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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back after an extended absence

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to Flight Through Entirety.

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The only Doctor Who podcast who can teach you the value of using

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karate against pantomime sea monsters.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan I've just discovered that my fingers fish fingers

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contain pantomime whores.

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And we're back with season 21 and it's Warriors of the Deep.

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I'm going to take a surprising role. in this conversation, because

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for once, I don't really like this story at all.

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You don't?

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Oh, I loved it at the time and I'm still quite fond of it and for

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many good reasons and some bad ones.

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Actually, I have to say that I am a little bit more ambivalent.

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I think we'll find ourselves in agreement over some of the good

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points.

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What do you like about it, particularly?

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I like that it goes against the conventions at the time and the

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conventions of Johnny Byrne the Writer, this being worries of the

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deepest being 1984.

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This being pretty much the last Cold War story we get

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contemporaneous with issues and such like.

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So there's 2 reasons I like this story, is the political nousiness

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of it at the time, that it was really on the edge, and that it

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goes against received wisdom that all bases under siege should now

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look like Ridley Scott's back bathroom out back of the potting

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shed and be dark and dank, because really, if it's, you know, I

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think the set was amazing, and it was Tony, what's his face, wasn't

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it, who did it?

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Tony Burrows, I believe?

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Yeah, because he took over from some bloke who was very quickly

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dismissed, so we won't mention his name.

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And the fact that it was white and shiny and made of glossy milk

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crates, it looked stunning.

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I think it still does.

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And the jumpsuits are so 1984.

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We said that, or I said at least that terminus was peak 80s, but I

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actually have to say that I think worries are the deep is peak 80s

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particularly Preston's hair, and Tegan has the most terrifying

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hair.

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Not since what was her name?

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Madeline Sigri, we actually had such post-contemporaneous hair

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haven't we?

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It's a kind of, you know, like 30s film star thing. very

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glamorous.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, it's actually very 80s new romantic postmod, isn't it, with

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the island?

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I like the boys are wearing eyeliner, do you think, by a small nod

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to the sand miner?

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It certainly that was part of the Sand Mitres vision of the future

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in that makeup is not just for girls anymore.

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Everyone's a bit Nance.

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Yeah, and I have always loved the sets in this story.

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I think what happened was some reference book called Interview

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possibly, shared the fact that originally, this story was scripted

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to be dark and dank, and it's not exactly a forgotten base, but

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they've been down there a long time, but someone pointed out, hold

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on, we've got that further down the line on this prison in

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Resurrection of the Daleks.

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We don't want to have too similar looking things.

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Doctor Who not wanting to reuse sets.

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What going on?

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But they also have that rule from the BBC about illumination

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contrast.

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So you weren't allowed to provide dark sex unless you were doing a

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Dickens.

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I don't know why things were suspended for classics, but not for

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this because it's still the drama department.

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I think it's shot on videotape in the studio and I think that, you

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know, the televisions of the time needed to read is on.

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You can't actually have a very dark frame at all in Doctor Who at

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this time.

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Yeah, I mean, the received wisdom is it should be in a submarine.

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It should be dark and atmospheric, but it looks like a sort of

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cheap version of mission control from Space 1999.

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But it doesn't look cheap at the time. don't think it looks cheap

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now.

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It actually has more complexity in the Space 1999 set.

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It just doesn't have the breadth and depth.

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It doesn't have the size of it.

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It doesn't have got the range.

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I mean, it does have different levels.

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Yeah, it's impressive.

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I think there's a moment where Tegan throws someone against a wall

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or maybe Pete throws someone against a wall.

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I can't quite remember it.

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They get a wobbly.

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It wobbles like nothing else.

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But I remember being hugely impressed by the look of this show.

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And even, I think, to some degree by the redesign of the

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monsters.

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Do we want to go there yet?

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Before we go there, talk about plotty things?

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Well, I have one more thing to say about the corridors.

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There's actually a bit, sort of, with the sea devils and soil

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orients advancing later.

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Spoiler alert, there's solarins and sea devils in this, where

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everyone keeps walking past the same section of corridor.

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Like the sea devils are going on one way and they're on level 4

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and then pizza level 3, but it's the same bit of corridor because

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it's got the same lettering on it.

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It wasn't pointed out to Lenny Henry did his sketch, but that came

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out after this, didn't it?

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Do you remember Lenny Henry's send up at this Mr. Dawn French?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Run up and down the corridors.

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Yeah, no one apparently no one had actually said it out loud.

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Well, not unless they were within cloistered fan convention

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circles.

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We've only just had conventions starting.

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So this is only a year in to fandom or doctor, what we take for

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granted now as being how this show operates.

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We're only 12 months into the new who, the new world, which is the

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constant interplay between the observing fan or, you know, the

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dedicated viewer and the production office.

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We've had Levine go and play little notes on his spinet before in

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little high notes there, but, you know, usually intrusive things

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you go, ah, what was that?

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But now it's a full on symphonic orchestration of fan reported

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wisdom and reportage.

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And whether that's a good thing or not, I think we'll discover as

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the next few seasons unfold.

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That's actually similar to my experience because this season is

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the 1st season that I remember reading a kind of spoiler-free

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summary of what the stories were going to be in some magazine.

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I seem to remember going Starburst.

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Yeah, possibly Starburst.

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I don't think it was DWN, but I did know going in what the stories

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were going to be in vaguely what the shape of the season was going

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to be. an extraordinary thing.

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And I remember those, they were the pages that you really had to

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borrow your mum's hairdryer to get a part again, didn't they?

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Because of the sweaty fingers, Brendan, that made them click

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together.

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Stop it.

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Yes, it was.

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No, the excitement of knowing.

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But it's kind of like rattling under your parents' bed before

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Christmas.

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You shouldn't really know that kind of thing is going on before

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Father Christmas drops, don't you shoot?

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You shouldn't know these things.

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I mean, now it's the sort of thing that it takes a really special

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conscious effort to avoid.

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Very much so.

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But then it, you know, this was happening for the 1st time.

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And I remember being really, really excited about this upcoming

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season.

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Imagine going to school playingground and having people being

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surprised that Tom had regenerated last night.

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That happened.

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Yeah, whereas I think going in, I think we knew that this was

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Pete's last season and we knew that Colin was coming back for the

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last story of the season, which should turn out well.

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Absolutely.

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Is this your story?

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I noticed that there's a certain polish to your vim today, so

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there's obviously the enthusiasm's really infecting us all right

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now.

