WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 16:17:20 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.719 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through 2 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:34.500 Entirety. 3 00:00:34.619 --> 00:00:37.140 The only Doctor Who podcast who spend a lot of time talking about 4 00:00:37.140 --> 00:00:39.479 somewhere called Merrylands. 5 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.359 To get that joke, just remember we live in Sydney and work 6 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:42.659 backwards. 7 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:43.259 I'm Brendan. 8 00:00:43.380 --> 00:00:48.000 I'm Nathan I'm a mutant non-ninja space terrapin for this one. 9 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:51.299 What story are we doing? 10 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:52.560 The visitors. 11 00:00:53.340 --> 00:00:55.619 Richard is correct. 12 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:58.500 We do have some business coming in for the visitation. 13 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:20.459 And I'm disgusted in myself as a child of the late '80s, early '90s 14 00:01:20.459 --> 00:01:23.099 never picking up the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles connection. 15 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.340 It's the other '80s comic romp about subterranean turtles. 16 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:27.420 They even live underground. 17 00:01:28.859 --> 00:01:32.459 And they're not aliens, Michael Bay. 18 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:36.299 Sorry, really, really bitter about the new Turtles movies in case 19 00:01:36.299 --> 00:01:36.900 you couldn't tell. 20 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.060 Even if they do have Stephen Aymer in them. 21 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:42.180 Actually, I should release my my blooper reel where I make fun of 22 00:01:42.180 --> 00:01:43.980 Michael Bay, although he might sue. 23 00:01:43.980 --> 00:01:44.579 Boom. 24 00:01:44.939 --> 00:01:47.400 Well, this is terrible, isn't it? 25 00:01:47.459 --> 00:01:51.480 It's like the Time Warrior with all the fun and wit taken out. 26 00:01:51.540 --> 00:01:52.439 And all the characters. 27 00:01:52.500 --> 00:01:56.159 Well, it's actually just for to doomsday with shellfish, isn't 28 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:56.340 it? 29 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:57.659 Or it's horror of Fang Rock. 30 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:02.159 I actually literally mean it is the Time Warrior. 31 00:02:02.219 --> 00:02:06.719 So we even get the opening scene where people in a sort of ill 32 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:10.319 defined period of the past, look out of window, see a special 33 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.139 effect, and some kind of thing is landing. 34 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.180 It emerges. 35 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:18.780 There are sort of villages and all sorts of things, you know, it's 36 00:02:18.780 --> 00:02:19.919 a threat to the future. 37 00:02:19.979 --> 00:02:24.599 But it's just really not very interesting. 38 00:02:24.659 --> 00:02:30.960 And the fact that there is literally a guest cast of one, plus a 39 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:36.419 turtle, whom the writer criticised ad nauseam for years later, Mr 40 00:02:36.419 --> 00:02:37.080 Seward. 41 00:02:37.139 --> 00:02:39.479 He's very 1st script, and we'll get to him a sec, because 42 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:40.319 apparently this one's mine. 43 00:02:40.379 --> 00:02:40.979 I know. 44 00:02:40.979 --> 00:02:45.060 In a sec, for saying that I hadn't watched Doctor Who since the 45 00:02:45.060 --> 00:02:50.939 60s, and he thought he'd invented the historical SF crossover with 46 00:02:50.939 --> 00:02:51.419 this story. 47 00:02:51.659 --> 00:02:57.599 But he is clearly creeping on Bob Holmes, and he goes on to be a 48 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:01.080 great admirer of Bob Holmes, and he does try to be funny. 49 00:03:01.139 --> 00:03:05.699 There are one or 2 funny lines, but Bob Holmes creates a really 50 00:03:05.699 --> 00:03:06.419 rich world. 51 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.139 I mean, you know, like the Time Warrior, Bob Holmes sets it in the 52 00:03:10.139 --> 00:03:13.259 most sort of generic mediaeval setting possible. 53 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:14.879 Like he doesn't do any research. 54 00:03:14.939 --> 00:03:17.639 There are castles and there are monks and stuff and I'm sure all 55 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:19.560 that happened at some point in English history. 56 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:24.300 But here, you know, it's a pretty thin historical Glenda Jackson's 57 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:25.199 still queen here, though. 58 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:26.759 You can feel it. 59 00:03:26.819 --> 00:03:30.900 Yeah, you know, you know where you are in the BBC when this romps 60 00:03:30.900 --> 00:03:31.199 home. 61 00:03:31.259 --> 00:03:34.680 I just think the great killer is that quite terrific guest 62 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:38.879 supporting cast is killed off in the 1st 4 minutes. 63 00:03:38.939 --> 00:03:40.860 Count it, kids, 4 minutes. 64 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:42.360 It's evident. 65 00:03:42.419 --> 00:03:43.500 And he's great. 66 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.919 And this press was saying, Chris, no, he had equal standing. in 67 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.560 the popular lovingness at the time with Davis Synonyms. 68 00:03:49.620 --> 00:03:53.039 Oh, this great guy, apparently he was trenchant and funny and dry 69 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:56.580 on set and had the whole cast laughing and Janet was saying, we 70 00:03:56.580 --> 00:03:58.139 were all looking forward to this shoot. 71 00:03:58.199 --> 00:03:58.800 It was terrific. 72 00:03:58.860 --> 00:04:01.199 We had Michael Robman's been really dry with all his theatre 73 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:01.560 stories. 74 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:03.240 And then we had John being hilarious. 75 00:04:03.300 --> 00:04:06.120 Didn't turn up the next day because he was killed. 76 00:04:06.180 --> 00:04:08.039 Yeah, he was shocked too. 77 00:04:08.099 --> 00:04:10.439 He thought his character had to get a longer contract, yeah. 78 00:04:10.500 --> 00:04:12.300 See, I think that's actually brilliant. 79 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:16.740 It's what's become known now in certain circles as the deep blue 80 00:04:16.740 --> 00:04:18.000 sea principle. 81 00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:22.379 And I say that because a film about, oh, probably 15 years ago, now 82 00:04:22.379 --> 00:04:24.839 Deep Blue Sea, about killer sharks. 83 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:26.279 Genetically modified. 84 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:28.019 Genetically modified killer sharks. 85 00:04:28.019 --> 00:04:31.259 Trying to find a cure for Alzheimer's disease. 86 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:32.819 Yeah, that's actually the plot. 87 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:35.579 With Samuel L. Jackson. 88 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:38.639 And there's... 89 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:40.680 Yeah, it's actually quite a good killer animal film. 90 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:44.579 You know, it's up there with the swarm by Irwin Allen. 91 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:48.420 So Samuel L. Jackson is in there and he has this big speech at one 92 00:04:48.420 --> 00:04:50.639 point after everything's gone to hell about how everyone's going 93 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.040 to get out and everyone's going to be fine and then a shark eats 94 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:53.220 him. 95 00:04:53.339 --> 00:04:55.740 In the middle of the speed, in the middle of the... 96 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:57.720 Now, the thing is... 97 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.740 Samuel Jackson had agreed to do the film on principle and then got 98 00:05:01.740 --> 00:05:05.279 the script and he was outraged and he called his agent and he said 99 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:06.300 no, I don't do this anymore. 100 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:10.259 You know, I got killed in Jurassic Park, but I'm a big name actor 101 00:05:10.259 --> 00:05:10.560 now. 102 00:05:10.620 --> 00:05:13.079 I don't get killed halfway through and he said it's also about 103 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:13.860 representation. 104 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.620 You know, it's just me and LL Cool J, we're the only black 105 00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:17.519 characters in the film. 106 00:05:17.579 --> 00:05:20.639 And I'm getting killed and his agent said, let me stop you 107 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:21.000 Samuel. 108 00:05:21.060 --> 00:05:23.040 You top billing in the film. 109 00:05:23.100 --> 00:05:24.660 Yeah, but it's not about the money. 110 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:26.759 No, Samuel, listen, you're top building in the film. 111 00:05:26.819 --> 00:05:29.100 So everyone is going to expect you to survive. 112 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.980 And then you die and suddenly anyone can die. 113 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:33.420 And he went, oh, okay. 114 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:35.160 Yeah, all right, I'll do it. 115 00:05:35.220 --> 00:05:36.240 And that's what you get here. 116 00:05:36.300 --> 00:05:39.480 You're introduced to these people and you do get them chatting and 117 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.939 having a lovely time and having a sweet relationship. 118 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:43.680 I feel a definite chill about my shoulders. 119 00:05:43.740 --> 00:05:47.339 And then, yeah, they're all they're all horribly murdered. 120 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.060 And so you get horribly murdered. 121 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:56.939 You know, as Russell T. Davis says about Stephen Moffatt, Stephen's 122 00:05:56.939 --> 00:05:59.579 specialty is creating interesting characters and they're melting 123 00:05:59.579 --> 00:05:59.939 them. 124 00:06:00.660 --> 00:06:05.759 So as much as we have paid out on Eric Seywood already, despite 125 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:08.220 the fact this is where he officially arrives, and we're going to 126 00:06:08.220 --> 00:06:09.300 continue paying out on him. 127 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.899 I actually think this opening gambit is incredibly effective and 128 00:06:12.899 --> 00:06:14.220 incredibly well done on his part. 129 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:14.939 So kudos. 130 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:16.199 Okay. 131 00:06:16.259 --> 00:06:17.399 I couldn't agree more. 132 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.300 Where would he want to say about the script, clot, blah. 133 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:22.319 Look there isn't one. 134 00:06:22.379 --> 00:06:25.860 And this is one of those stories that is remembered so fondly, and 135 00:06:25.860 --> 00:06:27.180 does look very stylish. 