WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:36:53 1 00:00:30.899 --> 00:00:41.520 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast, made up of three Silicon Chips, specialising in Apple devices, architecture, and video game trivia. 2 00:00:41.579 --> 00:00:42.299 I'm Brendan. 3 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:42.960 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:43.020 --> 00:00:46.079 I'm a regional accent for this episode. 5 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:48.659 Good afternoon, everyone, wherever we are. 6 00:00:48.780 --> 00:00:54.299 And it seems like it's a welcome return to racism for Doctor Who, for to doomsday. 7 00:01:07.980 --> 00:01:11.280 So, the fourth member of the team is race, isn't it? 8 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:29.519 Now, we have a slightly different kind of racism this time in Doctor Who, in that we don't have white guys slathered in makeup to be other races, although we do have West Indian actors portraying indigenous Australian characters, not Kakuchi. 9 00:01:29.579 --> 00:01:31.379 He is played by an indigenous actor. 10 00:01:31.500 --> 00:01:36.480 But yeah, we kind of have to address that head on. 11 00:01:36.540 --> 00:01:38.459 So for doomsday. 12 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:50.939 First story recorded by Peter Davidson, a 2nd story broadcast, of course, because they had this idea that we need to get him into character before we show him being out of character in his 1st story. 13 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:53.280 What do we think about that? 14 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:56.159 I actually don't think it's a bad idea. 15 00:01:56.219 --> 00:02:19.319 I mean, one of the things about the post-regenerative trauma thing is that if the actor's taking a little while to kind of bed down his performance, um, you know, you can kind of forgive it because he's acting oddly, um, so it wasn't massively necessary because you've got, you know, 2.5 episodes of Pete lying in a cupboard essentially before he gets going. 16 00:02:19.860 --> 00:02:28.500 But here, you can actually see him working out what to do, and there are some things that he does here, that he later jettisons. 17 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:29.340 I hate. 18 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:38.879 I hate the bits where he goes out into the ship and he does these extravagant hand gestures to indicate how much he loves the technology. 19 00:02:38.939 --> 00:02:44.460 And then he comes in and calls Niss a young lady and says, you know, innovative, innovative stuff. 20 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:48.719 He's all writing off over 5 years of the 1970s. 21 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:51.780 I think he's pert for you. 22 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.539 That is a verb. 23 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:56.759 That is quite right, James. 24 00:02:58.860 --> 00:03:02.400 Another thing he jettisons is terrible puns. 25 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:08.219 He has quite a few terrible puns over the course of this story. 26 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:09.419 Do you think they're out living? 27 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:10.500 It is Terrence Dudley. 28 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:20.520 Um, I gather that it was Pete's idea and it just didn't really catch on and possibly the Nadir of it, which again ties in with the racism is I am Lin Fu too. 29 00:03:20.580 --> 00:03:21.900 I would never have guessed it. 30 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:23.639 You look in the best of health to me. 31 00:03:23.699 --> 00:03:25.020 That is so awful. 32 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.900 It's your racist grandfather joke. 33 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:29.939 Oh, except it is Bert Cook. 34 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:35.819 I mean, it is Peter Sellers, too, I see from all the Panther films. 35 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:36.780 So it is Koto. 36 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:38.520 So it's kind of expected. 37 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:40.439 And we're going to meta it. 38 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:45.900 And we should, of course, mentioned that as we record just a few days ago, Burt Cook has left us. 39 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.580 He's passed away. 40 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:58.500 And I did say to the FTE crew at the time, I do hope that somewhere up there, Peter Sellers is just waiting in a cupboard to get his revenge. 41 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:02.699 But yeah, but Bert's rather good in this, I have to say. 42 00:04:02.819 --> 00:04:04.680 I mean, rather... 43 00:04:04.740 --> 00:04:07.379 Well, then we own him because he's been in everything. been in every bond. 44 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:08.520 He's been in... 45 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:09.539 Avengers. 46 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:13.080 Speaking of whom, this is why this is actually one of lie. 47 00:04:13.139 --> 00:04:16.740 I'm sorry Todd's not here because he'd probably, he was saying similar things. 48 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:20.399 This is a secret guilty favourite of season 19. 49 00:04:20.579 --> 00:04:24.300 Isn't it exciting to have Billy Hartnell back as the doctor? 50 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:25.439 But just younger. 51 00:04:25.500 --> 00:04:26.100 It's Billy. 52 00:04:26.819 --> 00:04:27.959 He's doing Billy Ticks. 53 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.339 The Billy Humour stuff. 54 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:33.540 Even the MacGyver shtick that Pete wanted to keep in the bits of during the safety pins. 55 00:04:33.660 --> 00:04:35.459 MacGyver was created by Terry Nation. 56 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:36.360 Let's not forget. 57 00:04:36.420 --> 00:04:37.980 They're all billy ticks. 58 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:40.259 Yeah, absolutely. 59 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:48.959 And Davison wanted his doctor to be someone who solved problems with items he just happened to have in his pockets, which is why you get the string and the pencil and the cricket ball. 60 00:04:49.019 --> 00:04:51.779 Aphylactics, the reses, all that kind of thing here. 61 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:54.180 But are you doing sticks, yes. 62 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.699 Are you aware of another earlier Avengers connection? 63 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.160 Can we talk about mad scientist optometrists? 64 00:04:59.220 --> 00:05:06.720 Well, yes, Philip Locke, who plays bygone in this, is, of course, Dr. Primble in Venus with Love. 65 00:05:06.779 --> 00:05:08.399 But going back even early. 