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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast you entirely understand, a teacher having a nervous breakdown.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan And I'm Todd.

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And uh, we're back to school now for Modron Undead.

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So, Peter Grimwade apparently begged and pleaded with the script editor, Eric Saywood, to have a second chance after last year's time flight.

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Well, I'm glad he did get a second chance because this is so much better than that.

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Oh, yes.

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And of course, the wonderful director assigned to direct this is the ever talented Mr. Peter Moffat, who would just get better and better as the series continues.

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So I think in spite of a few people's names, I think there's actually, I quite like this.

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I would like to remove any suspense for our long-term listeners now who may recall that for ever since stated decay.

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I've been saying Peter Moffat is very good up until a point where he kind of retires from directing mid-story.

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It's this one.

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And I would like to cite the exact scene where I think he retires from directing.

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I believe it's episode 3 where the 2 brigadiers are wandering around the ship, and one wanders down a corridor towards the camera, and the other one wanders through the back of shot, and I think Peter Moffatt has just gone, oh, you know what?

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I just can't be bothered anymore, and it's just shot complete proscenium arch.

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You know, we've got this beautiful set.

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And until now, he, you know, he's been shooting at sort of not right angles, he's been shooting at odd angles and shooting into corners and that sort of thing.

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Not this 2 brigadier stuff.

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Screw this.

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I'm just pointing the cameras and off we go.

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And after this, his direction becomes a lot more stolid.

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So mystery over.

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My George has hit the floor.

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Like, I mean, I never expected it was this story.

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I didn't, for some reason, I thought it might have been Sarah Jane going down a small hill, somebody tripping over.

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Well, you see that's the same story.

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He never comes back to his former glory after this moment.

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He used to be quite good at stuff on location in particular, and he directed it quite a bit of survivors, which was shot on obi video and was kind of stylish.

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The location stuff here is lovely and we've got that beautiful tracking shot at the beginning with the school in the distance, back up to the obelisk, so you know it becomes important later on.

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The location stuff is absolutely beautiful, which, you know, given that it's typical Doctor Who weather in that it's completely cloudy outside in both time periods is a challenge.

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But no, I've got no problem with the location stuff.

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I love the location stuff here.

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That big corridor, the green corridor coming back up to the school, which actually looks like it would take a good 25 minutes to get up there.

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And it really opens up this story.

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I find the last 2 episodes set in these sterile corridors does my heading after the last 2 weeks where I've had corridors.

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I mean, it looks beautiful.

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It is so beautiful.

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It's so deco.

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Those corridors just look and they're so detailed and incredibly beautiful.

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I think it's a great bit of set design.

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I'm not tonight, but I just does my head in.

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I'm just there going, get me out of these corridors.

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Just get me out of here, please.

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I think episode 3 is a particularly bad example of it, which is just people wandering through corridors for 25 minutes.

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But let's jump back to the beginning of this story.

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And we're on location.

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We've got young men in shorts, running.

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Actually, I think they do really...

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Actually, I think they do quite well with the casting of the young guys at this college to try and make them appear almost as old as Mark Stritson.

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They Because I think he does look older.

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He's about 22 at this point, I think.

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And his star was rising, of course.

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He's just been on, I think it was Angels, which was the big kind of casualty or doctors of its day, like the big sort of hospital drama.

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And he had a choice.

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He had a choice between going regular on that because he was a supporting cast member and the young male lead, had had to leave the show.

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I think it I think it was some kind of personal problem.

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I can't remember exactly what it was.

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And so angels offered him full time, but they're like, oh, you know, we won't be able to get you to sign a contract for a few months, but you'll, you know, you'll be working full time.

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Whereas, yeah, he or had also heard Doctor Who were looking for a new lead actor, and he apparently actually went in to see JNT, because, you know, BBC TV sent, he just kind of knocked on the door and he said, I hear you're looking for a new lead.

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I do have this offer over Angels, but I think this might be more interesting if I could read for you.

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And apparently JNT was very impressed by his forthrightness.

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You know, it didn't, I don't think, went through the usual channel of an agent calling.

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It was just, look, I'm here.

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I've heard it's on offer.

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I'm going to put myself forward because it sounds like a more interesting job and they're offering me this other job.

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I'm not really enjoying it as much.

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What do you think?

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So yeah, that's how Mark Strickson came to be.

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Thank goodness, because we've now got the strongest Doctor Who cast to the 1980s as far as I'm concerned.

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These 4 regulars are the strongest, not to say that they're going to get the material that will live up to that benchmark at all at the one time, but I think they're the strongest cars to the 80s.

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Do you know, I think that Sarah Sutton is really, really terrific, but I'm going to be happier when she leaves just because now we just have 3 leads and they can manage it and we're not going to be constantly exasperated by the sidelining of NISA.

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Yeah.

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And something I realised we didn't mention last week.

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And I'm sure someone on Twitter has picked us up for this.

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We didn't mention Mrs. New Frock last week.

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Her sort of fantails rapper, candy floss.

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Oh, Todd, Todd...

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Todd mentioned it.

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He wasn't a fan.

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But she's got a new outfit this week.

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Yes, much better.

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Matching Eyeshadow as well.

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Yes.

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It's a much better outfit this week Last week thing looked like she was in an Anne Getty's postcard.

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You know how they will have bows on their heads and that sort of thing, but it was just the biggest bow ever.

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Do you remember the Virgin Missing Adventures when they were 1st released in the 1990s?

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The very 1st one was called Goth Opera by Paul Cornell, and it had a picture of Nissa in that outfit, but she turned into a vampire and she had like blood.

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She'd vomited blood all over the outfit and it was so horrific.

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I think W.H.

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Smith said that they wouldn't carry it in their store.

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And so all of those blue stripes and stuff had to be kind of wiped off it along with the bloodstains.

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Yeah, it became a white blouse with just a couple of droplets on there.

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Yeah.

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But it's basically that outfit from last time.

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This one's a lot better.

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Oh yeah, it is a much better outfit for Sarah Sutton as an actor.

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And it is a much better, I think, character choice for Nissa.

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Maybe last week it was meant to be a kind of joke if she comes from this repressed society and her 1st attempt to...

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You've stolen my notes. stolen my notes, but continue.

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You know, her 1st attempt to dress more interestingly, puts her in this absolutely horrid frock.

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And the weird thing was, like, that was the new costume for her, and it was made and everything.

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And then all of a sudden in modern undead.

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She appears in this other thing instead after it's only been in there for one story.

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But there was a big press call in Amsterdam and they brought that new party frock, if you like, over.

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I think it was kind of used in the studio and they went, oh dear God, what have we done?

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Get this.

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And you don't often put these 2 words together, but get this nice gray mini dress.

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You know, the idea of something that is nice and gray, go, gray, that's not very interesting.

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But the gray with the yellow trim.

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It looks great.

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And there is something scientific and clinical about it.

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It's kind of like a lab tunic.

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But you wanted to be a bit aristocratic as well, and I think it pulls that off too.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's strange how it's such a simple outfit, but it's so effective.

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So Doctor Who Frock cast will be back next week.

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Nissa, in this story, I do think it's sidelined.

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Obviously, we've got a new... so unusual.

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I said that like, it was like...

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Well, unusual.

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But okay.

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Yes, again.

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You know?

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Teging is the one that gets to explore the world of 1977.

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We've got the new companion coming in and she just gets left in the Tartars at crucial times.

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She's a perfectly reasonable character, but, as you said, we're happier once there's 2 companions.

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And she's hearing this story, but again, you know, she's sidelined.

