899 There's a moment. 57 00:05:03.899 --> 00:05:05.279 I've got it written episode four. 58 00:05:05.339 --> 00:05:06.480 Romana has collapsed awful. 59 00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:10.199 So can't remember what that was, but her possession, I think, is fantastic. 60 00:05:10.259 --> 00:05:14.279 And besides that one moment, I think, again, Lila does a great job. 61 00:05:14.339 --> 00:05:15.839 That's only spiders. 62 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:17.519 And this is her 2nd last story. 63 00:05:17.579 --> 00:05:20.459 Like because of the sequence of filming. 64 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:21.540 The distance film 4th. 65 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:28.560 Yeah, so to recap, it's gone leisure hive, state of decay, Meglos, full circle. 66 00:05:28.620 --> 00:05:44.459 So, um, yeah, state of decay as Matthew Waterhouse's 1st appearance was written far before a lot of his setup, but one thing JNT was very good at is he would write 2 or 3 page occupants giving the backgrounds of characters. 67 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:50.399 Most of the stuff would never be seen on screen, but famously we'll get to later. 68 00:05:50.459 --> 00:05:57.180 Nicola Bryant took that and wrote a 10 page character description of her own and said to John, this is where it's coming from. 69 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.939 John pretty much turned around and said, great, now put on this bikini. your character. 70 00:06:00.180 --> 00:06:02.040 Poor Nicola. 71 00:06:02.100 --> 00:06:04.500 So what do you think of the script? 72 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.839 This is my favourite story thus far this season. 73 00:06:06.899 --> 00:06:07.620 Yeah, right? 74 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.259 I think it's really of its production. 75 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:21.839 There's some rapey things we'll talk about, but in terms of all the different characters. that are going on, the performances generally. give this more than eight. 76 00:06:21.899 --> 00:06:26.699 So it's, you know, it's a solid. a solid A minus for me. 77 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:35.160 I think it's a terrifically clever script and it's political in a way that even last year wasn't as cleverly political. 78 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:47.459 I don't think it's really great that Bid Me has taken the time to foster new talent and particularly here, to get this script into a place that it is so generally so coherent and just solid. 79 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:49.019 Super clever. 80 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:55.019 So we learn very early on that there's a dark secret and that no one's allowed to know it. 81 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.980 Romana describes society as a type de- oligarchy, doesn't she? 82 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:03.180 And there's 3 people who know stuff. 83 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:11.459 Like, they know that the ship could take off and that all the activity that everyone is doing is a waste of time. 84 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:19.620 And only one of them knows that they're not really from Pteradon at all, that they evolved from the Marshmen. 85 00:07:19.740 --> 00:07:21.660 And initially, that's Dreith. 86 00:07:21.779 --> 00:07:27.120 And then we see after Dre dies, we see Nefred getting the news and reacting to it. 87 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.399 And it's this terrible dark secret. 88 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.519 And normally, you sort of think, well, that's just never gonna pay off. 89 00:07:32.579 --> 00:07:38.339 It's gonna be something really stupid, but in fact, it's something really kind of clever and important and interesting. 90 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:40.560 It pays off properly, I think. 91 00:07:40.620 --> 00:07:44.699 And something, I always struggle with the story that I never quite could get my head around. 92 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.279 Were they on the style, I know, when it crashed. 93 00:07:47.339 --> 00:07:50.759 Did they evolve from the marsh men, like from the... 94 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:52.199 Yeah, sex and that sort of thing? 95 00:07:52.259 --> 00:07:58.800 I don't know that's something that I used to criticise this script for. 96 00:07:58.860 --> 00:08:03.480 So I just kind of, every time I watch it, I always forget that that's... 97 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:13.980 Yeah, so I think the idea is that the Teradonians are killed and are replaced by the marshmen, and that they describe the gases of mistfall as being toxic. 98 00:08:13.980 --> 00:08:21.000 And later on in the script that said, oh, we say that because we want to keep people from venturing out and getting eaten. 99 00:08:21.060 --> 00:08:30.180 But I actually think probably the mistfall gases were toxic to the Teradonians who are now all dead and they've been replaced by the marshmen. 100 00:08:30.300 --> 00:08:34.080 The records in the ship say that the myths are toxic. 101 00:08:34.139 --> 00:08:36.480 So when they're in the ship, they're like, oh, the myths are toxic. 102 00:08:36.539 --> 00:08:46.379 This script does polemic versus science so much better than last week with Meglos doing religion versus science. 103 00:08:46.500 --> 00:09:04.139 And it's so interesting that last week, the scripture was written by two writers, we didn't really discuss this, but one was an experienced writer, one was a writer and actor, and they both went on to write for other shows, and one of them went on acting, appeared in Young Indiana Jones. 104 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:10.980 But this story is written by an 18 year old, with lots of guidance from Christopher Bidmade. 105 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:19.679 But perhaps because he is so young, perhaps that's why we're able to get this kind of new, very fresh idea. 106 00:09:19.740 --> 00:09:23.820 There's this thing online which is the evil overlord checklist. 107 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:31.740 And it's things like, you know, I will make sure my guards are well fed, so they won't be distracted by food being thrown to them by the prisoners. 108 00:09:31.860 --> 00:09:41.759 But one of the rules is, when I have an evil super plan, which no one can possibly find a way around, I will explain it to a five year old. 109 00:09:41.820 --> 00:09:47.639 If the five year old configuration out a way around it, I will immediately adopt a new plan. 110 00:09:47.759 --> 00:10:02.639 And it's that thing of the new ideas of children, out of the mounds of babes, because, as we get older, we become set in our ideas and ways of thinking, because we have so much experience, and we know what works for us. 111 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:10.139 And the best writers sort of have a way of looking at old ideas in a new way. 112 00:10:10.139 --> 00:10:22.139 Whereas, an inexperienced writer, and not all inexperienced writers, of course, but some inexperienced writers, would then have a new way to look at something they're really familiar with. 113 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:23.580 So he's really familiar with Doctor Who. 114 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.559 He would know what kind of stories have been done before. 115 00:10:25.620 --> 00:10:33.840 So, he could have done what Flanagan and McCulloch did, which is, Dr. and Romana, turn up and age civilisation that split in two. 116 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:36.240 Oh, he can go, what hasn't Doctor Who done before? 117 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:41.759 And his original plot line, the doctor in Nirvana land on a planet, a freighter crashes. 118 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:50.639 They help people repair the freighter, but marshmen are coming, but one of the marshmen is peaceful, and that marshmen helps them, then sacrifices itself and the freighter gets away. 119 00:10:50.700 --> 00:10:57.360 And already in there, you've got the germ, the idea of evolution, that all of the marshmen are aggressive except for this one, this one. 120 00:10:57.659 --> 00:11:00.000 There's no central villain, is there? 121 00:11:00.059 --> 00:11:00.840 No. 122 00:11:00.899 --> 00:11:05.100 So, but I think that the, I think that the villains are the deciders. 123 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:10.139 At the very beginning, they seem like the headmaster of a school or something. 124 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:13.620 You know, they know everyone by name, you know, decided Dreith. 125 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.019 He's kind of famous and known to people. 126 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.600 But everyone seems to know everyone. 127 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:29.759 And so it seems like a sort of rather benevolent sort of system where you've got these nice old men who everyone sort of seems to like who care about people and know them by name. 128 00:11:29.820 --> 00:11:45.419 But what they've done is they have, by controlling access to knowledge, they've completely frozen this society in absolute stasis, to the point, where there's no prospect that they'll ever leave. 129 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:51.299 You know, they harbour the knowledge that they don't know how to operate the ship, even though it would work now. 130 00:11:51.419 --> 00:11:56.580 So they've completely put a stop to the society developing in any way at all. 131 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.000 And there's something cynical about them as well. 132 00:12:00.059 --> 00:12:04.620 The thing that makes me suspicious of the deciders is decide a Logan. 133 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:09.659 So, Logan's daughter, Chiara is one of the outlers. 134 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:15.659 When Mistfall comes, she's locked out of the starliner, and Logan's originally distressed by that. 135 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:22.860 But then he's given the offer to become a decider and he just says, oh, yes, she was a disruptive influence. 