WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:40:58 1 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:34.079 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety. 2 00:00:34.140 --> 00:00:38.340 The only Doctor Who podcast who are always mindful of the Odd Brontosaurus. 3 00:00:38.460 --> 00:00:38.939 I'm Brendan. 4 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:44.820 I'm Nathan, and I'm an all seeing, all knowing neuronic nucleus in a spa for this episode. 5 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:58.859 So we've managed to kill off Adric, and I'm sure we're going to have a deep, deep exploration of the emotional consequences thereof and the ontological nature of... 6 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:00.960 Oh, it's no, it's time fly. 7 00:01:10.379 --> 00:01:14.099 You know, Adric really wouldn't want us to mourn, you know. 8 00:01:15.299 --> 00:01:18.480 He'd want us to go to the Great Exhibition and then never mention him again. 9 00:01:18.540 --> 00:01:21.900 Yeah, he'd want us to be really upset until we found out we were going on holiday. 10 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.879 Miraculously, it's all over in my 30 seconds. 11 00:01:26.939 --> 00:01:30.359 I'll go and crimp me here, Nissa, have you still got that thing? 12 00:01:30.420 --> 00:01:32.939 What vibrates your roots? 13 00:01:33.540 --> 00:01:35.939 It's really terrible. 14 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:37.140 It's got to be that episode. 15 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:38.640 We're not even drunk, do you listener? 16 00:01:38.700 --> 00:01:41.040 It's going to be that end of the season thing. 17 00:01:41.099 --> 00:01:46.379 Ends of the seasons have always been a certain kind of guilty pleasure, haven't they? 18 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:51.060 Certainly during the Pertuy era, where they're written by Loman or whoever. 19 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:51.900 Yeah, terrible. 20 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:55.439 Is anyone feeling a little bit coronavorian, slappy at this point? 21 00:01:55.500 --> 00:01:56.879 Well, that's actually enjoyable. 22 00:01:56.939 --> 00:02:01.739 I mean, this does actually share a reasonable amount with a time monster, doesn't it? 23 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:03.060 Oh, yes. 24 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:03.599 In what way? 25 00:02:03.659 --> 00:02:11.280 Well, it's kind of stupid and it's got time for the title and, you know, there's a lot of sort of hijinks with the master and stuff. 26 00:02:11.340 --> 00:02:15.180 But it's really fun in a way that this just isn't at all. 27 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:16.560 It's so boring. 28 00:02:16.620 --> 00:02:18.960 And so cheap looking. 29 00:02:19.020 --> 00:02:24.000 To be fair, the beginning stuff in Heathrow Airport is actually rather marvellous. 30 00:02:24.060 --> 00:02:25.560 I think it's really quite fun. 31 00:02:25.620 --> 00:02:32.520 It's just another one of those little diadems where the pointy bits at the top, the 1st episode is a lot of fun. 32 00:02:32.580 --> 00:02:34.919 We've had several of those. 33 00:02:34.979 --> 00:02:36.180 Yeah, yeah. 34 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:40.500 And it's another example of JNT's master negotiating skills. 35 00:02:40.560 --> 00:03:00.659 You know, he manages to negotiate the 1st drama to film at Heathrow Airport, the 1st drama to film with a Concord, and he even started a bidding war between Air France and British Airways because British Airways were like, oh, well, you know, you have to only film it from this angle and it can't be used for evil purposes and this and that. 36 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:03.780 And he just kind of wrote in a letter to them. 37 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.460 Oh, well, thank you very much. 38 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:12.120 I'll discuss this with the writer and the script editor to make sure we can accommodate you, and we're also expecting to hear back from Air France. 39 00:03:12.180 --> 00:03:14.280 Next later it gets from British Airways. 40 00:03:14.340 --> 00:03:16.560 We're very happy to grant you filming permission. 41 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:19.319 And, you know, without any assurances that any of those things were going to happen. 42 00:03:19.379 --> 00:03:20.879 So it was a masterstroke from him. 43 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.460 They did get to vet the script. 44 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.500 But oddly enough, the stuff they wanted to cut out were not what you'd expect. were they? 45 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:33.180 No. can't direct my brain and remember what the bloody hell they were. 46 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:38.219 They weren't they weren't the stuff that ends up in a time corridor or it's flown by soap stars. 47 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:43.139 They did have to change the names of the crew. 48 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:52.080 The crew all had different names who just coincidentally enough happened to have the same names as British Airways employees, not necessarily all captains and flight engineers. 49 00:03:52.139 --> 00:03:52.979 Or Seraphim. 50 00:03:53.699 --> 00:03:56.520 Khalid, yes. 51 00:03:56.580 --> 00:03:58.680 Yes, your wine waiter. 52 00:03:59.460 --> 00:04:02.219 Don't touch the cheesy morsels. 53 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:09.060 You know, as our podcast is likely to have as much semblance of sticking together well as this story itself. 54 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:10.020 I'm going to chuck in. 55 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:13.199 I've met Keith Anthony Time flight drink on several occasions. 56 00:04:13.259 --> 00:04:14.939 And he's actually lovely. 57 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.339 He plays on Scobi in this story. 58 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.579 So he's the flight engineer with the little moustache. 59 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:21.540 Oh he's nice. 60 00:04:21.660 --> 00:04:23.399 He is absolutely lovely. 61 00:04:23.459 --> 00:04:25.860 I've seen his one man show of Dorian Gray. 62 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:26.699 Oh, okay. 63 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:28.980 Where he doesn't play Dorian. 64 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:34.199 He plays a friend of Dorian's. the narrator from the book and kind of all reported, but really scary stuff. 65 00:04:34.259 --> 00:04:43.439 He is still acting for TV and audio and lots of stage work and yeah, living happily in the south of England and he's just a lovely, lovely chap. 66 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:44.639 It has to be said. 67 00:04:44.699 --> 00:04:46.079 I quite like him in this. 68 00:04:46.139 --> 00:04:49.560 I mean, you know, they're all quite likeable. 69 00:04:49.620 --> 00:04:53.819 I'd watch a show of that, you know, I walked the spinoff sitcom. 70 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:55.319 Captain Statley. 71 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.139 Well, maybe Big Finish should get on it. 72 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:05.220 Maybe, you know, they're in the TARDIS and they have a few missing adventures before like turning up in hover mode in episode 3 or whenever it is. 73 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:06.240 Yes, of course. 74 00:05:06.300 --> 00:05:11.639 And Michael Cashman, who plays the most openly gay character on EastEnders, back in about 96, 97. 75 00:05:11.819 --> 00:05:14.160 And also an openly gay man himself. 76 00:05:14.220 --> 00:05:22.259 And I think the 1st openly gay MEP from the UK, which is a mobile excursion person, personnel suit thing. 77 00:05:22.379 --> 00:05:26.879 Yes, a member of the European Parliament, which Britain may not have for much longer. 78 00:05:27.300 --> 00:05:29.339 But that's not for here. 79 00:05:29.699 --> 00:05:42.600 But no, so yeah, Michael Cashman went on, as you say, Richard, 1st gay character, primetime British television on EastEnders, but also a huge campaigner for gay rights and campaigned against Section 28 for many years. 80 00:05:42.660 --> 00:05:45.839 You know, a lot of people hold up Ian McKellen and rightly so. 81 00:05:45.899 --> 00:05:54.959 But Michael Cashman was there right alongside Ian McCellen in the 70s and 80s, you know, going on these protests when going on the protests, got you beaten up by police. 82 00:05:55.019 --> 00:05:58.139 You know, so greatly erect. 83 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.180 Yes, he's very in this. 84 00:06:00.180 --> 00:06:04.259 He managed to convince me fancied Tegan in this, I believe. 85 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.120 There's acting. 86 00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:07.319 There you go, yes. 87 00:06:07.379 --> 00:06:08.699 We'll take more care of you. 88 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.220 He said it was the jingle. 89 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.060 Do you remember it was on the transmitted version but not in the DVD release? 90 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.899 There was a lot more BA propaganda in this one. 91 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:32.100 No, and apparently the techie stuff that they wanted to change was with the enormous flight control deck for Concord, which, yes, is one bloke with frizzy hair, looking at a scanner, waiting for fibreglass meteorites to fall on John Pertwee. 92 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:33.180 Bush. 93 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:37.139 It's even smaller than the set on Speared from Spain. 94 00:06:37.259 --> 00:06:40.860 Oh, the pixeless ones Yes, it's even smaller than that. 95 00:06:40.860 --> 00:06:41.639 I was about to say. 96 00:06:41.699 --> 00:06:48.060 They had a massive air traffic controller, Gatwick, in that faceless ones, and now it's just one bloke with a TRS 80, for God's sake. 97 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:52.920 You know, if they had a sense something like, we're monitoring the Concorde separately because they keep disappearing. 98 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.139 You know, lampshade that stuff. 99 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:57.899 But it's Ron Jones again and he doesn't really care. 100 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.060 Then what did Andrew Morgan? 