WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 16:11:36 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.659 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety 2 00:00:33.659 --> 00:00:37.619 the only Doctor Who podcast who knows the secret of... 3 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:41.159 Basically, it's just what happens if you don't eat enough fresh 4 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:42.359 fruit and roughage. 5 00:00:42.420 --> 00:00:42.960 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:43.020 --> 00:00:44.039 I'm Nathan. 7 00:00:44.100 --> 00:00:44.820 I'm Todd. 8 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:47.100 Welcome to our domain. 9 00:00:47.219 --> 00:00:53.280 And it's about to get a great deal scarier in here as we enter a 10 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:54.359 state of decay. 11 00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:04.439 Boom, boom. 12 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:09.540 Now, I'm gonna get in and make the obvious joke before you do 13 00:01:09.540 --> 00:01:09.840 Nathan. 14 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:13.439 This is just where it all goes horribly wrong and the title's a 15 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:14.340 metaphor, isn't it? 16 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:15.780 For the whole rest of the series. 17 00:01:15.900 --> 00:01:18.540 Well, the title is actually a metaphor, isn't it? 18 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:22.200 Because the state of decay, like state media condition, but it is 19 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.560 obviously a state of decay, a political system that's decayed. 20 00:01:25.620 --> 00:01:28.920 And it's decaying in the same way that we saw in Ailes Areas last 21 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:29.099 week. 22 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:33.599 Where 3 people, 3 oligarchs, the 3 who rule, who are explicitly 23 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:37.560 called lords, and there's a king and a queen, so they're royalty 24 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:41.099 they're the aristocracy, and they're literally and metaphorically 25 00:01:41.099 --> 00:01:45.060 subsisting on the lifeblood of the peasants and preventing them 26 00:01:45.060 --> 00:01:49.500 from progressing, and like the deciders, they control 27 00:01:49.500 --> 00:01:50.879 information. 28 00:01:50.939 --> 00:01:54.599 And so reading is forbidden, and science is forbidden, and the 29 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:58.799 result of it is a society that stagnated, or even, as Romana says 30 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:00.000 is evolving backwards. 31 00:02:00.060 --> 00:02:04.019 So we get the same evolution metaphor used for the development of 32 00:02:04.019 --> 00:02:07.379 society. sort of wasting away, really? 33 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:08.340 They really are. 34 00:02:09.659 --> 00:02:13.620 And the doctor's fabulously, you know, anarchic about it. 35 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.560 He refuses to be cowed by kings and queens, doesn't he? 36 00:02:16.620 --> 00:02:20.159 He mocks their pretensions to protecting the people, you know, the 37 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:22.800 way that they protect them against all that rich fare, which would 38 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:23.819 just disagree with them. 39 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.620 And the most Doctor Who line in history where one of them, either 40 00:02:28.620 --> 00:02:31.020 the king or queen says what is, is. 41 00:02:31.139 --> 00:02:35.039 And the doctor says, no, what is, is wrong, you know? 42 00:02:35.099 --> 00:02:38.219 So it's another one where he'll overthrow the society, which is 43 00:02:38.219 --> 00:02:39.900 always a fun one. 44 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:44.400 And of course, we've got Terence Dix back on writing duties. 45 00:02:44.460 --> 00:02:45.659 Ostensibly. 46 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.500 Yeah, this has got Holmesian sort of touches to it, don't you 47 00:02:49.500 --> 00:02:49.680 think? 48 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:52.680 Yeah, well, you know, I think because Terrence has had a bit of a 49 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:53.580 break from Dr... 50 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:55.259 And you know, he's been writing the novelisation. 51 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:59.580 So he's been reading lots of other Doctor Who stories, written by 52 00:02:59.580 --> 00:03:02.819 other people, including Robert Holmes, who famously would only 53 00:03:02.819 --> 00:03:06.900 novelize one of his own stories. being the 2 doctors. 54 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:07.500 The 2 doctors. 55 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:15.360 Um, Yeah, I think Terrence is sort of distilling his Doctor Who 56 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.360 experience of writing all these novelisations into a doctor who 57 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:21.180 story that has lots of other elements within it. 58 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:25.139 But the other big influences on the script, of course, are 59 00:03:25.139 --> 00:03:28.680 Christopher Hamilton did made and the director Peter Moffat. 60 00:03:28.740 --> 00:03:31.500 So this story has a long and tortured history. 61 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:35.580 Terrence Dix had written the vampire mutational vampire 62 00:03:35.580 --> 00:03:36.479 mutations. 63 00:03:36.539 --> 00:03:39.840 There are different permutations of the title, to open season 15. 64 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:43.560 And he did that kind of as a favour to Robert Holmes, because 65 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.199 Robert Holmes said, look, you left us with some scripts when you 66 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:47.580 left the program. 67 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:51.900 Could you write the 1st script for the new producer, I'll still be 68 00:03:51.900 --> 00:03:52.139 here. 69 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:55.319 So it'll be an easy one for them because you, you're a good writer 70 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:56.460 I'm a good script editor. 71 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:57.240 We can get this done. 72 00:03:57.300 --> 00:04:00.840 And Graham McDonald cancelled it because the BBC had their own 73 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.479 terrible production of Dracula in pre-production. 74 00:04:03.539 --> 00:04:08.159 And so when Bidmeat arrived and there weren't many scripts about 75 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:15.300 and this was eventually filmed second, they dug up the vampire 76 00:04:15.300 --> 00:04:19.920 mutations, if you'll pardon the pub, and reworked it, they 77 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:23.639 approached Peter Moffat to direct his 1st time directing Doctor 78 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:27.300 but he worked much like Terence Dudley with John Nathan Turner on 79 00:04:27.300 --> 00:04:28.680 All Creatures, great and small. 80 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:33.120 John Nathan Turner approached Peter Moffat saying, hey, got this 81 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:34.199 great script for you. 82 00:04:34.259 --> 00:04:38.160 It's this Gothic vampire story, but they're actually these 83 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.860 astronauts in a spaceship and et cetera, et cetera. 84 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.920 And Moffat said, that's great, you know, mix the Gothic with the 85 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:44.699 technological. 86 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:45.959 That sounds really interesting. 87 00:04:46.019 --> 00:04:47.459 I haven't done a Doctor Who before. 88 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:48.060 Okay. 89 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.500 Meanwhile, of course, Christopher Hamilton bid me want none of 90 00:04:52.500 --> 00:04:53.220 this Gothic stuff. 91 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.939 And so made it very technological in the script. 92 00:04:57.180 --> 00:05:00.480 Well, you had the vampire mutations. 93 00:05:00.540 --> 00:05:05.519 You had stated decay version one written by or rewritten by 94 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:10.620 Terence Dix, to include the doctor and Romana and this new young 95 00:05:10.620 --> 00:05:14.040 character, this artful dodger type called Adrick. 96 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:19.259 Um, with the Gothic touch and what have you, and you had Bidmead's 97 00:05:19.259 --> 00:05:22.920 rewrite, Which made it all a lot more technological. 98 00:05:22.980 --> 00:05:24.600 So, you know, didn't change the story that much. 99 00:05:24.660 --> 00:05:27.720 Terence Dix wasn't too impressed by that, that he's like, well, I 100 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.779 know how it works with script editors, so, you know, the whole 101 00:05:30.779 --> 00:05:33.600 Robin Bland situation, at least it's still my words. 102 00:05:34.259 --> 00:05:38.339 Peter Moffatt came in and said, well, this is boring. 103 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.620 You know, you don't have any contrast in this. 104 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.779 I want to do the Gothic story, and Barry, let's back to him, and 105 00:05:45.779 --> 00:05:50.040 Terence Dix back to him, and to his credit, bid me kind of went 106 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:50.759 well, you know what? 107 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:53.699 The writer wants it, the director wants it, the executive producer 108 00:05:53.699 --> 00:05:54.240 wants it. 109 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:57.480 John Nathan Turner is happy just so long as a story gets made. 110 00:05:57.540 --> 00:05:58.980 Do what you like. 111 00:05:59.100 --> 00:06:04.079 And so we end up with this Gothic contrast, which is wonderful. 112 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:05.519 It's really interesting. 113 00:06:05.579 --> 00:06:10.019 That is all discussed in the documentary, which I never knew. 114 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.439 And of course, Terrence actually says we have Peter Moffatt to 115 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:15.000 thank for this version of the script. 