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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flightthrough Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast who will make life intolerable for

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those who remain.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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And I guess I should take this plastic bag off my head now.

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It could be advisable because we're about to get a shock of earth

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shattering proportions.

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Well, is historical Sentinel or something like that?

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I don't know.

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Well, there was an artistic Clark short story called Central Along

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which Stanley Kubrick made a certain film based upon him in 1968.

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I wasn't Arthur C.

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Clarke not actually that happy with how much the film changed?

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It kind of, you know, he wrote it.

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He wrote it.

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Let's do a Kubrick podcast.

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I've been to Clark's house. stood in his little room and

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everything and it's a lot more interesting than what we're about.

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No, that's not fair, is it?

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Listen, it's Malcolm Clark.

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Listen, listen, listen.

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Can we talk about the music?

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No, it's not.

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It's Malcolm Cluck.

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We haven't had this since the sea devils.

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So we remember the sea devil's music because that was Malcolm

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Clark playing a synthesiser with his face.

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Bill Ody string vests.

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Well, in the same way that this is lovely, genuine instruments.

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We have a bass clarinet, a space clarinet.

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And this one, and we have, oh, golly, samples.

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You know, when the clanging noises is actually BBC film cans being

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banged together and then put through the DX 70.

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Yeah, I think that's a metaphor.

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I love this music. really do.

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Did you always put slightly clever things.

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There's something called a gamelon.

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I don't actually, do you know what that is?

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Gamelin?

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Gamble in that sort.

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No, I think they had guns oozing out of their noses, didn't they?

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That's the next story.

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I think a Gamelon is, it's very nice shirt.

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So with prosciutto.

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Yes, I was just going to say, oh, boom, tish, boom, tish.

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And there are, you know, there are little bits.

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There's Saint Sons carnival of the monsters.

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Carnival of the monsters.

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When Nissa discovers the bones.

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And then there's a bit of Mala's third.

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You know, the bit where it gets really nature-esque.

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That also thrown in here.

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He was told, he was told by the directors to do space adventures.

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We want another 60s thing that worked so considerably well every

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time we saw a cyber person or indeed a yeti person.

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And indeed, this will become a motif for the cybermen over the

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next few appearances, the kind of the banging and the clanging.

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I think Malcolm Clark said that his kind of motivation or idea

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behind the cyber theme with the clanging.

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Was his pay at the end of the week.

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But also he thought of girders being struck together.

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And of course, you know, the BBC can't literally don't have enough

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to rub 2 girders together.

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So they hired Janet Field.

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Oh, that's tough.

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Dear listener, as we speak this week, there's been a rather

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amusing Twitter spat.

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Is that the, is that the correct, correct?

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It's like a minor collision, isn't it?

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What?

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I don't know.

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But yeah, Janet Fielding took to Twitter to say that she was a bit

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confused by the next run of big finished scripts because Adrix

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being very brave in them, to which Matthew Waterhouse responded.

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I'm never confused by big British scripts except for when Tegan's

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intelligent.

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But wait, that never happens.

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I had to step in, actually, and do Niss's line from a scene in

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Earthshock episode one and I told them, oh dear, this is all

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getting rather silly, isn't it?

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Which everybody got.

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Everyone did.

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You were the Sarah Sutton all the time.

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Yes.

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Oh dear.

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And again, We're not talking about the show.

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Much like last week we're avoiding talking about the actual show.

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This is the one where things happen in a surprisy way when you

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very 1st watch it.

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Yes.

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And everyone remembers it being stylish and clever and fresh and

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good.

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Don't we?

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I actually think the 1st episode is good.

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I kind of hate Earth shock.

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I think...

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It's really a harbinger of terrible things to come.

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Yeah, but it's the 1st off the rank, isn't it?

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This is a season of glorious 1st of glorious overtures and then

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fizzing out, you know, TS Elliott. endings, yeah.

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So we haven't really had Space Marines before.

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And the show is going to go back to it.

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But this sort of, this version of the future is quite new for the

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program, I think.

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And the 1st episode is genuinely terrifying, I think.

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So you've got Walters in front of his little microfiche screen

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thing, you know, on the surface on location for no particular

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reason, which makes it great.

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That looks good.

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That looks tremendous.

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And, you know, he's completely powerless to help as, you know, the

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lights go out on the screen to indicate that that various people

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are being killed.

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There's stacks of women, like heaps of the characters are women

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for no reason.

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To get killed.

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Oh, they get killed.

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And do you remember, I remember seeing for the 1st time that sort

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of pizza that Snyder turns into?

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And that's that's genuinely terrifying.

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Something the new series does very well is when aliens come along

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and they kill people, but they kill people in a particular way.

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You know, the way that the Zygons turn people into tumbleweeds or

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you know, that kind of thing.

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And here, you know, the cyberman turning the Androids turning

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these people into pizzas is really scary.

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It's a great visual.

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You know, you get Snyder's name plate sort of embedded in this

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sort of terrible snot gunk that she's turned into.

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It's pretty nicely done. predicating both the episode 4 and and um

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the next series, the next serial to come up.

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Indeed.

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Something I really like about episode one, as something we

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complained about, I certainly will complain about in the future

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but I actually think the argument between the doctor and Adric is

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reasonably well written and well performed.

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You know, it's not Shakespeare, but it's actually...

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No one's ever accused of that. works, doesn't it?

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Obviously, Davis, when he gives a good performance, but I really

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think that Matthew Waterhouse rises to it and presents it.

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Not for the 1st time.

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But presents his limes not in a sort of whinge, whiny way.

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This isn't a teenage temper tent from like in like 4 to doomsday.

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This is this is actually someone realising how far they are from

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home and how distant they are and the fact, you know, their best

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friend really died a few weeks ago and they've been trying to come

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to terms with that.

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It's kind of a, it's a culmination of themes that haven't really

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been explored anywhere near as successfully as themes were

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explored last year in Doctor Who.

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So they're kind of drawing together disparate threads that we have

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to make up ourselves.

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But I do think the argument is really good.

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And it kind of highlights the difference between Tom and Pete in

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that if that argument had happened in a Tom story.

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And I'm not laying this at Tom, but the writers just would have

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gone, oh, no, the doctor would have just shut that down straight

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away.

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Whereas the Pete doctor.

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No, the Pete doctor actually gets involved in the argument and, you

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know, that's his emotions getting better.

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I'm going to go over to you now, Nathan, because you are wincing

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in pain.

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Well, I actually have, I listened to my notes on the way here and

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they have the word teenage temper tantrum in them.

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I think it's the weakest part of the episode.

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I think everything else is really good.

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I hate the fight between them.

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And I think it's because it comes out of nowhere.

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It's full of these sort of ludicrous continuity references to last

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year, which no one was watching.

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And it's just, it's just not fun.

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They do a bad job of characterising everyone.