136 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.939 Well, certainly made well and everyone was working terrifically 137 00:06:29.939 --> 00:06:31.740 hard, ordeal. 138 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.579 Dies, Morel, did a lovely thing with tropical fish. 139 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.399 She keeps tropical fish, she keeps tropical fish, not in her 140 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:38.939 underpans. 141 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.399 If anyone remembers Alexis Sal. 142 00:06:41.459 --> 00:06:45.839 But, but, you know, and we've got wonderful Michael Amelia, whose 143 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:51.180 socks turned black from the heat, you know, as the chiefy terrelet 144 00:06:51.180 --> 00:06:55.319 pool, but looking at it again, the memory cheats, it plods along. 145 00:06:55.379 --> 00:06:58.079 It's not as well scripted or as well thought out. 146 00:06:58.139 --> 00:06:59.220 It's a say word story. 147 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:03.899 And as much as I love it as a, it feels like a trout and romp. 148 00:07:04.019 --> 00:07:05.339 It just, you know, it should be. 149 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:09.180 Peter's doing a great job and trying to bring lightness to it. 150 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:10.439 I think the rest of the cost. 151 00:07:10.500 --> 00:07:12.120 Poor old bloody Nissa. 152 00:07:12.180 --> 00:07:15.660 I God, you know, at least she's, you know, stuck inside again in a 153 00:07:15.660 --> 00:07:15.839 room. 154 00:07:15.899 --> 00:07:16.620 We need to say it. 155 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:18.120 It's not just that too. 156 00:07:18.180 --> 00:07:21.660 There's scenes of Janet, like some really absorbing scenes of 157 00:07:21.660 --> 00:07:24.480 Janet transferring test tubes from one box to another. 158 00:07:24.540 --> 00:07:28.740 While this is, again, why she's over that thing. 159 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:32.399 Well, this is sort of plugging a Mercano set together. 160 00:07:32.459 --> 00:07:35.279 I mean, those scenes are boring and they're going to become more 161 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:39.360 and more frequent. doing that kind of thing and we still found it 162 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:39.779 boring. 163 00:07:39.899 --> 00:07:44.040 Yeah, and we ran into the same problem as we had last week in that 164 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.459 the principal guest cast member who spends the most time with the 165 00:07:47.459 --> 00:07:50.819 doctor is far more interesting than any of the other companions 166 00:07:50.819 --> 00:07:52.680 even if he is rather terribly played. 167 00:07:52.740 --> 00:07:56.040 Do you know, there's that hilarious anecdote in the commentary 168 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:00.300 where Matthew Waterhouse complains that Michael Robbins spent the 169 00:08:00.300 --> 00:08:04.079 entire shoot saying how terrible Doctor Who was and how he was 170 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.199 slumming it and how this was awful and really horrific. 171 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.439 And Matthew says, he was in on the buses. 172 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:17.519 Which Weedley has been really successful in the US in the last 173 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:18.839 well, I don't know, 15 years long. 174 00:08:18.899 --> 00:08:20.639 PBS comedy channel. 175 00:08:20.699 --> 00:08:21.360 So there you go. 176 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:23.519 British stuff will always be timeless. 177 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.279 It was the Golden Age of television broadcast. 178 00:08:26.339 --> 00:08:29.160 Well, I think it wasn't on the bus as the movie, like the highest 179 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.519 grossing film in Britain in 1972 or something. 180 00:08:32.580 --> 00:08:35.519 It was... with Regvani and some people. 181 00:08:35.580 --> 00:08:37.139 Yeah, awful. 182 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.860 And we wonder why they elected David Cameron clearly. 183 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:44.100 Michael Robbins does a terrific job and he gets a lot of shtick 184 00:08:44.100 --> 00:08:47.700 for, you know, overplaying it or underplaying it or siding playing 185 00:08:47.700 --> 00:08:55.379 it, whatever it is, but he is the entire population of the 16th 186 00:08:55.379 --> 00:08:56.340 century, as far as we can tell. 187 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:59.639 Although you do get William Hartnell wandering in at one point, you 188 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:03.120 know, the village Gelda, who I was sure was Richard Herndel when I 189 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:03.659 was a child. 190 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:06.600 That seems awful, isn't it? 191 00:09:06.659 --> 00:09:09.659 Where the villagers who appear in no other scene... 192 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:11.039 I had no names other than what they do. 193 00:09:11.100 --> 00:09:13.440 No, they're really miller. 194 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:17.039 You better go and mill something now because there's a mill over 195 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:17.220 there. 196 00:09:17.220 --> 00:09:18.360 It's looking empty. 197 00:09:18.419 --> 00:09:20.220 I'm the 1st headman, you know. 198 00:09:21.899 --> 00:09:25.379 The character of Richard Mace. we know where he originates? 199 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:26.159 Yes, we do. 200 00:09:26.220 --> 00:09:30.600 It's from the voluminous cupboardy type thing of Eric Saywatt. 201 00:09:30.659 --> 00:09:31.799 It was on the radiogram. 202 00:09:31.860 --> 00:09:36.059 In the 19 blar, late 60s, played by a man. 203 00:09:36.179 --> 00:09:38.340 A white wig. 204 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:42.179 And given it was for radio, you know, the wig was just his. 205 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:45.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was a swashbug me. 206 00:09:45.179 --> 00:09:48.659 Oh, it was his go at Adam Adamant, but... 207 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.320 Yeah, it didn't actually work out that well for him, did it as a 208 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:52.980 career move? 209 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:55.559 But then again, neither did Doctor Who in the end, did it? 210 00:09:55.620 --> 00:09:56.220 Sorry, Eric. 211 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.879 He's trying to do, he's trying to do a big Holmes character. 212 00:09:59.940 --> 00:10:01.679 He's trying to do Garren. 213 00:10:01.740 --> 00:10:04.679 Yeah, the big fat fib, but say, you know, it was just the 1st tie 214 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.620 I've ever seen, Doctor Who, you know, since the Shipps. 215 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:08.759 I've had a career. 216 00:10:08.820 --> 00:10:12.899 Yeah, you know, writing playthings that people go in. 217 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:16.379 Sometimes they. 218 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.100 You never leave, Eric. 219 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:23.639 I always think then of what Stephen Moffat said about theatre 220 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:23.879 once. 221 00:10:23.940 --> 00:10:28.259 He said, I went to see a play with my wife and said, so what 222 00:10:28.259 --> 00:10:29.820 television show is this? 223 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:30.840 No, no, it's a play. 224 00:10:30.899 --> 00:10:32.399 Oh, so it's not on television? 225 00:10:32.460 --> 00:10:34.440 No, Steve, it's not on television. 226 00:10:34.500 --> 00:10:34.799 Really? 227 00:10:34.860 --> 00:10:35.460 What did they do wrong? 228 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:41.100 Which is horribly unfair because, yeah, I love the theatre I used 229 00:10:41.100 --> 00:10:42.299 to be in theatre things. 230 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.539 I think I've got some voice work coming up in an amateur theatre 231 00:10:45.539 --> 00:10:45.960 thing soon. 232 00:10:46.019 --> 00:10:47.100 I'm doing it now. 233 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:47.879 I'm doing it now. 234 00:10:47.940 --> 00:10:49.500 I'm sending them this. 235 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.919 They're going to play this over Gilligan's Island spoof. 236 00:10:52.980 --> 00:10:56.039 Okay, let's just say how fantastic the visitors really is because 237 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:56.940 it really is. 238 00:10:56.940 --> 00:10:57.779 It looks gorgeous. 239 00:10:57.899 --> 00:10:59.039 It's got lots of things happening. 240 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:03.539 It's got tin clavic, and it's got pintaric, and it's got polygrite 241 00:11:03.539 --> 00:11:05.820 and I think they did actually win Eurovision this year. 242 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:06.779 They did. 243 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:08.879 And it's also the planet Raga? 244 00:11:08.940 --> 00:11:10.860 New Romantic Skiffle Band, yes. 245 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.440 It's got a new romantic Android. 246 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:14.460 Yeah. 247 00:11:14.460 --> 00:11:17.220 Android based on that. 248 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:18.299 I'm sorry, no. 249 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:19.980 Got cricket gloves. 250 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.320 Yeah, and it's got and it's also got a silly head. 251 00:11:22.379 --> 00:11:25.559 Why are they making anthropomorphic androids when they look like 252 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:26.100 turtles? 253 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.620 It's just racism gone mad. 254 00:11:30.179 --> 00:11:34.620 Actually, I actually think that the pteroreptils are a post-racial 255 00:11:34.620 --> 00:11:37.679 society, because one of them's blue, one of them's red, and one of 256 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.600 them's green. tropical. 257 00:11:39.659 --> 00:11:42.779 They all live together in peace and harmony. 258 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:47.159 And they're able, like many other aliens before them, to pronounce 259 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:50.700 labial consonants, even though their lips never make one another. 260 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:52.559 So glad you brought them. 261 00:11:52.620 --> 00:11:55.200 It's my new job on the podcast. 262 00:11:55.259 --> 00:11:58.980 Yeah, well, one of our friends of the podcast, Matt Hounsel, was 263 00:11:58.980 --> 00:12:00.899 very glad of that lesson. 264 00:12:01.019 --> 00:12:02.580 She's a big fan of such things. 265 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:07.679 I do like that they've discovered dimensional transcendentalism. 266 00:12:07.740 --> 00:12:10.440 Well, they're speaking from the lips to the teeth. 