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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who will make life intolerable for those who remain.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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And I guess I should take this plastic bag off my head now.

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It could be advisable because we're about to get a shock of earth shattering proportions.

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Well, is historical Sentinel or something like that?

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I don't know.

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Well, there was an artistic Clark short story called Central Along which Stanley Kubrick made a certain film based upon him in 1968.

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I wasn't Arthur C.

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Clarke not actually that happy with how much the film changed?

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It kind of, you know, he wrote it.

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He wrote it.

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Let's do a Kubrick podcast.

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I've been to Clark's house. stood in his little room and everything and it's a lot more interesting than what we're about.

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No, that's not fair, is it?

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Listen, it's Malcolm Clark.

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Listen, listen, listen.

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Can we talk about the music?

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No, it's not.

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It's Malcolm Cluck.

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We haven't had this since the sea devils.

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So we remember the sea devil's music because that was Malcolm Clark playing a synthesiser with his face.

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Bill Ody string vests.

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Well, in the same way that this is lovely, genuine instruments.

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We have a bass clarinet, a space clarinet.

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And this one, and we have, oh, golly, samples.

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You know, when the clanging noises is actually BBC film cans being banged together and then put through the DX 70.

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Yeah, I think that's a metaphor.

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I love this music. really do.

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Did you always put slightly clever things.

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There's something called a gamelon.

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I don't actually, do you know what that is?

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Gamelin?

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Gamble in that sort.

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No, I think they had guns oozing out of their noses, didn't they?

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That's the next story.

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I think a Gamelon is, it's very nice shirt.

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So with prosciutto.

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Yes, I was just going to say, oh, boom, tish, boom, tish.

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And there are, you know, there are little bits.

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There's Saint Sons carnival of the monsters.

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Carnival of the monsters.

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When Nissa discovers the bones.

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And then there's a bit of Mala's third.

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You know, the bit where it gets really nature-esque.

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That also thrown in here.

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He was told, he was told by the directors to do space adventures.

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We want another 60s thing that worked so considerably well every time we saw a cyber person or indeed a yeti person.

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And indeed, this will become a motif for the cybermen over the next few appearances, the kind of the banging and the clanging.

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I think Malcolm Clark said that his kind of motivation or idea behind the cyber theme with the clanging.

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Was his pay at the end of the week.

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But also he thought of girders being struck together.

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And of course, you know, the BBC can't literally don't have enough to rub 2 girders together.

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So they hired Janet Field.

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Oh, that's tough.

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Dear listener, as we speak this week, there's been a rather amusing Twitter spat.

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Oh, yeah.

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Is that the, is that the correct, correct?

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It's like a minor collision, isn't it?

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What?

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I don't know.

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But yeah, Janet Fielding took to Twitter to say that she was a bit confused by the next run of big finished scripts because Adrix being very brave in them, to which Matthew Waterhouse responded.

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I'm never confused by big British scripts except for when Tegan's intelligent.

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But wait, that never happens.

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I had to step in, actually, and do Niss's line from a scene in Earthshock episode one and I told them, oh dear, this is all getting rather silly, isn't it?

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Which everybody got.

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Everyone did.

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You were the Sarah Sutton all the time.

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Yes.

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Oh dear.

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And again, We're not talking about the show.

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Much like last week we're avoiding talking about the actual show.

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This is the one where things happen in a surprisy way when you very 1st watch it.

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Yes.

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And everyone remembers it being stylish and clever and fresh and good.

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Don't we?

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I actually think the 1st episode is good.

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I kind of hate Earth shock.

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I think...

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It's really a harbinger of terrible things to come.

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Yeah, but it's the 1st off the rank, isn't it?

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This is a season of glorious 1st of glorious overtures and then fizzing out, you know, TS Elliott. endings, yeah.

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So we haven't really had Space Marines before.

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And the show is going to go back to it.

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But this sort of, this version of the future is quite new for the program, I think.

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And the 1st episode is genuinely terrifying, I think.

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So you've got Walters in front of his little microfiche screen thing, you know, on the surface on location for no particular reason, which makes it great.

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That looks good.

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That looks tremendous.

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And, you know, he's completely powerless to help as, you know, the lights go out on the screen to indicate that that various people are being killed.

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There's stacks of women, like heaps of the characters are women for no reason.

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To get killed.

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Oh, they get killed.

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And do you remember, I remember seeing for the 1st time that sort of pizza that Snyder turns into?

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And that's that's genuinely terrifying.

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Something the new series does very well is when aliens come along and they kill people, but they kill people in a particular way.

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You know, the way that the Zygons turn people into tumbleweeds or, you know, that kind of thing.

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And here, you know, the cyberman turning the Androids turning these people into pizzas is really scary.

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It's a great visual.

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You know, you get Snyder's name plate sort of embedded in this sort of terrible snot gunk that she's turned into.

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It's pretty nicely done. predicating both the episode 4 and and um the next series, the next serial to come up.

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Indeed.

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Something I really like about episode one, as something we complained about, I certainly will complain about in the future, but I actually think the argument between the doctor and Adric is reasonably well written and well performed.

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You know, it's not Shakespeare, but it's actually...

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No one's ever accused of that. works, doesn't it?

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Obviously, Davis, when he gives a good performance, but I really think that Matthew Waterhouse rises to it and presents it.

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Not for the 1st time.

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But presents his limes not in a sort of whinge, whiny way.

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This isn't a teenage temper tent from like in like 4 to doomsday.

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This is this is actually someone realising how far they are from home and how distant they are and the fact, you know, their best friend really died a few weeks ago and they've been trying to come to terms with that.

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It's kind of a, it's a culmination of themes that haven't really been explored anywhere near as successfully as themes were explored last year in Doctor Who.

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So they're kind of drawing together disparate threads that we have to make up ourselves.

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But I do think the argument is really good.

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And it kind of highlights the difference between Tom and Pete in that if that argument had happened in a Tom story.

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And I'm not laying this at Tom, but the writers just would have gone, oh, no, the doctor would have just shut that down straight away.

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Whereas the Pete doctor.

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No, the Pete doctor actually gets involved in the argument and, you know, that's his emotions getting better.

