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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety.

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The only Doctor Who podcast who spend a lot of time talking about somewhere called Merrylands.

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To get that joke, just remember we live in Sydney and work backwards.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan I'm a mutant non-ninja space terrapin for this one.

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What story are we doing?

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The visitors.

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Richard is correct.

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We do have some business coming in for the visitation.

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And I'm disgusted in myself as a child of the late '80s, early '90s, never picking up the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles connection.

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It's the other '80s comic romp about subterranean turtles.

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They even live underground.

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And they're not aliens, Michael Bay.

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Sorry, really, really bitter about the new Turtles movies in case you couldn't tell.

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Even if they do have Stephen Aymer in them.

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Actually, I should release my my blooper reel where I make fun of Michael Bay, although he might sue.

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Boom.

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Well, this is terrible, isn't it?

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It's like the Time Warrior with all the fun and wit taken out.

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And all the characters.

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Well, it's actually just for to doomsday with shellfish, isn't it?

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Or it's horror of Fang Rock.

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I actually literally mean it is the Time Warrior.

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So we even get the opening scene where people in a sort of ill-defined period of the past, look out of window, see a special effect, and some kind of thing is landing.

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It emerges.

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There are sort of villages and all sorts of things, you know, it's a threat to the future.

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But it's just really not very interesting.

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And the fact that there is literally a guest cast of one, plus a turtle, whom the writer criticised ad nauseam for years later, Mr. Seward.

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He's very 1st script, and we'll get to him a sec, because apparently this one's mine.

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I know.

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In a sec, for saying that I hadn't watched Doctor Who since the 60s, and he thought he'd invented the historical SF crossover with this story.

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But he is clearly creeping on Bob Holmes, and he goes on to be a great admirer of Bob Holmes, and he does try to be funny.

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There are one or 2 funny lines, but Bob Holmes creates a really rich world.

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I mean, you know, like the Time Warrior, Bob Holmes sets it in the most sort of generic mediaeval setting possible.

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Like he doesn't do any research.

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There are castles and there are monks and stuff and I'm sure all that happened at some point in English history.

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But here, you know, it's a pretty thin historical Glenda Jackson's still queen here, though.

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You can feel it.

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Yeah, you know, you know where you are in the BBC when this romps home.

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I just think the great killer is that quite terrific guest supporting cast is killed off in the 1st 4 minutes.

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Count it, kids, 4 minutes.

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It's evident.

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And he's great.

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And this press was saying, Chris, no, he had equal standing. in the popular lovingness at the time with Davis Synonyms.

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Oh, this great guy, apparently he was trenchant and funny and dry on set and had the whole cast laughing and Janet was saying, we were all looking forward to this shoot.

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It was terrific.

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We had Michael Robman's been really dry with all his theatre stories.

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And then we had John being hilarious.

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Didn't turn up the next day because he was killed.

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Yeah, he was shocked too.

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He thought his character had to get a longer contract, yeah.

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See, I think that's actually brilliant.

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It's what's become known now in certain circles as the deep blue sea principle.

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And I say that because a film about, oh, probably 15 years ago, now, Deep Blue Sea, about killer sharks.

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Genetically modified.

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Genetically modified killer sharks.

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Trying to find a cure for Alzheimer's disease.

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Yeah, that's actually the plot.

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With Samuel L. Jackson.

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And there's...

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Yeah, it's actually quite a good killer animal film.

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You know, it's up there with the swarm by Irwin Allen.

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So Samuel L. Jackson is in there and he has this big speech at one point after everything's gone to hell about how everyone's going to get out and everyone's going to be fine and then a shark eats him.

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In the middle of the speed, in the middle of the...

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Now, the thing is...

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Samuel Jackson had agreed to do the film on principle and then got the script and he was outraged and he called his agent and he said, no, I don't do this anymore.

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You know, I got killed in Jurassic Park, but I'm a big name actor now.

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I don't get killed halfway through and he said it's also about representation.

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You know, it's just me and LL Cool J, we're the only black characters in the film.

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And I'm getting killed and his agent said, let me stop you, Samuel.

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You top billing in the film.

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Yeah, but it's not about the money.

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No, Samuel, listen, you're top building in the film.

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So everyone is going to expect you to survive.

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And then you die and suddenly anyone can die.

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And he went, oh, okay.

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Yeah, all right, I'll do it.

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And that's what you get here.

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You're introduced to these people and you do get them chatting and having a lovely time and having a sweet relationship.

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I feel a definite chill about my shoulders.

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And then, yeah, they're all they're all horribly murdered.

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And so you get horribly murdered.

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You know, as Russell T. Davis says about Stephen Moffatt, Stephen's specialty is creating interesting characters and they're melting them.

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So as much as we have paid out on Eric Seywood already, despite the fact this is where he officially arrives, and we're going to continue paying out on him.

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I actually think this opening gambit is incredibly effective and incredibly well done on his part.

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So kudos.

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Okay.

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I couldn't agree more.

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Where would he want to say about the script, clot, blah.

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Look there isn't one.

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And this is one of those stories that is remembered so fondly, and does look very stylish.

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Well, certainly made well and everyone was working terrifically hard, ordeal.

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Dies, Morel, did a lovely thing with tropical fish.

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She keeps tropical fish, she keeps tropical fish, not in her underpans.

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If anyone remembers Alexis Sal.

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But, but, you know, and we've got wonderful Michael Amelia, whose socks turned black from the heat, you know, as the chiefy terrelet pool, but looking at it again, the memory cheats, it plods along.

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It's not as well scripted or as well thought out.

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It's a say word story.

