WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 16:48:11 1 00:00:30.899 --> 00:00:40.140 Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety, the only Doctor Who podcast made more or less for the exclusive use of the people of Harcole. 2 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:42.659 That's in the star system rifter, you know, I'm Brendan. 3 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:43.259 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:52.619 A saleable slice of English period effect charm vomiting green wallpaper paste from a paper mache rock face in a church crypt for this one. 5 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.079 As usual, as usual. 6 00:00:55.140 --> 00:00:58.320 And uh, that means it's... all you need to know. the next story? 7 00:00:58.859 --> 00:01:02.399 This year's 2 part story The Awakening. 8 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:14.879 This one's mine. 9 00:01:14.939 --> 00:01:16.379 Hurrah. 10 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:17.159 Do you like it? 11 00:01:17.219 --> 00:01:17.760 Not at all. 12 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:24.060 At the time, I thought, oh, lovely, shiny, Dennis still, Pretty Fox, this is the 80s. 13 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:27.299 This is totes 80s kids, and we didn't even say that then. 14 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:28.620 What did we say in the 80s? 15 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:29.579 Pretty much that. 16 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:30.780 Yeah, whatever it was. 17 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:32.219 You still deal with young people? 18 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:34.859 outrageous, truly, truly, truly outrageous. 19 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:36.299 Is that what we said in the 80s? 20 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:37.500 That's what Gem and the hologram said. 21 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:46.620 I prefer the updated person that is also available on streaming that I don't think I can even mention on this podcast. 22 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:53.400 In fact, I recommend you watch that before you watch the Awakening to get real flavour, what the 80s was all about, B. Arthur and cross-dressing. 23 00:01:53.459 --> 00:01:54.780 There's a lot of both of that kind of thing. 24 00:01:54.840 --> 00:02:02.459 I actually think that the face of the malice is very much a storgeti in the Golden Girls with the gray hair and the stony. 25 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.340 Although looking a lot like Betty Whiter, she is now. 26 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:12.300 Well, the guard who's defending Tegan, who is Joseph Willow, when she won't change into the dress. 27 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.539 He says, he says, you change into it. 28 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:16.500 I'll do it for you. 29 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:26.280 Now, there's 2 ways to read that either he's being a bit rapey or he actually just wants to frock up and get out of these tights. 30 00:02:26.340 --> 00:02:28.080 Yeah, no, no, he wants her to look fabulous. 31 00:02:28.139 --> 00:02:38.340 Yeah, the malice is actually more about pageantry and morris stick self-throttling than it is wanting to take over. 32 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:42.000 But when it wants to take over, It wants to do it in with period drama. 33 00:02:42.060 --> 00:02:44.159 It's the very 80s villain. 34 00:02:44.219 --> 00:02:46.860 It really is mostly about overseas sales, this monster. 35 00:02:46.979 --> 00:02:50.400 I actually think that it's doing a sort of sapphire and steel thing. 36 00:02:50.460 --> 00:02:54.360 You know, the issue is that there are anachronisms caused by the war. 37 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:55.560 Very sapphire and steel. 38 00:02:55.560 --> 00:03:09.539 And in that the past is always buried just under the present in some sort of alchemic relationship and with only the writing incantations or the right thinking or reenactment process, you can bring the past and ghosts into the present. 39 00:03:09.659 --> 00:03:18.419 And I also think that like Sapphire and Steel, a lot of the special effects are just achieved with lighting and sound and, you know, a weed machine. 40 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:27.659 And barely paid actors and barely paid actors and maybe a couple of asterisks on the BBC microscreens superimposed. 41 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:37.500 Can I just say, when I was, when I was 10, those asterisks looked amazing. they looked amazing at least once to someone. 42 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.979 You know, as a kid, it was really effective. 43 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:52.020 And those simple lighting effects, especially in the 2nd episode with all the apparitions that appear in the church and so they're in sort of very pale blue costumes with very pale blue makeup and under a single spotlight. 44 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.419 It's really white scary. 45 00:03:54.479 --> 00:04:00.000 We should point out to the listener at this point that Brendan exists outside of normal space and time. 46 00:04:00.060 --> 00:04:00.599 Yeah, that's true. 47 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.300 His own B universe. in that I quite enjoy this. 48 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:08.939 Well, you were 10 when you 1st saw this when I was 14 when I saw it go out for the 1st time. 49 00:04:09.060 --> 00:04:18.000 Oh yes, of course, because I, this is another one that I saw in the 1993 repeats season. and Nathan, you saw it when it 1st came out as well. at the same time as you. 50 00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:21.300 But I'd be surprised if I'd seen it very often since then. 51 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:25.680 Maybe when I bought the DVD, I watched it again, but Did you read the book? 52 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:27.000 It's Eric Pringle, isn't it? 53 00:04:27.060 --> 00:04:27.300 No. 54 00:04:27.300 --> 00:04:29.639 It is, I really know, you know, the chips. 55 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:30.420 Yes, I know. 56 00:04:30.420 --> 00:04:32.879 He made a four. why he stopped writing, man. 57 00:04:32.939 --> 00:04:37.439 And now he's changed the size of the tin and you can't fit your hand in there and it's just ridiculous. 58 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:39.120 And I have tiny hands. 59 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:41.339 I know where this is going. 60 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:44.519 They're orange. 61 00:04:44.579 --> 00:04:46.680 So not Brenda, just the chips. 62 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:51.060 So this started life as a four-part outline. 63 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:51.720 Yeah. 64 00:04:51.779 --> 00:04:55.740 Which, for once, Eric Seywood said, there's not enough plot. 65 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:56.339 Make it 2 parts. 66 00:04:56.399 --> 00:05:00.060 It could have been quite charming as a three-parter because it has some nice exposition. 67 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:01.019 Polly James. 68 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:05.100 Paul James is one of the original liver birds with, go on, you get to say it. 69 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:07.620 That's it with nearest Hughes. 70 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:09.240 What fun, what thrill. 71 00:05:09.300 --> 00:05:13.199 And Molly Sugden played the mother. of one of them back in the day. 72 00:05:13.259 --> 00:05:15.060 I remember this from watching it as a child. 73 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:19.500 Why do we not have Molly Sergton opposite Peter Davis? 74 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:20.639 Brad, wasn't she in this? 75 00:05:20.699 --> 00:05:21.540 We've had Beryl. 76 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:23.399 And we've had Ingrid. 77 00:05:23.459 --> 00:05:25.560 I really think she could have played a lovely malice. 