116 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:19.379 As you just said, he saw the original one and then he got this 117 00:06:19.379 --> 00:06:23.639 other thing with eggs and all sorts of pod type things and said, no 118 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:24.060 forget it. 119 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.879 So he made it a bit less kind of mystical. 120 00:06:27.540 --> 00:06:31.139 Yeah, it was all much more down his scientific road and my foot 121 00:06:31.139 --> 00:06:32.939 didn't want anything to do with it and said, you promised me 122 00:06:32.939 --> 00:06:33.180 this. 123 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.540 I'm so grateful that Peter Moffat stood up and said, this is what 124 00:06:36.540 --> 00:06:39.120 this is what we're going to have because, well, this is my 125 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.399 favourite story up to this point in the season. 126 00:06:41.459 --> 00:06:42.600 Right? 127 00:06:42.660 --> 00:06:43.860 So, Piudos to him. 128 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.879 And I just have to say that I think Tom Baker in his costume in 129 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:49.199 this story looks fantastic. 130 00:06:49.259 --> 00:06:54.899 He's in a giant red environment in the palace thing, which just 131 00:06:54.899 --> 00:06:55.740 looks amazing. 132 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:57.000 The costume looks wonderful. 133 00:06:57.060 --> 00:06:59.100 This is where I actually really love the costume. 134 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:02.459 I think Lala's outfit is terrific, isn't it? 135 00:07:02.459 --> 00:07:02.939 Terrific. 136 00:07:03.060 --> 00:07:06.839 And then later on, when she gets changed, sacrificing, into the 137 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:07.500 sacrificial frock. 138 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:08.459 She looks terrific. 139 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.939 It's interesting with Terence and Christopher talking in the 140 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:12.600 documentary. 141 00:07:12.660 --> 00:07:16.379 It's one of these things where I don't think they possibly are the 142 00:07:16.379 --> 00:07:18.300 best of friends, a bit like David Fisher. 143 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:22.620 I mean, it's obvious that Terence struggled a bit with putting 144 00:07:22.620 --> 00:07:23.459 Adrik in. 145 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.220 The doctor and Romana don't encounter him until episode three. 146 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:28.259 He's also had to put canine in. 147 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.019 Canan doesn't really come into the thing until episode three. 148 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.560 They're very much sidelined in terms of that sort of thing. 149 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:36.540 But we've got the 3 who rule. 150 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:41.339 Yes, Camilla, Zargo, and Orcom. 151 00:07:42.420 --> 00:07:44.040 I love them. 152 00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:45.240 I think they're fantastic. 153 00:07:45.300 --> 00:07:48.660 Like, they're very still, and they form these tableaus. 154 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:50.759 You know, they're always sort of arranged. 155 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:53.579 Like everyone else is playing very naturally stickily despite 156 00:07:53.579 --> 00:07:56.399 their horrific press on BBC beards. 157 00:07:56.459 --> 00:07:58.139 It sounds so obvious. 158 00:07:58.199 --> 00:07:58.860 I need falls. 159 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.920 I never saw that before and then, this time through, I'm looking 160 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:03.600 at going, oh, my goodness, are you kidding? 161 00:08:03.660 --> 00:08:06.420 Chicago has the most hilarious beard. 162 00:08:06.540 --> 00:08:08.939 I've ever seen on television. 163 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:09.720 This is good. 164 00:08:09.779 --> 00:08:10.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 165 00:08:10.740 --> 00:08:11.160 This looks great. 166 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:15.120 They look like kind of like playing harder off the, as if they're 167 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.560 off the Bayeux tapestry or something. 168 00:08:16.620 --> 00:08:18.300 And I think that they look great. 169 00:08:18.300 --> 00:08:21.480 And I think that they look really quite terrifying, even before 170 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.899 they start donning the fangs or crumbling to dust. 171 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:30.000 They actually look like vampires, you know, even though really all 172 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:31.560 they've got is that silly eye makeup. 173 00:08:31.620 --> 00:08:32.700 They're terrific. 174 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:34.080 They don't even try to hide it. 175 00:08:34.139 --> 00:08:36.600 Like Camilla and Zargo. 176 00:08:36.659 --> 00:08:38.460 They don't even they don't even bother. 177 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:41.399 Like, you mean, they've been doing this for 100s of years with, you 178 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.759 know, the peasant population isn't getting any bigger, all their 179 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:49.019 movements, and it's, and they're so, it's an arch. 180 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:52.259 I don't know what it is, but just the way it's all choreographed 181 00:08:52.259 --> 00:08:53.039 and that sort of thing. 182 00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:54.779 I just adore that. 183 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.200 I mean, it's completely ridiculous, but it's like, oh, we're not 184 00:08:58.200 --> 00:08:58.980 even going to bother to try. 185 00:08:59.100 --> 00:09:02.039 I think once or twice they look a bit silly. 186 00:09:02.100 --> 00:09:02.820 Do you know what I mean? 187 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:03.960 That's the thing. 188 00:09:04.019 --> 00:09:08.639 They do look a bit silly sometimes, but the actors, the actors. 189 00:09:08.700 --> 00:09:11.519 Rachel Davies and William Lindsay. 190 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:13.259 They never break character. 191 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:13.860 No. 192 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:15.240 To them, they're not silly. 193 00:09:15.299 --> 00:09:16.019 This is just how they move. 194 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.480 If you find this silly, that's fine. 195 00:09:18.539 --> 00:09:19.320 I'm going bite you. 196 00:09:19.500 --> 00:09:24.539 For me, this story as a kid was so much scarier because the off 197 00:09:24.539 --> 00:09:28.980 air copy we had, we would go through periods during the year where 198 00:09:28.980 --> 00:09:30.600 our ABC reception wouldn't be great. 199 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.720 So the picture is a little bit snowy. 200 00:09:33.779 --> 00:09:36.899 So it's slightly indistinct, and then you have all these cold 201 00:09:36.899 --> 00:09:40.320 exteriors, which, you know, kind of look like a horror movie. 202 00:09:40.379 --> 00:09:43.440 It looks like Friday the 13th or Texas Chainsaw Massacre or 203 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:43.740 something. 204 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.360 It doesn't quite obscure what's going on, but it makes it that 205 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.759 little bit softer and that little bit harder to see and that 206 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:51.659 little bit darker. 207 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:55.379 So when the story was cleaned up for DVD release, I actually found 208 00:09:55.379 --> 00:09:58.139 it a little less scary than I did as a kid, just because of that 209 00:09:58.139 --> 00:09:59.340 picture interference. 210 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.700 It's something so unique, you know, no one else would have seen 211 00:10:02.700 --> 00:10:03.480 the show like that. 212 00:10:03.539 --> 00:10:09.539 But, again, I think they're kind of trying to put something into 213 00:10:09.539 --> 00:10:12.840 interest children again because any child knows what a vampire is 214 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:16.200 you know, and they have all the trappings of vampires. 215 00:10:16.259 --> 00:10:19.980 You know, the word vampire isn't used until quite a bit into the 216 00:10:19.980 --> 00:10:22.139 story to describe the villains. 217 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.840 But you're sitting there as a kid at the screen. 218 00:10:24.899 --> 00:10:26.700 Look at the screen going, that's vampire. 219 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.840 Tom famously had the scene where the vampire bat bites him on the 220 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:36.779 neck, which, you know, for bats attached to bits of string doesn't 221 00:10:36.779 --> 00:10:37.620 actually look that bad. 222 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.899 No, it doesn't. occasionally. 223 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.379 Occasionally a little bat will kind of fly ineptly into the 224 00:10:43.379 --> 00:10:43.620 frame. 225 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:47.639 I never saw that as a kid, like, you know, because you had you had 226 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:51.240 to stop footage and then you have that the great sound effect. 227 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:52.200 Yeah, the sound effect's awesome. 228 00:10:52.259 --> 00:10:54.659 And the fact that it's so darkly sort of linked through that. 229 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.840 But then this time through when there's that little swingy bat in 230 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:00.240 front of the background, like... 231 00:11:00.299 --> 00:11:01.980 Yeah, I was thinking, okay. 232 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:06.899 But Tom famously read the script and it says, you know, it bites 233 00:11:06.899 --> 00:11:08.580 the doctor and we see a spot of blood. 234 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.419 And Tom sort of said, oh, well, you know what? 235 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:13.919 We've got lords up in the castle. 