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And as much as I love it as a, it feels like a trout and romp.

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It just, you know, it should be.

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Peter's doing a great job and trying to bring lightness to it.

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I think the rest of the cost.

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Poor old bloody Nissa.

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I God, you know, at least she's, you know, stuck inside again in a room.

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We need to say it.

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It's not just that too.

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There's scenes of Janet, like some really absorbing scenes of Janet transferring test tubes from one box to another.

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While this is, again, why she's over that thing.

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Well, this is sort of plugging a Mercano set together.

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I mean, those scenes are boring and they're going to become more and more frequent. doing that kind of thing and we still found it boring.

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Yeah, and we ran into the same problem as we had last week in that the principal guest cast member who spends the most time with the doctor is far more interesting than any of the other companions, even if he is rather terribly played.

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Do you know, there's that hilarious anecdote in the commentary where Matthew Waterhouse complains that Michael Robbins spent the entire shoot saying how terrible Doctor Who was and how he was slumming it and how this was awful and really horrific.

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And Matthew says, he was in on the buses.

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Which Weedley has been really successful in the US in the last, well, I don't know, 15 years long.

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PBS comedy channel.

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So there you go.

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British stuff will always be timeless.

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It was the Golden Age of television broadcast.

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Well, I think it wasn't on the bus as the movie, like the highest grossing film in Britain in 1972 or something.

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It was... with Regvani and some people.

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Yeah, awful.

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And we wonder why they elected David Cameron clearly.

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Michael Robbins does a terrific job and he gets a lot of shtick for, you know, overplaying it or underplaying it or siding playing it, whatever it is, but he is the entire population of the 16th century, as far as we can tell.

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Although you do get William Hartnell wandering in at one point, you know, the village Gelda, who I was sure was Richard Herndel when I was a child.

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That seems awful, isn't it?

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Where the villagers who appear in no other scene...

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I had no names other than what they do.

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No, they're really miller.

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You better go and mill something now because there's a mill over there.

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It's looking empty.

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I'm the 1st headman, you know.

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The character of Richard Mace. we know where he originates?

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Yes, we do.

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It's from the voluminous cupboardy type thing of Eric Saywatt.

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It was on the radiogram.

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In the 19 blar, late 60s, played by a man.

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A white wig.

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And given it was for radio, you know, the wig was just his.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was a swashbug me.

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Oh, it was his go at Adam Adamant, but...

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Yeah, it didn't actually work out that well for him, did it as a career move?

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But then again, neither did Doctor Who in the end, did it?

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Sorry, Eric.

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He's trying to do, he's trying to do a big Holmes character.

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He's trying to do Garren.

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Yeah, the big fat fib, but say, you know, it was just the 1st tie I've ever seen, Doctor Who, you know, since the Shipps.

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I've had a career.

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Yeah, you know, writing playthings that people go in.

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Sometimes they.

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You never leave, Eric.

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I always think then of what Stephen Moffat said about theatre once.

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He said, I went to see a play with my wife and said, so what television show is this?

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No, no, it's a play.

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Oh, so it's not on television?

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No, Steve, it's not on television.

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Really?

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What did they do wrong?

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Which is horribly unfair because, yeah, I love the theatre I used to be in theatre things.

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I think I've got some voice work coming up in an amateur theatre thing soon.

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I'm doing it now.

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I'm doing it now.

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I'm sending them this.

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They're going to play this over Gilligan's Island spoof.

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Okay, let's just say how fantastic the visitors really is because it really is.

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It looks gorgeous.

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It's got lots of things happening.

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It's got tin clavic, and it's got pintaric, and it's got polygrite, and I think they did actually win Eurovision this year.

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They did.

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And it's also the planet Raga?

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New Romantic Skiffle Band, yes.

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It's got a new romantic Android.

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Yeah.

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Android based on that.

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I'm sorry, no.

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Got cricket gloves.

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Yeah, and it's got and it's also got a silly head.

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Why are they making anthropomorphic androids when they look like turtles?

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It's just racism gone mad.

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Actually, I actually think that the pteroreptils are a post-racial society, because one of them's blue, one of them's red, and one of them's green. tropical.

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They all live together in peace and harmony.

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And they're able, like many other aliens before them, to pronounce labial consonants, even though their lips never make one another.

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So glad you brought them.

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It's my new job on the podcast.

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Yeah, well, one of our friends of the podcast, Matt Hounsel, was very glad of that lesson.

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She's a big fan of such things.

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I do like that they've discovered dimensional transcendentalism.

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Well, they're speaking from the lips to the teeth.

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Well, there is a note.

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Pete just, I have to be a little nerd about this.

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There is a note when the doctor says that, you know, it's not just partly buried underneath that the escape pod does actually seem to be bigger on the inside.

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There's a little reference to that.

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So there, and he does mention that this society is far more advanced than he even he thought.

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Look, I'm gonna have to jump in here.

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This is Todd's favourite story of the season.

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And to be honest, it's not far off mine.

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I actually really enjoy this.

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Yeah, I had such fond memories of this, and I certainly did enjoy watching your lovely DVD copy.

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Thank you, Brandon.

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It's the only one I don't own an interesting, isn't it?

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It is.

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It's still fun, but I think maybe it's just being our certain age.

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We have such high expectations of it.

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It's remembered as being it's almost the invasion of the 80s, isn't it?

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We just see it as being the way to do a show.

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And that's why it sort of hits you.

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Things like Kinder, you don't expect to remember so well.

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You just remember it being kind of flat and overlit and they're just having the 2 sets.

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So there's a blandness in the representation that you expect to be reflected in the story and that isn't the case.