66 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:10.439 Tickles and menaces, Diana Riggs. 67 00:05:10.500 --> 00:05:13.259 Again, but as an optometrist, it makes no sense. 68 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:19.800 But going back even further to one of the surviving episodes of the Avengers season one. 69 00:05:19.860 --> 00:05:21.660 The Frighteners. 70 00:05:22.139 --> 00:05:34.139 Philip Locke is the henchman, employed by a man called the Deacon, who is in turn employed by a businessman played by Stratford Johns, who plays monarch. 71 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:38.819 So, yeah, 20 years old. 20 years on. 72 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:40.439 He's really terrible. 73 00:05:40.500 --> 00:05:41.639 Stratford John. 74 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:43.319 No, Stratford John's is brilliant. 75 00:05:43.379 --> 00:05:44.819 Philip Block is shockingly bad. 76 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:46.379 No, okay. point of difference here. 77 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:55.680 Well, there's that bit where he talks about the poison and he waves his arms around in this sort of just terrifically embarrassing way and he's always sort of wringing his hands and that kind of thing. 78 00:05:55.740 --> 00:05:58.860 He does the sort of dignified kind of stoic. 79 00:05:58.980 --> 00:06:03.540 Because he's trying to do all of that Socratic dialogue he with but not of stuff, isn't he? 80 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:05.879 He's trying to look distant without the enchantment. 81 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.060 He's literally the Greek chorus in this story. 82 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:10.439 No, that's not true. 83 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:15.420 The Greek chorus. is enlightenment, persuasion and monarch. 84 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:20.339 That's true Commenting on the action, which I just think is terrifically funny. 85 00:06:20.459 --> 00:06:21.899 It's one of the best things ever. 86 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:32.100 I love, you know, Stratford Johns asks the fabulous enlightenment, what love is, and she explains it, she explains that it's the exchange of 2 fantasies, majesty. 87 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:35.040 And you kind of go, that's the best difference. 88 00:06:35.339 --> 00:06:36.899 As yet. 89 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:38.160 Yeah. 90 00:06:38.220 --> 00:06:45.779 This is one of the ones that on paper looks terrifically right in how to write a classic Doctor Who story. 91 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:53.160 And I'm not just being flippant when I say this is exciting to have Billy back because season 19 feels so much like season one to me. 92 00:06:53.220 --> 00:06:54.180 It really does. 93 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:57.540 Like that's something, and we'll talk about this more as we go on. 94 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:01.019 I was amazed when I was rewatching it, looking at the connections between stories. 95 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:06.300 I know a lot of people kind of make fun of them for being forced and we'll talk about the end of this story later. 96 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.139 But at the same time, it does give you. 97 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.980 It does give you a much needed sense of reality. 98 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:21.899 And I say much needed because for the 1st time, we have 3 alien characters to one human character. 99 00:07:22.259 --> 00:07:29.040 You know, it's it's never happened before in the show that we've had more than a one-to-one ratio of human to alien. 100 00:07:29.100 --> 00:07:30.899 Or alien to human, rather. 101 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:36.300 And speaking of, conceptually, this story is amazing. 102 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:38.639 It is a bit like they are. 103 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:44.100 Just without the slavery. ray for slavery. satire caption. 104 00:07:44.220 --> 00:07:46.620 I miss my security kitchen. 105 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.699 We get the security mobiliary. 106 00:07:50.699 --> 00:07:51.779 And togers. 107 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:52.740 We still get to go on. 108 00:07:52.800 --> 00:08:03.000 The concept that you have all these androids who are replicants of humans on a generational ship. 109 00:08:03.060 --> 00:08:05.399 You know, that's quite high concept from Doctor Who. 110 00:08:05.459 --> 00:08:32.639 It starts to fall apart slightly when the audience realises, but the characters never seem to realise that most of the cultures represented either no longer exist in that form, or are sufficiently changed that, you know, even Lin Fu 2 would probably have trouble negotiating with the Chinese people as monarch expects him to do, and certainly Kakuchi. 111 00:08:32.940 --> 00:08:43.200 Unfortunately, you know, for the last 200 years when this story takes place, the indigenous people of Australia have not been in control of the continent. 112 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:45.779 No, isn't that fascinating? 113 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:54.179 You want to call this racist, there's actually lots of undercurrents that from an historical perspective, they talk about who writes history and at what point does history cut off? 114 00:08:54.240 --> 00:09:04.980 Because as you just point out, In fact, yes, if we can slice this like a Damian Hearst cow. and find all different flavours as we go back through the beans. 115 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:09.419 I've actually walked between that cow between the 2 halves in the tape bottom. 116 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.460 We haven't come to the companions. 117 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:18.000 So I actually think that, like we say it's racist, there are some unfortunate moments. 118 00:09:18.059 --> 00:09:24.299 It's the use of the word aborigine to refer to an aboriginal man, which is not racist as such. 119 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:25.379 It's just old-fashioned. 120 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:27.059 It was also, it was not uncommon. 121 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:27.840 Yeah, yeah. 122 00:09:27.899 --> 00:09:32.580 And the use of the word Chinaman twice, which I think is slightly embarrassing. 123 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:34.620 But it is well-intentioned. 124 00:09:35.460 --> 00:09:43.740 In that, it's non-European cultures, like all of the of the 4 cultures, only one guy is European. 125 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:45.360 The rest are all from different continents. 126 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.820 There are some unfortunate things about it. 127 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:53.279 So the sort of cultural appropriation thing is a little bit awkward and embarrassing. 