78 00:05:25.620 --> 00:05:26.220 She's got the hair. 79 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.800 We'll have Joan in a couple of years, for God's sake. 80 00:05:28.860 --> 00:05:30.000 Why not more Lisa? 81 00:05:30.060 --> 00:05:33.180 She actually does drama really nicely, like all comedians do. 82 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:38.939 So, yeah, it could have worked well and she was smart and she would have actually known what was going on and like everyone else we've previously mentioned. 83 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.180 Well, Jane does a terrific job, I think. 84 00:05:42.180 --> 00:05:43.319 Polly James. 85 00:05:43.379 --> 00:05:44.220 Yeah, yeah, she's good. 86 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:44.939 No, she's lovely. 87 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:50.819 This is another one of those stories when the doctor just seems to be so thrilled from getting to be able to get away from his own. 88 00:05:51.180 --> 00:05:55.079 Do you also notice since we're talking about the church cryptan? 89 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:56.639 This is Barry Newberry's last work. 90 00:05:56.699 --> 00:05:57.959 The Doctor Who. 91 00:05:58.019 --> 00:06:00.660 Beautiful work on Marco Polo and the early days. 92 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:01.560 Yeah, this is his last one. 93 00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:03.300 Newby's did a lot, did a lovely job on this. 94 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:04.500 And I think it makes it very convincing. 95 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:11.160 I think what's very sad, again, for the BBC is overreaching itself, and it always was about going further than you can. 96 00:06:11.459 --> 00:06:19.319 The expectation wise, but the physical effects of the malice coming out of the, you know, the wall, the whole thing. 97 00:06:19.379 --> 00:06:22.500 It just doesn't, and everyone's standing around waiting for a reaction. 98 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:28.560 It's the same thing as sea devils waddling around with a natural strap to their fronts. 99 00:06:28.620 --> 00:06:30.899 It's not quite as menacing as you'd imagine that to be. 100 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.019 It's very funny that the monster is just part of the set. 101 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:45.600 Maybe do you think that's an ontological thing about how Doctor Who is just so trapped in a television studio and it's actually, we're being destroyed, cancerous like from the from within, by the set? 102 00:06:45.660 --> 00:06:48.600 Yeah, by the actual structure of the program itself. 103 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:56.399 Can we mention people that, again, the doctor is very happy for the 1st time ever, that I can remember the doctor says, no, no, it's, I won't go up. 104 00:06:56.459 --> 00:06:59.220 We won't leave the TARDS, boys and girls, it's much too dangerous. 105 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:00.420 You stay in here where it's safe. 106 00:07:00.540 --> 00:07:09.360 Then the monster actually, Sutek wise, like my cat projects right into the console room and starts, you know, and threatens them with green wallpaper paste. 107 00:07:09.420 --> 00:07:13.199 He knew that was going to happen and he's really tired of both of them. 108 00:07:13.860 --> 00:07:18.839 And I only noticed this this time around with that malice apparition. 109 00:07:18.899 --> 00:07:22.560 They key it, so it's the same colour as the Tartar Walls. 110 00:07:22.620 --> 00:07:24.480 It's like it's growing out of the walls. 111 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:25.680 Oh, I never got that. 112 00:07:25.740 --> 00:07:27.000 Yes, it is going out of the wall. 113 00:07:27.060 --> 00:07:29.579 In the same way that it grows from the stone of the creek. 114 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:30.540 Yeah, yeah, very clever. 115 00:07:30.540 --> 00:07:31.980 It looks it looks really good. 116 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:33.660 And that didn't come across on the screen. 117 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:40.800 Yeah, and we've got, um, we've got 2 minutes because that's really all the time any of us could be bothered. 118 00:07:40.860 --> 00:07:42.779 I was just going to say with that one, I love that. 119 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:49.800 I was just going to say that this seems like one of those grooming episodes, cough, cough, doctor, where you seem to be looking for new people to travel with. 120 00:07:49.860 --> 00:07:54.360 If Will Chandler, and Jane, Polly James, had joined the TARDIS. 121 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:55.800 I dont think I would have shed any tears. 122 00:07:55.860 --> 00:07:57.959 Wouldn't that have been awesomeness? 123 00:07:58.019 --> 00:08:00.839 And especially her with Peter. 124 00:08:00.899 --> 00:08:02.399 They're lovely. 125 00:08:02.459 --> 00:08:05.279 They've got the same quality he had with Neris. 126 00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:11.819 And there's that wonderful bit where he sort of explains what's happening to her. 127 00:08:11.819 --> 00:08:14.519 And as he's about to walk out, she grabs his almonds. 128 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:18.000 You must stop him Yes, I know. 129 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:21.720 And we'll almost... 130 00:08:21.779 --> 00:08:22.379 Actually, what happens? 131 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:23.279 They take Will home. 132 00:08:23.339 --> 00:08:25.079 You really think at the end of this? 133 00:08:25.139 --> 00:08:26.399 Oh, okay, he's in the next story. 134 00:08:26.459 --> 00:08:27.600 Nah, not even a minute. 135 00:08:27.660 --> 00:08:37.980 There's been a there's been a short trips story with Will, which, yeah, sort of Tegan and Turlo stay behind with Tegan's grandad and the doctor and Will have an adventure. 136 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:43.500 You think that's the, that's the short story where Andrew Verney says to his granddaughter. 137 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:45.360 So, your aunt Vanessa, how's she going? 138 00:08:45.419 --> 00:08:48.840 And also the last time, who's the other relative? 139 00:08:48.899 --> 00:08:51.000 Yeah, and Colin. how's he doing now? 140 00:08:51.179 --> 00:08:55.200 Yeah, I think I think it's you, Tegan. 141 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.179 I think I don't think it's us. think it's you. 142 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:02.340 I'd like to think the Tartars chose her and that there was a whole way before Clara. 143 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:11.460 There was a whole, there was a whole string of probable victims that the Tartars are saved by removing Tegan from her. 144 00:09:14.580 --> 00:09:15.240 Janet. 145 00:09:15.899 --> 00:09:17.639 Oh, dear. 146 00:09:17.700 --> 00:09:19.440 I was thinking about that myself. 147 00:09:19.500 --> 00:09:22.980 I like to think that his grandfather must be from the other side of the fanboy. 148 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:25.320 Yeah, so maternal grandfather, isn't it? 149 00:09:25.379 --> 00:09:25.559 Yes. 150 00:09:25.620 --> 00:09:26.580 Yeah I think so. 151 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:28.080 Well, we presume to. 152 00:09:28.139 --> 00:09:29.700 Yeah, because, wouldn't he? 153 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:30.539 Yeah. 154 00:09:30.539 --> 00:09:45.000 Auntie Vanessa is implied to be a paternal aunt because she says, like, your father's farm was hardly the outback, and it sounds like, you know, she's talking about her brother rather than her brother. dresses like a babushka doll, so... 155 00:09:45.899 --> 00:09:49.620 So I think that's all we've got to say about the awakening. 156 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.080 I like this story, Dan. 157 00:09:52.139 --> 00:09:52.919 Go on, why? 158 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:57.419 It has a real filming approach to the outdoor stuff. 159 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.759 It looks like an adamant video, doesn't it? 160 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:00.600 Yeah, yeah. 161 00:10:00.659 --> 00:10:13.080 And, you know, the 1st scene is Jane peacefully wandering around these stables and then horses hoops, horses, hoops, horses hoops, peacefully wandering, horses hoops, and you think something terrible is going to happen, and then it's all this war game, and Glyn Houston shows up again. 