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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who knows the secret of...

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Basically, it's just what happens if you don't eat enough fresh fruit and roughage.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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Welcome to our domain.

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And it's about to get a great deal scarier in here as we enter a state of decay.

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Boom, boom.

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Now, I'm gonna get in and make the obvious joke before you do, Nathan.

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This is just where it all goes horribly wrong and the title's a metaphor, isn't it?

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For the whole rest of the series.

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Well, the title is actually a metaphor, isn't it?

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Because the state of decay, like state media condition, but it is obviously a state of decay, a political system that's decayed.

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And it's decaying in the same way that we saw in Ailes Areas last week.

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Where 3 people, 3 oligarchs, the 3 who rule, who are explicitly called lords, and there's a king and a queen, so they're royalty, they're the aristocracy, and they're literally and metaphorically subsisting on the lifeblood of the peasants and preventing them from progressing, and like the deciders, they control information.

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And so reading is forbidden, and science is forbidden, and the result of it is a society that stagnated, or even, as Romana says, is evolving backwards.

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So we get the same evolution metaphor used for the development of society. sort of wasting away, really?

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They really are.

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And the doctor's fabulously, you know, anarchic about it.

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He refuses to be cowed by kings and queens, doesn't he?

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He mocks their pretensions to protecting the people, you know, the way that they protect them against all that rich fare, which would just disagree with them.

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And the most Doctor Who line in history where one of them, either the king or queen says what is, is.

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And the doctor says, no, what is, is wrong, you know?

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So it's another one where he'll overthrow the society, which is always a fun one.

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And of course, we've got Terence Dix back on writing duties.

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Ostensibly.

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Yeah, this has got Holmesian sort of touches to it, don't you think?

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Yeah, well, you know, I think because Terrence has had a bit of a break from Dr...

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And you know, he's been writing the novelisation.

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So he's been reading lots of other Doctor Who stories, written by other people, including Robert Holmes, who famously would only novelize one of his own stories. being the 2 doctors.

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The 2 doctors.

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Um, Yeah, I think Terrence is sort of distilling his Doctor Who experience of writing all these novelisations into a doctor who story that has lots of other elements within it.

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But the other big influences on the script, of course, are Christopher Hamilton did made and the director Peter Moffat.

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So this story has a long and tortured history.

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Terrence Dix had written the vampire mutational vampire mutations.

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There are different permutations of the title, to open season 15.

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And he did that kind of as a favour to Robert Holmes, because Robert Holmes said, look, you left us with some scripts when you left the program.

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Could you write the 1st script for the new producer, I'll still be here.

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So it'll be an easy one for them because you, you're a good writer, I'm a good script editor.

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We can get this done.

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And Graham McDonald cancelled it because the BBC had their own terrible production of Dracula in pre-production.

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And so when Bidmeat arrived and there weren't many scripts about, and this was eventually filmed second, they dug up the vampire mutations, if you'll pardon the pub, and reworked it, they approached Peter Moffat to direct his 1st time directing Doctor, but he worked much like Terence Dudley with John Nathan Turner on All Creatures, great and small.

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John Nathan Turner approached Peter Moffat saying, hey, got this great script for you.

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It's this Gothic vampire story, but they're actually these astronauts in a spaceship and et cetera, et cetera.

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And Moffat said, that's great, you know, mix the Gothic with the technological.

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That sounds really interesting.

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I haven't done a Doctor Who before.

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Okay.

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Meanwhile, of course, Christopher Hamilton bid me want none of this Gothic stuff.

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And so made it very technological in the script.

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Well, you had the vampire mutations.

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You had stated decay version one written by or rewritten by Terence Dix, to include the doctor and Romana and this new young character, this artful dodger type called Adrick.

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Um, with the Gothic touch and what have you, and you had Bidmead's rewrite, Which made it all a lot more technological.

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So, you know, didn't change the story that much.

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Terence Dix wasn't too impressed by that, that he's like, well, I know how it works with script editors, so, you know, the whole Robin Bland situation, at least it's still my words.

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Peter Moffatt came in and said, well, this is boring.

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You know, you don't have any contrast in this.

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I want to do the Gothic story, and Barry, let's back to him, and Terence Dix back to him, and to his credit, bid me kind of went, well, you know what?

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The writer wants it, the director wants it, the executive producer wants it.

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John Nathan Turner is happy just so long as a story gets made.

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Do what you like.

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And so we end up with this Gothic contrast, which is wonderful.

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It's really interesting.

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That is all discussed in the documentary, which I never knew.

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And of course, Terrence actually says we have Peter Moffatt to thank for this version of the script.

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As you just said, he saw the original one and then he got this other thing with eggs and all sorts of pod type things and said, no, forget it.

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So he made it a bit less kind of mystical.

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Yeah, it was all much more down his scientific road and my foot didn't want anything to do with it and said, you promised me this.

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I'm so grateful that Peter Moffat stood up and said, this is what, this is what we're going to have because, well, this is my favourite story up to this point in the season.

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Right?

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So, Piudos to him.