267 00:12:10.500 --> 00:12:12.419 Well, there is a note. 268 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.220 Pete just, I have to be a little nerd about this. 269 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:17.159 There is a note when the doctor says that, you know, it's not just 270 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:21.179 partly buried underneath that the escape pod does actually seem to 271 00:12:21.179 --> 00:12:22.139 be bigger on the inside. 272 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.299 There's a little reference to that. 273 00:12:24.419 --> 00:12:26.820 So there, and he does mention that this society is far more 274 00:12:26.820 --> 00:12:28.860 advanced than he even he thought. 275 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.200 Look, I'm gonna have to jump in here. 276 00:12:31.259 --> 00:12:32.639 This is Todd's favourite story of the season. 277 00:12:32.700 --> 00:12:34.980 And to be honest, it's not far off mine. 278 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:36.539 I actually really enjoy this. 279 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:38.820 Yeah, I had such fond memories of this, and I certainly did enjoy 280 00:12:38.820 --> 00:12:40.620 watching your lovely DVD copy. 281 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:41.279 Thank you, Brandon. 282 00:12:41.580 --> 00:12:44.940 It's the only one I don't own an interesting, isn't it? 283 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:46.019 It is. 284 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.539 It's still fun, but I think maybe it's just being our certain 285 00:12:48.539 --> 00:12:48.899 age. 286 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:50.639 We have such high expectations of it. 287 00:12:50.700 --> 00:12:54.899 It's remembered as being it's almost the invasion of the 80s, isn't 288 00:12:54.899 --> 00:12:55.080 it? 289 00:12:55.139 --> 00:12:57.600 We just see it as being the way to do a show. 290 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:00.000 And that's why it sort of hits you. 291 00:13:00.059 --> 00:13:02.759 Things like Kinder, you don't expect to remember so well. 292 00:13:02.820 --> 00:13:05.759 You just remember it being kind of flat and overlit and they're 293 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:06.659 just having the 2 sets. 294 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.899 So there's a blandness in the representation that you expect to be 295 00:13:09.899 --> 00:13:12.000 reflected in the story and that isn't the case. 296 00:13:12.059 --> 00:13:16.980 I think in this one, there is less to this than your expectations 297 00:13:16.980 --> 00:13:19.019 and memory provides. 298 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.600 I think as much as I enjoy it, a big problem is the lack of 299 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:21.960 humour. 300 00:13:22.019 --> 00:13:23.159 Thank you. 301 00:13:23.220 --> 00:13:27.120 It's really just Richard Mace throwing gags out and just watching 302 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.759 them clatter to the studio floor. 303 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.700 And because the actor's not having a good time either, his 304 00:13:32.700 --> 00:13:34.320 delivery of the gags. 305 00:13:34.379 --> 00:13:36.120 Obviously not having a housemaid's knee. 306 00:13:36.179 --> 00:13:39.360 Well, no, as Nathan was saying, you know, he felt that Doctor Who 307 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:40.139 was slumming it. 308 00:13:40.259 --> 00:13:43.320 Yeah, according to the rest of the cast. 309 00:13:43.379 --> 00:13:46.259 I've never heard of an actor actually saying that, though, on a 310 00:13:46.259 --> 00:13:46.679 shoot. 311 00:13:46.740 --> 00:13:48.720 It's always like, I'm getting seen. 312 00:13:48.779 --> 00:13:49.980 People are looking at me. 313 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:51.659 This is wonderful. 314 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:54.240 Well, Clyde Swift. 315 00:13:54.299 --> 00:13:56.580 You remember that interview with Clyde Swift from Doctor Who 316 00:13:56.580 --> 00:13:57.000 magazine? 317 00:13:57.059 --> 00:13:59.100 Which is, I think, one of the greatest interviews of all time. 318 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:02.399 I've put that up on the Holy Book of Face and my great friend, some 319 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:04.500 of them have never even watched Doctor Who said, I love this man. 320 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:06.840 Because they all help it from the other thing. 321 00:14:06.899 --> 00:14:10.379 The other thing. inside Patricia Rutledge. 322 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:12.840 That's the one. 323 00:14:12.899 --> 00:14:16.019 I do actually think that Eric Say would have put together a 324 00:14:16.019 --> 00:14:17.220 perfectly competent script. 325 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.460 I don't think it necessarily proves his competency as script 326 00:14:20.460 --> 00:14:20.879 editor. 327 00:14:20.940 --> 00:14:21.600 Yeah. 328 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.539 I mean, you know, maybe Anthony Root didn't have to do that much 329 00:14:24.539 --> 00:14:28.679 work on it and maybe that was the proviso, but, you know, there's 330 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.740 no indication, for instance, that they asked Christopher Bailey to 331 00:14:31.740 --> 00:14:35.220 be script editor, which can you... 332 00:14:35.220 --> 00:14:37.500 He would have said no, surely. 333 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.200 Oh, you would think, but yeah, if they're going to be asking 334 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.480 people, I'm glad they didn't ask Terence Dudley. 335 00:14:42.539 --> 00:14:43.799 Oh, he's terrible. 336 00:14:43.860 --> 00:14:45.659 They could have asked Peter Grimway. 337 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:47.700 Well, he's terrible as well. 338 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.539 Although he then goes and writes for us. in the next few weeks 339 00:14:51.539 --> 00:14:52.019 doesn't he? 340 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:55.019 Well, I'm gonna argue that the script's not the problem there, but 341 00:14:55.019 --> 00:14:55.740 we're getting ahead of ourselves. 342 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:58.139 I think it's not necessarily the problem here either. 343 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.200 For me, it's lack of time and development. 344 00:15:01.259 --> 00:15:03.779 I think this is one of those stories if the cast had been allowed 345 00:15:03.779 --> 00:15:06.299 to spend 2 weeks. 346 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:09.840 Look at the 60s and why we got time to rehearse and build a 347 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:11.159 rapport together and work up. 348 00:15:11.220 --> 00:15:14.820 It'll fun things that seem very natural when we saw them on 349 00:15:14.820 --> 00:15:15.120 screen. 350 00:15:15.179 --> 00:15:17.580 We're not getting that here and they just not give them the time 351 00:15:17.580 --> 00:15:18.179 to rehearse. 352 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.960 I'm finding this season that there's just a lot of people walking 353 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:23.879 around from place to place. 354 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.000 There's no real forward momentum. 355 00:15:27.059 --> 00:15:31.620 I read Sandifer's review of this and he thinks that it moves along 356 00:15:31.620 --> 00:15:35.100 at a sort of, you know, some sort of clip, but I can't see that 357 00:15:35.100 --> 00:15:35.940 myself. 358 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.299 And certainly there's just lots and lots of scenes, as we said 359 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:45.120 before, of Nisa assembling a machine of Tegan, you know, machine 360 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:45.720 of Tegan. 361 00:15:45.779 --> 00:15:46.740 You've already got one. 362 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:47.580 It's called tea. 363 00:15:47.700 --> 00:15:50.159 The walk's not quite wrong. 364 00:15:53.220 --> 00:15:54.419 Coming up, kids. 365 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.179 There's just not a lot happening here. 366 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:00.480 And, and, you know, it finally picks up, I think, once we move to 367 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:05.340 London in episode four, but before that, there's a lot of, and 368 00:16:05.340 --> 00:16:08.580 here goes to the Tardisan, we go to this house and they go to the 369 00:16:08.580 --> 00:16:13.860 other house and without characters to motivate it, without really 370 00:16:13.860 --> 00:16:17.759 anything very much interesting going on by means of action 371 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.399 sequences, it's just a bit tedious. 372 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:24.240 And very little that the characters actually do influence the 373 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:24.600 plot. 374 00:16:24.659 --> 00:16:27.899 Something I said a couple of weeks ago is across the course of 375 00:16:27.899 --> 00:16:32.639 season 19, something it does try to do with arguably the too many 376 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:36.840 regular characters it has of the total number of four, is it 377 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:38.639 splits them up into different combinations. 378 00:16:38.700 --> 00:16:43.019 So in Florida Doomsday, We had Adracanissa spent most of the story 379 00:16:43.019 --> 00:16:43.500 together. 380 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.379 Here, Adrick and Tegan spent a lot of time together. 381 00:16:46.500 --> 00:16:50.879 And contrary to the bickering at the end of last story. 382 00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:53.879 They actually work reasonably well together to get out of that 383 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:54.059 cell. 384 00:16:54.179 --> 00:16:55.919 But it becomes a bit of a loop story. 385 00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:59.279 You know, Tegan gets captured, but Adrick gets away, but all 386 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:02.580 Adrick does is just say, oh, Tegan's been captured and then gets 387 00:17:02.580 --> 00:17:03.899 stuck in the TARDIS for a bit. 388 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:08.519 And nobody wants to make a reincarnated high priest out of her, do 389 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:08.759 they? 390 00:17:08.819 --> 00:17:10.859 That's the big failing here. 391 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:12.180 What's missing in the room? 392 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:14.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 393 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:18.480 They didn't have trouble managing for regulars when... 394 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:19.799 No, they jolly well did. 395 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:23.339 When it was Barbara, Ian and Susan or Barbara, Ian and Vicky. 396 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.940 They didn't when it was Ben Polly and Jamie. 397 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:28.619 However briefly. 398 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.019 You know, I don't think it's 4 characters. 399 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.920 I think it's these 4 cats. when it was Billy and Dodo and her 400 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:35.400 accent. 401 00:17:36.299 --> 00:17:40.019 So, yeah, I suppose what we're really missing is an older 402 00:17:40.019 --> 00:17:43.799 companion figure and preferably an older cast member would be 403 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:43.980 nice. 404 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.259 But also like Neris. 