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One day, I shall come back.

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Yes, I shall come back.

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Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties.

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Just go forward in all your beliefs, and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mind.

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Goodbye, Susan.

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Goodbye, my dear.

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Get out of my box, you painted whore.

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And I suppose I should say, Thank you to Richard and James for that prerecorded insert, and to the rest of you, I say, welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast who are fully paid up members of the Richard Herndel Appreciation Society.

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I am Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Richard.

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Hello.

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Richard Handel, right?

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And we're celebrating 20 years of Doctor Who with our commentary on the 5 Doctors, the Doctor 25th anniversary special that went out 1st broadcast was in, I believe, New Zealand on the 23rd of November.

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And the US.

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No, I'm thinking of the US.

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You're right.

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It's super Nemesis that went out in New Zealand first.

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That was their crime. was also their punishment.

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Now, what we have here is the transmission version of the 5 doctors, which in the 2 disc DVD set, you can find that on disc one.

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We've decided to go for the transmission version because this is the version we all saw 1st time around.

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But we will occasionally discuss the 1995 special edition during this.

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Now, we're still sitting on the menu and I'm going to give you your code word to press play.

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That code word is zodin.

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So the next time you hear me say that.

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What a terrible like you.

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It's fantastic is one of my all-time favourite things ever.

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You know, just to drop in line.

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Yeah, yeah, let's throw in.

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He just...

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It's fantastic.

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That's wonderful.

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There we go.

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Okay, so, dear listeners, please get ready on your play button, or if, if like, us you're watching on a PlayStation 4, we're not getting sponsored, we really should.

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Then you'll be pressing your X button on your controller.

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So get ready, dear listener.

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Zodin.

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And we're off.

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Here's Billy.

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Hooray.

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Those washing up bowls of the same bit of punishment, haven't they?

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They have indeed.

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Really?

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We miss him, don't we?

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It's so lovely that JNT decided, you know, obviously he couldn't have Billy had to recast him, but he said, there's got to be some way we can have Billy.

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He said to Ian Levine, find me a clip that would be appropriate to go at the top of the anniversary special.

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There's few of his teeth in it as possible, but...

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No, they couldn't find one of those.

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We do, we will, I think, during the course of this talk about the way that kind of Doctor Who fandom conceptualise the 1st doctor, because I think they get the 1st doctor horribly wrong in this.

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Yeah.

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Well, you can really see where Collins performance is kind of being booted from, can't you?

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Well, I think he probably says that he wanted to bring back some of the, you know, irascibility that the 1st doctor had.

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But that's not how I feel about the 1st doctor at all, Todd.

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No, I think there's a lot of warmth in Heartless performance.

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Oh, definitely.

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And I remember when this was going out.

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Do you remember there was such a stormy night and it was almost going to be like blackouts and they had to broadcast again the following week and there was a power cart. wasn't there in Sydney?

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I was actually in Canberra at the time.

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It was that exciting. somewhere special to watch it with a lot of fans.

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No, yeah, yeah.

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It was busy there too.

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Oh, there's bloody shoes.

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I was staying at the entrance at the grandmother of a friend of the podcast, Edmund Bosworth.

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Oh, lovely.

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And as a kid, you know, during the school holidays and there was a giant storm there and we had to run out and rescue the washing.

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So I think I missed 10 minutes of it on its 1st broadcast as well.

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I was hovering over the play record buttons on my VCR.

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And then this black and white thing started and I thought, what's this?

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What's this?

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And then by the time I did that, I don't think I got all apart or speech.

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No, no.

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Look, brand new console.

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Yes, Malcolm Thornton.

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What do we think?

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world, you know, it's very 80s.

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I can't believe she's wearing those super bloody shoes.

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Don't they know?

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They always end up in, Oh, we're whales actually.

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Yeah, I love this console.

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The most peaceful place in the world.

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Boggy Wales.

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Is this his only bit of location work?

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You know, I think it might be. to Planet of Fire.

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And this is actually a remount.

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They recorded these scenes and the film was discovered to be damaged during processing or was damaged during processing.

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I'm not sure which.

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But they had to, they had to drag all 3 of them back out to Welsh Wales.

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I think this is actually really beautiful.

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And we've complained about Moffat before, but the last time he did something which was more than undead, I think we all talked about how good he was on location.

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And I think this is really good.

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I love the performances of the 3 leads.

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I love that thing where Turlo shows, the doctor, the sketch, and, like, the doctor kind of subtly indicates that he thinks it's crap.

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And then both of them laugh.

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That was a really disdainful side eye, wasn't it?

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That was worthy of the bitterest drag queen.

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Oh, isn't it?

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Someone's playing missile command. meanwhile.

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Isn't it funny how both Tegan and Turlo are talented at doing the sketching?

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It's like the Tartars translating languages.

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Now, here we have, Richard Herndle, playing William Hartnell, playing David Bradley, playing the 1st doctor.

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And there's a...

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The lovely reprise from Three Doctors.

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Yeah, there's a wonderful fan theory that this is like 2 minutes after he's been dropped off after that.

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Omega nonsense.

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Oh, bloody bollocks.

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I love that black triangle.

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So do I. It's fantastic.

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In the 1995 special edition, it was sort of replaced by a glass pyrot.

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Whirling, swirly snow cone of gray yucky poo.

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It's sort of a cheap CSO Phantom Zone, isn't it, from Superman 95.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That makes it so endearing.

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Oh, yeah, you know, it's...

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Who made this for?

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Oh, actually, that looks like a Rato's iPhone, doesn't it?

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It doesn't read.

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Did you think he got turned into that?

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as a child.

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Can you imagine the fans at home with the making of Doctor Who book going, oh, this is a celestial toy maker?

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That's a good point because this was so exciting at the time.

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You could only see photos in that, you know, at the time in that exciting radio times special 20th anniversary special.

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And, oh, my goodness, how excitement.

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It's Lieutenant Carstairs, really?

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We talked about how nice it was.

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It's really, really cold here on locations, South Wales, isn't it?

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The wings whistling through the trees.

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I brought this gonk coach, those poor little gerbils.

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We were talking about how nice it was that the brigadier had been reintroduced fairly recently and so when he comes back, he is a bit of an old friend and he does have a relationship with some of our regulars.

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And, you know, there's there's no...

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Oh, well, insist on seeing Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart, but there's no sort of reason for, as you well know, kind of dialogue.

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Yay, Pat.

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I love Pat so much.

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Something I didn't realise till recently.

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So good, isn't it?

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I know, why?

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Well, you know, why?

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Couldn't they just find a bit of the BBC?

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Because it's on like, hey, because it's on film, it's completely forgivable, though.

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You would never know.

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No, absolutely.

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It's a lot of needless expense. lovely.

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Well, I gather that because of the special production budget, you know, they had a bit of, they had a bit of BBC production, but they had a bit of children need, of course, because it went out as part of children in need night.

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I think they had a bit more time at Ealing than they would usually have.

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You know that it was an ABC, an Australian broadcasting commission co-production as well.

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Yeah, and maybe BBC worldwide paid for some of it.

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Yeah, I think they did.

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And Todd, am I right in remembering that the original ABC broadcast had the ABC logo in the Starfield title sequence and the stars sort of burst out of that?

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I had no idea. remember that.

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I don't remember that.

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Yes?

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Something like that.

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Yes, that sounding familiar.

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Okay.

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Because I'm sure...

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Always turn to the bottle again.

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He's not got it.

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No wonder Bambera's coming in.

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I really.

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The thing I find strange about this is that this sergeant then said, this is the doctor, but he tried to stop the doctor from going in like a minute ago as if he was some sort of, you know, not allowed in. just find that really bizarre.

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It must have been...

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Consulting the files while they were having...

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Yeah yeah.

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Maybe he's only familiar with perks.

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Oh, the terrible zodiac.

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I love that joke.

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And then this whole bit is just Pat going off of one and Nick trying not to laugh.

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It is kind of a slightly crappy reason to get him here.

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He just came in to pass a few snarky remarks about the decor and then he left immediately.

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So that's the nicest part.

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The thing is that's so packed.

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It is so brief.

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Hello, go for a stroll for 30 metres and then I've got to go, you know?

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And I just love that there are a whole lot of sidey adventures, not even mentioning season 6B, which is obviously part of it.

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Well, how does he know later wrong?

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Now, Jamie, I love that black triangle.

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Yeah, so do I. I don't believe there's actually footage of it, but on an earlier shot, the shot was somehow spoiled when they're turning around to look at the obelisk.

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So Pat just ad-lived, you haven't met my aunt Bertha, have you?

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They're a great pairing too, aren't they?

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It's a really really good choice.

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Great jokes to my past detaching themselves like melting icebergs. love that line.

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He actually is.

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He's not bad in this.

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I want to see the Robert Holmes version of all of this.

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So Robert Holmes was originally commissioned to write it, and he did write something called The Six Doctors.

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Is that correct?

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So his premise was because John Nathan Turner said to him, try and come up with some, with some plot, some plot information as to why the 1st doctor looks wrong.

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So in Robert Holmes treatment, his idea, it was called the 6 doctors because they were going to acknowledge that this was a cyber duplicate.

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Was it made by the daleks on the planet?

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Yes.

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Say word, because say word, you know, it was so obsessive about cyber persons.

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And, of course, they were Robert Holmes's pet hate.

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Let's have a look at Revenge of the Side, the people again.

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This is just a massive, huge piece of birthday cake, this show.

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There is nothing you can say against it other than, you know, he's driving through the plot holes right now, but...

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What was I going to say?

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Beep, beep, beep.

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Good old best.

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He's actually, I love that he's written as Captain Haddock from the Tim Tim comics for this one, as we were saying.

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Yeah, yeah, the Robert Holmes thing because he hated Cybermen and all the rest of it.

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Anyway, they're all set on planet Maladoon. remember?

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Yes.

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And the cyber people were stealing Time Lords to try and get the coding for their DNA to break the laws of, you know, just got the laws of timiness, as you'd later use in 2 doctors.

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And those shoes are just so stupid.

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You know you're going to end up walking through a quarry or a bog mine.

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They really go with pizza.

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How do you think he chooses her outfits?

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So does Turlo's hair.

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So we do we do dollars?

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Do we do Doctor Who frock cast?

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because this is Tegan's his her new outfit?

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hideous.

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Johnny wears it once.

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She does only wear it for this.

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So what was she wearing in King's demons?

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She was wearing the multicoloured mini dress that she'll wear again in Warriors of the Deep.

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Oh, okay.

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I just like wearing on the anniversary poster.

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Oh, but you can criticise that and not this?

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Well, I'm criticising the raincoat.

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I don't mind that.

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Liz is a gonk.

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Oh, no, no.

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Prada, because that's what Prada was doing then.

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It's actually very princess died for a photo shoot before I got married.

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That sort of string tie thing.

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Yeah, yeah, it's all well, it was Prada in the day.

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It's Bill.

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Sheathes to deciding everyone's getting to be Bill.

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I'm going to be Bill.

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Yes.

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Yay, John Dason.

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Yay.

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And your neighbours look at this and go, really?

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No wonder you've got no husband.

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And yet deaths are falling over.

237
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Look at that.

238
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And the perm?

239
00:12:53.940 --> 00:12:55.500
What can we say about Liz's perm?

240
00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:56.700
Not my favourite thing.

241
00:12:56.940 --> 00:12:58.980
Actually, yeah, toilet.

242
00:12:59.039 --> 00:12:59.700
Oh, she's always good.

243
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You are the afficionado on Sarah Jane's outfits.

244
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How do you rate this one overall?

245
00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.240
I don't like this one very much.

246
00:13:06.299 --> 00:13:07.620
A lot of peach happening, isn't it?

247
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you give it one.

248
00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:09.779
5 Andy pandies, do you reckon?

249
00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:11.759
Andy candy.

250
00:13:11.820 --> 00:13:18.120
Look, for me, I mean, I've mentioned this before was when I saw her at the lunch one day in London.

251
00:13:18.179 --> 00:13:22.320
She came out of the tube station wearing another coloured version of that raincoat.

252
00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:27.480
So for me, that will always, that always sticks in my mind. always stick in my mind.

253
00:13:27.539 --> 00:13:28.980
Oh, look who it is.

254
00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:29.820
It's Lala.

255
00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:30.539
Tom.

256
00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.480
And somehow the dialogue is instantly improved.

257
00:13:33.659 --> 00:13:38.759
And have you noticed how much more fun this looks because they're not having to stick to a list.

258
00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:52.320
Do you get the impression, even though we all loved 5 doctors, and even at the time, this suddenly felt so fresh and exciting, and Douglas... this bit here. felt yet to us, this and, well, not to me.

259
00:13:52.379 --> 00:13:52.860
Canberra.

260
00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:53.639
It felt...

261
00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:54.779
I was a bit younger, though.

262
00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.179
I was a bit younger and I just thought this was just part of it.

263
00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:58.679
I didn't know that Tom wasn't going to be in it.

264
00:13:58.740 --> 00:13:59.159
Oh, okay.

265
00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:07.139
I'd seen pictures of the, in the paper with the dummy thing, but they only used the one where they were all standing around.

266
00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:08.519
I just thought, oh, Tom looks a bit strange.

267
00:14:08.580 --> 00:14:09.600
I didn't put 2 and 2 together.

268
00:14:09.659 --> 00:14:13.080
So actually, I was really disappointed when he actually gets trapped, you know?

269
00:14:13.139 --> 00:14:15.000
So I just took this as part of the story.

270
00:14:15.059 --> 00:14:16.799
You know the dummy thing?

271
00:14:16.860 --> 00:14:23.399
So what you're talking about is they used waxwork from Madame Tussault to represent Tom in the photo shoot?

272
00:14:23.460 --> 00:14:38.220
And that waxwork has actually appeared in Doctor Who in the closing scene of Day of the Doctor, when they have that tableau of all of the doctors together and some smart ass has put Tom's waxwork in there to represent Tom.

273
00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.320
Yeah, yeah, go back and look at it.

274
00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:43.919
I honestly didn't realise.

275
00:14:43.980 --> 00:14:48.419
Yeah, and it's strange because like, you know, he was older in the last season and all that.

276
00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.919
Whereas I just kind of went with this and, oh, it's great that they're there and they're together and they look great.

277
00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.080
And it was just part of the story for me.

278
00:14:55.139 --> 00:15:03.059
Yeah, I remember as a kid, I just thought the 4th doctor getting trapped was part of the plot.

279
00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:07.139
It never occurred to me that Tom only wanted to do a scene or didn't even want to do that scene.

280
00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:14.220
And for me, it increased the drama of it because the doctor who's closest to this doctor is in danger.

281
00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:16.080
So, you know, if he's he's wiped out.

282
00:15:16.139 --> 00:15:18.000
Oh, he's going to start... vanishing now.

283
00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:19.200
He's going to start vanishing.

284
00:15:19.259 --> 00:15:27.899
And, you know, this is somewhere where the special edition's kind of weird because they keep cutting back at, oh, Pete's vanished again and cut to something else and, oh, back to Pete.

285
00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:28.740
He's vanished again.

286
00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.860
I don't remember ever watching the special edition.

287
00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:33.000
You know what?

288
00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:38.279
I loved it when it came out. had extra stuff you hadn't seen before.

289
00:15:38.340 --> 00:15:39.299
Was it?

290
00:15:39.419 --> 00:15:41.100
It was like the 1st DVD release.

291
00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.080
It wasn't part of the proper range. that right?

292
00:15:43.139 --> 00:15:44.580
They originally...

293
00:15:44.700 --> 00:15:46.500
Oh, and throw your handbag, love. we go.

294
00:15:47.340 --> 00:15:49.919
It was originally done for video.

295
00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:51.059
Okay.

296
00:15:51.059 --> 00:15:55.139
So it came out on a video set with a pack of cards and the Kings Demons.

297
00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:59.759
Um, and he boots uh, the UK chemist chain.

298
00:15:59.820 --> 00:16:02.639
It came out on video with a special blue and black dalek.

299
00:16:02.700 --> 00:16:05.580
Can I actually, sorry, blue and silver Dalek, I think, which I actually have up there.

300
00:16:05.700 --> 00:16:08.759
And I would have hoped like a bottle of Mogadon or something, probably.

301
00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:20.700
But yes, it was then the 1st DVD release was the special edition with a standalone soundtrack you could listen to at the wrong speed.

302
00:16:20.820 --> 00:16:29.100
And in America, it had a commentary with Pete and Terrence Dix, which is also on the 2nd disc of this release.

303
00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:35.340
I'm just looking at Peter fading in and out here, and I've also just seen Tegan's mullet haircut.

304
00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:37.799
I really don't like that haircut.

305
00:16:37.860 --> 00:16:40.200
No, it's Jo 1983.

306
00:16:40.379 --> 00:16:42.899
It's actually a bit rock folly's in 1978.

307
00:16:43.139 --> 00:16:45.779
There's a whole post-punk thing she's doing really nicely here.

308
00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:47.159
She's rocking on.

309
00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:54.179
I love how at this point they've given up using the mechanical opening for the scanner and it's just a CSO inlay.

310
00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:56.279
Yeah, it still works.

311
00:16:56.340 --> 00:16:59.580
It convinced me as a kid. loving the action figures.

312
00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:04.319
Well, they, they were sold at auction a couple of years ago.

