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One day, I shall come back.

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Yes, I shall come back.

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Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties.

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Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not

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mistaken in mind.

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Goodbye, Susan.

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Goodbye, my dear.

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Get out of my box, you painted whore.

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And I suppose I should say, Thank you to Richard and James for

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that prerecorded insert, and to the rest of you, I say, welcome

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back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who

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are fully paid up members of the Richard Herndel Appreciation

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Society.

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I am Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Richard.

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Hello.

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Richard Handel, right?

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And we're celebrating 20 years of Doctor Who with our commentary

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on the 5 Doctors, the Doctor 25th anniversary special that went

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out 1st broadcast was in, I believe, New Zealand on the 23rd of

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November.

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And the US.

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No, I'm thinking of the US.

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You're right.

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It's super Nemesis that went out in New Zealand first.

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That was their crime. was also their punishment.

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Now, what we have here is the transmission version of the 5

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doctors, which in the 2 disc DVD set, you can find that on disc

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one.

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We've decided to go for the transmission version because this is

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the version we all saw 1st time around.

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But we will occasionally discuss the 1995 special edition during

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this.

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Now, we're still sitting on the menu and I'm going to give you

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your code word to press play.

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That code word is zodin.

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So the next time you hear me say that.

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What a terrible like you.

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It's fantastic is one of my all-time favourite things ever.

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You know, just to drop in line.

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Yeah, yeah, let's throw in.

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He just...

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It's fantastic.

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That's wonderful.

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There we go.

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Okay, so, dear listeners, please get ready on your play button, or

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if, if like, us you're watching on a PlayStation 4, we're not

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getting sponsored, we really should.

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Then you'll be pressing your X button on your controller.

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So get ready, dear listener.

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Zodin.

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And we're off.

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Here's Billy.

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Hooray.

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Those washing up bowls of the same bit of punishment, haven't

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they?

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They have indeed.

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Really?

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We miss him, don't we?

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It's so lovely that JNT decided, you know, obviously he couldn't

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have Billy had to recast him, but he said, there's got to be some

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way we can have Billy.

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He said to Ian Levine, find me a clip that would be appropriate to

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go at the top of the anniversary special.

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There's few of his teeth in it as possible, but...

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No, they couldn't find one of those.

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We do, we will, I think, during the course of this talk about the

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way that kind of Doctor Who fandom conceptualise the 1st doctor

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because I think they get the 1st doctor horribly wrong in this.

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Well, you can really see where Collins performance is kind of

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being booted from, can't you?

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Well, I think he probably says that he wanted to bring back some

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of the, you know, irascibility that the 1st doctor had.

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But that's not how I feel about the 1st doctor at all, Todd.

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No, I think there's a lot of warmth in Heartless performance.

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Oh, definitely.

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And I remember when this was going out.

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Do you remember there was such a stormy night and it was almost

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going to be like blackouts and they had to broadcast again the

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following week and there was a power cart. wasn't there in

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Sydney?

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I was actually in Canberra at the time.

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It was that exciting. somewhere special to watch it with a lot of

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fans.

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No, yeah, yeah.

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It was busy there too.

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Oh, there's bloody shoes.

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I was staying at the entrance at the grandmother of a friend of

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the podcast, Edmund Bosworth.

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Oh, lovely.

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And as a kid, you know, during the school holidays and there was a

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giant storm there and we had to run out and rescue the washing.

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So I think I missed 10 minutes of it on its 1st broadcast as

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well.

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I was hovering over the play record buttons on my VCR.

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And then this black and white thing started and I thought, what's

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this?

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What's this?

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And then by the time I did that, I don't think I got all apart or

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speech.

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No, no.

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Look, brand new console.

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Yes, Malcolm Thornton.

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What do we think?

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world, you know, it's very 80s.

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I can't believe she's wearing those super bloody shoes.

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Don't they know?

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They always end up in, Oh, we're whales actually.

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Yeah, I love this console.

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The most peaceful place in the world.

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Boggy Wales.

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Is this his only bit of location work?

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You know, I think it might be. to Planet of Fire.

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And this is actually a remount.

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They recorded these scenes and the film was discovered to be

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damaged during processing or was damaged during processing.

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I'm not sure which.

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But they had to, they had to drag all 3 of them back out to Welsh

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Wales.

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I think this is actually really beautiful.

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And we've complained about Moffat before, but the last time he did

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something which was more than undead, I think we all talked about

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how good he was on location.

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And I think this is really good.

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I love the performances of the 3 leads.

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I love that thing where Turlo shows, the doctor, the sketch, and

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like, the doctor kind of subtly indicates that he thinks it's

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crap.

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And then both of them laugh.

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That was a really disdainful side eye, wasn't it?

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That was worthy of the bitterest drag queen.

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Oh, isn't it?

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Someone's playing missile command. meanwhile.

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Isn't it funny how both Tegan and Turlo are talented at doing the

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sketching?

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It's like the Tartars translating languages.

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Now, here we have, Richard Herndle, playing William Hartnell

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playing David Bradley, playing the 1st doctor.

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And there's a...

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The lovely reprise from Three Doctors.

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Yeah, there's a wonderful fan theory that this is like 2 minutes

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after he's been dropped off after that.

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Omega nonsense.

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Oh, bloody bollocks.

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I love that black triangle.

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So do I. It's fantastic.

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In the 1995 special edition, it was sort of replaced by a glass

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pyrot.

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Whirling, swirly snow cone of gray yucky poo.

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It's sort of a cheap CSO Phantom Zone, isn't it, from Superman

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95.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That makes it so endearing.

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Oh, yeah, you know, it's...

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Who made this for?

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Oh, actually, that looks like a Rato's iPhone, doesn't it?

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It doesn't read.

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Did you think he got turned into that?

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as a child.

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Can you imagine the fans at home with the making of Doctor Who

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book going, oh, this is a celestial toy maker?

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That's a good point because this was so exciting at the time.

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You could only see photos in that, you know, at the time in that

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exciting radio times special 20th anniversary special.

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And, oh, my goodness, how excitement.

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It's Lieutenant Carstairs, really?

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We talked about how nice it was.

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It's really, really cold here on locations, South Wales, isn't

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it?

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The wings whistling through the trees.

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I brought this gonk coach, those poor little gerbils.

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We were talking about how nice it was that the brigadier had been

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reintroduced fairly recently and so when he comes back, he is a

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bit of an old friend and he does have a relationship with some of

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our regulars.

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And, you know, there's there's no...

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Oh, well, insist on seeing Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart, but

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there's no sort of reason for, as you well know, kind of

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dialogue.

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Yay, Pat.

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I love Pat so much.

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Something I didn't realise till recently.

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So good, isn't it?

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I know, why?

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Well, you know, why?

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Couldn't they just find a bit of the BBC?

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Because it's on like, hey, because it's on film, it's completely

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forgivable, though.

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You would never know.

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No, absolutely.

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It's a lot of needless expense. lovely.

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Well, I gather that because of the special production budget, you

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know, they had a bit of, they had a bit of BBC production, but

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they had a bit of children need, of course, because it went out as

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part of children in need night.

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I think they had a bit more time at Ealing than they would usually

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have.

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You know that it was an ABC, an Australian broadcasting commission

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co-production as well.

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Yeah, and maybe BBC worldwide paid for some of it.

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Yeah, I think they did.

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And Todd, am I right in remembering that the original ABC

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broadcast had the ABC logo in the Starfield title sequence and the

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stars sort of burst out of that?

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I had no idea. remember that.

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I don't remember that.

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Yes?

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Something like that.

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Yes, that sounding familiar.

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Okay.

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Because I'm sure...

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Always turn to the bottle again.

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He's not got it.

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No wonder Bambera's coming in.

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I really.

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The thing I find strange about this is that this sergeant then

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said, this is the doctor, but he tried to stop the doctor from

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going in like a minute ago as if he was some sort of, you know, not

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allowed in. just find that really bizarre.

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It must have been...

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Consulting the files while they were having...

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Yeah yeah.

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Maybe he's only familiar with perks.

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Oh, the terrible zodiac.

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I love that joke.

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And then this whole bit is just Pat going off of one and Nick

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trying not to laugh.

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It is kind of a slightly crappy reason to get him here.

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He just came in to pass a few snarky remarks about the decor and

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then he left immediately.

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So that's the nicest part.

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The thing is that's so packed.

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It is so brief.

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Hello, go for a stroll for 30 metres and then I've got to go, you

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know?

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And I just love that there are a whole lot of sidey adventures, not

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even mentioning season 6B, which is obviously part of it.

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Well, how does he know later wrong?

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Now, Jamie, I love that black triangle.

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Yeah, so do I. I don't believe there's actually footage of it, but

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on an earlier shot, the shot was somehow spoiled when they're

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turning around to look at the obelisk.

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So Pat just ad-lived, you haven't met my aunt Bertha, have you?

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They're a great pairing too, aren't they?

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It's a really really good choice.

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Great jokes to my past detaching themselves like melting icebergs

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love that line.

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He actually is.

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He's not bad in this.

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I want to see the Robert Holmes version of all of this.

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So Robert Holmes was originally commissioned to write it, and he

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did write something called The Six Doctors.

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Is that correct?

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So his premise was because John Nathan Turner said to him, try and

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come up with some, with some plot, some plot information as to why

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the 1st doctor looks wrong.

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So in Robert Holmes treatment, his idea, it was called the 6

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doctors because they were going to acknowledge that this was a

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cyber duplicate.

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Was it made by the daleks on the planet?

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Yes.

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Say word, because say word, you know, it was so obsessive about

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cyber persons.

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And, of course, they were Robert Holmes's pet hate.

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Let's have a look at Revenge of the Side, the people again.

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This is just a massive, huge piece of birthday cake, this show.

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There is nothing you can say against it other than, you know, he's

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driving through the plot holes right now, but...

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What was I going to say?

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Beep, beep, beep.

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Good old best.

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He's actually, I love that he's written as Captain Haddock from

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the Tim Tim comics for this one, as we were saying.

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Yeah, yeah, the Robert Holmes thing because he hated Cybermen and

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all the rest of it.

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Anyway, they're all set on planet Maladoon. remember?

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Yes.

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And the cyber people were stealing Time Lords to try and get the

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coding for their DNA to break the laws of, you know, just got the

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laws of timiness, as you'd later use in 2 doctors.

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And those shoes are just so stupid.

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You know you're going to end up walking through a quarry or a bog

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mine.

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They really go with pizza.

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How do you think he chooses her outfits?

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So does Turlo's hair.

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So we do we do dollars?

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Do we do Doctor Who frock cast?

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because this is Tegan's his her new outfit?

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hideous.

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Johnny wears it once.

295
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She does only wear it for this.

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So what was she wearing in King's demons?

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She was wearing the multicoloured mini dress that she'll wear

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again in Warriors of the Deep.

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Oh, okay.

300
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I just like wearing on the anniversary poster.

301
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Oh, but you can criticise that and not this?

302
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Well, I'm criticising the raincoat.

303
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I don't mind that.

304
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Liz is a gonk.

305
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Oh, no, no.

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Prada, because that's what Prada was doing then.

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It's actually very princess died for a photo shoot before I got

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married.

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That sort of string tie thing.

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Yeah, yeah, it's all well, it was Prada in the day.

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It's Bill.

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Sheathes to deciding everyone's getting to be Bill.

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I'm going to be Bill.

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Yes.

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Yay, John Dason.

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Yay.

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And your neighbours look at this and go, really?

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No wonder you've got no husband.

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And yet deaths are falling over.

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Look at that.

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And the perm?

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What can we say about Liz's perm?

323
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Not my favourite thing.

324
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Actually, yeah, toilet.

325
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Oh, she's always good.

326
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You are the afficionado on Sarah Jane's outfits.

327
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How do you rate this one overall?

328
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I don't like this one very much.

329
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A lot of peach happening, isn't it?

330
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you give it one.

331
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5 Andy pandies, do you reckon?

332
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Andy candy.

333
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Look, for me, I mean, I've mentioned this before was when I saw

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her at the lunch one day in London.

335
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She came out of the tube station wearing another coloured version

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of that raincoat.

337
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So for me, that will always, that always sticks in my mind. always

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stick in my mind.

339
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Oh, look who it is.

340
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It's Lala.

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Tom.

342
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And somehow the dialogue is instantly improved.

343
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And have you noticed how much more fun this looks because they're

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not having to stick to a list.

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Do you get the impression, even though we all loved 5 doctors, and

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even at the time, this suddenly felt so fresh and exciting, and

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Douglas... this bit here. felt yet to us, this and, well, not to

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me.

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Canberra.

350
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It felt...

351
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I was a bit younger, though.

352
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I was a bit younger and I just thought this was just part of it.

353
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I didn't know that Tom wasn't going to be in it.

354
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Oh, okay.

355
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I'd seen pictures of the, in the paper with the dummy thing, but

356
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they only used the one where they were all standing around.

357
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I just thought, oh, Tom looks a bit strange.

358
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I didn't put 2 and 2 together.

359
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So actually, I was really disappointed when he actually gets

360
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trapped, you know?

361
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So I just took this as part of the story.

362
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You know the dummy thing?

363
00:14:16.860 --> 00:14:20.759
So what you're talking about is they used waxwork from Madame

364
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Tussault to represent Tom in the photo shoot?

365
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And that waxwork has actually appeared in Doctor Who in the

366
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closing scene of Day of the Doctor, when they have that tableau of

367
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all of the doctors together and some smart ass has put Tom's

368
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waxwork in there to represent Tom.

369
00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.320
Yeah, yeah, go back and look at it.

370
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I honestly didn't realise.

371
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Yeah, and it's strange because like, you know, he was older in the

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last season and all that.

373
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Whereas I just kind of went with this and, oh, it's great that

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they're there and they're together and they look great.

375
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And it was just part of the story for me.

376
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Yeah, I remember as a kid, I just thought the 4th doctor getting

377
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trapped was part of the plot.

378
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It never occurred to me that Tom only wanted to do a scene or

379
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didn't even want to do that scene.

380
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And for me, it increased the drama of it because the doctor who's

381
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closest to this doctor is in danger.

382
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So, you know, if he's he's wiped out.

383
00:15:16.139 --> 00:15:18.000
Oh, he's going to start... vanishing now.

384
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He's going to start vanishing.

385
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And, you know, this is somewhere where the special edition's kind

386
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of weird because they keep cutting back at, oh, Pete's vanished

387
00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.899
again and cut to something else and, oh, back to Pete.

388
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He's vanished again.

389
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I don't remember ever watching the special edition.

390
00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:33.000
You know what?

391
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I loved it when it came out. had extra stuff you hadn't seen

392
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before.

393
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Was it?

394
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It was like the 1st DVD release.

395
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It wasn't part of the proper range. that right?

396
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They originally...

397
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Oh, and throw your handbag, love. we go.

398
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It was originally done for video.

399
00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:51.059
Okay.

400
00:15:51.059 --> 00:15:54.480
So it came out on a video set with a pack of cards and the Kings

401
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Demons.

402
00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:59.759
Um, and he boots uh, the UK chemist chain.

403
00:15:59.820 --> 00:16:02.639
It came out on video with a special blue and black dalek.

404
00:16:02.700 --> 00:16:05.100
Can I actually, sorry, blue and silver Dalek, I think, which I

405
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actually have up there.

406
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And I would have hoped like a bottle of Mogadon or something

407
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probably.

408
00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:16.080
But yes, it was then the 1st DVD release was the special edition

409
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with a standalone soundtrack you could listen to at the wrong

410
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speed.

411
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And in America, it had a commentary with Pete and Terrence Dix

412
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which is also on the 2nd disc of this release.

413
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I'm just looking at Peter fading in and out here, and I've also

414
00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.340
just seen Tegan's mullet haircut.

415
00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:37.799
I really don't like that haircut.

416
00:16:37.860 --> 00:16:40.200
No, it's Jo 1983.

417
00:16:40.379 --> 00:16:42.899
It's actually a bit rock folly's in 1978.

418
00:16:43.139 --> 00:16:45.779
There's a whole post-punk thing she's doing really nicely here.

419
00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:47.159
She's rocking on.

420
00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:50.580
I love how at this point they've given up using the mechanical

421
00:16:50.580 --> 00:16:54.179
opening for the scanner and it's just a CSO inlay.

422
00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:56.279
Yeah, it still works.

423
00:16:56.340 --> 00:16:59.580
It convinced me as a kid. loving the action figures.

424
00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:04.319
Well, they, they were sold at auction a couple of years ago.

425
00:17:04.380 --> 00:17:08.460
Well, you know, they're the only one of the few things that JNT

426
00:17:08.460 --> 00:17:11.099
well, didn't really nick, but, you know, kept after the shoots.

427
00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:13.380
Yes, he took the whole lot.

428
00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.220
So that was probably from the Gary Downey retirement fund.

429
00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.319
Did I just see Boom Shadow on her hair?

430
00:17:19.380 --> 00:17:20.039
You did.

431
00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:23.880
I believe that's painted out in the special edition.

432
00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:25.380
Thank goodness.

433
00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:28.740
Yeah, well, it ruined it for me. on the whole show.

434
00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.759
So I am not liking the new console.

435
00:17:32.819 --> 00:17:34.079
No, I never liked it.

436
00:17:34.140 --> 00:17:36.299
It just looked no, it looked like it was made of liquor.

437
00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:38.400
I love having lots of buttons depressed.

438
00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:41.160
You know, like I love anything with lots of butter.

439
00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.920
Well, I think her reaction is really stating at all, isn't it?

440
00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:47.160
And we can't get over that Liz Sladden was allowed to do the

441
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warpaper for this episode.

442
00:17:48.420 --> 00:17:50.039
What the hell?

443
00:17:50.099 --> 00:17:52.799
Well, this was what Ark of Infinity looked like, where it was just

444
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horrific foil wallpaper.

445
00:17:54.779 --> 00:17:58.140
This is the best who farted scene we've had so far this season.

446
00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:01.200
But this is so much better than Arc of Infinity.

447
00:18:01.259 --> 00:18:04.619
There's depth, there's things off the walls and on the walls.

448
00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.079
We've got a much better barusa in the form of Philip Latham.

449
00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:08.279
I think he's much much better.

450
00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.440
He just has his name.

451
00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.660
The Castalan has not been such a bitch as...

452
00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:14.279
I don't know, with this long. don't know.

453
00:18:14.339 --> 00:18:15.480
Oh, no he is.

454
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He's throwing shade.

455
00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:18.539
And then they've got the wonderful chance for fate.

456
00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:19.740
Yeah, I'll say name.

457
00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:21.119
Yeah, Chancellor, yeah.

458
00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:21.839
Diana Sheridan.

459
00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:23.519
Welcome to the bet.

460
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That can never make any sense, Flavour.

461
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Looky, looky, looky.

462
00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.400
It's a bit like, you know what?

463
00:18:30.539 --> 00:18:32.339
For Bondfinger, we watched Thunderball last night.

464
00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:33.900
No, he didn't.