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What did you love the most about this wonderful stories?

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Magnificent story.

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Let's do it like just a minute. 60 seconds, no repetition, no

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deviation.

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No circumspection. talk with any of those.

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I do want to talk about what I think the big problem with the

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story is, can we do that?

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Yes, please.

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Yeah.

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So I think the big problem with the story, and it's going to

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happen twice this year, is that Earthshock was such a stunning

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success last year, even though we didn't really like it. was

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hugely, wasn't it?

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But viewers and fan thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so essentially they're just remaking it with Silurians.

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That's deliberate, isn't it?

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That was the brief to Johnny Byrne.

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Yeah, wasn't it?

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Although he said he rehashed a Space 1979 group.

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But I haven't been able to find what this story was in Space

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1979.

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No, they did bases under siege, did they?

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Well, only that Minbai Salfa was in itself.

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But, you know, like Christmas decoration spun off the tree.

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So here, the Silurians are kind of cyborgy robot things, for some

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reason, they give them terrible electronic voices and like really

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terrible.

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What do you mean?

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Start about function.

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That's kind of like a 70s Silurian.

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Excellent, skim us.

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Oh, God, that's true.

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And Brendan did that beautifully with a red bike flashlight

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sellotape to his head.

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What that frick is that?

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It's all the rage in Fiji.

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Yeah it is.

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Yeah, so they've got flashing lights in their heads to make it

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clear.

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Well, as we do, right?

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Well, no one can see mine, but that's for another day.

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So the original costume that I was like that hilarious light that

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could make John Pertwee Gurn on demand. you know what I mean?

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Like, you could just turn it on someone.

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But clearly no one's seen the show since then.

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And so they use it just as a standard Dalek way of letting you

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know who's speaking.

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I think everyone should have that in the iPod generation.

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All these kids walking around with pods, you know, in their

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hands.

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I think there should be something stapled to their foreheads as

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well.

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So they're like a dialect eye piece.

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Moffatt is ahead of the game again.

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Not for identification, just a staple something.

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Yeah, just to do that.

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But it's like they've just looked at a photo of a Silurian and

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gone, oh, what's that middle I thought?

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Well, it must flash when they talk.

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Otherwise, how are you going to know?

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I don't know, through movement or body language. possibly?

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I think it's to visually separate them from Ingrid Pitt.

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So you can tell a different place.

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The lizard with the flashing light in its head.

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That's the same...

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We should name check Ms. Pitt, who plays what, Dr. Solo, who was

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cast up.

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She was actually going to play Preston.

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Did you know that?

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She was going to play the Annie Lambert-esque kind of character.

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He doesn't do anything but wander around and be depressed, which

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he runs a suburb in Melbourne.

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She does run like a girl, but then so did Roger Moore, as we

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know.

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And Peter actually, it has got a little bit of the expert.

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No, since we've been doing Bondfinger.

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Have you been noticing the crossover in Pete and Rogers

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performances?

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I'd like to think they were informed by each other to some extent

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because Pete does run. a little bit like Rog.

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Sorry, Pete, I know you're listening properly.

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In terms of...

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In terms of both Preston and Antaraward, this is another example

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of director Pennant Roberts.

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Yes.

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Can we get on?

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Women enrol, which written for men?

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And not changing a single line, like Man in the Sunmakers.

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What are you doing, man?

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That was great.

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Can we do that?

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In the script, the only role written as a woman, aside from Tegan

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of course, was Karina.

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Yeah.

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And doesn't she get about the set in a pouty, terrible, discordant

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tiresome way?

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Something I actually really like.

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I like the lawyers on the phone.

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Sorry. like most of the human characters in this.

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I actually had them very welcome, aren't they?

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Yeah, the rounded, maybe?

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And the relationship...

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Are you saying no?

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No.

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Well, okay, the relationship between Maddox and Karina, for

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instance, they only get a few scenes together before spoiler

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alert.

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He's forced to murder her.

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Which is awful, can I say, just as a spoiler alert.

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It is awful.

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Well, the show is a massacre and probably that's...

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But because of the way they've played those few scenes leading up

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to it.

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And because of the way Martin Neal plays Maddox in that scene, you

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know, it's like he has no control over his body, but facially he

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is just furious at his own impotence in the situation.

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If you look back to, say, robots of death, which is unquestionably

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a better story, and you compare Zelda to Karina.

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Zelda has a lot more screen time, but I think Karina's death is a

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lot more effective.

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Quite similar in so many ways to past stories.

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I think the Maddox character is the only one that is actually

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properly rounded out and the most fragile character and also that

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what the hell is wrong with this story. single biggest creative

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choice, but we'll get onto that later.

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What are you going to say?

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There's a problem with bases under siege, and it's been a long

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while since we've recorded an episode, so I'm going to name check

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Sander. take a drink.

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And he says that one of the problems with bases under siege that

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are poorly written is that the only real characteristics that any

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of the characters have is how well do they cope with a base under

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siege or what side are they on?

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Like the only person here who has any personality or personal

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characteristics is Maddox, but everyone else is just a uniform, you

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know, to react to the monsters and maybe get killed.

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And that's sort of boring, I think.

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And it does mean just the endless deaths, like everyone gets

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killed one by one, you know, they're not really impactful.

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There's scene after scene of people in corridors shooting guns at

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other people in rubber who are shooting guns at them.

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It's like an Angela Lansbury murder she wrote.

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Same damn thing.

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It's like Agatha Christie is still writing in 1984.

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You know who I think is the biggest letdown in terms of

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performance in this story?

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Say Peter, go on.

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It's Tom Adams.

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Which one's he?

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Oh, he's the hot seat.

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He's Commander Vorsack.

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And yes, he's hot.

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And he's also a brilliant actor.

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But in this, he's terrible.

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What is he in?

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Listeners of the podcast may remember him from the Latter-day

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Avengers episode Takeover, one of the best Tara King episodes

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where he's a very good menacing villain.

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He's played quite a few villains over the years and authority

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figures.

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And he just seems a bit lost in this, really.

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Everyone kind of holds up Beryl Reeders.

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Beryl Reed didn't know what she was saying.

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No, she didn't know what she was saying, but she knew the emotion

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of the scene.

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I don't think Tom Adams does.

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Yeah, well I think the whole thing's so underwritten, though, that

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there's not really much for him to do.

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Can we talk about the villains?

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Yes.

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So we have, is it Ian?

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I want to say Ian McCulloch.