101 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:00.720 Yes. 102 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.740 Busy doing squadron. was about, oh, I guess, planes. 103 00:07:04.860 --> 00:07:06.000 Right, yes. 104 00:07:06.060 --> 00:07:07.379 They do get him later. 105 00:07:07.379 --> 00:07:08.459 They do. pretty good. 106 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.100 I'd like to read you something here at this point. 107 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.040 It's by a very, very witty writer, namely Me. 108 00:07:14.100 --> 00:07:17.579 There's a book coming up called Hating to Love, where J.R. 109 00:07:17.579 --> 00:07:31.379 Southall of the Blue Box podcast and Starburst magazine and the U and Who series of books has got a bunch of us together and we're all writing about a story which is considered the worst from each season of Doctor Who. 110 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.560 So one of the stories I was given to write about is time flight. 111 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:37.980 Now the book's not out yet, but I'd just like to read you my 1st paragraph. 112 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:39.420 1979. 113 00:07:39.660 --> 00:07:51.779 Peter Grimwade, a longtime Doctor Who crew member, aspiring writer and director, and robot detractor, pictures to then script editor Douglas Adams, the concept of an evil force overtaking a gestolt alien entity. 114 00:07:51.899 --> 00:07:57.540 By the time Time Flight came to be produced in 1982, little of this original idea remained. 115 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:07.019 The concept had been through 4 script editors, 2 producers, one executive producer, 5 companions, 2 doctors, and the most unlikely shopping list ever to contribute to a collapsing souffle. 116 00:08:07.860 --> 00:08:12.839 And we refer back to the novel, the plasmaton accumulation enter his chamber. 117 00:08:12.899 --> 00:08:15.600 Even ah, he cried. 118 00:08:15.660 --> 00:08:20.699 So I don't think even by the time they get to the novelisation, they're actually bumping that one up, anyway. 119 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:25.319 This is such a glorious mess of a story. 120 00:08:25.379 --> 00:08:29.459 It's just been through so many hands and just thrown before the cameras. 121 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:34.740 I think we're actually doing it as a live podcast now where you're actually going to do an oration on it. 122 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:36.120 Yeah, that might be fun. 123 00:08:36.179 --> 00:08:38.639 It does mean having to watch it again, though. 124 00:08:39.299 --> 00:08:41.039 Watch the sound down, putting something else. 125 00:08:41.100 --> 00:08:46.559 I have to say that the thing that I like about this is it's kind of ambition. 126 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:54.419 So Cornell Day and topping say that the moment it featured a Concorde going through to prehistoric Earth, the script should have been thrown in the bin. 127 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:57.840 I think that that's not the problem with the script at all. 128 00:08:57.899 --> 00:09:00.480 I think the high concept idea is actually really great. 129 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:07.860 You know, they have fun filming at Heathrow Airport, the fact that there's a giant big concept and all of that, that's not the problem. 130 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:13.019 The problem is the execution, and then what happens in episodes two, 3, and four. 131 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:13.980 Mikano. 132 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:14.460 Yeah. 133 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:17.279 Oh, well, 4 is just terrible. isn't it? 134 00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:20.700 A whole episode, they're just putting machines together. 135 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:28.379 They're building a flotation tank for they're building an intimate spa for a whole lot of daggy old Doctor Who extras. 136 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:33.539 Do you know who the flight crew are, the people who can't talk and everyone's, you know, receive fan wisdom as these people are all terrible? 137 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:34.799 It's Val McCrimmon. 138 00:09:34.860 --> 00:09:37.799 Remember who remember production associate type person? 139 00:09:37.860 --> 00:09:40.019 Yeah, she took up a gun in the last story. 140 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:41.460 That's the one. 141 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:44.820 Business per- Oh, there's Leslie Weeks and Barney Lawrence. 142 00:09:44.940 --> 00:09:49.379 Graham Cole, who was the Melcor, is one of the passengers standing around. 143 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:51.720 You can tell because he's still a little bit arthritic. 144 00:09:52.139 --> 00:09:55.080 And even they don't really help, do they? 145 00:09:55.139 --> 00:09:58.860 I just want to see them in the spa scene at the end when they finally break through. 146 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:01.620 You know the French and Saunders sketch. 147 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:02.639 With the Silurians. 148 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:03.659 Yeah, with the cellularians. 149 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:04.440 We quoted it before. 150 00:10:04.500 --> 00:10:14.820 And the way that it characterises how Doctor Who episodes sound is they're full of just sort of lamentable techno babble and like stupid planet names and stupid. 151 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:16.679 This is when the show becomes that. 152 00:10:16.740 --> 00:10:18.120 Yeah, yeah, this is it. 153 00:10:18.179 --> 00:10:20.940 And it got some really good ratings for viewers to support that. 154 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.100 It got over 10000000 in episode one, remember? 155 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:29.100 I think we speculated that people were tuning in to see what their fallout would be from Andrix dead. 156 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:31.440 Yeah, how they how they scraped him off the windchill. 157 00:10:31.500 --> 00:10:32.159 Not much, really. 158 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:35.879 Well, he was still in the cast list. 159 00:10:35.940 --> 00:10:41.700 And apparently that's another JNT thing that he wanted to not give away the surprise of Earthshock. 160 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:49.259 And that's the only reason you get a cameo if it was me being terrifying all the time, which was really pretty impressive on 1st transmission. 161 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:57.059 I remember as a boy of 14 thinking, oh, it was another block transfer computation thing or it was another one. 162 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.960 Maybe this Adric is maybe we've not had the real Adrical season and he's coming back. 163 00:11:01.019 --> 00:11:13.320 All kinds of interesting things go through your head, but what is wrong with this story is that it ends up being very much like a Sloman script or indeed our favourite baker and Martin. 164 00:11:13.379 --> 00:11:19.440 Yeah, the boys from Bristol, that lots of ideas, little seeds are there, but they never germinate. 165 00:11:19.500 --> 00:11:20.879 They're just tossed away for the next scene. 166 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:21.720 Yeah, yeah. 167 00:11:21.779 --> 00:11:23.220 As I mentioned last week. 168 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:29.820 This is one that I came to during the 1993, 4 AM repeat season of Doctor Who. 169 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:31.740 Drunkenly, yes. 170 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:41.159 So already this story had as much mythic status for me as, say, the keys of Marinas or the Aztecs. 171 00:11:41.220 --> 00:11:43.679 You know, it was something I'd only read about in books. 172 00:11:43.740 --> 00:11:44.460 Right. 173 00:11:44.460 --> 00:11:46.379 So coming to it. 174 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:54.059 The thing I really latched onto and the thing that really excited me was the stuff in episode 3 with Xeraphim. 175 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:55.379 They're terrible. 176 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:56.519 Well, that's the thing. 177 00:11:56.580 --> 00:12:05.399 I look at it now when I go, this is such a brilliant concept and it was the central concept that Peter Grimwade came up with, but it just gets buried under all this crap. 178 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:08.700 I'm more concerned that we end up on the set of Jurassic Park. 179 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:10.200 Well, that's... 180 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:11.759 There's the BBC in terms. 181 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.539 But that's the other thing too. is that there's no money at this point. 182 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.460 And really bites, doesn't it? 183 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:18.299 It's terrible. 184 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.899 Like the exteriors are just lamentable. 185 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:23.519 I mean, they're so poor. 186 00:12:23.580 --> 00:12:28.259 You do expect Billy to wander past them casting his shadow on the distance. 187 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.899 I was just seeing Barbara in that feathered hat. 188 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:32.940 Oi, who's in charge? 189 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:34.080 I am worship me. 190 00:12:34.139 --> 00:12:35.580 I wanted a bit of that. 191 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:37.379 That's what they need to do with the characters. 192 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:46.379 Again, Nissa is standing around being meaningful and slumping against a bit of polystyrene and getting Osmos at they're not using the wit or the drive. 193 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:51.419 Janet gets to, you know, do a few welcome aboard speeches and it's reasonably truculent with that. 194 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:52.919 But it's still not enough, is it? 195 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:58.080 We're sorry for the delay passengers. script. 