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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Flight Through Entirety

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the only Doctor Who podcast made more or less for the exclusive

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use of the people of Harcole.

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That's in the star system rifter, you know, I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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A saleable slice of English period effect charm vomiting green

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wallpaper paste from a paper mache rock face in a church crypt for

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this one.

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As usual, as usual.

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And uh, that means it's... all you need to know. the next story?

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This year's 2 part story The Awakening.

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This one's mine.

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Hurrah.

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Do you like it?

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Not at all.

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At the time, I thought, oh, lovely, shiny, Dennis still, Pretty

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Fox, this is the 80s.

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This is totes 80s kids, and we didn't even say that then.

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What did we say in the 80s?

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Pretty much that.

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Yeah, whatever it was.

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You still deal with young people?

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outrageous, truly, truly, truly outrageous.

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Is that what we said in the 80s?

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That's what Gem and the hologram said.

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I prefer the updated person that is also available on streaming

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that I don't think I can even mention on this podcast.

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In fact, I recommend you watch that before you watch the Awakening

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to get real flavour, what the 80s was all about, B. Arthur and

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cross-dressing.

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There's a lot of both of that kind of thing.

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I actually think that the face of the malice is very much a

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storgeti in the Golden Girls with the gray hair and the stony.

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Although looking a lot like Betty Whiter, she is now.

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Well, the guard who's defending Tegan, who is Joseph Willow, when

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she won't change into the dress.

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He says, he says, you change into it.

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I'll do it for you.

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Now, there's 2 ways to read that either he's being a bit rapey or

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he actually just wants to frock up and get out of these tights.

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Yeah, no, no, he wants her to look fabulous.

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Yeah, the malice is actually more about pageantry and morris stick

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self-throttling than it is wanting to take over.

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But when it wants to take over, It wants to do it in with period

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drama.

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It's the very 80s villain.

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It really is mostly about overseas sales, this monster.

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I actually think that it's doing a sort of sapphire and steel

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thing.

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You know, the issue is that there are anachronisms caused by the

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war.

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Very sapphire and steel.

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And in that the past is always buried just under the present in

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some sort of alchemic relationship and with only the writing

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incantations or the right thinking or reenactment process, you can

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bring the past and ghosts into the present.

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And I also think that like Sapphire and Steel, a lot of the

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special effects are just achieved with lighting and sound and, you

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know, a weed machine.

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And barely paid actors and barely paid actors and maybe a couple

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of asterisks on the BBC microscreens superimposed.

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Can I just say, when I was, when I was 10, those asterisks looked

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amazing. they looked amazing at least once to someone.

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You know, as a kid, it was really effective.

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And those simple lighting effects, especially in the 2nd episode

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with all the apparitions that appear in the church and so they're

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in sort of very pale blue costumes with very pale blue makeup and

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under a single spotlight.

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It's really white scary.

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We should point out to the listener at this point that Brendan

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exists outside of normal space and time.

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Yeah, that's true.

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His own B universe. in that I quite enjoy this.

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Well, you were 10 when you 1st saw this when I was 14 when I saw

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it go out for the 1st time.

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Oh yes, of course, because I, this is another one that I saw in

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the 1993 repeats season. and Nathan, you saw it when it 1st came

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out as well. at the same time as you.

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But I'd be surprised if I'd seen it very often since then.

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Maybe when I bought the DVD, I watched it again, but Did you read

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the book?

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It's Eric Pringle, isn't it?

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No.

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It is, I really know, you know, the chips.

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Yes, I know.

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He made a four. why he stopped writing, man.

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And now he's changed the size of the tin and you can't fit your

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hand in there and it's just ridiculous.

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And I have tiny hands.

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I know where this is going.

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They're orange.

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So not Brenda, just the chips.

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So this started life as a four-part outline.

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Yeah.

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Which, for once, Eric Seywood said, there's not enough plot.

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Make it 2 parts.

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It could have been quite charming as a three-parter because it has

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some nice exposition.

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Polly James.

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Paul James is one of the original liver birds with, go on, you get

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to say it.

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That's it with nearest Hughes.

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What fun, what thrill.

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And Molly Sugden played the mother. of one of them back in the

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day.

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I remember this from watching it as a child.

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Why do we not have Molly Sergton opposite Peter Davis?

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Brad, wasn't she in this?

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We've had Beryl.

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And we've had Ingrid.

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I really think she could have played a lovely malice.

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She's got the hair.

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We'll have Joan in a couple of years, for God's sake.

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Why not more Lisa?

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She actually does drama really nicely, like all comedians do.

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So, yeah, it could have worked well and she was smart and she

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would have actually known what was going on and like everyone else

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we've previously mentioned.

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Well, Jane does a terrific job, I think.

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Polly James.

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Yeah, yeah, she's good.

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No, she's lovely.

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This is another one of those stories when the doctor just seems to

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be so thrilled from getting to be able to get away from his own.

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Do you also notice since we're talking about the church cryptan?

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This is Barry Newberry's last work.

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The Doctor Who.

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Beautiful work on Marco Polo and the early days.

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Yeah, this is his last one.

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Newby's did a lot, did a lovely job on this.