465
00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:35.880
We watched it's non-union.

466
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Yes, right.

467
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We watched Never Say Never again.

468
00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:39.180
And this is a bit like that.

469
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It's like, really, this is the only person you can call in for

470
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help.

471
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The only person you can call him for help is a 52-year-old Sean

472
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Cottery.

473
00:18:46.259 --> 00:18:49.680
It's looking quite similar covered in all that slap too.

474
00:18:49.740 --> 00:18:52.440
I'm just loving loving the way he runs all his words together.

475
00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.099
I assume maybe...

476
00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:58.200
Yeah, it's strange delivery, isn't it?

477
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I do love this line.

478
00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.039
Okay, now this makes no sense.

479
00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:04.200
Oh, that's gorgeous.

480
00:19:04.259 --> 00:19:06.180
But hang on, hang on.

481
00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:07.259
This. hang on.

482
00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:11.160
Well, if they've been able to extend regeneration cycles.

483
00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:12.359
The face gives it away.

484
00:19:12.420 --> 00:19:16.019
Why the hell hasn't been pissfighting around with the eye of

485
00:19:16.019 --> 00:19:17.519
harmony and several action.

486
00:19:17.579 --> 00:19:19.799
Is this worried about dying?

487
00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.079
Yes, that's the point.

488
00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:24.900
Surely, you know, you could say, oh, you need the appreciate, you

489
00:19:24.900 --> 00:19:27.299
know, uh, Billy, meanwhile on Scara.

490
00:19:27.420 --> 00:19:28.980
We'll come back to that, won't we?

491
00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:34.859
No, no, I think that regeneration cycle thing has been enshrined

492
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in the new show.

493
00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:36.779
That's how we got Capaldi.

494
00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.599
But this is the 1st time it's mentioned in the classic series.

495
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And I think that they must have only just invented it because

496
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otherwise it makes no sense.

497
00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:46.740
And the only reason this barusa isn't using it.

498
00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:47.339
I know.

499
00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.259
Oh my god, it's German expressionism.

500
00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.200
No wonder he looks horrified.

501
00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:55.740
He's actually horrified even when he recognises Susan.

502
00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:57.660
We dumped you.

503
00:19:59.339 --> 00:20:02.039
We don't even recognise her.

504
00:20:02.099 --> 00:20:06.599
Like, I mean, I think, I think, I mean, obviously they want to try

505
00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:09.119
and, you know, who is this because they don't pick her up like

506
00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:11.579
everybody else, but I think it's a bit of a slap in the face that

507
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she doesn't get time scooped like everyone else.

508
00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:14.819
I mean, it's written in the novel.

509
00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:17.279
It is written in the novel.

510
00:20:17.339 --> 00:20:18.480
It was never in the script.

511
00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:19.680
They just didn't have the budget for it.

512
00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:21.480
And this dialect looks really rough.

513
00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:24.299
We haven't had dialects for a long time.

514
00:20:24.299 --> 00:20:25.859
1979.

515
00:20:25.980 --> 00:20:26.700
Yeah.

516
00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:28.019
So it's been 4 years.

517
00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:29.099
It is exciting.

518
00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:31.920
And I mean, it is what you want to do for an anniversary special.

519
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:34.079
It was exciting seeing it on screen again.

520
00:20:34.140 --> 00:20:37.200
There's also a kind of very low tech way in which the doctor

521
00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.140
defeats the Dalek, which I think works very well.

522
00:20:40.140 --> 00:20:42.480
Like, it's like what would have happened in the Hartley area.

523
00:20:42.539 --> 00:20:43.619
Yeah, absolutely. absolutely.

524
00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:47.460
Um Yeah.

525
00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.940
You know, okay, I've said before that Peter Moffatt retired from

526
00:20:50.940 --> 00:20:53.940
acting with modern under, but there are some good touches in this

527
00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:56.279
like that high end. directing directing.

528
00:20:56.339 --> 00:20:57.240
Well, exactly.

529
00:20:57.240 --> 00:20:58.980
Peter Moffett is actually Peter Davidson.

530
00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.559
Don't speak too soon.

531
00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:03.660
We'll get some great direction coming up short.

532
00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:05.640
Hat. Got a hat.

533
00:21:05.700 --> 00:21:09.000
You notice when he turns naughty bad in case anyone has...

534
00:21:09.059 --> 00:21:12.000
He puts on another little outfit to match the masters and he puts

535
00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.220
a little blackout victim and he goes and plays the harp because

536
00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:16.619
that's just how big people he really is.

537
00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:20.220
Yeah, yeah. been going into the other room, changing the evil

538
00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:23.160
outfit, operating, playing missile command for a while, then sort

539
00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:23.579
of coming back.

540
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:25.200
Who was the Joan Crawford all the time?

541
00:21:25.980 --> 00:21:29.160
She had 5 different outfits for different things during the day.

542
00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:30.359
Here we go.

543
00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:33.480
Well, cosmos. scarcely better.

544
00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.480
Is he having problems with his dentures?

545
00:21:36.539 --> 00:21:37.980
He's just not sucking.

546
00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:39.240
Yeah, he's sucking his teeth back in.

547
00:21:39.299 --> 00:21:42.000
He's accidentally put in Billy Piper's new teeth.

548
00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:43.740
Exactly.

549
00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:45.779
That's my response as well, Auntie Fluff.

550
00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.359
Sheridan just because the most bitchy look.

551
00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.720
She's so unimpressed by the whole...

552
00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:52.259
And you know what?

553
00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:54.960
I don't often say this. about Elsbert Gray, but she's so much

554
00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:56.279
better than Elsbert Gray.

555
00:21:56.339 --> 00:21:59.220
Who else who looks one of the best things...

556
00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:02.460
She's lying in a sun peep in the death zone, isn't she?

557
00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:03.960
Yeah, in the cushion.

558
00:22:04.019 --> 00:22:07.740
With Zorac, with Zorac.

559
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:08.819
Yeah, yeah.

560
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:10.140
Wow, I'm just in the race.

561
00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:11.700
That's my favourite.

562
00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:13.319
It's those two.

563
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:14.220
Go on.

564
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:18.299
So cruel of you to say that she's gone.

565
00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:22.680
They send them and not the chancellery...

566
00:22:22.740 --> 00:22:25.200
Maybe that's why Colin's not in this one because Maxwell was set

567
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:25.619
out there.

568
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:27.900
Well, they didn't seem to have any Maxwells.

569
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:28.440
What's that?

570
00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:30.420
Yeah, there wasn't a big giant. contract over.

571
00:22:31.019 --> 00:22:33.420
Sucked off to a time.

572
00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:36.660
Can I just say, like, I mean, with Susan?

573
00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:39.960
Like, if you weren't a fan, you wouldn't know who that woman was.

574
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:41.099
I reckon they should do us.

575
00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:42.420
Oh, but grandpa, grandma did.

576
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:43.500
I don't think so.

577
00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:45.180
I think like she's unrecognisable.

578
00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:45.599
She's got.

579
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:47.220
I don't think she's got any traits.

580
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:47.940
She trips over.

581
00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:48.720
She looks at a big bomb.

582
00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:49.200
That's about it.

583
00:22:49.259 --> 00:22:50.279
She trips over.

584
00:22:50.339 --> 00:22:51.299
That is kind of so.

585
00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:52.619
But they could have gone for stunt casting.

586
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:53.819
I reckon they could have got some.

587
00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:55.079
Oh, who was bigger 982?

588
00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:55.920
Jane Asher.

589
00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:59.579
Well, Street, they could have got Meryl Streeping to do that

590
00:22:59.579 --> 00:22:59.880
role.

591
00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:03.119
Well, even better, rather than these 2 who are unrecognisable

592
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:05.579
wouldn't have been Peter Cushing and Roberta Toby.

593
00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:07.859
There's a car.

594
00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:08.700
That would have been awesome.

595
00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:11.279
Well, that wonderful thing that appeared on Twitter this week, what

596
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:16.079
would Doctor Who fan Twitter have been like in 1972 with the 3

597
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:18.839
doctors upcoming when someone actually posted, why is Peter

598
00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:19.799
Cushing not in this?

599
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:21.359
He was in big budget films.

600
00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:22.380
This is a disgrace.

601
00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:23.640
Let's must go.

602
00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:25.079
I've started a Facebook page.

603
00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:28.920
I just want you to think of Peter Cushing and Roberta Toby in

604
00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:29.519
these roles.

605
00:23:29.579 --> 00:23:34.380
You know, I think I think that fandom in this period has a really

606
00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:39.420
awkward relationship with the idea of Susan and they're slightly

607
00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:42.000
embarrassed about Susan being the doctor's grandfather

608
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:42.779
grandfather.

609
00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:46.259
I meant to say that, about Susan being the doctor's granddaughter

610
00:23:46.259 --> 00:23:49.319
partly, I think, because it implies the doctor once had sex.

611
00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:51.240
Yeah, we can't have that.

612
00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:54.779
But also, I think, because, you know, he abandons her and just

613
00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:58.259
gets a sort of string of other people and, you know, is she a

614
00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:00.359
companion, that's really great. isn't it?

615
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:00.779
isn't it?

616
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:02.220
This is this mitt thing.

617
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:03.299
It's great.

618
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.420
But they don't want her to be special.

619
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.039
And so, so it is very, very deliberately, you know, she's kind of

620
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:14.099
backgrounded and you get none of the things that you would get in

621
00:24:14.099 --> 00:24:15.599
a modern thing.

622
00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:19.559
You know, she meets Peter Davidson and there's no reaction.

623
00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:21.000
Oh no, there is.

624
00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:22.079
Yeah, yeah, there is.

625
00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:25.019
That was made me so angry.

626
00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:26.940
She looks at his crotch or something.

627
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.779
And in the extended version, she really undresses him.

628
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:32.160
It's quite disturbing.

629
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.799
He's got a fray and eyeballs.

630
00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:37.019
Oh, these 2 work so well together.

631
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:38.460
They are so good, aren't they?

632
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.279
No, there is actually a lovely thing, but because of crisis and

633
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:42.779
other stuff going on. holding it in.

634
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:43.980
Yeah.

635
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.259
No, as a child, I didn't pick it up, but now I've been able to

636
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:46.799
forgive them all.

637
00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:48.359
I love this location.

638
00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:52.440
I love that he's come as the Tegan Jabanka appreciation. coat.

639
00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:57.299
I do love that when they bring Susan back in Big Finish with Paul

640
00:24:57.299 --> 00:24:58.019
McGann.

641
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.000
They really get her character right.

642
00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:01.559
Yeah, they really do.

643
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:04.319
Spoiler alert, when they meet for the 1st time, there is no

644
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:05.400
recrimination.

645
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:07.740
She is so pleased to see him because, you know, you could do a

646
00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:08.640
whole hour on...

647
00:25:08.700 --> 00:25:09.359
You left me.

648
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:09.839
How could you?

649
00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:11.279
And it's like, actually, no.

650
00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:15.599
You didn't...

651
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:17.339
Simon's wearing...

652
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:18.779
You left me to...

653
00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:20.819
No, Scotsman.

654
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:21.839
The Schidman was wearing jeans.

655
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:22.859
Did you see it, Jeff?

656
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:24.839
That was David Campbell all the time.

657
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:28.799
I wanted that scene at the beginning where she says, oh, Graham

658
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:29.759
I'm just going out to walk the dog.

659
00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:31.799
And everybody goes, who's Graham?

660
00:25:31.859 --> 00:25:32.759
Well, she's obviously ditched.

661
00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:35.279
She's just fallen down a hill.

662
00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:36.359
Oh, no.

663
00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:37.799
That's the cliffhanger to episode.

664
00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:40.079
That's surprising, doom.

665
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:42.119
So there was a four-part.

666
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:46.319
There was a four-part version of this where they put cliffhangers

667
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:48.900
in at random, and this is something that we'll revisit, of course

668
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:50.700
in season 20 too.

669
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.759
But that was the Cliffhanger to episode one.

670
00:25:53.819 --> 00:25:58.859
Her precipitous fall down, a giant steep clip.

671
00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:00.119
And you want to know something?

672
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.359
I think from memory, it's not even the fall that's the

673
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:03.900
cliffhanger.

674
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:05.339
It's her saying, K 9.

675
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:06.960
Why didn't I listen to that?

676
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:12.000
I actually think she fell down quite well, but she did.

677
00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:14.039
It's poorly directed.

678
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:18.000
They really need, like, this is, like, even Peter Moffat on the

679
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.599
making off says, I thought I shot it at an angle, but it looked

680
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:23.400
quite steep, but I didn't tell.

681
00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:25.680
I made I made Liz look like an idiot.

682
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:26.700
I'm sorry.

683
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.259
Well, you know what was going to happen?

684
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:32.759
They were actually in a destroyed and it looked like a post

685
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:33.119
Holocaust street.

686
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:35.700
And then Autons were going to appear.

687
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:40.200
And yes, and Pertz and Lizzy were going to, of course, the whole

688
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:41.400
proper mini adventure.

689
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:43.259
Yeah, and then they said, oh, no, I haven't got the money.

690
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:47.460
Because we built that stupid set of the unit office and they drank

691
00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:50.759
all the rest of the funds, all that, what's his face, Crichton

692
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:51.779
slogging the scotch.

693
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.180
This is also a great moment.

694
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.140
Yes.

695
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.000
Thank you, Towens.

696
00:26:57.059 --> 00:27:00.660
Towence was reportedly furious because it was Sarah who was meant

697
00:27:00.660 --> 00:27:01.680
to say teeth and curls.

698
00:27:01.740 --> 00:27:02.700
John said it instead.

699
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.839
And he's like, one, John, as usual, you steal the joke of the

700
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.240
scene, two, John, you can't know that.

701
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.359
But she does it beautifully.

702
00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:13.259
Oh, yeah.

703
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:17.400
Well, by the way, it's just lovely to see the 3rd doctor morphing

704
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.259
more and more into B. Arthur.

705
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:23.039
Because this actually does feel more like a reunion of the Golden

706
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.019
Girls does. as we go on.

707
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.240
If you look speaking of which lesson.

708
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:31.440
If you look at them, you might ask.

709
00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:35.460
If you look very carefully in the Deadpool movie, isn't it?

710
00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:37.980
Todd is having apoplexy.

711
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.819
Let's just sit on this rock and I'm going to go look, see, around

712
00:27:41.819 --> 00:27:43.140
is there actually a corn here?

713
00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:44.039
There is not.

714
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:45.599
They just make up the corner.

715
00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:48.420
They shouldn't be able to see it.

716
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.339
It's just...

717
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:54.299
I thought you were complaining about the 2nd polystar in rocking 2

718
00:27:54.299 --> 00:27:54.539
scenes.

719
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:57.599
You know, it's not like they could have then shot them coming out

720
00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:59.460
from behind that rock and faked it.

721
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:00.839
There's a rock there.

722
00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:03.960
That's why you were when you were saying about his direction, like

723
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:05.640
there's moments of terribleness.

724
00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:06.720
Oh, dear.

725
00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:08.279
I don't mind that.

726
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:10.079
Oh, you buggered it up.

727
00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:13.500
I love, I love, though, that Susan knows exactly.

728
00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:16.680
Yeah, and she didn't get horribly electrocuted because she's

729
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:17.099
wearing gloves.

730
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:17.819
She's done all this before.

731
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.180
I dislike her saying the words galifrey as well.

732
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.460
Susan and the doctor weren't from Gallifrey.

733
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.259
Gallifrey wasn't invented until season 11.

734
00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:26.759
Yeah, they're from the year.

735
00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:30.539
They're from the year 5,043 fleeing a war in order to destroy the

736
00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:30.779
future.

737
00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:33.359
Another time, another world.

738
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:35.819
Do you know it was us to direct this, don't you, if you want to

739
00:28:35.819 --> 00:28:37.380
say nothing Moffat things?

740
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:38.339
It was Warris.

741
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:39.180
Hussein.

742
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:39.839
Really?

743
00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:42.420
And I believe the only reason he didn't was he was offshooting one

744
00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:44.759
of the prestigious period dramas.

745
00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:46.740
He said, I've got a life.

746
00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:49.920
Oh Susan's so excited.

747
00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:53.460
No, but no, she...

748
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.480
And the thing is, the thing is, in a moment when Pete walks around

749
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:00.119
the console, he does, he's looking at Susan.

750
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:01.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

751
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.799
You see, but there's this thing, but it's kind of, I don't like

752
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.740
that he's looking away, but she's actually doing a great little

753
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:08.460
job.

754
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.279
Well, they're given nothing to do and she clearly wants to do

755
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:11.819
something.

756
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:12.900
Well, evidently.

757
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.299
And the thing is, that thing you were mentioning earlier about

758
00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:18.420
Nathan of, you know, not wanting to apply, imply the doctor had

759
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:18.900
sex.

760
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.660
That was coming from JNT.

761
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:25.980
JNT insisted in the script that Susan Cole, the doctor.

762
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:26.579
Doctor.

763
00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:27.000
Doctor.

764
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.259
And Carol Anne said.

765
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.779
I'm calling him grandfather, or I'm not doing the show.

766
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.259
Which is one of the few times that Fred actually worked.

767
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:35.819
And this is great.

768
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.279
Look at Janet's reaction.

769
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:40.559
And look at Turlo's is sucked in.

770
00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:42.000
Yeah, yeah.

771
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.519
But you know who is in the kitchen?

772
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:45.420
Chameleon.

773
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:46.980
So he is.

774
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:50.099
So he's rusting into the cafe machine.

775
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.920
But again, in the script.

776
00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:56.579
It's Susan and Susan and Tegan who go off and get it and it was

777
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:57.599
both...

778
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.819
It was Carol and Janet in rehearsal said, nah.

779
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:01.680
They rewrote it.

780
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:03.779
Don't you love that they've all got their Franklin Mint 20th

781
00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:06.240
anniversary collectable tea coasters here.

782
00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:08.160
Yes, and and y-os.

783
00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:09.960
It is never seen ever again.

784
00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:11.220
This is the Q-Lab scene.

785
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.259
I love that little transmat thing.

786
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:14.339
It is good.

787
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:15.059
Tom's old.

788
00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:15.539
It is good.

789
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:20.279
In the commentary, in the David Tennant commentary, which is a

790
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.819
special edition for DVD feature.

791
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:25.140
Which is like an Easter egg.

792
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.220
Not as entertaining as us.

793
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:27.119
It's pretty good though.

794
00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:30.660
He does call that the coaster of Wrestle.

795
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:39.000
Now that wasn't the Flavia's part of the screen wasn't locked off

796
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:39.359
there.

797
00:30:39.420 --> 00:30:42.900
She just had to stay really rarely still while Anthony Ainley

798
00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:43.500
bucket off.

799
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.880
There's a hint for you, eager-eyed listeners there.

800
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:51.779
There's an extension to that scene in the special edition where

801
00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:54.539
Barusa says, I would prefer to wait alone and they just look at

802
00:30:54.539 --> 00:30:55.740
him like, well, fine.