196 00:12:58.139 --> 00:13:03.000 It was a messy, as you were saying, it's a messy conjoining, isn't it? 197 00:13:03.059 --> 00:13:04.259 The growth and birth of this story. 198 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:05.399 Yeah. 199 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:07.320 Something that really doesn't help in. 200 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:14.940 And for years, I've been fighting against people who complain that in the studio, Concord is represented by one very slim wheel. 201 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:23.879 But I've just realised the problem with that is we've already seen shots of Concord on location with that wheel and you can see the shadow of the thing overhead. 202 00:13:23.940 --> 00:13:26.820 And whenever anyone's standing next to the wheel of the Concord. 203 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.279 I've literally just realised this in the last 20 seconds. 204 00:13:29.340 --> 00:13:30.779 There's no shadow over the top of them. 205 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.779 The lighting in this is it's the lighting that lets this one down. 206 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:40.799 It's the bland, flat Star Trek next gen season 2 problem of, no, actually even they were aware of it by then. 207 00:13:40.860 --> 00:13:42.480 Flat overarching. 208 00:13:42.539 --> 00:13:43.559 Acorn antiques. 209 00:13:43.620 --> 00:13:44.639 It's Ron Jones. 210 00:13:44.700 --> 00:13:46.559 Is it really Ron Jones? 211 00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:50.220 Because, okay, Ron Jones has done Black Orchard this season? 212 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:51.600 And it's a bit hard. 213 00:13:51.659 --> 00:13:54.600 He doesn't get the right, like, you can't get the lighting wrong on Black Orchard. 214 00:13:54.659 --> 00:13:55.500 But he does this. 215 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.559 He does, I think, Arc of Infinity next season. 216 00:13:58.620 --> 00:14:01.019 He does vengeance on Varos. 217 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:07.500 Yeah, Ron Jones is very much your point the cameras at the actors when they say the words, okay. 218 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:08.399 Is it time to go? 219 00:14:08.460 --> 00:14:14.940 And you're getting a lovely line or 6 of you just straight up there and just, oh, look, 3 quarters that way and the camera will shoot you? 220 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:17.159 It's very high school Shakespeare, isn't it? 221 00:14:17.220 --> 00:14:20.100 Just the arrangements of the actors, the 4th wall thing. 222 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:23.519 And the monster that looks like a poo with leg. 223 00:14:23.820 --> 00:14:25.620 What are they thinking? 224 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:30.059 What our favourite, favourite characters have not gone much further than that. 225 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.039 There's an emoji of it. 226 00:14:32.100 --> 00:14:32.879 Have you seen it? 227 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:33.240 Yes. 228 00:14:33.779 --> 00:14:35.519 The smiling plasmaton emoji. 229 00:14:35.580 --> 00:14:36.899 Yeah, to the lies in a brown thing. 230 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.799 Well, you remember that we used to get white dog poo on the lawn? 231 00:14:40.860 --> 00:14:41.759 We did used to. 232 00:14:41.820 --> 00:14:47.159 This is the white dog poo of a gel guard because they've got the same kind of clear bubble. 233 00:14:47.220 --> 00:14:49.139 And when you get a few close-ups of them. 234 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:51.840 You do see an eye moving around inside their gel guards. 235 00:14:51.899 --> 00:14:54.299 Oh, calcified dog turts. 236 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:55.860 This is exactly what happened to the milk core. 237 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:02.100 Speaking of calcified dog turds, of course, the masters in this one. 238 00:15:02.820 --> 00:15:05.399 Oh, can we get to Khalid? 239 00:15:05.460 --> 00:15:09.360 I was at one of my best friend at school was called Khalil and didn't he cop it this week? 240 00:15:09.419 --> 00:15:12.840 with this coming up because again, not doing the accent. 241 00:15:12.899 --> 00:15:14.700 But okay, I'll admit it. 242 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:17.340 I was 14 years old, I thought I was a little bit swank. 243 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:19.379 I didn't guess it was Anthony Aimling. 244 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:26.159 No, because he's doing your sort of racist grandfather's imitation of an Arabian kind of wizard. 245 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.000 That being said, is Ronnie Barker, isn't it? 246 00:15:30.059 --> 00:15:32.460 Khalid is at least entertaining. 247 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.019 Yeah, no, he was. 248 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:38.759 He's certainly entertaining, Pete, because Pete is laughing. 249 00:15:38.820 --> 00:15:39.720 Yeah, he really is. 250 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:45.299 I mean, the thing is, when people say, you know, it's an Arabic stereotype. 251 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:51.720 I certainly see that now, but I think they have tried to mitigate it by making his exterior so obviously alien. 252 00:15:51.779 --> 00:15:53.759 It's not another Lee Sen Chang situation. 253 00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:58.200 I was just thinking, have we come this far down because that ain't Magnus Greal anymore? 254 00:15:58.259 --> 00:15:59.279 No, no. 255 00:15:59.340 --> 00:16:01.139 I mean, you know, obviously he's an alien. 256 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:05.940 For some reason, they've decided to make him the size Doria Maldova would be. 257 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.059 And I'm not entirely sure why they've done that. 258 00:16:09.179 --> 00:16:16.740 Not that they necessarily need a reason, but earlier this season, we've already had Stratford Johns. you know, so he begins to look a bit. 259 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:18.600 There's just not quite the visual variety. 260 00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:21.360 I quite like his inner sanctum set. 261 00:16:22.379 --> 00:16:24.899 I like the interior sets are good. 262 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:31.080 And they're nicely designed and the colorations and just the diagonals of them, the sloping seats, a little bit of Ken Adam. you notice? 263 00:16:31.139 --> 00:16:32.340 Every wall's at an angle. 264 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.860 Yeah, Nathan's not smiling, don't listen. 265 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:39.059 I don't like the inside the sanctum thing and I don't like the... 266 00:16:39.059 --> 00:16:43.500 What a great episode title that would have been inside the sanctum episode two. 267 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:44.759 What could possibly go wrong? 268 00:16:46.019 --> 00:16:53.700 Matthew Warthouse was, according to the rest of the cast, very unhappy about having to make the cameo. 269 00:16:53.820 --> 00:16:54.419 Oh, really? 270 00:16:54.419 --> 00:17:01.799 And if you look at on the DVD, there is behind the scenes footage and he does seem, he does seem a little bit unhappy. 271 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:09.180 But personally, I don't think that's, oh, you know, they've killed me off last week and they've asked me to come back because if he really didn't want to be there. 272 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:13.920 He wasn't, he had to be issued a separate contract for that episode and could have easily said no. 273 00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:28.799 But I think it's probably more that if you look at that, he's got like 2 lines and he has to say them about 10 times and he's just being told, oh, could you give it a bit more this and there's just his look at his face of, how many ways could I say, if you come any closer, you'll kill me. 274 00:17:28.859 --> 00:17:30.299 Okay, fine. 275 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.099 Chatter than missing. 276 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:32.880 Dashed. 277 00:17:34.980 --> 00:17:36.720 It would be great. 278 00:17:36.779 --> 00:17:39.180 He could say, I want you to sound bored now, man. 279 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:42.000 I want you to give it a come hither, sort of speed. 280 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.059 Can you do it like Richard Todd? 281 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.839 If you do it with the camera here, Matthew, like Richard Todd, do the camera here. 282 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:50.700 Yes, all right. how to act. 283 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:54.299 I bet they had fun that day. 284 00:17:54.359 --> 00:18:06.000 In the in the Earthshot commentary, Janet Fielding talks about all of her nicknames for Matthew during the shooting and he was like called Matt Finish and Boom Boom Waterhouse and stuff. 285 00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:10.200 So they were teasing him just like he complains about in episode one. 286 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:14.640 There's something I forgot to measure last week that there's a great moment on that commentary. 287 00:18:14.700 --> 00:18:17.039 You know, they've all gone quiet during the death scene. 288 00:18:17.099 --> 00:18:17.880 This is for earth shock. 289 00:18:17.940 --> 00:18:19.619 They gone quiet, the ship's about to blow up. 290 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:21.900 And when NISA screams out, Patrick! 291 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:24.480 Janet Fielding says, you can't hear you, love. 292 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:36.119 And at that point, they all kind of flood in and start, including Matthew start making comments, but they've all kind of been hanging back because, oh, no, we should be very quiet for this bit. 293 00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:37.500 Janet's just like, nah. 294 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:42.000 They are the best commentaries with these terrible run of stories. 