WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-04 at 16:16:54 1 00:00:30.539 --> 00:00:34.979 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety 2 00:00:34.979 --> 00:00:37.859 the only Doctor Who podcast who would much rather eat than watch 3 00:00:37.859 --> 00:00:38.520 this story. 4 00:00:38.579 --> 00:00:39.240 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:39.299 --> 00:00:39.960 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:40.020 --> 00:00:41.399 I'm Downton Abbey for this episode. 7 00:00:41.460 --> 00:00:46.140 Oh, and if only it were as good as Downton Abbey, it's Black 8 00:00:46.140 --> 00:00:46.799 Orchard. 9 00:00:55.859 --> 00:01:01.560 So, I actually think that episode one of Black Orchid is by far 10 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:03.840 the best episode of the entire season. 11 00:01:03.899 --> 00:01:05.340 Brendan. 12 00:01:05.459 --> 00:01:09.359 You know how last week I said there's only one Doctor Who story I 13 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:11.340 hate, but a 2nd one was working its way up there. 14 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.620 Black Orchids number 2 at the moment. 15 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:18.840 Now, that being said, I will say that I watched Black Orchid twice 16 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.659 in preparation for this, because I watched it the 1st time with 17 00:01:21.659 --> 00:01:24.359 the production subtitles on, incidentally, the production 18 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:25.680 subtitles for this are terrible. 19 00:01:25.739 --> 00:01:29.760 Like, there's instances of 5 minutes with no information, and 20 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.459 that's including when the house is burning down. you know, not 21 00:01:32.459 --> 00:01:34.920 even a, they used a flame bar for this shot. 22 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:36.060 Nothing. 23 00:01:36.180 --> 00:01:37.980 Andrew N. 24 00:01:37.980 --> 00:01:39.299 Pixley would be appalled. 25 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.480 But I did notice that both time I watched it, the 2nd time I 26 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:44.400 watched it with commentary, which was far more entertaining. 27 00:01:44.459 --> 00:01:47.219 Episode one does zip by very quickly. 28 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.379 So that is certainly of benefit. 29 00:01:50.340 --> 00:01:54.659 Listen, I have my lawyers standing by, Brendan. 30 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:58.920 And if you use the word tiresome, you know, take me out a very 31 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:00.299 rich man at this point. 32 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:06.659 Let's go with what I like to start off with... 33 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.180 She's literally called mad. 34 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:10.080 She is called mad. 35 00:02:10.139 --> 00:02:12.840 And I, you know, I have to say there must be something up at 36 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.719 Cranley Hall keeping people young because she looked great on her 37 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:16.919 most recent tour as well. 38 00:02:16.979 --> 00:02:17.699 Really? 39 00:02:17.699 --> 00:02:18.419 Yeah. 40 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:20.039 Madge is Madonna. 41 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:22.680 Yeah, no, no, she's Madonna Crownley. 42 00:02:22.740 --> 00:02:24.599 No, no, it's Madonna Crowley. 43 00:02:25.139 --> 00:02:27.840 Which actually makes that guy Richie. 44 00:02:29.939 --> 00:02:31.740 Poor bugger. 45 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:33.840 He hasn't had much of a career to speak, I really have. 46 00:02:33.900 --> 00:02:38.219 But I would also like to say, it's halfway through part 2 where 47 00:02:38.219 --> 00:02:42.120 the cast on the commentary realise her character's name is Madge 48 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.400 and they just can't speak through it. 49 00:02:45.539 --> 00:02:49.199 And you just get Jetta Fielding constantly saying, magic. 50 00:02:50.219 --> 00:02:53.400 Don't watch this story without the commentary, dear listener. 51 00:02:53.460 --> 00:02:57.360 Madge also bumps into the painting of her dearly dearly beloved 52 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:58.319 dead son at one point. 53 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:04.680 So the painting, can I just say there are 2 sets of people who 54 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.259 look identical for no reason? 55 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:09.780 Yeah, we've got twin brothers, but we're twins. 56 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.060 Actually, no, George is said to be older. 57 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:14.219 It might maybe just 5 minutes older. 58 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:15.180 Yeah, yeah. 59 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:18.539 Maybe they are identical twins because the picture looks like 60 00:03:18.539 --> 00:03:19.500 Michael Cochrane. 61 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:20.340 Yeah, yeah. 62 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:21.960 And the thing is, we've got a great cost in this. 63 00:03:22.020 --> 00:03:22.919 We got Michael Cochrane. 64 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:24.000 Weve got Maure Watson. 65 00:03:24.060 --> 00:03:25.919 He's wonderful. 66 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:26.639 Well, yes. 67 00:03:26.699 --> 00:03:28.919 Well, of course, he's already been to the manor born in Cat 68 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:29.520 Weasel. 69 00:03:29.699 --> 00:03:35.039 And we've got, oh, and what is the name of Madge? 70 00:03:35.099 --> 00:03:36.419 What's the actress's name? 71 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:38.580 Barbara. 72 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:39.479 Reichstart. 73 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.939 Barbara Reichstadt. 74 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:42.360 Yeah. 75 00:03:42.780 --> 00:03:46.800 Barbara Blitzkrieg before... 76 00:03:48.060 --> 00:03:49.020 Barbara Murray. 77 00:03:49.139 --> 00:03:51.060 I was like Cranley. 78 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.960 Moray Watson was Sir Robert Newer, because he was Cedric's son 79 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:56.639 Cedric's son and father, what am I saying? 80 00:03:56.699 --> 00:04:00.539 In Catweasel, upon which, as we've mentioned, J.K. Rowland, based 81 00:04:00.539 --> 00:04:03.840 a lot of the appearance of Harry Potter on Cedric. 82 00:04:03.900 --> 00:04:05.159 Oh, yeah. 83 00:04:05.219 --> 00:04:06.599 Not on Michael. 84 00:04:06.659 --> 00:04:13.259 And Moray Watson was also in the running to replace Patrick McNee 85 00:04:13.259 --> 00:04:15.659 had he not come back for the Linda Force of the season? 86 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.060 along with John Woodvine. 87 00:04:19.259 --> 00:04:21.540 Both of them playing Patrick. 88 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.040 Yes, yes, that's right. 89 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:24.180 As twin sisters. 90 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.319 Yeah, they were the 2 actors who... 91 00:04:28.379 --> 00:04:31.740 Variously screen testing with Wanda Ventham and Susan Engel and 92 00:04:31.740 --> 00:04:32.879 other. 93 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:33.540 Can you imagine? 94 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:34.980 Can you find that video? 95 00:04:35.100 --> 00:04:38.459 The video exists and is on the DVD collection. 96 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:39.600 There's no sound. 97 00:04:39.660 --> 00:04:42.779 Can we watch that before we... 98 00:04:42.779 --> 00:04:43.680 Yes. 99 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:44.639 Good night, listeners. 100 00:04:44.699 --> 00:04:51.600 Yeah, so we have Barbara Murray, Morray Watson, and Michael 101 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:54.540 Cochrane, all of whom, you know, quite big name actors, quite 102 00:04:54.540 --> 00:04:55.740 prestigious actors. 103 00:04:55.800 --> 00:05:00.600 And they're shoved into this sub Miss Marple murder mystery with 104 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:01.680 only one suspect. 105 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:03.720 With a lot of wind up their terrace. 