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And I just have to say that I think Tom Baker in his costume in this story looks fantastic.

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He's in a giant red environment in the palace thing, which just looks amazing.

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The costume looks wonderful.

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This is where I actually really love the costume.

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I think Lala's outfit is terrific, isn't it?

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Terrific.

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And then later on, when she gets changed, sacrificing, into the sacrificial frock.

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She looks terrific.

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It's interesting with Terence and Christopher talking in the documentary.

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It's one of these things where I don't think they possibly are the best of friends, a bit like David Fisher.

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I mean, it's obvious that Terence struggled a bit with putting Adrik in.

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The doctor and Romana don't encounter him until episode three.

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He's also had to put canine in.

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Canan doesn't really come into the thing until episode three.

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They're very much sidelined in terms of that sort of thing.

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But we've got the 3 who rule.

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Yes, Camilla, Zargo, and Orcom.

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I love them.

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I think they're fantastic.

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Like, they're very still, and they form these tableaus.

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You know, they're always sort of arranged.

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Like everyone else is playing very naturally stickily despite their horrific press on BBC beards.

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It sounds so obvious.

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I need falls.

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I never saw that before and then, this time through, I'm looking at going, oh, my goodness, are you kidding?

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Chicago has the most hilarious beard.

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I've ever seen on television.

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This is good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This looks great.

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They look like kind of like playing harder off the, as if they're off the Bayeux tapestry or something.

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And I think that they look great.

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And I think that they look really quite terrifying, even before they start donning the fangs or crumbling to dust.

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They actually look like vampires, you know, even though really all they've got is that silly eye makeup.

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They're terrific.

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They don't even try to hide it.

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Like Camilla and Zargo.

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They don't even they don't even bother.

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Like, you mean, they've been doing this for 100s of years with, you know, the peasant population isn't getting any bigger, all their movements, and it's, and they're so, it's an arch.

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I don't know what it is, but just the way it's all choreographed and that sort of thing.

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I just adore that.

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I mean, it's completely ridiculous, but it's like, oh, we're not even going to bother to try.

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I think once or twice they look a bit silly.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That's the thing.

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They do look a bit silly sometimes, but the actors, the actors.

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Rachel Davies and William Lindsay.

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They never break character.

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No.

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To them, they're not silly.

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This is just how they move.

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If you find this silly, that's fine.

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I'm going bite you.

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For me, this story as a kid was so much scarier because the off air copy we had, we would go through periods during the year where our ABC reception wouldn't be great.

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So the picture is a little bit snowy.

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So it's slightly indistinct, and then you have all these cold exteriors, which, you know, kind of look like a horror movie.

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It looks like Friday the 13th or Texas Chainsaw Massacre or something.

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It doesn't quite obscure what's going on, but it makes it that little bit softer and that little bit harder to see and that little bit darker.

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So when the story was cleaned up for DVD release, I actually found it a little less scary than I did as a kid, just because of that picture interference.

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It's something so unique, you know, no one else would have seen the show like that.

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But, again, I think they're kind of trying to put something into interest children again because any child knows what a vampire is, you know, and they have all the trappings of vampires.

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You know, the word vampire isn't used until quite a bit into the story to describe the villains.

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But you're sitting there as a kid at the screen.

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Look at the screen going, that's vampire.

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Tom famously had the scene where the vampire bat bites him on the neck, which, you know, for bats attached to bits of string doesn't actually look that bad.

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No, it doesn't. occasionally.

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Occasionally a little bat will kind of fly ineptly into the frame.

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I never saw that as a kid, like, you know, because you had you had to stop footage and then you have that the great sound effect.

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Yeah, the sound effect's awesome.

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And the fact that it's so darkly sort of linked through that.

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But then this time through when there's that little swingy bat in front of the background, like...

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Yeah, I was thinking, okay.

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But Tom famously read the script and it says, you know, it bites the doctor and we see a spot of blood.

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And Tom sort of said, oh, well, you know what?

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We've got lords up in the castle.

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We've never seen a time will bleed before, so he's forgetting about deadly assassin.

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He says, what if I had blue blood?

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As a sort of metaphor?

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So it was meant to be, he gets bitten, he presses his hand to his neck, looks at it, and we get this close-up of his hand with blue ink on it.

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And John Nathan Turner saw that in the edit and he said, no, get rid of that.

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Yeah, that's crazy.

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You know, which I think for the demystification, we get throughout the 80s, I think that's an admirable bit of restraint because, you know, it would suddenly be Doctor Who fans going, well, Time Lords have blue blood.

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Yeah, like Spock with green blood is just stupid.

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Yeah, I think John Nathan Turdle was kind of thinking, no, this means every time the doctor bleeds, he has to have blue blood.

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And it wouldn't read his blood. you know, like you you can't go, what's happening?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Is he made of ink?

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Yeah.

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Orcon.

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Emirus James?

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He's just so good.

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Just the way he delivers thing.

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Just the way he delivers lines and his presence, like the other 2 are, as I said, are very arch and very mannered, but he's a little, so it's very interesting, like they're the king and the queen, but he's...