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And I think it makes it very convincing.

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I think what's very sad, again, for the BBC is overreaching itself

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and it always was about going further than you can.

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The expectation wise, but the physical effects of the malice

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coming out of the, you know, the wall, the whole thing.

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It just doesn't, and everyone's standing around waiting for a

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reaction.

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It's the same thing as sea devils waddling around with a natural

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strap to their fronts.

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It's not quite as menacing as you'd imagine that to be.

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It's very funny that the monster is just part of the set.

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Maybe do you think that's an ontological thing about how Doctor

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Who is just so trapped in a television studio and it's actually

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we're being destroyed, cancerous like from the from within, by the

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set?

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Yeah, by the actual structure of the program itself.

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Can we mention people that, again, the doctor is very happy for

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the 1st time ever, that I can remember the doctor says, no, no

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it's, I won't go up.

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We won't leave the TARDS, boys and girls, it's much too

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dangerous.

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You stay in here where it's safe.

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Then the monster actually, Sutek wise, like my cat projects right

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into the console room and starts, you know, and threatens them

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with green wallpaper paste.

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He knew that was going to happen and he's really tired of both of

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them.

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And I only noticed this this time around with that malice

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apparition.

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They key it, so it's the same colour as the Tartar Walls.

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It's like it's growing out of the walls.

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Oh, I never got that.

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Yes, it is going out of the wall.

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In the same way that it grows from the stone of the creek.

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Yeah, yeah, very clever.

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It looks it looks really good.

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And that didn't come across on the screen.

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Yeah, and we've got, um, we've got 2 minutes because that's really

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all the time any of us could be bothered.

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I was just going to say with that one, I love that.

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I was just going to say that this seems like one of those grooming

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episodes, cough, cough, doctor, where you seem to be looking for

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new people to travel with.

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If Will Chandler, and Jane, Polly James, had joined the TARDIS.

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I dont think I would have shed any tears.

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Wouldn't that have been awesomeness?

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And especially her with Peter.

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They're lovely.

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They've got the same quality he had with Neris.

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And there's that wonderful bit where he sort of explains what's

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happening to her.

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And as he's about to walk out, she grabs his almonds.

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You must stop him Yes, I know.

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And we'll almost...

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Actually, what happens?

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They take Will home.

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You really think at the end of this?

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Oh, okay, he's in the next story.

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Nah, not even a minute.

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There's been a there's been a short trips story with Will, which

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yeah, sort of Tegan and Turlo stay behind with Tegan's grandad and

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the doctor and Will have an adventure.

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You think that's the, that's the short story where Andrew Verney

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says to his granddaughter.

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So, your aunt Vanessa, how's she going?

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And also the last time, who's the other relative?

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Yeah, and Colin. how's he doing now?

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Yeah, I think I think it's you, Tegan.

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I think I don't think it's us. think it's you.

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I'd like to think the Tartars chose her and that there was a whole

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way before Clara.

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There was a whole, there was a whole string of probable victims

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that the Tartars are saved by removing Tegan from her.

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Janet.

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Oh, dear.

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I was thinking about that myself.

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I like to think that his grandfather must be from the other side

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of the fanboy.

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Yeah, so maternal grandfather, isn't it?

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Yes.

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Yeah I think so.

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Well, we presume to.

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Yeah, because, wouldn't he?

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Auntie Vanessa is implied to be a paternal aunt because she says

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like, your father's farm was hardly the outback, and it sounds

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like, you know, she's talking about her brother rather than her

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brother. dresses like a babushka doll, so...

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So I think that's all we've got to say about the awakening.

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I like this story, Dan.

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Go on, why?

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It has a real filming approach to the outdoor stuff.

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It looks like an adamant video, doesn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, the 1st scene is Jane peacefully wandering around

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these stables and then horses hoops, horses, hoops, horses hoops

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peacefully wandering, horses hoops, and you think something

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terrible is going to happen, and then it's all this war game, and

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Glyn Houston shows up again.

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You know, we haven't had him in years.

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Yeah, exactly.

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We have a cliffhanger, which is, you know, it's a stupid someone

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screams doctor long enough for the theme to kick in.

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It's like a brave screen.

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She's really good.

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And, you know, unlike some other companion screams, it doesn't

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just sound like I'm screaming for a cliffhanger.

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It's, it's like, you're disappearing in a cloud of smoke to a

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giant alien mouth.

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I'm a bit scared by this.

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Even though if you step 3 feet back, you're fine.

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What's it gonna do?

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All you need to do.

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Oh, you haven't seen that tongue?

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Just put your hand in front of your face.

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Yeah, it's a bit like what Dr. Solo should have done last week

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instead of trying to karate chop the murker.

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A brisket will get you away.

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All of them, actually.

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The entire base was, you could have avoided the invaders just by

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you know, yeah.

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I think they like to think that malice tongue could wrap around

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that church 3 times over and still leave room for a tickling

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stick.

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So, yeah, you weren't that safe.

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I, you know, you said, Richard, that this story is about

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presenting us with 2 far more interesting, Patty characters, and

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the doctor then literally sends Tegan and Turlow back into a

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cupboard so he can take Will around a graveyard.