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You know, whenever they try and do this soap opera stuff, it's

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always just ham fisted and shockingly bad.

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I don't think the instinct to have that sort of soap opera stuff.

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Um, you know, comes from a bad place.

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I think it's a really good thing and um, and when Russell does it

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you know, in the revival, I think it's spectacular.

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But these characters are all, they're so kind of plot driven, they

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don't have identifiable characteristics.

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I mean, who's been teasing Adric.

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We haven't even seen it.

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You know, he's, he refers to all these grudges and grievances he

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has about things that we've never seen on screen.

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Well, for for to Doomsday.

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The doctor kind of leaves him behind at the beginning to go off

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exploring with Tegan.

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And Matthew Waterhouse does have a jealous reaction to that.

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Certainly Kinder as well.

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Like, the doctor throughout the story, saying, no, Adrik, don't do

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it, no, don't touch that.

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Don't take your own.

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No, don't do it.

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And certainly we didn't have it in Black Orchid.

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Visitation.

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Adric does express frustration that he's looking.

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Why is the doctor never around when you want him?

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Do you get the impression this entire season is the 5th doctor

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trying to lose his companions?

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under plastic mobiles, at airports, and caves, wandering around

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spaceship decks that look like they should be holding 4

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trancassettes all up the walls, that kind of, you know, this

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is...

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And he'll get there in the end, won't he?

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Is that the Delta Wavorg mentor?

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No, it's the Uintan Asia machine.

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I mean, the Delta, yeah, the Waggle, mental. that's right More of

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this to come.

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So what is this story?

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Let's play with narrative the way that this doesn't.

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I like its linearity.

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I like that it does, what we now see as stock SF, but back then

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was reasonably fresh.

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It's Starship Troopers, if you like, in the way the Doctor Who

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does it.

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We haven't even got to the whole...

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This is performed, James Cameron's 2nd aliens.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It really kind and it really kind of presages it in a way, but of

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course we have our own Sigourney Weaver, don't we?

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Now, this is the best thing...

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In the history in the history of thing.

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Yes, it's all getting wrong.

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So it's Beryl Reed.

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It's Beryl.

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And Reed. let's have a moment I have a little, I have a little

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warm, happy mental image in my personal happy place where I go

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back and sit down and imagine to myself Eric Saywood's reaction

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when he learns that Beryl Reed has been cast as the cap perplexed

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quasi, but not entirely faded, redied.

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X soap star.

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But of course, the principal in the killing of Sister George, which

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she played a maniacal and predatory lesbian character.

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And here she is repraising that role.

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Do you know who she was 1st cast in this?

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You might think it was Dennis Hopper or it was Pat Phoenix.

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Now, who amongst us?

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Okay.

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This is this is the law 101 or Gaylord 101.

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Pat Phoenix is, apart from if you're a Morrissey fan, you know

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exactly who she is. because she's been on a cover.

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She played Elsie Turner in Coronation Street, pretty much from

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when it started, the Matriarch, the, on her own life, was

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miserable enough to create, you know, an entire Tammy when it's

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song cycle, but her, her own, um, her, you know, meteoric fag hag

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level, we're talking here to the bone.

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And her stepdaughter was married to the ex-prime minister of Great

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Britain because that's what happens to soap stars.

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Not to them, but only to their families.

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So they can sit there and be miserable and watch other people's

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happiness just one generation away and then act it out on the

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telly.

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So it was always meant to be some really, really clever postmodern

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lampooning of the, um, of the, the blokey bloke in the

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leatherette.

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She wears gloves a lot, doesn't she?

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She does.

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I remember her in the goodies.

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Remember, she's dessire a car.

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She is.

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Thank you.

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Nicely segued to letters.

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She is Desiree SC.

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Tartos.

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How to make babies by doing dirty things.

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She had a wonderful, they were saying that she was kind of not

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quite as, as with it as she had been the 10, 15 years before.

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But yeah, Beryl Reed was known for having a fantastic sense of

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humour.

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Joe Orton adored her.

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And the story goes that in entertaining Mr. Sloan, the character

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of Kathy, was written for her.

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So that's one worth looking up as well.

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What's not to love in this story?

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Everything else apart from Beryl Reed.

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I have no problem with Beryl Reed's casting at all.

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People say, oh, you know, no, she's small and she's got a tango

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wig and she's a woman.

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It's like, you know what?

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She is a freighter captain.

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She is a space trucker.

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There is no reason this character cannot be a small, yet

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formidable woman when she is.

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And how often we know that to be the case.

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It's very podcast, yes.

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But when she's chewing out the doctor and ad dragon telling them

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off.

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I find her completely believable.

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Yeah, so I. She's really, really fun.

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And her 2nd in command is a woman as well.

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June Bland. person, yeah. who will be back in Battlefield.

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Have you noticed that June Bland has an eye for the boys?

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When they're about to leave the space station.

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Oh, dear.

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When they're about to leave the space station.

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So Briggs and Berger are sitting at Sulu's navigation console at

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the front of the bridge.

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And a male member of the crew, let's call him a steward brings

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them both a drink.

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June Bland as Berger. checks him out as he walks away.

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And I know she sort of notices him put down the drink and sort of

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half turns to check out his, oh, so he walks away.

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And it's whether it's the actress saying, oh, hello, like doing

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the Leland Chin, who was that beautiful?

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Anyway, or she's channelling Peter Grimwade's direction.

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Yes, indeed.

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Or, you know, it could be a character thing.

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And especially, this is made in 1981 slash 82, certainly broadcast

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in 82.

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I think the actresses would have been aware that this is a

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traditionally, I use the word in inverted commas, traditionally

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male role.

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So I think she's actually deciding, I'm going to engage in some

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traditionally male behaviour of ogling the bright young thing next

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to me as the object of desire.

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And it's just a very subtle touch.

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I think I only noticed it or by the 2nd or 3rd time watching

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because this is another one I came to later, but I think it's a

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lovely character moment.

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Literally the only casting change I would make in the story is I

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would actually swap them round.

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I've got no problem with Beryl.

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But I love June Bland.

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Is she Robin's wife?

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Yes, she is also invented by the BBC script department.

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Brilliant.

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She's modelled by Richard Gregory.

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She built her head, yeah.

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I like the interaction between Ringway and Beryl Reed.

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So Ringway is clearly gay, isn't he?

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Yeah, and clearly no good, therefore.

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And so she's sort of like an angry old woman who's kind of

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contemptuous of his homosexuality, which is why she's always

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riding him.

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I just think it's really terrific.

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And I love his delivery of that stupid cliffhanger line.

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On this ship we execute murderers, you know, it's very

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threatening.

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He's going to scratch their eyes out the moment the reprise starts

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I think.

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This feels like it was entirely formulated simply to be a

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wellspring for slash fiction, doesn't it?

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I do.

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Moving straight along.