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She gets one really great moment in this story.

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It's otherwise a bit of a silly scene where, you know, the doctor and Turlo go off to repair the trans mat and Tegan and Nissa have to wait in the TARDIS and they go and get chairs.

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It just looks kind of silly.

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It's like they've gone.

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It's been a very long day.

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Get us some chairs.

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But the bit I love in that is when Tegan's saying, I don't trust Turlow.

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Why has he just stepped into this transmat caps?

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you'll No one does that, and Nissa just says, the way you did into the Tartis on the Barnet bypass.

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And it's just like, ooh.

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That was great.

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It's a great line.

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Really is.

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It's a great line, and it's so, like, Sarah just delivers it so well in that, you know, it's not a total horrible mean girls, you can't sit with a slide.

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But at the same time, it's like, oh, Tegan, come off it.

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Okay, yeah, no one's stupid enough to step into a strange object.

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Oh, yeah, you just walk into this glistening white control room and go, my name's Tegan Chevanka.

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Yeah whatever.

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How many times can we mention that on the podcast?

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Let's see.

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So, of course, Cello's front and centre right from the beginning with the car that he borrows.

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I mean, get that wonderful music.

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That's ridiculous.

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When I ride my bike to work, I have that music going in my head sometimes.

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And then he crashes off camera so that we don't have to pay for it.

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And then there's an awful, awful visual effect.

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It's like the BBC micro, isn't it?

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doing a sort of crappy screensaver of some kind.

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And one of this week's 20th anniversary returning elements of the show appears.

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A vulture with a bird on his head.

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Look, if you've got the chance to cast Valentine dial as a villain, then go ahead.

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I mean, he is terrifically good.

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He is great.

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And there was a sense I felt at the time that the Black Guardian thing had been thrown away, you know, the way the doctor dealt with the Black Guardian was the randomiser, which he then just got bored with and stopped using.

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So it was sort of a hanging thread.

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But the Black Guardian wasn't a very successful element of the key to time series.

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Nathan, how many minutes did he actually appear in the key to time?

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That's right, for like 3 or something at the end of episode 6 of whatever the hell that story was called.

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So did the new audience even know who he is?

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Yeah.

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Well, the thing is, unlike Omega earlier on, they actually reestablish the Black Guardian's character here and who he is and what he wants.

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Exactly, you know.

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So it's a bit more of a successful return than Omega.

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I'd like to take this opportunity with that crappy vortex effect. to talk about, just briefly, the DVD edition of this story, which, much like Terminus and Enlightenment, has updated computer generated effects on which a friend of the podcast, Aaron J.

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Climus, was a rotoscoper.

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Oh, yep, Aaron's job.

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So, for instance, on that swirly background, et cetera, et cetera. was to frame by frame, draw an outline around the Black Guardian and Turlow, so the background could be replaced.

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Is it a better background?

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It's slightly better.

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It's slightly better.

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So it uses the same colour scheme, but it's more sort of cloudy and vortex.

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And also Turlow appears with an actual effect rather than just to fade in.

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But I remember Aaron saying at the time, Yeah, you think 2 people just standing looking at a camera don't move very much.

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They move a lot, and one of them has a bird on his head.

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I mean, what is that?

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What is with that?

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The decisions.

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Just stupid.

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Yeah, that's a stupid costume.

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Look, the rest of the costume's okay, but the bird on his head is really ridiculous.

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And the only person with a bird on their head who looks more ridiculous than Valentine Dial is Cyril Luckam when he turns up in Enlightenment with that seagull head poking out of his wig.

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And he was so great in the Remos operation.

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I mean, he was so terrific because he was like, um, horrible colonial guy, you know, sitting at an unconvincing plantation somewhere drinking a drink and not really caring about anything and being slightly morally ambiguous.

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The fun thing about the guardians was, you know, they were responsible for the technology that included Princess Astra as a component.

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They weren't, it's not the unambiguously good guy and the unambiguously bad guy despite their names.

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And that's lampshaded at the end of the Armageddon fact, you know, what if it's, what if I was colourblind?

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What if the Black Guardian was really the White Guardian?

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Here, they're a stupid idea.

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But fortunately, Valentine Dial's given the job of kind of tempting and seducing Turlough.

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So he has a fun thing to do, and he does it terrifically well in this story.

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Yeah, yeah.

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This is all I'm up to.

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I've never seen a Doctor Who story after this.

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Spoiler alert, people.

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It's gonna play out and it's gonna get tired very, very quickly. let's just focus on how good this is for now Because we're not going to be able to do that next week.

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But, you know, it's, you know, it's obviously submachinery quickly that, you know, Turlo has got a mission to kill the doctor.

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So it's gonna keep us, well, entertained for 4 episodes, possibly.

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And is it established this early that he's not from Earth?

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Yeah, yeah.

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He says he hates her.

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That's a little bit confusing, I think.

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I think there's something about his look too, that reinforces that.

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They gel his eyebrows.

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Yeah, the eyebrows.

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They sort of spike them up.

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So we've got the Black Guardian.

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We've got cello who could be not from earth at this and we do cut back to the car crash and there's an old recurring friend investigating his car and then, of course, is Nick Courtney as the brigadier.

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Hooray.

216
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Oh, I just get this wonderful sense of joy and anticipation like I did with Arc of Infinity, you know, every time, like, you know, Leila's mentioned or something like that.

217
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And here it's the brigadier and it's like, yes.

218
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Yeah.

219
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Except he's really obnoxious. horrible.

220
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No, you see, I like that because we find out later that he's lost his memory of the doctor.

221
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Oh, yeah.

222
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I think there's a definite arc and the idea is the brigadier has forgotten who he was and has forgotten what he was like as the brigadier, but this is about recovering that and he's back to our old friend, the brigadier.

223
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And he gradually 83 brigadier.

224
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Gradually gets better and better.

225
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But for instance, he body shames Ibbots and, you know, says how physically disgusting Ibotsson is, which is terribly unfair because I think he's rather sweet.

226
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Yeah, yeah.

227
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He asks the headmaster whether he's thrashed Turlow.

228
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You know, like he's awful.

229
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See, I think the implication is because he's forgotten the doctor, you know, he remembers his army service.

230
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He remembers unit, but he's forgotten the doctor.

231
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The doctor made him a better person because the doctor made him a more open minded person.

232
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In fact, in fact, the brigadier was...

233
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I mean, Colonel Lethbridge Stewart was unpleasant and sometimes a panicky idiot, wasn't he?

234
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

235
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And, you know, then from the invasion in season seven, he's still quite stolid and then season 890 loosens up a bit and by Planet of the Spiders, he's making jokes about ASP.

236
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Yeah, he's a swinger.

237
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It's not always super effective.

238
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Like, you know, we get bloody kernel blimp in the 3 doctors, but I think that's a subtle script point which works.

239
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And to be honest, I think it may have come from Nicholas Courtney, because of course he thought a great deal about the brigadier character, because they kept asking him back.

240
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And I think Nicholas Courtney would have gone, well, hold on.

241
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If the brig doesn't remember the doctor, he's going to be exactly like he was 20 years ago.

242
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That's a really good point. really thought about that.

243
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Like as I was watching this and it's going, oh, he's a bit too harsh and I don't like it and that sort of thing.

244
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And the fact that, you know, he has this memory block.

245
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I think, look, I think you both made a really good point there.

246
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But I just don't think it's maybe it's a bit too subtle for me.

247
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I don't know.

248
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The problem I have with all of this is the fact that Obviously, we've discussed the whole timeline continuity thing previously, and I'm fine with the fact that it's 77 and 83.