136 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:29.700 And that's exactly the sort of thing that like a malevolent totalitarian ruler calls someone. 137 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:34.679 And so he cynically betrays his daughter in order to become a decider. 138 00:12:34.860 --> 00:12:41.759 But then what happens is the designers themselves feel compelled to keep the knowledge secret. 139 00:12:41.820 --> 00:12:44.279 Nifred's not allowed to tell anyone anything. 140 00:12:44.340 --> 00:12:47.340 The other deciders aren't allowed to tell anyone anything either. 141 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:51.539 But they start to feel, like, the pressure of that. 142 00:12:51.899 --> 00:13:00.659 They're worried by that, which is why both Dreith and Nefred support Dexet are investigating 'cause he's going to find out the truth. 143 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:08.940 Like, you know, if the doctor finds out the truth, based on Dexeter's work with the marsh child, Nifred kind of spills the beans when he's going to die. 144 00:13:08.940 --> 00:13:23.759 Logan sees that the stasis that they've put their society in, has made them vulnerable to the marshmen that can adapt, that can improve, that can progress, and he's kind of horrified by what they've done. 145 00:13:23.820 --> 00:13:33.000 So I think that every bit as much as the three who rule are next week, villains who keep their society in stasis, the deciders are too. 146 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:43.679 But in this case, they are reflecting and ultimately going to change. which I think is very different from a lot of Doctor Who. 147 00:13:43.740 --> 00:13:45.960 I just need to go back to the plot point. 148 00:13:46.019 --> 00:13:48.480 So the guys doing the repair on the spaceship. 149 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:50.279 They've evolved from what? 150 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:51.480 The marshman. 151 00:13:51.539 --> 00:14:04.080 But the marshmen... are still evolving, like, this is, okay, I'm sorry, I'm like, surely if they've evolved, why would these other marshmen suddenly appear that aren't as evolved as them? 152 00:14:04.139 --> 00:14:06.720 Surely the whole society is one would have evolved as one. 153 00:14:06.779 --> 00:14:09.720 See, evolution here works differently. 154 00:14:09.779 --> 00:14:12.120 It's science fiction evolution. 155 00:14:12.179 --> 00:14:15.539 And, of course, we are in a different universe with slightly different physical laws. 156 00:14:15.659 --> 00:14:20.460 So you have the spiders, you have the marshmen, and you have, let's call them, the pteradonians. 157 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.659 So, the spiders will always evolve into the marshman. 158 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:30.659 The marshmen will then evolve into the Terridonians, and their new spiders will start, and those spiders eventually will evolve into marshmen. 159 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.659 And those new marshmen will eventually evolve into Terridonians. 160 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:50.580 So, we have this thing where they've been there for 40,000 generations, or it's quite possible that, eventually, the marshmen kill the Teridonians, and then become the Teridonians, only to be killed by another lot of marshmen. 161 00:14:50.700 --> 00:14:52.559 Maybe that's happened a bunch of times already. 162 00:14:52.620 --> 00:14:52.860 Exactly. 163 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:53.820 Thank you. 164 00:14:53.879 --> 00:15:09.720 That's what that's the question I was asking, because it's 40,000 years, and I'm going, but Shawnee, there'd be some, they don't seem to have any sort of, all that technology is just in the ship. where do they make the new components, you know, that are going to keep this alive? 165 00:15:09.779 --> 00:15:10.799 Why is this not? 166 00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:15.360 Those little aspects of things that have confused me over the years. 167 00:15:15.419 --> 00:15:20.399 But the society is in complete stasis and they have a goal that they're working towards. 168 00:15:20.460 --> 00:15:23.879 But the deciders know that that's futile. 169 00:15:23.940 --> 00:15:28.320 And so they don't do anything else and they're out evolved by the marsh creatures. 170 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:32.220 I guess that comes down to something as a kid. 171 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:34.259 Who's the one that gets dragged into the swamp? 172 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:35.820 decided Drake. 173 00:15:35.820 --> 00:15:42.960 So, I thought decided Drake got dragged into the swamp and then he got transformed into the young mask child, like that's who he became. 174 00:15:43.019 --> 00:15:56.759 Like, I don't know why, but that's how, so he was new to all the, the marsh men sort of, like the rest of them are aggressive, but he's, he's this amalgamation of a different society and so he's more, he doesn't understand where he gets in. 175 00:15:56.820 --> 00:15:57.600 I like that idea. 176 00:15:57.659 --> 00:15:58.679 I really do. 177 00:15:58.740 --> 00:16:05.700 I mean, even even without that idea that, you know, the marsh child being the sort of peaceful one, that's a sign that they're they're evolving. 178 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.539 Although it's them weird if they kill all the Teradonians and take their ship. 179 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:13.740 So they just live underneath the lake, in the mud or whatever. 180 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.320 Yeah, I think a new population comes up every 50 years. 181 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.059 They lock themselves away. 182 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:28.679 They made or whatever, and then when the gases go, then they go back down if they haven't killed off the residents or if they haven't evolved enough to look like the people in the ship. 183 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:35.940 It's really clever because it is, I mean, it's all like a political allegory, really, or, you know. 184 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.320 And that's really clever. 185 00:16:37.379 --> 00:16:39.059 And thank you for explaining all of that to me. 186 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.700 That is the 1st time I've actually understood that, ever, people. 187 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:46.980 So, um, Can I talk about something that I don't understand in this story? 188 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:56.100 We have that wonderful bit of confusion in episode one, where they switch on the scanner and the scanner shows galafray, but then they step outside and it's Black Park, where I've been to. 189 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.080 So action figure photos will be on the website. 190 00:16:58.139 --> 00:17:11.700 Actually, it seemed like full circle was being reenacted when I went there with friend of the podcast, Simon Hart, and there are all these men in swimming costumes in their early 20s, jumping around and swimming in the lake being filmed. were they splashing each other? 191 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:12.720 They were splashing each other. 192 00:17:12.779 --> 00:17:17.220 They were being filmed for some form of TV show and we said, we must find out what that TV we never did. 193 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:18.480 Anyway. 194 00:17:18.539 --> 00:17:28.559 So they land, they see Gallifrey on the screen, but it's not Gallifrey outside, and that's explained that because the Tarnus has this image translator, which translates the coordinates, into images. 195 00:17:31.619 --> 00:17:36.779 Could we not just have a camera that will actually show you what's happening outside? 196 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:49.140 Because that's like, instead of, I'm going to look out the window and see what's happening on the street outside, that's like saying, I'm going to check Google Earth and see what's happening on the street outside. because that's got the coordinate. 197 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:56.039 You know, it introduces the idea of negative coordinates in a very in a very understandable way without just being word peril. 198 00:17:56.099 --> 00:18:00.960 But at the same, it doesn't stand up to any form of group whatsoever. 199 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:10.619 I was always a bit of a nerd about eSpace, and I just assumed that bits of eSpace had sort of corresponding parts. 200 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:16.980 And so the Gallifrey and Alzarius are actually in the same place, but one's in e-space and one's in end space. 201 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:20.220 And so the image translator is just looking out of the window. 202 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:21.000 It is a camera. 203 00:18:21.059 --> 00:18:27.480 We later see an image translator in Dexeter's microscope, which is where they get the eSpace one. 204 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:28.079 Yeah. 205 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:31.680 So the end space one can only see what's here in end space. 206 00:18:31.740 --> 00:18:33.660 So it's not quite Google for you. 207 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:40.920 And then and then negative coordinates never really made any sense because if space is infinite, then they can't be Cartesian coordinates, can they? 208 00:18:40.980 --> 00:18:46.680 Because otherwise the universe would have a corner in it, you know. that you couldn't go beyond. 209 00:18:46.740 --> 00:18:52.019 So maybe they're polar coordinates and it's kind of like the radial coordinates negative or something. 210 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:53.099 Who knows? 211 00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:54.119 My brain hurts. 212 00:18:54.180 --> 00:18:55.440 Yeah, so does mine. 213 00:18:55.920 --> 00:19:00.000 I always think the moment we have normal space and then eSpace. 