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I do love he's finished some kind of report.

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He says something like, I find the disappearance of 2 crew members

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rather more important.

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And there's like a 102nd pause and Beryl Reid says, you're

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beginning to ball.

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I love the way she delivers, you know, when they discover Ringway

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is still alive and she says a pity.

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I just composed a particularly nasty epitaph for it.

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Actually, you know what?

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Beryl Reed is terrible casting in this role.

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Why isn't she a villain somewhere?

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Cheers.

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Just on our side.

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Davison maybe has driven this, but everyone else has then jumped

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on because this is how rumours start, that Ms. Reid had no idea

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what she was doing and no idea what the lines meant. and was

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apparently terribly befuddled on set.

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I don't really get that impression watching it on screen.

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Well, the thing is, I think perhaps she didn't understand the

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scientific obbledy-gook, but you don't have to.

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Patrick Troughton didn't understand the scientific gobbledy-gook

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didn't even bother.

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LaVar Burton on Star Trek the Next Generation famously says, you

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know, I would get the script, and the original script just

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features the word tech, and I knew I'd get the techno babbling

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explanation on the day.

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It would just be a matter of me saying, so what emphasis does this

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word have?

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Okay, good.

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I'll read it.

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That's the thing with acting actors don't need to understand what

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they're saying.

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They need to pretend to understand what they're saying, just like

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they don't really need to be a timelord with 2 hearts from the

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planet Gallifrey and the constellation, custerberus.

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They need to pretend they're a time lord with 2 hearts from...

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And highlights... compilation of...

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Yeah, blah, blah, blah.

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I'm not correcting that, dear listener.

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You can have that one for free.

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It's funny that because is Peter the 1st method doctor, is Peter

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the 1st Stanislovsky, Krasner, doctor.

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But I finding, if everyone around him, he's actually the one

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coming off the blandest and the most two-dimensional in this.

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And yet, he's always, you know, we have the receive law that he's

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the finest actor so far to have shared Doctor Who as a proper

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professional actor.

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I'm not getting it.

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No.

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You don't need to be an, well, you do need to be an actor.

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The new series has good actors and good acting moments, but this

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is not the kind of script, really, that requires acting.

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And some of the acting is pretty lamentable.

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Like, I don't think Kyle is very good.

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There's a scene towards the end where the cybermen are heating up

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the doors and everyone has to do, oh, this metal is terribly hot

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acting, and Matthew Waterhouse looks ridiculous, and so does Beryl

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Reed trying to do it.

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You know, like both ends of the experience and talent spectrum

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fail at what the script is getting them to do.

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You know, I think that the big problem here is that it's massively

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clunky and unimaginative, and the space Marines are just

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terrible.

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So the doctor picks up all the space Marines, transports them in

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the TARDIS, and they all sort of wander up.

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Yeah, Kyle actually goes off and gets a hair done.

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She's fabulous.

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So she gives Tegan her cover also that she can be Ripley in this

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week's episode.

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Because you can't hold a gun if you're dressed in a skirt

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apparently.

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No, or those heels, those purple heels.

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Yeah, I would have actually liked...

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That would be great.

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But the whole thing is just really terrifically dull and

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unimaginative and it is just a lot of people with guns shooting a

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lot of other people with guns.

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It's the beginning of what will become a problem with Eric

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Saywood.

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And it becomes all the more evident with his next, really his next

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3 scripts and his final script for the program, will take it to a

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ridiculous conclusion, for reasons not entirely his own fault, but

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I'm getting ahead of myself.

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It's that Eric Saywood doesn't actually like having the doctor in

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his stories.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He does everything he can to introduce other characters.

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And literally the doctor turns up in episode one.

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Yes, he diffuses the bomb and tells the soldiers how to defeat the

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androids, but his main purpose is to get Scott and his Marines to

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the ship.

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Now, I really like James Warwick's performance.

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I think he's very good.

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And he's also really good with Peter Davidson.

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And Tommy and Tuppence.

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That's right.

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When Davidson played Francesca Anis, that was a great pairing.

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And it's lovely they reprised it here, but with stick on

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moustaches.

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James Warwick, though, gets the unenviable thing, which often

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happens in Doctor Who stories, where at the end of episode one

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he's holding a gun to the doctor's head, saying, do it or dine.

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At the top of episode two, he has to treat the doctor like an old

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friend.

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But James Warwick actually kind of makes it work because he

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doesn't really lose that suspicion.

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Just the accent.

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He just loses the blokey accent and goes all RP and suddenly

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suddenly he suddenly goes from Dougie Campfield to Murray Watson

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from episode one to episode two.

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He gets a few pips and goes to Santa.

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Are you sure you want to go down?

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It could be rough. do hope so.

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Check on notes on that one.

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I love the supporting cast.

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I love there's a lot of lady people.

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Lady actors.

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Including the Androids have breasts.

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Androids from episode. and female android.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And that was specified by Eric Saywood to kind of add to the

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mystery of who are these people.

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He wanted to give people the impression that they could they could

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be human.

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Yeah.

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And then there's a really exciting reveal around the Mecano phoney

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TARDIS consoles prop and it's the 3 blokes in silver suits and

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then, wow, look what that did to the ratings.

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Yes, they dropped a whole 1000000 for episode two.

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Sorry, famously, John Nathan Turner was asked by the radio times

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do you want to have a cover for the return of the cybermen, which

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is what Richard was referring to just there?

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And John Nathan Turner for... his own reasons.

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But possibly the 1st and now I think he understands the reason why

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the last time said, no, I want it to be a surprise.

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It's like Christopher Pine in education funding.

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It's such a dumb surprise.

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It really is.

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We haven't seen them for 8 years.

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Most people aren't going to know what they are.

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Do you think the younger or the casual viewer won't remember?

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No, and it's like a Doctor Who Monster book thing.

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Ooh, you know, the cybermen.

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They were always really terribly disappointed in that.

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Here they are. once again.

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And I think they look terrible.

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I love them. when I 1st saw them.

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I was going to say as a kid.

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I think we should have as a kid as one of our drinking games.

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I love them as a kid, but I now think they're terrible.

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And the reason that I think they're terrible is they're clearly

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made of aluminium these days...

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They've got details on their face.

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And the cybermen, the great thing about the cybermen was how blank

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and sort of terrifyingly featureless they were.

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And all of that is thrown away.

504
00:23:28.740 --> 00:23:33.359
They struck. you know, David Banks has his hands on his hips.

505
00:23:33.420 --> 00:23:37.920
You've got his camp, left tenant, with the terribly posh voice

506
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:39.000
which will become a thing.

507
00:23:39.059 --> 00:23:42.779
I think the cybermen are terrible from here on in until Russell

508
00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:43.559
reinvents them.

509
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:47.279
Isn't it just the Christopher Robbie acting school?