236 00:11:13.980 --> 00:11:17.279 We've never seen a time will bleed before, so he's forgetting 237 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:18.179 about deadly assassin. 238 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.460 He says, what if I had blue blood? 239 00:11:20.700 --> 00:11:22.860 As a sort of metaphor? 240 00:11:22.980 --> 00:11:26.879 So it was meant to be, he gets bitten, he presses his hand to his 241 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:30.779 neck, looks at it, and we get this close-up of his hand with blue 242 00:11:30.779 --> 00:11:31.440 ink on it. 243 00:11:31.500 --> 00:11:35.340 And John Nathan Turner saw that in the edit and he said, no, get 244 00:11:35.340 --> 00:11:35.700 rid of that. 245 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:36.840 Yeah, that's crazy. 246 00:11:36.899 --> 00:11:41.759 You know, which I think for the demystification, we get throughout 247 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.299 the 80s, I think that's an admirable bit of restraint because, you 248 00:11:45.299 --> 00:11:48.840 know, it would suddenly be Doctor Who fans going, well, Time Lords 249 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:49.379 have blue blood. 250 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:52.379 Yeah, like Spock with green blood is just stupid. 251 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.139 Yeah, I think John Nathan Turdle was kind of thinking, no, this 252 00:11:55.139 --> 00:11:58.379 means every time the doctor bleeds, he has to have blue blood. 253 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:03.000 And it wouldn't read his blood. you know, like you you can't go 254 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:03.360 what's happening? 255 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:04.440 Yeah, yeah. 256 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:05.460 Is he made of ink? 257 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:05.940 Yeah. 258 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:07.379 Orcon. 259 00:12:07.379 --> 00:12:09.720 Emirus James? 260 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:11.700 He's just so good. 261 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.980 Just the way he delivers thing. 262 00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:18.480 Just the way he delivers lines and his presence, like the other 2 263 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.019 are, as I said, are very arch and very mannered, but he's a little 264 00:12:22.019 --> 00:12:24.059 so it's very interesting, like they're the king and the queen, but 265 00:12:24.059 --> 00:12:25.019 he's... 266 00:12:25.019 --> 00:12:29.100 I think that they're much more creatures of appetite than he is. 267 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:30.539 He's smarter than them. 268 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.120 So he really is their leader. 269 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.320 And he just lets them play it being king and queen, or that's what 270 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:38.340 keeps them happy. 271 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:43.559 But they're the ones who lose self-control enough to kind of, you 272 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.919 know, examine the blood on Romana's finger and all of that sort of 273 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:47.100 thing. 274 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.379 That's a wonderful, wonderful scene. 275 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:50.399 It really is. 276 00:12:50.460 --> 00:12:52.019 Tom struggled with that scene. 277 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:55.679 But yeah, he says that, so you have, um, you have Tom and Lauer 278 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:59.940 and you have, um, William and Rachel playing Sargo and Camilla. 279 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.100 And it's the scene where they're having the banquet where we were 280 00:13:02.100 --> 00:13:02.940 talking about... 281 00:13:02.940 --> 00:13:04.740 Yeah, we were adopted. political thing. 282 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:07.019 Yeah, Tom was just having trouble focussing on his marks. 283 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.240 And of course, at this point, he was quite ill, as we discussed 284 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.419 last week, his hair on curled and has to be put in curlers. 285 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:14.580 So if you look, especially in the tartar scenes, his hair is 286 00:13:14.580 --> 00:13:15.720 incredibly buffon. 287 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:19.320 Yeah, he's having a touch of the purtu. having a... 288 00:13:19.379 --> 00:13:21.419 So he just couldn't get his head around. 289 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:23.340 The movements for this. 290 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:26.940 And Peter Moffatt said to him, okay, Tom, we're going to treat it 291 00:13:26.940 --> 00:13:29.039 like a quadrille, which is a kind of dance. 292 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:34.559 And Tom, being a classically trained actor, knew about dancing and 293 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:35.759 ballroom dancing and what have you. 294 00:13:35.820 --> 00:13:39.360 And yeah, if you watch the scene, there's a rhythm to how they're 295 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.220 moving and that's how they got through the scene. 296 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:45.059 I want to say something about Peter Moffat, which is a lot of 297 00:13:45.059 --> 00:13:47.820 people criticise his directorial style. 298 00:13:48.419 --> 00:13:51.179 And I've been one of them in the past as well. 299 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:54.659 But when I was rewatching Doctor Who All the Way Through, what I 300 00:13:54.659 --> 00:13:57.480 realised is his first few goes. 301 00:13:57.539 --> 00:14:01.200 So he does state of decay, he does the visitation, he does Modern 302 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:06.240 Undead, he does, um, 5 doctors, the twin dilemma, and the 2 303 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:06.600 doctors. 304 00:14:06.779 --> 00:14:11.519 Personally, I think it's actually during one of those stories that 305 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.320 he gives up and retires from directing. 306 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:14.460 Oh, when? 307 00:14:14.460 --> 00:14:16.019 And I'll discuss that when we get to it. 308 00:14:16.139 --> 00:14:18.600 But I think here, he's really good in this. 309 00:14:18.659 --> 00:14:20.580 He gets a good guess cast. 310 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.899 We've got Clinton Grain as Ivo... thinking? 311 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.840 We've got Arthur Hewlett as Kalmar, who, of course, who will ever 312 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:32.639 be for me, Mr. Kimber. 313 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:34.740 Does he do a Blake 7? 314 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:36.659 Yes, yes, he does. 315 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:37.740 I can't remember which it is. 316 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:39.240 He also does an Avengers. 317 00:14:39.299 --> 00:14:44.759 He's in the season 2 Avengers episode, the sellout, which also 318 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:46.500 features Frank Gatliff. 319 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.980 Otherwise known as Ortron from The Monster of Paladin. 320 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.139 Who's the guard in the castle? 321 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:53.460 Is that Habrus? 322 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:57.539 Cabrus in, rat, train, or a train. 323 00:14:57.659 --> 00:14:59.220 It's quite good, I think. 324 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.379 I think Hebrews is very good. 325 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:02.279 I think he's, yeah. 326 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:03.659 And he's got a normal beard. 327 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.100 And Stuart fell. 328 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:06.960 Stuart fell. plays Roger. 329 00:15:07.019 --> 00:15:08.279 Isn't he a stuntman? 330 00:15:08.340 --> 00:15:12.480 Yeah, so I think he's one of the one of the guards who, one of the 331 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:15.240 people who gets attacked when they're running around the castle 332 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:16.740 later on in the story. 333 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.220 I do love that scene with Hebrus towards the end where he comes to 334 00:15:20.220 --> 00:15:21.899 his lords, you know, what shall we do? 335 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:22.379 What shall we do? 336 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:23.100 Die. 337 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.740 That is the purpose of guards. 338 00:15:25.860 --> 00:15:29.399 And you come back to his face and that's the moment he realises 339 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:30.899 that actually these people are evil. 340 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:35.039 That gives you the double realisation of he's believed in what 341 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:36.299 he's been doing all this time. 342 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:37.559 You know, he's not a villain. 343 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:42.360 He's always been like he helps Ivo out, doesn't he? 344 00:15:42.419 --> 00:15:44.700 Yeah, yeah. gets him extra food and stuff. 345 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:49.799 They have a fair whack at establishing a sense of community and a 346 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:52.980 sense of culture, which didn't necessarily happen in Megloss, and 347 00:15:52.980 --> 00:15:53.820 we were quite critical of that. 348 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:58.559 You know, just by having a few characters and they meet Adrik. 349 00:15:58.620 --> 00:16:01.620 And I think Terrence Dix is very clever in the way he integrates 350 00:16:01.620 --> 00:16:02.159 Adric. 351 00:16:02.220 --> 00:16:06.600 He keeps them away from the doctor in Romana because, you know 352 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.940 with scripts being written with such a short turnaround, he 353 00:16:08.940 --> 00:16:10.440 wouldn't necessarily have known how. 354 00:16:10.860 --> 00:16:15.419 Adric would relate to the doctor in Romana in the previous story 355 00:16:15.419 --> 00:16:16.500 and in the subsequent story. 