214 00:19:00.059 --> 00:19:05.039 I always thought eSpace is this little thing at the side of in space and you had the... 215 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:06.720 It's like a bubble clinging onto another bubble. 216 00:19:06.779 --> 00:19:09.420 That's correct. putting too much air in a balloon. 217 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:16.619 So again, for me, the universe is shrinking. because you can have this finite in space and the finite e-space. 218 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:18.660 You know where I think that might come from? 219 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:24.839 At least where that impression comes from, for me, because does the doctor refer to eSpace as being smaller on screen? 220 00:19:24.900 --> 00:19:25.440 Yeah. 221 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:26.279 Oh, okay, he does. 222 00:19:26.339 --> 00:19:26.940 Fair enough. 223 00:19:27.059 --> 00:19:31.920 Because the BBV audios with canine and the mistress, of course, were adventures in a pocket universe. 224 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:33.299 Okay. 225 00:19:33.299 --> 00:19:36.420 And I remember wanting those as a kid. 226 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:39.180 I never got them and I'm not sure I really care now. 227 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:44.160 Because we had proper Romana and canine stuff. on Gallifrey with Leila. 228 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:44.640 Okay. 229 00:19:44.700 --> 00:19:51.660 Getting away from Andrew and the Plos and everything like that. and all the CVE stuff, which is obviously from our good script editor friend. 230 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:52.859 The director. 231 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:54.599 Hit a grimwade. 232 00:19:54.660 --> 00:19:57.240 This is his 1st time directing Doctor Who. 233 00:19:57.299 --> 00:20:01.980 And lots of location work all out in the park. 234 00:20:02.579 --> 00:20:04.319 And there's so many extras. 235 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:10.079 Like, amazing, with all the mist coming in and all that sort of stuff. 236 00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:13.319 I do heaven help you if you don't like river fruit. 237 00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:15.059 It's all everything you can eat. 238 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:16.500 That's all you can eat. 239 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:17.940 Can I say something? 240 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:21.539 The swimming with those guys in the lake. 241 00:20:21.660 --> 00:20:24.000 And it's being costumes, which... 242 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:25.440 They're transparent. 243 00:20:25.500 --> 00:20:26.819 They're transparent. 244 00:20:28.019 --> 00:20:32.220 They got this through, the census, like nobody picked this up. 245 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:35.460 Like they're not only skimpy, but they're actually see-through. 246 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:36.900 It's really incredible. 247 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:44.819 I mean, Peter Grimwade has an obvious sort of reason for wanting to include images of that in his show. 248 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:45.660 Yes. 249 00:20:45.660 --> 00:20:52.200 And Rod is about the same age as Matthew Waterhouse and so had a crush on Adrick in the early 80s. 250 00:20:52.259 --> 00:20:55.680 And when we were rewatching this, I've got in my notes here. 251 00:20:55.740 --> 00:20:59.700 Matthew Waterhouse can't swim, but for some reason I don't care. 252 00:21:00.420 --> 00:21:03.599 And that's just as the camera switches to his ass. 253 00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:05.099 He can't swim. 254 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:05.940 No. 255 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.500 Whatever. 256 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:09.900 Well, well, he spins in a very special way. 257 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.779 He can't walk either, to be honest. 258 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:14.819 I mean he walks in a very special way as well. 259 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:16.380 Decided. 260 00:21:16.380 --> 00:21:20.460 I guess we need, since we've brought it up, we may as well start to talk about. 261 00:21:20.579 --> 00:21:26.579 I did want to just say briefly that I thought that the location stuff is spectacularly good. 262 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:27.059 It is. 263 00:21:27.059 --> 00:21:34.440 And it is the 1st location, the 1st you know, we had the leisure hive the other day, but it's the 1st proper location work since Paris, really, isn't it? 264 00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:34.859 Yeah. 265 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:40.079 And it's lit with gels that make it seem, you know, brighter and a bit alien. 266 00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:44.640 They've constructed little dwellings and piles of things and stuff like they've dressed the set. 267 00:21:44.819 --> 00:21:46.920 They painted some of the plants. 268 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:47.880 Yeah, yeah. 269 00:21:47.940 --> 00:21:49.200 Yeah, with a wash off paint. 270 00:21:49.259 --> 00:21:52.319 So it's really, really good and really refreshing. 271 00:21:52.380 --> 00:21:53.519 It makes such a nice change. 272 00:21:53.579 --> 00:21:55.019 It's really well done. 273 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:56.819 Look, I completely agree with you. 274 00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:58.380 You know, the marsh men. 275 00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:00.000 What do you think of them coming out of the wall? 276 00:22:00.059 --> 00:22:02.339 I actually don't think that's as effective as it could be. 277 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:07.740 And it's clearly people remember the sea devils and that's not particularly effective either. 278 00:22:07.859 --> 00:22:08.880 That looks ridiculous too. 279 00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:15.539 We eventually get it right, probably in Curse of Fenrik, where the things coming out of the water look quite good, but this doesn't look that great. 280 00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:16.799 The mist is sort of good. 281 00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:18.119 There's a bit of slow-mo and stuff. 282 00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:22.559 I'm not, I don't think that the Marshman costumes really work all that well. 283 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.099 And they do have, like, gloves and cuffs on them and things. 284 00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:28.079 Like, they're not terrifically good. 285 00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:29.220 They're not that terrible. 286 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:31.200 They're passable. 287 00:22:31.259 --> 00:22:32.759 K9's working quite well. 288 00:22:32.819 --> 00:22:35.339 Isn't he on the outdoor stuff? 289 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:36.660 Yeah, it's trending a lot right. 290 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:39.000 Well, although apparently you can see the wire at one point. 291 00:22:39.059 --> 00:22:42.720 And of course, we have Patty Kingsland on solo duty for the 1st time. 292 00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:47.640 He and Peter Howe shared the last story. and he's got his wonderful canine theme. 293 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:48.359 Yeah. 294 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:53.819 And it gets a theme as well. 295 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:56.579 Yeah, yeah, which... 296 00:22:56.579 --> 00:23:00.839 I can't even... 297 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:02.519 They play it in Earth Rock when he dies. 298 00:23:02.579 --> 00:23:04.079 Just watched Earth, Shocks him. 299 00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:05.160 So bad. 300 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:08.039 But yeah, Patty's doing a great job here. 301 00:23:08.099 --> 00:23:08.819 Like there's... 302 00:23:08.819 --> 00:23:10.619 It's really weird. 303 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:22.200 There was a superfluity of inappropriate guitar Wawa music and television at this point, like the theme for the new Avengers and space 1999 season two. 304 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:25.559 Patty Kingsland really makes it work. 305 00:23:25.619 --> 00:23:31.380 Like he underscores the action scenes with this sort of synth guitar Wawa sound. 306 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.240 But it sounds great. 307 00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:34.980 I love the soundtrack to this story. 308 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:41.039 He does the music that the book talks over in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series too. 309 00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:42.900 And it's really good. 310 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:44.700 It's really witty music. 311 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:46.079 He's terrific. 312 00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:47.339 He's tremendous. 313 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:56.279 Like, um, Peter Howe, his incidental music is just something that, you know, 1981 to 1984 or whatever. 314 00:23:56.339 --> 00:23:58.980 It just is the early 80s. 315 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:00.779 Yeah, but it's good. 316 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:01.680 Like, it's not dated. 317 00:24:01.740 --> 00:24:03.180 No, at all. 318 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:04.859 So Matthew Waterhouse. 319 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.799 Yeah, so let's come back to Matthew Wadhouse. circling around him. 320 00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:10.500 Todd is doing a double-faced palm, dear listener. 