510
00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:52.740
Established itself and we now have carcass slash cyber leader in

511
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:53.640
every single...

512
00:23:53.700 --> 00:23:55.079
I think they're wondrous.

513
00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:55.680
What do you think?

514
00:23:55.740 --> 00:23:57.420
I absolutely agree.

515
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:01.559
And I think part of the reason, and it's also the reason that they

516
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.740
work best with Pete's doctor is...

517
00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:06.299
They have emotions, whereas he doesn't.

518
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.220
Well, the criticism we've raised with Anthony Ainley, of course

519
00:24:11.220 --> 00:24:13.859
and it comes back to something you always say, Nathan, the master

520
00:24:13.859 --> 00:24:15.539
should be the opposite of the doctor.

521
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:16.200
Yeah, yeah.

522
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:22.740
Now, Pete's doctor is this slightly uh, retiring introverted

523
00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:28.259
introspective character who values um, who values friendship and

524
00:24:28.259 --> 00:24:29.400
emotion and affection.

525
00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:31.079
And a well-prepared man.

526
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:34.859
And me, alikeness and aloofness, and the casual losing of

527
00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:37.079
companions, hither and yon.

528
00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:37.920
Yeah, and viewers.

529
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:43.920
Whereas, whereas the cybermen, now, are these Bolshy and

530
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:48.539
extravagant in the way they present themselves and yet are

531
00:24:48.539 --> 00:24:52.920
manipulative and horrible, and they become the opposite of

532
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:54.119
Davison's doctor.

533
00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:58.920
And those scenes with Davison and David Banks as a cyber leader

534
00:24:58.920 --> 00:24:59.579
face to face.

535
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.920
I'm critical of Peter Davidson's acting.

536
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:05.160
I am critical of Peter Davidson's performance, but in that, it's

537
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:08.400
like he's looking into the eyes of a human opponent, he is

538
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:11.339
treating this with utter sincerity and seriousness.

539
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.519
Yeah, Peter rises when he's actually got someone to work against

540
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:15.299
doesn't he?

541
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:16.019
Yeah, yeah.

542
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.720
Sylvester McCoy would later say he didn't really feel like the

543
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:20.819
doctor until he did his Dalek story.

544
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.240
I think this is where Peter Davidson starts to, Oh yeah, I feel

545
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:25.259
like the doctor now.

546
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.440
And unfortunately then next year puts him to sleep.

547
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:34.980
But for those moments when he is toe to toe with the cyberleader

548
00:25:34.980 --> 00:25:37.740
that is electric and that's his best moment so far.

549
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.559
Can we get back to the world prepared meal thing?

550
00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:45.059
Can we go back to Mark Gadas's famous line of the 1st 2 moments in

551
00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:45.480
that speech?

552
00:25:45.539 --> 00:25:50.160
What else does he say that, you know, smeller, some flower and...

553
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:54.599
Yeah, and, you know, walk hand in hand with your with your

554
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:56.099
portrait of Picasso down the scene.

555
00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:02.519
But seeing them sitting down in a nice charming bistro in outer

556
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:07.259
suburbs of London with melted candles on a Chianti bowl just

557
00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:09.000
doesn't quite chill, does it?

558
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:09.480
Clunk.

559
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:11.759
I think that's a really terrible speech.

560
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.940
And I also think the terrible thing where he threatens to kill

561
00:26:14.940 --> 00:26:18.180
Tegan and the doctor says no.

562
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.440
Well, maybe no.

563
00:26:19.500 --> 00:26:22.680
But do you remember in the 10th planet?

564
00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:25.740
And everyone, you know, mocks the sidemen from the town.

565
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:27.359
I don't think we do, but people love them.

566
00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:27.839
Yeah, yeah.

567
00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:29.039
Peter loved them, actually.

568
00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:33.359
I think they're terrific, but they have an argument with Polly.

569
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.720
Do you remember where Polly says something about people dying and

570
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:37.740
you don't care?

571
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.559
And the cyberleader says, care.

572
00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:45.720
The cyber leader says, well, there's people dying all over your

573
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:47.880
world right now and you don't care about them.

574
00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:50.819
And the cyber, the cyber leader, he shouldn't, I shouldn't call

575
00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:51.119
him that.

576
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:53.339
He's crang.

577
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:53.880
Yes.

578
00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:55.319
He's in Archer too, isn't he?

579
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.019
But he wins that argument.

580
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.859
He does it really well and he shuts up and Billy goes, yeah, well

581
00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:04.500
this argument isn't a patch on that.

582
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:04.920
No.

583
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:05.640
No, no.

584
00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:08.460
No, because no one's taking the moral high ground here, are they?

585
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:12.720
Yeah, because the cyberman's response to, you know, you have no

586
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.759
emotions and you don't appreciate life is right.

587
00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:15.720
Well I'm going to kill your friend.

588
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:20.700
But at the same time, that is, that is the way that entertainment

589
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:21.059
is going.

590
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.059
Of course, you know, we're shortly about to have the A team.

591
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.900
We've had Buck Rogers, you know, where everyone's got a ray gun.

592
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.799
We've had Battlestar Galactica, which is about killer robots.

593
00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:38.759
And yeah, so the problem again is Doctor Who is starting to be

594
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:43.859
made to match other science fiction rather than to sometimes

595
00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:47.519
borrow from other science fiction, but never seek to match it.

596
00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:54.299
And I was very cautious there because I don't think it's fair yet

597
00:27:54.299 --> 00:27:58.140
to blame that on Eric Saywood, even though he's the writer.

598
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:00.480
It will become a problem now that he's script editor.

599
00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:04.200
And it was kind of a weird situation here where Anthony Root had

600
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.200
been the script editor for the 1st 3 stories of the season.

601
00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:13.859
Then Eric Saywood took over for a 3 month probationary period

602
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:16.619
after which he was commissioned as a freelancer to write earth

603
00:28:16.619 --> 00:28:19.980
shock, and Anthony Root came back and just read it and went, oh

604
00:28:19.980 --> 00:28:21.599
yeah, you've missed an apostrophe there, right?

605
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:22.559
Where's my paycheque?

606
00:28:22.619 --> 00:28:25.259
And... can't spell, say it.

607
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:26.759
Have you ever seen letters that he sends?

608
00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:27.839
He just can't spell.

609
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:31.079
They're almost written in green ink, can't they?

610
00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:32.880
He's creeping down the Yeah.

611
00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:36.539
Well, I think I think it's worth noting that...

612
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.900
For any listeners who do have trouble with spelling, that

613
00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:41.400
shouldn't be a barrier to you becoming a writer.

614
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:45.119
Because there are some very famous writers out there who are...

615
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:47.640
There's always Microsoft Word with it's a green squiggly

616
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:48.240
underlines.

617
00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:48.720
You be fine.

618
00:28:48.779 --> 00:28:50.759
And a talent app.