295 00:18:42.059 --> 00:18:43.619 The commentaries are just terrific. 296 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:47.880 I think the only story Davison doesn't give a commentary on is the Awakening. 297 00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:53.819 You know, he's, of the doctors, he's the, he and Colin are the most prolific on their own commentaries. 298 00:18:53.940 --> 00:18:55.619 Also most alive. 299 00:18:55.920 --> 00:19:00.960 Yeah, it was pretty hard to get Billy back in for the Aztec special edition, wasn't it? 300 00:19:01.019 --> 00:19:02.279 Without a Ouija board. 301 00:19:02.339 --> 00:19:03.900 And I don't know if you heard this. 302 00:19:05.099 --> 00:19:08.039 Richard Handel just wasn't up for it, so yeah. 303 00:19:08.099 --> 00:19:14.279 I don't know if you've heard this, but Sylvester McCoy couldn't do all his commentaries because he was making some little film called The Hobbit. 304 00:19:14.339 --> 00:19:14.759 Did you hear about that? 305 00:19:14.819 --> 00:19:15.839 He might have mentioned it. 306 00:19:15.900 --> 00:19:17.039 Yeah, once or Schwarz. 307 00:19:17.099 --> 00:19:19.859 And again, we're avoiding talking about the story at hand. 308 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:20.700 Nigel Stock. 309 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:22.019 Oh, hooray. 310 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:23.700 The other number six. 311 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:25.500 That's right Is he Professor Hayter? 312 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:27.180 Yeah, there's always one, isn't there? 313 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:28.619 Yeah, for haters. 314 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:34.980 Well, I love how his professor hater and he's a complete scientific sceptic. 315 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.019 And an 11th doctor fanboy. 316 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:38.400 Yes, he's straight. 317 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.819 Where is his entire fan read cosplay? 318 00:19:42.059 --> 00:19:44.220 I am your future. 319 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.819 It's stupid Why does he sacrifice himself? 320 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:52.200 And then zombie hater comes in and it's all a sort of profound scary mystery. 321 00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:57.539 See, I, the thing is, I think that's a little bit of bit me lingering because that's the kind of thing bit me would do. 322 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:06.059 And certainly, Professor Hayter, all the way through the story, is a scientific man searching for facts he can latch onto and he's offered every single fact in the universe. 323 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:08.519 It's a beautiful and terrifying moment. 324 00:20:08.579 --> 00:20:10.980 This is a really weird Doctor Who story. 325 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:18.660 In the episode three, in my opinion, is actually the best one that has the best character moments and actually moves the prolong and the best concepts. 326 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.799 And it is still the doctor episode where the doctor spends an episode locked in a room. 327 00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:28.500 And that scene where Professor Hayter kind of melts is kind of horrible as well. 328 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:34.799 And when Khalid melts, it's definitely a 2 Kleenex box scene, isn't it, as they used to say in Hollywood. 329 00:20:34.859 --> 00:20:37.680 It's like gone with the wind, but for nasal cavities. 330 00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:38.759 They're awful. 331 00:20:38.819 --> 00:20:47.460 And you find out in the DVD, on the studio floor footage, it is actually Anthony Ainley under all that while they're pumping it. 332 00:20:47.460 --> 00:20:48.599 Really didn't like him. 333 00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:50.759 Because they couldn't afford a stuntman, I imagine. 334 00:20:50.819 --> 00:20:51.539 That's the thing. 335 00:20:51.599 --> 00:21:02.279 Like, when it's all gushing out, you can hear the floor manager saying, Anthony, you know, give it a few more wriggles, you're dying, you're dying. career is dying. 336 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:12.420 I can't remember who it was, but years ago, when I used to go on Girlfrow Base or Outpost Galifray, or we'll ban you if you put up the wrong kind of link, whatever they call it. 337 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:30.839 Now There was someone who said that he went to watch one of the rehearsal sessions for time flight, because when they were doing the camera rehearsals at the BBC, the gallery was actually open and you could go in and watch things being filmed during JNZ's tenure, they only closed it during Earth Shock, I believe, because he wanted to maintain all the surprises. 338 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:40.559 And whoever this person was, he was saying that Anthony Ainley, after he gets the Khalid makeup of, initially was giving a very subtle, very menacing performance. 339 00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:44.279 It was coming down from JNT via Ron Jones. 340 00:21:44.339 --> 00:21:47.519 No, no, no, no, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. 341 00:21:47.579 --> 00:21:48.480 Not stupid enough, Tony. 342 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:49.680 Yeah, not stupid enough. 343 00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:55.920 And apparently like Anthony Anley would just kind of sigh and get on with it because, you know, it's what the director wants. 344 00:21:55.980 --> 00:22:05.279 But yeah, you know, we give him so much flack, but it looks like he actually wanted to play the character a little more sensitively, which I think he eventually gets to do in about 7 years. 345 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:13.200 It's weird because, you know, Khalid's ridiculous and over the top, but I really like Leon Noite as Khalid. 346 00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:14.339 I think he's really entertaining. 347 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:18.180 I think at the time too is the best, most colourful character in the story. 348 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.220 You know, just moved around more. 349 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:31.799 It's feeling a bit, it's crossways of other shows, whereas Doctor Who, this season, managed to be looking forward to trends, like the Avengers used to and predicting what was going to come in the next decade. 350 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:35.819 This one's actually doing a whole lot of 70s and unfortunately American shows. 351 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:37.619 It's a bit fantastic voyage. 352 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.880 It's a bit, oh, gosh, even 60s films. 353 00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:45.539 Like, let's get into a submarine and get injected into somebody's veins. 354 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:46.980 Are we going to do that in Doctor Who as well? 355 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:47.460 aren't we? 356 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:47.759 You know? 357 00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:55.500 But there's, again, the high concept of American stuff that you really need a big budget to do because most of this is meant to be driven. 358 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.019 Like this plot is not an action plot. 359 00:22:58.079 --> 00:22:58.980 It's a visual spectacle. 360 00:22:59.339 --> 00:23:01.799 Maybe it works great on radio. 361 00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:04.079 What's it like as a novel let? 362 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:05.220 Has anyone read it? 363 00:23:05.339 --> 00:23:08.579 I've not read the novel, but I can't imagine that it would be very good. 364 00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:09.900 It's very light. 365 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:11.279 I remember that. 366 00:23:11.339 --> 00:23:12.960 I read it. 367 00:23:13.019 --> 00:23:14.339 I have no memory of it at all. 368 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.559 Does Grimwade himself write it? 369 00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:17.700 Grimway does write it. 370 00:23:17.819 --> 00:23:28.440 Simtra Recall, he was interviewed years later and he sort of said for that, I think it was the 1st target novel he wrote and he kind of said, oh, you know, I just put the shooting script on paper. 371 00:23:28.500 --> 00:23:33.779 It wasn't until I came to do like Planet of Fire and later stuff that I realised, I'm allowed to embellish things. 372 00:23:33.900 --> 00:23:37.019 Even... 373 00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:37.740 Page 65. 374 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:39.839 Chuckodemus went when the walls fell. 375 00:23:39.900 --> 00:23:40.559 Yes. 376 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:44.099 Because he does say at one point, I will summon Chuckodemus supplier. 377 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:58.559 It's terribly exciting for the inner fan person what I am to see up than fuselage of a Concorde, so to speak, get right inside the elementary canal and just sort of how bloody tiny it really was. 378 00:23:58.619 --> 00:24:03.000 And just how unattractive the passenger lists were in those days. 379 00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:11.880 The biggest plot hole for me is that an academic can actually afford to fly Concord in 1981, 82. 380 00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:25.019 He was obviously being employed by Big Farmer, and it's just as well he got sucked back, Professor Hayter, and turned into a bit of loft insulation or whatever he ended up because he was obviously preparing drugs that would no doubt destroy our civilisation. 381 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.740 Can I share a few words about the unsung hero of this story? 382 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:30.180 Me? 383 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:31.140 Is it? 384 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:32.759 Angela Clifford. 385 00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:34.619 Oh, she's fabulous. 