321 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.480 I just don't understand. 322 00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:15.539 Barry Letts is in on the casting, right? 323 00:24:15.539 --> 00:24:16.079 of this. 324 00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:18.539 We've got, who plays Marsh in this story? 325 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:23.579 Richard Willis. who played Simon Gibbs Kemp, didn't he play, he was Seth? 326 00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:25.019 Seth, whom you enjoy? 327 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:26.819 Yeah, he was good. 328 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:27.599 And both of them. 329 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.839 Both of those two actors are very natural. 330 00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:33.299 Maybe because they're slightly older. 331 00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:34.680 Maybe they're 22, 23. 332 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:35.880 Maybe they've got a bit of life experience. 333 00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:37.079 Matthew is very young. 334 00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:37.799 He's only 18. 335 00:24:37.980 --> 00:24:38.880 Right? 336 00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:42.539 Compared to a lot of other Doctor Who actors, like companions. 337 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:43.980 Everybody else tends to be like 2021. 338 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.259 And there is a big difference between 18 and that. 339 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:52.200 I mean, Sarah Sutton is going to be the same age, but she's done a lot of acting before. 340 00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:58.440 It just puzzles me as to, as to why his body is so awkward in his movements. 341 00:24:58.440 --> 00:24:59.640 Yeah. 342 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.500 I think that's okay. 343 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.180 He's supposed to be a teenager and stuff. 344 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.460 It's just whenever he tries to express emotion. 345 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:07.079 When he's happy, he's all right. 346 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:07.920 He's tolerable. 347 00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:13.019 When he emotes, he's just terrible. 348 00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:17.279 You know, he comes into the TARTAS and faints, it's just like a giant embarrassment. 349 00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:18.299 That is... 350 00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:21.660 I mean, but getting the character to faint as well, doesn't it? 351 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.220 Do anything for the character? 352 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:23.880 Yeah, yeah. 353 00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:28.019 I will say this, and I'm foreshouting a lot of things to come. 354 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:45.599 I think I think Matthew does get better in this season and I think with Tom in the last 2 stories, I think they are his best performances as opposed to the following season where I think the character is written like really badly and he's not growing as an actor. 355 00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:47.700 Like so many other doctor who actors come into this show. 356 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:53.579 And they might be a bit ropey in their 1st episodes, but then you see a growth in what they're doing and that sort of thing. 357 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:58.440 And I don't, and I think that's something... that I don't see here. 358 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:01.740 And we've been we've been talking about that with Lala. 359 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:06.000 And Lala started off far stronger than Matthew Waterhouse has started off. 360 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:14.519 But Lala has gone from strength to strength and she's having these real emotional moments and, you know, in her, in her last story coming up in a couple of weeks. 361 00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:18.420 She's going to put in a cracker of her performance. 362 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:27.900 I think I'm possibly a little more forgiving of Matthew Waterhouse than you guys, possibly because when I first started watching Doctor, obviously, I was much younger than Adrik. 363 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.839 But Adrick as a character was the closest to my own age. 364 00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:31.559 Yeah. 365 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:37.140 So I think maybe they're not addressing the younger audience as much. 366 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:45.900 I think this was their effort to try and do that, but Stephen Moffatt, I think, says it best on the making of Earthshock, we hate boy geniuses. 367 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:46.500 Yeah. 368 00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:49.799 I think simply because they're not terribly realistic characters. 369 00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:55.859 Like if you look at the other boy genius in sci-fi, that people pull up is Wesley Crusher in Star Trek the Next Generation. 370 00:26:55.980 --> 00:27:16.079 Now, if you look at Wesley Crusher in the 3rd season of Star Trek, Next Generation, when they allow him to do things like accidentally sleep in and have romances, you know, he's still awkward, and, you know, socially not great, but he's so much better than in the 1st season, when he'll come onto the bridge and say, I found a problem, and then someone on the senses will say, he's right. 371 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.059 Will Wheaton grows as an actor. 372 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.140 That's true as well. 373 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:23.099 Yeah, and he's not, he's not never anywhere near as poor as Murphy Waterhouse. 374 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.279 I mean, it's a character that's a problem, but it improves. 375 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.420 I mean, I think I've come across as being too harsh. 376 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.980 I pick up on his deficiencies as an actor in certain things. 377 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:40.680 His trip is actually quite good in this story when he trips over compared to what happens in the visitation, right? 378 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:42.900 for years in events. 379 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:57.480 But the whole concept of having like the Dr. Romana and a younger male companion, which I think is very much, for me, taken like we've seen it happen in the horns of 91, and I actually think it worked quite well there, but the younger acted there could actually, you know, was energetic and could really act. 380 00:27:57.539 --> 00:27:59.819 A lot of people just hate Adric. 381 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.019 I just want to say that I don't. 382 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:02.400 Yeah, I don't. 383 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:18.599 I don't hate the character and I thought the scene where he's trying to prove himself to the outlers, you know, it's a very children's TV scene, but it's a good scene and, you know, like he's smarter than them because he's mathematical, but he's also actually properly smarter than them. 384 00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:22.799 Like he would be an asset to the group and they make him prove it and all of that. 385 00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:24.119 I think all of that's quite good. 386 00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:38.220 I don't think it's a terrible character, but this is the beginning of the 1980s companions, and I don't think it's a really happy succession of people. 387 00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:44.220 And it makes me a bit sad because I really like the doctor in Romana. 388 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:50.640 We will get to see them together by themselves next in next week's story, because they don't know that Adrick's there. 389 00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:54.720 But from here on in, it's all just a bit of a nightmare, really. 390 00:28:54.779 --> 00:29:02.640 Yeah, the '80s companions, they tend to have, like, a short sentence character quirk. 391 00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:03.240 Yeah. 392 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:04.079 A hook sort of thing. 393 00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:04.619 Yeah. 394 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.839 So Adrik is the mathematical genius. 395 00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:07.380 Yeah. 396 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:08.700 Yeah, that's him. 397 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:10.680 And we get that in his face. 398 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:14.220 This is someone who knows very little about telebiogenesis, for instance. 399 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.619 Tegans mouth on links. 400 00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:17.819 Tegans mouth on links. 401 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:18.599 But that's the thing. 402 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:23.460 In Adrik's 1st scene, we get, and you know, I challenge any actor to make this line work. 403 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.880 That's for mathematical excellence. 404 00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:38.759 You know, it's, it's, um, as you well know, kind of thing. at some point where he says, I think I've pulled the wrong lever, but in fact, he's flicked the wrong switch. 