249
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I don't have a problem with that.

250
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But it's 6 years of not talking to anybody related to unit.

251
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I've tried to justify that in mind.

252
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I thought maybe the Black Guardian is interfering there, but then he wants to keep the 2 brigadiers apart later on.

253
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So maybe it's the White Guardians, you know, I don't buy it.

254
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Do either of you have a thought on that, Brendan?

255
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It is strange because he talks about what Harry and Benton are up to.

256
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So clearly he's had some kind of contact with them.

257
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I think he said he, you know, he hasn't known from Benton since 1979, but that's still after the initial shock.

258
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Maybe it is literally he has to see the doctor because even when he sees the doctor at first.

259
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There's nothing until the doctor really starts putting in a assault on.

260
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Like, oh, you know, what about my companions?

261
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What about such and such?

262
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What about the yeti?

263
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What about blah, blah, blah?

264
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So you could almost accept that Harry and Benton don't call the brigadier and say, hey, remember those Zygons, but it is, it is a bit of a strange emphasis.

265
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But they're not going to do that, you know?

266
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They would be talking. it would be much more casual.

267
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Like, have you seen the doctor or something like that?

268
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Like, you know, I just...

269
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Yeah, he can't even remember the doctor or the Tartars.

270
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It just does not sit well with me.

271
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It doesn't stop my enjoyment and story, but it's just a niggling thing that just annoys me.

272
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It's like, it's like when you have old school friends or uni friends and then you see them every 6 months and then it becomes every 12 months.

273
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And then it's, I haven't called them, should I call them or not sort of scenarios?

274
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So it sort of just gets further and further away.

275
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It had never actually occurred to me to wonder, do you know what I mean?

276
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And I guess because there's kind of a lack of realism about the whole situation anyway, that that sort of inconsistency didn't really present itself to me.

277
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So I wasn't wondering, you know, is he still socialising with these people or whatever, how does that work?

278
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But I get your point.

279
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It does seem strange once you kind of push against it.

280
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What do you think of the montage where Pete wanders around reminding him of his past adventures and then we cut to the stuff in black and white.

281
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For a fan?

282
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That's fantastic.

283
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They name check everything that you'd want them to check like all these old companions.

284
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I was literally doing a ticket box list because I thought, oh, they're going to forget Liz or, you know, but they don't.

285
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And so for me, that's a spidey, spidey sense tingling thing again.

286
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And the clips are great.

287
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There's one thing I don't like, and that's the mini strokes he has as he's sitting in the chair just before he says doctor.

288
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I just think that's so.

289
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I don't think he plays distressed very well.

290
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I mean, he's never really been distressed as the brigadier since Web of Fear.

291
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He was always, you know, defined by being sort of stolid and unflappable and stuff.

292
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So to see, like, I don't think Nick really nails the acting there either.

293
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But I think if you had a better director might be able to get more.

294
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But I like those flashbacks and I was surprised because, you know, the cybermen flashbacks where they just got out there, BBC videotapes and showed the greatest cyber hits.

295
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You know, that was stupid.

296
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This at least kind of works in context.

297
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And at this point, you're not aware that he's going to do it again next year for like our annual crappy flashback clip collection.

298
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But I like the music a lot and I think, you know, he kind of deserves it a bit.

299
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It's a 20th anniversary.

300
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Yeah, and I think that's great.

301
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Originally this script, they considered having in Chesterton, is that correct?

302
00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:49.559
Yeah, it was written for Ian and William Russell was unavailable doing theatre, I think.

303
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They then approached Ian Marta to reprise Harry and then and in Marta wasn't available.

304
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And then they went, well, hold on, if we're going back to the unit days, let's ask Nick.

305
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But the fact that he's the 3rd choice concerns me.

306
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It concerns me in this fact, and this is back to sort of the arc infinity thing we were talking about a few weeks ago, is that if you hadn't appeared here, in the 5 doctors, his relationship with Tegan and the doctor is a lovely, lovely moment.

307
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And if you look at Sarah's relationship with the 5th doctor, it's just like, well, who's this?

308
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There's nothing.

309
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Whereas the fact that he's in here, adds to that later on.

310
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It's one of these things that I was talking back in season 18 about these happy accidents that John Nathan Turner has in terms of scripting where it works out in the end and it's going to start not working out in the end in 18 months time with various decisions that are made.

311
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But it's a fluke.

312
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

313
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A particularly lovely moment for me in that scene is the matchup they do of the brig looking around the 3 doctors console room and then you fade back to him in the chair and it's the same expression.

314
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It's the same position.

315
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You know, well done, Peter Moffatt there and the vision mixer forgetting that right.

316
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But 10 years later, you see him 10 years old.

317
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Yeah.

318
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Yeah, yeah.

319
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That is when to me, his character comes back and he's not this blustery, you know, did you give him a thrashing?

320
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Like his face just relaxes in his turn, says, oh, talk to you, I've done it again.

321
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And to be honest, I don't even think that reaction would have worked with William Russell.

322
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You have to have someone who has always been that unflappable.

323
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It might have worked with Ian Marta because like Ian Marta's reaction to Kelman being exploded and crushed by rocks is, oh, I'm terrible with names.

324
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Sorry.

325
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You know, that's the thing.

326
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It works with Nick because Nick's whole character is just, oh, that's a giant blanc mange with a ray gun.

327
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Oh, I should shoot that with a rifle, I think.

328
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.960
I think he does a great performance as both brigadiers.

329
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Yeah, yeah.

330
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And they make him look very convincing as the younger one.

331
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Yeah.

332
00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:55.680
In fact, he's actually maybe looking a bit too much younger.

333
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Do you know what I mean?

334
00:23:56.819 --> 00:23:58.740
They really go all out on the hair dye, I think.

335
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:04.019
I also think the decision to have him not have his moustache is a great one.

336
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:04.799
That's great.

337
00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:07.140
It does age him very differently.

338
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It's a great contrast.

339
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.420
And look, besides that one moment, sitting in the chair that I don't like.

340
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:16.440
I think Nick does a great performance in this, and it's really lovely to have him back in the show for this story.

341
00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:32.759
Do you think if they'd had Ian Chesterton back, right, and he was teaching at this school, would we have had to have some just horrific, horrific line explaining why he wasn't married to Barbara anymore that would have upset me enormously?

342
00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:34.079
You know what?

343
00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:38.160
I would hope that they would just do a line of, oh, you know, she's visiting her mother.

344
00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:38.940
Yeah.

345
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She's visiting about. not going to believe you're here.

346
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:48.720
As opposed to making Sergeant Benton a used car salesman, which I never felt that was where the character would go.

347
00:24:48.779 --> 00:24:49.500
Yeah, yeah.

348
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:50.579
And it was a very nice moment.

349
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:57.660
Oh, you know, Harry's doing something top secret at Port and Downs, which Ian Marty then took as a cue to write a whole novel about in Harry Sullivan's war.

350
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.740
Is that the one where he develops an anti-Zygon poison?

351
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:02.759
Yeah, I think.

352
00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:04.980
Oh, well, yeah, that happened in the new series.

353
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:06.900
Oh, of course that's in the Zion Invasion.

354
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:11.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. been developed by Harry. which, you know, seems a bit odd, but...

355
00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:13.380
He would never develop anything genocidal.

356
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He's a sweetie.

357
00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:20.700
Something I've heard said about this story, and I can't quote who it was because I think it was on a forum somewhere.

358
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So if this is your idea and you're listening, thank you very much.