619
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:52.920
Yeah, yeah.

620
00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:55.920
I mean, yeah, it's more important that you have talent that you

621
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:56.759
are able to spell.

622
00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:58.500
Eric Saywood can't do that.

623
00:28:58.559 --> 00:28:59.339
This is prescient.

624
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.500
He's actually getting what the 80s is going to be.

625
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:02.279
You're just saying it.

626
00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:05.519
And I think, look, on the slim way, the Doctor Who works, this was

627
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:11.400
fresh, exciting paste, and it is paste, and this Clark music is, I

628
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:12.119
can still hear in my head.

629
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:12.779
It's gorgeous.

630
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:14.940
Yes, it is.

631
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.119
Grimweight hated it for the listeners.

632
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.039
Grimweight hated this so much.

633
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:23.099
The score hated the score, but of course, when the BBC reissued

634
00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:27.299
the music of the 80s, the subtitles earth shock, in case anyone

635
00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:27.900
missed the point.

636
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.660
It's the best thing we've done this, I feel it's the best thing

637
00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:32.700
that score they've had this season for at least.

638
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:37.859
I want Patty Kingsland or Peter Howell back the entire time.

639
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:38.640
Okay, okay.

640
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:40.140
Peter Howe might have done this story.

641
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:43.980
Patty Kingsland's kind of bouncy rock synth just wouldn't have

642
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:44.460
fitted.

643
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.640
Getting back to something you were saying to some Richard about

644
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:48.119
pace.

645
00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:53.460
The camera script for the final episode, for those of you don't

646
00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:57.420
know, dear listeners, the dialogue script would go to the director

647
00:29:57.420 --> 00:30:00.000
who would then write their camera script, which detailed all the

648
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.019
shots.

649
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.859
Generally speaking, an episode of Doctor Who would have between 20

650
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:06.119
and 30 scenes.

651
00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:09.180
So changing, setting, changing location.

652
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.380
The final episode of Earthshock ran to 89 scenes.

653
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:14.880
All of them terrible.

654
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.859
That's the final episode, Nathan.

655
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.079
Something kind of significant happens there.

656
00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:25.859
Try and reprogram an alien computer that's actually just a couple

657
00:30:25.859 --> 00:30:28.079
of diodes on an old cassette deck.

658
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:29.160
It's really difficult.

659
00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:30.779
It's about to explode.

660
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.180
Why does it send the ship back in time?

661
00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:34.980
It's a thing.

662
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.680
Because they really want the episode one ratings again.

663
00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:41.519
You know, I actually think that all of that stuff is quite good.

664
00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:45.839
And I've heard the complaint that Adrik dies just Adrik dies, by

665
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:46.079
the way.

666
00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:46.980
Spoiler alert.

667
00:30:47.099 --> 00:30:49.319
He's Luke's father as well.

668
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.220
You know, I've heard it said that he kind of throws his life away

669
00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:55.380
and, you know, that it doesn't work.

670
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.200
But I actually think that is one thing about the writing that

671
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:04.559
works really well, that we know from the Tartar scene, that the

672
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.680
ship has slipped back in time, but I don't think Adrick does know

673
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:07.859
that.

674
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:08.819
No, no, he does.

675
00:31:08.940 --> 00:31:09.660
He does, it gets better.

676
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.480
Because Adrick says we're travelling in time.

677
00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:14.700
And Briggs says that's impossible.

678
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.940
And Matthew Waterhouse is given the unenviable line, which I think

679
00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:21.180
he delivers quite well of, it is possible when you have an alien

680
00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:22.859
computer strapped to your ship.

681
00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:24.299
And it's...

682
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.000
It's one of those occasions where the line doesn't actually

683
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.940
explain anything, but Matthew Waterhouse says it like it explains

684
00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:30.299
everything.

685
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:35.339
That's something I find so, so beautiful and so tragic about

686
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:35.640
this.

687
00:31:35.700 --> 00:31:39.119
For the last episode, Adrick is actually being the doctor.

688
00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:42.359
And he's good, you know, but the best thing about...

689
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:43.500
He's the Ramana all the time.

690
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.019
He's the noblest Romana of them all, apparently.

691
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:50.700
We know that since his travel back in time, he actually mustn't

692
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:54.539
stop the ship from crashing because it's been established in

693
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:57.359
episode one that that's what wiped out the dinosaurs.

694
00:31:57.420 --> 00:32:00.480
And Pete has said something like that to Nissa and Tegan.

695
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:05.279
And so his attempts to diffuse the whole situation and save their

696
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:09.000
lives are wrongheaded and so he's trying to do something really

697
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.579
heroic that we know is the wrong thing to do.

698
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:12.900
And it's so adric.

699
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.819
You know, it is really kind of lovely.

700
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:18.480
And the fact that he really, really wants to solve the puzzle.

701
00:32:18.539 --> 00:32:21.539
It's the 1st time his sort of mathematics has actually played a

702
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:25.619
role and he's about to save himself and he rushes off the ship.

703
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.200
And the fact that it's really telegraphed.

704
00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:31.440
It's not a shock that Andrik's going to die because Pete says

705
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.099
goodbye to him and it's really kind of funereal, you know, and he

706
00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:38.460
smiles and says, you know, I'm sure I'm going to be okay or

707
00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:39.839
something, you know, I'll see you soon.

708
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:43.079
And I think from that point, you know, that Adrick's going to

709
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:43.259
die.

710
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.259
So I actually, you know, like it is kind of stupid.

711
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.299
It never pays off and we'll talk about that next week.

712
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.140
But I actually think that's probably the best bit about the

713
00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:53.039
writing of the story.

714
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:55.079
You say it doesn't pay off.

715
00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:56.579
Am I?

716
00:32:56.579 --> 00:33:00.000
This is a revelation for I haven't shared for many years.

717
00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:02.819
Am I the only one that made a black armband and wore it to school

718
00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:03.599
next week?

719
00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:05.400
Because I really did.

720
00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:08.460
Everybody knew what I was on about.

721
00:33:08.579 --> 00:33:15.059
My brother was my brother was 12 when this went out and he tells

722
00:33:15.059 --> 00:33:16.319
me he was inconsolable.

723
00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:17.700
Yes, a lot of the boys.

724
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:20.220
I remember one of the year 7 boys coming up and going, wasn't it

725
00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:20.759
terrible?

726
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:23.039
And I don't think he meant it in the way that the podcast makes

727
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:23.400
it.

728
00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:26.519
I missed it. really hit the us kids.

729
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:27.720
I did.

730
00:33:27.779 --> 00:33:28.799
I missed it.

731
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:31.440
And I went to school the next day and everyone told me Adric had

732
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.900
died and it was years before I actually saw her.

733
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.420
No, what were you doing?

734
00:33:36.539 --> 00:33:38.759
I don't know washing my hair.