356 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:20.879 So he tries not to introduce massive elements that will disrupt 357 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:25.740 what's around him, which is a very professional trait. and it's 358 00:16:25.740 --> 00:16:27.659 something we've come to expect from Terrence. very good on 359 00:16:27.659 --> 00:16:27.960 character. 360 00:16:28.019 --> 00:16:32.639 What do you think that Adrix, you know, it's only apparent, isn't 361 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:32.879 it? 362 00:16:32.940 --> 00:16:36.120 His apparent desire to join the vampires. 363 00:16:36.179 --> 00:16:39.179 Yeah, I think it is a trait. 364 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:43.799 Terence is very wise to introduce, which gets misused by later 365 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:47.279 writers. that he's just an idiot who always sidles up to the 366 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:48.539 feeling and wants to be their friend. 367 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.240 That's right, and I don't think that's what he's doing in this at 368 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:51.480 all. 369 00:16:51.539 --> 00:16:55.200 And I think it's really good that he's, you know, he doesn't meet 370 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.480 the doctor in Romana until later in the story. 371 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:01.679 I think Matthew, with the other guest cast, is actually holding 372 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:01.980 his own. 373 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.559 Matthew with Ivo and his wife are pretty good. 374 00:17:04.619 --> 00:17:08.339 Yeah, she's very natural and trying to get the cheese and that. 375 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:09.779 He's always after food, Patrick. 376 00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:14.039 We don't we don't get to see him meet the 3 who rule. 377 00:17:14.099 --> 00:17:16.619 Like he's revealed unconscious, is that right? 378 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:17.339 Or... 379 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:18.480 Well, remember, he's in the lineup? 380 00:17:18.539 --> 00:17:19.440 Or what? 381 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:21.720 So he meets he meets all... 382 00:17:21.779 --> 00:17:24.539 You know, and it's such a, it's a funny thing when as you watch it 383 00:17:24.539 --> 00:17:26.220 because, of course, Orcon knows everybody in the village. 384 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:27.779 There is only the village, you know? 385 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:30.960 Yeah, but he doesn't care about them because he's do you know what 386 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:31.200 I mean? 387 00:17:31.259 --> 00:17:34.259 Like he wouldn't be bothered knowing anyone's name or anything 388 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:35.400 because he's a lord. 389 00:17:35.460 --> 00:17:38.940 Like they all know each other, but to the Lords, I'm sure they're 390 00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:41.460 just a sort of vast, undifferentiated mass of cattle. 391 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:43.859 How many people do you think are in this village? 392 00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:48.059 Yeah, they have 2 selections in 2 consecutive days. 393 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:49.319 So decreasing numbers. 394 00:17:49.380 --> 00:17:50.339 I know. 395 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.980 It's like if we're doing this, I mean, how can this village just 396 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:56.700 sustain itself, you know, there are, there is nowhere else, which 397 00:17:56.700 --> 00:18:01.079 when they talk about, oh, you know, they're strangers. 398 00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:04.140 But how do they know what a stranger is if everybody in the 399 00:18:04.140 --> 00:18:06.839 village knows everybody in the village and there is nobody else? 400 00:18:06.900 --> 00:18:10.079 So there's a few little things like that that I always kind of 401 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:13.019 again, it's my little thing of, yeah, does it really sit more with 402 00:18:13.019 --> 00:18:13.200 me? 403 00:18:13.259 --> 00:18:17.339 You've also got the model shots into the village and end of the 404 00:18:17.339 --> 00:18:19.380 tower and there's model shots. 405 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:22.920 You know, the big mistake and they did it last week is having 406 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.279 those little foamy architect tiny trees. 407 00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:27.299 Oh thank you. 408 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:28.740 That's what it is. 409 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:29.940 That's what it is. 410 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.039 They had them around the starliner as well. 411 00:18:32.099 --> 00:18:32.880 They just look awful. 412 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.460 That shot just doesn't work, you know? 413 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:39.059 This one shot of the tower at night, which I think works quite 414 00:18:39.059 --> 00:18:39.299 well. 415 00:18:39.420 --> 00:18:42.359 Yeah, yeah, the night shot at the tower is nice. 416 00:18:42.420 --> 00:18:45.420 Something I found out about model work recently, which I think 417 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:48.420 could have been used to great effect on Doctor Who. when you have 418 00:18:48.420 --> 00:18:51.960 spaceships taking off and whatnot, is something that Jerry 419 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:55.859 Anderson used to do in Super Marination series, which is if you 420 00:18:55.859 --> 00:18:58.799 have a vehicle taking off like a plane would normally take off 421 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.980 going along a runway, what you have is you have a stationary 422 00:19:01.980 --> 00:19:06.299 camera, you have a treadmill made up to look like the runway. 423 00:19:06.420 --> 00:19:10.380 And behind that, you have a treadmill turned on its side with the 424 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:12.059 skycloth on it. 425 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:16.559 So you move the ground at one rate, you move the sky slower, and 426 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:20.940 then you just have the model in place and lift the model off and 427 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:21.720 move it out of shot. 428 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:26.220 And yeah, it gives you a parallax effect, similar to scene sync, as 429 00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:28.079 we discussed. a few weeks ago. 430 00:19:28.140 --> 00:19:32.039 The funny thing is the model itself of the ship. looks great. 431 00:19:32.099 --> 00:19:34.740 But yeah, it's just not shot terribly well. 432 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.619 And I think another problem is the village just looks too small 433 00:19:37.619 --> 00:19:38.339 next to it. 434 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:42.900 Like, I know they're trying to dwarf it, but that means you also 435 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:44.880 lose detail and they just look like monopoly houses. 436 00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:45.779 Yeah, yeah. 437 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:47.099 No, it's not a good model. 438 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:50.460 And the when later on when the ship takes off. 439 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:51.119 Wow. 440 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:52.980 It's really, terribly bad. 441 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:54.240 It's a firework, isn't it? 442 00:19:54.299 --> 00:19:54.779 Yeah. 443 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:55.500 Okay. 444 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:57.420 I don't see space green, by the way. 445 00:19:57.480 --> 00:19:58.440 Do we know? 446 00:19:58.500 --> 00:20:00.240 No, I don't think they ever explain. 447 00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:01.319 It's just different. 448 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:02.400 Do they intend it to be green? 449 00:20:02.460 --> 00:20:02.880 Yes. 450 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:03.900 Yeah, that is deliberate. 451 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.140 So I thought that was part of the picture distortion when I was a 452 00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:07.319 kid. 453 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.240 Because this is the only one I had on video as a child. 454 00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:13.380 And when night falls on this planet, it's a slightly greenish. 455 00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:13.740 Yes. 456 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:15.599 That's because the sky's green in e-space. 457 00:20:15.660 --> 00:20:17.700 I'm gonna thought about it. 458 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.640 I think deeply about these things. 459 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.640 The cliffhangers are interesting. 460 00:20:23.700 --> 00:20:27.720 The 1st cliffhanger is really not a cliffhanger at all. just a 461 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.420 whole heap of flying bats, you know, the servants are going out. 462 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:32.339 It's atmospheric. 463 00:20:32.460 --> 00:20:33.359 I kind of like that. 464 00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:35.099 But it's a fake out. 465 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:36.779 Yeah, it's not exactly peril. 466 00:20:36.900 --> 00:20:40.559 The 2nd one is I am Orcon. welcome to my domain. 467 00:20:40.619 --> 00:20:41.579 I think it's great. 468 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:42.599 Yeah, I do too. 469 00:20:42.660 --> 00:20:45.000 You know, with the music and that heartbeat and all that sort of 470 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:45.299 stuff. 471 00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:48.900 And the 3rd one, of course, is with Romana and Adric under attack 472 00:20:48.900 --> 00:20:51.839 from Zargo. 