128 00:09:53.340 --> 00:09:59.519 I actually just find myself cringing a little bit when the sacred sort of ceremonial dancing thing is happening. 129 00:09:59.580 --> 00:10:01.860 Have we mentioned colonialism yet? 130 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.379 Again, tick, Billy. 131 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:05.279 Yeah, yeah. 132 00:10:05.820 --> 00:10:16.679 Placeless ones, actually, too, with the way that the people are stored, but, oh, my God, in a way that you can freeze a thought. shrink people down and erase down. 133 00:10:16.740 --> 00:10:22.559 You can shrink the whole concept of a race down to a dance or a mask or a descriptor. 134 00:10:22.620 --> 00:10:24.779 Yeah, no, I think that's that's true. 135 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:34.740 And I also think that of the 4 cultures, the only one who gets a sort of really sympathetic representative is the white European guy. 136 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:37.559 And yeah, and cane toads in space. 137 00:10:37.620 --> 00:10:38.639 They get quite a. 138 00:10:38.700 --> 00:10:39.000 They do. 139 00:10:39.059 --> 00:10:41.100 Yeah, they're sympathetically portrayed, aren't they? 140 00:10:41.220 --> 00:10:42.360 As cane toads, definitely. 141 00:10:42.720 --> 00:11:00.779 Because, of course, the reason we get bygone as our, as our primary guest rebel character is, he says that Velagria, Kakuchi and Lin Futu have all been corrupted by the desire for power, because they're on European? 142 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:01.259 I don't know. 143 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.340 No, because Greek, ancient Athens, like Athens is a democracy. 144 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:08.700 So they're more advanced politically than these other cultures. 145 00:11:08.820 --> 00:11:13.740 Yeah, you know, so there is, so all of that stuff's unintentional and unfortunate. 146 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:19.919 I don't think it's consciously racist in the way that I think the arc is, you know, like deliberately racist. 147 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:20.940 Yes. 148 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:29.279 But can we go back to the idea that this is a Hartnell story because I want to argue against that really vociferously. 149 00:11:29.340 --> 00:11:30.000 Really? 150 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:30.539 Yeah. 151 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:47.639 The standard the standard thing about it being a Hartnell story is that the characters are exploring a world and discovering things about the world and we spend the 1st episode basically with the 4 regulars, you know, going around the place, interacting with the environment and gradually getting to know everyone. 152 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:48.779 I think that's fair enough. 153 00:11:48.840 --> 00:12:01.980 But, There's a thing about the 4 regulars that I really, really dislike, and I may as well get this off my chest during 4 doomsday so that I can go on and on about it at length over the next, you know, few weeks. 154 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:07.200 And that is, when we've had 4 characters for main characters in the past. 155 00:12:07.259 --> 00:12:14.940 The characters of all had definable kind of relationships with one another, so there was Barbara Ian and Susan. 156 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:19.740 There's Ben and Polly and Jamie, and they're all kind of relatable. 157 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:21.720 They're all identifiable. 158 00:12:21.779 --> 00:12:30.059 There's a really definite kind of attempt to make them people who are part of our world, who are put into the, you know, weird action adventure, fantasy series. 159 00:12:30.179 --> 00:12:39.059 Here, it's just, you know, like a bunch of people who've hung around inexplicably from previous episodes who really don't have anything very much to do with each other. 160 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:45.960 And certainly episode one where they're all wandering around that room spouting horrific techno battle at each other. 161 00:12:46.019 --> 00:12:50.100 It's something Hartner would have, you know, he would never have been able to say that. 162 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:51.899 He would have locked the doors and left. 163 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:55.980 But I think and he don't think he hasn't got form. 164 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.200 He's done it with his own family. 165 00:12:58.259 --> 00:13:03.539 This, um, you've just summed up why season 19 for all the glorious glossy bits. 166 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:10.860 We might as well just finish now because why it falls flat on its on its soft palate, you know? 167 00:13:10.980 --> 00:13:14.820 on its terrible accents because it's really, that's what it just keeps doing. 168 00:13:14.940 --> 00:13:20.639 And we can we keep talking about, can we just go, this one is and story arcing for season 19 before we start. 169 00:13:20.700 --> 00:13:26.820 But we talk about Doctor Who always being superior to other series because we had story arts and we had character development. 170 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:28.440 We don't get that in this season. 171 00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:31.259 And already these companions have been around. 172 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:32.399 We've known them since Tom. 173 00:13:32.460 --> 00:13:35.399 They don't seem to have developed a relationship with each other at all. 174 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:36.720 They're bickering. 175 00:13:36.779 --> 00:13:41.820 They're the only one that seems to be going there slightly is Adric, because he keeps giving Nissa the side EI. 176 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.120 Yeah, well, he's horrible to both, Mr. and Tegan. 177 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.700 I'm just sort of sexist and unpleasant for no reason. 178 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:57.179 And someone in the cast who picked up on this lack of development, and especially lack of character continuity between stories, was actually Matthew Waterhouse. 179 00:13:57.179 --> 00:13:58.559 And he raised it. 180 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:00.000 Later or at the time? 181 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:05.820 No, no, he, well, he says he raised it at the time and was sort of told, oh, look, just say the lines. 182 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:13.860 And we've talked about him sometimes being naive on the set, but he seems to have had the self-awareness to kind of go, okay, I know when I'm not going to win a battle. 183 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:23.159 But what he said in particular about 4 to doomsday. is that 1st of all, he kind of objected to the whole, he did object to the whole sexist dialogue thing. 