405 00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:49.500 Yeah, and I think that's just an actor's inexperience of, yeah, according to all reports, Peter Grimm Wade, while not a difficult person to get on with, like Alan Bromley was, was a very strict director. 406 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.839 So it wouldn't surprise me if Matthew Waterhouse. 407 00:29:51.900 --> 00:30:00.720 Because, of course, when Matthew Waterhouse 1st came on set, he bounded up to Tom Baker and said how happy he was to be working with him, and Tom said something to him, that ended in off. 408 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.779 How would you be as an 18 year old to encounter that? 409 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:04.980 Have you read the book? 410 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:05.640 Yeah, I have. 411 00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:08.940 That's Blue Box Boy, dear listeners. 412 00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:10.319 Yeah, I think of the week. 413 00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:24.180 I think it's a great book and I think personally, you know, I think I think Mecu comes across really as a nice guy and very quite insightful and realising that at that time he was that young. 414 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:28.140 I certainly couldn't have acted like that. 415 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.220 I look at myself at 18 and the difference between me and 18 and 22 was immense. 416 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.599 He remembered watching Tom, like, from robot onwards. 417 00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:38.279 And so Tom was his hero. 418 00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:44.220 And so, you know, like Tom was really horrible to him and Lala was really horrible to him. 419 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:47.819 And, you know, like the story is really, really interesting. 420 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:53.640 And when Matthew came, he came to something, a day event, a convention or something. 421 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.079 I saw him interview. 422 00:30:55.140 --> 00:30:57.240 Yeah, lots of time, year before last, I think. 423 00:30:57.299 --> 00:30:58.680 He's smart. 424 00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:01.259 Like Matthew Waterhouse is smart. 425 00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:04.019 He's not he's not a fool at all. 426 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.960 You know, like, I was really impressed by him, and I was impressed by the book. 427 00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:13.500 So, you know, he's got a lot going for him, but he's terrible in Doctor Who. shockingly bad. 428 00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.740 I think having the wig doesn't help. the wig doesn't help. 429 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.720 Having a costume, right? 430 00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:24.480 Which, of course, John Nathan Turner is this thing about costumes and I think it takes away from people being real characters. 431 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:29.940 And that's not affecting our, I don't think it affects us at this point, but it's certainly going to... 432 00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:30.960 It's the 1st one, isn't it? 433 00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:31.680 The 1st one. 434 00:31:31.740 --> 00:31:34.259 And so we're not aware of these changes that he wants to make. 435 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:39.119 I think the impact is going to be much felt next year as opposed to this year. 436 00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:47.220 Apparently, he tried to pull the whole one regular costume in every story on Lala, and she just wasn't having it. 437 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:54.539 Well, I mean, it's obvious, you know, she's still got in her contract, her, you know, her budget for her, her frocks everywhere. 438 00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:55.319 Quite right, too. 439 00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:57.599 It's a carryover from the 1970s. 440 00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:04.440 But I think the thing is, too, that sometimes I think Matthew does a good job. 441 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:12.599 And then in the next, well, I know you're playing it back, but there's scenes where I think he is quite good, and then he'll do something that's awful. 442 00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:18.599 And then when he's around people, like if he's around Tom and Larder, I think he actually does lift to them. 443 00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:25.319 But when there's other guest actors in the show that are very good, it shows up how inexperienced he is. 444 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.460 And Vash is the obvious example, which is a brother. 445 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.259 Um, you know what? 446 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.000 I wish we had Vosch instead. 447 00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:36.119 Simply because Vash... 448 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:49.559 Vash is just a more interesting character, even we've put performance to one side, because, as I say, I'm, you know, I'm actually a fan of Adric, even when he's, even when Matthew Waterhouse's performance isn't good, I can see what he's trying to do. 449 00:32:49.559 --> 00:33:06.180 So, imagine if Adric had died in Vash's place, and Vash was already a very angry young man, who better to go with the doctor, and then an angry young man who, over time, his character development would be the softening of that, and he wouldn't want smash up the universe anymore, and he'd make peace with it. 450 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.539 And then, at the end, he'd sacrifice himself for a whole planet. 451 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.539 But don't you think that that's what they wanted from Adric? 452 00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.240 I mean, the Adric has, you know, he's lost his brother. 453 00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:21.960 He has been outcast from society, you know, even, like everyone's scorning him. 454 00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:23.039 Like, he could have been there. 455 00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:27.480 Yeah, but unfortunately, and I blame the writers for this. 456 00:33:27.539 --> 00:33:28.980 Yeah, it just doesn't come across. 457 00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:33.599 You know, there's one reference to it in state of decay and one reference to it in time flight. 458 00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:36.359 But that's pretty much it. 459 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:41.400 And I think the production team expected Matthew to bring that to the performance, but nobody told Matthew. 460 00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:45.720 And again, you know, he's not going to go around questioning people and questioning things. 461 00:33:45.779 --> 00:33:48.420 Richard Willis is so good. 462 00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:48.779 He is good. 463 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:54.599 He's too tall to be the companion, the my companion who's playing a child. 464 00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:56.220 I think that's actually the problem. 465 00:33:56.339 --> 00:33:57.900 Well, he is a few years older. 466 00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.880 You know, he is about 21, 22. 467 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:00.839 Too tall. 468 00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:02.099 He's too tall. 469 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:04.920 And his butt does go on trial in episode three. 470 00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:05.880 I'd just like to tell you that. 471 00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:07.200 Really? 472 00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:10.199 Well, they had the trial and it's the butt shot. 473 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.559 Once you see it, you can't unsee it people. 474 00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:15.179 Probably don't want to unsee it. 475 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.239 What was that you said before we started recording, Nathan? 476 00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:19.440 I can't remember. 477 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.480 Gayest Doctor Who story. really? 478 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.179 So we have Peter Grimwave is gay. 479 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.579 We have Alan Rowe, who's gay. 480 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.260 We have James Brie, who's gay. 481 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.179 We have Matthew Waterhouse, who's gay. 482 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:33.900 Richard Willis Vash is surprisingly not. 483 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:34.619 Right. 484 00:34:34.619 --> 00:34:37.500 Maybe that was wishful thinking. 485 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:41.639 No, he's been married since 1960 something. 486 00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:42.599 Tylos? 487 00:34:42.659 --> 00:34:43.739 Tylos? 488 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.440 He's terribly camped on the DVD extras. 489 00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:49.139 I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure Burton pattern is gay. 490 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:49.679 Oh my goodness. 491 00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:51.960 Richard Willis played Vash and Doctor Who Full Circle. 