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I think in this one, there is less to this than your expectations and memory provides.

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I think as much as I enjoy it, a big problem is the lack of humour.

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Thank you.

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It's really just Richard Mace throwing gags out and just watching them clatter to the studio floor.

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And because the actor's not having a good time either, his delivery of the gags.

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Obviously not having a housemaid's knee.

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Well, no, as Nathan was saying, you know, he felt that Doctor Who was slumming it.

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Yeah, according to the rest of the cast.

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I've never heard of an actor actually saying that, though, on a shoot.

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It's always like, I'm getting seen.

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People are looking at me.

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This is wonderful.

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Well, Clyde Swift.

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You remember that interview with Clyde Swift from Doctor Who magazine?

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Which is, I think, one of the greatest interviews of all time.

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I've put that up on the Holy Book of Face and my great friend, some of them have never even watched Doctor Who said, I love this man.

225
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Because they all help it from the other thing.

226
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The other thing. inside Patricia Rutledge.

227
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That's the one.

228
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I do actually think that Eric Say would have put together a perfectly competent script.

229
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I don't think it necessarily proves his competency as script editor.

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Yeah.

231
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I mean, you know, maybe Anthony Root didn't have to do that much work on it and maybe that was the proviso, but, you know, there's no indication, for instance, that they asked Christopher Bailey to be script editor, which can you...

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He would have said no, surely.

233
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Oh, you would think, but yeah, if they're going to be asking people, I'm glad they didn't ask Terence Dudley.

234
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Oh, he's terrible.

235
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They could have asked Peter Grimway.

236
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Well, he's terrible as well.

237
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Although he then goes and writes for us. in the next few weeks, doesn't he?

238
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Well, I'm gonna argue that the script's not the problem there, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

239
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I think it's not necessarily the problem here either.

240
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For me, it's lack of time and development.

241
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I think this is one of those stories if the cast had been allowed to spend 2 weeks.

242
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Look at the 60s and why we got time to rehearse and build a rapport together and work up.

243
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It'll fun things that seem very natural when we saw them on screen.

244
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We're not getting that here and they just not give them the time to rehearse.

245
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I'm finding this season that there's just a lot of people walking around from place to place.

246
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There's no real forward momentum.

247
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I read Sandifer's review of this and he thinks that it moves along at a sort of, you know, some sort of clip, but I can't see that myself.

248
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And certainly there's just lots and lots of scenes, as we said before, of Nisa assembling a machine of Tegan, you know, machine of Tegan.

249
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You've already got one.

250
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It's called tea.

251
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The walk's not quite wrong.

252
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Coming up, kids.

253
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There's just not a lot happening here.

254
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And, and, you know, it finally picks up, I think, once we move to London in episode four, but before that, there's a lot of, and here goes to the Tardisan, we go to this house and they go to the other house and without characters to motivate it, without really anything very much interesting going on by means of action sequences, it's just a bit tedious.

255
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And very little that the characters actually do influence the plot.

256
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Something I said a couple of weeks ago is across the course of season 19, something it does try to do with arguably the too many regular characters it has of the total number of four, is it splits them up into different combinations.

257
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So in Florida Doomsday, We had Adracanissa spent most of the story together.

258
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Here, Adrick and Tegan spent a lot of time together.

259
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And contrary to the bickering at the end of last story.

260
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They actually work reasonably well together to get out of that cell.

261
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But it becomes a bit of a loop story.

262
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You know, Tegan gets captured, but Adrick gets away, but all Adrick does is just say, oh, Tegan's been captured and then gets stuck in the TARDIS for a bit.

263
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And nobody wants to make a reincarnated high priest out of her, do they?

264
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That's the big failing here.

265
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What's missing in the room?

266
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

267
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They didn't have trouble managing for regulars when...

268
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No, they jolly well did.

269
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When it was Barbara, Ian and Susan or Barbara, Ian and Vicky.

270
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They didn't when it was Ben Polly and Jamie.

271
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However briefly.

272
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You know, I don't think it's 4 characters.

273
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I think it's these 4 cats. when it was Billy and Dodo and her accent.

274
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So, yeah, I suppose what we're really missing is an older companion figure and preferably an older cast member would be nice.

275
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But also like Neris.

276
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We joked about a month ago that wouldn't Auntie Vanessa have been great as a companion.

277
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And the thing is...

278
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She would have been.

279
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Yeah, it would have been great.

280
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Even in, like, if you just look at those 1st few scenes she has with Tegan, her character is more readily defined than Tegan.

281
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Or if we had Todd from last week, Nerris Hughes, stick around.

282
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You know, when I say she's older, she's in her 30s rather than in her 20s.

283
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But that gulf of age gap.

284
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Like, if I think to myself in my early 20s compared to my age now, it doesn't seem like a huge span of time, but it's a huge span of maturity.

285
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We've got 2 companions who are what, 18, 19 the actors, Matthew Waterhouse and Sarah Sutton, even though Sarah Sutton, I think plays it older.

286
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She doesn't look older, so there's that weird tension there.

287
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But then you've got Janet Fielding, who's not quite sure what she's doing yet.

288
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So sometimes she's playing it like she's 12 and sometimes she's playing it like she's 25.

289
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And I don't necessarily think that's Janet's fault because she will prove herself to be very, very capable as her time goes on.

290
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Yeah, Barbara, we're missing we're missing a Barbara.

291
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We're missing a voice of reason.

292
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I think we're just missing someone with theatrical experience in this, but we do have that in Peter, and we do actually have that in Sarah Sutton as well.

293
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She'd been working since the early 70s.

294
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Yeah, she's good, but she's just constantly sidelined. constantly in her room.