386 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.720 Also the announced tricks, isn't she? 387 00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:38.039 Yes, I think so. 388 00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:39.960 But she is lovely in this. 389 00:24:40.019 --> 00:24:42.539 Well, she's a moment of genuineness. 390 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:44.099 Jenna, are you watching? 391 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:45.720 That's what an air stewardess is like. 392 00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:48.359 She's not an idiot and she's not incredibly irritating. 393 00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:50.160 She actually just a normal person doing a job. 394 00:24:50.220 --> 00:24:52.440 Yeah, I think sorry. 395 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:58.140 The captain wants us to try that new Indonesian restaurant is found. 396 00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:02.880 Oh, no, it really does segue to Surbanon, doesn't it? 397 00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:06.059 They're all off next door to Margot and Jerry Ledbeders. 398 00:25:06.180 --> 00:25:09.059 She does kind of disappear though. 399 00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:10.500 Angela Clifford. 400 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:14.039 Like, you know, she goes into the master's TARDIS, but you never see her cub out. 401 00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:15.240 That's true. 402 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.119 You see the other ones, but of course, she's a girl person. 403 00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:20.039 They don't need to bother getting her back on set. 404 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:28.859 Well, I don't know, maybe she wasn't available for that studio session or whatever, but you see her dragging the TARDAS across the tundra, the gigantic tundra that we've got. 405 00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:34.740 I mean, the thing is, like, that scene where all the passengers are dragging the TARTAS across in that huge wide shot. 406 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:40.680 It feels like the scene with the Trojan rabbit in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. 407 00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:41.880 God, it is too. 408 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.440 Do you think they were all marginal? 409 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:50.700 Oh, she is the announcer, though, in the episode four, I think, against... she's there. 410 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:51.900 She's paid for the 4 episodes. 411 00:25:52.019 --> 00:25:54.480 Yeah, I don't know. don't know. 412 00:25:54.539 --> 00:26:00.480 Just seems to be a lot of walking around, going in and out of TARDIS is carrying things, waving your arms around. 413 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:08.700 I mean, there's a lot of early 80s G-rated Tom of Finland desk calendar air crew stuff going on too, aren't there? 414 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.119 There's a lot of blow drying and mustaching going on with... 415 00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:15.480 Well, you say it with some convincing flirting with Janet Feldick. 416 00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:16.200 So there you go. 417 00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:25.980 Built-in doesn't actually flirt with Tegan, but Stapley brings built-in out of his hypnotism by saying, do you remember Tegan? 418 00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:33.480 And, you know, Builtin says, yes, of course, we cut away before he says, yes, this is why I quit women. 419 00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:39.960 Because, of course, it doesn't work that way. 420 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.279 Take one step closer towards me, Janet. 421 00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:45.240 Oh, die. 422 00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:46.019 We're going. 423 00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:51.900 I must say, I love I love Stapley and built-in attempting to fly the Tartars. 424 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:52.440 Yeah. 425 00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:53.700 Oh, it is really good. 426 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:54.839 It can't be that big red one. 427 00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:57.960 They are a great team. 428 00:26:58.019 --> 00:27:03.480 They should be the Jago and Lightfoot spinoff of the 80s, shouldn't they? 429 00:27:03.539 --> 00:27:04.980 And you know what? 430 00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:10.140 The master's stuff with them, the master's stuff with the flight crew is so much better than his stuff with Davidson. 431 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:28.680 I mean, given, and I think it was Robert Sherman wrote this in an issue of time space visualiser, Doctor Who Story should have some big showdown at the end, and here we get the doctor and the master slightly reluctant to hand 2 science projects to watch. 432 00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:29.640 It's so true. 433 00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:32.039 It's my mini Aurak. 434 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:39.420 Well, further off on the tundra, we're draining sort of brake fluid from, you know, one Concord and putting it in another one. 435 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.079 The commentary track is terrific. 436 00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:45.420 Ooh, it looks like lime cordial says China. 437 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.220 No, it's terribly corrosive. the real thing. 438 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:48.359 Brake fluid is green, is it? 439 00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:49.380 Yes, it's a lubricant. 440 00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:53.039 Eric Saywood is similating all of that in. 441 00:27:53.220 --> 00:28:06.119 So what is on the audio cast of these once when he's sitting there with Pete and Janet and Sarah is surprisingly diffident and mellow. 442 00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:16.200 And look, I just always expected, say, to have a big blustery, blessed slash Brian kind of sound to him, because I just imagine that's what he was like as a script editor. 443 00:28:16.259 --> 00:28:22.319 But he's almost quietly, you know, he's almost Marple-esque in the background. 444 00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:25.319 He just sitting there quietly knitting while the others take the pierce. 445 00:28:25.380 --> 00:28:30.720 Do you think that's just many years of mellowing in hindsight or the fact that I've outlived almost everyone? 446 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:38.819 I think it's a little bit of mellowing, but also that sort of spokenness kind of hides the things he does say sometimes. 447 00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:48.960 Because especially in the documentaries, he quite often when he's talking about the story, the phrase, I told John this didn't work. but he insisted. 448 00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:50.279 Is there a lot? 449 00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:53.579 It's kind of like Bid Me didn't seem to have this problem. 450 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:56.220 Andrew Cartmel didn't seem to have this problem. 451 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:08.039 Both of them did comment that John would like ideas that needed a lot of work, but it seems like Eric Saywood is was a lot more ready to just put his hands up and say, whatever. 452 00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:13.799 And I can't even put that down to his age because he was, I think, in his 30s. 453 00:29:13.859 --> 00:29:16.440 But Andrew Cartmel was in his 20s, you know. 454 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:19.859 And John Nathan Turner's instincts aren't always wrong. 455 00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:26.460 You know, Sabard always presents it as, say, was knew what's right for the program and that Nathan Turner had stupid ideas. 456 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.119 You know, he carved Bonnie Langford and his Beryl Reed for Earthshock. 457 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.180 But, you know, those 2 casting decisions aren't so bad. 458 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:40.079 And certainly the program was better before, say, would became script editor and after he left. 459 00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:46.019 Yeah, I think both John Nathan Turner and Eric Say would make good decisions and bad ones. 460 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:52.079 And I think both don't really own up to their own responsibility as much as they should. 461 00:29:52.200 --> 00:30:09.119 I mean, obviously John is no longer with us and can't, but certainly the interviews I saw with him when he was still alive, he doesn't seem to acknowledge some of the decisions he made, but Eric Say would vehemently denies there's anything wrong with his decisions. 462 00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:11.339 You know, it's a very odd relationship. 463 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.420 I don't recall seeing Peter Grimway talk that much about his writing. 464 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.940 It's mostly about his directing because he's an excellent director. 465 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:33.660 I think he's, I think he's a good writer, but I think this story suffers from having been on the planning board for 3 years. terrible fanfic where nothing very interesting happens and there's a lot of people standing around saying stupid things. 466 00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:41.460 I'm not going to mention this podcast But, you know, the sexy. 467 00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:50.759 The central conceit of the Gestolt entity and the master trying to take them over and some of them agreeing with the master and some of them disagree. 468 00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:52.140 That's a fascinating idea. 469 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:53.640 No, no it isn't. 470 00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:56.819 And there's our title. 