735
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.299
I'll tell you who else this hit really hard.

736
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.220
Rod.

737
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:44.700
Really?

738
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.519
He was really, really upset.

739
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:48.779
Back then, even now...

740
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:49.680
He remembers it back then.

741
00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:51.420
He remembers it back then.

742
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.539
And the thing is, he moved to the UK shortly after this and he's

743
00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:55.980
like...

744
00:33:56.039 --> 00:34:00.599
You know, I kind of said to him, because he said that he never

745
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:01.980
really watched Colin and Silv.

746
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:03.720
I said, was that because you were living in the UK?

747
00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:07.380
said, that was part of it, but also I kind of, I started to stop

748
00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:08.699
watching after Adrick died.

749
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.639
I just thought it was so mean and horrible.

750
00:34:11.699 --> 00:34:14.880
But the thing is, you know, we watch it again now and he's able

751
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.639
he's able to look at it a bit older and say, you know, I can see

752
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.159
that's groundbreaking on a really great piece of storytelling, but

753
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.139
it's it's so mean and unfair.

754
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:27.599
You know, we don't really get a departure as unfair as this.

755
00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:34.199
Debatably Perry, but really until Catherine Tate, as Donna, I'd

756
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:34.440
argue.

757
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:37.380
I think that it's wrong to kill the companions generally.

758
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:41.340
I think it's a bad idea and it's it's terrible for the child

759
00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:44.159
audience and it's it's a bit crummy.

760
00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:45.539
I think this is well done.

761
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.820
I think the death of Katerina was just horrific.

762
00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:51.360
That actually was still the most monstrous death on Doctor Who for

763
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:52.320
me for all time.

764
00:34:52.380 --> 00:34:55.500
I think it was exactly the right thing to do for Matthew

765
00:34:55.500 --> 00:34:59.400
Waterhouse's character and I like that they took him from whiny

766
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.340
companion and elevate him, simply elevated him simply through

767
00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:06.300
intellect and some emotional engagement, which, damn it, he really

768
00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:09.059
does only get, as you said, in this story to the point that you

769
00:35:09.059 --> 00:35:12.179
actually feel, oh, this is someone I could have actually cared for

770
00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:12.840
as a character.

771
00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:16.920
And I think he's worked throughout this season. been building to

772
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:17.219
this.

773
00:35:17.219 --> 00:35:21.300
And yeah, I'm, as I said, I've never been a waterhouse basher, so

774
00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:21.599
to speak.

775
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.900
I think it's say, but is nasty.

776
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.480
You know, like his story...

777
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:28.260
He really does.

778
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:32.099
And if you read his novelisations, you can really, really see it.

779
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:33.840
They're unpleasant, I think.

780
00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:36.900
The novelisation of this one, however, was it.

781
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.159
But number Ian Mata.

782
00:35:38.219 --> 00:35:39.659
And isn't quite fantastic.

783
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:44.820
Only back in the day, the cover of Peter Davidson doing a Bolsho

784
00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:50.460
ballet light splits with a gun pointing at a door is not really

785
00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:52.380
the highlight of Target cover arts.

786
00:35:53.460 --> 00:35:58.320
They really were appalling, but yes, within what's inside is a

787
00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:58.800
hell of a lot better.

788
00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:02.039
Yeah, I think I think those covers were the fault of an artist.

789
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:02.699
I've seen it.

790
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.559
Have you seen the original black and white?

791
00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:07.920
He was lampooning, I can't really say homage in Chris Achilles

792
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.539
work from the target novel.

793
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:14.460
So he did a black and white dot drawing of Pete over a dinosaur, a

794
00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:17.039
police box and a Dalek, you know, because that's what you do.

795
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:18.239
Whatever.

796
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:21.059
But he did actually look more like Reggie Perrin.

797
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:22.320
Yeah.

798
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:22.739
Yeah, yeah.

799
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.320
And John Nathan Turner took it seriously and said, right, this is

800
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:26.400
why we can't have artwork covers.

801
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:28.980
We going to have photographic covers, which would be the next 2

802
00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:32.699
years of target novelisations, season 19 and 20.

803
00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:35.940
Almost all of them, I think, Black Orchid had an artwork cover.

804
00:36:36.539 --> 00:36:40.019
But yeah, we would start getting artwork covers again in season

805
00:36:40.019 --> 00:36:40.559
21.

806
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:44.519
And it's simply because in the same way that now film franchises

807
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:45.960
and TV franchises do it.

808
00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:51.119
You have the photos of the stars to propel the media offshoots.

809
00:36:51.179 --> 00:36:53.820
It was the right thing to ask, but it just didn't come off

810
00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:54.539
visually.

811
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.500
Whoever was in the art department. whoever's kid who was on, you

812
00:36:58.500 --> 00:36:59.760
know, school leave.

813
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:01.619
The visitation is shockingly bad.

814
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.320
I think it was Clayton Hickman at 4 years of age, wasn't it?

815
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:06.780
Ooh.

816
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:08.219
Well, he was only four.

817
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.440
I think that's rather harsh to Clayton to be honest.

818
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:15.300
This story, of course, was not the original story in the slot. much

819
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:17.880
like, um, much like Castravalva.

820
00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:21.420
There was a different story in this slot by Christopher Priest.

821
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:25.920
He's one of my favourite SF writers of all time, apart from the

822
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.980
horrible things he did to Space 1979, not really his fault.

823
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.159
Does anyone here read the glamour of his things?

824
00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:34.739
He did the prestige, didn't he?

825
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.480
Anyway, there's a few things he's done.

826
00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:40.139
They're all really good and they've, in the, in the way that some

827
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:42.960
of the best Doctor Who stories do the play with narrative and

828
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.000
characters and twist time around.

829
00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:47.099
Their high concept SF.

830
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.699
And I, Brendan, I really want to hear why why it didn't come off.

831
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.559
And is there a big Finnish version?

832
00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:56.219
Well, the enemy within did actually reach a full script.

833
00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:59.039
Did actually reach a full script stage.

834
00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:03.300
And then the order came down that Adrik would be killed off in

835
00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:07.079
this story because if we think back to Fort of Doomsday, when

836
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.480
either Tegan or Nissa were going to be written out at the end of

837
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.780
it, it was never intended to have 3 companions for ages.

838
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.380
Right.

839
00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:16.019
So, yeah, the order came back that we're going to write our

840
00:38:16.019 --> 00:38:16.440
address.

841
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.420
And Christopher Priest actually said, oh, okay, I can do it

842
00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:20.880
because of X, Y, Z. What the enemy...

843
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.619
Oh, much darker one if he's...

844
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.039
What enemy within dealt with was it was going to be set entirely

845
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:27.900
inside the TARDIS?

846
00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:31.619
And it was going to deal with a monster at the heart of the TARDIS

847
00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:33.539
which embodies the doctor's deepest fears.