106 00:05:03.779 --> 00:05:06.899 With a lot of wind up the terrace, you know. 107 00:05:06.899 --> 00:05:09.779 It's the worst lawn party ever. 108 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:15.240 And I'm, and I'm including Monty Python, Sam Peckenpath, salad 109 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:15.540 days. 110 00:05:15.779 --> 00:05:18.000 Oh, it's just... 111 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.220 Did you were you waiting for that to happen, though? 112 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:25.980 I was wishing, I was wishing, um, I think it's one of the, I think 113 00:05:25.980 --> 00:05:29.160 it's the most charming episode of this season episode. 114 00:05:29.220 --> 00:05:30.600 I haven't got to episode two. 115 00:05:30.660 --> 00:05:35.339 The great clang of why this story ends up being Brendan's Nadir. 116 00:05:35.459 --> 00:05:36.420 It is terrible. 117 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:37.139 I agree. 118 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:39.480 But the episode one, I absolutely adore. 119 00:05:39.540 --> 00:05:40.860 Episode one is child. 120 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:42.600 It puts the doctor in context. 121 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.319 Finally, the postmodern wheel of fortune because we're is turned. 122 00:05:46.379 --> 00:05:49.680 The barrel girl has turned it nicely and it's now where the doctor 123 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:50.040 should be. 124 00:05:50.100 --> 00:05:52.680 This doctor is not a man for all seasons. 125 00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:54.000 He's the Balante Tom. 126 00:05:54.060 --> 00:05:57.180 He only works in these sorts of stories. 127 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.339 In fact, I think this is the 1st time. 128 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.259 Am I crazy? 129 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:02.040 No, it's not. 130 00:06:02.100 --> 00:06:04.560 If we count, if we don't count the abominable snowmen. 131 00:06:04.620 --> 00:06:07.980 Is this the 1st time that we've gone to the earlier in the 20th 132 00:06:07.980 --> 00:06:08.279 century? 133 00:06:08.339 --> 00:06:09.060 No, that's crazy. 134 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:09.959 What am I talking about? 135 00:06:10.019 --> 00:06:11.100 Pyramids of Mars. 136 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:11.759 Pyramids of Mars. 137 00:06:11.819 --> 00:06:12.480 Where's horror factory? 138 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:13.560 It happens all the time. 139 00:06:13.620 --> 00:06:16.199 I'm an idiot Yeah, yeah, yeah. 140 00:06:16.259 --> 00:06:19.740 But you're not far off because it happens so rarely. 141 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:24.420 We don't get a lot of gorgeous German expressionism, so going back 142 00:06:24.420 --> 00:06:25.019 to it. 143 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:29.100 But we get a beautiful train, a beautiful railway station, lovely 144 00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:32.279 locations, gorgeous frocks, vintage cars. 145 00:06:32.339 --> 00:06:33.240 Cars. 146 00:06:33.300 --> 00:06:36.480 We get a lot of stuff where the doctor, the doctor just comes and 147 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:39.360 plays cricket for no reason at all. 148 00:06:39.420 --> 00:06:42.120 Astonishing you well. hilariously drunk. 149 00:06:42.180 --> 00:06:43.139 Oh, and Josh. 150 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:44.939 Janet's nice. 151 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.759 Yeah, she's really enjoying herself. 152 00:06:47.819 --> 00:06:49.379 Tegan likes daddy. 153 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:50.339 Yeah. 154 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.639 Well, her and Moray Watson, I've just wonderful together on the 155 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:54.300 terrace there. 156 00:06:54.300 --> 00:06:56.160 I love him in the fun. 157 00:06:56.220 --> 00:07:00.660 I loved him in the black spot of Cursed Death pirate show with 158 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:01.680 Matt Smith. 159 00:07:01.740 --> 00:07:02.519 What was that one called? 160 00:07:02.579 --> 00:07:03.899 No, no, that's Hugh Bonneville. 161 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:04.560 Same difference. 162 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.779 You know, even though it's sort of horrifically windswept. like 163 00:07:09.779 --> 00:07:12.899 having a garden party on the planet Castrio. 164 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.500 That's the episode title right there. 165 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:23.639 You know, it's miserable. 166 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.459 And Rick must live. 167 00:07:29.819 --> 00:07:32.339 Oh, doesn't he die on this one? 168 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.220 Mr. Creosote. 169 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:39.000 That whole thing about Adric eating everything is because Matthew 170 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:40.259 Waterhouse can't dance. 171 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:41.759 No, it's actually true. 172 00:07:41.819 --> 00:07:43.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah. centio gravity is so low. 173 00:07:44.819 --> 00:07:47.639 It just spins on his shell. 174 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:51.120 But if he falls over, he does bounce back up again immediately. 175 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:52.139 It's amazing. 176 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:53.279 That's just off in backside. 177 00:07:53.339 --> 00:07:54.660 I mean, have you seen it, honestly. 178 00:07:54.779 --> 00:07:57.660 There was a young fellow of kings. 179 00:07:57.660 --> 00:08:01.620 But everyone's having a rack of toast without blubbing. 180 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:01.980 Sorry. 181 00:08:02.819 --> 00:08:05.279 Where the hell is Hugh Laurie? 182 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.199 Rowan Atkinson for this one. 183 00:08:07.259 --> 00:08:07.980 This is what we need. 184 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.860 Rowan Atkinson as Madge. 185 00:08:11.579 --> 00:08:14.459 Actually, no, Hugh Laurie plays a better woman. 186 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:15.180 You know you're right. 187 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:17.279 They should have played this for high comedy. 188 00:08:17.339 --> 00:08:20.459 They almost do, and I can see where you, because I, you know, I 189 00:08:20.459 --> 00:08:23.220 think Nathan and I probably are as one and that we love this. 190 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:24.240 I love this one. 191 00:08:24.300 --> 00:08:26.220 Just, it's still, totally charming. 192 00:08:26.220 --> 00:08:29.160 Until the frickin' day of sex machina, do not show them the 193 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:29.699 TARDIS. 194 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:30.899 They show them the TARS. 195 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.480 The whole thing falls apart and I can't go back from that. 196 00:08:33.539 --> 00:08:36.360 So, no, bury it alive. 197 00:08:36.419 --> 00:08:38.460 Let the stinking corpse scream itself to death. 198 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.500 I actually think under the tennis court. 199 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.080 I think it falls to this at the cliffhanger. 200 00:08:43.139 --> 00:08:46.679 Giving the doctor the task of just wandering through corridors in 201 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:51.960 a really attractive, um, sort of Patrick Stewart, you know, like 202 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:54.779 he looks, he looks terrific in that dressing gown. 203 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:57.779 But that stuff is all boring and leaden. 204 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.740 And all I want is an episode where we go to a cricket match and 205 00:09:01.740 --> 00:09:06.240 then go to a lovely garden party where Tegan gets to dance to 206 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.600 Charleston, where you get to see Sarah Sutton being like a posh 207 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.919 idiot as Anne Tolbot, which I think is terribly funny, where the 208 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:17.100 both of them dance, where Adrik is actually relaxed. 209 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.399 He's out of the wig, you know, like he's really starting... 