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With Chameleon in this story.

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Who's Chameleon?

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I reckon Chameleon is Joseph Willow, the...

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Is that plague face guy?

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No, he's he's the camp guy who threatens her.

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Oh, so George's boyfriend.

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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And the funny thing is I was watching this going, you know, Sir

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George is being twisted by the malice and whatnot.

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And it's like, but Willow, Willow, Willow's just a dick.

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Yeah, yeah, but we forgive him.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Within a relationship, or do you mean?

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But yeah, yes, at the end, no recriminations.

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He was arranging to burn Tegan at...

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You know we all have bad days.

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You know, I...

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I think he must run the post office or something.

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Because they're often very short-tempered people.

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No, he's got something on everyone.

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He's been reading Sir George's mail.

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He runs the telephone exchange as well.

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This is one of the few Doctor Who's that could very easily have

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been directed by Mel Brooks without any sensible dramatic change.

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I actually think you could drop this as a single episode story in

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the new series. and it would feel completely in place.

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It's not, you know, it's not blink.

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It's more Lazarus experiment, but...

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Lazarus.

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Oh, so do I. You know, it, you know, the science in it is

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bobbins.

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This is a bit bot.

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It is Doctor Who.

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Yeah, that's true.

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I will say, though, I did have another chameleon thought, which is

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when Turlo 1st sees Will and just goes, who is that?

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So you think that's...

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Will could be Chameleon.

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Why not?

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Apparently Chameleon was going to get out and wander around the

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place.

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Well, they filmed a scene.

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They committed another corridor moment.

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Yeah, pretty much...

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Mark Strickson to do the voice or something.

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Yeah, well, it was recorded and Chameleon's accent.

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Yeah.

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Chameleons accessing the computer terminal. in the TARDIS and

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Tegan says, are you sure you should be doing that?

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And he responds in the doctor's voice.

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And she says, don't do that.

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And oh, would you prefer this?

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He responds in Turlo's voice, that's even worse.

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Oh, God.

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And it's, it's the scene.

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It's the scene just before Tegan comes into the console room and

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what's wrong?

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you know, et cetera, et cetera.

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Because Chameleon says to her, oh, there's something weird

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happening with the TARDIS.

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You should go to the console room.

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You know, bug her off.

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So it was it was really just a fluffy scene to say, yeah, yeah, we

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know we still got the robot.

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Turlo's solution with everything is to bash someone with a rock

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have you noticed?

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Who does he bash with a rock?

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He bashes he bashes the people trying to get into the Tartars

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after he escapes with Andrew Verney.

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They come back to the Tartarson Willow and a bloke is trying to

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get his.

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So Turlo, Turlo whacks him on the head with a rock, just like he

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tried to kill the doctor in modern undead. first.

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There are certainly problems.

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There's a problem which started a bit in season 18 and it's

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absolutely ridiculous this season.

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Caves of Andrazani is the only story where other people don't go

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into the Tartars.

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Yeah, I hate that.

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I'm sick of that And he's constantly going.

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I mean, next week he'll be going, quick, you know, come into the

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Tartars.

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It's like, yeah, you know, it's that thing where he uses it to

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prove his innocence.

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Like in Black Or...

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Oh, God.

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I mean, that's that's that's terrible.

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But, you know, last week it was kind of understandable and Preston

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did actually have an actor's reaction.

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This week, Jane has a bit of a reaction.

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Wolsey has a bit of a reaction.

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Tegan's grandad just goes, oh, okay.

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There's about 20 people in there.

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Yeah, final scene, all just standing around in front of the camera

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all on one side of the console so that we can get them all in

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shot.

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It's really bad.

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They're boring and it's like 5 minutes from the end.

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I will say one other thing I would change about this story.

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You've got that bit where Willow and his mate have been knocked

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out and his mate wakes up and goes upstairs and gets decapitated

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by the Malice's last projection.

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It should have been Willow.

363
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Yeah.

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Because, you know...

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He'd just been nasty and unpleasant.

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He's not under any mental influence.

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It really should have been him instead of some nameless guard.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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So remind me how he defeats the Malas.

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I have a feeling that the doctor sits in the TARNIS and presses a

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whole bunch of buttons.

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Yeah, he texts the text and explodes.

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Yeah, he he, he, he texts the tech.

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I believe the explanation is that he cuts off the conduit for the

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malice to receive emotion and because the malice feeds on emotion

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that killed it.

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But it was essentially pressing a lot of buttons and then telling

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us something had happened.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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At least Joe got up in front of his arm and said, no, sacrificed

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me.

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Thou shalt not pass.

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You know, that was stupid, but it was at least someone doing

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something.

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So stupid that it was the turning point of the entire plot.

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And then Azal has like a mental feedback loop and goes, oh, we

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blow.

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Whereas here, the mala switch doesn't have a character, all it

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actually does is vomit and sort of breathe.

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It's really just your basic 15 year old fan.

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Yeah, goes...

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More fat.

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So it actually is on a matapeic for Chundering, isn't it?

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According to certain fans.

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Yeah.

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So, well, that's really all we've got to say about the awakening

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today.