184 00:14:23.220 --> 00:14:32.220 And I think that might be because, you know, when Adrik comes aboard the TARDIS, Roman is the smartest person on it, he never gives her any shift for being a woman. 185 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:35.340 You know, he never gives her any trouble for that. 186 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:36.240 He wouldn't dare. 187 00:14:36.299 --> 00:14:37.980 But the main... 188 00:14:37.980 --> 00:14:39.299 We would, actually, roots to him. 189 00:14:39.419 --> 00:14:42.480 Bitme didn't dare. you know, you'd soon try. 190 00:14:42.539 --> 00:14:43.559 I think that's the thing too. 191 00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:44.460 This is a very young cast. 192 00:14:44.580 --> 00:14:51.600 The main thing he objected to, though, for the character of Adrick was, the whole thing about going along with monarch. 193 00:14:51.659 --> 00:14:52.799 He kind of said, no, we've done this. 194 00:14:52.860 --> 00:14:59.039 We did this in the vampire one, and it's revealed at the end that he's actually just playing for time, but in this, there's no reveal of that. 195 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:02.639 And John Black. the next week as well, in fact. 196 00:15:02.700 --> 00:15:06.659 John Black or whoever it was just said to him, oh, just say the lines, Matthew. 197 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:13.559 And so the way Matthew started playing it was, he thought to myself, right, I'm not going to get any character continuity between stories. 198 00:15:13.620 --> 00:15:17.820 I would just try to make the logic of the story work in each story. 199 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:22.379 He's like, that's all I can do because I'm arguing that this happened last week and nobody cares. 200 00:15:22.500 --> 00:15:25.259 It's like watching Voyager with one 8th of the budget. 201 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.340 Which makes Adrick 7 of nine. 202 00:15:29.820 --> 00:15:33.120 I think one eighth of the budget. 203 00:15:33.179 --> 00:15:34.620 Exactly thinking that too. 204 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:36.899 Six of one, half a dozen of another, more like. 205 00:15:37.019 --> 00:15:43.139 Well, of course, Nicola Bryant, who we haven't got to yet, was on the short list for Captain Janeway. was 3rd choice. 206 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:43.799 No. 207 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:48.240 So it was Genevieve Bujol, who was who walked after 2 day shooting. 208 00:15:48.299 --> 00:15:50.100 Catherine Hepburn who was dead. 209 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.860 So they got Kate Mulgrew. 210 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.399 But yeah, Nicola Bryant, like got to the camera, got to the camera thing. 211 00:15:56.460 --> 00:15:57.000 Do we have that? 212 00:15:57.059 --> 00:15:57.600 Does that exist? 213 00:15:57.720 --> 00:15:58.980 I don't think it does. 214 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:00.360 I don't think it can you imagine? 215 00:16:00.419 --> 00:16:04.500 Can't we move to the nearby parallel universe in this cast? 216 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:05.159 I wanna live there. 217 00:16:05.220 --> 00:16:07.259 I thought you would have been lying. 218 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:16.080 But also, there's a Voyager video now, which is every utterance of some sort of or some kind of, and it gets into the 300s. 219 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:18.600 What are you doing? 220 00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:20.460 Yeah, what are you doing here? 221 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:23.340 But yeah, you know, so Matthew Waterhouse was thinking about as character. 222 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:29.279 And of course, at this stage, Sarah Sutton was going to be written out shortly and Peter Davidson campaigned for her to remain. 223 00:16:29.340 --> 00:16:31.679 So they had to keep paying Johnny Byrne to use her. 224 00:16:31.740 --> 00:16:33.659 Is that why they were going to ride around? 225 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:40.679 Well, that's why next week she's only at the beginning and at the end, because they'd already written Kinder not to feature her. 226 00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:41.159 Right. 227 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:43.080 And we're spending a lot of time. 228 00:16:43.139 --> 00:16:44.340 That's why she had the salt. 229 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.299 She's spending a lot of time in her room building vibrating devices. 230 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:49.320 Yeah, yeah, she is. 231 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:50.519 I had to get it. 232 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:51.899 More on that story later. 233 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.139 Back to 4 to Doomsday. 234 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:58.679 Monarch Enlightenment and Persuasion. 235 00:16:58.740 --> 00:17:00.299 A word on monarch. 236 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:11.700 Some viewers at the time may have recognised his character from a certain giant green frog in an animated series, namely Baron Greenback in Danger Mouse. 237 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:18.059 However, this was this was recorded before, but broadcast after Danger Mouse. 238 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.160 So any similarity is completely coincidental. 239 00:17:20.220 --> 00:17:23.279 Anyone who hasn't met Brendan, if you put him in a white skivvy. 240 00:17:23.339 --> 00:17:27.779 It's actually quite... 241 00:17:27.900 --> 00:17:31.380 The thing is, the voices are so, so very close. 242 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.779 When you were little, you were penfold, but you're bigger now. 243 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:34.200 Yes. 244 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:43.859 I did actually once buy a blue a blue chalk stripe suit to be Penfold because my boyfriend at the time was much taller and he wouldn't be Danger Mouse. 245 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:45.180 Which is why he's now dead. 246 00:17:46.380 --> 00:17:50.339 Annie Lambert, of course, it was bugging me where I recognised her from. 247 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:51.900 Richard, do you know where I recognise her from? 248 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:57.299 Well, I'm trying to remember her from that episode of the New Avengers, where she undresses Mike Gambit. 249 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:57.960 Correct. 250 00:17:58.019 --> 00:18:02.519 But she was also hanging about and she's kind of poor man's picnic at Hanging Rock, isn't she? 251 00:18:02.579 --> 00:18:13.259 But she's, um, gosh, she was in a lot of those British things looking wispy and lovely and about to, um, about to put on stockings and comport about in a Frenchy type romantic flick. 