295
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Plugged in.

296
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That's it.

297
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Well, I think the reason for that might be...

298
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Well, let let sexual frustration.

299
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Well, funnily enough, I was going to say, let's just say that John Nathan Turner seemed to have a personal interest in Matthew Waterhouse.

300
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We have heard those rumours.

301
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From Matthew Waterhouse.

302
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I'd like to think that it was just too hurried and that they didn't have the scripts prepared, but I'm sorry, that's just laziness.

303
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A good theatrical troupe can actually work on the run and create characterisation.

304
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You don't put a companion in a box for 4 episodes.

305
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It's very silly.

306
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Even Barber would just come back with a space tan. look amazing and catch up straight away.

307
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Yeah, I'm really getting tired of Nissa getting locked away because she's the most interesting of the 3 and she's played the best as well.

308
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I think the lack of understanding of teleobiogenesis is probably a big part of it, would you not say that?

309
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I would say almost certainly.

310
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They just have to sideline her because she can't come.

311
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Well, how many cheese and wine parties have you seen her at?

312
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I mean, you know, those sorts of people just don't get invited.

313
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It's crap.

314
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It should be great and it's not.

315
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Why isn't it?

316
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Actually, I was just going to say, you know, I've criticised it for lack of humour, but there is one joke that I think works really well.

317
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What does that taste like?

318
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Can we say that?

319
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Nectar.

320
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Oh, what does that taste like?

321
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Oh, you stupid...

322
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That little exchange between Mason Adrick is actually...

323
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But it's because both Matthew Waterhouse and Sarah Sutner are occasionally given these culture clash moments, and generally Sarah plays them much better, but that one Matthew actually plays perfectly. and has really good comic timing and then unfortunately everything gets blown up by the Android.

324
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I really like.

325
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Is it, does the, um, does the pteroreptil say that, um, Tegan is a very stupid woman or something and she, it's, that's not a very original observation.

326
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I think it's actually Janet's finest moment in this one.

327
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When she does the whole fatigued declass, A, Lauren Bacall, raised eyebrow thing.

328
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They're all capable actors and that's the thing that I'm kicking myself over this season is the wasted opportunities.

329
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Yeah, and also in that scene, thank you for not writing in Adrik tells them everything.

330
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They want to know because that's getting very tired.

331
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Oh it is though, isn't it?

332
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And thankfully it doesn't happen again.

333
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It's the Zoe paradox, isn't it?

334
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You've got a likeable flighty Peter Pan character.

335
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He's actually the 1st Peter Pan played by a man.

336
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Did you know that?

337
00:21:44.579 --> 00:21:49.799
But it worked for them and it's just not working for me here.

338
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And I don't necessarily think it's Matthews.

339
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Matthew, as I've said before, is the only one actually playing it to truth.

340
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He's doing the Steneslevsky method.

341
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He's playing at like the New York theatre group as an irritating teenage boy.

342
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That's what he is.

343
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He's not perfect, waddle, waddle.

344
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When he's running up to the TARDS, and then he runs back to thinking, oh, just bloody all get him.

345
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And you see all the villagers start to beat him up and who doesn't sit at home?

346
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and wrestle a nurturing cheer, just slightly repressed.

347
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And I love that she's the point that even this is so bored with it all.

348
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It just grabs a big red knob, doesn't even bother looking at this ganner screen to see who's outside.

349
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I'm just bricking over it.

350
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Bang, whoop.

351
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You know, that so enraged me as a child and I still remember shouting at the screen.

352
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Why doesn't Nissa help him?

353
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She's got a death wish, but Adric.

354
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And my mother's saying, what is she meant to do?

355
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How is she meant to fight off that many people?

356
00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:45.119
I mean, she vibrates something at them.

357
00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:47.640
I mean, she told Adric not to go.

358
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She did though, didn't she?

359
00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:55.079
And she does consider going and then she remembers that she's supposed to be doing something for the doctor.

360
00:22:55.740 --> 00:23:03.240
But it seems to me that that Android exists simply to give Anissa and Adrix something to do in episode three.

361
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Yeah, it plays no other role in the plot.

362
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They did some other things for us.

363
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Do you remember the 80s?

364
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The Grim Reaper from those Australian age?

365
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Oh, you know, that said, if you go bowling, you'll get A. We were terrified.

366
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Honestly, not so much money.

367
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You had to be there.

368
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It was an ad campaign, gentle listener, the 1st anti-HIV campaign.

369
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It was actually Australia that came up with a programmed use of prophylactics, of putting condoms in doctor surgeries and pretty much anywhere else, not in schools, but we were the 1st ones to, we didn't know that condoms would stop the HOV virus, but it was a theory and they just went ahead and did it and spent a huge amount of money on it and it turned out to work.

370
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What strikes me about those ads now because, of course, I saw them and I was about five.

371
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My parents were both scientists, which meant when I asked, what is that about?

372
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They told me.

373
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Not going bowling because it's common.

374
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That's what you'll die of shame.

375
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.079
I recently found it on YouTube and watched it again.

376
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:05.160
And the thing that struck me.

377
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And this being the 1980s is that it's not full of homosexual stereotypes.

378
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It's full of people from all walks of life to make it clear that this is not a disease that just affects the time.

379
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Yeah, which is amazing.

380
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I mean, we're getting...

381
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:25.440
I think my five-year-old mine did make that visual link as well with the Grim Reaper.

382
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It had resonance for us at school in a way, but none of us, maybe it's about being, I was a 14 year old viewer by then, and none of it was as frightening as perhaps it was trying to be.