492 00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:54.239 He's the ex-husband of Kate and Mara. 493 00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:56.039 And June Page. 494 00:34:56.099 --> 00:34:57.119 What the What? 495 00:34:57.179 --> 00:34:57.659 What? 496 00:34:57.719 --> 00:34:58.980 Well, you know what? 497 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:00.960 He went on to marry Kate O'Mara. 498 00:35:01.019 --> 00:35:04.260 I don't think you could be any stranger than being married to Cato Maro. 499 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:04.920 I know, frankly. 500 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.280 Peter Allen married Liza Minnelli. 501 00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:09.059 This is very true. 502 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:20.460 So So his ex-husband of June Page, who played... 503 00:35:20.820 --> 00:35:22.139 And they got married, Keanu, right? 504 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:22.980 Okay, well, that's nice. 505 00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:24.780 She's quite, I think she's quite good. think she's good. 506 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:25.800 Yeah, she's very natural. 507 00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:29.039 She's like Janetellis last year. 508 00:35:29.099 --> 00:35:30.780 Yeah, yeah, you know, Tika. 509 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.219 I mean, Tika was a bit more annoying, theatrical. 510 00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:38.639 You know, she was very projecting. 511 00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:43.559 But at the same time, she was projecting because she had this unshakeable faith in Seth. 512 00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:49.440 You know, so it was realism contextually in this very unrealistic story. 513 00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:53.940 Whereas Kira is far more realistic, if you like. 514 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:54.900 And it's good. 515 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.480 And then we've got Bernard Pattern or... 516 00:35:57.539 --> 00:35:58.559 Isn't he the bug-eyed one? 517 00:35:58.619 --> 00:35:58.980 Yes. 518 00:35:59.039 --> 00:35:59.280 Yes. 519 00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:02.219 I think it's so sad how he gets killed. 520 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:03.840 I think that's really kind of terrible. 521 00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:10.800 I think they should have kept some of the crummy extras from, you know, before they all scarpered back to the starliner and had them killed. 522 00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:12.659 I think it's sad that they killed Tylos. 523 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:17.400 A really bad crummy extra who is holding back Kira in part three. 524 00:36:17.460 --> 00:36:18.059 Look out for that. 525 00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:19.559 It's just terrible. 526 00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:20.280 Terrible. 527 00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:26.820 Poor old Tylos has an aged well if you watch the documentary. 528 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:28.199 He seems funny though. 529 00:36:28.260 --> 00:36:29.460 I liked him a lot. 530 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.159 In the documentary he's worth, he's good. 531 00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:34.380 Looks like some bald parrot. 532 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:35.820 The dobby doctor. 533 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.300 Whereas Matthew Waterhouse was aged very well. 534 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:40.860 Very distinguished. 535 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:41.519 He has. 536 00:36:41.579 --> 00:36:44.460 Look, I think a lot of the, like George Baker is Logan. 537 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:45.360 What has he done? 538 00:36:45.420 --> 00:36:46.139 He's been in other things. 539 00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:47.400 Oh, everything. 540 00:36:47.579 --> 00:36:52.800 He's been in Honour Majesty's Secret Service, and you can download the commentary for that from bondfinger.com. 541 00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:54.179 Is Hillary Bray? 542 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.460 He's Hillary Bray, and is he in another bond? 543 00:36:57.059 --> 00:37:03.000 He's like Inspector Wexford or something incredibly famous and will look like dunderheads if we don't mention it. 544 00:37:03.059 --> 00:37:04.920 Yeah, no, he's terrifically famous for that. 545 00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.480 His TV is George Baker. 546 00:37:06.539 --> 00:37:09.360 He also plays Tiberius in I Claudius. 547 00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:12.300 And he died in 2011. 548 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:16.559 And of course, James Bre has been in the show and will be in it again. 549 00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:19.139 Yeah, I think he doesn't he doesn't... 550 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:19.739 Yeah, good job. 551 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.500 I think I like all. normally terrible, isn't he? 552 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.000 So this is probably his best performance. 553 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:30.599 Yeah, I think so as well, because he, the scenes where he's the decider, and he's on. very pompous. 554 00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:33.059 And that scene where he discovers the secret. 555 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:34.860 Yeah, no, he does proper act. 556 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:39.539 Yeah, he does proper acting and he gets he gets the big reveal line. 557 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.719 Like we were talking about Pangle's big reveal line a couple of years ago. 558 00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:44.039 He gets the big reveal live. 559 00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:47.039 We can never return to Teraden because we have never been there. 560 00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:51.360 Whereas Richard and I can't return to Teraden because of something we did with a marshman and pinball. 561 00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:54.659 Yeah, I like all of all of the deciders. 562 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:55.619 Dexeter. 563 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.239 Gareth, which is the one that... 564 00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.360 Gareth is Alan Rowe. from Skin Sale. 565 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:01.380 Dr. Evan. 566 00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:02.760 I could never remember his name. 567 00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:05.699 Mentally to me, he was decider skin sale the entire time. 568 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:10.860 But I also really like Norman Bacon, who plays the Marshchild. 569 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:11.880 Yeah, yeah. 570 00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:15.599 I think part of the reason the marshmen are so successful, and I agree. 571 00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:16.860 You can see seams and whatnot. 572 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:18.960 A bit like, but a bit like the draconians. 573 00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:19.739 You've got the eye. 574 00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:26.820 And you can see the eye, and that's where the performance comes through, especially in the marsh child, and that beautiful scene where he's trying to get through the screen. 575 00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:28.199 It's so heartbreaking. 576 00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:33.900 It's all because he trusts his doctor, which is, you know, Dylan and Keanu. 577 00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:35.159 You need to watch out. 578 00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:40.619 Yeah, he puts his hand through the screen with Tom's face on it and gets electrocuted. 579 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.360 It's a great performance, isn't it? 580 00:38:42.420 --> 00:38:43.619 And the sound is really good. 581 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.820 And putting Tom up against a child is a no-brainer. 582 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:54.300 Like, why has it never been done before in all this time because he behaves the way that Tom behaved with a child. 583 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:59.519 He was charming and sweet and funny and, you know, it should have just happened all the time. 584 00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:00.840 It's so heartbreaking. 585 00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:02.760 Yeah, whole thing. it really is. 586 00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:05.519 And Tom's performance really sells it as well. 587 00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:08.760 And his outrage at Dexteter. 588 00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:10.019 Yeah, it's wonderful. 589 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:17.820 And Tom himself was in an interesting place personally at this point because he and Lala were getting back together. 590 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:28.079 He'd recovered from the pretty much he'd been ill the whole season up till this and we'll see next week, which was filmed previously, that he had to get his hair permed because it uncurled. 591 00:39:28.139 --> 00:39:29.639 He was so unwell. 592 00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:30.420 He was so unwell. 593 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.219 And it's never been confirmed what it was. 594 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.900 Some people say it was some liver damage from excessive alcohol. 