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I'm going to go over to you now, Nathan, because you are wincing in pain.

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Well, I actually have, I listened to my notes on the way here and they have the word teenage temper tantrum in them.

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I think it's the weakest part of the episode.

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I think everything else is really good.

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I hate the fight between them.

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And I think it's because it comes out of nowhere.

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It's full of these sort of ludicrous continuity references to last year, which no one was watching.

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And it's just, it's just not fun.

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They do a bad job of characterising everyone.

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You know, whenever they try and do this soap opera stuff, it's always just ham fisted and shockingly bad.

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I don't think the instinct to have that sort of soap opera stuff.

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Um, you know, comes from a bad place.

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I think it's a really good thing and um, and when Russell does it, you know, in the revival, I think it's spectacular.

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But these characters are all, they're so kind of plot driven, they don't have identifiable characteristics.

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I mean, who's been teasing Adric.

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We haven't even seen it.

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You know, he's, he refers to all these grudges and grievances he has about things that we've never seen on screen.

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Well, for for to Doomsday.

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The doctor kind of leaves him behind at the beginning to go off exploring with Tegan.

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And Matthew Waterhouse does have a jealous reaction to that.

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Certainly Kinder as well.

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Like, the doctor throughout the story, saying, no, Adrik, don't do it, no, don't touch that.

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Don't take your own.

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No, don't do it.

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And certainly we didn't have it in Black Orchid.

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Visitation.

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Adric does express frustration that he's looking.

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Why is the doctor never around when you want him?

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Do you get the impression this entire season is the 5th doctor trying to lose his companions?

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under plastic mobiles, at airports, and caves, wandering around, spaceship decks that look like they should be holding 4 trancassettes all up the walls, that kind of, you know, this is...

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And he'll get there in the end, won't he?

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Is that the Delta Wavorg mentor?

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No, it's the Uintan Asia machine.

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I mean, the Delta, yeah, the Waggle, mental. that's right More of this to come.

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So what is this story?

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Let's play with narrative the way that this doesn't.

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I like its linearity.

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I like that it does, what we now see as stock SF, but back then was reasonably fresh.

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It's Starship Troopers, if you like, in the way the Doctor Who does it.

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We haven't even got to the whole...

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This is performed, James Cameron's 2nd aliens.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It really kind and it really kind of presages it in a way, but of course we have our own Sigourney Weaver, don't we?

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Now, this is the best thing...

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In the history in the history of thing.

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Yes, it's all getting wrong.

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So it's Beryl Reed.

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It's Beryl.

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And Reed. let's have a moment I have a little, I have a little warm, happy mental image in my personal happy place where I go back and sit down and imagine to myself Eric Saywood's reaction when he learns that Beryl Reed has been cast as the cap perplexed, quasi, but not entirely faded, redied.

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X soap star.

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But of course, the principal in the killing of Sister George, which she played a maniacal and predatory lesbian character.

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And here she is repraising that role.

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Do you know who she was 1st cast in this?

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You might think it was Dennis Hopper or it was Pat Phoenix.

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Now, who amongst us?

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Okay.

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This is this is the law 101 or Gaylord 101.

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Pat Phoenix is, apart from if you're a Morrissey fan, you know exactly who she is. because she's been on a cover.

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She played Elsie Turner in Coronation Street, pretty much from when it started, the Matriarch, the, on her own life, was miserable enough to create, you know, an entire Tammy when it's song cycle, but her, her own, um, her, you know, meteoric fag hag level, we're talking here to the bone.

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And her stepdaughter was married to the ex-prime minister of Great Britain because that's what happens to soap stars.

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Not to them, but only to their families.

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So they can sit there and be miserable and watch other people's happiness just one generation away and then act it out on the telly.

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So it was always meant to be some really, really clever postmodern lampooning of the, um, of the, the blokey bloke in the leatherette.

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She wears gloves a lot, doesn't she?

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She does.

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I remember her in the goodies.

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Remember, she's dessire a car.

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She is.

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Thank you.

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Nicely segued to letters.

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She is Desiree SC.

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Tartos.

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How to make babies by doing dirty things.

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She had a wonderful, they were saying that she was kind of not quite as, as with it as she had been the 10, 15 years before.

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But yeah, Beryl Reed was known for having a fantastic sense of humour.

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Joe Orton adored her.

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And the story goes that in entertaining Mr. Sloan, the character of Kathy, was written for her.

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So that's one worth looking up as well.

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What's not to love in this story?

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Everything else apart from Beryl Reed.

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I have no problem with Beryl Reed's casting at all.

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People say, oh, you know, no, she's small and she's got a tango wig and she's a woman.

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It's like, you know what?

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She is a freighter captain.

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She is a space trucker.

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There is no reason this character cannot be a small, yet formidable woman when she is.

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And how often we know that to be the case.

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It's very podcast, yes.

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But when she's chewing out the doctor and ad dragon telling them off.

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I find her completely believable.

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Yeah, so I. She's really, really fun.

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And her 2nd in command is a woman as well.

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June Bland. person, yeah. who will be back in Battlefield.

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Have you noticed that June Bland has an eye for the boys?

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When they're about to leave the space station.

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Oh, dear.

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When they're about to leave the space station.

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So Briggs and Berger are sitting at Sulu's navigation console at the front of the bridge.

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And a male member of the crew, let's call him a steward brings them both a drink.

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June Bland as Berger. checks him out as he walks away.

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And I know she sort of notices him put down the drink and sort of half turns to check out his, oh, so he walks away.

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And it's whether it's the actress saying, oh, hello, like doing the Leland Chin, who was that beautiful?

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Anyway, or she's channelling Peter Grimwade's direction.

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Yes, indeed.

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Or, you know, it could be a character thing.

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And especially, this is made in 1981 slash 82, certainly broadcast in 82.

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I think the actresses would have been aware that this is a traditionally, I use the word in inverted commas, traditionally male role.

225
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So I think she's actually deciding, I'm going to engage in some traditionally male behaviour of ogling the bright young thing next to me as the object of desire.

226
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And it's just a very subtle touch.

227
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I think I only noticed it or by the 2nd or 3rd time watching, because this is another one I came to later, but I think it's a lovely character moment.