473 00:20:51.900 --> 00:20:54.839 You know, I think it's great that throws the knife to stop him and 474 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:58.019 shows that he's not just under their influence. 475 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:02.279 So I think the character here, they use the character well in that 476 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:07.980 he's in there, but he's really not buying it, whereas Quip said 477 00:21:07.980 --> 00:21:11.759 later on, like in Water Doomsday in particular, he falls under 478 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:13.559 monarch spell, but it's so stupid. 479 00:21:13.619 --> 00:21:18.180 I mean, in a sense, it is hard to tell where his allegiances lie 480 00:21:18.180 --> 00:21:19.019 for the audience. 481 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.859 It's not played very well and he does need to explain at the end 482 00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.160 you know, no, I was just going along with them and Romana says, yes 483 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:27.000 I know, you know. 484 00:21:27.059 --> 00:21:28.440 Like it's not that well done. 485 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:31.559 I do think that's effective. in this occasion, but I agree later 486 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:32.819 on in Florida Doomsday. 487 00:21:32.940 --> 00:21:38.279 That 2nd cliffhanger, welcome to buying domain, that wasn't the 488 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:39.420 cliffhanger in the script. 489 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:39.960 Really? 490 00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:41.819 Episode 2 was underrunning. 491 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:43.259 Episode 3 was overrunning. 492 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:47.460 The original Cliffhanger for episode 2 is the doctor opening up 493 00:21:47.460 --> 00:21:49.619 the tanks and saying it's blood. 494 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:51.299 Yeah, you can tell in blood. 495 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:52.380 That's... 496 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:52.980 You're right. 497 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:53.759 Yeah. 498 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:54.299 Yeah. 499 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.539 The sequence running time, whatever. 500 00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.039 Welcome to my domain. 501 00:21:59.099 --> 00:22:02.460 That works as an excellent cliffhanger because they've been 502 00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:03.119 snooping around. 503 00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:04.920 They've been completely unobstructed. 504 00:22:04.980 --> 00:22:08.339 And suddenly the guy we know is the most scary of the 3 villains 505 00:22:08.339 --> 00:22:09.000 has found them. 506 00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:11.579 But, you know, I like all those sets. 507 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:12.900 I like the throne room. 508 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:13.920 I like the catacombs. 509 00:22:13.980 --> 00:22:18.059 I like when he's going up the turret, you know, and the way in 510 00:22:18.059 --> 00:22:22.140 which the new technology and the sort of the Gothic has come into 511 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:22.440 it. 512 00:22:22.500 --> 00:22:24.480 It just all adds to the atmosphere of this. 513 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:29.700 The red of the throne room and the corridors in the in the tower 514 00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:33.119 is just terrific and, you know, it's blood again. 515 00:22:33.180 --> 00:22:36.480 Do you like Kelmar's little hidey hole? 516 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:37.859 His little technicothica. 517 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:39.720 Which reminds me of something. 518 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:46.440 A TARNIS does a short hop from the forest into his Heidi hole just 519 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:47.460 because the doctor can do it. 520 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:51.420 It's one of these things that in the 1980s, I think. becomes a 521 00:22:51.420 --> 00:22:52.140 standard thing. 522 00:22:52.259 --> 00:22:53.940 A trope that I think is... 523 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.920 Well, the tardis is becoming more of a thing. 524 00:22:55.980 --> 00:23:00.000 You know, like the Tartar was always initially just a plot device 525 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.200 to get us to the story. 526 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:04.559 And, you know, like in the early years, they'd have to kind of 527 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:07.500 separate the dog from the Tartar, so he'd leave immediately, you 528 00:23:07.500 --> 00:23:08.819 know, and not have an adventure. 529 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:12.240 And then eventually the doctor decided that having adventures with 530 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.460 his thing and so they didn't need to do that anymore. 531 00:23:14.579 --> 00:23:17.940 And, you know, eventually he'll be able to pilot the TARDIS more 532 00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:19.319 or less accurately. 533 00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:23.880 So, here, we're getting to the stage where the TARDIS is actually 534 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:25.079 I think he goes back to it. 535 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:28.200 You know, they were carrying it around the Marshman last week. 536 00:23:28.259 --> 00:23:30.119 We're going to use it as a battering ram. 537 00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:33.240 You know, it actually becomes more of a character. 538 00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:34.079 Hmm. 539 00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:38.099 It reminds me of the scene in the TARDIS where he's having to find 540 00:23:38.099 --> 00:23:41.039 out about the history of the great vampires and such. 541 00:23:41.099 --> 00:23:45.599 And we're now introducing another backstory to Gallifrey, and the 542 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:49.680 fact that this giant vampire has escaped into e-space. 543 00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:54.839 I don't think it necessarily, in this instance, has a major impact 544 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.779 on the casual viewer that it's something from the doctor's past 545 00:23:57.779 --> 00:24:03.180 but it's the 1st in that list of, you know, something from 546 00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:03.900 before. 547 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.859 And then Tom gets that ticket tape, like the old cash register 548 00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:11.880 role, and he just goes, it's so unconvincing in that one sequence 549 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:12.900 when he pulls it out. 550 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.039 Are you objecting to it being something from the time wards past? 551 00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:19.680 No, not necessarily, but I think it's something they're going to 552 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:24.420 fall back in the trap of, you know, the time Lord's getting known 553 00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:25.140 and other things. 554 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.940 I don't I don't, you know. 555 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:32.519 I mean, The show's had to introduce those things like Omega in the 556 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.619 10th season and things like that. 557 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:35.759 I don't have a problem with it. 558 00:24:35.819 --> 00:24:40.680 You know, it is there, but it is another thing that's very 1980s 559 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:40.980 to me. 560 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:41.579 Yeah. 561 00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:43.799 It ups the stakes, I guess. 562 00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:45.359 Boom, boom. 563 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:49.559 That was totally deliberate. 564 00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:51.420 But that's the thing. 565 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.420 It's kind of word perilly. 566 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.339 Like, it doesn't really add anything. 567 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.059 It's the only thing that's available, though, because you've got 2 568 00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:02.160 timelines in the cast. you know what I mean? 569 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:05.640 Like, it can't be a, you know, the Earth people thought the great 570 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:09.720 vampires in a great spacewalk, because no one's from Earth, and so 571 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:10.380 no one would care. 572 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:15.779 No, I think it works in that respect and having him in e-space as 573 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.079 well. like to get away from the time lords, where else you, you 574 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.660 think to shoot them all over space and time. 575 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:25.440 Yeah, so this really does work very well to have it have it here 576 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:25.859 in this story. 577 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.920 There's a wonderful conversation between Lala and Tom. 578 00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:30.059 Is it the hermit? 579 00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:32.099 Up the mountains of South Galafray. 580 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.140 Might be in the cell, very difficult. 581 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:34.500 Yes. 582 00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:37.440 I like the bit when they're in the throne room and the doctor 583 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.359 tells Romana, but she's wonderful. 