359
00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:37.259
The whole thing with, you know, the brigadier, now being a teacher and having had his breakdown and benton offselling used cars, it's like there's a pattern in this season of the end of dreams.

360
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Omega fails to come back and the Mara, who's a dream creature is killed and the brigadier, who, you know, was reliable and unflappable, has had this mental shock.

361
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.079
And it's kind of like, you know what?

362
00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:54.539
Yeah, that's really interesting dramatically.

363
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Is that the theme you want running through your celebratory 20th year is the question.

364
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:02.759
I don't think they thought that much about it.

365
00:26:02.819 --> 00:26:05.579
I think it's just an accident of the story writing.

366
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.039
I don't think anybody sat down and said this is what we're going to do at all.

367
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:16.920
The theme of the celebratory year is how important it is to the quality of a television program to have an imaginative, competent script editor.

368
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More on that later kids.

369
00:26:20.220 --> 00:26:24.119
Yeah, yeah, they were still they were still assembling the committee to write that report.

370
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:29.819
Okay, so we're in this school and we get to see the headmaster and the matron and hippo.

371
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:34.980
The headmaster is, of course, the original Barusa from the Deadly Assassin.

372
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:35.759
No.

373
00:26:35.819 --> 00:26:37.319
Yes, it's John Arthur.

374
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:38.099
Oh my goodness.

375
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.579
And the matron is the voice of the quarks.

376
00:26:42.059 --> 00:26:43.920
Sheila Gill.

377
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:45.299
She's shockingly bad.

378
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.279
I'm like, watch you to get back into a band.

379
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:56.220
But the headmaster, like, you know, that conversation with Turlo when he's in the bed, like, and it's really the black guard.

380
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:57.240
And I love that conversation.

381
00:26:57.539 --> 00:27:04.619
I just like the way it sort of turns, you think, why is Turner having a conversation about this with the head, oh?

382
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:05.640
Hey, yeah, yeah.

383
00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:07.680
That's a really good use of the Black Guardian.

384
00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:09.779
It tells you the Black Guardian can be anyone.

385
00:27:10.019 --> 00:27:14.220
I think Turlo is instantly pretty good as well.

386
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:24.180
We've talked a little bit about his look, but his performance is really great and he's not afraid of kind of going over the top as well, as we'll see, you know, next year, obviously.

387
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:33.119
But even here when he's sort of selling the sort of distress, the not wanting to be under the Black Guardians thrall, you know, his frustration and stuff and fear.

388
00:27:33.180 --> 00:27:35.099
He does a really great job.

389
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:49.200
But he also does a great job when he's 1st introduced as being that sort of languid, arrogant, posh, dismissive, duplicitous, sort of that scene where he tells hippo that he took the fall.

390
00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:52.200
He's wonderful.

391
00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:53.460
He's so horrible.

392
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:59.400
And so it's kind of nice to have someone who is unscrupulous and selfish.

393
00:27:59.460 --> 00:28:00.839
And yet likeable.

394
00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:03.480
Yeah, you know, you like him.

395
00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:17.880
And for me anyway, they're trying to repair the damage of season 19 of having 3 characters who, through no fault of the actors, were just kind of played as a bit wet, you know, and even when they had disagreements.

396
00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:19.619
It's like, oh, no, you're only a girl.

397
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.180
Oh, am I only a girl?

398
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.339
Well, I can do science things.

399
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:24.660
Yeah, well, I can do so.

400
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.640
It's like, oh, who the hell cares?

401
00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:32.039
Whereas here, you know, you don't get Tegan saying to Turlo, I don't believe you.

402
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:33.480
You get it in acting.

403
00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:41.279
You know, she's standing off to the side and just she's got her arms folded and she's looking down her nose and that's an achievement when you're doing it to someone taller than you.

404
00:28:41.339 --> 00:28:41.880
She's not happy.

405
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.440
It's interesting.

406
00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:45.119
Both girls are highly suspicious of him.

407
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:47.279
But particularly, Tegan.

408
00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:51.359
But she's also hardly suspicious of chameleon. something that you don't know about that's coming up.

409
00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:54.839
It's essentially anybody new into the Tartars don't come into my time.

410
00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:56.039
This is mine.

411
00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:59.519
But he is great throughout this.

412
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.660
And he sells the conflict between, you know, he wants to get off this planet.

413
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:08.759
He made this deal with having to kill the doctor with not wanting to kill the doctor.

414
00:29:08.819 --> 00:29:09.539
What's he going to do?

415
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.240
And I just think Mark is great throughout this entire story.

416
00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:22.920
When people sum up Turlow, they kind of talk about, you know, he's a coward, and yeah, he's always running away from danger, but he's not a coward in the same way, say Villa is from Blake 7.

417
00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:23.579
Yeah.

418
00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:34.140
He is he's a practical coward in that, you know, as we'll later find out he has a good reason to be running away from violence.

419
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:36.420
But he will always articulate.

420
00:29:36.539 --> 00:29:38.519
This is why I'm running away.

421
00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:45.839
I'm running away because this is a dangerous situation and when he wants to break his agreement with the Black Guardian, he's saying, but this guy isn't evil.

422
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:46.559
Yeah.

423
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:54.599
He already has moral qualms about it in that discussion with the headmaster, but his main thing is the doctor is not evil, you know.

424
00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:56.880
And so he's got this pragmatism to him.

425
00:29:56.940 --> 00:30:02.759
Which is, It's a refreshing depth to the character.

426
00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:09.059
And I would argue we haven't had this kind of depth to a character since Louise Jameson as Leila.

427
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:17.400
Yeah, and what will happen is what always happens to these high concept characters that all just becomes a lot less important as time goes on.

428
00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:20.400
You know, he is very well drawn.

429
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:34.440
And the fun thing is that even though he's established as a thief and a manipulator and all of those sorts of things, he still has those moral qualms that he mentioned, he still recognises the doctor's a good man.

430
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:40.079
When he raises that rock, to bash the doctor.

431
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:41.460
Yeah, that's a bit crummy.

432
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.680
Isn't that a cliffhanger?

433
00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:45.779
Yeah, it's a cliffhanger, so what?

434
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:47.279
And I like it.

435
00:30:47.339 --> 00:30:48.599
Yeah, me too, right?

436
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.279
And the thing explodes.

437
00:30:50.339 --> 00:30:52.740
Fortunately someone doesn't come in and say, no, stop.

438
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.440
Well, the machine says no.

439
00:30:55.500 --> 00:31:09.660
He's thrown over backwards, but yeah, Jeopardy with the doctor is never that convincing, but, you know, here you actually believe the doctor could be, at least I'm not going to say he's killed, but, you know, given a blow to the head at the very least, but of course...

440
00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:13.559
I just think that's like, he would have made such a mess of his uniform and stuff.

441
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:17.339
I guess he would have been transported off the planet if he'd managed to do it successfully.

442
00:31:17.339 --> 00:31:19.380
Reminds me of that line from Mum.

443
00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:25.079
Oh, I think it might be time to the doctor where Clara says, I will slap you so hard you regenerate.

444
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:33.180
Now, of course, the tarnest you get to investigate the Mary Celeste.

445
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:34.200
In space?

446
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.019
In space for a bit during this episode.

447
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.759
Don't they find the capsule quite quickly as well?

448
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.039
Don't transmit or is that in episode two?

449
00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:42.480
I'm getting a bit confused.

450
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:48.180
But they go up there and I need to mention that guitar riff that the, is it Peter?

451
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:48.900
Who's doing the music?

452
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.039
It's Patty, it's Patty.

453
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:50.819
The guitar?