228
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Literally the only casting change I would make in the story is I would actually swap them round.

229
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I've got no problem with Beryl.

230
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But I love June Bland.

231
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Is she Robin's wife?

232
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Yes, she is also invented by the BBC script department.

233
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Brilliant.

234
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She's modelled by Richard Gregory.

235
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She built her head, yeah.

236
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I like the interaction between Ringway and Beryl Reed.

237
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So Ringway is clearly gay, isn't he?

238
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Yeah, and clearly no good, therefore.

239
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And so she's sort of like an angry old woman who's kind of contemptuous of his homosexuality, which is why she's always riding him.

240
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I just think it's really terrific.

241
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And I love his delivery of that stupid cliffhanger line.

242
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On this ship we execute murderers, you know, it's very threatening.

243
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He's going to scratch their eyes out the moment the reprise starts, I think.

244
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This feels like it was entirely formulated simply to be a wellspring for slash fiction, doesn't it?

245
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I do.

246
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Moving straight along.

247
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I do love he's finished some kind of report.

248
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He says something like, I find the disappearance of 2 crew members rather more important.

249
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And there's like a 102nd pause and Beryl Reid says, you're beginning to ball.

250
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I love the way she delivers, you know, when they discover Ringway is still alive and she says a pity.

251
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I just composed a particularly nasty epitaph for it.

252
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Actually, you know what?

253
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Beryl Reed is terrible casting in this role.

254
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Why isn't she a villain somewhere?

255
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Cheers.

256
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Just on our side.

257
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Davison maybe has driven this, but everyone else has then jumped on because this is how rumours start, that Ms. Reid had no idea what she was doing and no idea what the lines meant. and was apparently terribly befuddled on set.

258
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I don't really get that impression watching it on screen.

259
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Well, the thing is, I think perhaps she didn't understand the scientific obbledy-gook, but you don't have to.

260
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Patrick Troughton didn't understand the scientific gobbledy-gook. didn't even bother.

261
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LaVar Burton on Star Trek the Next Generation famously says, you know, I would get the script, and the original script just features the word tech, and I knew I'd get the techno babbling explanation on the day.

262
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It would just be a matter of me saying, so what emphasis does this word have?

263
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Okay, good.

264
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I'll read it.

265
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That's the thing with acting actors don't need to understand what they're saying.

266
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They need to pretend to understand what they're saying, just like they don't really need to be a timelord with 2 hearts from the planet Gallifrey and the constellation, custerberus.

267
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They need to pretend they're a time lord with 2 hearts from...

268
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And highlights... compilation of...

269
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Yeah, blah, blah, blah.

270
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I'm not correcting that, dear listener.

271
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You can have that one for free.

272
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It's funny that because is Peter the 1st method doctor, is Peter the 1st Stanislovsky, Krasner, doctor.

273
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But I finding, if everyone around him, he's actually the one coming off the blandest and the most two-dimensional in this.

274
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And yet, he's always, you know, we have the receive law that he's the finest actor so far to have shared Doctor Who as a proper professional actor.

275
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I'm not getting it.

276
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No.

277
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You don't need to be an, well, you do need to be an actor.

278
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The new series has good actors and good acting moments, but this is not the kind of script, really, that requires acting.

279
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And some of the acting is pretty lamentable.

280
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Like, I don't think Kyle is very good.

281
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There's a scene towards the end where the cybermen are heating up the doors and everyone has to do, oh, this metal is terribly hot acting, and Matthew Waterhouse looks ridiculous, and so does Beryl Reed trying to do it.

282
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You know, like both ends of the experience and talent spectrum, fail at what the script is getting them to do.

283
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You know, I think that the big problem here is that it's massively clunky and unimaginative, and the space Marines are just terrible.

284
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So the doctor picks up all the space Marines, transports them in the TARDIS, and they all sort of wander up.

285
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Yeah, Kyle actually goes off and gets a hair done.

286
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She's fabulous.

287
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So she gives Tegan her cover also that she can be Ripley in this week's episode.

288
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Because you can't hold a gun if you're dressed in a skirt, apparently.

289
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No, or those heels, those purple heels.

290
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Yeah, I would have actually liked...

291
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That would be great.

292
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But the whole thing is just really terrifically dull and unimaginative and it is just a lot of people with guns shooting a lot of other people with guns.

293
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It's the beginning of what will become a problem with Eric Saywood.

294
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And it becomes all the more evident with his next, really his next 3 scripts and his final script for the program, will take it to a ridiculous conclusion, for reasons not entirely his own fault, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

295
00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:21.420
It's that Eric Saywood doesn't actually like having the doctor in his stories.

296
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Yeah, yeah.

297
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He does everything he can to introduce other characters.

298
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And literally the doctor turns up in episode one.

299
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Yes, he diffuses the bomb and tells the soldiers how to defeat the androids, but his main purpose is to get Scott and his Marines to the ship.

300
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Now, I really like James Warwick's performance.

301
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I think he's very good.

302
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And he's also really good with Peter Davidson.

303
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And Tommy and Tuppence.

304
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That's right.

305
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When Davidson played Francesca Anis, that was a great pairing.

306
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And it's lovely they reprised it here, but with stick on moustaches.

307
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James Warwick, though, gets the unenviable thing, which often happens in Doctor Who stories, where at the end of episode one, he's holding a gun to the doctor's head, saying, do it or dine.

308
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At the top of episode two, he has to treat the doctor like an old friend.

309
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But James Warwick actually kind of makes it work because he doesn't really lose that suspicion.

310
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Just the accent.

311
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He just loses the blokey accent and goes all RP and suddenly suddenly he suddenly goes from Dougie Campfield to Murray Watson from episode one to episode two.

312
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He gets a few pips and goes to Santa.

313
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Are you sure you want to go down?

314
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It could be rough. do hope so.

315
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Check on notes on that one.

316
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I love the supporting cast.

317
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I love there's a lot of lady people.

318
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Lady actors.

319
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Including the Androids have breasts.

320
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Androids from episode. and female android.

321
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

322
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And that was specified by Eric Saywood to kind of add to the mystery of who are these people.

323
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He wanted to give people the impression that they could they could be human.

324
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Yeah.