162 00:10:13.139 --> 00:10:15.840 You know, we haven't had him in years. 163 00:10:16.379 --> 00:10:17.159 Yeah, exactly. 164 00:10:17.820 --> 00:10:25.259 We have a cliffhanger, which is, you know, it's a stupid someone screams doctor long enough for the theme to kick in. 165 00:10:25.259 --> 00:10:27.360 It's like a brave screen. 166 00:10:27.899 --> 00:10:29.279 She's really good. 167 00:10:29.340 --> 00:10:35.700 And, you know, unlike some other companion screams, it doesn't just sound like I'm screaming for a cliffhanger. 168 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:40.440 It's, it's like, you're disappearing in a cloud of smoke to a giant alien mouth. 169 00:10:40.500 --> 00:10:41.759 I'm a bit scared by this. 170 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:44.519 Even though if you step 3 feet back, you're fine. 171 00:10:44.580 --> 00:10:46.320 What's it gonna do? 172 00:10:46.379 --> 00:10:47.700 All you need to do. 173 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:48.840 Oh, you haven't seen that tongue? 174 00:10:48.899 --> 00:10:50.220 Just put your hand in front of your face. 175 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:56.340 Yeah, it's a bit like what Dr. Solo should have done last week instead of trying to karate chop the murker. 176 00:10:56.460 --> 00:10:59.399 A brisket will get you away. 177 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:03.899 All of them, actually. 178 00:11:03.899 --> 00:11:09.179 The entire base was, you could have avoided the invaders just by, you know, yeah. 179 00:11:10.259 --> 00:11:15.299 I think they like to think that malice tongue could wrap around that church 3 times over and still leave room for a tickling stick. 180 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:16.919 So, yeah, you weren't that safe. 181 00:11:16.980 --> 00:11:29.159 I, you know, you said, Richard, that this story is about presenting us with 2 far more interesting, Patty characters, and the doctor then literally sends Tegan and Turlow back into a cupboard so he can take Will around a graveyard. 182 00:11:30.059 --> 00:11:32.399 With Chameleon in this story. 183 00:11:32.580 --> 00:11:34.379 Who's Chameleon? 184 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.980 I reckon Chameleon is Joseph Willow, the... 185 00:11:37.980 --> 00:11:39.240 Is that plague face guy? 186 00:11:39.299 --> 00:11:43.500 No, he's he's the camp guy who threatens her. 187 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:44.399 Oh, so George's boyfriend. 188 00:11:44.460 --> 00:11:45.539 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 189 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:51.240 And the funny thing is I was watching this going, you know, Sir George is being twisted by the malice and whatnot. 190 00:11:51.299 --> 00:11:54.419 And it's like, but Willow, Willow, Willow's just a dick. 191 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:55.980 Yeah, yeah, but we forgive him. 192 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:57.899 Yeah, yeah. 193 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.059 Within a relationship, or do you mean? 194 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:04.139 But yeah, yes, at the end, no recriminations. 195 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:07.919 He was arranging to burn Tegan at... 196 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.799 You know we all have bad days. 197 00:12:10.860 --> 00:12:13.620 You know, I... 198 00:12:13.740 --> 00:12:15.480 I think he must run the post office or something. 199 00:12:15.899 --> 00:12:18.779 Because they're often very short-tempered people. 200 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:20.759 No, he's got something on everyone. 201 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.059 He's been reading Sir George's mail. 202 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:26.879 He runs the telephone exchange as well. 203 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:35.340 This is one of the few Doctor Who's that could very easily have been directed by Mel Brooks without any sensible dramatic change. 204 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:42.120 I actually think you could drop this as a single episode story in the new series. and it would feel completely in place. 205 00:12:42.179 --> 00:12:43.679 It's not, you know, it's not blink. 206 00:12:43.740 --> 00:12:46.320 It's more Lazarus experiment, but... 207 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:46.980 Lazarus. 208 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:50.580 Oh, so do I. You know, it, you know, the science in it is bobbins. 209 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:51.539 This is a bit bot. 210 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:52.200 It is Doctor Who. 211 00:12:52.259 --> 00:12:52.799 Yeah, that's true. 212 00:12:52.860 --> 00:13:00.360 I will say, though, I did have another chameleon thought, which is when Turlo 1st sees Will and just goes, who is that? 213 00:13:00.419 --> 00:13:03.000 So you think that's... 214 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:04.259 Will could be Chameleon. 215 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:04.740 Why not? 216 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.700 Apparently Chameleon was going to get out and wander around the place. 217 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:10.559 Well, they filmed a scene. 218 00:13:10.620 --> 00:13:13.139 They committed another corridor moment. 219 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:14.759 Yeah, pretty much... 220 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:16.259 Mark Strickson to do the voice or something. 221 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.200 Yeah, well, it was recorded and Chameleon's accent. 222 00:13:19.259 --> 00:13:19.620 Yeah. 223 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:26.700 Chameleons accessing the computer terminal. in the TARDIS and Tegan says, are you sure you should be doing that? 224 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:28.559 And he responds in the doctor's voice. 225 00:13:28.620 --> 00:13:30.720 And she says, don't do that. 226 00:13:30.779 --> 00:13:32.940 And oh, would you prefer this? 227 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:34.980 He responds in Turlo's voice, that's even worse. 228 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:36.299 Oh, God. 229 00:13:36.299 --> 00:13:38.399 And it's, it's the scene. 230 00:13:38.460 --> 00:13:41.580 It's the scene just before Tegan comes into the console room and what's wrong? 231 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:43.620 you know, et cetera, et cetera. 232 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:47.519 Because Chameleon says to her, oh, there's something weird happening with the TARDIS. 233 00:13:47.580 --> 00:13:48.600 You should go to the console room. 234 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:50.340 You know, bug her off. 235 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:56.519 So it was it was really just a fluffy scene to say, yeah, yeah, we know we still got the robot. 236 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.840 Turlo's solution with everything is to bash someone with a rock, have you noticed? 237 00:14:00.899 --> 00:14:02.639 Who does he bash with a rock? 238 00:14:02.700 --> 00:14:08.039 He bashes he bashes the people trying to get into the Tartars after he escapes with Andrew Verney. 239 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:11.580 They come back to the Tartarson Willow and a bloke is trying to get his. 240 00:14:11.580 --> 00:14:19.679 So Turlo, Turlo whacks him on the head with a rock, just like he tried to kill the doctor in modern undead. first. 241 00:14:20.460 --> 00:14:22.740 There are certainly problems. 242 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:27.600 There's a problem which started a bit in season 18 and it's absolutely ridiculous this season. 243 00:14:27.659 --> 00:14:33.480 Caves of Andrazani is the only story where other people don't go into the Tartars. 244 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.399 Yeah, I hate that. 245 00:14:35.460 --> 00:14:37.320 I'm sick of that And he's constantly going. 246 00:14:37.379 --> 00:14:41.820 I mean, next week he'll be going, quick, you know, come into the Tartars. 