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Yeah, Ian McCulloch.

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So Ian McCulloch was...

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Not the one from Micko and the Barneyman.

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No.

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He was in Survivors.

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He was in the first...

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Was that tire?

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Did you find that tiresome?

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I did.

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I've watched all of Survivors, and I have a medal to prove it.

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So he's in the 1st 2 seasons before he gets sick of it and goes

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off to be replaced by Dennis Lil, more of whom next week.

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You know, he was originally cast as Commander LoveSheck, whatever

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it was, really.

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Yeah, Commander War show.

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Yeah, it was.

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Oh, and they decided to make him the villa.

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Yeah, go forces.

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Because Tom Adams, I've now remembered, was most famous for the

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Oneedin line.

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Peter Gilmore as well.

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In front bottom Zos off, whatever we're going to start with.

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In 2 weeks time. where we'll be enraging Christopher Bidmead once

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more, I'm sure.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Fond listener of the podcast, as he is.

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So Ian McCulloch was in Survivors, and he plays just a really

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really terrible, obvious villain and his scenes with him and Solo

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where they're just both villainying at each other in the most kind

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of like us on this podcast.

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Well, yeah, essentially.

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And he's got the worst Trump...

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Steady on Comova that I have ever seen on Doctor Who.

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I mean, it's no wonder.

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Doctor Who's always been pressing it.

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It really has.

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Well, also, I've been wondering who these 2 power blocks are

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because there's great bits.

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I think even at one point Nielsen says we work for the power block

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opposed to this one.

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It's like, yeah, we don't do names now.

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It's very it's very Patrick McGuan, isn't it?

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I like that.

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You know, but we do all frock up.

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I thought they were just a bit Eastern block because they always

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get the fashion a little bit wrong.

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Well, and they're kind of doing the accent.

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Certainly, Ingrid.

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Ingrid Pitts.

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Pitts always don't have very own accent.

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She's always Alexandra in Josie and the pussycats.

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She's always, you know, got her own take on the action.

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So in terms of these 2 blocks, you know, obviously we have English

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characters and we have European, possibly Eastern European

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characters, so by that extension, you know, we think maybe Russia

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might be in this block.

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So it's like, okay, so have Britain and Russia join forces in the

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future.

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In that case, who's on the other side?

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The kid running the missile command game on the huge Commodore 64

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screen that they've got up on the, it is missile command.

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Oh, it is Miss Holcombe.

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On the BBC micro and hence terrible.

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It's no games again, isn't it?

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It's that 80s film.

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I think the other side is being run by President Trump's head in a

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jar.

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I actually think, no, I think it's New Zealand is one of the

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blocks.

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Everyone else in the world is the other block.

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So New Zealand is represented by the underwater reptilian races.

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It's Zeus Pod, isn't it?

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It's the Zeus pod power block versus the flight through entire.

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Hey, we've got 42 to doomsday as well, guys.

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I think that's definitely it.

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And it's New Zealand that runs the base and everyone else is

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evil.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We're going to wipe them out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That explains the fashion choices and odd hair, side ponies and

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scrunchy things.

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There are good things to say about this show.

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I think Janet gets to give it.

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This is the thing.

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Janet likes to complain that Pennant Roberts missed her out on

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Tencoke because her boobs were too big.

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Every damn time you stick a microphone in front of a woman.

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And I said, well, the microphone got near your mouth, so I don't

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really see what the problem with, you know, getting a script near

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your face is going to hurt you.

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But anyway, love you, Janet.

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But, but he just finished Tenco.

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And that was lauded and applauded.

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I remember it as a little boy.

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It's one of the most powerful things I'd ever seen on TV.

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And, you know, it's about a Japanese run in Southeast Asian

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internment for women.

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And Louise Jemison is, of course, in it.

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Stephanie, Stephanie Beach, Stephanie Cole from our favourite

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comedy radio podcast, Cabin Pressure, with Benedict Cummy Snatch

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whatever his name is, and Roger Allen and people we love.

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But, ba, ba, ba.

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This was like he was riding high as one of the BBC's favourite

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directors.

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So this was seen as the story to open a brand new post anniversary

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Doctor Who.

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Let's get the ratings right back up to the mid 70s.

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And this story was seen as the one that would do it.

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Johnny Byrne is a lauded international SF screenwriter seen from

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Space 1979, the biggest budget television program ever made in the

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UK up until bride's had revisited. which of course had just been

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on.

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So big budget, big sets, big names.

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This for Doctor Who is a big name cast.

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It has some extraordinary choices, plus and minus.

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John Nathan Turner made 2 choices for this one.

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One was to include the market.

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The other one was to have the drowning scene with the doctor, which

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for me at this age, and I think up to this point in the show's

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history is the most dramatic moment for the doctor, apart from a

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regeneration we've ever seen.

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It looks harrowing.

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It does look very good, and it is a big surprise to see them come

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into that set and have there be water at the bottom of it.

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Like it's something that we haven't really seen before.

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But it is done in a bit of a perfunctory way. you think so?

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Well, not a surprising way.

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He falls into the water until suddenly says...

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And Turley says, he's dead.

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No one can survive it in the water for more than sort of 5

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seconds.

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He must be dead.

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The thing is, like, I'd always thought of everything as well, but

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I have looked into it.

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You can hit the water and drown almost instantly from that

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height.

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Right.

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And I think it's the fact that he's looking down and it's still a

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bit melodramatic, especially seeing as he just seems to wake up in

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the water for no regular apparent reason 5 seconds later.

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He was just having a little rest. before diving down and opening

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up that thing.

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We should all mention it's actually Gareth Milne, as Pete owns.

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Yeah.

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A.A. Milnes, younger and unbeloved son, who was, yes, who was Eor

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in the books.

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Right.

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And a very abusive child.

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I have to agree with you, Richard.

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Janet is great in the story.

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She is.

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That's the point, is that, you know, I'm sorry, and we interrupt

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ourselves speaking as hello, listener, but Roberts was seen as a

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really terrific director.

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It was a coup to get him back again.

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You know, it's not Ron Jones, as we're going to later see in the

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season.

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And the thing is, he really knows how to work with people as far

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as set pieces and drama.

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Maybe not. as we'll get to with the action scenes of this, but he

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gets actors.

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And yet, I don't know that we're actually getting that in this

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story, are we?

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We get it from Janet, I would argue.

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I think it's all too underwritten, there's nothing for any of the

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anchors to latch onto.

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Pete is totally convincing.