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It's Michael Owen Morris's 1st gig directing Doctor Who, he boars

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a PA on Pirate Planet, which is not as rude as it sounds.

401
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Is this the point to mention that Pirate Planet is now out as a

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pre-ordering thing?

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one is excited about that.

404
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Well, he did a terrific job of City of Death, I thought.

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He did a lovely job, E. Jobby.

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Lovely jobies. on that.

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This story was also called Poltergeist. and wargain before I

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remember being called.

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So I think that we kind of know what it was reaching for. and

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where maybe it didn't get.

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Do you think they were looking at what successes we've had again

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we're talking about Doctor Who, really looking at what it, what it

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is this year and what it has been and being, I think, just a

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little bit too post-modern, self-referential, saying we had

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success with the visitation.

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Let's do that. and let's also do a bit of what, I mean, poltergeist

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and war game.

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They're really name checking what's been successful in the

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movies.

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Yeah, yeah, at the time.

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I mean, war game would have been vetoed by, did Ian Levine have

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anything to do with things now?

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Yes, yes, he did. war game given that there was the war games

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earlier on.

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Yeah, he would have just had hissy fit.

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I think the greatest tontological threat in this is actually the

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presence of Tegan Chevanka, she obviously brings destruction, ruin

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carnage and leaves ashes where she dreads in those stupid shoes.

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She's wearing the same thing from last week, so she hasn't

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changed.

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She's been through a giant mask.

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Maki cow.

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I do, at least she changes her frocks.

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I wonder if Turlo actually ever changes his knickers or indeed

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even wears any.

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Tegan does add a handbag. for this story.

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In fact, it gets naked. entire...

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Handbag.

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How the handbag got nicked is immaterial.

440
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Yeah, it's added simply so it can get nicked and so the doctor

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knows that the plague face victim.

442
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Yes, is really into lady's accessories.

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I've never seen.

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Second floor Grace Brothers.

445
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Are you being served?

446
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I've never seen Tegan with a handbag before.

447
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Oh, yes, yes, you have, as a stewardess.

448
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She had her... that's true. carry-on, but that's just the mace and

449
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the cattle prod and the knockout, you know.

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But this isn't the same handbag.

451
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This is one of the doctor's handbags that she's borrowed from

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inside the TARDIS.

453
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Yeah, it is actually interesting that, you know, since the doctor

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it could have been one of Susan's handbags. as well, you know.

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It's this little round, red number.

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But it's probably dimensionally transcendental.

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No, it was Pur to his handbag, for sure.

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We had it in the time monster.

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She gives herself a fair whack in the face with it at one point as

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well.

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Like, she sort of face palms of bitch you can't forget she's

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carrying a handbag.

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It's a strange Well, the thing is, it's entirely done so the guy

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can reach it to frame it.

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Are we playing the game of which at which point does Janet and or

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Mark decide they're they're also leaving?

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I don't think they're any stories?

468
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Well, it was it was actually all planned out from the beginning of

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the season. like during during the development of Warriors are the

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deepest when Colin and Nicola were signed on and I believe that

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Peter, Janet, and Mark's contracts.

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I think Peter's contract actually ended with the end of the

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season.

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I think Janet and Mark's contracts actually ended with Planet of

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Fire, but it was agreed they'd go earlier but still get paid.

476
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Uh-huh.

477
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So Janet was paid for Planet of Fire.

478
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Yeah, she didn't turn off.

479
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But that's why she then came into do a cameo for And Rosani.

480
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That was how the contract was honoured.

481
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But yeah, and I really haven't watched that since the 80s, so...

482
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But it was also decided to stagger the departures so each of the 3

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got something with emotional resonance.

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And, you know, I think I think that is the 3 departures are one of

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the more successful parts of the season.

486
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Yeah, no, they do.

487
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They finally get that stuff right.

488
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I actually quite like this season.

489
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Are we jumping ahead, yeah.

490
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Yeah, well, there's nothing to say about this stupid story.

491
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Well, a lovely horse.

492
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With a death wish for others because it cracked the ribs of, what

493
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not Glynn or Dennis?

494
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It, you know, it did a horrible thing too.

495
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I think they should have just covered that in green paint and had

496
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it as a murderer.

497
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Because in the studio.

498
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It's the Litchgate scene.

499
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Yeah, yeah.

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That famous scene.

501
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So if you haven't seen it, dear listener.

502
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It's on the TVD extras, yeah.

503
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They still show it.

504
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Yeah.

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Yeah, they, it was a male horse riding up.

506
00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:27.900
They put a mare on the other side of the gate so it would ride up

507
00:21:27.900 --> 00:21:30.299
to the gate and the shot.

508
00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.539
It's like the last episode of the 1st season of Kath and Kim.

509
00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:36.059
The shot.

510
00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:39.599
The shot in the episode is actually the shot from the blooper just

511
00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:42.299
cut before the horse stops at the gate for a moment.

512
00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:44.339
Everyone jumps down and starts going through the gate and then the

513
00:21:44.339 --> 00:21:47.519
horse continues through the gate and demolishes it.

514
00:21:47.579 --> 00:21:50.819
Thankfully, I believe the gate was a set piece set up by the BBC.