383
00:24:34.259 --> 00:24:36.539
I actually think that's also incidental music.

384
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:46.380
Ding, dong, dong, dong. doesn't really capture me so much as the music concrete, you know, electroplasmic things.

385
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:51.900
There is an attempt to be a bit period with the music and that does kind of work, I think.

386
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:57.420
I don't think the music is that terrible and it is, well, wait until give us a couple of weeks.

387
00:24:57.480 --> 00:24:59.579
It's going to be shockingly foreshadowing.

388
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:03.779
Yeah, as much as I love Patty Kingsland, he does get rather excitable sometimes.

389
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:11.220
It's always melodic and it's always enjoyable to listen to, but it's just like, Patty, Patty, no, this is a sinister chase seat.

390
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:12.599
Give us Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

391
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Not the chairs.

392
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.000
I actually like to hear a spinach.

393
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:19.500
I'd actually like to hear, you know, an early harpsichord in this of some time or another.

394
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:29.039
And since it's all electronic, that does get to me to be a bit jarring, it's like watching the entire production that's done in CG now, any cartoon, anything.

395
00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:33.539
I was just like, I just want to see the work of someone's hand here and here. give me a bit of analogue.

396
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:34.559
Yeah.

397
00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:38.220
No, this one's not oddly enough for something that I loved at the time.

398
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:39.599
This show's just not working for me.

399
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:45.359
I'm having a hard time articulating why I like it so much and certainly it has its flaws.

400
00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:47.640
And certainly with the scares you were talking about.

401
00:25:47.700 --> 00:26:01.319
When the Android does don the cape and just grab the scythe randomly. you know, it's meant to be terrifying, it's actually funny to me and not funny in the way of that's ridiculous, but oh, I see what you did there.

402
00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:07.140
I think maybe, maybe that's the flaw of this story in the end, it's not as clever as it thinks it is.

403
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.660
It's a straightforward action adventure.

404
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.240
I can't. without much action. without much action.

405
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:13.559
But it is adventure.

406
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:14.819
It does have some great concepts.

407
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:20.039
I think it's the, is it the episode 3 cliffhanger where Tegan's going to let the rat out. yeah.

408
00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:23.579
And I think that's very effective, mainly because of Peter Davidson's performance.

409
00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:26.400
And he's off camera. you know that's really well done there.

410
00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:29.940
The episode 2 Cliffhanger, on the other hand, is really terrible.

411
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.500
Is that decapitation?

412
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.920
Yeah, yeah. so he lampshades it by saying, oh, no, not again.

413
00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:37.079
But then...

414
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:39.660
We get the same, we get the 1st of the same with tropes.

415
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:41.460
Are you listening to this deal, isn't it?

416
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.500
someone holds his hand up, but wait.

417
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:44.579
Wait, that's it.

418
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.319
That's a resolution of the cliffhanger.

419
00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:47.759
And how many times we're going to see that?

420
00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:49.680
Every freaking day.

421
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:50.400
No, no, no.

422
00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:51.119
Nisa fight.

423
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:51.779
Oh, yeah.

424
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.180
Yeah, Nissa fights them off in for to do...

425
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.839
This is literally just the guy comes in and says, wait. terrible.

426
00:26:58.019 --> 00:27:05.279
Petticoating the oncoming, but isn't that just at the end of every single Colin Baker story in my dim memory?

427
00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:07.559
Speaking of endings.

428
00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:08.400
Yes.

429
00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:12.420
Oh, the whole of episode 4 actually does lift it a little bit.

430
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.579
I was gonna talk about the Sonic screwdriver.

431
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.740
Oh, that's episode three, is it?

432
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.279
See, to us, fans that just is a little blip.

433
00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:21.240
That's just a little moment.

434
00:27:21.299 --> 00:27:25.619
But for the non-fans, that's all everybody at school talked about for the next day.

435
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:27.119
It was, oh, my God.

436
00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:29.400
My music teacher came up to me and said, did you see the song?

437
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.119
It's CrewDriver.

438
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:31.500
And I said, yes.

439
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.740
It was very important to me too, probably.

440
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:41.759
So we didn't have the Sonic Screwdriver last week because Nissa was having a private moment with it in the TARDIS.

441
00:27:41.819 --> 00:27:46.920
And so that just meant that Pete could be locked up in a cage for an episode.

442
00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:50.880
Here, he manages to be locked up in a room for a while as well.

443
00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:54.839
And that's going to be a big thing for the Peter Davidson year.

444
00:27:54.900 --> 00:28:00.720
He's going to spend episode 3 locked up really, pretty much every story because he has no Sonic screwdriver.

445
00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:02.460
And I think that that's terrible.

446
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:03.480
So true.

447
00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:12.180
It's been observed before that Bidmead didn't like the Sonic Screwdriver because he thought it made the doctor too powerful and it meant that he could defeat things.

448
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.420
But what it meant he could defeat was being locked up.

449
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:32.579
Yeah, and like unless you think him being locked up or unless you think him trying to open a door, which we get an extensive sequence of as well in what episode four, unless you think those things are fun to watch, then maybe the Sonic Screwdriver isn't such a bad idea.

450
00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:45.480
The only reason it's great is that you get the best line for me in this whole story is when the lead terror leptor just before says to the doctor, drop the sonic device.

451
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:51.240
The most dissonic, just as if again, he's reading out the Eurovision figures for Britain that year.

452
00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:53.039
I'd like to hear Brendan do that.

453
00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:55.980
Drop the sonic device.

454
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:01.440
He does replace it with a safety pin later, which is quite... and a bit of string.