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Oh, yeah.

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He does.

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And I actually think he's had his best now.

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He's really hit his stride.

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You know, there's that great bit where he's holding the gun on

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Borschak and Borschak's like, well, what do we do now?

508
00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:13.380
And the doctor goes, oh, okay, here's the gun.

509
00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:14.220
See, you can trust me.

510
00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:15.299
Gorgeous, isn't it?

511
00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:16.980
It's such an Avengers moment too, yeah.

512
00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:20.579
And I mean, something else I love in this story is Mark Strickson

513
00:21:20.579 --> 00:21:23.220
sort of runs around threatening people with a gun and then when

514
00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:25.920
they do what he wants, he's just like, oh, okay.

515
00:21:25.980 --> 00:21:30.480
He's got a fantastic panicked way of holding a gun and he'll do it

516
00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:32.519
again in frontios.

517
00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:37.680
But he's sort of lanky and the way he runs all sort of hunched

518
00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:39.960
over and uncoordinated and panicked.

519
00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:42.960
Like, let's talk about Burlow.

520
00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:45.720
Yes, please. the companions because I honestly think this is the

521
00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.359
tightest team we've had in the TARDIS for a long time.

522
00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:51.900
Todd thinks it's the best regular cast of the 1980s.

523
00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:53.700
You may be right, actually.

524
00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.819
Although I still love the character of Nissa, and I, because I

525
00:21:56.819 --> 00:21:59.279
love Sarah Sutton, I don't think she was, we've covered this

526
00:21:59.279 --> 00:21:59.880
before.

527
00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:04.079
Nissa was, to the 80s, what Susan was to the early 60s.

528
00:22:04.140 --> 00:22:08.099
And I think later with Silv and Sophie, we're going to have a lot

529
00:22:08.099 --> 00:22:10.380
more of a sparky, bouncy...

530
00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:10.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

531
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.180
But for where we are now.

532
00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.980
I think this is the best that we've had.

533
00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:15.119
Yeah, absolutely.

534
00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.420
Particularly since Janet's really on form, she gets to be sort of

535
00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:20.339
reasonably intelligent and proactive.

536
00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:21.480
She's great in this.

537
00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:22.680
There's even...

538
00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:29.160
Look, I mean, I think this story is awash and magically...

539
00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:32.339
But, you know, thematically, there's really not much going on here

540
00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:34.079
except I think in episode four.

541
00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:39.839
Pete has the choice to wipe out the Silurians and the sea devils

542
00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:43.559
using their hexachromite gas, which is conveniently set up for

543
00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:44.339
them in episode one.

544
00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:47.400
We need to come back to that because that's entirely topical at

545
00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:50.220
the moment with toxic waste and water supplies.

546
00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:54.180
Hexachromide is used for chromium plating of furniture, and it's

547
00:22:54.180 --> 00:22:56.160
one of the most toxic chemicals we have in the world.

548
00:22:56.220 --> 00:22:58.140
It's causing problems in Australia.

549
00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.440
It's caused massive problems with potable water supplies in the US

550
00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:03.180
or yeah, chromite 6.

551
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.160
So they were really onto a lot of things here.

552
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:09.240
So they use it to set up a moral dilemma where Pete has to decide

553
00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:12.599
essentially to gas everyone in order to save the world.

554
00:23:12.660 --> 00:23:17.819
And Tegan thinks he should do it, but she's not bloodthirsty or

555
00:23:17.819 --> 00:23:18.359
vindictive.

556
00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:20.880
She's not doing it because she wants to get the silurian.

557
00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:22.859
She's doing it because she's made this moral calculus.

558
00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:24.599
She's a white Australian from Brisbane.

559
00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:26.519
Yeah, we kill stacks of things.

560
00:23:26.579 --> 00:23:28.920
And Pete's reluctant to do it.

561
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:32.880
And I think that's all fairly underdeveloped and not that great

562
00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:35.940
but it really is the closest thing that the story has to some kind

563
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:37.380
of thematic content.

564
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.220
It's a bit of a cheat because they spend about 10 minutes with the

565
00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:43.259
doctor stumbling about saying, oh, you know, we have to find

566
00:23:43.259 --> 00:23:46.079
something else that'll do the same job and then they just don't.

567
00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:48.660
And they go with the original choice anyway.

568
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:49.440
And they were never going to.

569
00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:53.039
You're not introducing its Chekhovs, you know, hexochromite gas.

570
00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:56.099
You're not going to introduce it in episode one, say that it kills

571
00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:59.160
reptiles in marine life, and then not use it to kill all the

572
00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:00.900
Silurians in episode four.

573
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.059
It's obviously set up that way.

574
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:04.680
So it's a foregone conclusion.

575
00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:05.279
Yeah.

576
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:08.759
And I think there's something terrible about writing a story that

577
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.579
puts the doctor in the position of gassing a whole bunch of people

578
00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:12.839
to save everyone.

579
00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:17.880
And the fact that everyone is dead at the end of it except for the

580
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:22.140
regular cast, and that, you know, Turlo shoots a silure in in the

581
00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:25.200
chest, you know, these blank range, the gun.

582
00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:28.259
Brendan, everything Nathan's pointing out a SayWad rewrites of the

583
00:24:28.259 --> 00:24:29.039
burn screen.

584
00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:31.680
Yeah, I'm not at all surprised to hear that because he wants to

585
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.819
turn it into Earthshock, and he'll do it later on in the year with

586
00:24:35.819 --> 00:24:38.640
Resurrection of the Dale. of his own marriages, but it's okay.

587
00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:40.799
Four words I never use often.

588
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:42.660
In Eric Saywood's defence.

589
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:45.660
Have a drink, listener. your 1st for the day.

590
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.720
At this point, Johnny Byrne was living in America and unavailable

591
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:49.980
to perform rewrites.

592
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:54.240
And apparently the 1st set of scripts came in and episode one was

593
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:59.160
under episode 3 and 4 were badly misstructured, and episode 2 was

594
00:24:59.160 --> 00:24:59.880
double length.

595
00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:00.599
Right.

596
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.940
So he sort of had to crowbar it all in.

597
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.700
We also had big production problems in this.

598
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:07.799
Now, people might look at the mercury and say, that looks

599
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:08.339
unfinished.

600
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.799
Do you want to know who is ultimately to blame for that?

601
00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:12.420
I'd like to say Margaret Thatcher.

602
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.400
I'm going for Margaret Thatcher as well.