313
00:17:04.380 --> 00:17:11.099
Well, you know, they're the only one of the few things that JNT, well, didn't really nick, but, you know, kept after the shoots.

314
00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:13.380
Yes, he took the whole lot.

315
00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.220
So that was probably from the Gary Downey retirement fund.

316
00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.319
Did I just see Boom Shadow on her hair?

317
00:17:19.380 --> 00:17:20.039
You did.

318
00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:23.880
I believe that's painted out in the special edition.

319
00:17:23.940 --> 00:17:25.380
Thank goodness.

320
00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:28.740
Yeah, well, it ruined it for me. on the whole show.

321
00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.759
So I am not liking the new console.

322
00:17:32.819 --> 00:17:34.079
No, I never liked it.

323
00:17:34.140 --> 00:17:36.299
It just looked no, it looked like it was made of liquor.

324
00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:38.400
I love having lots of buttons depressed.

325
00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:41.160
You know, like I love anything with lots of butter.

326
00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.920
Well, I think her reaction is really stating at all, isn't it?

327
00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:48.299
And we can't get over that Liz Sladden was allowed to do the warpaper for this episode.

328
00:17:48.420 --> 00:17:50.039
What the hell?

329
00:17:50.099 --> 00:17:54.720
Well, this was what Ark of Infinity looked like, where it was just horrific foil wallpaper.

330
00:17:54.779 --> 00:17:58.140
This is the best who farted scene we've had so far this season.

331
00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:01.200
But this is so much better than Arc of Infinity.

332
00:18:01.259 --> 00:18:04.619
There's depth, there's things off the walls and on the walls.

333
00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.079
We've got a much better barusa in the form of Philip Latham.

334
00:18:07.140 --> 00:18:08.279
I think he's much much better.

335
00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.440
He just has his name.

336
00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.660
The Castalan has not been such a bitch as...

337
00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:14.279
I don't know, with this long. don't know.

338
00:18:14.339 --> 00:18:15.480
Oh, no he is.

339
00:18:15.539 --> 00:18:16.380
He's throwing shade.

340
00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:18.539
And then they've got the wonderful chance for fate.

341
00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:19.740
Yeah, I'll say name.

342
00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:21.119
Yeah, Chancellor, yeah.

343
00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:21.839
Diana Sheridan.

344
00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:23.519
Welcome to the bet.

345
00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:25.680
That can never make any sense, Flavour.

346
00:18:25.740 --> 00:18:27.180
Looky, looky, looky.

347
00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.400
It's a bit like, you know what?

348
00:18:30.539 --> 00:18:32.339
For Bondfinger, we watched Thunderball last night.

349
00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:33.900
No, he didn't.

350
00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:35.880
We watched it's non-union.

351
00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:36.539
Yes, right.

352
00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:37.740
We watched Never Say Never again.

353
00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:39.180
And this is a bit like that.

354
00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:42.240
It's like, really, this is the only person you can call in for help.

355
00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:46.200
The only person you can call him for help is a 52-year-old Sean Cottery.

356
00:18:46.259 --> 00:18:49.680
It's looking quite similar covered in all that slap too.

357
00:18:49.740 --> 00:18:52.440
I'm just loving loving the way he runs all his words together.

358
00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.099
I assume maybe...

359
00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:58.200
Yeah, it's strange delivery, isn't it?

360
00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:00.119
I do love this line.

361
00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.039
Okay, now this makes no sense.

362
00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:04.200
Oh, that's gorgeous.

363
00:19:04.259 --> 00:19:06.180
But hang on, hang on.

364
00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:07.259
This. hang on.

365
00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:11.160
Well, if they've been able to extend regeneration cycles.

366
00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:12.359
The face gives it away.

367
00:19:12.420 --> 00:19:17.519
Why the hell hasn't been pissfighting around with the eye of harmony and several action.

368
00:19:17.579 --> 00:19:19.799
Is this worried about dying?

369
00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.079
Yes, that's the point.

370
00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:27.299
Surely, you know, you could say, oh, you need the appreciate, you know, uh, Billy, meanwhile on Scara.

371
00:19:27.420 --> 00:19:28.980
We'll come back to that, won't we?

372
00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:35.460
No, no, I think that regeneration cycle thing has been enshrined in the new show.

373
00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:36.779
That's how we got Capaldi.

374
00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.599
But this is the 1st time it's mentioned in the classic series.

375
00:19:39.660 --> 00:19:43.440
And I think that they must have only just invented it because otherwise it makes no sense.

376
00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:46.740
And the only reason this barusa isn't using it.

377
00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:47.339
I know.

378
00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.259
Oh my god, it's German expressionism.

379
00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.200
No wonder he looks horrified.

380
00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:55.740
He's actually horrified even when he recognises Susan.

381
00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:57.660
We dumped you.

382
00:19:59.339 --> 00:20:02.039
We don't even recognise her.

383
00:20:02.099 --> 00:20:13.619
Like, I mean, I think, I think, I mean, obviously they want to try and, you know, who is this because they don't pick her up like everybody else, but I think it's a bit of a slap in the face that she doesn't get time scooped like everyone else.

384
00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:14.819
I mean, it's written in the novel.

385
00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:17.279
It is written in the novel.

386
00:20:17.339 --> 00:20:18.480
It was never in the script.

387
00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:19.680
They just didn't have the budget for it.

388
00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:21.480
And this dialect looks really rough.

389
00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:24.299
We haven't had dialects for a long time.

390
00:20:24.299 --> 00:20:25.859
1979.

391
00:20:25.980 --> 00:20:26.700
Yeah.

392
00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:28.019
So it's been 4 years.

393
00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:29.099
It is exciting.

394
00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:31.920
And I mean, it is what you want to do for an anniversary special.

395
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:34.079
It was exciting seeing it on screen again.

396
00:20:34.140 --> 00:20:40.140
There's also a kind of very low tech way in which the doctor defeats the Dalek, which I think works very well.

397
00:20:40.140 --> 00:20:42.480
Like, it's like what would have happened in the Hartley area.

398
00:20:42.539 --> 00:20:43.619
Yeah, absolutely. absolutely.

399
00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:47.460
Um Yeah.

400
00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:56.279
You know, okay, I've said before that Peter Moffatt retired from acting with modern under, but there are some good touches in this, like that high end. directing directing.

401
00:20:56.339 --> 00:20:57.240
Well, exactly.

402
00:20:57.240 --> 00:20:58.980
Peter Moffett is actually Peter Davidson.

403
00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:01.559
Don't speak too soon.

404
00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:03.660
We'll get some great direction coming up short.

405
00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:05.640
Hat. Got a hat.

406
00:21:05.700 --> 00:21:09.000
You notice when he turns naughty bad in case anyone has...

407
00:21:09.059 --> 00:21:16.619
He puts on another little outfit to match the masters and he puts a little blackout victim and he goes and plays the harp because that's just how big people he really is.

408
00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:23.579
Yeah, yeah. been going into the other room, changing the evil outfit, operating, playing missile command for a while, then sort of coming back.

409
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:25.200
Who was the Joan Crawford all the time?

410
00:21:25.980 --> 00:21:29.160
She had 5 different outfits for different things during the day.

411
00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:30.359
Here we go.

412
00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:33.480
Well, cosmos. scarcely better.

413
00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.480
Is he having problems with his dentures?

414
00:21:36.539 --> 00:21:37.980
He's just not sucking.

415
00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:39.240
Yeah, he's sucking his teeth back in.

416
00:21:39.299 --> 00:21:42.000
He's accidentally put in Billy Piper's new teeth.

417
00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:43.740
Exactly.

418
00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:45.779
That's my response as well, Auntie Fluff.

419
00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.359
Sheridan just because the most bitchy look.

420
00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.720
She's so unimpressed by the whole...

421
00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:52.259
And you know what?

422
00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.279
I don't often say this. about Elsbert Gray, but she's so much better than Elsbert Gray.

423
00:21:56.339 --> 00:21:59.220
Who else who looks one of the best things...

424
00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:02.460
She's lying in a sun peep in the death zone, isn't she?

425
00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:03.960
Yeah, in the cushion.

426
00:22:04.019 --> 00:22:07.740
With Zorac, with Zorac.

427
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:08.819
Yeah, yeah.

428
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:10.140
Wow, I'm just in the race.

429
00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:11.700
That's my favourite.

430
00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:13.319
It's those two.

431
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:14.220
Go on.

432
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:18.299
So cruel of you to say that she's gone.

433
00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:22.680
They send them and not the chancellery...

434
00:22:22.740 --> 00:22:25.619
Maybe that's why Colin's not in this one because Maxwell was set out there.

435
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:27.900
Well, they didn't seem to have any Maxwells.

436
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:28.440
What's that?

437
00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:30.420
Yeah, there wasn't a big giant. contract over.

438
00:22:31.019 --> 00:22:33.420
Sucked off to a time.

439
00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:36.660
Can I just say, like, I mean, with Susan?

440
00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:39.960
Like, if you weren't a fan, you wouldn't know who that woman was.

441
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:41.099
I reckon they should do us.

442
00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:42.420
Oh, but grandpa, grandma did.

443
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:43.500
I don't think so.

444
00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:45.180
I think like she's unrecognisable.

445
00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:45.599
She's got.

446
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:47.220
I don't think she's got any traits.

447
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:47.940
She trips over.

448
00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:48.720
She looks at a big bomb.

449
00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:49.200
That's about it.

450
00:22:49.259 --> 00:22:50.279
She trips over.

451
00:22:50.339 --> 00:22:51.299
That is kind of so.

452
00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:52.619
But they could have gone for stunt casting.

453
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:53.819
I reckon they could have got some.

454
00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:55.079
Oh, who was bigger 982?

455
00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:55.920
Jane Asher.

456
00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:59.880
Well, Street, they could have got Meryl Streeping to do that role.

457
00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:05.579
Well, even better, rather than these 2 who are unrecognisable, wouldn't have been Peter Cushing and Roberta Toby.

458
00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:07.859
There's a car.

459
00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:08.700
That would have been awesome.

460
00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:19.799
Well, that wonderful thing that appeared on Twitter this week, what would Doctor Who fan Twitter have been like in 1972 with the 3 doctors upcoming when someone actually posted, why is Peter Cushing not in this?

461
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:21.359
He was in big budget films.

462
00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:22.380
This is a disgrace.

463
00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:23.640
Let's must go.

464
00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:25.079
I've started a Facebook page.

465
00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:29.519
I just want you to think of Peter Cushing and Roberta Toby in these roles.

466
00:23:29.579 --> 00:23:42.779
You know, I think I think that fandom in this period has a really awkward relationship with the idea of Susan and they're slightly embarrassed about Susan being the doctor's grandfather, grandfather.

467
00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:49.319
I meant to say that, about Susan being the doctor's granddaughter, partly, I think, because it implies the doctor once had sex.

468
00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:51.240
Yeah, we can't have that.

469
00:23:51.299 --> 00:24:00.359
But also, I think, because, you know, he abandons her and just gets a sort of string of other people and, you know, is she a companion, that's really great. isn't it?

470
00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:00.779
isn't it?

471
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:02.220
This is this mitt thing.

472
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:03.299
It's great.

473
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.420
But they don't want her to be special.

474
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:15.599
And so, so it is very, very deliberately, you know, she's kind of backgrounded and you get none of the things that you would get in a modern thing.

475
00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:19.559
You know, she meets Peter Davidson and there's no reaction.

476
00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:21.000
Oh no, there is.

477
00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:22.079
Yeah, yeah, there is.

478
00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:25.019
That was made me so angry.

479
00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:26.940
She looks at his crotch or something.

480
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.779
And in the extended version, she really undresses him.

481
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:32.160
It's quite disturbing.

482
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.799
He's got a fray and eyeballs.

483
00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:37.019
Oh, these 2 work so well together.

484
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:38.460
They are so good, aren't they?

485
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.779
No, there is actually a lovely thing, but because of crisis and other stuff going on. holding it in.

486
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:43.980
Yeah.

487
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.799
No, as a child, I didn't pick it up, but now I've been able to forgive them all.

488
00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:48.359
I love this location.

489
00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:52.440
I love that he's come as the Tegan Jabanka appreciation. coat.

490
00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:58.019
I do love that when they bring Susan back in Big Finish with Paul McGann.

491
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.000
They really get her character right.

492
00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:01.559
Yeah, they really do.

493
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.400
Spoiler alert, when they meet for the 1st time, there is no recrimination.

494
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:08.640
She is so pleased to see him because, you know, you could do a whole hour on...

495
00:25:08.700 --> 00:25:09.359
You left me.

496
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:09.839
How could you?

497
00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:11.279
And it's like, actually, no.

498
00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:15.599
You didn't...

499
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:17.339
Simon's wearing...

500
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:18.779
You left me to...

501
00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:20.819
No, Scotsman.

502
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:21.839
The Schidman was wearing jeans.

503
00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:22.859
Did you see it, Jeff?

504
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:24.839
That was David Campbell all the time.

505
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.759
I wanted that scene at the beginning where she says, oh, Graham, I'm just going out to walk the dog.

506
00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:31.799
And everybody goes, who's Graham?

507
00:25:31.859 --> 00:25:32.759
Well, she's obviously ditched.

508
00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:35.279
She's just fallen down a hill.

509
00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:36.359
Oh, no.

510
00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:37.799
That's the cliffhanger to episode.

511
00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:40.079
That's surprising, doom.

512
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:42.119
So there was a four-part.

513
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:50.700
There was a four-part version of this where they put cliffhangers in at random, and this is something that we'll revisit, of course, in season 20 too.

514
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.759
But that was the Cliffhanger to episode one.

515
00:25:53.819 --> 00:25:58.859
Her precipitous fall down, a giant steep clip.

516
00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:00.119
And you want to know something?

517
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.900
I think from memory, it's not even the fall that's the cliffhanger.

518
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:05.339
It's her saying, K 9.

519
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:06.960
Why didn't I listen to that?

520
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:12.000
I actually think she fell down quite well, but she did.

521
00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:14.039
It's poorly directed.

522
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:23.400
They really need, like, this is, like, even Peter Moffat on the making off says, I thought I shot it at an angle, but it looked quite steep, but I didn't tell.

523
00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:25.680
I made I made Liz look like an idiot.

524
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:26.700
I'm sorry.

525
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.259
Well, you know what was going to happen?

526
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:33.119
They were actually in a destroyed and it looked like a post-Holocaust street.

527
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:35.700
And then Autons were going to appear.

528
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:41.400
And yes, and Pertz and Lizzy were going to, of course, the whole proper mini adventure.

529
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:43.259
Yeah, and then they said, oh, no, I haven't got the money.

530
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:51.779
Because we built that stupid set of the unit office and they drank all the rest of the funds, all that, what's his face, Crichton slogging the scotch.

531
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.180
This is also a great moment.

532
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.140
Yes.

533
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.000
Thank you, Towens.

534
00:26:57.059 --> 00:27:01.680
Towence was reportedly furious because it was Sarah who was meant to say teeth and curls.

535
00:27:01.740 --> 00:27:02.700
John said it instead.

536
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:09.240
And he's like, one, John, as usual, you steal the joke of the scene, two, John, you can't know that.

537
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.359
But she does it beautifully.

538
00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:13.259
Oh, yeah.

539
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:19.259
Well, by the way, it's just lovely to see the 3rd doctor morphing more and more into B. Arthur.

540
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:25.019
Because this actually does feel more like a reunion of the Golden Girls does. as we go on.

541
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.240
If you look speaking of which lesson.

542
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:31.440
If you look at them, you might ask.

543
00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:35.460
If you look very carefully in the Deadpool movie, isn't it?

544
00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:37.980
Todd is having apoplexy.

545
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:43.140
Let's just sit on this rock and I'm going to go look, see, around, is there actually a corn here?

546
00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:44.039
There is not.

547
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:45.599
They just make up the corner.

548
00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:48.420
They shouldn't be able to see it.

549
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.339
It's just...

550
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:54.539
I thought you were complaining about the 2nd polystar in rocking 2 scenes.

551
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:59.460
You know, it's not like they could have then shot them coming out from behind that rock and faked it.

552
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:00.839
There's a rock there.

553
00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:05.640
That's why you were when you were saying about his direction, like there's moments of terribleness.

554
00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:06.720
Oh, dear.

555
00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:08.279
I don't mind that.

556
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:10.079
Oh, you buggered it up.

557
00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:13.500
I love, I love, though, that Susan knows exactly.

558
00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:17.099
Yeah, and she didn't get horribly electrocuted because she's wearing gloves.

559
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:17.819
She's done all this before.

560
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.180
I dislike her saying the words galifrey as well.

561
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.460
Susan and the doctor weren't from Gallifrey.

562
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.259
Gallifrey wasn't invented until season 11.

563
00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:26.759
Yeah, they're from the year.

564
00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:30.779
They're from the year 5,043 fleeing a war in order to destroy the future.

565
00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:33.359
Another time, another world.

566
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:37.380
Do you know it was us to direct this, don't you, if you want to say nothing Moffat things?

567
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:38.339
It was Warris.

568
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:39.180
Hussein.

569
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:39.839
Really?

570
00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:44.759
And I believe the only reason he didn't was he was offshooting one of the prestigious period dramas.

571
00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:46.740
He said, I've got a life.

572
00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:49.920
Oh Susan's so excited.

573
00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:53.460
No, but no, she...