455
00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:09.119
They get rid of the Sonic screwdriver because it's a magical device, and then how does the doctor open a door by magically shooting it?

456
00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:10.140
Yeah, yeah.

457
00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:11.640
What the hell?

458
00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:13.259
Yes, it's a cool moment.

459
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:14.880
Don't get me wrong, you know.

460
00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:19.799
It's one of those moments where on cinema scenes, they're like, I'll take 3 sins off for that because that's just awesome.

461
00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:22.980
But as cool as it is, you're like, why couldn't you use a magnet?

462
00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:24.420
Oh, ridiculous.

463
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:25.619
You know why?

464
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:29.160
We're trapped in the postmodern idiom, aren't we, Lana?

465
00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:32.640
We're trapped we're trapped in this thing of the 80s.

466
00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:34.619
Doctor was always about the time it's made.

467
00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:43.140
Every other show at the time was jumping into this postmodern thing and for those of us who didn't bother doing any liberal art subjects at uni.

468
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.859
It was all about the analysis of itself.

469
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.500
Wait till we get to Dragon Fire.

470
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:58.140
But, you know, the text is just a text within a text and can reference any other text that's written and we can just pull things out of everything else.

471
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:00.660
So we get to the point that nothing really matters.

472
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.779
It's just how it's all thrown together and it's all terrific.

473
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.519
It's a melange.

474
00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:06.839
It's a salad, not a story.

475
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:12.960
So this is suffering from that as much as anything else, in that it's a moment followed by a moment, followed by a moment.

476
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:15.240
Where's the dressing?

477
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.319
I just think it's ineptitude rather than postmodern.

478
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:19.559
Really?

479
00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:20.759
But there was boring.

480
00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:23.039
There was a hell of a lot of this kind of writing at the time.

481
00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:24.900
Yeah, like moonlighting and stuff like that.

482
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:30.180
Yeah, oh, but moonlighting was Carol Lombard and Clark Gable.

483
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:35.940
Moonlight, moonlighting was directly from the scribble comedies of the 30s.

484
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.579
No, the whole post-modernism thing.

485
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:43.019
So it kind of sounds like what Matthew Waterhouse was saying when making 4 to Doomsday.

486
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:46.799
Like I can't figure out where my character is in reference to the other stories.

487
00:30:46.859 --> 00:30:50.339
I will just play it as if this is the only story that's happening.

488
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.099
Yeah, and yeah.

489
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.980
It's an interesting thing, isn't it?

490
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:01.140
That they wanted to link all the stories together, but it seems they didn't want to develop them from one to the other.

491
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:13.440
They really didn't, because as we remember from Dragonfire, the simiotic thickness of a performed text does vary according to the redundancy of its auxiliary performance codes, doesn't it?

492
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:14.519
Or what?

493
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:18.660
I don't know why we didn't mention that last. why it didn't come to me back then.

494
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:24.599
Thank you, Andrew Farmore, but it gets to the point that they start to send they send it up for itself, and of course that's a few years down the track.

495
00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:30.779
But I think that's actually what's going to start wearing Pete out and what's going to be a real ruination for Colin as well.

496
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.119
We can blame scriptedters and all the rest of it.

497
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:35.579
No, I think we can just blame scripted.

498
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.380
We've had bad script editors before.

499
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.420
We've had John Wildes as producers.

500
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:43.380
We've had some awful things happening, but we still found a lot of love for what we were watching.

501
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:53.579
Yeah, so maybe it is a sort of confluence of terrible things, but I do want to, uh, I do totally want to play Marex Award for everything that I'm going to say.

502
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:54.660
Well, there's no Nerus in this one.

503
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.119
Yeah, there's no one interesting to look at.

504
00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:58.680
Oh, I don't know.

505
00:31:58.740 --> 00:31:59.700
Richard Mason's lovely here.

506
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.559
Including when we get to fear her.

507
00:32:01.619 --> 00:32:03.119
We're going to blame Eric Saywood for that.

508
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.579
I still find a lot to love.

509
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:11.339
And I'm on record with a few people as saying that there's only one Doctor Who story.

510
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:12.599
I hate and we're not up to that yet.

511
00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:14.460
But having said that...

512
00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:15.119
Can't wait for that one.

513
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:17.579
Having said that, rewatching season 19.

514
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.160
There may be a second one now, but it's not this.

515
00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:21.359
This is exciting.

516
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:22.440
And we're not up to it yet.

517
00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:24.599
So there's 3 other possibilities.

518
00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:27.180
Yes, I know which one it is.

519
00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:30.960
Can we talk episode four?

520
00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:32.339
Yes, I think we should.

521
00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:37.019
The pteraleptal throws on a cloak and he has a bit of camel toe?

522
00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:39.720
Tick on location, I seem to notice.

523
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:45.059
I think probably has a cloacre rather than external genitals, though, as a terrible.

524
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.079
So, yes, as an other positive...

525
00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:50.880
He could have been a lady terrelaptor.

526
00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:53.039
Shape. shaped like the Android.

527
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:54.299
That's where that shape comes from.

528
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:55.259
Ah, exactly.

529
00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:56.700
It's a cloacal extension.

530
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.700
But we...

531
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:03.539
We head off into, into, are we at Ealing?

532
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.099
Like, where are we shooting London?

533
00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:05.700
Yes, yes.

534
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.420
Suddenly it all looks grainy and be perfectly lit and a lot more fun. doesn't it?

535
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.160
It doesn't look like convincing.

536
00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:15.660
It does look like a set, but it looks like a big set that looks really great.

537
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.819
It's the Mary Morris principle.

538
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.019
You know they only had one day to do this whole thing.