603
00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:17.220
In the wake of the Falkland War, Margaret Thatcher called the snap

604
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:19.259
election, which...

605
00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:19.680
Yeah.

606
00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:24.539
Which moved up production of worries of the deep by a week.

607
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:27.900
Matt Irvine had a lot to say, the FX guy on this, and I've had

608
00:25:27.900 --> 00:25:31.079
perhaps unfavourable things to say against Matt's work, but

609
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.119
considering, how long did he actually have to do this?

610
00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:37.079
he was a designer on this for, I think this is his 1st go at being

611
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.920
able to be a designer and being in charge of the models, we get an

612
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.460
ex-wing fighter as a Star Wars death satellite, one year into the

613
00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:47.759
Reagan plan. and it's made of Star Wars model.

614
00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:49.799
Very squee when you're that age.

615
00:25:49.859 --> 00:25:53.880
I think that the underwater base model is gorgeous.

616
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:55.920
Which is Ian Scoons, the submarine is beautiful.

617
00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:57.240
It's so spy who loved me.

618
00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:00.839
And on the DVD and I think it looks pretty good.

619
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:01.859
Sadly, it was dropped.

620
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:07.440
There's a deleted scene, CSO of Silurians walking along the seabed

621
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.079
from their ship to the sea base.

622
00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:13.619
And of course, it looks like 1980s Doctor Who's CSO, but it

623
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:16.859
doesn't look any worse than any other Doctor Who ACSO.

624
00:26:16.859 --> 00:26:19.559
I'll just say, because I'll figure something out.

625
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:21.119
Sorry, because I'll just forget, we're talking about the

626
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.220
contemporaneity of the story and how it fits in.

627
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:28.140
I had 2 girls this year in class burst into tears in front of me

628
00:26:28.140 --> 00:26:31.680
not of my own doing because they were sure that the bomb was going

629
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:31.980
to drop.

630
00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:36.720
This was still very much Cold War, and this is right on the money

631
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.400
of Cold War.

632
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:41.460
This, in fact, I just like to say that Doctor Who started on the

633
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:43.500
day of the Kennedy assassination.

634
00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:44.279
It ended.

635
00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:50.160
I think 4 weeks after the 1989 Destruction of the Berlin War.

636
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:52.859
Doctor Who was very much a part of Cold War history.

637
00:26:52.980 --> 00:26:54.359
And this one really gets it.

638
00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:57.059
I think more so than any of the 70s stories.

639
00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:01.440
Yeah, I did write in my notes that the allegory is very thin, but

640
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:04.680
the allegory is so thin because it's so pervasive.

641
00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:08.220
Especially around this time of the Falklands and all the rest and

642
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:10.799
with Reagan and Thatcher. we really did think that it was going to

643
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:11.039
happen.

644
00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:15.299
I think the big giveaway is when any story is set exactly a

645
00:27:15.299 --> 00:27:17.220
multiple of a 100 years.

646
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:18.420
Very Jerry Anderson.

647
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.079
And this is the 1st colour story set in the 21st century verbatim

648
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:23.759
that we know it's the 21st century.

649
00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:27.119
I quite like the fact that at the beginning of the story.

650
00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:30.480
We get a little bit of an info dump from the doctor saying to her

651
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:31.559
you've decided you want to stay with us.

652
00:27:31.619 --> 00:27:33.539
Oh God, the info dumps.

653
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:38.160
But it's really sweet that this and the next couple of stories all

654
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.640
start with pretty much Tegan wants to go somewhere, so they're

655
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:42.000
going there.

656
00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:43.559
Oh, Tegan wants to see a bit of her future.

657
00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:47.880
And I love how the doctor and Turlo are both just slightly

658
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:49.799
disdainful, but oh, it's earth again.

659
00:27:49.859 --> 00:27:52.380
Getting back to something we were talking about earlier.

660
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:54.900
I actually really like Tara Warders Preston.

661
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.720
I think, you know, she doesn't have much character written into a

662
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.119
dialogue, but she does a lot of great reactions to things

663
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:01.079
facially.

664
00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:03.960
Like when she wanders into the TARDIS, she's just like, check

665
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:04.440
through there.

666
00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:07.740
I think it's another one of those cases where 2 guards go in and

667
00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:08.940
you only ever see one come out.

668
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.759
So he's off chatting with the Earthshock Cyberman somewhere that's

669
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:12.119
still in there.

670
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:13.680
Oh, can be on here.

671
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:16.140
Oh, he's Chameleon. right. have to figure out.

672
00:28:16.259 --> 00:28:19.859
We have to figure out this season who Chameleon is in every

673
00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:20.160
story.

674
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:24.720
It's some skip it. but I... skip this.

675
00:28:25.380 --> 00:28:26.160
Yeah, come on.

676
00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:30.119
Yeah, the 1st episode of this story is all the solar ins and sea

677
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.759
based personnel telling each other their own names. you noticed?

678
00:28:32.819 --> 00:28:36.059
Yeah, but there is a huge amount of that among the Silurians and

679
00:28:36.059 --> 00:28:36.779
the sea devils.

680
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:38.099
The 2nd one is Dawn French.

681
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:39.599
It's a little portly as well.

682
00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:44.339
I do love with Preston and Turlow in the cell at the other end

683
00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:47.039
where Turlow was refusing to go off and help Tegan.

684
00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:50.039
So he and Preston stick behind for a little while and then they go

685
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.500
into, and every time Turlo tries to lift her into the shaft, she

686
00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:55.799
keeps, but Turlo and carrying on a conversation while he's trying

687
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:56.099
to.

688
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.059
It's a nice bit of comedy that is rarely for the 80s, actually

689
00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:03.720
really well played and really sweet, and Turlow just chucks a

690
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:05.400
complete tantrum. think he's really good.

691
00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:06.660
I think he's really good.

692
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:07.980
I did write in my notes.

693
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.640
It feels like the 3 regulars have been airdropped in from a far

694
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.160
better show. interesting.

695
00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:17.339
So I want to talk Silurians again. we do that?

696
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:18.660
Wibblewobble.

697
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:19.200
Can you do the voice?

698
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:21.720
Excellent Nathan.

699
00:29:21.779 --> 00:29:24.779
So they're terrible.

700
00:29:26.339 --> 00:29:30.720
Partly the production problem that you alluded to, Brendan, is

701
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:31.740
part of the reason.

702
00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:37.019
So the Lurians frequently don't have their head masks tucked into

703
00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:41.519
the back of their costume properly and adjust your dress before

704
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.720
leaving, do listener.