574
00:28:53.519 --> 00:29:00.119
And the thing is, the thing is, in a moment when Pete walks around the console, he does, he's looking at Susan.

575
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:01.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

576
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:08.460
You see, but there's this thing, but it's kind of, I don't like that he's looking away, but she's actually doing a great little job.

577
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.819
Well, they're given nothing to do and she clearly wants to do something.

578
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:12.900
Well, evidently.

579
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:18.900
And the thing is, that thing you were mentioning earlier about Nathan of, you know, not wanting to apply, imply the doctor had sex.

580
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.660
That was coming from JNT.

581
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:25.980
JNT insisted in the script that Susan Cole, the doctor.

582
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:26.579
Doctor.

583
00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:27.000
Doctor.

584
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.259
And Carol Anne said.

585
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.779
I'm calling him grandfather, or I'm not doing the show.

586
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.259
Which is one of the few times that Fred actually worked.

587
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:35.819
And this is great.

588
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.279
Look at Janet's reaction.

589
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:40.559
And look at Turlo's is sucked in.

590
00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:42.000
Yeah, yeah.

591
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.519
But you know who is in the kitchen?

592
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:45.420
Chameleon.

593
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:46.980
So he is.

594
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:50.099
So he's rusting into the cafe machine.

595
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.920
But again, in the script.

596
00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:57.599
It's Susan and Susan and Tegan who go off and get it and it was both...

597
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.819
It was Carol and Janet in rehearsal said, nah.

598
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:01.680
They rewrote it.

599
00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:06.240
Don't you love that they've all got their Franklin Mint 20th anniversary collectable tea coasters here.

600
00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:08.160
Yes, and and y-os.

601
00:30:08.220 --> 00:30:09.960
It is never seen ever again.

602
00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:11.220
This is the Q-Lab scene.

603
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.259
I love that little transmat thing.

604
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:14.339
It is good.

605
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:15.059
Tom's old.

606
00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:15.539
It is good.

607
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:23.819
In the commentary, in the David Tennant commentary, which is a special edition for DVD feature.

608
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:25.140
Which is like an Easter egg.

609
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.220
Not as entertaining as us.

610
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:27.119
It's pretty good though.

611
00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:30.660
He does call that the coaster of Wrestle.

612
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:39.359
Now that wasn't the Flavia's part of the screen wasn't locked off there.

613
00:30:39.420 --> 00:30:43.500
She just had to stay really rarely still while Anthony Ainley bucket off.

614
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.880
There's a hint for you, eager-eyed listeners there.

615
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:55.740
There's an extension to that scene in the special edition where Barusa says, I would prefer to wait alone and they just look at him like, well, fine.

616
00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:00.839
We'll leave then. nipping off to get into his villain costume and play the harp.

617
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.480
He doesn't even have a pole to slide down like Adam West.

618
00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:10.380
Now, you see, this is info dumping, but it's Patrick, so it's wonderful.

619
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.059
Yeah, we don't care. right.

620
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:16.619
Although he looks really old and tremendously cold, doesn't he?

621
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.480
He looks exactly the same.

622
00:31:18.539 --> 00:31:27.720
And isn't it interesting just as the 3 doctors, when these 2 are together and when Pat's on screen, it's his show. and it's completely the Patrick Trout and show.

623
00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:29.700
He really is the best actor in the entire team.

624
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.579
And I can't remember who had it, but one of the naughtiest.

625
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:32.940
Yes.

626
00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:37.680
Well, that leads into, I can't remember which one of them, but one of them's got a hip flask under there.

627
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:39.539
And that's...

628
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:41.880
All right.

629
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:42.480
Hooray.

630
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:45.599
You deserve nothing less.

631
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.119
He's wearing a dressing gown.

632
00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:50.460
Come on, we were, yes, he's actually wearing my mother's order.

633
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:51.660
No, it's actually Mordron.

634
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:57.539
But do you remember when we were little thinking that was maybe the emaciated master or another version of the master?

635
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:58.740
Did you think that is a job?

636
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.359
I thought it was one of the other masters.

637
00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:03.599
I just like how he got his cloak dispensed in the transition.

638
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:05.339
Yeah, that's the worst thing ever.

639
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:06.960
Bruce is big on frock.

640
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:09.960
It would have been so much better if he'd stolen the cloak from the court.

641
00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:11.460
The very master.

642
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:12.000
I'm cold.

643
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:12.960
Look at this.

644
00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:14.160
What a lovely spread.

645
00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:14.940
What the hell?

646
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.279
One of them is actually chameleon.

647
00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:18.599
Good point.

648
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:19.680
The avocado.

649
00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:21.539
Yeah, the centrepiece.

650
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.460
I think the whole centrepiece.

651
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:24.960
Which bit are they chewing on?

652
00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:25.920
I shall go to the town.

653
00:32:25.980 --> 00:32:34.799
Oh, I think it's got the prettiest backcombed, speaking of mullets, Todd, who's got the prettiest hair in this one.

654
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.859
This might be Pete's best hair for a while.

655
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:41.940
Is this the one where you've thought apart from Herndl's kind of off?

656
00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:43.980
But actually, I really like his performance.

657
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:44.940
It just isn't Billy.

658
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.920
But it just I just love who he's playing.

659
00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:47.640
I just know who it is.

660
00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:49.980
Oh, he's no, he's the Dalek replica.

661
00:32:49.980 --> 00:32:54.180
No, no, his kneebrocks. from Blake 7.

662
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.740
Yeah, so he was actually, he did get cast on the strength of his performance as an E-box.

663
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.180
He had the same hair, didn't he?

664
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:01.259
Yeah, yeah.

665
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:01.619
He did.

666
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:08.279
But yeah, John Nathan Turner and his memoirs does say, you know, I saw Richard Herndle in a nappy and said, there's William Hartnell.

667
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.140
There is nothing like him.

668
00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:12.180
Those parties at the BBC, I tell you.

669
00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:22.319
Did you think that at the time that our Pete was the closest to the young Billy of all of the doctors, that they seemed a genuine arc between the two?

670
00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:24.599
I certainly did watching this.

671
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:29.039
Absolutely, because he does have, he does have that short, shortness of temper thing.

672
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:35.579
It doesn't really come out in this, but certainly, you know, in things like the visitation and...

673
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:36.900
I love the short tent tempered.

674
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:37.740
I think is really good.

675
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:43.500
Yeah, like when Tegan takes too long to get dressed and enlightened, but his reaction to a frock is just, hmm.

676
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:48.539
He also has that trout and thing of being slightly panicked all the time, which I like too.

677
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.480
You know, I've been I've been thinking about Troughton recently.

678
00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:58.380
Oh, since doing doctor in 10 seconds, and he really is a ruthless pugger, I'll do a video.

679
00:33:58.440 --> 00:33:59.220
Oh, yeah.

680
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.359
Doctor W?

681
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:03.359
Oh, here we go.

682
00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:06.119
Has something been done to the colour of this?

683
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.380
It seems more saturated.

684
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:08.219
It's really pretty.

685
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:13.440
It's been, it's, they've got the, they had the original film trips and they completely regraded it.

686
00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:14.039
Oh, really?

687
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.659
Everyone's got lots and lots.

688
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.340
I think it's actually just showing up all the foundation.

689
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:18.599
They were in fact wearing.

690
00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:20.699
Did you get like that somehow Liz has found it?

691
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:21.659
She got a little blanky on.

692
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.800
Oh, no, it's a plastic Mac.

693
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:24.539
Friend of the podcast.

694
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:25.860
Yeah.

695
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:26.280
Todd.

696
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:28.199
Jehoshaphat. really you?

697
00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:32.460
I mean, there was, I thought at the time, the way he delivers that line, it's like, is that the master's name?

698
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:39.780
Yeah, it's not a common sort of playground expression used to, you know, connote surprise, is it?

699
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:41.699
Well, not since 1920 now.

700
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:47.219
But Anthony only gets to work now against John Pertby, the 3rd doctor.

701
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:48.900
I wonder who else who had lines with.

702
00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:50.880
Yes indeed.

703
00:34:50.940 --> 00:35:03.780
But now that Jehoshaphat thing, I never picked up on it, but just yesterday, friend of the podcast, who are Pete over on Twitter, we were discussing misconceptions in the show and he said that he thought the name was Jehoshaphat.

704
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:04.980
So he takes the seal there.

705
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:06.960
Hasn't the doctor have that in the new series?

706
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:09.059
Yeah, but Capaldi producers.

707
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:09.900
Oh, no, Capaldi?

708
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:11.820
I thought it was Matt Smith, but yeah, I can't remember either.

709
00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:16.920
I'll have that. such a thieving gypsy, that one.

710
00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:18.900
They're so mean to him, aren't they?

711
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:23.519
And all he's done is destroy a 3rd of the universe and kill Ness's father.

712
00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:25.440
But from their perspective, that hasn't happened.

713
00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:26.099
Yeah, yeah.

714
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.199
So they're even more mean. exactly.

715
00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:29.760
These thunderbolts are everywhere.

716
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:31.079
Yeah, what is it?

717
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:36.480
I think the Novacane hasn't worn off after his sort of dental treatment that afternoon.

718
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:39.719
I just love this.

719
00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:42.539
Like, he has to, which is quite fun.

720
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.179
And then they get about 30 metres and get blown up.

721
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.900
Oh, graphics.

722
00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:53.940
Well, we already had those crappy graphics in Lagopolis as well.

723
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.980
Does anyone remember whatever happened?

724
00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:57.300
No, not whatever happened to.

725
00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:59.039
Where in the world has come in San Diego?

726
00:35:59.219 --> 00:36:02.219
The Commodore 64 version looked like that.

727
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.320
That's a BBC micro, I think.

728
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:08.159
Oh, they exploded, Bessie.

729
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:10.019
That's all right.

730
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:10.559
She'll be back.

731
00:36:10.619 --> 00:36:12.360
How does it get back?

732
00:36:12.420 --> 00:36:16.559
Oh, the drags it all the way through the dead zone.

733
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.280
This is Glen Ridge hosting sale of the century.

734
00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:22.860
Talk that hat. the same console.

735
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:24.179
It's a terrible hat.

736
00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:25.320
He's got such a big tit.

737
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:26.340
Great, doesn't he?

738
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.320
I love his costume, though.

739
00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:30.659
Ooh, how are we?

740
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:31.739
Are we meant to believe?

741
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:33.179
Tailor's widow.

742
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.159
Oh, yeah, that's why he's wearing black.

743
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.179
Yeah, but I think maybe we're meant to believe that he's playing missile command.

744
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:41.760
He's a red herring.

745
00:36:41.820 --> 00:36:42.360
Yes.

746
00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:44.099
We need really?

747
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:45.840
There wasn't a lot of it, was there, no?

748
00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:52.380
It's again, it's another one of the things you point out, like, it's so exciting with all these potential villains that are actually in the background.

749
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:53.820
There's only one so far.

750
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.460
Who else could it be other than wrestling?

751
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:57.900
Well, do we think?

752
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:05.340
Also, you know, in the in Terence Stick's original treatment, it was the master, and it was actually Eric Zaywood, who said, everyone's going to expect it to be the master.

753
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:12.119
And, um, Terrence said, well, how about Barusarin and Eric said, that's perfect.

754
00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:14.639
We had Barusa earlier this year and he was a kind old man.

755
00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:18.480
So let's make him evil. screw it up The old man.

756
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:26.159
Did they make, we did say at the time they tried to get Cardinal Milk Moustache back to play this time.

757
00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:27.900
Aren't you glad they didn't?

758
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:29.099
Oh, thank no.

759
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.320
No, some great lines here.

760
00:37:34.380 --> 00:37:35.820
Oh, look at Pat.

761
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:36.539
Bless him.

762
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.400
Just that face.

763
00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:41.880
There's a rather lovely story about how Terrence Dix came to do this.

764
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:51.239
He was in a he was at a convention in America at 3 AM. his phone rang in his hotel room and it was Eric Say would ask him to write the anniversary special and Terrence said, great, pretty much great.

765
00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:52.079
I'm going back to sleep.

766
00:37:52.139 --> 00:37:52.739
Call me tomorrow.

767
00:37:52.800 --> 00:38:01.380
And when he and when he did call back, Eric Say would explain, well, you know, we've got Bob Holmes working on an idea for us, but we're not we're not sure about it and Bob's not sure about it.

768
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:02.880
So we thought we'd ask you for an idea.

769
00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:05.039
And whichever idea we like we'll use.

770
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:06.960
And Terence said...

771
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:08.760
We'll be fighting one another for our love.

772
00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:15.059
And Terence said, that's no way to treat a writer like Bob Holmes, and come to think of it, there's no way to treat a writer like me either.

773
00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:20.039
And let's just have a moment here for Richard Herndl's pineapple.

774
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:24.480
There's a blooper where he just completely annihilates it.

775
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:30.659
It's a nice change from all the Mangan that he was eating in that Blake 7 episode, I think.

776
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:38.820
But yeah, Terrence pretty much said, look, come back to me when you've decided what you actually want to do and I'll do it.

777
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.480
And, you know, he had no problem with replacing Bob Holmes, but he wasn't going to go into competition with him.

778
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.199
So, John has just spied the side of him, so...

779
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.559
So, a side man has appeared on screen in a John story.

780
00:38:49.619 --> 00:38:50.519
Yes.

781
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:51.840
In two.

782
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:52.619
Really?

783
00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:53.039
for two?

784
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:53.820
Mind of evil?

785
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.519
And Carnival of Monks.

786
00:38:56.579 --> 00:38:57.059
But even so.

787
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:57.539
Yeah.

788
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:08.760
But, I mean, the idea that, you know, every doctor has to meet the cyberman, you know, that is a sort of making of Doctor Who or the Doctor Who monster book brigade that we're really appealing to here.

789
00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:11.760
And the cybermen are kind of terrible in this.

790
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:13.679
I mean, they're always terrible, aren't they?

791
00:39:13.739 --> 00:39:14.880
And particularly in the 80s.

792
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.320
Yeah, well, part of the reasons they're so terrible is that Terence Dix hated that.

793
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:19.980
Yeah, right.

794
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:23.219
But also you end up with...

795
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:29.460
You end up with 3 different teams of cybermen because they can't afford autons and they can't afford more than one yeti.

796
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.139
That's that's why there's so many.

797
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.599
So I remember because they had 12 suits or whatever.

798
00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:34.079
Right.

799
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:39.300
And it's not just Eric Seywood's fetish, it's a matter of what they could actually afford.

800
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:46.500
I love the nursery rhymes. out here and I love all the mist, like the actual on location stuff, not the overlaid stuff.

801
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:49.199
Like, it really does make it quite atmospheric at times.

802
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:52.440
It is a really miserably cold shoe.

803
00:39:52.500 --> 00:40:00.119
Well, I mean, there's that story about John and his having to slap each other's senseless in the face to get colour back into their faces on vacation.

804
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:00.719
Right?

805
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.739
Yeah, but then they kept doing it in the studio and it just got awkward.

806
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:06.719
Get a room, guys.

807
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:10.679
Just brought back horrible memories of Monster of Paladon, probably.

808
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.380
No, Etis.

809
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:13.860
No.

810
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:20.340
Yeah, why didn't they bring back Terry Walsh for the anniversary special?

811
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:21.659
He's just as important.

812
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.340
That would have been awesome.

813
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.260
Look at Pete.

814
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.480
I love Pete running. dressing to the left.

815
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.920
Yep Pooey.

816
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.619
It's a matter of...

817
00:40:34.619 --> 00:40:36.059
That looks delighted to see him too.

818
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:36.840
Did you see that?

819
00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:39.900
I'm sorry, it's like, you know, we're walking up this hill and we haven't even looked over there.

820
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:41.159
Like he's just standing there, please.

821
00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:42.179
Hey, so, you know what?

822
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:50.940
To be honest, yesterday I was walking down a foot path and 3 people from work passed me and called out to be after they'd passed me and I didn't even notice them.

823
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.380
So I don't mind that so much.

824
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.500
What I do mind is that the doctor doesn't see this bloody side.

825
00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:58.679
Spider-Man comes up and goes, and then goes away.

826
00:40:58.739 --> 00:41:00.599
And in the special edition.

827
00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:06.780
In the special edition, they cut out that R because it wasn't deemed serious.

828
00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:07.619
Oh, please.

829
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.420
And these 2 didn't even see it.

830
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.719
Yeah, exact, you know, you'd think those 2 at least.

831
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:21.239
The Cybermen are hilarious in this, and it continues the tradition of having a super camp super posh side of the left-hand.

832
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.880
And it's the one who goes, promises to an alien.

833
00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:27.300
We have new military. is really great.

834
00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:30.360
It is carry-on tea lots, isn't it?

835
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.440
They've they've had to paint over the...

836
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:35.760
There's a very short side, man.

837
00:41:35.940 --> 00:41:38.460
You're wearing trainers or something.

838
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:43.980
They've had to paint they've painted over the glass jaws by this point.

839
00:41:44.219 --> 00:41:47.820
Was it only David Banks' assignment who had glass shore?

840
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:48.480
No, all of them?

841
00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:49.500
All of them originally.

842
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.019
And if you look at close-ups here.

843
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.099
I've got your yo-yo.

844
00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:08.940
Yeah, I believe to regrade the film, they looked at the piping on Pete's lapels and made it match the studio sequences and that was kind of their touchstone because each shot has to be, well, each camera has to be individually graded.