539
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.720
It was pretty impressive for what they were trying to do.

540
00:33:24.779 --> 00:33:30.299
And I reckon probably those terreleptils spent 3 or 4 hours just huffing soliton before the shot.

541
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.640
You know that fireball thing?

542
00:33:35.700 --> 00:33:39.900
When they when Pete's standing out to a doctor that Pete's the same thing, isn't it?

543
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:47.099
They're standing outside and then you go, bloke who was doing the effect, said, that murdered 5 cars completely school did them.

544
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.119
It was ruined.

545
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:50.099
The whole thing was ruined.

546
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.019
Cops had the fire brigade.

547
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.359
That was the most exciting day on Doctor Who, that is.

548
00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:56.819
What happened to the little rats?

549
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:57.480
Did they get them out?

550
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:59.400
They were burned to a crisp.

551
00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:01.440
Where do you get brown tame rats?

552
00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:02.940
Lab rats are always white.

553
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.759
Did they just cover them in Michael Amelia's socks?

554
00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:07.319
go dark.

555
00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:10.980
They got them from the canteen at the television centre, I would imagine.

556
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:19.260
I lost a pound, he said, on that, probably in a bet with Peters, to see who, you know, which companion would be flawed for the longest, to turn out to be Nisser again.

557
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.320
So we have a giant climax, Dixie.

558
00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:27.480
And my favourite part of that scene is that Tegan is listlessly hitting Michael Melia with a.

559
00:34:27.539 --> 00:34:28.679
Well, they're all hung over, aren't they?

560
00:34:28.739 --> 00:34:29.940
stories.

561
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.179
Everyone was had horrible hangovers during the shoot of this again.

562
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:38.099
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. needed it to cope, I think.

563
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:48.059
I'm a little bit worried by the fact that Pete decides to skim vials of deadly virus into the, you know, like across the floor into the farm.

564
00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:51.119
Just like unwanted Kentucky fried chicken containers.

565
00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:51.480
Yes.

566
00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:53.280
Just throw your lunch in there, kids.

567
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:56.159
It does seem awfully dangerous.

568
00:34:56.219 --> 00:34:57.239
It does.

569
00:34:57.300 --> 00:34:58.980
Ruined 5 cars.

570
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:06.480
Oh, it's the last time Stuart fell in Alan Chunks. come out and do stunts at us.

571
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:08.460
And Stuart Fell, what does he do?

572
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:09.960
Is he one of the tereleptils?

573
00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:10.980
Rat, isn't he?

574
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:11.639
Is he a rat?

575
00:35:11.699 --> 00:35:12.420
He's very small.

576
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.639
He's more perfectly full.

577
00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:17.699
Actually, the blue terrolaptol is very small, so...

578
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:18.960
Yeah, I love how he's blue.

579
00:35:19.019 --> 00:35:21.539
Look, the terreleptils are really well designed.

580
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:28.739
Well, I think the designs are beautiful, but even everyone on set was saying, well, she obviously didn't think that an actor going this, would they?

581
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.179
That they were all being quite hissy.

582
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.360
Well, that's always been a problem with Doctor Who Monsters, hasn't it?

583
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:39.480
If you compare them with the Fomasi, you know, the previous year with their drawstring necks and things.

584
00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:40.920
Like I love the fomasi.

585
00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:43.380
I think they look terrific, but they don't look convincing for a second.

586
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:49.860
The pteroreptil doesn't look sort of particularly convince he's got sort of wrinkly legs, but the mouth, there's animatronics.

587
00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:51.599
Is this your 1st animatronic?

588
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.599
and the fact that he's got an eye torn out and all of that.

589
00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:56.280
Yeah, it seems to have human teeth.

590
00:35:56.340 --> 00:35:59.460
Did you know they were going to have steam coming out of the side of his head as well?

591
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:01.320
It's meant to happen?

592
00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:02.039
Didn't happen.

593
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:03.420
He does look good.

594
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.280
It is surprising they're not brought back.

595
00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:08.280
He's nicely done and I like his voice intonations.

596
00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:14.579
I can see Michael Milio, because you know, playing Lee Terreptol and the director was saying, oh, it'd be so great, Michael.

597
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.860
We've even got this fabulous voice modulator.

598
00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:19.500
So your voice will come up like an electronic strain.

599
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:20.519
He said, no, that's it.

600
00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:25.019
You can get my bloody mother-in-law to do it because no one will know the difference between me and her.

601
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:26.280
And it was a good choice.

602
00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:27.599
It was a choice.

603
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.440
I mean, he's a big man and he has presence and even under all that latex.

604
00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:32.820
Yeah, I like him.

605
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.980
He's not a very memorable monster, but he...

606
00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:36.539
He was great at the Fendal, wasn't he?

607
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:42.000
So I think one thing we can all agree on is that the lead terror wept or Michael Media is pretty fabulous.

608
00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:42.960
He doesn't put a foot wrong.

609
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:45.599
Yeah, I'm not that interested in him, I have to say.

610
00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:47.099
He's not links.

611
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.659
Yeah, but you don't dislike him.

612
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.400
No, no, no. think it is a good performance.

613
00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:54.360
And they at least give him a bit of depth by him talking about, look, you know, I was a prisoner.

614
00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:55.440
I was tortured.

615
00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:56.639
He was real...

616
00:36:56.699 --> 00:36:57.719
I was a real.

617
00:36:57.780 --> 00:36:59.760
I've lost all this weight to ask me how.

618
00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:09.420
I think that's the thing that sort of lingers with me in this story, is that we have in the pteroreptils and admittedly only one of them, but they're given personality.