803
00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:00.240
We'll leave then. nipping off to get into his villain costume and

804
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:00.839
play the harp.

805
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.480
He doesn't even have a pole to slide down like Adam West.

806
00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:10.200
Now, you see, this is info dumping, but it's Patrick, so it's

807
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:10.380
wonderful.

808
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.059
Yeah, we don't care. right.

809
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:16.619
Although he looks really old and tremendously cold, doesn't he?

810
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.480
He looks exactly the same.

811
00:31:18.539 --> 00:31:21.779
And isn't it interesting just as the 3 doctors, when these 2 are

812
00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:25.859
together and when Pat's on screen, it's his show. and it's

813
00:31:25.859 --> 00:31:27.720
completely the Patrick Trout and show.

814
00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:29.700
He really is the best actor in the entire team.

815
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.579
And I can't remember who had it, but one of the naughtiest.

816
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:32.940
Yes.

817
00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:36.119
Well, that leads into, I can't remember which one of them, but one

818
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:37.680
of them's got a hip flask under there.

819
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:39.539
And that's...

820
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:41.880
All right.

821
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:42.480
Hooray.

822
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:45.599
You deserve nothing less.

823
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.119
He's wearing a dressing gown.

824
00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:50.460
Come on, we were, yes, he's actually wearing my mother's order.

825
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:51.660
No, it's actually Mordron.

826
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.940
But do you remember when we were little thinking that was maybe

827
00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:57.539
the emaciated master or another version of the master?

828
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:58.740
Did you think that is a job?

829
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.359
I thought it was one of the other masters.

830
00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:03.599
I just like how he got his cloak dispensed in the transition.

831
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:05.339
Yeah, that's the worst thing ever.

832
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:06.960
Bruce is big on frock.

833
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:09.359
It would have been so much better if he'd stolen the cloak from

834
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:09.960
the court.

835
00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:11.460
The very master.

836
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:12.000
I'm cold.

837
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:12.960
Look at this.

838
00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:14.160
What a lovely spread.

839
00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:14.940
What the hell?

840
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.279
One of them is actually chameleon.

841
00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:18.599
Good point.

842
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:19.680
The avocado.

843
00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:21.539
Yeah, the centrepiece.

844
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.460
I think the whole centrepiece.

845
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:24.960
Which bit are they chewing on?

846
00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:25.920
I shall go to the town.

847
00:32:25.980 --> 00:32:32.339
Oh, I think it's got the prettiest backcombed, speaking of mullets

848
00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:34.799
Todd, who's got the prettiest hair in this one.

849
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.859
This might be Pete's best hair for a while.

850
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:41.700
Is this the one where you've thought apart from Herndl's kind of

851
00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:41.940
off?

852
00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:43.980
But actually, I really like his performance.

853
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:44.940
It just isn't Billy.

854
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.920
But it just I just love who he's playing.

855
00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:47.640
I just know who it is.

856
00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:49.980
Oh, he's no, he's the Dalek replica.

857
00:32:49.980 --> 00:32:54.180
No, no, his kneebrocks. from Blake 7.

858
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.480
Yeah, so he was actually, he did get cast on the strength of his

859
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:58.740
performance as an E-box.

860
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.180
He had the same hair, didn't he?

861
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:01.259
Yeah, yeah.

862
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:01.619
He did.

863
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.099
But yeah, John Nathan Turner and his memoirs does say, you know, I

864
00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:07.619
saw Richard Herndle in a nappy and said, there's William

865
00:33:07.619 --> 00:33:08.279
Hartnell.

866
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.140
There is nothing like him.

867
00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:12.180
Those parties at the BBC, I tell you.

868
00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:17.519
Did you think that at the time that our Pete was the closest to

869
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.059
the young Billy of all of the doctors, that they seemed a genuine

870
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:22.319
arc between the two?

871
00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:24.599
I certainly did watching this.

872
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:27.839
Absolutely, because he does have, he does have that short

873
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:29.039
shortness of temper thing.

874
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:32.819
It doesn't really come out in this, but certainly, you know, in

875
00:33:32.819 --> 00:33:35.579
things like the visitation and...

876
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:36.900
I love the short tent tempered.

877
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:37.740
I think is really good.

878
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.740
Yeah, like when Tegan takes too long to get dressed and

879
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:43.500
enlightened, but his reaction to a frock is just, hmm.

880
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:47.339
He also has that trout and thing of being slightly panicked all

881
00:33:47.339 --> 00:33:48.539
the time, which I like too.

882
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.480
You know, I've been I've been thinking about Troughton recently.

883
00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:57.299
Oh, since doing doctor in 10 seconds, and he really is a ruthless

884
00:33:57.299 --> 00:33:58.380
pugger, I'll do a video.

885
00:33:58.440 --> 00:33:59.220
Oh, yeah.

886
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.359
Doctor W?

887
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:03.359
Oh, here we go.

888
00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:06.119
Has something been done to the colour of this?

889
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.380
It seems more saturated.

890
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:08.219
It's really pretty.

891
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:11.460
It's been, it's, they've got the, they had the original film trips

892
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:13.440
and they completely regraded it.

893
00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:14.039
Oh, really?

894
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.659
Everyone's got lots and lots.

895
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.340
I think it's actually just showing up all the foundation.

896
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:18.599
They were in fact wearing.

897
00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:20.699
Did you get like that somehow Liz has found it?

898
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:21.659
She got a little blanky on.

899
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.800
Oh, no, it's a plastic Mac.

900
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:24.539
Friend of the podcast.

901
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:25.860
Yeah.

902
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:26.280
Todd.

903
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:28.199
Jehoshaphat. really you?

904
00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:30.840
I mean, there was, I thought at the time, the way he delivers that

905
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:32.460
line, it's like, is that the master's name?

906
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.739
Yeah, it's not a common sort of playground expression used to, you

907
00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:39.780
know, connote surprise, is it?

908
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:41.699
Well, not since 1920 now.

909
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:47.039
But Anthony only gets to work now against John Pertby, the 3rd

910
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:47.219
doctor.

911
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:48.900
I wonder who else who had lines with.

912
00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:50.880
Yes indeed.

913
00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:54.840
But now that Jehoshaphat thing, I never picked up on it, but just

914
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:59.940
yesterday, friend of the podcast, who are Pete over on Twitter, we

915
00:34:59.940 --> 00:35:02.340
were discussing misconceptions in the show and he said that he

916
00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:03.780
thought the name was Jehoshaphat.

917
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:04.980
So he takes the seal there.

918
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:06.960
Hasn't the doctor have that in the new series?

919
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:09.059
Yeah, but Capaldi producers.

920
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:09.900
Oh, no, Capaldi?

921
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:11.820
I thought it was Matt Smith, but yeah, I can't remember either.

922
00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:16.920
I'll have that. such a thieving gypsy, that one.

923
00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:18.900
They're so mean to him, aren't they?

924
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:23.219
And all he's done is destroy a 3rd of the universe and kill Ness's

925
00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:23.519
father.

926
00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:25.440
But from their perspective, that hasn't happened.

927
00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:26.099
Yeah, yeah.

928
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.199
So they're even more mean. exactly.

929
00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:29.760
These thunderbolts are everywhere.

930
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:31.079
Yeah, what is it?

931
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.579
I think the Novacane hasn't worn off after his sort of dental

932
00:35:35.579 --> 00:35:36.480
treatment that afternoon.

933
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:39.719
I just love this.

934
00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:42.539
Like, he has to, which is quite fun.

935
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.179
And then they get about 30 metres and get blown up.

936
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.900
Oh, graphics.

937
00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:53.940
Well, we already had those crappy graphics in Lagopolis as well.

938
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.980
Does anyone remember whatever happened?

939
00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:57.300
No, not whatever happened to.

940
00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:59.039
Where in the world has come in San Diego?

941
00:35:59.219 --> 00:36:02.219
The Commodore 64 version looked like that.

942
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.320
That's a BBC micro, I think.

943
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:08.159
Oh, they exploded, Bessie.

944
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.019
That's all right.

945
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:10.559
She'll be back.

946
00:36:10.619 --> 00:36:12.360
How does it get back?

947
00:36:12.420 --> 00:36:16.559
Oh, the drags it all the way through the dead zone.

948
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.280
This is Glen Ridge hosting sale of the century.

949
00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:22.860
Talk that hat. the same console.

950
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:24.179
It's a terrible hat.

951
00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:25.320
He's got such a big tit.

952
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:26.340
Great, doesn't he?

953
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.320
I love his costume, though.

954
00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:30.659
Ooh, how are we?

955
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:31.739
Are we meant to believe?

956
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:33.179
Tailor's widow.

957
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.159
Oh, yeah, that's why he's wearing black.

958
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.219
Yeah, but I think maybe we're meant to believe that he's playing

959
00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:39.179
missile command.

960
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:41.760
He's a red herring.

961
00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:42.360
Yes.

962
00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:44.099
We need really?

963
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:45.840
There wasn't a lot of it, was there, no?

964
00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:48.239
It's again, it's another one of the things you point out, like

965
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.900
it's so exciting with all these potential villains that are

966
00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:52.380
actually in the background.

967
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:53.820
There's only one so far.

968
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.460
Who else could it be other than wrestling?

969
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:57.900
Well, do we think?

970
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.500
Also, you know, in the in Terence Stick's original treatment, it

971
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:03.840
was the master, and it was actually Eric Zaywood, who said

972
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:05.340
everyone's going to expect it to be the master.

973
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:11.699
And, um, Terrence said, well, how about Barusarin and Eric said

974
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:12.119
that's perfect.

975
00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:14.639
We had Barusa earlier this year and he was a kind old man.

976
00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:18.480
So let's make him evil. screw it up The old man.

977
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:22.920
Did they make, we did say at the time they tried to get Cardinal

978
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.159
Milk Moustache back to play this time.

979
00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:27.900
Aren't you glad they didn't?

980
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:29.099
Oh, thank no.

981
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.320
No, some great lines here.

982
00:37:34.380 --> 00:37:35.820
Oh, look at Pat.

983
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:36.539
Bless him.

984
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.400
Just that face.

985
00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:41.519
There's a rather lovely story about how Terrence Dix came to do

986
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:41.880
this.

987
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:45.659
He was in a he was at a convention in America at 3 AM. his phone

988
00:37:45.659 --> 00:37:48.059
rang in his hotel room and it was Eric Say would ask him to write

989
00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:50.940
the anniversary special and Terrence said, great, pretty much

990
00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:51.239
great.

991
00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:52.079
I'm going back to sleep.

992
00:37:52.139 --> 00:37:52.739
Call me tomorrow.

993
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.099
And when he and when he did call back, Eric Say would explain, well

994
00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:58.920
you know, we've got Bob Holmes working on an idea for us, but

995
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.380
we're not we're not sure about it and Bob's not sure about it.

996
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:02.880
So we thought we'd ask you for an idea.

997
00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:05.039
And whichever idea we like we'll use.

998
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:06.960
And Terence said...

999
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:08.760
We'll be fighting one another for our love.

1000
00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:12.539
And Terence said, that's no way to treat a writer like Bob Holmes

1001
00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:14.519
and come to think of it, there's no way to treat a writer like me

1002
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:15.059
either.

1003
00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:20.039
And let's just have a moment here for Richard Herndl's pineapple.

1004
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:24.480
There's a blooper where he just completely annihilates it.

1005
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.159
It's a nice change from all the Mangan that he was eating in that

1006
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.659
Blake 7 episode, I think.

1007
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.099
But yeah, Terrence pretty much said, look, come back to me when

1008
00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:38.820
you've decided what you actually want to do and I'll do it.

1009
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.219
And, you know, he had no problem with replacing Bob Holmes, but he

1010
00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:42.480
wasn't going to go into competition with him.

1011
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.199
So, John has just spied the side of him, so...

1012
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.559
So, a side man has appeared on screen in a John story.

1013
00:38:49.619 --> 00:38:50.519
Yes.

1014
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:51.840
In two.

1015
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:52.619
Really?

1016
00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:53.039
for two?

1017
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:53.820
Mind of evil?

1018
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.519
And Carnival of Monks.

1019
00:38:56.579 --> 00:38:57.059
But even so.

1020
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:57.539
Yeah.

1021
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.260
But, I mean, the idea that, you know, every doctor has to meet the

1022
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:05.219
cyberman, you know, that is a sort of making of Doctor Who or the

1023
00:39:05.219 --> 00:39:08.400
Doctor Who monster book brigade that we're really appealing to

1024
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:08.760
here.

1025
00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:11.760
And the cybermen are kind of terrible in this.

1026
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:13.679
I mean, they're always terrible, aren't they?

1027
00:39:13.739 --> 00:39:14.880
And particularly in the 80s.

1028
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.179
Yeah, well, part of the reasons they're so terrible is that

1029
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:19.320
Terence Dix hated that.

1030
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:19.980
Yeah, right.

1031
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:23.219
But also you end up with...

1032
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:26.400
You end up with 3 different teams of cybermen because they can't

1033
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.460
afford autons and they can't afford more than one yeti.

1034
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.139
That's that's why there's so many.

1035
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.599
So I remember because they had 12 suits or whatever.

1036
00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:34.079
Right.

1037
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.460
And it's not just Eric Seywood's fetish, it's a matter of what

1038
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:39.300
they could actually afford.

1039
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.099
I love the nursery rhymes. out here and I love all the mist, like

1040
00:39:44.099 --> 00:39:46.500
the actual on location stuff, not the overlaid stuff.

1041
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:49.199
Like, it really does make it quite atmospheric at times.

1042
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:52.440
It is a really miserably cold shoe.

1043
00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:55.320
Well, I mean, there's that story about John and his having to slap

1044
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.739
each other's senseless in the face to get colour back into their

1045
00:39:58.739 --> 00:40:00.119
faces on vacation.

1046
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:00.719
Right?

1047
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.320
Yeah, but then they kept doing it in the studio and it just got

1048
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:04.739
awkward.

1049
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:06.719
Get a room, guys.

1050
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:10.380
Just brought back horrible memories of Monster of Paladon

1051
00:40:10.380 --> 00:40:10.679
probably.

1052
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.380
No, Etis.

1053
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:13.860
No.

1054
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:19.920
Yeah, why didn't they bring back Terry Walsh for the anniversary

1055
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:20.340
special?

1056
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:21.659
He's just as important.

1057
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.340
That would have been awesome.

1058
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.260
Look at Pete.

1059
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.480
I love Pete running. dressing to the left.

1060
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.920
Yep Pooey.

1061
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.619
It's a matter of...

1062
00:40:34.619 --> 00:40:36.059
That looks delighted to see him too.

1063
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:36.840
Did you see that?

1064
00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:39.119
I'm sorry, it's like, you know, we're walking up this hill and we

1065
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:39.900
haven't even looked over there.

1066
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:41.159
Like he's just standing there, please.

1067
00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:42.179
Hey, so, you know what?

1068
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.659
To be honest, yesterday I was walking down a foot path and 3

1069
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:48.900
people from work passed me and called out to be after they'd

1070
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:50.940
passed me and I didn't even notice them.

1071
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.380
So I don't mind that so much.

1072
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.500
What I do mind is that the doctor doesn't see this bloody side.

1073
00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:58.679
Spider-Man comes up and goes, and then goes away.

1074
00:40:58.739 --> 00:41:00.599
And in the special edition.

1075
00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:05.940
In the special edition, they cut out that R because it wasn't

1076
00:41:05.940 --> 00:41:06.780
deemed serious.

1077
00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:07.619
Oh, please.

1078
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.420
And these 2 didn't even see it.

1079
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.719
Yeah, exact, you know, you'd think those 2 at least.

1080
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.639
The Cybermen are hilarious in this, and it continues the tradition

1081
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.239
of having a super camp super posh side of the left-hand.

1082
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.880
And it's the one who goes, promises to an alien.

1083
00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:27.300
We have new military. is really great.

1084
00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:30.360
It is carry-on tea lots, isn't it?

1085
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.440
They've they've had to paint over the...

1086
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:35.760
There's a very short side, man.

1087
00:41:35.940 --> 00:41:38.460
You're wearing trainers or something.

1088
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:43.800
They've had to paint they've painted over the glass jaws by this

1089
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:43.980
point.

1090
00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:47.820
Was it only David Banks' assignment who had glass shore?

1091
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:48.480
No, all of them?

1092
00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:49.500
All of them originally.

1093
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.019
And if you look at close-ups here.

1094
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.099
I've got your yo-yo.

1095
00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.659
Yeah, I believe to regrade the film, they looked at the piping on

1096
00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:03.900
Pete's lapels and made it match the studio sequences and that was

1097
00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:07.500
kind of their touchstone because each shot has to be, well, each

1098
00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:08.940
camera has to be individually graded.

1099
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.460
Yeah, look out. in the other way.

1100
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:12.840
And now it's like...

1101
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:13.920
You can't just leave...

1102
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.000
What are you freaking yourself?

1103
00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:15.960
Not only that.

1104
00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:18.900
But when Tegan moves away, there's actually a cyberman between

1105
00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:23.400
Susan and Tegan and the doctor that they didn't notice and that

1106
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.900
didn't go after Susan and Tegan.

1107
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.920
Now, this is just a lovely, huge piece of cake and the fudgy icing

1108
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.539
is sinking into all the plot holes.

1109
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.400
That explosion was quite close. twice as big and a piece of

1110
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.920
shrapnel actually cut through Anthony Ainley's cloak.

1111
00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:38.820
Oh wow.

1112
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:40.920
You know, and and...

1113
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:45.360
That's enormous Anthony Ainley was terrified of all the explosions

1114
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:45.840
and whatnot.

1115
00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:47.880
He insisted on doing it himself because he was a professional

1116
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:49.139
but...

1117
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:49.920
Yeah.

1118
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:51.119
Yeah, very nice.

1119
00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:54.900
And oh, in the special edition, they get Paul Jericho to say, we're

1120
00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:56.039
bringing him in, blah, blah, blah.

1121
00:42:56.099 --> 00:42:57.000
It's like, you don't need to.

1122
00:42:57.059 --> 00:42:57.840
He presses the button.

1123
00:42:57.900 --> 00:42:59.400
And this is wonderful too.

1124
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:01.920
And the practical light on him.

1125
00:43:01.980 --> 00:43:04.380
His delivery is really good.

1126
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.179
Well, come on.

1127
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:07.500
Come on, Susan. trip over nothing.

1128
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.139
I'm the one in the stupid shoes and I'm so faster than you.

1129
00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:13.679
That's why he dumped you.

1130
00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:18.000
You know, they could have had the shot like that and you don't

1131
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:22.079
actually see what she trips over, but it's a sh, it's a shrub.

1132
00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:25.139
She slowly lowers herself to the ground as well, doesn't she?

1133
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.219
He had a great shot.

1134
00:43:26.219 --> 00:43:29.099
With the hand and all that, and then it's followed up with that.