845
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.460
Yeah, look out. in the other way.

846
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:12.840
And now it's like...

847
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:13.920
You can't just leave...

848
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.000
What are you freaking yourself?

849
00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:15.960
Not only that.

850
00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:24.900
But when Tegan moves away, there's actually a cyberman between Susan and Tegan and the doctor that they didn't notice and that didn't go after Susan and Tegan.

851
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:30.539
Now, this is just a lovely, huge piece of cake and the fudgy icing is sinking into all the plot holes.

852
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:37.920
That explosion was quite close. twice as big and a piece of shrapnel actually cut through Anthony Ainley's cloak.

853
00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:38.820
Oh wow.

854
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:40.920
You know, and and...

855
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:45.840
That's enormous Anthony Ainley was terrified of all the explosions and whatnot.

856
00:42:45.900 --> 00:42:49.139
He insisted on doing it himself because he was a professional, but...

857
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:49.920
Yeah.

858
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:51.119
Yeah, very nice.

859
00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:56.039
And oh, in the special edition, they get Paul Jericho to say, we're bringing him in, blah, blah, blah.

860
00:42:56.099 --> 00:42:57.000
It's like, you don't need to.

861
00:42:57.059 --> 00:42:57.840
He presses the button.

862
00:42:57.900 --> 00:42:59.400
And this is wonderful too.

863
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:01.920
And the practical light on him.

864
00:43:01.980 --> 00:43:04.380
His delivery is really good.

865
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:06.179
Well, come on.

866
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:07.500
Come on, Susan. trip over nothing.

867
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.139
I'm the one in the stupid shoes and I'm so faster than you.

868
00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:13.679
That's why he dumped you.

869
00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:22.079
You know, they could have had the shot like that and you don't actually see what she trips over, but it's a sh, it's a shrub.

870
00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:25.139
She slowly lowers herself to the ground as well, doesn't she?

871
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.219
He had a great shot.

872
00:43:26.219 --> 00:43:29.099
With the hand and all that, and then it's followed up with that.

873
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.440
And that, you know, that's the story of Peter Moffatt, really.

874
00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:32.699
See, even that I think I like that.

875
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:33.239
Yeah.

876
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:37.559
This is not an equity member. love it.

877
00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:38.219
I do too.

878
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:38.940
I love it.

879
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:39.900
How can you not love it?

880
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.059
If you like cake, you like this.

881
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:42.599
Yeah.

882
00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:47.099
I like being drunk with your and getting away from your relatives at Christmas and to watch this.

883
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:47.940
You love this.

884
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:52.320
It's a great way of clearing a room to put this on.

885
00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:55.380
Everyone goes under, but we do it every Christmas.

886
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:56.460
Yes, dear we do.

887
00:43:56.940 --> 00:43:59.940
Are we going to do a dimensions in time commentary?

888
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.380
I think we should.

889
00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:02.820
I've never seen it.

890
00:44:02.940 --> 00:44:04.260
Yes, you have.

891
00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:05.519
I've not seen it.

892
00:44:05.579 --> 00:44:06.300
Little bits of it.

893
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:08.219
But then it's not very long anyway, is it?

894
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.099
It feels weird the 1st doctor saying trans mat as well.

895
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:12.539
Yes, it's wrong.

896
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.460
He never said trans anything, did he?

897
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:15.659
wasn't up for any of that.

898
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.480
No, he's a miserable old person.

899
00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:18.960
You.

900
00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:20.340
Oi, you, hello.

901
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.039
You could be my new granddaughter.

902
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:25.199
You know, I swapped them out quite frequently.

903
00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:29.280
Oh dear.

904
00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:32.039
This changes things. ain't got no hat.

905
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:37.079
Look, I mean, this is better than Arc of Infinity, but yeah, but so yeah, that's right. moscopy.

906
00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:37.739
That's it.

907
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.659
That's it. death by embolism.

908
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.840
But it's still very leaden, isn't it?

909
00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:44.280
Lots of people sitting around.

910
00:44:44.340 --> 00:44:46.440
Well, how can they outact those columns?

911
00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:51.000
At least it's really, it's Radio City musical...

912
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.679
Bag Olympics.

913
00:44:52.739 --> 00:44:56.099
At least the space college. table on a table, all that.

914
00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:59.579
There's a bit more going on than that awful room that they had in Arkham.

915
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:00.539
Yeah, they're all sitting in rows.

916
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.460
Yeah, there's depth of field.

917
00:45:03.059 --> 00:45:03.719
Depth of field.

918
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:04.500
Like here.

919
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:14.699
You know, and the thing is, Doctor Who so often you have the proscenium arch approach, which looks artificial on television, but this is a believable layout of people in a room.

920
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.039
Well, there are Atari Games Master.

921
00:45:17.099 --> 00:45:19.260
It really is great, isn't it?

922
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:23.039
And Paul Jericho is knocking it out of the park today.

923
00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:24.480
I love that.

924
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.000
But Flavia is stealing everything.

925
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:35.699
You know that sound that everyone says of the of the Dark Tower was the Queen Mary's horn put through.

926
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:36.300
It is not.

927
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.179
It's just flavia making asides.

928
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:40.320
Really?

929
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.400
the antechamber.

930
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.579
She says, and then they just sample that.

931
00:45:45.539 --> 00:45:48.119
You gave him...

932
00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:48.539
Yeah.

933
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.760
Sorry, oh, I got it right.

934
00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:57.000
It a lie. his voice got up a little bit.

935
00:45:57.059 --> 00:45:58.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

936
00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:01.500
I mean, look, he looks so hurt as well, but the doctor wants revenge.

937
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:05.820
I think Flavi is just thinking about the begoni as she and Pamela Salem are going to play.

938
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.719
And does he wants revenge because Maxwell was so mean to him.

939
00:46:09.780 --> 00:46:10.980
Maxwell's regenerated.

940
00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:11.579
There he is.

941
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.880
They did ask Colin to come back, but he was unavailable.

942
00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:16.619
Had they cast it?

943
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:17.460
don't know.

944
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.460
Oh, yeah, the news was out.

945
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this was out.

946
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:26.340
Yeah, so I think they didn't bring him back because they knew he was.

947
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:35.940
Because he wears that lovely, what we all assume sixth doctor costume in the 20th anniversary special, that charming seasucker suit, so to speak, and Navy shirt and no.

948
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.679
And even Nicola looked charming in that.

949
00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:39.539
We were looking forward to it, weren't we?

950
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.280
Oh, okay.

951
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.679
Colourfully.

952
00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:49.800
I did feel at the time it was so cold. doesn't it?

953
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:57.780
I also like that he's wearing the same cosy that what's his face wears at the beginning of Genesis of the Dalek.

954
00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:58.800
Oh, he really is.

955
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.559
Almost, except that's actually very court gestry, but you know.

956
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.380
We decided it was death, wasn't it, from the 7th seal?

957
00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:05.280
Yeah, it was.

958
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.280
One metre away and had a private discussion.

959
00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:11.579
This is the promises to aliens have no validity line.

960
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:13.679
Yeah, it's very good.

961
00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:14.760
I'm glad you brought that up.

962
00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:18.539
If you want to look at filmic antecedents for this and what shot on film, wasn't it?

963
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:25.679
So if you want, then, yes, Bergman, but really, it's a really long stretch to try and look for...

964
00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:27.420
Oh, a bit of cyberacting.

965
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.460
There's a lot of fist acting in this, so to speak, isn't there?

966
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:33.059
Verusa.

967
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:37.079
Well, we're not meant to know Sperusa is doing a lot of hand acting over the games board.

968
00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:39.239
Well, he picked it up from Hedden, you see.

969
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:44.880
Yeah, I just love, right, that Carol Anne Ford left the show because she was getting nothing interesting.

970
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:48.900
And they'd bring it back to the 20th anniversary special.

971
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.179
Twister, ankle, and locker up.

972
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.960
All she gets to do is watch this bomb being built.

973
00:47:55.019 --> 00:47:55.739
That scanner.

974
00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:59.280
With the catering manager of the Tartars.

975
00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:01.019
Oh, dear.

976
00:48:01.019 --> 00:48:06.659
She probably went into Chameleon's his cupboard and started ordering him around.

977
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:08.099
Looked like David Campbell.

978
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.300
Do you know that is?

979
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:11.579
So actually, Susan, she's knocked out in the kitchen.

980
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:21.239
Well, I think we were going to, we had decided in our King's Demons episode that we were going to be identifying who Cameleon was pretending to be in this story.

981
00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:24.059
I think it's Tegan.

982
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.780
It's Tegan because she manages to just walk across that checkerboard.

983
00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:31.260
Like everybody else with absolutely no direction.

984
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:32.340
Who?

985
00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:40.139
I mean, he's really going back to Terry Nation's greatest hits with the Bath Mad of Doom from episode three's Death to the Dialects Cliffhanger.

986
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:45.659
You know, when I watched this originally, and we're watching John and Liz obviously looking at scaling up the cliff face.

987
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:51.599
I just kind of thought some of the dialogue with Liz was like, to me, it wasn't quite right with Sarah.

988
00:48:51.659 --> 00:48:56.519
Like, I felt like it had been written for Joe. Like even then, I kind of thought, would Sarah be like that?

989
00:48:56.579 --> 00:48:57.360
I don't know.

990
00:48:57.420 --> 00:48:59.639
I just thought there was something slightly off.

991
00:49:00.420 --> 00:49:02.519
I love this thing.

992
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:03.719
Oh, yeah.

993
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:04.139
Yeah.

994
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.980
The Russian Mario robot played by dancer Keith Hodiak.

995
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.980
I love it. you know what it did. don't you?

996
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:11.280
Sorry.

997
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:14.579
Well, just he was... moves so beautifully.

998
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:15.059
Yeah, yeah.

999
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.320
And everyone noticed.

1000
00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:18.059
Well, he's a re-sprayed.

1001
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:22.320
Oh, yes, the things from the...

1002
00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:23.760
The boy version.

1003
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:30.239
Yeah, it's a cyber Android, which then is kind of visually confusing for any fan child saying, hang on, we've seen you just last year.

1004
00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:32.099
Well, it jumps in and out.

1005
00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:32.880
It's fantastic.

1006
00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:35.219
Did you know the problem?

1007
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.380
It was actually just resprayed.

1008
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:38.639
They didn't know to say it.

1009
00:49:38.699 --> 00:49:52.380
It really is silver resprayed to the point that they were having to hold a hairdryer on set on his crotch because it was a different colour. because the paint was drying more slowly around his nether jumpers.

1010
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:53.460
And so, yes.

1011
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.159
And then they are watching the hand dry going on.

1012
00:49:56.219 --> 00:49:58.260
I'm gonna just say, he's his freezer again, freezer or dead.

1013
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:03.420
But then, like, every 5 seconds, well, well, actually, not now, but he actually then moves his head moving.

1014
00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:07.019
Yeah, so, like, you know, is she going to be his shield when he's steering through?

1015
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.199
He is comfy, comfortably right behind her, isn't he?

1016
00:50:10.260 --> 00:50:11.519
Oh, yeah.

1017
00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:13.619
You show her handies.

1018
00:50:13.739 --> 00:50:14.579
That's right.

1019
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.440
I'll outmouth you, girlfriend.

1020
00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:19.260
I will say that they make a good team, don't they?

1021
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.840
Well, I think it is a good choice to put both of them together.

1022
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:32.340
The costume designer on this episode does a wonderful job because the 1st 2nd of the 3rd doctor costumes are complete recreations and he's done those.

1023
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.619
Oh, his name's on the tip of my name. not June Hudson.

1024
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:36.300
I always wanted to be June Hudson.

1025
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.380
We're getting some really bad time on acting.

1026
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.340
And I do think there should be more things of wrestle on just generally in the show.

1027
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:49.199
What are you suggesting?

1028
00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:52.860
Well, I just think it really lifts it and gives it a mythic quality.

1029
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:53.219
You know?

1030
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.139
It's not...

1031
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:56.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1032
00:50:56.159 --> 00:51:01.199
Now, the 1st time the scrolls went off and caught fire.

1033
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:08.880
One of them fell out and Philip Latham stepped in just to bash it out, forgetting he was wearing silk gloves, which also caught fire.

1034
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:11.460
Here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go.

1035
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:12.719
Is it?

1036
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:18.780
Oh, here we go. not the mind pro.

1037
00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:26.159
And there are other takes of this that elsewhere on this DVD.

1038
00:51:26.219 --> 00:51:28.559
You were such a bitch in the last story.

1039
00:51:28.619 --> 00:51:29.880
Bye.

1040
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:31.920
It's actually quite, I like that shot.

1041
00:51:31.980 --> 00:51:33.539
Anyway, I thought mind probes were easy.

1042
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:37.980
You just broke them by thinking about, you know, like a medusa with a leg and stuff like that.

1043
00:51:37.980 --> 00:51:39.900
Penny farthing bice.

1044
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah. seals, no walruses, walruses.

1045
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.420
The costume designer was Colin Levers.

1046
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:46.679
Hooray, Colin.

1047
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:47.579
Yeah, we're on.

1048
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:48.059
That's great.

1049
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:49.260
Yeah, that is terrific.

1050
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:59.760
Yeah, I think my favourite unused take is him saying, no, not the mind probe.

1051
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:01.079
Oh, really?

1052
00:52:01.139 --> 00:52:02.940
There was an even more over the top.

1053
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:03.780
Yeah, yeah.

1054
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:05.039
He kind of says all the making off.

1055
00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:07.079
There's no way you can deliver that line.

1056
00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:17.699
Yeah, just like they have time for this, but they don't have time to give Susan anything to do.

1057
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.280
Yeah, looks like Pete's wearing blush in this scene.

1058
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:22.199
I think we've got the...

1059
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.079
I think that we've got the colour turned up too high, probably.

1060
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.900
No, I think that actually, yes, colour rendering on film is very...

1061
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.300
This is some... videotape, though.

1062
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:34.139
Oh, this is true.

1063
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:39.239
I mean, they do they do grade the videotape as well for these DVDs.

1064
00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:39.840
Yeah, yeah.

1065
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.199
Something I forgot to mention earlier.

1066
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:48.599
They did actually get Heather Hartnell's approval to recast.

1067
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.179
The role, yes, I think. remember hearing that.

1068
00:52:51.719 --> 00:53:01.619
Yeah, but sadly, on another note, Richard's not on, Richard Herndle's not on screen at the moment, but he died not long after this.

1069
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:04.800
He died in 1983 before his payment had come through.

1070
00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:07.260
Yeah, it was so soon.

1071
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.000
Yeah, so did they, did they like...

1072
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:09.840
Sorry, in the check?

1073
00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:10.800
He died in 1984.

1074
00:53:10.980 --> 00:53:12.119
I don't think they did.

1075
00:53:12.179 --> 00:53:13.440
I think it went to his family.

1076
00:53:14.219 --> 00:53:18.300
They would have cancelled the check and spend it on a tractator, probably.

1077
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:19.800
Is it?

1078
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:20.820
Now, is it in honour?

1079
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.480
Isn't the lighting in this scene amazing?

1080
00:53:24.539 --> 00:53:27.000
Because the costume was incomplete.

1081
00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:28.559
What?

1082
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:30.059
It doesn't have the beak.

1083
00:53:30.059 --> 00:53:31.320
It only has one hand.

1084
00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:32.400
It doesn't have the feet.

1085
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:34.559
Which costume is it?

1086
00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:35.760
the 1st one or the 2nd one?

1087
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:37.619
I believe it's the 2nd one.

1088
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:41.159
But with the 1st claw, because that's all they could find.

1089
00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:49.860
You get a better look at it on one of the special features on the DVD, a Blue Peter special feature where its feet appear to be slippers.

1090
00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:53.820
I mean, it makes no sense.

1091
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.739
They're animated by the great intelligence.

1092
00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:01.199
They're not just a generic monster, but essentially no one who's watching the show now is likely to ever remember that.

1093
00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:02.760
We know, don't be.

1094
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.500
Yes, I'm going to write to the BBC.

1095
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:06.300
I love how it runs away.

1096
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:07.739
It's a Gary Glitter.

1097
00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:10.380
But it's back with that explosion.

1098
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:11.699
And the raw.

1099
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:13.199
The fabulous roar that it does.

1100
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:14.159
It is terrific.

1101
00:54:14.219 --> 00:54:17.159
Do you remember Marty the monster from one of those?

1102
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.880
Purple creature from one of the Channel 10 morning kids show.

1103
00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:21.360
Yeah, yeah.

1104
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:22.860
It looks like a bit like a Yeshi.

1105
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.260
All sort of spongy and that sort of thing.

1106
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:26.699
Just reminds me of that.

1107
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:39.599
Now, the brigadier's line there of you've maddened it. has been pulled out a lot recently by Brexit supporter, Gareth Roberts on Twitter, when he gets into an argument with anyone about Brexit here.

1108
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:42.119
He'll often retweet them with, you've maddened it.

1109
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:45.539
That's Roberts or everyone else's responsible.

1110
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.579
No, that's Gareth, that's Gareth.

1111
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:48.420
Gareth Roberts.

1112
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:49.019
Wow.

1113
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:52.380
Sorry, hang on.

1114
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.360
Gareth Roberts is a supporter of Brexit.

1115
00:54:54.420 --> 00:54:55.559
Yeah, so let's not go there.

1116
00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:59.280
That, that, that, I'm, that's on public record.