325
00:21:55.559 --> 00:22:07.980
And then there's a really exciting reveal around the Mecano phoney TARDIS consoles prop and it's the 3 blokes in silver suits and then, wow, look what that did to the ratings.

326
00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:10.500
Yes, they dropped a whole 1000000 for episode two.

327
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Sorry, famously, John Nathan Turner was asked by the radio times, do you want to have a cover for the return of the cybermen, which is what Richard was referring to just there?

328
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And John Nathan Turner for... his own reasons.

329
00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:35.579
But possibly the 1st and now I think he understands the reason why the last time said, no, I want it to be a surprise.

330
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It's like Christopher Pine in education funding.

331
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It's such a dumb surprise.

332
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It really is.

333
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We haven't seen them for 8 years.

334
00:22:44.700 --> 00:22:46.440
Most people aren't going to know what they are.

335
00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.440
Do you think the younger or the casual viewer won't remember?

336
00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:51.779
No, and it's like a Doctor Who Monster book thing.

337
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:53.640
Ooh, you know, the cybermen.

338
00:22:53.700 --> 00:22:56.819
They were always really terribly disappointed in that.

339
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Here they are. once again.

340
00:22:58.980 --> 00:23:01.079
And I think they look terrible.

341
00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:03.420
I love them. when I 1st saw them.

342
00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:05.339
I was going to say as a kid.

343
00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:08.039
I think we should have as a kid as one of our drinking games.

344
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I love them as a kid, but I now think they're terrible.

345
00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:17.339
And the reason that I think they're terrible is they're clearly made of aluminium these days...

346
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They've got details on their face.

347
00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:26.460
And the cybermen, the great thing about the cybermen was how blank and sort of terrifyingly featureless they were.

348
00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:28.680
And all of that is thrown away.

349
00:23:28.740 --> 00:23:33.359
They struck. you know, David Banks has his hands on his hips.

350
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You've got his camp, left tenant, with the terribly posh voice, which will become a thing.

351
00:23:39.059 --> 00:23:43.559
I think the cybermen are terrible from here on in until Russell reinvents them.

352
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:47.279
Isn't it just the Christopher Robbie acting school?

353
00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:53.640
Established itself and we now have carcass slash cyber leader in every single...

354
00:23:53.700 --> 00:23:55.079
I think they're wondrous.

355
00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:55.680
What do you think?

356
00:23:55.740 --> 00:23:57.420
I absolutely agree.

357
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:04.740
And I think part of the reason, and it's also the reason that they work best with Pete's doctor is...

358
00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:06.299
They have emotions, whereas he doesn't.

359
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:15.539
Well, the criticism we've raised with Anthony Ainley, of course, and it comes back to something you always say, Nathan, the master should be the opposite of the doctor.

360
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:16.200
Yeah, yeah.

361
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:29.400
Now, Pete's doctor is this slightly uh, retiring introverted, introspective character who values um, who values friendship and emotion and affection.

362
00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:31.079
And a well-prepared man.

363
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:37.079
And me, alikeness and aloofness, and the casual losing of companions, hither and yon.

364
00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:37.920
Yeah, and viewers.

365
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:54.119
Whereas, whereas the cybermen, now, are these Bolshy and extravagant in the way they present themselves and yet are manipulative and horrible, and they become the opposite of Davison's doctor.

366
00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:59.579
And those scenes with Davison and David Banks as a cyber leader face to face.

367
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.920
I'm critical of Peter Davidson's acting.

368
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:11.339
I am critical of Peter Davidson's performance, but in that, it's like he's looking into the eyes of a human opponent, he is treating this with utter sincerity and seriousness.

369
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.299
Yeah, Peter rises when he's actually got someone to work against doesn't he?

370
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

371
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:20.819
Sylvester McCoy would later say he didn't really feel like the doctor until he did his Dalek story.

372
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:25.259
I think this is where Peter Davidson starts to, Oh yeah, I feel like the doctor now.

373
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.440
And unfortunately then next year puts him to sleep.

374
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:37.740
But for those moments when he is toe to toe with the cyberleader, that is electric and that's his best moment so far.

375
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.559
Can we get back to the world prepared meal thing?

376
00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:45.480
Can we go back to Mark Gadas's famous line of the 1st 2 moments in that speech?

377
00:25:45.539 --> 00:25:50.160
What else does he say that, you know, smeller, some flower and...

378
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:56.099
Yeah, and, you know, walk hand in hand with your with your portrait of Picasso down the scene.

379
00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:09.000
But seeing them sitting down in a nice charming bistro in outer suburbs of London with melted candles on a Chianti bowl just doesn't quite chill, does it?

380
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:09.480
Clunk.

381
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:11.759
I think that's a really terrible speech.

382
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:18.180
And I also think the terrible thing where he threatens to kill Tegan and the doctor says no.

383
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.440
Well, maybe no.

384
00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:22.680
But do you remember in the 10th planet?

385
00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:25.740
And everyone, you know, mocks the sidemen from the town.

386
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:27.359
I don't think we do, but people love them.

387
00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:27.839
Yeah, yeah.

388
00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:29.039
Peter loved them, actually.

389
00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:33.359
I think they're terrific, but they have an argument with Polly.

390
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:37.740
Do you remember where Polly says something about people dying and you don't care?

391
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.559
And the cyberleader says, care.

392
00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:47.880
The cyber leader says, well, there's people dying all over your world right now and you don't care about them.

393
00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:51.119
And the cyber, the cyber leader, he shouldn't, I shouldn't call him that.

394
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:53.339
He's crang.

395
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:53.880
Yes.

396
00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:55.319
He's in Archer too, isn't he?

397
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.019
But he wins that argument.

398
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:04.500
He does it really well and he shuts up and Billy goes, yeah, well, this argument isn't a patch on that.

399
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:04.920
No.

400
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:05.640
No, no.

401
00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:08.460
No, because no one's taking the moral high ground here, are they?

402
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:14.759
Yeah, because the cyberman's response to, you know, you have no emotions and you don't appreciate life is right.

403
00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:15.720
Well I'm going to kill your friend.

404
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:21.059
But at the same time, that is, that is the way that entertainment is going.

405
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.059
Of course, you know, we're shortly about to have the A team.