595 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.760 And I think we can say that. 596 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.019 That's plausible. 597 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:40.559 Yeah. 598 00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:44.699 So, yeah, Tom is in the position where he's recovering from an illness. 599 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:50.159 He and Laura are back on together, but as we know, it wasn't going to last forever. 600 00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:53.820 And also, it was during the production of this story that he decided to leave. 601 00:39:54.119 --> 00:40:01.679 And so I think there's 2 ways you can look at it, that he's putting in a really good performance because he knows he's going to be done soon. 602 00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:14.880 Or there's a certain relief, because the things that were going wrong for him, because he started off with a really good working relationship with John Nathan Turner, which deteriorated because Tom could sort of get what he wanted out of Graham Williams. 603 00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:20.159 Whereas John Nathan Turner would just put his foot down and say, No, we're doing, we need to modernise the program. 604 00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:21.960 We're doing it this way, and Tom didn't like that. 605 00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:29.340 And Tom says in interviews now, you know, I was insufferable and I couldn't see beyond me because I'd done it for 7 years. 606 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.940 So it's either that or it's the relief. 607 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.099 It's knowing that, you know what? 608 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.619 I'm going to be out of this situation soon. 609 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:38.940 I've just recovered from being ill. 610 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:41.760 I have the person I love back in my life. 611 00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:46.559 And as much as I'm sad to be going, I don't have to worry about it anymore. 612 00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:55.139 I think leaving a job freeze you up, and I think I think that's evident, and I think with Lara as well in her final performances. 613 00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:56.340 Let's have to say this. 614 00:40:56.460 --> 00:41:01.500 I don't dislike Tom's costume in this story. 615 00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.380 I'm not in love with it, but I don't dislike it. 616 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.079 So is this a continuing tale? 617 00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:09.539 Are you going to be in love with it by Lagopolis? 618 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.039 We shall see. 619 00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:13.320 I really like the tortoiseshell waistcoat. 620 00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:17.699 In fact, I like the costume when he's not wearing the scarf with it and perhaps when he's not wearing the jacket. 621 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:21.300 I find that really weird seeing him not wear the scarf in these stories. 622 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:22.260 His neck is so long. 623 00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:24.539 It's like he hasn't had that before. 624 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.460 Yeah, it's just very off-putting. 625 00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:31.440 Yeah, I think it's also that whatever illness he had, he lost a lot of weight. 626 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:33.659 That's kind of craggy looking. 627 00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.300 Yeah, that's why people think it may have been his liver. 628 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:40.380 But, you know, whatever it was, that's part of what has aged him. 629 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.860 Not everything in the story is fantastic. 630 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:48.960 Like, I mean, I think there's some pathetic running from side to side in the TARDIS and it's picked up. 631 00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:50.880 Oh, yeah, that's dismal, isn't it? 632 00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:52.980 And the horrible glowing fake spiders. 633 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:56.519 Like, they actually freak me out, those spiders, but then they're wibbly wobbly. 634 00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:58.079 You must be better at that. 635 00:41:58.139 --> 00:41:58.800 Oh, no. 636 00:41:58.860 --> 00:42:03.480 In fact, now that I think it back and picture those spiders in planet of the spiders, they're much worse, aren't they? 637 00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:07.320 The tardest thing, like they don't shoot the marshmen. 638 00:42:07.380 --> 00:42:12.300 They obviously can't get the marshmen to lift it up, so they do it from inside the that thing. 639 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:18.539 But can the TARDIS really be 5 times 10 to the 6 kilograms in mass? 640 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.880 That's 5000 tons. 641 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.119 How would they lift it up later in King's Demons? 642 00:42:24.179 --> 00:42:25.199 That's crazy, Tom. 643 00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:25.739 Yeah, yeah. 644 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:27.179 That's a continuity problem. 645 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.280 Either that or Roman's just making it up. 646 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.619 Maybe it's her wardrobe. 647 00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:43.559 Actually, they, well, spoiler alert, but in a few stories time, they're going to jettison Romana's room and that frees up, that frees it up. frees up a lot of space. 648 00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:48.000 Especially when she gets rid of all of her stuff from Tahiti. 649 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:51.599 Now, poor canine. 650 00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:53.639 Oh, yeah, he gets decapitated. 651 00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:55.139 It's decapitated in this one. 652 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.119 So if we I'm not going to blow him up in the 1st one. 653 00:42:57.179 --> 00:42:59.039 We may as well like knock off his head in this one. 654 00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.260 It's really savage too. 655 00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:08.639 I think it's quite clever because JNT knows that from the beginning of this series, he's writing out Romana and K9. 656 00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:12.420 He doesn't know he's writing out Tom, but he knows he's writing out Lala and K9. 657 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:22.860 So, Lala at the end of Meglos gets the impetus to leave, which is otherwise she's going to end up back on Gallifrey, but that doesn't pay off for a few more stories. 658 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.559 K9 gets damaged in each story. 659 00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:28.139 You know, he's blown up in the leisure hive. 660 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:29.760 His batteries run down in Meglos. 661 00:43:29.820 --> 00:43:31.320 He gets his head knocked off in this one. 662 00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:42.360 It seems to be a very canny thing of introducing the idea to the audience that these characters. 1st of all, are not invulnerable and are not unmoveable. 663 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:49.380 So that when they do go, It's kind of weird in that instead of getting the shock when they leave. 664 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:54.480 It gets gently introduced to you that these characters might go. 665 00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:58.739 And it's been attempted with other Doctor Who characters to lesser effects. 666 00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:11.699 So, for instance, the big one where I think it fails. is with Amy and Rory, who, you know, gets so many great leaving scenes, and then just this horrible, horrible end that they get in Angels of Manhattan. 667 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.980 The leaving scene they get in the God complex is perfect. 668 00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:15.179 Yeah I like it a lot. 669 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:15.719 Yeah. 670 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:16.860 They should have gone then. 671 00:44:16.980 --> 00:44:23.760 But I think this is, I think this is a lot more effective because for reasons we'll discuss in 2 weeks. 672 00:44:23.820 --> 00:44:27.059 It actually feeds into the character reasons for leaving. 673 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:33.719 Yeah, I mean, obviously a companion leaving is a very emotional thing for a lot of the younger audience. 674 00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:40.559 And whether you realise it or not, subliminally, they're planting this in your head that it could happen. 675 00:44:40.619 --> 00:44:45.840 So when it becomes more obvious, although you're upset, you're not completely and utterly distraught. 676 00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:46.440 Yeah. 677 00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:57.059 Because Romana, you know, 3 seasons, K9, 4 years, since his 1st appearance, it's a very long, Oh, I think that's virtually longer than any other companion, you know? 678 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:09.300 So it actually is a clever little ploy, but also I think it also ties back into the, um, more sort of um, soap opery sort of element that that has been introduced. 