705
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:44.579
And the sea devils.

706
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.579
And this was always a problem in the 70s as well, had kind of

707
00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:50.039
floppy heads that weren't on quite right.

708
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.940
So look, I mean, I think that they sign urine costumes are

709
00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:56.880
probably better designed than the original Silurian costumes, but

710
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:58.440
they don't put them on properly.

711
00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:02.220
And I think the sea devils look terrible and they miss their

712
00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:05.099
little fins and they miss their...

713
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:06.000
They missed their little fins.

714
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:07.079
Yeah, their string vests.

715
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:07.740
Where were they?

716
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.059
feel very sad about that.

717
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:13.200
But I guess I think the worst thing about them is that this is

718
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.380
really the heyday of the Doctor Who Monster book.

719
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:18.119
No one has seen the Silurians.

720
00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:21.299
No one has seen the sea devils, least of all the people writing

721
00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:22.079
the story.

722
00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:24.900
They don't know what's unique or important about them.

723
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.319
They were people who had a claim to the planet.

724
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:31.019
It didn't quite work out in the cellularians because they

725
00:30:31.019 --> 00:30:33.480
basically wanted to poison everyone and stuff, you know, pretty

726
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:33.839
quickly.

727
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:35.640
That's right.

728
00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:39.720
But every piece of continuity that gets mentioned is wrong.

729
00:30:39.779 --> 00:30:41.579
Yes, you know, completely wrong.

730
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.400
Like twice before we offered the hand to friendship.

731
00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:46.319
What, like that time you nicked submarines?

732
00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:50.220
No, no, it was that time when we tried to infect everyone in our

733
00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:51.299
our bones station.

734
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:52.980
Like, that's not what happened.

735
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.039
Why do the Silurians suddenly have battle cruises that Pete

736
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:56.880
recognises?

737
00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:58.799
Why does he know what the mercury is?

738
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.019
And is Ikta Ogdell?

739
00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:05.759
Like, who, like, well, the theory in the discount...

740
00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:08.579
Say this to your parents at Christmas, dear listeners, just find

741
00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:08.819
out.

742
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:09.900
Watch your reaction.

743
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:16.559
One day meant for men will turn to each other and say, easy.

744
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.140
Tell young men out there are dying for it, yeah.

745
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.740
In the discontinuity guy, they raise the fact that when the solar

746
00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:24.420
ins say twice we offer the hand of friendship.

747
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.240
It like, well, you can slightly twist the Silurians to be that

748
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.700
because one of them was saying, yeah, let's make peace.

749
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.339
And no one in the sea devil says that for longer than about 2

750
00:31:32.339 --> 00:31:33.180
minutes.

751
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.240
Because the masters there to kind of be evil all over them.

752
00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:39.059
There's a theory that there's a 3rd story and I think that's where

753
00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:42.000
friend of the podcast, Gary Russell's novel, The Scales of

754
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.539
Injustice, which is a very, very good book.

755
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:51.359
Yeah, so that's kind of how that slots in slightly if you squint.

756
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.880
It is nice that you can drop Trouton into this story and shoot it

757
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.579
on monochrome and it is a 60, everyone would have to react

758
00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:02.160
differently because it'd be Trouton, but it's a 60 story.

759
00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:04.259
I think Pete is the most trout nest.

760
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.180
Very much so. brings it back, doesn't it?

761
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.819
Yeah, it's the panic and the running.

762
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:09.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

763
00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:10.319
And he does the run.

764
00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:13.079
And when I say run, he name drops when I see run.

765
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:15.299
And of course, oh, I need a minor distraction.

766
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.160
I'm going to set a reactor to overload.

767
00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:18.720
And punch a bunch of people.

768
00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:20.279
I think Trouton would have done that.

769
00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:22.559
Kicked me in the face.

770
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.960
Really?

771
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:25.559
Really?

772
00:32:25.619 --> 00:32:29.339
You know, my notes, my audio notes for this story have exactly

773
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:30.599
that.

774
00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:35.039
Actually, it just leads to another wonderful character moment from

775
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.380
Mark Strickson when Turlow's court.

776
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.599
And the thing is, the doctor's not around, so he's not trying to

777
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.599
butter the doctor up, and he has that wonderful line of, if the

778
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.900
doctor had meant the reactor to be disabled, it would be lying in

779
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:46.980
pieces at your feet.

780
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:52.079
It's more of that sort of clunky macho crap that say what is so

781
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:52.920
famous for writing.

782
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.700
I think it works for Turlo because Turlo is still in the stage

783
00:32:56.700 --> 00:32:59.579
where he really admires the doctor, but he'll never tell him so.

784
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:04.259
With such bad dialogue, though. you'll get no cooperation from me

785
00:33:04.259 --> 00:33:06.420
Si, you're in or whatever.

786
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.099
That is the line of...

787
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:08.640
So bad.

788
00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:10.619
Yeah, I'd like to think that's not Johnny Burn.

789
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.619
No, no, I'm sure that's a word. the sort of thing that say would

790
00:33:13.619 --> 00:33:13.920
rise.

791
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.920
He would never have written that for Tara King, would he?

792
00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:18.480
No, that's right.

793
00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:22.740
I think another big problem with the monsters, and I really don't

794
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:23.700
understand why this is.

795
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.299
If you look at the original costumes for the Silurians and the sea

796
00:33:27.299 --> 00:33:32.220
devils, the actors are incredibly mobile for wearing a monster

797
00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:32.579
suit.

798
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:36.059
The sea devils are running around in the original story.

799
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:37.019
And that.

800
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.200
Not in the shooting person, however.

801
00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:41.339
Well, that's the thing.

802
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.740
In this, it seems like they've made the costumes out of far

803
00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:44.700
thicker material.

804
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:48.180
Johnny Byrne sort of envisaged that the Silurians were the

805
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:52.079
officers and the sea devils were the infantry and he imagined them

806
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:57.900
as a commando unit in samurai inspired armour, which is why Solvix

807
00:33:57.900 --> 00:33:58.859
has that silly hat.

808
00:33:58.980 --> 00:34:03.000
But his idea was, you know, they would be able to run.

809
00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:08.460
And suddenly they're practically encased in foam rubber mattresses

810
00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:10.920
or, you know, as it is on this sea base, a door.

811
00:34:12.539 --> 00:34:14.460
No, they're terrible.

812
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:16.199
I mean, they really are just ridiculous.