1117
00:54:59.340 --> 00:55:01.079
That is how he presents himself.

1118
00:55:01.139 --> 00:55:04.800
Actually, all good reasons if you'd want to talk about, but we'll probably we're doing a podcast, so...

1119
00:55:04.860 --> 00:55:07.500
I'm making the lightning bolt motif.

1120
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.800
It's terribly Rocky Horror picture shows, isn't it?

1121
00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:12.420
But I like how they just find this by accident.

1122
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.079
Well, no, no, the doctor did come in saying there's 3 doors.

1123
00:55:16.139 --> 00:55:20.219
Oh, no, but how would you find, you know, Oh, yeah, they just...

1124
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.199
Yeah, they just happened to get caved into the book.

1125
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:23.460
But how does he know?

1126
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:24.780
from the old times.

1127
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.739
No one in gut on gut, the capital knows about.

1128
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.079
Well, no, he says he says there was a nursery rhyme.

1129
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.000
Yeah, well, about the dark town.

1130
00:55:33.059 --> 00:55:34.679
He was there, wasn't it?

1131
00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:37.079
Yeah, he's much older.

1132
00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:37.679
Oh my gosh.

1133
00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:40.380
Look, it's a thing and some piping.

1134
00:55:40.739 --> 00:55:45.539
So, were they was floaty with balls?

1135
00:55:45.659 --> 00:55:47.639
Was this time scooped in as well?

1136
00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:49.079
Yeah, yeah.

1137
00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:49.920
Okay.

1138
00:55:49.980 --> 00:55:54.059
Isn't too much more of this, but you're going to move your head.

1139
00:55:54.179 --> 00:55:56.519
Again, and stand in front of me.

1140
00:55:56.579 --> 00:56:03.539
Isn't Barusa's aim to actually get the doctors there to butter up Barusa, so to speak, so that he will get immortality.

1141
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:05.280
Why is he making it this much harder?

1142
00:56:05.340 --> 00:56:08.280
No, he's getting, he's...

1143
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.400
That really hurt.

1144
00:56:11.460 --> 00:56:16.619
Oh, it does move beautifully and it's a little bit sexy.

1145
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:19.079
Liz can't take her eyes off of it.

1146
00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:21.119
Wasn't this whole sequence directed by John Nathan Turner?

1147
00:56:21.179 --> 00:56:21.659
Yes, it was.

1148
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:27.179
Yes, it was, which is why it moves very closely and there's a lot of shots of the, where the hairdryers just been.

1149
00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:30.599
There are a lot of shots of where the hairdressers are.

1150
00:56:30.659 --> 00:56:36.599
And I just I just noticed when when the cyber leader came up the hill and noticed the 1st dead side manny sort of jerk's like, oh.

1151
00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:39.480
But they keep coming.

1152
00:56:39.539 --> 00:56:41.400
They won't be determined.

1153
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:42.659
Well filmed, isn't it?

1154
00:56:42.659 --> 00:56:43.860
JNT is not a bad director.

1155
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:44.639
This is really great.

1156
00:56:44.699 --> 00:56:49.980
Now, this scene came about because this was the last scene to be written, I believe.

1157
00:56:50.099 --> 00:56:51.119
That whole back is great.

1158
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:51.659
Yeah, yeah.

1159
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:58.199
This is the last scene to be written because Eric Saywood called Terence Dixon said, look, we've done a timing.

1160
00:56:58.260 --> 00:57:00.119
We're running about 3 minutes behind.

1161
00:57:00.179 --> 00:57:01.980
I think John gets there too easily.

1162
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.500
This is a mouthful of cold tea, by the way.

1163
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:08.280
He said, I think John gets to the tower too easily.

1164
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:09.599
So we need an obstacle for John.

1165
00:57:09.659 --> 00:57:16.139
It needs to use stuff we already have, it needs to be exciting, dynamic, and above all cheap.

1166
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.119
And unnecessarily violent.

1167
00:57:18.179 --> 00:57:20.940
Well, the time, Eric, say, would.

1168
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:28.380
Well, the unnecessary violence actually came from Terrence Dicks, because terrorist Dicks were so sick of the rewrites and so sick of the cybermen that he's like, right.

1169
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:33.119
Here's a guy in a silver spandex suit, killing all the cybermen.

1170
00:57:33.179 --> 00:57:35.760
You have to think that he didn't write.

1171
00:57:35.820 --> 00:57:41.460
Lots of scenes where they get beheaded and have their arms shot off and they're vomiting cold tea out of their face.

1172
00:57:41.579 --> 00:57:43.619
No, he probably just wrote, there's a fight.

1173
00:57:43.739 --> 00:57:44.639
They fall over.

1174
00:57:45.059 --> 00:57:46.440
Okay.

1175
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:49.079
The Terry Nation School of writing a script.

1176
00:57:49.139 --> 00:57:53.280
It's supposed to have some death and destruction. after the year we've just brought. true, yes.

1177
00:57:53.340 --> 00:57:55.380
You were doing it for you, Tom.

1178
00:57:56.579 --> 00:58:00.360
God, the daycor, I'm galafre is lame, isn't it?

1179
00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:01.320
For God's sake.

1180
00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:05.280
I can't wait until John Hurt blows the place arm.

1181
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.019
Or doesn't.

1182
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:11.639
I still think this is better than... whatever it's called.

1183
00:58:11.699 --> 00:58:13.380
I do preggies?

1184
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.500
I don't think it's just, it's not a flattering costume.

1185
00:58:17.219 --> 00:58:19.199
Empire line, isn't it?

1186
00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:21.119
Oh, still doing sideies.

1187
00:58:21.179 --> 00:58:27.000
We just actually missed something returning from the heart and era, which is the plastic lined fountain from the Romans.

1188
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:28.739
Ah, yes. plastic lined.

1189
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:29.460
Oh, nice.

1190
00:58:29.460 --> 00:58:30.480
Glass shot.

1191
00:58:30.539 --> 00:58:31.619
That is pretty, isn't it?

1192
00:58:32.699 --> 00:58:35.039
She looks like a bond girl there.

1193
00:58:35.099 --> 00:58:45.000
Can I just say, if I was a Dr. 2 companion and I had to go across a flying clocks across that, I would have probably let go and been killed. no way I would have done it.

1194
00:58:45.059 --> 00:58:46.920
You would be going and why do we care?

1195
00:58:46.980 --> 00:58:50.639
Like none of us at home watching can remember why we're going there.

1196
00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:53.699
I fell off a flying fox once at school care.

1197
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:55.739
It's an entry coder.

1198
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:56.099
Sorry.

1199
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:56.880
Go on, Tom.

1200
00:58:56.940 --> 00:58:57.900
How does she know that?

1201
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.599
Yeah, how does he know what a transmitter is?

1202
00:59:00.659 --> 00:59:01.920
How does she know what an entry coder is?

1203
00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:03.000
Oh, you're crazy.

1204
00:59:03.059 --> 00:59:03.719
That'll never work.

1205
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.539
Your words are spoken.

1206
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:16.019
Now, there's in the in the special edition, there's a bit here where Sarah tries to throw a rocket at pursuing side man. just makes her look like an idiot. is hilarious.

1207
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:17.219
It is hilarious.

1208
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.980
She just throws it and she says, Missed.

1209
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:22.260
I must go home and watch that version.

1210
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:23.940
I really don't remember seeing it.

1211
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:24.840
Every resources.

1212
00:59:24.900 --> 00:59:25.380
Look at that.

1213
00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:26.519
They fall down in the middle.

1214
00:59:26.820 --> 00:59:29.940
Oh, a little bit of tension.

1215
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:31.380
Was this a cliffhanger?

1216
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:32.940
No, this wasn't a cliffhanger.

1217
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.059
Actually, I think we've missed wherever the 2nd cliffhanger was.

1218
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:42.059
I do remember very well where the 3rd one is, and I'll point it out. because it's curiously undramatic, but I can't remember the 2nd one.

1219
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:43.019
Oh, it was.

1220
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:43.440
It was.

1221
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.119
I liked all this like...

1222
00:59:45.179 --> 00:59:47.579
I love all of her little moans and greens.

1223
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.579
But it is very typically Sarah. you know, Sarah's back.

1224
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:55.079
So they're climbing the ramparts of the tower now. have to dangle her off things.

1225
00:59:55.139 --> 00:59:56.519
Yeah, you're bum.

1226
00:59:56.579 --> 00:59:58.920
Yes, lots of gratuitous Sarah Bumshite.

1227
00:59:58.980 --> 01:00:00.239
That's quite nice bum too, actually.

1228
01:00:00.300 --> 01:00:04.260
Oh, and a little bit of naughty skirty shot there too.

1229
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:13.619
I mean, the only Sarah isms that are missing, uh, she doesn't get possessed and she doesn't, she doesn't say, cut.

1230
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.559
Oh, we miss you, Liz.

1231
01:00:19.619 --> 01:00:21.059
We miss her so much.

1232
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.360
Some of those shots are a bit dodgy, don't you think, with the town?

1233
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:26.099
The license is all wrong.

1234
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:28.739
I am feeling that most of my friends are dead.

1235
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:29.639
You know what?

1236
01:00:29.699 --> 01:00:31.739
Never say never again we watched last night.

1237
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:33.420
We commented on the blue screen in that.

1238
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:37.320
I wouldn't say these blue screen shots for any words. almost same year, yeah.

1239
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:37.739
Yep.

1240
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:39.960
Oh, it is the same one.

1241
01:00:40.019 --> 01:00:41.039
Big in it.

1242
01:00:41.099 --> 01:00:42.179
So what have they done?

1243
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:44.760
All they've done is lifted it up and moved it nearer the piping.

1244
01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:46.380
It's worth the piping over here.

1245
01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:51.599
It's either that scene with the bomb or the previous scene with the bomb was the 2nd cliffhanger.

1246
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:56.760
Okay, so now it's a lovely Marley Lino floor we've just put in.

1247
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:59.820
This makes no sense at all.

1248
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:05.039
But wait, but Terrence used it really convincingly. in debt to the dance, right?

1249
01:01:05.099 --> 01:01:07.739
Thank goodness that he manages to get them, you know?

1250
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.440
So I, this is my head cannon, right?

1251
01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:16.079
This is designed to keep non-time lords out of the tower, right?

1252
01:01:16.139 --> 01:01:22.860
So we discover a giant pattern where you have to go 3.14159265 or whatever.

1253
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:26.400
And, you know, he works it all out.

1254
01:01:26.460 --> 01:01:30.179
It's all pie, but then he just strolls straight across the thing.

1255
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:32.460
Yeah, appalling...

1256
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:34.380
Yeah. so and so does the master.

1257
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:36.360
I mean he does a little bit of a leap about the place.

1258
01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:39.719
I love the fact, Anthony Anley is now getting to act with the 1st doctor.

1259
01:01:39.780 --> 01:01:41.280
Yeah, it's exciting.

1260
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:45.780
It's like the pretend crappy master meets the pretend crappy 1st time.

1261
01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:53.039
But you know, as a kid, like whenever you see them.

1262
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.139
Sorry, Todd, go on.

1263
01:01:55.199 --> 01:02:01.320
As a kid, like, you know, you'd play games where you'd try and avoid the cracks in the pavement for all lines for weeks.

1264
01:02:01.380 --> 01:02:02.940
Yeah, beautiful. so here.

1265
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:06.059
It's like when I was watching this even as a kid. no, don't step on the lines.

1266
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:08.039
You've got to step inside the little boxes, you know?

1267
01:02:08.099 --> 01:02:08.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1268
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:21.000
Now, I believe Terrence's concept for using pie to solve it was so pie being 3.14, et cetera, et cetera.

1269
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.579
So on the 1st row, you step on the 3rd time.

1270
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:27.539
On the 2nd row, you step on the 1st tile, et cetera, et cetera.

1271
01:02:27.659 --> 01:02:29.400
But it doesn't.

1272
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.400
But no, it, well, I also, that's hard.

1273
01:02:32.460 --> 01:02:33.179
Yeah.

1274
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:34.800
Five to nine. hard.

1275
01:02:34.860 --> 01:02:36.119
Yeah, yeah, no, I wonder.

1276
01:02:36.179 --> 01:02:38.340
3.14159.

1277
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:39.000
Yeah.

1278
01:02:39.059 --> 01:02:39.960
So, yeah.

1279
01:02:40.019 --> 01:02:41.460
What I...

1280
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:44.159
We're going to get from 9 to 2 after that, actually.

1281
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:51.539
What I thought it was as a kid because, you know, the master just sort of wanders along in a straight line.

1282
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:56.400
Is it somehow the figure, it's on a timer system, was my theory as a kid.

1283
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.820
And somehow the figure for pie tells you when it's safe to cross.

1284
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:01.139
So it's not a matter of a safe path.

1285
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.559
It's a matter of the lasers aren't always active.

1286
01:03:05.219 --> 01:03:07.619
Yeah, that's a good point.

1287
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:14.340
Yeah, see, this is more, and they do, it does cause them to lower themselves gently to the ground again.

1288
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:18.000
And they're really tall, thin side and then staggers back.

1289
01:03:18.059 --> 01:03:19.139
We have another massacre.

1290
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:19.800
Yes.

1291
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:22.079
He's still breathing, though. okay.

1292
01:03:22.139 --> 01:03:23.039
Oh, betrayed.

1293
01:03:23.099 --> 01:03:23.579
No, no.

1294
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:26.699
Yeah, no, he's going on Shakespearean on us here, isn't he?

1295
01:03:27.659 --> 01:03:30.960
Maybe you're all dead, but...

1296
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:37.260
I actually think that Anthony Ainley and the master have a good turn in this story.

1297
01:03:37.380 --> 01:03:39.960
Yeah, compared to our last few outings.

1298
01:03:40.019 --> 01:03:42.059
Yeah, I mean, he's a...

1299
01:03:42.059 --> 01:03:42.719
He is terrible.

1300
01:03:42.780 --> 01:03:48.539
But, I mean, because this is such a cartoon, it's nice to have him.

1301
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.820
And I really like what happens to him at the end.

1302
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:51.659
I think that's really fun.

1303
01:03:51.900 --> 01:03:54.840
It's his best performance since Lagopolis, I think.

1304
01:03:55.139 --> 01:04:01.980
It's his best performance as the master since Lagopolis, because I think still his best performances are Tree Mass and the Portreeve.

1305
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:11.159
Yeah I love how the 1st doctor actually looks really horrified by what's just happened to the cybermen.

1306
01:04:11.219 --> 01:04:12.300
Yeah.

1307
01:04:12.900 --> 01:04:20.880
So these are the last scenes with, um, these are the last scenes with Janet and sorry, Tegan versus the Master, really.

1308
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:22.800
Like, this is her life. that's true.

1309
01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:23.699
Last time she meets him?

1310
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:25.320
Yeah, yeah, a meeting story, obviously.

1311
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:27.780
It's as easy as pie.

1312
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:28.500
I love pie.

1313
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:34.320
I don't know, I think he isn't going to recognise him. that is great.

1314
01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:37.199
It was his brother, but he can't remember it.

1315
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:39.840
Been watching too many soaps.

1316
01:04:39.900 --> 01:04:46.980
I actually think Anthony only when he goes across the board actually makes an effort to actually do something a bit different every time.

1317
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:52.679
Whereas I just find with whatever they said to Richard Handel, oh, you're feeling a bit tired, just shuffle across, you know.

1318
01:04:52.739 --> 01:04:57.840
Well, I'm worried that there's like a cyberman like lying across the one that you have to train.

1319
01:04:57.900 --> 01:05:01.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like I can't get on that one because there's like a dead cyberman.

1320
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:08.099
Could they clamber from dead Cyberman to dead Cyberman without touching the thing?

1321
01:05:08.219 --> 01:05:12.059
Actually, that would have been a great, great, a great way to do it.

1322
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:13.559
Any of them moving?

1323
01:05:13.619 --> 01:05:14.400
I'm trying to.

1324
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:17.519
Oh, that one laughed. over there.

1325
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:20.639
Whatever.

1326
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:21.119
Whatever.

1327
01:05:21.179 --> 01:05:22.260
I'll just tread on any of them.

1328
01:05:22.260 --> 01:05:22.679
Now.

1329
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.739
You walking exactly as I just wants to kill it.

1330
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:27.179
Yeah, I like her face there.

1331
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:28.079
That's nice.

1332
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:30.960
And you see, he says now as if it's a timed thing.

1333
01:05:31.019 --> 01:05:33.900
And I always wanted as a kid.

1334
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:35.340
I always wanted that scene to end with.

1335
01:05:35.460 --> 01:05:37.079
No, you've done waited too long now.

1336
01:05:37.139 --> 01:05:37.559
Wait again.

1337
01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:38.460
Oh God.

1338
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.639
This is, yeah, you're all screwed.

1339
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.099
Oh, dear.

1340
01:05:44.099 --> 01:05:46.019
Sucky...

1341
01:05:46.019 --> 01:05:47.940
Oh, bald spot, come over.

1342
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:51.900
Pong.

1343
01:05:51.900 --> 01:05:56.880
I do love those curtain column things.

1344
01:05:56.940 --> 01:05:59.460
Space columns there, great, aren't they?

1345
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:00.960
It's very Flash Gordon, and that's the point.

1346
01:06:01.019 --> 01:06:02.760
It meant to feel like an RKO 30s.