515
00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:52.799
It wasn't real.

516
00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.940
So it doesn't matter in a way that it was destroyed.

517
00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:58.140
That already filmed everything with it.

518
00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:02.339
But yeah, that's a famous Doctor Who blooper, along with Sylvester

519
00:22:02.339 --> 00:22:04.859
McCoy not being able to get a single line out in that scene of

520
00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:07.740
Delta and the Bannerman, which is again on the DVD.

521
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:09.180
Look forward to that one.

522
00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:13.559
So, and that one with Bonnie Langford swearing her head off.

523
00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:17.279
Oh, that's, that still makes my eardrums peel to this day.

524
00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:18.059
That's really shocking.

525
00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:20.160
That was just when she sees my cosplay.

526
00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:24.900
So, okay, you guys have asked me why I like the story.

527
00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:25.859
Why don't you like it?

528
00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:28.140
What story are we talking about again?

529
00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:28.980
The Awakening.

530
00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:29.460
Okay.

531
00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:30.779
Um...

532
00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:33.660
That's too, personally, it's too much of a pastiche of everything

533
00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:34.859
else with nothing fresh.

534
00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.980
I do like the supporting actors and I think there's there's a

535
00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:38.519
great do.

536
00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:43.259
It looks lovely, and there's a lot of good performance work in

537
00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:46.440
this, and people are obviously enjoying themselves, let down by

538
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:49.680
the effects let down by, I think, just think the oversimplicity of

539
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.440
a pretty hackneyed plot and script that doesn't really do

540
00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:52.619
anything.

541
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:54.839
It's really just really forgettable.

542
00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:59.039
You know, there's really like, there's nothing particularly

543
00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:00.000
memorable about it.

544
00:23:00.059 --> 00:23:02.640
The marlis isn't that well realised.

545
00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:06.240
The plot is really, really badly resolved.

546
00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:10.259
As I said before, you know, pressing the kill the mala switch on

547
00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:12.420
the TARDIS console is how we resolve it.

548
00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:16.259
And it doesn't really have any memorable visuals.

549
00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:20.519
It does mention a pteraleptyl, but it doesn't have a pteraleptyl

550
00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:20.880
in it.

551
00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:25.079
You know, I just, it doesn't, so that always gets a minus score

552
00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:25.920
from you, doesn't it?

553
00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:30.059
Yeah, except for the actual visitation, which gets a massive minor

554
00:23:30.059 --> 00:23:31.319
scores for having terror left.

555
00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:35.940
Yeah, no, I just think there's really just nothing much going on

556
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:36.420
here.

557
00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:40.799
And I'm almost certain that watching it for the podcast was the

558
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:43.259
1st time I've watched it since buying the DVD.

559
00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:46.559
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I got home and discovered that

560
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:49.380
the DVD was still shrink wrapped because I was watching a

561
00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:51.420
electronic version.

562
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:53.519
I may never have opened the DVD.

563
00:23:53.579 --> 00:23:56.579
Well, have you opened the Gunfighters DVD?

564
00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:58.920
Yeah, then you would have opened this one because it came in a

565
00:23:58.920 --> 00:23:59.640
box.

566
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.160
Set with the gunfighters for no readily.

567
00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:04.920
Yeah, it's like 2 stories that no one very much cares about.

568
00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:07.140
That's actually how it was described.

569
00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:12.299
Yeah, the box set was called Earth story. story. what's that

570
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:16.380
Because much like Peladin Tales, these are the only 2 Doctor Who

571
00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:17.460
stories set on Earth.

572
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:19.200
Okay.

573
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:22.859
No, well, that makes sense. literally.

574
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:28.259
Nothing they have in common beyond that. call it floor sweepings

575
00:24:28.259 --> 00:24:31.259
except the gunfighters is really good.

576
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:33.900
It really is.

577
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.720
Yeah, they might as well have paired the gunfighters up with

578
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.599
enlightenment because it got Linda Baron in it.

579
00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:41.519
Linda Baron's story.

580
00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:43.079
That would be a thing.

581
00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:44.759
Actually, I do.

582
00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:45.900
So we'll be getting her for a convention.

583
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:50.339
Actually, a lot of the stories this year have either been released

584
00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:53.640
or re-released in box sets. like Warriors of the Deep was in the

585
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:54.599
beneath the surface set.

586
00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:56.700
This was in Earth story.

587
00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:01.259
Resurrection of the Daleks and Caves of Andrazani were both re

588
00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:02.940
released in revisitations packs.

589
00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:06.240
And Planet of Fire was released in the Chameleon Tales box.

590
00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:10.559
So the only story is to get individual releases this season with

591
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.960
full-blown special features and everything.

592
00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:15.119
Um, Frontios.

593
00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:17.579
And twin dilemma.

594
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:20.519
Resurrection and Caves did have individual releases, but they were

595
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:22.440
early on not as many special features, et cetera.

596
00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:26.339
That's true. got the early on version. stamped by Janet herself.

597
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.480
This is riveting this stuff about DVD. much more exciting than

598
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:31.740
much on the show, isn't it?