405 00:17:46.380 --> 00:17:51.119 We joked about a month ago that wouldn't Auntie Vanessa have been 406 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:52.079 great as a companion. 407 00:17:52.140 --> 00:17:53.940 And the thing is... 408 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:55.259 She would have been. 409 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:56.640 Yeah, it would have been great. 410 00:17:56.700 --> 00:18:00.180 Even in, like, if you just look at those 1st few scenes she has 411 00:18:00.180 --> 00:18:03.779 with Tegan, her character is more readily defined than Tegan. 412 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:08.160 Or if we had Todd from last week, Nerris Hughes, stick around. 413 00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:12.420 You know, when I say she's older, she's in her 30s rather than in 414 00:18:12.420 --> 00:18:13.200 her 20s. 415 00:18:13.259 --> 00:18:17.099 But that gulf of age gap. 416 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:22.140 Like, if I think to myself in my early 20s compared to my age now 417 00:18:22.140 --> 00:18:25.319 it doesn't seem like a huge span of time, but it's a huge span of 418 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:25.980 maturity. 419 00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:30.539 We've got 2 companions who are what, 18, 19 the actors, Matthew 420 00:18:30.539 --> 00:18:33.180 Waterhouse and Sarah Sutton, even though Sarah Sutton, I think 421 00:18:33.180 --> 00:18:34.259 plays it older. 422 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.440 She doesn't look older, so there's that weird tension there. 423 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:40.200 But then you've got Janet Fielding, who's not quite sure what 424 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:40.859 she's doing yet. 425 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:43.619 So sometimes she's playing it like she's 12 and sometimes she's 426 00:18:43.619 --> 00:18:44.579 playing it like she's 25. 427 00:18:44.819 --> 00:18:47.759 And I don't necessarily think that's Janet's fault because she 428 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:51.599 will prove herself to be very, very capable as her time goes on. 429 00:18:51.660 --> 00:18:54.779 Yeah, Barbara, we're missing we're missing a Barbara. 430 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:55.859 We're missing a voice of reason. 431 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:59.220 I think we're just missing someone with theatrical experience in 432 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:02.160 this, but we do have that in Peter, and we do actually have that 433 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.799 in Sarah Sutton as well. 434 00:19:04.859 --> 00:19:06.660 She'd been working since the early 70s. 435 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.140 Yeah, she's good, but she's just constantly sidelined. constantly 436 00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:10.680 in her room. 437 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:12.420 Plugged in. 438 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:13.259 That's it. 439 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:16.319 Well, I think the reason for that might be... 440 00:19:16.980 --> 00:19:19.140 Well, let let sexual frustration. 441 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.559 Well, funnily enough, I was going to say, let's just say that John 442 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:24.720 Nathan Turner seemed to have a personal interest in Matthew 443 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:25.500 Waterhouse. 444 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:27.839 We have heard those rumours. 445 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:29.519 From Matthew Waterhouse. 446 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:33.599 I'd like to think that it was just too hurried and that they 447 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:35.759 didn't have the scripts prepared, but I'm sorry, that's just 448 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:36.299 laziness. 449 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.960 A good theatrical troupe can actually work on the run and create 450 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:40.859 characterisation. 451 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:43.799 You don't put a companion in a box for 4 episodes. 452 00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:44.819 It's very silly. 453 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:48.960 Even Barber would just come back with a space tan. look amazing 454 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.420 and catch up straight away. 455 00:19:53.099 --> 00:19:56.759 Yeah, I'm really getting tired of Nissa getting locked away 456 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.539 because she's the most interesting of the 3 and she's played the 457 00:20:00.539 --> 00:20:01.140 best as well. 458 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.859 I think the lack of understanding of teleobiogenesis is probably a 459 00:20:04.859 --> 00:20:06.480 big part of it, would you not say that? 460 00:20:06.539 --> 00:20:08.039 I would say almost certainly. 461 00:20:08.099 --> 00:20:11.700 They just have to sideline her because she can't come. 462 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.099 Well, how many cheese and wine parties have you seen her at? 463 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:15.900 I mean, you know, those sorts of people just don't get invited. 464 00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:18.900 It's crap. 465 00:20:19.980 --> 00:20:22.140 It should be great and it's not. 466 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:22.920 Why isn't it? 467 00:20:22.980 --> 00:20:25.140 Actually, I was just going to say, you know, I've criticised it 468 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:27.299 for lack of humour, but there is one joke that I think works 469 00:20:27.299 --> 00:20:27.779 really well. 470 00:20:28.259 --> 00:20:30.180 What does that taste like? 471 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:32.099 Can we say that? 472 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:33.420 Nectar. 473 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:35.160 Oh, what does that taste like? 474 00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:36.599 Oh, you stupid... 475 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:40.619 That little exchange between Mason Adrick is actually... 476 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:44.220 But it's because both Matthew Waterhouse and Sarah Sutner are 477 00:20:44.220 --> 00:20:46.920 occasionally given these culture clash moments, and generally 478 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:50.880 Sarah plays them much better, but that one Matthew actually plays 479 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:54.240 perfectly. and has really good comic timing and then unfortunately 480 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:56.039 everything gets blown up by the Android. 481 00:20:56.099 --> 00:20:57.660 I really like. 482 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:02.819 Is it, does the, um, does the pteroreptil say that, um, Tegan is a 483 00:21:02.819 --> 00:21:06.660 very stupid woman or something and she, it's, that's not a very 484 00:21:06.660 --> 00:21:07.559 original observation. 485 00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:09.960 I think it's actually Janet's finest moment in this one. 486 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:16.980 When she does the whole fatigued declass, A, Lauren Bacall, raised 487 00:21:16.980 --> 00:21:17.819 eyebrow thing. 488 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.240 They're all capable actors and that's the thing that I'm kicking 489 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.700 myself over this season is the wasted opportunities. 490 00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:28.440 Yeah, and also in that scene, thank you for not writing in Adrik 491 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:29.220 tells them everything. 492 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:31.140 They want to know because that's getting very tired. 493 00:21:31.259 --> 00:21:32.819 Oh it is though, isn't it? 494 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:34.920 And thankfully it doesn't happen again. 495 00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:37.740 It's the Zoe paradox, isn't it? 496 00:21:37.980 --> 00:21:40.680 You've got a likeable flighty Peter Pan character. 497 00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:43.200 He's actually the 1st Peter Pan played by a man. 498 00:21:43.259 --> 00:21:43.920 Did you know that? 499 00:21:44.579 --> 00:21:49.799 But it worked for them and it's just not working for me here. 500 00:21:49.859 --> 00:21:51.779 And I don't necessarily think it's Matthews. 501 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.480 Matthew, as I've said before, is the only one actually playing it 502 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:55.079 to truth. 503 00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:57.779 He's doing the Steneslevsky method. 504 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:01.380 He's playing at like the New York theatre group as an irritating 505 00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:01.920 teenage boy. 506 00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:02.640 That's what he is. 507 00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:05.099 He's not perfect, waddle, waddle. 508 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.200 When he's running up to the TARDS, and then he runs back to 509 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:08.819 thinking, oh, just bloody all get him. 510 00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:11.400 And you see all the villagers start to beat him up and who doesn't 511 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:11.940 sit at home? 512 00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:17.279 and wrestle a nurturing cheer, just slightly repressed. 513 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:20.880 And I love that she's the point that even this is so bored with it 514 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:21.059 all. 515 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.819 It just grabs a big red knob, doesn't even bother looking at this 516 00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:25.380 ganner screen to see who's outside. 517 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:26.460 I'm just bricking over it. 518 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.200 Bang, whoop. 519 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.859 You know, that so enraged me as a child and I still remember 520 00:22:31.859 --> 00:22:32.880 shouting at the screen. 521 00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:34.380 Why doesn't Nissa help him? 522 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.200 She's got a death wish, but Adric. 523 00:22:37.259 --> 00:22:40.140 And my mother's saying, what is she meant to do? 524 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:41.700 How is she meant to fight off that many people? 525 00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:45.119 I mean, she vibrates something at them. 526 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:47.640 I mean, she told Adric not to go. 527 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:49.019 She did though, didn't she? 528 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:53.220 And she does consider going and then she remembers that she's 529 00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:55.079 supposed to be doing something for the doctor. 