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I think that they're much more creatures of appetite than he is.

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He's smarter than them.

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So he really is their leader.

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And he just lets them play it being king and queen, or that's what keeps them happy.

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But they're the ones who lose self-control enough to kind of, you know, examine the blood on Romana's finger and all of that sort of thing.

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That's a wonderful, wonderful scene.

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It really is.

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Tom struggled with that scene.

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But yeah, he says that, so you have, um, you have Tom and Lauer, and you have, um, William and Rachel playing Sargo and Camilla.

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And it's the scene where they're having the banquet where we were talking about...

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Yeah, we were adopted. political thing.

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Yeah, Tom was just having trouble focussing on his marks.

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And of course, at this point, he was quite ill, as we discussed last week, his hair on curled and has to be put in curlers.

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So if you look, especially in the tartar scenes, his hair is incredibly buffon.

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Yeah, he's having a touch of the purtu. having a...

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So he just couldn't get his head around.

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The movements for this.

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And Peter Moffatt said to him, okay, Tom, we're going to treat it like a quadrille, which is a kind of dance.

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And Tom, being a classically trained actor, knew about dancing and ballroom dancing and what have you.

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And yeah, if you watch the scene, there's a rhythm to how they're moving and that's how they got through the scene.

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I want to say something about Peter Moffat, which is a lot of people criticise his directorial style.

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And I've been one of them in the past as well.

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But when I was rewatching Doctor Who All the Way Through, what I realised is his first few goes.

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So he does state of decay, he does the visitation, he does Modern Undead, he does, um, 5 doctors, the twin dilemma, and the 2 doctors.

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Personally, I think it's actually during one of those stories that he gives up and retires from directing.

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Oh, when?

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And I'll discuss that when we get to it.

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But I think here, he's really good in this.

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He gets a good guess cast.

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We've got Clinton Grain as Ivo... thinking?

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We've got Arthur Hewlett as Kalmar, who, of course, who will ever be for me, Mr. Kimber.

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Does he do a Blake 7?

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Yes, yes, he does.

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I can't remember which it is.

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He also does an Avengers.

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He's in the season 2 Avengers episode, the sellout, which also features Frank Gatliff.

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Otherwise known as Ortron from The Monster of Paladin.

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Who's the guard in the castle?

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Is that Habrus?

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Cabrus in, rat, train, or a train.

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It's quite good, I think.

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I think Hebrews is very good.

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I think he's, yeah.

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And he's got a normal beard.

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And Stuart fell.

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Stuart fell. plays Roger.

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Isn't he a stuntman?

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Yeah, so I think he's one of the one of the guards who, one of the people who gets attacked when they're running around the castle later on in the story.

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I do love that scene with Hebrus towards the end where he comes to his lords, you know, what shall we do?

214
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What shall we do?

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Die.

216
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That is the purpose of guards.

217
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And you come back to his face and that's the moment he realises that actually these people are evil.

218
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That gives you the double realisation of he's believed in what he's been doing all this time.

219
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You know, he's not a villain.

220
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He's always been like he helps Ivo out, doesn't he?

221
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Yeah, yeah. gets him extra food and stuff.

222
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They have a fair whack at establishing a sense of community and a sense of culture, which didn't necessarily happen in Megloss, and we were quite critical of that.

223
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You know, just by having a few characters and they meet Adrik.

224
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And I think Terrence Dix is very clever in the way he integrates Adric.

225
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He keeps them away from the doctor in Romana because, you know, with scripts being written with such a short turnaround, he wouldn't necessarily have known how.

226
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Adric would relate to the doctor in Romana in the previous story and in the subsequent story.

227
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So he tries not to introduce massive elements that will disrupt what's around him, which is a very professional trait. and it's something we've come to expect from Terrence. very good on character.

228
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What do you think that Adrix, you know, it's only apparent, isn't it?

229
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His apparent desire to join the vampires.

230
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Yeah, I think it is a trait.

231
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Terence is very wise to introduce, which gets misused by later writers. that he's just an idiot who always sidles up to the feeling and wants to be their friend.

232
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That's right, and I don't think that's what he's doing in this at all.

233
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And I think it's really good that he's, you know, he doesn't meet the doctor in Romana until later in the story.

234
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I think Matthew, with the other guest cast, is actually holding his own.

235
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Matthew with Ivo and his wife are pretty good.

236
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Yeah, she's very natural and trying to get the cheese and that.

237
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He's always after food, Patrick.

238
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We don't we don't get to see him meet the 3 who rule.

239
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Like he's revealed unconscious, is that right?

240
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Or...

241
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Well, remember, he's in the lineup?

242
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Or what?

243
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So he meets he meets all...

244
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You know, and it's such a, it's a funny thing when as you watch it, because, of course, Orcon knows everybody in the village.

245
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There is only the village, you know?

246
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Yeah, but he doesn't care about them because he's do you know what I mean?

247
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Like he wouldn't be bothered knowing anyone's name or anything because he's a lord.