1347
01:06:02.820 --> 01:06:05.099
Very Castra valve and it's a nice thing that they're doing it.

1348
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:06.179
Probably.

1349
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:07.739
Nice lettuce.

1350
01:06:08.699 --> 01:06:13.679
Pete does spend a lot of his time as the doctor touching things, doesn't he?

1351
01:06:13.739 --> 01:06:15.840
And just sort of wandering from place to place.

1352
01:06:15.900 --> 01:06:20.400
Which is risky because as we just saw, one of those plinths wobbled as soon as he does.

1353
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:22.800
Look, it's the hats all the time.

1354
01:06:23.699 --> 01:06:28.139
They would never have had enough momentum to get up the other end of that, would they?

1355
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.420
It's so long, it's much longer.

1356
01:06:30.420 --> 01:06:31.860
She's still hanging in the middle being miserable.

1357
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:36.539
The original concept was that he was going to make a hang glider out of his cape.

1358
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.159
Which is why he took the Raston Warrior robot speary thing.

1359
01:06:41.219 --> 01:06:47.280
And I believe everyone involved, including John, just said, um...

1360
01:06:47.579 --> 01:06:48.960
Yeah.

1361
01:06:49.019 --> 01:06:51.179
Not that John had any objection to hang gliding.

1362
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:54.480
He's just kind of like, there's a certain... would have been fantastic.

1363
01:06:54.539 --> 01:07:00.840
It's as good as Adam West in Batman, which is really who the 3rd doctor is when he's not being...

1364
01:07:00.900 --> 01:07:03.239
Although everyone's doing big hair, aren't they?

1365
01:07:03.300 --> 01:07:05.460
See, to me, to me, Sarah's reaction here.

1366
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:05.940
I don't know.

1367
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:07.980
I just kind of think it's more Joe than Sarah.

1368
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:08.699
I don't know.

1369
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:09.840
Yeah, girly.

1370
01:07:09.900 --> 01:07:11.219
I want to be critical of it.

1371
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:17.039
I mean, I love Liz, but speaking of, was Joe ever considered to be in it?

1372
01:07:17.099 --> 01:07:22.199
So the original consideration was Susan, Jamie, Joe and the Brig and Sarah.

1373
01:07:22.260 --> 01:07:22.800
Right.

1374
01:07:22.860 --> 01:07:23.880
All right, here we go.

1375
01:07:23.940 --> 01:07:24.480
Here we go.

1376
01:07:24.539 --> 01:07:25.679
Phantoms.

1377
01:07:25.739 --> 01:07:27.780
He's looking pretty, he's looking all right.

1378
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:29.760
Yes, I guess that'd have been...

1379
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:30.300
Almost 10 years.

1380
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:30.840
Really?

1381
01:07:30.900 --> 01:07:32.280
Like a herring in aspect.

1382
01:07:32.340 --> 01:07:33.420
And Liz.

1383
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:34.019
Hooray.

1384
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:34.619
Carrie John.

1385
01:07:35.579 --> 01:07:37.800
She should get unrecognisable.

1386
01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:41.519
But again, like a lot of people haven't seen her by this day.

1387
01:07:41.579 --> 01:07:44.519
Also, no one's only in every year than the fans.

1388
01:07:45.239 --> 01:08:02.880
Now, of course, you know, we did discuss at the time, apparently John and Carrie, got on okay, but there was tension between them during the rehearsal for this because these scenes were kind of who's available on what day, get him in the studio, rehearse record.

1389
01:08:02.940 --> 01:08:08.099
Um, As I always, wait a 2nd because we get a great moment from Carrie John here.

1390
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:13.920
I, there's a little bit of fabulous running away from John as well.

1391
01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:17.460
I actually think that was really them.

1392
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:18.659
Do you know what I mean?

1393
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.000
Like they found themselves in the dark town.

1394
01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:23.939
They talked actually about how much they hated John.

1395
01:08:25.140 --> 01:08:28.619
Decided they'd prank him.

1396
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:30.300
She's done her ass and she came in.

1397
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:31.140
I would say you would.

1398
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.119
Oh, come over dryer of wrestleon.

1399
01:08:33.180 --> 01:08:33.600
Yes, yeah.

1400
01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:36.300
Well, it's almost broke on the rest of Warriors.

1401
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:38.159
He's having a good pet.

1402
01:08:38.460 --> 01:08:39.659
This is such a... have another group.

1403
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:43.140
But yeah, so it was like reverse record.

1404
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:49.739
Carrie John came around the corner and did her 1st line, like something like, oh, there are 5 of you now, and John turned to Peter Moffatt and said, is she really going to do it like that?

1405
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:56.340
And Peter Moffat just said, there was nothing wrong with that, John.

1406
01:08:56.939 --> 01:08:58.260
Wow.

1407
01:08:58.260 --> 01:09:05.699
And the way Carrie John tells it, she's like, I don't know if John was expecting something different and he was perfectly present to me for the rest of the time.

1408
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:07.260
But, you know, I hadn't acted in years.

1409
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:09.720
I was terrified when he said that and beat him off.

1410
01:09:09.779 --> 01:09:10.739
So I got my hair.

1411
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:12.539
I love you, John, but you gave me a fright.

1412
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:13.619
Wow.

1413
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:16.500
This is lovely as well.

1414
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:18.180
Fear itself is largely an illusion.

1415
01:09:18.300 --> 01:09:21.060
Yeah, he's got a bit of the sweetness there.

1416
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:23.039
And here comes the...

1417
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:24.180
I think he's a great person.

1418
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.039
Here comes the creeps.

1419
01:09:26.100 --> 01:09:27.060
Oh, I remember that.

1420
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:27.659
That's right.

1421
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:28.800
Stomping down some stairs.

1422
01:09:28.859 --> 01:09:34.380
Oh, some musical stairs because Peter Howell synced it up.

1423
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:37.140
Yeah, they like the stairs in big or in, yeah.

1424
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:42.600
Now, Fraser Hines, Emmerdale wouldn't release him to be fully in the production.

1425
01:09:42.659 --> 01:09:47.699
So this is the only bit we get of Fraser, and they managed to get Wendy in as well, who was pregnant with her daughter, Charlie.

1426
01:09:47.699 --> 01:09:48.300
Wow.

1427
01:09:48.300 --> 01:09:49.079
At this point, I believe.

1428
01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:49.859
Was she retired?

1429
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.180
They were so worried.

1430
01:09:51.180 --> 01:09:53.159
She was an agent, but...

1431
01:09:53.220 --> 01:09:54.720
Yes, in case she fell over.

1432
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.039
She's actually come as Noah's left hand.

1433
01:09:59.100 --> 01:10:03.420
We need to... famously, in that dress?

1434
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:04.800
No, it's a terrible outfit.

1435
01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:12.239
It even exists in when she, oh, isn't it nice to see Jamie looking so old.

1436
01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:14.880
They've definitely all been travelling for it. doesn't she look great?

1437
01:10:14.939 --> 01:10:16.500
Yeah, she looks so good.

1438
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:18.420
I just want to roll her over and here I go.

1439
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:22.560
But continuity.

1440
01:10:22.619 --> 01:10:25.560
Well, yeah. originally the scene was written for Victoria.

1441
01:10:25.619 --> 01:10:30.239
And she was going to call him the brigadier, which would be the doctor's clue.

1442
01:10:30.300 --> 01:10:31.560
But you know why she wasn't available?

1443
01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.619
She was shooting an exciting new sitcom with Dave Allen.

1444
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:36.060
Is everyone enjoyed that one?

1445
01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:37.859
No, I've never even heard.

1446
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:39.659
No, neither had Dave Allen.

1447
01:10:40.140 --> 01:10:41.640
Whoops.

1448
01:10:41.699 --> 01:10:42.420
Oh dear.

1449
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.479
I think she might just, you know, had a big night the night before.

1450
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.479
So yes, this makes no sense.

1451
01:10:48.539 --> 01:10:54.779
But look, canonically, there were comics at the time where the doctor was exiled to earth and working for the time lords before he regenerated.

1452
01:10:54.840 --> 01:11:03.119
What if, when they take the regeneration out of time, they take the entire regeneration out, not at a particular point, but they take...

1453
01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:04.079
It's like a distillation.

1454
01:11:04.140 --> 01:11:05.279
See, head cannon.

1455
01:11:05.340 --> 01:11:14.939
My thing is always that, you know, whenever they meet themselves or in the presence of their other selves, things get muddled and they don't remember it when they get back into their timestream. remember a bit of it.

1456
01:11:15.899 --> 01:11:19.020
Yes, I met myself, but I don't really remember the details.

1457
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:19.800
They address.

1458
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.939
But then when they when they meet each other again, it all becomes crystal clear.

1459
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.340
And so maybe it's the time thing.

1460
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:26.699
Yeah, yeah.

1461
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:29.159
He knows from the last time he met the 3rd doctor that that's what's happened.

1462
01:11:29.220 --> 01:11:39.539
So, but it is always a thing where this show wants to do continuity all the time increasingly now, but gets it wrong really, pretty much every time it tries.

1463
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:40.500
Yeah.

1464
01:11:40.560 --> 01:12:05.579
So, yeah, the original lineups planned were, as I said, Susan with the 1st doctor, Jamie with the 2nd doctor, the brigadier and Joe with the 3rd doctor, and there were, because the ABC were co-funding, there was some talk of paying to fly Katie over to the UK, but I think the funds weren't available, and at any rate, Katie was working at the time needed, I think, on stage.

1465
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:10.020
And Liz was going to be with the 4th doctor, and that's what Liz was told originally.

1466
01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:12.840
Sarah Jane. was going to be with the 4th doctor.

1467
01:12:12.899 --> 01:12:15.300
And then when Tom... very keen on that.

1468
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:16.020
Yeah, yeah.

1469
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:21.300
And he was also very keen that he was going to be the putative villain in the original draft.

1470
01:12:21.420 --> 01:12:23.399
Yeah, I've always wanted to view that.

1471
01:12:23.460 --> 01:12:25.020
Because you always were, Tom.

1472
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:34.920
But yeah, so when Tom pulled out, they kind of went, well, hold on, we can ripple Sarah back to John and everyone's been in this forever.

1473
01:12:34.979 --> 01:12:36.779
And okay, we don't have Fraser.

1474
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:37.500
Well, Pat.

1475
01:12:37.619 --> 01:12:39.359
Oh, do we know where these symbols come from?

1476
01:12:39.420 --> 01:12:40.439
Oh, oh, do we?

1477
01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:41.520
Fan boy, no.

1478
01:12:41.579 --> 01:12:44.159
The original making of Doctor Who from 1972.

1479
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:46.319
The designer was given a copy.

1480
01:12:46.380 --> 01:12:50.100
Malkis was given a copy of Uncle Malki's book.

1481
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:54.899
But it's like the empty set, Mew, cubed, you know, like it's just...

1482
01:12:54.899 --> 01:12:56.760
No, they're random mathematical cinema.

1483
01:12:56.819 --> 01:13:00.119
The doctor's name is on that, by the way, from that book.

1484
01:13:00.180 --> 01:13:01.020
Sorry, Todd.

1485
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:04.079
No, no, I love I love all the Tegan and Sarah stuff in the background.

1486
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:05.760
Yes, they made the brigadier and I love that.

1487
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.619
They had that sequence in the book that they don't have here.

1488
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:09.359
Oh, what's that sequence?

1489
01:13:09.420 --> 01:13:12.000
Well, they talk about, you know, which doctor is witch and all that?

1490
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:12.840
Oh, nice.

1491
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:14.100
This is nice.

1492
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:15.479
See that's really, really good.

1493
01:13:15.539 --> 01:13:17.039
But he shouldn't know who Tegan is.

1494
01:13:17.100 --> 01:13:19.020
He's from his retirement dinner.

1495
01:13:19.260 --> 01:13:21.840
For him, this is before the school.

1496
01:13:21.899 --> 01:13:23.760
It was his retirement dinner.

1497
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:24.659
At the beginning.

1498
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:27.960
No, it is too. and the costumers got it right.

1499
01:13:28.020 --> 01:13:30.300
He's frocked up as 70s brig, yeah.

1500
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:30.600
Yeah.

1501
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:36.960
Well, I thought he'd grown his moustache back because he'd rediscovered himself in Modern Undead.

1502
01:13:37.020 --> 01:13:37.560
Yes.

1503
01:13:37.619 --> 01:13:37.979
Yeah.

1504
01:13:37.979 --> 01:13:40.380
I mean, maybe it's a reunited dinner.

1505
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:41.220
It was a reunion.

1506
01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:41.880
They say reunion.

1507
01:13:41.939 --> 01:13:43.260
I thought it was a retirement.

1508
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.920
What do we think of the floor of the studio here?

1509
01:13:46.979 --> 01:13:48.840
I think they've gone to a lot of trouble.

1510
01:13:48.899 --> 01:13:51.300
They said we're playing dodgums with the Dalek podcast.

1511
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:59.159
They've, you know, Rob dipped a couple of rags in black paint and kind of just dragging around the place.

1512
01:13:59.220 --> 01:14:02.100
The non-billy is really nicking the scene, isn't he?

1513
01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:05.640
We'll just stand back here because, you know, it's not about us.

1514
01:14:05.699 --> 01:14:08.399
Well, even though we made your show watchable.

1515
01:14:10.739 --> 01:14:17.880
Reportedly, Richard Herndel was quite nervous because he really wanted to get it right. almost dead.

1516
01:14:17.939 --> 01:14:20.100
And almost dead. almost dead.

1517
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:24.899
I think he's a fine he's a fine actor. but that's okay.

1518
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:26.159
He's doing his own thing.

1519
01:14:26.220 --> 01:14:32.340
I agree with you, Nathan, that he doesn't quite have the level of warmth, but there is enough of Billy there.

1520
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:33.779
You know where that's coming from?

1521
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:36.960
That was JNT telling him to play it like this.

1522
01:14:37.020 --> 01:14:41.340
Yeah, you know, I think he kind of gave each of the old doctors a 2 or 3 word.

1523
01:14:41.340 --> 01:14:43.619
Yeah, this is how you're playing. the grumpy one.

1524
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:44.579
Front Botomy.

1525
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:48.060
Yeah, but everyone everyone says that about the doctor at the time.

1526
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:50.640
Well, because no one's watched it.

1527
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:54.600
And it's also because Dwoss, you know, there were 2 or 3 people in Dwosses. exactly what it was always like.

1528
01:14:54.659 --> 01:14:55.500
Yeah, yeah.

1529
01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:58.079
There was a real kind of received fan wisdom about.

1530
01:14:58.140 --> 01:15:03.060
Yeah, which is entirely based on not having seen the show for...

1531
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.460
Like, you know, really, there's a lot of Pat's performance missing.

1532
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.439
There's a lot of twinkle missing from Pat's performance.

1533
01:15:07.500 --> 01:15:17.640
But I think we decided in the in the 3 doctors that one of the reasons for that is that Pat doesn't have his companions and that's really important for Pat.

1534
01:15:17.699 --> 01:15:21.420
And in fact, here he gets to play off the brigadier and that works very well.

1535
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:22.319
Yeah, yeah.

1536
01:15:22.380 --> 01:15:31.380
I mean, you know, that's it's not a criticism, but it's a matter of when you when you kind of bring these many actors back, you've got to kind of distil their characters to a few key points.

1537
01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.800
I love the fact that, again, Anthony...

1538
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:36.180
They're covered.

1539
01:15:36.180 --> 01:15:39.060
And have that little scene with Patrick in there.

1540
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:43.199
So he actually gets to work now with all the doctors in the original series.

1541
01:15:43.260 --> 01:15:45.119
Yeah, it's it is rather wonderful.

1542
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:47.699
Oh, we're walking away.

1543
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:48.359
Where's our bomb?

1544
01:15:48.420 --> 01:15:49.859
Now, what did they do with the bomb?

1545
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:51.180
They ate it.

1546
01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:51.779
I know.

1547
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:53.640
It's right there.

1548
01:15:53.699 --> 01:15:55.619
It's just so close to the Titus, it can't be seen.

1549
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:56.220
Die.

1550
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:58.560
That was very nice of him, wasn't it?

1551
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:00.479
It's always so positive.

1552
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:08.460
And each of the team, each of the 3 teams of the sidemen we've had do have slightly different modulation.

1553
01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:10.319
And 2 of them are dead.

1554
01:16:10.739 --> 01:16:12.539
Oh, dear.

1555
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:20.220
Now, weirdly, in the special edition, they change this tune, and, you know, it's not really to match his fingering, if you'll pardon the expression.

1556
01:16:20.340 --> 01:16:22.859
It's a little bit Doctor Whoey theme in this version.

1557
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.319
Oh, what a lovely organ.

1558
01:16:25.380 --> 01:16:30.600
It's a bit like replacing Jumpnub at the end of Return of the Jedi.

1559
01:16:30.659 --> 01:16:31.020
Yeah.

1560
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:34.199
Yeah, we've got to make the Ewoks more gritty.

1561
01:16:34.260 --> 01:16:35.039
Yeah, yeah.

1562
01:16:35.100 --> 01:16:35.579
That worked.

1563
01:16:36.659 --> 01:16:41.220
Oh, Susan does get a little figurine after all..

1564
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:44.939
Yeah, sorry, Richard, we don't have any of these.

1565
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:54.479
Actually, I think you can now get that John in red coat in the 13 doctors set for an armour leg and $5000.