530 00:22:55.740 --> 00:23:00.960 But it seems to me that that Android exists simply to give Anissa 531 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.240 and Adrix something to do in episode three. 532 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.519 Yeah, it plays no other role in the plot. 533 00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:07.740 They did some other things for us. 534 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:09.960 Do you remember the 80s? 535 00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:12.359 The Grim Reaper from those Australian age? 536 00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:17.880 Oh, you know, that said, if you go bowling, you'll get A. We were 537 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:18.299 terrified. 538 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:20.640 Honestly, not so much money. 539 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:21.420 You had to be there. 540 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:25.140 It was an ad campaign, gentle listener, the 1st anti-HIV 541 00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:25.680 campaign. 542 00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:30.119 It was actually Australia that came up with a programmed use of 543 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:34.200 prophylactics, of putting condoms in doctor surgeries and pretty 544 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.920 much anywhere else, not in schools, but we were the 1st ones to, we 545 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.460 didn't know that condoms would stop the HOV virus, but it was a 546 00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:43.980 theory and they just went ahead and did it and spent a huge amount 547 00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:45.720 of money on it and it turned out to work. 548 00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:49.140 What strikes me about those ads now because, of course, I saw them 549 00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:51.059 and I was about five. 550 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.539 My parents were both scientists, which meant when I asked, what is 551 00:23:54.539 --> 00:23:54.839 that about? 552 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:56.640 They told me. 553 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:58.380 Not going bowling because it's common. 554 00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:01.200 That's what you'll die of shame. 555 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.079 I recently found it on YouTube and watched it again. 556 00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:05.160 And the thing that struck me. 557 00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:10.559 And this being the 1980s is that it's not full of homosexual 558 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:11.220 stereotypes. 559 00:24:11.339 --> 00:24:14.400 It's full of people from all walks of life to make it clear that 560 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.819 this is not a disease that just affects the time. 561 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.559 Yeah, which is amazing. 562 00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:21.779 I mean, we're getting... 563 00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:24.539 I think my five-year-old mine did make that visual link as well 564 00:24:24.539 --> 00:24:25.440 with the Grim Reaper. 565 00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:28.920 It had resonance for us at school in a way, but none of us, maybe 566 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:31.799 it's about being, I was a 14 year old viewer by then, and none of 567 00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:34.200 it was as frightening as perhaps it was trying to be. 568 00:24:34.259 --> 00:24:36.539 I actually think that's also incidental music. 569 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:42.420 Ding, dong, dong, dong. doesn't really capture me so much as the 570 00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:46.380 music concrete, you know, electroplasmic things. 571 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.980 There is an attempt to be a bit period with the music and that 572 00:24:49.980 --> 00:24:51.900 does kind of work, I think. 573 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:55.619 I don't think the music is that terrible and it is, well, wait 574 00:24:55.619 --> 00:24:57.420 until give us a couple of weeks. 575 00:24:57.480 --> 00:24:59.579 It's going to be shockingly foreshadowing. 576 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:02.460 Yeah, as much as I love Patty Kingsland, he does get rather 577 00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:03.779 excitable sometimes. 578 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:07.740 It's always melodic and it's always enjoyable to listen to, but 579 00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:11.220 it's just like, Patty, Patty, no, this is a sinister chase seat. 580 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:12.599 Give us Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 581 00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:13.740 Not the chairs. 582 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:15.000 I actually like to hear a spinach. 583 00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:18.180 I'd actually like to hear, you know, an early harpsichord in this 584 00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:19.500 of some time or another. 585 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.500 And since it's all electronic, that does get to me to be a bit 586 00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:26.579 jarring, it's like watching the entire production that's done in 587 00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:29.039 CG now, any cartoon, anything. 588 00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:31.500 I was just like, I just want to see the work of someone's hand 589 00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:33.539 here and here. give me a bit of analogue. 590 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:34.559 Yeah. 591 00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:38.039 No, this one's not oddly enough for something that I loved at the 592 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:38.220 time. 593 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:39.599 This show's just not working for me. 594 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:44.160 I'm having a hard time articulating why I like it so much and 595 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:45.359 certainly it has its flaws. 596 00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:47.640 And certainly with the scares you were talking about. 597 00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:52.259 When the Android does don the cape and just grab the scythe 598 00:25:52.259 --> 00:25:55.259 randomly. you know, it's meant to be terrifying, it's actually 599 00:25:55.259 --> 00:26:00.359 funny to me and not funny in the way of that's ridiculous, but oh 600 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.319 I see what you did there. 601 00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:05.220 I think maybe, maybe that's the flaw of this story in the end, it's 602 00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:07.140 not as clever as it thinks it is. 603 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.660 It's a straightforward action adventure. 604 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.240 I can't. without much action. without much action. 605 00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:13.559 But it is adventure. 606 00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:14.819 It does have some great concepts. 607 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.180 I think it's the, is it the episode 3 cliffhanger where Tegan's 608 00:26:18.180 --> 00:26:20.039 going to let the rat out. yeah. 609 00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:22.680 And I think that's very effective, mainly because of Peter 610 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:23.579 Davidson's performance. 611 00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:26.400 And he's off camera. you know that's really well done there. 612 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:29.940 The episode 2 Cliffhanger, on the other hand, is really terrible. 613 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.500 Is that decapitation? 614 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.920 Yeah, yeah. so he lampshades it by saying, oh, no, not again. 615 00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:37.079 But then... 616 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:39.660 We get the same, we get the 1st of the same with tropes. 617 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:41.460 Are you listening to this deal, isn't it? 618 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.500 someone holds his hand up, but wait. 619 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:44.579 Wait, that's it. 620 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.319 That's a resolution of the cliffhanger. 621 00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:47.759 And how many times we're going to see that? 622 00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:49.680 Every freaking day. 623 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:50.400 No, no, no. 624 00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:51.119 Nisa fight. 625 00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:51.779 Oh, yeah. 626 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.180 Yeah, Nissa fights them off in for to do... 627 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.839 This is literally just the guy comes in and says, wait. terrible. 628 00:26:58.019 --> 00:27:02.759 Petticoating the oncoming, but isn't that just at the end of every 629 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:05.279 single Colin Baker story in my dim memory? 630 00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:07.559 Speaking of endings. 631 00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:08.400 Yes. 632 00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:12.420 Oh, the whole of episode 4 actually does lift it a little bit. 633 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.579 I was gonna talk about the Sonic screwdriver. 634 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.740 Oh, that's episode three, is it? 635 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.279 See, to us, fans that just is a little blip. 636 00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:21.240 That's just a little moment. 637 00:27:21.299 --> 00:27:24.359 But for the non-fans, that's all everybody at school talked about 638 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:25.619 for the next day. 639 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:27.119 It was, oh, my God. 640 00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:29.400 My music teacher came up to me and said, did you see the song? 641 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.119 It's CrewDriver. 642 00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:31.500 And I said, yes. 643 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.740 It was very important to me too, probably. 