248
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Like they all know each other, but to the Lords, I'm sure they're just a sort of vast, undifferentiated mass of cattle.

249
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How many people do you think are in this village?

250
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Yeah, they have 2 selections in 2 consecutive days.

251
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So decreasing numbers.

252
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I know.

253
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It's like if we're doing this, I mean, how can this village just sustain itself, you know, there are, there is nowhere else, which, when they talk about, oh, you know, they're strangers.

254
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But how do they know what a stranger is if everybody in the village knows everybody in the village and there is nobody else?

255
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So there's a few little things like that that I always kind of, again, it's my little thing of, yeah, does it really sit more with me?

256
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You've also got the model shots into the village and end of the tower and there's model shots.

257
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You know, the big mistake and they did it last week is having those little foamy architect tiny trees.

258
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Oh thank you.

259
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That's what it is.

260
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That's what it is.

261
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They had them around the starliner as well.

262
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They just look awful.

263
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That shot just doesn't work, you know?

264
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This one shot of the tower at night, which I think works quite well.

265
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Yeah, yeah, the night shot at the tower is nice.

266
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Something I found out about model work recently, which I think could have been used to great effect on Doctor Who. when you have spaceships taking off and whatnot, is something that Jerry Anderson used to do in Super Marination series, which is if you have a vehicle taking off like a plane would normally take off going along a runway, what you have is you have a stationary camera, you have a treadmill made up to look like the runway.

267
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And behind that, you have a treadmill turned on its side with the skycloth on it.

268
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So you move the ground at one rate, you move the sky slower, and then you just have the model in place and lift the model off and move it out of shot.

269
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And yeah, it gives you a parallax effect, similar to scene sync, as we discussed. a few weeks ago.

270
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The funny thing is the model itself of the ship. looks great.

271
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But yeah, it's just not shot terribly well.

272
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And I think another problem is the village just looks too small next to it.

273
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Like, I know they're trying to dwarf it, but that means you also lose detail and they just look like monopoly houses.

274
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Yeah, yeah.

275
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No, it's not a good model.

276
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And the when later on when the ship takes off.

277
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Wow.

278
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It's really, terribly bad.

279
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It's a firework, isn't it?

280
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Yeah.

281
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Okay.

282
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I don't see space green, by the way.

283
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Do we know?

284
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No, I don't think they ever explain.

285
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It's just different.

286
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Do they intend it to be green?

287
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Yes.

288
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Yeah, that is deliberate.

289
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So I thought that was part of the picture distortion when I was a kid.

290
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Because this is the only one I had on video as a child.

291
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And when night falls on this planet, it's a slightly greenish.

292
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Yes.

293
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That's because the sky's green in e-space.

294
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I'm gonna thought about it.

295
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I think deeply about these things.

296
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The cliffhangers are interesting.

297
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The 1st cliffhanger is really not a cliffhanger at all. just a whole heap of flying bats, you know, the servants are going out.

298
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It's atmospheric.

299
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I kind of like that.

300
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But it's a fake out.

301
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Yeah, it's not exactly peril.

302
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The 2nd one is I am Orcon. welcome to my domain.

303
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I think it's great.

304
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Yeah, I do too.

305
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You know, with the music and that heartbeat and all that sort of stuff.

306
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And the 3rd one, of course, is with Romana and Adric under attack from Zargo.

307
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You know, I think it's great that throws the knife to stop him and shows that he's not just under their influence.

308
00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:13.559
So I think the character here, they use the character well in that he's in there, but he's really not buying it, whereas Quip said later on, like in Water Doomsday in particular, he falls under monarch spell, but it's so stupid.

309
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I mean, in a sense, it is hard to tell where his allegiances lie for the audience.

310
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It's not played very well and he does need to explain at the end, you know, no, I was just going along with them and Romana says, yes, I know, you know.

311
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Like it's not that well done.

312
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I do think that's effective. in this occasion, but I agree later on in Florida Doomsday.

313
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That 2nd cliffhanger, welcome to buying domain, that wasn't the cliffhanger in the script.

314
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Really?

315
00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:41.819
Episode 2 was underrunning.

316
00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:43.259
Episode 3 was overrunning.

317
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The original Cliffhanger for episode 2 is the doctor opening up the tanks and saying it's blood.

318
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Yeah, you can tell in blood.

319
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That's...

320
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You're right.

321
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Yeah.

322
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Yeah.

323
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The sequence running time, whatever.

324
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Welcome to my domain.

325
00:21:59.099 --> 00:22:03.119
That works as an excellent cliffhanger because they've been snooping around.

326
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They've been completely unobstructed.

327
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And suddenly the guy we know is the most scary of the 3 villains has found them.

328
00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:11.579
But, you know, I like all those sets.

329
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I like the throne room.

330
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I like the catacombs.

331
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I like when he's going up the turret, you know, and the way in which the new technology and the sort of the Gothic has come into it.

332
00:22:22.500 --> 00:22:24.480
It just all adds to the atmosphere of this.

333
00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:33.119
The red of the throne room and the corridors in the in the tower is just terrific and, you know, it's blood again.