210 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:21.120 You do get that now. 211 00:09:21.179 --> 00:09:22.379 It's called the unicorn on the wall. 212 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:28.500 Well, in fact, this, the unicorn and the wasp and the lodger, which 213 00:09:28.500 --> 00:09:31.679 has the football match, which is superior to the cricket match 214 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.639 because the football match has an actual kind of like a character 215 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:36.600 thing going on. 216 00:09:36.659 --> 00:09:40.500 It's about the doctor being better than Craig at Craig's life. 217 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:42.179 There's something going on there. 218 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:46.080 Whereas the cricket match in Black Orchid is just spectacle. 219 00:09:46.139 --> 00:09:50.340 But just spectacle, spectacle's great. you know, it's enjoyable 220 00:09:50.340 --> 00:09:50.639 stuff. 221 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:52.500 It's needed in this season right now. 222 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:53.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 223 00:09:53.580 --> 00:09:57.240 We've had we've had and are going to have such boring things going 224 00:09:57.240 --> 00:09:57.600 on. 225 00:09:57.659 --> 00:10:03.179 So having people enjoy themselves in lovely frocks, you know 226 00:10:03.179 --> 00:10:07.440 getting out of their wretched uniforms for an episode, all of that 227 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:08.759 stuff is such a relief. 228 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.940 And I've got to think that Gareth Roberts really likes this 229 00:10:11.940 --> 00:10:12.360 story. 230 00:10:12.419 --> 00:10:16.080 I haven't heard him on the subject, but the fact that he that he 231 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:22.860 rips things from it for both the lodger and the unicorn and the 232 00:10:22.860 --> 00:10:24.960 wasp has to indicate. 233 00:10:25.019 --> 00:10:27.360 And it does seem like the sort of thing that he would like. 234 00:10:27.419 --> 00:10:30.120 It's like eating a well-prepared meals ended. 235 00:10:31.740 --> 00:10:34.860 There is a lot of food for the soul in the story. 236 00:10:37.980 --> 00:10:42.240 The manservant who is murdered at the end of episode one, he's 237 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:43.200 going to fetch a bucket. 238 00:10:43.259 --> 00:10:46.620 And they refer to the bucket again when Adrick goes in for 239 00:10:46.620 --> 00:10:47.039 seconds. 240 00:10:47.100 --> 00:10:49.620 So there's a very subtle joke in there that they think Hadrick is 241 00:10:49.620 --> 00:10:52.679 going to make himself sick, which I did rather appreciate. 242 00:10:52.740 --> 00:10:57.840 But, oh, this story, it's something we've talked about with 243 00:10:57.840 --> 00:10:59.159 Terrence Dudley's writing before. 244 00:10:59.940 --> 00:11:03.240 It's not enough of anything it thinks it is. 245 00:11:03.299 --> 00:11:04.919 It's not a sci-fi story. 246 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.679 Which, you know, it's fair. 247 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:10.500 It's fair enough if, you know, it's fair enough if it's not a sci 248 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:11.519 fi story, if it's something else. 249 00:11:11.580 --> 00:11:14.580 It's not really a historical story because it could, it could be 250 00:11:14.580 --> 00:11:15.600 set in the 80s. 251 00:11:15.659 --> 00:11:19.799 You know, if it could be at a party in the 80s. 252 00:11:19.860 --> 00:11:22.679 There is nothing about this story that has to be set in the 253 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:23.639 1920s. 254 00:11:23.700 --> 00:11:26.940 It just occurred to me that this is a historical that I don't 255 00:11:26.940 --> 00:11:29.580 think would be better if it had a terra leptil in it. 256 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.779 Chin, Chin, it's the first. 1st one. 257 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.259 So the thing is, if we're going to go back in history and we're 258 00:11:37.259 --> 00:11:41.159 not going to have science fiction, we should have Gothic fiction 259 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:44.879 and it sets up to be Gothic fiction with the phantom up in the 260 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:45.179 tower. 261 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:46.740 Love the big stuff there, yes. 262 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:50.759 But it's not enough Gothic fiction, you know, because it just has 263 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:51.960 this explanation at the end. 264 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.840 Oh yes, he's my disfigured son that we locked away in the attic. 265 00:11:54.899 --> 00:11:57.000 So right, we get these horrible people. 266 00:11:57.059 --> 00:12:01.320 You get these horrible people whose son has been horribly 267 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:05.220 disfigured and attacked by primitive natives. 268 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.120 So, hooray for racism, but it's not, but it's 1926. 269 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.419 So you kind of go, right, this is a product of the time itself. 270 00:12:12.539 --> 00:12:15.659 I think that's just called revenge. on their part, yes. 271 00:12:15.779 --> 00:12:18.899 So let's not tell his fiance what's happened. 272 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.980 Let's lock him up in the tower upstairs because he's disfigured 273 00:12:22.980 --> 00:12:25.019 and mentally impaired. 274 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:26.639 That's the reason they're locking him up. 275 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:30.840 Let's then lie to his fiance and get her to get engaged to his 276 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:35.039 brother under false pretences, and then let's punish him and whip 277 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.940 him and abuse him when he steps out of line. 278 00:12:39.059 --> 00:12:40.559 Well, he did go to a public school. 279 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:42.779 He probably liked that. 280 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:44.580 And then, and then, right? 281 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:47.340 So over the course of the story, he kills Digby. 282 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:49.379 He kills Dy Tony. 283 00:12:49.379 --> 00:12:52.019 He kills James. 284 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:53.100 Oh, James. 285 00:12:53.100 --> 00:12:59.700 Madge then tells then tells Moray Watson. 286 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:00.779 It's the doctor's fault. 287 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:02.100 Take the doctor away. 288 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.220 Then she admits to him what is actually going on. 289 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.279 Yet at the end, they're going to the funeral and there's no sign 290 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:09.059 they're going to prison. 291 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.820 It's rich people locking up the disabled, abusing them and getting 292 00:13:11.820 --> 00:13:12.360 away with it. 293 00:13:12.419 --> 00:13:13.799 It's the 80s. 294 00:13:13.860 --> 00:13:15.720 Yeah, it is awful. 295 00:13:15.779 --> 00:13:17.100 That is truly awful. 296 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.340 And what's also awful is that the doctor passes no comment on 297 00:13:20.340 --> 00:13:20.639 that. 298 00:13:20.700 --> 00:13:26.759 And what's also awful, though, is the fact that Nissa and Anne 299 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:32.700 both get turned into sort of damsels industry. rapeyvictim.com. 300 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.279 Yeah, they're the susans in the drama, aren't they? 301 00:13:35.340 --> 00:13:35.879 Yeah, yeah. 302 00:13:35.940 --> 00:13:37.259 So they get no agency. 303 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:38.759 They just sort of hauled around the place. 304 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:42.960 And also Charles is so horrible. 305 00:13:43.019 --> 00:13:45.779 Like he's really, really horrible. 306 00:13:45.899 --> 00:13:48.000 And yet she's still on his arm at the end of the story. 307 00:13:48.059 --> 00:13:49.620 You've got it, though. 