1135
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.440
And that, you know, that's the story of Peter Moffatt, really.

1136
00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:32.699
See, even that I think I like that.

1137
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:33.239
Yeah.

1138
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:37.559
This is not an equity member. love it.

1139
00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:38.219
I do too.

1140
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:38.940
I love it.

1141
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:39.900
How can you not love it?

1142
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.059
If you like cake, you like this.

1143
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:42.599
Yeah.

1144
00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:45.900
I like being drunk with your and getting away from your relatives

1145
00:43:45.900 --> 00:43:47.099
at Christmas and to watch this.

1146
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:47.940
You love this.

1147
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:52.320
It's a great way of clearing a room to put this on.

1148
00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:55.380
Everyone goes under, but we do it every Christmas.

1149
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:56.460
Yes, dear we do.

1150
00:43:56.940 --> 00:43:59.940
Are we going to do a dimensions in time commentary?

1151
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.380
I think we should.

1152
00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:02.820
I've never seen it.

1153
00:44:02.940 --> 00:44:04.260
Yes, you have.

1154
00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:05.519
I've not seen it.

1155
00:44:05.579 --> 00:44:06.300
Little bits of it.

1156
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:08.219
But then it's not very long anyway, is it?

1157
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.099
It feels weird the 1st doctor saying trans mat as well.

1158
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:12.539
Yes, it's wrong.

1159
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.460
He never said trans anything, did he?

1160
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:15.659
wasn't up for any of that.

1161
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.480
No, he's a miserable old person.

1162
00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:18.960
You.

1163
00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:20.340
Oi, you, hello.

1164
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.039
You could be my new granddaughter.

1165
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:25.199
You know, I swapped them out quite frequently.

1166
00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:29.280
Oh dear.

1167
00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:32.039
This changes things. ain't got no hat.

1168
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:35.159
Look, I mean, this is better than Arc of Infinity, but yeah, but

1169
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.079
so yeah, that's right. moscopy.

1170
00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:37.739
That's it.

1171
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.659
That's it. death by embolism.

1172
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.840
But it's still very leaden, isn't it?

1173
00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:44.280
Lots of people sitting around.

1174
00:44:44.340 --> 00:44:46.440
Well, how can they outact those columns?

1175
00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:51.000
At least it's really, it's Radio City musical...

1176
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.679
Bag Olympics.

1177
00:44:52.739 --> 00:44:56.099
At least the space college. table on a table, all that.

1178
00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:58.860
There's a bit more going on than that awful room that they had in

1179
00:44:58.860 --> 00:44:59.579
Arkham.

1180
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:00.539
Yeah, they're all sitting in rows.

1181
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.460
Yeah, there's depth of field.

1182
00:45:03.059 --> 00:45:03.719
Depth of field.

1183
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:04.500
Like here.

1184
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:08.159
You know, and the thing is, Doctor Who so often you have the

1185
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:11.880
proscenium arch approach, which looks artificial on television, but

1186
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:14.699
this is a believable layout of people in a room.

1187
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.039
Well, there are Atari Games Master.

1188
00:45:17.099 --> 00:45:19.260
It really is great, isn't it?

1189
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:23.039
And Paul Jericho is knocking it out of the park today.

1190
00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:24.480
I love that.

1191
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.000
But Flavia is stealing everything.

1192
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:33.300
You know that sound that everyone says of the of the Dark Tower

1193
00:45:33.300 --> 00:45:35.699
was the Queen Mary's horn put through.

1194
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:36.300
It is not.

1195
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.179
It's just flavia making asides.

1196
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:40.320
Really?

1197
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.400
the antechamber.

1198
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.579
She says, and then they just sample that.

1199
00:45:45.539 --> 00:45:48.119
You gave him...

1200
00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:48.539
Yeah.

1201
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.760
Sorry, oh, I got it right.

1202
00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:57.000
It a lie. his voice got up a little bit.

1203
00:45:57.059 --> 00:45:58.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1204
00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:01.019
I mean, look, he looks so hurt as well, but the doctor wants

1205
00:46:01.019 --> 00:46:01.500
revenge.

1206
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.619
I think Flavi is just thinking about the begoni as she and Pamela

1207
00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:05.820
Salem are going to play.

1208
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.719
And does he wants revenge because Maxwell was so mean to him.

1209
00:46:09.780 --> 00:46:10.980
Maxwell's regenerated.

1210
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:11.579
There he is.

1211
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.880
They did ask Colin to come back, but he was unavailable.

1212
00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:16.619
Had they cast it?

1213
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:17.460
don't know.

1214
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.460
Oh, yeah, the news was out.

1215
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this was out.

1216
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.739
Yeah, so I think they didn't bring him back because they knew he

1217
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:26.340
was.

1218
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:28.739
Because he wears that lovely, what we all assume sixth doctor

1219
00:46:28.739 --> 00:46:32.519
costume in the 20th anniversary special, that charming seasucker

1220
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.940
suit, so to speak, and Navy shirt and no.

1221
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.679
And even Nicola looked charming in that.

1222
00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:39.539
We were looking forward to it, weren't we?

1223
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.280
Oh, okay.

1224
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.679
Colourfully.

1225
00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:49.800
I did feel at the time it was so cold. doesn't it?

1226
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:54.900
I also like that he's wearing the same cosy that what's his face

1227
00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:57.780
wears at the beginning of Genesis of the Dalek.

1228
00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:58.800
Oh, he really is.

1229
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.559
Almost, except that's actually very court gestry, but you know.

1230
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.380
We decided it was death, wasn't it, from the 7th seal?

1231
00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:05.280
Yeah, it was.

1232
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.280
One metre away and had a private discussion.

1233
00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:11.579
This is the promises to aliens have no validity line.

1234
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:13.679
Yeah, it's very good.

1235
00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:14.760
I'm glad you brought that up.

1236
00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:17.820
If you want to look at filmic antecedents for this and what shot

1237
00:47:17.820 --> 00:47:18.539
on film, wasn't it?

1238
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:22.139
So if you want, then, yes, Bergman, but really, it's a really long

1239
00:47:22.139 --> 00:47:25.679
stretch to try and look for...

1240
00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:27.420
Oh, a bit of cyberacting.

1241
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.460
There's a lot of fist acting in this, so to speak, isn't there?

1242
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:33.059
Verusa.

1243
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.579
Well, we're not meant to know Sperusa is doing a lot of hand

1244
00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:37.079
acting over the games board.

1245
00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:39.239
Well, he picked it up from Hedden, you see.

1246
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.019
Yeah, I just love, right, that Carol Anne Ford left the show

1247
00:47:43.019 --> 00:47:44.880
because she was getting nothing interesting.

1248
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.900
And they'd bring it back to the 20th anniversary special.

1249
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.179
Twister, ankle, and locker up.

1250
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.960
All she gets to do is watch this bomb being built.

1251
00:47:55.019 --> 00:47:55.739
That scanner.

1252
00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:59.280
With the catering manager of the Tartars.

1253
00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:01.019
Oh, dear.

1254
00:48:01.019 --> 00:48:05.760
She probably went into Chameleon's his cupboard and started

1255
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:06.659
ordering him around.

1256
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:08.099
Looked like David Campbell.

1257
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.300
Do you know that is?

1258
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:11.579
So actually, Susan, she's knocked out in the kitchen.

1259
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.760
Well, I think we were going to, we had decided in our King's

1260
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:19.380
Demons episode that we were going to be identifying who Cameleon

1261
00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:21.239
was pretending to be in this story.

1262
00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:24.059
I think it's Tegan.

1263
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.000
It's Tegan because she manages to just walk across that

1264
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:27.780
checkerboard.

1265
00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:31.260
Like everybody else with absolutely no direction.

1266
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:32.340
Who?

1267
00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:35.639
I mean, he's really going back to Terry Nation's greatest hits

1268
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:39.239
with the Bath Mad of Doom from episode three's Death to the

1269
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:40.139
Dialects Cliffhanger.

1270
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.480
You know, when I watched this originally, and we're watching John

1271
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:45.659
and Liz obviously looking at scaling up the cliff face.

1272
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.039
I just kind of thought some of the dialogue with Liz was like, to

1273
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:51.599
me, it wasn't quite right with Sarah.

1274
00:48:51.659 --> 00:48:54.780
Like, I felt like it had been written for Joe. Like even then, I

1275
00:48:54.780 --> 00:48:56.519
kind of thought, would Sarah be like that?

1276
00:48:56.579 --> 00:48:57.360
I don't know.

1277
00:48:57.420 --> 00:48:59.639
I just thought there was something slightly off.

1278
00:49:00.420 --> 00:49:02.519
I love this thing.

1279
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:03.719
Oh, yeah.

1280
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:04.139
Yeah.

1281
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.980
The Russian Mario robot played by dancer Keith Hodiak.

1282
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.980
I love it. you know what it did. don't you?

1283
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:11.280
Sorry.

1284
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:14.579
Well, just he was... moves so beautifully.

1285
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:15.059
Yeah, yeah.

1286
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.320
And everyone noticed.

1287
00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:18.059
Well, he's a re-sprayed.

1288
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:22.320
Oh, yes, the things from the...

1289
00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:23.760
The boy version.

1290
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:27.000
Yeah, it's a cyber Android, which then is kind of visually

1291
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.000
confusing for any fan child saying, hang on, we've seen you just

1292
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:30.239
last year.

1293
00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:32.099
Well, it jumps in and out.

1294
00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:32.880
It's fantastic.

1295
00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:35.219
Did you know the problem?

1296
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.380
It was actually just resprayed.

1297
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:38.639
They didn't know to say it.

1298
00:49:38.699 --> 00:49:41.639
It really is silver resprayed to the point that they were having

1299
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:45.539
to hold a hairdryer on set on his crotch because it was a

1300
00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:51.000
different colour. because the paint was drying more slowly around

1301
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:52.380
his nether jumpers.

1302
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:53.460
And so, yes.

1303
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.159
And then they are watching the hand dry going on.

1304
00:49:56.219 --> 00:49:58.260
I'm gonna just say, he's his freezer again, freezer or dead.

1305
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.500
But then, like, every 5 seconds, well, well, actually, not now, but

1306
00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:03.420
he actually then moves his head moving.

1307
00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:06.420
Yeah, so, like, you know, is she going to be his shield when he's

1308
00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:07.019
steering through?

1309
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.199
He is comfy, comfortably right behind her, isn't he?

1310
00:50:10.260 --> 00:50:11.519
Oh, yeah.

1311
00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:13.619
You show her handies.

1312
00:50:13.739 --> 00:50:14.579
That's right.

1313
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.440
I'll outmouth you, girlfriend.

1314
00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:19.260
I will say that they make a good team, don't they?

1315
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.840
Well, I think it is a good choice to put both of them together.

1316
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:26.159
The costume designer on this episode does a wonderful job because

1317
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:31.440
the 1st 2nd of the 3rd doctor costumes are complete recreations

1318
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:32.340
and he's done those.

1319
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.619
Oh, his name's on the tip of my name. not June Hudson.

1320
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:36.300
I always wanted to be June Hudson.

1321
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.380
We're getting some really bad time on acting.

1322
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.440
And I do think there should be more things of wrestle on just

1323
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:47.340
generally in the show.

1324
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:49.199
What are you suggesting?

1325
00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:52.079
Well, I just think it really lifts it and gives it a mythic

1326
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:52.860
quality.

1327
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:53.219
You know?

1328
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.139
It's not...

1329
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:56.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1330
00:50:56.159 --> 00:51:01.199
Now, the 1st time the scrolls went off and caught fire.

1331
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:04.800
One of them fell out and Philip Latham stepped in just to bash it

1332
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.460
out, forgetting he was wearing silk gloves, which also caught

1333
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:08.880
fire.

1334
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:11.460
Here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go.

1335
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:12.719
Is it?

1336
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:18.780
Oh, here we go. not the mind pro.

1337
00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:26.159
And there are other takes of this that elsewhere on this DVD.

1338
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:28.559
You were such a bitch in the last story.

1339
00:51:28.619 --> 00:51:29.880
Bye.

1340
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:31.920
It's actually quite, I like that shot.

1341
00:51:31.980 --> 00:51:33.539
Anyway, I thought mind probes were easy.

1342
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.480
You just broke them by thinking about, you know, like a medusa

1343
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:37.980
with a leg and stuff like that.

1344
00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:39.900
Penny farthing bice.

1345
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah. seals, no walruses, walruses.

1346
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.420
The costume designer was Colin Levers.

1347
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:46.679
Hooray, Colin.

1348
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:47.579
Yeah, we're on.

1349
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:48.059
That's great.

1350
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:49.260
Yeah, that is terrific.

1351
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:57.840
Yeah, I think my favourite unused take is him saying, no, not the

1352
00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:59.760
mind probe.

1353
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:01.079
Oh, really?

1354
00:52:01.139 --> 00:52:02.940
There was an even more over the top.

1355
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:03.780
Yeah, yeah.

1356
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:05.039
He kind of says all the making off.

1357
00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:07.079
There's no way you can deliver that line.

1358
00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:15.719
Yeah, just like they have time for this, but they don't have time

1359
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.699
to give Susan anything to do.

1360
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.280
Yeah, looks like Pete's wearing blush in this scene.

1361
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.199
I think we've got the...

1362
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.079
I think that we've got the colour turned up too high, probably.

1363
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:29.880
No, I think that actually, yes, colour rendering on film is

1364
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:30.900
very...

1365
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.300
This is some... videotape, though.

1366
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:34.139
Oh, this is true.

1367
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:38.579
I mean, they do they do grade the videotape as well for these

1368
00:52:38.579 --> 00:52:39.239
DVDs.

1369
00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:39.840
Yeah, yeah.

1370
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.199
Something I forgot to mention earlier.

1371
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:48.599
They did actually get Heather Hartnell's approval to recast.

1372
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.179
The role, yes, I think. remember hearing that.

1373
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:57.840
Yeah, but sadly, on another note, Richard's not on, Richard

1374
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.320
Herndle's not on screen at the moment, but he died not long after

1375
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:01.619
this.

1376
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:04.800
He died in 1983 before his payment had come through.

1377
00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:07.260
Yeah, it was so soon.

1378
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.000
Yeah, so did they, did they like...

1379
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:09.840
Sorry, in the check?

1380
00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:10.800
He died in 1984.

1381
00:53:10.980 --> 00:53:12.119
I don't think they did.

1382
00:53:12.179 --> 00:53:13.440
I think it went to his family.

1383
00:53:14.219 --> 00:53:18.059
They would have cancelled the check and spend it on a tractator

1384
00:53:18.059 --> 00:53:18.300
probably.

1385
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:19.800
Is it?

1386
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:20.820
Now, is it in honour?

1387
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.480
Isn't the lighting in this scene amazing?

1388
00:53:24.539 --> 00:53:27.000
Because the costume was incomplete.

1389
00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:28.559
What?

1390
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.059
It doesn't have the beak.

1391
00:53:30.059 --> 00:53:31.320
It only has one hand.

1392
00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:32.400
It doesn't have the feet.

1393
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:34.559
Which costume is it?

1394
00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:35.760
the 1st one or the 2nd one?

1395
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:37.619
I believe it's the 2nd one.

1396
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:41.159
But with the 1st claw, because that's all they could find.

1397
00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:46.199
You get a better look at it on one of the special features on the

1398
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:49.320
DVD, a Blue Peter special feature where its feet appear to be

1399
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:49.860
slippers.

1400
00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:53.820
I mean, it makes no sense.

1401
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.739
They're animated by the great intelligence.

1402
00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:58.440
They're not just a generic monster, but essentially no one who's

1403
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.199
watching the show now is likely to ever remember that.

1404
00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:02.760
We know, don't be.

1405
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.500
Yes, I'm going to write to the BBC.

1406
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:06.300
I love how it runs away.

1407
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:07.739
It's a Gary Glitter.

1408
00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:10.380
But it's back with that explosion.

1409
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:11.699
And the raw.

1410
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:13.199
The fabulous roar that it does.

1411
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:14.159
It is terrific.

1412
00:54:14.219 --> 00:54:17.159
Do you remember Marty the monster from one of those?

1413
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.880
Purple creature from one of the Channel 10 morning kids show.

1414
00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:21.360
Yeah, yeah.

1415
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:22.860
It looks like a bit like a Yeshi.

1416
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.260
All sort of spongy and that sort of thing.

1417
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:26.699
Just reminds me of that.

1418
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:31.920
Now, the brigadier's line there of you've maddened it. has been

1419
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:36.480
pulled out a lot recently by Brexit supporter, Gareth Roberts on

1420
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.239
Twitter, when he gets into an argument with anyone about Brexit

1421
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:39.599
here.

1422
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:42.119
He'll often retweet them with, you've maddened it.

1423
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:45.539
That's Roberts or everyone else's responsible.

1424
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.579
No, that's Gareth, that's Gareth.

1425
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:48.420
Gareth Roberts.

1426
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:49.019
Wow.

1427
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:52.380
Sorry, hang on.

1428
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.360
Gareth Roberts is a supporter of Brexit.

1429
00:54:54.420 --> 00:54:55.559
Yeah, so let's not go there.

1430
00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:59.280
That, that, that, I'm, that's on public record.

1431
00:54:59.340 --> 00:55:01.079
That is how he presents himself.

1432
00:55:01.139 --> 00:55:03.179
Actually, all good reasons if you'd want to talk about, but we'll

1433
00:55:03.179 --> 00:55:04.800
probably we're doing a podcast, so...

1434
00:55:04.860 --> 00:55:07.500
I'm making the lightning bolt motif.

1435
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.800
It's terribly Rocky Horror picture shows, isn't it?

1436
00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:12.420
But I like how they just find this by accident.

1437
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.079
Well, no, no, the doctor did come in saying there's 3 doors.

1438
00:55:16.139 --> 00:55:20.219
Oh, no, but how would you find, you know, Oh, yeah, they just...

1439
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.199
Yeah, they just happened to get caved into the book.

1440
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:23.460
But how does he know?

1441
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:24.780
from the old times.

1442
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.739
No one in gut on gut, the capital knows about.

1443
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.079
Well, no, he says he says there was a nursery rhyme.

1444
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.000
Yeah, well, about the dark town.

1445
00:55:33.059 --> 00:55:34.679
He was there, wasn't it?

1446
00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:37.079
Yeah, he's much older.

1447
00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:37.679
Oh my gosh.

1448
00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:40.380
Look, it's a thing and some piping.

1449
00:55:40.739 --> 00:55:45.539
So, were they was floaty with balls?

1450
00:55:45.659 --> 00:55:47.639
Was this time scooped in as well?

1451
00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:49.079
Yeah, yeah.

1452
00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:49.920
Okay.

1453
00:55:49.980 --> 00:55:54.059
Isn't too much more of this, but you're going to move your head.

1454
00:55:54.179 --> 00:55:56.519
Again, and stand in front of me.