813
00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:19.920
Gary Gillett has this expression, squabbling rubber, which is

814
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:20.940
whenever...

815
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:22.019
He always has one of eyes.

816
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:22.860
I seen him, you know.

817
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:25.320
Doctor Who aliens talking to one another.

818
00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:28.440
Have you seen have you seen his title on his on his blog that he

819
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.619
had back in 15 years ago that his favourite things were Chitty

820
00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:33.059
Chitty Bang Bang and Group 6?

821
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.000
A lot of things to love about Gary Gillett.

822
00:34:36.059 --> 00:34:37.559
Oh, yes, I see.

823
00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:40.440
Yeah, squabbling rubber is a collection of Gary Gillett's

824
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:42.960
wonderful DVD reviews from Doctor Who magazine.

825
00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:43.679
Oh, okay.

826
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.019
Which were the reason they're pretty much the whole reason I used

827
00:34:46.019 --> 00:34:47.699
to buy Doctor Who magazine.

828
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:47.940
Yeah.

829
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.440
So they just look ridiculous.

830
00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:53.820
Like there are people in ill-fitting, badly applied rubber outfits

831
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:57.239
walking around very slowly to invade this base.

832
00:34:57.300 --> 00:35:00.539
And the Silurians look like they're smiling at everyone.

833
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:02.099
That's the thing.

834
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.219
They've got the Venus from Fireball X or 5 puppet.

835
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.400
You know, they're so peeled out and it's not the 60s anymore.

836
00:35:08.699 --> 00:35:10.380
It's just this.

837
00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:13.440
Well, they've got big dilated eyes.

838
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.199
Yeah, something. very, actually, yes.

839
00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:17.820
There's a lot of Jerry Anderson in this isn't there?

840
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.039
Yeah, and the reveal of them is terrible.

841
00:35:20.099 --> 00:35:22.380
The Solurians and the sea devils are just revealed in a standard

842
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:25.019
mid-shot, you know, there's no sort of...

843
00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:27.059
Robert shoots like he's still in the 50s, yeah.

844
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:27.539
Yeah.

845
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:30.539
The weird thing is, like, a lot of people give Penn Roberts crap

846
00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:32.340
but Face of Evil looked fine.

847
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.500
Some makers looked good.

848
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:35.940
Pirate Planet looked good.

849
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.119
Like Pirate Planet did have the reveal of the captain.

850
00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:42.000
You saw him from behind and then he turned full face into the

851
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.139
camera and that was really effective.

852
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.659
Roberts rises to a better script.

853
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.239
I think I think it might be partially that.

854
00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:51.599
I think also he was a bit frustrated and disillusioned by being

855
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.360
pulled up a week with the pain.

856
00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:55.440
Yeah, he's not a technical guy.

857
00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:57.900
He's an actor's director. old school.

858
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.659
I think he's better on location than he is in the studio as well.

859
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:01.619
That too.

860
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:06.119
And we do have a studio bound story with maybe 3 minutes of pre

861
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:06.300
filmed work.

862
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.400
Oh, and I suppose the water tank stuff.

863
00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:11.639
So maybe 5 minutes of pre-film stuff, whereas most stories get

864
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.739
what, 10, maybe even 15 if you're lucky.

865
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.079
It's not a bad story.

866
00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:19.019
And it has its...

867
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.840
It has its character moments.

868
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:24.480
I really like Maddox, so I really like Karina.

869
00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:25.679
I like bits of Preston.

870
00:36:25.739 --> 00:36:27.300
Her hair mostly.

871
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:28.260
Her hair mostly.

872
00:36:28.260 --> 00:36:33.659
But you've got a very talented guest cast. a very experienced

873
00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:37.199
guest cast and those 3 people I mentioned. aren't super

874
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:37.920
experienced.

875
00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:39.239
They haven't led shows before.

876
00:36:39.300 --> 00:36:43.920
The people who have led shows and led movies, Tom Adams and Ingrid

877
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:46.079
Pitt, are pretty terrible.

878
00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:47.760
Ian McCulloch.

879
00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:51.780
And yeah, well, he's so bloody terribly forgettable, you know.

880
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:57.659
I think they all did their best under duress, but in the end, it

881
00:36:57.659 --> 00:37:00.420
comes up to what that line that Dame Edman used to use a lot.

882
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.079
Poised.

883
00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:01.920
Are they poised?

884
00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:06.599
But there are real flaws in the plot, and we just get fan wank

885
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:10.559
winge, is that why have you got someone who's really unsuited for

886
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.679
the role to be the only person with a plug-in, and the only person

887
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.679
who can also, you've got to plug into him to get the AM radio out

888
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:19.739
and listen to the outside world or indeed communicate.

889
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.679
Why does that have to go through their missile operator?

890
00:37:22.739 --> 00:37:24.599
Why have you only got one missile operator on the base?

891
00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:28.260
Well, I mean, the idea was that the previous missile operator was

892
00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:32.219
sneakily killed by Ingrid Pitt probably before the story opened.

893
00:37:32.699 --> 00:37:36.059
There was no inquiry or was there an inquiry?

894
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:36.420
Yeah.

895
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:40.440
Look, I think the problem with it is that it's a clunky macho

896
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.960
remake of Earthshock, it's...

897
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.840
Camp macho remake, which should mean that we'd love it.

898
00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:48.119
Well, if it had Beryl Reed in it, that would improve it

899
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:48.719
enormously.

900
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:50.340
Yeah, that's true.

901
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.460
But it's nasty and everyone is killed.

902
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.920
Yeah, it's awful.

903
00:37:55.980 --> 00:38:00.360
And, you know, like more aliens with green pus coming out of their

904
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.039
eyes when they die, you know, there's just an unpleasantness to

905
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:05.219
it.

906
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.760
You know, a sea devil shoots someone in the face.

907
00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:12.659
All of those people get electrocuted and lower themselves gently

908
00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:13.260
to the ground.

909
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:19.559
You know, it's unpleasant and it's a place the Doctor Who is now

910
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.119
going to mine.

911
00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:23.519
This is what Doctor Who thinks it's about.

912
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.599
And so gone is sort of whimsical tea time entertainment.

913
00:38:27.659 --> 00:38:31.079
And instead, what you get is really poorly staged and fairly

914
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.480
cheaply realised remakes of aliens.

915
00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:38.940
Yeah, I mean, even if you look back at the story that immediately

916
00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:42.300
springs to mind, like what story is like this in the 70s is horror

917
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:43.079
of Fang Rock.