334
00:22:33.180 --> 00:22:36.480
Do you like Kelmar's little hidey hole?

335
00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:37.859
His little technicothica.

336
00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:39.720
Which reminds me of something.

337
00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:47.460
A TARNIS does a short hop from the forest into his Heidi hole just because the doctor can do it.

338
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:52.140
It's one of these things that in the 1980s, I think. becomes a standard thing.

339
00:22:52.259 --> 00:22:53.940
A trope that I think is...

340
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.920
Well, the tardis is becoming more of a thing.

341
00:22:55.980 --> 00:23:01.200
You know, like the Tartar was always initially just a plot device to get us to the story.

342
00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:08.819
And, you know, like in the early years, they'd have to kind of separate the dog from the Tartar, so he'd leave immediately, you know, and not have an adventure.

343
00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:14.460
And then eventually the doctor decided that having adventures with his thing and so they didn't need to do that anymore.

344
00:23:14.579 --> 00:23:19.319
And, you know, eventually he'll be able to pilot the TARDIS more or less accurately.

345
00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:25.079
So, here, we're getting to the stage where the TARDIS is actually, I think he goes back to it.

346
00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:28.200
You know, they were carrying it around the Marshman last week.

347
00:23:28.259 --> 00:23:30.119
We're going to use it as a battering ram.

348
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:33.240
You know, it actually becomes more of a character.

349
00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:34.079
Hmm.

350
00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:41.039
It reminds me of the scene in the TARDIS where he's having to find out about the history of the great vampires and such.

351
00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:49.680
And we're now introducing another backstory to Gallifrey, and the fact that this giant vampire has escaped into e-space.

352
00:23:50.279 --> 00:24:03.900
I don't think it necessarily, in this instance, has a major impact on the casual viewer that it's something from the doctor's past, but it's the 1st in that list of, you know, something from before.

353
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:12.900
And then Tom gets that ticket tape, like the old cash register role, and he just goes, it's so unconvincing in that one sequence when he pulls it out.

354
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.039
Are you objecting to it being something from the time wards past?

355
00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:25.140
No, not necessarily, but I think it's something they're going to fall back in the trap of, you know, the time Lord's getting known and other things.

356
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.940
I don't I don't, you know.

357
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:34.619
I mean, The show's had to introduce those things like Omega in the 10th season and things like that.

358
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:35.759
I don't have a problem with it.

359
00:24:35.819 --> 00:24:40.980
You know, it is there, but it is another thing that's very 1980s to me.

360
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:41.579
Yeah.

361
00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:43.799
It ups the stakes, I guess.

362
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Boom, boom.

363
00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:49.559
That was totally deliberate.

364
00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:51.420
But that's the thing.

365
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.420
It's kind of word perilly.

366
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.339
Like, it doesn't really add anything.

367
00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:02.160
It's the only thing that's available, though, because you've got 2 timelines in the cast. you know what I mean?

368
00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:10.380
Like, it can't be a, you know, the Earth people thought the great vampires in a great spacewalk, because no one's from Earth, and so no one would care.

369
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:21.660
No, I think it works in that respect and having him in e-space as well. like to get away from the time lords, where else you, you think to shoot them all over space and time.

370
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:25.859
Yeah, so this really does work very well to have it have it here in this story.

371
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.920
There's a wonderful conversation between Lala and Tom.

372
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Is it the hermit?

373
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Up the mountains of South Galafray.

374
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.140
Might be in the cell, very difficult.

375
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:34.500
Yes.

376
00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:39.359
I like the bit when they're in the throne room and the doctor tells Romana, but she's wonderful.

377
00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:40.380
Oh, yes.

378
00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:40.619
Sorry.

379
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:41.819
That's the one I'm thinking of.

380
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She just does that big giant smile.

381
00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:51.720
And of course, Romana, I found the inspection hatch because she just found it. yeah.

382
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:58.079
That scene in the settleboat. that also the scene where Tarik played by...

383
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.859
A BBC press on beard stuck onto the following actor.

384
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.980
Is Tara the one that keeps rescuing them?

385
00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:07.980
Yeah, Fame Betney hits Tom Baker in the face with the door.

386
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.900
That's not deliberate, is it?

387
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.240
It's not deliberate.

388
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:15.000
It is an accident, and Tom takes a few seconds to recover.

389
00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:22.559
And because obviously what's meant to happen is he's meant to burst in the door and Lala's just meant to stroll out casually.

390
00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:30.119
And I think Tom is meant to be behind the door, but he's also meant to come out because the same bet he sort of looks to his left to react.

391
00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:31.920
Tom's not there.

392
00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:37.859
So he looks behind the door and Tom bursts out. they walk out and Tom sort of rubbing his nose.

393
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:38.519
I'm like, oh.

394
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:39.599
Wow.

395
00:26:39.660 --> 00:26:43.140
I feel bad about laughing at that last night actually now.

396
00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:45.000
Well, you know, it's funny.

397
00:26:45.059 --> 00:26:45.900
And that's the thing.