599
00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:36.839
This is the kind of proper hardcore trivia that the FDA audience

600
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:37.740
come to us for.

601
00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:41.160
Well, I kind of wanted this to be in a box set.

602
00:25:41.220 --> 00:25:45.240
Like when beneath the surface came out and it was the 1st box set

603
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:46.920
of non-contiguous stories.

604
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.880
People were suggesting, well, hold on.

605
00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:53.940
Why not put Black Orchid, Kings, Demons, and the Awakening in a

606
00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:57.720
box set and have like 3 Davis...

607
00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.880
Terrible historical adventures.

608
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:05.940
This is our last 2 parter of the Davidson era, and we've had 2 in

609
00:26:05.940 --> 00:26:07.200
the lead up to it.

610
00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:10.319
I'm not counting Resurrection of the Dots as a two-party.

611
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.579
Yeah, yeah, that kind of is.

612
00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:15.480
And none of them have been particularly successful, have they?

613
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:19.680
I think, I think this is the most successful, but even, even I

614
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.680
agree, the ending of this is rushed and it's rushed down, just

615
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.019
down to push the buttons, Max.

616
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:27.900
We've had that often before though, haven't we?

617
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.839
King's Demons has probably the most desultory ending of any

618
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:31.380
story.

619
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:33.359
Yeah, I said it.

620
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:37.079
I said at the time, King's Demon's ending feels like a part 2

621
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:37.859
cliffhanger.

622
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.539
We should have part three.

623
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:43.559
I agree that this could have actually been just expanded a little

624
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:46.559
bit and made into a three-parter because we get that bit where

625
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:50.819
Will Crash tackles Dennis Lil into the malice anyway.

626
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.759
And it's like, well, why couldn't that have just been the thing

627
00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:54.839
that killed the malice?

628
00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:56.339
You know, its focus is gone.

629
00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:00.900
And really, if you're pushing its focus into itself.

630
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.720
That, you know, you can easily say, well, that creates a feedback

631
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.839
because now he's terrified, but he's terrified within the terror

632
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:08.039
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

633
00:27:08.099 --> 00:27:11.279
And yeah, it's still a bit of word peril, but it's not just the

634
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:13.200
doctor going, oh, flicker switch. it's dying now.

635
00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:15.180
No, it's an action, though. do you know what I mean?

636
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.319
It is a quiet word peril.

637
00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:20.339
You'd have to kind of sell it, but at least someone's performing a

638
00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:22.140
positive action that means something.

639
00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:23.039
Yeah.

640
00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:27.779
And I will also say in this story, the death that occurs and the

641
00:27:27.779 --> 00:27:32.640
violence that occurs is actually commented upon, which quite often

642
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.700
in this era, when someone dies, you might get someone having a

643
00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:37.319
momentary reaction, but that's it.

644
00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:39.960
Well, because usually so many people are dying.

645
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:41.099
You just don't have time.

646
00:27:41.220 --> 00:27:44.220
Whereas this, I think, we just have the 2 deaths.

647
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.240
We have that nameless guard, who I mentioned earlier, and

648
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.059
everyone's horrified by that and they're screaming and what have

649
00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:51.240
you.

650
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.940
And then there's Sir George's death.

651
00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:57.660
And I think what's really effective about that is the fact that

652
00:27:57.660 --> 00:28:02.220
Will does it, but then, like, is stumbling over himself to justify

653
00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:02.940
what he's done.

654
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.940
And the doctor has to reach out to him and say, no, look, it's

655
00:28:05.940 --> 00:28:06.119
okay.

656
00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:06.960
You're all right.

657
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:11.519
Um, yeah, and that is actually, it's, it's quite effective because

658
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.220
you get the moment of the villain dying, but you will, it's not

659
00:28:14.220 --> 00:28:17.519
just throwing gatherer hate off the roof and having a laugh about

660
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:17.700
it.

661
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:23.640
It's a real human has done this action. and has done it for what

662
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:27.839
he believes to be good and it does destroy the creature.

663
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:30.960
But at the same time, yeah, he's still a young lad.

664
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:35.640
And he's been, he's said through all the way through the story

665
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.039
that he's scared of fighting and the fighting's going to come here

666
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:41.099
and he's seen death and he's seen a queen and the may burned at

667
00:28:41.099 --> 00:28:41.400
the stake.

668
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:43.200
The toast of little Hodcombe.

669
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:44.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

670
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.339
True Tom.

671
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.019
By the end of it.

672
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.859
That's Pete, you know, everyone sort of thinks Pete's sort of

673
00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:55.980
really bland and inoffensive, but that's probably the sort of

674
00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:56.819
grimest thing.

675
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

676
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:02.279
And more and more, he's getting sort of grumpy and exasperated and

677
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:03.720
running around the place.

678
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:04.859
I think he's really good in this.

679
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:06.119
We said he was good last week.

680
00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:07.980
I think that he's terrific in this.

681
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.259
I love him exasperated.

682
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.420
I think everyone knows how he feels.

683
00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:16.440
There's there's a wonderfully silly moment in this.

684
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:18.059
It's a doctor trying to sneak through the village.

685
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.640
So he tries to go through the middle of the village where everyone

686
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.980
is gathered up and then he gets captured.