584 00:25:39.420 --> 00:25:40.380 Oh, yes. 585 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:40.619 Sorry. 586 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:41.819 That's the one I'm thinking of. 587 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.920 She just does that big giant smile. 588 00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:50.400 And of course, Romana, I found the inspection hatch because she 589 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:51.720 just found it. yeah. 590 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:57.240 That scene in the settleboat. that also the scene where Tarik 591 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:58.079 played by... 592 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.859 A BBC press on beard stuck onto the following actor. 593 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.980 Is Tara the one that keeps rescuing them? 594 00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:07.980 Yeah, Fame Betney hits Tom Baker in the face with the door. 595 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.900 That's not deliberate, is it? 596 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.240 It's not deliberate. 597 00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:15.000 It is an accident, and Tom takes a few seconds to recover. 598 00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:18.299 And because obviously what's meant to happen is he's meant to 599 00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:22.559 burst in the door and Lala's just meant to stroll out casually. 600 00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:25.319 And I think Tom is meant to be behind the door, but he's also 601 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:29.039 meant to come out because the same bet he sort of looks to his 602 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.119 left to react. 603 00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:31.920 Tom's not there. 604 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:36.599 So he looks behind the door and Tom bursts out. they walk out and 605 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:37.859 Tom sort of rubbing his nose. 606 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:38.519 I'm like, oh. 607 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:39.599 Wow. 608 00:26:39.660 --> 00:26:43.140 I feel bad about laughing at that last night actually now. 609 00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:45.000 Well, you know, it's funny. 610 00:26:45.059 --> 00:26:45.900 And that's the thing. 611 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.259 Tom would have thought, oh, you know, this will look like a joke. 612 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.920 Let's keep it in as a joke rather than me saying you've hit me. you 613 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:57.660 hit me in the face with a door, you Burke. with a stupid beard. 614 00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:04.859 What do you think of the giant vampires claw? 615 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.440 Do you know, it's better than the puppet? 616 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:08.640 The puppet is really bad. 617 00:27:08.700 --> 00:27:11.160 Like you see the puppet for just a second. 618 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:15.000 Like that little shot of the puppet under the tower over Kalma 619 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:15.900 screen thing. 620 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.599 Like it's terrible, but it's over quite quickly. 621 00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:20.339 So it's sort of all right. 622 00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:26.099 Yeah, whereas it should remind you of a Zaal, you know, they've 623 00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:28.859 decided to keep it cheap by not hiring another actor, but it's 624 00:27:28.859 --> 00:27:30.720 like, really, I would have liked you to hire another actor. 625 00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:33.119 Don't forget how terrible Azar looked, though. 626 00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:35.640 Yeah, but he looks better than that puppet. 627 00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:39.720 Yeah, and then the whole... hand, the giant hand. spike coming 628 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:40.259 down into that. 629 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.140 Yeah, that is a bit crummy, isn't it? 630 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:44.460 It's a great concept. 631 00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:45.000 Yeah. 632 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.940 But what's not crummy is their deaths because of that. 633 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.039 It's terrifying, isn't it? 634 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:51.299 It's really protracted. 635 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.220 Yeah, as they age. 636 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:54.059 Yeah, yeah. 637 00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:54.900 I think... 638 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:56.039 Fantastic. 639 00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:59.819 The king looks like a skull head. 640 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.619 He just looks completely different. 641 00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:03.660 It's really something. 642 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:05.880 There's a sort of slow pan. 643 00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:09.240 Is't there across all 3 of them or something or a 3 shot where you 644 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.059 get to see them all and they all just look really great. 645 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:14.279 It's tremendous. 646 00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:17.940 And shortly after that, when the villagers turn up, there's a very 647 00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:20.339 interesting moment, which I think again is unscripted. 648 00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:25.140 Clinton Grain as Ivo walks up to the doctor and puts his hand on 649 00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:25.980 the doctor's shoulder. 650 00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:28.680 The doctor slaps it. 651 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.740 Like he raises his other hand and just whacks him one. 652 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:37.200 And from Clinton Green's reaction, I don't think that was the 653 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:37.619 doctor. 654 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.980 I think that was Tom saying, don't touch me for whatever reason 655 00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:44.099 because Clinton Green just looks really shocked at his hand and 656 00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:45.420 almost misses his next lie. 657 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.599 Isn't he going to thank the doctor for Kano? 658 00:28:48.660 --> 00:28:49.799 Because doesn't he have some? 659 00:28:49.859 --> 00:28:51.599 Yeah, because I'm confident that you're going to apologise. 660 00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:55.079 Yeah, the doctor says I think you should thank canine, but I don't 661 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.839 think the doctor's slapping his hand because he was rude about 662 00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:58.920 canine earlier. 663 00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:00.059 It doesn't come across that way. 664 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.460 It comes across as Tom having a difficult day I'm like, don't 665 00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:02.700 touch me. 666 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.619 Kino's very good in this. 667 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.400 He does attack very well. 668 00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:11.279 And there's that rousing speech from Henry V that the doctor makes 669 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.799 up, which I thought was pretty excellent. 670 00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:18.359 Tom and Lala are having bad days on set here. 671 00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:21.480 Yeah, I think this is around the time where they were kind of 672 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.880 getting back together-ish kind of thing. 673 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.779 And the way Peter Moffatt describes it is, you know, we'd have one 674 00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:30.779 day on location, where they won't look at each other, even on 675 00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:32.880 camera, and that's where they're standing around outside the 676 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:33.240 diners. 677 00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:36.000 And if you watch, they do not look at each other during their 678 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:36.539 dialogue. 679 00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:40.079 You can't tell from the way they're saying their words that they 680 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:42.599 hate each other at the moment, but yeah, they won't look at each 681 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:42.839 other. 682 00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:45.900 You can see Tom doing that with Louise all the time. 683 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.380 But Peter Moffatt says, as soon as we got into the studio, it was 684 00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:50.279 sweetness and light. 685 00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:53.819 It's not a liberty for me to say what happened between them two. 686 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.299 But yeah, it looks like between the location shoot and the studio 687 00:29:57.299 --> 00:29:58.019 session. 688 00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:59.339 They'd gotten back together. 689 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.359 And Tom had to have his hair permed. 690 00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:05.220 Yeah, looked terrible. 691 00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:10.079 Well, this story was broadcast late in 1980. 