247 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:46.860 It's like, yeah, you know, it's that thing where he uses it to prove his innocence. 248 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:48.480 Like in Black Or... 249 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:49.019 Oh, God. 250 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.480 I mean, that's that's that's terrible. 251 00:14:51.899 --> 00:14:57.899 But, you know, last week it was kind of understandable and Preston did actually have an actor's reaction. 252 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.659 This week, Jane has a bit of a reaction. 253 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:02.460 Wolsey has a bit of a reaction. 254 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:04.080 Tegan's grandad just goes, oh, okay. 255 00:15:04.139 --> 00:15:05.639 There's about 20 people in there. 256 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:14.580 Yeah, final scene, all just standing around in front of the camera. all on one side of the console so that we can get them all in shot. 257 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:15.899 It's really bad. 258 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.899 They're boring and it's like 5 minutes from the end. 259 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.200 I will say one other thing I would change about this story. 260 00:15:22.259 --> 00:15:30.179 You've got that bit where Willow and his mate have been knocked out and his mate wakes up and goes upstairs and gets decapitated by the Malice's last projection. 261 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:31.019 It should have been Willow. 262 00:15:31.139 --> 00:15:31.919 Yeah. 263 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:34.080 Because, you know... 264 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.360 He'd just been nasty and unpleasant. 265 00:15:36.419 --> 00:15:37.980 He's not under any mental influence. 266 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.200 It really should have been him instead of some nameless guard. 267 00:15:40.259 --> 00:15:41.340 Yeah. 268 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:42.059 You know? 269 00:15:42.659 --> 00:15:45.960 So remind me how he defeats the Malas. 270 00:15:46.019 --> 00:15:50.399 I have a feeling that the doctor sits in the TARNIS and presses a whole bunch of buttons. 271 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.440 Yeah, he texts the text and explodes. 272 00:15:52.500 --> 00:15:54.779 Yeah, he he, he, he texts the tech. 273 00:15:54.840 --> 00:16:04.080 I believe the explanation is that he cuts off the conduit for the malice to receive emotion and because the malice feeds on emotion that killed it. 274 00:16:04.139 --> 00:16:08.100 But it was essentially pressing a lot of buttons and then telling us something had happened. 275 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:09.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 276 00:16:09.299 --> 00:16:14.639 At least Joe got up in front of his arm and said, no, sacrificed me. 277 00:16:14.700 --> 00:16:16.440 Thou shalt not pass. 278 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:21.779 You know, that was stupid, but it was at least someone doing something. 279 00:16:21.899 --> 00:16:24.240 So stupid that it was the turning point of the entire plot. 280 00:16:24.299 --> 00:16:28.620 And then Azal has like a mental feedback loop and goes, oh, we blow. 281 00:16:29.100 --> 00:16:35.759 Whereas here, the mala switch doesn't have a character, all it actually does is vomit and sort of breathe. 282 00:16:35.820 --> 00:16:38.639 It's really just your basic 15 year old fan. 283 00:16:38.700 --> 00:16:42.419 Yeah, goes... 284 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:43.559 More fat. 285 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.080 So it actually is on a matapeic for Chundering, isn't it? 286 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.139 According to certain fans. 287 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:54.120 Yeah. 288 00:16:54.179 --> 00:16:56.940 So, well, that's really all we've got to say about the awakening today. 289 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:04.740 It's Michael Owen Morris's 1st gig directing Doctor Who, he boars a PA on Pirate Planet, which is not as rude as it sounds. 290 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:10.019 Is this the point to mention that Pirate Planet is now out as a pre-ordering thing? 291 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:11.460 one is excited about that. 292 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.099 Well, he did a terrific job of City of Death, I thought. 293 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.079 He did a lovely job, E. Jobby. 294 00:17:16.140 --> 00:17:17.160 Lovely jobies. on that. 295 00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:23.400 This story was also called Poltergeist. and wargain before I remember being called. 296 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:29.940 So I think that we kind of know what it was reaching for. and where maybe it didn't get. 297 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:44.579 Do you think they were looking at what successes we've had again, we're talking about Doctor Who, really looking at what it, what it is this year and what it has been and being, I think, just a little bit too post-modern, self-referential, saying we had success with the visitation. 298 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:49.440 Let's do that. and let's also do a bit of what, I mean, poltergeist and war game. 299 00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:52.980 They're really name checking what's been successful in the movies. 300 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:54.420 Yeah, yeah, at the time. 301 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:58.680 I mean, war game would have been vetoed by, did Ian Levine have anything to do with things now? 302 00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:02.819 Yes, yes, he did. war game given that there was the war games earlier on. 303 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:04.500 Yeah, he would have just had hissy fit. 304 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:16.140 I think the greatest tontological threat in this is actually the presence of Tegan Chevanka, she obviously brings destruction, ruin, carnage and leaves ashes where she dreads in those stupid shoes. 305 00:18:16.380 --> 00:18:20.220 She's wearing the same thing from last week, so she hasn't changed. 306 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:21.900 She's been through a giant mask. 307 00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:22.859 Maki cow. 308 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:24.539 I do, at least she changes her frocks. 309 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:27.660 I wonder if Turlo actually ever changes his knickers or indeed even wears any. 310 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:31.740 Tegan does add a handbag. for this story. 311 00:18:31.859 --> 00:18:36.539 In fact, it gets naked. entire... 312 00:18:36.539 --> 00:18:38.220 Handbag. 313 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:40.619 How the handbag got nicked is immaterial. 314 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:45.839 Yeah, it's added simply so it can get nicked and so the doctor knows that the plague face victim. 315 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.200 Yes, is really into lady's accessories. 316 00:18:49.259 --> 00:18:51.059 I've never seen. 317 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:52.319 Second floor Grace Brothers. 318 00:18:52.380 --> 00:18:53.099 Are you being served? 319 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:55.619 I've never seen Tegan with a handbag before. 320 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:58.319 Oh, yes, yes, you have, as a stewardess. 321 00:18:58.380 --> 00:19:04.380 She had her... that's true. carry-on, but that's just the mace and the cattle prod and the knockout, you know. 322 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:05.759 But this isn't the same handbag. 323 00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:09.599 This is one of the doctor's handbags that she's borrowed from inside the TARDIS. 