619
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:13.260
They're given motivation and a bit like last week.

620
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.920
We have a villain, but not an out and out evil villain.

621
00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:20.760
You know, yes, he's going to massacre the entirety of the earth's population.

622
00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:25.800
He's going to massacre the entire the Earth's population, but he's only as much of a real villain as the Solurians are.

623
00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:27.960
The Silurians have a bit more of a claim to the planet.

624
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:29.699
Interesting to bring them up.

625
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.260
But yeah, he's sort of acting in his interpretation of self-preservation.

626
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.000
It's not just moustache twirling.

627
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:37.679
I'll tie you to the railroad tracks now.

628
00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:40.079
It's like, okay, you have a motivation.

629
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:41.099
It is flawed.

630
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.679
You are an amoral character.

631
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:49.800
We must work to stop you, but it's more interesting than just, I'm going to wipe out humanity.

632
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:50.219
Why?

633
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:51.539
Because I'm evil.

634
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:58.320
But that is why I'm in the doctor offers to take him somewhere lovely where the other pteroreptils aren't going to be able to find him.

635
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:02.579
And he says, no, no, I'll stay here and infect the entire population with, you know, the plague.

636
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:09.000
I mean, as much as I admire what you're saying, it is quite difficult to set up an argument for spatial genocide.

637
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.159
Others have tried.

638
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:14.460
Certainly not without going into politics.

639
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:23.460
This is our 1st character death with a lot of goo gushing from the head and his eyeballs exploding and stuff.

640
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.679
It's a very season 19 trophy thing.

641
00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:26.400
It is, isn't it?

642
00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:27.659
Yeah, I think it might be, actually.

643
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:28.920
Yeah, it's a bit revolting.

644
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:34.380
I seem to remember my mother walking in on me when I was watching Arc of England.

645
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:34.739
Yeah.

646
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:38.460
And all this stuff was gushing gushing out of Omega's head.

647
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:39.719
Alright, okay.

648
00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:43.559
She was pretty horrified that this was what I was doing for entertainment.

649
00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:45.539
You know who I think started it all off?

650
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:51.659
Dorian in Blake 7. when he turned into a sea devil and dissolved away. previously, isn't it?

651
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:52.320
Just the year before?

652
00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:53.460
Yeah, 4 months before this.

653
00:38:53.519 --> 00:39:09.539
Have you ever heard the theory that the reason that Doctor Who gets an expanded cast of people who don't seem to like each other very much and spend a lot of time finding is that Blake 7 had been cancelled the year before and there was kind of an available slot for that kind of science?

654
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:10.139
very interesting.

655
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.619
I thought you were going to say they invented the podcast.

656
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:14.639
Yeah, God.

657
00:39:14.699 --> 00:39:16.679
Why couldn't we have Paul Darrow as Adrick?

658
00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:19.019
Why couldn't we have Chris Boucher a scripted out?

659
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.000
That would have been interesting.

660
00:39:21.059 --> 00:39:24.179
Can you imagine what Janet would have been like as a new Leela?

661
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.360
No, no, she could have been a new Jenner.

662
00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:30.119
Because Stephen Boucher also invent the character of Lena.

663
00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:31.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

664
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.400
But he's the one who's responsible, I think, in Blake 7 for those.

665
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:42.420
Writing the whole bloody thing. why those fights between the characters are so entertaining. because they have jokes in them.

666
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:43.139
Yeah, yeah.

667
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:44.579
Whereas Eric Say would writing, okay?

668
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.039
fighting with each other is just excruciating.

669
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:53.280
I think I think we actually just saw his persuasive romantic technique in bars in the way that he writes.

670
00:39:53.340 --> 00:39:54.960
That's not true, by the way.

671
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.659
Just thinking about Chris Boucher, though.

672
00:39:57.719 --> 00:39:59.820
I'm just imagining the Blake 7 production office.

673
00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:01.440
Hey, Chris, have you got the latest script from Terry?

674
00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:02.280
Yeah, both pages.

675
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:28.380
Well, dear listener, as we pat down our singed coattails, I think it might be time for a bit of a costume party.

676
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.780
Please join us next week for Black Orchard.

677
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:37.440
Until then, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter.

678
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:51.599
I'm sure by now Roger Moore has gotten to some stupid costumes over on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes, Bondfinger Cast on Twitter, and I've definitely got into a stupid costume by now on Doctor Who in 10 seconds over on YouTube.

679
00:40:51.659 --> 00:40:57.179
Until next week, may none of your action figures be destroyed by Nissa's industrial strength vibrate.

680
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:58.860
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

681
00:40:58.920 --> 00:40:59.760
Good night.

682
00:40:59.820 --> 00:41:01.019
Vibrate softly on.

683
00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:10.920
That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

684
00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:16.199
This episode, a deaf wish, but for Antrik, was recorded on 28th of May 2016.

685
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.139
The next episode will be released on the 10th July.

686
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:30.059
Listeners are warned that long-term exposure to soliton gas may cause dizziness, hallucinations, and severely impaired judgement, as you'll already know if you've ever watched season 22.

687
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:33.059
Okay.

688
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.099
We've run out the timer.

689
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:36.059
Okay, cool.

690
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.280
It's so hard to find anything to say about this thing.

691
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.300
Nothing happens.

692
00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:40.260
That's fine.

693
00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:42.960
I think it's, you know, I like it, but I agree, it's kind of nothing.

694
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.139
I like it because it's not absolutely terrible.

695
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.400
I like it in the absence of any other strong emotion.

696
00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:53.280
They should put that on the DVD cover.

697
00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:55.739
There's your tag.

698
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:57.119
Okay.