406
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.900
We've had Buck Rogers, you know, where everyone's got a ray gun.

407
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.799
We've had Battlestar Galactica, which is about killer robots.

408
00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:47.519
And yeah, so the problem again is Doctor Who is starting to be made to match other science fiction rather than to sometimes borrow from other science fiction, but never seek to match it.

409
00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:58.140
And I was very cautious there because I don't think it's fair yet to blame that on Eric Saywood, even though he's the writer.

410
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:00.480
It will become a problem now that he's script editor.

411
00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:07.200
And it was kind of a weird situation here where Anthony Root had been the script editor for the 1st 3 stories of the season.

412
00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:21.599
Then Eric Saywood took over for a 3 month probationary period, after which he was commissioned as a freelancer to write earth shock, and Anthony Root came back and just read it and went, oh, yeah, you've missed an apostrophe there, right?

413
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:22.559
Where's my paycheque?

414
00:28:22.619 --> 00:28:25.259
And... can't spell, say it.

415
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:26.759
Have you ever seen letters that he sends?

416
00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:27.839
He just can't spell.

417
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:31.079
They're almost written in green ink, can't they?

418
00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:32.880
He's creeping down the Yeah.

419
00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:36.539
Well, I think I think it's worth noting that...

420
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:41.400
For any listeners who do have trouble with spelling, that shouldn't be a barrier to you becoming a writer.

421
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:45.119
Because there are some very famous writers out there who are...

422
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:48.240
There's always Microsoft Word with it's a green squiggly underlines.

423
00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:48.720
You be fine.

424
00:28:48.779 --> 00:28:50.759
And a talent app.

425
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:52.920
Yeah, yeah.

426
00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:56.759
I mean, yeah, it's more important that you have talent that you are able to spell.

427
00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:58.500
Eric Saywood can't do that.

428
00:28:58.559 --> 00:28:59.339
This is prescient.

429
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.500
He's actually getting what the 80s is going to be.

430
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:02.279
You're just saying it.

431
00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:12.119
And I think, look, on the slim way, the Doctor Who works, this was fresh, exciting paste, and it is paste, and this Clark music is, I can still hear in my head.

432
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:12.779
It's gorgeous.

433
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:14.940
Yes, it is.

434
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.119
Grimweight hated it for the listeners.

435
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.039
Grimweight hated this so much.

436
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:27.900
The score hated the score, but of course, when the BBC reissued the music of the 80s, the subtitles earth shock, in case anyone missed the point.

437
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.700
It's the best thing we've done this, I feel it's the best thing that score they've had this season for at least.

438
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:37.859
I want Patty Kingsland or Peter Howell back the entire time.

439
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:38.640
Okay, okay.

440
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:40.140
Peter Howe might have done this story.

441
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:44.460
Patty Kingsland's kind of bouncy rock synth just wouldn't have fitted.

442
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.119
Getting back to something you were saying to some Richard about pace.

443
00:29:48.299 --> 00:30:01.019
The camera script for the final episode, for those of you don't know, dear listeners, the dialogue script would go to the director who would then write their camera script, which detailed all the shots.

444
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:06.119
Generally speaking, an episode of Doctor Who would have between 20 and 30 scenes.

445
00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:09.180
So changing, setting, changing location.

446
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.380
The final episode of Earthshock ran to 89 scenes.

447
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:14.880
All of them terrible.

448
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.859
That's the final episode, Nathan.

449
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.079
Something kind of significant happens there.

450
00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:28.079
Try and reprogram an alien computer that's actually just a couple of diodes on an old cassette deck.

451
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:29.160
It's really difficult.

452
00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:30.779
It's about to explode.

453
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.180
Why does it send the ship back in time?

454
00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:34.980
It's a thing.

455
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.680
Because they really want the episode one ratings again.

456
00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:41.519
You know, I actually think that all of that stuff is quite good.

457
00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:46.079
And I've heard the complaint that Adrik dies just Adrik dies, by the way.

458
00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:46.980
Spoiler alert.

459
00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:49.319
He's Luke's father as well.

460
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:55.380
You know, I've heard it said that he kind of throws his life away and, you know, that it doesn't work.

461
00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:07.859
But I actually think that is one thing about the writing that works really well, that we know from the Tartar scene, that the ship has slipped back in time, but I don't think Adrick does know that.

462
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:08.819
No, no, he does.

463
00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:09.660
He does, it gets better.

464
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.480
Because Adrick says we're travelling in time.

465
00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:14.700
And Briggs says that's impossible.

466
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:22.859
And Matthew Waterhouse is given the unenviable line, which I think he delivers quite well of, it is possible when you have an alien computer strapped to your ship.

467
00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:24.299
And it's...

468
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:30.299
It's one of those occasions where the line doesn't actually explain anything, but Matthew Waterhouse says it like it explains everything.

469
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:35.640
That's something I find so, so beautiful and so tragic about this.

470
00:31:35.700 --> 00:31:39.119
For the last episode, Adrick is actually being the doctor.

471
00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:42.359
And he's good, you know, but the best thing about...

472
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:43.500
He's the Ramana all the time.

473
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.019
He's the noblest Romana of them all, apparently.

474
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:57.359
We know that since his travel back in time, he actually mustn't stop the ship from crashing because it's been established in episode one that that's what wiped out the dinosaurs.

475
00:31:57.420 --> 00:32:00.480
And Pete has said something like that to Nissa and Tegan.

476
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:11.579
And so his attempts to diffuse the whole situation and save their lives are wrongheaded and so he's trying to do something really heroic that we know is the wrong thing to do.

477
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:12.900
And it's so adric.

478
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.819
You know, it is really kind of lovely.

479
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:18.480
And the fact that he really, really wants to solve the puzzle.

480
00:32:18.539 --> 00:32:25.619
It's the 1st time his sort of mathematics has actually played a role and he's about to save himself and he rushes off the ship.

481
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.200
And the fact that it's really telegraphed.

482
00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:39.839
It's not a shock that Andrik's going to die because Pete says goodbye to him and it's really kind of funereal, you know, and he smiles and says, you know, I'm sure I'm going to be okay or something, you know, I'll see you soon.