454
00:31:50.819 --> 00:31:53.220
when the ship's coming towards the Tartars?

455
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:54.359
Down in.

456
00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:56.880
It's great, isn't it?

457
00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:58.920
It's a really, really good score.

458
00:31:58.980 --> 00:32:05.819
It's a bit repetitive, I have to say, but it has a really clear theme for the temptation of Turlow, which I think works really well.

459
00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:08.759
And the music is really terrifically good.

460
00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:12.180
Oh, I'm glad it's Patty Kings and I love Patty King.

461
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.759
They find the transmit capsule.

462
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.039
And it's very big on the inside.

463
00:32:17.099 --> 00:32:18.960
It's bigger than what the capsule.

464
00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:21.000
Oh, it's dimensionally transcendental.

465
00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:26.519
You know, I explained that to you with those 2 boxes that one time, Todd. got that explanation.

466
00:32:26.579 --> 00:32:28.319
No explanation, I understand.

467
00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:34.680
Yeah, well, you know, they stole tech from the Time Lord, so why not dimensional transcendentalism?

468
00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:37.140
I love the inside of the capsule.

469
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:42.599
I think it's my favourite set, even better than the ship set with all those diamonds and what have you.

470
00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:46.140
That whole design, I just think, is really, really terrific.

471
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:55.380
But I think this is a little bit where the story falls apart or doesn't fall apart as such, but it's different from what Doctor Who normally does.

472
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.319
This story has a bunch of things to do.

473
00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:00.059
It's got to introduce the new companion.

474
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.039
It's got to bring back the brigadier.

475
00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:10.259
Maybe unintentionally, it's laying the groundwork for the 5 doctors, and it wants to do a sort of time thing.

476
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.619
But there's not a lot of forward momentum.

477
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:15.960
You know, things just happen.

478
00:33:16.019 --> 00:33:24.539
And episode 3 in particular, very much is just a whole bunch of different people wandering around in different groups around those corridors.

479
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.380
It is looser and less plotty.

480
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.960
But the one big exception is episode two.

481
00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:41.819
And I just think what they do in episode 2 is something that you'll be astonished to learn Doctor Who has never done this before, even though it will go on to do it later.

482
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:45.480
And that's the 7783 thing.

483
00:33:45.599 --> 00:34:04.859
That is an extraordinary sequence, and I just adore the whole thing, as one is going on in one time, it's it's going on in the other time, and the intercutting between it and the scripting of that, you know, Peter Grimwade is really making up for the losses of several weeks ago in that entire sequence.

484
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.699
I think it's lovely that the Tegan and the brigadier sort of had that moment.

485
00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:11.280
Yeah, yeah, in fact, they have a great dynamic.

486
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:12.420
They love them together.

487
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:23.880
But the moment that 83 brigadier reveals that he knew someone called Tegan once is so great, and I think we get that before we get to see them meet.

488
00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:24.599
Is that right?

489
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:26.280
Before we get.

490
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:26.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

491
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:27.900
Yeah, it's just before.

492
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:32.159
So what happens is the doctor mentioned, oh, you know, I travel with Tegan in this.

493
00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:33.420
Oh, I knew what Tegan was.

494
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:37.559
Oh, no, different Tegan. you know, this is a different time zone, you know, yeah.

495
00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:38.940
Australian girl.

496
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:39.780
Strong accent.

497
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:41.099
Then the doctor's like, what?

498
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:46.079
And then I think the very next scene is when Tegan runs up to the cottage and says, excuse me.

499
00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:54.780
And like those things are not flashbacks because they are happening at the same time, even though one's in 77 and one's in 83.

500
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.900
They're at the same point in the story, so they're not flashbacks.

501
00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:03.480
But on another level, they tell us what the brigadier is telling the doctor.

502
00:35:03.539 --> 00:35:12.840
So when we can't back from a scene in 1977 back to 83, the doctor has just learned the information that we learned by watching that scene in 77.

503
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:14.400
Yeah, so well done.

504
00:35:14.460 --> 00:35:16.199
Yeah, it is incredibly well done.

505
00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:21.000
And I love that it's Tegan who figures out they're in the wrong time zone.

506
00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:24.480
It's not a matter of seeing a newspaper or something like that.

507
00:35:24.539 --> 00:35:28.559
It's a matter of someone talking about the silver jubilee and she remembers that was 1977.

508
00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:34.559
For me, it's one of these, again, it points to the fact that in a Peter Davidson story.

509
00:35:34.619 --> 00:35:36.239
You have an episode that I really adore.

510
00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:40.619
And then I have an episode that follows it that I don't really like as much.

511
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:41.340
Yeah.

512
00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:53.039
I think it's just crazy that Tegan and Nissa find this person in their underwear in the capsule and they drag him back to the Tatars and Tegan just assumes that it's the doctor.

513
00:35:53.099 --> 00:35:55.800
Like Niss is about to go, uh, uh, is she blind?

514
00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:56.699
Does she need glasses?

515
00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:58.199
Like, how can this be the doctor?

516
00:35:58.260 --> 00:36:01.079
They do mention that they think he could have regenerated?

517
00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:02.039
I know.

518
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:04.079
Yeah, I think it's a very interesting concept.

519
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:13.679
And I also love that I'm pretty sure it's the 2nd last scene in episode 2 where the doctor and the brigadier go, but if I'm not in that capsule, who did they drag into the TARDIS?

520
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:19.199
And then you come back and you've got David Collings as Morden and he turns around and his head's open.

521
00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:22.260
We get another NISA scream, which is an excellent scream.

522
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:23.940
And the spaghetti moves.

523
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.280
Yeah, it's pulsing.

524
00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:29.340
I think it's a little bit too horrific, actually.

525
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.000
Uh, you know, like I think it's maybe a bit too much.

526
00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:34.500
Do you think so?

527
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:40.260
The spaghetti heads freaked me out like as a kid and I love the fact they put him in the Tom coat.

528
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:45.659
And of course, for the point of the story, Tegan has to make that assumption that it's the doctor and that sort of thing for all that to work.

529
00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:46.559
And I think that's really good.

530
00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:51.599
But he turns around and it's David Collings and I just go, oh, yeah.

531
00:36:51.659 --> 00:36:52.800
I remember you don't like him.

532
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:53.940
I don't like him.

533
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.679
I hated him in robots of death.

534
00:36:55.739 --> 00:36:58.139
And it's like, he does a good job.

535
00:36:58.199 --> 00:36:59.940
I'm not saying he doesn't.

536
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:03.059
I'm not saying he's not, but I just...

537
00:37:03.059 --> 00:37:04.019
You've got that emotional.

538
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:15.119
I've got that emotion reaction to it And so when Moden drags himself around the ship and talks to his brothers and nobody listens and he's got to drag himself, it's a black mark for me.

539
00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:19.920
And it is badding in a way because it's like, why don't they come out and help him?

540
00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:21.179
He's done his job.

541
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:22.619
He's brought back help?

542
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.039
And they're just sitting in their little room until Turlow presses a...

543
00:37:26.099 --> 00:37:26.639
I don't know.

544
00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:32.159
It does give me the irrits because like this would have happened before. like the fact that he's back on the ship at any other time.

545
00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:39.239
You know, maybe there's something that says when he gets back into the regeneration room, that sends them the signal, but I just sit there going, oh, really?

546
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:39.840
Like, you know?

547
00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:42.780
You know, if that were the case, why didn't he just go straight there?

548
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:53.460
As much as I dislike David Collins as an actor, I really like his pleading with the Nyssa and Tegan in the brigadier that he is actually the doctor and for their help and that sort of thing.