687
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.519
And so George says, it's a pity you've seen this display of 30

688
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.819
people in the middle of the village where all roads make.

689
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.920
Yeah, it's we're obviously trying to hide it.

690
00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:35.579
It's not exactly a Wicker Tegan, you know?

691
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.859
It is a Wickerman, isn't it?

692
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.880
I mean, you know, again, maybe that's why this story sort of

693
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:42.240
feel.

694
00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:47.039
I love when Doctor Who plays homage, but not when it falls into

695
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:51.059
pastige, and there just isn't enough rebooting or isn't enough

696
00:29:51.059 --> 00:29:52.440
heart of what we're doing here.

697
00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:54.359
Because there's some very strong weaker moment.

698
00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:58.259
I love that that Janet Fielding is Edward Woodward for this story

699
00:29:58.259 --> 00:29:59.400
pretty much.

700
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.759
She's playing the same part.

701
00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:05.519
I'd like to see her reboot Callen, yeah.

702
00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:07.559
Does that make...

703
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.680
Does that make Keith Jane Jenny Agatha?

704
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:13.380
Because he does flash his chest about when he's running away.

705
00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:13.859
Yes, he does.

706
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.740
And we have a Python-esque moment where he falls down into long

707
00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:18.240
grass and then comes up again.

708
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.819
He is so adorable in this.

709
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:23.160
And I don't I don't just mean he's cute.

710
00:30:23.220 --> 00:30:27.299
I mean, genuinely his performance is adorable and endearing and

711
00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:31.259
sweet, and it really puts paid to that idea that historical

712
00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:32.700
companions are difficult to write.

713
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.420
He's the 1st fresh, alive, real person.

714
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.000
I've seen, apart from Polly James, you know, pretty much all

715
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:39.420
year.

716
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.299
It's just interesting that they both turn out to not be given any

717
00:30:42.299 --> 00:30:43.619
more continuity in the show.

718
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.819
He would have been.

719
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.440
Yeah, he's the Jamie we should have had all the time.

720
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.880
I would have found it.

721
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:48.480
Do you like it?

722
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.900
Yeah, I think that would have been tires.

723
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.299
He would have dropped it, like Fraser, did you?

724
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.359
he would have mellowed out and perhaps even had a wash.

725
00:30:58.140 --> 00:31:04.019
Mind you, I think we do see with 80 era companions, and really, we

726
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:05.940
can say JNT era companions.

727
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.859
He tended to come up with the character sketch.

728
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.720
They they sort of they get their character development in their

729
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.500
1st and last story and then in between their kind of anything.

730
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.240
This is true, isn't it?

731
00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:20.039
They just stand about mouth, yeah.

732
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:22.440
Do you know who I don't think?

733
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:24.720
I think it's not true of Turlow.

734
00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:30.720
I think Turner gets vastly less to do once his trilogy is over, but

735
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.960
he still gets to be sort of cowardly and he still gets to be

736
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.240
unprincipled.

737
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.740
In other words, just ginger.

738
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:43.559
We've had to deal with your ginger phobia on this podcast before

739
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:44.039
Richard.

740
00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:46.259
Just wait till we get to Bonnie Langford.

741
00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:51.240
I do have to agree with you there, and I don't think it's in the

742
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:51.599
script.

743
00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:55.799
I think it's in Mark's performance that, especially this season, he

744
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.039
starts off being very cowardly, but he gets more and more

745
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.859
reluctantly brave as the season goes on.

746
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.880
But he still gets devious and furtive things to do and his body

747
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.880
language always really sells that in a terrific way.

748
00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:13.920
I think he's good. in a way that the high concept companions, as

749
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:15.119
you point out, rarely are.

750
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.400
They're, you know, introduced and they've got this sort of big

751
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.759
backstory and then they're being tied to railway tracks and

752
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.259
menaced by Daleks.

753
00:32:22.259 --> 00:32:23.400
He's into math afterwards.

754
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:25.559
Maths is interesting.

755
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:27.779
She knows very little about jelly.

756
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.539
They tend to just be shaved or skimmed off characters.

757
00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:32.460
So I guess they're, yeah.

758
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:36.240
Yeah, so it might be kind of a relief that we never got.

759
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:43.440
That we never got Todd, as in Neris Hughes, um, Mariner, um, Will

760
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.960
Chandler, Jane Ham.

761
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.000
Finnish series, yeah.

762
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:49.799
Yeah, with thumb with...

763
00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:50.460
Yeah, yeah.

764
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.339
It's the 1st time Baroosa was experimenting with the time scoop

765
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:56.220
and he picked them all up and, you know, pit them against each

766
00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:58.140
other in a battle to the death in the death.

767
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.740
That's a lovely segue to revive day poll industries.

768
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:03.119
Action figures.

769
00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:06.059
Chandler and Hampton and Strax.

770
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:06.960
Brilliant.

771
00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:13.799
With Nicholas Briggs as the voice of the Silurians.

772
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.220
Go on, do the voice.

773
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:18.539
Do the excellent.

774
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.420
Excellent, weird Chandler.

775
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.880
See, it was.