1455
00:55:56.579 --> 00:56:00.900
Isn't Barusa's aim to actually get the doctors there to butter up

1456
00:56:00.900 --> 00:56:03.539
Barusa, so to speak, so that he will get immortality.

1457
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:05.280
Why is he making it this much harder?

1458
00:56:05.340 --> 00:56:08.280
No, he's getting, he's...

1459
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.400
That really hurt.

1460
00:56:11.460 --> 00:56:16.619
Oh, it does move beautifully and it's a little bit sexy.

1461
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:19.079
Liz can't take her eyes off of it.

1462
00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:21.119
Wasn't this whole sequence directed by John Nathan Turner?

1463
00:56:21.179 --> 00:56:21.659
Yes, it was.

1464
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.539
Yes, it was, which is why it moves very closely and there's a lot

1465
00:56:24.539 --> 00:56:27.179
of shots of the, where the hairdryers just been.

1466
00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:30.599
There are a lot of shots of where the hairdressers are.

1467
00:56:30.659 --> 00:56:33.659
And I just I just noticed when when the cyber leader came up the

1468
00:56:33.659 --> 00:56:36.599
hill and noticed the 1st dead side manny sort of jerk's like, oh.

1469
00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:39.480
But they keep coming.

1470
00:56:39.539 --> 00:56:41.400
They won't be determined.

1471
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:42.659
Well filmed, isn't it?

1472
00:56:42.659 --> 00:56:43.860
JNT is not a bad director.

1473
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:44.639
This is really great.

1474
00:56:44.699 --> 00:56:49.139
Now, this scene came about because this was the last scene to be

1475
00:56:49.139 --> 00:56:49.980
written, I believe.

1476
00:56:50.099 --> 00:56:51.119
That whole back is great.

1477
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:51.659
Yeah, yeah.

1478
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.719
This is the last scene to be written because Eric Saywood called

1479
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:58.199
Terence Dixon said, look, we've done a timing.

1480
00:56:58.260 --> 00:57:00.119
We're running about 3 minutes behind.

1481
00:57:00.179 --> 00:57:01.980
I think John gets there too easily.

1482
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.500
This is a mouthful of cold tea, by the way.

1483
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:08.280
He said, I think John gets to the tower too easily.

1484
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:09.599
So we need an obstacle for John.

1485
00:57:09.659 --> 00:57:14.099
It needs to use stuff we already have, it needs to be exciting

1486
00:57:14.099 --> 00:57:16.139
dynamic, and above all cheap.

1487
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.119
And unnecessarily violent.

1488
00:57:18.179 --> 00:57:20.940
Well, the time, Eric, say, would.

1489
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:24.059
Well, the unnecessary violence actually came from Terrence Dicks

1490
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:26.579
because terrorist Dicks were so sick of the rewrites and so sick

1491
00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:28.380
of the cybermen that he's like, right.

1492
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:33.119
Here's a guy in a silver spandex suit, killing all the cybermen.

1493
00:57:33.179 --> 00:57:35.760
You have to think that he didn't write.

1494
00:57:35.820 --> 00:57:38.760
Lots of scenes where they get beheaded and have their arms shot

1495
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:41.460
off and they're vomiting cold tea out of their face.

1496
00:57:41.579 --> 00:57:43.619
No, he probably just wrote, there's a fight.

1497
00:57:43.739 --> 00:57:44.639
They fall over.

1498
00:57:45.059 --> 00:57:46.440
Okay.

1499
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:49.079
The Terry Nation School of writing a script.

1500
00:57:49.139 --> 00:57:51.599
It's supposed to have some death and destruction. after the year

1501
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.280
we've just brought. true, yes.

1502
00:57:53.340 --> 00:57:55.380
You were doing it for you, Tom.

1503
00:57:56.579 --> 00:58:00.360
God, the daycor, I'm galafre is lame, isn't it?

1504
00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:01.320
For God's sake.

1505
00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:05.280
I can't wait until John Hurt blows the place arm.

1506
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.019
Or doesn't.

1507
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:11.639
I still think this is better than... whatever it's called.

1508
00:58:11.699 --> 00:58:13.380
I do preggies?

1509
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.500
I don't think it's just, it's not a flattering costume.

1510
00:58:17.219 --> 00:58:19.199
Empire line, isn't it?

1511
00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:21.119
Oh, still doing sideies.

1512
00:58:21.179 --> 00:58:24.659
We just actually missed something returning from the heart and era

1513
00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:27.000
which is the plastic lined fountain from the Romans.

1514
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:28.739
Ah, yes. plastic lined.

1515
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:29.460
Oh, nice.

1516
00:58:29.460 --> 00:58:30.480
Glass shot.

1517
00:58:30.539 --> 00:58:31.619
That is pretty, isn't it?

1518
00:58:32.699 --> 00:58:35.039
She looks like a bond girl there.

1519
00:58:35.099 --> 00:58:39.119
Can I just say, if I was a Dr. 2 companion and I had to go across

1520
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.239
a flying clocks across that, I would have probably let go and been

1521
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:45.000
killed. no way I would have done it.

1522
00:58:45.059 --> 00:58:46.920
You would be going and why do we care?

1523
00:58:46.980 --> 00:58:50.400
Like none of us at home watching can remember why we're going

1524
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:50.639
there.

1525
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:53.699
I fell off a flying fox once at school care.

1526
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:55.739
It's an entry coder.

1527
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:56.099
Sorry.

1528
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:56.880
Go on, Tom.

1529
00:58:56.940 --> 00:58:57.900
How does she know that?

1530
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.599
Yeah, how does he know what a transmitter is?

1531
00:59:00.659 --> 00:59:01.920
How does she know what an entry coder is?

1532
00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:03.000
Oh, you're crazy.

1533
00:59:03.059 --> 00:59:03.719
That'll never work.

1534
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.539
Your words are spoken.

1535
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:10.079
Now, there's in the in the special edition, there's a bit here

1536
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.739
where Sarah tries to throw a rocket at pursuing side man. just

1537
00:59:13.739 --> 00:59:16.019
makes her look like an idiot. is hilarious.

1538
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:17.219
It is hilarious.

1539
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.980
She just throws it and she says, Missed.

1540
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:22.260
I must go home and watch that version.

1541
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:23.940
I really don't remember seeing it.

1542
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:24.840
Every resources.

1543
00:59:24.900 --> 00:59:25.380
Look at that.

1544
00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:26.519
They fall down in the middle.

1545
00:59:26.820 --> 00:59:29.940
Oh, a little bit of tension.

1546
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:31.380
Was this a cliffhanger?

1547
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:32.940
No, this wasn't a cliffhanger.

1548
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.059
Actually, I think we've missed wherever the 2nd cliffhanger was.

1549
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.460
I do remember very well where the 3rd one is, and I'll point it

1550
00:59:38.460 --> 00:59:41.639
out. because it's curiously undramatic, but I can't remember the

1551
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:42.059
2nd one.

1552
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:43.019
Oh, it was.

1553
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:43.440
It was.

1554
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.119
I liked all this like...

1555
00:59:45.179 --> 00:59:47.579
I love all of her little moans and greens.

1556
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.579
But it is very typically Sarah. you know, Sarah's back.

1557
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:54.599
So they're climbing the ramparts of the tower now. have to dangle

1558
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:55.079
her off things.

1559
00:59:55.139 --> 00:59:56.519
Yeah, you're bum.

1560
00:59:56.579 --> 00:59:58.920
Yes, lots of gratuitous Sarah Bumshite.

1561
00:59:58.980 --> 01:00:00.239
That's quite nice bum too, actually.

1562
01:00:00.300 --> 01:00:04.260
Oh, and a little bit of naughty skirty shot there too.

1563
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:10.019
I mean, the only Sarah isms that are missing, uh, she doesn't get

1564
01:00:10.019 --> 01:00:13.619
possessed and she doesn't, she doesn't say, cut.

1565
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.559
Oh, we miss you, Liz.

1566
01:00:19.619 --> 01:00:21.059
We miss her so much.

1567
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.000
Some of those shots are a bit dodgy, don't you think, with the

1568
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:24.360
town?

1569
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:26.099
The license is all wrong.

1570
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:28.739
I am feeling that most of my friends are dead.

1571
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:29.639
You know what?

1572
01:00:29.699 --> 01:00:31.739
Never say never again we watched last night.

1573
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:33.420
We commented on the blue screen in that.

1574
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.900
I wouldn't say these blue screen shots for any words. almost same

1575
01:00:36.900 --> 01:00:37.320
year, yeah.

1576
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:37.739
Yep.

1577
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:39.960
Oh, it is the same one.

1578
01:00:40.019 --> 01:00:41.039
Big in it.

1579
01:00:41.099 --> 01:00:42.179
So what have they done?

1580
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:44.760
All they've done is lifted it up and moved it nearer the piping.

1581
01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:46.380
It's worth the piping over here.

1582
01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:50.219
It's either that scene with the bomb or the previous scene with

1583
01:00:50.219 --> 01:00:51.599
the bomb was the 2nd cliffhanger.

1584
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:56.760
Okay, so now it's a lovely Marley Lino floor we've just put in.

1585
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:59.820
This makes no sense at all.

1586
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:04.260
But wait, but Terrence used it really convincingly. in debt to the

1587
01:01:04.260 --> 01:01:05.039
dance, right?

1588
01:01:05.099 --> 01:01:07.739
Thank goodness that he manages to get them, you know?

1589
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.440
So I, this is my head cannon, right?

1590
01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:16.079
This is designed to keep non-time lords out of the tower, right?

1591
01:01:16.139 --> 01:01:22.619
So we discover a giant pattern where you have to go 3.14159265 or

1592
01:01:22.619 --> 01:01:22.860
whatever.

1593
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:26.400
And, you know, he works it all out.

1594
01:01:26.460 --> 01:01:30.179
It's all pie, but then he just strolls straight across the thing.

1595
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:32.460
Yeah, appalling...

1596
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:34.380
Yeah. so and so does the master.

1597
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.360
I mean he does a little bit of a leap about the place.

1598
01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:39.360
I love the fact, Anthony Anley is now getting to act with the 1st

1599
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:39.719
doctor.

1600
01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:41.280
Yeah, it's exciting.

1601
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:45.360
It's like the pretend crappy master meets the pretend crappy 1st

1602
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:45.780
time.

1603
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:53.039
But you know, as a kid, like whenever you see them.

1604
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.139
Sorry, Todd, go on.

1605
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.440
As a kid, like, you know, you'd play games where you'd try and

1606
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:01.320
avoid the cracks in the pavement for all lines for weeks.

1607
01:02:01.380 --> 01:02:02.940
Yeah, beautiful. so here.

1608
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.639
It's like when I was watching this even as a kid. no, don't step

1609
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:06.059
on the lines.

1610
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:08.039
You've got to step inside the little boxes, you know?

1611
01:02:08.099 --> 01:02:08.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1612
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:18.119
Now, I believe Terrence's concept for using pie to solve it was so

1613
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:21.000
pie being 3.14, et cetera, et cetera.

1614
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.579
So on the 1st row, you step on the 3rd time.

1615
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:27.539
On the 2nd row, you step on the 1st tile, et cetera, et cetera.

1616
01:02:27.659 --> 01:02:29.400
But it doesn't.

1617
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.400
But no, it, well, I also, that's hard.

1618
01:02:32.460 --> 01:02:33.179
Yeah.

1619
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:34.800
Five to nine. hard.

1620
01:02:34.860 --> 01:02:36.119
Yeah, yeah, no, I wonder.

1621
01:02:36.179 --> 01:02:38.340
3.14159.

1622
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:39.000
Yeah.

1623
01:02:39.059 --> 01:02:39.960
So, yeah.

1624
01:02:40.019 --> 01:02:41.460
What I...

1625
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:44.159
We're going to get from 9 to 2 after that, actually.

1626
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:49.920
What I thought it was as a kid because, you know, the master just

1627
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:51.539
sort of wanders along in a straight line.

1628
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:55.980
Is it somehow the figure, it's on a timer system, was my theory as

1629
01:02:55.980 --> 01:02:56.400
a kid.

1630
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.820
And somehow the figure for pie tells you when it's safe to cross.

1631
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:01.139
So it's not a matter of a safe path.

1632
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.559
It's a matter of the lasers aren't always active.

1633
01:03:05.219 --> 01:03:07.619
Yeah, that's a good point.

1634
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:12.119
Yeah, see, this is more, and they do, it does cause them to lower

1635
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:14.340
themselves gently to the ground again.

1636
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:18.000
And they're really tall, thin side and then staggers back.

1637
01:03:18.059 --> 01:03:19.139
We have another massacre.

1638
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:19.800
Yes.

1639
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:22.079
He's still breathing, though. okay.

1640
01:03:22.139 --> 01:03:23.039
Oh, betrayed.

1641
01:03:23.099 --> 01:03:23.579
No, no.

1642
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:26.699
Yeah, no, he's going on Shakespearean on us here, isn't he?

1643
01:03:27.659 --> 01:03:30.960
Maybe you're all dead, but...

1644
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:36.480
I actually think that Anthony Ainley and the master have a good

1645
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:37.260
turn in this story.

1646
01:03:37.380 --> 01:03:39.960
Yeah, compared to our last few outings.

1647
01:03:40.019 --> 01:03:42.059
Yeah, I mean, he's a...

1648
01:03:42.059 --> 01:03:42.719
He is terrible.

1649
01:03:42.780 --> 01:03:47.639
But, I mean, because this is such a cartoon, it's nice to have

1650
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:48.539
him.

1651
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.820
And I really like what happens to him at the end.

1652
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:51.659
I think that's really fun.

1653
01:03:51.900 --> 01:03:54.840
It's his best performance since Lagopolis, I think.

1654
01:03:55.139 --> 01:03:58.800
It's his best performance as the master since Lagopolis, because I

1655
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:01.320
think still his best performances are Tree Mass and the

1656
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:01.980
Portreeve.

1657
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:09.179
Yeah I love how the 1st doctor actually looks really horrified by

1658
01:04:09.179 --> 01:04:11.159
what's just happened to the cybermen.

1659
01:04:11.219 --> 01:04:12.300
Yeah.

1660
01:04:12.900 --> 01:04:17.760
So these are the last scenes with, um, these are the last scenes

1661
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:20.880
with Janet and sorry, Tegan versus the Master, really.

1662
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:22.800
Like, this is her life. that's true.

1663
01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:23.699
Last time she meets him?

1664
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:25.320
Yeah, yeah, a meeting story, obviously.

1665
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:27.780
It's as easy as pie.

1666
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:28.500
I love pie.

1667
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:34.079
I don't know, I think he isn't going to recognise him. that is

1668
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:34.320
great.

1669
01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:37.199
It was his brother, but he can't remember it.

1670
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:39.840
Been watching too many soaps.

1671
01:04:39.900 --> 01:04:43.860
I actually think Anthony only when he goes across the board

1672
01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:46.320
actually makes an effort to actually do something a bit different

1673
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:46.980
every time.

1674
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:50.699
Whereas I just find with whatever they said to Richard Handel, oh

1675
01:04:50.699 --> 01:04:52.679
you're feeling a bit tired, just shuffle across, you know.

1676
01:04:52.739 --> 01:04:56.340
Well, I'm worried that there's like a cyberman like lying across

1677
01:04:56.340 --> 01:04:57.840
the one that you have to train.

1678
01:04:57.900 --> 01:05:00.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like I can't get on that one because

1679
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:01.980
there's like a dead cyberman.

1680
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:07.199
Could they clamber from dead Cyberman to dead Cyberman without

1681
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:08.099
touching the thing?

1682
01:05:08.219 --> 01:05:11.760
Actually, that would have been a great, great, a great way to do

1683
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:12.059
it.

1684
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:13.559
Any of them moving?

1685
01:05:13.619 --> 01:05:14.400
I'm trying to.

1686
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:17.519
Oh, that one laughed. over there.

1687
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:20.639
Whatever.

1688
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:21.119
Whatever.

1689
01:05:21.179 --> 01:05:22.260
I'll just tread on any of them.

1690
01:05:22.260 --> 01:05:22.679
Now.

1691
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.739
You walking exactly as I just wants to kill it.

1692
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:27.179
Yeah, I like her face there.

1693
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:28.079
That's nice.

1694
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:30.960
And you see, he says now as if it's a timed thing.

1695
01:05:31.019 --> 01:05:33.900
And I always wanted as a kid.

1696
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:35.340
I always wanted that scene to end with.

1697
01:05:35.460 --> 01:05:37.079
No, you've done waited too long now.

1698
01:05:37.139 --> 01:05:37.559
Wait again.

1699
01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:38.460
Oh God.

1700
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.639
This is, yeah, you're all screwed.

1701
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.099
Oh, dear.

1702
01:05:44.099 --> 01:05:46.019
Sucky...

1703
01:05:46.019 --> 01:05:47.940
Oh, bald spot, come over.

1704
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:51.900
Pong.

1705
01:05:51.900 --> 01:05:56.880
I do love those curtain column things.

1706
01:05:56.940 --> 01:05:59.460
Space columns there, great, aren't they?

1707
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:00.960
It's very Flash Gordon, and that's the point.

1708
01:06:01.019 --> 01:06:02.760
It meant to feel like an RKO 30s.

1709
01:06:02.820 --> 01:06:05.099
Very Castra valve and it's a nice thing that they're doing it.

1710
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:06.179
Probably.

1711
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:07.739
Nice lettuce.

1712
01:06:08.699 --> 01:06:12.960
Pete does spend a lot of his time as the doctor touching things

1713
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:13.679
doesn't he?

1714
01:06:13.739 --> 01:06:15.840
And just sort of wandering from place to place.

1715
01:06:15.900 --> 01:06:18.599
Which is risky because as we just saw, one of those plinths

1716
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:20.400
wobbled as soon as he does.

1717
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:22.800
Look, it's the hats all the time.

1718
01:06:23.699 --> 01:06:27.300
They would never have had enough momentum to get up the other end

1719
01:06:27.300 --> 01:06:28.139
of that, would they?

1720
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.420
It's so long, it's much longer.

1721
01:06:30.420 --> 01:06:31.860
She's still hanging in the middle being miserable.

1722
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:35.760
The original concept was that he was going to make a hang glider

1723
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:36.539
out of his cape.

1724
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.159
Which is why he took the Raston Warrior robot speary thing.

1725
01:06:41.219 --> 01:06:47.280
And I believe everyone involved, including John, just said, um...

1726
01:06:47.579 --> 01:06:48.960
Yeah.

1727
01:06:49.019 --> 01:06:51.179
Not that John had any objection to hang gliding.

1728
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:54.000
He's just kind of like, there's a certain... would have been

1729
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:54.480
fantastic.

1730
01:06:54.539 --> 01:06:57.960
It's as good as Adam West in Batman, which is really who the 3rd

1731
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:00.840
doctor is when he's not being...

1732
01:07:00.900 --> 01:07:03.239
Although everyone's doing big hair, aren't they?

1733
01:07:03.300 --> 01:07:05.460
See, to me, to me, Sarah's reaction here.