549
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:54.659
Do you like that or not?

550
00:37:54.719 --> 00:38:00.900
I do think that that is a weird element, that thing where everyone just automatically assumes that Morden's the dot.

551
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:08.699
And no one asks him a question, like what's the Pharos Project or who's your best friend on Lagopolis or anything.

552
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:13.380
They do try to do that and he kind of deflects them with, you know, I mean, a lot of pain.

553
00:38:13.500 --> 00:38:17.940
Yeah, it's kind of like Tegan and this are both completely believe it from the off.

554
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.219
Nissa keeps believing it.

555
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:26.760
Tegan becomes sceptical and the brig is kind of in the middle going, well, look, maybe he isn't, but can we take that risk?

556
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:41.880
In fact, one of Tegan's best moments in this whole story is when she refuses to open the door to let Morden out into the ship and she might have overplayed it in previous stories or earlier on in her run.

557
00:38:41.940 --> 00:38:44.639
But she doesn't do that at all here.

558
00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:50.519
She's just very resolute and very steadfast without being sort of particularly obnoxious.

559
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:55.440
I also like how she calls the brigadier a chauvinist, which I just think I feel terrific.

560
00:38:55.500 --> 00:39:05.460
And there's going to be elements of that with Ace and the Brigadier in Battlefield, but it is just a kind of nice nod to how the world has changed around the program in the last 10 years.

561
00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:15.000
And what's really good about that is it successfully makes the point that, yeah, the brigadier is being dismissive of them because they're women and that's not right and they are capable.

562
00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:18.539
But at the same time, it doesn't change his character.

563
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:24.900
It's something naturally that the character was there and they don't go, oh, well, we shouldn't do that now.

564
00:39:24.900 --> 00:39:28.139
It's like, well, no, this is what the character was like.

565
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:33.900
And yes, if you put the character in a modern setting, have the other characters comment on that morality and that idea.

566
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:45.659
And I think it's actually more successful when they do it in battlefield, because both Ace and Bambera in battlefield, when we get there, by the end, they appreciate the brig and the brig appreciates them and, you know.

567
00:39:45.659 --> 00:39:47.579
There's not quite so much of an arc.

568
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.679
There's warmth and chemistry between the characters and stuff, but there's not that much sort of intentional...

569
00:39:52.860 --> 00:39:55.440
Going back a little tiny bit in the story.

570
00:39:55.500 --> 00:39:57.119
Or actually, no, it could be.

571
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.840
No, it is contemporaneous when they're like, oh, you know, we can't get back to the ship.

572
00:40:00.900 --> 00:40:02.639
And the Briggs like, oh, I have a homing device.

573
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:03.539
Tegan gave it to me.

574
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:05.639
So we get a nice time loop kind of thing there.

575
00:40:05.699 --> 00:40:09.239
And so they get the homing device that Tegan gave to the brigadier.

576
00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:10.079
Yes.

577
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.079
Isn't that great that it just happens to fit?

578
00:40:13.139 --> 00:40:14.280
Gallifran technology?

579
00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:15.840
It's so weird. isn't it?

580
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:18.000
Because that thing never has an origin, does it?

581
00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:19.019
The timing device.

582
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:21.659
Oh, um, Tegan takes it out of the Tartars.

583
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:26.219
Tegan takes out of the TARDIS, but then what happens from then on, it just loops around and around.

584
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:32.039
Well, Tegan takes it out of the TARDIS, gives it to the brigadier, and then, yeah, it would come back to the TARDIS.

585
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:36.000
So it's kind of like for the TARDIS, it's been half an hour for the homing device.

586
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:38.039
It's been away 6 years. a round trip.

587
00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:41.699
So it's not exactly a time loop or a predestination paradox or anything like that.

588
00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:50.280
Because so when the brigadier says, oh, I've got a Tartar timing device and we kind of go, wait, why the hell would you have a Tartar timing device?

589
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.199
But then we see...

590
00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:52.440
Yeah.

591
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:52.679
Yeah.

592
00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:53.460
Yeah.

593
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:58.800
And that's why they're able to lock onto the TARDS because Nissa takes out and gives it to Tegan saying, we don't know the area and you need to be quick.

594
00:40:58.860 --> 00:40:59.400
Right.

595
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:04.260
She takes it down and she gives it to the breeder saying, oh, you know, it's one of the doctor's gizmos and he pockets it.

596
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:12.000
The other part of that scene I really love is the doctor finding Turlow's crystal and just giving it back to him and saying, you drop this.

597
00:41:12.059 --> 00:41:15.840
The doctor knows that something is going on with him.

598
00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:22.739
And Tegan kind of treats the doctor like, oh, you know, I don't trust him, but the doctor just plays it close to his chest and he's like, no, I know there's something.

599
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:30.360
And that is so important because when Colin Baker comes around in a year and a half .

600
00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:43.739
And again, with Sylvester McCoy, Andrew Cartmel kind of raises the point that, you know, the doctor had become the universe's whipping boy and things just happen to him and he doesn't have any foreknowledge and he doesn't think ahead.

601
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:49.500
This is clearly the doctor, and this is a doctor who constantly gets locked up and doesn't think ahead.

602
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.860
This is clearly him going, there's something going on here.

603
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:54.420
I'm aware there's something going on.

604
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.300
You now know I've got my eye on you, Turlow.

605
00:41:57.420 --> 00:42:00.179
But I'm gonna give you the chance.

606
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:09.300
And that element of the characterisation between them is the most successful element of this trilogy stories, and I'll talk about that more in the next 2 stories.

607
00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:11.940
Okay, that's fine.

608
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.460
I understand where you're coming from.

609
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:18.599
I don't think it's successfully resolved at the end of the trilogy, but we'll talk about that when we get to it.

610
00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:22.320
Can we talk about the scientific gobbledygook?

611
00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:22.800
Yeah.

612
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.360
It's really bad.

613
00:42:24.420 --> 00:42:26.159
This story, isn't it?

614
00:42:26.219 --> 00:42:28.920
I can't even say it. limitation effect.

615
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:31.800
But there's a lot of other stuff as well.

616
00:42:31.860 --> 00:42:33.000
Have you got notes?

617
00:42:33.059 --> 00:42:34.139
I've only got notes.

618
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.840
There's lots of scientific mumbo jumbo part three.

619
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:47.340
And that, and I mentioned that effect and it's like, it'll short out the time differential and there's the warper lips and there's all these different names of machines.

620
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:48.119
Oh, come on.

621
00:42:48.179 --> 00:42:51.599
Yep, just referring to the Doctor Who discontinuity guide now.

622
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:55.559
There's something about instability, known stability in 1983.

623
00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:56.519
I don't know.

624
00:42:56.579 --> 00:42:58.199
I've written down that line. don't know why.

625
00:42:58.260 --> 00:43:05.400
So referring to the Doctor Who discontinuity guide for Technobabble, we have, yep, a warp lips.

626
00:43:05.460 --> 00:43:11.579
Could it have been affected by a tangential deviation coming out of the water lips, not with the dead reckoning alignment in the coordinates.

627
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.820
The doctor talks about reversing the clarity in the neutron flow as well.

628
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.000
No, he does actually say that, which I quite like, but that's part four.

629
00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:25.199
There's a lot of that, and there was a lot of that last week, and it is, again, for the Doctor Who technical manual crowd.

630
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:29.880
You know, it's not fun and I just think they should ditch it.

631
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:34.500
Well, it's a convenient get out of the problem that they're in in episode four, really.