644 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:38.400 So we didn't have the Sonic Screwdriver last week because Nissa 645 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.759 was having a private moment with it in the TARDIS. 646 00:27:41.819 --> 00:27:46.079 And so that just meant that Pete could be locked up in a cage for 647 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:46.920 an episode. 648 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:50.880 Here, he manages to be locked up in a room for a while as well. 649 00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:54.839 And that's going to be a big thing for the Peter Davidson year. 650 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:58.140 He's going to spend episode 3 locked up really, pretty much every 651 00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:00.720 story because he has no Sonic screwdriver. 652 00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:02.460 And I think that that's terrible. 653 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:03.480 So true. 654 00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:07.619 It's been observed before that Bidmead didn't like the Sonic 655 00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:10.380 Screwdriver because he thought it made the doctor too powerful and 656 00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:12.180 it meant that he could defeat things. 657 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.420 But what it meant he could defeat was being locked up. 658 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.380 Yeah, and like unless you think him being locked up or unless you 659 00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:22.319 think him trying to open a door, which we get an extensive 660 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.880 sequence of as well in what episode four, unless you think those 661 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:31.319 things are fun to watch, then maybe the Sonic Screwdriver isn't 662 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:32.579 such a bad idea. 663 00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:36.180 The only reason it's great is that you get the best line for me in 664 00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:40.380 this whole story is when the lead terror leptor just before says 665 00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:45.480 to the doctor, drop the sonic device. 666 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.380 The most dissonic, just as if again, he's reading out the 667 00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:51.240 Eurovision figures for Britain that year. 668 00:28:51.299 --> 00:28:53.039 I'd like to hear Brendan do that. 669 00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:55.980 Drop the sonic device. 670 00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:00.900 He does replace it with a safety pin later, which is quite... and 671 00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:01.440 a bit of string. 672 00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:05.579 They get rid of the Sonic screwdriver because it's a magical 673 00:29:05.579 --> 00:29:08.460 device, and then how does the doctor open a door by magically 674 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:09.119 shooting it? 675 00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:10.140 Yeah, yeah. 676 00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:11.640 What the hell? 677 00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:13.259 Yes, it's a cool moment. 678 00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:14.880 Don't get me wrong, you know. 679 00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:17.460 It's one of those moments where on cinema scenes, they're like 680 00:29:17.460 --> 00:29:19.799 I'll take 3 sins off for that because that's just awesome. 681 00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:22.980 But as cool as it is, you're like, why couldn't you use a magnet? 682 00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:24.420 Oh, ridiculous. 683 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:25.619 You know why? 684 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:29.160 We're trapped in the postmodern idiom, aren't we, Lana? 685 00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:32.640 We're trapped we're trapped in this thing of the 80s. 686 00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:34.619 Doctor was always about the time it's made. 687 00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:39.000 Every other show at the time was jumping into this postmodern 688 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.240 thing and for those of us who didn't bother doing any liberal art 689 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:43.140 subjects at uni. 690 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.859 It was all about the analysis of itself. 691 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.500 Wait till we get to Dragon Fire. 692 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:54.599 But, you know, the text is just a text within a text and can 693 00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.299 reference any other text that's written and we can just pull 694 00:29:57.299 --> 00:29:58.140 things out of everything else. 695 00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:00.660 So we get to the point that nothing really matters. 696 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.779 It's just how it's all thrown together and it's all terrific. 697 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.519 It's a melange. 698 00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:06.839 It's a salad, not a story. 699 00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:10.259 So this is suffering from that as much as anything else, in that 700 00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:12.960 it's a moment followed by a moment, followed by a moment. 701 00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:15.240 Where's the dressing? 702 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.319 I just think it's ineptitude rather than postmodern. 703 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:19.559 Really? 704 00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:20.759 But there was boring. 705 00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:23.039 There was a hell of a lot of this kind of writing at the time. 706 00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:24.900 Yeah, like moonlighting and stuff like that. 707 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:30.180 Yeah, oh, but moonlighting was Carol Lombard and Clark Gable. 708 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:35.279 Moonlight, moonlighting was directly from the scribble comedies of 709 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:35.940 the 30s. 710 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.579 No, the whole post-modernism thing. 711 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.400 So it kind of sounds like what Matthew Waterhouse was saying when 712 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.019 making 4 to Doomsday. 713 00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:46.259 Like I can't figure out where my character is in reference to the 714 00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:46.799 other stories. 715 00:30:46.859 --> 00:30:50.039 I will just play it as if this is the only story that's 716 00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:50.339 happening. 717 00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.099 Yeah, and yeah. 718 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.980 It's an interesting thing, isn't it? 719 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:58.619 That they wanted to link all the stories together, but it seems 720 00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:01.140 they didn't want to develop them from one to the other. 721 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:05.579 They really didn't, because as we remember from Dragonfire, the 722 00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:09.839 simiotic thickness of a performed text does vary according to the 723 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.440 redundancy of its auxiliary performance codes, doesn't it? 724 00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:14.519 Or what? 725 00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:18.119 I don't know why we didn't mention that last. why it didn't come 726 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.660 to me back then. 727 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.180 Thank you, Andrew Farmore, but it gets to the point that they 728 00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:23.579 start to send they send it up for itself, and of course that's a 729 00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:24.599 few years down the track. 730 00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:27.720 But I think that's actually what's going to start wearing Pete out 731 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.779 and what's going to be a real ruination for Colin as well. 732 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.119 We can blame scriptedters and all the rest of it. 733 00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:35.579 No, I think we can just blame scripted. 734 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.380 We've had bad script editors before. 735 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.420 We've had John Wildes as producers. 736 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:42.240 We've had some awful things happening, but we still found a lot of 737 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.380 love for what we were watching. 738 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.220 Yeah, so maybe it is a sort of confluence of terrible things, but 739 00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:51.000 I do want to, uh, I do totally want to play Marex Award for 740 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.579 everything that I'm going to say. 741 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:54.660 Well, there's no Nerus in this one. 742 00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.119 Yeah, there's no one interesting to look at. 743 00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:58.680 Oh, I don't know. 744 00:31:58.740 --> 00:31:59.700 Richard Mason's lovely here. 745 00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.559 Including when we get to fear her. 746 00:32:01.619 --> 00:32:03.119 We're going to blame Eric Saywood for that. 747 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.579 I still find a lot to love. 748 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.960 And I'm on record with a few people as saying that there's only 749 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:11.339 one Doctor Who story. 750 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:12.599 I hate and we're not up to that yet. 751 00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:14.460 But having said that... 752 00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:15.119 Can't wait for that one. 753 00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:17.579 Having said that, rewatching season 19. 754 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.160 There may be a second one now, but it's not this. 755 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:21.359 This is exciting. 756 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:22.440 And we're not up to it yet. 757 00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:24.599 So there's 3 other possibilities. 