1566
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.119
We're waiting for that to go die in.

1567
01:16:57.180 --> 01:16:58.920
There'll be other versions of it, you watch.

1568
01:16:59.460 --> 01:17:02.159
But yeah, I love it.

1569
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:04.619
He looks stunned, really, doesn't he?

1570
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:06.239
Now this was going to be Tom.

1571
01:17:06.300 --> 01:17:10.859
This was going to be Tom's bit in the original script and Pete was going to stay in the TARDIS.

1572
01:17:12.180 --> 01:17:16.319
I thought Pete was going to go to the tower and the 1st doctor was going to stay in the tower.

1573
01:17:16.380 --> 01:17:17.699
No, Pete was going to stay in the TARDIS.

1574
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:18.420
That was it.

1575
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:18.960
Yeah.

1576
01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:20.640
When you get your leading, man.

1577
01:17:20.699 --> 01:17:22.260
I mean, they don't do it here either.

1578
01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:26.939
That's what Terence said in the end because his initial thought was, who's the most corruptible doctor?

1579
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:27.539
It's Tom.

1580
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:29.939
So I'll put Tom in the situation where he can be corrupted?

1581
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:34.319
And then when he lost Tom, he's like, actually, it makes a lot more sense for it to be Peter because that's dramatic.

1582
01:17:34.380 --> 01:17:36.060
We know that Tom didn't turn evil.

1583
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:37.800
But Peter could turn evil.

1584
01:17:37.859 --> 01:17:42.659
Again, there's still a, there's a lot of luck in what's happening. here on the screen.

1585
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:47.819
Like all these things have to play out for us to get what we've got here in terms of the people and the sequences and that sort of thing.

1586
01:17:47.939 --> 01:17:52.439
Only November and he's got all his Christmas fairy lights flaring up on the back seat.

1587
01:17:52.500 --> 01:17:55.680
I was actually thinking it's like milk crates, isn't it?

1588
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:59.039
like milk crates. to fricken by a trees.

1589
01:17:59.100 --> 01:18:02.100
I think green, crispy lights on his old milk crate.

1590
01:18:02.220 --> 01:18:03.960
It's a red dwarf set, isn't it?

1591
01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:05.460
It looks pretty good, actually.

1592
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:06.300
I like that set.

1593
01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:07.680
Yeah, I really like that.

1594
01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:09.000
Bruce has made it all himself.

1595
01:18:10.140 --> 01:18:14.340
I can't have immortality, but I'll really do something with my old milk cream.

1596
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:16.140
Also, do you like me out?

1597
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:16.800
I changed.

1598
01:18:16.979 --> 01:18:20.640
Having all the metabulous crystals, but this time they're in red.

1599
01:18:20.699 --> 01:18:21.300
Yeah.

1600
01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:23.039
They look like jelly.

1601
01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:24.180
Sort of jelly.

1602
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:25.680
Oh, well done.

1603
01:18:25.739 --> 01:18:26.880
Oh, girls are back in business.

1604
01:18:26.939 --> 01:18:27.960
They get to do something.

1605
01:18:28.020 --> 01:18:30.119
And so...

1606
01:18:30.659 --> 01:18:34.920
It's the only time he actually says that. 2nd time, yeah.

1607
01:18:34.979 --> 01:18:35.819
Second?

1608
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:37.680
Okay, 2nd time in the whole history of the show.

1609
01:18:37.739 --> 01:18:39.659
Not counting when...

1610
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:40.380
Can we just have a moment?

1611
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.800
This is actually John's last appearance, is Doctor Who in the series?

1612
01:18:43.859 --> 01:18:44.699
That's true.

1613
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:45.600
That's true.

1614
01:18:45.659 --> 01:18:47.760
That's a bit sort of awful, really.

1615
01:18:47.819 --> 01:19:01.199
But, you know, I think it's rather wonderful that he just kept making loads of appearances at events and fan videos, you know, he, you know, Patrick, of course, wanted to shops.

1616
01:19:01.380 --> 01:19:04.920
Patrick, of course, he just wanted to take off the costume.

1617
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:11.520
Patrick wanted to take off. to no longer be recognised.

1618
01:19:11.579 --> 01:19:13.979
Whereas John everywhere he went.

1619
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:14.939
It's like, are you doctor?

1620
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:16.079
Yes, I am the doctor.

1621
01:19:16.140 --> 01:19:17.520
No, he slept in the costume.

1622
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:23.279
Barangaroo.

1623
01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:24.300
That's bohearing.

1624
01:19:24.300 --> 01:19:25.800
At least you can go in the costume.

1625
01:19:28.859 --> 01:19:29.760
Okay, dark.

1626
01:19:29.819 --> 01:19:30.720
Dark.

1627
01:19:30.779 --> 01:19:31.560
That is dark.

1628
01:19:31.619 --> 01:19:33.659
I made this too much thing.

1629
01:19:34.500 --> 01:19:37.680
I was so sick of those simulator and salt nights.

1630
01:19:37.739 --> 01:19:38.520
I'm going to do with them.

1631
01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:40.079
He didn't make this.

1632
01:19:40.140 --> 01:19:41.159
He found this room, didn't he?

1633
01:19:41.220 --> 01:19:42.060
Yeah, he did.

1634
01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:44.880
He's pointing at it saying...

1635
01:19:44.939 --> 01:19:48.180
They're really ignorant of their own experience.

1636
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:50.279
It's like this is made out of jabber light.

1637
01:19:50.340 --> 01:19:51.060
I did this.

1638
01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:51.840
I made this spot.

1639
01:19:51.899 --> 01:19:53.399
Oh no, he had to make those.

1640
01:19:53.460 --> 01:19:54.420
Yeah, he did.

1641
01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:55.560
Oh, he loves them too.

1642
01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:56.520
Oh it's a day pole.

1643
01:19:56.579 --> 01:19:59.640
It's far too accurate for a day ball.

1644
01:19:59.699 --> 01:20:02.699
The day Paul master has no crotch.

1645
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:05.100
What?

1646
01:20:05.100 --> 01:20:05.399
Really?

1647
01:20:05.460 --> 01:20:06.180
Yes.

1648
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:09.239
I'm not being happy about that.

1649
01:20:09.300 --> 01:20:10.079
Sorry, John.

1650
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:17.100
No, seriously, like his legs go up and they, there's kind of a, just an empty triangle where a crop should be.

1651
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:22.140
It's an it's a negative camel toe.

1652
01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:22.680
I don't know.

1653
01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:25.319
That doesn't look like it was really off-putting.

1654
01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:28.319
A good reaction, Todd's doing the point.

1655
01:20:28.380 --> 01:20:32.939
But do you know that his costume is based, again, mentioning, since I mentioned Joan Crawford.

1656
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:33.239
Thank you.

1657
01:20:33.300 --> 01:20:34.859
This is why I mentioned Joker.

1658
01:20:34.979 --> 01:20:38.819
His costume is directly based on the Queens in Snow White.

1659
01:20:40.739 --> 01:20:41.640
I'll go with that.

1660
01:20:42.420 --> 01:20:48.239
The diadem, which is the correct name for that little crowny thing because, you know, we should know those sorts of things.

1661
01:20:48.300 --> 01:20:49.739
Really, he really is playing.

1662
01:20:49.859 --> 01:20:51.239
And she's behind the mirror portrait.

1663
01:20:51.300 --> 01:20:52.199
Yep, that's who it is.

1664
01:20:52.260 --> 01:20:54.479
Soon, freaking cruel.

1665
01:20:54.539 --> 01:20:57.840
We're about to see Pete do some possessed acting coming up.

1666
01:20:57.899 --> 01:20:59.880
So he's doing a nice version of it now too.

1667
01:20:59.939 --> 01:21:00.960
Yeah, yeah.

1668
01:21:01.020 --> 01:21:02.819
In fact, I think they've been.

1669
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:04.560
I think they've been on all the coding in the time.

1670
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:05.640
It's just like those two.

1671
01:21:05.699 --> 01:21:08.819
Oh, look. television.

1672
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:12.119
It's wonderful, city.

1673
01:21:12.180 --> 01:21:14.220
But look at Pete.

1674
01:21:14.279 --> 01:21:21.180
He's possessed, but he looks just exactly like he does nearly every time the camera crashes into his face for a cliffhanger.

1675
01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:21.720
Yes.

1676
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.779
It's a resting cliffhanger face there from P.

1677
01:21:24.899 --> 01:21:32.939
Now, these scenes were recorded before Pete's scenes, which is why Pete will now appear against black drapes because the other set hadn't been built yet.

1678
01:21:34.260 --> 01:21:35.880
There you are.

1679
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:40.140
It's fine, but yeah, it's just it's just a little bit of TV.

1680
01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:42.239
The focus of the lens is very short, that's all.

1681
01:21:42.300 --> 01:21:45.659
And he really is having rest in Cliffhanger, basically, isn't he?

1682
01:21:46.140 --> 01:21:57.119
I love that John is so withdrawn in this, whereas the last time we saw these one. 5 together, they were, um, John was really chewing up the walls. because he was threatened.

1683
01:21:57.180 --> 01:21:58.079
Yeah, yeah.

1684
01:21:58.140 --> 01:21:59.220
And it was his show back then.

1685
01:21:59.460 --> 01:22:02.460
He's really, he's playing it less than...

1686
01:22:02.579 --> 01:22:05.279
Oh, we've brought back Magnus Greel's transmitter.

1687
01:22:06.180 --> 01:22:08.279
More more crazy things.

1688
01:22:08.340 --> 01:22:09.119
Nope, it really is.

1689
01:22:09.779 --> 01:22:13.500
And he's doing very careful foot acting because he can't look down.

1690
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:15.720
Now, watch the brigadier in the background.

1691
01:22:15.779 --> 01:22:16.619
Everyone's frozen.

1692
01:22:16.619 --> 01:22:17.579
Oh, he hasn't frozen.

1693
01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:19.979
He's and now off. going to walk off.

1694
01:22:20.100 --> 01:22:21.479
I think it is just going to follow him.

1695
01:22:21.539 --> 01:22:21.899
Look at that.

1696
01:22:21.899 --> 01:22:22.979
So not an equity man.

1697
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:24.359
Oh my goodness.

1698
01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:29.819
He's too old to do any of these paralysis nonsense acting.

1699
01:22:30.060 --> 01:22:36.119
I just love how Colin Labours is the costume designer, has used red.

1700
01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:37.680
Yes, beautiful.

1701
01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:39.659
Red and cream to tie together.

1702
01:22:39.659 --> 01:22:41.159
The doctors.

1703
01:22:41.220 --> 01:22:43.020
I really like Pertz Cozzi in this one.

1704
01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:43.979
Yeah.

1705
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:47.340
With a little nod to Pete with the contrast piping on the ship.

1706
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:48.119
Yeah, it's really cute.

1707
01:22:48.180 --> 01:22:56.279
And I think this is the 1st time we've seen the Hartnall costume and the trout and costume together in one shot and they really just kind of slight variations of each other.

1708
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:01.319
So he's cleverly reimagined the Hartner one to make it more different, I think.

1709
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.380
Well, no, but it was always more tailored.

1710
01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:06.840
Yeah, his was a kind of dishevelled version.

1711
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:12.539
The Trouton was wearing a sort of dishevelled version of Hartnell's costume.

1712
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:13.439
Yeah, yeah.

1713
01:23:13.500 --> 01:23:14.939
And that was the concept at the time.

1714
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.340
That's why the clothes changed with the doctor.

1715
01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:20.399
It's like he's more dishevelled the clothes are more dishevelled.

1716
01:23:20.460 --> 01:23:22.979
I just love the way they're all working together.

1717
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:25.199
Yeah, it's really nicely done.

1718
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:27.659
What the hell are you people doing in my show?

1719
01:23:30.060 --> 01:23:33.840
That is a lovely look from Pete, though, when he walks over too.

1720
01:23:33.899 --> 01:23:35.520
Yeah, it really is, isn't it?

1721
01:23:35.579 --> 01:23:38.819
Your curtain rod of doom will not overpower espresso.

1722
01:23:38.880 --> 01:23:41.340
Oh, Patrick Trouton, you are wonderful in the background there.

1723
01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:43.140
He's so good.

1724
01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:48.119
He really, just by doing just simple Pat thing steals every damn scene he's in.

1725
01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:50.340
Pete's eyebrows are very delicate.

1726
01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:51.539
They are, aren't they?

1727
01:23:51.539 --> 01:23:52.500
Wispy and winsome.

1728
01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:56.460
He is like 30 years younger than everyone else on set.

1729
01:23:57.420 --> 01:23:59.159
This is true.

1730
01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:02.100
P times 72.

1731
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:04.439
It's just a game of wrestling.

1732
01:24:05.340 --> 01:24:07.199
Donald Sinden.

1733
01:24:07.739 --> 01:24:09.119
No.

1734
01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:10.079
Richard Matthews.

1735
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:14.039
No, no, I mean, but isn't Donald Sindon our latest wrestleon?

1736
01:24:14.340 --> 01:24:16.439
Oh, yes, yes, of course.

1737
01:24:16.500 --> 01:24:20.039
Timothy Dalton, Donaldson, and Donaldson didn't play...

1738
01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:21.000
Donaldson.

1739
01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:21.479
Donaldson.

1740
01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:21.840
Donaldson.

1741
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:23.279
Yeah, because Donaldson...

1742
01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:23.819
He's dead.

1743
01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:25.800
And plus he's dead.

1744
01:24:25.859 --> 01:24:28.500
Timothy Dalton would have come back to play wrestle.

1745
01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:29.340
He just wasn't available.

1746
01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:29.819
Right.

1747
01:24:29.819 --> 01:24:31.500
You mean he wasn't asked?

1748
01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:33.539
No, he wasn't asked, but he wasn't available.

1749
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:35.819
Oh, that would have been much more fun, I think.

1750
01:24:35.939 --> 01:24:37.500
Didn't, um...

1751
01:24:37.500 --> 01:24:39.539
I have a Toby jug, I'm sure.

1752
01:24:39.539 --> 01:24:40.380
That looks good.

1753
01:24:40.500 --> 01:24:44.640
The moustache and...

1754
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:46.500
I liked him his wrestling.

1755
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:49.500
It's an unusual choice I like that he's a steampunk bear.

1756
01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:51.479
I think he's appearing at Burning Man this year.

1757
01:24:54.539 --> 01:24:56.340
He's one man show.

1758
01:24:56.340 --> 01:24:57.239
I like that.

1759
01:24:57.300 --> 01:25:00.420
Yeah, it's it well, it's a triple take.

1760
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:03.600
It is a triple take. with each of them doing it once.

1761
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:06.840
But just the fact that the 1st doctor gets that moment.

1762
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:08.520
He's the one who solves it.

1763
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:09.180
Yeah, yeah.

1764
01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:13.500
And you think a lot of effort to someone who wasn't actually the original doctor, aren't they?

1765
01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:14.939
They really...

1766
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:16.140
I'm quite surprised by that.

1767
01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:19.800
I'm actually surprised at how little genres had to do in this whole season.

1768
01:25:19.859 --> 01:25:20.880
That's a bit shocking.

1769
01:25:20.939 --> 01:25:23.159
He did get a lot to get to.

1770
01:25:23.220 --> 01:25:23.579
Yeah, yeah.

1771
01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:27.539
Yeah, but he's the last well, this is his last TV appearance?

1772
01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:30.600
You know what?

1773
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:31.260
Go on, put it on.

1774
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:33.239
You are my wife now, dad.

1775
01:25:33.779 --> 01:25:37.560
I don't think John minded, because if John minded, he would have said.

1776
01:25:37.619 --> 01:25:40.079
And he would have, it would have been strange.

1777
01:25:40.140 --> 01:25:41.460
It's just a little bit more obvious.

1778
01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:44.039
Oh, it's Matches his pretty little cat.

1779
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:47.220
This... was terrifying.

1780
01:25:47.340 --> 01:25:49.859
Oh, look how red their eyes are.

1781
01:25:49.979 --> 01:25:51.000
What's happening there?

1782
01:25:51.060 --> 01:25:53.699
You know, there's not a lot of moisture in that room.

1783
01:25:53.819 --> 01:25:56.880
And they are literally 3 actors standing behind that.

1784
01:25:56.939 --> 01:25:57.479
They're not.

1785
01:25:57.539 --> 01:25:58.739
They didn't even comp it in.

1786
01:25:58.800 --> 01:25:59.939
Oh.

1787
01:25:59.939 --> 01:26:01.380
So theatre.

1788
01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:03.239
Yeah, it's perfectly theatre done.

1789
01:26:03.300 --> 01:26:03.960
I love this too.

1790
01:26:04.020 --> 01:26:04.560
Yeah.

1791
01:26:04.619 --> 01:26:10.500
There's this thing where Latham turns around, but that's a different shot.

1792
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:13.079
Yeah, you know, and he appears. nice, isn't it?

1793
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:25.199
Um, there's a special feature on one of these discs discs called um, 5 Doctors one studio where it's mainly the studio session of this and you see how they did that looking scene.

1794
01:26:25.260 --> 01:26:27.180
And yeah, it's really well done.

1795
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:30.960
Did they mention how everyone had been bonging on in those green rooms?

1796
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:34.260
They were also bloodshot.

1797
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:35.100
Oh, Pat.