398
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.259
Tom would have thought, oh, you know, this will look like a joke.

399
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:57.660
Let's keep it in as a joke rather than me saying you've hit me. you hit me in the face with a door, you Burke. with a stupid beard.

400
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:04.859
What do you think of the giant vampires claw?

401
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.440
Do you know, it's better than the puppet?

402
00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:08.640
The puppet is really bad.

403
00:27:08.700 --> 00:27:11.160
Like you see the puppet for just a second.

404
00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:15.900
Like that little shot of the puppet under the tower over Kalma screen thing.

405
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.599
Like it's terrible, but it's over quite quickly.

406
00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:20.339
So it's sort of all right.

407
00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:30.720
Yeah, whereas it should remind you of a Zaal, you know, they've decided to keep it cheap by not hiring another actor, but it's like, really, I would have liked you to hire another actor.

408
00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:33.119
Don't forget how terrible Azar looked, though.

409
00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:35.640
Yeah, but he looks better than that puppet.

410
00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:40.259
Yeah, and then the whole... hand, the giant hand. spike coming down into that.

411
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.140
Yeah, that is a bit crummy, isn't it?

412
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:44.460
It's a great concept.

413
00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:45.000
Yeah.

414
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.940
But what's not crummy is their deaths because of that.

415
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.039
It's terrifying, isn't it?

416
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:51.299
It's really protracted.

417
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.220
Yeah, as they age.

418
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:54.059
Yeah, yeah.

419
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:54.900
I think...

420
00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:56.039
Fantastic.

421
00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:59.819
The king looks like a skull head.

422
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.619
He just looks completely different.

423
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:03.660
It's really something.

424
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:05.880
There's a sort of slow pan.

425
00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:12.059
Is't there across all 3 of them or something or a 3 shot where you get to see them all and they all just look really great.

426
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:14.279
It's tremendous.

427
00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:20.339
And shortly after that, when the villagers turn up, there's a very interesting moment, which I think again is unscripted.

428
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:25.980
Clinton Grain as Ivo walks up to the doctor and puts his hand on the doctor's shoulder.

429
00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:28.680
The doctor slaps it.

430
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.740
Like he raises his other hand and just whacks him one.

431
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:37.619
And from Clinton Green's reaction, I don't think that was the doctor.

432
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:45.420
I think that was Tom saying, don't touch me for whatever reason, because Clinton Green just looks really shocked at his hand and almost misses his next lie.

433
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.599
Isn't he going to thank the doctor for Kano?

434
00:28:48.660 --> 00:28:49.799
Because doesn't he have some?

435
00:28:49.859 --> 00:28:51.599
Yeah, because I'm confident that you're going to apologise.

436
00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:58.920
Yeah, the doctor says I think you should thank canine, but I don't think the doctor's slapping his hand because he was rude about canine earlier.

437
00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:00.059
It doesn't come across that way.

438
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.700
It comes across as Tom having a difficult day I'm like, don't touch me.

439
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.619
Kino's very good in this.

440
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.400
He does attack very well.

441
00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:13.799
And there's that rousing speech from Henry V that the doctor makes up, which I thought was pretty excellent.

442
00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:18.359
Tom and Lala are having bad days on set here.

443
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:23.880
Yeah, I think this is around the time where they were kind of getting back together-ish kind of thing.

444
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:33.240
And the way Peter Moffatt describes it is, you know, we'd have one day on location, where they won't look at each other, even on camera, and that's where they're standing around outside the diners.

445
00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:36.539
And if you watch, they do not look at each other during their dialogue.

446
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:42.839
You can't tell from the way they're saying their words that they hate each other at the moment, but yeah, they won't look at each other.

447
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:45.900
You can see Tom doing that with Louise all the time.

448
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:50.279
But Peter Moffatt says, as soon as we got into the studio, it was sweetness and light.

449
00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:53.819
It's not a liberty for me to say what happened between them two.

450
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:58.019
But yeah, it looks like between the location shoot and the studio session.

451
00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:59.339
They'd gotten back together.

452
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.359
And Tom had to have his hair permed.

453
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:05.220
Yeah, looked terrible.

454
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:10.079
Well, this story was broadcast late in 1980.

455
00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:12.539
Viewing figures aren't great still.

456
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:17.640
Like 5.800000 for the 1st episode and all the others are less, one, which is only at 4.4.

457
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.339
I give this show another year. tops.

458
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.740
So up to the end of this story.

459
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.980
Only one episode of this season is inside the top 100.

460
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.059
And about another 2 inside the top, 110, it really is.

461
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:32.160
That bad.

462
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.660
People watch the hell out of season four, who go figure.

463
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.960
No, actually quite like season four.

464
00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:43.740
And the weird thing is, you know, I wouldn't say that the quality's dropped off.

465
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:51.180
I wouldn't say that the acting, I think the acting's actually improved across the board, to be honest. on average.

466
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:59.519
No, I think the quality's higher than I'm always conflicted because season 17 is so great, but I think season 18 looks just vastly better.

467
00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:03.119
You know, for a long time, I think people thought you had to like one or the other.