776
00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:26.220
It's like it's alive in your very own listening room.

777
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:27.779
Kill it.

778
00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:29.460
Kill it now.

779
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:30.839
Set fire.

780
00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:32.279
Poor Janet.

781
00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:34.079
I don't think it's going to end well for her. do you think?

782
00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:35.220
No, she'll be fine.

783
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.859
All the relatives are keeping well away.

784
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.900
She's the Jessica Fletcher.

785
00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:44.039
Just without the cross-dressing nephews.

786
00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:46.380
Oh, I don't know.

787
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:47.700
Jeff Conaway.

788
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.640
I was thinking Colin, but that's actually a cousin, but yeah, yeah

789
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:51.000
that's true.

790
00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:55.019
Jeff, Zach Allen of Babylon 5.

791
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.220
Conaway was one of Jessica Fletcher's many nephews, and in his 1st

792
00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:04.440
appearance, his girlfriend, who, Jessica Fletcher, find out to

793
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.779
meet him and his girlfriend, his girlfriend thinks he's having an

794
00:34:06.779 --> 00:34:10.619
affair, but actually, he's performing drag in a club to save up

795
00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:11.219
money for the wedding.

796
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.280
Oh, that's lovely.

797
00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:16.260
To Angela Lansbury, it was a memory.

798
00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:18.960
I mean, he's no longer with us.

799
00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:21.420
He was he was an odd, oddly attractive man.

800
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.920
A bit a bit skinny.

801
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:23.820
Terrible.

802
00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:26.039
Horrible looking.

803
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.119
It might be thin shaming.

804
00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:30.420
Terrible woman.

805
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.219
Jeff Conway.

806
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:34.920
Are we done?

807
00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:37.920
There's a marvellous word to say about this.

808
00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:40.260
There's a lot to say. is a marvellous website called Angela

809
00:34:40.260 --> 00:34:42.119
Lansbury tattoos.

810
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:43.679
I think whose side is?

811
00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:45.360
You can go on to it. just Google it.

812
00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:47.460
You can go on and see people who have had Angela Lansbury

813
00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:47.880
tattoos.

814
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.860
We'll have I've got one now.

815
00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:52.920
Yeah, yeah, we could, yeah. we speak, yeah.

816
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:54.659
So there is a lot to say about this story.

817
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.739
Well, we'll have to send that website to friend of the podcast, Joe

818
00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:02.219
Ledster, who is a fan of Angela Lansbury and biceps.

819
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:03.960
He's a good writer too.

820
00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:05.039
He is a very good writer.

821
00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:06.719
Didn't write this.

822
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:11.760
Not even Eric Pringle wrote this.

823
00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:16.440
Chips are too small. salty and unpleasant.

824
00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:20.280
They're actually worse than the awakening.

825
00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:20.699
I agree.

826
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.280
I like that they're covered in green pea vomit.

827
00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:25.739
Salty and unpleasant.

828
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:27.119
The Eric Saban story.

829
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.699
Oh, I'm not having the ship's biscuit.

830
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:33.000
Thank you.

831
00:35:33.059 --> 00:35:36.000
Yeah, no, I'll have the spam.

832
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.739
I don't know.

833
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:38.940
What would it be called?

834
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:43.199
It's all Gile would be better directed against the enemy, doctor.

835
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.000
It's all John's fault.

836
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.219
Well, as we deal with audience complaints from having blown up

837
00:36:08.219 --> 00:36:12.300
another church, we're about to be, uh, sucked down into the depths

838
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:15.659
of Christopher Hamilton bid me script cupboard for Frontios next

839
00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:15.900
week.

840
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.260
Until then, you can find us online at flightthroughentirety.com

841
00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:22.380
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842
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:23.039
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843
00:36:23.099 --> 00:36:25.980
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844
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:30.119
We love to get them and I, in particular, am a whore for

845
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:30.539
attention.

846
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.380
I heard that.

847
00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:39.599
Speaking of which, don't forget Doctor Who in 10 seconds, which I

848
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:40.920
may update shortly on YouTube.

849
00:36:40.980 --> 00:36:45.059
Until next week, may none of you have difficulty explaining to

850
00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:48.059
your relatives why your aunt has been shrunk down to the size of

851
00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:48.659
an action man.

852
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.099
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

853
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:50.880
Good night.

854
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:51.539
Good night.

855
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.739
That works, flag through entirety with Nathan Bottomley, Brendan

856
00:37:01.739 --> 00:37:03.420
Jones and Richard Stone.

857
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:08.039
This episode, Angela Lansbury Tattoos, was recorded on November 19

858
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:08.579
2016.

859
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:11.340
The next episode will be released on December 4th.

860
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:15.539
If you'd like your very own piece of Tin Klavic, just combine one

861
00:37:15.539 --> 00:37:19.079
part Mercury to two parts Play-Doh, wrapping cling film and make

862
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:20.699
sure your health insurance is up to date.

863
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:27.000
Okay.

864
00:37:27.059 --> 00:37:30.900
Oh, Christ, I've just looked up Angela.

865
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.460
We have to do this with, yeah, they're really good, aren't they?

866
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.820
I mean, that goes on the website.