252 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:14.819 She was that sort of girl. 253 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:15.839 Is this the point? 254 00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:20.819 speaking of monarch and persuasion, but they were the names of Lenin's ministries of propaganda. 255 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:24.299 He had a ministry of enlightenment and a ministry of persuasion. 256 00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:32.819 And it was the, um, it was the ladder that put the money up for Serjai Eisenstein's career, which is why we have Ptyemka, and things like that. 257 00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:42.180 So not quite at the German period of film, but we are actually back at the Russian expression. 258 00:18:43.019 --> 00:18:48.059 And of course, monarch does say that a class system is essential for good government. 259 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:49.859 There's lots of little lines. 260 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:53.460 Yeah, there's lots of, which we think are all well, but they're actually men. 261 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:58.259 There's so many great ideas in this that just don't quite get pulled off. 262 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:02.039 And I do kind of blame Terence Dudley for that because. 263 00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:02.460 Do you though? 264 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:03.720 Because look at the Heartnell era. 265 00:19:03.779 --> 00:19:04.740 It's usually direction. 266 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:07.319 Yeah, John Black is not good. 267 00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:08.819 I mean, that's a lie. 268 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:09.539 That's not true. 269 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:10.680 There are some great moments. 270 00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:16.079 I love the bit, like the monopolican point of view shots where the hat goes on the monopolican and comes off. 271 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:17.759 There's some beautiful lighting. 272 00:19:17.819 --> 00:19:19.019 I think the lighting is great. 273 00:19:19.140 --> 00:19:20.640 I think the sets are terrific. 274 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:28.559 But as Todd observed in our canine and company commentary, He does have a huge obsession with people going through doors. 275 00:19:28.619 --> 00:19:29.460 Yes. 276 00:19:29.460 --> 00:19:30.960 Oh, yeah, he does. 277 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:32.880 Yeah, he does. 278 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.460 I got horribly drunk doing that. 279 00:19:35.940 --> 00:19:39.299 I gave up counting after 20 doors on this button. 280 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.839 What I do love about the doors on this one is how they light up before they open. 281 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:44.279 You don't even get that on Star Trek. 282 00:19:44.339 --> 00:19:45.660 But my favourite thing. 283 00:19:45.660 --> 00:19:47.700 And, you know, this is a heart and all thing. 284 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:49.019 Very early on. 285 00:19:49.140 --> 00:19:51.299 Tegan goes, look. 286 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.480 And then 5 seconds later, the door lights up and opens. 287 00:19:54.539 --> 00:20:02.759 It's the procognizance of the heart, the lira going, look, a special effect is about to happen because I can see someone's shadow behind the set. 288 00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:12.960 Oh, the problem is that we look at the things that we loved about Billy's era and Patty's actually where I think that all became more cohesive. 289 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:18.240 And the team, I think, is trying to feel more like the trout, the crew. 290 00:20:18.420 --> 00:20:20.759 But there's no cohesion. 291 00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:21.539 No. 292 00:20:21.539 --> 00:20:40.440 And there's no love and and just think that I can, maybe we can blame neo-conservative politics, ragonomics, statonomics, maybe we can just blame the Cold War and the threat of a new illness that really did, we did think it was going to lob a 3rd of the population, more of that when we get to visitation. 293 00:20:40.500 --> 00:20:42.359 But, you know, the HIV virus. 294 00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:44.279 It did look like it was going to kill a lot of people. 295 00:20:44.339 --> 00:20:45.660 Um, and it did. 296 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:52.920 But, That's no reason to put all of that into a family television program. 297 00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:58.500 I just, I really think it's just the inaptitude and I'm going to blame the script editor. 298 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:00.599 I blame the producer, actually. 299 00:21:00.660 --> 00:21:02.099 I think it comes from on high. 300 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:06.000 Except that we have the same producer as last year and last year was great. 301 00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:07.259 You know. 302 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:09.359 But last year wasn't great for character. 303 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:14.279 You did have some strong established cast members. 304 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:19.920 And they argued against the production values of a coming down from the bridge. 305 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:21.420 They weren't going to do. 306 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:22.740 They weren't going to play it the way. 307 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.200 You know, it's like Bala was saying, we need some jokes here. 308 00:21:25.259 --> 00:21:26.819 Chris and John. 309 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:28.500 We actually this needs to be fun for the little kids. 310 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:29.279 Yeah. 311 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:41.819 And can I just say, I did have this one on video as a child, but the opening scenes scared me. sort of the ship slowly moving through space, which is a crib from Alien, and it actually looks really good. 312 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:46.319 And the sort of darkened laboratory scared me as a kid and I would switch it off. 313 00:21:46.380 --> 00:21:48.539 When I finally got around to watching it. 314 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:53.400 The character quirks that Peter puts in here in his performance. 315 00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:57.180 I really wish he'd kept a few more of those. 316 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:05.160 And indeed, it's not entirely his fault because he was told, you know, tone down the humour, don't make jokes, don't make pums, we don't want you to be like Tom, et cetera, et cetera. 