471 00:30:57.539 --> 00:30:59.160 No, go on. 472 00:30:59.220 --> 00:30:59.519 Sorry. 473 00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:01.319 No, no, I think that is a fascinating idea. 474 00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:04.319 I just, it's not given enough airtime and it's not given enough care. 475 00:31:04.380 --> 00:31:11.099 You know, we only see 2 of these people and, you know, one of them is, I am totally 4 and I am totally against. 476 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:12.119 I'm with you. 477 00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:20.099 A bit of Socratic dialogue is fine, but actually develop it in the way that Plato would have done it, that we really need some development, some character development here. 478 00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:21.359 Professor Hayter. 479 00:31:21.420 --> 00:31:22.859 Nigel Stock's a pretty good actor. 480 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:29.579 He's pretty prestigious and he's been in some very big stuff, but here it's just a big stuffing, isn't it? 481 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:39.119 You know, what if, at the end of episode three, we discover that all this time we've actually been inside the sarcophagus and everyone we've meta elements of this gestolt. 482 00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:43.740 Much more interesting, you know, as they dissolve into fairy liquid soap suds, yes. 483 00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.460 It wouldn't have changed the budget because everyone would have just looked human. 484 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:52.380 You would have had a reason to give all the characters. 485 00:31:52.440 --> 00:32:04.259 They would have had to take some side in the argument. you know, and it would have given the doctor something to figure out rather than just the end of episode 3 with, oh, the master has teleported a thing out of a room. 486 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.359 It looks like he's finally defeated me. 487 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.619 There's some really serious word peril of that cliffhanger. 488 00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:11.460 There is. 489 00:32:11.460 --> 00:32:19.200 You see, I've voted best of the season by the Doctor Who appreciation society. 490 00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:20.400 Did they like it more than Earth? 491 00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:21.660 The time they liked it more than anything. 492 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:23.400 They liked Earthstock's 2nd bestest. 493 00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:25.380 Yeah, I think Kinder was like four. 494 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:26.640 Oh, no, they hated Kinder. 495 00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.880 I think possibly achieved that poll. 496 00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:32.039 Maybe because it was the most recent story. 497 00:32:32.099 --> 00:32:37.559 Like when you consider the Dwim 50 years poll from a few years ago, day of the doctor comes out on top. 498 00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:42.779 Now, I'm not saying Day of the Doctor is as deficient in quality as this story anywhere near. 499 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.220 It is still an excellent piece. 500 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:48.660 But it comes out number one, and I think part of it is the newness of it. 501 00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:50.099 That always happens. 502 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:54.539 Because we've been teasing Todd, who gives the story a -one out of 10. 503 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.119 We've been teasing him all week that I love this story. 504 00:32:57.180 --> 00:33:02.759 And it's another story that I enjoy watching for what it attempts to do. 505 00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:10.859 And the main reason it fails so dismally is because they just haven't taken care of it. 506 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:24.599 They've kind of gone, like Andrew Morgan pulled out at the last minute because he didn't let the scripts and they had to get Ron Jones in who was still very new to directing at this point, they obviously don't have much money left because they've spent it all on. 507 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.359 They finished shooting a week before transmission. 508 00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:28.859 Yeah, really? 509 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.420 Yeah, that was that close. 510 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:36.960 It's so bizarre considering that season 18, they took such good care with money. 511 00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:39.059 Yes, they do, didn't they? 512 00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:39.599 So every... 513 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:41.759 JNT's experienced with holding the shekels. 514 00:33:41.819 --> 00:33:42.960 Yeah, yeah, so to speak. 515 00:33:43.019 --> 00:33:49.019 And JNT had been there throughout the Williams era, seeing what happens when you don't leave enough money for your finale. 516 00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:52.200 And then we get this. 517 00:33:52.259 --> 00:34:01.440 And the thing is, we've already had canine and company, which, you know, would have needed to design and set construction, but didn't need specialist stuff like this. 518 00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:03.839 A lot of it was shot on location. 519 00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:05.940 It was budgeted out of 2 episodes. 520 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:11.760 Black Orchid, you know, that's BBC period drama, the visitation was a period drama. 521 00:34:11.820 --> 00:34:18.420 So that leaves you with Castra Valver, 4 to Doomsday, Kinder, and Earthshock, as your big spenders of the season. 522 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:24.360 You'd think there should be some way that this story could have had more care and money spending. 523 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:25.800 Bassie intro maybe? 524 00:34:25.860 --> 00:34:29.159 Big spender as an ironic reference. 525 00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:34.199 I was at party last week where someone sucked the helium out of a balloon and sang Moonraaker. 526 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.039 Who hasn't done that at a party, honestly? 527 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.460 I don't think money's the only problem, I think. 528 00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:45.719 This is a poorly written script where the dialogue is just unspeakable. 529 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:49.019 And that argument between the Zeraphims is so stupid. 530 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:53.579 It is exactly what people think crummy science fiction sounds like. 531 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:55.800 No one talks normally. 532 00:34:55.860 --> 00:34:59.940 This is a another feature of the script that ending of say word. 533 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.800 You know, everyone, they must think us fools. 534 00:35:01.860 --> 00:35:03.599 You know, whoever says stuff like that. 535 00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:04.739 That's ridiculous. 536 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:10.260 It's like he's never actually had a conversation with another human being and listen to, you know, how people talk. 537 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:14.159 Is that harsh? 538 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:15.480 Am I being harsh? 539 00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:18.480 Maybe it was radiation sickness. 540 00:35:18.539 --> 00:35:20.940 Maybe that's talking a bit queasy after the long trip. 541 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:35.039 It really is a return to the dreary season closes of season 15 and season 16, but it doesn't even have the wit and warmth, that invasion of time, and arguably bits of the Armageddon factor had. 542 00:35:35.099 --> 00:35:42.840 Indeed, or going back, because we were saying, I found Time Monster, whether deliberately or not, laughable and I really enjoyed it. 543 00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:44.579 I laughed all through time. 544 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:45.480 I think it's entertaining. 545 00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:46.860 And it is meant to be a comedy. 546 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.380 Maybe we're just not getting many jokes in this. 547 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:55.920 Do you get the feeling that GNT was sort of saying, you know, we've got to pitch this at a higher level and higher meant serious for some reason? 548 00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:58.380 Yeah, yeah. 549 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.079 Whereas the most recent season of Doctor Who, I would argue. 550 00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:11.340 They're trying to pitch higher ideas and we had the bootstrap paradox and we had the moral discussion between the doctor and Davros, lady me, et cetera, et cetera. 551 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:13.500 But they don't do it at expense of the humour. 552 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:14.940 There's still humour in those. 553 00:36:15.059 --> 00:36:19.079 And they're not being written for the Doctor Who Monster book contingent. 554 00:36:19.139 --> 00:36:22.860 And I think that's the problem because fans hate funny. 555 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:33.840 They hate the gunfighters. you know, this is a proper serious science fiction program and so it needs to be full of people declaiming ludicrous technical terms and space terminology at each other. 556 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:35.699 Yeah. 557 00:36:36.179 --> 00:36:38.340 There's one last thing. 558 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:40.980 Tegan leaves. 559 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.400 I was heartbroken when this happened as a kid. 560 00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:46.500 Take a drink to your listeners. 