848
00:38:33.659 --> 00:38:38.519
So it, you know, it's kind of some of the stuff we've got in the

849
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.460
most recent series finale, Heaven Sent and Hell Bent.

850
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:46.739
And I don't know whether the intention is that the doctor's fears

851
00:38:46.739 --> 00:38:50.940
would kill Adric, which would be quite poetic.

852
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:54.539
But something happened and JNT asked for more rewrites.

853
00:38:54.539 --> 00:38:57.539
At the time, it was sort of between...

854
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.519
There's not enough robots and soldiers shooting each other. in

855
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:03.179
this in this?

856
00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:04.500
Where's Beryl?

857
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:10.739
But apparently, I would imagine the script was kind of between

858
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:14.699
Anthony Root and Eric Saywood, which is why JNT was dealing

859
00:39:14.699 --> 00:39:19.980
directly with Christopher Priest, and there was a screaming match

860
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:22.619
between them on the phone, and Christopher Priest withdrew the

861
00:39:22.619 --> 00:39:24.659
right for the script to be used entirely.

862
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.780
You know, didn't even say right, you can still use it, but you do

863
00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:28.619
the rewrites yourself.

864
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.719
So I don't know exactly what went down there.

865
00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:31.980
There isn't a big Finnish version.

866
00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:34.619
Because the script's not available.

867
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:35.820
But you know what?

868
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:36.900
That being said...

869
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:40.619
Janet Fielding did say this week, she's confused by a script she

870
00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.420
just received where Adric is very brave.

871
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.179
Ooh, maybe that's it.

872
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.059
Maybe they're doing a 5th doctor missing stories box there.

873
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:49.980
Project Z to Sigma.

874
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.320
And, you know what I mean?

875
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:53.400
The turn of Barry Jackson.

876
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.280
Where's my credit card?

877
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.699
We've just bought flight through entirely.

878
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:00.539
It got sexy.

879
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.400
We don't have any funds left at all.

880
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:07.679
And since Desiree Carthorse is in control of the ship.

881
00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:09.900
I'm so glad you mentioned just a red car horse.

882
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.300
Have we also mentioned her Avatar, Mrs. Mary Whitehouse yet?

883
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:16.559
Because I don't know.

884
00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:20.219
Maybe a gentle listener can remind us, was Mary Whitehouse still

885
00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:22.260
actively opposed to Doctor Who?

886
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:26.039
Because there were so many letters in the radio times about this

887
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:30.239
story, mostly about the plastic bags over the cyberpersons

888
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:31.800
bonsers.

889
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:33.659
Why are they there?

890
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:36.360
Is it to prevent like dust getting in their sprockets while

891
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.699
they're being stored in these grain silos or something?

892
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.340
I think it was just visually, something they could pull off their

893
00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:44.940
face and evoke tomb of the side men and the invasion.

894
00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:48.119
And it's scary because it's something you're not allowed to do.

895
00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:51.239
It shows you that they, you know, haven't even have to breathe.

896
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.619
They don't have to breathe the way that we do.

897
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.579
There was only one letter, I should add, complaining about Edric's

898
00:40:56.579 --> 00:40:59.340
death from a Mrs. Mary Waterhouse.

899
00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:03.599
Of North Wales.

900
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:07.980
John Nathan Turner did actually respond to that criticism about

901
00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:10.139
the plastic bag, plastic and said, you know what?

902
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:12.719
Yes, we should have thought of that and we didn't.

903
00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:13.800
Mia Koppel, we're very sorry.

904
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.760
It's genius.

905
00:41:14.820 --> 00:41:17.159
Well, you see, that's the thing.

906
00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:21.360
I wonder if it's a very clever, if it's a very clever what we

907
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.340
might call Patrick Trout and play, because remember how Patrick

908
00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:25.739
and Fraser, if they wanted to insert a bit of comedy into the

909
00:41:25.739 --> 00:41:30.119
script, they would say half a page of dialogue before they wanted

910
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.400
to put in their funny thing, they'd put in something completely

911
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:33.360
outrageous.

912
00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:36.119
So that way while everyone was noting down, oh no, don't let them

913
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:36.480
do that.

914
00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:38.400
The funny thing would slip through unnoticed.

915
00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:42.000
And I do wonder if to kind of take off some of the heat of

916
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.460
children being inconsolable with Andrew's death.

917
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:49.139
JNT was not necessarily said, oh yeah, we'll put plastic bags on

918
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:51.000
people's heads, but kind of went, well, if we're getting

919
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.239
criticised for this, we won't get criticised as much for that.

920
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.300
And it is the way he played it, isn't it?

921
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.300
Because, you know, he put his hands, he put his hands up and say

922
00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:02.099
actually, no, that's a very good, that's a very good point.

923
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:02.940
I'm going to take that.

924
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.579
And you know, didn't we have lovely drama and wasn't it a horrible

925
00:42:05.579 --> 00:42:06.780
thing that Hadrick died?

926
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.400
Oh, yes, well, that was horrible too.

927
00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:10.559
Yes, yes, but the plastic bag thing.

928
00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:13.860
I mean, the plastic bags are just no one has seen at this point

929
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:17.639
apart from the original transmission, no one can watch Tomb of the

930
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:18.300
Cyberman.

931
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:18.599
Yes.

932
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.940
Yeah, because is there a Mormon in a Hong Kong basement?

933
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:21.659
Yeah, that's right.

934
00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:23.039
So it doesn't it doesn't exist.

935
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:27.179
And that's a terrible kind of Doctor Who monster book, Ian Levine

936
00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:27.659
kind of thing.

937
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:28.860
Sorry, anything.

938
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.199
But yet, it just makes my little fanboy heart squee.

939
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:32.639
No, but it's awful.

940
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:37.079
The Cybermen, the Cybermen have their BBC video collection, you

941
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.179
know, they do, don't they, best of it?

942
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.960
We just they just have their own monster reel and they just watch

943
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:48.000
bits of paddy from Wheel in Space and dub tomb over that because

944
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.320
they're just so yes.

945
00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:50.099
Awful.

946
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:51.960
Yes, but they've got nothing of pertwee.

947
00:42:52.019 --> 00:42:53.400
So there's no external.

948
00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:55.380
I was hoping they'd throw a little bit of pertly in them.

949
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:56.940
The story we never saw.

950
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:01.440
No, but that would violate the entire fanboy point of this stupid

951
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:01.980
scene.

952
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:06.119
And now the now the cybermen know that the doctor's a timelord

953
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:06.840
and...

954
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:08.820
Oh, no, that object and all of that.

955
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.179
It's awful, awful, and it's going to wreck the program.

956
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.340
Does it, Brendan, wreck the program?

957
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:18.300
Well, I love how it gives rise eventually to, and, you know, this

958
00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:19.380
does my fan wank.