679 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.280 A lot of things go on in this. 680 00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:16.019 I mean, these are the most changes in cast that we've had in a single season, isn't it? 681 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.059 Apart from the long 60s ones, maybe. 682 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:21.360 Yeah, since they flail about it. season four, yeah. 683 00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:21.599 Yeah. 684 00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:27.539 But the, yeah, everyone leaving and coming and telling a sort of longer story. 685 00:45:28.260 --> 00:45:35.639 I do like the little comedy bit with the canine's head and Romana that the doctor. that goes through and I think that's quite nice. 686 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.039 In episode four. 687 00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:41.820 I think Vash's death is very quick. 688 00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.500 I think it's a bit too sort of. 689 00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:45.659 You don't want it to be protracted though, do you? 690 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:46.739 That would have been a bit upsetting. 691 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:50.099 I mean, it is pretty good, and he's good in it, you know. 692 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.019 And Matthew Waterhouse is good in it. 693 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:53.519 I think. 694 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:53.940 Okay. 695 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.440 I find it. 696 00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:59.039 You know, I know his reaction afterwards when he picks up the belt. 697 00:45:59.099 --> 00:46:01.380 Some people might look at that and say, oh, you know, he's not doing anything. 698 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.460 But I'm like, actually, no, he's numb with shock. 699 00:46:05.460 --> 00:46:09.179 And Matthew actually plays out rather well. 700 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:10.739 Yeah, he's quite good at num. 701 00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:12.719 He should have stuck with it. 702 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:15.599 Oh, dear. 703 00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:18.300 What do you think of the main set with all the system files? 704 00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:23.460 I think they're a bit colourful and a bit, you know, paper thin when they're going through them all. 705 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.019 I mean, it looks good though. 706 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:26.280 I think that set looks good. 707 00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:33.239 And I do like, you know, the symbolism of the marshmen coming in and, you know, ripping up the system files. 708 00:46:33.300 --> 00:46:34.320 Yeah, but I mean? 709 00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:39.000 But there never seems to be quite enough people in that set for when they have the difference. 710 00:46:39.059 --> 00:46:40.019 Yeah, like the big announcement. 711 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.500 But they do cut away to like the corridors full of people. 712 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:51.300 I know they're trying really hard to use all their extras from location in various things, but it just looks a little sparsely populated. 713 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.920 The corridors are very liberator. 714 00:46:52.980 --> 00:46:54.179 Yeah, they are. 715 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:54.960 They look good. 716 00:46:55.019 --> 00:46:55.800 They're interesting. 717 00:46:55.860 --> 00:47:00.539 For some reason, the show has learned to do interesting looking corridors in the last year. 718 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.139 And it's all just by not having them being square. 719 00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:04.920 Yeah. 720 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:09.300 Oh, I'm painting the walls something other than brown or, you know. 721 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:10.739 Well, they're beige. 722 00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:18.900 I've commented, like, the leisure high, very quick ending, and I can't Megloss wraps up. 723 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:20.280 Yeah, frequently. 724 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:21.659 You said it was rushed, I think. 725 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:32.340 Here, again, it's like, oh, yes, there's a big green button, pushed that, you know, you're off, and then they're back in the TARTIS and canine seems to be repaired in the quickest time ever. 726 00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:35.280 Like, it's all just... 727 00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:37.800 Last time they had to keep repeat repairing them over and over again. 728 00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:47.639 Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, I'm just finding a bit with watching some of these Christopher HBM scripted stories that the endings of this, like, it's literally like, we've got 2 minutes. 729 00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:48.599 We've got to get out of here. 730 00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:49.860 Boom, boom, boom, boom. 731 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:51.960 Not say that I wanted to drag it out. 732 00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.000 I just sometimes feel that. 733 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.619 Thing is, I do I actually kind of prefer that to some of the Scooby-Doo endings we had last year. 734 00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:02.400 Like the sort of, oh, we're back in the Tartars. 735 00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:03.539 And I'm going to tell a joke. 736 00:48:03.659 --> 00:48:05.039 Oh, yeah. 737 00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:06.119 I don't know. 738 00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:12.360 I just kind of feel like they've built up a relationship with people and it's like I would just like a little 30 seconds. 739 00:48:12.420 --> 00:48:16.260 Can we get that back from the beat shot in the leisure hive, you know? 740 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.179 true, I suppose. 741 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:28.500 But look, I really enjoyed this and I really thank you for explaining the evolution of the marshman to me. 742 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:37.739 It's really helped, and I think this is a really confident, solid story, well-directed, and, you know, I have there's more to come. 743 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.599 I forgot to mention one thing. 744 00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:40.619 This story. 745 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:57.780 I just want to add in that this story contains the original series, the single worst placed Doctor Who episode in chart history, which is 107 TF on the charts, which is episode 2, which only got 3.700000 viewers. 746 00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.760 Which I think is such a shame. 747 00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.619 It's doomed. 748 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:02.519 Whole show's doomed. 749 00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:04.500 Everything is ruined forever. 750 00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:28.380 Well, ladies and gentlemen, as you enjoy your trip on the starliner back to Pterodon, we will see you next week. on the unnamed planet of the three who rule for state of decay. 751 00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:35.099 Until then, please find us online at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook, and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter. 752 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.619 Please retweet, share, and review. 753 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.079 It's the only way we get new followers. 754 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:43.800 So that would be absolutely wonderful to get this podcast out to as many people as possible. 755 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:51.599 For those of you of a James Bond bent, If you would like to hear us talk all about George Baker impersonating George Lazenby, or is it the other way around? 756 00:49:51.659 --> 00:50:02.400 You can find our commentary for Honour Majesty's Secret Service and a variety of other bond films on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger cast on Twitter, and Bondfinger on Facebook, and iTunes. 757 00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:07.320 Until next time, may none of your river fruit contain spiders. 758 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:08.940 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 759 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:09.659 Good night. 760 00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:10.860 See you soon. 761 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:20.820 That was Flight Through Entirety with Todd B.L.B. Nathan Bottomley and Brendan Jones. 762 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.860 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 763 00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:29.099 This episode, he swims in a very special way, was recorded on February 20th. 764 00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.619 The next episode will be released on April 24. 765 00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:38.099 I tried gel electrophoresis once, but I didn't end up with teeth as nice as Lulla Ward. 766 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.619 You know, I had there's more to come. 767 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.219 Next week's a dumpster fire.