1798
01:26:35.100 --> 01:26:40.920
Because it got, you know...

1799
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:44.100
He enjoyed...

1800
01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:45.420
This makes no sense at all.

1801
01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:46.260
No, whatever.

1802
01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:51.899
There's a lovely head cannon bit where...

1803
01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:54.060
For the 4th doctor, his adventures just continued.

1804
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:57.119
So we just catch up to him at the appropriate time.

1805
01:26:57.300 --> 01:27:03.300
Yeah, and, you know, sort of being time locked. he's not aware Yeah, this is sweet.

1806
01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:05.279
No, I don't need to deal with him.

1807
01:27:05.340 --> 01:27:06.239
I bloody wrestle on.

1808
01:27:06.300 --> 01:27:12.000
We talked about this when we were doing shada, remember, and how the continuity actually works.

1809
01:27:12.779 --> 01:27:14.760
I'll go back and listen to that.

1810
01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:19.979
So, yeah, the Tom Baker version of Shadow works with this original broadcast version.

1811
01:27:19.979 --> 01:27:23.100
Whereas the Paul McGann version works with the special edition.

1812
01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:24.119
Oh, really?

1813
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:26.819
That's how annoying we live.

1814
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:34.500
Yes, I turn off this podcast and walk slowly away from your iPhone, please.

1815
01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:46.739
This, I mean, this exchange between them, these 2 only get like 3 or 4 scenes together, but they re, like Herndel and Davison bounce really well off each other, really subtly, because you're right, Richard.

1816
01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:48.600
They both have that subtlety in their performance.

1817
01:27:48.659 --> 01:27:49.979
I like the Day Paul master figure.

1818
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:51.359
The 2 in the background.

1819
01:27:51.420 --> 01:27:52.020
It's really nice.

1820
01:27:52.859 --> 01:27:53.220
From John.

1821
01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:54.899
It's really lovely.

1822
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:58.319
Uncharacteristically generous of genre.

1823
01:27:58.380 --> 01:27:58.800
Yeah.

1824
01:27:58.859 --> 01:28:00.479
Well, he always had it in him.

1825
01:28:00.539 --> 01:28:02.760
It was just insecurity that brought it forward.

1826
01:28:02.819 --> 01:28:04.560
I love John so much.

1827
01:28:04.619 --> 01:28:08.220
I loved him as a little boy and there was a while I didn't really love him now too.

1828
01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:09.119
Look, all of them actually.

1829
01:28:09.420 --> 01:28:11.279
They're all brilliant.

1830
01:28:11.340 --> 01:28:13.079
Even Richard Herndle.

1831
01:28:13.140 --> 01:28:15.420
Richard Handel's terrific in this.

1832
01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:16.319
He really holds his own.

1833
01:28:16.380 --> 01:28:18.420
I actually quite like him being a bit more cheerful.

1834
01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:22.560
He is nothing like Hartnall, but that's quite nice characterisation.

1835
01:28:22.619 --> 01:28:23.880
He's more young Mr. Grace.

1836
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:28.079
Oh, oh, look.

1837
01:28:28.140 --> 01:28:29.579
Isn't he wonderful?

1838
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:31.380
Oh, there's two.

1839
01:28:35.939 --> 01:28:38.159
That's even more poignant now.

1840
01:28:38.220 --> 01:28:40.920
You think it's around this time that Janet decided nah.

1841
01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:43.199
I'm not.

1842
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:44.039
I'm off, Janet.

1843
01:28:44.100 --> 01:28:49.619
You getting that impression you're standing there thinking, I'm looking at the other 2 and thinking, yeah, that's not going to be my future.

1844
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:51.899
Yeah, well, she's only got what, 4 stories left?

1845
01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:54.479
No, I just thought, no, I'm not going to Carol Anne.

1846
01:28:54.539 --> 01:28:55.500
Oh, that's upsetting.

1847
01:28:55.619 --> 01:28:58.020
I always felt sad about this.

1848
01:28:58.079 --> 01:28:59.460
Yeah it is up soon.

1849
01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:01.680
No, this, Sarah.

1850
01:29:01.739 --> 01:29:02.880
She'll be back.

1851
01:29:02.939 --> 01:29:03.659
It's all right.

1852
01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:06.239
I know, but it's just like, she's so great.

1853
01:29:07.140 --> 01:29:09.600
Yeah, I think, did she work that out?

1854
01:29:09.659 --> 01:29:10.319
That's who he is?

1855
01:29:11.579 --> 01:29:13.319
And she says Biden.

1856
01:29:13.380 --> 01:29:15.420
Oh yeah, she's just messing up the tensors, I think.

1857
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:17.579
I think...

1858
01:29:17.579 --> 01:29:20.100
School reunion kind of implies that she doesn't remember this.

1859
01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:21.000
Yes.

1860
01:29:21.060 --> 01:29:22.560
Well, I think they just kind of ignored it.

1861
01:29:22.619 --> 01:29:23.699
It was children of need.

1862
01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:24.600
Children in need.

1863
01:29:24.659 --> 01:29:25.859
It wasn't a proper Doctor Who night.

1864
01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:26.640
It's not Canada.

1865
01:29:26.699 --> 01:29:28.260
That's my thing is when people are taken out of time.

1866
01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:30.359
Yeah, they forget that these things happen.

1867
01:29:30.420 --> 01:29:32.460
Well, that's my interpretation.

1868
01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:33.300
No, that makes a lot of sense.

1869
01:29:33.359 --> 01:29:37.079
They remember vaguely some of the things, but they don't quite... remember the details.

1870
01:29:37.140 --> 01:29:38.279
Love the doctor, remember?

1871
01:29:38.340 --> 01:29:40.439
I think the latest one does.

1872
01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:42.539
Yeah, definitely.

1873
01:29:42.539 --> 01:29:45.300
He might remember he met himself, but he doesn't remember the specific details.

1874
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:47.039
Otherwise, that's a continuity time.

1875
01:29:47.100 --> 01:29:48.960
Now, oh, here she is.

1876
01:29:49.020 --> 01:29:50.220
In the special.

1877
01:29:50.220 --> 01:29:50.939
I did love that.

1878
01:29:50.939 --> 01:29:55.560
Clicky finger. mince, mince.

1879
01:29:55.619 --> 01:29:56.760
No, they're just admirers.

1880
01:29:56.819 --> 01:30:00.060
That's her the Chance of Flavour Appreciation Society.

1881
01:30:00.300 --> 01:30:04.500
They just dress as guards and follow her around wherever she goes.

1882
01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:07.619
I always like the TARDIS going off. loved that.

1883
01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:09.720
And of course, they cut that out of the 95 though.

1884
01:30:09.779 --> 01:30:16.739
Well, no, it's in there, but they use the Casper the Friendly Ghost time scoop thing with the appropriate doctor's face in it.

1885
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:17.939
Oh, yuck.

1886
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.460
You know, it's equal parts yuck and kind of sweet.

1887
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:22.680
No, I like the Titus.

1888
01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:23.340
I like this.

1889
01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:25.680
The look on his face.

1890
01:30:26.939 --> 01:30:30.119
I think it's well intentioned, but it is simple.

1891
01:30:30.180 --> 01:30:30.720
The full counsel.

1892
01:30:30.779 --> 01:30:32.100
She is the full, isn't she?

1893
01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:37.500
But the thing is, she says, it's my honour, again, to confer on you, the lord president.

1894
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:42.539
I think she's Lord Usher from Gold Usher from...

1895
01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:43.739
Yeah, exactly.

1896
01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:44.939
She's Howard Lang.

1897
01:30:45.060 --> 01:30:51.300
Yes, and when we were really noxious fanboys, I do remember thinking there has to be a story in between these that we don't see.

1898
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:51.960
Yeah.

1899
01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:54.300
No, I think she's Howard Lang.

1900
01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:55.800
Great acting here from Peter.

1901
01:30:55.859 --> 01:30:56.340
Yeah.

1902
01:30:56.340 --> 01:30:59.819
No, seriously, I think he's fabulous in it.

1903
01:30:59.880 --> 01:31:00.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1904
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:06.119
But it's this conversation at the end, which I think is symptomatic.

1905
01:31:06.180 --> 01:31:12.420
This is where the show is now going to circle the drain. should have been the end of this style of show.

1906
01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:18.539
The where they say, where he says that's how it all started.

1907
01:31:19.020 --> 01:31:25.380
But he, the show doesn't start with him on the run from his, on from Gallifrey in Iraq at the old time.

1908
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:32.220
No, but it starts with 2 school teachers creepily following a girl home from school.

1909
01:31:33.899 --> 01:31:40.619
You know, and the idea that this is a show about a gala frame from the constellation of Custurbus.

1910
01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:41.760
I've complained about it before.

1911
01:31:41.819 --> 01:31:43.619
I think it exemplifies it.

1912
01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:50.699
I take your point, but I think I think in the context of this story, that line works and it's beautiful.

1913
01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:51.119
I agree.

1914
01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:55.380
And they all get credited as the doctor now after only the credited as Doctor Who.

1915
01:31:55.500 --> 01:31:56.220
Doctor Who before?

1916
01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:56.460
Yeah.

1917
01:31:57.180 --> 01:32:00.960
And here's, yeah, all of our...

1918
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:04.380
Would this have been the end of all of the list making and rebooting?

1919
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:06.420
Just throwing.

1920
01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:08.220
Have you seen what's happening next story?

1921
01:32:08.340 --> 01:32:10.859
And we could have had, but I love the next story.

1922
01:32:11.340 --> 01:32:14.640
So 7.700000 viewers tuned into this.

1923
01:32:14.699 --> 01:32:15.840
Okay.

1924
01:32:15.899 --> 01:32:18.479
But the A team are on the opposite channel.

1925
01:32:18.539 --> 01:32:22.439
Well, I mean, that's going to be for the next couple of years, really.

1926
01:32:22.500 --> 01:32:32.819
But it is interesting that I actually thought they would have got over 9000000 for this compared to what's around, but there's only about 5 or 6 more episodes over the next 2 years that get in the 50s.

1927
01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:35.699
In fact, the next 2 get 51 and 52 on the chart.

1928
01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:44.699
So do you think this probably lifts, you know, like it's a new season, enough people have watched this that maybe there's a spike as a result of this?

1929
01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:47.159
No, I mean, this is in between seasons.

1930
01:32:47.220 --> 01:32:50.279
Mind you, it is only 2 months before Warriors of the Deep.

1931
01:32:50.460 --> 01:32:55.199
But I think it's enough to keep it in the public's mind, perhaps.

1932
01:32:55.260 --> 01:33:00.720
Yeah, as opposed to forgetting about it. looping back to the menu now, dear listener.

1933
01:33:00.779 --> 01:33:03.420
Yeah, so...

1934
01:33:03.420 --> 01:33:05.939
I, it's so, it's so very good.

1935
01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:08.039
It's much better than the 3 doctors.

1936
01:33:08.100 --> 01:33:09.000
I feel full.

1937
01:33:09.180 --> 01:33:12.720
Lots and lots of sticky, squidgy fudginess.

1938
01:33:12.779 --> 01:33:15.300
I love it, like despite...

1939
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:19.260
Look, it was so joyous also, just to see these people on screen.

1940
01:33:19.260 --> 01:33:19.800
Yes, yes.

1941
01:33:19.859 --> 01:33:22.920
And to see, you didn't get to see them and there weren't videos.

1942
01:33:22.979 --> 01:33:23.880
That's how it was big.

1943
01:33:24.180 --> 01:33:28.199
I don't think it's a story in the same way that the 3 doctors is a story.

1944
01:33:28.260 --> 01:33:33.180
I think it's the children in need special with a lot of people doing coming in and doing their party pieces.

1945
01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:34.859
That's fine.

1946
01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:36.119
That's perfectly fine.

1947
01:33:36.180 --> 01:33:36.779
And I love it.

1948
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:38.100
Like it's really enjoyable.

1949
01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:46.260
And, you know, 20 years after this, we'd get Day of the Doctor kind of distilling the 2 approaches of a story-based thing and a doctor-based thing.

1950
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:50.460
Yeah, but I mean, the writing is just much more skilful than either of those.

1951
01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:53.939
I mean, this is Moffat and that's modern television. just better.

1952
01:33:54.060 --> 01:33:54.840
Yeah.

1953
01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:56.760
And budget wise and all the rest of it.

1954
01:33:56.819 --> 01:33:58.319
Yeah, this was that we were leisurely.

1955
01:33:58.380 --> 01:33:59.039
Yeah.

1956
01:33:59.100 --> 01:34:01.920
I do love the thing it kind of borrows.

1957
01:34:01.979 --> 01:34:11.039
Dave the Doctor kind of borrows from this is, you know, we commented, the doctors are doing a thing that, you know, you immediately recognise that, you know, John's driving his card out of that.

1958
01:34:11.100 --> 01:34:12.539
So what does the 10th doctor get to do?

1959
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:16.560
He's seducing a historical celebrity because he thinks she's an alien monster.

1960
01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:19.680
Yes, that's the Russell T. Davis era.

1961
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:28.079
I guess the only thing like, I always want to see more of the doctors together at times.

1962
01:34:28.140 --> 01:34:29.340
Yes, yeah, yeah.

1963
01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:30.119
Yeah.

1964
01:34:30.180 --> 01:34:33.600
That's where big finish have been quite successful with their multi-doctor stories.

1965
01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:34.739
Very successful.

1966
01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:36.359
I love the light at the end.

1967
01:34:36.420 --> 01:34:37.439
Light at the end.

1968
01:34:37.500 --> 01:34:38.819
The 4 doctors.

1969
01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:40.680
The last episode of Sirens of Time.

1970
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:44.579
Yeah, yeah, but...

1971
01:34:44.579 --> 01:34:54.300
I do wonder if the idea of a multi-doctor story would still be around if we hadn't had the 5 doctors.

1972
01:34:54.300 --> 01:35:02.460
Because, you know, the 3 doctors was kind of a one off, but then it became the thing you do at anniversary is divisible by a 10.

1973
01:35:02.699 --> 01:35:05.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah. because, you know, dimensions in time.

1974
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:07.560
But it's always been a fan wish, isn't it?

1975
01:35:07.619 --> 01:35:08.220
Hasn't it?

1976
01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:08.760
Yeah, yeah.

1977
01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:09.899
Fans of sort of.

1978
01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:11.220
Gosh, Pat's so good in that.

1979
01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:15.539
I think I want to go back and rewatch all the entire Patrick Troughton era.

1980
01:35:15.659 --> 01:35:16.739
Yeah, let's do that.

1981
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:19.020
We've got the sound thing out.

1982
01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:22.079
Right.

1983
01:35:22.140 --> 01:35:25.260
Well, I think it's getting close to sign off.

1984
01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:32.159
We will be back in 2 weeks with our 1st retro commentary, which is Doctor Who and the Keys of Mariners.

1985
01:35:32.220 --> 01:35:33.840
Your fault you voted for.

1986
01:35:34.260 --> 01:35:36.119
My fault for proposing it, I feel bad.

1987
01:35:36.180 --> 01:35:51.359
And also, if you jump on our Twitter account now, we've each put forward a Patrick Troughton story or we will have done. for you to vote on as well, which I think will release after season 21. alert, it's the crotons.

1988
01:35:51.779 --> 01:35:53.640
Something short.

1989
01:35:53.699 --> 01:35:55.260
It's the war game.

1990
01:35:55.319 --> 01:35:57.600
Do not put that up, please.

1991
01:35:57.659 --> 01:35:59.640
I love it, but I'm not 10 episodes.

1992
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.520
Because people will vote for it now that you said that.

1993
01:36:03.779 --> 01:36:06.479
Until then, do check us out.

1994
01:36:06.899 --> 01:36:14.699
Just to see Todd's face gone. flight through entirety.com flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and FTE podcast on Twitter.

1995
01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:16.199
Over on Bond Finger.

1996
01:36:16.260 --> 01:36:28.859
Now, it's a bit difficult because we're recording this so far in events, but I think our most recent commentary is octopussy and never say never again will be coming soon on Bondfinger.com, Bondfinger on on iTunes and Bond Fingercast on Twitter.

1997
01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:30.539
Gentlemen, any closing comments?

1998
01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:32.159
I think we're done.

1999
01:36:32.939 --> 01:36:36.060
I'm still wiping icing sugar off my face.

2000
01:36:37.020 --> 01:36:40.079
It's such a fun, enjoyable romp.

2001
01:36:40.140 --> 01:36:45.840
I just really love it It's my favourite, it's my favourite Pete up to this point. lovely.

2002
01:36:45.899 --> 01:36:46.619
Fantastic.

2003
01:36:46.680 --> 01:36:49.319
I haven't watched this for years and years.

2004
01:36:49.380 --> 01:36:53.159
I didn't actually, you know, when you get older and you go, you poo-pooh these things.

2005
01:36:53.220 --> 01:36:57.899
And then being able to see this again, it's actually just as lovely as I remember.

2006
01:36:57.960 --> 01:36:58.739
Alright.

2007
01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:06.060
Well, then, until next time, may none of your Joan Crawford lookalikes try to attain immortality through an old man's ring.

2008
01:37:06.180 --> 01:37:07.380
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

2009
01:37:07.500 --> 01:37:08.399
Good night.

2010
01:37:08.460 --> 01:37:09.420
See you soon.

2011
01:37:09.539 --> 01:37:10.800
Ouch.