692 00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:12.539 Viewing figures aren't great still. 693 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:16.619 Like 5.800000 for the 1st episode and all the others are less, one 694 00:30:16.619 --> 00:30:17.640 which is only at 4.4. 695 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.339 I give this show another year. tops. 696 00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.740 So up to the end of this story. 697 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.980 Only one episode of this season is inside the top 100. 698 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.059 And about another 2 inside the top, 110, it really is. 699 00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:32.160 That bad. 700 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.660 People watch the hell out of season four, who go figure. 701 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.960 No, actually quite like season four. 702 00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:42.720 And the weird thing is, you know, I wouldn't say that the 703 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:43.740 quality's dropped off. 704 00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.579 I wouldn't say that the acting, I think the acting's actually 705 00:30:47.579 --> 00:30:51.180 improved across the board, to be honest. on average. 706 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.480 No, I think the quality's higher than I'm always conflicted 707 00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:58.740 because season 17 is so great, but I think season 18 looks just 708 00:30:58.740 --> 00:30:59.519 vastly better. 709 00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:02.519 You know, for a long time, I think people thought you had to like 710 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:03.119 one or the other. 711 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.339 I'm allowed to like both. 712 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:06.539 You're allowed to like both. 713 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.079 But that's gonna make my life so much less complicated. 714 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.519 This is a safe place. 715 00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:17.400 And also, this was the last show broadcast in 1980, because they 716 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:19.859 took a season break before going onto Warrior's Gate. 717 00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:20.700 Oh really? 718 00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:21.420 Yeah, yeah. 719 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.500 So, um, state of decay was broadcast in. 720 00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:26.400 November, December. 721 00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:29.640 Yep, November, December, and Warriors Gate came back in the 722 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:30.720 January of 1981. 723 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.380 I didn't realise, so they were like trapped in e-space over 724 00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:34.680 Christmas. 725 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:36.359 Yeah, must have been miserable. 726 00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:40.680 And, you know, that was pretty standard. it had happened before. 727 00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:44.160 Yeah, and I think it last happened in season 15 or 16. 728 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.160 They decided not to delay Horns of Nime on it. 729 00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:49.380 They broadcast that over Christmas, possibly because they didn't 730 00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:51.359 have another story to go on to after that. 731 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:56.400 But yeah, that kind of season break wouldn't happen again. until 732 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.079 2011. 733 00:31:58.259 --> 00:32:00.059 Series 6? 734 00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:01.500 In fact. 735 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.579 Are you sure? 736 00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:04.680 Yes, I am. 737 00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:09.000 Well, unless unless you count, um, um, Russell T's season's 738 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.940 usually breaking for Eurovision, spending one week off the 739 00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:12.480 Eurovision. 740 00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:13.859 Oh, season 7 broke. 741 00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:15.180 Oh, season 6 did it first. 742 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.880 And then season 7 did it again over a longer period. 743 00:32:17.940 --> 00:32:18.900 Over a longer period. 744 00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:20.819 Gosh, we're hard done by, aren't we? 745 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.319 And we don't get a whole season this year. 746 00:32:22.859 --> 00:32:25.740 It's very, very cruel deprivation. 747 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.599 I can't believe they treat us like this. 748 00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:34.920 The whole thing about the 3 who rules name going from their real 749 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.200 names into Orcon Zago and Camilla. 750 00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:39.000 I'm never convinced by that. 751 00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:40.380 Like when they start doing it. 752 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:44.220 I understand the concept, but I, as Romana does it, I just kind of 753 00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:45.960 go, there's a bit of a jump. 754 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:47.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 755 00:32:47.099 --> 00:32:48.660 Well, the vowels change and stuff as well. 756 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.900 And in fact, O'Connor's consonants don't soften at all. 757 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:52.680 They're identical. 758 00:32:52.740 --> 00:32:54.779 He just drops the last syllable. 759 00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:56.579 And Camilla again. 760 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.220 She just drops the 1st syllable on the last letter. 761 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:03.119 It's not actually an example of Grim's law in effect in any way at 762 00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:03.420 all. 763 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:09.539 So, like Grimm's law explains why, you know, the Latin word pata 764 00:33:09.539 --> 00:33:12.779 meaning father becomes our English word father, you know, like 765 00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:16.079 eventually the P turns into an F. But there's no example of that 766 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:17.099 at all. 767 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.240 No, yeah, it's still recognisable, but that would happen. 768 00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:24.119 Like if you if you look at Chaucer or any sort of middle English 769 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:25.079 literature like that. 770 00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:28.440 And, you know, life is written LYF. 771 00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:33.299 So it's still the same, still the same kind of sound, but it was 772 00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:36.059 more pronounced like lif, you know. 773 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.160 So that's the great vowel shift. 774 00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:40.859 Yeah, that's that's, I mean, it's not a consonant thing. 775 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.599 So he kind of pulls it out of, you know, yeah, and it is almost 776 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.319 certainly bid me trying to teach us a valuable lesson about 777 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.539 historical linguistics or something. 778 00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.980 Yeah, you can sometimes tell the bits that bit means grafted onto 779 00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:58.380 a script, usually because the plot comes to a hold. 780 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:03.059 It's interesting that you move back to Big Mead because by going 781 00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:06.180 back to a much earlier version of his script, I think his 782 00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.200 influence is far less. 783 00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:11.400 It's really just the CVE stuff, that which we're just talking 784 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:11.820 about. 785 00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.840 And the stuff with perhaps the scanner and Kalmar, that sort of 786 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.280 thing might be his stuff. 787 00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:22.139 Like, you know, far less of an influence on this story than the 788 00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:22.559 rest of the season. 789 00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:27.420 Yeah, we've had scientists in every single story so far, if you 790 00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:31.019 include Kalmar, and that's not what Doctor Who normally does. 791 00:34:31.380 --> 00:34:36.000 It's interesting that it is continuing to build on the power of 792 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:36.659 the individual. 793 00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:39.780 You, of course, have the doctor and Romana in each of these 794 00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:42.059 stories coming in and making a difference, but you have 795 00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:48.420 individuals, you have a harden and you have charis in Megloss sort 796 00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:49.440 of fighting to make a difference. 