561 00:36:47.219 --> 00:37:00.059 I actually didn't tune in to Arc of Infinity episode one because I was so cross at Pete leaving Tegan behind because clearly she decides that she wants to stay. 562 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.239 You know, they finally get her to Heathrow Airport. 563 00:37:03.420 --> 00:37:04.800 She's wandering through the airport. 564 00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:08.039 She's clearly thinking that she doesn't belong here and she wants to go with the doctor. 565 00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:12.780 She has been willingly travelling with the doctor since Black Orchid. 566 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:20.519 You know, it's kind of funny that he accidentally turns up at Heathrow Airport when he's been trying to get her home there for weeks and weeks. 567 00:37:20.579 --> 00:37:28.320 It's a nice scene, you know, she has a bit of interiority, that sort of thing, and she's really crushed when he leaves her behind. 568 00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:34.199 After losing Andric last week and now he's lost Tegan, and I was, that was it, I was out the door. 569 00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:35.760 Yeah, yeah. 570 00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:37.980 Janet plays it really well. 571 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:47.099 You see, it's difficult because I have never seen Time Flight without the awareness that she's coming back next week, as it were. 572 00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:48.119 Yeah, yeah. 573 00:37:48.179 --> 00:37:49.440 No, you see, we didn't have. 574 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:50.039 No, no. 575 00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:51.659 So you were genuinely convinced. 576 00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.639 I thought that was it, that she was gone on. 577 00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:54.480 Right, I did too. 578 00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:55.500 Oh, okay, wow. 579 00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:55.920 All right. 580 00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:56.639 Yeah. 581 00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:57.659 Okay. 582 00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.300 So, I mean, it serves its purpose in that way then. 583 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:10.860 I also thought I was probably developing an unhealthy obsession with the program that might one day lead to participating in a multi-year podcast project of it. 584 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.260 I really wanted to nip that in the bar. 585 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.000 Yeah, it has been a very long time. 586 00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:17.039 That's just time flown. 587 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:19.260 Sometimes it doesn't. 588 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.579 What kind of sad person would you have to be to come up with this podcast idea? 589 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:24.780 What even is that? 590 00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:25.860 This is 1982. 591 00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.219 There's no podcast yet, and I haven't been born. 592 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.059 Oh, leave him behind. 593 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:33.900 Close the door. 594 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.480 The only one who looks happy in that final scene is Pete and Sarah. 595 00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:47.159 I think, woo, finally we can go off and do all those terrific big finish audios together in our whole season. kind of primeval. 596 00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:48.239 Actually, it's not a bad story. 597 00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:49.860 Spare parts. 598 00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:50.760 Circular time? 599 00:38:50.820 --> 00:38:52.019 There you go. 600 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:53.579 So maybe Janet wasn't a bad thing. 601 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:54.420 You enjoy yourself. 602 00:38:54.480 --> 00:39:20.579 Go and get yourself into a nice white bodicey courtesy type of air and get your air cut. maybe we'll see you next year So it's the end of the season, so it's time for our picks of the week and we were just talking a few seconds ago about the big finish audios because initially Janet Fielding opted not to come back for about the 1st 12 years of their production and but has now come back. 603 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:27.840 So a lot of the Peter Davidson stories were with Sarah Sutton is Nissa, and they greatly expanded her character, gave her a lot of great stuff to do. 604 00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:30.719 And there's all sorts of really good stories. 605 00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:35.519 But the one I'm going to recommend is creatures of beauty. 606 00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:37.980 Ooh, I was thinking circular time. 607 00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:38.519 This is interesting. 608 00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:41.039 Circular time is excellent as well. 609 00:39:41.099 --> 00:39:48.539 I mean, there's so many good ones, but I'm going to recommend Creatures of Beauty because it's a play that surprised me as to what it was about. 610 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:54.599 It's told in a nonlinear fashion and it's about an environmental disaster. 611 00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:56.699 And that's really all I can say without spoiling it. 612 00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:01.739 But it's Peter Davidson and Sarah Sutton. as the doctor and Nissa. 613 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.260 But it's one of big finishes early ones. 614 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:11.099 It was released in 2003, which now means that for Australian listeners, you can buy it as a download for $3. 615 00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:12.539 Oh wow. 616 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.239 It's a full 100 minute, four-part story. 617 00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:17.099 You can no longer get it on CD. 618 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:18.300 You can only get it on download. 619 00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:24.059 So I suspect if it's 3 Australian dollars, it's probably 3 American dollars and 3 British pounds, because that's how they tend to do the pricing. 620 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:25.199 But yeah, that's my recommendation. 621 00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:25.980 Creatures of beauty. 622 00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:27.179 That's fantastic. 623 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:28.800 Well, I have two. 624 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:39.780 We got tweeted during the week by Johnny Spandrel and he has a blog called Randomhooness.com and it's really, really terrifically funny. 625 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.800 He just goes, he doesn't fly through in entirety, you know, the sort of linear way. 626 00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:45.239 He does it at random. 627 00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:46.380 He posts once a week. 628 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.420 He's been doing it reliably for some time. 629 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.460 It's really funny and really clever. 630 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:55.619 I can really recommend it My other pick is for fans of non-Euclidean geometry. 631 00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:57.059 There's always one. 632 00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.380 So Castro Valba was inspired by the works of MC Esher. 633 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:02.760 And there's a game. 634 00:41:02.820 --> 00:41:06.239 I think it may be available on Android, but I don't care. 635 00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:20.820 It's certainly available on the iPad, and it's called Monument Valley, and it's utterly beautiful, a puzzler game with all sorts of weird sort of isometric geometry, and beautiful music and affecting visuals, and, you know, it's really fun. 636 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.199 So I recommend that too. 637 00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:38.639 I was going to go the path of Brendan because that's often how we lay our tracks in these stories, but I would say if you want to see it as, you know, as I expected this season to be as a kid, Chin Chin. 638 00:41:38.699 --> 00:41:52.920 And also now I'd go back to reading the Edith Nesbitt or Enesbitt books, the most famous being the railway children, but there's also 5 children and it, the Phoenix and the Carpet, both starring Bond Girl and fan of the podcast, Gary Russell. 639 00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:56.940 And yeah, back in the day, but they're just really lovely books. 640 00:41:56.940 --> 00:42:06.780 And I get the feeling that there were several directions they were going to take Peter's era as the doctor and the costume and even the casting of the characters around him. 641 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.119 And you get little flavours of it early on. 642 00:42:09.179 --> 00:42:11.699 You certainly get it in Castrovolver and Black Orchard. 643 00:42:11.699 --> 00:42:13.500 And actually, in all the in all the early stories. 644 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:18.960 So yeah, I would go back and read anything of Venus, but I'd start with, and the would be goods is lovely. 645 00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:21.420 They are still around in print, they're certainly downloadable for nothing. 646 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:38.340 But the sense of that Edwardian children's drama that's written for pretty much anyone, a young disposition, or anyone who believes that there is an eternal Indian summer out there somewhere, and that there is always hope, even when awful things happen around you, which is generally what our books are about. 