317 00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:09.180 And I think we do lose something there because he's awkward pums. 318 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:11.279 He knows they're awkward. 319 00:22:11.339 --> 00:22:17.700 He doesn't think, like, Peter doesn't think they're good jokes, but the doctor thinks they're good jokes, and it kind of makes him endearing. 320 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:19.319 Like, you're having a ball. 321 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:21.779 And you kind of get Adrocanist. 322 00:22:21.779 --> 00:22:23.640 I'll look at each other like, what's a pun? 323 00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:25.319 That works. 324 00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:26.640 That works. 325 00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:28.619 And it's a shame we didn't keep that on. 326 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:34.140 A characterisation element that doesn't work in this and we've touched on this before. 327 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:36.299 Is Tegan? 328 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:38.460 Oh, she's awful in this. 329 00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:51.839 And Tegan must get better, but that the panicky idiot crying and she's still doing her panto acting thing, which she she stops doing in the very next story, I would I would argue. 330 00:22:51.900 --> 00:22:57.539 Todd reckons Black Orchid once she has a few drinks on the crown least. said that as well, I agree. 331 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:58.680 It was black. 332 00:22:58.740 --> 00:22:59.880 Right now, yeah, right now. 333 00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:03.180 Yeah, it's her 2nd story and she's overacting horrifically. 334 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:09.119 And, and, you know, those scenes in the TARDIS, and I don't know why we have so many scenes in the TARDIS this season. 335 00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:12.119 You're not allowed to get off the ship without being in the big white room. 336 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:21.660 And those scenes are just embarrassing to watch, I think, with her sort of crying and laughing and kicking the manual and crying again. 337 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:22.200 Awful. 338 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:24.599 The one I the one I really have a problem with. 339 00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:26.819 And you know, we're trying to build a relationship with these characters. 340 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:34.259 We've just had Castra Valva, where the doctor had that lovely speech about, you are the navigator, you are the coordinator, you're the healer and all this. 341 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:35.579 That was nice, yeah. 342 00:23:35.579 --> 00:23:39.299 And, you know, what do we see between Tegan and Adrick in this story? 343 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:42.839 He is utterly a sexist pig to her. 344 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.000 She gives him a concussion. 345 00:23:45.059 --> 00:23:46.319 Oh, I love that. 346 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:49.440 She smacks him about and he knocks his head against something. 347 00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:51.119 We've met Janet Fielding at college. 348 00:23:51.180 --> 00:23:52.619 We're easy to believe. 349 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:53.940 Probably improvise. 350 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:55.259 She punched me in the face. 351 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.000 It was awesome. 352 00:23:57.059 --> 00:23:59.099 She kissed me on the cheek. 353 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:03.420 Did you know she did car ads in secret in Japan in the 1980s? 354 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:04.440 Did I know that? 355 00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:07.980 Did you know her hair was insured for $10,000? 356 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.039 Did you know she was actually Rachel McAdo? 357 00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:16.259 Mean girls, but they just shopped her face up, shocked, not shocked, thanks, yeah. 358 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:18.960 That's how powerful down the building. 359 00:24:19.259 --> 00:24:25.559 This scene is something I do have a bit of a problem with because, you know, Doctor Who's always been under fire for imitable violence. 360 00:24:25.619 --> 00:24:34.019 And yet one of the regulars throwing the other regular into something and knocking him unconscious passes without comment. 361 00:24:34.019 --> 00:24:37.019 And I was like, you know, yes, he's being a pig to her. 362 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:43.019 But, This is a directly violent situation between 2 of the regulars and nobody comments on it. 363 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:45.059 Like, Adric doesn't say to the doctor, she knocked me out. 364 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.420 The doctor doesn't tell off Tegan for nicking the TARDIS. 365 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:56.400 The original concept here was that when they decided to keep Nissa, Tegan would feature in 3 stories. 366 00:24:56.460 --> 00:25:06.660 So Lucopoulos, Castravalva, 4 to Doomsday, and she would do something in 4 to Doomsday where the doctor would be forced to say, listen, you cannot act like this if we are to work together. 367 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:09.480 You stay or you go your choice. 368 00:25:09.539 --> 00:25:12.779 We have the setup for that, but no payoff. 369 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:14.579 Why do you think they didn't happen? 370 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.319 I honestly don't know, because, you know, it was in the production document. 371 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:25.440 The only thing I can think of is, you know, this script comes in the awkward time between Anthony Root and Eric Saywood. 372 00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:28.019 I used to call it the dark times. 373 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.099 Dark times. 374 00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:32.640 Um, you know, so I think it was commissioned by Bidmead. 375 00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:40.259 Um, worked on by Anthony Root, and then, say, word came in, and and I don't often make excuses for say word. 376 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:43.019 I think fairly wanted to get on with the job he wanted to do. 377 00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:53.279 You know, it's a bit like when Andrew Cartmel comes in later, he kind of washes his hands of time in Iranian Paradise Towers because he's like, you know, I will do my, I will do my due diligence on them, but this is not my vision. 