308 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:51.360 Money and equals charm. 309 00:13:51.419 --> 00:13:54.179 It equals gray, equals get out of everything. 310 00:13:54.179 --> 00:13:55.919 But I mean, if it critiqued that. 311 00:13:55.980 --> 00:13:58.860 If the story critiqued that rather than just presenting it as a 312 00:13:58.860 --> 00:13:59.700 sort of... 313 00:13:59.700 --> 00:14:01.080 It would be EastEnders, yeah. 314 00:14:01.139 --> 00:14:02.639 Well, no, no. would be good. 315 00:14:02.700 --> 00:14:04.980 That would actually be a good thing. 316 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.799 But instead, um, it just goes along with it. 317 00:14:07.860 --> 00:14:08.940 Yeah, exactly. 318 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:10.980 And, you know, the doctor says nothing at the end. 319 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.139 He just gets a copy of the book and says, oh, thank you, I will 320 00:14:13.139 --> 00:14:13.559 treasure it. 321 00:14:13.620 --> 00:14:16.139 Well, whoop de bloody do. 322 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.000 Other things enrage me about this. 323 00:14:18.059 --> 00:14:20.519 Charles pushes George off the roof. 324 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:25.440 Well, okay, possibly, but it's not presented that way because he 325 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:26.519 does have his arms outstretched. 326 00:14:26.580 --> 00:14:30.120 But at the same time, you know, if you weren't going to have that 327 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:34.679 critique, have it as the characters learn a lesson and say, you 328 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:36.720 know what, no, we're going to rehabilitate him and he's going to 329 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:37.740 be part of the family again. 330 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:40.980 And Anne could say, look, I'm sorry, no, I still, I know he's 331 00:14:40.980 --> 00:14:42.360 disfigured, but I still love him. 332 00:14:42.419 --> 00:14:47.100 And that would that would kind of start to redress the situation. 333 00:14:47.580 --> 00:14:51.659 But you can't do that and you've got this, like, it's a Doctor Who 334 00:14:51.659 --> 00:14:55.379 trope that is really problematic, and it's been there all along 335 00:14:55.379 --> 00:15:00.419 which equates disability and disfigurement with evil. 336 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:05.340 And here it's particularly bad because it's not, you know, Michael 337 00:15:05.340 --> 00:15:07.080 Wisher in a rubber mask or anything. 338 00:15:07.139 --> 00:15:11.639 It's like a person who's a member of the family who's been 339 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:12.240 disfigured. 340 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.240 Yeah, and it's a person who they say, you know, he's been tortured 341 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.940 by this tribe because he stole their sacred flower. 342 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.100 Then we're torturing them for a while. 343 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:21.899 But no one comments on it. 344 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:23.700 It just drives me insane. 345 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:29.879 I think it's Terrence Dudley is the racist grandpa of season 19. 346 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.179 The funny thing is, Terrence Dudley gets sci-fi. 347 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:35.940 He was the producer of survivors and Doom Watch. 348 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.679 Yeah, have you seen the season of survivors that he, I know that, I 349 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:45.240 know that's horribly racist as well, but he gets sci-fi. except 350 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:46.379 when he tries to write it. 351 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.820 I think there's laziness in this and the plot holes of what you're 352 00:15:50.820 --> 00:15:54.659 talking about rather than just being poor character or subsuming 353 00:15:54.659 --> 00:15:56.879 we can't call it evil, can you? 354 00:15:56.940 --> 00:16:00.299 But there's subsuming lack of ethics or demorality. in the 355 00:16:00.299 --> 00:16:03.960 characters, it's actually just lazy, plot cohesion, that, again 356 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.019 it's using the diosex machina in the most literal sense of showing 357 00:16:07.019 --> 00:16:08.460 everyone the TARDIS to get out of them. 358 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:10.139 Oh, see, that's awful. 359 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.120 And they keep trying to do that for the rest of the season. 360 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.240 Then it comes to going, let me show you the shiny set that we have 361 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:16.139 you know, in the next year. 362 00:16:16.139 --> 00:16:17.879 It's my, it's so gorgeous. 363 00:16:17.940 --> 00:16:21.480 It's my greatest disappointment and it stayed with me to this 364 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:21.720 day. 365 00:16:21.779 --> 00:16:25.679 It's the reason that Davidson era actually fails, honest to us so 366 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:28.019 often, is because there's been no, because it keeps finding an 367 00:16:28.019 --> 00:16:30.000 easy quick plot twist away out. 368 00:16:30.059 --> 00:16:31.799 You know, there's one thing that I do like about that. 369 00:16:31.860 --> 00:16:34.799 I mean, I don't think you should have seen them inside the TARS. 370 00:16:34.860 --> 00:16:36.720 I think if they're going to go in the TARDIS, let them come out 371 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.600 and go, ooh, that was spooky, but instead they all stand around 372 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:42.840 doing a police procedural in the TARDIS. 15 minutes. 373 00:16:42.899 --> 00:16:47.580 But the really, the really fun thing is that the doctor takes them 374 00:16:47.580 --> 00:16:50.460 back to Cranley Hall in the TARDIS, which I just think is 375 00:16:50.460 --> 00:16:51.000 hilarious. 376 00:16:51.059 --> 00:16:53.580 And I love seeing the TARDIS materialise on the lawn. 377 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.299 But even then, right, if you look at the long shot, you can see 378 00:16:57.299 --> 00:16:58.919 that Moray Watson gets out of the TARDIS. 379 00:16:58.980 --> 00:17:00.240 He's actually still holding onto it. 380 00:17:00.299 --> 00:17:03.600 So he's acting, but we get Ron Jones. 381 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:04.980 And because he can, yes. 382 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:09.359 We get Ron Jones in his Doctor Who debut going, oh, I think I'll 383 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:11.339 just film that in long shot with no close-ups. 384 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:13.019 Oh. 385 00:17:13.019 --> 00:17:17.460 And you know, Ron Jones, Ron Jones will return with Arc of 386 00:17:17.460 --> 00:17:19.019 Infinity Inventions on Baros. 387 00:17:19.619 --> 00:17:21.779 I hate vengeance. 388 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:23.880 And Mind Warp. 389 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:25.740 Yeah. 390 00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:26.819 You've got lots to talk about. 391 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.579 So, you know, it's not it's not like Peter Moffat, who is going to 392 00:17:29.579 --> 00:17:31.559 give up halfway through a story sometimes, Zoon. 393 00:17:31.619 --> 00:17:33.119 This guy's already given up. 394 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:37.319 And just one more ranty thing that I'm going to say, then we can 395 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:38.099 get onto other things. 396 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:43.559 So Anne and Nissa go to the party in the same costume, which is a 397 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:44.220 wonderful idea. 398 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.400 The mask is a great way to hide the double, very convincing 399 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:47.880 double. 400 00:17:47.940 --> 00:17:49.559 So this is all, this is all praise. 401 00:17:49.619 --> 00:17:51.000 Sarah Sutton's performance. 402 00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:54.119 She actually very subtly delineates the 2 performances. 403 00:17:54.180 --> 00:17:55.079 I don't think it's subtle. 