1734
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:05.940
I don't know.

1735
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.980
I just kind of think it's more Joe than Sarah.

1736
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:08.699
I don't know.

1737
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:09.840
Yeah, girly.

1738
01:07:09.900 --> 01:07:11.219
I want to be critical of it.

1739
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:16.619
I mean, I love Liz, but speaking of, was Joe ever considered to be

1740
01:07:16.619 --> 01:07:17.039
in it?

1741
01:07:17.099 --> 01:07:21.659
So the original consideration was Susan, Jamie, Joe and the Brig

1742
01:07:21.659 --> 01:07:22.199
and Sarah.

1743
01:07:22.260 --> 01:07:22.800
Right.

1744
01:07:22.860 --> 01:07:23.880
All right, here we go.

1745
01:07:23.940 --> 01:07:24.480
Here we go.

1746
01:07:24.539 --> 01:07:25.679
Phantoms.

1747
01:07:25.739 --> 01:07:27.780
He's looking pretty, he's looking all right.

1748
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:29.760
Yes, I guess that'd have been...

1749
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:30.300
Almost 10 years.

1750
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:30.840
Really?

1751
01:07:30.900 --> 01:07:32.280
Like a herring in aspect.

1752
01:07:32.340 --> 01:07:33.420
And Liz.

1753
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:34.019
Hooray.

1754
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:34.619
Carrie John.

1755
01:07:35.579 --> 01:07:37.800
She should get unrecognisable.

1756
01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:41.519
But again, like a lot of people haven't seen her by this day.

1757
01:07:41.579 --> 01:07:44.519
Also, no one's only in every year than the fans.

1758
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:52.980
Now, of course, you know, we did discuss at the time, apparently

1759
01:07:52.980 --> 01:07:56.039
John and Carrie, got on okay, but there was tension between them

1760
01:07:56.039 --> 01:08:00.239
during the rehearsal for this because these scenes were kind of

1761
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:02.519
who's available on what day, get him in the studio, rehearse

1762
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:02.880
record.

1763
01:08:02.940 --> 01:08:07.199
Um, As I always, wait a 2nd because we get a great moment from

1764
01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:08.099
Carrie John here.

1765
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:13.800
I, there's a little bit of fabulous running away from John as

1766
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:13.920
well.

1767
01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:17.460
I actually think that was really them.

1768
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:18.659
Do you know what I mean?

1769
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.000
Like they found themselves in the dark town.

1770
01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:23.939
They talked actually about how much they hated John.

1771
01:08:25.140 --> 01:08:28.619
Decided they'd prank him.

1772
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:30.300
She's done her ass and she came in.

1773
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:31.140
I would say you would.

1774
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.119
Oh, come over dryer of wrestleon.

1775
01:08:33.180 --> 01:08:33.600
Yes, yeah.

1776
01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:36.300
Well, it's almost broke on the rest of Warriors.

1777
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:38.159
He's having a good pet.

1778
01:08:38.460 --> 01:08:39.659
This is such a... have another group.

1779
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:43.140
But yeah, so it was like reverse record.

1780
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:45.600
Carrie John came around the corner and did her 1st line, like

1781
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.180
something like, oh, there are 5 of you now, and John turned to

1782
01:08:48.180 --> 01:08:49.739
Peter Moffatt and said, is she really going to do it like that?

1783
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:56.100
And Peter Moffat just said, there was nothing wrong with that

1784
01:08:56.100 --> 01:08:56.340
John.

1785
01:08:56.939 --> 01:08:58.260
Wow.

1786
01:08:58.260 --> 01:09:02.039
And the way Carrie John tells it, she's like, I don't know if John

1787
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:04.800
was expecting something different and he was perfectly present to

1788
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:05.699
me for the rest of the time.

1789
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:07.260
But, you know, I hadn't acted in years.

1790
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:09.720
I was terrified when he said that and beat him off.

1791
01:09:09.779 --> 01:09:10.739
So I got my hair.

1792
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:12.539
I love you, John, but you gave me a fright.

1793
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:13.619
Wow.

1794
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.500
This is lovely as well.

1795
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:18.180
Fear itself is largely an illusion.

1796
01:09:18.300 --> 01:09:21.060
Yeah, he's got a bit of the sweetness there.

1797
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:23.039
And here comes the...

1798
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:24.180
I think he's a great person.

1799
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.039
Here comes the creeps.

1800
01:09:26.100 --> 01:09:27.060
Oh, I remember that.

1801
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:27.659
That's right.

1802
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:28.800
Stomping down some stairs.

1803
01:09:28.859 --> 01:09:34.380
Oh, some musical stairs because Peter Howell synced it up.

1804
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:37.140
Yeah, they like the stairs in big or in, yeah.

1805
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:42.060
Now, Fraser Hines, Emmerdale wouldn't release him to be fully in

1806
01:09:42.060 --> 01:09:42.600
the production.

1807
01:09:42.659 --> 01:09:45.180
So this is the only bit we get of Fraser, and they managed to get

1808
01:09:45.180 --> 01:09:47.699
Wendy in as well, who was pregnant with her daughter, Charlie.

1809
01:09:47.699 --> 01:09:48.300
Wow.

1810
01:09:48.300 --> 01:09:49.079
At this point, I believe.

1811
01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:49.859
Was she retired?

1812
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.180
They were so worried.

1813
01:09:51.180 --> 01:09:53.159
She was an agent, but...

1814
01:09:53.220 --> 01:09:54.720
Yes, in case she fell over.

1815
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.039
She's actually come as Noah's left hand.

1816
01:09:59.100 --> 01:10:03.420
We need to... famously, in that dress?

1817
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:04.800
No, it's a terrible outfit.

1818
01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:11.819
It even exists in when she, oh, isn't it nice to see Jamie looking

1819
01:10:11.819 --> 01:10:12.239
so old.

1820
01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:14.640
They've definitely all been travelling for it. doesn't she look

1821
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:14.880
great?

1822
01:10:14.939 --> 01:10:16.500
Yeah, she looks so good.

1823
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:18.420
I just want to roll her over and here I go.

1824
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:22.560
But continuity.

1825
01:10:22.619 --> 01:10:25.560
Well, yeah. originally the scene was written for Victoria.

1826
01:10:25.619 --> 01:10:29.159
And she was going to call him the brigadier, which would be the

1827
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:30.239
doctor's clue.

1828
01:10:30.300 --> 01:10:31.560
But you know why she wasn't available?

1829
01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.619
She was shooting an exciting new sitcom with Dave Allen.

1830
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:36.060
Is everyone enjoyed that one?

1831
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:37.859
No, I've never even heard.

1832
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:39.659
No, neither had Dave Allen.

1833
01:10:40.140 --> 01:10:41.640
Whoops.

1834
01:10:41.699 --> 01:10:42.420
Oh dear.

1835
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.239
I think she might just, you know, had a big night the night

1836
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:45.479
before.

1837
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.479
So yes, this makes no sense.

1838
01:10:48.539 --> 01:10:51.600
But look, canonically, there were comics at the time where the

1839
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:53.880
doctor was exiled to earth and working for the time lords before

1840
01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:54.779
he regenerated.

1841
01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:58.739
What if, when they take the regeneration out of time, they take

1842
01:10:58.739 --> 01:11:02.159
the entire regeneration out, not at a particular point, but they

1843
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:03.119
take...

1844
01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:04.079
It's like a distillation.

1845
01:11:04.140 --> 01:11:05.279
See, head cannon.

1846
01:11:05.340 --> 01:11:07.739
My thing is always that, you know, whenever they meet themselves

1847
01:11:07.739 --> 01:11:10.859
or in the presence of their other selves, things get muddled and

1848
01:11:10.859 --> 01:11:13.739
they don't remember it when they get back into their timestream

1849
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:14.939
remember a bit of it.

1850
01:11:15.899 --> 01:11:19.020
Yes, I met myself, but I don't really remember the details.

1851
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:19.800
They address.

1852
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.220
But then when they when they meet each other again, it all becomes

1853
01:11:23.220 --> 01:11:23.939
crystal clear.

1854
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.340
And so maybe it's the time thing.

1855
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:26.699
Yeah, yeah.

1856
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:28.680
He knows from the last time he met the 3rd doctor that that's

1857
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:29.159
what's happened.

1858
01:11:29.220 --> 01:11:33.359
So, but it is always a thing where this show wants to do

1859
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:37.619
continuity all the time increasingly now, but gets it wrong really

1860
01:11:37.619 --> 01:11:39.539
pretty much every time it tries.

1861
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:40.500
Yeah.

1862
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:47.460
So, yeah, the original lineups planned were, as I said, Susan with

1863
01:11:47.460 --> 01:11:51.720
the 1st doctor, Jamie with the 2nd doctor, the brigadier and Joe

1864
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:55.260
with the 3rd doctor, and there were, because the ABC were co

1865
01:11:54.659 --> 01:11:58.380
funding, there was some talk of paying to fly Katie over to the UK

1866
01:11:58.380 --> 01:12:02.399
but I think the funds weren't available, and at any rate, Katie

1867
01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:05.579
was working at the time needed, I think, on stage.

1868
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:09.060
And Liz was going to be with the 4th doctor, and that's what Liz

1869
01:12:09.060 --> 01:12:10.020
was told originally.

1870
01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:12.840
Sarah Jane. was going to be with the 4th doctor.

1871
01:12:12.899 --> 01:12:15.300
And then when Tom... very keen on that.

1872
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:16.020
Yeah, yeah.

1873
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:19.020
And he was also very keen that he was going to be the putative

1874
01:12:19.020 --> 01:12:21.300
villain in the original draft.

1875
01:12:21.420 --> 01:12:23.399
Yeah, I've always wanted to view that.

1876
01:12:23.460 --> 01:12:25.020
Because you always were, Tom.

1877
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.640
But yeah, so when Tom pulled out, they kind of went, well, hold on

1878
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:33.960
we can ripple Sarah back to John and everyone's been in this

1879
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:34.920
forever.

1880
01:12:34.979 --> 01:12:36.779
And okay, we don't have Fraser.

1881
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:37.500
Well, Pat.

1882
01:12:37.619 --> 01:12:39.359
Oh, do we know where these symbols come from?

1883
01:12:39.420 --> 01:12:40.439
Oh, oh, do we?

1884
01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:41.520
Fan boy, no.

1885
01:12:41.579 --> 01:12:44.159
The original making of Doctor Who from 1972.

1886
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:46.319
The designer was given a copy.

1887
01:12:46.380 --> 01:12:50.100
Malkis was given a copy of Uncle Malki's book.

1888
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:54.420
But it's like the empty set, Mew, cubed, you know, like it's

1889
01:12:54.420 --> 01:12:54.899
just...

1890
01:12:54.899 --> 01:12:56.760
No, they're random mathematical cinema.

1891
01:12:56.819 --> 01:13:00.119
The doctor's name is on that, by the way, from that book.

1892
01:13:00.180 --> 01:13:01.020
Sorry, Todd.

1893
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:03.840
No, no, I love I love all the Tegan and Sarah stuff in the

1894
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:04.079
background.

1895
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:05.760
Yes, they made the brigadier and I love that.

1896
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.619
They had that sequence in the book that they don't have here.

1897
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:09.359
Oh, what's that sequence?

1898
01:13:09.420 --> 01:13:11.760
Well, they talk about, you know, which doctor is witch and all

1899
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:12.000
that?

1900
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:12.840
Oh, nice.

1901
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:14.100
This is nice.

1902
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:15.479
See that's really, really good.

1903
01:13:15.539 --> 01:13:17.039
But he shouldn't know who Tegan is.

1904
01:13:17.100 --> 01:13:19.020
He's from his retirement dinner.

1905
01:13:19.260 --> 01:13:21.840
For him, this is before the school.

1906
01:13:21.899 --> 01:13:23.760
It was his retirement dinner.

1907
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:24.659
At the beginning.

1908
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:27.960
No, it is too. and the costumers got it right.

1909
01:13:28.020 --> 01:13:30.300
He's frocked up as 70s brig, yeah.

1910
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:30.600
Yeah.

1911
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.800
Well, I thought he'd grown his moustache back because he'd

1912
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.960
rediscovered himself in Modern Undead.

1913
01:13:37.020 --> 01:13:37.560
Yes.

1914
01:13:37.619 --> 01:13:37.979
Yeah.

1915
01:13:37.979 --> 01:13:40.380
I mean, maybe it's a reunited dinner.

1916
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:41.220
It was a reunion.

1917
01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:41.880
They say reunion.

1918
01:13:41.939 --> 01:13:43.260
I thought it was a retirement.

1919
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.920
What do we think of the floor of the studio here?

1920
01:13:46.979 --> 01:13:48.840
I think they've gone to a lot of trouble.

1921
01:13:48.899 --> 01:13:51.300
They said we're playing dodgums with the Dalek podcast.

1922
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:56.939
They've, you know, Rob dipped a couple of rags in black paint and

1923
01:13:56.939 --> 01:13:59.159
kind of just dragging around the place.

1924
01:13:59.220 --> 01:14:02.100
The non-billy is really nicking the scene, isn't he?

1925
01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:05.640
We'll just stand back here because, you know, it's not about us.

1926
01:14:05.699 --> 01:14:08.399
Well, even though we made your show watchable.

1927
01:14:10.739 --> 01:14:15.840
Reportedly, Richard Herndel was quite nervous because he really

1928
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:17.880
wanted to get it right. almost dead.

1929
01:14:17.939 --> 01:14:20.100
And almost dead. almost dead.

1930
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:24.899
I think he's a fine he's a fine actor. but that's okay.

1931
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:26.159
He's doing his own thing.

1932
01:14:26.220 --> 01:14:29.279
I agree with you, Nathan, that he doesn't quite have the level of

1933
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:32.340
warmth, but there is enough of Billy there.

1934
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:33.779
You know where that's coming from?

1935
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:36.960
That was JNT telling him to play it like this.

1936
01:14:37.020 --> 01:14:40.319
Yeah, you know, I think he kind of gave each of the old doctors a

1937
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:41.340
2 or 3 word.

1938
01:14:41.340 --> 01:14:43.619
Yeah, this is how you're playing. the grumpy one.

1939
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:44.579
Front Botomy.

1940
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.819
Yeah, but everyone everyone says that about the doctor at the

1941
01:14:47.819 --> 01:14:48.060
time.

1942
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:50.640
Well, because no one's watched it.

1943
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:53.100
And it's also because Dwoss, you know, there were 2 or 3 people in

1944
01:14:53.100 --> 01:14:54.600
Dwosses. exactly what it was always like.

1945
01:14:54.659 --> 01:14:55.500
Yeah, yeah.

1946
01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:58.079
There was a real kind of received fan wisdom about.

1947
01:14:58.140 --> 01:15:03.060
Yeah, which is entirely based on not having seen the show for...

1948
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.100
Like, you know, really, there's a lot of Pat's performance

1949
01:15:05.100 --> 01:15:05.460
missing.

1950
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.439
There's a lot of twinkle missing from Pat's performance.

1951
01:15:07.500 --> 01:15:11.520
But I think we decided in the in the 3 doctors that one of the

1952
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:15.180
reasons for that is that Pat doesn't have his companions and

1953
01:15:15.180 --> 01:15:17.640
that's really important for Pat.

1954
01:15:17.699 --> 01:15:20.939
And in fact, here he gets to play off the brigadier and that works

1955
01:15:20.939 --> 01:15:21.420
very well.

1956
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:22.319
Yeah, yeah.

1957
01:15:22.380 --> 01:15:25.140
I mean, you know, that's it's not a criticism, but it's a matter

1958
01:15:25.140 --> 01:15:28.500
of when you when you kind of bring these many actors back, you've

1959
01:15:28.500 --> 01:15:31.380
got to kind of distil their characters to a few key points.

1960
01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.800
I love the fact that, again, Anthony...

1961
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:36.180
They're covered.

1962
01:15:36.180 --> 01:15:39.060
And have that little scene with Patrick in there.

1963
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.659
So he actually gets to work now with all the doctors in the

1964
01:15:42.659 --> 01:15:43.199
original series.

1965
01:15:43.260 --> 01:15:45.119
Yeah, it's it is rather wonderful.

1966
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:47.699
Oh, we're walking away.

1967
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:48.359
Where's our bomb?

1968
01:15:48.420 --> 01:15:49.859
Now, what did they do with the bomb?

1969
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:51.180
They ate it.

1970
01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:51.779
I know.

1971
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:53.640
It's right there.

1972
01:15:53.699 --> 01:15:55.619
It's just so close to the Titus, it can't be seen.

1973
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:56.220
Die.

1974
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:58.560
That was very nice of him, wasn't it?

1975
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:00.479
It's always so positive.

1976
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:06.600
And each of the team, each of the 3 teams of the sidemen we've had

1977
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:08.460
do have slightly different modulation.

1978
01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:10.319
And 2 of them are dead.

1979
01:16:10.739 --> 01:16:12.539
Oh, dear.

1980
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:17.279
Now, weirdly, in the special edition, they change this tune, and

1981
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:19.739
you know, it's not really to match his fingering, if you'll pardon

1982
01:16:19.739 --> 01:16:20.220
the expression.

1983
01:16:20.340 --> 01:16:22.859
It's a little bit Doctor Whoey theme in this version.

1984
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.319
Oh, what a lovely organ.

1985
01:16:25.380 --> 01:16:29.819
It's a bit like replacing Jumpnub at the end of Return of the

1986
01:16:29.819 --> 01:16:30.600
Jedi.

1987
01:16:30.659 --> 01:16:31.020
Yeah.

1988
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:34.199
Yeah, we've got to make the Ewoks more gritty.

1989
01:16:34.260 --> 01:16:35.039
Yeah, yeah.

1990
01:16:35.100 --> 01:16:35.579
That worked.

1991
01:16:36.659 --> 01:16:41.220
Oh, Susan does get a little figurine after all..

1992
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:44.939
Yeah, sorry, Richard, we don't have any of these.

1993
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:50.640
Actually, I think you can now get that John in red coat in the 13

1994
01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:54.479
doctors set for an armour leg and $5000.

1995
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.119
We're waiting for that to go die in.

1996
01:16:57.180 --> 01:16:58.920
There'll be other versions of it, you watch.

1997
01:16:59.460 --> 01:17:02.159
But yeah, I love it.

1998
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:04.619
He looks stunned, really, doesn't he?

1999
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:06.239
Now this was going to be Tom.

2000
01:17:06.300 --> 01:17:09.899
This was going to be Tom's bit in the original script and Pete was

2001
01:17:09.899 --> 01:17:10.859
going to stay in the TARDIS.

2002
01:17:12.180 --> 01:17:15.420
I thought Pete was going to go to the tower and the 1st doctor was

2003
01:17:15.420 --> 01:17:16.319
going to stay in the tower.

2004
01:17:16.380 --> 01:17:17.699
No, Pete was going to stay in the TARDIS.

2005
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:18.420
That was it.