378 00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:59.759 I think Eric Say would, for better or for worse, possibly have that feeling about for the doomsday as well. 379 00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:03.420 I think it'd be better if he had very little to do with it. 380 00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:13.799 We will get to why I think this works at the end, but I want to hear what you're saying 1st because I don't want to just, you know, the opposite on many podcasts is not listening, it's waiting. 381 00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:17.700 I don't want that to be this episode. 382 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.359 I want to make it clear that I really actually like this story. 383 00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:22.799 You and I both. 384 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:29.039 And as fondly as I remember it as a 13 year old, I found it just as enjoyable and on other reasons. 385 00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:31.619 And the race isn't cut if we're going to come back to that. 386 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:44.400 Yeah, sure, but for 1982 when we were watching this, it was extraordinary seeing people being allowed to simply represent cultures as if it's a matter of course, and yet, it didn't feel, it didn't feel token to me. 387 00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:45.900 It felt like a ruse. 388 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:58.019 It was there to, yes, amuse themselves, but also, you know, as a way to, in the best possible way to affect political change under a mask. of appropriated culture. 389 00:26:58.140 --> 00:27:00.660 So they were being cute, but they were planning something. 390 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:08.339 Yeah, I think my over my overarching feeling about the story is it gets about 60% of where it wants to go. 391 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.519 Yeah, we have to fill in the gaps ourselves, don't we? 392 00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:11.940 Yeah. 393 00:27:11.940 --> 00:27:15.900 But also, just picking up on something, you said there, Richard. 394 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:24.299 I really enjoy seeing the other cultures here and I just wish their characters have been fleshed out more like Bygone's character. 395 00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:27.059 Unintended, but yes, they they... 396 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.380 Oh yeah, flesh time. 397 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:40.980 And, you know, it kind of means that at the end, when they're all happy and smiling, really artificially, like the end of Scooby-Doo, you... 398 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:48.000 Look, look, look at the dearly loved Bert Quok, you know, it's just, it's obvious, he's just been told, okay, smile at everyone. 399 00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:49.920 Okay, who do you want me to smile at first? 400 00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:51.299 Go, just smile at everyone. 401 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:56.519 So he is manically twisting his neck to make sure he gets a smile in at everyone before the end of the shot. 402 00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:58.619 It's a genius move. 403 00:27:58.680 --> 00:27:59.640 Have a look at it. 404 00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:08.819 The weird thing is, it doesn't feel unfinished in the same way that other 80s Doctor Who will feel unfinished, which is they feel visually unfinished and the paint's literally still drying. 405 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:26.099 This feels conceptually unfinished, which is a pity because monarch is a fascinating character and this whole idea he can travel faster than light and then he might meet God. wonderful high concept. 60s SF writing right there. a really good way. 406 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:36.779 You know, I kind of wish that they had, that they had gone faster than I, and that would be his hubris moment instead of just, oh, I'm going to shrink you and put you under this helmet. 407 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:42.480 It's almost getting to Vonnegut level concept, but again, that's probably just us filling it in. 408 00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:54.839 So my objection with it is that I just think it's horrifically slow and that a huge proportion of it consists of characters wandering around from set to set discovering things. 409 00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:56.160 Through doors? 410 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:57.059 Very brutally. 411 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:02.819 Prettily lit, but the plot seems to have no particular momentum. 412 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.460 And I just think not enough happens. 413 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:08.460 So I think that's a big problem. 414 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:14.519 So the 1st 2 cliffhangers, there's no peril because nothing is happening yet. 415 00:29:14.579 --> 00:29:16.740 We're still learning about the world. 416 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:20.759 And, you know, like having a bit of space to learn about the world, that's cool. 417 00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:28.380 I love arc in space episode one where much more likeable and entertaining people are wandering around a spaceship of some kind. 418 00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:37.980 But, you know, the fact that there's no peril in the Clichangato episode one, where the fabulous enlightenment and persuasion sort of swan in in what Tegan sketched. 419 00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:42.599 And there's none in episode 2 where you get the bygone reveal. 420 00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:46.500 Oh, can we talk about Philip Lock's timing? 421 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:50.099 It's an avocado pair. 422 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.859 See, it was shockingly bad. 423 00:29:53.940 --> 00:30:04.380 But then the Cliffhanger to episode 3 is really just sort of crappily artificial and it's the 1st of 2 the doctor's about to have his head hacked off. 424 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.680 There's just not enough actually happening. 425 00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:09.299 There's not enough peril. 426 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:14.519 There's a great deal of word peril, you know, like the title, doomsdays in the title. 427 00:30:14.579 --> 00:30:22.740 So something bad must be about to happen, but what, you know, wouldn't a much more fun story have been, you know, monarch arriving on earth or something? 428 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.099 You know, like it's just budget. 