404 00:17:55.140 --> 00:17:57.359 I think I think she's fabulous posh idiot. 405 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.000 I think she's... 406 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.339 But I'm, actually, I say suffer. 407 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:03.299 I should say believable. 408 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.140 You know, she creates a believable 2nd character with really only 409 00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:09.420 about, what, 20 lines over the course of 2 episodes? 410 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:10.440 No, she's really great. 411 00:18:10.500 --> 00:18:13.380 But the thing is, she says no one but no one can tell us about 412 00:18:13.380 --> 00:18:13.500 it. 413 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:14.640 Look, I've got a mole. 414 00:18:14.700 --> 00:18:15.180 Okay? 415 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.640 So we've got this mole, which Chekhov's mole. 416 00:18:17.700 --> 00:18:19.200 Check on the... 417 00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:20.279 We've never mentioned it again. 418 00:18:20.339 --> 00:18:22.680 You know, and then at the end, you've got the doctor saying, what's 419 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:24.839 he going to do when he finds out he's got the wrong girl. 420 00:18:24.900 --> 00:18:27.000 So the doctor runs up and what's the 1st thing he says? 421 00:18:27.059 --> 00:18:29.160 George, that's... 422 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.240 And he doesn't say, look, she hasn't got the mole. 423 00:18:33.299 --> 00:18:35.640 You know, which would be the thing. 424 00:18:35.700 --> 00:18:39.000 And the whole thing she should have had like a, like, you know 425 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:39.779 like a foetus. 426 00:18:44.099 --> 00:18:45.779 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 427 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:46.440 With teeth. 428 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:47.519 Yeah, yeah. 429 00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:49.140 That how you would have told me... 430 00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:54.299 Beeble Brock's head. played by Janet Fielding as a watermelon. 431 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:54.599 Yes. 432 00:18:54.660 --> 00:18:55.680 It would have worked. 433 00:18:55.740 --> 00:19:00.539 You know, that whole resolution, it even starts to try to redeem 434 00:19:00.539 --> 00:19:04.619 George because when George realises that this isn't Anne. 435 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:06.299 He doesn't throw her off the roof. 436 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:07.920 He doesn't respond to her violently. 437 00:19:07.980 --> 00:19:11.640 He kind of goes, oh, like I've made a horrible mistake. 438 00:19:11.700 --> 00:19:15.000 And, you know, there's that whole language of give and treating a 439 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:15.960 woman as a possession. 440 00:19:16.019 --> 00:19:18.779 But that's what Anne's been treated like for the whole story. 441 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:19.920 Totally. 442 00:19:19.980 --> 00:19:22.440 You know, one brother's out of the picture will give you to the 443 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:22.740 other one. 444 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:24.299 He's identical anyway. 445 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:25.140 Yeah, exactly. 446 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:29.400 But that starts to redeem George a bit and it's like, oh, no, but 447 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:31.920 for reasons we have to kill him off. 448 00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:32.880 Again. 449 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:35.700 Screw you, Terrence Dublin. 450 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:37.079 That's what we do with these. 451 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:37.859 Oh. 452 00:19:37.859 --> 00:19:40.680 Does Karen Dudley come back? 453 00:19:40.740 --> 00:19:41.759 No, yes. 454 00:19:41.819 --> 00:19:43.019 King's Demons. 455 00:19:43.019 --> 00:19:47.039 He does King's Demons, which is... actually better than this, but 456 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:47.640 it is. 457 00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:48.960 Lots of fun. 458 00:19:49.019 --> 00:19:50.579 Tony Virgo. 459 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:52.859 I don't often use these words because I don't believe, but Christ 460 00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:54.539 Almighty, this is terrible. 461 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:59.160 It's, it's not completely irredeemable like the other story I 462 00:19:59.160 --> 00:19:59.400 hate. 463 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.019 It's because it should be so charming. 464 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:04.079 It is on some levels and it's an episode of Just William, really 465 00:20:04.140 --> 00:20:06.359 in the same period and was just on a few years before. 466 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.980 Body and board. 467 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:08.759 Bless. 468 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:12.059 I want you to always, when you mention Bonnie Lanka coming up in 469 00:20:12.059 --> 00:20:15.059 her seasons, to only do her in a Brian blessing. 470 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.339 Bonnie Langfire. 471 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:17.759 There you go. 472 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.160 Some we look forward to. 473 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:23.339 Bonnie Langford has actually seen my time in the Rani cosplay. 474 00:20:24.779 --> 00:20:28.920 There's a photo of her holding it up in one hand and doing the 475 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:30.599 screen pose in the other. fabulous. 476 00:20:30.660 --> 00:20:32.099 We have to put that up on the website. 477 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:33.720 We will, we will. 478 00:20:33.779 --> 00:20:36.000 But as I say, look, that's the end of my ranching and we've got at 479 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:40.019 least another 10 minutes because I didn't want this to be all 480 00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:43.799 ranty, but in a moment we sort of, in a moment we cut out earlier 481 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:45.420 Nathan did say, but you're the happy one. 482 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:50.039 So chaps, I shall open it up to you. 483 00:20:50.099 --> 00:20:54.480 Well, I mean, I think I kind of think that we've covered it and 484 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:59.160 there's a sense, Brendan, in which I think we might be on the same 485 00:20:59.160 --> 00:20:59.759 page. 486 00:20:59.819 --> 00:21:04.920 I think that the plot itself is terrible and that the resolution 487 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:10.500 is insulting and embarrassing and really unlikeable, but I just 488 00:21:10.500 --> 00:21:15.119 can't get away from the fact that for once in the Davis and era 489 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:15.660 we're having fun. 490 00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:20.039 Matthew Waterhouse is relaxed. at other people's experience. 491 00:21:20.099 --> 00:21:21.779 No, they're locked up upstairs. 492 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.700 And we're having a lovely party. 493 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:29.519 This is where Janet finally gets it, I think, and she's enjoying 494 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:30.299 herself. 495 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.960 She has decided at this point that she doesn't want to go home and 496 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:35.700 that's a huge development for the character. 497 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.700 Everyone gets out of their uniform. 498 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:43.019 You know, like, I think that I found myself enjoying this. 499 00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:48.420 And now that I've watched all of season 19, I really was serious 500 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:51.900 when I said, I think this is episode one is the best episode of 501 00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:56.279 the season, not because it's well written, but because there's 502 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:01.500 lots of location footage that it looks wonderful, the actors are 503 00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:02.460 enjoying themselves. 