324 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:16.079 Yeah, it is actually interesting that, you know, since the doctor... it could have been one of Susan's handbags. as well, you know. 325 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:19.380 It's this little round, red number. 326 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.599 But it's probably dimensionally transcendental. 327 00:19:21.660 --> 00:19:23.819 No, it was Pur to his handbag, for sure. 328 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:27.059 We had it in the time monster. 329 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.720 She gives herself a fair whack in the face with it at one point as well. 330 00:19:30.779 --> 00:19:34.680 Like, she sort of face palms of bitch you can't forget she's carrying a handbag. 331 00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:41.400 It's a strange Well, the thing is, it's entirely done so the guy can reach it to frame it. 332 00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:47.519 Are we playing the game of which at which point does Janet and or Mark decide they're they're also leaving? 333 00:19:47.579 --> 00:19:49.500 I don't think they're any stories? 334 00:19:49.559 --> 00:20:04.259 Well, it was it was actually all planned out from the beginning of the season. like during during the development of Warriors are the deepest when Colin and Nicola were signed on and I believe that Peter, Janet, and Mark's contracts. 335 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:09.240 I think Peter's contract actually ended with the end of the season. 336 00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:15.059 I think Janet and Mark's contracts actually ended with Planet of Fire, but it was agreed they'd go earlier but still get paid. 337 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:16.140 Uh-huh. 338 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:18.000 So Janet was paid for Planet of Fire. 339 00:20:18.059 --> 00:20:19.079 Yeah, she didn't turn off. 340 00:20:19.140 --> 00:20:23.880 But that's why she then came into do a cameo for And Rosani. 341 00:20:23.940 --> 00:20:27.000 That was how the contract was honoured. 342 00:20:29.579 --> 00:20:33.839 But yeah, and I really haven't watched that since the 80s, so... 343 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:39.720 But it was also decided to stagger the departures so each of the 3 got something with emotional resonance. 344 00:20:39.779 --> 00:20:45.960 And, you know, I think I think that is the 3 departures are one of the more successful parts of the season. 345 00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:47.220 Yeah, no, they do. 346 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.839 They finally get that stuff right. 347 00:20:49.619 --> 00:20:51.119 I actually quite like this season. 348 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:52.500 Are we jumping ahead, yeah. 349 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:55.200 Yeah, well, there's nothing to say about this stupid story. 350 00:20:55.259 --> 00:20:56.940 Well, a lovely horse. 351 00:20:57.059 --> 00:21:03.119 With a death wish for others because it cracked the ribs of, what, not Glynn or Dennis? 352 00:21:03.420 --> 00:21:05.460 It, you know, it did a horrible thing too. 353 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:11.220 I think they should have just covered that in green paint and had it as a murderer. 354 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:13.079 Because in the studio. 355 00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:14.519 It's the Litchgate scene. 356 00:21:14.579 --> 00:21:15.240 Yeah, yeah. 357 00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:16.019 That famous scene. 358 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:17.700 So if you haven't seen it, dear listener. 359 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.980 It's on the TVD extras, yeah. 360 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:21.660 They still show it. 361 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:22.259 Yeah. 362 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:25.380 Yeah, they, it was a male horse riding up. 363 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:30.299 They put a mare on the other side of the gate so it would ride up to the gate and the shot. 364 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.539 It's like the last episode of the 1st season of Kath and Kim. 365 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:36.059 The shot. 366 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:42.299 The shot in the episode is actually the shot from the blooper just cut before the horse stops at the gate for a moment. 367 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:47.519 Everyone jumps down and starts going through the gate and then the horse continues through the gate and demolishes it. 368 00:21:47.579 --> 00:21:50.819 Thankfully, I believe the gate was a set piece set up by the BBC. 369 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:52.799 It wasn't real. 370 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.940 So it doesn't matter in a way that it was destroyed. 371 00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:58.140 That already filmed everything with it. 372 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:07.740 But yeah, that's a famous Doctor Who blooper, along with Sylvester McCoy not being able to get a single line out in that scene of Delta and the Bannerman, which is again on the DVD. 373 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:09.180 Look forward to that one. 374 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:13.559 So, and that one with Bonnie Langford swearing her head off. 375 00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:17.279 Oh, that's, that still makes my eardrums peel to this day. 376 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:18.059 That's really shocking. 377 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:20.160 That was just when she sees my cosplay. 378 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:24.900 So, okay, you guys have asked me why I like the story. 379 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:25.859 Why don't you like it? 380 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:28.140 What story are we talking about again? 381 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:28.980 The Awakening. 382 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:29.460 Okay. 383 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:30.779 Um... 384 00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:34.859 That's too, personally, it's too much of a pastiche of everything else with nothing fresh. 385 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:38.519 I do like the supporting actors and I think there's there's a great do. 386 00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:52.619 It looks lovely, and there's a lot of good performance work in this, and people are obviously enjoying themselves, let down by the effects let down by, I think, just think the oversimplicity of a pretty hackneyed plot and script that doesn't really do anything. 387 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:54.839 It's really just really forgettable. 388 00:22:54.900 --> 00:23:00.000 You know, there's really like, there's nothing particularly memorable about it. 389 00:23:00.059 --> 00:23:02.640 The marlis isn't that well realised. 390 00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:06.240 The plot is really, really badly resolved. 391 00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:12.420 As I said before, you know, pressing the kill the mala switch on the TARDIS console is how we resolve it. 392 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:16.259 And it doesn't really have any memorable visuals. 393 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:20.880 It does mention a pteraleptyl, but it doesn't have a pteraleptyl in it. 394 00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:25.920 You know, I just, it doesn't, so that always gets a minus score from you, doesn't it? 395 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:31.319 Yeah, except for the actual visitation, which gets a massive minor scores for having terror left. 396 00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:36.420 Yeah, no, I just think there's really just nothing much going on here. 397 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:43.259 And I'm almost certain that watching it for the podcast was the 1st time I've watched it since buying the DVD. 398 00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:51.420 In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I got home and discovered that the DVD was still shrink wrapped because I was watching a electronic version. 