429 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:27.119 Yeah, no. 430 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:30.960 Bob Baker and Dave Martin would have written the hell out of that. 431 00:30:31.019 --> 00:30:32.880 We had that. was called Torchwood. 432 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.980 I think I prefer this. 433 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:36.480 Oh god, yes. 434 00:30:36.539 --> 00:30:46.799 You know, I was just thinking that the implication is that as the doctor is trying to get Tegan back to her flight, they get drawn off course and land on Monarch ship. 435 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:55.859 And, you know, as I was saying earlier, no one kind of points out that certainly with the Mayan and indigenous Australian civilisations, things aren't the same as when Monarch was last here. 436 00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:01.559 But, you know, what if the episode 3 Cliffhanger was, actually, it's 1450. 437 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:07.859 So monarch can change history and can take over the world with these cultures. 438 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.099 Do you think Cartwell watched this as a slightly younger boy. 439 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.039 I think he was only 12 when he took over everything, Doctor Who. 440 00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:17.339 But we are really almost a ghost life, at least in the premise. 441 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:24.599 You know, yeah, it's just lots of great concepts, not entirely done well. 442 00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:28.680 But there are there are far greater crimes in Doctor Who than that. 443 00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:40.980 Doctor Who is always done on a rush, no more so than as we'd later discover from all the regulars this year, and especially the next, that it's done so quickly that we'll soon not even be rehearsing. 444 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.559 You get the script, you perform it. 445 00:31:43.619 --> 00:31:43.980 That's it. 446 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:46.859 Looking forward to Frontios there. 447 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:53.880 But there's, for all of that, Doctor Who's also about what else it conjures and what else it brings in. 448 00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:57.299 It's always more than what it shows us, and that's the point. 449 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.960 It's actually, you know, it's actually on us as viewers. 450 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:12.960 To continue that narrative, just as it is for in any performance of a play, when the audience is expected, that background knowledge and to supply imagination. 451 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.500 We're expected to do the same thing, I guess. 452 00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:20.039 Part of the relationship that is watching doctor. 453 00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:24.359 Sorry, still, you shouldn't have to bloody make it up for yourself. 454 00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:25.980 Italian, shouldn't it? 455 00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:28.859 Freaking MasterChef. 456 00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:51.299 Unfortunately, dear listener, Richard's just fainted, so we're taking him to a garden centre to recover. 457 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:52.980 Where's me crimping on? 458 00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:56.759 Come back next week as we talk about Kinder. 459 00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:59.700 Don't forget, you can buy this online at flightsthroughentirety.com. 460 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:04.920 Flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter over on Bondfinger. 461 00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:08.880 We've recently started the Roger Moore era of James Bond films. 462 00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:11.519 We're probably about halfway through by now, who can say? 463 00:33:11.579 --> 00:33:15.539 And similarly on Doctor Who in 10 seconds on YouTube. 464 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.839 I've maybe got up to season 4 by now. 465 00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:20.039 I have no idea. 466 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:24.779 But until next week, may none of your Android arms fall into a bank and hands. 467 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:26.160 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 468 00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:26.940 Good night. 469 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.440 It's got 3 settings. 470 00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:28.799 Good night. 471 00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:41.400 That was Flight Through Entirety with Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 472 00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:46.920 This episode, I've walked between that cow, was recorded on the 28th of May 2016. 473 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:49.559 Next episode will be released on June 26th. 474 00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:55.799 Please stay tuned for the usual blooper, as well as a bit I recorded after the episode and couldn't figure out where to edit it in. 475 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:04.380 Four to doomsday. 476 00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:07.079 Four to doomsday. 28th of June. 477 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.679 May. 28th of May. 478 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.019 Can't be 28th of June. 479 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:14.099 I be out of a job again next week. 480 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.539 Oh, sweetie, that's exciting. 481 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.800 Yeah, new contract's only 5 weeks. 482 00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:21.360 Maywigs in June. 483 00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:23.099 And be why you got confused. 484 00:34:26.699 --> 00:34:29.219 I do love the gray. 485 00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:31.139 All the gray. 486 00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:34.019 Oh, gray. 487 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:35.219 Okay, this is a nice toast. 488 00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:40.559 So do we have to talk about forwarder doom today? 489 00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:42.300 I can't remember a thing about it. 490 00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:58.860 The unsung heroes of this story, of course, are the Chinese lion dance performers, who were actually the wait staff from the production team's local favourite Chinese restaurant and were represented by their maitre d', who got them a better deal than the other extras.