758 00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:27.180 Yes, I know which one it is. 759 00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:30.960 Can we talk episode four? 760 00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:32.339 Yes, I think we should. 761 00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:37.019 The pteraleptal throws on a cloak and he has a bit of camel toe? 762 00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:39.720 Tick on location, I seem to notice. 763 00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:43.319 I think probably has a cloacre rather than external genitals 764 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.059 though, as a terrible. 765 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.079 So, yes, as an other positive... 766 00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:50.880 He could have been a lady terrelaptor. 767 00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:53.039 Shape. shaped like the Android. 768 00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:54.299 That's where that shape comes from. 769 00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:55.259 Ah, exactly. 770 00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:56.700 It's a cloacal extension. 771 00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.700 But we... 772 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:03.539 We head off into, into, are we at Ealing? 773 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.099 Like, where are we shooting London? 774 00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:05.700 Yes, yes. 775 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.460 Suddenly it all looks grainy and be perfectly lit and a lot more 776 00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:09.420 fun. doesn't it? 777 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.160 It doesn't look like convincing. 778 00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:14.759 It does look like a set, but it looks like a big set that looks 779 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:15.660 really great. 780 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.819 It's the Mary Morris principle. 781 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.019 You know they only had one day to do this whole thing. 782 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.720 It was pretty impressive for what they were trying to do. 783 00:33:24.779 --> 00:33:28.319 And I reckon probably those terreleptils spent 3 or 4 hours just 784 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.299 huffing soliton before the shot. 785 00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.640 You know that fireball thing? 786 00:33:35.700 --> 00:33:39.119 When they when Pete's standing out to a doctor that Pete's the 787 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:39.900 same thing, isn't it? 788 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.940 They're standing outside and then you go, bloke who was doing the 789 00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:47.099 effect, said, that murdered 5 cars completely school did them. 790 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.119 It was ruined. 791 00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:50.099 The whole thing was ruined. 792 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.019 Cops had the fire brigade. 793 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.359 That was the most exciting day on Doctor Who, that is. 794 00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:56.819 What happened to the little rats? 795 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:57.480 Did they get them out? 796 00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:59.400 They were burned to a crisp. 797 00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:01.440 Where do you get brown tame rats? 798 00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:02.940 Lab rats are always white. 799 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.759 Did they just cover them in Michael Amelia's socks? 800 00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:07.319 go dark. 801 00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:10.739 They got them from the canteen at the television centre, I would 802 00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:10.980 imagine. 803 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:14.820 I lost a pound, he said, on that, probably in a bet with Peters, to 804 00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:18.300 see who, you know, which companion would be flawed for the longest 805 00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:19.260 to turn out to be Nisser again. 806 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.320 So we have a giant climax, Dixie. 807 00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:25.619 And my favourite part of that scene is that Tegan is listlessly 808 00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:27.480 hitting Michael Melia with a. 809 00:34:27.539 --> 00:34:28.679 Well, they're all hung over, aren't they? 810 00:34:28.739 --> 00:34:29.940 stories. 811 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.820 Everyone was had horrible hangovers during the shoot of this 812 00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:33.179 again. 813 00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:37.860 It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. needed it to cope, I 814 00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:38.099 think. 815 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.539 I'm a little bit worried by the fact that Pete decides to skim 816 00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:47.099 vials of deadly virus into the, you know, like across the floor 817 00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:48.059 into the farm. 818 00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:51.119 Just like unwanted Kentucky fried chicken containers. 819 00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:51.480 Yes. 820 00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:53.280 Just throw your lunch in there, kids. 821 00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:56.159 It does seem awfully dangerous. 822 00:34:56.219 --> 00:34:57.239 It does. 823 00:34:57.300 --> 00:34:58.980 Ruined 5 cars. 824 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.219 Oh, it's the last time Stuart fell in Alan Chunks. come out and do 825 00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:06.480 stunts at us. 826 00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:08.460 And Stuart Fell, what does he do? 827 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:09.960 Is he one of the tereleptils? 828 00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:10.980 Rat, isn't he? 829 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:11.639 Is he a rat? 830 00:35:11.699 --> 00:35:12.420 He's very small. 831 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.639 He's more perfectly full. 832 00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:17.699 Actually, the blue terrolaptol is very small, so... 833 00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:18.960 Yeah, I love how he's blue. 834 00:35:19.019 --> 00:35:21.539 Look, the terreleptils are really well designed. 835 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.380 Well, I think the designs are beautiful, but even everyone on set 836 00:35:25.380 --> 00:35:27.780 was saying, well, she obviously didn't think that an actor going 837 00:35:27.780 --> 00:35:28.739 this, would they? 838 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.179 That they were all being quite hissy. 839 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.179 Well, that's always been a problem with Doctor Who Monsters, hasn't 840 00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:33.360 it? 841 00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.719 If you compare them with the Fomasi, you know, the previous year 842 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.480 with their drawstring necks and things. 843 00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:40.920 Like I love the fomasi. 844 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:43.199 I think they look terrific, but they don't look convincing for a 845 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:43.380 second. 846 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.039 The pteroreptil doesn't look sort of particularly convince he's 847 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.860 got sort of wrinkly legs, but the mouth, there's animatronics. 848 00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:51.599 Is this your 1st animatronic? 849 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.599 and the fact that he's got an eye torn out and all of that. 850 00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:56.280 Yeah, it seems to have human teeth. 851 00:35:56.340 --> 00:35:58.800 Did you know they were going to have steam coming out of the side 852 00:35:58.800 --> 00:35:59.460 of his head as well? 853 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:01.320 It's meant to happen? 854 00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:02.039 Didn't happen. 855 00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:03.420 He does look good. 856 00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.280 It is surprising they're not brought back. 857 00:36:05.340 --> 00:36:08.280 He's nicely done and I like his voice intonations. 858 00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:11.280 I can see Michael Milio, because you know, playing Lee Terreptol 859 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.579 and the director was saying, oh, it'd be so great, Michael. 860 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.860 We've even got this fabulous voice modulator. 861 00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:19.500 So your voice will come up like an electronic strain. 862 00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:20.519 He said, no, that's it. 863 00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:23.340 You can get my bloody mother-in-law to do it because no one will 864 00:36:23.340 --> 00:36:25.019 know the difference between me and her. 865 00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:26.280 And it was a good choice. 866 00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:27.599 It was a choice. 867 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.840 I mean, he's a big man and he has presence and even under all that 868 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:31.440 latex. 869 00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:32.820 Yeah, I like him. 870 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.980 He's not a very memorable monster, but he... 871 00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:36.539 He was great at the Fendal, wasn't he? 872 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.440 So I think one thing we can all agree on is that the lead terror 873 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.000 wept or Michael Media is pretty fabulous. 874 00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:42.960 He doesn't put a foot wrong. 875 00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:45.599 Yeah, I'm not that interested in him, I have to say. 876 00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:47.099 He's not links. 877 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.659 Yeah, but you don't dislike him. 878 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.400 No, no, no. think it is a good performance. 879 00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:53.280 And they at least give him a bit of depth by him talking about 880 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:54.360 look, you know, I was a prisoner. 881 00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:55.440 I was tortured. 