797 00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:54.179 You have the deciders literally making the 1st decision that makes 798 00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:58.199 a difference in their culture for 40,000 generations or 40,000 799 00:34:58.199 --> 00:34:59.579 years, I think it is. 800 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.880 I actually didn't mention it, but I love how you don't see it. 801 00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:06.179 Like the 2 remaining deciders are staring at each other. 802 00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:09.539 And for one horrible moment, I actually found myself thinking, oh 803 00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:10.800 they're not really going to decide. 804 00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:12.539 They're just going to keep going. 805 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:13.619 They're like repairing things. 806 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:18.960 In this story, the peasants just need someone to lead them or 807 00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:20.760 someone to say, yes, you're doing the right thing. 808 00:35:20.820 --> 00:35:21.659 Go, go, go. 809 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.780 But also this season, what you've had is warnings about what 810 00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:28.440 happens when you allow stagnation. 811 00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.260 And we've talked about stagnation previously. 812 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.099 So the argolans have stagnated because they can't reproduce. 813 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:40.440 And Meglos has stagnated because, you know, he can't get out into 814 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.420 the universe, but also because he wants to rule the universe. 815 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.699 That's why he stagnates that he's unimaginative. 816 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.699 I also think, you know, Tigella stagnates because of 817 00:35:47.699 --> 00:35:50.280 obstructionism. 818 00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:52.980 Because of Edward Undertown. 819 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.519 No, because of obstructionist religious people. 820 00:35:56.579 --> 00:35:58.619 Oh, with fabulous hair. 821 00:35:58.679 --> 00:35:59.760 With fabulous hair. 822 00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:01.079 We didn't mention her wig. 823 00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:02.280 No, we did. 824 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:03.420 A giant gray braid. 825 00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.519 Buffon platty. 826 00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:09.780 It's interesting how different season 18 is, but how it's carrying 827 00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:13.800 on the same themes, which I imagine were prevalent in society at 828 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:14.039 the time. 829 00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:17.340 It's inherent in the premise of an action adventure show, really. 830 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:18.000 Do you know what I mean? 831 00:36:18.059 --> 00:36:21.420 Like the doctor has to arrive, something has to be wrong and it 832 00:36:21.420 --> 00:36:25.860 needs to be fixed and very frequently, you know, in Doctor Who. 833 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.460 It's been something's been wrong with the society, the way the 834 00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:30.599 society's constituted. 835 00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:33.659 You know, there are too many dress wearing pacifists who don't 836 00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:38.400 like the Vietnam War in this society or, you know, the taxes are 837 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.159 too high or something like that and the doctor comes and sort of 838 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:41.639 fixes it. 839 00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:46.260 Oh, some mad computer has stolen your golden race bank things and 840 00:36:46.260 --> 00:36:52.199 just protecting them under a sword and a CSO. 841 00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:52.980 What happened in that one? 842 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:53.699 don't know. 843 00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:54.360 What's that one? 844 00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:55.199 I don't recall. 845 00:36:56.820 --> 00:37:01.679 My favourite so far of this season and I bet it's not your 846 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:02.760 favourite by the end of the season. 847 00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:03.960 That is correct. 848 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.460 I don't think you're allowed to say each one's my favourite so 849 00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:08.760 far. 850 00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:11.400 But I think you're planning to. aren't you? 851 00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:12.420 No, I'm not. 852 00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:15.059 I think there was a season where you did that. 853 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:15.780 Is it? 854 00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:17.280 This is my absolute favourite. 855 00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:19.980 But I absolutely adore... 856 00:37:20.099 --> 00:37:22.380 I absolutely dore Tom's outfit from here on in. 857 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.119 And it's this older doctor whose time is fast approach in the end 858 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:31.320 even though I don't necessarily realise it as a viewer at this and 859 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.340 it really ultimately adds to the feeling of this season, a passing 860 00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:35.820 of time. 861 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.119 And, uh, a moving board of the show. 862 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:47.159 If I was a vampire, I'd scrunch my fingers up, like Camilla. 863 00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:50.639 I think she's fabulous. 864 00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:53.579 I think she's the best vampire ever. on television. 865 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.820 It's not the way Orcon has to sort of keep them under control 866 00:37:56.820 --> 00:37:59.880 because they're ready to pounce and he's got to just pacify them 867 00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:00.059 back. 868 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.320 God damn it, kids. 869 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.380 Well, our necks are feeling a little dry as we depart the Planet 870 00:38:22.380 --> 00:38:23.639 of the Vampire Lords. 871 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.699 Please come back next week when we take on one of my favourite 872 00:38:26.699 --> 00:38:28.860 stories, Warrior's Gate. 873 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.039 You can find us online at FlightthroughEntirety.com, flight 874 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.579 through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on 875 00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:35.940 Twitter. 876 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.679 Similarly, there are no vampires in our James Bond commentaries 877 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:44.519 over on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and 878 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.079 Bondfinger cast on Twitter. 879 00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:50.099 Until next time, if any of you know what the wasting actually is 880 00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:53.159 please write in and tell us, but until then, thank you very much 881 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:54.119 for listening and good night. 882 00:38:54.179 --> 00:38:55.019 Good night. 883 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:55.679 See you soon. 884 00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:05.159 Backwards, flight through entirety with Todd Bielby, Nathan 885 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:06.539 Bottomley, and Brendan Jones. 886 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.780 This episode, why is E Space Green, was recorded on February the 887 00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:13.980 20th, 2016? 888 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.619 The next episode will be released on May 1st. 889 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.119 I don't know if you've ever given this much thought, but... 890 00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:22.320 You're wonderful. 891 00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:35.280 I, um, I do recommend if you've got, like, two hours to spare and 892 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.679 want something mindless, lesbian vampire killers. 893 00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:40.860 Matthew Horn and James Corden and Paul McGann. 894 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.800 Yeah, I think you've mentioned it before. 895 00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:47.880 Yeah, it's the film where I suddenly realised that since 1996, Paul 896 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.800 Magann's just been playing the same character in every movie. 897 00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:53.639 So I, how do we construe lesbian vampire killers? 898 00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:56.519 Is it people who kill lesbian vampires? 899 00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:58.260 or is it lesbians who kill vampires? 900 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.500 No, it's it's straight people killing lesbian vampires. 901 00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:03.539 I like the other way around, much better, I think. 902 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:04.079 Yeah. 903 00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:08.340 I guess the presence of James Corden, who's unlikely to be cast as 904 00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:10.980 a lesbian probably, is the big giveaway. 905 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.639 You're going to listen to the big new big finish audio? 906 00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:16.019 State of decay too? 907 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.400 Electric boogaloo.