399 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:53.519 I may never have opened the DVD. 400 00:23:53.579 --> 00:23:56.579 Well, have you opened the Gunfighters DVD? 401 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.640 Yeah, then you would have opened this one because it came in a box. 402 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.160 Set with the gunfighters for no readily. 403 00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:04.920 Yeah, it's like 2 stories that no one very much cares about. 404 00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:07.140 That's actually how it was described. 405 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:17.460 Yeah, the box set was called Earth story. story. what's that Because much like Peladin Tales, these are the only 2 Doctor Who stories set on Earth. 406 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:19.200 Okay. 407 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:22.859 No, well, that makes sense. literally. 408 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:31.259 Nothing they have in common beyond that. call it floor sweepings except the gunfighters is really good. 409 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:33.900 It really is. 410 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:39.599 Yeah, they might as well have paired the gunfighters up with enlightenment because it got Linda Baron in it. 411 00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:41.519 Linda Baron's story. 412 00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:43.079 That would be a thing. 413 00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:44.759 Actually, I do. 414 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:45.900 So we'll be getting her for a convention. 415 00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:54.599 Actually, a lot of the stories this year have either been released or re-released in box sets. like Warriors of the Deep was in the beneath the surface set. 416 00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:56.700 This was in Earth story. 417 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:02.940 Resurrection of the Daleks and Caves of Andrazani were both re-released in revisitations packs. 418 00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:06.240 And Planet of Fire was released in the Chameleon Tales box. 419 00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:12.960 So the only story is to get individual releases this season with full-blown special features and everything. 420 00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:15.119 Um, Frontios. 421 00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:17.579 And twin dilemma. 422 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:22.440 Resurrection and Caves did have individual releases, but they were early on not as many special features, et cetera. 423 00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:26.339 That's true. got the early on version. stamped by Janet herself. 424 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:31.740 This is riveting this stuff about DVD. much more exciting than much on the show, isn't it? 425 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:37.740 This is the kind of proper hardcore trivia that the FDA audience come to us for. 426 00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:41.160 Well, I kind of wanted this to be in a box set. 427 00:25:41.220 --> 00:25:46.920 Like when beneath the surface came out and it was the 1st box set of non-contiguous stories. 428 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.880 People were suggesting, well, hold on. 429 00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:57.720 Why not put Black Orchid, Kings, Demons, and the Awakening in a box set and have like 3 Davis... 430 00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.880 Terrible historical adventures. 431 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:07.200 This is our last 2 parter of the Davidson era, and we've had 2 in the lead up to it. 432 00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:10.319 I'm not counting Resurrection of the Dots as a two-party. 433 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.579 Yeah, yeah, that kind of is. 434 00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:15.480 And none of them have been particularly successful, have they? 435 00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:25.019 I think, I think this is the most successful, but even, even I agree, the ending of this is rushed and it's rushed down, just down to push the buttons, Max. 436 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:27.900 We've had that often before though, haven't we? 437 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.380 King's Demons has probably the most desultory ending of any story. 438 00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:33.359 Yeah, I said it. 439 00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:37.859 I said at the time, King's Demon's ending feels like a part 2 cliffhanger. 440 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.539 We should have part three. 441 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:50.819 I agree that this could have actually been just expanded a little bit and made into a three-parter because we get that bit where Will Crash tackles Dennis Lil into the malice anyway. 442 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.839 And it's like, well, why couldn't that have just been the thing that killed the malice? 443 00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:56.339 You know, its focus is gone. 444 00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:00.900 And really, if you're pushing its focus into itself. 445 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:08.039 That, you know, you can easily say, well, that creates a feedback because now he's terrified, but he's terrified within the terror and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 446 00:27:08.099 --> 00:27:13.200 And yeah, it's still a bit of word peril, but it's not just the doctor going, oh, flicker switch. it's dying now. 447 00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:15.180 No, it's an action, though. do you know what I mean? 448 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.319 It is a quiet word peril. 449 00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:22.140 You'd have to kind of sell it, but at least someone's performing a positive action that means something. 450 00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:23.039 Yeah. 451 00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:37.319 And I will also say in this story, the death that occurs and the violence that occurs is actually commented upon, which quite often in this era, when someone dies, you might get someone having a momentary reaction, but that's it. 452 00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:39.960 Well, because usually so many people are dying. 453 00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:41.099 You just don't have time. 454 00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:44.220 Whereas this, I think, we just have the 2 deaths. 455 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:51.240 We have that nameless guard, who I mentioned earlier, and everyone's horrified by that and they're screaming and what have you. 456 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.940 And then there's Sir George's death. 457 00:27:53.940 --> 00:28:02.940 And I think what's really effective about that is the fact that Will does it, but then, like, is stumbling over himself to justify what he's done. 458 00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:06.119 And the doctor has to reach out to him and say, no, look, it's okay. 459 00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:06.960 You're all right. 460 00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:17.700 Um, yeah, and that is actually, it's, it's quite effective because you get the moment of the villain dying, but you will, it's not just throwing gatherer hate off the roof and having a laugh about it. 461 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:27.839 It's a real human has done this action. and has done it for what he believes to be good and it does destroy the creature. 