483
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:43.259
And I think from that point, you know, that Adrick's going to die.

484
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.259
So I actually, you know, like it is kind of stupid.

485
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.299
It never pays off and we'll talk about that next week.

486
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:53.039
But I actually think that's probably the best bit about the writing of the story.

487
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:55.079
You say it doesn't pay off.

488
00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:56.579
Am I?

489
00:32:56.579 --> 00:33:00.000
This is a revelation for I haven't shared for many years.

490
00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:03.599
Am I the only one that made a black armband and wore it to school next week?

491
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:05.400
Because I really did.

492
00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:08.460
Everybody knew what I was on about.

493
00:33:08.579 --> 00:33:16.319
My brother was my brother was 12 when this went out and he tells me he was inconsolable.

494
00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:17.700
Yes, a lot of the boys.

495
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:20.759
I remember one of the year 7 boys coming up and going, wasn't it terrible?

496
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:23.400
And I don't think he meant it in the way that the podcast makes it.

497
00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:26.519
I missed it. really hit the us kids.

498
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:27.720
I did.

499
00:33:27.779 --> 00:33:28.799
I missed it.

500
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:33.900
And I went to school the next day and everyone told me Adric had died and it was years before I actually saw her.

501
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.420
No, what were you doing?

502
00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:38.759
I don't know washing my hair.

503
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.299
I'll tell you who else this hit really hard.

504
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.220
Rod.

505
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:44.700
Really?

506
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.519
He was really, really upset.

507
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:48.779
Back then, even now...

508
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:49.680
He remembers it back then.

509
00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:51.420
He remembers it back then.

510
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:55.980
And the thing is, he moved to the UK shortly after this and he's like...

511
00:33:56.039 --> 00:34:01.980
You know, I kind of said to him, because he said that he never really watched Colin and Silv.

512
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:03.720
I said, was that because you were living in the UK?

513
00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:08.699
said, that was part of it, but also I kind of, I started to stop watching after Adrick died.

514
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.639
I just thought it was so mean and horrible.

515
00:34:11.699 --> 00:34:22.139
But the thing is, you know, we watch it again now and he's able he's able to look at it a bit older and say, you know, I can see that's groundbreaking on a really great piece of storytelling, but it's it's so mean and unfair.

516
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:27.599
You know, we don't really get a departure as unfair as this.

517
00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:34.440
Debatably Perry, but really until Catherine Tate, as Donna, I'd argue.

518
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:37.380
I think that it's wrong to kill the companions generally.

519
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:44.159
I think it's a bad idea and it's it's terrible for the child audience and it's it's a bit crummy.

520
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:45.539
I think this is well done.

521
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.820
I think the death of Katerina was just horrific.

522
00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:52.320
That actually was still the most monstrous death on Doctor Who for me for all time.

523
00:34:52.380 --> 00:35:12.840
I think it was exactly the right thing to do for Matthew Waterhouse's character and I like that they took him from whiny companion and elevate him, simply elevated him simply through intellect and some emotional engagement, which, damn it, he really does only get, as you said, in this story to the point that you actually feel, oh, this is someone I could have actually cared for as a character.

524
00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:17.219
And I think he's worked throughout this season. been building to this.

525
00:35:17.219 --> 00:35:21.599
And yeah, I'm, as I said, I've never been a waterhouse basher, so to speak.

526
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.900
I think it's say, but is nasty.

527
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.480
You know, like his story...

528
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:28.260
He really does.

529
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:32.099
And if you read his novelisations, you can really, really see it.

530
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:33.840
They're unpleasant, I think.

531
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:36.900
The novelisation of this one, however, was it.

532
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.159
But number Ian Mata.

533
00:35:38.219 --> 00:35:39.659
And isn't quite fantastic.

534
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:52.380
Only back in the day, the cover of Peter Davidson doing a Bolsho ballet light splits with a gun pointing at a door is not really the highlight of Target cover arts.

535
00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:58.800
They really were appalling, but yes, within what's inside is a hell of a lot better.

536
00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:02.039
Yeah, I think I think those covers were the fault of an artist.

537
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:02.699
I've seen it.

538
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.559
Have you seen the original black and white?

539
00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:09.539
He was lampooning, I can't really say homage in Chris Achilles' work from the target novel.

540
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:17.039
So he did a black and white dot drawing of Pete over a dinosaur, a police box and a Dalek, you know, because that's what you do.

541
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:18.239
Whatever.

542
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:21.059
But he did actually look more like Reggie Perrin.

543
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:22.320
Yeah.

544
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:22.739
Yeah, yeah.

545
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:26.400
And John Nathan Turner took it seriously and said, right, this is why we can't have artwork covers.

546
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:32.699
We going to have photographic covers, which would be the next 2 years of target novelisations, season 19 and 20.

547
00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:35.940
Almost all of them, I think, Black Orchid had an artwork cover.

548
00:36:36.539 --> 00:36:40.559
But yeah, we would start getting artwork covers again in season 21.

549
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:45.960
And it's simply because in the same way that now film franchises and TV franchises do it.

550
00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:51.119
You have the photos of the stars to propel the media offshoots.

551
00:36:51.179 --> 00:36:54.539
It was the right thing to ask, but it just didn't come off visually.

552
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:59.760
Whoever was in the art department. whoever's kid who was on, you know, school leave.

553
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:01.619
The visitation is shockingly bad.

554
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.320
I think it was Clayton Hickman at 4 years of age, wasn't it?

555
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:06.780
Ooh.

556
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:08.219
Well, he was only four.

557
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.440
I think that's rather harsh to Clayton to be honest.

558
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:17.880
This story, of course, was not the original story in the slot. much like, um, much like Castravalva.

559
00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:21.420
There was a different story in this slot by Christopher Priest.

560
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:28.980
He's one of my favourite SF writers of all time, apart from the horrible things he did to Space 1979, not really his fault.

561
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.159
Does anyone here read the glamour of his things?

562
00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:34.739
He did the prestige, didn't he?

563
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.480
Anyway, there's a few things he's done.

564
00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:45.000
They're all really good and they've, in the, in the way that some of the best Doctor Who stories do the play with narrative and characters and twist time around.

565
00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:47.099
Their high concept SF.