504 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:04.319 I think it's fun to watch. 505 00:22:04.380 --> 00:22:08.279 And I think that Doctor Who could afford to be like this a little 506 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:09.059 bit more often. 507 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:14.039 Um, At the moment it thinks it's a science fiction program with a 508 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.700 sort of rotating cast of various monsters and things and that's 509 00:22:17.700 --> 00:22:20.160 only going to get worse and worse. 510 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:23.220 And as it goes on, it's going to continue to appeal to the sort of 511 00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:28.019 people who enjoy watching people assemble machinery in time flight 512 00:22:28.019 --> 00:22:29.160 episode before. 513 00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:37.079 But But, you know, it's doing something bloody postmodernism. 514 00:22:37.140 --> 00:22:42.960 It's doing something that Doctor Who can do, which is play to the 515 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:48.240 strength of the BBC costume department, do, you know, some of the 516 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:52.019 best things that BBC television is capable of doing, which is sort 517 00:22:52.019 --> 00:22:56.940 of period pieces and giving us the chance to relax and have fun. 518 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:01.859 Um, and again, I'm going to mention Sandra for the fake in the 519 00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:02.099 event. 520 00:23:02.099 --> 00:23:05.819 Second week in a row, where he says that there's a problem with 521 00:23:05.819 --> 00:23:10.920 the plot in that the 1st actual murder has to come at the halfway 522 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.220 point, which means that the actual murder mystery is crammed into 523 00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:16.559 25 minutes where it isn't given time to work. 524 00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:20.640 But I'm grateful that it's crammed into 25 minutes and we don't 525 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:22.140 have to put up with it for the 1st episode. 526 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:24.299 I think it was the 1st murder happens in the 1st scene. 527 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:25.980 Yeah. 528 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:28.259 But look, I absolutely agree with you, but the 1st episode is 529 00:23:28.259 --> 00:23:28.680 charming. 530 00:23:28.740 --> 00:23:33.599 I think maybe that's why I'm so cross because the 1st episode has 531 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.859 this wonderful promise, which is utterly obliterated by the 532 00:23:37.859 --> 00:23:38.039 second. 533 00:23:38.099 --> 00:23:39.180 Yeah, yeah. 534 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:40.859 I think that that's probably wrong. 535 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:41.640 Yeah, so I agree. 536 00:23:41.700 --> 00:23:43.259 The 1st episode is actually really good. 537 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:46.859 And I don't mind the denouement. 538 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:50.039 I don't mind the buildup to the conclusion, and I think the 539 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:53.400 wrestle on the roof is actually quite shocking and still a lot of 540 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:53.940 smoke. 541 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.819 It's a lot of smoke and it still has an impact. 542 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:58.980 Pardon that crashing point. 543 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:00.000 Even now. 544 00:24:00.059 --> 00:24:01.799 It's a terribly sad thing. 545 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:03.900 And yes, the mother is a monster. 546 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:04.319 There you go. 547 00:24:04.380 --> 00:24:05.819 You did get your darel influence. 548 00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:12.960 Oh, um, something, Gareth Milne, whilst falling off the roof 549 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:16.319 pushed off a little too far, and his legs went into the concrete. 550 00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:16.920 He was fine. 551 00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:18.599 He didn't break anything, but he was... 552 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:19.380 In a wheelchair now. 553 00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:20.279 Walking funny. 554 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:22.619 Walking funny for a few days as twerks. 555 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:25.140 I haven't mentioned Matthew Waterhouse much. 556 00:24:25.859 --> 00:24:28.440 It's his only story without the wig. 557 00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:29.279 Is that true? 558 00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:33.059 No, I think I think he's he's still not got the wig next week. 559 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:39.299 It does, it's so nice seeing him out of that stupid pyjama thing. 560 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:39.900 Yes. 561 00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:43.920 And yeah, yeah, but he doesn't really cut a dash, does he? 562 00:24:44.339 --> 00:24:46.140 Well, he's not a costumian's dream. 563 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:50.460 No, no, but he is he's a bit relaxed and he's into play with the 564 00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:51.900 other characters is actually nice. 565 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:56.640 And I've been really critical of this TARDIS crew and I'm really 566 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:57.779 not finished yet. 567 00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:03.180 But they're interactions at the garden party are really nice. 568 00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:04.799 They are lovely and very human. 569 00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:07.619 But I do get the feeling that he's the Prince's Astro of this 570 00:25:07.619 --> 00:25:08.099 season. 571 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.920 He was born to do one thing only. 572 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:15.420 But that being said, also in this story, when Nissa runs off to do 573 00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:17.460 the Charleston, you cut back to Adric. 574 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:21.119 It's like, okay, now I see the thing you've been trying to set up 575 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.460 for 3 or 4 stories that he kind of fancies are. 576 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:27.779 And I think there's a moment on Matthew Waterhouse's face where he 577 00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:31.319 actually kind of plays it that he is beginning to realise as 578 00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:32.220 well. 579 00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:33.599 And I think it's quite a fine moment. 580 00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:36.599 But then you cut to the commentary where Matthew Waterhouse says 581 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.119 Oh, God, what am I thinking there? 582 00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:41.099 I'm probably thinking when is the shot still going? 583 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:41.700 What's happening? 584 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:42.299 What's going on? 585 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:43.440 blows it. 586 00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:47.160 But, you know, to be fair, that's Doctor Who fanned a bit of 587 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:47.579 nutshell. 588 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:48.660 We read these things into it. 589 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:50.819 Then the actors say, oh no, darling, it's acting. 