632
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:41.159
Well, I mean, you could do that without all just this leaden talk about pretend scientific terms.

633
00:43:41.219 --> 00:43:51.780
And that was something that Douglas Adams sort of gently satirised and did in a really fun way with his gravitic anomalizers and...

634
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.659
Yeah, yeah, the conceptual geometer and stuff.

635
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:55.739
Those things are great.

636
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.739
And Bitmead had a good line in technobabble as well.

637
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:04.380
But this is like it's starting to become a fetish or something that they think is entertaining.

638
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:15.420
And related to that is this is another story with heavy influence of time lords and time lordiness.

639
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.300
Oh, yes, because you have storm and time more technology.

640
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:23.159
So we've got that bit of, yeah, there's all that time lord-y sort of stuff.

641
00:44:23.219 --> 00:44:25.500
And I hate it when the doctors are timelord.

642
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.079
Take me back to the 60s when that wasn't even a thing.

643
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:40.380
But the thing is, the time lords are done better in this story by their non-appearance than they are in Arc of Infinity, because I think Morden's people are referred to as mutants, like the mutants.

644
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:51.360
They steal the time load technology, but it's got this thing in it that makes them immortal, but they don't heal and their their physical form, never settles, da da da.

645
00:44:51.420 --> 00:44:55.139
So it sets the time lords up as these sort of mythic punishes.

646
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:01.019
Like if you look back to underworld where they screw up an entire culture, they just kind of whistle and wipe their hands off and walk away.

647
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.199
Whereas in this, it's like, okay, yeah, you can have our technology.

648
00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:06.239
You're not gonna like it.

649
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:11.099
And yeah, it sets them up as these sort of horrible mythic beings.

650
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:18.780
You know, if we hadn't had Arc of Infinity showing us that they're just a bunch of people in curtains sitting around sipping coffee.

651
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:19.920
Blue boringers.

652
00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:25.500
But for me as a kid, I loved Time Lord stuff.

653
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:26.280
I really did.

654
00:45:26.340 --> 00:45:32.820
Like, I said a few weeks ago that when I 1st watched Arc of Infinity, it was amazing and mind blowing, and, you know, then I grew up.

655
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.840
But this story for me maintains that mystique.

656
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:40.019
Image of the Fendal, maybe, or something like that.

657
00:45:40.139 --> 00:45:40.920
Yeah, yeah.

658
00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:44.579
And also, the idea that the kind of the time lords could be this horrible.

659
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:53.579
And even though we have a villain in the story who's forcing the doctor to do things and pretending to take his identity and what have you, he doesn't want to take over a planet.

660
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.739
Yeah, they don't want to harm anyone.

661
00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:01.500
He helps the brigadier into the capsule and stuff, the 77 brigadier into the capsule.

662
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:03.719
He doesn't seem to be a bad guy.

663
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:13.079
I mean, that's one of the things about the jeopardy of this story and what I've been talking about, is that nobody dies, except for the people who want to die.

664
00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:18.719
The only jeopardy is really conceptual that the doctor won't have any of his lives, right?

665
00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:20.400
So you wouldn't actually see that death.

666
00:46:20.460 --> 00:46:21.119
No, right?

667
00:46:21.179 --> 00:46:21.480
Okay.

668
00:46:21.539 --> 00:46:30.659
Obviously, the side effect that we discover in episode four, the sting in the town is, of course, that Nyssa and Teagan desperately need a day spa.

669
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:33.840
I think that makeup's too horrible as well.

670
00:46:33.900 --> 00:46:35.460
But then when they're really old.

671
00:46:35.579 --> 00:46:38.099
No, I think it is so brilliant.

672
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:39.960
It is it is yucky and it is terrible.

673
00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:42.840
And I think because it's only on screen for 5 seconds.

674
00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:43.559
It needs to be.

675
00:46:43.619 --> 00:46:47.099
Like, you'd need to get the point straight away that this is horrifying.

676
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.039
And Sarah Sutton, again, it's another moment where she really sells it.

677
00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:51.360
Oh, awful.

678
00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:53.039
She's kind of twitching.

679
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:54.480
Oh, she's really upsetting.

680
00:46:54.539 --> 00:47:00.480
And then we get the juxtaposition to that, which is the young, Mr. and Tegan, and they're just awful.

681
00:47:00.539 --> 00:47:06.480
Nissa, young Nissa is uncredited, but she's actually Julie from Press Gang.

682
00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:10.440
So seasons one and the last few seasons of press gang.

683
00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:14.820
Okay, I know from EastEnders, but she's on the DVD.

684
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.719
She's really proud of that being in Doctor 2 and that, I would be saying, honey, you know.

685
00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:20.219
Well, they're little kids.

686
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.340
I mean, Tegan doesn't seem to have an Australian accent in that scene.

687
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:24.599
Yeah, stop, stop.

688
00:47:24.659 --> 00:47:35.579
But back to what I was saying, like, obviously, it's very convenient that the 2 mutiers meet at that one time, so this energy discharge, however, kills the mutants and everybody else is healed.

689
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:37.619
I quite, I tell you what I like.

690
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:46.320
I like the fact that the brigadier from 83 remembers that this is how it went down in 77.

691
00:47:46.619 --> 00:47:50.880
And so he deliberately puts his hand out to touch the other one.

692
00:47:50.940 --> 00:48:09.780
And I think that Moffat has this story in mind when he writes time crash because remember, the future doctor, like David Tennant's doctor solves the problem because he remembers the problem from when he was the 5th doctor.

693
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:15.179
And it also has the dialogue about shorting out the time differential as well in time crash.

694
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.500
So I think that Moffat is calling back to that in that story.

695
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:20.460
I agree.

696
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:25.679
I think you said something really insightful about the threat to the doctor that he won't have any more regenerations.

697
00:48:25.739 --> 00:48:32.099
So he says he's going to be no longer a time lord, and then we crash to the cliffhanger.

698
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.500
And I don't think that's a great cliffhanger.

699
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:43.860
It's very word-perily, and I even think that if we'd been told that they were taking away all his regenerations, that might have been better.

700
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:48.840
But it's still kind of a crummy threat, because it's just, you wouldn't see it.

701
00:48:48.900 --> 00:48:49.920
Do you know what I mean?

702
00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:51.840
You would just walk away as Peter Davidson.

703
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:53.340
I'm just very visual.

704
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:57.300
And, like, even the Mordram people say, we don't want to kill anyone, you know?

705
00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.579
And so last week we didn't kill anyone.

706
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:01.619
And the week before the Ergon didn't kill anyone.

707
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:08.219
You look so sweet and mild mannered on the surface, but you're just lusting for blood.

708
00:49:08.699 --> 00:49:10.619
Apparently I am.

709
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:12.599
Just wait till we get to season 22, you know.

710
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.239
I don't have a problem with it.

711
00:49:15.300 --> 00:49:17.219
And that's the truth, people.

712
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.739
I just want there to be more deadly danger.

713
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:21.179
And it's not there.

714
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:26.579
I'm already sick of has the Black Guardians started to threaten Turlo with destruction for not...

715
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:27.239
Yeah, yeah.

716
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:28.679
And I'm already at least three times.

717
00:49:29.340 --> 00:49:31.440
And I'm already I'm already sick of that, you know?

718
00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:33.360
We do get the resolution.

719
00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:36.059
Obviously before we get to that.

720
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:41.400
There a moment, I think, Peter Davidson's great, which we look so sullen at what he, you know, he's given...

721
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:44.400
When he decides that he's going to, and he really sells it.