882 00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:56.639 He was real... 883 00:36:56.699 --> 00:36:57.719 I was a real. 884 00:36:57.780 --> 00:36:59.760 I've lost all this weight to ask me how. 885 00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:03.059 I think that's the thing that sort of lingers with me in this 886 00:37:03.059 --> 00:37:07.619 story, is that we have in the pteroreptils and admittedly only one 887 00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:09.420 of them, but they're given personality. 888 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:13.260 They're given motivation and a bit like last week. 889 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.920 We have a villain, but not an out and out evil villain. 890 00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:20.400 You know, yes, he's going to massacre the entirety of the earth's 891 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:20.760 population. 892 00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:23.400 He's going to massacre the entire the Earth's population, but he's 893 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:25.800 only as much of a real villain as the Solurians are. 894 00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:27.960 The Silurians have a bit more of a claim to the planet. 895 00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:29.699 Interesting to bring them up. 896 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.260 But yeah, he's sort of acting in his interpretation of self 897 00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:34.260 preservation. 898 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.000 It's not just moustache twirling. 899 00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:37.679 I'll tie you to the railroad tracks now. 900 00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:40.079 It's like, okay, you have a motivation. 901 00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:41.099 It is flawed. 902 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.679 You are an amoral character. 903 00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:48.599 We must work to stop you, but it's more interesting than just, I'm 904 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:49.800 going to wipe out humanity. 905 00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:50.219 Why? 906 00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:51.539 Because I'm evil. 907 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.659 But that is why I'm in the doctor offers to take him somewhere 908 00:37:54.659 --> 00:37:57.840 lovely where the other pteroreptils aren't going to be able to 909 00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:58.320 find him. 910 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.780 And he says, no, no, I'll stay here and infect the entire 911 00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:02.579 population with, you know, the plague. 912 00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:05.519 I mean, as much as I admire what you're saying, it is quite 913 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:09.000 difficult to set up an argument for spatial genocide. 914 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:11.159 Others have tried. 915 00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:14.460 Certainly not without going into politics. 916 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.400 This is our 1st character death with a lot of goo gushing from the 917 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.460 head and his eyeballs exploding and stuff. 918 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.679 It's a very season 19 trophy thing. 919 00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:26.400 It is, isn't it? 920 00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:27.659 Yeah, I think it might be, actually. 921 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:28.920 Yeah, it's a bit revolting. 922 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.699 I seem to remember my mother walking in on me when I was watching 923 00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:34.380 Arc of England. 924 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:34.739 Yeah. 925 00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:38.460 And all this stuff was gushing gushing out of Omega's head. 926 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:39.719 Alright, okay. 927 00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:42.840 She was pretty horrified that this was what I was doing for 928 00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:43.559 entertainment. 929 00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:45.539 You know who I think started it all off? 930 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.860 Dorian in Blake 7. when he turned into a sea devil and dissolved 931 00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:51.659 away. previously, isn't it? 932 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:52.320 Just the year before? 933 00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:53.460 Yeah, 4 months before this. 934 00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:57.360 Have you ever heard the theory that the reason that Doctor Who 935 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.079 gets an expanded cast of people who don't seem to like each other 936 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.280 very much and spend a lot of time finding is that Blake 7 had been 937 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.219 cancelled the year before and there was kind of an available slot 938 00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:09.539 for that kind of science? 939 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:10.139 very interesting. 940 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.619 I thought you were going to say they invented the podcast. 941 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:14.639 Yeah, God. 942 00:39:14.699 --> 00:39:16.679 Why couldn't we have Paul Darrow as Adrick? 943 00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:19.019 Why couldn't we have Chris Boucher a scripted out? 944 00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.000 That would have been interesting. 945 00:39:21.059 --> 00:39:24.179 Can you imagine what Janet would have been like as a new Leela? 946 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.360 No, no, she could have been a new Jenner. 947 00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:30.119 Because Stephen Boucher also invent the character of Lena. 948 00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:31.619 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 949 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.739 But he's the one who's responsible, I think, in Blake 7 for 950 00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:35.400 those. 951 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:39.239 Writing the whole bloody thing. why those fights between the 952 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.420 characters are so entertaining. because they have jokes in them. 953 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:43.139 Yeah, yeah. 954 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:44.579 Whereas Eric Say would writing, okay? 955 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.039 fighting with each other is just excruciating. 956 00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:50.699 I think I think we actually just saw his persuasive romantic 957 00:39:50.699 --> 00:39:53.280 technique in bars in the way that he writes. 958 00:39:53.340 --> 00:39:54.960 That's not true, by the way. 959 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.659 Just thinking about Chris Boucher, though. 960 00:39:57.719 --> 00:39:59.820 I'm just imagining the Blake 7 production office. 961 00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:01.440 Hey, Chris, have you got the latest script from Terry? 962 00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:02.280 Yeah, both pages. 963 00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:26.579 Well, dear listener, as we pat down our singed coattails, I think 964 00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:28.380 it might be time for a bit of a costume party. 965 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.780 Please join us next week for Black Orchard. 966 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.019 Until then, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com 967 00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:36.960 flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on 968 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:37.440 Twitter. 969 00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:40.559 I'm sure by now Roger Moore has gotten to some stupid costumes 970 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.099 over on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes 971 00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:47.280 Bondfinger Cast on Twitter, and I've definitely got into a stupid 972 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:51.599 costume by now on Doctor Who in 10 seconds over on YouTube. 973 00:40:51.659 --> 00:40:55.079 Until next week, may none of your action figures be destroyed by 974 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.179 Nissa's industrial strength vibrate. 975 00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:58.860 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 976 00:40:58.920 --> 00:40:59.760 Good night. 977 00:40:59.820 --> 00:41:01.019 Vibrate softly on. 978 00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:07.440 That was Flight Through Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley 979 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.320 Brendan Jones and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron 980 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:10.920 Lamb. 981 00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:15.300 This episode, a deaf wish, but for Antrik, was recorded on 28th of 982 00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:16.199 May 2016. 983 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.139 The next episode will be released on the 10th July. 984 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:23.519 Listeners are warned that long-term exposure to soliton gas may 985 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:26.940 cause dizziness, hallucinations, and severely impaired judgement 986 00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:30.059 as you'll already know if you've ever watched season 22. 987 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:33.059 Okay. 988 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.099 We've run out the timer. 989 00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:36.059 Okay, cool. 990 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.280 It's so hard to find anything to say about this thing. 991 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.300 Nothing happens. 992 00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:40.260 That's fine. 993 00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:42.719 I think it's, you know, I like it, but I agree, it's kind of 994 00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:42.960 nothing. 995 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.139 I like it because it's not absolutely terrible. 996 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.400 I like it in the absence of any other strong emotion. 997 00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:53.280 They should put that on the DVD cover. 998 00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:55.739 There's your tag. 999 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:57.119 Okay.