647 00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:41.340 There was a sense of great hope. 648 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:50.400 He was the Obama all the time, of heat, and much like the soon to be over presidential candidacy, the last, what, 8, 2 terms. 649 00:42:50.460 --> 00:42:58.500 Maybe what we get as delivered is not quite what was expected or hoped for. 650 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.619 So Jenny Laird awards for puzzling creative choices. 651 00:43:05.940 --> 00:43:11.880 I've already referred to this episode, but it becomes an increasing problem over Pete's tenure. 652 00:43:11.940 --> 00:43:15.900 Each year of Pete's tenure. 653 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:21.119 The penultimate story is considered great and sublime and held up as an example. 654 00:43:21.179 --> 00:43:24.539 So earth shock enlightenment, the caves of Andrazani. 655 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:32.159 And even if one doesn't appreciate them personally, one can usually look at them and go, look, you know, I don't enjoy this. 656 00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:41.039 Like, I've said before, I'm not a huge fan of K's of Andresani, but I'm able to look at it and go, this is an amazing piece of television and really well made, and I can see why people like it. 657 00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:49.019 And it's then followed by a season finale, which is at best lacklustre and at worst awful. 658 00:43:50.099 --> 00:43:52.019 Time flight. 659 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:53.820 The King's Demons. 660 00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:55.380 The twin dilemma. 661 00:43:55.679 --> 00:44:13.079 My puzzling creative choice is, why is this so horribly mismanaged, not just once, but for 3 years, and for at least 2 stories, dealing with the fallout of a death of a character, dealing with a fallout of Adrick and dealing with the death of the 5th doctor. 662 00:44:13.139 --> 00:44:43.079 Why are 2 of those so horribly handled and in, given to, in this case, a new writer and a new director, and in the case of doing dilemma, a brand new writer who, when we get there, we'll discuss, had horrible, horrible problems with his script, I just don't understand that rationale, and, you know, the King's Demons, they get bloody Terence Dudley back again for reasons completely beyond me. 663 00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:44.460 So that's the thing. 664 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.739 I am not so much picking up a specific fault. 665 00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:48.659 I'm saying why does this keep happening? 666 00:44:49.139 --> 00:44:51.420 Is it Eric Saywood? 667 00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.960 I want to blame Eric, so It's never just one thing. 668 00:44:55.019 --> 00:45:07.260 No, I guess my puzzling creative choice is something that I talked about in the Castro Valver episode where I just don't think enough thought is being given to who the doctor should be. 669 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.199 And he's introduced in such a kind of lacklustre away. 670 00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:11.940 He spends so much time in a cupboard. 671 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:23.519 And I think they've decided that they're going to react against Tom's doctor rather than building up an interesting character who could have been sort of central to the show from the beginning. 672 00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:25.139 And they're going keep doing this. 673 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:34.559 And so while Tom is compelling, they go for somewhere off the edge of the screen with Pete, who isn't a bad actor, but the character is just not that interesting. 674 00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:40.139 Yeah, rather than defining a presence. they're defining an absence Yeah, and I think you'll get it right. 675 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:44.280 I haven't looked ahead because, you know, Arc of Infinity, obviously. 676 00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:56.460 But my memory is that he does a good job in season 21 and there are glimpses of good moments, but he shouldn't just be left to define the character through his performance. 677 00:45:56.519 --> 00:46:07.679 Some thought needed to be given to why we care about this man and his collection of bit players from previous stories that seem to have been assembled more or less at random. 678 00:46:07.739 --> 00:46:09.960 We just watching the show out of habit now. 679 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:11.880 Exactly. 680 00:46:11.940 --> 00:46:26.639 My puzzle and creative choice is almost along the same lines, and I'm just asking, why do we not have a script header to appointed who actually likes stories other than his own, or has something to say, or has some generosity or some sense of play or fun? 681 00:46:26.699 --> 00:46:28.559 Even bid meat had his own sense of fun. 682 00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:30.119 It was just science-y. 683 00:46:30.179 --> 00:46:31.980 But, you know, he was passionate. 684 00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:33.659 I'm not getting a lot of passion here. 685 00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:34.559 No. 686 00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:37.980 And Bidmead in particular loved working with new writers. 687 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:44.099 Like, you know, he said he really enjoyed working with Flanagan and McCulloch and kind of working with them to work the story into shape. 688 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:48.780 Whereas you look at Eric Zayward talking about, oh, there's these writers who don't understand Doctor Who. 689 00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.619 Eric, there, unaware. of what colour his kettle is, I think. 690 00:46:53.940 --> 00:46:58.619 But yeah, well, bit meat is, you know, by and larger fanboy. 691 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:07.800 It still is. his youth and his enthusiasm from, whereas I think they would always, well, embittered is possibly a harsh term, but. 692 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:13.199 Well, I mean, it's telling that when Bob Holmes comes back, say it chums up with him, do you know what I mean? 693 00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:18.420 And like he doesn't have homes as talent, but he does seem to have his cynicism. 694 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.840 Yeah, and what a conflagration that is. 695 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:45.840 Well, dear, listen, I'm afraid that's all the time we have in season 19. 696 00:47:46.019 --> 00:47:48.840 I'm not afraid that that's all the time we have a time flight. 697 00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:56.699 We'll be back next week with season 20, where Tob will join us to travel from Arc of Infinity, right through to the King's Demons. 698 00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:05.639 We will then be taking on the 5 doctors with what else but a commentary with all 4 of us and lots of alcohol. 699 00:48:05.699 --> 00:48:10.440 Also, you can visit our Facebook page where each of us have nominated a 1st doctor story. 700 00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:13.260 We'd love to do a commentary on and you can vote for it there. 701 00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:18.780 Until then, you can find us online at our new website, flightthroughentirety.sexy. 702 00:48:18.780 --> 00:48:24.239 Flight Through Entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter over on Bondfinger. 703 00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:28.800 We're still enjoying maybe the Roger Moore era of James Bond. 704 00:48:28.860 --> 00:48:38.760 That's Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on Facebook and iTunes and Bondfinger cast on Twitter, and Doctor Who in 10 seconds has some idiot talking very quickly. 705 00:48:38.820 --> 00:48:39.360 I don't know. 706 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:44.940 Until next week May none of your Zentai suited men escape from their sarcophagus. 707 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.440 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 708 00:48:46.500 --> 00:48:47.340 Good night. 709 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:48.059 Good night. 710 00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:55.980 That was Flight for Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone, theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb. 711 00:48:56.039 --> 00:49:00.780 This episode, Smiling Plasmaton emoji, was recorded on the 10th of June 2016. 712 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:04.320 The next episode will be released on the 31st of July. 713 00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:17.400 Online chat enthusiasts can find the smiling plasmaton emoji, the grumpy pteroreptil, and the extremely horny mara, in the flight through entirety custom keyboard for sale at all good app stores everywhere. 714 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.139 Interesting Jungian archetypes here. 715 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:27.599 We're going back to the Christopher Priest enemy with anything, but, you know, the good and the evil, I know... 716 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:34.800 It's sort of fat, middle aged man in sort of hen tie suit, you know, they're going back 140 minutes. not the word. 717 00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:35.639 Zen Thai? 718 00:49:35.699 --> 00:49:36.719 Zentai, that's it. 719 00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:37.619 It's a Zentai. 720 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:44.699 Yeah, dear listener, if you're going to Google one of those words, Google Zendai, don't, well, at least not on our back. 721 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:45.900 Don't Google Hentai. 722 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:46.739 You're welcome to. 723 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:52.800 This is a safe space, not judging out loud, but yeah, maybe don't Google Hentai. 724 00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:54.360 I'm cutting all this out. 725 00:49:54.420 --> 00:49:57.420 I'm more concerned that we end up on the set of direct.