722
00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:46.739
We know that that's his decision. and it's really good.

723
00:49:46.800 --> 00:50:00.000
And you know what's really nice is that Tegan thanks at the end, that it is just a wonderful moment because actually quite early in the story, and I've got my notes here, she's very much, am I free of the Mara?

724
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:01.019
She's all about herself.

725
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.619
It's just something I noted that here is just a lovely moment.

726
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.079
She's so gracious. isn't she?

727
00:50:07.139 --> 00:50:15.179
And her reaction as well to the death of all the Maudrenettes around her is lovely and underplayed too.

728
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:18.000
I mean, she really, really is good.

729
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:30.420
And I think the reason that I've been complimenting Janet for the last few episodes is that this morning I watched Modern Undead episode 4 and was so impressed by her acting in that scene.

730
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:31.320
She's really good.

731
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:34.079
That moment is so beautiful.

732
00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:42.059
Of course, what we've seen of Tegan in season 19, She's antagonistic and I want to get home and you've abducted me and you have to sort this out.

733
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:46.079
And, of course, last week she was in great peril.

734
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:48.960
And as you say, Todd, you know, at the top of this story.

735
00:50:49.019 --> 00:50:51.420
No, oh, thank you, doctor, you've destroyed the Mara.

736
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:58.739
You know, it's still an understandable reaction and well, well, it is a self-ish reaction, like a reaction of the self.

737
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.739
It's understandable to say, look, am I going to get bloody taken over again?

738
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:09.179
But yet, that quiet moment at the end where, you know, he's on the ground, she comes down to him and she thanks him and he's just speechless.

739
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:10.380
He says nothing.

740
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:18.360
It's a beautiful moment between the characters, but it's so well played and underplayed between the actors.

741
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:29.579
And I think that character wise, there's also a little bit of an element of, don't tell anyone I said this, but because, you know, she's not saying it with Nissa and the brigadier around.

742
00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:39.059
But at the same time, it's also a private moment of, this is a character who is very, very vocal and always says what's on her mind.

743
00:51:39.059 --> 00:51:43.559
And this is a moment where she's like, no, no, this needs to be a quiet moment.

744
00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:46.139
It's absolutely beautiful.

745
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:46.980
It is.

746
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:48.960
They keep giving Tegan this stuff.

747
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.800
So do you think that means that Matt Smith wasn't a timelord?

748
00:51:52.860 --> 00:51:53.820
Why?

749
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:56.159
Well, because he couldn't regenerate anymore.

750
00:51:56.460 --> 00:52:01.980
I mean, the big threat is I won't be a timelord anymore because I won't have any more regenerations.

751
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:06.719
Again, I think it's just saying it in a more sort of accessible way.

752
00:52:06.780 --> 00:52:11.699
The whole premise of the program will be violated if I do this and that's why I can't do it.

753
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.920
But Matt didn't have any regenerations left.

754
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:16.320
You know, if he had a said, I've got 8 more lives.

755
00:52:16.380 --> 00:52:18.900
I've got 7 more deaths, so you want me to give up all my debts?

756
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:19.619
I will die.

757
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:21.420
That's a better cliffhanger.

758
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:26.519
You know, if there had been one more mutant and not just, I will still walk away this as Peter Davis.

759
00:52:26.579 --> 00:52:27.960
No, I will literally be dead.

760
00:52:28.019 --> 00:52:32.099
Yeah, that would have been, that would have been, that would have been more jeopardy.

761
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:35.099
That's my biggest beef with this story in the last 2 episodes.

762
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.699
Like, again, you know, last week I said I felt that steak dance could have been three.

763
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.400
I still think this could have been 3 episodes.

764
00:52:41.460 --> 00:52:43.619
Yeah, this is a terrible Patty in episode three.

765
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:45.119
There's still these lovely moments.

766
00:52:45.179 --> 00:52:48.539
There's still stuff I'm doing, but I'm just there going, okay, get on with it, please.

767
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.420
We get that lovely moment with Tegan.

768
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:56.039
And then we get a moment with Turlow, where he asks the doctor, may I join you?

769
00:52:56.099 --> 00:52:57.119
And they shake hands.

770
00:52:57.179 --> 00:52:59.760
You know, what's underlying that?

771
00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:00.599
Yeah.

772
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:03.960
And I love the eye roll between Tegan and Nissa.

773
00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:10.079
I have to say that I'm hugely excited to see how this will play out next week.

774
00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:12.780
Such a nice bunch of kids.

775
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:14.099
I hope it all goes well for them.

776
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:46.260
Well, as we leave the brigadier on Earth to recover from his mental attack at the hands of himself, we'll be heading to the centre of the universe for Terminus next week.

777
00:53:46.380 --> 00:53:48.179
So please do come back for that.

778
00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:50.280
I'll understand if you don't.

779
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.559
Can I take the week off?

780
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:54.480
Richard.

781
00:53:54.539 --> 00:54:03.659
Until then, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.sexy, fly through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter over on Bondfinger.

782
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:12.900
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783
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:19.440
Meanwhile, on YouTube, you can now find Doctor Who in 10 seconds, season seven.

784
00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:21.059
So do enjoy that.

785
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.940
I think it will actually be the shortest one to date.

786
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:29.039
Until next week, however, may none of your brains pulse through your skull.

787
00:54:29.099 --> 00:54:30.360
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

788
00:54:30.420 --> 00:54:31.019
Good night.

789
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:31.980
See you soon.

790
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:41.039
That was, like, her entirety, starring Todd, BLB, Nathan Bottomley, and Brenda Jones theme arrangement by Cameron Lab.

791
00:54:41.099 --> 00:54:45.300
This episode, Spidey Sense, was recorded on the 24th of July 2016.

792
00:54:45.539 --> 00:54:49.260
The next episode will be released in 2 weeks time on the 3rd of September.

793
00:54:50.159 --> 00:55:00.360
Any aspiring podcasters who might wish to learn a valuable lesson about the pitfalls of recording a crucial episode with a puppy in the house should continue listening once the closing credits are over.

794
00:55:03.420 --> 00:55:14.099
She's a perfectly reasonable character, but, but as you said, like, you'll be happier once there's only 2 I might just move that food.

795
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:20.340
It's okay. mate, you have to wait until you start the whole week.

796
00:55:23.579 --> 00:55:25.800
You're a good boy.

797
00:55:25.980 --> 00:55:33.179
Now, of course, in standard definition, That's not easy to see, but you can immediately see there is something.

798
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:37.559
Hey, little May.

799
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.840
You know, so it's just a little extra level that allows a character to figure.

800
00:55:42.900 --> 00:55:44.940
It's wait.

801
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:46.260
He's going to keep joking.

802
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.079
Because it used to be, he'd come up for a pat and you go to Pat and he'd run away.

803
00:55:52.139 --> 00:55:54.000
Yeah, it's so much more true.

804
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:55.679
Because you bite your hand as well.

805
00:55:55.739 --> 00:55:57.900
He was crying.

806
00:55:57.900 --> 00:56:00.360
He was, because he's, I've been teaching him to sit.

807
00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:08.219
And so when I came to pick him up after 3 weeks, He was jumping, jumping up on me and trying to bite my hands and all of that sort of thing.

808
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:10.800
And it would make him sit and he would sit.

809
00:56:10.860 --> 00:56:14.699
He's still sit, but he would cry because he really didn't want to be sitting.

810
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:16.440
He wanted to be jumping up on me.

811
00:56:16.500 --> 00:56:24.000
I've even got a picture where you can actually see, you can have to do this as a doting parent.