468
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.339
I'm allowed to like both.

469
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:06.539
You're allowed to like both.

470
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.079
But that's gonna make my life so much less complicated.

471
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.519
This is a safe place.

472
00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:19.859
And also, this was the last show broadcast in 1980, because they took a season break before going onto Warrior's Gate.

473
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:20.700
Oh really?

474
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:21.420
Yeah, yeah.

475
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.500
So, um, state of decay was broadcast in.

476
00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:26.400
November, December.

477
00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:30.720
Yep, November, December, and Warriors Gate came back in the January of 1981.

478
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.680
I didn't realise, so they were like trapped in e-space over Christmas.

479
00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:36.359
Yeah, must have been miserable.

480
00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:40.680
And, you know, that was pretty standard. it had happened before.

481
00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:44.160
Yeah, and I think it last happened in season 15 or 16.

482
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.160
They decided not to delay Horns of Nime on it.

483
00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:51.359
They broadcast that over Christmas, possibly because they didn't have another story to go on to after that.

484
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:58.079
But yeah, that kind of season break wouldn't happen again. until 2011.

485
00:31:58.259 --> 00:32:00.059
Series 6?

486
00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:01.500
In fact.

487
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.579
Are you sure?

488
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:04.680
Yes, I am.

489
00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:12.480
Well, unless unless you count, um, um, Russell T's season's usually breaking for Eurovision, spending one week off the Eurovision.

490
00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:13.859
Oh, season 7 broke.

491
00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:15.180
Oh, season 6 did it first.

492
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.880
And then season 7 did it again over a longer period.

493
00:32:17.940 --> 00:32:18.900
Over a longer period.

494
00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:20.819
Gosh, we're hard done by, aren't we?

495
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.319
And we don't get a whole season this year.

496
00:32:22.859 --> 00:32:25.740
It's very, very cruel deprivation.

497
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.599
I can't believe they treat us like this.

498
00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:37.200
The whole thing about the 3 who rules name going from their real names into Orcon Zago and Camilla.

499
00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:39.000
I'm never convinced by that.

500
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:40.380
Like when they start doing it.

501
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:45.960
I understand the concept, but I, as Romana does it, I just kind of go, there's a bit of a jump.

502
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:47.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

503
00:32:47.099 --> 00:32:48.660
Well, the vowels change and stuff as well.

504
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.900
And in fact, O'Connor's consonants don't soften at all.

505
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:52.680
They're identical.

506
00:32:52.740 --> 00:32:54.779
He just drops the last syllable.

507
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:56.579
And Camilla again.

508
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.220
She just drops the 1st syllable on the last letter.

509
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:03.420
It's not actually an example of Grim's law in effect in any way at all.

510
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:17.099
So, like Grimm's law explains why, you know, the Latin word pata, meaning father becomes our English word father, you know, like eventually the P turns into an F. But there's no example of that at all.

511
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.240
No, yeah, it's still recognisable, but that would happen.

512
00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:25.079
Like if you if you look at Chaucer or any sort of middle English literature like that.

513
00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:28.440
And, you know, life is written LYF.

514
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:36.059
So it's still the same, still the same kind of sound, but it was more pronounced like lif, you know.

515
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.160
So that's the great vowel shift.

516
00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:40.859
Yeah, that's that's, I mean, it's not a consonant thing.

517
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:51.539
So he kind of pulls it out of, you know, yeah, and it is almost certainly bid me trying to teach us a valuable lesson about historical linguistics or something.

518
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:58.380
Yeah, you can sometimes tell the bits that bit means grafted onto a script, usually because the plot comes to a hold.

519
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:07.200
It's interesting that you move back to Big Mead because by going back to a much earlier version of his script, I think his influence is far less.

520
00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:11.820
It's really just the CVE stuff, that which we're just talking about.

521
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:17.280
And the stuff with perhaps the scanner and Kalmar, that sort of thing might be his stuff.

522
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:22.559
Like, you know, far less of an influence on this story than the rest of the season.

523
00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:31.019
Yeah, we've had scientists in every single story so far, if you include Kalmar, and that's not what Doctor Who normally does.

524
00:34:31.380 --> 00:34:36.659
It's interesting that it is continuing to build on the power of the individual.

525
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:49.440
You, of course, have the doctor and Romana in each of these stories coming in and making a difference, but you have individuals, you have a harden and you have charis in Megloss sort of fighting to make a difference.

526
00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:59.579
You have the deciders literally making the 1st decision that makes a difference in their culture for 40,000 generations or 40,000 years, I think it is.

527
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.880
I actually didn't mention it, but I love how you don't see it.

528
00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:06.179
Like the 2 remaining deciders are staring at each other.

529
00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:10.800
And for one horrible moment, I actually found myself thinking, oh, they're not really going to decide.

530
00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:12.539
They're just going to keep going.

531
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:13.619
They're like repairing things.

532
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:20.760
In this story, the peasants just need someone to lead them or someone to say, yes, you're doing the right thing.

533
00:35:20.820 --> 00:35:21.659
Go, go, go.