2006
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:18.960
Yeah.

2007
01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:20.640
When you get your leading, man.

2008
01:17:20.699 --> 01:17:22.260
I mean, they don't do it here either.

2009
01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:25.140
That's what Terence said in the end because his initial thought

2010
01:17:25.140 --> 01:17:26.939
was, who's the most corruptible doctor?

2011
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:27.539
It's Tom.

2012
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:29.939
So I'll put Tom in the situation where he can be corrupted?

2013
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.920
And then when he lost Tom, he's like, actually, it makes a lot

2014
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:34.319
more sense for it to be Peter because that's dramatic.

2015
01:17:34.380 --> 01:17:36.060
We know that Tom didn't turn evil.

2016
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:37.800
But Peter could turn evil.

2017
01:17:37.859 --> 01:17:41.520
Again, there's still a, there's a lot of luck in what's happening

2018
01:17:41.579 --> 01:17:42.659
here on the screen.

2019
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:45.180
Like all these things have to play out for us to get what we've

2020
01:17:45.180 --> 01:17:47.699
got here in terms of the people and the sequences and that sort of

2021
01:17:47.699 --> 01:17:47.819
thing.

2022
01:17:47.939 --> 01:17:51.359
Only November and he's got all his Christmas fairy lights flaring

2023
01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:52.439
up on the back seat.

2024
01:17:52.500 --> 01:17:55.680
I was actually thinking it's like milk crates, isn't it?

2025
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:59.039
like milk crates. to fricken by a trees.

2026
01:17:59.100 --> 01:18:02.100
I think green, crispy lights on his old milk crate.

2027
01:18:02.220 --> 01:18:03.960
It's a red dwarf set, isn't it?

2028
01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:05.460
It looks pretty good, actually.

2029
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:06.300
I like that set.

2030
01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:07.680
Yeah, I really like that.

2031
01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:09.000
Bruce has made it all himself.

2032
01:18:10.140 --> 01:18:13.619
I can't have immortality, but I'll really do something with my old

2033
01:18:13.619 --> 01:18:14.340
milk cream.

2034
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:16.140
Also, do you like me out?

2035
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:16.800
I changed.

2036
01:18:16.979 --> 01:18:20.640
Having all the metabulous crystals, but this time they're in red.

2037
01:18:20.699 --> 01:18:21.300
Yeah.

2038
01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:23.039
They look like jelly.

2039
01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:24.180
Sort of jelly.

2040
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:25.680
Oh, well done.

2041
01:18:25.739 --> 01:18:26.880
Oh, girls are back in business.

2042
01:18:26.939 --> 01:18:27.960
They get to do something.

2043
01:18:28.020 --> 01:18:30.119
And so...

2044
01:18:30.659 --> 01:18:34.920
It's the only time he actually says that. 2nd time, yeah.

2045
01:18:34.979 --> 01:18:35.819
Second?

2046
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:37.680
Okay, 2nd time in the whole history of the show.

2047
01:18:37.739 --> 01:18:39.659
Not counting when...

2048
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:40.380
Can we just have a moment?

2049
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.439
This is actually John's last appearance, is Doctor Who in the

2050
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:43.800
series?

2051
01:18:43.859 --> 01:18:44.699
That's true.

2052
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:45.600
That's true.

2053
01:18:45.659 --> 01:18:47.760
That's a bit sort of awful, really.

2054
01:18:47.819 --> 01:18:50.579
But, you know, I think it's rather wonderful that he just kept

2055
01:18:50.579 --> 01:18:57.060
making loads of appearances at events and fan videos, you know, he

2056
01:18:57.060 --> 01:19:01.199
you know, Patrick, of course, wanted to shops.

2057
01:19:01.380 --> 01:19:04.920
Patrick, of course, he just wanted to take off the costume.

2058
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:11.520
Patrick wanted to take off. to no longer be recognised.

2059
01:19:11.579 --> 01:19:13.979
Whereas John everywhere he went.

2060
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:14.939
It's like, are you doctor?

2061
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:16.079
Yes, I am the doctor.

2062
01:19:16.140 --> 01:19:17.520
No, he slept in the costume.

2063
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:23.279
Barangaroo.

2064
01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:24.300
That's bohearing.

2065
01:19:24.300 --> 01:19:25.800
At least you can go in the costume.

2066
01:19:28.859 --> 01:19:29.760
Okay, dark.

2067
01:19:29.819 --> 01:19:30.720
Dark.

2068
01:19:30.779 --> 01:19:31.560
That is dark.

2069
01:19:31.619 --> 01:19:33.659
I made this too much thing.

2070
01:19:34.500 --> 01:19:37.680
I was so sick of those simulator and salt nights.

2071
01:19:37.739 --> 01:19:38.520
I'm going to do with them.

2072
01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:40.079
He didn't make this.

2073
01:19:40.140 --> 01:19:41.159
He found this room, didn't he?

2074
01:19:41.220 --> 01:19:42.060
Yeah, he did.

2075
01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:44.880
He's pointing at it saying...

2076
01:19:44.939 --> 01:19:48.180
They're really ignorant of their own experience.

2077
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:50.279
It's like this is made out of jabber light.

2078
01:19:50.340 --> 01:19:51.060
I did this.

2079
01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:51.840
I made this spot.

2080
01:19:51.899 --> 01:19:53.399
Oh no, he had to make those.

2081
01:19:53.460 --> 01:19:54.420
Yeah, he did.

2082
01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:55.560
Oh, he loves them too.

2083
01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:56.520
Oh it's a day pole.

2084
01:19:56.579 --> 01:19:59.640
It's far too accurate for a day ball.

2085
01:19:59.699 --> 01:20:02.699
The day Paul master has no crotch.

2086
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:05.100
What?

2087
01:20:05.100 --> 01:20:05.399
Really?

2088
01:20:05.460 --> 01:20:06.180
Yes.

2089
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:09.239
I'm not being happy about that.

2090
01:20:09.300 --> 01:20:10.079
Sorry, John.

2091
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:14.520
No, seriously, like his legs go up and they, there's kind of a

2092
01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:17.100
just an empty triangle where a crop should be.

2093
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:22.140
It's an it's a negative camel toe.

2094
01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:22.680
I don't know.

2095
01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:25.319
That doesn't look like it was really off-putting.

2096
01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:28.319
A good reaction, Todd's doing the point.

2097
01:20:28.380 --> 01:20:31.800
But do you know that his costume is based, again, mentioning, since

2098
01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:32.939
I mentioned Joan Crawford.

2099
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:33.239
Thank you.

2100
01:20:33.300 --> 01:20:34.859
This is why I mentioned Joker.

2101
01:20:34.979 --> 01:20:38.819
His costume is directly based on the Queens in Snow White.

2102
01:20:40.739 --> 01:20:41.640
I'll go with that.

2103
01:20:42.420 --> 01:20:46.380
The diadem, which is the correct name for that little crowny thing

2104
01:20:46.380 --> 01:20:48.239
because, you know, we should know those sorts of things.

2105
01:20:48.300 --> 01:20:49.739
Really, he really is playing.

2106
01:20:49.859 --> 01:20:51.239
And she's behind the mirror portrait.

2107
01:20:51.300 --> 01:20:52.199
Yep, that's who it is.

2108
01:20:52.260 --> 01:20:54.479
Soon, freaking cruel.

2109
01:20:54.539 --> 01:20:57.840
We're about to see Pete do some possessed acting coming up.

2110
01:20:57.899 --> 01:20:59.880
So he's doing a nice version of it now too.

2111
01:20:59.939 --> 01:21:00.960
Yeah, yeah.

2112
01:21:01.020 --> 01:21:02.819
In fact, I think they've been.

2113
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:04.560
I think they've been on all the coding in the time.

2114
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:05.640
It's just like those two.

2115
01:21:05.699 --> 01:21:08.819
Oh, look. television.

2116
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:12.119
It's wonderful, city.

2117
01:21:12.180 --> 01:21:14.220
But look at Pete.

2118
01:21:14.279 --> 01:21:18.180
He's possessed, but he looks just exactly like he does nearly

2119
01:21:18.180 --> 01:21:21.180
every time the camera crashes into his face for a cliffhanger.

2120
01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:21.720
Yes.

2121
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.779
It's a resting cliffhanger face there from P.

2122
01:21:24.899 --> 01:21:28.500
Now, these scenes were recorded before Pete's scenes, which is why

2123
01:21:28.500 --> 01:21:31.979
Pete will now appear against black drapes because the other set

2124
01:21:31.979 --> 01:21:32.939
hadn't been built yet.

2125
01:21:34.260 --> 01:21:35.880
There you are.

2126
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:40.140
It's fine, but yeah, it's just it's just a little bit of TV.

2127
01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:42.239
The focus of the lens is very short, that's all.

2128
01:21:42.300 --> 01:21:45.659
And he really is having rest in Cliffhanger, basically, isn't he?

2129
01:21:46.140 --> 01:21:50.399
I love that John is so withdrawn in this, whereas the last time we

2130
01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:54.779
saw these one. 5 together, they were, um, John was really chewing

2131
01:21:54.779 --> 01:21:57.119
up the walls. because he was threatened.

2132
01:21:57.180 --> 01:21:58.079
Yeah, yeah.

2133
01:21:58.140 --> 01:21:59.220
And it was his show back then.

2134
01:21:59.460 --> 01:22:02.460
He's really, he's playing it less than...

2135
01:22:02.579 --> 01:22:05.279
Oh, we've brought back Magnus Greel's transmitter.

2136
01:22:06.180 --> 01:22:08.279
More more crazy things.

2137
01:22:08.340 --> 01:22:09.119
Nope, it really is.

2138
01:22:09.779 --> 01:22:13.260
And he's doing very careful foot acting because he can't look

2139
01:22:13.260 --> 01:22:13.500
down.

2140
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:15.720
Now, watch the brigadier in the background.

2141
01:22:15.779 --> 01:22:16.619
Everyone's frozen.

2142
01:22:16.619 --> 01:22:17.579
Oh, he hasn't frozen.

2143
01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:19.979
He's and now off. going to walk off.

2144
01:22:20.100 --> 01:22:21.479
I think it is just going to follow him.

2145
01:22:21.539 --> 01:22:21.899
Look at that.

2146
01:22:21.899 --> 01:22:22.979
So not an equity man.

2147
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:24.359
Oh my goodness.

2148
01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:29.819
He's too old to do any of these paralysis nonsense acting.

2149
01:22:30.060 --> 01:22:35.579
I just love how Colin Labours is the costume designer, has used

2150
01:22:35.579 --> 01:22:36.119
red.

2151
01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:37.680
Yes, beautiful.

2152
01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:39.659
Red and cream to tie together.

2153
01:22:39.659 --> 01:22:41.159
The doctors.

2154
01:22:41.220 --> 01:22:43.020
I really like Pertz Cozzi in this one.

2155
01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:43.979
Yeah.

2156
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:47.340
With a little nod to Pete with the contrast piping on the ship.

2157
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:48.119
Yeah, it's really cute.

2158
01:22:48.180 --> 01:22:51.000
And I think this is the 1st time we've seen the Hartnall costume

2159
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:54.060
and the trout and costume together in one shot and they really

2160
01:22:54.060 --> 01:22:56.279
just kind of slight variations of each other.

2161
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:00.659
So he's cleverly reimagined the Hartner one to make it more

2162
01:23:00.659 --> 01:23:01.319
different, I think.

2163
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.380
Well, no, but it was always more tailored.

2164
01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:06.840
Yeah, his was a kind of dishevelled version.

2165
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:10.859
The Trouton was wearing a sort of dishevelled version of

2166
01:23:10.859 --> 01:23:12.539
Hartnell's costume.

2167
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:13.439
Yeah, yeah.

2168
01:23:13.500 --> 01:23:14.939
And that was the concept at the time.

2169
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.340
That's why the clothes changed with the doctor.

2170
01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:20.399
It's like he's more dishevelled the clothes are more dishevelled.

2171
01:23:20.460 --> 01:23:22.979
I just love the way they're all working together.

2172
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:25.199
Yeah, it's really nicely done.

2173
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:27.659
What the hell are you people doing in my show?

2174
01:23:30.060 --> 01:23:33.840
That is a lovely look from Pete, though, when he walks over too.

2175
01:23:33.899 --> 01:23:35.520
Yeah, it really is, isn't it?

2176
01:23:35.579 --> 01:23:38.819
Your curtain rod of doom will not overpower espresso.

2177
01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:41.340
Oh, Patrick Trouton, you are wonderful in the background there.

2178
01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:43.140
He's so good.

2179
01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:47.279
He really, just by doing just simple Pat thing steals every damn

2180
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:48.119
scene he's in.

2181
01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:50.340
Pete's eyebrows are very delicate.

2182
01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:51.539
They are, aren't they?

2183
01:23:51.539 --> 01:23:52.500
Wispy and winsome.

2184
01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:56.460
He is like 30 years younger than everyone else on set.

2185
01:23:57.420 --> 01:23:59.159
This is true.

2186
01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:02.100
P times 72.

2187
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:04.439
It's just a game of wrestling.

2188
01:24:05.340 --> 01:24:07.199
Donald Sinden.

2189
01:24:07.739 --> 01:24:09.119
No.

2190
01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:10.079
Richard Matthews.

2191
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:14.039
No, no, I mean, but isn't Donald Sindon our latest wrestleon?

2192
01:24:14.340 --> 01:24:16.439
Oh, yes, yes, of course.

2193
01:24:16.500 --> 01:24:20.039
Timothy Dalton, Donaldson, and Donaldson didn't play...

2194
01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:21.000
Donaldson.

2195
01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:21.479
Donaldson.

2196
01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:21.840
Donaldson.

2197
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:23.279
Yeah, because Donaldson...

2198
01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:23.819
He's dead.

2199
01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:25.800
And plus he's dead.

2200
01:24:25.859 --> 01:24:28.500
Timothy Dalton would have come back to play wrestle.

2201
01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:29.340
He just wasn't available.

2202
01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:29.819
Right.

2203
01:24:29.819 --> 01:24:31.500
You mean he wasn't asked?

2204
01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:33.539
No, he wasn't asked, but he wasn't available.

2205
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:35.819
Oh, that would have been much more fun, I think.

2206
01:24:35.939 --> 01:24:37.500
Didn't, um...

2207
01:24:37.500 --> 01:24:39.539
I have a Toby jug, I'm sure.

2208
01:24:39.539 --> 01:24:40.380
That looks good.

2209
01:24:40.500 --> 01:24:44.640
The moustache and...

2210
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:46.500
I liked him his wrestling.

2211
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:49.500
It's an unusual choice I like that he's a steampunk bear.

2212
01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:51.479
I think he's appearing at Burning Man this year.

2213
01:24:54.539 --> 01:24:56.340
He's one man show.

2214
01:24:56.340 --> 01:24:57.239
I like that.

2215
01:24:57.300 --> 01:25:00.420
Yeah, it's it well, it's a triple take.

2216
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:03.600
It is a triple take. with each of them doing it once.

2217
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:06.840
But just the fact that the 1st doctor gets that moment.

2218
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:08.520
He's the one who solves it.

2219
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:09.180
Yeah, yeah.

2220
01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:12.359
And you think a lot of effort to someone who wasn't actually the

2221
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:13.500
original doctor, aren't they?

2222
01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:14.939
They really...

2223
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:16.140
I'm quite surprised by that.

2224
01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:19.020
I'm actually surprised at how little genres had to do in this

2225
01:25:19.020 --> 01:25:19.800
whole season.

2226
01:25:19.859 --> 01:25:20.880
That's a bit shocking.

2227
01:25:20.939 --> 01:25:23.159
He did get a lot to get to.

2228
01:25:23.220 --> 01:25:23.579
Yeah, yeah.

2229
01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:27.539
Yeah, but he's the last well, this is his last TV appearance?

2230
01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:30.600
You know what?

2231
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:31.260
Go on, put it on.

2232
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:33.239
You are my wife now, dad.

2233
01:25:33.779 --> 01:25:37.260
I don't think John minded, because if John minded, he would have

2234
01:25:37.260 --> 01:25:37.560
said.

2235
01:25:37.619 --> 01:25:40.079
And he would have, it would have been strange.

2236
01:25:40.140 --> 01:25:41.460
It's just a little bit more obvious.

2237
01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:44.039
Oh, it's Matches his pretty little cat.

2238
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:47.220
This... was terrifying.

2239
01:25:47.340 --> 01:25:49.859
Oh, look how red their eyes are.

2240
01:25:49.979 --> 01:25:51.000
What's happening there?

2241
01:25:51.060 --> 01:25:53.699
You know, there's not a lot of moisture in that room.

2242
01:25:53.819 --> 01:25:56.880
And they are literally 3 actors standing behind that.

2243
01:25:56.939 --> 01:25:57.479
They're not.

2244
01:25:57.539 --> 01:25:58.739
They didn't even comp it in.

2245
01:25:58.800 --> 01:25:59.939
Oh.

2246
01:25:59.939 --> 01:26:01.380
So theatre.

2247
01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:03.239
Yeah, it's perfectly theatre done.

2248
01:26:03.300 --> 01:26:03.960
I love this too.

2249
01:26:04.020 --> 01:26:04.560
Yeah.

2250
01:26:04.619 --> 01:26:10.020
There's this thing where Latham turns around, but that's a

2251
01:26:10.020 --> 01:26:10.500
different shot.

2252
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:13.079
Yeah, you know, and he appears. nice, isn't it?

2253
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.979
Um, there's a special feature on one of these discs discs called

2254
01:26:16.979 --> 01:26:22.319
um, 5 Doctors one studio where it's mainly the studio session of

2255
01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:25.199
this and you see how they did that looking scene.

2256
01:26:25.260 --> 01:26:27.180
And yeah, it's really well done.

2257
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:30.539
Did they mention how everyone had been bonging on in those green

2258
01:26:30.539 --> 01:26:30.960
rooms?

2259
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:34.260
They were also bloodshot.

2260
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:35.100
Oh, Pat.

2261
01:26:35.100 --> 01:26:40.920
Because it got, you know...

2262
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:44.100
He enjoyed...

2263
01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:45.420
This makes no sense at all.

2264
01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:46.260
No, whatever.

2265
01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:51.899
There's a lovely head cannon bit where...

2266
01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:54.060
For the 4th doctor, his adventures just continued.

2267
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:57.119
So we just catch up to him at the appropriate time.

2268
01:26:57.300 --> 01:27:01.020
Yeah, and, you know, sort of being time locked. he's not aware

2269
01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:03.300
Yeah, this is sweet.

2270
01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:05.279
No, I don't need to deal with him.

2271
01:27:05.340 --> 01:27:06.239
I bloody wrestle on.

2272
01:27:06.300 --> 01:27:10.739
We talked about this when we were doing shada, remember, and how

2273
01:27:10.739 --> 01:27:12.000
the continuity actually works.

2274
01:27:12.779 --> 01:27:14.760
I'll go back and listen to that.