918
00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:43.739
Yep.

919
00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:46.619
But even if you look back at that, you have that beautiful scene

920
00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:51.900
where Adelaide and Leila discuss honouring traditions, but also

921
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:54.539
honouring and listening to science.

922
00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:59.280
The equivalent of that in this is the aforementioned comedy, and I

923
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.639
suppose comedy padding scene of Turlo and Preston in the cell

924
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:06.000
which is enjoyable when it's a moment of lightness, but it doesn't

925
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:10.739
have the same poignancy of Leila saying there are better ways in

926
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:14.400
science and Adelaide being momentarily changed before she's

927
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:15.059
horribly murdered.

928
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.300
Well, I mean, I think that Horror Fang Rock is like a haunted

929
00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:22.320
house horror film where people are being picked off one by one and

930
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:23.940
it's being terrifying.

931
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:28.440
But what it doesn't have is endless scenes of people firing guns

932
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:29.340
at one another.

933
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.320
And that's not terror.

934
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:35.219
There's just a kind of bleak nastiness to this.

935
00:39:35.219 --> 00:39:41.039
And I think it's entirely Saywood's fault and it's just going to

936
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:44.760
get worse and worse over the rest of the season and next season.

937
00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:45.840
Yeah, it is.

938
00:39:45.900 --> 00:39:48.239
I don't remember Burns scripts on any of the other shows we've

939
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:49.860
mentioned being this bleak.

940
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.219
Yeah, people of Trarkan has hardly any guns in it at all.

941
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.260
Got a hell of a lot of frock, though.

942
00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:00.960
Yeah, I mean, even in stuff for Space 1999, you might have had a

943
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.900
couple of deaths, but you still have your main cast of 8 who are

944
00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:04.980
alive at the end.

945
00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:10.619
And also Space 1999 with deaths there, the characters mourn and

946
00:40:10.619 --> 00:40:11.760
discuss the death. deaths.

947
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:15.420
Here, so many of the deaths are just uncommented on.

948
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:21.059
Like Preston is shot and Tegan reacts for a moment, but then

949
00:40:21.059 --> 00:40:22.380
they've got a job to do, you know.

950
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.139
It actually plays into Tegan's moral dilemma thing.

951
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.199
Doesn't she say let's not let her death be vain?

952
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.860
But it turns out one person does actually survive this story, which

953
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:35.099
is Buick, because he's the one switching on the gas down in the

954
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:35.280
thing.

955
00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:37.260
Oh, that's all right.

956
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.260
Does the doctor, Tegan and Turlo, just bugger off and leave him to

957
00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:43.440
explain why there's all these dead people and lizards hanging

958
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:43.980
about the place?

959
00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:46.139
and turtles?

960
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.219
And can I also just say the sea devils as a combat force have

961
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:51.659
worse name than Stormtroopers?

962
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.380
Like when they're killing Nielsen, he's literally stumbling around

963
00:40:55.380 --> 00:40:59.099
on the spot, he's moving no more than 2 feet laterally and they

964
00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:00.960
still take about 7 shots to kill him.

965
00:41:01.019 --> 00:41:03.059
And again, that's just nastiness.

966
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.420
We blind Nielsen and then watch him get repeatedly shot until he

967
00:41:06.420 --> 00:41:06.900
falls over.

968
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:08.699
Like, why is this painting?

969
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.460
Eric Saywood, why is this happening?

970
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.860
A biography from milk publishing.

971
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.980
Didn't the audience figures reflect that what it went from?

972
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:17.820
I do a todd moment.

973
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.900
It went from 7600000 in the UK to 6.5 for the last episode.

974
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:23.579
It's not really goodness me.

975
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.820
The appreciation index actually didn't fluctuate that much.

976
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.760
It's 65, 64, 62, and 65.

977
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.460
So, um...

978
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:36.300
Mind you, by the end of the season, it will have dropped 5 points

979
00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:37.260
I'll be hovering around 60.

980
00:41:37.739 --> 00:41:40.679
So, circling the drain.

981
00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:44.940
We've done very well to only circumnavigate the Nerka.

982
00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:07.679
Well, we're leaving Buellik behind to explain the deaths of his

983
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:12.360
superiors and inferiors as we are jet off into space to visit

984
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.460
Tegan's grandfather 100 years ago.

985
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.880
Until next week, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety

986
00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:20.159
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987
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:24.000
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988
00:42:24.059 --> 00:42:30.420
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989
00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:34.500
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990
00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:38.579
Again, and we'll be...

991
00:42:38.579 --> 00:42:41.820
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992
00:42:41.820 --> 00:42:44.579
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993
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:48.360
You can find all those on bondfinger.com, bondfinger on Facebook

994
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995
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:50.219
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996
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997
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:57.719
Until next week, may none of your sea monsters leave green paint

998
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.159
on your plastic uniform.

999
00:42:59.219 --> 00:43:00.659
Thank you very much for listening a good night.

1000
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:01.320
Good night.

1001
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:02.039
Good everyone.

1002
00:43:02.820 --> 00:43:06.840
That was Flight for Entirety, starring Nathan Bottomley, Brendan

1003
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Jones, and Richard Stone.

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Theme arrangement by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode is Ikta Ogdell, was recorded on 19th of November

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2016.

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The next episode will be released on the 27th of November.

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If you'd like an exciting new job in ICT with plenty of room for

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advancement and all the hexachroma you can eat, check out the

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listings for sync operators at LinkedIn.co.nzand.

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Warriors of the Deep. 19th November.

1012
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Yes, go ahead, Richard.

1013
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:44.699
Yes.

1014
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:45.900
Yes, it's fine.

1015
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.099
Cool.

1016
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I audible?

1017
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You are audible?

1018
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Yes.

1019
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Yes.

1020
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I'll be home.

1021
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We're on.

1022
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It's been so long, I think.

1023
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No, we've done podcasts.

1024
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We put the television on.

1025
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:13.679
Richard, could you just hold your microphone a bit further up?

1026
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:17.460
Actually, on the shaft, microphone, move your hand up.

1027
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.019
Can that be the out?

1028
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.880
I'm just getting some rubbing on my end.

1029
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:26.340
Oh, yeah.

1030
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What did I say?

1031
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All staying.

1032
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It's like a carry on filming by five-year-olds.

1033
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I'm sure I said that before.

1034
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That's tautology, really.

1035
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Eat more cake.

1036
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Right.