534
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:28.440
But also this season, what you've had is warnings about what happens when you allow stagnation.

535
00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.260
And we've talked about stagnation previously.

536
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.099
So the argolans have stagnated because they can't reproduce.

537
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:42.420
And Meglos has stagnated because, you know, he can't get out into the universe, but also because he wants to rule the universe.

538
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.699
That's why he stagnates that he's unimaginative.

539
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:50.280
I also think, you know, Tigella stagnates because of obstructionism.

540
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:52.980
Because of Edward Undertown.

541
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.519
No, because of obstructionist religious people.

542
00:35:56.579 --> 00:35:58.619
Oh, with fabulous hair.

543
00:35:58.679 --> 00:35:59.760
With fabulous hair.

544
00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:01.079
We didn't mention her wig.

545
00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:02.280
No, we did.

546
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:03.420
A giant gray braid.

547
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.519
Buffon platty.

548
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:14.039
It's interesting how different season 18 is, but how it's carrying on the same themes, which I imagine were prevalent in society at the time.

549
00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:17.340
It's inherent in the premise of an action adventure show, really.

550
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:18.000
Do you know what I mean?

551
00:36:18.059 --> 00:36:25.860
Like the doctor has to arrive, something has to be wrong and it needs to be fixed and very frequently, you know, in Doctor Who.

552
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.599
It's been something's been wrong with the society, the way the society's constituted.

553
00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:41.639
You know, there are too many dress wearing pacifists who don't like the Vietnam War in this society or, you know, the taxes are too high or something like that and the doctor comes and sort of fixes it.

554
00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:52.199
Oh, some mad computer has stolen your golden race bank things and just protecting them under a sword and a CSO.

555
00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:52.980
What happened in that one?

556
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:53.699
don't know.

557
00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:54.360
What's that one?

558
00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:55.199
I don't recall.

559
00:36:56.820 --> 00:37:02.760
My favourite so far of this season and I bet it's not your favourite by the end of the season.

560
00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:03.960
That is correct.

561
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.760
I don't think you're allowed to say each one's my favourite so far.

562
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:11.400
But I think you're planning to. aren't you?

563
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:12.420
No, I'm not.

564
00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:15.059
I think there was a season where you did that.

565
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:15.780
Is it?

566
00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:17.280
This is my absolute favourite.

567
00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:19.980
But I absolutely adore...

568
00:37:20.099 --> 00:37:22.380
I absolutely dore Tom's outfit from here on in.

569
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:35.820
And it's this older doctor whose time is fast approach in the end, even though I don't necessarily realise it as a viewer at this and it really ultimately adds to the feeling of this season, a passing of time.

570
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.119
And, uh, a moving board of the show.

571
00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:47.159
If I was a vampire, I'd scrunch my fingers up, like Camilla.

572
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:50.639
I think she's fabulous.

573
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:53.579
I think she's the best vampire ever. on television.

574
00:37:53.639 --> 00:38:00.059
It's not the way Orcon has to sort of keep them under control, because they're ready to pounce and he's got to just pacify them back.

575
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.320
God damn it, kids.

576
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:23.639
Well, our necks are feeling a little dry as we depart the Planet of the Vampire Lords.

577
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.860
Please come back next week when we take on one of my favourite stories, Warrior's Gate.

578
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:35.940
You can find us online at FlightthroughEntirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter.

579
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:46.079
Similarly, there are no vampires in our James Bond commentaries over on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter.

580
00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:54.119
Until next time, if any of you know what the wasting actually is, please write in and tell us, but until then, thank you very much for listening and good night.

581
00:38:54.179 --> 00:38:55.019
Good night.

582
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:55.679
See you soon.

583
00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:06.539
Backwards, flight through entirety with Todd Bielby, Nathan Bottomley, and Brendan Jones.

584
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:13.980
This episode, why is E Space Green, was recorded on February the 20th, 2016?

585
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.619
The next episode will be released on May 1st.

586
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.119
I don't know if you've ever given this much thought, but...

587
00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:22.320
You're wonderful.

588
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:37.679
I, um, I do recommend if you've got, like, two hours to spare and want something mindless, lesbian vampire killers.

589
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:40.860
Matthew Horn and James Corden and Paul McGann.

590
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.800
Yeah, I think you've mentioned it before.

591
00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:49.800
Yeah, it's the film where I suddenly realised that since 1996, Paul Magann's just been playing the same character in every movie.

592
00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:53.639
So I, how do we construe lesbian vampire killers?

593
00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:56.519
Is it people who kill lesbian vampires?

594
00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:58.260
or is it lesbians who kill vampires?

595
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.500
No, it's it's straight people killing lesbian vampires.

596
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:03.539
I like the other way around, much better, I think.

597
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:04.079
Yeah.

598
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:10.980
I guess the presence of James Corden, who's unlikely to be cast as a lesbian probably, is the big giveaway.

599
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.639
You're going to listen to the big new big finish audio?

600
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:16.019
State of decay too?

601
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.400
Electric boogaloo.