566
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.699
And I, Brendan, I really want to hear why why it didn't come off.

567
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.559
And is there a big Finnish version?

568
00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:56.219
Well, the enemy within did actually reach a full script.

569
00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:59.039
Did actually reach a full script stage.

570
00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:12.780
And then the order came down that Adrik would be killed off in this story because if we think back to Fort of Doomsday, when either Tegan or Nissa were going to be written out at the end of it, it was never intended to have 3 companions for ages.

571
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.380
Right.

572
00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:16.440
So, yeah, the order came back that we're going to write our address.

573
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:20.880
And Christopher Priest actually said, oh, okay, I can do it because of X, Y, Z. What the enemy...

574
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.619
Oh, much darker one if he's...

575
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:27.900
What enemy within dealt with was it was going to be set entirely inside the TARDIS?

576
00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:33.539
And it was going to deal with a monster at the heart of the TARDIS, which embodies the doctor's deepest fears.

577
00:38:33.659 --> 00:38:41.460
So it, you know, it's kind of some of the stuff we've got in the most recent series finale, Heaven Sent and Hell Bent.

578
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:50.940
And I don't know whether the intention is that the doctor's fears would kill Adric, which would be quite poetic.

579
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:54.539
But something happened and JNT asked for more rewrites.

580
00:38:54.539 --> 00:38:57.539
At the time, it was sort of between...

581
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:03.179
There's not enough robots and soldiers shooting each other. in this in this?

582
00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:04.500
Where's Beryl?

583
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:24.659
But apparently, I would imagine the script was kind of between Anthony Root and Eric Saywood, which is why JNT was dealing directly with Christopher Priest, and there was a screaming match between them on the phone, and Christopher Priest withdrew the right for the script to be used entirely.

584
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:28.619
You know, didn't even say right, you can still use it, but you do the rewrites yourself.

585
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.719
So I don't know exactly what went down there.

586
00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:31.980
There isn't a big Finnish version.

587
00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:34.619
Because the script's not available.

588
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:35.820
But you know what?

589
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:36.900
That being said...

590
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:42.420
Janet Fielding did say this week, she's confused by a script she just received where Adric is very brave.

591
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.179
Ooh, maybe that's it.

592
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.059
Maybe they're doing a 5th doctor missing stories box there.

593
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:49.980
Project Z to Sigma.

594
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.320
And, you know what I mean?

595
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:53.400
The turn of Barry Jackson.

596
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.280
Where's my credit card?

597
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.699
We've just bought flight through entirely.

598
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:00.539
It got sexy.

599
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.400
We don't have any funds left at all.

600
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:07.679
And since Desiree Carthorse is in control of the ship.

601
00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:09.900
I'm so glad you mentioned just a red car horse.

602
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.300
Have we also mentioned her Avatar, Mrs. Mary Whitehouse yet?

603
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:16.559
Because I don't know.

604
00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:22.260
Maybe a gentle listener can remind us, was Mary Whitehouse still actively opposed to Doctor Who?

605
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:31.800
Because there were so many letters in the radio times about this story, mostly about the plastic bags over the cyberpersons. bonsers.

606
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:33.659
Why are they there?

607
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:38.699
Is it to prevent like dust getting in their sprockets while they're being stored in these grain silos or something?

608
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.940
I think it was just visually, something they could pull off their face and evoke tomb of the side men and the invasion.

609
00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:48.119
And it's scary because it's something you're not allowed to do.

610
00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:51.239
It shows you that they, you know, haven't even have to breathe.

611
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.619
They don't have to breathe the way that we do.

612
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:59.340
There was only one letter, I should add, complaining about Edric's death from a Mrs. Mary Waterhouse.

613
00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:03.599
Of North Wales.

614
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:10.139
John Nathan Turner did actually respond to that criticism about the plastic bag, plastic and said, you know what?

615
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:12.719
Yes, we should have thought of that and we didn't.

616
00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:13.800
Mia Koppel, we're very sorry.

617
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.760
It's genius.

618
00:41:14.820 --> 00:41:17.159
Well, you see, that's the thing.

619
00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:33.360
I wonder if it's a very clever, if it's a very clever what we might call Patrick Trout and play, because remember how Patrick and Fraser, if they wanted to insert a bit of comedy into the script, they would say half a page of dialogue before they wanted to put in their funny thing, they'd put in something completely outrageous.

620
00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:36.480
So that way while everyone was noting down, oh no, don't let them do that.

621
00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:38.400
The funny thing would slip through unnoticed.

622
00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:44.460
And I do wonder if to kind of take off some of the heat of children being inconsolable with Andrew's death.

623
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:54.239
JNT was not necessarily said, oh yeah, we'll put plastic bags on people's heads, but kind of went, well, if we're getting criticised for this, we won't get criticised as much for that.

624
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.300
And it is the way he played it, isn't it?

625
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:02.099
Because, you know, he put his hands, he put his hands up and say, actually, no, that's a very good, that's a very good point.

626
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:02.940
I'm going to take that.

627
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:06.780
And you know, didn't we have lovely drama and wasn't it a horrible thing that Hadrick died?

628
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.400
Oh, yes, well, that was horrible too.

629
00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:10.559
Yes, yes, but the plastic bag thing.

630
00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:18.300
I mean, the plastic bags are just no one has seen at this point. apart from the original transmission, no one can watch Tomb of the Cyberman.

631
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:18.599
Yes.

632
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.940
Yeah, because is there a Mormon in a Hong Kong basement?

633
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:21.659
Yeah, that's right.

634
00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:23.039
So it doesn't it doesn't exist.

635
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:27.659
And that's a terrible kind of Doctor Who monster book, Ian Levine kind of thing.

636
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:28.860
Sorry, anything.

637
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.199
But yet, it just makes my little fanboy heart squee.

638
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:32.639
No, but it's awful.

639
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:39.179
The Cybermen, the Cybermen have their BBC video collection, you know, they do, don't they, best of it?

640
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:49.320
We just they just have their own monster reel and they just watch bits of paddy from Wheel in Space and dub tomb over that because they're just so yes.

641
00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:50.099
Awful.

642
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:51.960
Yes, but they've got nothing of pertwee.