590 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:54.240 But a performance should be a should allow you to have that kind 591 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:54.839 of stuff. 592 00:25:54.900 --> 00:25:55.319 Oh, yeah. 593 00:25:55.380 --> 00:25:55.859 You know what? 594 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.440 But it's also, if they're going to do a soap opera. 595 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:01.440 If they're going to constantly refer to previous stories, if 596 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:05.460 they're going to link the stories together, you know, if there's 597 00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:08.579 going to be some kind of through line like what we saw last year 598 00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:13.079 then do it properly, like think about the relationships between 599 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:14.940 the characters, give them something to do. 600 00:26:15.059 --> 00:26:19.319 I love Doctor Who as a soap opera, series one of the new series. 601 00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:21.240 I absolutely adore. 602 00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:22.740 Still fresh, yeah. 603 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:29.519 And and it's it's because Russell gets long-running relationships 604 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:35.099 between characters more right than not and and puts people and and 605 00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:38.400 interpersonal relationships in the show that have never been in it 606 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:38.759 before. 607 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:44.880 Here, you know, you've just got a bunch of people who really have 608 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:49.200 nothing very much to do with one another, who have no identifiable 609 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:50.640 attitudes to one another. 610 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:57.299 You know, like imagine if Adric had secretly been fancying Nissa 611 00:26:57.299 --> 00:26:58.019 all this time. 612 00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.740 I know you probably don't want to think about that. teenage boys. 613 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:03.839 You've been thinking about sandwiches the next month. 614 00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:06.480 Yeah, yeah, but that would be okay as well, but you get nothing. 615 00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:08.220 He's clearly getting nothing. 616 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:12.480 You know, Nisa has nothing at all to do most of the time. 617 00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:17.519 This is probably her best story to date because she's got 2 roles 618 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:17.819 to play. 619 00:27:17.940 --> 00:27:19.319 You know, it's funny. 620 00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:22.380 JNT was constantly denying to the media that there was any 621 00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:26.160 romances written into the show because of the perception of, quote 622 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:27.900 unquote, hanky-panky in the TARDIS. 623 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.380 It's like, well, if you don't have the possibility of romance, then 624 00:27:31.380 --> 00:27:32.880 you don't have soap opera. 625 00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:36.119 Oh, you don't even have drama, how did we get 9 years of the 626 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:36.599 Avengers? 627 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:38.220 Yeah, yeah. 628 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:40.920 Or indeed, the history of romantic comedy. 629 00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:44.759 Yeah, yeah, we're just human existence. for God's sake. 630 00:27:44.819 --> 00:27:46.079 You know, Patrick... 631 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:47.640 And Ian Hendry is so hot together. 632 00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:49.559 Actually, they kind of are. 633 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:50.099 Yeah, they are. 634 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.960 And you're quite right, actually, because, you know, Howard 635 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:58.559 Hawkesall made buddy movies and gentlemen prefer blondes is just 636 00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.440 another buddy movie. just happens to be Jane Russell and Marilyn 637 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:02.579 Monroe as the blokes. 638 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.900 Fantastic film. 639 00:28:04.019 --> 00:28:04.920 In Feathers. 640 00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:06.599 Haven't we all been there? 641 00:28:06.660 --> 00:28:09.779 I guess if you do, have hanky-banking in the TARD, if you just end 642 00:28:09.779 --> 00:28:12.599 up with Alex Kingston and Madame Covale, Larian, don't you? 643 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:14.940 You know what? 644 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.180 Conceptually, just having those actors is great. 645 00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:23.880 Oh, and actually, I think that's a really good description of this 646 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:24.180 story. 647 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:25.619 Having these actors is great. 648 00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:29.400 Yeah, but the problem is there's no characters in this series 649 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.940 ongoing that I actually like all the characters that I like turn 650 00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:33.960 up for a story and go. 651 00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:38.460 So who would you like to stay on in this story from this cast? 652 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.640 From this particular episode well under? 653 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:42.839 So we had Neres last week. 654 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.579 Who would you know? 655 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.220 I mean, I think we have to have Barbara Murray just because she'd 656 00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:48.539 just slice and dice them all. 657 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:50.579 I don't think there'd be anyone left by the next story. 658 00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:53.759 You should have them all boxed in, tied to the delta wave or? 659 00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:55.619 I'm voting for Moray Watson. 660 00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:56.220 Me too. 661 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:57.299 In that wig. 662 00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.940 In the wig. 663 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.319 He and Janet had just the most fabulous chemistry together 664 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:04.980 actually. 665 00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:06.660 Actually, they sort of did, didn't they, really? 666 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:07.740 and she'd be up for it. 667 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:13.380 I'm just remembering him in interminably as um, in um, Rumpole of 668 00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:13.859 the Bailey. 669 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:14.279 Do you remember? 670 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.380 He was played. was it? 671 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.200 Oh, it was the very dry old, old judge anyway. 672 00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:20.160 Yeah. 673 00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:21.599 Why not? 674 00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:22.920 Why not? 675 00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:28.680 And the wonderful thing about he and Janet bouncing off each other 676 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:29.039 that way. 677 00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:32.039 And, you know, I'm going to get a bit personal for a moment. 678 00:29:32.099 --> 00:29:35.880 I am in a relationship with someone notably older than myself just 679 00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:36.660 to put that out there. 