462 00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:30.960 But at the same time, yeah, he's still a young lad. 463 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:41.400 And he's been, he's said through all the way through the story that he's scared of fighting and the fighting's going to come here and he's seen death and he's seen a queen and the may burned at the stake. 464 00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:43.200 The toast of little Hodcombe. 465 00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:44.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 466 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.339 True Tom. 467 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.019 By the end of it. 468 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:56.819 That's Pete, you know, everyone sort of thinks Pete's sort of really bland and inoffensive, but that's probably the sort of grimest thing. 469 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 470 00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:03.720 And more and more, he's getting sort of grumpy and exasperated and running around the place. 471 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:04.859 I think he's really good in this. 472 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:06.119 We said he was good last week. 473 00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:07.980 I think that he's terrific in this. 474 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.259 I love him exasperated. 475 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.420 I think everyone knows how he feels. 476 00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:16.440 There's there's a wonderfully silly moment in this. 477 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:18.059 It's a doctor trying to sneak through the village. 478 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.980 So he tries to go through the middle of the village where everyone is gathered up and then he gets captured. 479 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:29.819 And so George says, it's a pity you've seen this display of 30 people in the middle of the village where all roads make. 480 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.920 Yeah, it's we're obviously trying to hide it. 481 00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:35.579 It's not exactly a Wicker Tegan, you know? 482 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.859 It is a Wickerman, isn't it? 483 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:42.240 I mean, you know, again, maybe that's why this story sort of feel. 484 00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:52.440 I love when Doctor Who plays homage, but not when it falls into pastige, and there just isn't enough rebooting or isn't enough heart of what we're doing here. 485 00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:54.359 Because there's some very strong weaker moment. 486 00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:59.400 I love that that Janet Fielding is Edward Woodward for this story pretty much. 487 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.759 She's playing the same part. 488 00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:05.519 I'd like to see her reboot Callen, yeah. 489 00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:07.559 Does that make... 490 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.680 Does that make Keith Jane Jenny Agatha? 491 00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:13.380 Because he does flash his chest about when he's running away. 492 00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:13.859 Yes, he does. 493 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:18.240 And we have a Python-esque moment where he falls down into long grass and then comes up again. 494 00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.819 He is so adorable in this. 495 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:23.160 And I don't I don't just mean he's cute. 496 00:30:23.220 --> 00:30:32.700 I mean, genuinely his performance is adorable and endearing and sweet, and it really puts paid to that idea that historical companions are difficult to write. 497 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.420 He's the 1st fresh, alive, real person. 498 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.420 I've seen, apart from Polly James, you know, pretty much all year. 499 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:43.619 It's just interesting that they both turn out to not be given any more continuity in the show. 500 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.819 He would have been. 501 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.440 Yeah, he's the Jamie we should have had all the time. 502 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.880 I would have found it. 503 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:48.480 Do you like it? 504 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.900 Yeah, I think that would have been tires. 505 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.299 He would have dropped it, like Fraser, did you? 506 00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.359 he would have mellowed out and perhaps even had a wash. 507 00:30:58.140 --> 00:31:05.940 Mind you, I think we do see with 80 era companions, and really, we can say JNT era companions. 508 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.859 He tended to come up with the character sketch. 509 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:16.500 They they sort of they get their character development in their 1st and last story and then in between their kind of anything. 510 00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.240 This is true, isn't it? 511 00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:20.039 They just stand about mouth, yeah. 512 00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:22.440 Do you know who I don't think? 513 00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:24.720 I think it's not true of Turlow. 514 00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:36.240 I think Turner gets vastly less to do once his trilogy is over, but he still gets to be sort of cowardly and he still gets to be unprincipled. 515 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.740 In other words, just ginger. 516 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:44.039 We've had to deal with your ginger phobia on this podcast before, Richard. 517 00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:46.259 Just wait till we get to Bonnie Langford. 518 00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:51.599 I do have to agree with you there, and I don't think it's in the script. 519 00:31:51.660 --> 00:32:01.859 I think it's in Mark's performance that, especially this season, he starts off being very cowardly, but he gets more and more reluctantly brave as the season goes on. 520 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:08.880 But he still gets devious and furtive things to do and his body language always really sells that in a terrific way. 521 00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:15.119 I think he's good. in a way that the high concept companions, as you point out, rarely are. 522 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:22.259 They're, you know, introduced and they've got this sort of big backstory and then they're being tied to railway tracks and menaced by Daleks. 523 00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:23.400 He's into math afterwards. 524 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:25.559 Maths is interesting. 525 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:27.779 She knows very little about jelly. 526 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.539 They tend to just be shaved or skimmed off characters. 527 00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:32.460 So I guess they're, yeah. 528 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:36.240 Yeah, so it might be kind of a relief that we never got. 529 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:45.960 That we never got Todd, as in Neris Hughes, um, Mariner, um, Will Chandler, Jane Ham. 530 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.000 Finnish series, yeah. 531 00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:49.799 Yeah, with thumb with... 532 00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:50.460 Yeah, yeah. 533 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:58.140 It's the 1st time Baroosa was experimenting with the time scoop and he picked them all up and, you know, pit them against each other in a battle to the death in the death. 