643
00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:53.400
So there's no external.

644
00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:55.380
I was hoping they'd throw a little bit of pertly in them.

645
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:56.940
The story we never saw.

646
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:01.980
No, but that would violate the entire fanboy point of this stupid scene.

647
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:06.840
And now the now the cybermen know that the doctor's a timelord and...

648
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:08.820
Oh, no, that object and all of that.

649
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.179
It's awful, awful, and it's going to wreck the program.

650
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.340
Does it, Brendan, wreck the program?

651
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:19.380
Well, I love how it gives rise eventually to, and, you know, this does my fan wank.

652
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:20.219
Can we say that?

653
00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:21.000
The world of good.

654
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:22.619
Not sexy.

655
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.079
David Banks book Cybermen.

656
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:27.480
Oh, isn't it the best worst thing ever?

657
00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:29.880
For those of you who don't know, dear listener.

658
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:31.440
And I'm sure we'll invoke it later on.

659
00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:45.780
David Banks, who played the cyberleader in every story in the 1980s. later wrote a book knitting and in sometimes hammering together the various classic series side of men's stories into some semblance of continuity. kind of clever.

660
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:57.059
But he's the one who came up with the idea that the cyber leader is a computer program that can be downloaded into any cyber body, which becomes canon in doomsday.

661
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:57.840
Yes.

662
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:04.559
When a cyber leader is killed, one side man turns to, in other words, says, I will be upgraded as cyber leader downloading information.

663
00:44:04.619 --> 00:44:08.820
And that's how the cyber leader knows that abstract.

664
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:10.559
It's beau- I love it.

665
00:44:10.619 --> 00:44:12.239
Tennessee, Christopher Robbie, then.

666
00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:13.260
Is that what we're to understand?

667
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.019
Yes, he's been downloaded into a new...

668
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:18.960
Yeah, he's Christopher Robbie and later he'll be Nicholas Briggs.

669
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.179
Won't we all?

670
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:24.659
This just works.

671
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:26.639
It shouldn't and it just does.

672
00:44:26.699 --> 00:44:27.659
Yeah absolutely.

673
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:34.980
Certainly there is something to be said for the fact that it works best on 1st viewing and repeated viewings you get less and less out of it.

674
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:40.440
That's true of any action adventure, where you've got plot points that are supposed to be unexpected, yeah.

675
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:41.159
Absolutely.

676
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:52.559
And this was during the advent of horror sci-fi and slasher films, which, by definition, become weakened the more you watch them because you don't get the surprises.

677
00:44:52.619 --> 00:44:54.659
Like, if you watch Friday the 13th twice.

678
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:59.940
You know exactly when Pamela Vorhees is going to stab Kevin Bacon through the neck with an arrow through a bed. just know.

679
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.619
Spoiler alert.

680
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.420
Most of us wake up feeling like that.

681
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.340
Kevin Bacon.

682
00:45:06.659 --> 00:45:09.420
But that's the thing.

683
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:17.579
When I watch Earthshock, I remember I remember watching it for the 1st time more than I sort of analyse whether the plot works.

684
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:28.320
And, you know, we haven't really discussed the plot very much because the plot is secondary to the action, and it's not something I want Doctor Who to do all the time, and it's certainly something that becomes more of a problem.

685
00:45:28.380 --> 00:45:31.739
But this is the 1st time Doctor Who's done an action movie, really.

686
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:44.639
And, you know, considering John Pert, we used to ride around on motorcycles and karate top people, and this is the 1st proper action movie we get, that's worth commending, I think. all in a BBC television studio.

687
00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:54.780
I mean, it's kind of a terrible, cheap, shoddy action movie with an assistant floor manager standing under the stairs making marks on a clipboard.

688
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:56.099
I mean, it's just not good.

689
00:45:56.159 --> 00:46:01.019
Not to mention the cybermen who have a very chatty hand gesture conversation.

690
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:02.699
I love those two.

691
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:07.139
I want to dedicate this to Matthew Waterhouse this entire podcast.

692
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.619
I think he wins the day on this one.

693
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:43.559
Well, dear listener, as we're punctuated by the sound of a crashing freighter destroying the dinosaurs and Matthew Waterhouse, we move on, and next week, we will return with time flight, a story.

694
00:46:43.619 --> 00:46:47.760
I was incredibly excited to see in 1993 during the repeat season.

695
00:46:47.820 --> 00:46:49.380
Let's see if my excitement holds up.

696
00:46:49.440 --> 00:47:02.699
In the meantime, you can find us online at our new website, flightthroughentirety.sexy, and also flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes at FTE podcast on Twitter, over on Bondfinger.

697
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.960
We have a variety of James Bond commentaries where I'm currently halfway through Roger Moore.

698
00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:11.880
That's Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter.

699
00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:16.380
Maybe I've uploaded something new to Doctor Who in 10 seconds by now.

700
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.059
I have no idea.

701
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:24.539
I suspect this isn't going to be a pick of the week next week, but I will just throw out again.

702
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:34.320
Do track yourself down a copy of Blue Box Boy, Matthew Waterhouse's autobiography because this is the last time we're going to be discussing Matthew Waterhouse or is it?

703
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.539
Until next week.

704
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:43.920
Thank you very much for listening, and may you never love a character who is horribly murdered by TV producers in request for ratings.

705
00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:45.059
Hodor.

706
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:46.800
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

707
00:47:46.860 --> 00:47:47.639
Good night.

708
00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:48.360
Good night.

709
00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:57.780
That was Flight through Entirety with Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

710
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:03.119
This episode, contemptuous of his homosexuality, was recorded on the 10th of June 2016.

711
00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:05.940
The next episode will be released on the 24th of July.

712
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.039
Thanks for Adrick, Matthew.

713
00:48:08.099 --> 00:48:09.599
You'll always get a gold star from us.

714
00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:24.780
I want to see the cyberleaders and the cyberlieutenant do their own archer pastiche with Cheryl and Pam with a cybernet dolphin pop.

715
00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:30.179
It's almost happening on screen as we watch isn't it?

716
00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:35.400
That's a band of trust.

717
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.739
And when you're a blues, that trust.

718
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.539
Oh, the suburb.