680 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.079 And in the media, you often see representations of relationships 681 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:45.779 with age gaps as being about the young one is stupid and pretty 682 00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:48.000 and the old one is having some kind of crisis. 683 00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:51.119 And that's why they're running after the young one and buying them 684 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:51.960 things and whatnot. 685 00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:56.339 And that is not necessarily what a relationship with an age gap is 686 00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:56.759 like. 687 00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:58.980 Now, of course, this is Doctor Who in the 80s. 688 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.140 We're not actually seeing a romantic relationship between these 689 00:30:01.140 --> 00:30:04.920 two, but there is certainly a Frisson, and it just seems to be 2 690 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.500 people genuinely enjoying each other's company. 691 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:09.599 It's really nice to watch. 692 00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.160 Yeah, it's really nice. 693 00:30:11.220 --> 00:30:12.779 Just to see Tegan in a good mood. 694 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.420 Yeah, it really is, isn't it? 695 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:19.140 And the thing is, you're not given any explanation for why she 696 00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:21.839 gets on well with him but doesn't get on well with the others and 697 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.720 nobody comments on, ooh, look what's going on over there. 698 00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:29.039 It's an organic relationship in the middle of this very strange 699 00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:32.880 story of 2 halves, in the middle of this very strange season where 700 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.579 people don't have relationships. 701 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:39.119 Just I just want Tegan and this are to be sitting in there 702 00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.220 apparently combined, but not always bedrooms. 703 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.460 Sometimes it's one room, sometimes it's too, just sitting on the 704 00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:47.099 edge of the bed, looking at each other, going, what the... 705 00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:49.680 Rick and hell are our lives about? 706 00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:53.279 Like those awful scenes in Star Trek, The Next Generation. 707 00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:57.900 Beverly and Indiana are doing like their pelvic floor exercises 708 00:30:57.900 --> 00:30:59.279 and discussing their lives. 709 00:30:59.339 --> 00:31:01.140 You want to know what that scene was? 710 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.680 That scene of Star Trek the Next Generation was originally written 711 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:05.519 for 10 forward. 712 00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:13.140 But Gates and Marina got into a massive, stupid row on set the day 713 00:31:13.140 --> 00:31:13.440 before. 714 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.019 So the writers went, right, we're going to laugh them out of it. 715 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:19.140 We going to put them in these stupid leotards and make them do 716 00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:19.740 aerobics. 717 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.380 And the thing is, Marina says, it worked, you know, by the end of 718 00:31:22.380 --> 00:31:24.359 the scene, we were friends again and we both apologised. 719 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.779 Yeah, that's exactly what we need for Doctor Who. 720 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:31.859 We need the callisthenics deck, which would look like the Sistine 721 00:31:31.859 --> 00:31:32.460 Chapel, of course. 722 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.980 As you get Matthew in a layer time. 723 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:36.839 I'm not hearing a no. 724 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.200 Yes, you are. 725 00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:02.880 Well, dear listeners, next week, we're off to a set of caves to 726 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.339 talk to a woman in a tango wig with Earthshock. 727 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.140 Please come back next week for that. 728 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.720 You can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com, flight 729 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.599 through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on 730 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:13.079 Twitter. 731 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:16.200 Surprisingly, not wearing a wig yet is Roger Moore over on 732 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:17.460 bondfinger.com. 733 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:18.059 On a bit. 734 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:19.140 Probably years. 735 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.380 Bond finger on Facebook and Bond finger cast on Twitter. 736 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.799 And I'm also not wearing a wig on Doctor Who in 10 seconds. 737 00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:27.839 Tried if you couldn't match the colour of my beard. 738 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.380 Until next week, may none of your undesirable relatives ruin your 739 00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:33.359 dismal garden party, you fascists. 740 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.519 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 741 00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:36.119 Good night. 742 00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:37.019 Good every then. 743 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.720 That was fled through entirety with Nathan Bottomley, Brendan 744 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:46.920 Jones and Richard Stone. 745 00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:48.960 Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 746 00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:53.220 This episode, the worst lawn party ever, was recorded on the 28th 747 00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:53.819 of May. 748 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.339 The next episode will be released on the 17th of July. 749 00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.500 I didn't hate everything about this story. 750 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.559 I quite enjoyed the missing scene where due to a misunderstanding 751 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.680 Adrik gets a cockateel in his bath, and then drinks it. 752 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.819 Black Orchid, 28th of May. 753 00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:17.819 I have opinions. work. 754 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.680 Black Hawk at the Musical. 755 00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:20.700 Are we recording? 756 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.740 It couldn't be any worse than what we actually get on screen. 757 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:23.579 Are we recording this? 758 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:25.500 Great, great tag right there. 759 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:26.940 Okay. 760 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.140 Stop metering. 761 00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:31.380 I really want you to rip this a new one. 762 00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:33.839 You're really the, you know, you kind of, you're the happy one. 763 00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:35.220 Oh, you know. 764 00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:36.359 Okay. 765 00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:37.559 Underworlds lovely.