2275
01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:19.079
So, yeah, the Tom Baker version of Shadow works with this original

2276
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:19.979
broadcast version.

2277
01:27:19.979 --> 01:27:23.100
Whereas the Paul McGann version works with the special edition.

2278
01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:24.119
Oh, really?

2279
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:26.819
That's how annoying we live.

2280
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:33.840
Yes, I turn off this podcast and walk slowly away from your iPhone

2281
01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:34.500
please.

2282
01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:39.420
This, I mean, this exchange between them, these 2 only get like 3

2283
01:27:39.420 --> 01:27:43.439
or 4 scenes together, but they re, like Herndel and Davison bounce

2284
01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:46.439
really well off each other, really subtly, because you're right

2285
01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:46.739
Richard.

2286
01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:48.600
They both have that subtlety in their performance.

2287
01:27:48.659 --> 01:27:49.979
I like the Day Paul master figure.

2288
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:51.359
The 2 in the background.

2289
01:27:51.420 --> 01:27:52.020
It's really nice.

2290
01:27:52.859 --> 01:27:53.220
From John.

2291
01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:54.899
It's really lovely.

2292
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:58.319
Uncharacteristically generous of genre.

2293
01:27:58.380 --> 01:27:58.800
Yeah.

2294
01:27:58.859 --> 01:28:00.479
Well, he always had it in him.

2295
01:28:00.539 --> 01:28:02.760
It was just insecurity that brought it forward.

2296
01:28:02.819 --> 01:28:04.560
I love John so much.

2297
01:28:04.619 --> 01:28:07.439
I loved him as a little boy and there was a while I didn't really

2298
01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:08.220
love him now too.

2299
01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:09.119
Look, all of them actually.

2300
01:28:09.420 --> 01:28:11.279
They're all brilliant.

2301
01:28:11.340 --> 01:28:13.079
Even Richard Herndle.

2302
01:28:13.140 --> 01:28:15.420
Richard Handel's terrific in this.

2303
01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:16.319
He really holds his own.

2304
01:28:16.380 --> 01:28:18.420
I actually quite like him being a bit more cheerful.

2305
01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:21.420
He is nothing like Hartnall, but that's quite nice

2306
01:28:21.420 --> 01:28:22.560
characterisation.

2307
01:28:22.619 --> 01:28:23.880
He's more young Mr. Grace.

2308
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:28.079
Oh, oh, look.

2309
01:28:28.140 --> 01:28:29.579
Isn't he wonderful?

2310
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:31.380
Oh, there's two.

2311
01:28:35.939 --> 01:28:38.159
That's even more poignant now.

2312
01:28:38.220 --> 01:28:40.920
You think it's around this time that Janet decided nah.

2313
01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:43.199
I'm not.

2314
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:44.039
I'm off, Janet.

2315
01:28:44.100 --> 01:28:46.920
You getting that impression you're standing there thinking, I'm

2316
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:49.140
looking at the other 2 and thinking, yeah, that's not going to be

2317
01:28:49.140 --> 01:28:49.619
my future.

2318
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:51.899
Yeah, well, she's only got what, 4 stories left?

2319
01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:54.479
No, I just thought, no, I'm not going to Carol Anne.

2320
01:28:54.539 --> 01:28:55.500
Oh, that's upsetting.

2321
01:28:55.619 --> 01:28:58.020
I always felt sad about this.

2322
01:28:58.079 --> 01:28:59.460
Yeah it is up soon.

2323
01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:01.680
No, this, Sarah.

2324
01:29:01.739 --> 01:29:02.880
She'll be back.

2325
01:29:02.939 --> 01:29:03.659
It's all right.

2326
01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:06.239
I know, but it's just like, she's so great.

2327
01:29:07.140 --> 01:29:09.600
Yeah, I think, did she work that out?

2328
01:29:09.659 --> 01:29:10.319
That's who he is?

2329
01:29:11.579 --> 01:29:13.319
And she says Biden.

2330
01:29:13.380 --> 01:29:15.420
Oh yeah, she's just messing up the tensors, I think.

2331
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:17.579
I think...

2332
01:29:17.579 --> 01:29:20.100
School reunion kind of implies that she doesn't remember this.

2333
01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:21.000
Yes.

2334
01:29:21.060 --> 01:29:22.560
Well, I think they just kind of ignored it.

2335
01:29:22.619 --> 01:29:23.699
It was children of need.

2336
01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:24.600
Children in need.

2337
01:29:24.659 --> 01:29:25.859
It wasn't a proper Doctor Who night.

2338
01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:26.640
It's not Canada.

2339
01:29:26.699 --> 01:29:28.260
That's my thing is when people are taken out of time.

2340
01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:30.359
Yeah, they forget that these things happen.

2341
01:29:30.420 --> 01:29:32.460
Well, that's my interpretation.

2342
01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:33.300
No, that makes a lot of sense.

2343
01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:36.239
They remember vaguely some of the things, but they don't quite

2344
01:29:36.300 --> 01:29:37.079
remember the details.

2345
01:29:37.140 --> 01:29:38.279
Love the doctor, remember?

2346
01:29:38.340 --> 01:29:40.439
I think the latest one does.

2347
01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:42.539
Yeah, definitely.

2348
01:29:42.539 --> 01:29:44.340
He might remember he met himself, but he doesn't remember the

2349
01:29:44.340 --> 01:29:45.300
specific details.

2350
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:47.039
Otherwise, that's a continuity time.

2351
01:29:47.100 --> 01:29:48.960
Now, oh, here she is.

2352
01:29:49.020 --> 01:29:50.220
In the special.

2353
01:29:50.220 --> 01:29:50.939
I did love that.

2354
01:29:50.939 --> 01:29:55.560
Clicky finger. mince, mince.

2355
01:29:55.619 --> 01:29:56.760
No, they're just admirers.

2356
01:29:56.819 --> 01:30:00.060
That's her the Chance of Flavour Appreciation Society.

2357
01:30:00.300 --> 01:30:04.319
They just dress as guards and follow her around wherever she

2358
01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:04.500
goes.

2359
01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:07.619
I always like the TARDIS going off. loved that.

2360
01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:09.720
And of course, they cut that out of the 95 though.

2361
01:30:09.779 --> 01:30:12.359
Well, no, it's in there, but they use the Casper the Friendly

2362
01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:16.739
Ghost time scoop thing with the appropriate doctor's face in it.

2363
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:17.939
Oh, yuck.

2364
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.460
You know, it's equal parts yuck and kind of sweet.

2365
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:22.680
No, I like the Titus.

2366
01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:23.340
I like this.

2367
01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:25.680
The look on his face.

2368
01:30:26.939 --> 01:30:30.119
I think it's well intentioned, but it is simple.

2369
01:30:30.180 --> 01:30:30.720
The full counsel.

2370
01:30:30.779 --> 01:30:32.100
She is the full, isn't she?

2371
01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:36.539
But the thing is, she says, it's my honour, again, to confer on

2372
01:30:36.539 --> 01:30:37.500
you, the lord president.

2373
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:42.539
I think she's Lord Usher from Gold Usher from...

2374
01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:43.739
Yeah, exactly.

2375
01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:44.939
She's Howard Lang.

2376
01:30:45.060 --> 01:30:48.539
Yes, and when we were really noxious fanboys, I do remember

2377
01:30:48.539 --> 01:30:51.180
thinking there has to be a story in between these that we don't

2378
01:30:51.180 --> 01:30:51.300
see.

2379
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:51.960
Yeah.

2380
01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:54.300
No, I think she's Howard Lang.

2381
01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:55.800
Great acting here from Peter.

2382
01:30:55.859 --> 01:30:56.340
Yeah.

2383
01:30:56.340 --> 01:30:59.819
No, seriously, I think he's fabulous in it.

2384
01:30:59.880 --> 01:31:00.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2385
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:04.920
But it's this conversation at the end, which I think is

2386
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:06.119
symptomatic.

2387
01:31:06.180 --> 01:31:10.260
This is where the show is now going to circle the drain. should

2388
01:31:10.260 --> 01:31:12.420
have been the end of this style of show.

2389
01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:18.539
The where they say, where he says that's how it all started.

2390
01:31:19.020 --> 01:31:23.279
But he, the show doesn't start with him on the run from his, on

2391
01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:25.380
from Gallifrey in Iraq at the old time.

2392
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:31.439
No, but it starts with 2 school teachers creepily following a girl

2393
01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:32.220
home from school.

2394
01:31:33.899 --> 01:31:38.939
You know, and the idea that this is a show about a gala frame from

2395
01:31:38.939 --> 01:31:40.619
the constellation of Custurbus.

2396
01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:41.760
I've complained about it before.

2397
01:31:41.819 --> 01:31:43.619
I think it exemplifies it.

2398
01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:47.939
I take your point, but I think I think in the context of this

2399
01:31:47.939 --> 01:31:50.699
story, that line works and it's beautiful.

2400
01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:51.119
I agree.

2401
01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:54.539
And they all get credited as the doctor now after only the

2402
01:31:54.539 --> 01:31:55.380
credited as Doctor Who.

2403
01:31:55.500 --> 01:31:56.220
Doctor Who before?

2404
01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:56.460
Yeah.

2405
01:31:57.180 --> 01:32:00.960
And here's, yeah, all of our...

2406
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:03.539
Would this have been the end of all of the list making and

2407
01:32:03.539 --> 01:32:04.380
rebooting?

2408
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:06.420
Just throwing.

2409
01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:08.220
Have you seen what's happening next story?

2410
01:32:08.340 --> 01:32:10.859
And we could have had, but I love the next story.

2411
01:32:11.340 --> 01:32:14.640
So 7.700000 viewers tuned into this.

2412
01:32:14.699 --> 01:32:15.840
Okay.

2413
01:32:15.899 --> 01:32:18.479
But the A team are on the opposite channel.

2414
01:32:18.539 --> 01:32:22.079
Well, I mean, that's going to be for the next couple of years

2415
01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:22.439
really.

2416
01:32:22.500 --> 01:32:25.020
But it is interesting that I actually thought they would have got

2417
01:32:25.020 --> 01:32:28.439
over 9000000 for this compared to what's around, but there's only

2418
01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:32.220
about 5 or 6 more episodes over the next 2 years that get in the

2419
01:32:32.220 --> 01:32:32.819
50s.

2420
01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:35.699
In fact, the next 2 get 51 and 52 on the chart.

2421
01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:39.420
So do you think this probably lifts, you know, like it's a new

2422
01:32:39.420 --> 01:32:43.859
season, enough people have watched this that maybe there's a spike

2423
01:32:43.859 --> 01:32:44.699
as a result of this?

2424
01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:47.159
No, I mean, this is in between seasons.

2425
01:32:47.220 --> 01:32:50.279
Mind you, it is only 2 months before Warriors of the Deep.

2426
01:32:50.460 --> 01:32:55.199
But I think it's enough to keep it in the public's mind, perhaps.

2427
01:32:55.260 --> 01:32:59.760
Yeah, as opposed to forgetting about it. looping back to the menu

2428
01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:00.720
now, dear listener.

2429
01:33:00.779 --> 01:33:03.420
Yeah, so...

2430
01:33:03.420 --> 01:33:05.939
I, it's so, it's so very good.

2431
01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:08.039
It's much better than the 3 doctors.

2432
01:33:08.100 --> 01:33:09.000
I feel full.

2433
01:33:09.180 --> 01:33:12.720
Lots and lots of sticky, squidgy fudginess.

2434
01:33:12.779 --> 01:33:15.300
I love it, like despite...

2435
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:19.260
Look, it was so joyous also, just to see these people on screen.

2436
01:33:19.260 --> 01:33:19.800
Yes, yes.

2437
01:33:19.859 --> 01:33:22.920
And to see, you didn't get to see them and there weren't videos.

2438
01:33:22.979 --> 01:33:23.880
That's how it was big.

2439
01:33:24.180 --> 01:33:28.020
I don't think it's a story in the same way that the 3 doctors is a

2440
01:33:28.020 --> 01:33:28.199
story.

2441
01:33:28.260 --> 01:33:30.899
I think it's the children in need special with a lot of people

2442
01:33:30.899 --> 01:33:33.180
doing coming in and doing their party pieces.

2443
01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:34.859
That's fine.

2444
01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:36.119
That's perfectly fine.

2445
01:33:36.180 --> 01:33:36.779
And I love it.

2446
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:38.100
Like it's really enjoyable.

2447
01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:41.279
And, you know, 20 years after this, we'd get Day of the Doctor

2448
01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:45.720
kind of distilling the 2 approaches of a story-based thing and a

2449
01:33:45.720 --> 01:33:46.260
doctor-based thing.

2450
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:49.619
Yeah, but I mean, the writing is just much more skilful than

2451
01:33:49.619 --> 01:33:50.460
either of those.

2452
01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:53.939
I mean, this is Moffat and that's modern television. just better.

2453
01:33:54.060 --> 01:33:54.840
Yeah.

2454
01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:56.760
And budget wise and all the rest of it.

2455
01:33:56.819 --> 01:33:58.319
Yeah, this was that we were leisurely.

2456
01:33:58.380 --> 01:33:59.039
Yeah.

2457
01:33:59.100 --> 01:34:01.920
I do love the thing it kind of borrows.

2458
01:34:01.979 --> 01:34:04.500
Dave the Doctor kind of borrows from this is, you know, we

2459
01:34:04.500 --> 01:34:06.779
commented, the doctors are doing a thing that, you know, you

2460
01:34:06.779 --> 01:34:10.739
immediately recognise that, you know, John's driving his card out

2461
01:34:10.739 --> 01:34:11.039
of that.

2462
01:34:11.100 --> 01:34:12.539
So what does the 10th doctor get to do?

2463
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:15.779
He's seducing a historical celebrity because he thinks she's an

2464
01:34:15.779 --> 01:34:16.560
alien monster.

2465
01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:19.680
Yes, that's the Russell T. Davis era.

2466
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:26.760
I guess the only thing like, I always want to see more of the

2467
01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:28.079
doctors together at times.

2468
01:34:28.140 --> 01:34:29.340
Yes, yeah, yeah.

2469
01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:30.119
Yeah.

2470
01:34:30.180 --> 01:34:32.699
That's where big finish have been quite successful with their

2471
01:34:32.699 --> 01:34:33.600
multi-doctor stories.

2472
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:34.739
Very successful.

2473
01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:36.359
I love the light at the end.

2474
01:34:36.420 --> 01:34:37.439
Light at the end.

2475
01:34:37.500 --> 01:34:38.819
The 4 doctors.

2476
01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:40.680
The last episode of Sirens of Time.

2477
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:44.579
Yeah, yeah, but...

2478
01:34:44.579 --> 01:34:52.500
I do wonder if the idea of a multi-doctor story would still be

2479
01:34:52.500 --> 01:34:54.300
around if we hadn't had the 5 doctors.

2480
01:34:54.300 --> 01:34:58.319
Because, you know, the 3 doctors was kind of a one off, but then

2481
01:34:58.319 --> 01:35:02.460
it became the thing you do at anniversary is divisible by a 10.

2482
01:35:02.699 --> 01:35:05.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah. because, you know, dimensions in time.

2483
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:07.560
But it's always been a fan wish, isn't it?

2484
01:35:07.619 --> 01:35:08.220
Hasn't it?

2485
01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:08.760
Yeah, yeah.

2486
01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:09.899
Fans of sort of.

2487
01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:11.220
Gosh, Pat's so good in that.

2488
01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:14.640
I think I want to go back and rewatch all the entire Patrick

2489
01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:15.539
Troughton era.

2490
01:35:15.659 --> 01:35:16.739
Yeah, let's do that.

2491
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:19.020
We've got the sound thing out.

2492
01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:22.079
Right.

2493
01:35:22.140 --> 01:35:25.260
Well, I think it's getting close to sign off.

2494
01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:29.760
We will be back in 2 weeks with our 1st retro commentary, which is

2495
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:32.159
Doctor Who and the Keys of Mariners.

2496
01:35:32.220 --> 01:35:33.840
Your fault you voted for.

2497
01:35:34.260 --> 01:35:36.119
My fault for proposing it, I feel bad.

2498
01:35:36.180 --> 01:35:40.079
And also, if you jump on our Twitter account now, we've each put

2499
01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:46.319
forward a Patrick Troughton story or we will have done. for you to

2500
01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:50.579
vote on as well, which I think will release after season 21. alert

2501
01:35:50.579 --> 01:35:51.359
it's the crotons.

2502
01:35:51.779 --> 01:35:53.640
Something short.

2503
01:35:53.699 --> 01:35:55.260
It's the war game.

2504
01:35:55.319 --> 01:35:57.600
Do not put that up, please.

2505
01:35:57.659 --> 01:35:59.640
I love it, but I'm not 10 episodes.

2506
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.520
Because people will vote for it now that you said that.

2507
01:36:03.779 --> 01:36:06.479
Until then, do check us out.

2508
01:36:06.899 --> 01:36:11.699
Just to see Todd's face gone. flight through entirety.com flight

2509
01:36:11.699 --> 01:36:14.279
through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on

2510
01:36:14.279 --> 01:36:14.699
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2511
01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:16.199
Over on Bond Finger.

2512
01:36:16.260 --> 01:36:18.479
Now, it's a bit difficult because we're recording this so far in

2513
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:22.739
events, but I think our most recent commentary is octopussy and

2514
01:36:22.739 --> 01:36:26.220
never say never again will be coming soon on Bondfinger.com

2515
01:36:26.220 --> 01:36:28.859
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2516
01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:30.539
Gentlemen, any closing comments?

2517
01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:32.159
I think we're done.

2518
01:36:32.939 --> 01:36:36.060
I'm still wiping icing sugar off my face.

2519
01:36:37.020 --> 01:36:40.079
It's such a fun, enjoyable romp.

2520
01:36:40.140 --> 01:36:44.460
I just really love it It's my favourite, it's my favourite Pete up

2521
01:36:44.460 --> 01:36:45.840
to this point. lovely.

2522
01:36:45.899 --> 01:36:46.619
Fantastic.

2523
01:36:46.680 --> 01:36:49.319
I haven't watched this for years and years.

2524
01:36:49.380 --> 01:36:52.140
I didn't actually, you know, when you get older and you go, you

2525
01:36:52.140 --> 01:36:53.159
poo-pooh these things.

2526
01:36:53.220 --> 01:36:56.640
And then being able to see this again, it's actually just as

2527
01:36:56.640 --> 01:36:57.899
lovely as I remember.

2528
01:36:57.960 --> 01:36:58.739
Alright.

2529
01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:03.119
Well, then, until next time, may none of your Joan Crawford

2530
01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:06.060
lookalikes try to attain immortality through an old man's ring.

2531
01:37:06.180 --> 01:37:07.380
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

2532
01:37:07.500 --> 01:37:08.399
Good night.

2533
01:37:08.460 --> 01:37:09.420
See you soon.

2534
01:37:09.539 --> 01:37:10.800
Ouch.