534 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.740 That's a lovely segue to revive day poll industries. 535 00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:03.119 Action figures. 536 00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:06.059 Chandler and Hampton and Strax. 537 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:06.960 Brilliant. 538 00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:13.799 With Nicholas Briggs as the voice of the Silurians. 539 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.220 Go on, do the voice. 540 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:18.539 Do the excellent. 541 00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.420 Excellent, weird Chandler. 542 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.880 See, it was. 543 00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:26.220 It's like it's alive in your very own listening room. 544 00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:27.779 Kill it. 545 00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:29.460 Kill it now. 546 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:30.839 Set fire. 547 00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:32.279 Poor Janet. 548 00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:34.079 I don't think it's going to end well for her. do you think? 549 00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:35.220 No, she'll be fine. 550 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.859 All the relatives are keeping well away. 551 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.900 She's the Jessica Fletcher. 552 00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:44.039 Just without the cross-dressing nephews. 553 00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:46.380 Oh, I don't know. 554 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:47.700 Jeff Conaway. 555 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.000 I was thinking Colin, but that's actually a cousin, but yeah, yeah, that's true. 556 00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:55.019 Jeff, Zach Allen of Babylon 5. 557 00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:11.219 Conaway was one of Jessica Fletcher's many nephews, and in his 1st appearance, his girlfriend, who, Jessica Fletcher, find out to meet him and his girlfriend, his girlfriend thinks he's having an affair, but actually, he's performing drag in a club to save up money for the wedding. 558 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.280 Oh, that's lovely. 559 00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:16.260 To Angela Lansbury, it was a memory. 560 00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:18.960 I mean, he's no longer with us. 561 00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:21.420 He was he was an odd, oddly attractive man. 562 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.920 A bit a bit skinny. 563 00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:23.820 Terrible. 564 00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:26.039 Horrible looking. 565 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.119 It might be thin shaming. 566 00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:30.420 Terrible woman. 567 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.219 Jeff Conway. 568 00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:34.920 Are we done? 569 00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:37.920 There's a marvellous word to say about this. 570 00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:42.119 There's a lot to say. is a marvellous website called Angela Lansbury tattoos. 571 00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:43.679 I think whose side is? 572 00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:45.360 You can go on to it. just Google it. 573 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:47.880 You can go on and see people who have had Angela Lansbury tattoos. 574 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.860 We'll have I've got one now. 575 00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:52.920 Yeah, yeah, we could, yeah. we speak, yeah. 576 00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:54.659 So there is a lot to say about this story. 577 00:34:54.719 --> 00:35:02.219 Well, we'll have to send that website to friend of the podcast, Joe Ledster, who is a fan of Angela Lansbury and biceps. 578 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:03.960 He's a good writer too. 579 00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:05.039 He is a very good writer. 580 00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:06.719 Didn't write this. 581 00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:11.760 Not even Eric Pringle wrote this. 582 00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:16.440 Chips are too small. salty and unpleasant. 583 00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:20.280 They're actually worse than the awakening. 584 00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:20.699 I agree. 585 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.280 I like that they're covered in green pea vomit. 586 00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:25.739 Salty and unpleasant. 587 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:27.119 The Eric Saban story. 588 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.699 Oh, I'm not having the ship's biscuit. 589 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:33.000 Thank you. 590 00:35:33.059 --> 00:35:36.000 Yeah, no, I'll have the spam. 591 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.739 I don't know. 592 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:38.940 What would it be called? 593 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:43.199 It's all Gile would be better directed against the enemy, doctor. 594 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.000 It's all John's fault. 595 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:15.900 Well, as we deal with audience complaints from having blown up another church, we're about to be, uh, sucked down into the depths of Christopher Hamilton bid me script cupboard for Frontios next week. 596 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:23.039 Until then, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com, flight through entirety on Facebook and iTunes and at FTE podcast on Twitter. 597 00:36:23.099 --> 00:36:25.980 Please leave us reviews on iTunes. 598 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:30.539 We love to get them and I, in particular, am a whore for attention. 599 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.380 I heard that. 600 00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:40.920 Speaking of which, don't forget Doctor Who in 10 seconds, which I may update shortly on YouTube. 601 00:36:40.980 --> 00:36:48.659 Until next week, may none of you have difficulty explaining to your relatives why your aunt has been shrunk down to the size of an action man. 602 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.099 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 603 00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:50.880 Good night. 604 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:51.539 Good night. 605 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:03.420 That works, flag through entirety with Nathan Bottomley, Brendan Jones and Richard Stone. 606 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:08.579 This episode, Angela Lansbury Tattoos, was recorded on November 19, 2016. 607 00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:11.340 The next episode will be released on December 4th. 608 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:20.699 If you'd like your very own piece of Tin Klavic, just combine one part Mercury to two parts Play-Doh, wrapping cling film and make sure your health insurance is up to date. 609 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:27.000 Okay. 610 00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:30.900 Oh, Christ, I've just looked up Angela. 611 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.460 We have to do this with, yeah, they're really good, aren't they? 612 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.820 I mean, that goes on the website.