959
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:20.219
Can we say that?

960
00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:21.000
The world of good.

961
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:22.619
Not sexy.

962
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.079
David Banks book Cybermen.

963
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:27.480
Oh, isn't it the best worst thing ever?

964
00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:29.880
For those of you who don't know, dear listener.

965
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:31.440
And I'm sure we'll invoke it later on.

966
00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:33.780
David Banks, who played the cyberleader in every story in the

967
00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:39.300
1980s. later wrote a book knitting and in sometimes hammering

968
00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:43.199
together the various classic series side of men's stories into

969
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:45.780
some semblance of continuity. kind of clever.

970
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.760
But he's the one who came up with the idea that the cyber leader

971
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:55.079
is a computer program that can be downloaded into any cyber body

972
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:57.059
which becomes canon in doomsday.

973
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:57.840
Yes.

974
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.840
When a cyber leader is killed, one side man turns to, in other

975
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.840
words, says, I will be upgraded as cyber leader downloading

976
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:04.559
information.

977
00:44:04.619 --> 00:44:08.820
And that's how the cyber leader knows that abstract.

978
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:10.559
It's beau- I love it.

979
00:44:10.619 --> 00:44:12.239
Tennessee, Christopher Robbie, then.

980
00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:13.260
Is that what we're to understand?

981
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.019
Yes, he's been downloaded into a new...

982
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:18.960
Yeah, he's Christopher Robbie and later he'll be Nicholas Briggs.

983
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.179
Won't we all?

984
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:24.659
This just works.

985
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:26.639
It shouldn't and it just does.

986
00:44:26.699 --> 00:44:27.659
Yeah absolutely.

987
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.440
Certainly there is something to be said for the fact that it works

988
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:34.619
best on 1st viewing and repeated viewings you get less and less

989
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:34.980
out of it.

990
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.039
That's true of any action adventure, where you've got plot points

991
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.440
that are supposed to be unexpected, yeah.

992
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:41.159
Absolutely.

993
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:45.119
And this was during the advent of horror sci-fi and slasher films

994
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.280
which, by definition, become weakened the more you watch them

995
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.559
because you don't get the surprises.

996
00:44:52.619 --> 00:44:54.659
Like, if you watch Friday the 13th twice.

997
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.840
You know exactly when Pamela Vorhees is going to stab Kevin Bacon

998
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.940
through the neck with an arrow through a bed. just know.

999
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.619
Spoiler alert.

1000
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.420
Most of us wake up feeling like that.

1001
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.340
Kevin Bacon.

1002
00:45:06.659 --> 00:45:09.420
But that's the thing.

1003
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:13.320
When I watch Earthshock, I remember I remember watching it for the

1004
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.579
1st time more than I sort of analyse whether the plot works.

1005
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.980
And, you know, we haven't really discussed the plot very much

1006
00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:24.179
because the plot is secondary to the action, and it's not

1007
00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:26.880
something I want Doctor Who to do all the time, and it's certainly

1008
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:28.320
something that becomes more of a problem.

1009
00:45:28.380 --> 00:45:31.079
But this is the 1st time Doctor Who's done an action movie

1010
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:31.739
really.

1011
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:35.219
And, you know, considering John Pert, we used to ride around on

1012
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:37.619
motorcycles and karate top people, and this is the 1st proper

1013
00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:42.360
action movie we get, that's worth commending, I think. all in a

1014
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.639
BBC television studio.

1015
00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:49.019
I mean, it's kind of a terrible, cheap, shoddy action movie with

1016
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:53.940
an assistant floor manager standing under the stairs making marks

1017
00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:54.780
on a clipboard.

1018
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:56.099
I mean, it's just not good.

1019
00:45:56.159 --> 00:46:00.239
Not to mention the cybermen who have a very chatty hand gesture

1020
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:01.019
conversation.

1021
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:02.699
I love those two.

1022
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.659
I want to dedicate this to Matthew Waterhouse this entire

1023
00:46:06.659 --> 00:46:07.139
podcast.

1024
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.619
I think he wins the day on this one.

1025
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.679
Well, dear listener, as we're punctuated by the sound of a

1026
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.099
crashing freighter destroying the dinosaurs and Matthew Waterhouse

1027
00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:43.320
we move on, and next week, we will return with time flight, a

1028
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:43.559
story.

1029
00:46:43.619 --> 00:46:47.760
I was incredibly excited to see in 1993 during the repeat season.

1030
00:46:47.820 --> 00:46:49.380
Let's see if my excitement holds up.

1031
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:53.340
In the meantime, you can find us online at our new website

1032
00:46:53.340 --> 00:46:57.360
flightthroughentirety.sexy, and also flight through entirety on

1033
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:01.800
Facebook and iTunes at FTE podcast on Twitter, over on

1034
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:02.699
Bondfinger.

1035
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.639
We have a variety of James Bond commentaries where I'm currently

1036
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:06.960
halfway through Roger Moore.

1037
00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:10.260
That's Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and

1038
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:11.880
Bondfinger cast on Twitter.

1039
00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:16.019
Maybe I've uploaded something new to Doctor Who in 10 seconds by

1040
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:16.380
now.

1041
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.059
I have no idea.

1042
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:22.920
I suspect this isn't going to be a pick of the week next week, but

1043
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:24.539
I will just throw out again.

1044
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.659
Do track yourself down a copy of Blue Box Boy, Matthew

1045
00:47:27.659 --> 00:47:31.860
Waterhouse's autobiography because this is the last time we're

1046
00:47:31.860 --> 00:47:34.320
going to be discussing Matthew Waterhouse or is it?

1047
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.539
Until next week.

1048
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.719
Thank you very much for listening, and may you never love a

1049
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.320
character who is horribly murdered by TV producers in request for

1050
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:43.920
ratings.

1051
00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:45.059
Hodor.

1052
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:46.800
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1053
00:47:46.860 --> 00:47:47.639
Good night.

1054
00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:48.360
Good night.

1055
00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:54.420
That was Flight through Entirety with Nathan Bottomley, Brendan

1056
00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:57.780
Jones and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

1057
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.559
This episode, contemptuous of his homosexuality, was recorded on

1058
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:03.119
the 10th of June 2016.

1059
00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:05.940
The next episode will be released on the 24th of July.

1060
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.039
Thanks for Adrick, Matthew.

1061
00:48:08.099 --> 00:48:09.599
You'll always get a gold star from us.

1062
00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:19.860
I want to see the cyberleaders and the cyberlieutenant do their

1063
00:48:19.860 --> 00:48:24.239
own archer pastiche with Cheryl and Pam with a cybernet dolphin

1064
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:24.780
pop.

1065
00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:30.179
It's almost happening on screen as we watch isn't it?

1066
00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:35.400
That's a band of trust.

1067
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.739
And when you're a blues, that trust.

1068
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.539
Oh, the suburb.